10/22/25: Kushner And JD Try To Tame Bibi, Trump Sues DOJ, Trump Lashes Out At Mamdani

Ryan and Emily discuss Kushner and JD on Gaza ceasefire, Trump sues for $230 million from DOJ, Trump lashes out at Mamdani.

 

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All right, Happy Wednesday, everybody. Emily, how you doing, do Grant?

Speaker 4 (00:36):
We have a big show, We have multiple guests, and
we're taking a weekend show today as well that people
should definitely make sure to tune in for.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
That'll be a good one, that's right.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Last week, Chrystal Sager had Ken Vogelan to talk about
his new book, Devil's Bargain. Oh No, Devil's Advocates, Yes,
Devil's Advocates. It's about representing the worst people in the world,
and they told everybody to buy copies of it not
enough if.

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You did, so we're having him back on.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Well the punt will keep having him on until you
send this book to number one. Yes, Yeah, because we
rely on a lot of Ken Vogel's reporting on corruption
in DC and around the world, so I want to
get back also, just a great reporter.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, and he's had a really interesting career, which is
what we want to talk to him about today and
get into the entire shirt question of lobbying here in
DC and how he covers it.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
So hope everyone tunes in for that.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
But Ryan, we'll be talking about pretty big news yesterday
out of Israel. Jd Vance has some comments about what
the future of this peace plan actually may materialize.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
To look like.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Donald Trump could be paid two hundred and thirty million
dollars by his own Department of Justice.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Will break down why.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
And the New York City mayoral election continues to titillate
every single day, So there's some ai we're going to
run for everyone, but also just updates in that race.
Graham Plattner, Big updates in the Grand Plattner race, I
mean big in air quotes.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes, Graham Plattner, the Democratic Senate candidate in Maine. Now
that Janet Mills is in all of Schumer' z oppo
is coming out. Schumer has endorsed.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
We'll talk about the latest that's that's been thrown at him,
and we'll also get a response from Representative Rocanna, who
has endorsed him and his standing standing by him. We're
also going to talk about Kareeine Jean Pierre and who
is making the rounds to promote her latest book and
keeps getting confronted with the question of why should anybody

(02:31):
listen anything.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
You have to say? Yes, and her answers have not
been very persuasive.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, no, Well, and yet here we are listening to
what she has to say, but we're listening to tell
you that you shouldn't listen. So it's a little meta. Yeah,
and we're gonna be talking about energy.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, we'll be talking to CEO of Green Capital, John Powers.
We've been looking for to get some clean energy guys
on to talk about what the what the kind of
commercial market has been like for them, both in the
wake of the Build Back Better and then also the
One Big Beautiful Bill, how that has changed, what it

(03:03):
means to bring on new levels of energy production and
what that's doing for energy prices.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
And Ryan wandered in here this morning saying that he's
going to know the future president of Ireland. Like someone
you talk to a crazy person, you just sort of
pat on the head and you're like, okay, all right, bude,
but he actually might.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, the Irish presidential election is on Friday. And when
I was in Dublin a couple maybe a couple months
ago at this point, Abu Baker, Abed and I as
well as our friends from the Ditch over there, interviewed
Catherine Connolly in the Dublin Pub, the basement of Dublin Pub.
She had just launched her presidential campaign. She is now

(03:42):
on track, I think, to become the next president of Ireland.
So we're going to play a little bit of our
interview from back in July or August whenever that was.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Looking forward to that, So everyone stay tuned. Let's start
in the Middle East, where Vice President j Evans wait
in on where things stand right now, because the peace deal,
as Krystal and Sager have covered, is obviously in a
fragile place.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
That's no surprise. Here's jd vance yesterday.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
The President actually put out a truth this morning that
I thought was very instructive. We know that Hamas has
to comply with a deal, and if FAMAS doesn't comply
with the deal, very bad things are going to happen.
But I'm not going to do what the President of
the United States has thus far refused to do, which
is put an explicit deadline on it, because a lot
of this stuff is difficult, a lot of this stuff
is unpredictable. I don't think it's actually advisable for us

(04:33):
to say this has to be done in a week,
because a lot of this work is very hard, it's
never been done before, and in order for us to
give it a chance to succeed, we've got to be
a little bit flexible. I think what you're seeing from
our golf Arab friends, certainly from our Israeli friends, is
a certain amount of impatience with Hamas. But we're going
to keep on working at this process. Terms of the
twenty point plan that the President put out, there is

(04:55):
very clear it's supported not just by Israel but by
all of our golf Arab friends. It's that Hamas has
to disarm, It's that Hamas has to actually behave itself,
and that Hamas, while all the fighters can be given
some sort of clemency. They're not going to be able
to kill each other, and they're not going to be
able to kill their fellow Palestinians. Now again, that's going

(05:16):
to take a little bit of time.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
So Advance is in Israel.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
If you're listening to this not watching it, you would
have seen Jared Kushner flanking jd Vance. Not really a surprise,
but Vance made some additional comments relevant to the Kushner question.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
Let's roll a two.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
Well, Jared's the investor here. I'm not going to give
you a percentage, but look what we've seen the past
week gives me great optimism.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
The ceasefire is going to hold.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
And if we get from where we were a week
ago to a long term, durable peace between Israel and Gaza,
there are gonna be hills and valleys. There are going
to be moments where it looks like things aren't going
particularly well. But given that, and given the history of conflict,
I think that everybody should be proud of where we
are today.

Speaker 8 (05:58):
No reconstruction a no reconstruction funds will be going into
areas that Hamas still controls, and as far as the
demilitarization goes. Once the ISF is up, there needs to
be a security force that they can feel safe from
that in order for it to be the transition to
be complete.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
So that needs to happen.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
There are considerations being happening now in the area that
the IDF controls, as long as that could be secure,
to start the construction as a new Gaza in order
to give the Balistinians living in Gaza a place to go,
a place to get jobs, a place to live. So
that's one of the many things being considered.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
And so that last clip was actually of Jared Kushner himself,
who is quite literally an investor in the region.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
The question about it.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
His firm, Affinity Partners, has investment from the Saudi Royal Fund.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
And let's put investment in quotes.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Yeah, investment, investment Katari.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
It's an investments, just not necessarily looking for percentage gains
year over year.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
So Ryan with JD vance Jared Kushner in Israel right now.
Jady Vans is the one who invokes the term optimism.
So if someone was looking for this peace deal to hold,
does the last twenty four hours leave them optimistic?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (07:09):
And you can you can gauge that by the Israeli reaction,
like the rage at the idea that Hamas should be
given any patience. He was pressed repeatedly by Israeli reporters
throughout that event to say, what will you put a
will you put a timeline? You know, Hamas is already
supposed to have returned all of the bodies.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
They haven't yet. Shouldn't we be allowed to open the
war again? Okay?

Speaker 5 (07:34):
And he says, no, I have some patience. He said, well,
what about a timeline a week?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Two weeks? Like?

Speaker 5 (07:38):
And he kept and he kept coming back to them
and saying, look, you know a lot of these bodies
are under thousands of tons of rubble. So this is
a logistical challenge, and it's it was an interesting kind
of contrast between what Vance was describing, which is kind
of the real world, which is very rare described in

(08:00):
this situation verse the just made up ideas plomacy about yeah,
about how like we just need to go root out evil.
And it was so it was kind of jarring to
see the contrast between the two things being presented there.
And so in Kushner and Vance were there. They asked,

(08:21):
they asked Jade Vance, Are you here because of the
you think that the Israeli overreaction on Sunday to that
incident in Rafa, which is disputed about you know what happened.
Are you here because you think Israel overreacted and you're
trying to clamp them down? And he said no, no, no,
I was planning on coming anyway. But the answer wasn't convincing.

(08:42):
It seemed very clear, and it seemed clear to the
Israeli media that Wick, Kough, Kushner and Vance came basically
to babysit and they while they were there, they talked
a lot about this this deconfliction center where they have
two hundred American service members in the neck of Desert
who are in it basically going to be in an

(09:04):
operational center with the IDF, And that is being received
in some quarters of Israel as a humiliation that this
is the United States kind of taking over control because
they don't trust Israel to abide by the terms of
the ceasefire. Now, what I was told over the weekend
when I was reporting on that incident that happened in

(09:25):
Rafa is that it was and so if people didn't
follow that there was the IDF claimed that there had
been snipers and rp you know, terrorists jumped out of
a tunnel with RPGs and there was this massive, complex
attack and then somehow they snuck back into into Gaza

(09:45):
while they were in Rafa, and they snuck back into,
you know, behind the Israeli lines. What I was told
is that it was this two hundred member American unit
that discovered very quickly. No, that's not that's not happened.
And so that's and that's how the information then got relayed.
You'll hire up the chain of the Pentagon.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And so that that shows like the way that this
deconfliction process is supposed to work.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
And clearly people in the administration believed or did not believe,
I should say, the Israeli story, because they were leaking
as much to Kurt Mills and others.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Right right, and net Yahoo on Sunday afternoon announced a complete,
full spectrum ban on life essentials going into Gaza in
response to what he said was this attack. Hours later,
he said, actually, we're going to resume allowing in life
essentials Monday morning, which.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Was just hours away.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
So you could tell that something had changed and that
and so to your to your question. I think that's
the reason there there was some optimism that this, this
Deconfliction Center is becoming a real note of power in
the region. And so if the IDF wants to restart

(11:04):
the war, restart its attack in a full scale way,
you know they're going to continue doing what they call
mowing the lot, which is killing one to a dozen
Palestinians every single day.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
And they have this imaginary yellow line that.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Now now they're allegedly they're going to start putting down
little markers every two hundred meters to say, if you
go beyond this yellow line, we'll kill you. They have
been killing people beyond this line that doesn't exist except
in maps, and no Palestinian really knows where it is.
That if they go over, they shoot and kill them.
So they'll continue to do that, but in order to

(11:40):
ramp it back up to the levels we were seeing before,
they'll have to go through this Deconfliction Center, which is
run by the Americans, and for now, the Americans don't
want this to break wide open again.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
So on that note, did you see this exchange between
Zach Witcoff.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I sure did this was I mean, this is or whatever.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, and this goes to I think what you were
describing behind the vance Kushner motivation in going to maybe
the way to describe it as babysit uh this process
because Zach Witkoff, who is the son of Steve Whitcough,
got into it, got into a very interesting exchange on

(12:25):
X that they all did it in the quote tweet way,
So it's really hard to actually read through. But basically
Fishburger was attacking wit Coough and Kushner because quote they're
close ties with the Katari government actually significantly prolonged the
conflict because it kept them under the illusion that Cutter
was an honest broker throughout this war. Zach wit Cough
very defensive of this process, and it just shows you

(12:48):
how deeply tied to their legacy people in this administration.
People outside of this administration like Jerry Kushner, who does
not have a formal role, want this peace process be
he says wit coffin Kushner didn't quote prolong anything. They
worked around the clock to bring Israeli. So I'm safely
it's easy to criticize from afar. It also shows how

(13:08):
low you understand about complex foreign policisms. Have think you
a simple thank you might be more appropriate. And they
went back and forth for a really long time, and
Witkoff was essentially Zach whatkough that is, was essentially defending
their relationships with the Kataris in the sense that Brian
you were saying, there's something jarring about hearing the realism

(13:32):
of these guys who are business people come in and
not use these like diplomatic platitudes, but just kind of
discuss it in a way that you don't hear in Washington. Well.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Also, Leslie Stall asked in her interview on Sixty Minutes,
ask Witkoff and Kushner about their conflicts of interest, and
one of them said, what you call conflicts of interest,
we call experience.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I thought he was going to say, what.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
You call conflicts of interest, we call two billion dollars
in our pocket.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
So what is if we get and everyone's at peace,
what's the big deal?

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Zach Whitcoff, for his part, is, you know, ran around
Pakistan shaking them down for Crypto, ran around the golf
shaking them down for deals for the Witkoff's company, which
Steve Whitcoff is still a part owner of so like
Zach Witcoff is out doing all these deals benefiting the
company that his dad owns Now, I say all that,

(14:31):
and I team Zach Whitcoff in this argument that he's
having with with Fischburger, because Fishburger's point is ridiculous because
he's saying this would have ended much sooner if it
weren't for this Katari corruption.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Like Fischburger and his whole crew hate that it ended
at all. What do you mean ended sooner? You didn't
want it to end. Period.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
This deal has been on offer for a very long
time and you haven't wanted to take it. The underlying
argument that Fishberger was making is the Doha attack brought
about the right, And Zach is like, that's idiotic. You
tried to kill the negotiators. We were moving toward a

(15:13):
deal with these negotiators.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
You failed to kill them.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
You killed Kilila High's son, killed four office workers, you
killed a security guard, you injured his wife, you injured
their grandkids. But that didn't like that? Did that didn't
bring us to a deal here. What brought them to
a deal is Trump saying it's time to make a deal. Actually,
that's it, Like he said, look, it's over, you're taking it.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Stop being such a whining baby. What was his phrase?
Why are you always so negative? Take the deal?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
That's Witcoff saying they play the victim wikoff and then sorry.
Yesterday in the press conference, said something very fascinating because
there's been this reporting that Witkough keeps telling Israelis stop
acting like victims. Privately, You're not the victim here, he
told Ben Givier, would stop being acting like this victim
all the time. Publicly yesterday morning he said, I was

(16:06):
just in a meeting with ten hostage families and released hostages.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Everybody was crying it.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Talked about how it was such a privilege for him
to be in there, and he said, you know what,
there was not a single victim in that room. So
he's now saying it publicly to their face. Stop with
this victim crap. We're sick of it.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Well, And the reason that exchange between Zach Witcough was
or I think is important right now, is that it
shows you why JD. Vance and Steve Woodcoff and Jared
Kushner are in Israel right now, in that they believe
it's possible a tripwire is sort of intentionally tripped and

(16:48):
everything falls apart. And so I think actually, Ry in
your description of babysitting is accurate.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
That's what's happening right now.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Exactly, Jeremy.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Yesterday, I just described it as like basically putting a
leash on the attack dog, which I think is also maybe.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
A better one.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
And that doesn't mean that they won't let that attack
dog loose again at sometime in the near future, but
just not yet. Like's idea that Trump could do this
gigantic victory lap but trumble shake and nominate himself repeatedly
for the Nobel Prize and then he's going to blow
the deal up within a week.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, the guy a little a little quick there.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
Yes, I know you wanted to mention the Israeli rights
reaction to all.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Of this, Ryan, Yeah, they've been talking about it as
a humiliation that and actually some of them is really left.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
There is no it is really left.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
But the eure Lapede types have been saying Yahoo has
brought us to a full vassal state that we are
now like thoroughly and obviously under the thumb of the
United States, where Trump is just explicitly and publicly dictating
to us what we can do, whereas the you know,

(18:01):
obviously the US, being the most powerful country in the world,
can like tell other countries what to do, but to
do it so brazenly, they say, it is like a
real slap across the face, israelly dignity, and it is
like we like would the US like allow Like so
there's a there's you know, American troops and a giant

(18:22):
American presence that is kind of controlling.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Is what the Israelis can do.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
In response to what they perceive as breakdowns of the
agreement and the big conflict that's coming is Trump keeps
insisting that Indonesians or Jordanians or some other Arab or
Muslim troops come in as part of this stabilization force.
As Krishner was talking about that clip you watched, then

(18:50):
Yahoo absolutely does not want that to happen. But Nenya
is kind of boxed in because when he tells when
he just imagine going to Trump, like let's say, Indonesia's like,
all right, we got twenty thousand guys ready to send.
And then I was like, I don't want them.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Trump's going to blow his top. What do you mean
you don't want them? Are you always so negative. I'm
solving this for you.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
But they don't want more Muslim people, especially with guns
in Gaza, they want fewer.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
So that's that's going to be an interesting conflict when it.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
Comes early days, early days.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Now as the administration tries to augment this very gradual
peace process, the Russia peace process, the Ukraine peace process
is falling apart, an official told CNN yesterday, An administration
official said there are quote no plans for a summit
between Trump and Putin quote in the immediate future. As
CNN notes, the change imposture comes after Trump said the

(19:50):
leaders would meet quote within two weeks or so, pretty
quick after they spoke by phone last Thursday. It's looking
less likely that'll actually happened. This is another quote from
an administration official. Secretary Rubio and Foreign Minister Lavrov Sergei
Lavrov had a productive call. Therefore, an additional in person
meeting between the Secretary and foreign minister is not necessary,

(20:11):
and there are no plans for President Trump to meet
with President Putin in the immediate future, according to that
administration official in CNN. So, Rubio and Lavrov spoke over
the phone on Monday, and it seems as though any
hopes for this Buddha Pestre summit fell apart afterwards.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Yeah, what Trump needs is small powers that you can
just tell what to do, like with Hamas and pij
on one side and then Israel on the other, he
can with enough force kind of dictate, at least in
the short term. What the terms are Witkoff is now
you're going to make apparently mediate between Morocco and Algeria.

(20:50):
That's something that they can bite off. Maybe we'll see this,
that's been a long simmering conflict.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
But Russia, like Trump can't just tell Putin what to do.
And Trump thought he and Putin were on the same page.
Turns out they're not, so he's just flailing.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, I mean, we've seen it play out in public
where on the one hand Trump is like going full
John Bolton neo conservative towards Putin and then the next
day going full like Jeffrey SATs realist. And you know,
it gets the narrative gets fun that he's fully in

(21:30):
one direction or the other.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
But this is actually.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Trump's bizarre, bizarrely transparent negotiating process playing out where it's
almost like insulting to your intelligence when he goes it
is like, we're just going to conquer Putin and take
him out and all of that, Like we know what
you're doing.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
Yeah, we know exactly what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
He just can't believe that Putin won't take yes for
an answer.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, it's not going so well for Donald Trump, who
was supposed to solve this in twenty four hours according
to his own and he's he's addressed that and said
it hasn't quite been that easy. To your point, right
that he thought he had a little bit more sway
than he actually does. So we'll see obviously in the
future how this continues to evolve. But right now looking

(22:16):
pretty bad for peace in Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Yeah, so maybe he can reach peace with Venezuela. Like
that's another thing he could do.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
He just less likely, just like not. But all he
has to do there is not attack them.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Even less likely.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
We'll see already got the ships down there, what do
you do, right, CIA is down there doing their work.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I have faith he could just not bomb them.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
Well.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Is Donald Trump set to get two hundred and thirty
million dollars in what would essentially be restitution payments from
his own department of Justice if he asked Trump, he says,
actually that it's it's the just outcome here.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
So let's go ahead and roll some of Donald Trump's comments.
This is b one.

Speaker 10 (22:56):
Who's what?

Speaker 9 (22:58):
Are you asking the Justice Department to pay compensation for
compensation federal investigations into you? Are you asking them to
pay compensation? And how much into me?

Speaker 10 (23:09):
I don't get any compensation. I do it for nothing.
I gave up my salary into me.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
No, it's going to be the Justice Department.

Speaker 9 (23:17):
Are you asking them to pay you compensation for the
federal investigations that happened to you?

Speaker 6 (23:23):
And how much are you ask love?

Speaker 11 (23:24):
I guess they probably owe me a lot of money
for that.

Speaker 10 (23:27):
But as far as all of the litigation and everything
that's good about, yeah, they probably owe me a lot
of money. But if I get money from our cut,
I'll do something nice with it, like give it to
charity or give it to the White House where we
restore the White House.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
So that was Donald Trump's de Waally celebration. Yesterday.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Reporters were asking him about a New York Times story
which we can put up on the screen, that reported
President Trump is demanding the Justice Department paying about two
hundred and thirty million dollars in compensation for the federal
investigations into him, according to people familiar with the matter,
who added that any settlement might ultimately be a proved
by senior department officials who defended him or those in
his orbit. The Time supports the situation is no parallel

(24:07):
in American history, as mister Trump, a presidential candidate, was
pursued by federal law enforcement and eventually won the election,
taking over the very government that must now review his claims.
It is also the starkest example yet of potential ethical
conflicts created by installing the president's.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Former lawyers atop the Justice Department.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Now, something that's getting lost in a lot of this,
because it's a few paragraphs down in the Time story
is quote Mister Trump's submitted complaints through an administrative claim
process that often is the precursor to lawsuits.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
The first claim was.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Lodged in late twenty twenty three, seeks damages for a
number of purported violations of his rights, including the FBI
and Special Council investigation into Russian election tampering and possible
connections to the twenty sixteen campaign. That's according again to
people familiar with the matter, and the second complaint was
fired filed before the election last year, in the summer
of twenty twenty four, and accuses the FBI of violating

(25:00):
quote mister Trump's privacy by searching mar A Lago, his club,
and residents in Florida in twenty twenty two for classified documents.
It also accuses the Justice Department of malicious prosecution and
charging him with mishandling sensitive records after he left office,
and Sarah Bedford over at the Washington Examiner points out
again both of those claims for damages were filed before

(25:20):
he became president, again when he was in the middle
of spending, as she says, millions of dollars defending himself
against politicized cases that ultimately got thrown out. She also
pointed to the DOJ paying out settlements and partisan cases.
The FBI agent Peter Struck and Lisa Page, as you
may remember, got two million dollars over they're firing while

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they were texting about going after Trump with the FBI.
So it's not entirely without precedent, but Ryan, when your
own DOJ is then in the position to approve basically
the restitution claims almost impossible to disentangle the personal h
what is even the word for the conflicts? I guess

(26:03):
this conflict seems like an uncertatement.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
The what's even the conflict? He wants the money and
he's going to take it. The conflict, I guess is
with the taxpayer who he's going to take it from.
But why are you all complaining? This is one dollar
from every adult.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
In America, one dollar to the Trump Defense Fund.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
It's one dollar. You don't have one dollar for our
president for what you did to him. One dollar I
mean you and you.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yeah, two dollars from Ryan Groom.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
If he could do that, he would definitely say, okay,
three dollars from every Democrat.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
But yeah, so he like, if you just got higher.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
If you voted for Trump, you're still paying him a dollar. Yep,
because actually there's a little lesson that. So what are
you really complaining? Because I think the adult population in
the United States is about two fifty two hundred and
sixty million, and he's only asking for two hundred and
thirty million, so it's more like ninety five cents from
every American. Of course he should he should send every
we should get a photo of him and we can

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put up like a save a president, like just for
one dollar.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
It's like the sah, you can build this president a ballroom.
The ballroom will be beautiful.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, he's currently tearing down the East wing of the
White House, and he's he doesn't mind illegally moving money
like he does it all the time, moving it like
you cannot, as president just take from one congression appropriated
bucket and move it over to another. He does that
all the time. So why is he even going through

(27:33):
this whole rigmarole of he's going to take two hundred
and thirty million dollars from the Justice Department and then
he's going to hand it over here to his construction buddy,
he's building the ballroom. Just take the money, your president. Well,
you're stealing it from all over the place all the time.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
His back and forth with reporters somewhat amusing because the
New York Times.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Report was from anonymous sources.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Trump just gets asked about it on camera and it's like, yeah,
they owe me right, Like this is like the way
the Times wrote this story is that this was like
a very a very high level piece of investigative journalism
and is very controversial, scandalous, and then Trump's like, yeah,
they owe me money. He gets asked by a reporter
and he's like, yes, pay me. I mean, they really

(28:17):
could have just called him. Probably they didn't even rely
on the anonymous sources. They could have used the biggest
source in the media.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
I would suspect that he was one of the anonymous sources.
Not impossible, is Maggie on there, Uh well, good reporting
by The New York Times.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Utterly preposterous, utterly outrageous, Like there aren't enough words for
the idea that a guy who's made himself already a
billion dollars through his like crypto scams, he and his
he and his kids running these crypto scams where he's
getting all these people who want things from the American people.
So he thinks that because he's president, they want things

(28:58):
from him, so people should therefore legally be able to
bribe him, give him crypto, give him money. Because he
really believes he's like Napoleon, like he's the revolution, he's
the state. He really believes that, but he's not the
government is in the United States of America's supposed to
be a representative of the American people.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
It's the American people's money. It's American people's government.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Remember when he posted the Napoleon quote, he who saves
his country violates no law.

Speaker 6 (29:25):
Yeah right, I'm paraphrasing.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Anyth Yeah, I think it was made up. Napoleon quote too, right.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
It was apocryphal.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
It might be. I don't know either way.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
He boasted it.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I think it all capt Actually, of course yes he
did so.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yes, these claims were filed before he was president. Probably
from Trump's perspective, it would make sense drop the claims.
He doesn't need two hundred and thirty million dollars from
the US government to go into construction.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
He already has.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Millions and millions of dollars from the tech companies that
he just threw a dinner for. Not just tech companies,
but of these companies that are funding the White House
or innovations.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Who is doing this work?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
You cannot get people to show up on job sites
in Washington, DC because of ice running around everywhere.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Who's doing this work? This is an interesting question.

Speaker 10 (30:15):
Well.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
They also have said the Treasury employees, because this is
the East Wing, have to stop taking pictures of the construction.
Basically the only place you have a good view is
from Treasury. You really can't see it if you're I
mean press barely can see it. So I mean maybe
some people with like telephoto lenses are able to get pictures,
but it's really hard to see.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
So no idea.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
But on top of all of that, so basically he
has his net worth has ballooned because of crypto, or
the Trump family not worth as a balloon because of Crypto,
will certainly benefit him when he is out of office.
The two hundred and thirty million dollars in compensation from
taxpayers basically could just be dropped now that he is president.

(30:57):
These were claims that were filed before he was president
in damages he won, so he doesn't need the money.
Could just drop it and then have no significant conflict
of interest questions floating over the administration. But I feel
like maybe we're just beyondo that ran.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Right, Donald Trump, I will not take a salary because
I care so much about the American public. Keep this
four hundred thousand dollars, but I will take two hundred
and thirty million dollars from you two thirty.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Till two thirty. Well, part of this, it's more understandable.
I suppose as like a punishment and a disincentive for
further corruption if you aren't in the process of attempting
to remake reorganize the Department of Justice itself. So he
controls the Department of Justice right now, which is obviously
the predicate for this entire story. So if he's worried

(31:50):
about punishing the US government and creating a disincentive, which
by the way, was for the DJ acted horribly throughout
the Russia collusion investigationshment looks like Donald Trump getting re
elected and completely reorganizing and dismantling the DOJ. The two
hundred and thirty million dollars in potential payments seems like,

(32:10):
you know, small potatoes compared to him reorganizing the FBI
and the DOJ completely on like as president. So it
seems like the thing to do would just be drop
the claims.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
And he's also threatening, not threatned, threatening to use the
power and using the power of the government to go
after his his opposition.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
You can put up B three and actually a good story.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
In Barry Weiss's Free Press Inside the Trump Induced Chilling
Effect on Liberal Philanthropy by Gab Kaminski takes a look
at the what the what the effect already is of
Trump saying in the wake of Charlie Charlie Kirk's assassination
that he's going to go after all of the groups

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that he blew nims for it and who he blames
for it is like liberal nonprofit organizations, which is to
me patently absurd. But setting that aside, he has threatened
to use the irs to go after his his opponents,
which is completely new. Like you had this like kind

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of fake lowesst. Learner scandal fifteen years ago from the
Obama administration, where like the Republicans are like, oh, they're
going after conservative groups. They also went after like medical
marijuana groups, and they're.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Like, they went after more conservative groups than they did the.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Other Yeah, maybe more conservative groups, probably being shady about
their nonprofit status.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
I mean from the medical marijuana groups.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
I mean they were also being shady, so they went
after them too.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah, Like, and now they don't go after anybody except
so that they had years of non enforcement. Now what
Trump is going to bring back is selective enforcement, and
the qualification will be do I perceive you to be
part of the broad opposition? Do you represent uh an
interest group that has something to do with somebody who

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voted against me.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
And so what Comminski was finding here, uh is that
it's already basically crippling liberal foundations because uh, it's making
making it very hard for them to raise money because
nobody wants to be, you know, have the you know,
to be under the under the watchful eye of the
I R S or the d o J. They're spending

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the money that they do have on security and on
high powered lawyers to go through their books and and
and make sure that you know, they're completely buttoned up
because now they're they're all expecting that somebody's gonna be
looking through everything. And there are some cases, you know,
the Biden administration here actually deserves some blame because there
was this one case where Israel claimed that like these

(34:53):
five human rights groups in uh East Jerusalem or the
West Bank were uh, we're actually terrorist organisations. Europe demanded
all of the evidence for this is really handed over,
no evidence. In Europe was like, we're not we're not
counting this. This doesn't it doesn't work. Biden of course,
was like, oh, well, met yah who says these are terrorists,

(35:15):
they must be terrorists, and just accepted even though there
was reporting that the Biden mistician knew this was all
made up.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
They just accepted it and didn't push back.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
And so now the Trump administration is coming in and saying, ah,
this American nonprofit did you know has a fellowship program
with this Palestinian nonprofit? And Biden said that they were terrorists,
so therefore you're terrorists too.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
It's like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Well, and it's great.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
I mean, so this report will read a little bit
from it here. One head of a nonprofit told Gabe,
who's great reporter, we've had him on before, quote, everybody
is concerned across the board about being investigated. That person
oversees a nonprofit that has more than a billion dollars
and assets. Another told Gabe it is directly impacting the
ability of groups to raise money. There's a chilling effect

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across the entire nonprofit sector. That's echoed actually by some
groups on the right. So in the report, loss In Bader,
the head of Donors Trust quote, one of the country's
most influential right leaning nonprofits, told me that he has
heard from many liberal foundations since he told the Free
pressent Lea it's September that the stream of retaliatory rhetoric
since Kirk's assassination has the potential weaponized philanthropy in a

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way that is anathetical to philanthropic freedom. There's another there's
another Republican who was talking to Gabe about something similar
as well. So Philanthropy Roundtable actually is I would say
maybe right leaning quote under they say philanthropy is under attack,
and that they quote stand firmly on the side of
philanthropic freedom and defending the right of Americans to give,

(36:46):
how when and where they choose within the bounds of
the wall. Now, one interesting part of this, though, Ryan,
is it sort of reminds me of weaponized Farah enforcement,
so Foreign Agents Registration Act enforcement. Some of the quotes
in here are about nonprofits just like cleaning up their
activity and like hiring general counsels to make sure that

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they're actually operating in compliance with nonprofit standards, because that.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Is a thing.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
There are nonprofits that are just like widely out of
compliance and it's normalized with nonprofit standards and they get
all of the tax benefits of that. But interestingly, here
Gabe quotes Jason Smith, so Republican of Missouri, saying that
organizations who are influenced by our adversaries and who counter
to US national influence should not benefit from tax exempt status.

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The days of turning a blind eye to bad actors
in the US nonprofit sector are over.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
Jason Smith told Gabe, I'm reading.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
That and thinking, I know he is implying what you
just described, Brian about potential like Quo Hamas connections, sounds
a whole lot like APEX could be in trouble.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Under a future democratic administration.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
I guess, mom, Donnie can't be president since he wasn't
born here, But yeah, under a h I don't know.
I can't even think under President Platner. But see how
much that President Platner can say that that a Pack
is comrade Platter, yeah, support comrade Platter's supportive chairman Platner,

(38:14):
That a PACK is allied with an organization that is
the government of Israel, that is accused of war crimes
and crimes against humanity, humanity, and so therefore, yeah, it
should be itself dissolved. That's I can't imagine that a
world in which that actually happened.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Smith was very careful to use the word adversaries. Organizations
are influenced by our adversaries, but the law is really
not just adversaries, it's foreign control, and so it will
be like you can see how this is setting basically
doomsporal precedent, but we have yet to understand exactly how
they're going to implement this. There's obviously the MPSM seven

(38:56):
that Keen is reported on and talked about a lot
that you can understand how it already is having this
quote chilling effect that gave reports on. Now there are
and you and I would probably disagree on this. I
do think there is money that goes from groups like
TIDES to groups that do like bail funds for some
of these protests in Portland or it was in Minneapolis,

(39:20):
and I think there's there's probably reason to look into
whether they're going beyond just bail funds. I disagree on that,
like actually funding demonstrations that are organized for the purpose
of being like rabble rousing, breaking laws and the like.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Well, well, what most of these organizations in my experience
across the board, think that they are aligned with the
Democratic Party, like they're part of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Orbit we're talking about TIDES and such.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Yeah, and and and the groups that TIDES funds or
or passes money through to they're basically part of the
Democratic Party, and they all think that violent street demonstrations
hurt Democrats, Like that's it's that's a like antifi lefty.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Thing to want to you know, get kind of rowdy
in the street.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
They've supported bail funds for like Antifa organizations and that
sort of well.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Bail fund Bail funds for people who get arrested at
demonstrations are different.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
Totally legitimate.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I'm saying that there's I think there's actually probably and
I'm not saying actually that the federal government needs to
be a weaponized to go into it, but I think
that there's probably is some reason to suspect certain groups
that have gotten past money through pass through entities are
actually using that money not just for bail funds, but

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for supporting the demonstrations themselves, not just coming in after
and bailing people out.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Oh yeah, but yes, but demonstrations that's right there in
the First Amendment.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Demonstrations that they know are not demonstrations.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
That's what I'm that you think they're going to there's
opposed to.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Like like Portland, like black block Antifa type stuff.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
I would highly doubt it those that's like fifty Portland Portlanders.
Like I mean, if you're in Portland, let us know.
But like that's like fifty not.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Just Portland, but in other parts like Seattle and the like.
I'm trying to look for the who had some good
reporting on this. I just interviewed them, actually, but I'm
trying to remember where. Anyway, that's beside the point. The
bigger point is that the the why the larger effort here,
And this is what I should have started by saying,
I don't think there's some like vast widespread conspiracy to

(41:37):
prop up using George Soros money, violent Antifa rioters.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
I think that's the case. And I think what the
Trump administration is.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Doing is another example of obviously weaponizing the government in
a way that is going to be flipped around a
second there's a dem back in office. It doesn't matter
if it's happened to some degree before, it's going to
happen on a higher degree now into the future.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
And something you said, uh, stuck with me a few
weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Ryan, it's that when you start having this Chilean effect
on people getting into power or people organizing whatever, it
is you just incentivize people having action in the or
exercising agency in the political process, and that's dangerous for everyone.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Right. Yeah, it's like, I'll be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Because the galaxy brain argument would be that these liberal
foundations are actually taking like public anger and funneling it
into and shepherding it kind of into a democratic party
led political process where it is it is muffled and

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muzzled and kind of just dispersed in a way that
doesn't actually then represent any threat to the system, and
that if you get rid of that, then the anger
has nowhere to go, and so the anger then just
bursts out wherever it bursts out, in different posopulous moments.
Because the first analysis that people will have when they

(43:06):
start learning about philanthropy is like, oh, how ironic it
is that the children and the grandchildren and the descendants
of the Carnegie and the Fords and all these childs
and the Soros is like all of these or the
night all of these like oligarchs and plutocrats from one
hundred fift years ago, their descendants are now working against

(43:29):
the plutocratic interest and working to uplift the working class
and the public, and then you're saying, after you've been
in for a while, you're like, oh wait, actually, actually.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
It's what we think it is.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
It is it is capital just you know, exploiting tax
policy in order to hoard wealth and using that wealth
to actually kind of muffle discontent with this, with the
contradictions and problems that the plutocrats created one hundred and
fifty years ago.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
So go ahead and get rid of that and see
what happens.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Would be would be one would be the galaxy brain take.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
Hmm, yeah, well, I mean nonprofit.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
We should do a full segment on like nonprofit laws period,
like how they've just been.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, the shorter version of it, like it's it's actually
Soros and ties that are holding people back.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
You think that they're coming for you. No, no, no, it's
the opposite.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Not yet, yeah, not yet. Yeah, well we'll see, we
will see. But it's uh of a good report, so
somebody to keep an eye on for sure. And by
the way, it's it's pretty interesting that in this climate
where criticism of Trump is like your ticket to ostracization

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in the conservative movement, that you have donors, trust and
philanthropy round table saying anything because It's literally a climate
where a Trump is super sensitive to these loyalty litmus tests,
and b he's weaponizing the like it is weaponizing the
I R s and others to go look people's nonprofit statuses.
So that tells you how concerned people are about the

(45:04):
president that this could potentially set. And I think that
tells you how serious the president that's being set is.
So the fact that you have those groups talking about
it is significant in and of itself, even if you
don't buy it, and whatever you think there is bullshit.
It's a fairly bold thing to do in this environment
to even make those statements.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
If you're donor strusts your clients to be around.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Tables, this is true. Let's move to the New York
City mayoral election.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
Let's do it all kinds of good stuff.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Donald Trump very frustrated that his man, Andrew Cuomo is
not catching fire as an independent candidate in the general election. Cuomo,
I'm sure becoming increasingly bitter at the Acmans and the
others in the world who insisted that he pursued this
humiliating general election race. But Trump doing everything you can

(45:55):
to come to his defense. Let's roll a little bit
of our good president here.

Speaker 10 (46:00):
To explained there might be some dark, deep psychological reason
where they want to vote the opposite way. I don't
know what it is, but we have to win the
midterms otherwise all of the things that we've done, so
many of them are going to be taken away by
the radical left lunatics. I mean, we're going to end
up with a communist mayor in New York.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Can you believe it?

Speaker 10 (46:20):
A communist? Remember I would always say we will not
have a socialist elected in our country. Remember I'd say
that all the time, and I was right. We skipped socialists.
We got a communist elective. So I didn't tell a lie.
I didn't tell a lie. I was right, We'll have
a communist, not a socialist.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Anyway, So he also accused Mom Donnie of posing with
a terrorist. This this echoing what the New York Posts
and RNC has said that this is because he appeared
with any Mom New York City Saraj Wahaj, who the

(47:04):
right has been calling a quote unindicted co conspirator of
the ninety three World Trade.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Center bots technically not true, right right?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Which? Yeah, not true?

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Foxing's had to issue a correction on its story.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
But I see that the RNC is not corrected. It's
it's hit here.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
So hopefully he sends them a little letter because like,
you can't do that. And I've seen like the Laura
Lumer types say that that, you know, this is somebody
that the NYPD considered to be a threat and had
under surveillance. It's like, bro, the NYPD had every mosque
in the city under surveillance. Like the fact that the
NYPD considers somebody to be suspicious who was Muslim in

(47:41):
New York City does not mean that there was actually
anything remotely wrong with him.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
He was a character witness for the blind Chic.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Though, right because he was like, yeah, he was in the.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
Whatever he had been organizing like New York City.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Yes, and he's said things about you know, women's rights
and stuff that people would generally agree with. He's also
has a huge base of support in New York City,
and that's why Eric Adams and Build a. Blasio peered
with him, went to him because they want to get
his supporters to vote for them. It was never the community, yeah,

(48:18):
and it was never it was never controversial until you know,
Mom Donnie showed up. Although I'm sure they was decided
to do something with the Blasio. If you go back Adams,
I'm sure he got a pass.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
If if you go back and look, there's I mean,
he's he's been controversial. But and I maintained that if
a conservative was out there with someone who said the
things about gay people and women that he said.

Speaker 6 (48:38):
It would have been a much bigger story.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
All that is to say, what was it that Trump
had as his preacher, Like, not his preacher, but like
the guy it his inauguration. His inauguration was Page or
whatever his name John Paige.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Hay said crazy stuff obviously about but that's like.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
The guy doing the inaugural Trump.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
I mean, I don't remember whether it was Haggy, but
that would obviously. Trump is a slightly different story because
he talks to everybody. He took to Alex Jones, he
talks to it like.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
But if it were so, who's Trump to blame? Mom
Donnie from No.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
I have no disagreement for me on that, no disagreement
for me.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
On that whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
But again I don't I I think it's true that
this is very obviously much more of a controversy when
Mom Donnie does it and the coverage of the Mom
Donnie stuff has been Just the fact that Fox News
had to issue a correction for calling him an unindicted
co conspirator tells you what you need to know about
the standard for Mom Donnie going to see him now.

(49:40):
Adrian Cuomo went on Impulsive spelled p A U L.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Everybody loves to do a name play and I never
did Grim News.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
So that was that was a really brave decision I have.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Here's a little flavor of Cuomo on Impulsive with logan pol.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Ladies and gentlemen. Andrew Cuomo, why would you want to
be the mayor of New York?

Speaker 11 (50:07):
We are at a point where we have to make progress.
Mamdanni is a socialist, the child of wealth, never had
to work, never managed anyone. If Mandani is elected mayor,
Trump will take over New York.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
So why is Mamdani currently leading the polls.

Speaker 11 (50:22):
He has appeal with very simplistic solutions that would never work.
Fast free busses, Oh yeah, that sounds good.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
Did everyone was a fast bus when he was slow bus? Okay?

Speaker 4 (50:34):
And that's the backs of desperation to me, And of
course he probably is openly desperate at this point.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
We've seen him down in just about every pole.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Uh not look a good friend of Cuomo when you're
going on impulsive to laugh about kicking your brother's ass.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I mean, uh, Democrats, should you reach out go on
these different Oh sorry, independents because Cuomo tried to be
a Democrat and Democrats thoroughly rejected him. So he's independent
on there.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
But yeah, he looks like somebody who wants this election
to be over, annoyed at the fact that he has
to compete for it, frustrated at the public for not
allowing him to have this easy re entry into public life.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
And I guess just contemplating, like, you know, what.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Kind of big money organization he's going to like fall
back on after his inevitable defeat in upcoming election, because
you know, and he keeps thinking that, and Bill Ackman
keeps thinking that if Sleewah Curtis Leewah, the Republican nominee,
will drop out, that that would be the ticket for Cuomo.
But it doesn't make any sense, Like if you are

(51:53):
currently supporting Sliwah, you're you either want some outsider who's
says like wacky fun stuff all the time, which is
not Cuomo.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Or you are a very part as a Republican and
you live in New York City and you hate Cuomo
more than you hate Mom Donnie at this point, like
Cuomo has been you know, the Republicans of New York
hate Cuomo. Yeah, So on what planet if Sleiwa dropped out?
I would that the lead that zoramm Donny has over Cuomo,

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I think would actually expand. Like I said, this, this
weird idea that like everyone would just rush to support
Cuomo if only Sliwa wasn't there. It's just completely absurd.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
So John Hagey, by the way, did the benediction when
Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
Is what it looks like right now.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
And Hagy's one of these millennial like.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Oh, he's apocalyptic, like we need all of the Jews
in Israel to like burn so that we can bring
about the apocalypse and whatever.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
He said that Antichrist will be like Jewish and half
half Jewish and gay.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
He's said all kinds of stuff that.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Like I think he said, so we don't have to
wonder what would happen if Trump appeared with somebody, Well,
if Trump.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Views like that, right, and I have looked up. He
has appeared with Ted Cruz to my point to undermine
my point, but he's he's yeah, but I mean like
he's I'll say.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
This like if he has a following, he.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Has a following, and any conservatives who are acting like
this is just like that that it's utterly disqualifying for
mom Donnie to meet with a community leader, whether or
not you like that community leader.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
Everyone does that.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
My point is just I think it would be a
huge media circus. But that was beside the point of
what we were talking about. I think I genuinely think
it would be a huge media circus like the Haggy
stuff was at the time. So anyway, don't need to
get into that any more. We could do a full
segment on that. Let's take a look at this mashup
from Bill Marshaw last week when Andrew Rosserkin went on and.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Said, we have a financial literacy problem in America.

Speaker 12 (54:13):
But the financial literacy problem in America is affecting the
politics in America, which is that if you don't understand that,
if you actually decide that you think rent stabilization is
going to somehow increase the supply of apartments and homing
and homes in the country, you've got it completely backwards.
Because what happens is the developers say, well, if they're
going to stabilize the rent in this town, we don't

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really want to be developing in this town, in which
case there's not going to be enough supply, in which
case it's going to cost more to rent your apartment.
That's just the way it is. And unless people understand that,
when a politician stands up and say, excuse me, I'm
over here and I'm very happy to give you rent
stabilization and the free grows us and this and that,
and then it doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I think people are going to be in for a surprise.
I mean a couple of things.

Speaker 12 (54:58):
Disturbed by the global uh the globalize uh the what?

Speaker 9 (55:04):
What?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
What do you say?

Speaker 4 (55:05):
That?

Speaker 12 (55:05):
Just just this made me crazy over the weekend. Did
you see what he said globalized? He didn't say globalized, Yeah,
in Fidida, but he did say that he wouldn't condemn it.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
That clip is so painful. Globalized, the what globalized? The globalized?
The globalized? Oh, he didn't say it, but he said
he wouldn't condemn it.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
I will say that he's one of the harder working
guys in media, like he's doing a column for the time,
he's doing that.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Show every day. Yeah, he's probably meeting with bankers late
at night, so.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Like you know, like that, I feel bad for him
because of that. He's gonna talk.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Also that, so the guy's probably running on fumes. So
I I sympathize with people stumbling over their words.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
These we have had tried to get him on to
talk about his new book name.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Did he come on this Crystal and Sager.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
I don't think he did, but I was listening to
it this weekend. It's it's quite interesting.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
And so while I will sympathize with the stumbling over
the words, what I won't sympathize with is lecturing people
about not knowing how things work, and then objectively not
knowing how things work. Because he's talking about freeze the rent,
and he's saying that that will disincentivize developers from building
new projects. Except the freeze the rent program that MM

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Donnie's talking about would apply to particular buildings that are
already in the.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Rent stabilization system or whatever.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
That would not necessarily apply to all new developments, and
New York City housing law is extremely complicated. There's rent control,
there's rent stabilizer's lots of other things. But to say
that it would just blanket apply to all rent is
just false.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
And he lives in at least he works in New York.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
I don't know where he lives, so he should he
should know that so and it's fine to get that wrong,
but he shouldn't get that wrong. While you're also criticizing
kids for not having financial literacy.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Well, I also think the question of like, where's the
financial literacy among those who are overseeing the status quo?
If you're missing that part of it and you're criticizing
the people criticizing the status quo, while arguably I mean,
I don't.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
Want to accuse him.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Of defending the status quo in New York, but if
you're just picking on the quote financial illiteracy of people
who are now asking for rents to stabilization, which I
obviously disagree with, but there's a huge degree of financial
illiteracy among the people who are overseeing the status quo.
And if you're just attacking the people against the status quo,

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never you know, asking or condescending to the people who
are overseeing the status quo, then you or your priorities
are wrong.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
And then you wanted to talk about this AI slop
the Quomo's been serving up to people.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And if you're angry.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
About your electricity bill every month, you should be a
little bit frustrated that Quomo is using the juice to
create let's roll this utterly disturbing and bizarre AI ad.

Speaker 13 (58:07):
Hello, it's me de Blasio. You know New York City's
least favorite mayor. Today I wanted to introduce you to
my mini me mom, Danny Hia. If you thought my
policies were eber, you're gonna freaking hate this shaw Will boss.
In twenty twenty, I cut one billion dollars from the NYPD,
which dramatically spiked the crime and I wanted it fund

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the police entirely.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
So evil, so unsafe. What are we supposed to do
with that?

Speaker 4 (58:34):
This is profoundly embarrassing. I don't know who's laughing at that.
It's I mean, well, who's the market for that?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
You could laugh at it.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
You could laugh at it. You can't laugh with it.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
It's a little too pathetic to laugh at almost you can't.
I can imagine some people like you, if you were stoned.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
Yeah, that's not what he's going for though.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Then, but you'd be so confused because in order to
laugh at it, you have to have some sense of
what on earth it's trying to do.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
And then if.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
It doesn't do it, the subversion of that is very funny.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
But I keep like, what come on, come on, guy,
what are you doing?

Speaker 6 (59:10):
It's brutal, but it's the desperation and they.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
This is your king, this is who Trump wants to
be the mayor of New York City.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Well, I don't think any part of Trump wants him
to be the mayor of New York City.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
He just wants him.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
A little bit more than he wants melm Nani to
be the mayor of New York City.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Why is Trump not right?

Speaker 6 (59:27):
Great question?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
He has just as much chance as Cuomo and way
more is.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Way morez Well the Ai stuff and the Logan Paul
stuff like that Logan palm like he's got a huge audience.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
Does he have a huge audience.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Of people who are going to vote in the New
York City mayoral election? Based on an interview that Logan?
Probably not. But he's like Cuomo is down double digits
to a thirty two year old Democratic Socialist and just
within the last like what two weeks before the election,
he decides to get this desperate. That's how bad. I mean,

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his whole campaign has been really bad. It's escalating in
its awfulness.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Remarkably, it really is. You wouldn't think it could have
gotten worse.

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
And here we are, here we are now.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
I can't wait for his kind of post election analysis
of what he did wrong in the general.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
That'll be good, that'll be good.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
My favorite part is that he now is going around saying,
why is everybody talking so much about Israel?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
This is a New York City mayoral election. Incredible, you
made the whole thing about Israel.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
But he could have used that tactic in the primary,
when Mam Donnie was saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I'm gonna rest Nyaho or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
No, But when Mam Donnie was saying, hey, he got
Mam Donnie was praised for his excellent answer to that
question in the debate, where he said, I'm not going
to Israel, I'm staying in I'm the mayor of New York.
And Cuomo then decides to get back in the race
on a bold platform of learning literally nothing from getting
his ass handed to him by a thirty two year
old Democratic socialist in the prime Mary and has continued

(01:01:01):
to talk talk, talk about Israel as though it's the
only way he could possibly win the New York City
mayor all release, so let's put this last element on
the screen for this block. He was at a town
hall on the Upper West Side Monday night with Alisha Bisel,
who is I believe, the daughter, I'm sorry, the son
of Elie Vessel, so obviously the famous author Holocaust survivor.

(01:01:25):
And the quote from Alisha Bissell was, what would our
fathers think that we have to be here tonight in
this moment, this moment that they spent their entire lives
working to make sure never happened again.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Ryan, Yeah, yeah, he's like to campaign with Eli Bezel's
son while at the close of the race, while at
the same time complaining that it's all that's too much
about Israel. Is I'm not well thought out as a
campaign strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
By the way, everybody's read Night, which is, you know,
amendous work of literature. He also wrote, Dawn, you read
that one.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
I think we had to read it in school.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
It's crazy. It's like it's like his character and a
British soldier and he and his job is to execute
the British soldier at dawn because they were killing a
lot of British soldiers at the time. And it's just
him having a conversation with the guy that's the kill
in the morning. It's really interesting, disturbing book. But yeah,

(01:02:31):
so I don't know what, like what's Cuomo doing here.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
The final thought on this and maybe you can explain
it to me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
But the right, and it's not even just the right,
it's people like Andrew Cuomo who want at the same
time to look at mom Donnie as a radical left
culture warrior. And Cuomo isn't on the sort of he's

(01:02:59):
not on the as much as some people on the
right are. But saying this guy is queer liberation means
to fund the police. That's my favorite mom Donnie tweet, obviously,
But you can't have that and then say he's an Islamist.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
At the same time, Like that's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
It's like insane because nothing is required to make any sense.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
But like I think that is the that is the
narrative on the right right now about Mam Donnie is
that he law is right, queer surial, He is a
political isthmust. I've heard people try to scare that circle before,
but like it's the same thing with ilhan Omar or.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Is a Shaqueria law.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
That's that's something different.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
But it makes like that's that is that landing with anybody,
because it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
Really it does. It's on its face.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
The common sense question to that is like you're telling
me he's extremely pro gay and that he now met
with this m mom who has said, you know, don't
make don't go out with sticks and look for homosexuals,
but make them feel uncomfortable. You're saying that Mamdani and whorse,
is that secretly that he's he's he's fooling us into

(01:04:04):
he's actually like a full Cheria in Manhattan type person.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
To Trump's credit, he really just sticks with the communist
thing like his his friend Laura Loomer just goes one
on the Muslim hit, whereas Trump, I think recognizes that
that's that's absurd and just he goes just hard on
the he's a he's a comedy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
Mmm, yes, that's I guess that is Trump's credit.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Yeah, we'll give him that one.