June 11, 2025 • 34 mins
Eric and host of "Hot Ones"/friend of the show Sean Evans discuss a bombing they experienced together at a video shoot. They talk about the early stages of "Hot Ones" and how test runs would make participants throw up instantly. The sauces were too hot, and the milkshakes were a-plenty! They both discuss comedy outings together and the most wasted Sean has ever been on the "Hot Ones" set. Let's say it's with a Rock 'n' Roll Legend and a bottle of Crown Royal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, do you know where you are? I? Sure? Do
you listening to another episode of Bombing with Eric Andre,
where I talk with friends, comedians, musicians, and other creative
people about their worst moments on stage. We're talking about
the spiciest moments. So today it felt right to sit
down with the host and creator of Hot Ones, Sean Evans.
Dear friend. We both took a trip down memory lane
(00:21):
about a bombing moment. We experienced it together. Let's get
into it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Bombing Boming with Eric Andre.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
All right, well, so what's a bomb for him? Just
a shitty interview.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Shitty interview.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
When you said that it clearly hates white people.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
When you said that, that was immediately the thing that
I thought about. You know, it's like about bombing because
you know, you think hot Ones would fly off the
rails all the time, but it's usually a very positive
shoot experience, you know, like, no matter the emotional rollercoaster throughout,
it usually ends in a hug. So I don't really
have that many So of this is uncomfortable kind of interviews.
(01:02):
When I look at the cattle the hot Ones catalog, Yeah,
but that one with you me and Vas, Yeah, if
I look back on the hundreds of interviews that I've
done in my life, that's the one that crystallized is
maybe the most.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, he clearly doesn't like to do press. I was
kind of like I would have turned to him and
be like, you don't have to do this, Like this
was just to promote your stuff, Like none of us
have to be here. You don't have to be here, right,
if you don't want to promote your stuff, just go oh,
go away here, like go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
In his defense, though, I remember the whole conceit for
this thing was so stupid.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So I think what was happening he was confusing, was
super confused. I didn't really know what it was. What
were we supposed to do? What the purpose together? So
here's what I think happened.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Wece used to do those interviews would be like Mac
DeMarco talking to Asap Rocky or something. You're like two
musicians talking shot. So I think complex saw that. I
was like, Oh, we need to do our version of that,
but we should leverage our hosts and Bob, you know,
like it's when people start making decisions that have nothing
to do with making a good interview or making a
good video. It's motivated by other things, you know, yeah,
(02:07):
but or like just we're going to put our hosts
like leverage our complex brand, put our like we're gonna
take the magic of this thing, but insert a certain
like this is ours, and who knows what that means.
They can spin it off, sell it different ways or whatever,
you know. But I remember thinking that's so stupid, because
the reason the Vice thing kind of works is it's
(02:27):
two musicians talking shop or two comedians talking shops. Right,
introducing a host, it's like putting pickles on peanut butter
and jelly sandwich. It makes no sense, and it actually
flies in the face of like the exact thing that
makes that whole thing work right, and it it inserts
just a distracting element to the whole thing. So I
(02:48):
remember thinking on its face that this is dumb, that
this is purposeless. And then even the sets like all
spaceshipped out and beard like it made no sense. So
I actually maybe even like kind of understand were coming from.
But I almost like barely, Like I remember three minutes
into that being like, oh, I can't wait to get
in the car.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I was like, this is tense, and he clearly doesn't
want to be here, but you know, before the cameras
turned on, he was like sweet as pumpkin pie. When
I was just talking to him, like before we started shooting,
he was like, I was like, what are you listening
to lately? He's like, oh, Joni Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I was like what.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And then like as soon as the camera started, there
was like a one eighty c change. It was like
very tense and like but I could tell he was
also like it was like shtick, like he was trying
to be like edge Lord kind of like you know
in a way and like militant, but like not in
a comedic way. So I was like trying to like
cut the tension, and I was like, I think in
(03:42):
the middle, I was like what is this?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And then I think in the YouTube kind of ended up.
I felt like kind of trading some things too, and
so then I kind of felt like I was in
the middle of something.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, you know, well, I was like, shit, am I
in Like I felt like I was in the principals office.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I was like, what a.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What am I in trouble for?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I was like I'm here to promote, like a
dumb eleven minute talk show idea.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But what you but what you said is something that
I always think about, Like if.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I don't remember, I don't think I ever watched it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Neither did I I didn't, I don't think it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I was like, Oh, that sucked. And I was doing
like a few things press wise that my publicist this
is like in the beginning, you just say yes to
everything right career, and there was a few things I
did that I regretted. So I was just it was
in that era in the early stages of the show
where I was like I did something. It was like
nylon or neon or one of these like fashion kind
(04:36):
of and they like there was like a fashionista kind
of Bruno character there, like dressing me up in some
like thing. And I was like, I don't really, I
don't model or wear this shit, and they were like, oh,
just do it. And I looked at my publicists, I
was like, can I do it? Like ironically, but then
you don't get to pick the pictures. You don't select
the pictures, so you better enjoy what you are where
(05:00):
and what you're doing because you don't get to pick.
There's no editor. You're not in the edit. So, uh,
it was around that era that I did that, and
I was like, I gotta like be careful about saying
yes to everything because that was a fucking bummer. What
was your takeaway from it? And have we given enough
context as the audience and what the fuck we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Ryal?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, I think we kind of set it up. It
was just it was trying. It was trying to be
actors on actors, but they inserted a host for no
reason and then it went sideways, which of course it
was going to do, you know, but what you said,
I do kind of I think about that sometimes when
someone comes in, because you never know what they're gonna
come in with, you know, like they can be you know,
like oh, I'm in a new phase of my like
(05:38):
artistic journey and I'm come in like you know, and
sometimes I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to do a
commercial for you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, totally. Yeah. Well it felt disingenuous because I saw
how he behaved before the cameras turned on and then
he like put on a put on an act and
I was like, no, you're way more interesting yourself. You're
way more intriguing and likable and relatable being yourself. Like
when I was talking to him off camera, I was
(06:05):
like I was leaning in. I was like fascinated, and
then he was. So it was a bummer, you know.
It was like rebel without a cause. Though it wasn't
like it wasn't it wasn't activism. It was just like.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Nihilism.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It was nihilism. What was your takeaway? I didn't. I
didn't have I don't want to watch it again. Yeah,
it's probably not that when watch it, it was it
was just a feeling in the room.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, it was probably more yeah, like less tangible
than but but I don't I mean philosophically the way
I look at interviews the same way as movies, like
they should either be good or really bad, you know
what I mean, Like the middle of the road doesn't
do anything for me. So like sometimes those things are uncomfortable,
but I never when I walk away from him, I'm
(06:55):
always like, well that's you know, it's compelling.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, so and then I try not to take myself
too seriously or like whatever when I walk away from
those things. So that's just like kind of fine.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But is that the worst did I experience? Your biggest bomb.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I'm telling you, I think that's that's like if I
look back while it was happening, the feeling that I
had where I was almost I barely remember because I
was just kind of like disassociated the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But fine, I was like, oh this thing. But thinking
about getting in the car, you seem just like, huh
great anyway, and I was like, maybe this is like
every other day for you, getting like curmudgeon. Well sometimes
because musicians in it happens, yeah, because like, uh, celebrities
are lunatics. It's like the majority of them. They're like
(07:43):
severely mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And just doing an interview. So bizarre because then you
meet people for the first time, and then you have
to create this trust, this rhythm, this energy, this chemistry
in this ridiculous context, you know what I mean. That's
what makes it so. But you always walk away with
those things learning something thing like even walking away from that.
You know, the same way that you were talking about
putting yourself in a bad situation with the Nylon thing,
(08:05):
like same with me. It's like, oh, well that was
a bad situation. I could see it coming from a
mile away. I did it anyway, and it went as
badly as I thought it was going to go. So
then that makes you think, all right, in the future,
I can if trust your instincts on something like.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That and.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Exactly, and if you can't see the concept clearly, then
don't do it, you know what I mean, like if
it's if it's messy at all, And so then you
start to think about, all right, well, I need to
control these things a little bit more so you can
walk away from those things with certain lessons and but overall,
I just think, you know, try your best to research somebody,
put it, put together an interview that you hope works,
(08:44):
and I always stay true to that process. So then
if it doesn't go according to plan, then that's okay.
I did my best, you know, and go on to
the next one. There's always the next one.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah, there's always something new. And yeah, I guess
failure is the greatest teacher. But I just say no,
crust your instincts and just saying no, And like that's
not just for career stuff. It's like throughout life. You know,
I'm such a people pleaser, and I just go yeah, yeah, sure,
and then hey, you want to go do this, like yeah, yeah, sure,
and I don't know why the fuck I did. I
(09:15):
learned it from my parents. But like even if you
want to say yeah, yeah, sure, I have to like
practice like just like not saying anything at first, right,
and then saying something a vague in between, so I
can sleep on it and really check in with my
gut and see how I feel.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
What do you see? The What do you see is
the value of a promo cycle, you know, like the
value of even doing press, of even sitting down and
like doing interviews with people, especially back then, there's a
million for the show.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like you're like, what's even Like, Oh I get on
this and somebody's gonna see me and actually go to
the show. Do you think that that happens?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, I mean without marketing. Look at Barbie. Look at
a Barbie movie, right, it's a fucking genius. Well, they
do two things that was brilliant with the marketing. Hey, Barbie,
is this like tried and true intellectual property that's been
around for one hundred years that's controversial. So controversy brings
media attention and internet attention to it. And uh, it's
(10:12):
already like this established brand and and they combined forces
for some reason, for a very smart reason. With the
Oppenheimer marketing there was like all these like conjoined memes
and they both, you know, they're both making two billion
dollars at the box office. So I think marketing is
(10:34):
crucial inundated with so much media.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, but it's such a fractured media landscape, you know
what I mean. Like back in the day, there was
like a couple a handful of shows you know that
people are tuning into TV channel exactly. Now there's like
a million that.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, you got to market even harder than ever.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, it's a volume.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Game with a condre with aerdre.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
What about like up and coming when you were like
a young journalist.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, well I actually I liked my gigs before I
ever had something like this. I was, you know, I
worked for the park District when I was in high school,
just slinging gatorades and like hot dogs at slow pitch
like rex softball leagues.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And then my other job after that in college, I
do architecture tours of the Chicago River and Lake Michigan
is like a dosin with like the Chicago Architecture as
a tour guide with the Architecture Foundation, and this boat
company called the First Lady, and that was sick. Like
I love doing that too.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Do you ever get fired from anything?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
No, I don't think I've ever been fired or a
frictionless experience all the way through, but I do remember
when we first started doing hot Ones, it would be
kind of an embarrassing show to do before anybody ever
heard of it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It starts sat as so bare bones, just the black
curtains hanging, and then it would have you know, like
the wings and just me sitting there.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know, I like that. It's like Charlie Rose with
chicken wings. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But as you start to like kind of grow and
break through, eventually you find yourself, you know, like renting
a suite at like the Beverly Hills Hotel, hanging those
hanging those black things from like you know, the room,
and then having like Charlie's staring come up from a
press junket to like us with like the bedly you know,
like smashed up against the wall and all the all
the sheets hanging down, and then her being like giving
(12:34):
that same look to the publicist, you know, like that
ended up being fine, but you have to like win
people over, and that was like always a struggle. Nobody
had heard of us or like knew anything when they're
getting themselves into it, and then you have this ridiculous
on its face, ridiculous concept, you know what I mean.
So I always felt I remember, for years doing the show,
(12:54):
I'd have a feeling of embarrassment before we started.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, it's great. I mean you
do get thrown a lot of fucking wacka do bullshit
when you're doing press sometimes, and you do have to
like constantly check in with your pubblices, be like what
am I doing? Like like especially like there are like
people that pitch you like wacka doo games, Like you're like,
this is You're gonna play the selfie Olympics, and the
fuck up, I don't want to do that. Just go
(13:20):
see the movie I did and whatever. But uh, so
I understand their apprehension. You got to kind of check
in with each especially when we tossed around those hotel rooms.
You're like yeah, yeah, yeah, like what is this? But
uh game show? Yeah was?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
What was the.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Highs and lows of the Game Show was that stressful.
Is it still going No?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
No, No, Here's how I here's how I look back
on that. The positives on it were, uh, you know,
it's fun to do it like in a big studio.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You know, they're nerve wracking. No.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I kind of liked it, you know because when you
do the stress of it, I kind of like the
performance of it, you know, I kind of like, you know,
you're so in the studio doing the interview show. There's
not many people on set, you know, it's very closed
and quiet, and that felt like a chance to like,
you know, it's like kind of doing something in the
studio and then you get to do a concert. That's
kind of how I thought of it, And it was
it was fun in Atlanta was a fun city to
(14:17):
do it. They're not normal seat filler people, you know,
they're like fun and having a great time and it's
so that always felt awesome. And then you'd be like
around fans and signing hot sauce bottles and stuff, so
it felt real.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
The show. How did the game show work? What was
the premise of it? Like people had to eat hotter
and hotter, Like, yeah, it's celebrities.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, contestants, right, so it just be like these rounds
of either like a game or trivia, but before each
round they're eating this scorching hot chicken wing. But I
do remember not having not having the greatest experience going
having a TV adaptation of it or taking notes from
like a network about what this should be, you know
(14:55):
what I mean. So I think, but I think sometimes
they're just like, oh, it's like soelebrities and hot sauce,
and that's what like makes it such a hit, you
know what I mean. So they it would be very
celebrity driven kind of trivia and stuff, but I'm like,
I know, my audience not this kind of dumb, you know.
So I felt like the trivia was dumb. I felt
like the games were dumb. Like I kind of wanted
(15:15):
it to be a little more cash cab kind of thing,
you know, like something that I know people can play
along to. But then they'll, like mark, you know, they'll
focus group test something, and then with whatever the demographic
is for the advertisers that they have, and that ends
up like dictating the show.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know, they run creativity like a fucking accountant.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, So I saw that, and then and then the
output from that I'm like, I know why people like
hot ones and no hot Ones fan is going to
see this and be like, oh, yeah, this is an
amazing game show, you know what I mean. So I
knew that. And while you're doing something, it's exciting, and
especially at that time, it was super exciting. But then
when I was on the plane home, you know, it's
(15:56):
such a whirlwind because you shoot like twenty five episodes
in ten days or whatever. And then when I was
on the plane ride home, I remember being like.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
A what's that going to look like?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know, but I thought, you know, working with the
contestants is great. The other thing was the wings were
way too hot, you know, because that's like spicy. Wait,
just way too spicy is like just way too way
too impossible to deal. Oh, you were like chilling killing them.
Because the other side of it is the people. I
(16:24):
think there was puking.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I think there was.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Pukinger from Massachusetts or whatever doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
There was puking in every single episode.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I was like, I was like, this needs and then
the way that they would be explained to me, I'd
be like, you know what, how one would kind of
work them up to.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You were starting out at no one's gonna watch the
first commercial break if they're just kind of you know,
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So the first one was like worse than the bomb,
and then it goes from there.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So they're just getting getting rotten, like what movie Kevin Hard?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh exactly, it's way too hot. And I remember because
I don't really like puking. I don't like when people
puke around me, and like this, oh yeah, every oh
my god, there's like puke buckets behind everything. I was like,
I was like, I get wanting reactions, but you don't
want people puking. You don't want deep, you don't want
(17:22):
deep guttural tramps, dark dark. Yeah, And because you know,
like on the show when people are like ah and screaming,
that's fun. When people are in a k hole guttural
like shutdown thing, it's just uncomfortable and then they can't.
So I remember even early on in that being.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like these are too hot. But we always make it
to the first commercial break.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
We have smoked the mouth. So I remember like, I'm
not uh it was I'm happy I did it. It
was a good experience. And the people in Atlanta and uh,
people at Turner and everybody who was like super awesome
to work with, but looking back on it, like I
understand completely wide failed, you know, like it had no
chance murdering.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It was nuts. Yeah, they're just like medical attention, yeah
was there.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, Yeah, we had medics on set and we put
them to you. So I remember there was like somebody
who had to get some sort of attention for it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But it was uh insurance to cover the show, and I.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Remember there was They'd always want to like update all
the time, so they'd always have me checking and you know,
how are you doing after the constrictor wing you know,
and doing And I'm like and they'd just be in
my ear being like checking with Derek, checking with Derek,
asked him how he is after the constriction, you know,
stuff like that. It was just I know I should have,
but but I think that's what ends up happening though,
(18:45):
Or what I think is interesting is you walk into
something and you see the level of success of like
all those people and you're like, well, I've only done
one this is the first show.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Look at those people, like, who the fuck are anything
exactly exactly at the time written a script, They've never hosted,
they've never done anything on camera. Why but that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Was the learning experience for me.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So I was like, oh, they get fired, they get fired,
and the revolving door, they've theirs. They're going to be
fired in like a week exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And then so I felt like, oh, well, I've only
done one show that's worked ever. You know, this is
my first show, Like what do I know? I would
be going through the same thing, but then now walking
out of it. That was another learning experience of be like, no,
I shouldn't let any anyone talk I know a Hot
Ones fan better than anyone was a Hot Ones fan.
No one should tell me exactly what the one. That
was like an experience, so you got to push back.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You just be like, hey, I know the fan base,
and this is you just got to tell them why
they're wrong over and over again. And then also like
half of what their their notes are is just like
performative bullshit to justify their job, like self centered and
self serving. That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Too, even like the decision being so risk averse, and
you know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Like they just don't want to get fired from whoever
their bosses and their bosses some other schmuck and it's
just like a fucking ladder of schmucks to the top
of exactly should mountain? But you learn, Yeah, yeah, you
live and learn.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That's so crazy, fucking rocking people to like god five
level spicy, Get them like a medium spice at first,
so that you could tell their their sweat hang, they're hot,
but they're answering the question, and then you go up.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Then then you build towards Act three. You get you can't.
I get you don't want to start out with like
Taco Bell mild, but you gotta, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
The craziest ship, the balance, the craziest. This is just
now coming back to me, But before the game show started,
there'd be a time where we'd go to the production
house that was doing it and they'd have a room
like this. They clear everything out and you'd just be
drilling all the games. So then when you actually start
shooting shows like the games are our second nature to right.
But then what they would do is they'd hire I think,
(20:50):
like just day act like day rate actors, you know,
people that would otherwise just be extras in a toothpaste
commercial or something to come in and they'd be drilling
the games but actually eating the wings for real. And
I remember thinking at the time, like why do they
even need to eat the wings? Like this is mostly
just about drilling it for me?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Ye die wait this was what what was this? This
was like a rehearsal.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, like in rehearsal kind of situation.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And this wasn't for on camera or it wasn't it
wasn't No, they were just they were just this wasn't
for the show.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
They were just drilling the things. But I guess they
probably had to lock in the spice to you know,
they probably had to lock in how hot these things was.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Like, so there's like background actors getting rocked like a
lab rat kind of setting.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Dude, like a documentary and no, it was amazing. I
remember at one point being like, we need to get
them milkshakes because they like they'd be like they'd be
like Sean Hey, on that last read, you called it
the two hundred dollars question. It's not the two hundred
dollars questions a question for two hundred dollars, So let's
reset new wings like.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Blah blah blah. Like these people just like.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Then like I'm like we can't, no, no, no, we
got to get them some milkshake or something. This isn't
and they'd be like, oh yeah, you can tell they
wouldn't even like, weren't even thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
All right, get some milkshakes.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So anyways, but so that was a short lived but
pretty wild experience.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's wild. That's wild ship. Could you update? I guess
you don't need to, but could you do a half
hour version for television of hot Ones?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I mean I guess it would be almost it's
almost like, ain't broke, don't fix it. That's I mean,
that's vision all up. That's how I think. Exactly, you
got a good thing going exactly, change the formula. That's
that's what I say.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It's just like, if this is where people get it
and this is how they like it and they know
how it's delivered, why mess around with any.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So I've never really like you can monitorze. You're monetizing
YouTube right like you're monetizing.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it's not like you know.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
How much you got liquid right now? But go to
your chase three hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
With aerdre.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
With aerdre, what's the worst bomb you've ever seen live?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Nothing that's super crystallized.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Or any like any other thing you've.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Seen in like I've been to some Killed Tony shows
or whatever, you know, but that's just like I've.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Gone to those, go to those.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, so that's the show. Uh so here's how
it works.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Me to do it, and I just.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
No, you should do it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's fun. It's fun.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's a fun show. So basically what it is is
just pulling out of the hat like total amateurs to
do a minute on stage, you know, and then they
it's kind of like.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
A minute of regular written material or you have to
improvise your material.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
No, you could do it's it's people want to be
comedians or whatever putting in. But it's not somebody that's
actually work like not somebody who's like.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Up and coming. Yeah, like uh, not amateur in a
bad way, but like open.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It's like an American Idol audition for comedians basically, and
then it's just rapid fire.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Is it called kill Tony. I don't know why it's.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Called kill Tony. Tony hingeclik does it, So maybe there's some.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
But do they have to like go toe to toe
with Tony at the end of it, I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Actually, I just I just accept. I just accepted. At
face value and walked in and sit down. But I've
gone to a couple of them, and that'll be like
a rapid fire bomb, you know what I mean. So
it'll just be.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Like it's just one first time or is like getting
up there, yeah yeah and eating it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
It would be like just kids from high school trying
to fill a minute or something.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You know what I mean, it's the longest minute of
their life. Yeah, so you've seen some panic attacks there, Yeah, definitely. Yeah, Yeah,
I love that ship. I love, I love I'm such
an anxious person. I like relish and people's like nerves
and anxiety because it makes like nothing's more likable. If
I see you like you've monetized that. Yeah. Yeah, if
I could like bring you down to my level of misery,
(25:01):
like they make her click my heels, constant fucking medical
misery of anxiety disorder. What's the most wasted you've been
at work?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So Dave Grohl came.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
In whiskey in my mouth. It said buckle up.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Butter good really literally, So he came in. He brought
a bottle of Crown Royal and he's like, I'm gonna
go wing for He's like, I'm gonna go wing for
wing with you, and you're gonna go shot for shot
with me.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh, he shaded you shot for shot. He was disgusting.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
We cleaned out an entire bottle of Crown Royal and
so you know, a hot one shoot is like an
hour forty five minutes to an hour. Yeah, No, I
rallied through. I rallied through, and it was like a
ten am shoot.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I remember, you.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Know, I walked.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Do you have other things to do that day?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No? I had the schedule clear, but I remember kind
of stumbling out. I don't even smoke cigarettes, but I
was just smoking cigs with Dave outside and it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It was it was actually all that sounds like the
best day of your life. It was awesome. You were hammered.
So this one, Yeah, yeah, you can watch it. You
can watch it. Amazing girl drinks like that. He could
put it down. Yeah. Yeah, that day sober for some reason.
Not that day, not that my friend worked in radio.
(26:15):
He said. David Girl was the nicest. He is the
nicest interview he's ever done in his career. He said,
he interviewed everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I agree with that, and he said.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Out of everyone I've ever interviewed David Girl. Yeah, like
hands down champion to interview. He said, he's like super open,
you can ask him anything, so down to earth.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
But I find that to be the case of a
lot of people that have been in the game a
long time, you know, that have come out the other
side of that. Those are kind of my favorite people
to interview.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But I think they've been in the game for a
long time because they're easy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Actually that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I think when you're so you become so difficult to
work with. It doesn't matter how famous you are, how
successfully are people are, Like you're a monster. Everybody is replaceable.
So I think that I think I think somebody was talking.
I think Samuel Jackson was talking about that. He's like,
even at my level, I can't start being a fucking
(27:10):
total asshole. Heuld be a little bit of an.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Ass Yeah, yeah, just a little bit a little sprinkle play.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
People could be a little bit of a curmudgeon. But
if you're monstrous, that's a good point, you know, won't
names well, Sean, Hey, it could have been done and
we did it. I should have done something like, in hindsight,
I was not prepared. We should have done. I don't
know what the equivalent of Hot Sauce or Crown Royal,
but I should have done a dating role to you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Well, you know what it was like we were talking
before when you're like, oh, can't I just like talk
about my movie or whatever? You know, sometimes there's no
need to overproduce, you know what I'm saying. Put a
concept to it. Like last night I was watching the
football game. They had this pregame show where it was
like Patrick Mahomes getting interviewed, but they like they're like
having a catch and they were like throwing a football
around and I was like, and this is like and
(27:58):
they have to like yell at each other like while
they're doing the interview because they're playing. And I was like,
what happened to just people sit and sit down and talking?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Did I ruin?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
This?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Is this my influence?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
That's not I feel like maybe I'm leaving the world
the worst place to.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Because your your thing has it's not rigid Like that
feels very like tossing the ball and yelling feels very
like they're overthinking. Yeah, yours has like a there's no
rigidity to it. It feels like it feels like a
casual hang because you would eat hot chicken wings with
your friends, you know what I mean. So that's relatable.
That's not like, hey, what's up man, indoors? Father and
(28:37):
son fucking ball catching indoors too, grown man? What could
I have done? That was like a hot hot wing challenge?
What is?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
What is?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
What causes you, uh discomfort in a challenging way, like
whiskey and hot sauce.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, but they also kind of care nice, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
They do because does an alcohol cut the cut the
little bit? Because I think it was it was either
Jamie Oliver or or Alton Brown that was like the
only thing you can do is animal fat or booze,
right to get the heat. Yeah, It's either got to
be milk, yeah, butter buttermilk or or ice cream some
animal fat to cut it, yeah, or alcohol right yeah,
(29:17):
because water doesn't cut it.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
No, it just kind of moves it around.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It just moves around the heat. Yeah, it's got to
be milk like milkshakes, right, yeah, and go to for
heat reduction.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
As our guests have gotten more and more famous over
the years, the milks have become more and more exotic,
you know. And then now people are like substituted in
milk that's you know, not whole. You know, it's just
crazy la milks, you know, and without a yeah yeah
almond and might as well be drinking water.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah yeah. Wait a minute. What's your most successful hot ones?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Gordon Ramsey by far, I think Billy Eilis Like Billy
Eilish is our second biggest episode. It has like half
as many views as Gordon. That thing has like one
hundred and thirty million views or something something like that.
But I think what it was is when we first
started doing the show, he was the most quested guest
by far. You know, I almost felt bad for when
we started putting out episodes because it's be like on
(30:05):
the show this week, Eric Andre and all the comments back,
where's Gordon Ramsey? When's Gordon Ramsey?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I felt like almost impossible to do the show until
we got him in. And I think it makes sense,
you like the food component. I think people want to
see him like yell at us about the quality of
the wings, like I think he just naturally fit that
chair so well. And so then when it finally happened,
it was like an internet fever dream coming.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Together, blooded guy. People wanted to see him. Yeah, how
did he do? Awesome? And he's took wings down?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, he's actually and he came back and did it again.
Actually we did a holiday special tailor and I've had
dinner in Hell's kitchen before. No, he's not like he's
Dave Groll off the camera.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yea, yeah, yeah, there's no way that he that's got
to be performed. Yeah. Yeah, he's a reality people that
are like as sweet as pie. And I'm like, why
did they make you do this? This is like Simon
Cowell model of I guess you got to put you
You got to inject drama. Conflict, Yeah, conflict. Maybe that's
what I trying to do the whole time.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Maybe maybe he has a three dimensional chests kind of
attitude about it and he's trying to inject some conflict. Yeah.
I really actually do believe part of that because he
was so sweet off camera talking about Johnny Mitchell or whatever,
and that he was like doing the stick. I could
see that if I was like twenty two years old
and also felt like nervous, he felt nervous. He felt
like it felt like this like anxiety to deliver something
(31:28):
edge lordy and controversial, and I was like, all right, man,
you're bumming everybody out. Even his manager was like, fuck.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Sean, thank you man, thank you with Avery Codre.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Hey, before you go, I want to let you know
I got a new book out that I wrote with
my friend Dan Curry. It is called Dumb Ideas Behind
the Scenes Expose am making pranks and other stupid creative
endeavors and how you can also too. It's out now
and you can get it anywhere you buy books or
audio books. Now, here's a special clip from the audio book,
just for you. I always dreamed of being arrested while
doing comedy. Then I finally did. During season one of
(32:05):
The Eric Gondra Show, I went to a town all
meeting dressed like a frat boy. While the mayor of
this pode On, California town called Rancho Kucamonga no joke,
was babbling on about god knows what. I dressed like
a frat boy, ran up to the podium and said, hey,
y'all vote for me for class president, and I'll put
beer in the water fountains and cameras in the girls'
locker rooms.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Woo go, Bobcats.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
This half baked character was inspired by any Porky's loving
dipshit from my first high school kinda. If you read
that last sentence and got the porky reference, give yourself
a pork sandwich, then poke a gloryhole in your own shower.
That movie didn't age well. This evening town hall meeting
was attended by the mayor and twelve sheriffs. These municipal
hot shots didn't share my sense of humor and promptly
(32:49):
detained me. The sun was setting, the air was thick.
I was on a high. The sheriff's escorted me outside
of the parking lot and kept asking for my name.
I told them my name was John Coltrane. They kept
trying to look me up in their cop car laptop
and they would lament, you're not coming up in the system, Coltrane.
This one cop came up to me and went how
many drugs are you on? And I was stone cold sober,
(33:11):
so I self cued the classic sobriety test and started
nailing them. Still in character, I leaned my head back
and started tapping my nose and saying the alphabet backwards flawlessly,
ze why XWVUT. Then I walked in a straight line
over and over again. These sheriffs were beside themselves. This
is the most sober idiot we've ever seen. Finally, the
(33:33):
head boss sheriff softened. I don't want to arrest you, guy,
but I just have to arrest you since you made
such a scene in front of my boss. Poor guy,
he just had to arrest me. I can't imagine the
emotional pain and trauma he suffered while cuffing me with
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Hey, do you know where you are? I? Sure? Do
you listening to another episode of Bombing with Eric Andre,
where I talk with friends, comedians, musicians, and other creative
people about their worst moments on stage. We're talking about
the spiciest moments. So today it felt right to sit
down with the host and creator of Hot Ones, Sean Evans.
Dear friend. We both took a trip down memory lane
(00:21):
about a bombing moment. We experienced it together. Let's get
into it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Bombing Boming with Eric Andre.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
All right, well, so what's a bomb for him? Just
a shitty interview.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Shitty interview.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
When you said that it clearly hates white people.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
When you said that, that was immediately the thing that
I thought about. You know, it's like about bombing because
you know, you think hot Ones would fly off the
rails all the time, but it's usually a very positive
shoot experience, you know, like, no matter the emotional rollercoaster throughout,
it usually ends in a hug. So I don't really
have that many So of this is uncomfortable kind of interviews.
(01:02):
When I look at the cattle the hot Ones catalog, Yeah,
but that one with you me and Vas, Yeah, if
I look back on the hundreds of interviews that I've
done in my life, that's the one that crystallized is
maybe the most.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, he clearly doesn't like to do press. I was
kind of like I would have turned to him and
be like, you don't have to do this, Like this
was just to promote your stuff, Like none of us
have to be here. You don't have to be here, right,
if you don't want to promote your stuff, just go oh,
go away here, like go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
In his defense, though, I remember the whole conceit for
this thing was so stupid.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So I think what was happening he was confusing, was
super confused. I didn't really know what it was. What
were we supposed to do? What the purpose together? So
here's what I think happened.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Wece used to do those interviews would be like Mac
DeMarco talking to Asap Rocky or something. You're like two
musicians talking shot. So I think complex saw that. I
was like, Oh, we need to do our version of that,
but we should leverage our hosts and Bob, you know,
like it's when people start making decisions that have nothing
to do with making a good interview or making a
good video. It's motivated by other things, you know, yeah,
(02:07):
but or like just we're going to put our hosts
like leverage our complex brand, put our like we're gonna
take the magic of this thing, but insert a certain
like this is ours, and who knows what that means.
They can spin it off, sell it different ways or whatever,
you know. But I remember thinking that's so stupid, because
the reason the Vice thing kind of works is it's
(02:27):
two musicians talking shop or two comedians talking shops. Right,
introducing a host, it's like putting pickles on peanut butter
and jelly sandwich. It makes no sense, and it actually
flies in the face of like the exact thing that
makes that whole thing work right, and it it inserts
just a distracting element to the whole thing. So I
(02:48):
remember thinking on its face that this is dumb, that
this is purposeless. And then even the sets like all
spaceshipped out and beard like it made no sense. So
I actually maybe even like kind of understand were coming from.
But I almost like barely, Like I remember three minutes
into that being like, oh, I can't wait to get
in the car.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I was like, this is tense, and he clearly doesn't
want to be here, but you know, before the cameras
turned on, he was like sweet as pumpkin pie. When
I was just talking to him, like before we started shooting,
he was like, I was like, what are you listening
to lately? He's like, oh, Joni Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I was like what.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And then like as soon as the camera started, there
was like a one eighty c change. It was like
very tense and like but I could tell he was
also like it was like shtick, like he was trying
to be like edge Lord kind of like you know
in a way and like militant, but like not in
a comedic way. So I was like trying to like
cut the tension, and I was like, I think in
(03:42):
the middle, I was like what is this?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And then I think in the YouTube kind of ended up.
I felt like kind of trading some things too, and
so then I kind of felt like I was in
the middle of something.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, you know, well, I was like, shit, am I
in Like I felt like I was in the principals office.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I was like, what a.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What am I in trouble for?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I was like I'm here to promote, like a
dumb eleven minute talk show idea.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But what you but what you said is something that
I always think about, Like if.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I don't remember, I don't think I ever watched it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Neither did I I didn't, I don't think it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I was like, Oh, that sucked. And I was doing
like a few things press wise that my publicist this
is like in the beginning, you just say yes to
everything right career, and there was a few things I
did that I regretted. So I was just it was
in that era in the early stages of the show
where I was like I did something. It was like
nylon or neon or one of these like fashion kind
(04:36):
of and they like there was like a fashionista kind
of Bruno character there, like dressing me up in some
like thing. And I was like, I don't really, I
don't model or wear this shit, and they were like, oh,
just do it. And I looked at my publicists, I
was like, can I do it? Like ironically, but then
you don't get to pick the pictures. You don't select
the pictures, so you better enjoy what you are where
(05:00):
and what you're doing because you don't get to pick.
There's no editor. You're not in the edit. So, uh,
it was around that era that I did that, and
I was like, I gotta like be careful about saying
yes to everything because that was a fucking bummer. What
was your takeaway from it? And have we given enough
context as the audience and what the fuck we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Ryal?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, I think we kind of set it up. It
was just it was trying. It was trying to be
actors on actors, but they inserted a host for no
reason and then it went sideways, which of course it
was going to do, you know, but what you said,
I do kind of I think about that sometimes when
someone comes in, because you never know what they're gonna
come in with, you know, like they can be you know,
like oh, I'm in a new phase of my like
(05:38):
artistic journey and I'm come in like you know, and
sometimes I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to do a
commercial for you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, totally. Yeah. Well it felt disingenuous because I saw
how he behaved before the cameras turned on and then
he like put on a put on an act and
I was like, no, you're way more interesting yourself. You're
way more intriguing and likable and relatable being yourself. Like
when I was talking to him off camera, I was
(06:05):
like I was leaning in. I was like fascinated, and
then he was. So it was a bummer, you know.
It was like rebel without a cause. Though it wasn't
like it wasn't it wasn't activism. It was just like.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Nihilism.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It was nihilism. What was your takeaway? I didn't. I
didn't have I don't want to watch it again. Yeah,
it's probably not that when watch it, it was it
was just a feeling in the room.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, it was probably more yeah, like less tangible
than but but I don't I mean philosophically the way
I look at interviews the same way as movies, like
they should either be good or really bad, you know
what I mean, Like the middle of the road doesn't
do anything for me. So like sometimes those things are uncomfortable,
but I never when I walk away from him, I'm
(06:55):
always like, well that's you know, it's compelling.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, so and then I try not to take myself
too seriously or like whatever when I walk away from
those things. So that's just like kind of fine.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But is that the worst did I experience? Your biggest bomb.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I'm telling you, I think that's that's like if I
look back while it was happening, the feeling that I
had where I was almost I barely remember because I
was just kind of like disassociated the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But fine, I was like, oh this thing. But thinking
about getting in the car, you seem just like, huh
great anyway, and I was like, maybe this is like
every other day for you, getting like curmudgeon. Well sometimes
because musicians in it happens, yeah, because like, uh, celebrities
are lunatics. It's like the majority of them. They're like
(07:43):
severely mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And just doing an interview. So bizarre because then you
meet people for the first time, and then you have
to create this trust, this rhythm, this energy, this chemistry
in this ridiculous context, you know what I mean. That's
what makes it so. But you always walk away with
those things learning something thing like even walking away from that.
You know, the same way that you were talking about
putting yourself in a bad situation with the Nylon thing,
(08:05):
like same with me. It's like, oh, well that was
a bad situation. I could see it coming from a
mile away. I did it anyway, and it went as
badly as I thought it was going to go. So
then that makes you think, all right, in the future,
I can if trust your instincts on something like.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That and.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Exactly, and if you can't see the concept clearly, then
don't do it, you know what I mean, like if
it's if it's messy at all, And so then you
start to think about, all right, well, I need to
control these things a little bit more so you can
walk away from those things with certain lessons and but overall,
I just think, you know, try your best to research somebody,
put it, put together an interview that you hope works,
(08:44):
and I always stay true to that process. So then
if it doesn't go according to plan, then that's okay.
I did my best, you know, and go on to
the next one. There's always the next one.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah, there's always something new. And yeah, I guess
failure is the greatest teacher. But I just say no,
crust your instincts and just saying no, And like that's
not just for career stuff. It's like throughout life. You know,
I'm such a people pleaser, and I just go yeah, yeah, sure,
and then hey, you want to go do this, like yeah, yeah, sure,
and I don't know why the fuck I did. I
(09:15):
learned it from my parents. But like even if you
want to say yeah, yeah, sure, I have to like
practice like just like not saying anything at first, right,
and then saying something a vague in between, so I
can sleep on it and really check in with my
gut and see how I feel.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
What do you see? The What do you see is
the value of a promo cycle, you know, like the
value of even doing press, of even sitting down and
like doing interviews with people, especially back then, there's a
million for the show.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like you're like, what's even Like, Oh I get on
this and somebody's gonna see me and actually go to
the show. Do you think that that happens?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, I mean without marketing. Look at Barbie. Look at
a Barbie movie, right, it's a fucking genius. Well, they
do two things that was brilliant with the marketing. Hey, Barbie,
is this like tried and true intellectual property that's been
around for one hundred years that's controversial. So controversy brings
media attention and internet attention to it. And uh, it's
(10:12):
already like this established brand and and they combined forces
for some reason, for a very smart reason. With the
Oppenheimer marketing there was like all these like conjoined memes
and they both, you know, they're both making two billion
dollars at the box office. So I think marketing is
(10:34):
crucial inundated with so much media.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, but it's such a fractured media landscape, you know
what I mean. Like back in the day, there was
like a couple a handful of shows you know that
people are tuning into TV channel exactly. Now there's like
a million that.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, you got to market even harder than ever.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, it's a volume.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Game with a condre with aerdre.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
What about like up and coming when you were like
a young journalist.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, well I actually I liked my gigs before I
ever had something like this. I was, you know, I
worked for the park District when I was in high school,
just slinging gatorades and like hot dogs at slow pitch
like rex softball leagues.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And then my other job after that in college, I
do architecture tours of the Chicago River and Lake Michigan
is like a dosin with like the Chicago Architecture as
a tour guide with the Architecture Foundation, and this boat
company called the First Lady, and that was sick. Like
I love doing that too.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Do you ever get fired from anything?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
No, I don't think I've ever been fired or a
frictionless experience all the way through, but I do remember
when we first started doing hot Ones, it would be
kind of an embarrassing show to do before anybody ever
heard of it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It starts sat as so bare bones, just the black
curtains hanging, and then it would have you know, like
the wings and just me sitting there.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know, I like that. It's like Charlie Rose with
chicken wings. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But as you start to like kind of grow and
break through, eventually you find yourself, you know, like renting
a suite at like the Beverly Hills Hotel, hanging those
hanging those black things from like you know, the room,
and then having like Charlie's staring come up from a
press junket to like us with like the bedly you know,
like smashed up against the wall and all the all
the sheets hanging down, and then her being like giving
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that same look to the publicist, you know, like that
ended up being fine, but you have to like win
people over, and that was like always a struggle. Nobody
had heard of us or like knew anything when they're
getting themselves into it, and then you have this ridiculous
on its face, ridiculous concept, you know what I mean.
So I always felt I remember, for years doing the show,
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I'd have a feeling of embarrassment before we started.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, it's great. I mean you
do get thrown a lot of fucking wacka do bullshit
when you're doing press sometimes, and you do have to
like constantly check in with your pubblices, be like what
am I doing? Like like especially like there are like
people that pitch you like wacka doo games, Like you're like,
this is You're gonna play the selfie Olympics, and the
fuck up, I don't want to do that. Just go
(13:20):
see the movie I did and whatever. But uh, so
I understand their apprehension. You got to kind of check
in with each especially when we tossed around those hotel rooms.
You're like yeah, yeah, yeah, like what is this? But
uh game show? Yeah was?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
What was the.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Highs and lows of the Game Show was that stressful.
Is it still going No?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
No, No, Here's how I here's how I look back
on that. The positives on it were, uh, you know,
it's fun to do it like in a big studio.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You know, they're nerve wracking. No.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I kind of liked it, you know because when you
do the stress of it, I kind of like the
performance of it, you know, I kind of like, you know,
you're so in the studio doing the interview show. There's
not many people on set, you know, it's very closed
and quiet, and that felt like a chance to like,
you know, it's like kind of doing something in the
studio and then you get to do a concert. That's
kind of how I thought of it, And it was
it was fun in Atlanta was a fun city to
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do it. They're not normal seat filler people, you know,
they're like fun and having a great time and it's
so that always felt awesome. And then you'd be like
around fans and signing hot sauce bottles and stuff, so
it felt real.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
The show. How did the game show work? What was
the premise of it? Like people had to eat hotter
and hotter, Like, yeah, it's celebrities.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, contestants, right, so it just be like these rounds
of either like a game or trivia, but before each
round they're eating this scorching hot chicken wing. But I
do remember not having not having the greatest experience going
having a TV adaptation of it or taking notes from
like a network about what this should be, you know
(14:55):
what I mean. So I think, but I think sometimes
they're just like, oh, it's like soelebrities and hot sauce,
and that's what like makes it such a hit, you
know what I mean. So they it would be very
celebrity driven kind of trivia and stuff, but I'm like,
I know, my audience not this kind of dumb, you know.
So I felt like the trivia was dumb. I felt
like the games were dumb. Like I kind of wanted
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it to be a little more cash cab kind of thing,
you know, like something that I know people can play
along to. But then they'll, like mark, you know, they'll
focus group test something, and then with whatever the demographic
is for the advertisers that they have, and that ends
up like dictating the show.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know, they run creativity like a fucking accountant.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, So I saw that, and then and then the
output from that I'm like, I know why people like
hot ones and no hot Ones fan is going to
see this and be like, oh, yeah, this is an
amazing game show, you know what I mean. So I
knew that. And while you're doing something, it's exciting, and
especially at that time, it was super exciting. But then
when I was on the plane home, you know, it's
(15:56):
such a whirlwind because you shoot like twenty five episodes
in ten days or whatever. And then when I was
on the plane ride home, I remember being like.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
A what's that going to look like?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know, but I thought, you know, working with the
contestants is great. The other thing was the wings were
way too hot, you know, because that's like spicy. Wait,
just way too spicy is like just way too way
too impossible to deal. Oh, you were like chilling killing them.
Because the other side of it is the people. I
(16:24):
think there was puking.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I think there was.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Pukinger from Massachusetts or whatever doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
There was puking in every single episode.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I was like, I was like, this needs and then
the way that they would be explained to me, I'd
be like, you know what, how one would kind of
work them up to.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You were starting out at no one's gonna watch the
first commercial break if they're just kind of you know,
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So the first one was like worse than the bomb,
and then it goes from there.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So they're just getting getting rotten, like what movie Kevin Hard?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh exactly, it's way too hot. And I remember because
I don't really like puking. I don't like when people
puke around me, and like this, oh yeah, every oh
my god, there's like puke buckets behind everything. I was like,
I was like, I get wanting reactions, but you don't
want people puking. You don't want deep, you don't want
(17:22):
deep guttural tramps, dark dark. Yeah, And because you know,
like on the show when people are like ah and screaming,
that's fun. When people are in a k hole guttural
like shutdown thing, it's just uncomfortable and then they can't.
So I remember even early on in that being.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like these are too hot. But we always make it
to the first commercial break.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
We have smoked the mouth. So I remember like, I'm
not uh it was I'm happy I did it. It
was a good experience. And the people in Atlanta and uh,
people at Turner and everybody who was like super awesome
to work with, but looking back on it, like I
understand completely wide failed, you know, like it had no
chance murdering.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It was nuts. Yeah, they're just like medical attention, yeah
was there.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, Yeah, we had medics on set and we put
them to you. So I remember there was like somebody
who had to get some sort of attention for it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But it was uh insurance to cover the show, and I.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Remember there was They'd always want to like update all
the time, so they'd always have me checking and you know,
how are you doing after the constrictor wing you know,
and doing And I'm like and they'd just be in
my ear being like checking with Derek, checking with Derek,
asked him how he is after the constriction, you know,
stuff like that. It was just I know I should have,
but but I think that's what ends up happening though,
(18:45):
Or what I think is interesting is you walk into
something and you see the level of success of like
all those people and you're like, well, I've only done
one this is the first show.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Look at those people, like, who the fuck are anything
exactly exactly at the time written a script, They've never hosted,
they've never done anything on camera. Why but that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Was the learning experience for me.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So I was like, oh, they get fired, they get fired,
and the revolving door, they've theirs. They're going to be
fired in like a week exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And then so I felt like, oh, well, I've only
done one show that's worked ever. You know, this is
my first show, Like what do I know? I would
be going through the same thing, but then now walking
out of it. That was another learning experience of be like, no,
I shouldn't let any anyone talk I know a Hot
Ones fan better than anyone was a Hot Ones fan.
No one should tell me exactly what the one. That
was like an experience, so you got to push back.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You just be like, hey, I know the fan base,
and this is you just got to tell them why
they're wrong over and over again. And then also like
half of what their their notes are is just like
performative bullshit to justify their job, like self centered and
self serving. That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Too, even like the decision being so risk averse, and
you know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Like they just don't want to get fired from whoever
their bosses and their bosses some other schmuck and it's
just like a fucking ladder of schmucks to the top
of exactly should mountain? But you learn, Yeah, yeah, you
live and learn.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That's so crazy, fucking rocking people to like god five
level spicy, Get them like a medium spice at first,
so that you could tell their their sweat hang, they're hot,
but they're answering the question, and then you go up.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Then then you build towards Act three. You get you can't.
I get you don't want to start out with like
Taco Bell mild, but you gotta, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
The craziest ship, the balance, the craziest. This is just
now coming back to me, But before the game show started,
there'd be a time where we'd go to the production
house that was doing it and they'd have a room
like this. They clear everything out and you'd just be
drilling all the games. So then when you actually start
shooting shows like the games are our second nature to right.
But then what they would do is they'd hire I think,
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like just day act like day rate actors, you know,
people that would otherwise just be extras in a toothpaste
commercial or something to come in and they'd be drilling
the games but actually eating the wings for real. And
I remember thinking at the time, like why do they
even need to eat the wings? Like this is mostly
just about drilling it for me?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Ye die wait this was what what was this? This
was like a rehearsal.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, like in rehearsal kind of situation.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And this wasn't for on camera or it wasn't it
wasn't No, they were just they were just this wasn't
for the show.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
They were just drilling the things. But I guess they
probably had to lock in the spice to you know,
they probably had to lock in how hot these things was.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Like, so there's like background actors getting rocked like a
lab rat kind of setting.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Dude, like a documentary and no, it was amazing. I
remember at one point being like, we need to get
them milkshakes because they like they'd be like they'd be
like Sean Hey, on that last read, you called it
the two hundred dollars question. It's not the two hundred
dollars questions a question for two hundred dollars, So let's
reset new wings like.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Blah blah blah. Like these people just like.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Then like I'm like we can't, no, no, no, we
got to get them some milkshake or something. This isn't
and they'd be like, oh yeah, you can tell they
wouldn't even like, weren't even thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
All right, get some milkshakes.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So anyways, but so that was a short lived but
pretty wild experience.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's wild. That's wild ship. Could you update? I guess
you don't need to, but could you do a half
hour version for television of hot Ones?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I mean I guess it would be almost it's
almost like, ain't broke, don't fix it. That's I mean,
that's vision all up. That's how I think. Exactly, you
got a good thing going exactly, change the formula. That's
that's what I say.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It's just like, if this is where people get it
and this is how they like it and they know
how it's delivered, why mess around with any.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So I've never really like you can monitorze. You're monetizing
YouTube right like you're monetizing.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it's not like you know.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
How much you got liquid right now? But go to
your chase three hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
With aerdre.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
With aerdre, what's the worst bomb you've ever seen live?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Nothing that's super crystallized.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Or any like any other thing you've.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Seen in like I've been to some Killed Tony shows
or whatever, you know, but that's just like I've.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Gone to those, go to those.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, so that's the show. Uh so here's how
it works.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Me to do it, and I just.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
No, you should do it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's fun. It's fun.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's a fun show. So basically what it is is
just pulling out of the hat like total amateurs to
do a minute on stage, you know, and then they
it's kind of like.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
A minute of regular written material or you have to
improvise your material.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
No, you could do it's it's people want to be
comedians or whatever putting in. But it's not somebody that's
actually work like not somebody who's like.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Up and coming. Yeah, like uh, not amateur in a
bad way, but like open.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It's like an American Idol audition for comedians basically, and
then it's just rapid fire.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Is it called kill Tony. I don't know why it's.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Called kill Tony. Tony hingeclik does it, So maybe there's some.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
But do they have to like go toe to toe
with Tony at the end of it, I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Actually, I just I just accept. I just accepted. At
face value and walked in and sit down. But I've
gone to a couple of them, and that'll be like
a rapid fire bomb, you know what I mean. So
it'll just be.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Like it's just one first time or is like getting
up there, yeah yeah and eating it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
It would be like just kids from high school trying
to fill a minute or something.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You know what I mean, it's the longest minute of
their life. Yeah, so you've seen some panic attacks there, Yeah, definitely. Yeah, Yeah,
I love that ship. I love, I love I'm such
an anxious person. I like relish and people's like nerves
and anxiety because it makes like nothing's more likable. If
I see you like you've monetized that. Yeah. Yeah, if
I could like bring you down to my level of misery,
(25:01):
like they make her click my heels, constant fucking medical
misery of anxiety disorder. What's the most wasted you've been
at work?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So Dave Grohl came.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
In whiskey in my mouth. It said buckle up.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Butter good really literally, So he came in. He brought
a bottle of Crown Royal and he's like, I'm gonna
go wing for He's like, I'm gonna go wing for
wing with you, and you're gonna go shot for shot
with me.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh, he shaded you shot for shot. He was disgusting.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
We cleaned out an entire bottle of Crown Royal and
so you know, a hot one shoot is like an
hour forty five minutes to an hour. Yeah, No, I
rallied through. I rallied through, and it was like a
ten am shoot.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I remember, you.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Know, I walked.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Do you have other things to do that day?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No? I had the schedule clear, but I remember kind
of stumbling out. I don't even smoke cigarettes, but I
was just smoking cigs with Dave outside and it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It was it was actually all that sounds like the
best day of your life. It was awesome. You were hammered.
So this one, Yeah, yeah, you can watch it. You
can watch it. Amazing girl drinks like that. He could
put it down. Yeah. Yeah, that day sober for some reason.
Not that day, not that my friend worked in radio.
(26:15):
He said. David Girl was the nicest. He is the
nicest interview he's ever done in his career. He said,
he interviewed everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I agree with that, and he said.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Out of everyone I've ever interviewed David Girl. Yeah, like
hands down champion to interview. He said, he's like super open,
you can ask him anything, so down to earth.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
But I find that to be the case of a
lot of people that have been in the game a
long time, you know, that have come out the other
side of that. Those are kind of my favorite people
to interview.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
But I think they've been in the game for a
long time because they're easy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Actually that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I think when you're so you become so difficult to
work with. It doesn't matter how famous you are, how
successfully are people are, Like you're a monster. Everybody is replaceable.
So I think that I think I think somebody was talking.
I think Samuel Jackson was talking about that. He's like,
even at my level, I can't start being a fucking
(27:10):
total asshole. Heuld be a little bit of an.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Ass Yeah, yeah, just a little bit a little sprinkle play.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
People could be a little bit of a curmudgeon. But
if you're monstrous, that's a good point, you know, won't
names well, Sean, Hey, it could have been done and
we did it. I should have done something like, in hindsight,
I was not prepared. We should have done. I don't
know what the equivalent of Hot Sauce or Crown Royal,
but I should have done a dating role to you.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Well, you know what it was like we were talking
before when you're like, oh, can't I just like talk
about my movie or whatever? You know, sometimes there's no
need to overproduce, you know what I'm saying. Put a
concept to it. Like last night I was watching the
football game. They had this pregame show where it was
like Patrick Mahomes getting interviewed, but they like they're like
having a catch and they were like throwing a football
around and I was like, and this is like and
(27:58):
they have to like yell at each other like while
they're doing the interview because they're playing. And I was like,
what happened to just people sit and sit down and talking?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Did I ruin?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
This?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Is this my influence?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
That's not I feel like maybe I'm leaving the world
the worst place to.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Because your your thing has it's not rigid Like that
feels very like tossing the ball and yelling feels very
like they're overthinking. Yeah, yours has like a there's no
rigidity to it. It feels like it feels like a
casual hang because you would eat hot chicken wings with
your friends, you know what I mean. So that's relatable.
That's not like, hey, what's up man, indoors? Father and
(28:37):
son fucking ball catching indoors too, grown man? What could
I have done? That was like a hot hot wing challenge?
What is?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
What is?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
What causes you, uh discomfort in a challenging way, like
whiskey and hot sauce.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, but they also kind of care nice, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
They do because does an alcohol cut the cut the
little bit? Because I think it was it was either
Jamie Oliver or or Alton Brown that was like the
only thing you can do is animal fat or booze,
right to get the heat. Yeah, It's either got to
be milk, yeah, butter buttermilk or or ice cream some
animal fat to cut it, yeah, or alcohol right yeah,
(29:17):
because water doesn't cut it.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
No, it just kind of moves it around.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It just moves around the heat. Yeah, it's got to
be milk like milkshakes, right, yeah, and go to for
heat reduction.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
As our guests have gotten more and more famous over
the years, the milks have become more and more exotic,
you know. And then now people are like substituted in
milk that's you know, not whole. You know, it's just
crazy la milks, you know, and without a yeah yeah
almond and might as well be drinking water.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah yeah. Wait a minute. What's your most successful hot ones?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Gordon Ramsey by far, I think Billy Eilis Like Billy
Eilish is our second biggest episode. It has like half
as many views as Gordon. That thing has like one
hundred and thirty million views or something something like that.
But I think what it was is when we first
started doing the show, he was the most quested guest
by far. You know, I almost felt bad for when
we started putting out episodes because it's be like on
(30:05):
the show this week, Eric Andre and all the comments back,
where's Gordon Ramsey? When's Gordon Ramsey?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I felt like almost impossible to do the show until
we got him in. And I think it makes sense,
you like the food component. I think people want to
see him like yell at us about the quality of
the wings, like I think he just naturally fit that
chair so well. And so then when it finally happened,
it was like an internet fever dream coming.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Together, blooded guy. People wanted to see him. Yeah, how
did he do? Awesome? And he's took wings down?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, he's actually and he came back and did it again.
Actually we did a holiday special tailor and I've had
dinner in Hell's kitchen before. No, he's not like he's
Dave Groll off the camera.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yea, yeah, yeah, there's no way that he that's got
to be performed. Yeah. Yeah, he's a reality people that
are like as sweet as pie. And I'm like, why
did they make you do this? This is like Simon
Cowell model of I guess you got to put you
You got to inject drama. Conflict, Yeah, conflict. Maybe that's
what I trying to do the whole time.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Maybe maybe he has a three dimensional chests kind of
attitude about it and he's trying to inject some conflict. Yeah.
I really actually do believe part of that because he
was so sweet off camera talking about Johnny Mitchell or whatever,
and that he was like doing the stick. I could
see that if I was like twenty two years old
and also felt like nervous, he felt nervous. He felt
like it felt like this like anxiety to deliver something
(31:28):
edge lordy and controversial, and I was like, all right, man,
you're bumming everybody out. Even his manager was like, fuck.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Sean, thank you man, thank you with Avery Codre.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Hey, before you go, I want to let you know
I got a new book out that I wrote with
my friend Dan Curry. It is called Dumb Ideas Behind
the Scenes Expose am making pranks and other stupid creative
endeavors and how you can also too. It's out now
and you can get it anywhere you buy books or
audio books. Now, here's a special clip from the audio book,
just for you. I always dreamed of being arrested while
doing comedy. Then I finally did. During season one of
(32:05):
The Eric Gondra Show, I went to a town all
meeting dressed like a frat boy. While the mayor of
this pode On, California town called Rancho Kucamonga no joke,
was babbling on about god knows what. I dressed like
a frat boy, ran up to the podium and said, hey,
y'all vote for me for class president, and I'll put
beer in the water fountains and cameras in the girls'
locker rooms.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Woo go, Bobcats.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
This half baked character was inspired by any Porky's loving
dipshit from my first high school kinda. If you read
that last sentence and got the porky reference, give yourself
a pork sandwich, then poke a gloryhole in your own shower.
That movie didn't age well. This evening town hall meeting
was attended by the mayor and twelve sheriffs. These municipal
hot shots didn't share my sense of humor and promptly
(32:49):
detained me. The sun was setting, the air was thick.
I was on a high. The sheriff's escorted me outside
of the parking lot and kept asking for my name.
I told them my name was John Coltrane. They kept
trying to look me up in their cop car laptop
and they would lament, you're not coming up in the system, Coltrane.
This one cop came up to me and went how
many drugs are you on? And I was stone cold sober,
(33:11):
so I self cued the classic sobriety test and started
nailing them. Still in character, I leaned my head back
and started tapping my nose and saying the alphabet backwards flawlessly,
ze why XWVUT. Then I walked in a straight line
over and over again. These sheriffs were beside themselves. This
is the most sober idiot we've ever seen. Finally, the
(33:33):
head boss sheriff softened. I don't want to arrest you, guy,
but I just have to arrest you since you made
such a scene in front of my boss. Poor guy,
he just had to arrest me. I can't imagine the
emotional pain and trauma he suffered while cuffing me with
a recondre. All right, listen up, we got something special
(33:54):
for you. Got a burning story that you're itching to
tell about when you bombed or absolutely failed in life.
Now's your chance to tell me all about it, babe.
I want to hear your worst, most cringe worthy what
the fuck was I thinking? What just happened moment? So
pick up your phone and dial seven one six Bombing.
That's seven one six two six six twenty four sixty
(34:16):
four and leave me a voicemail and we might just
play it on a future episode. Bombing with Eric Andre
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Our producer is Bei Wang Our research assistant is David Carliner,
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