March 5, 2024 • 50 mins
Ellie and Scott are joined by Emmy-nominated actress and comedian, D'Arcy Carden. D'Arcy shares her love of board games. The three discuss Pop-O-Matics, the mobile version of Ticket to Ride, and the confusion that arises when you correctly call one of two dice a "die." Plus, Scott shares with Ellie how much he loves hearing his kids' earnest attempts at zingers!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
No, no, no No, Born to Love, Scott.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I added in a couple of notes there because I
got a little extra pep in my step.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was a little bit jazzy at the time and
then hard rock at the end.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh yeah. Welcome to bourn to Love with Ellie Kemper.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And Scott Eckerd.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
This is our.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Podcast where we have a guest on every week to
talk about something that they love. It can be an activity,
it can be a food, it can be a dog,
it can be a hairstyle, it can be anything in
the world that they love. And today we are so
excited because we have on someone we love, Darcy Cardon, actress, writer,
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performer and now podcaster. She is going to talk to
us about her love of board games and we can't
wait for now. Scott, I want to ask you about
your week.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
How was it?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It was great, Ellie that we had a rainy weekend
and my whole family was stuck indoors and it was
a real love hate kind of experience because I liked
spending time with my family. But on the other hand,
you know, there's only so many movies you can watch
in the rain. How about you? How was your week?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We had a similar, different precipitation, frozen rain also known
as snow. It was water that froze and it was
wet snow, so it wasn't the kind of snow you
could sled in. And at first it's so cozy being inside,
and then it gets a little nutty. But no complaints.
Complaints are not conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Complaints are not conversation. Did you see that on a
T shirt? Ellie?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I saw it on a bumper sticker. Complaints are not conversation.
I will not be starting that kind of talk. So, Scott,
what's something in particular that you loved this week?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, the in particular that I loved this week, Ellie,
is probably going to get me in trouble, and by
probably I mean almost certainly. And it's something that that
I should hate, but I I secretly delight in. And
here's what it is. I kind of love it when
my kids are like overtly insulting to me.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I need explain more.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I want it so hard to understand.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, So here's here's what I don't like as a parent.
And even if you're not a parent, I think you'll
understand this. I don't especially like it when my children
completely ignore me, or are just insolent, or are throwing
a tantrum about this or that those things are no fun. No,
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but my kids are just now reaching the age where
they think that they can fire some zingers, and often
the zingers are not well calibrated. So I'll give you
I'll give you an example of one. I asked my
son to finish his peace. This was a while back,
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but it's stuck in my memory. I asked my son
to finish his peace. He didn't want to finish his peace.
I said, Jack, you got to finish your piece. And
he goes, oh, yeah, you're bad at your job, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Not only disproportionate response, but a completely like in Congress,
is that the world?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, it's completed. Nothing to do with food. It just
he just went right to like, I don't know what
he thought was my deepest insecurity saying you're bad at
your job. And then the reason I brought it up
is that during this rainy weekend, we were actually playing
a game, which is you know, fitting, since Darcy's going
to talk to us about her love of games.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It almost like you planned it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's almost like I planned it. But I didn't. That's
just kismet. But we're playing a game, and my daughter
was like in just a foul mood. She was just
there was nothing that could be said that wouldn't get
her going right. You'd offer her a card in this
game or whatever, and she'd be like, thanks a lot,
just with complete and total venom. And all of us
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in the family knew she was in such a bad mood.
We tried our very best to like tread lightly and
be nice, and finally my wife said, Jenny, I'm done.
You have officially exhausted me. And then, in less than
one second, like instantaneously sitcom timing, my daughter goes, do
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I get a medal? No, my draw, you've officially exhausted me.
Do I get a med all?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I mean both of those retorts, like larger than retorts,
like written sitcom lines, are absolutely fantastic and so funny
that they're not insulting when it's so over the top.
I mean, you've got to be kidding me, and bless them,
they're just trying to get through it. But I mean,
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those are pretty brilliant responses from both of your kids.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Have your children ever really zinged you Ellie, are they
not quite old enough yet?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I'm somewhat unsingable, but because I'm so strong with such
a thick skin, but I will say that they, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
They are four and seven.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
In terms of like insults, we haven't gotten there yet.
And after this little glimpse of like the hope of
you know, insults future, I am so I'm giddy for
what I have ahead of me.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There's an essential truthfulness to two kids. They really just
cut to the core, and it's because they haven't learned
how to be diplomatic, right, Like that is a skill
that that hopefully we learn as we mature, and my kids,
at least they don't got it.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, it's nice not to have a filter, to be
perfectly honest with you. And it's hard to teach them
the filter because you sort of want them to remain unfiltered.
But manners and common decency require that we, you know,
teach them what's polite and what's not. But let's, you know,
cherish these moments while we can, while they're still just
telling it, you know, speaking of telling it like it is.
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I'm going to tell you that I am ecstatic to
talk to Darcy Cardin about her love of board games.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We love Darcy.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
She is an Emmy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Nominated actress and comedian. She played Janet on NBC's The
Good Place. She started a League of their Own Barry
and broad City.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Darcy also earn the.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Incomparable honor of star baker on The Great American Baking Show.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
This is wait a minute, the Great American Baking Show.
I've heard of that. Who's the host of the Great
American Baking Show?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
My gosh, it's these two legends, this guy Zach Cherry
and this.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Icon just Princess Ellie.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Kemper, unsingable, the unsingable Ellie.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Kemper, singable Ellie Kemper. Yes, no, that's that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I got to know Darcy even better during that show.
She is a fantastic baker, but more than that, an
all around wonderful human being. She's the host of the
podcast Wikihole from SmartLess Media. This new series is now
out on Wondery Plus and all podcast platforms. As we mentioned,
Darcy's here today to talk to us about her love
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of board games and Scott.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I can't wait to begin the conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I'm thrilled, I'm excited. I like board games and I
like Darcy, So stick around.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Stick around.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
We are back with the brilliant Darcy Garden. Darcy, thank
you so much for being on our show.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Thank you so much for having me. Ellie god By
are here, Darcy excited.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We're excited. I have several feelings about your love. They're complicated,
they're rich. But why don't you start us off? You
love board games?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I do? I do now. I almost hesitated in bringing
this to you because I don't have like a wide variety. Okay,
I'm not like down to just play any old board game,
y yea. But the ones that I love, I love
so much. And what I've recently realized is I have never,
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in my life, not once been the person who says
that I'm done with a board game. I always want
to play another one. I've never been the one that's like, Okay,
this is it right or whatever. I'm always like down
to play a second game of third game. I never
want to be done.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Now, what is I envy that?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
First of all, I wish I had that love of
I am the one who's like, can't wait for it
to be over, it's oh.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So funny and totally legit like that that I don't
know what I was gonna say. It's like my brain
turns off, but I guess it does the opposite. It
hits all the good, the little good. Yeah, yep, neurons.
What neurons? Neurons?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You know, but I have to ask immediately what are
not the repertoire? What's what?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I'm Yeah? So which ones do I love? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I love? And also tell me if you think these
counts board games, I think they do. Taboo. Oh yeah,
that's very like nineties early two thousands. Okay, speaking of
nineties scategories, do you know that one?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh, you've just awoken. I'm shaking the laptop. He was
just awoken a part of my I forgot about scategories.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, that one is gone.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
They don't make it anymore, right or something.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I don't know. I've never I haven't seen it since
I was like a teenager. I love scattergories, okay, simply Monopoly. Yes, okay,
she hates it. She hates so much she tasted bile
in the back of her throat. Okay. I was recently
introduced to a game called I think it was called
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Code Names. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Code Name's definitely a game, absolutely fun.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I don't know what, like dumb ones like Yatzi and
just simple little like not Candyland, but candy Land, like
just like roll the dice and and oh no, I
was about to go, oh Monopoly, Monopoly.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Well, the nice thing is that there are like one
hundred different versions of version exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
All these like eighties games that were just like roll
the dice and clink clink, clink, your little guy.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I will say I recently I was at TJ max
and what was like on sale at TJ Max? So
already reduced and reduced even more double a double double
was Is it trouble or sorry? Which one is the
is the popomatic?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Okay? Because I was gonna say bobble okay, Oh but
it's like that. No, it's like a popomatic popomatic. It's
no trouble. Do you know this one, Scott, I do
know it.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm impressed that you guys are using the word popomatic.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Oh, it's just a word that we know. It's a
word that we know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Darcy and I throw it around all neurons.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
With amatic that little bubble that you're talking with, a
little plastic bubble that you person it and it rolls
the dice for.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You gimm which is so silly.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's so silly, but it's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
What do you think it's for it so you don't
lose the die?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Is that it's I guess like in theory, but I
bet it was just like we gotta do something different. Yes,
he's got dice down. What are we gonna do? This
is like the next like award winning mini series is
how they invented the popomatic.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Absolutely, Scott.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's not out of like iteration for children losing the die.
It's absolutely for.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Like is this exciting? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I need we still remember the term so it was.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
We still remember the official term popmatic you poppamatic.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, so it's working. But I am not against a.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I mean it's weird that you say candy Land and
it's similar one shoots and Ladders, because I do think
that's when the neurons go off, and that is a
mindless game of rolling a pair of dice or one die.
I'm going to keep, by the way throughout this conversation,
I have a feeling I'm going to keep saying or die.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I've already done it. I said dice when I meant die.
And if you guys, come for us in the comments,
We're going to be so pissed. It's just going to
be pissed, all right, We're going to be so mad
if you come for us.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So stop coming for us.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Stop coming for us about the diet.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But I'm going to continue to say die. And I
don't mean that. I don't mean stop living. It's one die.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And for me, what I'm apologizing for is I think
I'm going to use the incorrect like plural or non plural.
I'm gonna say dice and I'm gonna mean die. I'm
gonna say die. Okay, I'm probably just gonna say dice. Yeah,
you'll say dice and and you'll say death, and I'll
say death.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And Scott, I don't know where you'll fall on the well.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And for me, it's if there's one, I'll say die
and if there's okay, So.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You're gonna do correctly, gotcha. But you know here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I probably won't make a big deal out of it.
That's my I'm gonna try not to.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I feel funny saying die, but it'll be correct. So yeah,
I'm making space for that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh I just I remembered another one. Another one in
that early life sort of like clicking into the neurons,
was guess who do you remember that one?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, guess who. I have a friend who continues to
compare people in real life to their guess who lie,
I'd be like, oh, he's a signmon.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yes he's an Alfred. No, I do believe, and I'm
sure this is like scientifically proven somewhere, not by me,
but I believe that there are like only so many
faces in the world. And like, yes, I sort of
I think like you have an open face or you
have a closed face. Like I don't even know how
to explain it, but I've seen, like we've all seen
the same face structure in different people, and I feel
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like they're all represented, many presented on guests who but
you guys to have.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
The guests who faces be that memorable that your friend
Scott and you yourself, Darcy seem to remember that. I
don't remember the faces at all.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I do. They're also a little scary. They're a little
like a little like cartoon that like sort of eighties.
There was sort of like a style in the eighties
that I believe to be scary, like the garbage pail kids, Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly, yes,
and a lot of like the cartoons and stuff of
that time were like a little like freaky on purpose.
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I think I think they've updated the faces. I think
they're like a little prettier now, a little more pleasing
to the eye.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I believe you. That's what people want now, they want.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
That's what we want, want pretty, we want pretty.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So but that is guess who it is? So what what?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I don't know if it was asking just like less
obvious questions when I was a kid, because I remember
the games lasted a while. Now it's just are you female?
Do you have dark hair? And then it's like half
of them are eliminated like quickly. But at least there
are nice little features there where you can frame the
person you're guessing right, and then you shut down with
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plastic covers the ones who have been eliminated in.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
That's right, that's kind of fun. This is different, but
it's kind of reminding me of battleship games where you
have to like guess you know, like is it this? Also,
here's a simple one. This is not a board game
at all, but it absolutely fits into my love of
these things. My family was really big on what did
we call it? Who Am I? Which was just like
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a game you'd play in the car or at a
restaurant waiting for your food, or in line at Disneyland
or whatever, where it was just like pre phones and
pre dang phones, pre Wi Fi, and it was just
who am I? And it was similar to guests who
where it was like are you a man? Are you
a woman? Are you an animal? Are you whatever? And
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that was the same type of thing where I was
never done. I was never like I don't want to
play this anymore. I was always rare and to go.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right, yeah, see that that?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Nope, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I always want them to end.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I know. And by the way, neither of us are wrong.
You shouldn't feel don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Feel bad, Ellie Ellie's wrong. Games are fun games?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Are I hope? I wasn't annoying? I do think I'm
like another one? Please?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Please one?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But one more Darcy with that first of all, and
that adorable little little plea, nobody would say no. But
also I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Are you competitive?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Okay? Great? Okay, Ellie, Ellie, ell Ellie, Ellie great, question. Yeah, okay,
now this is gonna I'm not trying to be a
saint here. I'm gonna I'm just gonna be really honest. Yes, okay,
I am in my life and when it comes to sports,
I am so competitive. Oh wait, whatever I'm swearing, I'm
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sorry them, yeah, bleep it out whatever. But for some no, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
But in board games and card games, I I want
the per I am happy for the person that won.
So okay, this is part of the weirdness in sports.
I wanted to win. I wanted my team to win,
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and I was bummed if my team didn't win, and
I was happy if my team won. But in card
games and board games, it was like a momentary, like
a little like oh and then it was like good job,
Like I really was so happy for the person. I
still am. My husband gets really competitive about cards and
I kind of you know, I'm like, you're a bad
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sports Jason, Like you really need to be a little more,
be a little more like me. Yeah right, gracious happy, yeah, gracious?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Ye are you a.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Game night person? Like do you like host game night?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Okay? Going to I do, Okay, I do I I
am a little fearful of Okay, okay, okay, I'm really
checking in with myself here.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I know now, while I'm not a bad sport, if
somebody bugs me in a game night, I'll call them out.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh it's a friendship ruiner.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, if they get too competitive or or something
like that's a that's not a good quality of mine.
That I that that can feel good to me is
to like make fun of someone for being overly you know,
let's say someone's being overly competitive or something and then
I make fun of them and I'm like, yeah, I
really did it, And I'm like, that's not good. That's
actually not good. That's a bad quality.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Standing up to bullies is a good quality. I think
you can be generous with yourself, Darcy. I am a
big game fan, board team fan. I like hosting game nights,
and I just want to go through a couple categories.
O great, greick gat Where to me they fit into
a couple different slots. One is childhood games, right like
trouble Yeah, and it seems like your fan covered those
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love them.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Another is what I would call and this relates to
the game night party games.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Okay, so like like charades.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
To me, taboo is a party game. You need a
minimum of let's call it six six. Yeah, you could
play with four, but that's no fun. Anytime you need
more than a family's worth of people. I know they're
big families.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Sure, we've all heard of big families get a party games.
I agree, Scott, right, totally agree.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It seems like you're big into the party games.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm big into the party games.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I am too. Party games are fun. Hard to resist
a party game, even Scrooge with the games here, Eli
kemper at a party if we were playing like Celebrity
or something scategories probably because because you know what, it
is more about the fun than the winning in a
scategory situation.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Oh, I wrote actionary so fun.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
The drawings are funny.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Wanna laugh?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
There's gonna be confusion, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
If you're a bad drawer, it's almost better.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Did you ever play game a version of charades called
running Charades? What was that? Yeah? It's like a relay, yes,
But what was it is? Do you go from room
to room? You run from like team to time or something? Darcy,
that's so right, it's something so fun and find Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Remember playing that at my parents' house and it was
like a family affair.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, that's fun, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, we have to look that up. You know. When
that's really big that I've never played is Settlers of
Katan set Well, see.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
This is this is it. This is what I'm getting
to people, especially the dorks in our audience. They see
Darcy Carton loves board games, their minds are getting to
jump to what I might consider strategy games like Catan,
a Ticket to Ride, a whole war game like Risk.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Or No thank You. But Scott, I love I love
Ticket to Ride, But I think that's a dumb version
of these months. I think that's a dummy version of
like I don't my brain isn't great for Settlers or
for access and allies. Never would I ever want to
play that or Risk No thank you, Absolutely no thank you.
But I feel like Ticket to Ride is like the
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dummy version of those and I really like that one.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
What is the object of Ticket to Ride?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
The object is to you ready for this, It's to
freakin put train tracks from state to state. And whoever
gets like the longest train tracks are the most train tracks.
What would you compare it to Scott that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You described it perfectly, and I don't know that a
comparison will describe it more acculate than you've already done.
The thing that is a key to Ticket to Ride
is that everybody is their roots are secret, right, and
you don't know everyone else's roots. So I am desperately
trying to build a train from New York to Miami,
and you, Darcy, are desperately trying to build a train
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from New York to Chicago. And you while you're trying
to build a train from Los Angeles to Saint Louis
or whatever, right, and we don't know, and we end
up blocking each other, but almost by accident.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And so you could put so much work into a
route and then get blocked and then it's all for nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And the key the key to both of those games.
And this is not an original observation I've I've done
a little bit reading about this. German board games are
what they're called. The key to both of them is
that where you are in the pecking order is uncertain
and right up until the moment that you win or lose.
So a game like Risk or a game like Monopoly,
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I find less fun because the writing's on the wall. Guys,
you halfway through a game of Monopoly, you know you're
you're pretty pretty good. Who's going to lose? You've got
some ideas about who, and then it's like an interminable
you know, just process. It's a drip torture. Whereas ticket
to Ride it's about an hour maybe a little long hour,
fifteen minutes. The whole time you're like, I'm in it.
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If I get the i can get this green train,
I'm winner.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yes, exactly, that's so true. And it's so right. You
don't reveal the score. Really yeah, oh my god, it's
so fun. It makes me want to play right now.
I have Jason husband, Jason and I have a couple
that we play this with. The husband loves it. The
wife hates it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So what is her what is her attitude that she's
she's a.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Good she's just a good girl. She's like, okay, and
then when she's playing, she'll play. Also, my sister and
my brother in law, we like to play with them.
They play it so much that they play it on
their phones, which I don't have that level of love
for it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
No, I mean, and also to me, part of what
would make that med.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Alert audience audience listening. Scott plays it on his phone.
He's showing us that he plays it on his phone.
Ticket to Ride on the app.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But I don't understand with that. Do you play it
with friends or do you play it by yourself?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I play it against a computer. There are a couple
of different computers you play against. I sometimes play it
with my son or my daughter. There's a pass and
play option where you pass the phone back and forth.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I think that's what my sister and brother in law do.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I do think I'm missing out. I mean, those are
the something like that is a great way to keep
your brain occupied, right.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, I mean, I guess. But also you're really smart.
Sometimes I'm like, I occupy my brain with dumb things
and I forgot to get smart.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh oh that's were you saying?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Now were you saying?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I was?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh, yes, but but no, and so that's why I'm
scrolling on something else instead.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Okay, But whereas I always.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Think, oh, well, if I were, you know, working on
a game, at least that's using some neuron maybe feels
like somewhat productive and creative.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I don't know, maybe maybe maybe maybe I could see
well whatever we're all doing. We're all doing our.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
God everyone world, we're just doing.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But I do you know, I have a couple of
like phone games that can be real time sucks. But
I'm also like, I think this is I'm okay not
to switch to computer games, and let's not. But I'm
a big fan of puzzle games like the in the
World of Tetris and popping bubbles and stuff like that.
Yeah that I could play those for twenty four hours
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a day, and I like to think that there's like
it's doing something good for my brain.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
YEP, is it?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I say, yes, it's spatial reasoning, yeah, with my Okay,
so I have to say something about Monopoly. Yeah, And
I know we all just said okay whatever an hour
into it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The writing's on the wall. You know who's writing, who's
in the second place, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I sort of was strong armed into playing Monopoly every
Sunday by my older brother every Sunday, and so and
then I would I would always want to quit halfway through.
And I mean, you know what, this probably happened three
or four times, but in my head it was seven years.
And so that made me feel like I'm not enjoying this,
and I'm being bullied into playing, and I really don't
want to play this. Having said that, I went back
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and played as an adult and I still don't like it.
But this might be a different reason. I'm actually not
very good at it. I think that I don't have
good board game strategies that that could be worked on.
So I shouldn't write it off, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It's like but also like our brains work a certain way.
Like my family, I have a family full of scrabble champions.
They're incredible as scrabble, and I am not. I'm just
not and it doesn't work for my brain. I'm not
good at it. I don't enjoy it. I'm not good
at like wordle or any of those things. I think
that's okay, twin out. But also I think that kid
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monopoly being a kid playing Monopoly, okay, okay, Oh my god,
about I'm about to make a damn comparison. Write Yes,
I believe that a payday candy bar is often overlooked
because as a kid, why would you ever pick a
candy bar without chocolate, that's just peanuts and caramel? Why
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would you do that? But guess what, as an adult
it's one of the best candy bars. You're gonna love it.
I beg you to get a payday. I think that
Monopoly might be similar where it's like, yes, it's so
boring when you're a kid and it's like real estate,
like what is this? It's math? It's like yes, yeah,
And then there's something about as an adult. I think
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it's Jason, my husband, Jason and I play Monopoly with
his parents a lot, which is really fun. It's just
like a fun way to do something right.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Well, yes, other than like you know, doing nothing or talking. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, because you kind of do talk. It's like
it's like a fun I find that, you know, over
the holidays or something. When I'm like with my family
for days and days and days and we're like watching TV.
When we start playing cards or board games, we always
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have more fun.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right, you know what? There, Now we've hit on something.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I think that could be helpful and also revealing, because
you're exactly right. For us, it's normally it's rounding up
everyone to actually sit down and play. That's the hard part.
Once everybody's there, it usually, I would say nine times
out of ten is a great success, totally.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And the nice thing about a party or a family
situation like that is that if you're really truly not
enjoying the game, you can play like a sub game
called drinking wine.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Right, tell us about that game? That sounds so fun.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So I'm socializing with my family, but really the game
I'm playing is drinking wine.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yes, totally, honestly, I.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Have one question, one final category at Darcy to get
to game category. And I don't know what. I think
there's a name for them, but I don't know what
it is. Deception games or lying games, like have you
ever played a game called Mafia?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Okay, this is great, This is so great because here
I do have strong feelings about those, and those feelings
are the following. I have a hard time with lying games,
lying games.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yes, it feels bad to me. I don't like catching
someone in a lie. I don't like lying it feels
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But even though like I have had fun playing where
Wolves or Mafia are those type of things, yes, I
find that. Oh my god, I'm like, I'm like giddy
right now talking about this. That people end up a
little pissed at each other, Like it's not as it's
not quite as fun as we're all on board with
the same thing. It's more like, yeah, I just I'm
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remembering like being at a friend's house and playing with
his family, and like the cousins were really mad at
each other by the end of it. It was like
stirring up some families.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, that to me, and that happens, and I've seen
it happen, and it always stuns me because I'm thinking,
how did it get to this point? Yeah, but people
get upset, people get like people are visibly sweating, yes,
like they're hot, their tempers are raging. Yes, And I well, now,
let's see Mafia is you have to you literally have
to lie. I forget what it is you have to
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lie in real life?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Right to say, well, I mean you're playing a game.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yes, in real life though, yeah, yeah, that's what's confusing
to I know.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Scott's yes, not sure.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
He's well, I mean, yes, it's real life in so
far as we're living and existing. Yes, And sometimes people
do make lies that that seem like they're ill, like
I swear in the life of my child or something
like that, and then it's like yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
What and then what what?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Are we supposed to believe? Who are we supposed to trust?
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
If we were all if we knew we were we're
all performers. Here, if we were all in a theater
exercise and we knew we were characters, characters, okay, but
here in this game at you know, Elly's house, at
Ellie and so it's like, but wait a minute, but
I'm actually a character in the Mafia game.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
But it's confusing because I'm very much Ellie.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
So I'm lying and and and then and then of
course we all know. What you become aware of is
you start to learn which one of your friends are really.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Good liars exactly exactly, like it's almost not it's if
you're good at that. Yikes, how I feel now? This
is this is something pretty unrelatable. But I'm just going
to tell you. You know, being actors, we sometimes get
to be on game shows, right, And this goes right
along with my love of games. I love game shows.
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I love being on them. I think it's probably pretty
uncool how often I do them, but I love doing them.
But what I have found is there's one called to
tell the truth that I've been on a couple of
times two people are lying and one person is telling
the truth, and it's really fun, and I mean it's
like really thrilling. I guess to like, see, they're really
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good at what they do. But I find that I'm
really bad at that game because I don't want to
catch someone in a lie. So I'm not like, well, wait,
you said this, and you said that. If anything, I'm
like trying to justify things that they said to like
help them along.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You don't want to feel you don't want to feel
disappointed that this person lies.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I think I don't want to put them in an
uncomfortable situation, like I think, and that's true in my
real life too, Like I would if somebody was lying
to me. I don't think I would be like, hey,
you're lying. I think I would sort of numb my
brain out enough to just try to convince myself that's
not a lie. That's fair.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, Darcy, you're too nice. You don't want to win games,
and you want to excuse liars.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I think it's to put everyone at ease.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
At ease. But also, Scott, I'm just gonna whisper this
and don't ever tell anyone this. But one of the
reasons that I think I'm I want everybody to win,
and that I'm a good sport is.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That I'm gonna win all the time.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I'm really good at.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Hey Scott, Hey Scott, you have ticket to ride on
your phone. Trust me, I can destroy you.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I have to share a personal anecdote which isn't even
personal because you could see on TV.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Okay, but you know, Darcy, like Darcy was on the
Great American Banking Show and she blew the other.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Contestants out of the water or out of the dough, and.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was effortless, and she did it with not even
a pinch of sugar. She did it with like a
cup of sugar. It was so set as she just
slaughtered the other one. You know, she won, and she
did it graciously and gracefully. But Darcy, that's exactly right.
I think what you just said is even though you
whispered it, I heard it. It's true. If you have that,
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then you don't have to You're not like you're not
the little you know, like uh, like trying to scratch
your way up the leg.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's the only thing I could think of.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You're You're You're just comfortable yeah, but there are certain games. Yeah,
I've sort of yeah, I've been thinking about this so
much since I thought about talking to you guys about it,
that there are certain games, certain card games. Not that
we're getting too into cards that I know my aunt
Sally's better than me, and Jason is better than me,
and my mom is better than me, But I still
really want to play with them. And I don't care.
I just want to play. I want to play for
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four hours and I want to listen to like eighties
music while we play, and I want to drink wine.
And if I get last place, like, I truly don't care.
It's just like, yeah, yeah, it just depends.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So Darcy, when you say card games, are you talking
like poker? Or are you talking like O noo?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I'm talking like, why am I not thinking of?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Rummy? Rummy's our favorite.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I never know how to play that.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I want to teach you. Rubby Cube. Ever play that Scott.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Rummy Cube I'm familiar with. I don't know it, but
everybody swears.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Is this gin Rummy? Is it the same thing?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I guess there are like different versions of Rummy, So
I think I've played Jin Rummy before, but I don't
I always need like a little you know, thirty second
tutorial on which is this, Yeah, we're playing like Hearts
and Crazy eighth. One of my best friends, Brandon Scott Jones,
who you guys probably know, had him on the pot.
And my husband Jason and I like to play a
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game called High or Low drink drinking a little tequila
and just highre low and just how many cards in
a row can you? It's just there's no strategy at all.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's just wait, it's how many cards you can.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Like if I put out a card and it's a five, yeah,
I would say hire low and then you'd say hi.
And if the next one's six, you got it right.
And if the next hire low, and yeah, it's so dumb.
That's so fun.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
But it's that that's a chance thing, and those are
those that's what I never understand. It's shocking to me
that game, you know, war like the war Like, there's no.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Strategy, right strategy, but it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's fun and it's just like it would past hours
of time. And it's the same thing as any of
those rolling the die yes or dice games where it's
totally it's luck. And but there's something nice about it.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is what I think I've learned from our conversation Darcy,
is that I was thinking, all right, we're going to
talk to her about war games. She's gonna love those
road to what is it? The Risk and not road
to Bridge to tarabythea Yeah, and all of these, And
you didn't you like? You like some games that I
think have broader appeal, some simples, some simples. But my
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point is there's a board game for ever everyone, So
find your games.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Find your game, guys, find your game. You guys coming
out tattoos, let's say, find your game.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Darcy. This has been a pleasure talking to you about bros.
You've not only changed my whole way of looking at it,
which I used to think I'm not a board game person.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Well yeah I am certain.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Board games, certain board games.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Of course, if you have a moment, yeah, Scott and
I have a speaking of.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Games, speaking of games, speaking of games, we do have
a game we like to play at the end with
all of our guests. So if you have a minute,
which might absolutely.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Yes, we're back.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We're here with Darcy Carded, who is very again graciously
agreed to play a game I play. It's called love
It or Loathe It? And Darcy. In this game, we
are going to launch some items at you, some subjects, things, people, places, music, activities.
You tell us if you love that thing or you
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loathe that thing. There can be no in between. There's
no shades of gray here.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Okay, do you guys like explanations or just sort of.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
That's all we want. It's not rapid fire.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It is slow slow burn. Okay, yes, a slow burn.
Oh I love this good?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, starting a starting off with a love correct, you're
on your way to winning. Okay, Darcy, love it or
loath it? Next one Disneyland love It?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I do love it well. Growing up, we went once
a year, and we went the day after Thanksgiving every years.
No guess what the least busy day or one of
the least busy days. By the way, I don't know
how that makes sense, because people would have that Friday off.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Anyway, I have really fond memories of our yearly trip there,
and then as an adult, I probably go like once
every couple of years. It's fun to go with other adults.
It's really fun to go with like nieces and nephews
and kids that I have never been before, so I
I love it. It really is nostalgic for me. And yeah,
I'm not even gonna I'm not even gonna like I
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can say bad things about it, but I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
To because this is love it or love yep yeph.
Do you know I've never been.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Oh my, you've never been to Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Not California, not Disneyland, but you've been to disney California.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I've been to disney World.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Disney World seems so overwhelming to me and huge. Disneyland
I love because you can just do it in a day. Yeah,
we took We took our nephews there for the first
time we went. We got there right when it opened,
like whatever that is, eight o'clock and by four pm
they were done. They were like, happily done. That's a
great day.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
See, that's a great day.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
That's a non overwhelming yes, pleasant. Yeah, No, I'm it's
not out of protest.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I would love to go.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Now here's a weird thing. I met my husband at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Not weird and okay, not weird.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
No, No, I would not say we're not like Disney
adults or anything. I don't. We're not like we don't
have Disney tattoos or anything. I was visiting friends in La.
He was in their friend group, so I was like
the friend visiting and this is obviously years ago, so
many years ago. So they brought me their friend to
Disneyland with their group of friends, and so we met
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at Disneyland. So the first day we spent together was
at Disneyland. So it's even it's even more special.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Did you guys kiss on Small World?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Hey? Can you imagine we like met, We're strangers and
we just like kiss in front of all the friends, like,
who's this new girl that's kissing Jason? And on the
Small World ride. No, but I will say he did
do a cute little thing like a sort of jokingly
like held my hand on one on Mister Toad's Wild Ride.
It's hard to even explain, but it wasn't like we
were romantically holding hands, but he sort of was pretending
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that like he was my parent and I was the
kid or whatever. Yeah, but when he held my hand,
I was kind of like, hub, that is listen.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I think the fact that you aren't Disney adults makes
the story all the sweeter because you just that happened you.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You love Disneyland. You're not obsessed with it, and it
would be fine if you were. But everyone needs a purpose.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
But this is something that you just happen to really enjoy,
and that's where you met Jason.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I know. Wild Well that's just sweet. Okay, that's I
love it, absolutely love it.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Holy it's gonna be hard to top that, Darcy. Love
it or loathe it? Meeting your heroes.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Wow, Okay, okay, okay, honestly.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
This is hard.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
It's so hard, but I'm going to say love it. Yeah,
not that I know we can't do shades of grain,
not that it all not that meeting my heroes has
been a plus's every time, but I would I think
ultimately I would have rather met them than not, and
most of them have been so wonderful that it's a
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lot of it. It's a love it. It's a love it.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, well, you said it's there's no gray area. I
mean I said it first. You're just playing the game
that I write am making you play, So yes, it is.
Let's just admit it can.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Be dicey sometimes because.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
What if something just does.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
But on the whole on the whole, I think and
and yeah, I think, more often than not it's been
great and and even I would say wonderful and amazing
and and and you know, life changingly amazing. But a
few times it's it has been like huh. And I
even I even sort of find myself like when I've
met people that I worship, idolized, or my heroes or whatever,
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I sometimes have kept the conversations very short out of
fear you must.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You're like, let's just keep this superficial service before anything.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yes, One one that I'll just mention is Maya Rudolph,
who you know, was like a major, major, major hero
of mine. I mean, is but was you know, Yes,
I remember, maybe ten years ago, maybe more, being at
a birthday party that she was at and when my
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friend was like, let me introduce you, I said no
and I left the party. I didn't want to meet her.
I loved her too much. And then she became a
cast member on the Good Place. And I remember when
I heard that she was going to be on I
was I was so stressed out, and I was like
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it was I went beyond excited back over to like stressed.
You know, it was not it was like, as soon
as I heard it was.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Like, oh no, your brain can make any good thing. Yeah,
but understandably stress.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yes, yeah, because if it's bad, it's gonna be bad.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I can't leave the party.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yeah, And I and the first couple of days she
was on set, I was polite but avoided her, you know,
just sort of stuck to myself. And then I let
my guard down or whatever whatever happened there and became
dear wonderful friends. And she, as you know, is one
of just the best people on earth. And that was
like a real if we're if we're picking one and
there are some well, no wonder I.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Gotta say, in terms of meeting your heroes, that's like
the best possible. Yeah. Yeah, because then it's like the.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Hero is brought to earth.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And more than that, it because your friend.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So it's like, I mean, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
The best of all of all worlds.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
And off, Mike, I'll tell you some bad ones.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
If you don't mind, because I'm sure, Oh love it
or low the Darcy Smashing Pumpkins.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Love it the band the band Okay, but as I
was saying it, I have tould be fun to smash pumpkins.
I mean I guess either way.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, well that's true. Cathartic.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Can you say the band name in a way that's
not overthought as I was overthinking it.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Just say it smashing Pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Smashing pumpkins. But you did great, Smashing pumpkins.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Is that the way? Okay, totally, I've never said.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
The band name.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
No, you just did it perfectly. It would be so
funny if it was like, oh, you say it like
Smission Pumpkins. You said it wrong. It's Smission pumpkins. You
have to say it smashing. No, just regular old smashing pumpkins.
Love them so much. And I'll tell you maybe the
reason that this is in this quiz right now is
because you did some fact checking, fact finding, which is
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that my name was I was born d A r
c Y and in junior high I was so in
love with that band and the bassis was de Apostrophe
capital at r c Y that I switched mine. I
never looked back.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I love that. What did what? How what did that entail?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
But for like I mean, like do I get checks
that are de Apoty, Yeah, I mean it's that's my name.
That's my mind.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I did you ask your parents, like, how did it work?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (45:22):
I did change you know what. I didn't do it
until I changed my last name. I didn't officially, like
you can kind of just do whatever you want, sure,
But when I went to like the Social Security Office,
that's when I did officially.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
When you change from your maiden name to your.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Name, yeah, I changed it when I was like thirteen
or so, but I officially changed it in my adult life,
in my.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Twelve See, I I'm in awe of that.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I never wanted to change my name, but to have
that certainty and to have an idol, I'm assuming she was.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
If not a idol, she.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
She was just something like there was that. It was
specifically during that like early nineties grunge music period that
I uset I was obsessed with made it my full personality.
Loved Nirvana and Pearl Jam and all those bands, and
there were very few women, and I mean very few,
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and Darcy Retzki was one of was just one of them.
She just was like one woman that I loved the
band and she just sort of embodied a lot of
you know, she just embodied like coolness to me.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, longtime listeners will know. Yeah, I am not a
music head, so I'm unfamiliar with this person, and I
just googled her, and Darcy Retzki seems like the coolest
person who ever lived. Totally also a little bit terrifying.
I know, I know she's gonna haunt my dreams.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Yeah, she's rad, bleach blonde hair, played the bass. Like
when I tell you, I've never heard her voice, like,
she's not she's like, you know, she's just mysterious and
cool and I and I my relationship with Smashing Pumpkins
is very nineties based, like I'm not I don't know
their stuff now. I haven't seen them in concert lately.
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It's all from my teenage years, which feels very like nostalgic.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you know, yeah, whether you go love love Smashing
pump Yes, Darcy, guess what You've won the game?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You got all the points.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Oh my god, thank you so much for waking.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
We're talking with us. Well, we had fun.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Is there any with There's lots, but is there anything specific,
any projects, any shows that you would like to take
this opportunity to promote.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Plug Okay, I would like to plug. Yes, a little show,
my new podcast which is out now. It's called Wiki Hole.
It's a Wikipedia trivia show. So this kind of goes
right into my love of games. I would love for
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you guys to both be on it. What do you
think of trivia? Ellie? I know Scott loves it.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I'm bad at it.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
You are, okay, But actually, you know what, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
It doesn't matter. I call heart's there.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yeah, I call this dummy trivia because it is like
you would be amazed at the smart people we've had
on that don't know things and the dumb people we've
had on that know everything. So that's the fun thing
about that wicked idea is that you sort of just
like go down a rabbit hole. Yeah, Wiki Hole. Listen
to it, you know, wherever the heppy you listen to
podcasts anywhere? Yeah, anywhere, And new episodes come out every Monday.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
I mean, I just speaking for myself, I am a
huge fan of trivia. I'm a huge reader of Wikipedia,
and I'm a huge fan of yours. So I will
certainly be.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Listening Stars Alive. I can't wait to listen. Congratulations to that.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Thanks you guys. It's been so so so fun. I've
had only fun. Yes, which is nice.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Jersey. Thank you so much for being here. This is
a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
It's been an absolute blast for me. I'm a big
fan of this podcast and I'm thrilled to be on.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh now, You've just made our day, Darcy, so thank you.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
And I implore you listeners, if you haven't listened to
the Justin Long episode, go back and listen to that one.
It's a great one, Darcy. Thank you, listen more more, Darcy.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
We're your biggest fan.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Thank you for taking We know you're very busy, so
thank you for taking the time to spend an hour
with us, and we'll see.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
You next time.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
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Speaker 2 (49:51):
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Speaker 2 (50:04):
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No, no, no No, Born to Love, Scott.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I added in a couple of notes there because I
got a little extra pep in my step.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was a little bit jazzy at the time and
then hard rock at the end.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh yeah. Welcome to bourn to Love with Ellie Kemper.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And Scott Eckerd.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
This is our.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Podcast where we have a guest on every week to
talk about something that they love. It can be an activity,
it can be a food, it can be a dog,
it can be a hairstyle, it can be anything in
the world that they love. And today we are so
excited because we have on someone we love, Darcy Cardon, actress, writer,
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performer and now podcaster. She is going to talk to
us about her love of board games and we can't
wait for now. Scott, I want to ask you about
your week.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
How was it?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It was great, Ellie that we had a rainy weekend
and my whole family was stuck indoors and it was
a real love hate kind of experience because I liked
spending time with my family. But on the other hand,
you know, there's only so many movies you can watch
in the rain. How about you? How was your week?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We had a similar, different precipitation, frozen rain also known
as snow. It was water that froze and it was
wet snow, so it wasn't the kind of snow you
could sled in. And at first it's so cozy being inside,
and then it gets a little nutty. But no complaints.
Complaints are not conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Complaints are not conversation. Did you see that on a
T shirt? Ellie?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I saw it on a bumper sticker. Complaints are not conversation.
I will not be starting that kind of talk. So, Scott,
what's something in particular that you loved this week?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, the in particular that I loved this week, Ellie,
is probably going to get me in trouble, and by
probably I mean almost certainly. And it's something that that
I should hate, but I I secretly delight in. And
here's what it is. I kind of love it when
my kids are like overtly insulting to me.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I need explain more.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I want it so hard to understand.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, So here's here's what I don't like as a parent.
And even if you're not a parent, I think you'll
understand this. I don't especially like it when my children
completely ignore me, or are just insolent, or are throwing
a tantrum about this or that those things are no fun. No,
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but my kids are just now reaching the age where
they think that they can fire some zingers, and often
the zingers are not well calibrated. So I'll give you
I'll give you an example of one. I asked my
son to finish his peace. This was a while back,
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but it's stuck in my memory. I asked my son
to finish his peace. He didn't want to finish his peace.
I said, Jack, you got to finish your piece. And
he goes, oh, yeah, you're bad at your job, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Not only disproportionate response, but a completely like in Congress,
is that the world?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, it's completed. Nothing to do with food. It just
he just went right to like, I don't know what
he thought was my deepest insecurity saying you're bad at
your job. And then the reason I brought it up
is that during this rainy weekend, we were actually playing
a game, which is you know, fitting, since Darcy's going
to talk to us about her love of games.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It almost like you planned it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's almost like I planned it. But I didn't. That's
just kismet. But we're playing a game, and my daughter
was like in just a foul mood. She was just
there was nothing that could be said that wouldn't get
her going right. You'd offer her a card in this
game or whatever, and she'd be like, thanks a lot,
just with complete and total venom. And all of us
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in the family knew she was in such a bad mood.
We tried our very best to like tread lightly and
be nice, and finally my wife said, Jenny, I'm done.
You have officially exhausted me. And then, in less than
one second, like instantaneously sitcom timing, my daughter goes, do
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I get a medal? No, my draw, you've officially exhausted me.
Do I get a med all?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I mean both of those retorts, like larger than retorts,
like written sitcom lines, are absolutely fantastic and so funny
that they're not insulting when it's so over the top.
I mean, you've got to be kidding me, and bless them,
they're just trying to get through it. But I mean,
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those are pretty brilliant responses from both of your kids.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Have your children ever really zinged you Ellie, are they
not quite old enough yet?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I'm somewhat unsingable, but because I'm so strong with such
a thick skin, but I will say that they, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
They are four and seven.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
In terms of like insults, we haven't gotten there yet.
And after this little glimpse of like the hope of
you know, insults future, I am so I'm giddy for
what I have ahead of me.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There's an essential truthfulness to two kids. They really just
cut to the core, and it's because they haven't learned
how to be diplomatic, right, Like that is a skill
that that hopefully we learn as we mature, and my kids,
at least they don't got it.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, it's nice not to have a filter, to be
perfectly honest with you. And it's hard to teach them
the filter because you sort of want them to remain unfiltered.
But manners and common decency require that we, you know,
teach them what's polite and what's not. But let's, you know,
cherish these moments while we can, while they're still just
telling it, you know, speaking of telling it like it is.
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I'm going to tell you that I am ecstatic to
talk to Darcy Cardin about her love of board games.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We love Darcy.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
She is an Emmy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Nominated actress and comedian. She played Janet on NBC's The
Good Place. She started a League of their Own Barry
and broad City.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Darcy also earn the.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Incomparable honor of star baker on The Great American Baking Show.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
This is wait a minute, the Great American Baking Show.
I've heard of that. Who's the host of the Great
American Baking Show?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
My gosh, it's these two legends, this guy Zach Cherry
and this.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Icon just Princess Ellie.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Kemper, unsingable, the unsingable Ellie.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Kemper, singable Ellie Kemper. Yes, no, that's that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I got to know Darcy even better during that show.
She is a fantastic baker, but more than that, an
all around wonderful human being. She's the host of the
podcast Wikihole from SmartLess Media. This new series is now
out on Wondery Plus and all podcast platforms. As we mentioned,
Darcy's here today to talk to us about her love
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of board games and Scott.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I can't wait to begin the conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I'm thrilled, I'm excited. I like board games and I
like Darcy, So stick around.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Stick around.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
We are back with the brilliant Darcy Garden. Darcy, thank
you so much for being on our show.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Thank you so much for having me. Ellie god By
are here, Darcy excited.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We're excited. I have several feelings about your love. They're complicated,
they're rich. But why don't you start us off? You
love board games?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I do? I do now. I almost hesitated in bringing
this to you because I don't have like a wide variety. Okay,
I'm not like down to just play any old board game,
y yea. But the ones that I love, I love
so much. And what I've recently realized is I have never,
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in my life, not once been the person who says
that I'm done with a board game. I always want
to play another one. I've never been the one that's like, Okay,
this is it right or whatever. I'm always like down
to play a second game of third game. I never
want to be done.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Now, what is I envy that?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
First of all, I wish I had that love of
I am the one who's like, can't wait for it
to be over, it's oh.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So funny and totally legit like that that I don't
know what I was gonna say. It's like my brain
turns off, but I guess it does the opposite. It
hits all the good, the little good. Yeah, yep, neurons.
What neurons? Neurons?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You know, but I have to ask immediately what are
not the repertoire? What's what?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I'm Yeah? So which ones do I love? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I love? And also tell me if you think these
counts board games, I think they do. Taboo. Oh yeah,
that's very like nineties early two thousands. Okay, speaking of
nineties scategories, do you know that one?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh, you've just awoken. I'm shaking the laptop. He was
just awoken a part of my I forgot about scategories.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, that one is gone.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
They don't make it anymore, right or something.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I don't know. I've never I haven't seen it since
I was like a teenager. I love scattergories, okay, simply Monopoly. Yes, okay,
she hates it. She hates so much she tasted bile
in the back of her throat. Okay. I was recently
introduced to a game called I think it was called
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Code Names. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Code Name's definitely a game, absolutely fun.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I don't know what, like dumb ones like Yatzi and
just simple little like not Candyland, but candy Land, like
just like roll the dice and and oh no, I
was about to go, oh Monopoly, Monopoly.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Well, the nice thing is that there are like one
hundred different versions of version exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
All these like eighties games that were just like roll
the dice and clink clink, clink, your little guy.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I will say I recently I was at TJ max
and what was like on sale at TJ Max? So
already reduced and reduced even more double a double double
was Is it trouble or sorry? Which one is the
is the popomatic?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Okay? Because I was gonna say bobble okay, Oh but
it's like that. No, it's like a popomatic popomatic. It's
no trouble. Do you know this one, Scott, I do
know it.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm impressed that you guys are using the word popomatic.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Oh, it's just a word that we know. It's a
word that we know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Darcy and I throw it around all neurons.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
With amatic that little bubble that you're talking with, a
little plastic bubble that you person it and it rolls
the dice for.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You gimm which is so silly.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's so silly, but it's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
What do you think it's for it so you don't
lose the die?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Is that it's I guess like in theory, but I
bet it was just like we gotta do something different. Yes,
he's got dice down. What are we gonna do? This
is like the next like award winning mini series is
how they invented the popomatic.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Absolutely, Scott.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's not out of like iteration for children losing the die.
It's absolutely for.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Like is this exciting? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I need we still remember the term so it was.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
We still remember the official term popmatic you poppamatic.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, so it's working. But I am not against a.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I mean it's weird that you say candy Land and
it's similar one shoots and Ladders, because I do think
that's when the neurons go off, and that is a
mindless game of rolling a pair of dice or one die.
I'm going to keep, by the way throughout this conversation,
I have a feeling I'm going to keep saying or die.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I've already done it. I said dice when I meant die.
And if you guys, come for us in the comments,
We're going to be so pissed. It's just going to
be pissed, all right, We're going to be so mad
if you come for us.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So stop coming for us.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Stop coming for us about the diet.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But I'm going to continue to say die. And I
don't mean that. I don't mean stop living. It's one die.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And for me, what I'm apologizing for is I think
I'm going to use the incorrect like plural or non plural.
I'm gonna say dice and I'm gonna mean die. I'm
gonna say die. Okay, I'm probably just gonna say dice. Yeah,
you'll say dice and and you'll say death, and I'll
say death.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And Scott, I don't know where you'll fall on the well.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And for me, it's if there's one, I'll say die
and if there's okay, So.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You're gonna do correctly, gotcha. But you know here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I probably won't make a big deal out of it.
That's my I'm gonna try not to.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I feel funny saying die, but it'll be correct. So yeah,
I'm making space for that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh I just I remembered another one. Another one in
that early life sort of like clicking into the neurons,
was guess who do you remember that one?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, guess who. I have a friend who continues to
compare people in real life to their guess who lie,
I'd be like, oh, he's a signmon.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yes he's an Alfred. No, I do believe, and I'm
sure this is like scientifically proven somewhere, not by me,
but I believe that there are like only so many
faces in the world. And like, yes, I sort of
I think like you have an open face or you
have a closed face. Like I don't even know how
to explain it, but I've seen, like we've all seen
the same face structure in different people, and I feel
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like they're all represented, many presented on guests who but
you guys to have.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
The guests who faces be that memorable that your friend
Scott and you yourself, Darcy seem to remember that. I
don't remember the faces at all.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I do. They're also a little scary. They're a little
like a little like cartoon that like sort of eighties.
There was sort of like a style in the eighties
that I believe to be scary, like the garbage pail kids, Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly, yes,
and a lot of like the cartoons and stuff of
that time were like a little like freaky on purpose.
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I think I think they've updated the faces. I think
they're like a little prettier now, a little more pleasing
to the eye.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I believe you. That's what people want now, they want.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
That's what we want, want pretty, we want pretty.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So but that is guess who it is? So what what?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I don't know if it was asking just like less
obvious questions when I was a kid, because I remember
the games lasted a while. Now it's just are you female?
Do you have dark hair? And then it's like half
of them are eliminated like quickly. But at least there
are nice little features there where you can frame the
person you're guessing right, and then you shut down with
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plastic covers the ones who have been eliminated in.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
That's right, that's kind of fun. This is different, but
it's kind of reminding me of battleship games where you
have to like guess you know, like is it this? Also,
here's a simple one. This is not a board game
at all, but it absolutely fits into my love of
these things. My family was really big on what did
we call it? Who Am I? Which was just like
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a game you'd play in the car or at a
restaurant waiting for your food, or in line at Disneyland
or whatever, where it was just like pre phones and
pre dang phones, pre Wi Fi, and it was just
who am I? And it was similar to guests who
where it was like are you a man? Are you
a woman? Are you an animal? Are you whatever? And
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that was the same type of thing where I was
never done. I was never like I don't want to
play this anymore. I was always rare and to go.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right, yeah, see that that?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Nope, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I always want them to end.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I know. And by the way, neither of us are wrong.
You shouldn't feel don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Feel bad, Ellie Ellie's wrong. Games are fun games?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Are I hope? I wasn't annoying? I do think I'm
like another one? Please?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Please one?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But one more Darcy with that first of all, and
that adorable little little plea, nobody would say no. But
also I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Are you competitive?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Okay? Great? Okay, Ellie, Ellie, ell Ellie, Ellie great, question. Yeah, okay,
now this is gonna I'm not trying to be a
saint here. I'm gonna I'm just gonna be really honest. Yes, okay,
I am in my life and when it comes to sports,
I am so competitive. Oh wait, whatever I'm swearing, I'm
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sorry them, yeah, bleep it out whatever. But for some no, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
But in board games and card games, I I want
the per I am happy for the person that won.
So okay, this is part of the weirdness in sports.
I wanted to win. I wanted my team to win,
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and I was bummed if my team didn't win, and
I was happy if my team won. But in card
games and board games, it was like a momentary, like
a little like oh and then it was like good job,
Like I really was so happy for the person. I
still am. My husband gets really competitive about cards and
I kind of you know, I'm like, you're a bad
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sports Jason, Like you really need to be a little more,
be a little more like me. Yeah right, gracious happy, yeah, gracious?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Ye are you a.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Game night person? Like do you like host game night?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Okay? Going to I do, Okay, I do I I
am a little fearful of Okay, okay, okay, I'm really
checking in with myself here.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I know now, while I'm not a bad sport, if
somebody bugs me in a game night, I'll call them out.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh it's a friendship ruiner.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, if they get too competitive or or something
like that's a that's not a good quality of mine.
That I that that can feel good to me is
to like make fun of someone for being overly you know,
let's say someone's being overly competitive or something and then
I make fun of them and I'm like, yeah, I
really did it, And I'm like, that's not good. That's
actually not good. That's a bad quality.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Standing up to bullies is a good quality. I think
you can be generous with yourself, Darcy. I am a
big game fan, board team fan. I like hosting game nights,
and I just want to go through a couple categories.
O great, greick gat Where to me they fit into
a couple different slots. One is childhood games, right like
trouble Yeah, and it seems like your fan covered those
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love them.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Another is what I would call and this relates to
the game night party games.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Okay, so like like charades.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
To me, taboo is a party game. You need a
minimum of let's call it six six. Yeah, you could
play with four, but that's no fun. Anytime you need
more than a family's worth of people. I know they're
big families.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Sure, we've all heard of big families get a party games.
I agree, Scott, right, totally agree.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It seems like you're big into the party games.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm big into the party games.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I am too. Party games are fun. Hard to resist
a party game, even Scrooge with the games here, Eli
kemper at a party if we were playing like Celebrity
or something scategories probably because because you know what, it
is more about the fun than the winning in a
scategory situation.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Oh, I wrote actionary so fun.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
The drawings are funny.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Wanna laugh?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
There's gonna be confusion, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
If you're a bad drawer, it's almost better.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Did you ever play game a version of charades called
running Charades? What was that? Yeah? It's like a relay, yes,
But what was it is? Do you go from room
to room? You run from like team to time or something? Darcy,
that's so right, it's something so fun and find Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Remember playing that at my parents' house and it was
like a family affair.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, that's fun, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, we have to look that up. You know. When
that's really big that I've never played is Settlers of
Katan set Well, see.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
This is this is it. This is what I'm getting
to people, especially the dorks in our audience. They see
Darcy Carton loves board games, their minds are getting to
jump to what I might consider strategy games like Catan,
a Ticket to Ride, a whole war game like Risk.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Or No thank You. But Scott, I love I love
Ticket to Ride, But I think that's a dumb version
of these months. I think that's a dummy version of
like I don't my brain isn't great for Settlers or
for access and allies. Never would I ever want to
play that or Risk No thank you, Absolutely no thank you.
But I feel like Ticket to Ride is like the
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dummy version of those and I really like that one.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
What is the object of Ticket to Ride?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
The object is to you ready for this, It's to
freakin put train tracks from state to state. And whoever
gets like the longest train tracks are the most train tracks.
What would you compare it to Scott that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You described it perfectly, and I don't know that a
comparison will describe it more acculate than you've already done.
The thing that is a key to Ticket to Ride
is that everybody is their roots are secret, right, and
you don't know everyone else's roots. So I am desperately
trying to build a train from New York to Miami,
and you, Darcy, are desperately trying to build a train
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from New York to Chicago. And you while you're trying
to build a train from Los Angeles to Saint Louis
or whatever, right, and we don't know, and we end
up blocking each other, but almost by accident.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And so you could put so much work into a
route and then get blocked and then it's all for nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And the key the key to both of those games.
And this is not an original observation I've I've done
a little bit reading about this. German board games are
what they're called. The key to both of them is
that where you are in the pecking order is uncertain
and right up until the moment that you win or lose.
So a game like Risk or a game like Monopoly,
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I find less fun because the writing's on the wall. Guys,
you halfway through a game of Monopoly, you know you're
you're pretty pretty good. Who's going to lose? You've got
some ideas about who, and then it's like an interminable
you know, just process. It's a drip torture. Whereas ticket
to Ride it's about an hour maybe a little long hour,
fifteen minutes. The whole time you're like, I'm in it.
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If I get the i can get this green train,
I'm winner.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yes, exactly, that's so true. And it's so right. You
don't reveal the score. Really yeah, oh my god, it's
so fun. It makes me want to play right now.
I have Jason husband, Jason and I have a couple
that we play this with. The husband loves it. The
wife hates it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So what is her what is her attitude that she's
she's a.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Good she's just a good girl. She's like, okay, and
then when she's playing, she'll play. Also, my sister and
my brother in law, we like to play with them.
They play it so much that they play it on
their phones, which I don't have that level of love
for it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
No, I mean, and also to me, part of what
would make that med.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Alert audience audience listening. Scott plays it on his phone.
He's showing us that he plays it on his phone.
Ticket to Ride on the app.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But I don't understand with that. Do you play it
with friends or do you play it by yourself?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I play it against a computer. There are a couple
of different computers you play against. I sometimes play it
with my son or my daughter. There's a pass and
play option where you pass the phone back and forth.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I think that's what my sister and brother in law do.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I do think I'm missing out. I mean, those are
the something like that is a great way to keep
your brain occupied, right.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, I mean, I guess. But also you're really smart.
Sometimes I'm like, I occupy my brain with dumb things
and I forgot to get smart.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh oh that's were you saying?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Now were you saying?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I was?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh, yes, but but no, and so that's why I'm
scrolling on something else instead.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Okay, But whereas I always.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Think, oh, well, if I were, you know, working on
a game, at least that's using some neuron maybe feels
like somewhat productive and creative.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I don't know, maybe maybe maybe maybe I could see
well whatever we're all doing. We're all doing our.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
God everyone world, we're just doing.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But I do you know, I have a couple of
like phone games that can be real time sucks. But
I'm also like, I think this is I'm okay not
to switch to computer games, and let's not. But I'm
a big fan of puzzle games like the in the
World of Tetris and popping bubbles and stuff like that.
Yeah that I could play those for twenty four hours
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a day, and I like to think that there's like
it's doing something good for my brain.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
YEP, is it?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I say, yes, it's spatial reasoning, yeah, with my Okay,
so I have to say something about Monopoly. Yeah, And
I know we all just said okay whatever an hour
into it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The writing's on the wall. You know who's writing, who's
in the second place, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I sort of was strong armed into playing Monopoly every
Sunday by my older brother every Sunday, and so and
then I would I would always want to quit halfway through.
And I mean, you know what, this probably happened three
or four times, but in my head it was seven years.
And so that made me feel like I'm not enjoying this,
and I'm being bullied into playing, and I really don't
want to play this. Having said that, I went back
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and played as an adult and I still don't like it.
But this might be a different reason. I'm actually not
very good at it. I think that I don't have
good board game strategies that that could be worked on.
So I shouldn't write it off, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It's like but also like our brains work a certain way.
Like my family, I have a family full of scrabble champions.
They're incredible as scrabble, and I am not. I'm just
not and it doesn't work for my brain. I'm not
good at it. I don't enjoy it. I'm not good
at like wordle or any of those things. I think
that's okay, twin out. But also I think that kid
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monopoly being a kid playing Monopoly, okay, okay, Oh my god,
about I'm about to make a damn comparison. Write Yes,
I believe that a payday candy bar is often overlooked
because as a kid, why would you ever pick a
candy bar without chocolate, that's just peanuts and caramel? Why
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would you do that? But guess what, as an adult
it's one of the best candy bars. You're gonna love it.
I beg you to get a payday. I think that
Monopoly might be similar where it's like, yes, it's so
boring when you're a kid and it's like real estate,
like what is this? It's math? It's like yes, yeah,
And then there's something about as an adult. I think
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it's Jason, my husband, Jason and I play Monopoly with
his parents a lot, which is really fun. It's just
like a fun way to do something right.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Well, yes, other than like you know, doing nothing or talking. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, because you kind of do talk. It's like
it's like a fun I find that, you know, over
the holidays or something. When I'm like with my family
for days and days and days and we're like watching TV.
When we start playing cards or board games, we always
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have more fun.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right, you know what? There, Now we've hit on something.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I think that could be helpful and also revealing, because
you're exactly right. For us, it's normally it's rounding up
everyone to actually sit down and play. That's the hard part.
Once everybody's there, it usually, I would say nine times
out of ten is a great success, totally.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And the nice thing about a party or a family
situation like that is that if you're really truly not
enjoying the game, you can play like a sub game
called drinking wine.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Right, tell us about that game? That sounds so fun.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So I'm socializing with my family, but really the game
I'm playing is drinking wine.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yes, totally, honestly, I.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Have one question, one final category at Darcy to get
to game category. And I don't know what. I think
there's a name for them, but I don't know what
it is. Deception games or lying games, like have you
ever played a game called Mafia?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Okay, this is great, This is so great because here
I do have strong feelings about those, and those feelings
are the following. I have a hard time with lying games,
lying games.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yes, it feels bad to me. I don't like catching
someone in a lie. I don't like lying it feels
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But even though like I have had fun playing where
Wolves or Mafia are those type of things, yes, I
find that. Oh my god, I'm like, I'm like giddy
right now talking about this. That people end up a
little pissed at each other, Like it's not as it's
not quite as fun as we're all on board with
the same thing. It's more like, yeah, I just I'm
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remembering like being at a friend's house and playing with
his family, and like the cousins were really mad at
each other by the end of it. It was like
stirring up some families.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, that to me, and that happens, and I've seen
it happen, and it always stuns me because I'm thinking,
how did it get to this point? Yeah, but people
get upset, people get like people are visibly sweating, yes,
like they're hot, their tempers are raging. Yes, And I well, now,
let's see Mafia is you have to you literally have
to lie. I forget what it is you have to
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lie in real life?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Right to say, well, I mean you're playing a game.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yes, in real life though, yeah, yeah, that's what's confusing
to I know.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Scott's yes, not sure.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
He's well, I mean, yes, it's real life in so
far as we're living and existing. Yes, And sometimes people
do make lies that that seem like they're ill, like
I swear in the life of my child or something
like that, and then it's like yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
What and then what what?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Are we supposed to believe? Who are we supposed to trust?
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
If we were all if we knew we were we're
all performers. Here, if we were all in a theater
exercise and we knew we were characters, characters, okay, but
here in this game at you know, Elly's house, at
Ellie and so it's like, but wait a minute, but
I'm actually a character in the Mafia game.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
But it's confusing because I'm very much Ellie.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
So I'm lying and and and then and then of
course we all know. What you become aware of is
you start to learn which one of your friends are really.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Good liars exactly exactly, like it's almost not it's if
you're good at that. Yikes, how I feel now? This
is this is something pretty unrelatable. But I'm just going
to tell you. You know, being actors, we sometimes get
to be on game shows, right, And this goes right
along with my love of games. I love game shows.
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I love being on them. I think it's probably pretty
uncool how often I do them, but I love doing them.
But what I have found is there's one called to
tell the truth that I've been on a couple of
times two people are lying and one person is telling
the truth, and it's really fun, and I mean it's
like really thrilling. I guess to like, see, they're really
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good at what they do. But I find that I'm
really bad at that game because I don't want to
catch someone in a lie. So I'm not like, well, wait,
you said this, and you said that. If anything, I'm
like trying to justify things that they said to like
help them along.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You don't want to feel you don't want to feel
disappointed that this person lies.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I think I don't want to put them in an
uncomfortable situation, like I think, and that's true in my
real life too, Like I would if somebody was lying
to me. I don't think I would be like, hey,
you're lying. I think I would sort of numb my
brain out enough to just try to convince myself that's
not a lie. That's fair.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, Darcy, you're too nice. You don't want to win games,
and you want to excuse liars.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I think it's to put everyone at ease.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
At ease. But also, Scott, I'm just gonna whisper this
and don't ever tell anyone this. But one of the
reasons that I think I'm I want everybody to win,
and that I'm a good sport is.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
That I'm gonna win all the time.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I'm really good at.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Hey Scott, Hey Scott, you have ticket to ride on
your phone. Trust me, I can destroy you.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I have to share a personal anecdote which isn't even
personal because you could see on TV.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Okay, but you know, Darcy, like Darcy was on the
Great American Banking Show and she blew the other.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Contestants out of the water or out of the dough, and.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was effortless, and she did it with not even
a pinch of sugar. She did it with like a
cup of sugar. It was so set as she just
slaughtered the other one. You know, she won, and she
did it graciously and gracefully. But Darcy, that's exactly right.
I think what you just said is even though you
whispered it, I heard it. It's true. If you have that,
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then you don't have to You're not like you're not
the little you know, like uh, like trying to scratch
your way up the leg.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's the only thing I could think of.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You're You're You're just comfortable yeah, but there are certain games. Yeah,
I've sort of yeah, I've been thinking about this so
much since I thought about talking to you guys about it,
that there are certain games, certain card games. Not that
we're getting too into cards that I know my aunt
Sally's better than me, and Jason is better than me,
and my mom is better than me, But I still
really want to play with them. And I don't care.
I just want to play. I want to play for
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four hours and I want to listen to like eighties
music while we play, and I want to drink wine.
And if I get last place, like, I truly don't care.
It's just like, yeah, yeah, it just depends.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So Darcy, when you say card games, are you talking
like poker? Or are you talking like O noo?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I'm talking like, why am I not thinking of?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Rummy? Rummy's our favorite.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I never know how to play that.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I want to teach you. Rubby Cube. Ever play that Scott.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Rummy Cube I'm familiar with. I don't know it, but
everybody swears.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Is this gin Rummy? Is it the same thing?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I guess there are like different versions of Rummy, So
I think I've played Jin Rummy before, but I don't
I always need like a little you know, thirty second
tutorial on which is this, Yeah, we're playing like Hearts
and Crazy eighth. One of my best friends, Brandon Scott Jones,
who you guys probably know, had him on the pot.
And my husband Jason and I like to play a
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game called High or Low drink drinking a little tequila
and just highre low and just how many cards in
a row can you? It's just there's no strategy at all.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's just wait, it's how many cards you can.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Like if I put out a card and it's a five, yeah,
I would say hire low and then you'd say hi.
And if the next one's six, you got it right.
And if the next hire low, and yeah, it's so dumb.
That's so fun.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
But it's that that's a chance thing, and those are
those that's what I never understand. It's shocking to me
that game, you know, war like the war Like, there's no.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Strategy, right strategy, but it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's fun and it's just like it would past hours
of time. And it's the same thing as any of
those rolling the die yes or dice games where it's
totally it's luck. And but there's something nice about it.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is what I think I've learned from our conversation Darcy,
is that I was thinking, all right, we're going to
talk to her about war games. She's gonna love those
road to what is it? The Risk and not road
to Bridge to tarabythea Yeah, and all of these, And
you didn't you like? You like some games that I
think have broader appeal, some simples, some simples. But my
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point is there's a board game for ever everyone, So
find your games.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Find your game, guys, find your game. You guys coming
out tattoos, let's say, find your game.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Darcy. This has been a pleasure talking to you about bros.
You've not only changed my whole way of looking at it,
which I used to think I'm not a board game person.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Well yeah I am certain.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Board games, certain board games.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Of course, if you have a moment, yeah, Scott and
I have a speaking of.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Games, speaking of games, speaking of games, we do have
a game we like to play at the end with
all of our guests. So if you have a minute,
which might absolutely.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Yes, we're back.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We're here with Darcy Carded, who is very again graciously
agreed to play a game I play. It's called love
It or Loathe It? And Darcy. In this game, we
are going to launch some items at you, some subjects, things, people, places, music, activities.
You tell us if you love that thing or you
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loathe that thing. There can be no in between. There's
no shades of gray here.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Okay, do you guys like explanations or just sort of.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
That's all we want. It's not rapid fire.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It is slow slow burn. Okay, yes, a slow burn.
Oh I love this good?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, starting a starting off with a love correct, you're
on your way to winning. Okay, Darcy, love it or
loath it? Next one Disneyland love It?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I do love it well. Growing up, we went once
a year, and we went the day after Thanksgiving every years.
No guess what the least busy day or one of
the least busy days. By the way, I don't know
how that makes sense, because people would have that Friday off.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Anyway, I have really fond memories of our yearly trip there,
and then as an adult, I probably go like once
every couple of years. It's fun to go with other adults.
It's really fun to go with like nieces and nephews
and kids that I have never been before, so I
I love it. It really is nostalgic for me. And yeah,
I'm not even gonna I'm not even gonna like I
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can say bad things about it, but I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
To because this is love it or love yep yeph.
Do you know I've never been.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Oh my, you've never been to Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Not California, not Disneyland, but you've been to disney California.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I've been to disney World.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Disney World seems so overwhelming to me and huge. Disneyland
I love because you can just do it in a day. Yeah,
we took We took our nephews there for the first
time we went. We got there right when it opened,
like whatever that is, eight o'clock and by four pm
they were done. They were like, happily done. That's a
great day.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
See, that's a great day.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
That's a non overwhelming yes, pleasant. Yeah, No, I'm it's
not out of protest.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I would love to go.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Now here's a weird thing. I met my husband at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Not weird and okay, not weird.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
No, No, I would not say we're not like Disney
adults or anything. I don't. We're not like we don't
have Disney tattoos or anything. I was visiting friends in La.
He was in their friend group, so I was like
the friend visiting and this is obviously years ago, so
many years ago. So they brought me their friend to
Disneyland with their group of friends, and so we met
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at Disneyland. So the first day we spent together was
at Disneyland. So it's even it's even more special.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Did you guys kiss on Small World?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Hey? Can you imagine we like met, We're strangers and
we just like kiss in front of all the friends, like,
who's this new girl that's kissing Jason? And on the
Small World ride. No, but I will say he did
do a cute little thing like a sort of jokingly
like held my hand on one on Mister Toad's Wild Ride.
It's hard to even explain, but it wasn't like we
were romantically holding hands, but he sort of was pretending
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that like he was my parent and I was the
kid or whatever. Yeah, but when he held my hand,
I was kind of like, hub, that is listen.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I think the fact that you aren't Disney adults makes
the story all the sweeter because you just that happened you.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You love Disneyland. You're not obsessed with it, and it
would be fine if you were. But everyone needs a purpose.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
But this is something that you just happen to really enjoy,
and that's where you met Jason.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I know. Wild Well that's just sweet. Okay, that's I
love it, absolutely love it.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Holy it's gonna be hard to top that, Darcy. Love
it or loathe it? Meeting your heroes.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Wow, Okay, okay, okay, honestly.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
This is hard.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
It's so hard, but I'm going to say love it. Yeah,
not that I know we can't do shades of grain,
not that it all not that meeting my heroes has
been a plus's every time, but I would I think
ultimately I would have rather met them than not, and
most of them have been so wonderful that it's a
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lot of it. It's a love it. It's a love it.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, well, you said it's there's no gray area. I
mean I said it first. You're just playing the game
that I write am making you play, So yes, it is.
Let's just admit it can.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Be dicey sometimes because.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
What if something just does.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
But on the whole on the whole, I think and
and yeah, I think, more often than not it's been
great and and even I would say wonderful and amazing
and and and you know, life changingly amazing. But a
few times it's it has been like huh. And I
even I even sort of find myself like when I've
met people that I worship, idolized, or my heroes or whatever,
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I sometimes have kept the conversations very short out of
fear you must.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You're like, let's just keep this superficial service before anything.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yes, One one that I'll just mention is Maya Rudolph,
who you know, was like a major, major, major hero
of mine. I mean, is but was you know, Yes,
I remember, maybe ten years ago, maybe more, being at
a birthday party that she was at and when my
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friend was like, let me introduce you, I said no
and I left the party. I didn't want to meet her.
I loved her too much. And then she became a
cast member on the Good Place. And I remember when
I heard that she was going to be on I
was I was so stressed out, and I was like
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it was I went beyond excited back over to like stressed.
You know, it was not it was like, as soon
as I heard it was.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Like, oh no, your brain can make any good thing. Yeah,
but understandably stress.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yes, yeah, because if it's bad, it's gonna be bad.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I can't leave the party.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yeah, And I and the first couple of days she
was on set, I was polite but avoided her, you know,
just sort of stuck to myself. And then I let
my guard down or whatever whatever happened there and became
dear wonderful friends. And she, as you know, is one
of just the best people on earth. And that was
like a real if we're if we're picking one and
there are some well, no wonder I.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Gotta say, in terms of meeting your heroes, that's like
the best possible. Yeah. Yeah, because then it's like the.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Hero is brought to earth.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And more than that, it because your friend.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So it's like, I mean, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
The best of all of all worlds.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
And off, Mike, I'll tell you some bad ones.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
If you don't mind, because I'm sure, Oh love it
or low the Darcy Smashing Pumpkins.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Love it the band the band Okay, but as I
was saying it, I have tould be fun to smash pumpkins.
I mean I guess either way.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, well that's true. Cathartic.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Can you say the band name in a way that's
not overthought as I was overthinking it.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Just say it smashing Pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Smashing pumpkins. But you did great, Smashing pumpkins.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Is that the way? Okay, totally, I've never said.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
The band name.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
No, you just did it perfectly. It would be so
funny if it was like, oh, you say it like
Smission Pumpkins. You said it wrong. It's Smission pumpkins. You
have to say it smashing. No, just regular old smashing pumpkins.
Love them so much. And I'll tell you maybe the
reason that this is in this quiz right now is
because you did some fact checking, fact finding, which is
(44:55):
that my name was I was born d A r
c Y and in junior high I was so in
love with that band and the bassis was de Apostrophe
capital at r c Y that I switched mine. I
never looked back.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I love that. What did what? How what did that entail?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
But for like I mean, like do I get checks
that are de Apoty, Yeah, I mean it's that's my name.
That's my mind.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I did you ask your parents, like, how did it work?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (45:22):
I did change you know what. I didn't do it
until I changed my last name. I didn't officially, like
you can kind of just do whatever you want, sure,
But when I went to like the Social Security Office,
that's when I did officially.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
When you change from your maiden name to your.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Name, yeah, I changed it when I was like thirteen
or so, but I officially changed it in my adult life,
in my.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Twelve See, I I'm in awe of that.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I never wanted to change my name, but to have
that certainty and to have an idol, I'm assuming she was.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
If not a idol, she.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
She was just something like there was that. It was
specifically during that like early nineties grunge music period that
I uset I was obsessed with made it my full personality.
Loved Nirvana and Pearl Jam and all those bands, and
there were very few women, and I mean very few,
(46:20):
and Darcy Retzki was one of was just one of them.
She just was like one woman that I loved the
band and she just sort of embodied a lot of
you know, she just embodied like coolness to me.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, longtime listeners will know. Yeah, I am not a
music head, so I'm unfamiliar with this person, and I
just googled her, and Darcy Retzki seems like the coolest
person who ever lived. Totally also a little bit terrifying.
I know, I know she's gonna haunt my dreams.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Yeah, she's rad, bleach blonde hair, played the bass. Like
when I tell you, I've never heard her voice, like,
she's not she's like, you know, she's just mysterious and
cool and I and I my relationship with Smashing Pumpkins
is very nineties based, like I'm not I don't know
their stuff now. I haven't seen them in concert lately.
(47:16):
It's all from my teenage years, which feels very like nostalgic.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you know, yeah, whether you go love love Smashing
pump Yes, Darcy, guess what You've won the game?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You got all the points.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Oh my god, thank you so much for waking.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
We're talking with us. Well, we had fun.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Is there any with There's lots, but is there anything specific,
any projects, any shows that you would like to take
this opportunity to promote.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Plug Okay, I would like to plug. Yes, a little show,
my new podcast which is out now. It's called Wiki Hole.
It's a Wikipedia trivia show. So this kind of goes
right into my love of games. I would love for
(48:03):
you guys to both be on it. What do you
think of trivia? Ellie? I know Scott loves it.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I'm bad at it.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
You are, okay, But actually, you know what, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
It doesn't matter. I call heart's there.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yeah, I call this dummy trivia because it is like
you would be amazed at the smart people we've had
on that don't know things and the dumb people we've
had on that know everything. So that's the fun thing
about that wicked idea is that you sort of just
like go down a rabbit hole. Yeah, Wiki Hole. Listen
to it, you know, wherever the heppy you listen to
podcasts anywhere? Yeah, anywhere, And new episodes come out every Monday.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
I mean, I just speaking for myself, I am a
huge fan of trivia. I'm a huge reader of Wikipedia,
and I'm a huge fan of yours. So I will
certainly be.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Listening Stars Alive. I can't wait to listen. Congratulations to that.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Thanks you guys. It's been so so so fun. I've
had only fun. Yes, which is nice.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Jersey. Thank you so much for being here. This is
a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
It's been an absolute blast for me. I'm a big
fan of this podcast and I'm thrilled to be on.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh now, You've just made our day, Darcy, so thank you.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
And I implore you listeners, if you haven't listened to
the Justin Long episode, go back and listen to that one.
It's a great one, Darcy. Thank you, listen more more, Darcy.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
We're your biggest fan.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Thank you for taking We know you're very busy, so
thank you for taking the time to spend an hour
with us, and we'll see.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
You next time.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Friends, thanks for listening to Born to Love. We'll be
back next week with brand new things that we love.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
We want to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Leave us a review in Apple Podcasts and tell us
what you love. We might even ask one of our
guests in an upcoming love it or loave it.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Born to Love is hosted and created by Elli Kemper
and Scott Ecker.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Our executive producer is Aaron Coffman. Our producers are Sheena
Ozaki and Zoe Danklab.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Born to Love is part of Will Ferrell's Big Money
Players Network in collect admiration with iHeart Podcasts Special thanks
to Hans Sonny
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Rachel Kaplan and Adrianna Cassiano, Michael Fails, Alex Korl, and
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