January 9, 2024 • 29 mins
Ellie and Scott are joined by actress and comedian, Michaela Watkins. Michaela shares her love of the iconic TV show, Sex and the City. She shares how her relationship with each character has changed, and she isn’t afraid to talk about some of the show’s problems. Plus, she gives Ellie and Scott her STRONG takes on melons! Scott shares his family’s newfound love of puzzles.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
To Love.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hey everyone, I'm Ellie Kemper and I'm Scott Eckert. This
is our podcast Born to Love, where we have guests
on to talk about something anything in the world that
they love.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hi, Scott, Hi Ellie, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I'm well. I'm excited for our guest Mikaela Watkins today.
She's going to talk about something that I know you're
a fan of. I'm less of Sex and the City.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, first and foremost, let's clarify sex and the City.
A lot of people have always thought that it's sex
in the city.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I mean, I'm a fan of sex in the city.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Bringing that Jock Jan energy. Do you love the da?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Actually? You know what I learned this week that I
was born to love something that is the opposite of
Jock jam energy. And I'm probably about to blow your mind, Ellie,
because I would have blown my own mind if I
told myself that I love this thing. A couple nights ago,
my wife busts out of the closet and just on
her own for no good reason at all, she started
(01:16):
to construct a thousand piece puzzle. Oh my gosh, she
just took over the coffee table in our little TV room,
and while the rest of us watching TV like normal Americans,
enjoying ourselves, she just starts puzzling. She's got this thousand
piece puzzle assembled from all these posters from national parks,
(01:40):
national parks, Ellie, A lot of them have trees, so
it's a tricky it's a tricky puzzle. And I reflexively
was like, why are you doing that? A puzzle that
maybe like a vacation activity, something old people do once
they're retired. And it took about twenty minutes before I
found myself completely sucked in.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I'm not kidding at all, Scott.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I wish one part of you were kidding. I loathe
a puzzle. I'm not good at them. They made me
feel stupid. The eight piece puzzles my three year old
used to do. Now he's up till twelve or sixteen.
A thousand piece puzzle is something I would never get
(02:29):
sucked into. What about it drew you in?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, it's hard for me to explain it, Ellie, because
I shared your attitude. I shared your attitude until I
found myself doing it. And the thing is that a
thousand pieces. When it's that many pieces, it's different from
the twelve piece puzzle to twenty piece puzzle, because like,
a smart person should be able to solve one of
(02:54):
those smaller puzzles. And I consider myself a smart enough guy,
but they often make me feel like a oh really,
whereas this thousand a thousand pieces, it's a herculean feet
for anyone.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
What I don't understand about a puzzle that large is
there has to be strategy involved, right, Like if there
are so many trees.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
In trees in Yosemite, trees.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Of Yosemite, trees of Yellowstone, trees in.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Grand Teton, Teton Teton, how do you say that it's
Grand Teton. But now that you say, I mean, I'm
pretty sure it's Grand Teton. I don't think it's Giton.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
There are so many parks with trees mm hmm. And
so to sit here and think, oh, well, one tree. Yeah,
there are different kinds of trees, but essentially they're all
green and brown. So I don't know how you're going
to distinguish one from the other, and you can't. You're
sitting here and you find yourself unable to explain to
me what sucks you in.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, I mean, I can try, I can take a
stab at it. It's that there's so many pieces. It's
not about the cleverest person. It's just about sticking with it.
And then when you find two pieces that go together,
maybe because there's a letter on them, right, you say,
oh wait, this isn't a treat. This has got the
why this, this is why is a particular yellow? Oh
(04:17):
I see that particularly, Oh my gosh, why this is
for yell? Oh my gosh. And then they fit together
and I'm doing this. My wife is doing this. Slowly
but surely. My kids start helping out little on the edges.
They're not as engrossed as we are, but they make
they make some contributions, right, And the next thing you know,
you don't just have the corners. You've got you've got
(04:39):
the border, and you've got some patches in the middle.
And slowly but surely it's accruing. The picture is coming together.
You're seeing it.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
She started this one night because a madness seized her.
And then the next morning we woke up early no
and the next hour, almost against our will, we found
ourselves puzzling. We were puzzlers. We completed this, Ellie, it's done.
Producers may need to cut out a pause here because
(05:09):
I'm about to just blow your mind just one second.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Okay, I have a feeling I know exactly what he's doing.
I think he's bringing in the puzzle. He's gone into
a closet. He framed. The puzzle's done. The puzzle's done,
The puzzle is completed. Why are you able to hold
it up?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
My wife was so excited by our achievement finishing this
puzzle that she immediately went onto Amazon and bought this
special puzzle sticky paper that allows you to stick together
a completed puzzle.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
The puzzles completed. It's National Parks. There's a thousand pieces,
but to me it looks like one because it is.
You assemble all of the thousand pieces together as one
as one. Yeah, Scott, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
We put our names on it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Here's what I wanted to tell you. As much as
much as I was resisting the siren, it wasn't a
siren call to me. As much as I was resisting
your puzzle, I was thinking, no, I would never I
would never end. Slowly, but surely, the more you talked
about it over the past eight minutes or so, I
too found myself getting drawn in and there's no puzzle
(06:19):
near me. But what do you if you had one?
Guess what do you think. I'm a little tempted to
pull out tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Keep it clean, not something out of the underwear drawer.
A puzzle. I'm gonna guess a.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Puzzle, and we do have. I'm not sure we have
a thousand piece puzzle because my kids are young and
my husband and I aren't puzzlers. But I know that
we have like a five hundred around here somewhere.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Maybe a five hundred satisfying. But like I said, I
do think the fact that it's so daunting is a
part of it. I never once felt stupid.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I love it that the five hundred was instantly dismissed.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It wasn't, I said, it's right on the quits, right
on the border. Because I think that the immensity of
it is important, because otherwise it's like seventy five pieces,
It's like I should be able to do this, but
a thousand piece it's like impossible. I may as well
just know what. Oh hey, I see that. I see that,
and the next thing I know, I'm imagining puzzle pieces
in my mind while I sleep. That's Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, your love is clear, it's coming through. Congratulations
to you and Vanessa and your kids who did help.
It's an accomplishment, but that's not the point. I guess.
I think the love was the journey, right.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It was the journey. But on the other hand, it
was the destination a little bit. Because we love this
framed puzzle of ours national parks. Check it out.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
What is it doing in a closet? I mean put
it out on the front door.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Well, the frames on the way. It's in the closet
temporarily because I don't want my kids to mess it up.
At one point after we finished it, one of the
pieces got knocked off and we couldn't find it, and
my wife was livid. Yeah, she was yelling and ranting
and raved. And then we found it, so we stuck
it in the classets. So it's to not rep it.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Repeat that I understand, all right, Scott, love a puzzle,
Love you love.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Mikayla Watkins Mikhaila Watkins, fantastic, hilarious actress, hilarious comedian. She's
in the movie Paint with Owen Wilson about Bob Ross.
I believe that it's streaming on AMC Plus. Also, you
hurt my feelings with Julia Louis Dreyfuss. She was the
star of Casual on Hulu. Very funny, very talented. Mikaela Watkins.
We can't wait to talk to her about Sex and
(08:28):
the City.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
All Right, everyone, we are here with the lovely, talented, hilarious, beautiful, smart,
very passionate woman about what she loves. Mikaela Watkins.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Hi, Mikayla, Hi, Ellie. I'm so touched that you're having me.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Mikhayla. You are a woman of many loves, but one
of those top loves I believe I've been told because
you told us is Sex and the City.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's right. I love all of those words. Yeah, but
I love it as a series, and I think it
always surprises people when I tell them that that is
a huge leve of them. I was.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I won't lie, I was surprised. Let's get our SATC status.
I like the show. I've never not liked the show.
I'm always game. Scott, what's your SATC status?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Aware of it? A fan of the idea of it?
I don't. I think I may have only seen two
or three episodes in their entirety. But I'm very aware
of the conversation. I'm surprised you're not a little hotter, Ellie,
because I remember when the new reboot came out, you
had just like you watched it like the day it
came out and loved it. That was my recollection. So
(09:45):
you're pretending not to be a fan, but I think
you may be a true fan.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'm playing it cool. No, no, no, no, You're not
wrong about any of those things. Scott, and I'll talk
you through my journey, but I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I don't qualify as a love I think maybe that's
a good way to start. I'll tell you what my
journey of Sex and the City is because I am
of the age where people were having sex and the
city parties. I completely missed that window and I did
not watch it live. In fact, I would think I
(10:19):
was still semi self loathy of my feminine side, Like
I hung out with all dudes and I was in
the gay Yeah I can hang And so Sex and
the City was a little cloying and a little shrill.
(10:39):
This is all like o key misogyny. I guess I
just didn't have any interest and I was in my twenties.
I was living in New York City and felt like, well,
I'm kind of living in you know, Sex and the City.
I don't need to watch it. And then, after a
series of weird relationships, my first official one night stay
(11:00):
and maybe i'd been like totally defrauded by a boyfriend,
like had stories, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Financially defrauded.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh yeah, horribow pathological liar and karma never found this guy.
That's no, he's doing fine. He was very charming and
I imagine that's always worked for him. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So I was moving to La, a city that I
never truly wanted to live in because you know, as
far as cities go, La doesn't have it right. And
I moved into the department and I'm a night owl. Ellie,
I have a feeling you're an early birdie.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I am an early birdie. How did you notice that?
I just had a feeling this might surprise you. Turns
out our friend Scott is an early birdie.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm well, i'd shifted. I used to be a night
owl and then I got old, and now I find
myself waking up at five in the morning and like
it's the saddest thing in the world. Yeah, I go
to sleep at nine maybe nine thirty. Wow, I know,
but that's not your journey. You're a night owl in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's the worst place to be a night owl because
Los Angeles is an early birdie town. Everything shuts down
at ten. So I'm up all night and my brain
is going because I'm young and single, anxiety ridden, and
I have no money. You just don't know how life
is gonna unfold. And I decided, well, I should probably
paint my entire apartment.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, that makes sense if you can't be out and
you're up.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
All night, and what is the only other place that's
up with me? Home depot. Oh so I go to
home depot and I buy the worst choice of paint.
I buy yellow for my living room, lavender for the kitchenette.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
The first time that someone paints the home that they
live in, yeah, in my experience, everyone is like, I'm
going to do whimsical colors in each room, and then
the second they're like, oh, no, white's fine. Yeah that's
what happened to me. We painted our whole house all
these different colors and then instantaneously regretted it because beige
(13:20):
is just going to do the trick.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
There's a reason that houses are beige and white.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Anyway, I go to Homeeop. I come home and I'm like,
I've started something my little body might not be able
to finish, but I'm feeling energized. And I turn on
the TV and e was doing a twenty four hour
Sex and the City marathons. So it got me good
because I was in a state of weakness, alone, desperate,
(13:47):
painting fully inhaling paint fumes and.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Was there a way open?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Mikayla, who knows you know what I mean? We thought
we were going to live forever.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right, we were yacht we were yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
With painting. We were young. And every time the thing
comes on, I find that I am so happy. And
then every single damn thing that was happening in that
show I was relating to. And it's not a show
about dating at all. No, it's a show about friendship. Yeah,
And I think it's also a show about the four
(14:21):
parts of the feminine. And I think the mark of
a healthy woman is that you integrate all those four parts.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yes, the way you just described the show is so
brilliant to me because that's exactly right. It is four parts.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
What are the four parts? What's a Miranda? Carrieus, Charlotte
and a Samantha. I know one of them is like
a sexye. Right. Kim Catrau's character like the lustful one.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right, she's the most sex positive. Yes, she knows what
she wants, she knows she wants to get it. She's
not apologetic.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
She's a bus and she is absolute in charge of
her sexuality.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
What are the other parts? What are the other three
of them?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So then there's Miranda, who is the feminist. She's a
lawyer and she's angry that she has to sublimate some
of her self in order to get late or have
a relationship.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, Mikaela, how would you describe Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Charlotte, she's like a Martha Stewart, she couldn't wait to
grow up in play house, but is also an art curator,
so she's got this deeper side.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And Carrie, I would say, is what the every gal?
The working woman? Yeah, seems to live honestly, but doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Carrie, I would say, is like the one that everybody
likes to think they are. Yeah. Yeah, there's so many
seasons of this show. There's two movies and then there's
a new one coming out. I can't. So there's a
lot that I've consumed and it's all just in the
cloud in my brain.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
When you mentioned there's a new one coming out, I
got a little burst of butterflies in my tummy, because
not nervous butterflies, excited butterflies. I'm nervous.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Everybody's like, you even loved the new one, and I say,
I say, yes, yeah, here's why I love the new one.
It is so flawed and we are all so flawed. Yeah,
let's get back to Miranda after being married to kind
of a dou fist because she did in a waste attle.
Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What is his name again?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Brady?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, Brady is the baby Steve? Steve, Steve and I
do an impression.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I gotta hear it?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Now, what Steve sound like?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This is it? Why did you got it?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Do yet?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Brady's just gonna go walking by himself and down the street?
Me scare it is?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Does he act talk like that in real life? Or
is that a choice?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Did Steve come from Middle Earth?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It is the most abrasive and mean thing the writers
could have done to Miranda's you know, but it really
they really played the long game with her, because the
truth is, let's just assume Steve is like the greatest
little lesbian we've all known, because you know, it was
like flying wash. But then, yeah, she falls in love
(17:18):
with a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay, but does that woman identify as a woman.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, you're right, cha is non binary.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Twists, fast and furious. I love it. This is the
best way you do experience sex in the City.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But let's be honest, Sex and the City is very
problematic in a lot of ways. Yes, in body shame,
they have made jokes at trans people's expense, they have
been like excruciatingly heteronormative and for white women lead the show.
So they come back with just like that, and they
took all the notes, and they did it really clunkly,
(17:53):
well intentioned and clunkily, much like many of the white women.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Myself and myself, Scott, you did not watch just like that.
Watching it was such an experience and roller coaster, and
you put it perfectly to try to correct improve upon
what has already been laid down. What decades ago, two
decades ago, three decades ago is a monumental task.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
If I'm going to claim to love something, I can't
sit here and say that everything about it is great.
I have to be honest and tell you it is
a flawed show. But when I was in a relationship,
I looked to that show and every single time there
would be some line of wisdom somewhere in that show
(18:42):
that was so the thing I needed to hear. Yes,
and when you're on the road in a hotel room
and like some pod on town, living out of your
suitcase for a month, you hear that theme song of
Sex and the City, I just feel like everything's going
to be okay.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I got goosebumps as you said that.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I got goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Because I know and you say sex in the City
and people might get a certain notion in their heads,
like it's corny or outdated. Yes, and first rule of improv,
it's other things too, because it does have the silliness,
and it does have the arguably cancelable moments.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Definitely canceled, definitely, But it's just so much fun. Oh,
it's pageantry, it's some of it. It's so frivolous and
stupid exactly, and it will never be our lives. And
that's okay too, an escapism because it's not my thing either.
But you know what do I want to do? Watch
a whole hour of like women having cramps? No, that's it.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
It's way more fun to watch women be awesome and
hook up and then talk to their friends. I'm completely convinced,
as I was never a sex in the City skeptic,
but now I got to check it out.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Do you want to hear something funny I do. I
was talking to a guy at work one time and
he I told him about my abiding love for sex
and City and he was shocked and he's like a guy,
He's like a man, mister, mister man. Yeah, and he's like, really, goes,
I was against that show and I said why and
(20:15):
he goes because in college, like all these women were
watching it and then they were like acting like these women.
I go, what do you mean acting like them? And
he's like just thinking they could just go and have sex.
And I just looked at him and I was like, ah, okay,
So when guys do that, what is that called? Yeah?
What's this double standard? And I don't need to do
(20:36):
that for myself. That's not comfortable for me. And in
that way that probably makes me a Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, who are you, Ellie?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think I'm a Carrey. Interesting of the four, I
would say I'm a.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Carrey and Michaylae you said I.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Would say I when I came into the show, I
was a Carrie. Then my Miranda came out fiercely, and
when I fell in love by Charlotte came out strong.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
And I'm a mister big right.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yes, got you're as You're a total mister big Well.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I love it. I can't wait to check it out.
Thank you so much, Michaela, for sharing your love and
your wisdom. Would you have a couple of minutes to
stick around for a game that we like to play
the end called love It or Loathe It?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, I love games. If you looked at my list
of things, I love games is one of them.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Okay, everyone, it's time for our favorite game and only game. Mikaela.
This is called love it or Loathe It. It's very straightforward.
We're going to throw some items at you and you
simply have to tell us if you love the thing
or load the thing that you can't be lukewarm about
the thing. There is no in between.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, there's no in between. Okay, got it all right?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
MICHAELA love it or loath it? Wordle love love. I
thought you might because it's a game.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, I've played every variation of it too.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Do you know I've never played wordle? Oh jeetz ellie,
I've never I know.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I was going to ask what the minimum number you've
ever gotten is? How many guesses? The fewest guesses?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
One? I got it in one?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You got it in one?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Did you cheat? No?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Oh? Wow?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
No one at dis What word was it?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Moist?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
That was your first word? I love it. Mikhayla Walkee
comes on talking about how she loves sex in the
city and her first word in wordle is moist. Well
on brand, it's not all the.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right letters in it. Come on it does?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's exactly?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Love it? Or loads it? Flying on airplanes?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Hate loads?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Loa?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Why Mikaela why, I'm just a bad fly. I've gotten better,
but thanks to alcoholic Yeah, barbituous.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Exactly, that always helps. And rom coms, Oh, I'm sorry,
that's as That's been a lifelong low.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Started around thirteen for some reason, when I became aware
of like what was happening?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Did you sit down and think about what's happening. It's psychotic.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, I was like, this is not right, no, and
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
What I don't understand is how everyone shuts their shades now.
I'm like, yeah, first of all, for peace of mind,
I want to be able to look at okay, I.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Want to make sure that little thing is spinning in
the engine too.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yes, I'm sorry you low that. I I gotta be honest.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I love it, you love it? Oh you were so
you were relating so hard.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I thought, I know I was.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I have.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I have way too much faith in authority and like physics,
and so I feel like, Okay, the odds of something
happening are low, and also someone else is in charge,
so I'm safe. It's false comfort.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I'm sure I'm going to break a piece of that
off and wear it because I think we're very compatible,
you and I like if we were to run a country,
we would cover a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
MICHAELA. I think we complement each other. Meeting complements with
an E, like we fill out what would the other mind?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I have?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So please borrow my love of flying.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm going to call you ll ee's e's with.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Lines yeah, all right, love it or loath it?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Name necklaces, I would say, not my thing. I know
I have to feel strongly about it. I love it, Okay,
I know.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I know it's only one or the others, so I know, I.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Know, yeah, I have bought them for people. That's why
I was like, well, I want other people to have them.
I just wouldn't wear one myself.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It seems like something that that would be better as
a gift if you went out and bought a necklace
with your own name on. It seems a little narcissistic.
Love it or load that Mikhayla Cantilope.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Okay, we went there.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I mean, love it or loathe it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
When I was a child, I loved it. As an adult,
I what happened. Melons in general are just like they
don't hold fun. I know every time you're always picking
through them because by the time you buy them, they've
got that like gelatinous so I know around them, I know.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Oh they're terrible. It's a loath worthy for sure. But
one possible exception with pershutto. I do like pershutto and
melon pershuoto.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I will give you that, and I would say that's
what my grandmother used to do is there would be
like a cut channel lobe on the table waiting for you.
Honeydew can go goodself?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
No, no, noe.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is invariably bad.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's never good.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So green as to be white. Yes, it's never fresh.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And I don't think any of these melons hold up well.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
None.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
And speaking of airplanes and thinking that it's always what
you get if you have to get fruit at the
airport store, it's always.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That oh yeah, you eat the blueberries and then you
try to get past the honeydew. And they really loaded
up with that honeydew because it's big and cheap. But
have you ever gotten an edible arrangement? Because that is
another thing I would say, I love.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The edible arrangements. Absolutely loads worthy, financial downturns, the pandemic,
and yet edible arrangements stands strong. The cockroach of corporations,
thank you, the cockroach of bouquet because there's always going
to be a critical mass of people who are like,
it's cute to send fruit instead of flowers.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You that is it.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It is a cockroach of bouquets.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yep, yep, perfect speaking of cockroaches, No, not really, I
don't want to lead you one way or the other.
Now this might be random, but I was just there.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, New Jersey, Okay, I know it used to be
called the garbage state when it's the garden state. But
I will tell you the Palisades Parkway gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh, I know, gorgeous, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And you stop and they have little farm stads, grocery
stores like in the median of a highway.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Fantastic. That's not what they show you when Tony Soprano
is going home, because that's Elizabeth, New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
That's where my mother's from. She's from Elizabeth. It is
aitch pit Newark Airports. It was too short. This is
probably my fear of flying. Planes were crashing one after another,
and then the elongated, the landing terrifying.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I would I don't want to be on that plate.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Well, this was before my time. But my mom, you know,
we're Jews, so we love a tragedy story.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Your mom would tell you those stories. Is that what
you know? On repeat? I think we just under some
stuff right now.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That's that's definitely why they don't crash anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Mikaela. They extended the runway but yes, I understand.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Me, Mikayla, last one, love it or low that jigsaw
puzzles love love, Oh my.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Gosh, I knew she would.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
What's the ideal number of pieces? The ideal number of
pieces for a puzzle?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Thousand piece puzzle, a thousand Oh look at that? Oh
look at that. Scott is showing me a puzzle, big.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Puzzle, holding up my my framed thousand piece puzzle. Just
finished it this week.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, that's ideal. I'm in a puzzle group.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
She's in a puzzle group.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
A puzzle group, and we get together every few months
and a different person hosts, but we do it in
one night.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
No you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, and gossip and we have a cocktail and we
have high end snacks.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
You get together, yeah, and complete it. So everyone's assembling.
I mean, I'll do the math. Two hundred pieces.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah. Wow, I get so hyper focused. But it's one
of those comforting things where there's like conversation happening while
your hands are busy, your mind is mindless, and it's
just such a soothing thing.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I love. He couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Mikayla, thank you so much for being on our show
and for talking with us. Thank you, Mikayla, Thanks for
taking a swing with me.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Thanks for listening to Born to Love. We'll be back
next week with brand new things that we love.
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Speaker 4 (29:02):
Born to Love is hosted and created by Elli Kemper
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Speaker 3 (29:06):
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No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
To Love.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hey everyone, I'm Ellie Kemper and I'm Scott Eckert. This
is our podcast Born to Love, where we have guests
on to talk about something anything in the world that
they love.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hi, Scott, Hi Ellie, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I'm well. I'm excited for our guest Mikaela Watkins today.
She's going to talk about something that I know you're
a fan of. I'm less of Sex and the City.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, first and foremost, let's clarify sex and the City.
A lot of people have always thought that it's sex
in the city.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I mean, I'm a fan of sex in the city.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Bringing that Jock Jan energy. Do you love the da?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Actually? You know what I learned this week that I
was born to love something that is the opposite of
Jock jam energy. And I'm probably about to blow your mind, Ellie,
because I would have blown my own mind if I
told myself that I love this thing. A couple nights ago,
my wife busts out of the closet and just on
her own for no good reason at all, she started
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to construct a thousand piece puzzle. Oh my gosh, she
just took over the coffee table in our little TV room,
and while the rest of us watching TV like normal Americans,
enjoying ourselves, she just starts puzzling. She's got this thousand
piece puzzle assembled from all these posters from national parks,
(01:40):
national parks, Ellie, A lot of them have trees, so
it's a tricky it's a tricky puzzle. And I reflexively
was like, why are you doing that? A puzzle that
maybe like a vacation activity, something old people do once
they're retired. And it took about twenty minutes before I
found myself completely sucked in.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I'm not kidding at all, Scott.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I wish one part of you were kidding. I loathe
a puzzle. I'm not good at them. They made me
feel stupid. The eight piece puzzles my three year old
used to do. Now he's up till twelve or sixteen.
A thousand piece puzzle is something I would never get
(02:29):
sucked into. What about it drew you in?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, it's hard for me to explain it, Ellie, because
I shared your attitude. I shared your attitude until I
found myself doing it. And the thing is that a
thousand pieces. When it's that many pieces, it's different from
the twelve piece puzzle to twenty piece puzzle, because like,
a smart person should be able to solve one of
(02:54):
those smaller puzzles. And I consider myself a smart enough guy,
but they often make me feel like a oh really,
whereas this thousand a thousand pieces, it's a herculean feet
for anyone.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
What I don't understand about a puzzle that large is
there has to be strategy involved, right, Like if there
are so many trees.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
In trees in Yosemite, trees.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Of Yosemite, trees of Yellowstone, trees in.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Grand Teton, Teton Teton, how do you say that it's
Grand Teton. But now that you say, I mean, I'm
pretty sure it's Grand Teton. I don't think it's Giton.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
There are so many parks with trees mm hmm. And
so to sit here and think, oh, well, one tree. Yeah,
there are different kinds of trees, but essentially they're all
green and brown. So I don't know how you're going
to distinguish one from the other, and you can't. You're
sitting here and you find yourself unable to explain to
me what sucks you in.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, I mean, I can try, I can take a
stab at it. It's that there's so many pieces. It's
not about the cleverest person. It's just about sticking with it.
And then when you find two pieces that go together,
maybe because there's a letter on them, right, you say,
oh wait, this isn't a treat. This has got the
why this, this is why is a particular yellow? Oh
(04:17):
I see that particularly, Oh my gosh, why this is
for yell? Oh my gosh. And then they fit together
and I'm doing this. My wife is doing this. Slowly
but surely. My kids start helping out little on the edges.
They're not as engrossed as we are, but they make
they make some contributions, right, And the next thing you know,
you don't just have the corners. You've got you've got
(04:39):
the border, and you've got some patches in the middle.
And slowly but surely it's accruing. The picture is coming together.
You're seeing it.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
She started this one night because a madness seized her.
And then the next morning we woke up early no
and the next hour, almost against our will, we found
ourselves puzzling. We were puzzlers. We completed this, Ellie, it's done.
Producers may need to cut out a pause here because
(05:09):
I'm about to just blow your mind just one second.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Okay, I have a feeling I know exactly what he's doing.
I think he's bringing in the puzzle. He's gone into
a closet. He framed. The puzzle's done. The puzzle's done,
The puzzle is completed. Why are you able to hold
it up?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
My wife was so excited by our achievement finishing this
puzzle that she immediately went onto Amazon and bought this
special puzzle sticky paper that allows you to stick together
a completed puzzle.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
The puzzles completed. It's National Parks. There's a thousand pieces,
but to me it looks like one because it is.
You assemble all of the thousand pieces together as one
as one. Yeah, Scott, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
We put our names on it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Here's what I wanted to tell you. As much as
much as I was resisting the siren, it wasn't a
siren call to me. As much as I was resisting
your puzzle, I was thinking, no, I would never I
would never end. Slowly, but surely, the more you talked
about it over the past eight minutes or so, I
too found myself getting drawn in and there's no puzzle
(06:19):
near me. But what do you if you had one?
Guess what do you think. I'm a little tempted to
pull out tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Keep it clean, not something out of the underwear drawer.
A puzzle. I'm gonna guess a.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Puzzle, and we do have. I'm not sure we have
a thousand piece puzzle because my kids are young and
my husband and I aren't puzzlers. But I know that
we have like a five hundred around here somewhere.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Maybe a five hundred satisfying. But like I said, I
do think the fact that it's so daunting is a
part of it. I never once felt stupid.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I love it that the five hundred was instantly dismissed.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It wasn't, I said, it's right on the quits, right
on the border. Because I think that the immensity of
it is important, because otherwise it's like seventy five pieces,
It's like I should be able to do this, but
a thousand piece it's like impossible. I may as well
just know what. Oh hey, I see that. I see that,
and the next thing I know, I'm imagining puzzle pieces
in my mind while I sleep. That's Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, your love is clear, it's coming through. Congratulations
to you and Vanessa and your kids who did help.
It's an accomplishment, but that's not the point. I guess.
I think the love was the journey, right.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It was the journey. But on the other hand, it
was the destination a little bit. Because we love this
framed puzzle of ours national parks. Check it out.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
What is it doing in a closet? I mean put
it out on the front door.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Well, the frames on the way. It's in the closet
temporarily because I don't want my kids to mess it up.
At one point after we finished it, one of the
pieces got knocked off and we couldn't find it, and
my wife was livid. Yeah, she was yelling and ranting
and raved. And then we found it, so we stuck
it in the classets. So it's to not rep it.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Repeat that I understand, all right, Scott, love a puzzle,
Love you love.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Mikayla Watkins Mikhaila Watkins, fantastic, hilarious actress, hilarious comedian. She's
in the movie Paint with Owen Wilson about Bob Ross.
I believe that it's streaming on AMC Plus. Also, you
hurt my feelings with Julia Louis Dreyfuss. She was the
star of Casual on Hulu. Very funny, very talented. Mikaela Watkins.
We can't wait to talk to her about Sex and
(08:28):
the City.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
All Right, everyone, we are here with the lovely, talented, hilarious, beautiful, smart,
very passionate woman about what she loves. Mikaela Watkins.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Hi, Mikayla, Hi, Ellie. I'm so touched that you're having me.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Mikhayla. You are a woman of many loves, but one
of those top loves I believe I've been told because
you told us is Sex and the City.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's right. I love all of those words. Yeah, but
I love it as a series, and I think it
always surprises people when I tell them that that is
a huge leve of them. I was.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I won't lie, I was surprised. Let's get our SATC status.
I like the show. I've never not liked the show.
I'm always game. Scott, what's your SATC status?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Aware of it? A fan of the idea of it?
I don't. I think I may have only seen two
or three episodes in their entirety. But I'm very aware
of the conversation. I'm surprised you're not a little hotter, Ellie,
because I remember when the new reboot came out, you
had just like you watched it like the day it
came out and loved it. That was my recollection. So
(09:45):
you're pretending not to be a fan, but I think
you may be a true fan.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'm playing it cool. No, no, no, no, You're not
wrong about any of those things. Scott, and I'll talk
you through my journey, but I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I don't qualify as a love I think maybe that's
a good way to start. I'll tell you what my
journey of Sex and the City is because I am
of the age where people were having sex and the
city parties. I completely missed that window and I did
not watch it live. In fact, I would think I
(10:19):
was still semi self loathy of my feminine side, Like
I hung out with all dudes and I was in
the gay Yeah I can hang And so Sex and
the City was a little cloying and a little shrill.
(10:39):
This is all like o key misogyny. I guess I
just didn't have any interest and I was in my twenties.
I was living in New York City and felt like, well,
I'm kind of living in you know, Sex and the City.
I don't need to watch it. And then, after a
series of weird relationships, my first official one night stay
(11:00):
and maybe i'd been like totally defrauded by a boyfriend,
like had stories, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Financially defrauded.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh yeah, horribow pathological liar and karma never found this guy.
That's no, he's doing fine. He was very charming and
I imagine that's always worked for him. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So I was moving to La, a city that I
never truly wanted to live in because you know, as
far as cities go, La doesn't have it right. And
I moved into the department and I'm a night owl. Ellie,
I have a feeling you're an early birdie.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I am an early birdie. How did you notice that?
I just had a feeling this might surprise you. Turns
out our friend Scott is an early birdie.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm well, i'd shifted. I used to be a night
owl and then I got old, and now I find
myself waking up at five in the morning and like
it's the saddest thing in the world. Yeah, I go
to sleep at nine maybe nine thirty. Wow, I know,
but that's not your journey. You're a night owl in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's the worst place to be a night owl because
Los Angeles is an early birdie town. Everything shuts down
at ten. So I'm up all night and my brain
is going because I'm young and single, anxiety ridden, and
I have no money. You just don't know how life
is gonna unfold. And I decided, well, I should probably
paint my entire apartment.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, that makes sense if you can't be out and
you're up.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
All night, and what is the only other place that's
up with me? Home depot. Oh so I go to
home depot and I buy the worst choice of paint.
I buy yellow for my living room, lavender for the kitchenette.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
The first time that someone paints the home that they
live in, yeah, in my experience, everyone is like, I'm
going to do whimsical colors in each room, and then
the second they're like, oh, no, white's fine. Yeah that's
what happened to me. We painted our whole house all
these different colors and then instantaneously regretted it because beige
(13:20):
is just going to do the trick.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
There's a reason that houses are beige and white.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Anyway, I go to Homeeop. I come home and I'm like,
I've started something my little body might not be able
to finish, but I'm feeling energized. And I turn on
the TV and e was doing a twenty four hour
Sex and the City marathons. So it got me good
because I was in a state of weakness, alone, desperate,
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painting fully inhaling paint fumes and.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Was there a way open?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Mikayla, who knows you know what I mean? We thought
we were going to live forever.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right, we were yacht we were yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
With painting. We were young. And every time the thing
comes on, I find that I am so happy. And
then every single damn thing that was happening in that
show I was relating to. And it's not a show
about dating at all. No, it's a show about friendship. Yeah,
And I think it's also a show about the four
(14:21):
parts of the feminine. And I think the mark of
a healthy woman is that you integrate all those four parts.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yes, the way you just described the show is so
brilliant to me because that's exactly right. It is four parts.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
What are the four parts? What's a Miranda? Carrieus, Charlotte
and a Samantha. I know one of them is like
a sexye. Right. Kim Catrau's character like the lustful one.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right, she's the most sex positive. Yes, she knows what
she wants, she knows she wants to get it. She's
not apologetic.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
She's a bus and she is absolute in charge of
her sexuality.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
What are the other parts? What are the other three
of them?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So then there's Miranda, who is the feminist. She's a
lawyer and she's angry that she has to sublimate some
of her self in order to get late or have
a relationship.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, Mikaela, how would you describe Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Charlotte, she's like a Martha Stewart, she couldn't wait to
grow up in play house, but is also an art curator,
so she's got this deeper side.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And Carrie, I would say, is what the every gal?
The working woman? Yeah, seems to live honestly, but doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Carrie, I would say, is like the one that everybody
likes to think they are. Yeah. Yeah, there's so many
seasons of this show. There's two movies and then there's
a new one coming out. I can't. So there's a
lot that I've consumed and it's all just in the
cloud in my brain.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
When you mentioned there's a new one coming out, I
got a little burst of butterflies in my tummy, because
not nervous butterflies, excited butterflies. I'm nervous.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Everybody's like, you even loved the new one, and I say,
I say, yes, yeah, here's why I love the new one.
It is so flawed and we are all so flawed. Yeah,
let's get back to Miranda after being married to kind
of a dou fist because she did in a waste attle.
Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What is his name again?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Brady?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, Brady is the baby Steve? Steve, Steve and I
do an impression.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I gotta hear it?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Now, what Steve sound like?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This is it? Why did you got it?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Do yet?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Brady's just gonna go walking by himself and down the street?
Me scare it is?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Does he act talk like that in real life? Or
is that a choice?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Did Steve come from Middle Earth?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It is the most abrasive and mean thing the writers
could have done to Miranda's you know, but it really
they really played the long game with her, because the
truth is, let's just assume Steve is like the greatest
little lesbian we've all known, because you know, it was
like flying wash. But then, yeah, she falls in love
(17:18):
with a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay, but does that woman identify as a woman.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, you're right, cha is non binary.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Twists, fast and furious. I love it. This is the
best way you do experience sex in the City.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But let's be honest, Sex and the City is very
problematic in a lot of ways. Yes, in body shame,
they have made jokes at trans people's expense, they have
been like excruciatingly heteronormative and for white women lead the show.
So they come back with just like that, and they
took all the notes, and they did it really clunkly,
(17:53):
well intentioned and clunkily, much like many of the white women.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Myself and myself, Scott, you did not watch just like that.
Watching it was such an experience and roller coaster, and
you put it perfectly to try to correct improve upon
what has already been laid down. What decades ago, two
decades ago, three decades ago is a monumental task.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
If I'm going to claim to love something, I can't
sit here and say that everything about it is great.
I have to be honest and tell you it is
a flawed show. But when I was in a relationship,
I looked to that show and every single time there
would be some line of wisdom somewhere in that show
(18:42):
that was so the thing I needed to hear. Yes,
and when you're on the road in a hotel room
and like some pod on town, living out of your
suitcase for a month, you hear that theme song of
Sex and the City, I just feel like everything's going
to be okay.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I got goosebumps as you said that.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I got goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Because I know and you say sex in the City
and people might get a certain notion in their heads,
like it's corny or outdated. Yes, and first rule of improv,
it's other things too, because it does have the silliness,
and it does have the arguably cancelable moments.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Definitely canceled, definitely, But it's just so much fun. Oh,
it's pageantry, it's some of it. It's so frivolous and
stupid exactly, and it will never be our lives. And
that's okay too, an escapism because it's not my thing either.
But you know what do I want to do? Watch
a whole hour of like women having cramps? No, that's it.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
It's way more fun to watch women be awesome and
hook up and then talk to their friends. I'm completely convinced,
as I was never a sex in the City skeptic,
but now I got to check it out.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Do you want to hear something funny I do. I
was talking to a guy at work one time and
he I told him about my abiding love for sex
and City and he was shocked and he's like a guy,
He's like a man, mister, mister man. Yeah, and he's like, really, goes,
I was against that show and I said why and
(20:15):
he goes because in college, like all these women were
watching it and then they were like acting like these women.
I go, what do you mean acting like them? And
he's like just thinking they could just go and have sex.
And I just looked at him and I was like, ah, okay,
So when guys do that, what is that called? Yeah?
What's this double standard? And I don't need to do
(20:36):
that for myself. That's not comfortable for me. And in
that way that probably makes me a Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, who are you, Ellie?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think I'm a Carrey. Interesting of the four, I
would say I'm a.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Carrey and Michaylae you said I.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Would say I when I came into the show, I
was a Carrie. Then my Miranda came out fiercely, and
when I fell in love by Charlotte came out strong.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
And I'm a mister big right.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yes, got you're as You're a total mister big Well.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I love it. I can't wait to check it out.
Thank you so much, Michaela, for sharing your love and
your wisdom. Would you have a couple of minutes to
stick around for a game that we like to play
the end called love It or Loathe It?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, I love games. If you looked at my list
of things, I love games is one of them.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Okay, everyone, it's time for our favorite game and only game. Mikaela.
This is called love it or Loathe It. It's very straightforward.
We're going to throw some items at you and you
simply have to tell us if you love the thing
or load the thing that you can't be lukewarm about
the thing. There is no in between.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, there's no in between. Okay, got it all right?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
MICHAELA love it or loath it? Wordle love love. I
thought you might because it's a game.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, I've played every variation of it too.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Do you know I've never played wordle? Oh jeetz ellie,
I've never I know.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I was going to ask what the minimum number you've
ever gotten is? How many guesses? The fewest guesses?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
One? I got it in one?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You got it in one?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Did you cheat? No?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Oh? Wow?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
No one at dis What word was it?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Moist?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
That was your first word? I love it. Mikhayla Walkee
comes on talking about how she loves sex in the
city and her first word in wordle is moist. Well
on brand, it's not all the.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right letters in it. Come on it does?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's exactly?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Love it? Or loads it? Flying on airplanes?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Hate loads?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Loa?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Why Mikaela why, I'm just a bad fly. I've gotten better,
but thanks to alcoholic Yeah, barbituous.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Exactly, that always helps. And rom coms, Oh, I'm sorry,
that's as That's been a lifelong low.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Started around thirteen for some reason, when I became aware
of like what was happening?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Did you sit down and think about what's happening. It's psychotic.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, I was like, this is not right, no, and
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
What I don't understand is how everyone shuts their shades now.
I'm like, yeah, first of all, for peace of mind,
I want to be able to look at okay, I.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Want to make sure that little thing is spinning in
the engine too.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yes, I'm sorry you low that. I I gotta be honest.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I love it, you love it? Oh you were so
you were relating so hard.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I thought, I know I was.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I have.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I have way too much faith in authority and like physics,
and so I feel like, Okay, the odds of something
happening are low, and also someone else is in charge,
so I'm safe. It's false comfort.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I'm sure I'm going to break a piece of that
off and wear it because I think we're very compatible,
you and I like if we were to run a country,
we would cover a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
MICHAELA. I think we complement each other. Meeting complements with
an E, like we fill out what would the other mind?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I have?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So please borrow my love of flying.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm going to call you ll ee's e's with.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Lines yeah, all right, love it or loath it?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Name necklaces, I would say, not my thing. I know
I have to feel strongly about it. I love it, Okay,
I know.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I know it's only one or the others, so I know, I.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Know, yeah, I have bought them for people. That's why
I was like, well, I want other people to have them.
I just wouldn't wear one myself.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It seems like something that that would be better as
a gift if you went out and bought a necklace
with your own name on. It seems a little narcissistic.
Love it or load that Mikhayla Cantilope.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Okay, we went there.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I mean, love it or loathe it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
When I was a child, I loved it. As an adult,
I what happened. Melons in general are just like they
don't hold fun. I know every time you're always picking
through them because by the time you buy them, they've
got that like gelatinous so I know around them, I know.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Oh they're terrible. It's a loath worthy for sure. But
one possible exception with pershutto. I do like pershutto and
melon pershuoto.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I will give you that, and I would say that's
what my grandmother used to do is there would be
like a cut channel lobe on the table waiting for you.
Honeydew can go goodself?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
No, no, noe.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is invariably bad.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's never good.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So green as to be white. Yes, it's never fresh.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And I don't think any of these melons hold up well.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
None.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
And speaking of airplanes and thinking that it's always what
you get if you have to get fruit at the
airport store, it's always.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That oh yeah, you eat the blueberries and then you
try to get past the honeydew. And they really loaded
up with that honeydew because it's big and cheap. But
have you ever gotten an edible arrangement? Because that is
another thing I would say, I love.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The edible arrangements. Absolutely loads worthy, financial downturns, the pandemic,
and yet edible arrangements stands strong. The cockroach of corporations,
thank you, the cockroach of bouquet because there's always going
to be a critical mass of people who are like,
it's cute to send fruit instead of flowers.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You that is it.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It is a cockroach of bouquets.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yep, yep, perfect speaking of cockroaches, No, not really, I
don't want to lead you one way or the other.
Now this might be random, but I was just there.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, New Jersey, Okay, I know it used to be
called the garbage state when it's the garden state. But
I will tell you the Palisades Parkway gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh, I know, gorgeous, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And you stop and they have little farm stads, grocery
stores like in the median of a highway.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Fantastic. That's not what they show you when Tony Soprano
is going home, because that's Elizabeth, New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
That's where my mother's from. She's from Elizabeth. It is
aitch pit Newark Airports. It was too short. This is
probably my fear of flying. Planes were crashing one after another,
and then the elongated, the landing terrifying.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I would I don't want to be on that plate.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Well, this was before my time. But my mom, you know,
we're Jews, so we love a tragedy story.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Your mom would tell you those stories. Is that what
you know? On repeat? I think we just under some
stuff right now.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That's that's definitely why they don't crash anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Mikaela. They extended the runway but yes, I understand.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Me, Mikayla, last one, love it or low that jigsaw
puzzles love love, Oh my.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Gosh, I knew she would.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
What's the ideal number of pieces? The ideal number of
pieces for a puzzle?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Thousand piece puzzle, a thousand Oh look at that? Oh
look at that. Scott is showing me a puzzle, big.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Puzzle, holding up my my framed thousand piece puzzle. Just
finished it this week.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, that's ideal. I'm in a puzzle group.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
She's in a puzzle group.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
A puzzle group, and we get together every few months
and a different person hosts, but we do it in
one night.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
No you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, and gossip and we have a cocktail and we
have high end snacks.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
You get together, yeah, and complete it. So everyone's assembling.
I mean, I'll do the math. Two hundred pieces.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah. Wow, I get so hyper focused. But it's one
of those comforting things where there's like conversation happening while
your hands are busy, your mind is mindless, and it's
just such a soothing thing.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I love. He couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Mikayla, thank you so much for being on our show
and for talking with us. Thank you, Mikayla, Thanks for
taking a swing with me.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Thanks for listening to Born to Love. We'll be back
next week with brand new things that we love.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
We want to hear from you. Leave us a review
in Apple Podcasts and tell us what you love. We
might even ask one of our us in an upcoming
love it or Love It.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Born to Love is hosted and created by Elli Kemper
and Scott Ecker.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Our executive producer is Aaron Coffman. Our producers are Sina
Ozaki and Zoe Danklab.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Born to Love is part of Will Ferrell's Big Money
Flayares Network in collaboration with iHeart Podcasts. Special thanks to
Hans Sonny.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Rachel Kaplan and Adriana Cossiano
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Michael Fails, Alex Korl, and Baheed Frasier.
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