10/17/25: Zohran DOMINATES, Shapiro CONDEMNS Young GOP Chat, Dem On Kill Tony

The Breaking Points team discusses the NYC mayoral debate between Cuomo, Zohran and Sliwa, the "young" Republican group chat leaks, and we're joined again by Delaware's State Rep Medinah Wilson-Anton who recently did a stand up set on Kill Tony. 

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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hey guys, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Hey, good Mornerful, how are you, Griffin?

Speaker 5 (00:36):
We just discovered as munched on a zen.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
The six milligram.

Speaker 7 (00:40):
We're talking about Young Republican group chat, So I'm getting
a characters.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah. I was at that Oval Office press conference yesterday
and I was watching Bobby Kennedy and he was going
to town on his.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
ZEN the sperm count press conference.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yes, the spermcount press press conference. You have to have
Zen if you're talking about spermcount and you're not nicotine
to the Gills, then you're doing it wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
They put Sperman dose.

Speaker 8 (01:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Point, Now, anyway, a bunch of stuff. I think we're
gonna start with Zoron's debate right last night, Well, I
mean there were other people there. Obviously, there's a new
poll I don't know if you guys saw from Fox
News that has him over fifty percent. He's actually gained
ground since Eric Adams dropped out. He's the one who's

(01:30):
actually benefited, which is hilarious. So he's a fifty two percent.
Cuomo was at like thirty twenty eight something like that,
and when they tested on the issues, he beats Cuomo
on every issue, including like crime.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
So it's it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
You can imagine if you're still supporting Eric Adams at
this point in Eric Adams' career, you're not actually going
to move over to Cuomo. You're not looking for a
Cuomo type at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's right, right, yes, and people.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Your Sliwa or your Zorien at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
If people don't understand how much these people like hate
each other too, you know, it's not like like hates
Andrew Cuomo. So the idea he would drop out of
the race in order to assist Andrew Cuomo was always
somewhat preposterous. But you have to know something about these
personalities to understand that.

Speaker 9 (02:20):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:20):
That's a great example, which leads to our first clip
where Sewa calls up, calls out Cuomo about who will
stand up to Trump.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 10 (02:29):
Why because I said to him, don't you dare? We
don't need it? And he backed down and he will again.

Speaker 8 (02:37):
The president is going to back down to you, Andrew Cuomo.
I know you think you're the toughest, but let me
tell you something. You lost your own primary right, you
were rejected by your Democrat. You have a difficult understanding
what the term is not star.

Speaker 9 (02:59):
You're not going to stand up.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I agree with Curtis and he.

Speaker 10 (03:02):
Can't stand up to Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (03:04):
Who negotiate with him. Only the people of New York
City will lose.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Why so good knocked him right on his took.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Us makes you want to live in New York City?

Speaker 8 (03:18):
Man?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know it to be? It does?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
It makes me like so nostalgic for when I did
live in New York City and Sleiwa I used to
do so when I first started going on cable news,
Fox News as Democrat is the easiest place to get on.
So I was on Fox News and Fox Business all
the time, and Sleiwa was a regular character, especially on
Fox Business. So I met him in the green room,

(03:41):
you know, and was on panels with him all the time.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
And he's just such a.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Specific New York character that you can't help but feel
some like level of affection for the guy, especially when
he's you know, knocking Cuomo out with such a great
like such a great banger line there, so good.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I love people who actually believe in what they're saying,
you know, Like that's a different to Crystal's point, it's
a different kind of politician. He is one of those politicians.
He's like a It's like if Bernie Sanders were a
right wing New Yorker, I could see it.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
Yeah, Bernie with that hat would go hard true, be
a different election. So yeah, and Slee would also. He
also took hits at Zoran over the night he did.
Sleeve was doing this funny thing where he would gesture
to both Cuomo and Zoron and say, Cuomo, you're the architect, uh,
Zoron you're the you're the apprentice, and they're both the same,

(04:33):
and they're both going to uh, you know, ruin New
York City. And he made this point that even Zoron
won't be able to stand up to Trump because you
don't you don't bully Trump, you negotiate with Trump, or
Trump will pull the funding for New York City.

Speaker 9 (04:47):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Interesting, Yeah, so trying to use like Trump has threatened
to pull funding for New York City, So trying to
use that as like, you know, his own campaign argument,
like using the mob boss's threat against soor On. H
how much of the so I didn't watch the whole thing,
how many how many Israel questions were there? How much
should he get into the weeds of Tel Aviv policy?

Speaker 6 (05:09):
It was light.

Speaker 7 (05:09):
It was only like forty five minutes of the first
hour wherever watch So it was do we have Yeah,
let's take a look. And you know, it revolved mainly
around Cuomo. Coomo would bring it up even if that
wasn't really the question. But first let's do some call
outs here from Cuomo that include another streamer that he

(05:32):
mentioned as well.

Speaker 10 (05:34):
I did deploy President Trump and his administration. I think
it was a great accomplishment. I hope the piece hold
the Chiron the assemblyman will not announced Hamas announce Hassan Piker,
who said the assembly said who's response?

Speaker 7 (05:52):
All right, so that's Hassan reacting to it a little bit.
If you're confused on the.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Post, will you condemn Hassan Piker, Sun Piker Hamas.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
And then yeah, Hassan the three h's.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, I mean, but seriously think about this. Let's think
about this for real. Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Cuomo went hard on this direction, not Hassan Biker specifically,
but on like Zoron's and anti Semite in the primary,
and he got his ass handed to him by you know,
twelve points overwhelming, come from behind, like all of that,
and Jewish New Yorkers are majority of them have been
supporting Zoran, So how did you not learn from that?

(06:34):
That actually part of Zoran's appeal was that he had
a different perspective on Israel and was always able to
like pivot back to yeah, but with like why why
are we focused on this and not New York City affordability?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
How did he not learn any of that?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
And who is in his ear advising him that here
we are, what two three weeks out from the from
election day that you should be raising Hassan Piker as
a major issue, Like, do you think that New Yorkers
are really you know, this is the litmus test that
New Yorkers are divided along whether or not you will
condemn Hassan Piker just on every I mean, I don't know.
It's just complete insanity to me.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Or steel Man Ryan, you go first, and then I'll
steal Man.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
I just say, if that didn't work in the primary,
I can't think of who the voter is. To Chrystal's point,
who it's going to work on like in the general
by just dialing it up a little bit more. Yeah,
it just doesn't make sense unless Cuomo was thinking about
his post like mayoral campaign career. Like when he was

(07:34):
thrown out of the Governor's mansion, the first thing he
did is get a whole bunch of pro Israel money
together and set up this organization that he said was
going to combat anti Semitism. At the time, Scott Stringer said,
this sounds like a fake vehicle for his mayoral campaign,
and he's not actually going to spend any of this

(07:55):
money fighting anti Semitism. Scott Stringer turned out to be
precisely correct. It became a vehicle for his mayoral campaign.
In the meantime, he volunteered to serve as one of
ben Benjamin Netanya, who's defense attorneys at his Crime against
Humanity tribute. Incredible, So you can imagine like, if that's
what he understood his career path to be after the

(08:18):
governor's mansion, he's probably going back to that well after
the mayoral race. So this may be less about something
that's going to work for him strategically in the campaign
and more like, well, let me just kind of phone
the runway for my landing here, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
That's interesting, And that Hassan Piker, he would see his
n piker is useful to him and setting himself up
for that post failure career is interesting. I don't know,
it's uh, I mean, it's just wild to watch, Like
it seemed like like a dream.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
Here's an disavowing US on genocide.

Speaker 11 (08:59):
And I find the comments that Hassan made on nine
to eleven to be objectionable and reprehensible. And I also
think that part of the reason why Democrats are in
the situation that we are in of being a permanent
minority in this country is we are looking only to
speak to journalists.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with all that.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Yeah, taking it rough. Ryan's probably right, Crystal's probably right.
I guess if you were. If I'm putting myself in
the shoes of someone who is more right leaning, who
is a Zionist, and they see a content creator as
big as Hassan or whatever associating so closely with the campaign,
I guess it makes sense to mention it. Like if
I were to say the reverse or reverse example, Let's

(09:40):
say there's a right wing politician that hangs out with
Nick Fuentes a lot, maybe someone would mention that on stage.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
They would definitely mention it on stage. But I mean,
this was the tactic that ones are on Mom Donnie
the primary against all the odds. Granted, Cuomo's a terrible candidate,
but he is a w name recognition of money. As know,
was constantly driving home the question of affordability, which we
saw him just do again on that Martha McCollum interview
on Fox News. Ask him about Israel and Hamas he

(10:10):
returns to affordability almost immediately. He does not waste breath
on the culture war trap questions. And so I'm not
even saying some of those questions are entirely objectionable, unlike
these debate questions. But how Andrew Cuomo has like the
lack of humility to learn from that is astound. I
mean it's not astounding, it's not surprising or anything like that.

(10:31):
But he had this example on a silver platter of this,
like New York was crying out for someone who just
would talk about making life easier and cheaper in the
city and more just in the city, and he can't,
Like that's all he has to do. I get it,
I get it. He's behind double digits, though, so you'd
think maybe he would come up with a new tactic.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, I think the only thing. I think the only
thing that could save him now is like a three
hundred thousand word bill Ackman post. That's I think the
only thing that could help me pull it off here
in the end.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, a dollar for work actman.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Came up the debate. Yeah, I'm done. He made fun
of them for having act He made fun of him
for having actment support.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I think.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Another place where Zorn started to have to tread some
water and sort of was in sort of the hot
seat for a second was on the subject of policing
That was another area that Cuomo was hitting Zoron on, saying, oh,
look at all he's mentioned all these tweets that have
been deleted or sends from Zorn. He mentioned Zoron flipping
off the Christopher Columbus stat you in like twenty twenty,

(11:34):
and I think it was a moment where the moderators
as Zoron, Okay, you've changed your position since twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty tweets, what was the journey that made you evolve,
that made you change your position on the police department,
on defunding the police. And then Zoron had to sort
of wade through a lot of the twenty twenty politics,

(11:57):
He had to mention George Floyd, and it did feel
like the area where Zorn was on the most shaky
ground the entire night.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know, I saw him in the Martha McCallum interview
where she was like, will you apologize for these tweeks?
And what I thought was effective was he was just like, yes, absolutely, yes,
I've been apologizing privately. I'm happy to offer that apology
here publicly. And it felt so like not Weasley. You know,

(12:27):
it's very hard for anyone really to be like, yeah,
I was told I totally was wrong about that.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Just I will apologize.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I'm not couching it, and like, if you were offended,
then here's my journey and here's why I was actually right.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And by doing it so forth rightly, it kind of
gave her no nothing to work with. You know, there
was no real follow up question that she could do
from that.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
I think that's totally right.

Speaker 9 (12:51):
They want to broad public apology for the things that
you suggested about them, Will you do that right now?

Speaker 11 (12:57):
Absolutely, I'll apologize to police officers right here, because this
is the apology that I've been sharing with many rank
and file officers. And I apologize because of the fact
that I'm looking to work with these officers, and I
know that these officers, these men and women who serve
in the NYPD, they put their lives on the line
every single day. And I will be a mayor that
wills it. You know, I moved to the city when
I was seven years old. I grew up here and

(13:18):
two of the things that I thought often about was
safety and justice. And growing up here, learning about the
case of the exonerated five, learning about Sean Bell, learning
about Eric Garner, learning about Michael Brown. And then in
twenty twenty, the year where all of these tweets are
referring to, it was the year when George Floyd was
killed and it felt like safety and justice had never

(13:39):
been further apart. And it was actually Eric Adams in
twenty twenty one who said that New Yorkers need not
choose between these two things. And so one of my
focuses was how do we deliver that justice? And now
what I know, having represented one hundred thousand people in
Western Queens, is that to deliver that justice, you have
to also deliver that safety. And that means representing the
men and women in the NYPD. It means reps venting

(14:00):
the black and brown New Yorkers who've been victims of
police brutality. It means representing the most of the New
Yorkers in my district who are surveilled on the basis
of their faith.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
All right, kay, just it does a much like slicker,
media trained version of Zoron in some ways that I
don't know if you guys have the same take. When
I saw that interview, I was like, he's he's really
playing it safe. Now He's updouble digits, and he's feeling conservative,
like lowercase C conservative about the interviews at that point.

(14:29):
But yeah, I agree, Crystal. When you just say yes,
apologize like that is the one thing politicians are trained
not to do is to just speak like normal human
beings and like yeah, of course. So it makes sense
that his campaign, being more in touch with new media
and where institutional trust is incredibly low among the public,

(14:50):
understands that.

Speaker 9 (14:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
And I think too obviously there's a you know, a
campaign reason for this, and public safety continues to be
a large concern for New Yorkers. As I mentioned before
in Fox News Poole, he's actually leading among the candidates
on public safety, which kind of extraordinary, especially given some
of his past comments and given the fact that you know,
the last election went to Eric Adams, who was a

(15:12):
former police officer and ran on like we're going to
ramp up the police and all of those sorts of things.
I also think there's a governing reason to do it.
I mean, he is going to need to work with
the NYPD, and especially if you have and which I
think is very likely a similar like federal agent invasion
as they've done in Chicago. You are really going to

(15:33):
need to work with the NYPD, and you know, in
order to protect citizens of New York from this federal
agents that have been you know, whether it's ICE or
CBP or FBI or whoever is rolling the streets and
masks and like you know, ramming their cars into vehicles
and abducting people off the street and beating them up
and spranging them with pepper, pepper spray, et cetera. You know,

(15:55):
you're going to need to have an effective collaborative relationship
with the NYPD. So I think from like a tactical
governing sense, there's a practical reality there too.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
One of those Yeah, Rian, what you got you now?

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Just one other thing from the poll that Crystal mentioned. Yeah,
Jewish voters, according to this Fox News poll, currently forty
two for Cuomo, thirty eight for Mom Donnie, and thirteen
for U Sliwa, So fifty eight percent against Cuomo. But
you know, within the margin of.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
VA, he is edging, but he is edging Mom Donnie. Interesting, Yeah,
so I guess there is more of a constituency and
a general election of more conservative Jewish voters, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
But it's really within the margin of era there, soaking
back and neck.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Also such a statement on like if you told somebody
in twenty twenty two, like if you just wrote this
out on paper and said a candidate who just posted
a couple of years ago, queer liberation means defunding the
police is going to be ahead in the mayoral race
and probably is going to be the They would be like, well,
what had to happen for that to be the reality?
And it's like you ran Andrew Cuomo. You ran Andrew

(17:09):
Cuomo and got everything behind him. Because the crime issue
for New Yorker's obviously friend of mine. So it's a
testament a to how Mom Donnie has handled it obviously,
but also just the awfulness of his opponents too that
I think have made it much easier for his message
to land.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, and Zoren is going to be such an important
figure once he is mayor of New York because I
have no doubt that Trump is going to want to
pick a fight with him.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I have no doubt that there's going to be.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
A huge spectacle that we are all you know, in
store for here. And you know, Trump has being a
New Yorker himself and having this big chip on his
shoulder about how like Manhattan elites never accepted him as
part of the like upper crust. And then you've got
this young, good looking, charismatic socialist who's like, you know,
everybody's falling in love with and falling over themselves. I mean,

(17:59):
he charmed the McCallum in that interview on Fox News,
like right onto the gates. So, I mean, I think
this is going to be a central sort of conflict
in our politics moving forward when Zoran is elective mayor agree.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Yeah, not a lot of suspense especially. I don't think
a lot of motion after this debate either. I would
be remiss because Sager's not here. He would want me
to flag this other moment in the debate that for him,
I think would be a big deal breaker for Zoran.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Have you ever purchased anything in a cannabis shop? And
if so, what did you buy?

Speaker 11 (18:32):
Mister Mumdani, I have I have purchased marijuana at a
legal cannabis shop.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Feels like such a dated question tooh, okay, like who
is this question for? You know, what is this revealing
to us about these candidates?

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Really?

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, sliwah, that gave an interesting answer. He said, after
I was shot five times by the mob, I used
medical marijuana.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
He also said Ryan that he also that he Sliva
said he doesn't go into yellow taxi cabs because he
was shot in the back in a yellow taxi cab.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Oh yeah, that was the question is if you have
to get from point A to point be, like, how
do you do it? And Zorn said something like I
will take the train or I'll take a cab, and
then Cuomo said, I'll take an uber, I'll take a cab,
and then Sleiwa said, well, after I was shot in
the back of a cab in like nineteen seventy nine.

(19:37):
It's by the mob story, by the Gatti and the
Gambino families.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I mean, that's the thing is Sleewa actually remembers like
the real like bad crime days in New York, you
know those are That's kind of like his formative years
and how he forms his political identity. I remember seeing
him on I don't know, it might have been with Hannity,
and Hannity was asking him some fear mongering question about like,
oh my god, if we looked a socialist communists It
was like that in New York City and he was like,

(20:02):
we've had these kind of characters before. It's gonna be fine.
He's just non plus by it. Yeah, clearly he well
much more than Zoran, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, and Cuomo said Laguardi is the best mayor in
New York City's history. Yeah, a socialist, So.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Who Zoron really?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
You know, admires and sort of models himself after and
his campaign after hmm interesting.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Yeah, well and oh yeah, here's the quote, oh yeah, quote.
I try to avoid yellow cabs. As you know, I
was shot in the back of a yellow cab in
nineteen ninety two by the Goddis and Gambinos. But I
find my way around if I have to. I uber.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Some needs to make a movie about this man's life. Honestly, Yeah,
it gotta be. Yeah, Oh, totally would be.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
He has nineteen cats nineteen audience go off in the comments.
If Sleiwan needs a breaking points interview for this election.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Why do you stop?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
That's right, definitely have them on.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Cuomo would also, like, you know, make claims about his candidacy,
and then Sleiwah would like counter him with like weird
New York historical facts, Like Cuoma would be talking about
funding of a of a subway line, and then Sliva
would be like, oh, you know the Central Park horses.
You know, they used to get drunk, but now they don't,

(21:26):
and now they're you know, they're they're tired and they're sick.
He's just such a facet of New York and he
should run for every election he does.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
So you're getting your west.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
So should we move on?

Speaker 9 (21:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
What do we got next?

Speaker 6 (21:45):
All right?

Speaker 7 (21:46):
So, folks, we've got a Republican group chat that leaked
that we wanted to mention here. This is an article
from Politico, uh that says, I love Hitler. Leaked messes
expose Young Republicans racist chat. Thousands of private messages reveal
young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery, and rape.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
They've got a graphic here.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
I'm not gonna read them all, but I'll just I'll
read a few to give some texture some of the quotes.
A lot of these are from New York Young Republicans,
and this is kind of surrounding a election for the
next leader of like the National Young Republican Party and
sort of a group chat discussing the race.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Some of these tweets say everyone that votes know is
going to the gas chamber. You're giving Nationals too much
credit and expecting the jew to be honest. If we
ever had a leak of this chat, we would be
cooked for real, for real. I'm ready to watch people
burn now and some other you know, some other slurs

(22:54):
and just some you know, other general stuff about Jewish
people and black people. What are we to make of this, folks?
What are we do? Do we want to start with
Emily the youngest Republican on here?

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Well?

Speaker 9 (23:07):
Can I?

Speaker 8 (23:07):
Also?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I was just this one thing because I am flattered
in a sense by the young Republican moniker because apparently
these people were up to the age of forty. So yeah, right,
I wanted to make that clear. When we're talking about
young Republicans, these are like, by and large, professionals who
have you know, chief of staff or this or that politician,

(23:29):
who have actual roles in Republican politics. So this isn't
just you know, some seventeen year old gropers mouthing off
in some chat.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Right, No, because jd Vance I think, referred to them
as kids, and a lot of people have because you
hear young Republicans and a lot of people confuse it
with College Republicans, but actually somehow the Young Republicans are
actually much less influential and consequential than the College Republicans,
so they have real jobs though, I just mean the
organization like Young Republicans. Why ours as it's called itself,
is like I don't even know if it's like an

(23:58):
open secret. I don't even think it's secret. Like they're
so powerless and unimportant. Now that said Griffin, the quotes
that you read off they are like being they think
they're being Mimi and edge lordy, and it is so
cringey and I think probably does probably probably is rooted

(24:24):
not just in them trying to be edge lords and funny,
but like the repetitive nature of it is, like there's
there's some genuinely pretty gross sentiments I think lurking beneath
the surface of whatever they're doing for the Young Republicans.
And the memes actually in response have been excellent too
of how much of a quote master race these these

(24:47):
guys really are you?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah? To show you can show some of the pictures.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yes. Favorite Crystal's favorite is that they someone posted one
of the great tweets I think of all time that
they have bodies built to survive a golf cart crash,
and I.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Was a little offended by that. That hit home for personally. Yeah,
I took that a hole personally as a survivor. Where's
the where's the lesbian wedding photo one?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
We have that one?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Keep going, that's there, it is, that's the one. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I I have a lot
of thoughts on this. I guess the first thing is like,
this is the least surprising thing of all time. I mean,
look at who is one of the most popular creators
for young right wing young right wing men.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Is Nick Fantees.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
So they just had a There's another scandal going on
this week where some Republican congressman's young stafford posted an
American flag with the swastika. There's a like there was
actually a Nazi problem among not just among young Republicans,
because we also have a DHS account that's tweeting out
things like remigration. We have an administration that is changing

(25:58):
the refugee policy to only in like basically German Nazis
who are being quote unquote persecuted for being too anti immigrant,
Which is a little weird that you're bringing in immigrants
because they're anti immigrant, but anyway them and like the
white South Africans, you have Trump openly, you know, acknowledging, oh,
we can't let Stephen Miller's truest feelings come out because

(26:20):
they would be utterly repellent to the American public. And
Trump reportedly joking in a private meeting in twenty twenty
four about how Stephen Miller only wants a hundred million
people in the country and they should all look like him. So,
you know, if anything, I'm shocked that it's not even
worse than what these what these messages ultimately are. And

(26:40):
I think Hanania's piece on like the based ritual in
the Republican Party probably captures the dynamic the most. You know,
it's the inverse of what was happening in progressive spaces
during pro Woke, where there was like a virtue signaling
cycle where you know, everyone's like positioning to be the
most pure and the most lefty and the most like,
you know, identitarian whatever.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
And on the right there's this, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
This ritual of like who can be the most defensive
and that's how you get your clout points. And then
you know, it starts off as like a meme and
a joke, and it ends up with Steven Miller in
the White House with Ice agents raiding cities and doing
Kavanaugh stops and picking up anyone who looks Latino, and
you know, is in a quote unquote true American in
his conception blood and soil conception of what that should be.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
And after after Vance kind of jumped in and gave
permission to defend these kids, kids. He was very clever
and calling them kids, these young men. Uh you you
saw like a whole bunch of other people, Matt Walsh
and others, you know, saying we need to stick together,
like we need to do, not throw these people under

(27:46):
the bus. If we throw them on the bus there,
you know, you know, first they came for the Nazis
in the in the in the Republican youth group.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Chat, and then all the all the young Republicans were
gone because they were all Nazis, right.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
And then so Ben Shapiro. I want to bring him
in because he had an interesting pushback. Griff and I
have it. If you don't have it, I got it
right here.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
You have it, okay, Well, and let me just say
this is like I'll tee this up. This is a
long running debate in right wing circles for years now,
which is that and maybe you guys have picked up
on anyone from the outside, but that the media baits
you into and actually some people on the left thing
this to the media is baiting you into tossing other

(28:32):
Republicans under the bus, and blah blah blah. It's like,
first of all, you guys are in media like this
is sort of where where Ben gets a ton of pushback,
is that he punt. He's willing to punch right. And
so that's that conversation that they're having. And they have
a show where they disagree with each other over the
Daily Wire, where they fight about things, and so they

(28:52):
fought about this this week. Basically, I just say that
because some people have been posting clips of Matt Walsh
being like, here's Matt Walsh getting lectured by Ben Shapiro.
But like the whole show is them fighting each other.
It's called friendly fire.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
Again.

Speaker 12 (29:05):
I'm not even disagreeing with the motivations of the Politico story.
In fact, even on my show today I talked about
the motivations of the Politico story, which Matt I agree
are completely scrollless and designed to distract from the sort
of violent rhetoricquisine from the left, but it has led to,
I think a reactionary response on some parts of the
right to say there should be no policing ever at all,
no social consequences should ever attend to things that are

(29:28):
said on the right, that it's basically just pure my
side versus yours. The problem I have is number one,
I think that's moral, and number two, I don't think
that's pragmatic. I don't think that's moral because I think
that there are things that get said on the right
that are really, really, really ugly, and pretending those away
doesn't make them go away. I think that they're rising.
I think that they're getting more common. I know that
my death threats from that side are getting more common.

(29:48):
I know I have more security because of that. And
it's not just from the left. I have lots of
security from the left, and I also get lots of
security from the right. Matt, I think a little bit
earlier today you tweeted that kind of your litmus test
is the people who are trying to kill you, and
I totally get that. I also have that litmus test.
The difference is that that I think that if somebody
tries to kill Matt, there's a good shot that it's
going to be a leftist. If somebody tries to kill me,

(30:09):
it's a freaking Agatha Christie novel. I just don't know
which direction the bullet is coming from at this point,
given the sort of various and sundry radical extremes that exist.
I'm not going to say that the right is equivalent
to the left in this respect, because I don't think
it's been mainstream to nearly the same effect on the
right that it has been on the left. But to
pretend that it has not infiltrated a lot of very
important spaces I think is sort of whistling past the grave.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Well, and the other part of that, I mean, I
will say, I'd like speak to college conservative college students
and groups a lot, And I don't think what those
wires are doing is common. I don't think it's entirely
out of the ordinary in the like based ritual sense
that Hanania. And it's a lot of like people who

(30:53):
are in there, notice, like their twenties, like people who
were in college during Trump one point zero or COVID,
and it does like that it is real and it
is bad, and people have to learn that it's not
funny to keep one upping to the point where then
you've seated yourself for actually having beliefs blossom out of

(31:15):
that ground because you're so buried in these layers of
irony and like quote ironic racism and you just they
get lost in the sauce. And that is a real thing.
And Ben's not wrong about that. So uh, it's it's
a huge debate though, and people are yeah, I mean
not while and JD Vance, the very online types are

(31:36):
very much on the other side of it.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, it's crazy, It's totally crazy. And I've I've mentioned
this uplunge before, but you know that the Israeli strategic decision,
you know, to basically when Obama was president and was
pushing for the Iran Deal to break with the Democratic Party. Like,
the thing that made them so strong for so long
is that, like the NRA, they had massive support in

(31:59):
both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Once the
NRA went full partisan Republican, it was actually only a
matter of time until they kind of started to fall apart.
Like there's real strength and having a choke hold on
both parties. But the Israelis were like, they would much
rather isolate Iran and attack Iran than allow Democrats to

(32:21):
do an Iran nuclear deals. They break with Democrats and
they're like, we're throwing all our eggs in the Republican basket.
And I remember thinking of the time, really like is
this a well thought out alliance? Like do you know
some of the undercurrents that are inside this Republican party?
And you're the ones that are constantly saying Zionism and

(32:41):
Judaism are linked, and so you're going to link up
with a coalition which has a non trivial portion of
genuinely anti Semitic people, and you're telling them if they're
anti Semitic, then they're also anti Zionists. So not so
they kind of went the other way. A lot of
these young Republicans are like, oh, well, I am actually
so therefore I'm also anti Zionist. It was it was

(33:03):
just from a strategic perspective, it was like it was
headed in an obvious direction.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Although you made the point before Ryan that you know,
in some ways Netanyahoo and other Israeli politicians benefit, like
the whole Israel project benefits from genuine rise and anti
Semitism because it bolsters their argument that you have to
have Israel to have a safe place for Jews, I
mean the other thing. And you were making this point
about imagine if half of this was surfaced in some

(33:35):
you know, Columbia student group chat.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Like one of those in prison one at.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Jade Vance would be the one leading the challenge to
put you there chat like we're five minutes ago where
he's saying, hey, if you expressed the wrong sentiment about
Charlie Kirk, you should be fired. And now so let
all these kids, you know, they don't know what they're doing, like,
give them some grace. Yeah, sure, they said I love
Hitler and they're talking about gas chambers, but like who
among us?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Who among us can judge?

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
So, and you know, the ADL put out some incredibly weak,
you know, lame message.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
It's just so clear say something.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
They did say something, Yeah I can, I can find it,
pull it up, but very you know, very very light
touched kid gloves sort of like when they finally felt
compelled to say something about Elon Musk. You know, it's
that sort of similar vibe, like they don't actually care
about anti summits they they care about opposition to Israel,
not like genuine flourishing anti Semitism, which again we only

(34:34):
have to look at the fact that Nick Fuentes is
maybe the most popular creator among young Republican men to
understand that this is a real phenomenon and not like
a one off and not just a joke.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
The So interestingly, the ADL dropped its lobbying relationship with
Ballard yesterday, that is the Susie Wilds firm and the
Pambondi former firm, and so that was they terminated their
lat being a relationship that disclosure dropped. Political Influence had
a little story about that, which is kind of interesting

(35:07):
amidst all of this, I hadn't actually connected the fact
that it was happening in the middle of all of this,
you know, uproar, which they were definitely dealing with internally
at their office. And what Ben was talking about with
the Left is that he's saying it's not as mainstream,
it's not as mainstream, and that actually exposes a kind
of interesting blind spot for Vans and Walsh here, which
is they're upset about these universities that have like think

(35:31):
like segregated dorm rooms that is a thing that started
to come back in the twenty tens. It's like this
is this is an affinity dorm for only black UCLA
students or something like that. And then the insistence in
critical race theory classes that white people are necessarily racist
because white people all bring you know, inherent biases to

(35:55):
the table. And we don't have to get back into
the whole CRT stuff, but I'm just saying that's where
they're saying, Uh, there's this disconnect. But what's interesting about
that is to then turn a blind eye, this is
the argument Bend is making. To then turn a blind
eye to similar versions of that argument happening from identitarians

(36:17):
is not consistent. Identitarians on your own side is not
at all consistent, And it's not at all consistent with
like the documentary Am I Racist? That Walsh made and
I think he came on our show to talk about
at the time and have a little debate about Haiti
with Brian Crystals, Crystal's viral for Puerto Rico, Ryan's viral
for Haiti. We should really just be doing the show

(36:39):
from the Caribbean. It's the future. But that's that there
There is a real inconsistency there and what they just
don't I don't understand why why From Matt Walsh, he
sees like a fun tests as quote his side, like
that's what's interesting in and of itself, right, Like is
fun to do you really see yourself as like a

(37:00):
rather in arms with Nick Flent does?

Speaker 9 (37:03):
Is he like? Right?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
And if so, hmmm, And there's a real thing and
think about the self delusion at work here where he says, Okay,
this stuff is more mainstreamed on the Democratic side, but
not on the Republican side. The vice president of the
United States is defending these young Republicans. He's the like,
stop thinking of yourselves as like marginal figures. He's the

(37:27):
vice president of the United States.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
There is no world in which something like this comes
out on the Democratic side and a hypothetical vice president
in a democratic administration defends it. They throw those young
people absolutely right under the bus and back over it.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
We just we just watched Zoron condemning Hassanier, you know,
saying like, I don't know whatever he's out about nine
to eleven. I mean he condemned the comments, not specifically
Hassan but yeah, I mean, it just showed does show
you the disparity. And then I look even or beyond
j d Vance and think about Steven Miller, who apparently
internally in the White House they call the Prime Minister,

(38:06):
and who is running not only the you know, the
National Guard mobilization and the Operation Midway or whatever the
hell that's called, the you know, Midway terror attacks, Midway
like terror mass terror attacks that are happening in Chicago,
led by the federal government. But he's also leading the
you mentioned the Caribbean. I don't think I want to
be in the Caribbean right now. He's leading that effort

(38:28):
in terms of he and Mark Arrubio regime change in Venezuela.
We just found out that the latest fishing boat that
they blew up was a couple of fishers, fishermen from
Trinidad into Trinidad and Tobago.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
So in this guy, Okay, he's Jewish, so he has
a different.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
View on the Jews, but otherwise his ideology is pure
white nationalists. I mean, it's just no denying it, like
that is his goal. He wants there to be a
white ethno state. He thinks the only people that really
count as true Americans are people that are not only white,
but happen to a agree with him and agree with Trump,
and he is going about, you know, effectuating a plan

(39:06):
to try to consolidate effectively one party control. Now will
they be able to succeed at that? I think it's
a tall order. I don't know if they have the
capability and the competency, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
But there's no doubt that's the goal.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So what is reflected in these chats, it's almost quaint.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I mean, we see it.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I just went and looked at the replies from this
America First account to they shared the Ben Shapiro clip
we just showed. I mean, everyone is like, yeah, you know,
jew that owns you is like pulling your strings. It's
overt it's out there all the time, and it goes
all the way up to the top of this administration.
I think, in a sense, I think we should be
relieved that JD. Vance felt the need to like sort

(39:46):
of infantilize them and not just outwardly embrace what they're
saying here, because I think we're probably like two years
away from the line from the White House just being like.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, they're right. I agree.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Hitler was great because I see that, see that as
being the direction that the party is going in more
and more and more every day.

Speaker 7 (40:05):
So it isn't for him to say, isn't Vance always
crying about like uh ah, they're attacking Ice, they're calling
us Nazis and then you go to their group.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
Checks and they're like, we are Nazis. So it's it's
it's it's tough to navigate.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, well, I mean, it's just navigating. That's very diplomatically,
but yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Just I mean, but to Griffin's point, this is actually interesting,
Like to his point, if you have an opportunity here
to say this is what is not accepted, this is
why all of these claims are spurious and people are
wasting breath, and then you're like, well, you know, it's
a silly media distraction, you know, not not worth punching

(40:47):
right at these kids. Then you're missing an opportunity to
make your own point.

Speaker 9 (40:52):
And so.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
The kids who find themselves like working in politics tend
to be the most online, and they tend to be
which is from this perspective, not a great thing. They
tend to be the ones that are buried in these
layers of irony. They got online during COVID, and I
know these kids aren't kids but twenties and thirties, so
they are like way too online and probably different than
your average like young Republican voter, not like young Republican member.

(41:20):
But one of the things that like going back to
my first job out of college was at a conservative
youth group and we were putting together a lot of
these lectures. A bunch of them were with Ben at
the time, and then there was this debate the college
Republicans were wondering about like hosting Mileyanopolis, Who's saying all
kinds of crazy shit at the time, and they were
bringing Mile to campuses, and I remember always being on

(41:41):
the side of having these conversations and saying, listen, you
were dealing with people in their teenage years and their twenties.
It is not the same as dealing with your average
person in their forties and fifties. Their brains are still developing.
And when young people's I'm not talking about when these
people are twenty eight, I'm talking about in twenty twenty,
when they were seventeen or whatever, nineteen or whatever. Whatever.

(42:06):
This irony you think is funny and amusing and whatever
these outrageous statements you find to be like polemical or provocative.
It's hitting differently with sixteen to twenty three year olds.
It's not the same thing at all. They're not picking
up on all of the irony. They're not picking up
on you saying like ha wink wink, non nod. This

(42:27):
is funny because I've been called, you know, nazi for
ten years. They don't see that the same way. They
don't have the background. They're coming into their political consciousness
right now, and again their brains are still developing. So
what people find to be jokes and irony, I just
think they're playing with fire, particularly with young people, with

(42:48):
whom it doesn't And that's not like that's just real.
I've seen it happen. They're playing with fire. It just
doesn't land the same way with people in that demographics.
Like when you're working specifically with young people. My argument
is always been you have to be like extra extra careful.
You don't have to be an outrageous gatekeeper. William F.
Buckley tossing out the Birchers performatively, that's the big debate

(43:09):
in conservative circles right now. But when you're working with students,
it actually is really different. You have to actually be
careful with that.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, well, to be fair, the White House did condemn
one member of this group chat, and that would be
the guy who leaked it to the Politico. That was
the thing that they found condemnation worthy is that any
of this was surfaced, not anything that was said in
the chats, but the fact, you know that someone like
blew the whistle on them and exposed them to the public.
That was the part that they were upset about. And

(43:37):
to Griffin's point, like jd. Vance is insanely online, like
he is, he is a creature of this you know,
of this edge lord, of these edge lord spaces, and
even like with the twenty thirty year olds whatever, like
you meme it enough times, you meme yourself into these
positions and they stop being a joke and they start

(43:59):
just being like, you know, I'm you know, now I'm
a gripper, and now I believe that we should have
segregation again, and now I believe the Jews control everything,
and like this is actually my worldview and there's a
lot going on here with this. I mean, if I'm
to put my sociological like step back from the my
just disgusted at seeing this, these like losers embracing Hitler.

(44:21):
You know, we we do have our society is in crisis, right,
we are in crisis. We have a sense that the
whole and I think of reality, that the whole thing
is crumbling and falling apart. We have life expectancies which
are falling off a cliff, which is kind of the
most basic level of how is a nation doing? That
You could possibly look at in certain areas of the
country worse than others. So in the South, where Republicans

(44:43):
are disproportionally you know a cute is the word, where
they disproportionately live, you have twenty year lower life expectancy
than like in the Northeast. And you you know, meanwhile,
you have all these existential threats. You have this sense
like what is going to happen with AI? And I
can't afford a college degree, and I can't affordford a

(45:04):
healthcare and I can't afford a house. And what am
I as a man if I can't do these basic things?
Like You've got a lot of people who feel like losers,
who feel like their life is headed in no kind
of direction, who want desperately for some sort of like meaning,
and they're increasingly finding it in like being a Nazi
grouper and getting told by their friends, by their also

(45:25):
fat loser friends that that's quote unquote based. That's you know,
that's a big part of the dynamic that's that's going
on here that we have to grapple with.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
I think identitarian politics are really dangerous in times when
economic when there's economic misery. Yeah, that's absolutely true.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
There's no And that's the sort of thing that actually
can lead you to like a civil war, you know,
when you have that sort of identitarian ethnic strife. Those
are some of the warning signs of you know, total
societal collapse in a way that is like you know,
hot and involves guns.

Speaker 9 (46:03):
M Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
It's just like when you've got a bunch of young
men who are I mean, we don't have to broach
the entire debate about young men now, but like when
you you do genuinely have a lot of young men
who are underemployed or miserable in different ways, can't afford houses,
have lots of student loan debt. It's it's fertile ground.

(46:28):
Fertile ground for unfortunate ideologies to blossom.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
I would say so, well, on our guest has joined.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
Us, Yes, our guest has joined us. Do we want
to do this on the in the public half or
we want to go over to the public Yeah, all right, Ryan,
who's our guest today?

Speaker 4 (46:50):
State Representative Medina and Tom Wilson. I don't know if
she can hear us yet. People may remember from about
what two or three months ago we had uh state
representative on to discuss her effort to stop the Zuckerberg
Musk attempt to rewrite Delaware corporate laws to advantage themselves substantially.

(47:13):
That effort failed. Sort of right, You can actually update
us on that if you want. But people might remember
her from if they're if they're following us on Twitter,
from something quite different. Shed She went to Texas, took
the greyhound to what I've since learned is called the Mothership.

(47:34):
This is Joe Rogan's comedy A Little Club. I learned
that because I told people I was going to the
mother Ship this couple weeks ago, which is in fish Laura.
That's the Hampton Coliseum down down there where Crystal lives.
And people were like, oh, you're going to go to
Rogan's Club, Like, what the efforts club?

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Obviously I'm talking about a fish concert.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Medina was at the actual Mothership and they do a
thing at the kill Tony show where they have a
bucket pull where you put your name. You can tell
usport about it, but you put your name in a bucket,
and then.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
The breaking points where Ryan explains kill Tony.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
May or may not get picked. And you had told
me that this was not the first time that you
had been there, so you made this entire trek just
for the joy of a kill Tony show, which I'm
sure was life changing in its own right. But the
second time it actually came through, Griffin, should we play
a little bit first, or.

Speaker 9 (48:40):
Hi, guys, what's up?

Speaker 6 (48:43):
Adina? Welcome back.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
Always it's always endearing when the host is like, let
me tell you all about this person before you get
to get to like talk to them, because they're really excited.
So I'm like, I love that. Yeah, thanks for having
me back. On a lighter note than last time. Last
time was a bit depressing, and Ryan mentioned, h yeah,
it was a failure, like most legislative efforts that I have,
it seems, but last two weeks ago now in Austin, Texas.

(49:10):
Was not a failure of a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
But did we lose your camera?

Speaker 7 (49:13):
No, we got I lost it, Ryan, Ryan ran, I
got this, Madina. What was the what was the experience? Like,
did you have a fun time? Because you know, I'm
I'm recording right now from Los Angeles and some some
liberal comedians of Los Angeles their nails will curl when
they hear kill Tony.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
So what was your experience going in there?

Speaker 9 (49:36):
It was great. I had a good experience. I was
nervous going in. I'm a black Muslim woman with vittel igo,
I'm a democratic socialist. Yeah, there's a lot of things
that they could they could roast me on. And I
also was just nervous that I was going to mess
up my minute of comedy. Right. So, like Ryan said,
was my second time going down there. And as a comedian,

(49:57):
any comedians that are listening, or even folks that are
just in the arts, they know, like, you gotta put
the time in, you gotta do a lot of reps,
a lot of times, you bomb a lot of times.
You know, you put your name in the bucket. You
don't get pulled I took the Greyhound bus for a
friends in Fort Worth to Austin, so I'm like trekking
on the bus and last time, I think I got
home at like four am or something. I would not

(50:18):
recommend taking the Greyhound in the middle of the night.
It's much nicer during the day, but that's a bar.
It was a good experience and I didn't mess up
my minute. I was a little bit fast. I could
have slowed down a little bit, but I didn't want
to go overtime and then get roasted for for going

(50:39):
over time.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
So overall, well, we did a nice day intro, but
we yeah, we didn't. We didn't get to your pronoun
so we should watch the uh and then all of
this we were rude. We didn't ask, so let's forgot.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
Let's roll it.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
And it makes the noise for Medina.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Everybody, we're gonna meet Medina all together.

Speaker 9 (50:59):
And hey, guys, so you can probably tell by looking
at me my pronouns are USA.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Let's go so good.

Speaker 9 (51:15):
I usually walk out to Bruce Springsteen born in the USA,
just in case they had my passport back there. I
identify as biracial because my dad is black and my
mom is African American. But my body, my body is
gentrifying itself. Yeah, you know you have vitigo because it

(51:39):
starts with a couple spots and then pretty soon you
don't recognize the neighborhood anymore.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
It's just not what it used to be.

Speaker 9 (51:47):
The best part about having vidlago, though, is kids always
come up to me and ask me what happened to
your hand, and I get to tell them, Well, when
I was your age, my mom told me to do
something and I didn't listen and she smacked the black
off me. Do your parents.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
I'll leave it there. Thanks g nice, so good.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah. I didn't think you rushed it. I thought that
you're talking was great.

Speaker 9 (52:12):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
It feels different when you're up there.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, so when you're nervous all though, if you if
you're nervous, you hide it.

Speaker 9 (52:22):
Well yeah, I mean I was nervous, and then it
was like, right before I went on stage, I was like,
you can't be nervous, right like, you you're nervous, You're
gonna mess up. So I was. I was mostly thinking
about what the producer just told me, which was when
you get on stage, moved the mic to the right,
the camera whatever, whatever. Don't talk while they talk because
your mic won't get So I was like, all right,

(52:44):
show notes, like keep that in mind, and uh yeah,
it went went about as good as I could have hoped.
I had made one joke I think during the interview
that didn't land but could have been worse.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Which which was that one?

Speaker 9 (52:57):
Uh, the Stevie Wonder joke.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Oh well, cause I think they can get it.

Speaker 9 (53:01):
They're just too white.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (53:04):
As they were talking, I.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Was like the rest of us here, Yeah, yeah, I
wish I got.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
The album in reach. But there's this there's a great
SEEDYE Wonder album Hotter than July, and he's got the
braids and the beads, and it's just like, yeah, now,
black people laugh about because they're like, are you saying
you have a receding Caroline.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
So this clip went super viral, and especially people on
the left who are just dying to have some connection
with the like Joe Rogan world that used to be
pretty left. I think people were just like, hey, it
was like a shot in the arm, like hey, we
can do this on the left. We can like be

(53:46):
funny and politically incorrect and survive and not have our
you know, progressive bona fides question. In fact, we can
communicate like relatively dem socialist messages in some of these spaces.
So tell us a little bit about what it's been
like since going viral, since you know, being at the
comedy Mothership. What response have you gotten.

Speaker 9 (54:07):
About what you probably could expect, right, Like progressive folks,
it's been really excited about it. Some of the some
of the like kill Tony Bass was like she's not funny,
and it's like all right, Like I know it was
going a little fast, but this was a funny minute.
Like you're just racist, you just hate like but I'm

(54:27):
kind of used to that too. Like as a female comic,
I've had multiple people come up to me after shows
and be like this is gonna sound crazy, but like
you're the first funny woman I've ever seen, and I'm like,
you're just a misogynist dude. Like, so it's overall, I
would say it's been a really good experience. I've gotten

(54:48):
a lot of folks coming to my social media pages
saying like I didn't know democrats could be funny, thank you,
or like folks that are like more independent that are
just fed up with both parties as I am as
well right as a member of the Democratic Party, I'm
pretty frustrated with the direction at the party, at the
national level and at the state level that has been
going in in the past few years. So it's been

(55:10):
it's been nice to kind of find my people online.
It has not been as nice to have my d
ms get totally wrecked by like the freakiest of freaks
on the internet. But you know that'll die down eventually.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Griffin, Griffin, please stop dming her.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
What about your colleagues for you?

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Did you got a question?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Yeah? And I'm just curious for your like a while
making colleagues have said so far.

Speaker 9 (55:41):
It's been crickets, which means that they're they're chatting in
the group.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
Which means it was a good set.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
Madina, My question for you is, you know, there's a
little lot of conversations post Trump presidency about the comedy
podcasters like going right wing or what have you like,
what do you make of the current comedy in environment
and I guess second part of the question is do
you think that you I would consider you more a
leftist than a liberal?

Speaker 6 (56:07):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 7 (56:08):
Do you think that a liberal would have a harder
time on kill Tony than a leftist.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
I think liberals have a harder time anywhere because they're boring. Sorry,
no offense have liberals, but.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Like, how dare you Amy Schumer is voting for Antre Cuomo.

Speaker 9 (56:20):
I don't know if you saw this, but like, I'm sorry,
that's boring. Nobody's interested in that. Like two thousand called
and you know they're waiting. So yeah. I think if
you are able to communicate your values, if you actually
have values, that or something other than just like I
don't know, you know, love is love or something like, like,

(56:41):
it's got to go deeper than that, Like we got
to talk about like economic issues people are dealing with,
which is part of the reason why I love taking
the bus, right, Like I can't afford to like run
a car all over Texas and fly around, so I
take the bus and then I get to hang out
with people that take the bus. And I think that's
something that the Democratic Party leadership is sorely lacking, is
actually understanding what it's like to Like the other day,

(57:05):
I was like in the bank opening an account for
my business, and I'm like, give me a second, I
gotta move money from here to there because like I
only have so much money. That's what the average American
is dealing with right now. So I think if you
are a leftist and you have any type of personality,
you'll do well in places like this. Unfortunately, Democratic party

(57:26):
leadership tends to push the most boring milk toast.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Like.

Speaker 9 (57:33):
That's not gonna do well. Like I'll talking to a
party friend of mine who was like, yeah, like Kamala
should have gone on Rogan, and I'm like, no, she
shouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, what do you mean, Like you cannot.

Speaker 9 (57:45):
Survive more than an hour long interview if you're trying
to do a script, like you have to just be yourself.
And if that's not who's running, it's not going to
work on Rogan.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
That's what I always said to this whole, like, oh,
she should have gone over It's like a different candidate
who could handle that. Sure, we're talking about this candidate, like.

Speaker 9 (58:06):
We should have run a candidate who can go on Rogate,
who could there?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yes, and how long you been doing someone like Joe
Biden exactly, Yeah, I mean that would have it would
have been That's true.

Speaker 9 (58:26):
We did. We beat Medicaid, Okay, Like I shouldn't tell
the story. But one of my tell stories I shouldn't
is when they do well. So, uh, I went to
the Memorial Day service here at the Veteran Cemetery and
I got like stuck in a little you know, when
like older people start talking to you, sometimes you get
stuck and you're like trying to leave him like that.

(58:47):
So I got stuck talking to Biden and and in
there and he starts telling the story about how like
I kind of was in and out of paying attention,
like in an out of consciousness. But he's telling the
story and he's like, yeah and putin he was. He
was mad at me because I shut down the U

(59:07):
S s R. And I was like what, Like I
came back to the conversation and everybody, Yeah, He's like
I put it, And I was like, you put it
like I was young then, but like I don't think
that's what happened, dude, Like I'm pretty sure that was
the you. I don't think you're that guy.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
But was that this may yes.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Good sign of life from buying.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
At least we have sending medicaid and the U S
s R and the.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
U S s R about corn pop. Did you about
corn pop corn pop involved in ending the U.

Speaker 9 (59:46):
S s R.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Also, that was the one man show man show that story.

Speaker 9 (59:54):
I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure I'll hear about it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Prime by Man's Prime was very talented, you know. I
mean I saw him both on the stump. You know,
we all saw him wipe the floor with Paul Ryan
in that debate. Like he did have that thing when
he was young, even with all the like you know,
the verbal gaffs and whatever like that was part of
actually what made him interesting to watch. But yeah, at

(01:00:17):
this stage, I got stuck. It'd be interesting for another reason.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I guess I got stuck with him a few times
when he was a senator and we'd be in the
hallway and like the other report, there'd be no other
reporters there, and he's still talking. I have no questions left,
and so like remember one time statement, I remember a
state of the Union. It's just me and him, and
like he's still talking. He's still talking. So I like

(01:00:43):
I take my recorder away to like try to signal,
look like I'm not recording anything anymore. Like this is over.
He keeps going. I like put my notebook like in
my pocket, put my hands in my pockets.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
Get the book, put something in a book. That's what
I know as a politician, Like oh, all right, okay, guys,
I'll let you go.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I have a I guess I have a thing
I have to file, like, I've got stuff I have
to do. I'm like, don't don't you yeah, don't you you?
Oh goodness, Sorry, he was top you know, he's top
Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, so he must mean

(01:01:26):
he helped funnel so much money, right right.

Speaker 9 (01:01:29):
I got to tell you I did not ask for
a followup question.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
When did he become chair? You know, let's uh, let's
fact check his claim down the USSR.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Is that around that time, wasn't he judiciary?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
He was? He was chaired by like what ninety ninety one? Yeah,
because he's taking you know, he's ushering Clarence Thomas through.

Speaker 9 (01:01:57):
The scene ninety three said on the scene, looking real mean, I've.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
Been putting on a history of wormhole Medina.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
My final question for you is do you feel I
don't know, sometimes I think that their comedians are scared
of posting clips, especially if they have like a normal job,
like like like you perhaps are are we in like
a new era where you can do a stand up
set with some jokes that push into areas that normally

(01:02:34):
you wouldn't be able to talk about in a workplace.
Post that and then go back to work, like what's
our what's your sense or your temperature?

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
Chest on the broad unbroad term of cancel culture right now?

Speaker 9 (01:02:45):
Oh, that's an interesting question. I mean when I first started,
so I've been doing comedy a little over three years.
And when I first started, I was just using my
first name, thinking that that somehow people wouldn't find out
because you know, I don't have a unique look or anything.
And so I remember I was at an open mic
maybe a couple months in, and somebody afterwards came up

(01:03:05):
to me and she was like, aren't you stay rap?
And I was like found me and but like, honestly,
like my material that I do, it's almost it's almost
a political Like I did some political jokes when I
was on the show because that's what I've been doing lately,
because it's it's top of mind for me as a
Muslim woman. Right Like in Texas, I literally did have

(01:03:27):
my passport on me just to prove that I'm an
American citizen because there are people who look at me
and think I'm not right. So I've started doing more
jokes like that, But I also talk about that at
my job. I'm in a privileged position in that I'm
a Democrat for my job, right, so I don't have
to worry so much about HRC getting involved. I don't

(01:03:48):
do jokes where I punched down or you know, go
after vulnerable groups where I would then get in trouble
or something.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
So that makes it not to cut you off.

Speaker 7 (01:03:59):
But I feel like specific to kill Tony was someone
that was like right under the gun during the election,
Like he did those jokes during the Madison Square rally
and Democrats really tried to tried to cancel them for that,
so it almost like guilt by association, like oh, she
went on stage with Tony, Like how dare she?

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
Like is there any danger of that? Or like, I
mean seemed like he didn't care.

Speaker 9 (01:04:21):
I don't honestly, because I think it's important for Democrats
to go on any platform that will allow them on
to share that we're not a bunch of weirdo freaks,
that we have like values that we share with most Americans,
that we have a shared lived experience and we want
to actually progress the country. I think we have to
just get over that. Like if we're going to cancel

(01:04:41):
every platform that helped get Trump elected, I guess we're
not going on SNL, Like is that what we're doing.
We're not gonna write like we're not going to go
on I don't know, NBC Nightly like come on, Like
it's just silly. So I was really, I think blessed
to get pulled out of that bucket so that I
could show so the Rogan you know world, that there

(01:05:02):
are still Democrats that are funny. We don't all just
like joke about whatever, you know, stereotypes they have about
left leaning comedians. Like most of my material is about
it's self deprecation. It's growing up, you know, in a
big household. It's the struggles of marriage and relationships, you know,
having to drive on a road with people that have

(01:05:24):
that novice driver magnet on the back of the car, right,
and I'm like, you're novice, let me teach you a lesson.
I'm cutting you off right, Like that's something that we
all can you know, relate to in a way. So
I thought it was great And last year, just about
a year ago, I was talking to some political mentors
of mine, and I was telling them, I'm kind of

(01:05:45):
like I felt at the time like I needed to
pick my political career or my comedy career, and I
wanted to pick comedy. I love comedy. And they were like,
Trump just got reelected. What are you talking about? Do both?

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Like?

Speaker 9 (01:06:00):
Do both? That's what people want. And one of them
actually said, if Dave Chappelle announced right now that he
was running for president, do you think people would sad
and I or would they be like, oh snap, like
I would vote for Dave right, And that kind of
flipped the switch for me where I'm like, you know what,
I'm just gonna stick to being myself, right, like when
I talk about the Elon Musbill, super serious, did my research,

(01:06:23):
and when I'm doing my comedy also like, you know,
hard working, put the time in, took the bus, did
the open mics, bombed, bombed, bombed until I got some
material that worked, right. So that's my plan. I think
the Democratic Party needs to get serious about being normal.
And I just want to shout out. Somebody messaged me
on Twitter a couple of days ago after this clip

(01:06:45):
went viral and said, thank you please continue to be normal,
and that's the biggest comp one I think I've ever gotten, Like,
I'm just going to try to continue to be a
normal person, and I think that the party needs or that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Well, self deprecation is very disarming too, you know, and
sends a message to you, like, and we're not so
self serious that you can't like poke funding yourself, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
Absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Well that's all.

Speaker 7 (01:07:14):
That was awesome. We love the set. We're excited for
your future Rogan episode. Any last questions before we let
Medina go?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
All right, I mean, do you do you like do
you do stuff in Philadelphia or DC? Like work? Where
can people find you?

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
Yes? Yeah, so I can share my link with you guys.
But I will be all over over the next month.
I'm in northern Delaware, so I do shows in Philly
all the time. I'll be in Philly the next couple
of weeks. I'll be in Frederick, Maryland. From other spots
in Maryland, New York. On the twenty eighth of October,
so I'm in the I'm in the tri state New

(01:07:53):
York metro Northeast area, and then I'll be in Florida
early November, so come see me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Come high, ye say to the link.

Speaker 7 (01:08:01):
We'll put it in the Yeah, we'll put it in
the email. Yeah, we'll put it in the link to
the description in this video below. Thank you, Medina and folks.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
We're going to stop here with this half of the show.

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Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Bye bye,