October 10, 2025 • 58 mins
Krystal, Ryan, Emily, and Griffin look at the latest on the ceasefire between Israel and Gaza, Rogan calling out ICE tactics as Kristi Noem doubles down on Chicago, and questions around a guest on the Jesse Watters FOX show.
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Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Now? You doing.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Excellent bunch of interesting stuff this morning. We've got Nobel
Peace Prize has been awarded, not totally to Trump, but
like kind of low key a little bit to Trump's.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
That's really really market.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, Don Bolton, Marco Rubio, many people who who get
to have the benefit of this particular Nobel Peace Prize.
We also have the ceasefire officially in effect. We're going
to take a look. We're going to rekindle Ryan's feud
with Jesse waters, So you guys definitely want to check
that out. All kinds of stuff going on in terms
of Trump and Chicago, etc. That we want to check
in on as well, But wanted to start with the
(01:09):
fact that that ceasefire in Gaza is officially in effect, Ryan, Like,
what do we know about what's actually going on there
and how things are looking?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Yeah, went into effect at what five am hour time?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Israel says that it has redeployed its troops to the
lines that they have agreed upon, but they will continue
to carry out operations basically in self defense, like if
they feel like they are being threatened, they will continue
to attack Palestinians. I think in the last twenty four
hours at least seventeen Palestinians were killed. But they also
(01:47):
confess it's.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Not really my understanding of a ceasefire.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
No, well, that is the understanding that the Israel government
usually brings to a ceasefire. They reached a ceasefire many
months ago with Lebanon and have been striking Lebanon on
a weekly or almost daily basis. So the level of
the strikes a number of strikes will certainly reduce, but
Israel's suggesting that it won't reduce down to zero. Now
(02:12):
that they have officially agreed to it, it'll be time
to go try to find all of the captives that
need to be released and then also try to find
the bodies. Meanwhile, Israel's then supposed to begin the process
of releasing it's two hundred and fifty lifetime you know,
what they call lifers is Palestinian and serving life sentences
as well as what it's seventeen hundred people who that
(02:35):
they who they basically were holding as hostages men, women
and children that they had picked up in Gaza after
October seventh, who they said have nothing to do with
October seventh, but have been into tention anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So they're going to release some of those.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Is Marwan Bargerty going to be part of that prisoner
release because I know that had been on point of contention.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I don't, I have not seen whether you know the
word is that you know, Palestinians are pushing very hard
for him, and the Israelies are resisting very hard.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Guys, I understand it. He's currently not in Marwan Bargutty, interestingly,
is no.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
He's FATA, which is the rival of Hamas and yet yet,
yet he is Hamas's number one priority because he is
the basically the only figure capable of really unifying Palestinians
into a national coalition, which is precisely why these rallies
don't want him released. So it does not so our
(03:36):
understanding at this point is that no, that he will
not be He will not be.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
Released and Ryan just in the next like forty eight hours,
let alone weeks and months into the future. Are there
some trip wires that are like particularly obvious from the
twenty point deal or other places where this is like
very very fragile going forward.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Well, the circumstances of the exchange, the can addition of
the captives when when they're in exchanged, will certainly inflame.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Tensions.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
There's been a siegehn Yet when Israelis have seen previous
captives released, they have said, you know, how how dare you?
How could you treat the the hostages this way? And
Palestinians look around at that, they're like, this is what
we look like too, like what are you what are
you talking about?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
But that that so that could that could inflame the situation?
You know, I just geopolitically curiously you guys. Take it
just feels very difficult cult for Israel to restart this war.
I know there's gonna then Yaho will be under a
lot of pressure from his right flank to do it.
He himself has very clearly said that he wants to
continue this war. But I can't think of a faster
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way to flush what remaining credibility of the US and
Israel have down the toilet then to get the to
get what you said you wanted, and then immediately restart it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
So I don't know, we'll see. So Hamas has taken
a gamble, but.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
It's it's basically their only option and and it's a
huge relief for Palestinians and Gaza. It'll be cause for
immense celebration to finally open up the crossings, because there's
five or six crossings are going to open up, and
explicitly as part of the deal, they're going to surge
in you know, humanitarian aid, which is another admission that
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they were withholding humanitarian aid for military purposes, which is
a war crime, but we knew that. But it will
be very benefit, it'll be it'll be it'll be life
changing for people who were on the on the brink
of starvation.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Life preserving for people who were on the brink up
starvation and being bombed and slaughtered on a routine basis.
Also interesting that GHF apparently is done moving forward. I
know you guys have been reporting previously that Israel was
really trying to keep GHF in place, so that seems,
you know, quite significant. GHF, of course, was the site
(06:03):
of those routine or outside of their sites, was the
where there were these routine AID massacres committed by IDF troops,
where we had doctors saying, you know, every time there's
a GHF AID distribution, we have mass casualty events show
up at our hospitals. So of course, very noteworthy that
that's going to be gone. The other noteworthy thing, and Griffin,
I don't know if you can pull this up or
(06:23):
a news article to this effect, but they're talking about
an international force on the ground to police the ceasefire deal,
and as part of that, the US will be sending
some two hundred troops to Israel, So American boots on
the ground here to make sure that our ally upholds
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their end of the ceasefire deal.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
At least that's the idea here.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
The point that Ryan and Jeremy have made in the
reporting at drop site that I find very interesting is
how the pressures applied to the Arab world in Egypt
were really consequential. Uh, I'm sorry, the pressures applied by
the Arab world to the Israelis in Egypt.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
One of those pines to the Palestinians in Egypt were
utterly consequential. And what's interesting to me about that, Ryan
is you guys have mentioned that for Palestinians, it was
important that Trump sort of put his own credibility into
the negotiation by being the head of the board, the
committee that's supposed to oversee the peace process and the
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plan in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
And I guess this question.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
About troops or how it's you know, how how these
trip wires or how Ntsan Yahoo could violate the terms
of the peace plan. At this point, I was wondering
if you had any more thoughts on how like Kushner
and wit Coough and Trump himself have like put themselves.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
On the line.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Does that make it Does that make any sort of
betrayal from Ntsian Yahoo even riskier from his perspective? Like
what could go wrong there?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah, the Palestinians, like major insistence was that any deal
be personally guaranteed by Donald Trump. They wanted him to
put his name on it and announce it publicly.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
And from from an outside perspective, a lot of people like,
what are you talking about? Do you trust Donald Trump?
Is that It's like, that's not exactly the guy that
you would, you know, really want to ride or die
with that you're on his word. But from their perspective,
he's it like he's the guy, like there's nobody else
in the world who is capable of restraining Israel, but
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he is true.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So which actually goes to this thing where everybody.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Thinks that Israel controls like the American government, they have
enormous amount of influence. The United States is more powerful
if the United States actually exerts itself as it has
in the past and almost in ending almost every other
war that Israel was involved in, Like that's how those
wars end. An American president calls up, whether it's Reagan
or Biden, Obama or Trump and says, it's that's it,
(09:08):
You're done.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I'm yanking the.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Leash your runways over whatever phrase I use it like
it's done, and so they were I think waiting for
Trump to do that or Biden to do it, and
so Hamas is saying, you've got this is all we have.
We absolutely do not trust net and Yahoo. So if
you put your credibility on the line, that's at least something.
And they didn't really want like that. He created a
(09:32):
board of peace that was going to have him and
Tony Blair on it, because that meant there'd be no
sovereignty in the redevelopment for Gaza.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But the fact that he.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Was putting a stamp on it was I think that
was kind of Trump's expression of that of that desire
and Trump, you know, yeah, he announced it publicly, he
spoke about it publicly. He's taken full credit for it.
That is what they wanted because so now Trump is
on the line. Well that's worth we'll find out.
Speaker 8 (09:59):
Yeah, talk about I mean to hear you, Crystal, Oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I was just going to say, I mean, to your point,
it's not about Trump being a trustworthy character. It's about
the reality of the situation, the power dynamics of the
fact that he's he is literally the only person in
the world that can actually tell Israel and enforce Israel
stopping the genocide. So you have no choice but to
hope that he follows through.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
On the deal.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And you know, Jeremy laid out like there's some I mean,
it's disgusting, right, but that there's some sort of like
business dollars and cents logic for eight I think he
you know, Gazolavo is still the goal in the dream.
You know, we should probably play Candice Owen's talking about
how disgusting that is because she hit the nail on
the head with it, but that is effectively what they're
(10:47):
relying on, and not just in terms of gaz a Lago,
but also you know, he has all these desires and
business development deals in the with the golf Arab states
in particular, and so he doesn't want to piss them off.
You know, I don't know if that's Realiszica. They're so
compliant and so like focused on the money too that
they you know, they don't actually care about the Palestinians.
(11:07):
All the pressure comes from below with regard to them,
So I don't know how you know, how much screwing
up this deal would really hinder his business ambitions in
the region. But perhaps there's a perception there.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well, I think that that's where they strike in Doha
actually played an interesting role because because I think that
the Emirates and the Saudis and the cutteries all called
up Kushner and Trump and we're like, hey, hey, guys,
like you're all your money's over here, like they're they're
bombing your money now, and Trump.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Like, oh, they yeah, they kind.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Of are bombing my money. We can't have that because
you don't know how this spirals. And also their economies,
such that you can even call them economies, are are
built on this you know international you know business, these
international business relationships which are based on the idea that
they are not Syria, They're not Iraq, Like that is
(12:01):
a perfectly safe place. So to have you know, smoke
plumes rising from their downtown right next to like the
Chinese embassy is not good for.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Business down the street from the school that Sager went to,
right that is back business.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Yes, so Ryan for people who haven't been paying attention
to all the ins and outs of this.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Deal, where does this leave Hamas.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
In terms of leadership or in terms of being in
charge of Gaza? Because I have a clip here on
a play for you to react to from an Israeli
ambassador that seems to suggest something slightly different than the
deal that was just signed.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Why don't we take a listen.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
You mentioned earlier you see this deal as leading toward
the destruction of Hamas.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Tell me more about that.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
Because Hamas has not agreed to disarm, they've not agreed
to leave Gaza, as Israel has insisted in the past.
Speaker 10 (12:57):
The agreement, the twenty point plan, is very clear on
the disarming of Hamas, and it's also very clear that
if they do not disarm, then we're going to go
back into military confrontation. They have to disarm. Hamas cannot
remain standing in Gaza. That's the plan and that's what
has to be implemented. This plan is basically it's conced
(13:22):
with the government's directives for completing this war, and that's
the disarming of Hamas and the demilitarization of Gaza. If
that doesn't happen, then this peace plan is not going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
So the peace plan is not going anywhere unless Hamas
demilitarizes dearmed.
Speaker 11 (13:41):
Now is that part of the deal?
Speaker 8 (13:43):
Ryan?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Break that down for us.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
It was part of the twenty point plan. It was,
but Hamas did not accept the twenty point plan. Hamas
accepted the first part of it and then said that
they look forward to discussing, you know, what a future
you know, Palestinian run technocratic administration would look like. And
they have said we will relinquish power to a pal
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you know, technocratic committee of made up of Palestinian experts.
But they have basically said they wouldn't disarm until there's
a state in place, and then they would disarm as
part of that evolution into statehood. So yeah, this, this,
this remains the thing that that is outstanding. So if
(14:29):
if Israel believes that it's going to have the ability
from you know, geopolitically and cover from the United States
to get the hostages back and then go in and
saying that they're doing it because they need to disarm AMAS,
which again, a lot of their weapons are unexploded ordinance
and it'll take twenty years to get all the unexploded
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ordinance out of there, So I don't quite see how
they physically literally can disarm if those are the weapons
we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
So yeah, that but that's where the.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Emily's point about trip wires like that's that's a pretty
big that's a pretty big gulf. And you know, will
Trump sign off on restarting the war for that aim
with no hostages left?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Well, I guess we're going to find out.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, Indeed, I just on a curiosity because I noticed
that guy that we were just listening to, the Israeli
ambassador to the US, seemed to have American accent. He
is indeed from Scrianton, Pennsylvania. And not only that, according
to Haratz, was affiliated with that rabbi, Rabbi Kahane, who
(15:35):
was you know, was this incredible extremist who thought that
any non Jewish, any non Jewish person in Israel should
either be deported or serve.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
As a slave. So, you know, just to give you
a sense of the type.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Of characters is this government and what.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
What their ideology are.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, he's you know, moderate compared to some who were
in the coalition. Ultimately, I guess they should just be deported,
not actively murdered.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
So and Ryan, after you're reporting this week and drop
site about a certain ghostwriter for an Israeli ambassador, is
this one of the ambassadors that's getting some ghostwriting done
by our friend Douglas Murray.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
We don't have any evidence of that.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
The guy whose speeches they were writing is now the
Israeli ambassador to Germany actually, which is a pretty pretty
plump posting.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Well, Crystal also flagged this that you know, we've gone
through two years of this Israeli gazed genocide, but there's
been some reveals about some of the three D modeling
that's been occurring over these last two years. Of course,
everyone remembers the famous three D rendering of the Awl
(16:47):
Shifa hospital. Is that the one that they did the
breakdown of And so I wanted to put this up
on screen for a second. Some of these elements here,
so it looks like, I mean, Crystal, so can you
explain what we're seeing here?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, So, basically the idea is that they did this
analysis and tracked a bunch of these images that they
used to claim, you know, whether it was tunnel systems
or to show their targeting, et cetera. They tracked it
back to this this one guy, and you know, elements
reused very it looks very video game, but basically just
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exposing the level of fabricated propaganda that was going on here.
And in the specific case of the Al Shifa hospital.
I'm sure you guys remember this was early in the genocide,
when they still felt the need to justify their attacks
on hospitals, and we're subjected to this, you know, three
D modeling of this elaborate layer that was supposedly under
the hospital where Hamas's headquarters was located, et cetera. Came
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in for a lot of mockery at the time. Well
turns out they had actually recycled some previous propaganda of
an alleged Hamas tunnel underneath of a un school. They
just pulled that and repurposed it to be like, no, actually,
the Hamas layer is under the hospital now. So I
just even for us people who have been very skeptical,
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to say the least of Israeli government claims, and you know,
very attuned to the amount of haspara and the amount
of you know, money that's spent to paid play influencers
and all of that that's been revealed, I think, even
to me, it is stunning the amount and the scope
and the brazenness of the lies in the propaganda that
we have been fed, not just over these two years
but long before that.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
By the way, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Great really impressive reporting here well and absolutely yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
One point that the person who broke this down made
is that it's intentionally done to amplify media coverage, because
the strategy is to say, if you give the media
a visual, it will end up more likely covered on
the news because they have something they can visually show people.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That they can pull an element.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah right, they can pull an element, they can D
four Yeah, they're right.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
It's a bit like the person who reported this out
had examples of that having worked pretty pretty effectively.
Speaker 11 (19:15):
Mm hm.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
So you know, Trump is celebrating, he's excited for his
Nobel Peace Prize, but then plot twist, someone else got
the Nobel this morning, Ryan, can you explain who this
person is that brought all this piece together?
Speaker 11 (19:33):
For those just listening the podcast, I'm throwing up an
image here.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
The twenty twenty five Nobel Peace Prize when ordered to
Maria Corrino Machado for her tireless work promoting democratic rights
for the people of Venezuela and for her struggle to
achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Her her efforts to bring democracy to Venezuela involved being
a leader of the two thousand and two coups UH
and then signing a decree to dissolve basically the constitution.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That coup was short.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Lived and jav has came back to power, and you know,
since then, you know, she's been she's been an opposition leader.
She was banned from uh from running for president because
of her involvement in this, in this coup and in
other irregularities in the way that and and basically being
(20:28):
allied with the United States and trying to overthrow the
Venezuelan government.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
She you know, celebrated, you know, Trump's coup attempts in
his first term. She has celebrated his bombing of the
of all the Narco the narco boats or the fishing boats,
whatever they are. She has urged the sanctions that have
you know, crushed Venezuela. She has even asked Benjamin N.
(20:53):
Yahoo to please come liberate Venezuela. Uh yeah, who then
Yaho has not taken them up that request yet, but
that's that's who she is. So just kind of an
incredible decision by the Nobel Best prized media. It's like,
(21:13):
I guess the gas of Humanitarian Foundation wasn't available because
they were out said as part of this, uh yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I will I will say. I don't I forget why
I had accus you to do this.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
I went through the election certifications for the last the
when Manchada was on the ballot the last time. I
imagine one of the reasons she got this because there's
a pretty decent case that she actually won. It's very
very hard to know because of all the irregularities, but
I think it's pretty well.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
They kicked her off the ballot, her practice, her but
her party, her proxy. Yes it, yes, it does. It
does appear like that like Maduro rigged that election. And
the reason we're stopping the steal. Yeah, well, and the
real interest singly, the reason that we that Emily can
look into it and be pretty confident that that he
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did rig it is that Chavez himself put in place
these kind of very transparent systems that every that everybody
can check, so you can you can check it at
the local and the regional level and match it against
what's being said nationally. And because of those Chavez reforms,
you can actually see like, oh, yeah, it does look
(22:26):
like the opposition party probably did win this election, and
or and Maduro stole it.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Right, or like they're not even cooperating with those systems
and yeah they just yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
So maybe that's but.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
They also did it they were able to track because
of the system. Actually, yeah, ran, that's exactly, Like because
of that system, they're able to see what the tallies
were in certain areas and all of that, and looks
like he probably lost.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, yes, And so.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
The Nobel Pece Prize, I mean, I don't think any
of us take it particularly seriously. I just reported out
a whole story on it. It's like maybe not worth
dwelling too long on. But Trump is like so desperate
for a Nobel Peace Prize and at the same time
so obviously aware he's not going to get a Nobel.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Peace I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I feel like giving it to her is a signal
from the committee that they're open to giving it to Trump,
because this is like if you're going to give it
to a American president's couplatter, like, why wouldn't you give
it to the American president too?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, he can definitely can definitely claim a piece
of that prize even if he didn't get the whole
thing this time.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well, I was talking to like Nobel historians who are like,
they just see it because this is in Norwegian, Like
they see it as so uncouth for anybody to campaign
for themselves to get the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
So it's not even like the people I talked to
is like, it wouldn't even be ideological.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
It's just this idea that like he's out there begging
for it, and people are like, oh, that's the same.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Wasn't this part of you guys got to refresh my memory?
Wasn't this part of why Bill Gates maintained his relationship
with Epstein because Epstein was telling him like he could
get him the Nobel Prize.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Wasn't that part of.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Really yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I mean, and reading through Epstein's emails and such, it
wouldn't be hard to believe that he would have that
kind of pull.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But he knew everybody and he was able to make
things happen.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
We're going to start our Peace Award, that's going to
start to be a competitor with a new list of
candidates who deserves the Peace for Ward right now, Ryan, I.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Mean, I would think.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Like doctors in Gazas, like doctors and nurses in Gaza,
like the or the civil defense, like the people who
knowing that there's going to be a double tap strike
still rush to the building to pull people out of
it like that. Those those are that's the best of
humanity under the worst conditions, selflessly putting your your body
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on the on the line to help others that you
don't know. Yeah, that that should be what the Nobel
Peace Prize is for.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, well, do you want to move to Chicago?
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Well, christ I think it sounds like your memory is correct.
That is, uh, that's actually what happened.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I thought, so yeah, yeah, Marbart Sager and I talked
about that one.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
All right, Well, every aspect of that as wild.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Moving on to Chicago, Christine Nome is doubling down and
uh looking to get more office space here in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
Already is we're purchasing more buildings in Chicago to operate
out of. We're going to not back off. In fact,
we're doubling down and we're going to be in more
parts of Chicago in response to the people there. And
then I was there a few days ago and looked
at some facilities that we can deploy more law enforcement
out of because what they're trying to do with these
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riots and violences distract us and keep us from going
after those murders and rapists that are out on the streets.
And then I was in Portland, went out and back in.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
All right, so more offices.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
We also do have a video here outside in an
elementary school that I wanted to play just here at
the top. This was from a recent ice trad on
an elementary school where they grabbed the mother out of
the car as she's picking up her child.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Just so people know as they're watching this, at least
according to the reporting, I saw this woman that you'll
see here is a DACA recipient and they actually had
to release or so after she's there picking up to
pick up her kids from elementary school, something line up
many of us will be familiar with, and they follow her,
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they forcibly pull her out of the car. She's screaming
again right outside of this elementary school where her children
and other children are, And according to what I saw,
like I said, she had legal status, so they ended
up having to release her. So all of this, you know,
show of force with these dudes, most of them again
masked up, et cetera. And terrorizing an entire elementary school
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population for someone who in the end turns out has
legal status. And by the way, is mom like this
is not some violent criminal gang member, trender urragua whatever.
This is like a mom who's going about her life
trying to pick up her kids from school. And I
don't know what happened to those you know, those kids
when they're waiting for mom and Mom's just been snatched
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off the street by Trump's thugs.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
I think an important point in that Crystal is they
purport to be targeting people with some measure of intelligence,
and we've already seen that there's a surveillance apparatus being
built in order to target people. And this is a
just staggering, not shocking, but staggering a display of incompetence.
(28:12):
When you are building these you are you're paying all
this money, taxpayer dollars to surveill and you're picking up
a DACA, uh, someone who is here with with legal
status and doing it like this is just I know
we're gonna talk about this later, but they are squandering
any uh, squandering certainly any like public opinion that was
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in their favor for sure at this point.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, Immigration officials.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Immigration attorneys that I've spoke to have said that this
this phenomenon of DACA people getting getting swept up is
is uh fairly widespread, and oftentimes, uh, they don't get
out very quickly. The administer, the administration is reinterpreting all
because immigration law is like extraordinarily complicated and based on
(29:01):
you know, decades of stitch together precedents, and you can
be in deportation proceedings but still have legal status and
then the uh, you know, the administration will say, well,
we reject this legal status, and there it all goes
back to these quotas that Steven Miller has put into place,
So they are basically just sweeping up as many brown
(29:21):
people as they can and then asking questions later and seeing,
you know who who they can kind of make the
deportation stick, and also who they can persuade to kind
of give up the fight, because you put them, you know,
you put them in these like deplorable conditions, and you
can end your suffering at any minute by saying, okay, fine,
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I will go back to El Salvador even though you
have a legal status and you can stay here, but
it could take you weeks or months or even years
they don't know. So a lot of people just give
up in the face of that raw power.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, and I think, I mean so I kind of
reject the idea that it's incompetence because I like, I
think this is all part of the plan of I mean,
it genuinely is like a mass terror campaign to scare
people into either leaving or.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
To chill descent.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I mean, we have increasing numbers of American citizens who
have been either injured or illegally detained, arrested by Ice,
held without the ability to make phone calls for hours,
if not days at a time. Of course, we saw
the apartment rate. It doesn't surprise me that Christy Nauman
saying we're going to double down on Chicago, because in
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my view, what they're also courting is some grand confrontation
that they can use in order to justify Trump invoke
in the Insurrection Act. And there's reporting to that regard.
They've gotten and they've gotten more. You know, the community
in Chicago is very upset, and so you have a
lot of activists who are you know, following Ice around
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and honking horns to let immigrants know that they're coming.
You know, the atmosphere appears I'm not there on the ground,
but appeers to be somewhat charged. And so I think
that they believe that Chicago is their best bet with
a democratic mayor and a democratic governor who may be
a presidential contender, to get this grand confrontation that they
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want to justify further consolidation of their power. And as
I said in invocation of the Insurrection Act, which would
mean that they could deploy National Guard much more readily,
and that the National Guard that's deployed would not be
subject to the limitations that they currently are. Namely, you know,
and DC we saw national Guard was mostly like kind
of assisting ice to the extent that they're you know,
(31:42):
sort of even colorably able to, but also just like
standing around and picking up trash. If you have the
Insurrection Act, then you no longer have those same restrictions
on what the National Guard can do. So I think that's,
you know, part of what's of what's going on here.
I covered, and I just think it's worth emphasizing. You've
already had people. You had one person who was shot
(32:02):
and killed, an immigrant who was shot and killed by
federal agents in or around Chicago, and you had this
other woman that I covered on the show, who they
claimed had rammed them with her car and then brandished
a semi automatic weapon. At least the semi automatic weapon
part of that has already turned out to be just
a complete and utter fabrication.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
They shot her five.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Times, Okay, American citizen immigration activist, but American citizen she
Her lawyer now says that their body camera footage reveals
they actually ran into her. The agent in question who
shot her five times said do something, bitch, and then
jumped out of the car with his weapon and began firing.
So we already already we have incidents like this, and
(32:49):
this is still very much in the early phases. One
thing that is noteworthy and somewhat hopeful, if I mean,
if it's enforced, if it's not overturned on appeal, etc.
There have been some significant limits put on the federal
government in Chicago, specifically some court rulings that have come down.
We just got one where they're saying, no, you can't
(33:10):
at least temporarily for now, it's a temporary restraining order.
You cannot send the Texas National Guard Meal Team six
is not allowed to come into Chicago. They said, you know,
basically like it's ridiculous, there's no insurrection, and the judge
in their ruling said it on the content like it's
the exact opposite of what you're saying. Not only is
there not chaos and insurrection sufficient to justify this, but
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you are the ones trying to stoke the chaos, which
I think many reasonable people looking at the situation would
agree with, especially after we know that in Portland the governments,
the federal government's own internal assessment said that those protests
were quote unquote low energy before Trump came in and said, oh,
war ravaged Portland and we got to send it in
the National Guard and we got to do all of this.
(33:55):
There was also another decision that may lead to the
release of high hundreds of the immigrants that they've detained
that says their in violation, the federal governments in violation
of a consent decree with regard to how they pick
up these immigrants and the way that they're using widespread
warrantless arrests of immigrants, which is illegal. And then you
(34:17):
had also a decision that came down that was related
to their indiscriminate use of chemical weapons. We all saw
the priests who got shot in the head with a
pepper ball, or pastor or religious figure. I'm not sure
what his exact designation was. And we've also seen reports
about them pepper spray. They pepper sprayed the freaking Chicago
Police Department. They pepper sprayed outside of an elementary school
(34:40):
so the kids couldn't go outside for recess. We've seen
activist journalists, anyone who's just there like recording, getting sprayed
directly in the face. And so there was also a
decision that came down that was like, you can't do that.
You can't just spray you know, journalists and activists, you're
violating their First Amendment rights by using these riot control
weapons in such a widespread and careless manner.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Well, and I just want to say the because I
don't disagree that what you just laid out, there's a
broader effort to chill.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
The like the any migrants.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Who may be here, to encourage what they call sealth deportation.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Like I don't, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
The incompetence, to me reminds me a lot of the
reason I invoked that description is because it reminds me
of what happened with mat mu Khalil and Ramisa os
Turk where they're relying on like what Canary mission and
they get these like lists of people who are apparently
support giving materials, support to terrorists and then just to
(35:43):
UH in Chicago may be literal but metaphorically shoot first,
asked questions later. And I do think that's strategic. I
think they're they're sort of like that that's the strategy.
I just think that strategy is like politically morally ridiculous,
and so that's the where the incompetence came. Like that's
where I was using that description because it's like I'm
(36:03):
saying this as a conservative again.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I know we're going to talk about this, but like.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
I'm watching all of this happen, and I'm like that
they think they have this mandate, they think they have
the wind at their back, all of this political capital,
and they don't because what they're doing is absurd, and
so it's just like it's so stupid all around.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
I think that leads nicely to this next clip where
it seems like, yeah, most people are kind of aware
of what the government is trying to do with all this.
Let's take a listen to our favorite. I guess he's
a priest. Now did he converts?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Wondering what is going on with that too?
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Yeah, this is he doing a Russell Brand moment here.
We'll have to see you. We'll have to look into
that later. But let's take a listen to Rogan here
on these idea of sets.
Speaker 13 (36:47):
Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it
looks is horrific when you're just arresting people in front
of their kids and just normal regular people that have
been here for twenty years. Yeah that everybody has a heart.
Can't get along with that. Now, everybody who has a
heart sees that and go, that can't be right. They
can't be right. They can't be the only way to
(37:09):
do this right because you have to think, look, yeah,
we have to have a border. Yes it should have
been secure. Yes they should make sure you know who
everybody is before they get in. But when people been
here for twenty years, like, come on, come on, that's crazy. Yeah,
let's find a way. If they've been productive members of
society for twenty years, no criminal record, they worked the
(37:31):
entire time, they paid taxes, find them a pathway to citizenship.
Find a way where you can do this thing that
you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel
members from getting across the border with drugs that kill
one hundred thousand people a year. Okay, but also have
a fucking heart, because if you don't, you're not gonna
(37:52):
get anybody on your side if you're doing this stuff, publicly,
throwing women into the ground, handcuffing people just for exist
on the wrong side of the dirt.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Yeah, not a criminal.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Not.
Speaker 13 (38:03):
The only crime they ever committed was coming over here
as a kid. Yeah, they probably didn't even know what
the fuck was going on.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
Yeah, you know, a lot of kids got snuck across
when they were already born in Mexico and they've grown
up their entire life in America. They can't even speak Spanish.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
Well, I mean, part of that is where dude once
pasted the citizenship for millions and millions of people. But
I will set that aside and say he has had
that is a perception that most average Norman Americans are
going to have, and they're not wrong to have that
perception either.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
And Zach Bryan, I think we have this who he's
been on Rogan.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
I think he's like just again normy veteran super popular
with young like white dudes. I like Zach Bryan. I
think he's pretty good. And he has this new snippet
of a song. He previewed one of his new songs
and it's about like ice banging down your door. And
John Rich from Big and Rich called for him to
(38:57):
be Dixie Chicks and said, like bud Light should sponsors
tour or something like that.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Uh, it's just like again.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
There's there's always this saw someone say, you know, what
a shock that liberals are getting beer, country music and
football in the national divorce.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
But this is the thing.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
There's the right was always criticizing the left for being
in bubbles, and I think we all know that that's true.
But now the right has the reigns of power, and
that's they're putting themselves. They're ensconsin themselves in this thick
bubble now too. By saying anybody who disagrees with us
is a lib. Anybody who disagrees with us uh is
(39:36):
basically like pro kamala, And that just means you tune
out all of the like just well intentioned feedback that
you're getting when people see clips like the one that
we just played on the show, and you have influencers
following Christy Gnome around acting like this is some generational
political genius, like this is this entire astro plan is
(40:00):
some generational political historic stroke of genius, and they're just
isolating themselves from like normy people who are looking at
us and being like this is is not. Of course,
there are some people who say this is exactly what
I voted for, but that's definitely not most of the country,
and so they're they're isolated, I think from all of that.
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Let me read this lyric for a sec from Zach Bryan,
one of the biggest musicians on the planet. It says
his lyric is I heard the cops came cocky mfs,
ain't they Ice is gonna come bust down your door,
try and build a house. No one builds no more.
But I got a telephone. Kids are all scared and
all alone. Then a response from the DHS stick to
(40:41):
pink skies. Dude, says Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary
Tricia McLaughlin in a response, So yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I hate these people so much.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
It does feel like they're pushing it too far, Like yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And Brian, I'm gonna ask you that. I actually want
to ask both of you guys this. I'll all three
of you this because Sager and I have been like
having a little bit of a debate about whether they
think this is they genuinely believe this is politically advantageous
for them, or whether they don't care because they're not
that interested in whether they're going to have to face
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voters and they don't think it's going to be that
consequential whether they have to face voters. I did note
dominion voting got sold to some like Republicans, stop the
steal apparatic, So that's a little ominous. Got to look
into that more to find out what that means. But
I mean that is that is my concern is that
as much as they are in a bubble, and I
(41:40):
think they are in a bubble, that they it's not
they're not doing these things because they think they're popular.
They're doing it because they want a one party state.
They're doing it because they're really going for it and
trying to consolidate power so that future elections are more
or less meaningless. Now Sager disagrees with that. He thinks
they genuinely believe but this is like based and popular
(42:02):
and that this is a good political trajectory for them.
So I'm curious what you guys, you know, what you
guys thoughts are.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
On that I'll just take super quickly.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
I agree with Sarger, like we obviously know some of
the players in this personally, and they did. My take
on this is like pretty familiar. They genuinely think that
this is popular. Now, there may be some people in
the mix, like Stephen Miller, who I don't really know personally,
who maybe it's a combination of both, Like they think
it's super popular and based, and they also don't care
if it's not.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
But a lot of them like genuinely think.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
That this is the will of the American people and
that normal people see these videos and are like I
had to happen at some point, too bad.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Yeah, my take, I'm curious if this records with what
Emily thinks.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
That Stephen Miller is a hardcore.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Ideologue, Like he has a worldview, he has the power,
he has the time in power, and he's going to
execute it. And he's he's also like a disturbingly young guy,
like he's going to be around for a very very
long time, and who knows if he ends up staffing
like every coming Republican administration, but that he thinks that
(43:19):
he can basically create new realities by reshaping the country,
and that old idea is about, you know, how this
particular issue polls week to week or will be out
the window because he's so thoroughly revolutionizing what's happening inside
the United States, and it's driven by this like end
(43:39):
goal ideology that is as extremely.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
What is that end goal ideology? What are the realities
that he thinks he's changing?
Speaker 11 (43:48):
Well?
Speaker 6 (43:48):
As Trump as Trump said it, he said, if Steven
Miller had his way, there'd be one hundred million people
in this country and they'd all look like Steven Miller.
Like that's that's what Donald Trump said about Stephen.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
This one hundred million number has been coming up a
lot and memes lately. The Department of Homeland Security has
been doing these like fan cams where they're like these
edits where it's like America if there was only one
hundred million people in it and it's and it's just
all white people frolicking around.
Speaker 11 (44:16):
They like use old like nineties TV.
Speaker 8 (44:19):
Yeah, they use like old nineties TV shows where the
cast is all white and stuff. It's like, oh, like
every show will be like Friends again, or it's just
white people. I don't know that that's This one hundred
million number is starting to really come up.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah, I mean maybe they.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Started in twenty twenty four. I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (44:39):
When they came into office in twenty twenty five, the
Biden administration had just brought in what like eight to
ten million people in the period of three years who
had precarious legal situations. Some of them and this is
like the healthcare debate with the shutdowns. Some of them
are perfectly here legally because Biden expanded the pathways, and
that's true of many many people. Some of them are
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here illegally without documentation. And so they did have this
like big that there. Most of the country wanted some
solution to this procarity, mass procarity among all of these migrants.
They wanted the border close. The Trump administration has basically
closed the border, but they took that and have now
(45:22):
said it's like permission to expand this police state and
to like militarize the operation in what like Elgin, Illinois,
as I think we talked about last week, a suburb
of Chicago, and these are very very different things, not
just politically but also morally, and the idea that they
have permission to like do helicopter immigration enforcement again politically
(45:46):
and morally in Elgin, it's just I mean, like and.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
To detain American citizens. All these are these are very very.
Speaker 7 (45:54):
Different things, and they don't seem to I think they
they genuinely are not aware of that, because they've put
them in this like trench mentality where it's like you're
with us or you're against us completely and you're with
the trende ragua cartel.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
It's just yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Well, and I think Ryan's point is important one because
there may be people in the Trump administration that think
this is politically beneficial. And then but the person who
really matters the most, I would say at this point
is actually Steven Miller, because he certainly seems to be
running the show. And so you know, my sense is
the same as Ryan's that and I don't think anyone
(46:33):
would disagree. This is a die hard ideologue who does
not believe in America as a diverse society. He doesn't
believe in the idea of a melting pot. He believes
in at a blood and soil white et no state,
and he wants to make it so that the people
he doesn't count as American don't get to have a
say in the future of the country. So whether that's
(46:56):
you know, through you know, the the terror campaign that
you know both effectuates deportations but also effectuates a mass
exit of people who no longer feel comfortable in this
country because remember we now have the Supreme Court says, hey,
you can do Kavanaugh stops. You're allowed to just harass
people because they're brown, under a car washer or whatever.
So that plus and Griffin, maybe you can pull this
(47:20):
about the latest you know reporting on NSPM seven and
the way they're going after Act Blue and you know,
anything linked to George Soros whatsoever indivisible and pretending these
are part of some like Antifa terror network and targeting
them through the FBI, through the IRS, through the whole
(47:40):
of government. So his idea is basically, the people who
oppose me in the you know, black and brown people
that I don't consider to be quote unquote real Americans,
We're going to make it so they don't really have
a say, so they don't really count in the future.
And you know, all of these escalatory steps which are
intentional provocative, which every time you see these raids, they
(48:03):
got camera guys fallen behind, so they can publish them,
so they can further inflame and advertise their you know,
fascist tactics, so that every time they do that, they
are courting this broader confrontation that will allow them to
grab even more power. And I just don't think it's
deniable at this point that that's the plan, because they're
already well along the plan. I mean they practically announce
(48:24):
it out loud. So that's what we're in the midst of.
And what I struggle with is is articulating both the
grave seriousness of that, where he truly you know, we
are already in a different country than we were before
Trump two point zero came into office, like we'd been
sliding in this struction, but now we are in a
different country than we were previously. That is a very
(48:47):
grave situation. And then also a bunch of these people
are like utterly clownish buffoons. You know, the National Guard
Meal Team six is like a perfect example of this,
or you know RFK up there like oh, you know, circumcision,
I'm dialing and autism whatever. So it's it can be
hard to wrap your hat around people who are idiots
and clowns, but who also are id logues and are
(49:10):
are very effectively implementing an extreme and radical plan to
turn this country into something that it was not previously.
Speaker 8 (49:21):
Yes, there's been a lot of crackdowns, and Trump actually
name check DSA as one of the groups that he
is going to be looking to as well. And yet
it does seem like they are trying to define what
Antifa means and who Antifa is still, which I think
leads us perfectly to our final segment.
Speaker 11 (49:39):
We want to get on the public half here.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
We should.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
I was gonna say, we should get some like like
Juli or ended Note to come on and debate Antifa.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
We'll, we'll, we'll set.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Something like that.
Speaker 11 (49:50):
Let's get it. That sounds like an after party booking.
I love it. Let's do it. Let's get let's get
him on here. All right.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
Well, I think this leads us perfectly to our last segment.
Really important here about Jesse Waters and Antifa. Yes, Crystal,
I'm gonna pull this up if you can break it down.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, So do you have these?
Speaker 2 (50:09):
So he's he's accused Jesse Waters of he he likes
to use these masked guests, and so we had one here.
The most recent is like some Antifa guy. That's the
one on top who looks remarkably similar to a previous
mass guests who he had who was supposedly like a
Mexican cartel member or something like that.
Speaker 11 (50:31):
Members.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It looks remarkably similar to this guy on the bottom
who I don't know. Was this guy supposed to be
like Hamas or something like that.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
You know, it's like it's.
Speaker 7 (50:42):
Always sunny, the gang goes jihad.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
That's what this looks like.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
That bottom one.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
It looks like almost like a filter that not even
like real things that anyway, people are noticing that this
character appears to be the same character if you listen
to them, they sound similar, they have the same mannerisms.
People are speculating that it might be this, you know,
this Robert O'Neil guy. I don't know if that's true.
They actually denied it. They Fox News did deny that
it was Robert O'Neill.
Speaker 11 (51:06):
Nevertheless, we're not claiming that either on the show.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
It doesn't look like him, yes, but yeah no, we're
not claiming that.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Oh I really I do think it looks like him.
Speaker 8 (51:14):
Crystal, We're not claiming it. We don't know. We this
is all as far as we know on the record.
These are all different guys. Let's take a quick listen
to them.
Speaker 14 (51:22):
So recruiting, working with youth, getting uh, you know, and
just going out spitting out the message, and the thing
is too you know a lot of people get into
it because that.
Speaker 15 (51:33):
I kind of laugh when I saw two things. I
saw that he had allegedly stated that one of his
motives or reasons was to support Black Lives matter at.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
About ninth grade or so.
Speaker 14 (51:49):
Get on a few years growing up in Seattle, we
had those the riots in ninety nine.
Speaker 8 (51:55):
All right, So those are all the different gentlemen that
Jesse has had on the show recently.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
People really called him riots.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
Don't don't.
Speaker 8 (52:08):
Don't tell me, uh that that looks similar. So Crystal,
I was able to.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, I was able to get I did a little
bit of you know, of investigative journalism here, guys, and
I wanted to talk to someone who's known Jesse for
a long time, who could speak to his character and
whether or not he would be the sort of person
who would you know, put the same guy on TV
(52:34):
three times in three different bandanas and claim he was
totally different people and you know, try to sell this
to the public.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
So you go ahead, you.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
Pre taped, you pre taped this, and Ryan and I
am not. We have not seen this.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
We're you told us about it. We're excited.
Speaker 11 (52:51):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, So so let's go ahead, Griffin, if you can
pull up this interview I was able to get with
Jesse Waters frat brother, who also happens now very well
relevantly to be the Grand Dragon of the ANTIFA Global
g Hot Network and also serves as Gavin Newsom's comms director.
So a lot that he brings to the table here,
quite a noteworthy guest, Griffin, if you could go ahead
(53:14):
and play this joining us now we have Jesse Waters,
former frat brother. He now serves as Grand Dragon for
the ANTIFA Global g HOD Network and also as Gavin
Nussm's comms director. From an own, undisclosed location for the
purposes of this interview, we'll call you, let's say, Lyle.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (53:33):
Lyle, Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, of course, anything you could tell us about Jesse,
his character, what he was like when you knew him in.
Speaker 16 (53:41):
College, Yeah, he was a terrible guy, chronic liar, smelled
really bad, he's smug, full of himself. Me and him
actually played Division ie botchie ball together, and the team
had a nickname for him. We called him Tadpole because
when we saw him in the shower, me and the
guys were a damn that guy's hung like a tadpole.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Wow. That's uh, that's a lot of information.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
That's That's maybe more than what I was really looking for,
But I appreciate that the disclosure. Anything that stood out
to you about him, anything that was like odd or
weird that he did in college that might inform our
understanding of who he is today.
Speaker 16 (54:20):
Well, I mean, there was that time he cheated on
his girlfriend with Bill O'Reilly. That's how he got the
spot on the show. They used to rub falafels all
over each other. O'reiley was into that.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Hmm, yeah, I've heard that actually before.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I had heard something about that previously, So that does
add up with some of the information that's already publicly
on the record. I guess my final question for you,
Lyle is just what do you think of this new
scandal that he's embroiled in. He stands accused of having
phony people come on the show pretend to be people
that they are not. Whatsoever. You know, what do you
(54:56):
think of the type of person who would do such
a thing.
Speaker 16 (54:59):
I'm that's it's that's disgusting, frankly. I mean I think
it should probably it should be at least a mistivean
it should probably be a felony, if you ask me,
I think probably at least twenty years in prison if
you do something like that.
Speaker 11 (55:11):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah, pretty disgusting. I'd be disgusting. I all agree with that.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
All right, Well, thank you for that information, while and
good good luck with the with the terror network. I
hope you hope you you know, do well there of
a the authorities or whatever you're up to.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Thanks Greving.
Speaker 8 (55:31):
Okay, I have to say, as the producer, you know
I haven't fact checked any of this.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
Well, that was a very risky interview because if there
are not many comms people for Gavin newsom so, I
think that our viewers are probably going to be able
to narrow down the identity. Do not docs of that,
do not do not docs? Uh, because you know, this
is somebody who took a personal risk to come out
and in the public interest to reveal what he knows.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
So yeah, I would discourage people lived has lived experience.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah, yes, it was brave.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
But I told Lyle, I told Lyle how brave it
was of him to come toward in that way.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
Used a voice distorder.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
I know, he used like an AI voice distorder to
make him sound like somebody were all familiar with.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
That was very close, just to throw.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
People off, just to throw people off the scent, you know.
Speaker 7 (56:28):
But you know what, it is important for responsible journalists
to vet their sources and to to vet the people
who are coming on the air to shed some light
on these important questions about public affairs. And so that
was crystal. I think that was excellent. Maybe Nobel Peace
(56:49):
price worthy. Yeah, I mean at least.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I spent a lot of time with this individual before
the interview. I can tell a lot, like an extraordinary
amount of time with this individual before then. I certainly
did my homework. I mean I would, Yeah, absolutely, I would.
Speaker 5 (57:08):
I would.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
I trust him on that level. That's how that's how
did you.
Speaker 5 (57:12):
Equipment? Do you think you would let him sure your
streaming equipment?
Speaker 7 (57:15):
Like could you ever show like a microphone, has beautiful eyes, share.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
My streaming equipment later.
Speaker 8 (57:22):
He is a he has a striking beautiful eyes. And
I did reach out to Jesse Waters a request for
comment on the tadpole issue. They responded saying that he
is a grower, not a shower, so I think in general,
so I just wanted to say we covered all of
our bases here. But again, if there are lawsuits, I
(57:44):
was not involved with the segment anyways, Thank you did
the Grand Dragon, Gavin Newso watch out.
Speaker 11 (57:54):
You can't be this affiliated with these types of characters.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, good advice.
Speaker 5 (58:00):
Good a beautiful, beautiful journalism.
Speaker 8 (58:02):
Well, on that note, after that Pultzer winning piece of
journal journalism, we're gonna move on to the second half
of the show. We'll be doing other other segments with
the Grand Dragon. So Breakingpoints dot Com if you want
to see that, if you want to be like if
you journalists, if you want to support.
Speaker 11 (58:21):
More interviews like that, Breakingpoints dot.
Speaker 8 (58:24):
Com, we can do that once a week if we
want to.
Speaker 11 (58:29):
Heah, that guy's available.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
That's right, right's not the only one out here with sources,
you know, doing hard protection.
Speaker 11 (58:38):
Okay, and we'll see you all in that second half
in just a second
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Now? You doing.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Excellent bunch of interesting stuff this morning. We've got Nobel
Peace Prize has been awarded, not totally to Trump, but
like kind of low key a little bit to Trump's.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
That's really really market.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, Don Bolton, Marco Rubio, many people who who get
to have the benefit of this particular Nobel Peace Prize.
We also have the ceasefire officially in effect. We're going
to take a look. We're going to rekindle Ryan's feud
with Jesse waters, So you guys definitely want to check
that out. All kinds of stuff going on in terms
of Trump and Chicago, etc. That we want to check
in on as well, But wanted to start with the
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fact that that ceasefire in Gaza is officially in effect, Ryan, Like,
what do we know about what's actually going on there
and how things are looking?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Yeah, went into effect at what five am hour time?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Israel says that it has redeployed its troops to the
lines that they have agreed upon, but they will continue
to carry out operations basically in self defense, like if
they feel like they are being threatened, they will continue
to attack Palestinians. I think in the last twenty four
hours at least seventeen Palestinians were killed. But they also
(01:47):
confess it's.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Not really my understanding of a ceasefire.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
No, well, that is the understanding that the Israel government
usually brings to a ceasefire. They reached a ceasefire many
months ago with Lebanon and have been striking Lebanon on
a weekly or almost daily basis. So the level of
the strikes a number of strikes will certainly reduce, but
Israel's suggesting that it won't reduce down to zero. Now
(02:12):
that they have officially agreed to it, it'll be time
to go try to find all of the captives that
need to be released and then also try to find
the bodies. Meanwhile, Israel's then supposed to begin the process
of releasing it's two hundred and fifty lifetime you know,
what they call lifers is Palestinian and serving life sentences
as well as what it's seventeen hundred people who that
(02:35):
they who they basically were holding as hostages men, women
and children that they had picked up in Gaza after
October seventh, who they said have nothing to do with
October seventh, but have been into tention anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So they're going to release some of those.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Is Marwan Bargerty going to be part of that prisoner
release because I know that had been on point of contention.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I don't, I have not seen whether you know the
word is that you know, Palestinians are pushing very hard
for him, and the Israelies are resisting very hard.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Guys, I understand it. He's currently not in Marwan Bargutty, interestingly,
is no.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
He's FATA, which is the rival of Hamas and yet yet,
yet he is Hamas's number one priority because he is
the basically the only figure capable of really unifying Palestinians
into a national coalition, which is precisely why these rallies
don't want him released. So it does not so our
(03:36):
understanding at this point is that no, that he will
not be He will not be.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
Released and Ryan just in the next like forty eight hours,
let alone weeks and months into the future. Are there
some trip wires that are like particularly obvious from the
twenty point deal or other places where this is like
very very fragile going forward.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Well, the circumstances of the exchange, the can addition of
the captives when when they're in exchanged, will certainly inflame.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Tensions.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
There's been a siegehn Yet when Israelis have seen previous
captives released, they have said, you know, how how dare you?
How could you treat the the hostages this way? And
Palestinians look around at that, they're like, this is what
we look like too, like what are you what are
you talking about?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
But that that so that could that could inflame the situation?
You know, I just geopolitically curiously you guys. Take it
just feels very difficult cult for Israel to restart this war.
I know there's gonna then Yaho will be under a
lot of pressure from his right flank to do it.
He himself has very clearly said that he wants to
continue this war. But I can't think of a faster
(04:52):
way to flush what remaining credibility of the US and
Israel have down the toilet then to get the to
get what you said you wanted, and then immediately restart it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
So I don't know, we'll see. So Hamas has taken
a gamble, but.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
It's it's basically their only option and and it's a
huge relief for Palestinians and Gaza. It'll be cause for
immense celebration to finally open up the crossings, because there's
five or six crossings are going to open up, and
explicitly as part of the deal, they're going to surge
in you know, humanitarian aid, which is another admission that
(05:29):
they were withholding humanitarian aid for military purposes, which is
a war crime, but we knew that. But it will
be very benefit, it'll be it'll be it'll be life
changing for people who were on the on the brink
of starvation.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Life preserving for people who were on the brink up
starvation and being bombed and slaughtered on a routine basis.
Also interesting that GHF apparently is done moving forward. I
know you guys have been reporting previously that Israel was
really trying to keep GHF in place, so that seems,
you know, quite significant. GHF, of course, was the site
(06:03):
of those routine or outside of their sites, was the
where there were these routine AID massacres committed by IDF troops,
where we had doctors saying, you know, every time there's
a GHF AID distribution, we have mass casualty events show
up at our hospitals. So of course, very noteworthy that
that's going to be gone. The other noteworthy thing, and Griffin,
I don't know if you can pull this up or
(06:23):
a news article to this effect, but they're talking about
an international force on the ground to police the ceasefire deal,
and as part of that, the US will be sending
some two hundred troops to Israel, So American boots on
the ground here to make sure that our ally upholds
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their end of the ceasefire deal.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
At least that's the idea here.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
The point that Ryan and Jeremy have made in the
reporting at drop site that I find very interesting is
how the pressures applied to the Arab world in Egypt
were really consequential. Uh, I'm sorry, the pressures applied by
the Arab world to the Israelis in Egypt.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
One of those pines to the Palestinians in Egypt were
utterly consequential. And what's interesting to me about that, Ryan
is you guys have mentioned that for Palestinians, it was
important that Trump sort of put his own credibility into
the negotiation by being the head of the board, the
committee that's supposed to oversee the peace process and the
(07:37):
plan in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
And I guess this question.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
About troops or how it's you know, how how these
trip wires or how Ntsan Yahoo could violate the terms
of the peace plan. At this point, I was wondering
if you had any more thoughts on how like Kushner
and wit Coough and Trump himself have like put themselves.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
On the line.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Does that make it Does that make any sort of
betrayal from Ntsian Yahoo even riskier from his perspective? Like
what could go wrong there?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah, the Palestinians, like major insistence was that any deal
be personally guaranteed by Donald Trump. They wanted him to
put his name on it and announce it publicly.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
And from from an outside perspective, a lot of people like,
what are you talking about? Do you trust Donald Trump?
Is that It's like, that's not exactly the guy that
you would, you know, really want to ride or die
with that you're on his word. But from their perspective,
he's it like he's the guy, like there's nobody else
in the world who is capable of restraining Israel, but
(08:41):
he is true.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So which actually goes to this thing where everybody.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Thinks that Israel controls like the American government, they have
enormous amount of influence. The United States is more powerful
if the United States actually exerts itself as it has
in the past and almost in ending almost every other
war that Israel was involved in, Like that's how those
wars end. An American president calls up, whether it's Reagan
or Biden, Obama or Trump and says, it's that's it,
(09:08):
You're done.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I'm yanking the.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Leash your runways over whatever phrase I use it like
it's done, and so they were I think waiting for
Trump to do that or Biden to do it, and
so Hamas is saying, you've got this is all we have.
We absolutely do not trust net and Yahoo. So if
you put your credibility on the line, that's at least something.
And they didn't really want like that. He created a
(09:32):
board of peace that was going to have him and
Tony Blair on it, because that meant there'd be no
sovereignty in the redevelopment for Gaza.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But the fact that he.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Was putting a stamp on it was I think that
was kind of Trump's expression of that of that desire
and Trump, you know, yeah, he announced it publicly, he
spoke about it publicly. He's taken full credit for it.
That is what they wanted because so now Trump is
on the line. Well that's worth we'll find out.
Speaker 8 (09:59):
Yeah, talk about I mean to hear you, Crystal, Oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I was just going to say, I mean, to your point,
it's not about Trump being a trustworthy character. It's about
the reality of the situation, the power dynamics of the
fact that he's he is literally the only person in
the world that can actually tell Israel and enforce Israel
stopping the genocide. So you have no choice but to
hope that he follows through.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
On the deal.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And you know, Jeremy laid out like there's some I mean,
it's disgusting, right, but that there's some sort of like
business dollars and cents logic for eight I think he
you know, Gazolavo is still the goal in the dream.
You know, we should probably play Candice Owen's talking about
how disgusting that is because she hit the nail on
the head with it, but that is effectively what they're
(10:47):
relying on, and not just in terms of gaz a Lago,
but also you know, he has all these desires and
business development deals in the with the golf Arab states
in particular, and so he doesn't want to piss them off.
You know, I don't know if that's Realiszica. They're so
compliant and so like focused on the money too that
they you know, they don't actually care about the Palestinians.
(11:07):
All the pressure comes from below with regard to them,
So I don't know how you know, how much screwing
up this deal would really hinder his business ambitions in
the region. But perhaps there's a perception there.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well, I think that that's where they strike in Doha
actually played an interesting role because because I think that
the Emirates and the Saudis and the cutteries all called
up Kushner and Trump and we're like, hey, hey, guys,
like you're all your money's over here, like they're they're
bombing your money now, and Trump.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Like, oh, they yeah, they kind.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Of are bombing my money. We can't have that because
you don't know how this spirals. And also their economies,
such that you can even call them economies, are are
built on this you know international you know business, these
international business relationships which are based on the idea that
they are not Syria, They're not Iraq, Like that is
(12:01):
a perfectly safe place. So to have you know, smoke
plumes rising from their downtown right next to like the
Chinese embassy is not good for.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Business down the street from the school that Sager went to,
right that is back business.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Yes, so Ryan for people who haven't been paying attention
to all the ins and outs of this.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Deal, where does this leave Hamas.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
In terms of leadership or in terms of being in
charge of Gaza? Because I have a clip here on
a play for you to react to from an Israeli
ambassador that seems to suggest something slightly different than the
deal that was just signed.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Why don't we take a listen.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
You mentioned earlier you see this deal as leading toward
the destruction of Hamas.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Tell me more about that.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
Because Hamas has not agreed to disarm, they've not agreed
to leave Gaza, as Israel has insisted in the past.
Speaker 10 (12:57):
The agreement, the twenty point plan, is very clear on
the disarming of Hamas, and it's also very clear that
if they do not disarm, then we're going to go
back into military confrontation. They have to disarm. Hamas cannot
remain standing in Gaza. That's the plan and that's what
has to be implemented. This plan is basically it's conced
(13:22):
with the government's directives for completing this war, and that's
the disarming of Hamas and the demilitarization of Gaza. If
that doesn't happen, then this peace plan is not going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
So the peace plan is not going anywhere unless Hamas
demilitarizes dearmed.
Speaker 11 (13:41):
Now is that part of the deal?
Speaker 8 (13:43):
Ryan?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Break that down for us.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
It was part of the twenty point plan. It was,
but Hamas did not accept the twenty point plan. Hamas
accepted the first part of it and then said that
they look forward to discussing, you know, what a future
you know, Palestinian run technocratic administration would look like. And
they have said we will relinquish power to a pal
(14:08):
you know, technocratic committee of made up of Palestinian experts.
But they have basically said they wouldn't disarm until there's
a state in place, and then they would disarm as
part of that evolution into statehood. So yeah, this, this,
this remains the thing that that is outstanding. So if
(14:29):
if Israel believes that it's going to have the ability
from you know, geopolitically and cover from the United States
to get the hostages back and then go in and
saying that they're doing it because they need to disarm AMAS,
which again, a lot of their weapons are unexploded ordinance
and it'll take twenty years to get all the unexploded
(14:50):
ordinance out of there, So I don't quite see how
they physically literally can disarm if those are the weapons
we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
So yeah, that but that's where the.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Emily's point about trip wires like that's that's a pretty
big that's a pretty big gulf. And you know, will
Trump sign off on restarting the war for that aim
with no hostages left?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Well, I guess we're going to find out.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, Indeed, I just on a curiosity because I noticed
that guy that we were just listening to, the Israeli
ambassador to the US, seemed to have American accent. He
is indeed from Scrianton, Pennsylvania. And not only that, according
to Haratz, was affiliated with that rabbi, Rabbi Kahane, who
(15:35):
was you know, was this incredible extremist who thought that
any non Jewish, any non Jewish person in Israel should
either be deported or serve.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
As a slave. So, you know, just to give you
a sense of the type.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Of characters is this government and what.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
What their ideology are.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, he's you know, moderate compared to some who were
in the coalition. Ultimately, I guess they should just be deported,
not actively murdered.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
So and Ryan, after you're reporting this week and drop
site about a certain ghostwriter for an Israeli ambassador, is
this one of the ambassadors that's getting some ghostwriting done
by our friend Douglas Murray.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
We don't have any evidence of that.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
The guy whose speeches they were writing is now the
Israeli ambassador to Germany actually, which is a pretty pretty
plump posting.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Well, Crystal also flagged this that you know, we've gone
through two years of this Israeli gazed genocide, but there's
been some reveals about some of the three D modeling
that's been occurring over these last two years. Of course,
everyone remembers the famous three D rendering of the Awl
(16:47):
Shifa hospital. Is that the one that they did the
breakdown of And so I wanted to put this up
on screen for a second. Some of these elements here,
so it looks like, I mean, Crystal, so can you
explain what we're seeing here?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, So, basically the idea is that they did this
analysis and tracked a bunch of these images that they
used to claim, you know, whether it was tunnel systems
or to show their targeting, et cetera. They tracked it
back to this this one guy, and you know, elements
reused very it looks very video game, but basically just
(17:23):
exposing the level of fabricated propaganda that was going on here.
And in the specific case of the Al Shifa hospital.
I'm sure you guys remember this was early in the genocide,
when they still felt the need to justify their attacks
on hospitals, and we're subjected to this, you know, three
D modeling of this elaborate layer that was supposedly under
the hospital where Hamas's headquarters was located, et cetera. Came
(17:47):
in for a lot of mockery at the time. Well
turns out they had actually recycled some previous propaganda of
an alleged Hamas tunnel underneath of a un school. They
just pulled that and repurposed it to be like, no, actually,
the Hamas layer is under the hospital now. So I
just even for us people who have been very skeptical,
(18:09):
to say the least of Israeli government claims, and you know,
very attuned to the amount of haspara and the amount
of you know, money that's spent to paid play influencers
and all of that that's been revealed, I think, even
to me, it is stunning the amount and the scope
and the brazenness of the lies in the propaganda that
we have been fed, not just over these two years
but long before that.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
By the way, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Great really impressive reporting here well and absolutely yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
One point that the person who broke this down made
is that it's intentionally done to amplify media coverage, because
the strategy is to say, if you give the media
a visual, it will end up more likely covered on
the news because they have something they can visually show people.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That they can pull an element.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah right, they can pull an element, they can D
four Yeah, they're right.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
It's a bit like the person who reported this out
had examples of that having worked pretty pretty effectively.
Speaker 11 (19:15):
Mm hm.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
So you know, Trump is celebrating, he's excited for his
Nobel Peace Prize, but then plot twist, someone else got
the Nobel this morning, Ryan, can you explain who this
person is that brought all this piece together?
Speaker 11 (19:33):
For those just listening the podcast, I'm throwing up an
image here.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
The twenty twenty five Nobel Peace Prize when ordered to
Maria Corrino Machado for her tireless work promoting democratic rights
for the people of Venezuela and for her struggle to
achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Her her efforts to bring democracy to Venezuela involved being
a leader of the two thousand and two coups UH
and then signing a decree to dissolve basically the constitution.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That coup was short.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Lived and jav has came back to power, and you know,
since then, you know, she's been she's been an opposition leader.
She was banned from uh from running for president because
of her involvement in this, in this coup and in
other irregularities in the way that and and basically being
(20:28):
allied with the United States and trying to overthrow the
Venezuelan government.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
She you know, celebrated, you know, Trump's coup attempts in
his first term. She has celebrated his bombing of the
of all the Narco the narco boats or the fishing boats,
whatever they are. She has urged the sanctions that have
you know, crushed Venezuela. She has even asked Benjamin N.
(20:53):
Yahoo to please come liberate Venezuela. Uh yeah, who then
Yaho has not taken them up that request yet, but
that's that's who she is. So just kind of an
incredible decision by the Nobel Best prized media. It's like,
(21:13):
I guess the gas of Humanitarian Foundation wasn't available because
they were out said as part of this, uh yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I will I will say. I don't I forget why
I had accus you to do this.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
I went through the election certifications for the last the
when Manchada was on the ballot the last time. I
imagine one of the reasons she got this because there's
a pretty decent case that she actually won. It's very
very hard to know because of all the irregularities, but
I think it's pretty well.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
They kicked her off the ballot, her practice, her but
her party, her proxy. Yes it, yes, it does. It
does appear like that like Maduro rigged that election. And
the reason we're stopping the steal. Yeah, well, and the
real interest singly, the reason that we that Emily can
look into it and be pretty confident that that he
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did rig it is that Chavez himself put in place
these kind of very transparent systems that every that everybody
can check, so you can you can check it at
the local and the regional level and match it against
what's being said nationally. And because of those Chavez reforms,
you can actually see like, oh, yeah, it does look
(22:26):
like the opposition party probably did win this election, and
or and Maduro stole it.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Right, or like they're not even cooperating with those systems
and yeah they just yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
So maybe that's but.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
They also did it they were able to track because
of the system. Actually, yeah, ran, that's exactly, Like because
of that system, they're able to see what the tallies
were in certain areas and all of that, and looks
like he probably lost.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, yes, And so.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
The Nobel Pece Prize, I mean, I don't think any
of us take it particularly seriously. I just reported out
a whole story on it. It's like maybe not worth
dwelling too long on. But Trump is like so desperate
for a Nobel Peace Prize and at the same time
so obviously aware he's not going to get a Nobel.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Peace I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I feel like giving it to her is a signal
from the committee that they're open to giving it to Trump,
because this is like if you're going to give it
to a American president's couplatter, like, why wouldn't you give
it to the American president too?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, he can definitely can definitely claim a piece
of that prize even if he didn't get the whole
thing this time.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well, I was talking to like Nobel historians who are like,
they just see it because this is in Norwegian, Like
they see it as so uncouth for anybody to campaign
for themselves to get the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
So it's not even like the people I talked to
is like, it wouldn't even be ideological.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
It's just this idea that like he's out there begging
for it, and people are like, oh, that's the same.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Wasn't this part of you guys got to refresh my memory?
Wasn't this part of why Bill Gates maintained his relationship
with Epstein because Epstein was telling him like he could
get him the Nobel Prize.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Wasn't that part of.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Really yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I mean, and reading through Epstein's emails and such, it
wouldn't be hard to believe that he would have that
kind of pull.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But he knew everybody and he was able to make
things happen.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
We're going to start our Peace Award, that's going to
start to be a competitor with a new list of
candidates who deserves the Peace for Ward right now, Ryan, I.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Mean, I would think.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Like doctors in Gazas, like doctors and nurses in Gaza,
like the or the civil defense, like the people who
knowing that there's going to be a double tap strike
still rush to the building to pull people out of
it like that. Those those are that's the best of
humanity under the worst conditions, selflessly putting your your body
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on the on the line to help others that you
don't know. Yeah, that that should be what the Nobel
Peace Prize is for.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, well, do you want to move to Chicago?
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Well, christ I think it sounds like your memory is correct.
That is, uh, that's actually what happened.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I thought, so yeah, yeah, Marbart Sager and I talked
about that one.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
All right, Well, every aspect of that as wild.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Moving on to Chicago, Christine Nome is doubling down and
uh looking to get more office space here in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
Already is we're purchasing more buildings in Chicago to operate
out of. We're going to not back off. In fact,
we're doubling down and we're going to be in more
parts of Chicago in response to the people there. And
then I was there a few days ago and looked
at some facilities that we can deploy more law enforcement
out of because what they're trying to do with these
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riots and violences distract us and keep us from going
after those murders and rapists that are out on the streets.
And then I was in Portland, went out and back in.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
All right, so more offices.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
We also do have a video here outside in an
elementary school that I wanted to play just here at
the top. This was from a recent ice trad on
an elementary school where they grabbed the mother out of
the car as she's picking up her child.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Just so people know as they're watching this, at least
according to the reporting, I saw this woman that you'll
see here is a DACA recipient and they actually had
to release or so after she's there picking up to
pick up her kids from elementary school, something line up
many of us will be familiar with, and they follow her,
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they forcibly pull her out of the car. She's screaming
again right outside of this elementary school where her children
and other children are, And according to what I saw,
like I said, she had legal status, so they ended
up having to release her. So all of this, you know,
show of force with these dudes, most of them again
masked up, et cetera. And terrorizing an entire elementary school
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population for someone who in the end turns out has
legal status. And by the way, is mom like this
is not some violent criminal gang member, trender urragua whatever.
This is like a mom who's going about her life
trying to pick up her kids from school. And I
don't know what happened to those you know, those kids
when they're waiting for mom and Mom's just been snatched
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off the street by Trump's thugs.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
I think an important point in that Crystal is they
purport to be targeting people with some measure of intelligence,
and we've already seen that there's a surveillance apparatus being
built in order to target people. And this is a
just staggering, not shocking, but staggering a display of incompetence.
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When you are building these you are you're paying all
this money, taxpayer dollars to surveill and you're picking up
a DACA, uh, someone who is here with with legal
status and doing it like this is just I know
we're gonna talk about this later, but they are squandering
any uh, squandering certainly any like public opinion that was
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in their favor for sure at this point.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, Immigration officials.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Immigration attorneys that I've spoke to have said that this
this phenomenon of DACA people getting getting swept up is
is uh fairly widespread, and oftentimes, uh, they don't get
out very quickly. The administer, the administration is reinterpreting all
because immigration law is like extraordinarily complicated and based on
(29:01):
you know, decades of stitch together precedents, and you can
be in deportation proceedings but still have legal status and
then the uh, you know, the administration will say, well,
we reject this legal status, and there it all goes
back to these quotas that Steven Miller has put into place,
So they are basically just sweeping up as many brown
(29:21):
people as they can and then asking questions later and seeing,
you know who who they can kind of make the
deportation stick, and also who they can persuade to kind
of give up the fight, because you put them, you know,
you put them in these like deplorable conditions, and you
can end your suffering at any minute by saying, okay, fine,
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I will go back to El Salvador even though you
have a legal status and you can stay here, but
it could take you weeks or months or even years
they don't know. So a lot of people just give
up in the face of that raw power.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, and I think, I mean so I kind of
reject the idea that it's incompetence because I like, I
think this is all part of the plan of I mean,
it genuinely is like a mass terror campaign to scare
people into either leaving or.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
To chill descent.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I mean, we have increasing numbers of American citizens who
have been either injured or illegally detained, arrested by Ice,
held without the ability to make phone calls for hours,
if not days at a time. Of course, we saw
the apartment rate. It doesn't surprise me that Christy Nauman
saying we're going to double down on Chicago, because in
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my view, what they're also courting is some grand confrontation
that they can use in order to justify Trump invoke
in the Insurrection Act. And there's reporting to that regard.
They've gotten and they've gotten more. You know, the community
in Chicago is very upset, and so you have a
lot of activists who are you know, following Ice around
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and honking horns to let immigrants know that they're coming.
You know, the atmosphere appears I'm not there on the ground,
but appeers to be somewhat charged. And so I think
that they believe that Chicago is their best bet with
a democratic mayor and a democratic governor who may be
a presidential contender, to get this grand confrontation that they
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want to justify further consolidation of their power. And as
I said in invocation of the Insurrection Act, which would
mean that they could deploy National Guard much more readily,
and that the National Guard that's deployed would not be
subject to the limitations that they currently are. Namely, you know,
and DC we saw national Guard was mostly like kind
of assisting ice to the extent that they're you know,
(31:42):
sort of even colorably able to, but also just like
standing around and picking up trash. If you have the
Insurrection Act, then you no longer have those same restrictions
on what the National Guard can do. So I think that's,
you know, part of what's of what's going on here.
I covered, and I just think it's worth emphasizing. You've
already had people. You had one person who was shot
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and killed, an immigrant who was shot and killed by
federal agents in or around Chicago, and you had this
other woman that I covered on the show, who they
claimed had rammed them with her car and then brandished
a semi automatic weapon. At least the semi automatic weapon
part of that has already turned out to be just
a complete and utter fabrication.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
They shot her five.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Times, Okay, American citizen immigration activist, but American citizen she
Her lawyer now says that their body camera footage reveals
they actually ran into her. The agent in question who
shot her five times said do something, bitch, and then
jumped out of the car with his weapon and began firing.
So we already already we have incidents like this, and
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this is still very much in the early phases. One
thing that is noteworthy and somewhat hopeful, if I mean,
if it's enforced, if it's not overturned on appeal, etc.
There have been some significant limits put on the federal
government in Chicago, specifically some court rulings that have come down.
We just got one where they're saying, no, you can't
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at least temporarily for now, it's a temporary restraining order.
You cannot send the Texas National Guard Meal Team six
is not allowed to come into Chicago. They said, you know,
basically like it's ridiculous, there's no insurrection, and the judge
in their ruling said it on the content like it's
the exact opposite of what you're saying. Not only is
there not chaos and insurrection sufficient to justify this, but
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you are the ones trying to stoke the chaos, which
I think many reasonable people looking at the situation would
agree with, especially after we know that in Portland the governments,
the federal government's own internal assessment said that those protests
were quote unquote low energy before Trump came in and said, oh,
war ravaged Portland and we got to send it in
the National Guard and we got to do all of this.
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There was also another decision that may lead to the
release of high hundreds of the immigrants that they've detained
that says their in violation, the federal governments in violation
of a consent decree with regard to how they pick
up these immigrants and the way that they're using widespread
warrantless arrests of immigrants, which is illegal. And then you
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had also a decision that came down that was related
to their indiscriminate use of chemical weapons. We all saw
the priests who got shot in the head with a
pepper ball, or pastor or religious figure. I'm not sure
what his exact designation was. And we've also seen reports
about them pepper spray. They pepper sprayed the freaking Chicago
Police Department. They pepper sprayed outside of an elementary school
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so the kids couldn't go outside for recess. We've seen
activist journalists, anyone who's just there like recording, getting sprayed
directly in the face. And so there was also a
decision that came down that was like, you can't do that.
You can't just spray you know, journalists and activists, you're
violating their First Amendment rights by using these riot control
weapons in such a widespread and careless manner.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Well, and I just want to say the because I
don't disagree that what you just laid out, there's a
broader effort to chill.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
The like the any migrants.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Who may be here, to encourage what they call sealth deportation.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Like I don't, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
The incompetence, to me reminds me a lot of the
reason I invoked that description is because it reminds me
of what happened with mat mu Khalil and Ramisa os
Turk where they're relying on like what Canary mission and
they get these like lists of people who are apparently
support giving materials, support to terrorists and then just to
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UH in Chicago may be literal but metaphorically shoot first,
asked questions later. And I do think that's strategic. I
think they're they're sort of like that that's the strategy.
I just think that strategy is like politically morally ridiculous,
and so that's the where the incompetence came. Like that's
where I was using that description because it's like I'm
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saying this as a conservative again.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I know we're going to talk about this, but like.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
I'm watching all of this happen, and I'm like that
they think they have this mandate, they think they have
the wind at their back, all of this political capital,
and they don't because what they're doing is absurd, and
so it's just like it's so stupid all around.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
I think that leads nicely to this next clip where
it seems like, yeah, most people are kind of aware
of what the government is trying to do with all this.
Let's take a listen to our favorite. I guess he's
a priest. Now did he converts?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Wondering what is going on with that too?
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Yeah, this is he doing a Russell Brand moment here.
We'll have to see you. We'll have to look into
that later. But let's take a listen to Rogan here
on these idea of sets.
Speaker 13 (36:47):
Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it
looks is horrific when you're just arresting people in front
of their kids and just normal regular people that have
been here for twenty years. Yeah that everybody has a heart.
Can't get along with that. Now, everybody who has a
heart sees that and go, that can't be right. They
can't be right. They can't be the only way to
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do this right because you have to think, look, yeah,
we have to have a border. Yes it should have
been secure. Yes they should make sure you know who
everybody is before they get in. But when people been
here for twenty years, like, come on, come on, that's crazy. Yeah,
let's find a way. If they've been productive members of
society for twenty years, no criminal record, they worked the
(37:31):
entire time, they paid taxes, find them a pathway to citizenship.
Find a way where you can do this thing that
you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel
members from getting across the border with drugs that kill
one hundred thousand people a year. Okay, but also have
a fucking heart, because if you don't, you're not gonna
(37:52):
get anybody on your side if you're doing this stuff, publicly,
throwing women into the ground, handcuffing people just for exist
on the wrong side of the dirt.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Yeah, not a criminal.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Not.
Speaker 13 (38:03):
The only crime they ever committed was coming over here
as a kid. Yeah, they probably didn't even know what
the fuck was going on.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
Yeah, you know, a lot of kids got snuck across
when they were already born in Mexico and they've grown
up their entire life in America. They can't even speak Spanish.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
Well, I mean, part of that is where dude once
pasted the citizenship for millions and millions of people. But
I will set that aside and say he has had
that is a perception that most average Norman Americans are
going to have, and they're not wrong to have that
perception either.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
And Zach Bryan, I think we have this who he's
been on Rogan.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
I think he's like just again normy veteran super popular
with young like white dudes. I like Zach Bryan. I
think he's pretty good. And he has this new snippet
of a song. He previewed one of his new songs
and it's about like ice banging down your door. And
John Rich from Big and Rich called for him to
(38:57):
be Dixie Chicks and said, like bud Light should sponsors
tour or something like that.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Uh, it's just like again.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
There's there's always this saw someone say, you know, what
a shock that liberals are getting beer, country music and
football in the national divorce.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
But this is the thing.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
There's the right was always criticizing the left for being
in bubbles, and I think we all know that that's true.
But now the right has the reigns of power, and
that's they're putting themselves. They're ensconsin themselves in this thick
bubble now too. By saying anybody who disagrees with us
is a lib. Anybody who disagrees with us uh is
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basically like pro kamala, And that just means you tune
out all of the like just well intentioned feedback that
you're getting when people see clips like the one that
we just played on the show, and you have influencers
following Christy Gnome around acting like this is some generational
political genius, like this is this entire astro plan is
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some generational political historic stroke of genius, and they're just
isolating themselves from like normy people who are looking at
us and being like this is is not. Of course,
there are some people who say this is exactly what
I voted for, but that's definitely not most of the country,
and so they're they're isolated, I think from all of that.
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Let me read this lyric for a sec from Zach Bryan,
one of the biggest musicians on the planet. It says
his lyric is I heard the cops came cocky mfs,
ain't they Ice is gonna come bust down your door,
try and build a house. No one builds no more.
But I got a telephone. Kids are all scared and
all alone. Then a response from the DHS stick to
(40:41):
pink skies. Dude, says Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary
Tricia McLaughlin in a response, So yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I hate these people so much.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
It does feel like they're pushing it too far, Like yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And Brian, I'm gonna ask you that. I actually want
to ask both of you guys this. I'll all three
of you this because Sager and I have been like
having a little bit of a debate about whether they
think this is they genuinely believe this is politically advantageous
for them, or whether they don't care because they're not
that interested in whether they're going to have to face
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voters and they don't think it's going to be that
consequential whether they have to face voters. I did note
dominion voting got sold to some like Republicans, stop the
steal apparatic, So that's a little ominous. Got to look
into that more to find out what that means. But
I mean that is that is my concern is that
as much as they are in a bubble, and I
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think they are in a bubble, that they it's not
they're not doing these things because they think they're popular.
They're doing it because they want a one party state.
They're doing it because they're really going for it and
trying to consolidate power so that future elections are more
or less meaningless. Now Sager disagrees with that. He thinks
they genuinely believe but this is like based and popular
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and that this is a good political trajectory for them.
So I'm curious what you guys, you know, what you
guys thoughts are.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
On that I'll just take super quickly.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
I agree with Sarger, like we obviously know some of
the players in this personally, and they did. My take
on this is like pretty familiar. They genuinely think that
this is popular. Now, there may be some people in
the mix, like Stephen Miller, who I don't really know personally,
who maybe it's a combination of both, Like they think
it's super popular and based, and they also don't care
if it's not.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
But a lot of them like genuinely think.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
That this is the will of the American people and
that normal people see these videos and are like I
had to happen at some point, too bad.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Yeah, my take, I'm curious if this records with what
Emily thinks.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
That Stephen Miller is a hardcore.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Ideologue, Like he has a worldview, he has the power,
he has the time in power, and he's going to
execute it. And he's he's also like a disturbingly young guy,
like he's going to be around for a very very
long time, and who knows if he ends up staffing
like every coming Republican administration, but that he thinks that
(43:19):
he can basically create new realities by reshaping the country,
and that old idea is about, you know, how this
particular issue polls week to week or will be out
the window because he's so thoroughly revolutionizing what's happening inside
the United States, and it's driven by this like end
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goal ideology that is as extremely.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
What is that end goal ideology? What are the realities
that he thinks he's changing?
Speaker 11 (43:48):
Well?
Speaker 6 (43:48):
As Trump as Trump said it, he said, if Steven
Miller had his way, there'd be one hundred million people
in this country and they'd all look like Steven Miller.
Like that's that's what Donald Trump said about Stephen.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
This one hundred million number has been coming up a
lot and memes lately. The Department of Homeland Security has
been doing these like fan cams where they're like these
edits where it's like America if there was only one
hundred million people in it and it's and it's just
all white people frolicking around.
Speaker 11 (44:16):
They like use old like nineties TV.
Speaker 8 (44:19):
Yeah, they use like old nineties TV shows where the
cast is all white and stuff. It's like, oh, like
every show will be like Friends again, or it's just
white people. I don't know that that's This one hundred
million number is starting to really come up.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah, I mean maybe they.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Started in twenty twenty four. I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (44:39):
When they came into office in twenty twenty five, the
Biden administration had just brought in what like eight to
ten million people in the period of three years who
had precarious legal situations. Some of them and this is
like the healthcare debate with the shutdowns. Some of them
are perfectly here legally because Biden expanded the pathways, and
that's true of many many people. Some of them are
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here illegally without documentation. And so they did have this
like big that there. Most of the country wanted some
solution to this procarity, mass procarity among all of these migrants.
They wanted the border close. The Trump administration has basically
closed the border, but they took that and have now
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said it's like permission to expand this police state and
to like militarize the operation in what like Elgin, Illinois,
as I think we talked about last week, a suburb
of Chicago, and these are very very different things, not
just politically but also morally, and the idea that they
have permission to like do helicopter immigration enforcement again politically
(45:46):
and morally in Elgin, it's just I mean, like and.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
To detain American citizens. All these are these are very very.
Speaker 7 (45:54):
Different things, and they don't seem to I think they
they genuinely are not aware of that, because they've put
them in this like trench mentality where it's like you're
with us or you're against us completely and you're with
the trende ragua cartel.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
It's just yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Well, and I think Ryan's point is important one because
there may be people in the Trump administration that think
this is politically beneficial. And then but the person who
really matters the most, I would say at this point
is actually Steven Miller, because he certainly seems to be
running the show. And so you know, my sense is
the same as Ryan's that and I don't think anyone
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would disagree. This is a die hard ideologue who does
not believe in America as a diverse society. He doesn't
believe in the idea of a melting pot. He believes
in at a blood and soil white et no state,
and he wants to make it so that the people
he doesn't count as American don't get to have a
say in the future of the country. So whether that's
(46:56):
you know, through you know, the the terror campaign that
you know both effectuates deportations but also effectuates a mass
exit of people who no longer feel comfortable in this
country because remember we now have the Supreme Court says, hey,
you can do Kavanaugh stops. You're allowed to just harass
people because they're brown, under a car washer or whatever.
So that plus and Griffin, maybe you can pull this
(47:20):
about the latest you know reporting on NSPM seven and
the way they're going after Act Blue and you know,
anything linked to George Soros whatsoever indivisible and pretending these
are part of some like Antifa terror network and targeting
them through the FBI, through the IRS, through the whole
(47:40):
of government. So his idea is basically, the people who
oppose me in the you know, black and brown people
that I don't consider to be quote unquote real Americans,
We're going to make it so they don't really have
a say, so they don't really count in the future.
And you know, all of these escalatory steps which are
intentional provocative, which every time you see these raids, they
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got camera guys fallen behind, so they can publish them,
so they can further inflame and advertise their you know,
fascist tactics, so that every time they do that, they
are courting this broader confrontation that will allow them to
grab even more power. And I just don't think it's
deniable at this point that that's the plan, because they're
already well along the plan. I mean they practically announce
(48:24):
it out loud. So that's what we're in the midst of.
And what I struggle with is is articulating both the
grave seriousness of that, where he truly you know, we
are already in a different country than we were before
Trump two point zero came into office, like we'd been
sliding in this struction, but now we are in a
different country than we were previously. That is a very
(48:47):
grave situation. And then also a bunch of these people
are like utterly clownish buffoons. You know, the National Guard
Meal Team six is like a perfect example of this,
or you know RFK up there like oh, you know, circumcision,
I'm dialing and autism whatever. So it's it can be
hard to wrap your hat around people who are idiots
and clowns, but who also are id logues and are
(49:10):
are very effectively implementing an extreme and radical plan to
turn this country into something that it was not previously.
Speaker 8 (49:21):
Yes, there's been a lot of crackdowns, and Trump actually
name check DSA as one of the groups that he
is going to be looking to as well. And yet
it does seem like they are trying to define what
Antifa means and who Antifa is still, which I think
leads us perfectly to our final segment.
Speaker 11 (49:39):
We want to get on the public half here.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
We should.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
I was gonna say, we should get some like like
Juli or ended Note to come on and debate Antifa.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
We'll, we'll, we'll set.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Something like that.
Speaker 11 (49:50):
Let's get it. That sounds like an after party booking.
I love it. Let's do it. Let's get let's get
him on here. All right.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
Well, I think this leads us perfectly to our last segment.
Really important here about Jesse Waters and Antifa. Yes, Crystal,
I'm gonna pull this up if you can break it down.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, So do you have these?
Speaker 2 (50:09):
So he's he's accused Jesse Waters of he he likes
to use these masked guests, and so we had one here.
The most recent is like some Antifa guy. That's the
one on top who looks remarkably similar to a previous
mass guests who he had who was supposedly like a
Mexican cartel member or something like that.
Speaker 11 (50:31):
Members.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It looks remarkably similar to this guy on the bottom
who I don't know. Was this guy supposed to be
like Hamas or something like that.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
You know, it's like it's.
Speaker 7 (50:42):
Always sunny, the gang goes jihad.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
That's what this looks like.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
That bottom one.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
It looks like almost like a filter that not even
like real things that anyway, people are noticing that this
character appears to be the same character if you listen
to them, they sound similar, they have the same mannerisms.
People are speculating that it might be this, you know,
this Robert O'Neil guy. I don't know if that's true.
They actually denied it. They Fox News did deny that
it was Robert O'Neill.
Speaker 11 (51:06):
Nevertheless, we're not claiming that either on the show.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
It doesn't look like him, yes, but yeah no, we're
not claiming that.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Oh I really I do think it looks like him.
Speaker 8 (51:14):
Crystal, We're not claiming it. We don't know. We this
is all as far as we know on the record.
These are all different guys. Let's take a quick listen
to them.
Speaker 14 (51:22):
So recruiting, working with youth, getting uh, you know, and
just going out spitting out the message, and the thing
is too you know a lot of people get into
it because that.
Speaker 15 (51:33):
I kind of laugh when I saw two things. I
saw that he had allegedly stated that one of his
motives or reasons was to support Black Lives matter at.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
About ninth grade or so.
Speaker 14 (51:49):
Get on a few years growing up in Seattle, we
had those the riots in ninety nine.
Speaker 8 (51:55):
All right, So those are all the different gentlemen that
Jesse has had on the show recently.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
People really called him riots.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
Don't don't.
Speaker 8 (52:08):
Don't tell me, uh that that looks similar. So Crystal,
I was able to.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, I was able to get I did a little
bit of you know, of investigative journalism here, guys, and
I wanted to talk to someone who's known Jesse for
a long time, who could speak to his character and
whether or not he would be the sort of person
who would you know, put the same guy on TV
(52:34):
three times in three different bandanas and claim he was
totally different people and you know, try to sell this
to the public.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
So you go ahead, you.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
Pre taped, you pre taped this, and Ryan and I
am not. We have not seen this.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
We're you told us about it. We're excited.
Speaker 11 (52:51):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, So so let's go ahead, Griffin, if you can
pull up this interview I was able to get with
Jesse Waters frat brother, who also happens now very well
relevantly to be the Grand Dragon of the ANTIFA Global
g Hot Network and also serves as Gavin Newsom's comms director.
So a lot that he brings to the table here,
quite a noteworthy guest, Griffin, if you could go ahead
(53:14):
and play this joining us now we have Jesse Waters,
former frat brother. He now serves as Grand Dragon for
the ANTIFA Global g HOD Network and also as Gavin
Nussm's comms director. From an own, undisclosed location for the
purposes of this interview, we'll call you, let's say, Lyle.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (53:33):
Lyle, Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, of course, anything you could tell us about Jesse,
his character, what he was like when you knew him in.
Speaker 16 (53:41):
College, Yeah, he was a terrible guy, chronic liar, smelled
really bad, he's smug, full of himself. Me and him
actually played Division ie botchie ball together, and the team
had a nickname for him. We called him Tadpole because
when we saw him in the shower, me and the
guys were a damn that guy's hung like a tadpole.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Wow. That's uh, that's a lot of information.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
That's That's maybe more than what I was really looking for,
But I appreciate that the disclosure. Anything that stood out
to you about him, anything that was like odd or
weird that he did in college that might inform our
understanding of who he is today.
Speaker 16 (54:20):
Well, I mean, there was that time he cheated on
his girlfriend with Bill O'Reilly. That's how he got the
spot on the show. They used to rub falafels all
over each other. O'reiley was into that.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Hmm, yeah, I've heard that actually before.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I had heard something about that previously, So that does
add up with some of the information that's already publicly
on the record. I guess my final question for you,
Lyle is just what do you think of this new
scandal that he's embroiled in. He stands accused of having
phony people come on the show pretend to be people
that they are not. Whatsoever. You know, what do you
(54:56):
think of the type of person who would do such
a thing.
Speaker 16 (54:59):
I'm that's it's that's disgusting, frankly. I mean I think
it should probably it should be at least a mistivean
it should probably be a felony, if you ask me,
I think probably at least twenty years in prison if
you do something like that.
Speaker 11 (55:11):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah, pretty disgusting. I'd be disgusting. I all agree with that.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
All right, Well, thank you for that information, while and
good good luck with the with the terror network. I
hope you hope you you know, do well there of
a the authorities or whatever you're up to.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Thanks Greving.
Speaker 8 (55:31):
Okay, I have to say, as the producer, you know
I haven't fact checked any of this.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
Well, that was a very risky interview because if there
are not many comms people for Gavin newsom so, I
think that our viewers are probably going to be able
to narrow down the identity. Do not docs of that,
do not do not docs? Uh, because you know, this
is somebody who took a personal risk to come out
and in the public interest to reveal what he knows.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
So yeah, I would discourage people lived has lived experience.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah, yes, it was brave.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
But I told Lyle, I told Lyle how brave it
was of him to come toward in that way.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
Used a voice distorder.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
I know, he used like an AI voice distorder to
make him sound like somebody were all familiar with.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
That was very close, just to throw.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
People off, just to throw people off the scent, you know.
Speaker 7 (56:28):
But you know what, it is important for responsible journalists
to vet their sources and to to vet the people
who are coming on the air to shed some light
on these important questions about public affairs. And so that
was crystal. I think that was excellent. Maybe Nobel Peace
(56:49):
price worthy. Yeah, I mean at least.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I spent a lot of time with this individual before
the interview. I can tell a lot, like an extraordinary
amount of time with this individual before then. I certainly
did my homework. I mean I would, Yeah, absolutely, I would.
Speaker 5 (57:08):
I would.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
I trust him on that level. That's how that's how
did you.
Speaker 5 (57:12):
Equipment? Do you think you would let him sure your
streaming equipment?
Speaker 7 (57:15):
Like could you ever show like a microphone, has beautiful eyes, share.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
My streaming equipment later.
Speaker 8 (57:22):
He is a he has a striking beautiful eyes. And
I did reach out to Jesse Waters a request for
comment on the tadpole issue. They responded saying that he
is a grower, not a shower, so I think in general,
so I just wanted to say we covered all of
our bases here. But again, if there are lawsuits, I
(57:44):
was not involved with the segment anyways, Thank you did
the Grand Dragon, Gavin Newso watch out.
Speaker 11 (57:54):
You can't be this affiliated with these types of characters.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, good advice.
Speaker 5 (58:00):
Good a beautiful, beautiful journalism.
Speaker 8 (58:02):
Well, on that note, after that Pultzer winning piece of
journal journalism, we're gonna move on to the second half
of the show. We'll be doing other other segments with
the Grand Dragon. So Breakingpoints dot Com if you want
to see that, if you want to be like if
you journalists, if you want to support.
Speaker 11 (58:21):
More interviews like that, Breakingpoints dot.
Speaker 8 (58:24):
Com, we can do that once a week if we
want to.
Speaker 11 (58:29):
Heah, that guy's available.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
That's right, right's not the only one out here with sources,
you know, doing hard protection.
Speaker 11 (58:38):
Okay, and we'll see you all in that second half
in just a second
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