10/15/25: Israel Threatens Ceasefire, Trump Blackmails Argentina Voters, Voters Turn On Data Centers

Ryan and Saagar discuss Israel threatens ceasefire, Trump blackmails Argentina voters, voters turn on data centers.

 

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to swap with her. Shout out to Emily. All Right,
this is the tough part of it. I don't know
how any guys do this. You got to set up
all this, all this, all right, all right, all right,
I'm gonna try and do this, So we're going to
start off with Israel. Ryan is going to give us

(01:02):
a lot of updates. There's some crazy stuff going on,
Israel originally threatening to halt half of the aid going
into Gaza, accusing Hamas of violating the ceasefire, Hamas accusing
them of violating the ceasefire. There's still quite a bit
going on behind the scenes and implementation of that as
it is precarious and still you know, obviously could fall
apart at any moment, with Donald Trump kind of weighing

(01:24):
in on Israel's side, but also making a very revealing
comment about Hamas and about law and order inside of Gaza,
which Ryan is going to fully flesh things out for us.
The president of our Argentina, Javier Malay, was in Washington
yesterday to secure his bailout Donald Trump ad justifying to
the cameras why he deserves a twenty billion dollar bailout.
You'll be shocked to learn the answer. We're going to

(01:46):
talk about data center, something that we have been tracking
here very closely at breaking points. There is a continuing
grassroots campaign across the entire nation, including my home state
of Virginia, where data centers consume some forty percent of
the electricity produced in the entire state. A lot of
grassroots local people organizing against data centers, and all of

(02:08):
it for what purpose? For artificial intelligence, leading to Sam
Altman's landmark decision yesterday where he announced that pornography personalized
pornography will soon be made available on chat cheapt So
you can assume what I'm going to say about that.
We're going to talk about the Pentagon. Ryan and I
we need to go off on this. I have just
been I have felt so angry about it because my

(02:32):
first job in Washington was covering the Pentagon. Ryan. I
know you've covered the Pentagon as well. The Pentagon is
just making up outright lies to ban all journalists basically
from the building, try and require them to sign some
bullshit pled So we're going to go through point by
point and tell you why every single thing that they're
saying is complete and a total lie and has basically
made it so that there's even less transparency, not to

(02:53):
where they're already was very little even when you able
to get anything from them at the Pentagon. At a
time of the one trillion dollars that we spend on
the defense budget, people getting drone struck or whatever in
the middle of the Caribbean. There is quite literally only
one reporter who will be at the Pentagon as of today.
One America News So great. Okay, We're going to talk

(03:15):
about Maine, Janet Mills, the sitting governor, jumping into the race.
If elected as a Democrat, she would be the oldest
freshman senator in United States history. It's the United States
seventy and this is in the United States Senate.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Age record in the Senate is impressed.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's very impressive. So Ryan and I are going to
discuss that hot campaign, how the Chuck Schumer is already
jumping in seemingly on her side. And then finally Pakistan.
This is a Ryan Grim Spreshal, So I'm going to
turn it over to him and he's going to tell
us some of the details where drop site appears to
have uncovered. I'll let you say it.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, Pakistan over the last several days has massacred hundreds,
maybe even more than that of pro Palestine protesters.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Coinciding with Shabbaz Sharif, the practice Pakistan Prime Minister going
to eat to nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
We'll talk about that in the way that we may
be getting another India Pakistan war pretty soon. And then
we'll finish off by talking little Barrywise over at dropsite.
We looked into her investigation into her attempt to basically

(04:18):
deny deny the famine that's underway by looking into the
cases of a bunch of sick children there, and we'll
tell you what we found there.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But Saga, you nailed it. You cruised right through that.

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let's go ahead and start with Israel. Let's go and
put this up here on the screen. Is threatened yesterday
telling the United Nations it plans to have aid into
Gaza amid a partial return of slain hostages bodies. So
let's go and put a two up on the screen.

(05:11):
This is all amid a big fight between Israel and
Hamas over the technicalities of the Phase one return of
the hostage deal. But much of this pertains to the
actual bodies of the hostages who were killed while they
were held in Hamas captivity. Now part of the Hamas
explanation is that the devastation in Gaza compliment complicates the

(05:33):
retrieval of all remains. I should note that as of
this morning, Israel did back off of their threat to
restrict aid into Gaza, deciding that some six hundred eight
trucks will be allowed to enter today, restoring the full
volume that was agreed to at the beginning of the ceasefire.
But I think, Rian, what I'm hopefully you can help

(05:54):
break down for us is the precarity through which Israel
and through which this ceasefire deal could quite easily collapse,
And how there are serious elements in the Israeli government
who would want nothing less than to have this ceasefire
completely collapse. They have their hostages back now, the living
ones they never particularly cared at least this particular government

(06:16):
about those hostages, and they would love nothing more than
to torpedo it and to resume the war.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, the Ben Gavie and Smotrich faction of the government
are looking for every avenue in that they can to
try to disrupt this and make a fool out of Trump,
who has said that the war is over. We have
a ceasefire, and we're going to make sure the ceasefire stops.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
While I'm talking, you can put up a to b.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Abdelkata for drop site provided us this footage. This is
four of the deceased hostages being taken to the Red Cross.
There are twenty eight that are to be turned over
in the agreement, and if I remember, I'll put it
in the notes to this show.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
You can read the agreement for yourself. It's very short.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
It says that once Israel moves back behind the line
that they've agreed to, which they've done, that within seventy
two hours, all the bodies in the possession of Hamas
and other resistance factions as a one than just Hamas
that had them will be turned over, you know, to
the Red Cross and to Israel. While information about the

(07:23):
known or likely whereabouts of the rest of them will
also be turned over. So there's an entire process, because
the mediators clearly understood, because they're not idiots, that in
a in a war zone which is covered in rubble,
you know, north to south, it's going to be it's
going to take some time to find not just these

(07:46):
you know, twenty eight bodies, but the tens of thousands
of bodies of Palestinians who.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Are also under the rubble.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
If you think about it, if the hot you know, Hamas,
it does appear like Hamas killed six hostages.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
It was five or six housages in the ton.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
To prevent them from being captured in this like horrifying
situation almost a year ago, I think at this point. Otherwise,
according to Israeli media reports, the way that a significant
number of the hostages were killed was through Israeli airstrikes.
And so therefore where are those bodies. Those bodies are

(08:23):
deep in tunnels and they're under rubble. Nine seven two
in particular reported that Israel discovered that as a byproduct
of its two thousand pound bombs, they could basically suck
all the oxygen out of the tunnels within like a
five hundred or a thousand meter period, and they know
for a fact that they killed some hostages that way,

(08:46):
So how do you find those Immediately? Mediators understood this
is going to take some time, and so for Israel
to immediately kind of renig on the agreement and say, okay,
we're now cutting aid and to go directly to cutting AID,
I think was a bit too much.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
And that's why they're going. You know, they're saying, okay, we're.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Going to allow the six hundred trucks in because Israel
it seems like Israel's gotten a little bit too comfortable
explicitly using the starvation of a civilian population for its
military and political ends.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
That is a war crime.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Like since World War Two, everyone has agreed collective punishment
is a war crime.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
You can't do it.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
And so even in the beginning of the war, Israel
was reluctant to say that the starvation of the population
was being used as a weapon of war because you
just couldn't say that out loud.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Now they're not. Now they're just saying it.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
But we didn't get all of our bodies yet, you're
only getting three hundred trucks. And pressure came back on
Israel you can't actually do that, and now you have
your hostages back, So the political calculus is little bit
different now that they have their Now that they have
their hostages back.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now, the other.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Fight that is unfolding here is about the state of
Hamas's arms going forward, and there's some indications from Hamas
actually that they're now offering to give up heavy weapons,
which should be you know, rockets, which is actually a
huge victory, especially for the people that live around the envelope,

(10:29):
but also you know, those rockets went pretty far. It
also is a signal that they're backing off of offensive strikes,
you know, into Israel. As a part of this, they
say they want to keep their small arms. And small
arms are not a threat to an Israeli or to
Israel unless they're inside Gaza, you know, right, you know,

(10:52):
you're not. A guy with a gun in Darryl Bala
is not a threat to somebody in Tel Aviv unless
that person from Tel Aviv gets in a tank and
comes into darry Oballa. Then they're in trouble. So let's roll.
Let's roll President Trump talking about this question of Hamas disarmament.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
We have told them we want disarmed, and they will disarmed,
and if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. And
it'll happen quickly and perhaps violently, but they will disarmed.
You understand me, because you always ever it says, oh well,
they won't disarm, they will disarm. And I spoke to

(11:32):
Hamas and I said, you're going to disarm, right, Yes, sir,
we're going to disarm. That's what they told me. They
will disarm or we will disarm them. Got it.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, sir, you said quickly, but what is the deadline
you're going to put on?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
A reasonable pretty quickly, a reasonable.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
A reasonable period of time.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
But a reporter later followed up and was like, hold
on a second story. I think you just said that
you spoke to Hamas. That would be huge news if true.
He's like, well, I didn't speak to Hamas. He's like
a very senior Hamas person. Spoke to somebody senior right
in our administration.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Okay, Steve Wickoff, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
And this is this is what they this is what
they related. Now, the question of arms also goes to
law and order in Gaza, and unless you have any
thoughts on that, we could roll him talking about the gangs.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Well, just to set it up. It is an interesting
question now about the post governance of Gaza, because the
United States has committed to some sort of coalitional provisional
authority which will govern Hamas, will have to give up
its weapons, but it'll be allowed to enter the political process.
But in the interim, because it is not under occupation,
who is administering day to day justice, if you will,

(12:44):
and immediately what's been coming out from the Gaza strip
our images actually of Hamas or at least Hamas militants
committing executions, and those executions, there's been a lot that's
been thrown about. Some pro Israelis have been saying that, oh,
actually this is Hamas executing quote unquote collaborators. Hamas is like, no,

(13:04):
these are at criminals, people who were hoarding food, who
were stealing and were looting. In the middle of this,
and Trump it appears, actually is endorsing these executions, saying, yeah,
he's like, they're taking care of some troublemakers. I don't
have a problem with it, to be honest with you,
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
You know, they did take out a couple of gangs
that were very bad, very very bad gangs that they
did take them out and they killed a number of
gang members and that didn't bother me much, to be
honest with you. That's okay. And so a couple of
very bad gangs, you know, it's very different than other countries.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Didn't bother me much, to be honest with you. So
what do we know about these guys?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Because the pro Israel side is adamantly saying this is
Hamas who is executing people who collaborated with the IDF,
This shows their barbarism, etc. The President of the United
States seems to believe that it is criminal gangs. Perhaps
that's backed up by in intelligence, but it does highlight
kind of the issue of who is going to administer

(14:04):
like day to day law and order inside of the
Gaza strip, in particular because the Israeli's never wanted to
do it, and now that they're gone and it's no
longer like an anarchist war zone, something is going to
fill in and step up that vacuum.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, and so the Ministry of Interior yesterday put out
a statement that that was kind of putting on record
what had been circulating inside of Gaza, which is that
look if they say the statement says, look if you
participated with these gangs, either Israeli backed or otherwise, that
were looting aid, that were causing chaos.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Turn yourself in.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
And we have a week long period of amnesty ends
October nineteenth, and it's time to reintegrate into Palestinian society.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Now when you.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Get what are you gonna get a little slap on
the wrist. They're going to shoot your leg Like I
don't know what this kind of amnesty actually means.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
And this will require or some new reporting.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
It might just mean you come in, you say who
you are, who your family is, you say what you did,
and you promise you're not going to do it again,
and it's it's a process of truth and reconciliation moving forward.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
They said, if you committed bloodshed, if you killed someone,
you're not eligible for this.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
You have to you have to submit yourself to real justice.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
So what they say with the folks there that they
were offered amnesty, some of them refused and there was
then a gun battle, they lost a gun battle, and
then they were executed there. Now here's what's here's what's wild,
and here's here's an interview you would you wouldn't see
on any American television program.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
I'm going to read some of this to you and get.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Your reaction to it, because it's I think, as you'll see.
Hamas actually I think has a lot more uh similarities
with probably the American right. I think you're going to
hear some of this and be like, yeah, okay, this
kind of tracks with my political philosophy a little more
than a squishy liberal like me, who is like what
about due process? You know, what about confronting your accuser.

(16:07):
So this is an interview on a Saudi television program
which is hostile to Hamas, Like Saudi's they wish Hamas
did not exist, and so they invited on from Nusert
a guy named Sheikh who's Ni al Mougne, who is
his official title. He's the head of the Supreme Committee

(16:29):
for Palestinian Tribal Affairs. But he's understood in Gaza to
be a strong representative of civil society, Like he's one
of these guys that's just very well respected around the
kind of Gaza civil civil community. So the interviewer and
you can find this clip it's an Arabic though on

(16:52):
drop site.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I'll read some of it here.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
The interviewer is constantly pressing him to try to condemn
Hamas and condemn because like they're executing people in whold blood,
like in public.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
On video, and Saudi's famously are very against.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yll Yeah, I didn't even think of that, but that's
hilarious and so.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
So he starts out by saying this, these events didn't
come out of thin air or from rumors.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
They're based on facts.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
This misguided group collaborated with the enemy and committed shameful
acts murder, theft, looting. These people have existed since the
first truce. They've been doing this for a long time.
During that period, they killed many people, robbed and terrorized others.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
No one could tolerate what they did.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Now, after the situation has stabilized and the ceasefire has
taken hold, the security forces are working to restore safety
and stability among the people. This deviant group, which practiced
all forms of violence and looting, had to be held accountable.
The families of those involved renounced them under tribal law
and asked them to surrender to the authorities. Those who
turned themselves in were punished according to their crimes. Those

(17:58):
who resisted arrest. The police had to use force against them,
leading to deaths and injuries. These people are rejected by everyone,
by the public and by the tribes. The host says,
but should it be handled this way? Less than twenty
four hours after the ceasefire in Gaza, they've executed publicly
without any legal process or accountability, And he says, my sister,

(18:19):
please understand. There are no functioning courts, no police, no
judiciary right now. What exists is field justice. Tell me
when a ten year old boy goes out to bring
home a little flower for his siblings because his father
was martyred, and someone attacks him, steals the flower and
kills him in the street, who will hold those killers accountable?

(18:42):
These people have to be rooted out. They're a corrupt
element that doesn't belong to our society. And the host says,
she's still looking for something. She's like, give me something here,
But surely you've also heard of excesses by HAMAS members themselves.
Almogney says. If there are violations by HAMAS member, there
are authorities who can stop and punish them.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
But who holds Hamas accountable? She asks?

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Anyone can report misconduct to the higher authorities, they will
investigate and punish Hamas has leadership and internal accountability. Yesterday,
for instance, a journalist was stopped at a checkpoint and
shot in the leg. Those who did that will be
held accountable as well. And she says, were the tribal
leaders informed or consulted before Hamas carried out these executions?
Al Mugi says, we stand with them completely, heart and soul.

(19:28):
We support and back every measure they've taken. If you
knew the extent of the corruption these people spread, you
wouldn't believe it. Then, she says, but how did Hamas
determine so quickly who was guilty of collaboration or treason?
And he says, because these were the very people stealing
and looting the aid trucks, robbing everything that was meant
for the people. For six months, not a single aid
package reached ordinary citizens because of them. They stole and

(19:51):
resold the food. They are killers, criminals, thieves, and they
had to be punished for what they did to their
own people. And then last one and then, because you
can get the point, says still there are fears this
could damage social cohesion after two years of war and bombardment,
Al Muney says, no, those carrying out these acts of
violence are Israel's agents, people created and supported by Israel.

(20:11):
The Moss Police gave them chances one, two, three to surrender.
Those who refused and kept spreading chaos had to be punished.
The people themselves demanded it. It goes on from there
where they are continuing to press him like come on this,
like this looks terrible. This can't be how we're going
to do this, and him saying no, it had to
be done. Towards the end of it, he's like, no,

(20:32):
we would have preferred a little bit more. Actually, it's
like he's like, this was the moderate yes approach to
these guys.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
The reason why I think this is what we were
talking in our preparatory call, and it reminded me of
some stories from Afghanistan in the nineteen nineties and actually
later on after the US occupation where in the nineties.
Now I'm not going to say entirely, but one of
the ways that the Taliban was able to win over
the civilian population is it's not a secret that widespread

(21:04):
rape and in particular rape of small boys batcha bazi
is a practice in Afghanistan that goes back centuries, and
it was being practiced in particular at that time of
the warlords, well the Taliban, because it believed in a
strict you know, interpretation of Sharia law equally applied that
across the board and executed many of the people who

(21:25):
are participating in the practice, and some of the villagers
who were like, well, you know, I don't love my
wife being shrouded in a burka, my daughter not being
able to school, but my sons are not at victim
of being ritually raped, right, And so they were able
actually to gain quite a bit of popularity through that
basically the exertion of law and order, not just on

(21:46):
the batch of basi practice, even the solicitation rape of
women with something that unfortunately you know, long with tribals,
you know, culture and all that, and no central body
of law and order. One of the ways again that
they were able to exert their control was by this
type of you know, coming in and exerting like absolute

(22:06):
punishment on criminality from rape to stealing to many of
these other types of crimes. And so you could exactly
see here first of all, how Hamas was able to
remain in power for some what seventeen years right in
Gaza in the first place. Actually, no, it was more
than that. So two thousand and five, almost nineteen twenty
years that was able to remain in power. But also

(22:28):
the central problem of how is somebody going to govern
this place? Right, because right now Israel has to withdraw
to some sort of line of control. Nobody really what
ten percent of something like that, and it's not exactly
clear at this time. Eventually somebody is going to have
to do that. So if you want them to disarm,
then there has to be something in its place. This
is exactly what happened in the occupation of Iraq, this

(22:50):
exact same story. Right, we came in, we overthrew Saddam,
We pursued stupidly, this policy of quote debating, the dumb
worst genuinely the only big mistake that secondary to the
invasion in the first place. Took away the weapons, confiscated them,
created a power vacuum which shakes and tribal warlords and

(23:11):
all these other people were able to move in and
created a complete sectarian breakdown and a literal civil war
that killed hundreds of US troops, Not to mention, who
even knows millions of probably io iraqis either killed or
wounded in the interim. This is the exact scenario we're
staring down because if we want Hamas to give up
all their weapons, which yeah, okay, but then somebody's got

(23:32):
to have some weapons, somebody's got to have some level
of control. Who's it going to be the UAE, the
United States, Saudi? Does the UAE really want to put
itself in the place of, you know, prosecuting victim of
victims of crime? I mean, the United Arab Emirates is
not a big nation. It's really not even Saudi Arabia.
These are not professional militaries with counterinsurgency experience. So this

(23:53):
is the nightmare that awaits whatever occupying force that will
eventually come into Gaza. And that's the big question. That's
why we highlight it is because this is the story. Now,
who's going to control this stuff? Trump actually seems to
be okay with it. He's like, yeah, I was okay
with it. To be honest with you, It's like, well,
if you are, then you all also kind of tacitly
are acknowledging or recognizing some sort of level of Hamas

(24:18):
political and law, like political control of Gaza. You have
to be able to fill that vacuum. If you don't,
which he also says at the same time, they'll disarm,
it can collapse into chaos immediately.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Right, And it shows that it has to be a
political solution because if Israel, with its endlessly supplied army
in two years, can't debilitate this disarmed force, the Amiriatis
are going to do it like the Indonesians, like who
are you going to and Trump's claim that We're going
to go in there and violently disarmed Hamas, we are

(24:53):
who do you mean we buddy like us, like the
American troops are going to go into Gaza and try
to disarm those guys when Israel had two years and
couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
So what you could see is what Hamas is floating here,
like okay, look, rockets like heavy weapons that can be
used for offensive projection. We will get rid of those.
We need a police force. Rename it. I mean it's
already they're not Humas. It's a police force. Hamas is
the overall government. Okay, this is the police force. And

(25:25):
then they have also said if there's a technocratic Palestinian
run government that government is the one that is armed.
Like they said, we recognize the kind of sovereern monopoly
on violence that a government has. You give us a government,
We're done. We're a national liberation movement. The nation's liberated.

(25:49):
We're finished. Here's the weapons. Those guys, some of them
fifteen sixteen years old at this point because of the
two years of slaughter. You know, they're going to first
of all put them in high school and college. But
then people can you know, move over into the actual army.
Uh So, yeah, there is a there's a path forward

(26:09):
for this, whether or not, and it seems like Trump
sees it.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
But whether or not, like.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeoh, how will that come about? Is exactly the question.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
And so on the way out.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
I know you guys talked about this yesterday, but just
incredible story over the weekend from unice to Rawi and Yanivkogen.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
It drops that you can put.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Up a eight uh and IDEAF actually claims to be
looking into this. And because they claim they're looking into it,
it's pick picking up some other coverage around the world.
The BBC covered at times, VI Israel covered it. Israeli
soldiers basically burned everything that they could on their way
out of Gaza City, including the biggest sewage treatment plant

(26:51):
in Gaza, which was built with basically German funding. H
We've been in touch with the German company in the
German investment groups. Like this is you know, serious amounts
of money that European countries put into this sewa treatment plant.
That Canada well down in southern Gaza was burned about
a year ago, which we reported on too. Obviously it's

(27:13):
called the Canada Well because Canada paid for it. So
Israel's going in here and burning all of this infrastructure
that European and other foreign governments you know, invested in
and paid for. And the result is that unless something
dramatic happens, raw sewage is just going to have to
be pumped into the Mediterranean. The Mediterranean runs its current

(27:36):
runs in a clock counterclockwise fashion, so picture of the
Mediterranean where Gaza is, you know, where the rest of
Israel is. So for no military purpose whatsoever, only to
act out some bizarre sadist impulses, they effectuated a situation
where raw suwage is going to be pumped into the

(27:57):
Mediterranean at a large scale and then float up onto
Israeli beaches. Like what are you guys doing sick, sick
real quickly. Before we move on, I did want to
talk about our second correspondent who was on the most

(28:17):
recent flowtil So there was there was the Global some
Mood flotilla, and then there was a flotilla right behind it.
The main ship was the Conscience an hour and we
had a correspondent on there, Noah Avishag Schnall, who was
just released a couple of days ago from Israeli detention

(28:38):
and was treated utterly horrifically. Wanted to just roll a
little bit that this is her. Just show you a
clip of her final dispatch for Drop Site from the Conscious,
and then show you what she looked like after she
got out of Israeli detention.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Hi, I'm no Avi Shaghnal giving another update from the
ship to Conscience, part of the Freedom Flowtella coalition for
Drop Site News. The brutality began immediately. We were taken
through multiple levels of administration and the first of many
strip searches. At least one woman has reported being physically
penetrated by guards who laughed at for pain. Many flotilla

(29:14):
members reported watching their valuables being looted by guards during
bag searches. All of us had our hands violently shoved
towards the ground and arms held in stressed positions behind us.
Many with zip ties and were led through processing and
sorted into groups of men and women, then blindfolded. Several

(29:34):
of the one hundred and fifty total flotilla members, including me,
were targeted for extreme brutality throughout in prison. I was
kicked out during the American's turn with the judge for
translating the events into English. Any flotilla member who upset
the Israeli guards was subjected to twisted and tightened handcuffs,
and some received beatings. I was hung from the metal
shackles on my wrists and ankles and beaten in the stomach, back, face, ear,

(29:59):
and skull by a group of men and women guards,
one of whom sat on my neck and face blocking
my airways. During the evening, the men were tormented by
guards with attech dogs and guns. The women were threatened
with pepper spray. Our cell was awoken with threats of rape. Wow.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yes, so if just because I think it's just impossible
to believe those two videos that we just showed you
are eight days apart, so you just scroll.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
This video back, see how she looks.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
And then the eight days ago.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
That's after being on a ship, you know, first good
amount of times fun.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
That kind of kind of beats you up. So it's
a you know, hopefully she'll be back pretty soon. We've
only been able to be in touch with her a
little bit through email.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
She sent that video. She sent that video in. She's
actually born in La so you know she's American as well.
She's of Jewish, of you many descent. I wonder if
like the fact that she's Jewish like angered them more
because her treatment was worse than a lot of the
other activists got in she was on. She was on
this non activist boat. They were like, we don't want

(31:10):
any activists. So the one she was on, it was
just journalists and medics.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Wow, that's it.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
She's a photo journalist, great photo journalists look her, look
her stuff up. And so I don't I don't know
if it's that, it's many the fact that she has
of many descent, like they felt like they could.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I just think it was a betrayed you know, they
feel betrayed, and so they wanted to treat her badly.
And I know that the US consulate and the US
embassy won won't.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Do anything, and she was in the she was in.
This was all happening while the ceasefire is getting agreed to,
and I think there was probably some taking the anger
out the fact that they're being forced to do the
ceasefire on the people that they had in their detention
really sick.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, thank you for the update, Ryan In, particularly for
explaining some of the postwar gaza stuff. It is very
useful Argentine which, oh man, there's just so much to
say here. Javier Milay got a king's welcome yesterday at
the White House. He appeared in a joint meeting with

(32:11):
the President in the Cabinet Room, where he was treated
to all of the pomp and circumstance. A reporter comes
in and asks Trump, what's the benefit in the United
States bailing out Argentina. Here's what Trump had to say.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
What's the benefits for United State in helping this way Argentina?

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Just helping a great philosophy take over a great country.
Argentina is one of the most beautiful countries that I've
ever seen, and we want to see it succeed. Very simple.
I mean, we don't have to do it. It's not
going to make a big difference for our country, but
it will in terms of South America. If Argentina does well,
you're going to have others following it.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, So it's a great philosophy over the country. Ryan.
If it's a great philosophy, and that philosophy is about
making money, and in particular it's about saving the economy,
then why do we need to bail out said philosophy
for twenty billion dollars? Can anybody riddle me that? Oh,
what's up with that?

Speaker 4 (33:07):
I think socialism in Argentina with an endless financial backstop
from the United States would also probably be pretty great
for well.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's called the Israeli model. The Israeli monitors is you
can provide free health care and you can literally pay
a significant portion of your population to not work and
to study the Torah as long as the United States
government provides you an endless blank check to allow you
to do whatever you want. Argentina has figured out the

(33:36):
Israeli model, where you can claim rigid and individual capitalism
and the savior of your economy as long as you
always have the fallback of a bailout from the United States.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Of America, Argentina is going to have to go occupy
that as well as oh yeah, that's part of the deal. Well,
Argentina to be it's going to be our aircraft carrier
in South America.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Argentinian occupation of course, in no way fits with their history.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I just pissed off a whole lot of people down
in South America, didn't I in particular? Though what I
liked here was Trump also making it explicit that if
Malay loses the election, so this is an existential question
now for the Argentinian people. If he loses, he will
stop bailing out Argentina. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
If the president doesn't win, I know the person that
he'd be running against. I believe probably we probably have
the person. A person is extremely far left and a
philosophy that got Argentina into this problem in the first place.
So we would not be generous with Argentina if that happened.
If he loses, we are not going to be generous

(34:39):
with Argentina.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
So if he loses, we will not be as generous. Now,
this entire thing, I know we've covered it in the past,
but it is just still so crazy and I actually
don't think that the White House Press Corps is pressing
Trump enough on this is in what world in the
middle of a government shutdown where you're slashing different program Fine,
some of the programs. Yeah, I have no issue with it.

(35:01):
Would like it to go through Congress and all that,
you know, the process. But fine, we could talk about that.
But in what world are you going to do that
and also live in this environment where the healthcare premiums
are about to go up. It's complicated, as we discussed yesterday.
But how can you say that while also bailing out
Argentina for twenty billion dollars. It doesn't fit at all,

(35:24):
except if it's about, you know, being Trump's friend. Let's
put this up here on the screen. Malay vowed to
fix Argentina's economy. Then came a new crisis. Quote President
Javier Malay slashed inflation and spending, but it wasn't enough
to stave off in economic crisis. President Trump has offered
him a lifeline.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Malay has served a major wave of optimism and that
you know, out of control inflation, slashed a bloated budget. Quote.
Even his painful fixes made life harder for people. His
popularity was built on the hopes that he may finally
succeed where his predecessors had stumbled, which is pulling Argentina
out of crisis. But he now finds himself in an
economic meltdown so severe that investors pan excelled the Peso

(36:05):
ditched Argentine assets, fueled panic over a default on the
nation's enormous international loans, prompting Trump to throw his ally
a twenty billion dollar bailout. The US Treasury said it
was quote ready to do what is needed to stop
markets from derailing mister Malay's agenda. Secretary Scott Besson says
that President Malay is restoring economic stability after decades of

(36:29):
Argentine mismanagement. So in order to help Javier malay economic philosophy,
we have to bail out Javier Malay. It doesn't it
doesn't square right, Well.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Let me let me help square it.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah, it's not about bailing out argis Oh okay, all right,
it's a bit. It's about bailing out Scott Besson's friends here, guys,
ready just to have you just be like, are you
fing kidding me? So, as you may have heard, Scott
Besont used to work for George Soros. So you might
be like, that doesn't sound possible, because I've been told
he's the devil, He's responsible for everything wrong that goes

(37:05):
on in this world. How is it possible that George
Soros's deputy's Treasury secretary under Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Sorry that that's so confusing to you. It's the it's
a fact.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Besson's colleague at that time was Rob Satrone at this
hedge fund, Rob Satron, Besson and Soros all went in
together on some massive trades together. Satrone. We talked about
it last week on This Reason podcast. He talked about
how he made like a billion dollars for Soros and
best In on this yen trade that they pulled off.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
It's very famous, one of the famous trades in history.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah, and so that's so this guy helped make Bessnt
fantastically rich on this yen trade that he did within Soros,
George Soros. This, yes, the the George Soros. Bessent went
long on Malay he was like, oh not Bestin'. Sorry,
well Bessin too, but yes, Citrone, Satron is still a

(37:58):
hedge fund guy.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Bessen now ex hedge fund guy, but probably not x.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
He bets heavily that Argentina is going to surge because
of Melay's genius, that Chainsaw is going to yield profits.
Yes for Citrones. Turns out that wasn't happening, So now
Satrone is staring down massive losses. Luckily for Citrone. The

(38:24):
guy he helped get rich under Soros is now the
Treasury Secretary, and so Besen is coming in giving a
whole bunch of money to Argentina to bail out his friend.
The fact that Argentina gets a bailout, they're just they're
collateral what would you call it, not collateral damage, they're
collateral victors. The collateral damage are the American farmers. Because

(38:49):
Malay immediately uses this lifeline that the US gives him
to cut all their export taxes on soybeans, China comes
in buys up all of our a ton of Argentina's
soybeans instead of buying American soybeans. Americans can't sell their
soybeans because Donald Trump is in a trade war with
our biggest soybean buyer, China. So yeah, that's actually how

(39:12):
it squares. Because if you're like, wow, I didn't know
Trump was so passionate. Yeah, about the virtue of libertarianism
in Argentina. It's like, no, he's not. This is about
enriching his cabala buddies, right.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
And the thing is to underscore what you said is
that in September twenty twenty five, Argentina suspended export taxes
on all goods, including soy, corn and with meat and
poultry that's through October to set an export volume that
it is reached. China then books a massive portion of

(39:46):
Argentinian soy at the exact same time that China refuses
to buy any soy from the United States. So you
have the soybean farmers in America who are getting screwed
over by the tariffs, in particular because China's retal we're
not gonna buy any soybeans. But at the same time
Argentina says, oh, we'll sell you this so man. Hey, listen,
we need money, all right, we need money right now.

(40:07):
And then the United States gives a twenty billion dollars
to the country, which is at the same time selling
the twenty billion dollars or the billions of dollars of
soybeans to China. So not only is it a shit deal,
we also are not getting anything out of it. At
the very least, it's like, hey, man, you're gonna have
to buy some soybeans or something. You've got to stop selling.
Sois something's got to square here, Like we got to

(40:29):
get something out of this deal. So even so in
the most strategic area, which has had its highest pain
point for the US soybean farmer, we are doubly screwing them.
And that was actually the point of a soybean farmer
who recently went viral. We played him here on the show.
He's like, so I'm getting zero and Argentina gets a
twenty billion dollar bailout. And the best part, Ryan, if

(40:50):
you can remind the audience, is Scott Beston is aware
of all of this. We know from his text messages
because you showed everybody his text messages.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, Brooke Rollins, who's the agriculture secretary, texted it looks
like Scott Bessen and JG who I'd love to think
is Jeffrey Goldberg, but it's probably James the Scott US
trade representative and says, hey, Scott, really unfortunate, really unfortunate here,
Just fyi, China just bought enormous amounts of soybeans after

(41:21):
you announce his bailout for Argentina because Arentina was able
to cut their export tariffs because we'ren't subsidizing both Argentina
and China so that she didn't mention so that your
hedge fund buddy can get bailed out of his stupid trade.
And also, like we talk about this financial sys and
these geniuses as if it's some meritocracy. They saw this

(41:44):
chainsaw wielding maniac and we're like, that's where we're putting
our money. That's a moron that should lose his money,
not get bailed out by his friend.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Right.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
He got the economics wrong, but he got the politics right.
And in this era it's more important to have the
politics right than it is to actually be right.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, And I think what is so what's so crazy
about it is the China angle. The fact that we're
just giving a blank check to a guy because Trump
likes him for basically no reason other than vibes. Right,
Like he came to the White House and just did
his like high energy show. It's like, dude, you failed,
like at the end of it, and listen, it's you know,

(42:24):
the defenders are like, well, decades if it's yeah, they're right, Okay,
I mean, yeah, Argentine has been a mess for what
since the seventies, Like it's just never had stable governance
or stable economy. It's like the proof case for white
Bitcoin and others, like other cryptocurrencies need to exist because
of the mess that they have down there. So I'm
not saying it's all entirely his fault, but the point

(42:46):
remains that the philosophy was built entirely on slashing, on
slashing and on you know, sovereignty, and what you ended
up needing is a complete bailout from the United States
at the same time when you're not even really giving
us anything. So it's probably one of the most direct
violations of any like America First agenda and.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Explicitly explicitly saying you're doing it to boost his party,
yes in the October twenty sixth midterms, right, and that
if they don't elect the right coalition, you're going.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
To take the money back. Like all right, yeah, It's
like again we're in this moment, Like what.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Is the point of investigative journalists If they just say it,
they say it, fell say it, they're just making us obsolutely.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
My suspicion is that Argentina has long been a hotbed
for crypto, and a lot of venture capitalist guys really
loved Javier oh sure, and so I personally think that
there's some sketchy stuff going on, yes with Melay, because
I mean, you know, he was courted by I mean
Elon Right, the entire kind of tech right ecosystem suckered

(43:54):
up to javey Am. I think they saw big bucks
to be made down there with the leverage, debt and
with everything. So my personal suspicion is that those people
are also making a buck out of this somewhere, or
had an investment which would have gone to zero based
on some sort of leverage bet with the Argentinian peso
that if it did go to zero, it would screw
over their fa I cannot prove that. I'm just saying

(44:14):
that's my personal suspicion.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah, I think this.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
I think this crew sees in Central America and Argentina
areas where capital slash crypto can actually completely triumph over
the state and just.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Just have sovereignty.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I'm going to do an I'll tell you, I'm a
bitcoin guy. Some of the og proof cases of bitcoin
is Argentina is that people had no because the currency
is constantly deflating exactly, is like deflating or inflating or
any of that. Booking real estate transaction in Argentinian paeso
is a fool errand right thirty people see exactly. They're like,
who knows what the price is going to be. And

(44:52):
so some of the original like real deals current on
houses or real estate were settled on bitcoin because they
were like, well, it's at very least like yes, it fluctuating,
but fluctuating, but it's subject to a different market than whatever.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
The hell is going on down here. So I mean, look,
I understand that Argentina is with the way their economy
is wrong. Argentina need is a constitutional convention. Their system
is incapable.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I wish I knew more about it. I need to
go down there. I need to go down They do
love Argentina.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
They have like eight they have like eight factions that
all have veto like choke points and nothing can nothing
can get done. It's it's a disastrous system, all right,
well and it's almost nope, it's I need to go.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Investigate for myself. In particularly want to go down In
December whenever it's summer down there, and then also need
to go down to Patagonia. Okay, let's go over to
the data centers turning out data centers. There is some
grassroots political energy against the rising data it's centers across
the entire nation, which is sucking up electricity and driving

(45:53):
up power bills. Just put this up here on the screen.
This is from Dave Weigel over at Semaphore. He writes, quote,
as electric bills rise, candidates in both parties blame data centers,
and he in particularly highlights a few local incidents which
kind of show you where the major grassroots energy is.
And this is entirely bipartisan. So for example, this was
a Friday night dueling candidates for a Board of supervisor's

(46:16):
seat in a suburban county in Gainesville, Virginia, and this
was in the middle of a debate. A candidate, Patrick Harters,
who is the Republican, says, I think we should personally
block all future data centers. His Democratic opponent then agrees
the quote the crushing and overwhelming weight of data centers
is a crisis with massive companies quote having us as

(46:36):
residents pay for their energy as electricity bills rise. A
growing number of US candidates in both parties are pointing
to high energy costs of data centers booming thanks to
tech companies AI investments, and here in Virginia or where
we live in Virginia, which is where we have off
elections in twenty twenty five, it's actually becoming a live
issue and they point specifically to how the more establishment

(46:59):
like can it is like the current governor, Glenn Youngkin
has called data centers quote an immense opportunities for localities
across the commonwealth and actually vetoed a bill, it was
a may veto over regulatory bill which would have tried
to look at data center energy demand. But now there
is actually a fight in the gubernatorial election where the

(47:22):
Republican candidate who is the GOP nominee, is sticking with
him on the issue. But Abigail Spanberger, the more establishment
Cia bat literally literally Cia, not sajoke, actual Cia, which
you know, I guess is a good representative for northern Virginia.
And what they say, what she said is on the
issue is she's kind of wishy washy and tried to

(47:45):
make it more about building power, but she's actually facing
some grassroots from the Democratic Party. So one senator, local
state senator said, quote, my advice to Abigail has been
look at where the citizens of Virginia aren't on data centers,
And she specifically says there are a lot of people
willing to be single issue split ticket voters based on this.
The Republican candidate sidestep the issue. But this just demonstrates

(48:08):
how the data center issue I've seen the city of
Tucson just rows up against one in the state of Virginia.
They point actually to Faz Shakir, the former campaign manager
for Bernie Sanders, who has been funding or helping efforts
across the nation to rise up against data centers. This,
in my opinion, is the sleeper populous issue across the

(48:29):
entire nation. Whoever wants to grab it by the horns
and rip, you're ready to roll. Nobody wants to pay
two hundred and sixty seven percent more for electricity bill
for AI pornography, which I'll get to here in a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Yes, and like the.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Way this works is that the data centers come in,
they don't bring their own energy supply with them, Like
that could be the solution to this.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Hey, you want to build a data center.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
You are a multi trillion dollar company, go figure out
how to power it. We'll build a solar farm somewhere.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Go build again.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Well, that should be the requirement needs to be. If
you're going to build it, you have to pay for it,
and not just in terms of driving an electricity price.
You have to prove to the county or to whatever
the locality or the state that in exchange for coming here,
you will build a power source that will at the
very least power Now, in my opinion, shouldn't even be
that it should you need to build power source that

(49:19):
also give back to the community. But we can cross
that bridge a little bit later.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Instead, they want tax breaks, yes, and they want.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Giveaways, which is what they're getting and buying large that's
entirely what they're getting, right, They're not paying anything. And
the way your power bill works in general is that
the utility goes to the regulator, and because they're the
most highly regulated thing in the country, the utility goes
to the regulator and says, look, here's the demand that
we are facing currently, here's the demand that we're projecting

(49:46):
out over the next ten years. Here's the supply of
power that we're projecting out over the next ten years,
supply and demand, and here is the price that we
need to charge the rate payers in or to make
are mandated by law, like three percent, five percent, whatever
their profit is by law. So therefore, the two factors

(50:08):
that go into it, what the regulators tell the utilities
they can charge you is the amount of supply and
the amount of demand. The big beautiful Bill took something
like ten percent, like roughly maybe ten percent is a
conservative estimate of future power production over the next like
ten years, like offline, So ten percent less supply coming in,

(50:33):
and it also supercharged the AI boom and everything else.
So these data centers, like you said, forty percent eating
up forty percent in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yes, for thirty three percent in the state of Oregon.
That's where I'm like, Oregon, wake up, where are you guys?
You're a Democrat run state. Theoretically you shouldn't be wanting,
you know, thirty three percent of all power generation to
be going to data centers, which is just which they're
probably I have no proof of this, but I just
off the top of my head. Organs here, Northern California's here.

(51:02):
Why are Northern California companies which are technology, building a
data center, an organ My guest is something to do
with regulation and or tax break. It has to be right.
Why else will we be sucking up thirty three percent
of power Do something about it? You know you're going
to You're screwing your small state. You can't afford for
one third of all your power to go to a
single you know, a single industry.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
It's nuts, and it takes If you wanted to build
a gas turbine Trump wants to do fossil fuels. If
you want to build do a gas turbine, it would
take at least seven years to get it online. If
you started right now, Nuclear power plant ten about fifteen seven.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I mean the most hopeful.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Case solar you can get up in like two years,
you know, wind like two years, And just getting it
in the pipeline actually changes those those two kind of
graph lines because now your projected supply is higher in
the future, so the amount that they can ask the
regulators to be able to charge you is less. So

(51:59):
even if the powers not online yet, your price still
goes down, assuming that it's going to come. So that's
why Trump taking all of this clean energy offline is
driving up prices like right now, especially as the supply
crunch is hitting. Yeah, it's all for so important, a
little bit of aiporn.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yes, so let's get to that now. And I haven't
been more worried about this than anything in a long
I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming,
but I didn't expect it to be announced like this.
Let's put it up here on the screen. Long winded,
proud announcement from Sam Almon. I'll read it in full.
We made chatchpt pretty restrictive to make sure we were
being careful with mental health issues. We realized this made

(52:39):
it less useful and enjoyable to many users who had
no mental health problems, but given the seriousness of the issue,
we wanted to get this right. Now that we have
been able to mitigate the serious mental health issues and
have new tools, we are going to be able to
safely relax the restrictions in most cases. In a few weeks,
we plan to roll out a new version of chatchpt,

(53:00):
which will allow people to have a personality that behaves
more like what people liked about one of the original models.
If you want your chat gpt to respond in a
very human like way, or use a ton of emoji,
or act like a friend. Chat gpt should do it,
but only if you want it not Because we are
quote usage maxing in December, as we roll out age

(53:20):
gating more fully as part of our quote treat adult
users like adults principle, we will allow even more like
erotica for verified adults. Okay, let me sit with this,
because he says we have to be careful with mental
health issues. Now that we have put into place some restrictions,

(53:41):
we are going to allow and say, chat gpt to
act more like a friend and particular like your girlfriend.
And that's why it won't do anything for mental health issues,
right Ryan. Famously, people who want chat gpt to talk
to them like their girlfriend and produce use personalized pornography

(54:02):
have nothing going on in terms of them, and that
definitely won't do anything about their mental state. And then second,
just the casual nature of personalized erotica for verified adults.
Combine that with sora okay ai porn. It's here. We
all knew it was coming, but this is what we're
all paying this extra money for. It to this data

(54:25):
center to crunch all of the GPU power source so
that literal like, so that teenagers and others can be
sitting around producing personalized AI porn. Also this if you
wanted to say, like, if you wanted to design something
that was going to destroy America, you would start with
something which is a quasi useful technology, and you would

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get everybody on better Google Search, better Google Search, and
you would get everybody on it, and you say, this
isn't that, but you can't do certain things right. And
then what you would do is you would make sure
that every teenager or young person is using that technology.
And once they're using the technology, hey, by the way,
you know, you can also use it for pornography purposes.

(55:10):
And so now all of a sudden you have a
vast surveillance machine which you use for your finances, for
your Google Search, and to produce your highly personalized, disgusting
sexual fetishes. And it creates the greatest blackmail machine known
to mankind. That's number one. Number two is what would

(55:32):
you design to urrascinate and to destroy the American mail
more so than something like chat GPT, which is to
decrease social interaction, to increase time on platform, then personalized
AI pornography and at the same time roll up billions
and billions of dollars in profit and use that profit
to make sure that you lobby against any any social

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force that tries to restrict this type of technology in
the hands of children of teenage of young people, and
to make sure that the time on platform is maximized
to win. This is what it looks like. So, you know,
we had a theory we talked about with Crystal yesterday AGI.
The theory was is AI would win by producing artificial
general intelligence. What if AI wins by just taking over

(56:17):
your entire life? All right, they don't have to create
AGI if they can poison your mind with pornography, and
they can poison your mind with I'm sure you can
be able to game in chat GPT. And by the way,
the best part is you are. We already know where
this is going. Chat GPT has already said they're floating
the ability to put ads in the feed. So while
you're designing your perfect girlfriend who will talk to you

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and who you will continue to stare at, you'll just
get a few ads and here or there.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
The girlfriend does one or two.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah, you know, and soon there's going to even be
an AI robot or some sort of like device or
something like that which you can use to enact more
of your AI fantasy out on. I mean, this is
out of a movie, but it's not. It's this is
real life, like, this is actually happening. I cannot think

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of a single like and what really gets me. I
don't see a single lawmaker doing anything about this. I
don't see a single lawmaker even reacting to this proud
announcement we're doing porn, We're no, how about no, how
about actually no, it's not happening. It's actually not happening.
And I love how they frame it as like treat

(57:27):
adults like adults. I'm like, uh, well, how has that
worked out with all of these other extractive industries porn, weed,
video games, all these other things. I just, I genuinely
this is the stuff that makes me turn me into
like a conspiracy theory. So I'm like, maybe this is
part of the plan, man, this is the plan. I
can't think of another thing that would be better designed

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to neuter the entire country and to make you as
addicted as humanly possible. Soon, there's gonna be gambling in there.
You know, it's gonna be like a video game. Literally
your entire life is to be ready player one and
you're gonna be living in a fucking trailer. And Sam
Altman's apparently drives like a multi million dollar car, and
it's going to be rolling around with children's blood, being
with a yeah likeeitsellary and nonprofit salary rolling around is

(58:13):
a multi billionaire getting transfusions of you know, blood to
live to the age two hundred and fifty, and that's
what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
And then on top of that, it destroys critical thinking skills.
Of course, there's plenty of studies plus your own intuition.
If you drove around this world before ways in Google Maps,
you had a better sense of direction, You could get
around better. And studies are definitive on this question that

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once people start using this assisted driving, like you can
go left here, go right here, you your sense of
direction diminishes. Overall, the exact same thing is going to
happen to your general ability to think. The more you
outsource the work of thinking to these chatbots, the less

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you're going to be able to think. So, on the
one hand, we've been wondering, when is this you know,
superhuman AI going to become smarter now than the average people. Actually,
maybe it doesn't have to because we're just going to
keep getting stupider and stupider, like we're making it easier
for them to win the race because we're going backwards.
I'm trying to think what the in a show where

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we should be having like both sides here, Like, what's
the case the.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Case for the same libertarian case. Well, frankly, no offense,
Ryan's it's the same case you've been making about drugs
is let people do. Let people do what they want,
all right, people are adults.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Does But that's only the case as a libertarian would say,
you know, you're you're like right to swing your arm
ends at my nose. And if if this is driving
up everybody's energy costs, it's going to a great rolling blackouts.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yes, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Then when I say, well that's that's my thing about
drug everyone, Oh, I have a right to do what
I want. Really, you have the right to dry drive
high on weed. You you have the right to shoot
heroin in the street.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I'm with you on that. Okay, it needs to be
heavily regulated.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah, but yeah, but it all ends at legalized weed.
And then after that, the conversation ends right and it
turns out oops, Ohio. New study shows that forty percent
of all car crashes involved excessive amounts of THHD in
the system to cause impairment. Forty percent of fatal car
crashes had people with excessive amounts of THHD do cause impairment.

(01:00:32):
And you know what the most of the replies I
got to that was is I drive fine high on weed.
This allow my tangent.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
A lot of people drive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Find does anybody defend drunk driving, even the drunks. Nobody
has the balls to say, actually, maybe in the nineties
they used to, but in the age of uber and
nobody has the balls to say, actually, I'm a good
drunk driver. You know, I proudly drive drunk. It's only weed.
Only weed is the only drug where people are what's

(01:01:02):
the issue? The only thing you're going to see is
people slowing down at a red light. Well, it didn't
work out for the forty percent of people who died
in a fail car crash, did it? Okay? And so
this is the same thing. And I'm glad you made
that point. The socialized cost of degenerate behavior is one
that all of us have to deal with when we
allow mass sports betting. We are de facto creating a

(01:01:22):
financial system which screws over all of us through credit markets,
through credit to everything right. Also, the amount of social
services needed to deal with the rise of gambling addicts,
the amount of domestic violence, the highest suicide rate of
literally any addiction that's out there, that's drugs, that's gambling,
video games. That's another one we talked a lot about
with the discord or TikTok addiction critical thinking. I mean,

(01:01:45):
what is the mass social cost of an entire generation
that loses the ability to critically think and to hold
an attention span for more than ten minutes? And now
you add AI pornography, and I mean think, just anyone
can imagine Roan, you and I have been thirteen, fourteen
years old before Probably we're social outc I could speak
for myself. I don't know about you, about anybody involved

(01:02:05):
in this job, probably was at some point of that.
What if to say, I shit was around, then talk
to me as a friend. I'm having trouble at school.
It's you know, listen, it's something, But part of it
is it forces you to actually be like, Okay, well
I got to figure this out, you know, got to
live my life, everybody. But this gives you an exit option.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Everyone in middle school struggles, right, exactly one. Everyone developing
into your right, into your personhood, of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Course, and it can take a long time, right. And
this is no shot at anybody who is out there,
but I'm saying, hey, maybe a little bit of friction
that forces you to actually socialize or go do something,
figure out who you are. That's probably a good thing.
But this is the exit option. And I mean the
Internet already kind of was that way, the Gen one Internet,
but this is taking it to a whole new level.
And I think that's what's so scary about it. And

(01:02:49):
so that's just the social cost. I don't know. If
you're a parent out there, please keep your kids away
from this stuff. Please. That's all we can say. Because
the politicians, the regulators, they're doing nothing about it. There
is a phone free movement right now with schools, which
I think is amazing. I know Denmark is looking at
banning school phones in school, but for every Denmark there's

(01:03:11):
I don't know, there's so many school administrators and others
and it's just like, oh yeah, it's just the fact
of life. And parents defend it, I don't. I mean,
read the Jonathan hypebook and do what you can. I
don't know what else to say, but it's hard to
swim against the tide. It's very hard in a world
where something like fifty percent of people, fifty percent of children.
I think it's like under age of twelve have access
to an iPad like their own.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
IMAD not good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
The libertarian argument, I get, it's a thing that's been around,
but I don't actually understand how that argument leads you
conclude that actually.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
It'll also be good for us. Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Okay, you just love freedom, no matter what the costs.
I'm trying to think of any possible way that that
AI that unleashing AI porn on top of all the
gambling that we've got going on everything else, reducing the

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amount of power supply that we have at the same
time jacking up everybody's electricity bills, and how that leads
to a better country.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Well, let's double click even more on the energy. So
let's put this up here on the screen. There's a
study after study, and all this stuff is starting to
come out and actually credit some mainstream media people are
actually waking up. So for example, They highlight this more
recent case. Google recently courted the township of Franklin, Indiana,
where it would construct a giant campus to house computer

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hardware that powers its business. But the company needed to
rezone four hundred and fifty acres of Indianapolis suburb. Residents quote,
we're not having it, mainly because they thought the facility
would consume huge amounts of water and electricity while delivering
few local benefits. A lawyer representing Google confirmed at a

(01:04:58):
September meeting the company was pulling its data center proposal,
and cheers erupted from sign waving residents. This is now
a trend which is happening across the country, and almost
all that comes back to electricity, because what they point
to exactly is that the computing power a typical AI
data center uses as much electricity as one hundred thousand households.

(01:05:23):
The largest data center under development will consume two million
households worth of electricity. That's according to the International Energy Agency.
They quote also suck up billions of gallons of water
for systems to keep all of that computer hardware cool. Hmm.

(01:05:44):
Then you also have McKenzie out with a new study.
Can we put C four please up there on the screen.
Here is the same thing. There's actually this new McKinsey
study which looks specifically at driving power demand across the country,
and they cite the exact same setstistics where they look.
What they do is they look through the growing amount

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of power demand forecasted relative to data center and they
find the exact same thing that across the nation, the
single most driving force of power usage will all come
from data center construction across the nation. Now, as you know,
to split the difference here, you have two options. One
of the reasons why there is no one of the

(01:06:26):
reasons why there's no controversy over data centers in China
is they have a ship ton of electricity, so that
that would be great. I would love to live in
that country. I people are surely nobody can. If the
power bill is low, No one cares. That'd be that's
the ideal, the lock the view, Yeah as whatever, all right, Yeah,
build them in the middle of nowhere, go for it.

(01:06:47):
Everybody's got no power. As long as stealing anybody's land,
we're cool. Uh. Here's the issue, as you just described
with the build back or whatever the OBBB, not only
cutting solar and wind, which, look, I have a lot
of problems for solar and win, but if you're not
going to back it up with new oil refineries, new
LNG plants, new nuclear power reactors, then the interim state

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is where we are right now, where everybody just has
to pay more, okay, and it's still going to take
a decade or so to get there. So the data
center construction is going to go like this, whereas the
new power demand is basically flat and eventually goes up
a little bit in ten years. What's going to happen
ten years from now. So then the other is what
we have proposed here. It's like, okay, you want to
build it, fine, you have to prove to the county,

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to the state and everyone that you are not only
going to have enough power that you're going to build
to supply yourself because the profits are so great, right
and you're already investing all these billions, then you're going
to have to do that. In my opinion, you also
have to be able to supply the rest of the
grid to make sure that not only are powering yourself,
you're also helping out the community and providing some set benefits.
But Instead, what's happening is like Virginia and the rest

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of these state localities, they get fooled into, Oh there's
going to be some jobs. What jobs? Few jobs. The
vast majority of the profit is going to Silicon Valianto,
Google Stock. Maybe you get to clean the data. Sen
there's a janitor, right, Okay, That's basically where we are.
So I'm worried about it. I'm worried about it, Ryan.
I think it could be one of the central, one

(01:08:10):
of the central political issues of our time. And the
White House doesn't care. No state and local politician has
come out with a forceful demand yet, and I just
don't get it. I'm like, why are you people so
asleep at the wheel?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
And I think also it also stands in for who
governs us?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Do we govern ourselves? Are we a democracy that wants
to chart our own course? Or are we just governed
by these AI overlords and they just tell us what
we have to eat, I think, and how much we
have to pay to eat it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I think we know the answer to them, at least
currently