May 29, 2025 • 37 mins
Birmingham, Alabama, has experienced a killing spree unlike any before.
In the April 16 episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack covered alleged mass killer, serial killer, and hitman Damian McDaniel, who had been charged with 14 murders in 14 months. McDaniel has now been charged with four more homicides, bringing the total to 18 in 14 months.
In this update episode, Morgan and Mack discuss the timeline of events, the difference between a mass shooting and a serial killer, and the accusation that McDaniel was also a hired hitman. Joe also explains what must happen at each crime scene—even when the scene includes double-digit victims
Transcribe Highlights
00:00.53 Introduction
02:33.65 Damian McDaniel charged with 4 more homicides
05:03.41 McDaniel is suspected of Serial killings as well as Mass killing
10:17.73 McDaniel is also accused of being a Hired "Hitman"
15:00.71 Additional charges for McDaniel - and possible partner in crime
20:36.12 Question about weapon or weapons used
25:25.57 Going down the list victims and locations
30:19.08 Second Mass shooting - McDaniel a suspect in shooting
35:07.54 Investigators are drowning in data
37:14.04 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bodybags, but Joseph's gotten more. I gotta tell you, I
really did not think I was going to be coming
back to this case this soon. And for further reference,
I direct you to our April sixteenth episode of Body
Backs for the initial the initial conversation that we had
(00:26):
about the topic at hand. The reason that I did
not think I would be returning to this topic was
because we had a unique from a crumb Son standpoint,
a unique event happened in Birmingham. We wound up having
(00:47):
a serial killer, slash mass shooter. I've never heard of
this before. It just popped onto my radar. We had
fourteen people that well, my friends, there's an update, and
I aim to give it to you right now, and
(01:09):
you're not going to believe it. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,
and this is Bodybacks. Damon McDaniel. We've already spent quite
a bit of time talking about this person and Dave,
(01:31):
by my count, at that time, he was responsible for
fourteen homicides that could be laid at his feet, along
with a myriad of other crimes involving people that were
injured as a result of his shooting spreeze. And today
(01:55):
I don't know. I can't remember. My day's all run together.
I can't remember what day it was, but I sent
you an article maybe three days ago, four days ago.
He's I hate to use the word credited, but he
has now been credited with four more homicides. Dave, is
(02:17):
this going to end? Can you give me some hope
here that there's not going to be more. I have
to think that this person is responsible for a goodly
percentage of Birmingham's homicides. If he was not in the population,
Birmingham's homicide body count would not be as high as
(02:39):
it is. And when I say, you know, there's a
term you use in statistics when you're studying them in
college and that sort of thing, and it's called when
you talk about something an anomaly or of finding that
you have during research, you say that it's statistically significant.
This is statistically significant when taking the broad view of Birmingham,
(03:01):
Alabama and the homicides that they have in that fair city.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
But you got to figure that the reason we did
the show a month ago was because Damian McDaniel was
responsible for fourteen murders in fourteen months, allegedly, and we
hadn't heard anything about it outside of our area. And
since both of you, you and I both work on
national shows on a regular basis, it's odd that a
(03:27):
story like this doesn't gain some traction somewhere. We have
a number of cases of deaths around Lady Bird Lake
in Austin, Texas, and we've done shows on that. But
this there was fourteen and fourteen months and now four
weeks after, we're doing a show because four new victims
(03:50):
have been added to the count for Damian McDaniel, and
in one end, sadly, yeah, sadly, one is an unborn child,
Angelia Webster, Christian Norris and the couple's unborn child and
another man named Reginald Bryant have been added to the
list of alleged victims of Damian McDaniel. Sadly, I don't
(04:14):
think we're going to even stop there, Joe. I think
there's more.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. You know, I
guess you when you begin to kind of explore this
idea of this mismatch and listen, I urge anybody to
reach out to me if they've ever heard of a
(04:38):
combo like this, because I haven't. I have not come
across a combo where you've got serialized homicides and that
means that they take place on different dates. First off,
you have to have I think it's three or more
to qualify to be a serial killer. Our man hits
(05:00):
the jackpot because now he stands at eighteen and in
concert with that, he's been involved in mass shootings. It's
a real head scratcher, you know. I would I'd love
to know what you know from the Behavioral Sciences Unit
(05:23):
at the FBI. I'd love to know if they've studied
anything like this before, you know, and I would imagine
that it has happened. It's not something that happens on
Serial killing is not something that happens on a regular basis.
I know everybody thinks that it does. But the reason
it splash is so big is because they're not caught
(05:44):
as often as people think they are. But in this case,
I think that the police, the investigators have done Yeoman's
work in kind of connecting the dots with him movements
and the movements of I think he's got colleagues that
are involved in this as well that have Yeah, colleagues.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Right that kind of hit that that hit me the
wrong way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So yeah, Wow, Well, compatriots, I don't know. I don't
know fellow desperadoes. I don't know how we could how
we could class for it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I just try to figure out.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
You have mass killers and you have serial killers, and
then you have other homicides. But when I look at
this Joe and it's just me, I think of a
mass killer as somebody who comes into a specific area
and shoots up the joint or kills a number of
people in a very short window and leaves or takes
(06:43):
their own life, whereas a serial killer is somebody who
is hunting and can take several years, as we've seen
in many cases where they change up the mo even
you know, they kill one way for a while and
then go away and come back and do it differently.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, they could. There's there's some there's some indication out
there that there's some people think that there's an attempt
to I don't know too behave the way another previous
serial killer has this kind of masking that goes on,
(07:21):
And I don't think that these people can really extend
that far out to change their ways. They get very
comfortable with it. Oh and by the way, I want
to tell you this, I'm going to throw something out
to you here that you may not have heard this
term before, and it might apply to this guy. I
used the word comfortable just a second ago. Did you
know that there are within there's multiple different type typologies
(07:46):
of serial killers. Okay, the biggest dividing line is that
they use okay, is going to be organized versus disorganized.
And then it kind of drops down, you know, from
there and kind of a pyramid shape, and you know,
you've got these little lines there extending maybe think of
I don't know, if pyramid doesn't work for you, think
(08:06):
of a Venn diagram. Here, here's the term comfort killer.
Comfort killer. The reason I'm saying that these are people
that have a financial motivation. So you can take somebody
that is like a professional hit man, all right, I'm
(08:30):
thinking about the fellow they just called him the Iceman
that there's been several documentaries done on him that killed
multiple people, alleged that he had killed I think he
even alleged that he had something to do with Haffa.
Who knows. But he got paid for doing what he
(08:50):
was doing and led a normal life. I mean, he
take his family to church every Sunday. You know, he
was a doting father, but on the side he's out,
you know, ending people's lives. So is this an example,
a subcategory example of a comfort killer who is who
(09:13):
is receiving payment for what he's doing. And that was
actually in our previous episode we had talked about this
that if you think you if you think you hated
the term colleague, let me throw this out to you
that his services were engaged by somebody out there that's
(09:33):
pulling the strings on this. And I have to assume
that the police know who this person is because if
this individual, this damon McDaniel, is being paid to end
people's lives as horrific as what he has done, If
(09:54):
he is being paid to do this, day you realize
that the person doing the pain is the one that
might wind up with what do we use in Alabama
now the nitrogen mask over their head. In this particular case,
you say, the needle in the arm, or is going
to be sitting in the chair to have the switch thrown.
(10:16):
That person might bear more responsibility than anybody else in
this because I can't you know, I can't think of
anybody what would be the motivation, you know, behind doing
this and ending so many lives in such a bold fashion.
It's not like he did it in a vacuum. You know.
(10:38):
You think back to you know, bt K, who was
highly organized, highly organized serial killer, and he really took
his time. He was a true hunter, and he would
case the houses. He would you know, watch the movements
of individuals. He would follow them, and he would wait
(10:59):
and spring at the last moment, uh, you know. And
that's generally one of the main things that I think
I was kind of a template. I'm sorry to meet Stepheny, would.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You say, no, he I just when I think of BTK,
I think of him being the average guy, you know,
has a position in the church, is well thought of
in the community.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
His own family doesn't know who he is.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I've seen interviews with his daughter and it was just,
wait a minute, my whole life was a lie, you know.
And you know you mentioned him and the planning and
the serialized killing and then him communicating with cops and
making it a game. It was almost a lifestyle choice
for him to be this kind of a serial killer.
Whereas with McDaniel and Birmingham we're looking at on the
(11:45):
one hand, you have a hired hitman. You know, you
give him a whatever money. I don't know what it
costs to have somebody killed. Usually you get caught because
the guy who got paid. When he gets got he
rolls over on you. And since you're the one that instigated,
they're going to get you two. But he was that guy.
But then we've also got him in a mass killing,
wasn't there's two?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think yes, we two make social gatherings.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, where he's just gonna off handedly.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Maybe there was one original target, but everybody else was
collateral damage.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And these are actual people's lives. These are people who.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Have moms, dad's children. I mean, they're living, breathing human beings.
This person decides to take money and get rid of them.
And the fact that he got away with it for
as long as he did, and now that he's behind bars, Joe,
they're able to you mentioned this before, you said, now
that he is behind bars, they're going to be able
(12:38):
to take their time investigating some of these other crimes
that he has suspected of being involved in.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's how you came up with Think about it, Norris
and Webster, Angelia Webster and Christian Norris. You're talking about
a couple, an unborn child, and the last team, I'm
they're scene alive.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It's on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They actually left a residence in Insley, which is if
you're driving through Birmingham, it's just right past the spaghetti junction,
you know. Yeah, and it's on the west side of town. Yeah,
And having driven in that area, I know this area.
I'm picturing it in my eyes, you know, I'm picturing
where they were. And they're going to go to the movies.
Right on their way to a movie theater, Joe, a
(13:25):
couple expecting a child go to the movies and they
don't come home two days later the round.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, and they're they're in their car and people were
looking for them. Dave, I got to ask you this,
how many how many times on Valentine's Day did you
and Lendonna go out for a meal, you know, just
to celebrate just the two of you, when you didn't
have kids hanging all over you. I mean there had
to have been moments like no, because I remember with
(13:55):
with Kimmy, you know, we we we would go out,
we'd always make it a point to go out on
Valentine's And here you're celebrating that's the thing about this.
You're celebrating new life here, all right, she's pregnant. She's pregnant,
all right, and this guy walks up on the car
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we are assuming and blast away. What could these two
twenty year olds have done that they deserved the death penalty? Dave,
(14:41):
you know you mentioned, you mentioned this young couple that
we're out going to a movie on Valentine's Day and
they run in to a buzzsaw essentially just ends their
life and the life of their unborn child. There's one
more individual that is that he Damon McDaniel has now
(15:05):
been charged with What do we know about that subject
at this point in tom We.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Know that one thing about McDaniel is that some of
the murders he's tied to, he had a compatriot, He
had somebody with him who was also involved in the murder,
and meaning he wasn't the sole killer. And there are
(15:33):
more people arrested. There's already a couple of the previous cases.
And in the murder of Reginald Bryant, he was killed
in the fall of twenty twenty three, who signs shot
to death in the back of a home and that
was in I'm trying to get the exactly is November
(15:53):
twenty seventh of twenty twenty three, and the police said
at the time, Joe, that it appeared that Bryant had
been targeted and approached by several suspects prior to the shooting,
and one or more of the suspects fired shots at him.
That's why when I said Damien Maxwell, actually, I mean
(16:16):
McDaniel actually has other people, you know, involved in some
of his murders. Lorenzo Wiley was charged with this as well.
He's a thirty year old guy from Fairfield. Both are
in custody. Obviously we know McDaniel is, but Wiley's in
jail two right now. And I don't know why Reginald
(16:36):
Bryant was in the radar of so many bad guys.
I mean, Joe, this sounds like something out of a movie. Okay,
this sounds like you've got to detectives downtown and we
got a murder and we got twenty different people that
showed up to shoot him, and who did I mean,
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, yeah, it is. It's absolutely nuts. And you know,
we have to go back all the way to the
first when when was when was this individual Bryant. When
was he killed was November because it was just back
in July of twenty twenty three, where uh, you know,
(17:17):
McDaniel pops onto the radar where out of all the
people in the world, he walks into a fire station, Dave, Yeah,
and shoots the place up, shoots one firefighter that survives.
He's been shot in the chest and the legs. But
you've got this other young man who's just come off
(17:38):
of probation and I don't mean probation like in a
negative way. He just graduates from fire academy. It had
only been a firefighter for a total of a year
and that includes his training. Nice guy. It's like, you know,
if you go if you walk up to a firehouse
and you start shooting people, it's like, I don't know,
(17:59):
it's like tearing the head off of flowers or you know,
it's it's the most it's the most disturbing thing in
that sense that what, what's your point here? Why why
in the world would you do this? Because there's no
justification for killing anybody. But you know, these two guys,
and we all know how hot it is in Birmingham.
(18:19):
They would leave those bay doors open and sit there,
and they're big claim to fame there at this particular station.
They've got a lot of elderly people that live around there.
They would come in and get their sugar checked, if
they were diabetic, they'd get blood pressures taken, and they
probably just come by and just chat with these with
these folks, they're part of the neighborhood. What would be
(18:40):
what would be the motivation for anybody to walk in
and want to to kill to kill two firefighters? And
that's how he starts out apparently, But I'm starting to
question everything at this point in time. I don't know
if they were the first two now, you know, for
all I know, there may be other people that pre
(19:01):
date that July event. I don't know. I don't have
any inside information. But now we've got another one that
had popped up with this gentleman that was shot in November, right,
November decent, November twenty twenty of twenty twenty three, and
he w wasn't on the radar initially. So how far
back does this go? You know, the further back we
(19:23):
go with this thing, the more complex it gets. Because
you know, initially, when you have events like this that
happened and you're trying to establish a timeline you don't have,
you don't have the thirty thousand foot altitude view. At
that point time, you're focused right there, in real time
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on the case that you have where you've got these
individuals at a firehouse that are shot and eventually died
at a hospital. I don't you know, it's hard, it's
really hard to kind of understand it from that perspective.
But once this starts to kick off and they start
having these random shootings, you begin to think, well, maybe
(20:04):
these aren't as random as they could have been. One
thing that's kind of fascinating about this again, there's so
much that is but to that point, if he has
other I'll use term compadres that are involved with him
(20:25):
in doing this, Dave, I wonder how many weapons are involved,
because you know, with serialized events, it's rare that the
serial killer strays very far from what they are very
familiar with, Like if they're going to use a ligature,
if they're going to use a knife, if they're going
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to use a hammer, for instance, there's been people who
have been bludgeoned to death by serial killers, or if
they're going to use a gun, you know, well, first off,
does he own that gun? Have they found the gun?
And even if they have, if you've got multiple other shooters,
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have they recovered any of those weapons as well? This
is going to be so complex to try to understand
the forensics in this case because of all of the
gunshot womens that are involved in this. And it's not
just the dead. I have actually been to the hospital
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to retrieve projectiles that were actually retrieved during surgery on
individuals that eventually died. We actually had a kind of
a famous case in Atlanta where we had an individual
that was shot multiple times and the surgeon extracted to
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projectiles out of the body, had them thrown away and incinerated,
didn't retain them, and so there was an extensive amount
of training that went on in the wake of that. Also,
you know, you have to retain the clothes. So everything
in here is so complex. You've got people that are
going to hospitals, they have evidence on their bodies, they
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have bullets, projectiles that have been taken out of their bodies.
You have clothing for instance, which many times when they're
trying to save lives, Dave, they're just cutting it off
and kind of throwing it on the ground. It's blood saturated,
but still something that we can use because with the
clothing you can determine range of fire. You know, if
you're getting a story about what his activities were, say
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for instance, around or in one of these clubs, how
close was he when he was firing the weapon or
how close were these other individuals that are involved with him.
And so this kicks us up to a level that
I dare say that in their many years of working
(23:02):
homicides in Birmingham, Alabama, I don't know that they've ever
come across something that is that extensive and this complex.
(23:27):
So what we do know about McDaniel that those things
that he has been involved with, where we now have
eighteen eighteen deceased individuals that are that he's been credited with,
you have to go back and let's just kind of
revisit the timeline here just for a second. I'll run
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it down. In July twenty twenty three, we have the
firefighters that are shot at the fire station with the
bay doors open, and which you can imagine the whole
community was shocked over this. I think anybody that would
have heard about it would be shocked over it. Then
you jumped forward to November of twenty twenty three, and
(24:14):
initially we had this event involving Reginald Bryant. Well, that
case is credited to McDaniel as well. And McDaniel and
as you mentioned, Dave Wiley, this thirty year old out
of Fairfield. Now, just a month month and a half later,
(24:34):
I get well, it's like January the tenth. You've got
a young lady who's twenty one, Dave, and this is
in January, January the tenth, she's found lying in her
driveway suffering from gunshot wound and she's pronounced dead there
at the scene. You know, who's why are you killing
a twenty one year old woman in her driveway? Is
(24:57):
there some kind of was she targeted for some specific reason?
Had he been paid to do this? Then you go
to February of twenty twenty four and we've got now
four victims or three victims, including an unborn child. That
was in February, you remember the Valentine's Day shooting. And
then in April the ninth of twenty twenty four we've
(25:20):
got Anthony Love And this is kind of an interesting
one day because McDaniel went to a UPS facility and
shot him who you know, you talk about being bold
that they would go he would go to this location
and shoot this individual. You know, you get the sense
(25:43):
that as he's going along, he has no fear. And
this is the one case where they they do make
mention of the fact that this was a murder for hire.
At this point, Tom, then you.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Go to this.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't know how else to really just grab it.
It's it's like an unlicensed bar kind of club thing.
It's called Place.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
They're all over the place and every community has them.
It's just a a nod in certain neighborhoods and that
this is one of those, though it operates under the radar.
You pay a couple of cops or whoever, and there
you go.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Horrible.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, And with this, you know, this is like the
first time that we have a mass shooting. And this
is a you know, you can go in you can
buy alcohols called and they referred to at the time
as the And this is in July twenty twenty four,
the trend Setters mass shooting. We had Stevie McGhee, thirty
(26:42):
nine years old. He's found dead on the sidewalk at
the scene. And then You've got two others that are
found inside Markisha Getting she's thirty nine, Angela Weatherspoon, she's
fifty six, she's dead inside of trend Setters. And then
you've got another person that rolls into UAB hospital and
(27:05):
they eventually died, Ladarius Anderson, he's twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You remember, I remember when we were talking about this
the first time, and I asked you, how do you
deal with that? You know, in terms of an investigation,
when you have you've got a mass shooting. We've got
people over here that are dead or wounded, but then
hours later somebody comes in and they're wounded and die.
I mean they come by themselves, not through the ambulance.
(27:29):
I wonder what that does to an investigation.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, well, what's going to be really important, Dave, one
of the most I'm glad you asked that, because one
of the most important things that you can draw upon.
You know, when EMTs roll out to a scene, they
start they have their own well what they some people
call it a run number. Some people dependent upon the
para medical services that will call it a case number.
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But they're going on a run. And so when that
number is generated, all right, and they run out there
they arrive and anytimes the first responders are the first
people on the scene. Sometimes they beat the cops there,
so what they see at the scene is invaluable. All right, Well,
you don't have that with somebody that just comes in
off of the street. So where do you get information from?
(28:16):
Was that first point of contact? It might be a
security guard that's standing, say, for instance, off of the
inside of because most big cities that have emergency rooms,
if you've ever noticed this, they've got security guards that
are seated inside of the waiting room. That's because you
never know what's going to happen on any given night
(28:36):
in there. You can have fights break out, all kinds
of stuff. Well, you've got somebody that rolls in and
they're bleeding, they're complaining, I've been shot, I've been shot.
That's your first point of contact. And so all of
the information that you're going to get is going to
come from the medical staff about this guy and he
just walks in off the street. Well, their statements are
going to be critical. You know, what did he say?
(28:58):
You know, at that point in time, you know he
dies l Dave. So if he ambulates in he's bleeding
out internally you can't necessarily appreciate that at that point
in time. Then buddy, let me tell you, you've got
to get every bit of information because he's gone now
you're not going to be able to get anything from him.
So that becomes very problematic. You have to chase down
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every person that you can in order to, you know,
to try to understand, you know, what was going on
at that particular time. You move beyond July and you
get into August of twenty twenty four, and you've got
an individual that's that's found inside of an apartment development
(29:44):
by the name of Charles Herbert Moore. He shot unresponsive,
he's pronounced dead at the scene. And you have another
suspect other than McDaniel that is charged in this case,
this is Charles n You have September of twenty twenty
four where they discover an individual by the name of
(30:11):
Darnett Tenny Brown, thirty five years old, and she's been
suffering from gunshot wound. She's found inside of a bar.
Why her You know, what connectivity do any of these
people have with one another? And of course that in
the same month, you have the five point South Mass
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shooting that takes place and again.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
This is the second one we had the trendsetters. This
is your second mass killing by the same alleged, same suspect.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, and you know, at this particular place, you've got
four people that are killed here Dave, with seventeen others
that have been wounded. And this is like a it's
you know, this is kind of confused. A lot of
stuff takes place on the outside. There's like a hookah
lounge there and a cigar lounge that sort of thing,
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but there is a trendsetter's bar that's immediately adjacent to
this area. You've got Roder Patterson, Taj Brooker, Carlos McCain,
and Andrew Holman for more people that are too again
to his credit. Then you know, you go forward. We
(31:30):
still got another individual, JaMarcus m McIntire.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Next day, by the way, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
In the wake of all of this chaos, and I'm thinking,
because having been involved in.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, let me stop Deantrenet today Brown. She's killed on
September nineteenth. On the two days later, you have the
Hush Lounge by Point South shooting mass shooting. Then the
next day, so over a three day period of time,
you've got two solo shootings and a mass shooting by
the same suspect. JaMarcus McIntyre was killed on September twenty second,
(32:07):
twenty twenty four, so three days and all that death
attributed allegedly to one person.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, and in that moment of Tom, you you know,
you're just coming off of this and I'm thinking about
the investigators that have been working all night, you know before,
and then you go into the next day and you've
got another one that's racked up. And I don't know
if anyone has ever seen the show Homicide that was
(32:40):
set up in Baltimore, and they had there was a
classic scene that they always showed and everything kind of
revolved around that show where you had a board that
had a whiteboard that was written and they would put
a magnetic sticker an indicator next to who was up,
like who's who's the next detective. Anything that happens, you
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got the next call because you're next in line. I
can only imagine in the Homicide Division what they're looking
at in the wake of multiple shootings over a very
short period of time, and there's other killings that are
going on, you know that they're having to investigate that
are not associated with Damon McDaniel. You don't have enough
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staff to cover a lot of this, and this material,
Dave is so very dense relative to all of the
data that you're trying to collect, all of the connections
that you're trying to make, all of the witness statements
that you're trying to take from this, it must seem
like you're absolutely drowning. If this was like a mass
shooting that took place, say, for instance, we had the
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Nashville shooter, you know that jumps to mind, you had Parkland.
You've got all of these different shootings, as horrific as
those are, got containment in that where it's all happening
in a central location. In you know, a couple of
these cases, you have individuals where the shooters have died
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and they've been shot as well, or they took their
own lives. That's contained. Take that a mass shooting in
one contained location, and then spread it out over a
timeline where you've got multiple deaths in between other mass
shootings along the way, and it's enough to make your
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eyes water when you think about it. You know, you
have to ask the question, is it humanly possible to
get every bit of evidence in a case like this,
and if so, how are you going to compile all
of this? I can only imagine right now, because this
is an active case that's continuing to be investigated, they're
literally dave drowning in data right now. You have to understand,
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it's not just the detectives that are working here. You
do have the forensics people, the crimson investigators that are
out there, which are different than the detectives, and you're
going to have the Jefferson County Corner's Office that's going
to have to do all of these autopsies on each
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one of these individuals. You'll be drowning. And not to mention,
not to mention the stress that it puts on the
prosecutor's office, because for every homicide that you have, it's
not like you bundle these homicides together, all right. These
are individual human beings, These are victims, individual human beings.
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And for each one of these individual human beings that
has met their end at the hand of another, there's
going to be a case number that is generated for
that there will be a charge that is specifically assigned
to that individual, that is for their life, and the
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individual that is prosecuting this thing. I can't imagine that
they would have enough assistant district attorneys to go around,
you know, just to work each one of these cases.
So where does that leave you? You know, well, first off,
I'm still not convinced that this is completely over with
because apparently along the way they made some kind of
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connection that even though they had him on fourteen other cases,
something drew their eye to these other four that we
now have. I'm just wondering how many more are there.
I can tell you this, Dave and I are on this.
We're going to be keeping a close eye on this,
and I hope that anybody that is within the sound
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of our voice. These cases, for whatever reason, have not
made it onto the national stage. We're talking about eighteen
homicides here that are being laid at the feet, primarily
at the feet of Damon McDaniel. He hadn't been tried,
he hadn't been found guilty and his accomplices. How's this
not made national news? I'm amazed. And we can't forget
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about the people that sustained injuries as a result of this.
The list is long. We'll keep you updated. I'm Joseph
Scott Morgan, and this is bodybacks,
Bodybags, but Joseph's gotten more. I gotta tell you, I
really did not think I was going to be coming
back to this case this soon. And for further reference,
I direct you to our April sixteenth episode of Body
Backs for the initial the initial conversation that we had
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about the topic at hand. The reason that I did
not think I would be returning to this topic was
because we had a unique from a crumb Son standpoint,
a unique event happened in Birmingham. We wound up having
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a serial killer, slash mass shooter. I've never heard of
this before. It just popped onto my radar. We had
fourteen people that well, my friends, there's an update, and
I aim to give it to you right now, and
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you're not going to believe it. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,
and this is Bodybacks. Damon McDaniel. We've already spent quite
a bit of time talking about this person and Dave,
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by my count, at that time, he was responsible for
fourteen homicides that could be laid at his feet, along
with a myriad of other crimes involving people that were
injured as a result of his shooting spreeze. And today
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I don't know. I can't remember. My day's all run together.
I can't remember what day it was, but I sent
you an article maybe three days ago, four days ago.
He's I hate to use the word credited, but he
has now been credited with four more homicides. Dave, is
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this going to end? Can you give me some hope
here that there's not going to be more. I have
to think that this person is responsible for a goodly
percentage of Birmingham's homicides. If he was not in the population,
Birmingham's homicide body count would not be as high as
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it is. And when I say, you know, there's a
term you use in statistics when you're studying them in
college and that sort of thing, and it's called when
you talk about something an anomaly or of finding that
you have during research, you say that it's statistically significant.
This is statistically significant when taking the broad view of Birmingham,
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Alabama and the homicides that they have in that fair city.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
But you got to figure that the reason we did
the show a month ago was because Damian McDaniel was
responsible for fourteen murders in fourteen months, allegedly, and we
hadn't heard anything about it outside of our area. And
since both of you, you and I both work on
national shows on a regular basis, it's odd that a
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story like this doesn't gain some traction somewhere. We have
a number of cases of deaths around Lady Bird Lake
in Austin, Texas, and we've done shows on that. But
this there was fourteen and fourteen months and now four
weeks after, we're doing a show because four new victims
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have been added to the count for Damian McDaniel, and
in one end, sadly, yeah, sadly, one is an unborn child,
Angelia Webster, Christian Norris and the couple's unborn child and
another man named Reginald Bryant have been added to the
list of alleged victims of Damian McDaniel. Sadly, I don't
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think we're going to even stop there, Joe. I think
there's more.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. You know, I
guess you when you begin to kind of explore this
idea of this mismatch and listen, I urge anybody to
reach out to me if they've ever heard of a
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combo like this, because I haven't. I have not come
across a combo where you've got serialized homicides and that
means that they take place on different dates. First off,
you have to have I think it's three or more
to qualify to be a serial killer. Our man hits
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the jackpot because now he stands at eighteen and in
concert with that, he's been involved in mass shootings. It's
a real head scratcher, you know. I would I'd love
to know what you know from the Behavioral Sciences Unit
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at the FBI. I'd love to know if they've studied
anything like this before, you know, and I would imagine
that it has happened. It's not something that happens on
Serial killing is not something that happens on a regular basis.
I know everybody thinks that it does. But the reason
it splash is so big is because they're not caught
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as often as people think they are. But in this case,
I think that the police, the investigators have done Yeoman's
work in kind of connecting the dots with him movements
and the movements of I think he's got colleagues that
are involved in this as well that have Yeah, colleagues.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Right that kind of hit that that hit me the
wrong way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So yeah, Wow, Well, compatriots, I don't know. I don't
know fellow desperadoes. I don't know how we could how
we could class for it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I just try to figure out.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
You have mass killers and you have serial killers, and
then you have other homicides. But when I look at
this Joe and it's just me, I think of a
mass killer as somebody who comes into a specific area
and shoots up the joint or kills a number of
people in a very short window and leaves or takes
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their own life, whereas a serial killer is somebody who
is hunting and can take several years, as we've seen
in many cases where they change up the mo even
you know, they kill one way for a while and
then go away and come back and do it differently.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, they could. There's there's some there's some indication out
there that there's some people think that there's an attempt
to I don't know too behave the way another previous
serial killer has this kind of masking that goes on,
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And I don't think that these people can really extend
that far out to change their ways. They get very
comfortable with it. Oh and by the way, I want
to tell you this, I'm going to throw something out
to you here that you may not have heard this
term before, and it might apply to this guy. I
used the word comfortable just a second ago. Did you
know that there are within there's multiple different type typologies
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of serial killers. Okay, the biggest dividing line is that
they use okay, is going to be organized versus disorganized.
And then it kind of drops down, you know, from
there and kind of a pyramid shape, and you know,
you've got these little lines there extending maybe think of
I don't know, if pyramid doesn't work for you, think
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of a Venn diagram. Here, here's the term comfort killer.
Comfort killer. The reason I'm saying that these are people
that have a financial motivation. So you can take somebody
that is like a professional hit man, all right, I'm
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thinking about the fellow they just called him the Iceman
that there's been several documentaries done on him that killed
multiple people, alleged that he had killed I think he
even alleged that he had something to do with Haffa.
Who knows. But he got paid for doing what he
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was doing and led a normal life. I mean, he
take his family to church every Sunday. You know, he
was a doting father, but on the side he's out,
you know, ending people's lives. So is this an example,
a subcategory example of a comfort killer who is who
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is receiving payment for what he's doing. And that was
actually in our previous episode we had talked about this
that if you think you if you think you hated
the term colleague, let me throw this out to you
that his services were engaged by somebody out there that's
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pulling the strings on this. And I have to assume
that the police know who this person is because if
this individual, this damon McDaniel, is being paid to end
people's lives as horrific as what he has done, If
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he is being paid to do this, day you realize
that the person doing the pain is the one that
might wind up with what do we use in Alabama
now the nitrogen mask over their head. In this particular case,
you say, the needle in the arm, or is going
to be sitting in the chair to have the switch thrown.
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That person might bear more responsibility than anybody else in
this because I can't you know, I can't think of
anybody what would be the motivation, you know, behind doing
this and ending so many lives in such a bold fashion.
It's not like he did it in a vacuum. You know.
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You think back to you know, bt K, who was
highly organized, highly organized serial killer, and he really took
his time. He was a true hunter, and he would
case the houses. He would you know, watch the movements
of individuals. He would follow them, and he would wait
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and spring at the last moment, uh, you know. And
that's generally one of the main things that I think
I was kind of a template. I'm sorry to meet Stepheny, would.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You say, no, he I just when I think of BTK,
I think of him being the average guy, you know,
has a position in the church, is well thought of
in the community.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
His own family doesn't know who he is.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I've seen interviews with his daughter and it was just,
wait a minute, my whole life was a lie, you know.
And you know you mentioned him and the planning and
the serialized killing and then him communicating with cops and
making it a game. It was almost a lifestyle choice
for him to be this kind of a serial killer.
Whereas with McDaniel and Birmingham we're looking at on the
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one hand, you have a hired hitman. You know, you
give him a whatever money. I don't know what it
costs to have somebody killed. Usually you get caught because
the guy who got paid. When he gets got he
rolls over on you. And since you're the one that instigated,
they're going to get you two. But he was that guy.
But then we've also got him in a mass killing,
wasn't there's two?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think yes, we two make social gatherings.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, where he's just gonna off handedly.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Maybe there was one original target, but everybody else was
collateral damage.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And these are actual people's lives. These are people who.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Have moms, dad's children. I mean, they're living, breathing human beings.
This person decides to take money and get rid of them.
And the fact that he got away with it for
as long as he did, and now that he's behind bars, Joe,
they're able to you mentioned this before, you said, now
that he is behind bars, they're going to be able
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to take their time investigating some of these other crimes
that he has suspected of being involved in.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's how you came up with Think about it, Norris
and Webster, Angelia Webster and Christian Norris. You're talking about
a couple, an unborn child, and the last team, I'm
they're scene alive.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It's on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They actually left a residence in Insley, which is if
you're driving through Birmingham, it's just right past the spaghetti junction,
you know. Yeah, and it's on the west side of town. Yeah,
And having driven in that area, I know this area.
I'm picturing it in my eyes, you know, I'm picturing
where they were. And they're going to go to the movies.
Right on their way to a movie theater, Joe, a
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couple expecting a child go to the movies and they
don't come home two days later the round.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, and they're they're in their car and people were
looking for them. Dave, I got to ask you this,
how many how many times on Valentine's Day did you
and Lendonna go out for a meal, you know, just
to celebrate just the two of you, when you didn't
have kids hanging all over you. I mean there had
to have been moments like no, because I remember with
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with Kimmy, you know, we we we would go out,
we'd always make it a point to go out on
Valentine's And here you're celebrating that's the thing about this.
You're celebrating new life here, all right, she's pregnant. She's pregnant,
all right, and this guy walks up on the car
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we are assuming and blast away. What could these two
twenty year olds have done that they deserved the death penalty? Dave,
(14:41):
you know you mentioned, you mentioned this young couple that
we're out going to a movie on Valentine's Day and
they run in to a buzzsaw essentially just ends their
life and the life of their unborn child. There's one
more individual that is that he Damon McDaniel has now
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been charged with What do we know about that subject
at this point in tom We.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Know that one thing about McDaniel is that some of
the murders he's tied to, he had a compatriot, He
had somebody with him who was also involved in the murder,
and meaning he wasn't the sole killer. And there are
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more people arrested. There's already a couple of the previous cases.
And in the murder of Reginald Bryant, he was killed
in the fall of twenty twenty three, who signs shot
to death in the back of a home and that
was in I'm trying to get the exactly is November
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twenty seventh of twenty twenty three, and the police said
at the time, Joe, that it appeared that Bryant had
been targeted and approached by several suspects prior to the shooting,
and one or more of the suspects fired shots at him.
That's why when I said Damien Maxwell, actually, I mean
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McDaniel actually has other people, you know, involved in some
of his murders. Lorenzo Wiley was charged with this as well.
He's a thirty year old guy from Fairfield. Both are
in custody. Obviously we know McDaniel is, but Wiley's in
jail two right now. And I don't know why Reginald
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Bryant was in the radar of so many bad guys.
I mean, Joe, this sounds like something out of a movie. Okay,
this sounds like you've got to detectives downtown and we
got a murder and we got twenty different people that
showed up to shoot him, and who did I mean,
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, yeah, it is. It's absolutely nuts. And you know,
we have to go back all the way to the
first when when was when was this individual Bryant. When
was he killed was November because it was just back
in July of twenty twenty three, where uh, you know,
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McDaniel pops onto the radar where out of all the
people in the world, he walks into a fire station, Dave, Yeah,
and shoots the place up, shoots one firefighter that survives.
He's been shot in the chest and the legs. But
you've got this other young man who's just come off
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of probation and I don't mean probation like in a
negative way. He just graduates from fire academy. It had
only been a firefighter for a total of a year
and that includes his training. Nice guy. It's like, you know,
if you go if you walk up to a firehouse
and you start shooting people, it's like, I don't know,
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it's like tearing the head off of flowers or you know,
it's it's the most it's the most disturbing thing in
that sense that what, what's your point here? Why why
in the world would you do this? Because there's no
justification for killing anybody. But you know, these two guys,
and we all know how hot it is in Birmingham.
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They would leave those bay doors open and sit there,
and they're big claim to fame there at this particular station.
They've got a lot of elderly people that live around there.
They would come in and get their sugar checked, if
they were diabetic, they'd get blood pressures taken, and they
probably just come by and just chat with these with
these folks, they're part of the neighborhood. What would be
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what would be the motivation for anybody to walk in
and want to to kill to kill two firefighters? And
that's how he starts out apparently, But I'm starting to
question everything at this point in time. I don't know
if they were the first two now, you know, for
all I know, there may be other people that pre
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date that July event. I don't know. I don't have
any inside information. But now we've got another one that
had popped up with this gentleman that was shot in November, right,
November decent, November twenty twenty of twenty twenty three, and
he w wasn't on the radar initially. So how far
back does this go? You know, the further back we
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go with this thing, the more complex it gets. Because
you know, initially, when you have events like this that
happened and you're trying to establish a timeline you don't have,
you don't have the thirty thousand foot altitude view. At
that point time, you're focused right there, in real time
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on the case that you have where you've got these
individuals at a firehouse that are shot and eventually died
at a hospital. I don't you know, it's hard, it's
really hard to kind of understand it from that perspective.
But once this starts to kick off and they start
having these random shootings, you begin to think, well, maybe
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these aren't as random as they could have been. One
thing that's kind of fascinating about this again, there's so
much that is but to that point, if he has
other I'll use term compadres that are involved with him
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in doing this, Dave, I wonder how many weapons are involved,
because you know, with serialized events, it's rare that the
serial killer strays very far from what they are very
familiar with, Like if they're going to use a ligature,
if they're going to use a knife, if they're going
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to use a hammer, for instance, there's been people who
have been bludgeoned to death by serial killers, or if
they're going to use a gun, you know, well, first off,
does he own that gun? Have they found the gun?
And even if they have, if you've got multiple other shooters,
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have they recovered any of those weapons as well? This
is going to be so complex to try to understand
the forensics in this case because of all of the
gunshot womens that are involved in this. And it's not
just the dead. I have actually been to the hospital
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to retrieve projectiles that were actually retrieved during surgery on
individuals that eventually died. We actually had a kind of
a famous case in Atlanta where we had an individual
that was shot multiple times and the surgeon extracted to
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projectiles out of the body, had them thrown away and incinerated,
didn't retain them, and so there was an extensive amount
of training that went on in the wake of that. Also,
you know, you have to retain the clothes. So everything
in here is so complex. You've got people that are
going to hospitals, they have evidence on their bodies, they
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have bullets, projectiles that have been taken out of their bodies.
You have clothing for instance, which many times when they're
trying to save lives, Dave, they're just cutting it off
and kind of throwing it on the ground. It's blood saturated,
but still something that we can use because with the
clothing you can determine range of fire. You know, if
you're getting a story about what his activities were, say
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for instance, around or in one of these clubs, how
close was he when he was firing the weapon or
how close were these other individuals that are involved with him.
And so this kicks us up to a level that
I dare say that in their many years of working
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homicides in Birmingham, Alabama, I don't know that they've ever
come across something that is that extensive and this complex.
(23:27):
So what we do know about McDaniel that those things
that he has been involved with, where we now have
eighteen eighteen deceased individuals that are that he's been credited with,
you have to go back and let's just kind of
revisit the timeline here just for a second. I'll run
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it down. In July twenty twenty three, we have the
firefighters that are shot at the fire station with the
bay doors open, and which you can imagine the whole
community was shocked over this. I think anybody that would
have heard about it would be shocked over it. Then
you jumped forward to November of twenty twenty three, and
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initially we had this event involving Reginald Bryant. Well, that
case is credited to McDaniel as well. And McDaniel and
as you mentioned, Dave Wiley, this thirty year old out
of Fairfield. Now, just a month month and a half later,
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I get well, it's like January the tenth. You've got
a young lady who's twenty one, Dave, and this is
in January, January the tenth, she's found lying in her
driveway suffering from gunshot wound and she's pronounced dead there
at the scene. You know, who's why are you killing
a twenty one year old woman in her driveway? Is
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there some kind of was she targeted for some specific reason?
Had he been paid to do this? Then you go
to February of twenty twenty four and we've got now
four victims or three victims, including an unborn child. That
was in February, you remember the Valentine's Day shooting. And
then in April the ninth of twenty twenty four we've
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got Anthony Love And this is kind of an interesting
one day because McDaniel went to a UPS facility and
shot him who you know, you talk about being bold
that they would go he would go to this location
and shoot this individual. You know, you get the sense
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that as he's going along, he has no fear. And
this is the one case where they they do make
mention of the fact that this was a murder for hire.
At this point, Tom, then you.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Go to this.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't know how else to really just grab it.
It's it's like an unlicensed bar kind of club thing.
It's called Place.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
They're all over the place and every community has them.
It's just a a nod in certain neighborhoods and that
this is one of those, though it operates under the radar.
You pay a couple of cops or whoever, and there
you go.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Horrible.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, And with this, you know, this is like the
first time that we have a mass shooting. And this
is a you know, you can go in you can
buy alcohols called and they referred to at the time
as the And this is in July twenty twenty four,
the trend Setters mass shooting. We had Stevie McGhee, thirty
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nine years old. He's found dead on the sidewalk at
the scene. And then You've got two others that are
found inside Markisha Getting she's thirty nine, Angela Weatherspoon, she's
fifty six, she's dead inside of trend Setters. And then
you've got another person that rolls into UAB hospital and
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they eventually died, Ladarius Anderson, he's twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You remember, I remember when we were talking about this
the first time, and I asked you, how do you
deal with that? You know, in terms of an investigation,
when you have you've got a mass shooting. We've got
people over here that are dead or wounded, but then
hours later somebody comes in and they're wounded and die.
I mean they come by themselves, not through the ambulance.
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I wonder what that does to an investigation.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, well, what's going to be really important, Dave, one
of the most I'm glad you asked that, because one
of the most important things that you can draw upon.
You know, when EMTs roll out to a scene, they
start they have their own well what they some people
call it a run number. Some people dependent upon the
para medical services that will call it a case number.
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But they're going on a run. And so when that
number is generated, all right, and they run out there
they arrive and anytimes the first responders are the first
people on the scene. Sometimes they beat the cops there,
so what they see at the scene is invaluable. All right, Well,
you don't have that with somebody that just comes in
off of the street. So where do you get information from?
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Was that first point of contact? It might be a
security guard that's standing, say, for instance, off of the
inside of because most big cities that have emergency rooms,
if you've ever noticed this, they've got security guards that
are seated inside of the waiting room. That's because you
never know what's going to happen on any given night
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in there. You can have fights break out, all kinds
of stuff. Well, you've got somebody that rolls in and
they're bleeding, they're complaining, I've been shot, I've been shot.
That's your first point of contact. And so all of
the information that you're going to get is going to
come from the medical staff about this guy and he
just walks in off the street. Well, their statements are
going to be critical. You know, what did he say?
(28:58):
You know, at that point in time, you know he
dies l Dave. So if he ambulates in he's bleeding
out internally you can't necessarily appreciate that at that point
in time. Then buddy, let me tell you, you've got
to get every bit of information because he's gone now
you're not going to be able to get anything from him.
So that becomes very problematic. You have to chase down
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every person that you can in order to, you know,
to try to understand, you know, what was going on
at that particular time. You move beyond July and you
get into August of twenty twenty four, and you've got
an individual that's that's found inside of an apartment development
(29:44):
by the name of Charles Herbert Moore. He shot unresponsive,
he's pronounced dead at the scene. And you have another
suspect other than McDaniel that is charged in this case,
this is Charles n You have September of twenty twenty
four where they discover an individual by the name of
(30:11):
Darnett Tenny Brown, thirty five years old, and she's been
suffering from gunshot wound. She's found inside of a bar.
Why her You know, what connectivity do any of these
people have with one another? And of course that in
the same month, you have the five point South Mass
(30:33):
shooting that takes place and again.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
This is the second one we had the trendsetters. This
is your second mass killing by the same alleged, same suspect.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, and you know, at this particular place, you've got
four people that are killed here Dave, with seventeen others
that have been wounded. And this is like a it's
you know, this is kind of confused. A lot of
stuff takes place on the outside. There's like a hookah
lounge there and a cigar lounge that sort of thing,
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but there is a trendsetter's bar that's immediately adjacent to
this area. You've got Roder Patterson, Taj Brooker, Carlos McCain,
and Andrew Holman for more people that are too again
to his credit. Then you know, you go forward. We
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still got another individual, JaMarcus m McIntire.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Next day, by the way, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
In the wake of all of this chaos, and I'm thinking,
because having been involved in.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, let me stop Deantrenet today Brown. She's killed on
September nineteenth. On the two days later, you have the
Hush Lounge by Point South shooting mass shooting. Then the
next day, so over a three day period of time,
you've got two solo shootings and a mass shooting by
the same suspect. JaMarcus McIntyre was killed on September twenty second,
(32:07):
twenty twenty four, so three days and all that death
attributed allegedly to one person.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, and in that moment of Tom, you you know,
you're just coming off of this and I'm thinking about
the investigators that have been working all night, you know before,
and then you go into the next day and you've
got another one that's racked up. And I don't know
if anyone has ever seen the show Homicide that was
(32:40):
set up in Baltimore, and they had there was a
classic scene that they always showed and everything kind of
revolved around that show where you had a board that
had a whiteboard that was written and they would put
a magnetic sticker an indicator next to who was up,
like who's who's the next detective. Anything that happens, you
(33:02):
got the next call because you're next in line. I
can only imagine in the Homicide Division what they're looking
at in the wake of multiple shootings over a very
short period of time, and there's other killings that are
going on, you know that they're having to investigate that
are not associated with Damon McDaniel. You don't have enough
(33:25):
staff to cover a lot of this, and this material,
Dave is so very dense relative to all of the
data that you're trying to collect, all of the connections
that you're trying to make, all of the witness statements
that you're trying to take from this, it must seem
like you're absolutely drowning. If this was like a mass
shooting that took place, say, for instance, we had the
(33:48):
Nashville shooter, you know that jumps to mind, you had Parkland.
You've got all of these different shootings, as horrific as
those are, got containment in that where it's all happening
in a central location. In you know, a couple of
these cases, you have individuals where the shooters have died
(34:10):
and they've been shot as well, or they took their
own lives. That's contained. Take that a mass shooting in
one contained location, and then spread it out over a
timeline where you've got multiple deaths in between other mass
shootings along the way, and it's enough to make your
(34:32):
eyes water when you think about it. You know, you
have to ask the question, is it humanly possible to
get every bit of evidence in a case like this,
and if so, how are you going to compile all
of this? I can only imagine right now, because this
is an active case that's continuing to be investigated, they're
literally dave drowning in data right now. You have to understand,
(34:55):
it's not just the detectives that are working here. You
do have the forensics people, the crimson investigators that are
out there, which are different than the detectives, and you're
going to have the Jefferson County Corner's Office that's going
to have to do all of these autopsies on each
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one of these individuals. You'll be drowning. And not to mention,
not to mention the stress that it puts on the
prosecutor's office, because for every homicide that you have, it's
not like you bundle these homicides together, all right. These
are individual human beings, These are victims, individual human beings.
(35:37):
And for each one of these individual human beings that
has met their end at the hand of another, there's
going to be a case number that is generated for
that there will be a charge that is specifically assigned
to that individual, that is for their life, and the
(35:58):
individual that is prosecuting this thing. I can't imagine that
they would have enough assistant district attorneys to go around,
you know, just to work each one of these cases.
So where does that leave you? You know, well, first off,
I'm still not convinced that this is completely over with
because apparently along the way they made some kind of
(36:19):
connection that even though they had him on fourteen other cases,
something drew their eye to these other four that we
now have. I'm just wondering how many more are there.
I can tell you this, Dave and I are on this.
We're going to be keeping a close eye on this,
and I hope that anybody that is within the sound
(36:41):
of our voice. These cases, for whatever reason, have not
made it onto the national stage. We're talking about eighteen
homicides here that are being laid at the feet, primarily
at the feet of Damon McDaniel. He hadn't been tried,
he hadn't been found guilty and his accomplices. How's this
not made national news? I'm amazed. And we can't forget
(37:05):
about the people that sustained injuries as a result of this.
The list is long. We'll keep you updated. I'm Joseph
Scott Morgan, and this is bodybacks,
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