October 13, 2025 • 57 mins
Krystal and Emily discuss Trump demands Bibi pardon, Laura Loomer crashes out, Peter Thiel's antichrist obsession.
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President Donald Trump is now on his way to Egypt
after delivering what I think could only be described in
tone as a triumphant speech at the Knesset in Israel
this morning, hailing a new dawn in the Middle East.
Let's go ahead and roll this first clip of Donald
Trump's speech, during which he he needled Netanyahu and his
wife's there at Netanyaho a little bit for going over
(00:56):
what Trump expected the length of their speeches would be,
and said he was going to be late to Egypt,
but otherwise was lavishing praise on Nata Yahu and let's
go ahead enroll, basically taking a victory lap on the
peace deal. The hostages, of course, living hostages have been returned.
Trump was greeted with a lot of cheers by people
(01:18):
even who had been protesting Nata Naho in Israel, so
he was definitely feeling himself.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
This is D zero B.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
That they also convey. My tremendous appreciation for all of
the nations of the Arab and Muslim world that came
together to press Samas to set the hostages free and
to send them home.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
We had a lot of help.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
We had a lot of help from a lot of
people that you wouldn't suspect, and I want to thank
them very much for that. It's an incredible triumph for
Israel in the world to have all of these nations
working together as partners in peace. And it's pretty unusual
for you to see that, but it happened in this case.
This was a very unusual point in time, the brilliant
(02:03):
point in time. Generations from now, this will be remembered
as the moment that everything began to change and change
very much for the better. Like the USA right now,
it will be the Golden Age of Israel and the
Golden Age of the Middle East.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's going to work together, okay.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So he also said that Marco Rubio would go down
as the greatest Secretary of State in history. As we
mentioned earlier, and one of the points people have made
throughout the war the last two years is that Natanyahu's
incentive to end the war hinged, at least in some
small part on charges against him. Donald Trump, waydon on
(02:45):
that as well. Let's go ahead and roll this clip.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I have an idea, mister President. Why don't you give
him a pardon? By the way, there was not in
the speeches you probably know, but I happened to like
this gentleman right over here, and it just seems to
make so much sense, you know, whether we like it
(03:09):
or not, this has been one of the greatest wartime presidents.
This is what been one of the greatest wartime presidents.
And Cigars and Champagne, who the hell cares the problem?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So Trump is on out now, on his way to
Egypt for a ceremony that Crystal and Soccer will surely
cover tomorrow with Arab leaders. But before Crystal we get
to that, I just want to or get to what's
happened in Gaza since I just want to mention this
quote from Steve Bannon this morning. He said the President,
reacting to the speech, had his game face on when
he showed up beat, clearly was icy. This is a
(03:45):
catastrophic defeat for the Israel First crowd and Tel Aviv Levin.
I think he's referring to Mark Livin there. I'm sure
they're banging their heads on the wall. It's a catastrophic
defeat because they overreached. They pushed this greater Israel project
and it came crashing down around them. Now, I have
seen a dynamic like that between Trump and netagna Who before,
where you can tell that in his like Trump in
(04:07):
way he's in public trying to needle Netagna who. I
think there was a little bit of that with the
length of the speech this morning. But I actually, Crystal,
don't see that Trump feels this is a catastrophic defeat
for the quote Israel First crowd in Tel Aviv Levin.
I feel like he's of the impression that everyone is
really happy with him.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Yeah, that's definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I mean, the perception he got at Kanessa was praiseworthy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yes, Jeremy Scahill tweeted, the scene in the Kanesse with
Trump is like watching the inverse of a war crimes tribunal.
The leaders and facilitators of the Gaza genocide are congratulating
each other and uplauding their crimes. And I think that's
well said. And look, there's so much to say about this.
Number one, this deal was always available always. All it
took was an American president, whether it was Biden or Trump,
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saying we're done, You're done, We're done.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
This is ending.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Very similar jail has been on the table from Hamas
from the early phases of the So let's be clear
about what has been done to these people over two
years time, and will show you the homes that they're
returning to, which in many cases are just simply rubble.
The amount of death and destruction and disease and horror
that has been enabled now by two successive and American
(05:16):
administrations is something that none of us should ever forgive.
And there remain a lot of questions about what exactly
happens going forward, because it's very possible that we look
back on this speech as a sort of mission accomplished
moment for Trump, he will have to again assert himself.
In order for anything for the ceasefire just to be maintained,
(05:39):
you already have net Yahu and the President of Israel
indicating that they're not done, that they want to go
back in once they've gotten their hostages, they're captives back.
So just to maintain the ceasefire is going to continue
to take presidential will, and certainly any sort of rebuilding, reconstruction,
anything that even approaches looking like peace or justice will
(06:01):
require intensive attention from this precedent, and the initial you know,
twenty or twenty two point plan or whatever it is
that he laid out which envisioned him running aboard alongside
Tony Blair, does not even come close to approximating anything
like justice or peace, which is what is required in
order to actually have coexistence, you know, and an end
(06:24):
to the cycle of violence that has gone on for
years and years and years. We are a long long
way away from that. But you know, thank God that
the people in Palestine, that people in Gaza are today
able to able to live, able to eat, able to
survive onto those next battles. I think, you know, we
have to live in that duality of like this is
(06:45):
a horrible deal there is nothing good that is on
the table for Gaza coming forward. President Trump certainly doesn't
care about their humanity, and also that it is such
it's just you know, watching these little kids with joy
on their face that they're able to, you know, get
get some food and be able to go back to
whatever remains of where they're from. You know, it's been
(07:08):
I think very it has been a lot emotionally.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I mean, these videos that we're about sure everyone are
like incredible in a lot of different ways, and incredible
you look at the just utter abject devastation, and then
incredible when you look at people immediately rebuilding.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
When you look at people.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The resilience is like I can't even imagine it, can
imagine it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I mean, it's just yeah, it's It's one of the
things I've seen that just one of those moments that
makes you realize how siloed we are and like living
in different universes you are. It's that like I've seen
some people on the right saying, why are none of
the ceasefire now? Why isn't of the ceasefire now? Crowd
celebrating the end of the war, And then there's two things.
(07:53):
On the one hand, I actually have seen a lot
of people celebrating how beautiful it is is to see
videos coming out of Gaza where people realize that they're
not under fire literally every single day. I've seen plenty
of that. So it's just it's there, it's obviously there.
And on the other hand, it's like, well, how much
of that can you do? And there are also so
(08:14):
many trip wires in this potential peace plan that is
so obviously so so fragile. So there's two things happening
right there. But also it's impossible, it's impossible, it would
be impossible for anyone not to watch these kids dancing
and celebrating realizing that they're not literally having to try
(08:36):
to just survive every single day anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, And I think the other piece of that is
like it feels very hard to celebrate something when you
see people returning to just rubble, you know, when you
know that we'll cover this the one you know, wastewater
treatment plan, and Gaza City has been destroyed, so there's
just like no you know, no sanitation, no civilian infrastructure,
no schools, no mosques, the hospitals have been hit. There's
(09:01):
it's hard to hard to celebrate, you know, two years
of utter destruction, horror, and the you know the knowledge
that lives are going to continue to be difficult, even
as we are definitely relieved that the immediate you know,
assault is at least by and large over, at least
for now.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Let's go and take a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Look at some of these images, and I think that'll
encapsulate better than my words could what this actually looks like.
If we can put this up on the screen, guys,
and I'll explain, you can see. These are people, you know,
returning to what remains and along the road, and this
is what it looks like, you know, this is what remains.
It's just an unbelievable scene of devastation. And if you're
(09:44):
still telling me like this was self defense that Hamas
was in all of these buildings, residential buildings, you know, markets, bakeries, everything,
then I don't know. You're you're insane if you still
are believing that line. And here we've got body bags
lined up. This is an inspirational one. Sky returns to
his bomb down apartment and sets to work right away
(10:08):
putting it back together. This woman, same thing, clearing out
the rubble, trying to reclaim some sense of you know,
normal life and dignity, and that's what I was saying,
just like the amount of resilience. These are some absolutely
extraordinary people. You can see the earth movers here cleaning
out the rubble, trying to make the roads more you know,
accessible for people. Here we have Palestinian twins who are reunited,
(10:34):
who are just embracing each other, tearfully, hugging, just overjoyed
to be able to see each other again. There was
a video we didn't include in the montage, but one
that really particularly got me because I love cats. A
little boy holding his little kitty, Simba, who happens to
look exactly like my cat Salem. That many will I
thought you will have seen you. I thought that, yeah,
(10:55):
big boy, he was a big boy like Salem. And
he's holding and he's like, Simba and I are going
to get to go back and we're going to get
to play together and like just you know, live life.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
And it's what we have robbed.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, we have robbed two years of the children
who managed to survive. We have robbed them of two
years of their childhood. I mean just endless trauma and
suffering and you know, lack of food and lack of
medical care, the largest amputee population of children in the world.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
You know, the family members that have been lost.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You cannot possibly imagine what these little kids have been through,
what they have seen and experienced, things that most of us,
that no human should ever have to and that most
of us will never see in an entire lifetime.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
The kids, it's just normal kid stuff, like playing with
a cat, being excited to play with a cat because
you don't have to worry about just the incredible you know.
This is the other thing is like these kids, if
you're five years old, I mean, so much of your
life has been consumed in these formative years by this
is all, you know, raging war.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, it's all you know. This is a generation.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And the very reason that some people in the Israeli
far right and the American far right are unhappy with
this deal is the very reason that continuing the war
all along without other plans was, I mean, it just
the idea that Hamas has been eradicated. It's the exact
same reason why the Israeli far right is upset about
(12:25):
the deal, because they're like, well, Hamas will just reconstitute
and well, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Some of us have been saying from the beginning, yep,
and these people was never a goal that was achievable
and would just be used for in miserating the entire population.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
And none of these so these kids, none of whom
did anything wrong. They're five, they're six. They now.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Have a situation where Hamas is probably in the long
term going to be Hamas or whatever comes after Hamas
is going to be more powerful.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And these little kids grow up in that world.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Not only do they grow up in the world where
they were raised in this uh these years of abject destruction,
literal rubble and starvation, but then their future is actually
probably darker in the long run. I just don't see
any other way. I mean, I'm listen, I think I'm
really hopeful. I think this is the best version of
It's probably well Tony Blair aside, but like just actually
(13:22):
having the framework of a deal. I don't think Joe
Biden could have done it. I don't think Kamala Harris
could have done it. I don't love they could have well,
they could have done a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It was not hard to achieve. What change is the politics? Yeah,
I genuinely believe, I don't I don't even think it
was a politics Ryan. Ryan said this, and I think
this is right. Like Israel bombed Trump's money and they
bombed guitar and the you know, they came to Trump
and were like, these people are out of control, like
(13:52):
you are invested, like you are making money here and
they're bombing that.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
And they failed.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
They were trying to kill the Palace Sian negotiators and
they failed. So Israel was trying to make it impossible to,
you know, have any sort of negotiation in the near term.
Now there would have been new negotiators and down the line,
et cetera, et cetera. But that's what they were trying
to achieve. They failed to achieve that, and they pissed
off Trump by threatening what he cares about most, which
(14:19):
is his money. And I think that's what changed the dynamics.
But it was not hard to achieve this deal. All
he had to do was decide no, you're done, and
you know, and that's that's the risk is there is
no doubt. We could put D three up on the screen,
like there's no doubt. Nan Yahu has said that they
he says, we've achieved tremendous victories.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
The campaign is not over.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Part of our enemies are trying to recover, like when
they see Hamas back in operation, which is already starting
to happen. He's going to be making a push for,
you know, to break the ceasefire and to pull out
of this deal and to go forward with the new
military operation. The president of Israel has said, we got
to go in and blow up the tunnels. Blowing up
the tunnels has always been used to like murder a
(15:01):
bunch of civilians. So they're going to be pushing, and
it will require Trump to hold firm and say no,
I said the war's over, You're not doing this. I'm
not supporting it. We're done here. That's what will be required.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And again, like for business reasons, I actually think and
think it gives me no pleasure to say, but for
business reasons, I actually think there's an argument that Trump
is more likely to hold firm than another American politician would.
And again I don't think that's the ideal situation at all.
But I do think that Trump sending his son in
law who has all kinds of business interests in the region,
(15:34):
Steve Whitkoff, who previously has done all kinds of business
deals in the region. His friend basically plucked out of
New York real estate world and put into these deals.
I mean, I think that's it's a That is the
way Trump realized a lot of the Arab world is
going to trust your deals.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That's the best hope.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The best hope, right.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Is that he sees it in his financial interest because
they do maintain the deal.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And in some respects like they had been screwed by
like neoliberal Western deal making over the last half century.
So like there's all kinds of stuff that's going on here.
But all that is to say, as long as the
war is over right now and these kids are going
back to their lives, I mean, yes, that's great, that's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
It's just the long term situation.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I don't know anybody other than maybe Trump and his
closest deputies who feel a lot better about hopeful about
that situation.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Because I mean, maybe I'm hopeful.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I like, that's the best we can have, is hope
and optimism in any situation. Of course, it's just hard
because it does look like how masses already reconstituting, and
long term solution is elusive.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Some more good news, though, we can put D four
up on the screen. GHF, the guys that quote unquote
Humanitarian Foundation done wrapped up operations. This is one of
those quote unquote AID sites that have been constructed with
those you know, big earthen mounds, and you know, these
were the sites of outside of these sites, these regular
(17:04):
AID massacres were occurring. Some Palestinian journalists have gone in
and found some of the signs of that, you know,
the spent shells and whatnot outside of these AID sites.
And there's a tacit admission in here that number one
JHF was never necessary. Number two it was in fact
this was obviously all of us, but it was in
(17:25):
fact Israel that was blocking aid from coming in. And
now you have you know, UN trucks and additional AID
trucks beginning to flow into the Gaza strip. There is
an overwhelming need for all sorts of things, but you know,
you continue to have I actually just saw yesterday one
of the girls that had become known in a lot
(17:46):
of Western media's twelve year old girl just died of starvation.
So the need continues because once your body gets to
that point, you require not just food of any sort,
but you require specific you know, specialized medical care and
nutritional supplements, and so hopefully some of that is coming
in as well. But you know, clearly it was always
(18:08):
it was always Israel blocking the amount of aid that
needed to come in from coming in. And now that
those you know, those blocks are lifting or easing, a
lot more aid is flowing in, which is another really
great thing to see. Let me put this next piece up.
I'm not sure where this stands right now.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
D five. There were early.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Indications that these two Palestinian doctors were not going to
be released. Then I saw some indications that there were
still negotiations going on and maybe they were going to
be released, So that one is still a question mark
for us to keep an eye on. D six is
what I referenced before. This is President Israel Katz saying
(18:47):
Israel's great challenge after the phase of returning the hostages
will be the destruction of all of Tamas's terra tunnels
in Gaza, directly by the IDF and through the international
mechanism to be established under the leadership and supervision of
the US. Primary significance of implementing the agreed upon principle
of demilitarizing Gaza neutralizing hamas of its weapons. I've instructed
the idea of to prepare for carrying out that mission, so,
(19:09):
you know, using this as a way to say, oh, well,
we have to continue to operate because we have to
destroy these terror tunnels. Look, you guys saw the images
of Gaza at this point. If you didn't get the frickin'
tunnels at this point, I don't know what you've been doing,
because there is like nothing left in the Gaza strip.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
And then great reporting here.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
From drop site about how on their way out, Israeli
soldiers made a point of torching food homes. They also
torched a critical sewage treatment plant, the last remaining really
even semi functional wastewater treatment plant in Gaza City, which
of course was the main city inside of Gaza.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
We've got a bunch of images of this.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And this was you know, they they were doing this,
they were celebrating it, they were posting it, they were
leaving these like you know, fake Airbnb type reviews, and
here they are torching that wastewater treatment facility, which obviously
is really critically important for maintaining the sanitation and health
of the population there. So, you know, not content with
(20:14):
what they'd already done. They had to torch everything they
could on their their way out as well. And then
last piece, let me go ahead and put D eight up.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
On the screen.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
So there are these armed gangs that were backed by Israel.
Isis linked by the way, armed Palestinian gangs that were
backed by Israel, and you know, now the Israel's like
basically abandon them to their fate. And you won't be
surprised that there's a lot of uh Hamas taking retribution
(20:44):
on them for their collaboration with the with the enemy
and the context of this genocide. There's also some indications
that those armed gangs continue to operate and continue to
you know, kill and harm Palestinians, So there's going to
be this you know, low level fighting. Actually Trump was
asked about this, about some of these images of Hamas
(21:05):
like you know, uh settling scores with these armed gangs
and whatever, and he's like, yeah, they're allowed to do
it for a time basically.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So he's just like what we were saying earlier, like
it's it's it's amazing to watch people go home and
realize that they're not in survival mode every single day.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
To except that people aren't right now.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
As you mentioned, some people still are at risk of starvation,
but to the extpt that you know, people are seeing
some light at the end of the tunnel. It's completely understandable,
but it's hard to have long term hope. Last thing
I will say, Crystal is my god, the hostage family
is what they've been through the last two years, it's
just unthinkable.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So hopefully some relief for them.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think I forget the exact number, but you know,
mostly we're talking about bodies that have have been returned.
So just hopefully the this disclosure of a chapter and
relief for all of the suffering. Yeah, those people have
been through. I mean, and they've been We've covered them
a number of times. They've been really brave to stand
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up politically and the war torn or in the middle
of wartime to the leader of the country under certain circumstances.
So it's just been unimaginable couple of years for the
hostage families.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it was interesting at the rally that Witcoff and
Jared Kushner spoke at First of all, Kushner was like,
you you met the moment with what do you say?
It was incredible and your values and blah blah blah,
and it's meanwhile, we're looking at the pictures of the
rubble Witcoff tried to talk upout Nanya Who and couldn't
get his words out because Nannia Who was getting booed
(22:46):
so aggressively by.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
The audience there. I wanted to update.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Ryan just posted that the one of those doctors that
I mentioned before is on the list of the hostages
to be released by the israel The Palestinian hostage is
to be released by the Israelis. And then one final note,
one of the individuals killed by those Isis linked Israeli
backed gangs was a notable journalist who. Yeah, I mean,
(23:12):
it's just so heartbreaking, Salad Jeff Frowy. Im sure I'm
butchering that name. I'm sorry, guys, but he was kidnapped
by gunman working with the Israeli army and so he
made it through all of these two years of genocide
only to be killed by these Israeli backed gangs at
the end.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Such a just a mess, obviously, and just the victory
lap juxtaposed with.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
All of that. Yeah, it's a site, it's.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
A lot, Chris.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So let's talk about cutter because Donald Trump is headed
to literally as we take this, he's headed to Egypt.
He is meeting with Arab leaders, and I would imagine
if he talks the pressed, this question might come up
about what's exactly going on with the Katari air base.
We're going to break down whether or not there is
a Katari air base. Let's go ahead and roll E one.
(24:08):
This is the original announcement from Secretary of War, which,
by the way, we use Secretary of War heag Seth's
preferred moniker here because Crystal, I think Secretary of Wars
are much more honest actual label than Secretary of Defense.
It is.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I don't want to miss cabinet label them. I
guess I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You don't want a dead cabinet name. Yes, it's a futant.
I do you think it's more honest? So here we go.
This is Pete Hegseth making the original announcement.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
I'm also proud that today we're announcing or signing a
letter of acceptance to build a Katari Emiri Air Force
Facility at the Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho. Location
will be host a contingent of Katari f fifteen's and
pilots to enhance our combined training, increase lethality, interoperability. It's
(24:57):
just another example.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Of our partnership.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I hope, hope, you know your excellency that you can
count on us.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay, So then came a clarification tweet. This is E two.
We can put it up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Heigseeth then posted on Friday, the US military has a
long standing and actually he used the language quote important clarification.
The US military is a long standing partnership with Cutter,
including today's announced cooperation with F fifteen QA aircraft hower.
To be clear, Cutter will not have their own base
in the United States, nor anything like a base. We
(25:28):
control the existing base like we do with all partners.
And actually, I'm going to do something that we don't
do very often. But let's roll back the original clips
just to compare the language language.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Let's let you one again.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I'm also proud that today we're announcing or signing a
letter of acceptance to build a Katari Emeri Air Force
facility at the Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Location will be host a.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Contingent of Katari F fifteen's and pilots to enhance our
combined training, increase lethality, O operability. Is just another example
of our partnership. And I hope, hope you know, your
excellency that you can count on us.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Okay, So what he said, there is a Katari facility at.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
The air base, tataro Ami air Force facility at the
air base.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So he didn't say air base, but he said air
Force facility.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
At the air base.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, so it's like assistant regional manager versus assistance to
the regional manager. I suppose I'm read a little bit
from the Associated press coverage here. They say when Heikessill
announced Friday morning that the federal government had reached an
agreement with Cutter to build a facility at an air
Force base and Idaho social media posts began popping up online.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
But the facility being built at the Mountain Home Air
Force Base in Idaho isn't a separate base at all.
It is a group of buildings that will be built
to handle training and maintenance for Katari troops. And the
agreement with Cutter has been in the works for years.
So there's a little bit of additional context here. But
even in the additional context from the reporting. It says
it is a group of buildings that will be built
to handle training and maintenance for Katari troops. They say,
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in fact, on siting on site training agreements with allies
are common in the US. The Republic of Singapore squadron
have been hosted at the base in two thousand and eight.
German forces trained at the Holloman Air Force Base in
New Mexico for decades. New facilities to train F thirty
five fighter pilots were completed at Ebbing Air Force Base
in Arkansas last year. But again, Crystal, obviously this is cutter.
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It's different than Its completely different than Germany, It's different
than Singapore, different than all of that.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So, yeah, it's different for Trump because they give him
money and stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I was just gonna say, it's the timing of Hagseth
making that announcement that people are like, wait a second,
what's going on.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Well, also, I mean this may be another instance of
why Pete Hegseth has been relegated to like just lecturing
generals about being too fat and shaving their beards or whatever.
Because we covered earlier how apparently Rubio and Stephen Miller
are the ones who are actually really running the Department
of War policy at this point. So anyway, the fun
part of this was Laura Lumer crashing out, we can
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put E three up on the screen. She went on
like a multi dozen long tweet tirade about this before
the clarification. She says, never thought I'd see Republicans give
terror financing Muslims from Qatar a military based on US
soil so they can murder Americans. By the way, that
line from her, that was Trump's line back in the
first administration, which again shows you just how arbitrary like
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even the label of terror ultimately is.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
I mean, Siria is the perfect example of that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But in any case, she says, I don't think I'll
be voting in twenty twenty six. I cannot in good
conscience make any excuses for the harboring of Jihatis. This
is where I draw the line. We've got another one
here from Laura Lumer. We can put up what the
hell is going on? Why are we trying to train
more Muslims out of fly planes on US soil? Didn't
we already learn our lesson? Why are we encouraging more
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Islamic infiltration? Of our country by the funders of Lamas
and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is very bad for our
national security. Guitar is one of the largest funders of
Islamic terror. Now they're being rewarded by getting a Katari
Air Force base in Idaho.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
We're allowing the Islamic enemy to gain so much ground
in our country. I will never support this, and I
mean Lumur is just like brazenly outwardly, unapologetically Islamophobic, which
certainly comes out in this particular message on it.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I think she would actually describe herself.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Yeah, Oh, I don't think she would object to that characterization.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
No, no, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I don't actually I don't know. I'd have to look
it up, But I don't think that she would would
be my strong assumption. But yeah, I mean, so as
the Associated Press reports, this has been like they say,
it's been in the works for a while. But I
think it's pretty obvious that the Trump administration's timeline here
has to do with negotiations just in general. And so yeah,
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it's different than Germany. It's obviously different than Germany for
many reasons.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
But there you have it. This is you can see
where the Laura Lumburs of the world are.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Like, hey, wait a second, Wait a second, I mean
the sort of this is going to be an interest
same thing for Trump down the road, because the israel Hawks,
who are very supportive of Donald Trump, bitterly hate Cutter
and see.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Cutter obviously in one of the very la does exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And so Trump is extremely close to the Qataris. Steve
Woodcough is extremely close to the Katari's. They're going to
be instrumental in executing any if I mean, if you
want this peace deal to stick and you really Wantahu
not to go back into Gaza and make this conflict
kinetic again, they're going to need the guitars, probably why
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this was partially.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Sealed when it was sealed, So that's going to be
a problem for him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
But the ones that came his jet, yeah, the Air
Force one, yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And that.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
So this is going to be a problem for Trump
long into the future. Like this doesn't stop with this controversy.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
It's always just interesting to see what issues too are
like a red line for people, you know, like that's
all you know, all of the other shit he's done,
you're cool with, and then you know this, like weird
Air Force partnership whatever, Like that's the thing where you
draw the line.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
So that's always fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I mean, isn't the Trump Organization. I feel like they
have a It's hard to keep track of all of
the deals. But I thought they were doing something in
in Doha. I thought they had just done something in
Doha for the Trump Organization, which was led by Eric Trump, which.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Is, let's see, very likely.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah. Yeah, they're building a electric golf resort.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Trump Organization signed to deal with Qatar's government, Yes, for
a luxury beachside resort, eighteen whole golf course north of Doha,
value in the billions includes villas, has drawn ethics scrutiny
from watchdogs, called a potential conflict of interest.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
Ge do you think it's so obviously?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
But I think this is Ryan's point about when does
the deal happen.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
It's when the Israelis bum his money and Trump in Doha.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like Trump like a principle, if you get called into
the principal's office, makes Netta Nyahoo call his parents, Like
makes Netta Nyaho called cutter and apologize in front of
Donald Trump. I'm not speaking from experience. I never had
to call my parents in the principal's office because I
punched someone.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That did not happen.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But it's exactly what Trump was doing that like you,
I'm going to watch you.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, tell Cutter that.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
You're sorry, right well, and yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And look the Israelis, I mean, they had gotten away
with literally everything.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Nothing had been too far.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I guess it's another example of like, oh, this was
this was your redline. But from Trump, it makes sense
that this would be the issue that would be like nope,
we're done here. But that being said, if they had
pulled off the operation and successfully murdered the Palestinian negotiators,
then you know, they would have been able to forestall
the deal into the future, you know, additional length of time,
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which was certainly their goal.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So I just final point that golf resort deal was
struck in April, so as the Trump administration was negotiating
from an end to this war, and the Trump administration
was negotiating an end to this war, the Trump organization
was negotiating a golf resort in Cutter and Eric Trump
at the signs that at the time said we are
incredibly proud to expland the Trump brand and to cut
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her through this exceptional collaboration with Katari, DR and d are Global.
So if you think these things are completely disconnected, if
you think Jared Kushner having backing from the Saudi government,
the Saudi royals, if you think these things are just connected,
I mean, obviously that's untrue. You know, there's it's all
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blended together at this point. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, up next to anti Grist, let me let you
set this one up. I mean, I'll give you the
bear bones. Le's put this up on the script the
Washing and Post. So Peter Teal, we all know and love,
gave this series of four private lecture lectures like two
hours each.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
You had to.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Agree that they were off the record and not to record,
blah blah blah. Well they got leaked, the audio got
leased the Washington Post. So they wrote up this piece.
They say inside billionaire Peter Teel's private lectures warnings of
the Antichrist and US destruction tech billionaire. They write, Peter
Steel recently warned that Swedish activists Greta Tunberg and critics
of technology or AI are quote legionnaires of the anti
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Christ in private lectures on Christianity that connected government oversight
of Silicon Valley to an apocalyptic future. In the four
roughly two hour lectures, which began last month, Teal laid
out his religious views to a sold out audience told
to keep the contents off the record. According to an
invent listing, he argued those who proposed limits on technology
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development not only hinder business, but also threatened to usher
in the destruction of the US and an era of
global totalitarian rule. According to the recordings, Now for a
guy who helped found pallenteers invested in this whole world,
very convenient that he sees any sort of infringements on
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technological development as helping to usher in the Antichrist. And
there's also, I mean, there's a lot that's really noteworthy
about this too. I mean the fact that he like
it's explicitly religious and Christian in a Silicon Valley setting
where that hasn't always been the association. I know from
listening to some of the other things that he's said publicly.
(35:32):
You sent me some of the lectures that he'd given
or the talks that he'd given previously, that he also
likes to connect it to Okay, well, even if you're
not religious, like there's a secular concern.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
About the end of the world.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You can think about nuclear weapons, you could think about
climate christ you could think about AI. But he believes
that while AI development is dangerous, that the risks of
not developing AI are more dangerous and will lead you
potentially down the path as legionnaires of the Antichrist too
an era of global toaliers Harry and rules, so a
very convenient set of beliefs for him.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
To hold right.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
So Peter Teele has started over the last year framing
this in explicitly biblical Christian theological terms by focusing in
on catacom, which is from Second Thessalonians. I'll get into
that a little bit more. We can put f one
up on the screen. This to the Washington Post article
on a sort of leaked lecture leaks from a lecture
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that Teal gave in San Francisco. But he has been
doing these lectures in multiple different places. And one of
the interesting parts of this Post article, there's been a
Wired article on some leaks that came out. You're seeing
this drip into the media in recent months. He did
this long interview with Rostatha. We're going to get into
that as well. In fact, we actually already covered this too, because,
as you said the Tapist show Crystal, anytime someone with
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the power that Peter Teal has starts talking like this,
you have to pay attention. So he's saying the same
thing over and over again. Every time you see a
new article or a new interview, he is making the
same pitch over and over again. And he's doing it
as there's this kind of Christian revival happening in Silicon Valley,
like a real the vibe shift that's happening nationally. There's
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a real, not even an undercurrent anymore, of that happening
in Silicon Valley. You see it in people like Nicole Shanahan,
you see it in an organization that Teal is involved
with that's bringing in a lot of powerful people in
Silicon Valley. And you hear it a lot, a lot
a lot in the conversation about generative AIG language models
and that sort of thing. So here's a pretty representative
(37:34):
encapsulation of the tel argument. We can go ahead and
roll F two and then we'll do.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Some more breakdowns.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
I think it's Evan Illich who said that in the
time before christ there were many for runners to Christ,
and the time after Christ there will be many fore
runners of the Antichrist. So in some sense it's a type.
So Nero was a type of the Antichrist, or maybe
Napoleon was a type of the Antichrist, and it's sort
of a it's someone who which aspires for world domination
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to create the creation of the sort of one world state.
Some ways, Alexander the Great was sort of a pre
Christ prototype of the antichrisis, so very parallel to Christ.
They both die at thirty three. Alexander conquers the world,
Christ saves its sor sort of comparing contrasts. And so
in some sense, the Antichrist as an idea is something
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that really comes to being in the world after Christ.
And so there's and then there's a lot of things
about that are mysterious. In some ways, the Antichrist copies Christ.
The Antichrist pretends to be greater than Christ, hyper Christian,
ultra Christian, and then maybe only ultimately, you know, deeply
deeply anti Christian. You can think of it as a system,
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you know, where maybe maybe communism is a one world system.
So it can be an ideology or a system and
then then, of course you can also think of it
as as Newman did, where it's sort of the final
dictator of the of the one world state, where it's
it's still you stress it more as a person. You
think it was a type a system a person. How
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does this sort of a world take over actually happen?
And it's kind of a not a deis x macinum,
but like a dammonium X machine. It's like the Antichrist
just gives these hypnotic speeches where nobody can remember a
word and then sort of just swindles people's souls out
of them and they submit to this totalitarian state or
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something like this. And I think, I think if we
were to speculate on how to solve that plot hole,
we have an answer in the world after nineteen forty
five that people are in nineteen hundred nineteen, early twentieth century,
people were not yet scared of apocalyptic weapons. They could
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not imagine, you know, anything of the scale that we'd
have by the second half of the twentieth century, and
so and so the Antichrist takes over by talking about armagedd.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
The Antichrist takes over by talking about armageddon. Now Ross Dalfitt,
in his interview with Peter Teel, which recovered earlier, picked
up on what many of you are picking up on
after hearing Peter til say the Antichrist talks a lot
about armageddon. Well, he's been on a year long tour
talking about armageddon.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Let's roll the next clip.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Wouldn't the Antichrist be like, great, you know, we're not
gonna have any more technological progress, But I really like
what Palanteer has done so far, right, isn't isn't that
a concern? Wouldn't that be the you know, the irony
of history would be that the man publicly worrying about
the Antichrist accidentally hastens his or her arrival.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
They're all, look, they are all these different scenario.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
I obviously don't think that that's what I'm doing, but
in terribly that was.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
A pregnant pause after Ross Daffa basically asked, are you
the Antichrist?
Speaker 7 (40:54):
Am you seeing any of this in the mirror?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Well, it's giving Antichrist?
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Well, and this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's like, Okay, if your fear is a totalitarian one
world government, nothing creates a possibility of that more than
the technology that like a pallenteer is developing, and we
see this right now in our country. Like part of
the threat of the Trump administration's you know, fascist tactics
and goals is that the technology is there now like
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in a way that it wasn't after nine to eleven.
You know, there were incredible like owners tratrictions, like assaults
on civil liberties. That was all there, but we did
not have the level of tech that we have now
to actually be able to sweep up all of our
social media communications and give us all, you know, credit
scores and put us all on the you know, the
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list of Oh you don't like Trump, so you must
you might low key via terrri. It's like that all
exists now in a way it didn't before, in part
because of someone.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
Like Peter TiAl.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
So that's that's one part of it that is just
like glaringly obvious. And then the other and then you
know the part that I mentioned before about how incredibly
convenient it is that you would see the people who
oppose any sort of restrictions on unfettered AI development as
you know, a true like threat to the world and
legionnaires of the Antichrist in his language. So that's one
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piece of it, and then just to flesh onto land
a little bit more of what his argument is because
he says, Okay, yeah, there's dangers of AI development, but
the danger of not doing it is even more So.
He believes we're in this period of stagnation and that
if people aren't able to, you know, if there isn't
enough growth and people aren't able to you know, satisfy
their own you know, material needs, then you're going to
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have you know, greater peril and greater dangers. And there's
a part of that that's true, and I certainly think that,
you know, growth is important, et cetera. I'm not a
de growther here, but he completely ignores the distribution of wealth,
which AI is only set to further consolidate all of
that growth in the hands of an already wealthy elite.
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And there's a complete, you know, blind spot, as is true.
I would say if a lot of libertarians, which is
what he is, there's a complete blind spot around how
that wealth is distributed and the fact that the technologies
you're pushing are going to make us even more wildly
unequal and deny people. I mean, the goal of this
tech is to make it so that human labor is
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basically irrelevant, so that people don't have jobs, Like, how
do you think that is going to go for society?
What sort of peril do you think that creates for society?
Speaker 4 (43:36):
This is the big question.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I mean a lot of the libertarians who accuse everyone
else of being de growthers, say that what we need
is a democratized AI marketplace where you can have small
AI and big AI, big AI, big tech getting challenges
from small tech. But that's not at all what's poised
to happen, what it looks like. And this is brick
down some of the theological stuff coming out here, because
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a lot of the coverage refers to Peter Till as
like a devout Christian or dedicated Christian or something like that.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
And he's very eccentric. I mean, he may be devout
in his own way.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Is he does think very deeply and often about Christianity,
and he does apply a Christian framework, but his Christian
framework is not orthodox lowercase O orthodox Christianity at all.
He's very inspired by Rene gi Yard. He has almost
a George I was gonna say Petersonian, but like Jordan
Petersonian a belief in the mimetic power and the mimetic
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roots of Christianity. Again like this is not lowercase O
Orthodox Christianity at all. But I think there's there's an
undertone here of him trying to make this argument palatable
to more lowercase or O Orthodox Christians, as the mow
more lowercase orthodox Christianity and a Christian revival happens in
Silicon Valley and in other places.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
And what he's talking about is this.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
So the verse of the catacon is in second Thessalonians,
where Paul writes, don't you remember that when I was
with you, I used to tell you these things? And
now you know what is holding him back, referring to
the Antichrist so that he may be revealed at the
proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already
at work, but the one who now holds it back
will continue to.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Do so till he is taken out of the way.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
And so Carl Schmidt, who is infamous, very influential in
like New Right circles, infamous for becoming a Nazi basically.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
And then providing a lot of the intellectual sort of
architecture like moral architecture for Nazism.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Friend enemy distinction, right, Carl Schmidt read a lot into
this question of the catacon because he saw one world communism,
which Peter Tildris used that exact same phrase as the
potential Antichrist.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
So what Ross Dalthitt.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Was getting at is you say that this is holding
back the Antichrist. This is that what would hold back
the Antichrist would be this open marketplace of AI technology
and little tech whatever it is. Because maybe gretitz Hunberg
is the Antichrist, this de growth he seriously does. Maybe
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these de growth environmentalists are the Antichrist. Because this gets
into the very famous verse from Revelation describing the Antichrist,
and it is eerie. I understand why people right now
have their sort of the goosebumps when you read this,
because this is from Revelation. It says the Beast also
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forced all people great and small, rich and poor, free
and slave to receive a mark on their right hands
or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy
or sell unless they had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of its names.
So Revelation is really again it's very it's the sort
of dream prophecy, and you can project a million different
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things onto it, and you can people take really literally
certain things out of it and say this is what's
happening right now, right now, it's about to be the rapture.
Even the rapture itself is something that you can take
really literally and not everybody believes in. But this is
a very specific prophecy. They could not buy or sell
unless they had the mark. Receive a mark on the
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right hands or their foreheads, so they cannot buy or
sell unless they had the mark. You can again understand
why people right now look at crypto potential. Tucker just
had a podcast where you're talking about potential verification processes
that you would have to go through once everything moves
to crypto and digital currency as a literal like mark
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to prevent you from buying or selling unless you can
verify that this is your wallet or.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
So again, like people have read this into everything over
the process of industrialization. But what Teal is pitching here
is kind of what we saw as Cold War anti communism,
that communism is reflective of the Antichrist, that the Antichrist
is something where you see you know this, So this
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is this, says the Second Beast was given power to
give breath to the image of the first Beast, so
that the image could speak and cause all who refuse
to worship the image to be killed. Exercise all the
authority of the first beef beasts on its behalf, and
made the earth and its inhabitants worship.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
It just goes on great.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Signs, causing fire to come down from heaven and earth
and full view of the people. So this idea that
there's a wonderful utopian Antichrist that speaks in ways that
are very seductive to modern people and then stampsy with
a mark.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Basically, you can't buy yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Teal sees the catacoon as something that is holding that back,
and so he is now pitching AI, which of course
he's heavily invested in, as the catacom that holds back
the Antichrist. And again, is it sincere is it a
defense of his business and his worldview? I mean, Teal
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is somebody who I'm curious if you agree with this, Crystal.
I think whatever you think of Peter Teel, the man
does have a very coherent libertarian ideological commitment. Like his
whole career is about what he sees as this American
dynamism powered by libertarianism.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
And I don't know if this.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
I've listened to just about everything he's done, both of
those Peter Robinson lectures. I don't know how sincere it is.
It's obviously awfully convenient. My suspicion is that he's trying
to make generative AI palatable to skeptical Christians like the
Targer Carlson's.
Speaker 7 (49:40):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, I don't know if I could say that Peter
Thiel has been ideologically consistent in his like libertarian values
when I see, you know, the Trump administration infringing gravely
on any sort of like civil liberties and you know.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
But he's never been a civil libertarian. He pitches himself
as a civilitarian.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
That was the whole investment right, and I mean pallenteers
like directly contrary to civil liberties.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
And Jade Vance is his guy.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Also, he talks about how he thinks nationalism, which is,
you know, anti libertarian.
Speaker 7 (50:14):
He thinks that's like the direction to go in.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
But so I'm not sure that I could say he's
been faithful to his libertarian values. But but what I
and whether or not it's his genuine hell view or
his business, you know, or his business alignment or whatever.
Are those two things sort of meshed away that he
couldn't possibly untangle them, which I think is most likely
the case. I can see why he would be concerned
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about Christians looking at this tech, which is frightening on
any number of levels, which you know, Naomi Klein and
I brought this up many times, describes as anti creation
because you're basically sucking up the energy and water resources
and land resources in order to create this sort of
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like robotic mirror world, like twisted mirror world, feeding into
it all of humanity's greatest works.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Right, operating on inertia and not human energy. Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
If you read these Silicon Valley AI guys who are
all about it, they are creating.
Speaker 7 (51:23):
It is like its own religion.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean, it is complete with its own like redemption
arc and creation myths, and like they some of them
actively see themselves as creating a kind of a God
in a machine.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
That's going to save us all.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
So I could see I'm not a Christian, but I
could imagine some Christians look at that and being like,
I'm not so sure about that. That doesn't feel right
to me. In line with you know, my religious beliefs
and my teachings, and you know my belief in humanity,
et cetera. So there is very much a possibility in
this again touches some of the AI conversation we had
in the first block. There really is a possibility of
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a sort of like pro human pro creation cross ideological
alignment against this stuff, both because of what it's doing
to our minds, what it's doing to our world, what
it's doing to our futures. You know, what it's doing
to our job market, those effects are already starting to
be seen. What it's doing to consolidate wealth and power
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in the hands of a very few number of people,
Peter Teal being among them. You can imagine you have
a very unique coalition coming together that includes a lot
of Christians to deeply oppose that. So in that vein
just from a political perspective, as like a political operator,
I understand why he's trying to make this pitch and
make this appeal to this one particular community, and.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
The CIA basically invests Originally Impalanteer because Teal, as a
civil libertarian, was pitching it as a way to surveil
without infringing on civil liberties, Like that's what the pitch was,
and that's where the CIA people don't know this has
a venture capital fund.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
I don't even know. It sounds so crazy to say
it's true.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
And that's where the Steed money or some of the
earliest big injections of capital into Palenteer come from, because
Teal was able to So that's where I think it's
like been consistently inconsistent to your point, like can he
even disentangle these things from each other, because.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
He's like fundamentally.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Like he has this idea that he can make the
deep state work with civil liberties, which is not true.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I mean, it just it's just not true. I just
don't buy it.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Never have a lot of libertarians think if you just
take it outside of government, then it's not oppressive.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
That's exactly right. And of course a CIA investment. This
is like saying Mela with his IMF like the libertarian experiment,
like these two things are not compatible. It's it is
a spoiled experiment. Your lab conditions are imperfect. But we've
(53:53):
all seen examples of l l m's doing extremely dark
having extremely dark consequences, saying extremely dark things, pushing other
people to do extremely dark things.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
This is a huge question with Elon Musk.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
For example, how he is now using x Elon Musk,
who is flirting with becoming a Christian at Charlie Kirks
Memorial and all of this, creating bots that are hyper sexual.
This is a man who's concerned about the birth rate
and is giving more people incentives for more people to
just be behind their computer screen and not get out
(54:26):
there and actually have to you know, find.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Yes, yes, exactly kind.
Speaker 7 (54:31):
Of necessary ingredient for for creation at least to this point.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Right, Yes, So Teal is saying this is an obvious
like there's this Christian revival happening. Is that going to
push tolicon Valley because we have seen so many concerns
from people who have been deeply involved in LM world,
developing llm's Godfather of AI. How many times have you
seen the headlines about people who have been deeply involved
in the creation of LLMS saying this technology is going
(54:56):
to destroy humanity, It could destroy civilization. It is literally
demonic is another thing that people have said who are
involved in this part. So he realizes that's a problem
and it's like, okay, well, maybe we can work more
on this catacon idea, the Schmidt idea, and maybe there's
a case that opening up AI is what holds back
the Antichrist And hard to say if it's sincere. I've
(55:18):
listened to him do this for hours, so I think
he actually is probably sincere. But whether he's sincere because
he was trying to get from point A to point
B or because it was just organic, like, oh, yes,
this is the catacon is a different question.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
High IQ people can be very slippery because they can
talk themselves into that exactly and really convince themselves of things.
And so I don't really it doesn't really matter whether
he's sincere or not, Like the impact is the same
and it's.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Not gonna work like it's not gonna work on like
most Christians. I mean, this is the fundamental battle over
jd Vance. If you listen to how Nick Flints, for example,
talks about JD Vance. Yeah, there's this deep suspicion that
he is an anti growth, anti creative, anti human. He
is indebted to them in some ways because Peter Tiel
was instrumental.
Speaker 7 (56:00):
In his career, just like racist and hates his Indian
wife too.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Nick one does.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah, of course, yes, of course. But like I'm saying that,
speaking politically, the divide on the right now, it's even
with Trump, he becomes fully pro crypto after being anti crypto.
Like this is the signature divide on the right and
Peter Teele is recognizing it before other people are.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
It's anti human versus pro human.
Speaker 7 (56:22):
Basically, where does Marjorie Taylor Green fit into that?
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I'm sure she's anti Teale at this point. I'm sure
she would be.
Speaker 4 (56:29):
Against all of this. Uh And I don't know, but
we should ask her. I'm on the show, Come on
the show. It's a very monxious let's go.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
I wonder has she said? What has she said about crypto?
Is she a crypto?
Speaker 4 (56:40):
She is very worried about crypto.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
She actually was against the crypto bills because of them
creating a the ones that are over the summer, because
of them them creating a digital currency.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
Which is a good reason to be frightened about crypto.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Interesting, All right, Well I learned a lot from that.
Thank you for breaking all of that down for me,
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President Donald Trump is now on his way to Egypt
after delivering what I think could only be described in
tone as a triumphant speech at the Knesset in Israel
this morning, hailing a new dawn in the Middle East.
Let's go ahead and roll this first clip of Donald
Trump's speech, during which he he needled Netanyahu and his
wife's there at Netanyaho a little bit for going over
(00:56):
what Trump expected the length of their speeches would be,
and said he was going to be late to Egypt,
but otherwise was lavishing praise on Nata Yahu and let's
go ahead enroll, basically taking a victory lap on the
peace deal. The hostages, of course, living hostages have been returned.
Trump was greeted with a lot of cheers by people
(01:18):
even who had been protesting Nata Naho in Israel, so
he was definitely feeling himself.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
This is D zero B.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
That they also convey. My tremendous appreciation for all of
the nations of the Arab and Muslim world that came
together to press Samas to set the hostages free and
to send them home.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
We had a lot of help.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
We had a lot of help from a lot of
people that you wouldn't suspect, and I want to thank
them very much for that. It's an incredible triumph for
Israel in the world to have all of these nations
working together as partners in peace. And it's pretty unusual
for you to see that, but it happened in this case.
This was a very unusual point in time, the brilliant
(02:03):
point in time. Generations from now, this will be remembered
as the moment that everything began to change and change
very much for the better. Like the USA right now,
it will be the Golden Age of Israel and the
Golden Age of the Middle East.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's going to work together, okay.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So he also said that Marco Rubio would go down
as the greatest Secretary of State in history. As we
mentioned earlier, and one of the points people have made
throughout the war the last two years is that Natanyahu's
incentive to end the war hinged, at least in some
small part on charges against him. Donald Trump, waydon on
(02:45):
that as well. Let's go ahead and roll this clip.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I have an idea, mister President. Why don't you give
him a pardon? By the way, there was not in
the speeches you probably know, but I happened to like
this gentleman right over here, and it just seems to
make so much sense, you know, whether we like it
(03:09):
or not, this has been one of the greatest wartime presidents.
This is what been one of the greatest wartime presidents.
And Cigars and Champagne, who the hell cares the problem?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So Trump is on out now, on his way to
Egypt for a ceremony that Crystal and Soccer will surely
cover tomorrow with Arab leaders. But before Crystal we get
to that, I just want to or get to what's
happened in Gaza since I just want to mention this
quote from Steve Bannon this morning. He said the President,
reacting to the speech, had his game face on when
he showed up beat, clearly was icy. This is a
(03:45):
catastrophic defeat for the Israel First crowd and Tel Aviv Levin.
I think he's referring to Mark Livin there. I'm sure
they're banging their heads on the wall. It's a catastrophic
defeat because they overreached. They pushed this greater Israel project
and it came crashing down around them. Now, I have
seen a dynamic like that between Trump and netagna Who before,
where you can tell that in his like Trump in
(04:07):
way he's in public trying to needle Netagna who. I
think there was a little bit of that with the
length of the speech this morning. But I actually, Crystal,
don't see that Trump feels this is a catastrophic defeat
for the quote Israel First crowd in Tel Aviv Levin.
I feel like he's of the impression that everyone is
really happy with him.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Yeah, that's definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I mean, the perception he got at Kanessa was praiseworthy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yes, Jeremy Scahill tweeted, the scene in the Kanesse with
Trump is like watching the inverse of a war crimes tribunal.
The leaders and facilitators of the Gaza genocide are congratulating
each other and uplauding their crimes. And I think that's
well said. And look, there's so much to say about this.
Number one, this deal was always available always. All it
took was an American president, whether it was Biden or Trump,
(04:52):
saying we're done, You're done, We're done.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
This is ending.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Very similar jail has been on the table from Hamas
from the early phases of the So let's be clear
about what has been done to these people over two
years time, and will show you the homes that they're
returning to, which in many cases are just simply rubble.
The amount of death and destruction and disease and horror
that has been enabled now by two successive and American
(05:16):
administrations is something that none of us should ever forgive.
And there remain a lot of questions about what exactly
happens going forward, because it's very possible that we look
back on this speech as a sort of mission accomplished
moment for Trump, he will have to again assert himself.
In order for anything for the ceasefire just to be maintained,
(05:39):
you already have net Yahu and the President of Israel
indicating that they're not done, that they want to go
back in once they've gotten their hostages, they're captives back.
So just to maintain the ceasefire is going to continue
to take presidential will, and certainly any sort of rebuilding, reconstruction,
anything that even approaches looking like peace or justice will
(06:01):
require intensive attention from this precedent, and the initial you know,
twenty or twenty two point plan or whatever it is
that he laid out which envisioned him running aboard alongside
Tony Blair, does not even come close to approximating anything
like justice or peace, which is what is required in
order to actually have coexistence, you know, and an end
(06:24):
to the cycle of violence that has gone on for
years and years and years. We are a long long
way away from that. But you know, thank God that
the people in Palestine, that people in Gaza are today
able to able to live, able to eat, able to
survive onto those next battles. I think, you know, we
have to live in that duality of like this is
(06:45):
a horrible deal there is nothing good that is on
the table for Gaza coming forward. President Trump certainly doesn't
care about their humanity, and also that it is such
it's just you know, watching these little kids with joy
on their face that they're able to, you know, get
get some food and be able to go back to
whatever remains of where they're from. You know, it's been
(07:08):
I think very it has been a lot emotionally.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I mean, these videos that we're about sure everyone are
like incredible in a lot of different ways, and incredible
you look at the just utter abject devastation, and then
incredible when you look at people immediately rebuilding.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
When you look at people.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The resilience is like I can't even imagine it, can
imagine it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I mean, it's just yeah, it's It's one of the
things I've seen that just one of those moments that
makes you realize how siloed we are and like living
in different universes you are. It's that like I've seen
some people on the right saying, why are none of
the ceasefire now? Why isn't of the ceasefire now? Crowd
celebrating the end of the war, And then there's two things.
(07:53):
On the one hand, I actually have seen a lot
of people celebrating how beautiful it is is to see
videos coming out of Gaza where people realize that they're
not under fire literally every single day. I've seen plenty
of that. So it's just it's there, it's obviously there.
And on the other hand, it's like, well, how much
of that can you do? And there are also so
(08:14):
many trip wires in this potential peace plan that is
so obviously so so fragile. So there's two things happening
right there. But also it's impossible, it's impossible, it would
be impossible for anyone not to watch these kids dancing
and celebrating realizing that they're not literally having to try
(08:36):
to just survive every single day anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, And I think the other piece of that is
like it feels very hard to celebrate something when you
see people returning to just rubble, you know, when you
know that we'll cover this the one you know, wastewater
treatment plan, and Gaza City has been destroyed, so there's
just like no you know, no sanitation, no civilian infrastructure,
no schools, no mosques, the hospitals have been hit. There's
(09:01):
it's hard to hard to celebrate, you know, two years
of utter destruction, horror, and the you know the knowledge
that lives are going to continue to be difficult, even
as we are definitely relieved that the immediate you know,
assault is at least by and large over, at least
for now.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Let's go and take a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Look at some of these images, and I think that'll
encapsulate better than my words could what this actually looks like.
If we can put this up on the screen, guys,
and I'll explain, you can see. These are people, you know,
returning to what remains and along the road, and this
is what it looks like, you know, this is what remains.
It's just an unbelievable scene of devastation. And if you're
(09:44):
still telling me like this was self defense that Hamas
was in all of these buildings, residential buildings, you know, markets, bakeries, everything,
then I don't know. You're you're insane if you still
are believing that line. And here we've got body bags
lined up. This is an inspirational one. Sky returns to
his bomb down apartment and sets to work right away
(10:08):
putting it back together. This woman, same thing, clearing out
the rubble, trying to reclaim some sense of you know,
normal life and dignity, and that's what I was saying,
just like the amount of resilience. These are some absolutely
extraordinary people. You can see the earth movers here cleaning
out the rubble, trying to make the roads more you know,
accessible for people. Here we have Palestinian twins who are reunited,
(10:34):
who are just embracing each other, tearfully, hugging, just overjoyed
to be able to see each other again. There was
a video we didn't include in the montage, but one
that really particularly got me because I love cats. A
little boy holding his little kitty, Simba, who happens to
look exactly like my cat Salem. That many will I
thought you will have seen you. I thought that, yeah,
(10:55):
big boy, he was a big boy like Salem. And
he's holding and he's like, Simba and I are going
to get to go back and we're going to get
to play together and like just you know, live life.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
And it's what we have robbed.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, we have robbed two years of the children
who managed to survive. We have robbed them of two
years of their childhood. I mean just endless trauma and
suffering and you know, lack of food and lack of
medical care, the largest amputee population of children in the world.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
You know, the family members that have been lost.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You cannot possibly imagine what these little kids have been through,
what they have seen and experienced, things that most of us,
that no human should ever have to and that most
of us will never see in an entire lifetime.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
The kids, it's just normal kid stuff, like playing with
a cat, being excited to play with a cat because
you don't have to worry about just the incredible you know.
This is the other thing is like these kids, if
you're five years old, I mean, so much of your
life has been consumed in these formative years by this
is all, you know, raging war.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, it's all you know. This is a generation.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And the very reason that some people in the Israeli
far right and the American far right are unhappy with
this deal is the very reason that continuing the war
all along without other plans was, I mean, it just
the idea that Hamas has been eradicated. It's the exact
same reason why the Israeli far right is upset about
(12:25):
the deal, because they're like, well, Hamas will just reconstitute
and well, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Some of us have been saying from the beginning, yep,
and these people was never a goal that was achievable
and would just be used for in miserating the entire population.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
And none of these so these kids, none of whom
did anything wrong. They're five, they're six. They now.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Have a situation where Hamas is probably in the long
term going to be Hamas or whatever comes after Hamas
is going to be more powerful.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And these little kids grow up in that world.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Not only do they grow up in the world where
they were raised in this uh these years of abject destruction,
literal rubble and starvation, but then their future is actually
probably darker in the long run. I just don't see
any other way. I mean, I'm listen, I think I'm
really hopeful. I think this is the best version of
It's probably well Tony Blair aside, but like just actually
(13:22):
having the framework of a deal. I don't think Joe
Biden could have done it. I don't think Kamala Harris
could have done it. I don't love they could have well,
they could have done a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It was not hard to achieve. What change is the politics? Yeah,
I genuinely believe, I don't I don't even think it
was a politics Ryan. Ryan said this, and I think
this is right. Like Israel bombed Trump's money and they
bombed guitar and the you know, they came to Trump
and were like, these people are out of control, like
(13:52):
you are invested, like you are making money here and
they're bombing that.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
And they failed.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
They were trying to kill the Palace Sian negotiators and
they failed. So Israel was trying to make it impossible to,
you know, have any sort of negotiation in the near term.
Now there would have been new negotiators and down the line,
et cetera, et cetera. But that's what they were trying
to achieve. They failed to achieve that, and they pissed
off Trump by threatening what he cares about most, which
(14:19):
is his money. And I think that's what changed the dynamics.
But it was not hard to achieve this deal. All
he had to do was decide no, you're done, and
you know, and that's that's the risk is there is
no doubt. We could put D three up on the screen,
like there's no doubt. Nan Yahu has said that they
he says, we've achieved tremendous victories.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
The campaign is not over.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Part of our enemies are trying to recover, like when
they see Hamas back in operation, which is already starting
to happen. He's going to be making a push for,
you know, to break the ceasefire and to pull out
of this deal and to go forward with the new
military operation. The president of Israel has said, we got
to go in and blow up the tunnels. Blowing up
the tunnels has always been used to like murder a
(15:01):
bunch of civilians. So they're going to be pushing, and
it will require Trump to hold firm and say no,
I said the war's over, You're not doing this. I'm
not supporting it. We're done here. That's what will be required.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And again, like for business reasons, I actually think and
think it gives me no pleasure to say, but for
business reasons, I actually think there's an argument that Trump
is more likely to hold firm than another American politician would.
And again I don't think that's the ideal situation at all.
But I do think that Trump sending his son in
law who has all kinds of business interests in the region,
(15:34):
Steve Whitkoff, who previously has done all kinds of business
deals in the region. His friend basically plucked out of
New York real estate world and put into these deals.
I mean, I think that's it's a That is the
way Trump realized a lot of the Arab world is
going to trust your deals.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That's the best hope.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The best hope, right.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Is that he sees it in his financial interest because
they do maintain the deal.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And in some respects like they had been screwed by
like neoliberal Western deal making over the last half century.
So like there's all kinds of stuff that's going on here.
But all that is to say, as long as the
war is over right now and these kids are going
back to their lives, I mean, yes, that's great, that's wonderful.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
It's just the long term situation.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I don't know anybody other than maybe Trump and his
closest deputies who feel a lot better about hopeful about
that situation.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Because I mean, maybe I'm hopeful.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I like, that's the best we can have, is hope
and optimism in any situation. Of course, it's just hard
because it does look like how masses already reconstituting, and
long term solution is elusive.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Some more good news, though, we can put D four
up on the screen. GHF, the guys that quote unquote
Humanitarian Foundation done wrapped up operations. This is one of
those quote unquote AID sites that have been constructed with
those you know, big earthen mounds, and you know, these
were the sites of outside of these sites, these regular
(17:04):
AID massacres were occurring. Some Palestinian journalists have gone in
and found some of the signs of that, you know,
the spent shells and whatnot outside of these AID sites.
And there's a tacit admission in here that number one
JHF was never necessary. Number two it was in fact
this was obviously all of us, but it was in
(17:25):
fact Israel that was blocking aid from coming in. And
now you have you know, UN trucks and additional AID
trucks beginning to flow into the Gaza strip. There is
an overwhelming need for all sorts of things, but you know,
you continue to have I actually just saw yesterday one
of the girls that had become known in a lot
(17:46):
of Western media's twelve year old girl just died of starvation.
So the need continues because once your body gets to
that point, you require not just food of any sort,
but you require specific you know, specialized medical care and
nutritional supplements, and so hopefully some of that is coming
in as well. But you know, clearly it was always
(18:08):
it was always Israel blocking the amount of aid that
needed to come in from coming in. And now that
those you know, those blocks are lifting or easing, a
lot more aid is flowing in, which is another really
great thing to see. Let me put this next piece up.
I'm not sure where this stands right now.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
D five. There were early.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Indications that these two Palestinian doctors were not going to
be released. Then I saw some indications that there were
still negotiations going on and maybe they were going to
be released, So that one is still a question mark
for us to keep an eye on. D six is
what I referenced before. This is President Israel Katz saying
(18:47):
Israel's great challenge after the phase of returning the hostages
will be the destruction of all of Tamas's terra tunnels
in Gaza, directly by the IDF and through the international
mechanism to be established under the leadership and supervision of
the US. Primary significance of implementing the agreed upon principle
of demilitarizing Gaza neutralizing hamas of its weapons. I've instructed
the idea of to prepare for carrying out that mission, so,
(19:09):
you know, using this as a way to say, oh, well,
we have to continue to operate because we have to
destroy these terror tunnels. Look, you guys saw the images
of Gaza at this point. If you didn't get the frickin'
tunnels at this point, I don't know what you've been doing,
because there is like nothing left in the Gaza strip.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
And then great reporting here.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
From drop site about how on their way out, Israeli
soldiers made a point of torching food homes. They also
torched a critical sewage treatment plant, the last remaining really
even semi functional wastewater treatment plant in Gaza City, which
of course was the main city inside of Gaza.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
We've got a bunch of images of this.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And this was you know, they they were doing this,
they were celebrating it, they were posting it, they were
leaving these like you know, fake Airbnb type reviews, and
here they are torching that wastewater treatment facility, which obviously
is really critically important for maintaining the sanitation and health
of the population there. So, you know, not content with
(20:14):
what they'd already done. They had to torch everything they
could on their their way out as well. And then
last piece, let me go ahead and put D eight up.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
On the screen.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
So there are these armed gangs that were backed by Israel.
Isis linked by the way, armed Palestinian gangs that were
backed by Israel, and you know, now the Israel's like
basically abandon them to their fate. And you won't be
surprised that there's a lot of uh Hamas taking retribution
(20:44):
on them for their collaboration with the with the enemy
and the context of this genocide. There's also some indications
that those armed gangs continue to operate and continue to
you know, kill and harm Palestinians, So there's going to
be this you know, low level fighting. Actually Trump was
asked about this, about some of these images of Hamas
(21:05):
like you know, uh settling scores with these armed gangs
and whatever, and he's like, yeah, they're allowed to do
it for a time basically.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So he's just like what we were saying earlier, like
it's it's it's amazing to watch people go home and
realize that they're not in survival mode every single day.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
To except that people aren't right now.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
As you mentioned, some people still are at risk of starvation,
but to the extpt that you know, people are seeing
some light at the end of the tunnel. It's completely understandable,
but it's hard to have long term hope. Last thing
I will say, Crystal is my god, the hostage family
is what they've been through the last two years, it's
just unthinkable.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So hopefully some relief for them.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think I forget the exact number, but you know,
mostly we're talking about bodies that have have been returned.
So just hopefully the this disclosure of a chapter and
relief for all of the suffering. Yeah, those people have
been through. I mean, and they've been We've covered them
a number of times. They've been really brave to stand
(22:11):
up politically and the war torn or in the middle
of wartime to the leader of the country under certain circumstances.
So it's just been unimaginable couple of years for the
hostage families.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it was interesting at the rally that Witcoff and
Jared Kushner spoke at First of all, Kushner was like,
you you met the moment with what do you say?
It was incredible and your values and blah blah blah,
and it's meanwhile, we're looking at the pictures of the
rubble Witcoff tried to talk upout Nanya Who and couldn't
get his words out because Nannia Who was getting booed
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so aggressively by.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
The audience there. I wanted to update.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Ryan just posted that the one of those doctors that
I mentioned before is on the list of the hostages
to be released by the israel The Palestinian hostage is
to be released by the Israelis. And then one final note,
one of the individuals killed by those Isis linked Israeli
backed gangs was a notable journalist who. Yeah, I mean,
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it's just so heartbreaking, Salad Jeff Frowy. Im sure I'm
butchering that name. I'm sorry, guys, but he was kidnapped
by gunman working with the Israeli army and so he
made it through all of these two years of genocide
only to be killed by these Israeli backed gangs at
the end.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Such a just a mess, obviously, and just the victory
lap juxtaposed with.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
All of that. Yeah, it's a site, it's.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
A lot, Chris.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So let's talk about cutter because Donald Trump is headed
to literally as we take this, he's headed to Egypt.
He is meeting with Arab leaders, and I would imagine
if he talks the pressed, this question might come up
about what's exactly going on with the Katari air base.
We're going to break down whether or not there is
a Katari air base. Let's go ahead and roll E one.
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This is the original announcement from Secretary of War, which,
by the way, we use Secretary of War heag Seth's
preferred moniker here because Crystal, I think Secretary of Wars
are much more honest actual label than Secretary of Defense.
It is.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I don't want to miss cabinet label them. I
guess I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You don't want a dead cabinet name. Yes, it's a futant.
I do you think it's more honest? So here we go.
This is Pete Hegseth making the original announcement.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
I'm also proud that today we're announcing or signing a
letter of acceptance to build a Katari Emiri Air Force
Facility at the Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho. Location
will be host a contingent of Katari f fifteen's and
pilots to enhance our combined training, increase lethality, interoperability. It's
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just another example.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Of our partnership.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I hope, hope, you know your excellency that you can
count on us.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay, So then came a clarification tweet. This is E two.
We can put it up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Heigseeth then posted on Friday, the US military has a
long standing and actually he used the language quote important clarification.
The US military is a long standing partnership with Cutter,
including today's announced cooperation with F fifteen QA aircraft hower.
To be clear, Cutter will not have their own base
in the United States, nor anything like a base. We
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control the existing base like we do with all partners.
And actually, I'm going to do something that we don't
do very often. But let's roll back the original clips
just to compare the language language.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Let's let you one again.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I'm also proud that today we're announcing or signing a
letter of acceptance to build a Katari Emeri Air Force
facility at the Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Location will be host a.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Contingent of Katari F fifteen's and pilots to enhance our
combined training, increase lethality, O operability. Is just another example
of our partnership. And I hope, hope you know, your
excellency that you can count on us.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Okay, So what he said, there is a Katari facility at.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
The air base, tataro Ami air Force facility at the
air base.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So he didn't say air base, but he said air
Force facility.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
At the air base.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, so it's like assistant regional manager versus assistance to
the regional manager. I suppose I'm read a little bit
from the Associated press coverage here. They say when Heikessill
announced Friday morning that the federal government had reached an
agreement with Cutter to build a facility at an air
Force base and Idaho social media posts began popping up online.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
But the facility being built at the Mountain Home Air
Force Base in Idaho isn't a separate base at all.
It is a group of buildings that will be built
to handle training and maintenance for Katari troops. And the
agreement with Cutter has been in the works for years.
So there's a little bit of additional context here. But
even in the additional context from the reporting. It says
it is a group of buildings that will be built
to handle training and maintenance for Katari troops. They say,
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in fact, on siting on site training agreements with allies
are common in the US. The Republic of Singapore squadron
have been hosted at the base in two thousand and eight.
German forces trained at the Holloman Air Force Base in
New Mexico for decades. New facilities to train F thirty
five fighter pilots were completed at Ebbing Air Force Base
in Arkansas last year. But again, Crystal, obviously this is cutter.
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It's different than Its completely different than Germany, It's different
than Singapore, different than all of that.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So, yeah, it's different for Trump because they give him
money and stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I was just gonna say, it's the timing of Hagseth
making that announcement that people are like, wait a second,
what's going on.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Well, also, I mean this may be another instance of
why Pete Hegseth has been relegated to like just lecturing
generals about being too fat and shaving their beards or whatever.
Because we covered earlier how apparently Rubio and Stephen Miller
are the ones who are actually really running the Department
of War policy at this point. So anyway, the fun
part of this was Laura Lumer crashing out, we can
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put E three up on the screen. She went on
like a multi dozen long tweet tirade about this before
the clarification. She says, never thought I'd see Republicans give
terror financing Muslims from Qatar a military based on US
soil so they can murder Americans. By the way, that
line from her, that was Trump's line back in the
first administration, which again shows you just how arbitrary like
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even the label of terror ultimately is.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
I mean, Siria is the perfect example of that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But in any case, she says, I don't think I'll
be voting in twenty twenty six. I cannot in good
conscience make any excuses for the harboring of Jihatis. This
is where I draw the line. We've got another one
here from Laura Lumer. We can put up what the
hell is going on? Why are we trying to train
more Muslims out of fly planes on US soil? Didn't
we already learn our lesson? Why are we encouraging more
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Islamic infiltration? Of our country by the funders of Lamas
and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is very bad for our
national security. Guitar is one of the largest funders of
Islamic terror. Now they're being rewarded by getting a Katari
Air Force base in Idaho.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
We're allowing the Islamic enemy to gain so much ground
in our country. I will never support this, and I
mean Lumur is just like brazenly outwardly, unapologetically Islamophobic, which
certainly comes out in this particular message on it.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I think she would actually describe herself.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Yeah, Oh, I don't think she would object to that characterization.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
No, no, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I don't actually I don't know. I'd have to look
it up, But I don't think that she would would
be my strong assumption. But yeah, I mean, so as
the Associated Press reports, this has been like they say,
it's been in the works for a while. But I
think it's pretty obvious that the Trump administration's timeline here
has to do with negotiations just in general. And so yeah,
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it's different than Germany. It's obviously different than Germany for
many reasons.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
But there you have it. This is you can see
where the Laura Lumburs of the world are.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Like, hey, wait a second, Wait a second, I mean
the sort of this is going to be an interest
same thing for Trump down the road, because the israel Hawks,
who are very supportive of Donald Trump, bitterly hate Cutter
and see.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Cutter obviously in one of the very la does exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And so Trump is extremely close to the Qataris. Steve
Woodcough is extremely close to the Katari's. They're going to
be instrumental in executing any if I mean, if you
want this peace deal to stick and you really Wantahu
not to go back into Gaza and make this conflict
kinetic again, they're going to need the guitars, probably why
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this was partially.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Sealed when it was sealed, So that's going to be
a problem for him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
But the ones that came his jet, yeah, the Air
Force one, yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And that.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
So this is going to be a problem for Trump
long into the future. Like this doesn't stop with this controversy.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
It's always just interesting to see what issues too are
like a red line for people, you know, like that's
all you know, all of the other shit he's done,
you're cool with, and then you know this, like weird
Air Force partnership whatever, Like that's the thing where you
draw the line.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
So that's always fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I mean, isn't the Trump Organization. I feel like they
have a It's hard to keep track of all of
the deals. But I thought they were doing something in
in Doha. I thought they had just done something in
Doha for the Trump Organization, which was led by Eric Trump, which.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Is, let's see, very likely.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah. Yeah, they're building a electric golf resort.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Trump Organization signed to deal with Qatar's government, Yes, for
a luxury beachside resort, eighteen whole golf course north of Doha,
value in the billions includes villas, has drawn ethics scrutiny
from watchdogs, called a potential conflict of interest.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
Ge do you think it's so obviously?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
But I think this is Ryan's point about when does
the deal happen.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
It's when the Israelis bum his money and Trump in Doha.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like Trump like a principle, if you get called into
the principal's office, makes Netta Nyahoo call his parents, Like
makes Netta Nyaho called cutter and apologize in front of
Donald Trump. I'm not speaking from experience. I never had
to call my parents in the principal's office because I
punched someone.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That did not happen.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But it's exactly what Trump was doing that like you,
I'm going to watch you.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, tell Cutter that.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
You're sorry, right well, and yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And look the Israelis, I mean, they had gotten away
with literally everything.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Nothing had been too far.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I guess it's another example of like, oh, this was
this was your redline. But from Trump, it makes sense
that this would be the issue that would be like nope,
we're done here. But that being said, if they had
pulled off the operation and successfully murdered the Palestinian negotiators,
then you know, they would have been able to forestall
the deal into the future, you know, additional length of time,
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which was certainly their goal.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So I just final point that golf resort deal was
struck in April, so as the Trump administration was negotiating
from an end to this war, and the Trump administration
was negotiating an end to this war, the Trump organization
was negotiating a golf resort in Cutter and Eric Trump
at the signs that at the time said we are
incredibly proud to expland the Trump brand and to cut
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her through this exceptional collaboration with Katari, DR and d are Global.
So if you think these things are completely disconnected, if
you think Jared Kushner having backing from the Saudi government,
the Saudi royals, if you think these things are just connected,
I mean, obviously that's untrue. You know, there's it's all
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blended together at this point. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, up next to anti Grist, let me let you
set this one up. I mean, I'll give you the
bear bones. Le's put this up on the script the
Washing and Post. So Peter Teal, we all know and love,
gave this series of four private lecture lectures like two
hours each.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
You had to.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Agree that they were off the record and not to record,
blah blah blah. Well they got leaked, the audio got
leased the Washington Post. So they wrote up this piece.
They say inside billionaire Peter Teel's private lectures warnings of
the Antichrist and US destruction tech billionaire. They write, Peter
Steel recently warned that Swedish activists Greta Tunberg and critics
of technology or AI are quote legionnaires of the anti
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Christ in private lectures on Christianity that connected government oversight
of Silicon Valley to an apocalyptic future. In the four
roughly two hour lectures, which began last month, Teal laid
out his religious views to a sold out audience told
to keep the contents off the record. According to an
invent listing, he argued those who proposed limits on technology
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development not only hinder business, but also threatened to usher
in the destruction of the US and an era of
global totalitarian rule. According to the recordings, Now for a
guy who helped found pallenteers invested in this whole world,
very convenient that he sees any sort of infringements on
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technological development as helping to usher in the Antichrist. And
there's also, I mean, there's a lot that's really noteworthy
about this too. I mean the fact that he like
it's explicitly religious and Christian in a Silicon Valley setting
where that hasn't always been the association. I know from
listening to some of the other things that he's said publicly.
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You sent me some of the lectures that he'd given
or the talks that he'd given previously, that he also
likes to connect it to Okay, well, even if you're
not religious, like there's a secular concern.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
About the end of the world.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You can think about nuclear weapons, you could think about
climate christ you could think about AI. But he believes
that while AI development is dangerous, that the risks of
not developing AI are more dangerous and will lead you
potentially down the path as legionnaires of the Antichrist too
an era of global toaliers Harry and rules, so a
very convenient set of beliefs for him.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
To hold right.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
So Peter Teele has started over the last year framing
this in explicitly biblical Christian theological terms by focusing in
on catacom, which is from Second Thessalonians. I'll get into
that a little bit more. We can put f one
up on the screen. This to the Washington Post article
on a sort of leaked lecture leaks from a lecture
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that Teal gave in San Francisco. But he has been
doing these lectures in multiple different places. And one of
the interesting parts of this Post article, there's been a
Wired article on some leaks that came out. You're seeing
this drip into the media in recent months. He did
this long interview with Rostatha. We're going to get into
that as well. In fact, we actually already covered this too, because,
as you said the Tapist show Crystal, anytime someone with
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the power that Peter Teal has starts talking like this,
you have to pay attention. So he's saying the same
thing over and over again. Every time you see a
new article or a new interview, he is making the
same pitch over and over again. And he's doing it
as there's this kind of Christian revival happening in Silicon Valley,
like a real the vibe shift that's happening nationally. There's
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a real, not even an undercurrent anymore, of that happening
in Silicon Valley. You see it in people like Nicole Shanahan,
you see it in an organization that Teal is involved
with that's bringing in a lot of powerful people in
Silicon Valley. And you hear it a lot, a lot
a lot in the conversation about generative AIG language models
and that sort of thing. So here's a pretty representative
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encapsulation of the tel argument. We can go ahead and
roll F two and then we'll do.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Some more breakdowns.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
I think it's Evan Illich who said that in the
time before christ there were many for runners to Christ,
and the time after Christ there will be many fore
runners of the Antichrist. So in some sense it's a type.
So Nero was a type of the Antichrist, or maybe
Napoleon was a type of the Antichrist, and it's sort
of a it's someone who which aspires for world domination
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to create the creation of the sort of one world state.
Some ways, Alexander the Great was sort of a pre
Christ prototype of the antichrisis, so very parallel to Christ.
They both die at thirty three. Alexander conquers the world,
Christ saves its sor sort of comparing contrasts. And so
in some sense, the Antichrist as an idea is something
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that really comes to being in the world after Christ.
And so there's and then there's a lot of things
about that are mysterious. In some ways, the Antichrist copies Christ.
The Antichrist pretends to be greater than Christ, hyper Christian,
ultra Christian, and then maybe only ultimately, you know, deeply
deeply anti Christian. You can think of it as a system,
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you know, where maybe maybe communism is a one world system.
So it can be an ideology or a system and
then then, of course you can also think of it
as as Newman did, where it's sort of the final
dictator of the of the one world state, where it's
it's still you stress it more as a person. You
think it was a type a system a person. How
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does this sort of a world take over actually happen?
And it's kind of a not a deis x macinum,
but like a dammonium X machine. It's like the Antichrist
just gives these hypnotic speeches where nobody can remember a
word and then sort of just swindles people's souls out
of them and they submit to this totalitarian state or
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something like this. And I think, I think if we
were to speculate on how to solve that plot hole,
we have an answer in the world after nineteen forty
five that people are in nineteen hundred nineteen, early twentieth century,
people were not yet scared of apocalyptic weapons. They could
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not imagine, you know, anything of the scale that we'd
have by the second half of the twentieth century, and
so and so the Antichrist takes over by talking about armagedd.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
The Antichrist takes over by talking about armageddon. Now Ross Dalfitt,
in his interview with Peter Teel, which recovered earlier, picked
up on what many of you are picking up on
after hearing Peter til say the Antichrist talks a lot
about armageddon. Well, he's been on a year long tour
talking about armageddon.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Let's roll the next clip.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Wouldn't the Antichrist be like, great, you know, we're not
gonna have any more technological progress, But I really like
what Palanteer has done so far, right, isn't isn't that
a concern? Wouldn't that be the you know, the irony
of history would be that the man publicly worrying about
the Antichrist accidentally hastens his or her arrival.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
They're all, look, they are all these different scenario.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
I obviously don't think that that's what I'm doing, but
in terribly that was.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
A pregnant pause after Ross Daffa basically asked, are you
the Antichrist?
Speaker 7 (40:54):
Am you seeing any of this in the mirror?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Well, it's giving Antichrist?
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Well, and this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's like, Okay, if your fear is a totalitarian one
world government, nothing creates a possibility of that more than
the technology that like a pallenteer is developing, and we
see this right now in our country. Like part of
the threat of the Trump administration's you know, fascist tactics
and goals is that the technology is there now like
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in a way that it wasn't after nine to eleven.
You know, there were incredible like owners tratrictions, like assaults
on civil liberties. That was all there, but we did
not have the level of tech that we have now
to actually be able to sweep up all of our
social media communications and give us all, you know, credit
scores and put us all on the you know, the
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list of Oh you don't like Trump, so you must
you might low key via terrri. It's like that all
exists now in a way it didn't before, in part
because of someone.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
Like Peter TiAl.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
So that's that's one part of it that is just
like glaringly obvious. And then the other and then you
know the part that I mentioned before about how incredibly
convenient it is that you would see the people who
oppose any sort of restrictions on unfettered AI development as
you know, a true like threat to the world and
legionnaires of the Antichrist in his language. So that's one
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piece of it, and then just to flesh onto land
a little bit more of what his argument is because
he says, Okay, yeah, there's dangers of AI development, but
the danger of not doing it is even more So.
He believes we're in this period of stagnation and that
if people aren't able to, you know, if there isn't
enough growth and people aren't able to you know, satisfy
their own you know, material needs, then you're going to
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have you know, greater peril and greater dangers. And there's
a part of that that's true, and I certainly think that,
you know, growth is important, et cetera. I'm not a
de growther here, but he completely ignores the distribution of wealth,
which AI is only set to further consolidate all of
that growth in the hands of an already wealthy elite.
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And there's a complete, you know, blind spot, as is true.
I would say if a lot of libertarians, which is
what he is, there's a complete blind spot around how
that wealth is distributed and the fact that the technologies
you're pushing are going to make us even more wildly
unequal and deny people. I mean, the goal of this
tech is to make it so that human labor is
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basically irrelevant, so that people don't have jobs, Like, how
do you think that is going to go for society?
What sort of peril do you think that creates for society?
Speaker 4 (43:36):
This is the big question.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I mean a lot of the libertarians who accuse everyone
else of being de growthers, say that what we need
is a democratized AI marketplace where you can have small
AI and big AI, big AI, big tech getting challenges
from small tech. But that's not at all what's poised
to happen, what it looks like. And this is brick
down some of the theological stuff coming out here, because
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a lot of the coverage refers to Peter Till as
like a devout Christian or dedicated Christian or something like that.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
And he's very eccentric. I mean, he may be devout
in his own way.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Is he does think very deeply and often about Christianity,
and he does apply a Christian framework, but his Christian
framework is not orthodox lowercase O orthodox Christianity at all.
He's very inspired by Rene gi Yard. He has almost
a George I was gonna say Petersonian, but like Jordan
Petersonian a belief in the mimetic power and the mimetic
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roots of Christianity. Again like this is not lowercase O
Orthodox Christianity at all. But I think there's there's an
undertone here of him trying to make this argument palatable
to more lowercase or O Orthodox Christians, as the mow
more lowercase orthodox Christianity and a Christian revival happens in
Silicon Valley and in other places.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
And what he's talking about is this.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
So the verse of the catacon is in second Thessalonians,
where Paul writes, don't you remember that when I was
with you, I used to tell you these things? And
now you know what is holding him back, referring to
the Antichrist so that he may be revealed at the
proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already
at work, but the one who now holds it back
will continue to.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Do so till he is taken out of the way.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
And so Carl Schmidt, who is infamous, very influential in
like New Right circles, infamous for becoming a Nazi basically.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
And then providing a lot of the intellectual sort of
architecture like moral architecture for Nazism.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Friend enemy distinction, right, Carl Schmidt read a lot into
this question of the catacon because he saw one world communism,
which Peter Tildris used that exact same phrase as the
potential Antichrist.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
So what Ross Dalthitt.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Was getting at is you say that this is holding
back the Antichrist. This is that what would hold back
the Antichrist would be this open marketplace of AI technology
and little tech whatever it is. Because maybe gretitz Hunberg
is the Antichrist, this de growth he seriously does. Maybe
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these de growth environmentalists are the Antichrist. Because this gets
into the very famous verse from Revelation describing the Antichrist,
and it is eerie. I understand why people right now
have their sort of the goosebumps when you read this,
because this is from Revelation. It says the Beast also
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forced all people great and small, rich and poor, free
and slave to receive a mark on their right hands
or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy
or sell unless they had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of its names.
So Revelation is really again it's very it's the sort
of dream prophecy, and you can project a million different
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things onto it, and you can people take really literally
certain things out of it and say this is what's
happening right now, right now, it's about to be the rapture.
Even the rapture itself is something that you can take
really literally and not everybody believes in. But this is
a very specific prophecy. They could not buy or sell
unless they had the mark. Receive a mark on the
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right hands or their foreheads, so they cannot buy or
sell unless they had the mark. You can again understand
why people right now look at crypto potential. Tucker just
had a podcast where you're talking about potential verification processes
that you would have to go through once everything moves
to crypto and digital currency as a literal like mark
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to prevent you from buying or selling unless you can
verify that this is your wallet or.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
So again, like people have read this into everything over
the process of industrialization. But what Teal is pitching here
is kind of what we saw as Cold War anti communism,
that communism is reflective of the Antichrist, that the Antichrist
is something where you see you know this, So this
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is this, says the Second Beast was given power to
give breath to the image of the first Beast, so
that the image could speak and cause all who refuse
to worship the image to be killed. Exercise all the
authority of the first beef beasts on its behalf, and
made the earth and its inhabitants worship.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
It just goes on great.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Signs, causing fire to come down from heaven and earth
and full view of the people. So this idea that
there's a wonderful utopian Antichrist that speaks in ways that
are very seductive to modern people and then stampsy with
a mark.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Basically, you can't buy yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Teal sees the catacoon as something that is holding that back,
and so he is now pitching AI, which of course
he's heavily invested in, as the catacom that holds back
the Antichrist. And again, is it sincere is it a
defense of his business and his worldview? I mean, Teal
(48:57):
is somebody who I'm curious if you agree with this, Crystal.
I think whatever you think of Peter Teel, the man
does have a very coherent libertarian ideological commitment. Like his
whole career is about what he sees as this American
dynamism powered by libertarianism.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
And I don't know if this.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
I've listened to just about everything he's done, both of
those Peter Robinson lectures. I don't know how sincere it is.
It's obviously awfully convenient. My suspicion is that he's trying
to make generative AI palatable to skeptical Christians like the
Targer Carlson's.
Speaker 7 (49:40):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, I don't know if I could say that Peter
Thiel has been ideologically consistent in his like libertarian values
when I see, you know, the Trump administration infringing gravely
on any sort of like civil liberties and you know.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
But he's never been a civil libertarian. He pitches himself
as a civilitarian.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
That was the whole investment right, and I mean pallenteers
like directly contrary to civil liberties.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
And Jade Vance is his guy.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Also, he talks about how he thinks nationalism, which is,
you know, anti libertarian.
Speaker 7 (50:14):
He thinks that's like the direction to go in.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
But so I'm not sure that I could say he's
been faithful to his libertarian values. But but what I
and whether or not it's his genuine hell view or
his business, you know, or his business alignment or whatever.
Are those two things sort of meshed away that he
couldn't possibly untangle them, which I think is most likely
the case. I can see why he would be concerned
(50:40):
about Christians looking at this tech, which is frightening on
any number of levels, which you know, Naomi Klein and
I brought this up many times, describes as anti creation
because you're basically sucking up the energy and water resources
and land resources in order to create this sort of
(51:02):
like robotic mirror world, like twisted mirror world, feeding into
it all of humanity's greatest works.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Right, operating on inertia and not human energy. Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
If you read these Silicon Valley AI guys who are
all about it, they are creating.
Speaker 7 (51:23):
It is like its own religion.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean, it is complete with its own like redemption
arc and creation myths, and like they some of them
actively see themselves as creating a kind of a God
in a machine.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
That's going to save us all.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
So I could see I'm not a Christian, but I
could imagine some Christians look at that and being like,
I'm not so sure about that. That doesn't feel right
to me. In line with you know, my religious beliefs
and my teachings, and you know my belief in humanity,
et cetera. So there is very much a possibility in
this again touches some of the AI conversation we had
in the first block. There really is a possibility of
(51:59):
a sort of like pro human pro creation cross ideological
alignment against this stuff, both because of what it's doing
to our minds, what it's doing to our world, what
it's doing to our futures. You know, what it's doing
to our job market, those effects are already starting to
be seen. What it's doing to consolidate wealth and power
(52:21):
in the hands of a very few number of people,
Peter Teal being among them. You can imagine you have
a very unique coalition coming together that includes a lot
of Christians to deeply oppose that. So in that vein
just from a political perspective, as like a political operator,
I understand why he's trying to make this pitch and
make this appeal to this one particular community, and.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
The CIA basically invests Originally Impalanteer because Teal, as a
civil libertarian, was pitching it as a way to surveil
without infringing on civil liberties, Like that's what the pitch was,
and that's where the CIA people don't know this has
a venture capital fund.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
I don't even know. It sounds so crazy to say
it's true.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
And that's where the Steed money or some of the
earliest big injections of capital into Palenteer come from, because
Teal was able to So that's where I think it's
like been consistently inconsistent to your point, like can he
even disentangle these things from each other, because.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
He's like fundamentally.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Like he has this idea that he can make the
deep state work with civil liberties, which is not true.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I mean, it just it's just not true. I just
don't buy it.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Never have a lot of libertarians think if you just
take it outside of government, then it's not oppressive.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
That's exactly right. And of course a CIA investment. This
is like saying Mela with his IMF like the libertarian experiment,
like these two things are not compatible. It's it is
a spoiled experiment. Your lab conditions are imperfect. But we've
(53:53):
all seen examples of l l m's doing extremely dark
having extremely dark consequences, saying extremely dark things, pushing other
people to do extremely dark things.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
This is a huge question with Elon Musk.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
For example, how he is now using x Elon Musk,
who is flirting with becoming a Christian at Charlie Kirks
Memorial and all of this, creating bots that are hyper sexual.
This is a man who's concerned about the birth rate
and is giving more people incentives for more people to
just be behind their computer screen and not get out
(54:26):
there and actually have to you know, find.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Yes, yes, exactly kind.
Speaker 7 (54:31):
Of necessary ingredient for for creation at least to this point.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Right, Yes, So Teal is saying this is an obvious
like there's this Christian revival happening. Is that going to
push tolicon Valley because we have seen so many concerns
from people who have been deeply involved in LM world,
developing llm's Godfather of AI. How many times have you
seen the headlines about people who have been deeply involved
in the creation of LLMS saying this technology is going
(54:56):
to destroy humanity, It could destroy civilization. It is literally
demonic is another thing that people have said who are
involved in this part. So he realizes that's a problem
and it's like, okay, well, maybe we can work more
on this catacon idea, the Schmidt idea, and maybe there's
a case that opening up AI is what holds back
the Antichrist And hard to say if it's sincere. I've
(55:18):
listened to him do this for hours, so I think
he actually is probably sincere. But whether he's sincere because
he was trying to get from point A to point
B or because it was just organic, like, oh, yes,
this is the catacon is a different question.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
High IQ people can be very slippery because they can
talk themselves into that exactly and really convince themselves of things.
And so I don't really it doesn't really matter whether
he's sincere or not, Like the impact is the same
and it's.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Not gonna work like it's not gonna work on like
most Christians. I mean, this is the fundamental battle over
jd Vance. If you listen to how Nick Flints, for example,
talks about JD Vance. Yeah, there's this deep suspicion that
he is an anti growth, anti creative, anti human. He
is indebted to them in some ways because Peter Tiel
was instrumental.
Speaker 7 (56:00):
In his career, just like racist and hates his Indian
wife too.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Nick one does.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah, of course, yes, of course. But like I'm saying that,
speaking politically, the divide on the right now, it's even
with Trump, he becomes fully pro crypto after being anti crypto.
Like this is the signature divide on the right and
Peter Teele is recognizing it before other people are.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
It's anti human versus pro human.
Speaker 7 (56:22):
Basically, where does Marjorie Taylor Green fit into that?
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I'm sure she's anti Teale at this point. I'm sure
she would be.
Speaker 4 (56:29):
Against all of this. Uh And I don't know, but
we should ask her. I'm on the show, Come on
the show. It's a very monxious let's go.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
I wonder has she said? What has she said about crypto?
Is she a crypto?
Speaker 4 (56:40):
She is very worried about crypto.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
She actually was against the crypto bills because of them
creating a the ones that are over the summer, because
of them them creating a digital currency.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
Which is a good reason to be frightened about crypto.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Interesting, All right, Well I learned a lot from that.
Thank you for breaking all of that down for me,
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