October 2, 2025 • 42 mins
Saagar and Ryan discuss WH short circuits on corruption allegation, Larry Ellison TikTok takeover, Pro Israel crackdown on social media.
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Yesterday, at the White House, spokesperson Carolyn Levitt was pressed
on the question of how is it appropriate that son
in law Jared Kushnu, who no longer has an official
role in the White House but does have business Intagonoleans
all throughout the Gulf, is allowed to be involved with
those countries.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Let's fall this.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
How did the White House decide that it is appropriate
for Jared Kushner to be working on matters that involve guitar?
The UA in Saudi Arabia, three countries that combined have
given him more than two point five billion dollars for
his investment firm.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
I think it's frankly despicable that you're trying to suggest
that it's inappropriate for Jared Kushner, who is widely respected
around the world and has great trust in relationships with
these critical partners in these countries, to strike a twenty
point comprehensive, detailed peace plan that no other administration would
ever be able to achieve.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And so Jared is.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Donating his energy and his time to our government, to
the President of the United States to secure world peace,
and that is a very noble thing.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Twenty point plan has not actually been accepted yet by
Palestinian factions, waiting on word on that Jeremy's scale at
Dropsite has a good story interviewing some top PHJ official
and others on our Top of Moss official.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
On where they stand on that.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
But setting that aside, there's something so deeply instructive about
the Karlen Levitt finding it offensive to even suggest that
two point five billion dollars might influence Jared Kushner's object
He's widely respected around the world. Right, He's very widely
respected around the world. The elephant in the Middle East
(02:18):
is has been Steve Whitkoff, who is friends with friends
of my frenemies, because like you know, they're both in
real estate and development, so they're you know, they're they're
and they're both raising money from the golf, so that
puts them in both in competition and in some harmony
here and there. Witkoff himself has been you know, working
(02:40):
on issues all over the world, but in particularly the golf,
while his two sons, Zach and Alex Whitkof have been
going around the globe with their tin cup out filling
it with either bitcoin or or dollars. We can put
up this next element up on the screens New York
Times investigation into Alex Witkoff, where Midi's envoy pitched piece,
(03:05):
his son pitched investors.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And they haven't they haven't dead the rights here.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So basically as Witcoff is working on the cees Fire
framework and with Cutter as the mediator with the most
amount of influence over hamas Alex Witcoff of the Witcoff Group,
which also has Steve Whitkoff as a member. Like Steve
(03:32):
Witkoff sold some of his shares but is still an
owner of the Witcoff Group. Even if he wasn't it's
his sons, So there's you're not delinking that, yes, but
he still is literally an owner of the Witcoff Group.
So his son Alix goes to the golf and hits
up the Cutteries and says, we want money for this
for the witcough Group, like give us money for these investments,
(03:53):
and the and the Cutteries confirmed it. The history here
is very instructive. In twenty seventeen, Jared, when Jared Kushner
was actually in the White House, his company went to
cutter to try to get a bailout for their six
sixty six Fifth Avenue property. So in two thousand and seven,
(04:17):
Kushner at the time bought I think it was for
one point eight billion dollars, the biggest Manhattan real estate
purchase in history. And then like the next week, the
bottom fell out of the real estate market and the
Kushner family because of this, Jared Kushner folly was looking
at destitution. The loans were coming due to ten year loans.
(04:38):
The loans are coming due twenty seventeen, he goes to
the Gulf as he's a White House official, hits up
the cutteries for money. They look at it and they're like,
this is a terrible investment, and they turn him down.
They thought they were getting an investment offer. This was
not an up and on the up and up commercial transaction.
(05:00):
This was a shakedown. Within weeks of them saying no
to this, the UAE and Saudi Arabia nearly invade their
actual militaries.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Instead, they launch a blockade.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes I remember this on the economy of Kutter, which
had a base with ten to twenty thousand service members.
Rex Tillerson immediately comes in and slams Saudi Arabia and
the Amoradi, saying, what are you doing? These are our allies.
We have a base here. You cannot blockade this country.
Jared Kushner comes in, and all of this has been
(05:36):
since been reported and was reported at a time by US.
He comes in and says, oh, no, no, it's fine.
We're siding with Saudi Arabia and the amoradis over.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
The qataris here.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
That blockade lasted all the way through the Trump administration,
badly damaged the county economy. Only when Biden came in
did they finft did they finally lift it. And I
talked to a very high level official from KUTZ who said,
if we had known what the cost was going to be,
(06:09):
of saying, you would know to the Kushners, we would
have paid it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We wish we had paid it. So that sets up Witkough.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And so although Kushner day two of like his post
White House time, gets a two billion dollar investment from
Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Into this which we've extensively talked about.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Private equity fund, which is there's no evidence they've invested
any of it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, and you remember Ryan that the internal documents released
by the Times, they were like, this isn't a good.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Investment, but we're going to do it. Some of those docums. Yeah,
they were like, well we're going to do it because
of the state power involved.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Two point five billion is nothing, you know, paid for,
level of influence in the potential future next administration.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And of course Jared Kushner was present at the press
conference with Prime Minister Netanyahu and Trump talking about the
Gaza Lago future development. He of course has been pitching
privately since before the November two thousand elections.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Right exactly, And so when and Kushner actually instructed the
Tony Blair Institute. Back in the Spring Times, Visrael just
reported this instructing Tony blairans who come up with a
post war, post war plan for redevelopment. And then Trump
puts Tony Blair and Larry Ellison has given or pledged
three hundred and fifty million dollars to the Tony Blair Institute.
(07:24):
So this is an Allison project over here. And so
that is the context for when Alex Whitcoff is going
to Doha asking for investments. They understand that this is
not a here's a pitch deck, and we think that
you know, you're looking at a good you know, four
and a half to five and a half percent return
on your investment. It's a nice little country you've got here.
(07:48):
Real shame if something would happen to it.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And so and so the wit Coughs are.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Deeply in bed with the countries, which goes to the
point that you were making at the top of the
pro you get the israelis complaining a lot about Witcoff's
relationship with Kutcher, and it's.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like, okay, you know what, Yeah, we're gonna give it
to him. As they said in Ireland, fair play. Yeah,
we're giving it to him.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
To be fair, The katari Is say that they did
not invest actually in the fund, at least this specific time.
They do note quote as recently as made, the wick
cough Group did receive some one hundred million from a
financial trust that is run by the private equity firm
Apollo Global, which is partly owned by Guitar.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
They're going to find some way to not piss them off.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The Wickcoff families relationship with Qatar traces back to the
first Trump administration, including Stick Wickcoff. By the time Trump
was back in the White House, the relationship had evolved
and the Wickcoff Group saw Qatar as a quote go
to source of funding. Now the current White House is
defending it, saying this is a smear of Steve Wickcoff.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They say Qatar has used as.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Five hundred and fifty seven billion dollars sovereign wealth fund
to a mass global influence in the US. Focal point
has been real estate investment, and that they have pounded
more than four were billion dollars into the Manhattan real
estate market alone, including the Plaza, the Saint Regis, and
a stake in the Empire State Building. Now this has
basically been a golf project now for some time. Right,
(09:11):
this is the wick Hoffs see Jared Kushner. This gets
to the original question. But what I have not stopped
being able to think about is Jeremy Skahill. In our
reaction to the Trump deal, he was like, look, Trump
has an enormous amount of dollar signs in his eyes,
and that's part of the reason that this deal may
get done.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And I was like, oh, man, that.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Is dark think about in terms of his own personal
influence may want to see something like this happen and
Jared Kushner's presence.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There is not a surprise.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
By the way, all of this is a lead in
to an extraordinary diplomatic development that is honestly insane. Let's
go and put this up here on the screen. Trump
has now given Katar a quote unprecedented security guarantee after
the Israeli attack. He says an executive order signed by
President Trump Monday would provide Guitar a security guarantee with
(10:06):
conditions similar to NATO's Article five. Everybody keep in mind
NATO Article five. By the way, I have a lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Issues with NATO.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
As anybody watches the show knows at the least NATO
is ratified by the US Senate. Okay, there's a legal
process through which we all agree. I guess that we're
going to die for North Montenegro, Macedonia or whatever. Stupid
in my opinion, but whatever, it's still ratified by our
democratic process. Well, this is just by executive fiat that
(10:33):
the United States will have give similar Article five protection.
They say, the Unprecedented Security Agreement says it will treat
any armed attack on the country as a threat to
the peace and security of the United States. I do
not think people understand how insane it is to have
an executive fiat order security guarantee. Not only is that
not how it's supposed to work, it's it's wild and
(10:56):
it's one of those where look to the original premise
of the question, does Qatari influence on the Trump people's
orbit have anything to do with this? I cannot rule
that out. I cannot rule that out at this time.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I think, I mean, can you imagine how pure I
soul you would have to be for billions of dollars
not to have any influence.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
On right of course people, it's nonsensical. People are swayed
by like a free app.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Exactly advertiser, not all probably, you're exactly right. Yeah, It's like,
you know, getting a disc a two dollars fifty cent
discount at Starbucks is enough to like cause a line
for the drive through. Everyone swept billions of dollars. I'm
not gonna have any impact. I mean, I just think
it's I think it has not come under nearly enough
(11:45):
scrutiny right now. It's mostly the pro Israel side, which
is furious with Trump for giving this security guarantee for Qatar.
But this is the issue with the entire US Israel relationship.
Trump brings Bebe here. He's like, you need to call
and apologize, and Bibe's like, okay, you know whatever. Right,
(12:06):
he calls and he apologized, release the photo, releasing the
photo of Trump holding the phone, and it's great, you know,
good optics. But then instead of telling Israel, hey, don't
ever do that again, we just invent some NATO Article
five thing for Qatar to get them to serve as
the mediators.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Isn't there a much easier way.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
To achieve what we're trying to do here, to try
and make sure that there's no attacks on Qatar, which
is what who's causing them?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Israel?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Right, Israel bombs Iran, which bombs or whatever fires missiles
at Qatar face saving, we all move on, great, all right?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
How do you stop that?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Don't let his roll bomb iron simple, don't let his
real bomb Quitar simple?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Why do we allow this to happen? Because we have
to invent all of these quasi solutions? Right, and it
was a singular problem.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Right, they don't they don't trust Israel, and they don't
they also don't trust us because there's this gaping open
question that that says, wait a minute, there's an American
military base right outside of Doha. How did Israel pull
off a bombing? If you say you didn't know about it?
What good is your American military base if planes can
(13:18):
just fly in? Of course, like there had to be
a stand doown order, like because you've got people on
the radar being like, uh, this plane is not on
anybody's like manifest Why what's it doing? It's heading for
downtown Doha? Like just leave it alone? Were good? Otherwise,
(13:39):
like what what are you doing in this country? And
so as Jeremy Skale also reported at drop site, UH
two Arab sources told him that Marco Rubio told the
counteries that he could not promise that Israel would not
hit them again. Wow, nobody in the US is reported
(14:00):
that because they don't have the Arab sources on that,
and of course Rubio is not going to say it,
but they didn't deny it when we went to for comment.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And so if you're the cutter.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Is, how can you not guarantee that you've just been
told Trump said they're not gonna do it again?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Rubios, I don't know if they're you could do it,
they might, yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So then they go back to Trump and they're like,
we need a security guarantee, we need this in writing
that you will go to war with whoever attacks us,
and Trump is like, all right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I guess you just didn't really think about it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
What Qatar has got knowing they have, you know, like
you just said, they're beeping with Saudi Arabia with the UAE.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
What are we doing here? You know, be supposed to
come the Amoradis go after them right now.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's definitely conceivable.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I'm sure we have kill switches and all of their weapons,
so that, yeah, presumably it would be a pretty quick war.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It's such a you know, you really do have to
marvel at the wisdom of the Gulf because for years
they were like, look, all we have to do is
bribe these people. You know, we'll pay them one hundred billion,
you know, dollars Saudi Arabia, all this money EA sport.
Eventually we need to do a secon about that. The
whole EA sports thing kind of crazy, yea. They're taking
it in private with who Jared Kushner. Right, It's like, okay,
(15:10):
but you put all this together and just the way
that this is all working, this is nuts. Like in
terms of personal relationship, the White House.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Being like he's a world respected No, he's not. Okay,
he's a joke.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Everybody who's ever dealt with him knows he is a
complete joke. The only reason that he has any money
right now is because of his previous influence with the
Trump family. Prior to that, him his father and all
that not a great reputation. Everybody knew it. And it's
only because of his access to power and potential influence
here on Trump that we're that we are where we are,
(15:43):
and they're denigrating that they're signing security guarantees with Qatar
and then this wick Cough thing. As I said, you know,
the Zionists have attacked him for a while as a
Katari asset, which they also ignore that Bebe's inner circle
is also potentially a Katari asset.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Whatever, They're not consistently they took money from cuts.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
As honest people here, Ryan, we have to admit it's
not looking good here for the Wickop group.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Right, and this was the most likely way it was
going to unfold once the US after World War Two.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's like, we're going to do this in dollars, and
we're going to.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Just absolutely flood these families, not even countries. Basically, we're
just going to flood these families, the sold family, et cetera,
with ungodly amounts of wealth. They're gonna then have these
giant pools of capital that they're going to figure out
what to do with, and our political sism is going
(16:33):
to figure out a way to make sure that they
are basically forced to reinvest it all back here in
bribes here.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
In the United States.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
In a moment, we're going to be joined by our
favorite guy that's the TikTok handle for a TikTok content creator,
who is going to walk us boomers and gen xers
over here through the new censorship regime that's underway over
at TikTok. Related to that, we're going to discuss first
(17:03):
the politics of not just the TikTok takeover, but the
man who's at the center of it, and that's Oracle
founder Larry Ellison, who is the on again, off again
richest man in the world. He was briefly the richest
man in the world when his Oracle stock blew up
went back down. So and I was like, you know,
neck and neck with with with Musk and these other
(17:23):
these other oligarchs. But we can put up this new
article that I have with Martaz Hussin over at drop site,
and the whole story is is worth the read because
we're getting access to a bunch of email correspondents from
the from the twenty tens, in the late late twenty
tens that is really opening.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Up a window into.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Worlds that have been occluded for for a long time.
And there's some really fascinating stuff that we're that we're
putting up.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So this was to start with.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Ron Proser was the at the time of these email
exchanges that we're reviewing here. The Israeli ambassador to the
United Nations. Marco Rubio, who in the email exchange they
call Mario Rubio, was a senator from Florida. He'd been
elected in twenty ten as a kind of pretty arch
conservative like he came up with a Tea party movement
(18:21):
and he's launching a presidential campaign. So Proser and Larry Ellison,
according to these emails that we've obtained and that have
not been previously reported, are emailing back and forth about
a variety of different things. They talk about having dinner
and then they start talking about Mario Rubio.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Marco Rubio, and a Proser says, and.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
We can put up this first email exchange here between them.
I had a great time too, Ron at dinner. I'm
looking forward to the next time, Larry says, PS, I'll
tell you how dinner goes with Senator Rubio, and then
put up the response there, Larry High, how was the
conversation with Mario Rubio? Did he pass your scrutiny? Did
(19:05):
you have a chance to talk about Israel? Would love
to chat. My cell is big hug and again, thank
you for a wonderful evening with you Ron. A few
hours later, Ellison responds in the affirmative. He says, quote, Hi, Ron,
great meeting with Marco Rubio. I set him up to
meet with Tony Blair. Marco will be a great friend
(19:28):
for Israel. So this is twenty fifteen. Ellison then goes
on to put five million dollars into Marco Rubio's super
pac for the presidential campaign. Doesn't work out for him,
as we know, Donald Trump gets into the race. Donald
Trump wins. Marco Rubio though has now since become a
(19:49):
Secretary of State. Now, so backing up Larry Allison, he
is an oligarch who has really kind of snuck into
our politics. He's played he's played a very effective, long
and quiet game, although it's getting difficult for him to
kind of escape as much public scrutiny as he has
been able to in the past, just because of the
(20:09):
sheer dominance that that he's.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Been able to display.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Oracle is a you know, is a database software technology
that has because it sells also to businesses, has put
itself kind of everywhere in the world very quietly. Even
though you know, Oracle's just it's not one of the
top companies that you think of, but when it comes
to it's it's kind of persistence, in its prevalence in
(20:37):
your life. It's it's absolutely everywhere. Now Allison himself, I
believe it was twenty seventeen he made the largest ever
donation to Friends of the IDF, which is an American
nonprofit that supports the Israeli military. And this line here,
who says I set him up to meet with Tony Blair.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
That's key.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
So why on earth is Larry Ellison setting anybody up
to meet with the former UK prime ministers most known
for going along with George Bush with the invasion of
the Iraq Corps. So after he becomes Prime Minister, Tony
Blair sets up the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
Larry Ellison has given or pledged more than three hundred
(21:20):
and fifty million dollars. I think we have an element
on that one to the Tony Blair Institute. Recent reporting
by the New Statesman and Lighthouse Reports reveals what everybody
had kind of already known ABOUTI Tony Blair Institute, that
(21:42):
it effectively has merged with Oracle in significant ways, Like
do you have board members who are both on TBI
and also on Oracle? You would have Oracle employees able
to basically just jump into the TBI calendars and schedule
meetings with executives. So they entered this news station published
this report that interviewed tons of Oracle and and Blair
(22:05):
Institute employees and said, yeah, basically we're one and the
same here that the Blair Institute is acting as kind
of a sales arm for Oracle. This is important because
in the spring this past spring, as Times of Israel
just recently reported, Jared Kushner asked the Tony Blair Institute
to come up with a post Gaza, post war, post
(22:30):
genocide reconstruction and redevelopment plan. Some of those details leaked,
So the Tony Blair Institute did put together this this project.
As you if you're following along, you saw that when
Donald Trump announced that he was creating this Board of
Peace that was going to be chaired by himself, he
(22:52):
said the key figure on it was going to be
none other than Tony Blair, which which brings everything for Circle. Obviously,
at the center of all of this is the Secretary
of State Marco Rubio, who helped set up the TikTok deal.
As a senator, Rubio, by the way, was one of
the most outspoken against TikTok the whole time. And obviously
(23:15):
Rubio plays a role as well in the in the
diplomatic lead up in the rollout of this Gaza plan,
which you know, if the reporting is accurate, that the
Blair Institute is an arm effectively of Oracle or is
influenced by that, influenced by right at the three hundred
and fifty million dollars going to buy you some influence.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
In a nonprofit. Think we can honestly also yes, and.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Being in regular meetings and as this New Statesman reported,
like effectively like, yeah, it is alleging to me Ryan,
I know there was a lot of liberal freak out
about Elon and Twitter.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I think the Ellison family is way more effective right now.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I mean, let's just think about it.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yes, like we have the TikTok connection now in terms
of the back like the data which will be five
we can put that up there about quote, I mean,
you can't even make this stuff up. Like after buying Paramount,
the like Larry Ellison's son now wants to buy Warner
Brothers Discovery.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
This is David Ellison.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
This is the guy who loves Barry Weiss. Well, this
is one of the richest families in the world. Who
is now controlling CBS News, Paramount sky Dance, which is
one of the biggest movie studios, Paramount Plus, which means
a ton of like the red meat content which is created,
you know, the whole Taylor Sheridan universe, et cetera. Now
they want to buy WBD, so they would own CNN,
(24:41):
they would own HBO Max. Now they're going to own TikTok.
Not to mention Oracle, which is the backbone of like
the computer data centers over the.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Indig already does the data work for TikTok, Yeah, which
was the original, right is the original thing.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So put that all together and you're like, hey, whoa, Like,
we got it. We've been chasing the wrong That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
So, you know, leftists wake up Elon. Yes, he's the
villain of old it's the Ellison family now like it's wild, but.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know he's also he's weird.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know, Larry Elson owns an entire private island in
Hawaiian He owns a rich Carlton hotel and basically runs
his own little kingdom.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You can go read about it. It's wild.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
He has somehow you know, been under the radar. Obviously
it's been very influential on Republican politics. But the level
of control now that this family has over American political
discourse and particularly has like an unending you know, basically
desire to shape American public opinion to be pro Israel,
we should all be very very skeptical.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So we also have a quote in this story from Oracle,
CEO of Saffra Catz saying, this is from one of
the emails. We believe that we have to embed the
love and respect for Israel in the American culture.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, like they're very explicit.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
About and that was from twenty fifteen, right, this is
before this is even a thing ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
And if and to your point about Ellison and his interestingness,
let's roll e six.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If you think you think you're not bother enough, see
let's roll six.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Your body cams will be transmitting that the police will
be on their best behavior because we record. We're constantly recording,
watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be
on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting
everything that's going on.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
When you come to government and what government's doing, they're
obviously there are artificial intelligence tools, and some of them,
I know the Oracle, have developed around financial management for government.
But also tell us a bit about what, because you're
right at the forefront of this revolution, what it means
for what government should do in terms of its digital infrastructure,
(26:51):
you know, digitaliz D, data centers and so on.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
How do you take advantage of these incredible AI models.
And the first thing a country needs to do is
to unify all of their data so it.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Can be consumed and used.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
By the AI model. You have to take all of
your healthcare data, your diagnostic data, your electronic health records,
your genomic data, and you know in the Middle East,
in the UA, for example, data they're incredibly rich in data.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, I'm out. I'm out on that.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I regret to inform you it is too late. He
is now basically the most powerful man in the world.
I just want to underline what he just said. Citizens
will be on their best behavior because we are constantly
recording and reporting everything that's going on.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
See, this is where I'm just like, you know, might
as well be China because at least the government and
not I would at least take the government. I'm being said,
I would take the authoritary in Chinese government over.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That because there's at least some participatory democratic ways to
pressure that government. They don't have elections, but here we're
going to have the worst of all worlds because we'll
have the outlet of fake elections where people's anger at
the system can be channeled into these days where you
(28:10):
go and check a box, when it goes into a void,
its just poof gone.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You gotta be.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Careful before you go down that road rhyme. It might
lead you to some interesting theories of governance.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, Okay, I mean, look, we tried this one
and this is what we're getting.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's true. All right, let's get to TikTok. Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Now, moving to TikTok, which Larry Elson is in the
process of taking over. We're going to be joined by
Guy Christiansen, who is the creator behind the account, your
favorite guy.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Guy. Welcome to Breaking Points, Thanks for joining us. Good
to see you, guy.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
So you're going to walk a couple of boomers through
what is going on over at TikTok and so and
we've been talking offline.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You've been trying to educate me with some success.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But you know you've got a lot of it's a
difficult task, so it's not on you. So tell me
what I'm gonna was September what is it, thirteenth or
twenty third?
Speaker 9 (29:14):
September thirteenth?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Okay, yeah, So what happened on September thirteenth?
Speaker 10 (29:19):
TikTok changed their free speech guidelines and it has to
do with their new hate speech zar who was hired
through ADO lobbying.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Her name is Erica Mendel.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
She's an next IDF instructor, she's a former State Department contractor,
and she says that Zionism is an identity.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
That goes hand in hand with Judaism for her.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
And so TikTok hired Erica Mendel under pressure by IDEO lobbying,
which you know, the National Policy Director takes credit for.
And about two or three days after they hired Mendel,
everyone whoses TikTok actually saw this. They pushed out a
post notification when you open the app says they're changing
the guidelines. And in these guidelines, they changed a whole
(30:02):
bunch of things around. That makes it so much harder
to talk about Palestine. You can't talk about graphic incidents
or violence in the context of a public interest, and
they explicitly list war as something you can't talk about.
They make it much harder to criticize the state of
Israel as an illegal apartheid state or characterize the IDF
(30:24):
as terrorist forces in the way they lay out criticisms
of national origin.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And I also noticed that it's said that if you
mentioned and I do reporting on TikTok now, and so
I will say, like, let's do this like one or
two minute videos where I'm saying like, okay, this is
Hamasa is responding to. And I don't even do the
like I know that some people will say like h
because they're worried about the algorithm not spreading their stuff.
I don't care if it's spreads stuff because we end
(30:54):
up then posting the video on Twitter and Instagram whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So I just use all the words.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
But like I will say, like, okay, Hamas has received
the takeuler leave at sea's fire offer from Trump in Israel.
Here is what Hamas is saying, Here's what pousetsum Hot
is saying. Because I'm a news reporter and like, those
are the organizations that are involved in the news.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And I saw correct what I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I thought I saw in the guidelines that every time
I mentioned them, I have to then follow that up
by condemning their existence.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Is that, like, how how does this work?
Speaker 9 (31:27):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
They require anyone who makes videos on TikTok now to
explicitly denounce all designated terrorist organizations by the State Department
when mentioned in a neutral context.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
So instead of praise be upon him, as.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Condemnation be upon them.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, you has said that within seventy two hours they
will respond to this.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So crazy? All right?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
So guy, I know you have compiled some Can we
have some examples? Can we put these on the screen
so you can just explain it again to a boomer
like me, some of these things about why videos are
getting taken down, just just walk us through these.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
So just to put it into context, prior to the
September thirteen changes, prior to Erica Mendel entering the company,
I looked at before I came on the past six
months what happened, and I only had two videos taken down?
And since September thirteenth, it's been eleven Wow, and it's
not been that long since you know, they switched over.
(32:28):
So what you're looking at here are notification screens that
TikTok sends creators when they remove their videos, and so
you'll see on the left, I'm trying to submit an appeal.
That was a video where I talked about Max's reporting
and the grays Zone, about Charlie Kirk and his supposed
to turn on Israel leading up to his death. And
(32:50):
you know, the guidelines make a cut out for public interests,
and so I thought I could appeal, but of course not.
They took it off the for you page and all feeds,
which you can see here on the right where it's
just visibility restricted. It's not eligible for the forty feed.
That means nobody can see it unless they explicitly like
open up my profile and go to my page and
(33:11):
find the specific video, or else they're not going to
see it at all.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Huh, that is crazy. Do we have any more guys
that we can show here? Yeah, so yeah, we have
a few more here. There's one here on the right
where what is this one about?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Exactly? This is again the gray Zone report where I
think it was.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
I think there were multiple videos about Grayzone reporting that
we're removed talking about Israel or Charlie Kirk. And then
on the left is actually a screenshot trying to show
that there's no option to appeal, so there's no recourse
for that.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And what about these two what do we see here?
Speaker 10 (33:43):
So the one on the left is you'll see your
videos under review and can't be shared right now. TikTok
does this thing. It's essentially a shadow banning where they
don't actually tell you it's taken down, but nobody can
see it. So it's like in this limbo stage. That
was a video I published last night that thankful went
through the review system, but it can get stuck in
(34:04):
this limbo for up to twenty four hours or longer,
which is what happened with this interview on the video
the right, which is now able to be viewed in
my profile, but it's not able to be pushed in feeds, so.
Speaker 9 (34:17):
It's stuck at like a few thousand views.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And so and this was an interview you did.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
You were at the ADC conference out out in Dearborn, right,
so you did an interview there and then it just
it takes like days for it to post.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Yeah, so it went up and I think it got
you know, sometimes I lit it out in the feed.
I got like a hundred likes and then they took
it off the for you page and for I think
it was like thirty six hours.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
And what are you saying in these videos that you
think is triggering? Well A, I mean, I think you've
had some controversial interactions with them. Maybe are they like
looking at you specifically or are you saying things in
these videos that is triggering?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We're both like, what do you think is going on?
Speaker 10 (35:03):
I think that I'm not being targeted specifically yet as
far as I can tell, what all these videos have
in common that have been removed since September thirteenth, or
that I am talking about Israel. I'm talking about, you know,
apex influence, I'm talking about Larry Ellison and the attempt
to put TikTok under Zionists control. I'm criticizing Israel in
(35:25):
some way, and it's the same thing I've heard from
my audience, my friends who are creators, ever since September thirteenth,
they've had the same exact experience. Videos that are more
informational and critical of Israel get removed. Sometimes, like comedy videos,
lighter criticisms of Israel can make it through. But that's
been all of our experience, and I did want to
(35:47):
point out that in the new free speech guidelines, TikTok
outlines these conspiracy theories that blame quote unquote powerful groups
and are likely to undermine public confidence. And I believe
that this is the part of the guidelines that they've
been using to justify taking down videos criticizing Apak, the
pros or a lobby Zionus influenced in the United States.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
It's so vague.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean, that is so crazy guy.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So I mean, yeah, I mean the idea that you
can't mention Hamas without saying I condemn Hamas is preposterous.
How are you supposed to do any reporting, you know whatsoever?
YouTube tried to do this at one point where we
weren't allowed to play videos of Trump claiming the election
was stolen, and I was like, he does that every
time he's spent slight How can we possibly cover this?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
And they wanted us to come in and they want
to yeah, it wasn't stolen.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Right, They wanted us to come every time. How am
I supposed to do that? How am I supposed to
do my job?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But for you, I mean, I guess, look at the
very least that was done for our country, right, you
know here we're talking about a different country. Guy, in terms,
I mean, I don't know about your career or any
of that. Are you going to be able to continue
to make a living you and you know, other creators
and et cetera, the kind of rely on this, Like
how is this affecting the entire ecosystem of political creators
(37:02):
on TikTok so?
Speaker 10 (37:04):
I would assume that it's demonetizing everybody pretty much across
the board, because another aspect of getting your video taken
off the feed, taking off the fore you recommendation feed,
is that if you get a certain number of these
quote unquote violations or like soft violations, like five of
them in the span of a month, you're kicked out
(37:24):
of the out of the monetization program and you can't
get any payments for any work you do on TikTok.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
So.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
You know that's about to happened to me.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
It's happened to me a few times in the past
two years as I've advocated for Palestinian liberation. But I mean,
how are we meant to do our advocacy when we
can't even name the state, We can't reference their crimes,
We can't discuss the censorship, and they're like, I mean,
there's such a thing going on where you can't talk
about Larry Ellison and or natan Yahoo meeting with American influencers.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, but they can post their videos of doging Manetta.
Now you can't post about it.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
What do you think the long term implications of this
would be?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Because there's there's this.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Idea among the Larry Ellison types of the world and
Marco Rubio's and others that that TikTok and Instagram really
did change people's understanding of what was going what was
of Israel because they were able to see the images
of what was happening in Gaza, which which then implies
that there's some world that they are able to create
(38:33):
in which people would not be able to see those images.
And I'm just skeptical that any amount of algorithmic suppression
can it can fully suppress an ongoing assault of two
million people on a daily basis, Like it's got to
like it's going to get through somehow. And to me,
(38:56):
the YouTube Spotify in particular remain like the places where
people actually go to shape their thinking and their ideology.
Because that's where you spend more time engaged in thought
with in long form, with this show or whether it's
Rogan or whoever you're listening to, Whereas TikTok and Instagram
and the others, that's just kind of some basic raw
(39:18):
material that I suspect you could get elsewhere. But maybe
I'm wrong, and maybe they actually can lock all this down.
So from your understanding of how young people consume media,
is it is there a way that they could actually
algorithmically lock all this down.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
I think that it's pretty scary to see Trump talk
about retraining the algorithm in connection with what nan Ya
who has said about how this TikTok purchase is number
one for their eighth front of the digital war. It's
going to be very consequential, and it's so it's entirely
(39:56):
possible that they can, you know, block out all Palestine
related content, all left wing content. It's possible, But I
think that the cat's pretty much out of the bag
here in America. If you had come and asked me
a year earlier, I might be saying something different. But
we're the majority who are here in America who are
calling it genocide.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
What Israel's doing to Gaza.
Speaker 10 (40:19):
And you know, I'm talking to people, I'm talking to
people my age across the political spectrum all the time.
You know, the one thing I hear coming out of
every single one of their mouths is the word apek.
Speaker 9 (40:30):
They know.
Speaker 10 (40:31):
And so when Israel continues to make these moves and
become bolder, more aggressive and desperate and trying to win
back the narrative, when back American support, it's only I
think going to backfire on them. You know, the ADL
just got attacked by the right on X.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Right.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
Yeah, I mean, I'm eating anything to take down the ADL.
But you know, every single time they are exposed pain
influencers seven thousand dollars a post, and like in that
recent Farah released by Wiki Leaks and Responsible state Craft,
it just brings more attention on them. And people are
(41:14):
not gonna you know, there's a rapidly declined trust in
any pros or voices they do see on social media
or on news outlets anymore. And so I think this
is just like a losing game. It may even be
a better strategy, I think, to try to start influencing
this in the shadows once again.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
But I don't know if guy, thanks for joining us, man,
and please do keep us updated. If you get banned
or anything like that, let us know and we'll keep
everybody updated.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
But very insightful.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Again, as a boomer doesn't use TikTok, I actually cannot
believe those content guidelines.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That is nuts. Well, all right, okay, we'll see you later.
Speaker 9 (41:52):
Guy, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you Ryan.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
There will be a Friday show tomorrow. Everybody enjoy that
and we'll see you all later.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Wanted to put
Speaker 8 (42:07):
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Yesterday, at the White House, spokesperson Carolyn Levitt was pressed
on the question of how is it appropriate that son
in law Jared Kushnu, who no longer has an official
role in the White House but does have business Intagonoleans
all throughout the Gulf, is allowed to be involved with
those countries.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Let's fall this.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
How did the White House decide that it is appropriate
for Jared Kushner to be working on matters that involve guitar?
The UA in Saudi Arabia, three countries that combined have
given him more than two point five billion dollars for
his investment firm.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
I think it's frankly despicable that you're trying to suggest
that it's inappropriate for Jared Kushner, who is widely respected
around the world and has great trust in relationships with
these critical partners in these countries, to strike a twenty
point comprehensive, detailed peace plan that no other administration would
ever be able to achieve.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And so Jared is.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Donating his energy and his time to our government, to
the President of the United States to secure world peace,
and that is a very noble thing.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Twenty point plan has not actually been accepted yet by
Palestinian factions, waiting on word on that Jeremy's scale at
Dropsite has a good story interviewing some top PHJ official
and others on our Top of Moss official.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
On where they stand on that.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
But setting that aside, there's something so deeply instructive about
the Karlen Levitt finding it offensive to even suggest that
two point five billion dollars might influence Jared Kushner's object
He's widely respected around the world. Right, He's very widely
respected around the world. The elephant in the Middle East
(02:18):
is has been Steve Whitkoff, who is friends with friends
of my frenemies, because like you know, they're both in
real estate and development, so they're you know, they're they're
and they're both raising money from the golf, so that
puts them in both in competition and in some harmony
here and there. Witkoff himself has been you know, working
(02:40):
on issues all over the world, but in particularly the golf,
while his two sons, Zach and Alex Whitkof have been
going around the globe with their tin cup out filling
it with either bitcoin or or dollars. We can put
up this next element up on the screens New York
Times investigation into Alex Witkoff, where Midi's envoy pitched piece,
(03:05):
his son pitched investors.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And they haven't they haven't dead the rights here.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So basically as Witcoff is working on the cees Fire
framework and with Cutter as the mediator with the most
amount of influence over hamas Alex Witcoff of the Witcoff Group,
which also has Steve Whitkoff as a member. Like Steve
(03:32):
Witkoff sold some of his shares but is still an
owner of the Witcoff Group. Even if he wasn't it's
his sons, So there's you're not delinking that, yes, but
he still is literally an owner of the Witcoff Group.
So his son Alix goes to the golf and hits
up the Cutteries and says, we want money for this
for the witcough Group, like give us money for these investments,
(03:53):
and the and the Cutteries confirmed it. The history here
is very instructive. In twenty seventeen, Jared, when Jared Kushner
was actually in the White House, his company went to
cutter to try to get a bailout for their six
sixty six Fifth Avenue property. So in two thousand and seven,
(04:17):
Kushner at the time bought I think it was for
one point eight billion dollars, the biggest Manhattan real estate
purchase in history. And then like the next week, the
bottom fell out of the real estate market and the
Kushner family because of this, Jared Kushner folly was looking
at destitution. The loans were coming due to ten year loans.
(04:38):
The loans are coming due twenty seventeen, he goes to
the Gulf as he's a White House official, hits up
the cutteries for money. They look at it and they're like,
this is a terrible investment, and they turn him down.
They thought they were getting an investment offer. This was
not an up and on the up and up commercial transaction.
(05:00):
This was a shakedown. Within weeks of them saying no
to this, the UAE and Saudi Arabia nearly invade their
actual militaries.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Instead, they launch a blockade.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes I remember this on the economy of Kutter, which
had a base with ten to twenty thousand service members.
Rex Tillerson immediately comes in and slams Saudi Arabia and
the Amoradi, saying, what are you doing? These are our allies.
We have a base here. You cannot blockade this country.
Jared Kushner comes in, and all of this has been
(05:36):
since been reported and was reported at a time by US.
He comes in and says, oh, no, no, it's fine.
We're siding with Saudi Arabia and the amoradis over.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
The qataris here.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
That blockade lasted all the way through the Trump administration,
badly damaged the county economy. Only when Biden came in
did they finft did they finally lift it. And I
talked to a very high level official from KUTZ who said,
if we had known what the cost was going to be,
(06:09):
of saying, you would know to the Kushners, we would
have paid it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We wish we had paid it. So that sets up Witkough.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And so although Kushner day two of like his post
White House time, gets a two billion dollar investment from
Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Into this which we've extensively talked about.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Private equity fund, which is there's no evidence they've invested
any of it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, and you remember Ryan that the internal documents released
by the Times, they were like, this isn't a good.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Investment, but we're going to do it. Some of those docums. Yeah,
they were like, well we're going to do it because
of the state power involved.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Two point five billion is nothing, you know, paid for,
level of influence in the potential future next administration.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And of course Jared Kushner was present at the press
conference with Prime Minister Netanyahu and Trump talking about the
Gaza Lago future development. He of course has been pitching
privately since before the November two thousand elections.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Right exactly, And so when and Kushner actually instructed the
Tony Blair Institute. Back in the Spring Times, Visrael just
reported this instructing Tony blairans who come up with a
post war, post war plan for redevelopment. And then Trump
puts Tony Blair and Larry Ellison has given or pledged
three hundred and fifty million dollars to the Tony Blair Institute.
(07:24):
So this is an Allison project over here. And so
that is the context for when Alex Whitcoff is going
to Doha asking for investments. They understand that this is
not a here's a pitch deck, and we think that
you know, you're looking at a good you know, four
and a half to five and a half percent return
on your investment. It's a nice little country you've got here.
(07:48):
Real shame if something would happen to it.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And so and so the wit Coughs are.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Deeply in bed with the countries, which goes to the
point that you were making at the top of the
pro you get the israelis complaining a lot about Witcoff's
relationship with Kutcher, and it's.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like, okay, you know what, Yeah, we're gonna give it
to him. As they said in Ireland, fair play. Yeah,
we're giving it to him.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
To be fair, The katari Is say that they did
not invest actually in the fund, at least this specific time.
They do note quote as recently as made, the wick
cough Group did receive some one hundred million from a
financial trust that is run by the private equity firm
Apollo Global, which is partly owned by Guitar.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
They're going to find some way to not piss them off.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The Wickcoff families relationship with Qatar traces back to the
first Trump administration, including Stick Wickcoff. By the time Trump
was back in the White House, the relationship had evolved
and the Wickcoff Group saw Qatar as a quote go
to source of funding. Now the current White House is
defending it, saying this is a smear of Steve Wickcoff.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They say Qatar has used as.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Five hundred and fifty seven billion dollars sovereign wealth fund
to a mass global influence in the US. Focal point
has been real estate investment, and that they have pounded
more than four were billion dollars into the Manhattan real
estate market alone, including the Plaza, the Saint Regis, and
a stake in the Empire State Building. Now this has
basically been a golf project now for some time. Right,
(09:11):
this is the wick Hoffs see Jared Kushner. This gets
to the original question. But what I have not stopped
being able to think about is Jeremy Skahill. In our
reaction to the Trump deal, he was like, look, Trump
has an enormous amount of dollar signs in his eyes,
and that's part of the reason that this deal may
get done.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And I was like, oh, man, that.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Is dark think about in terms of his own personal
influence may want to see something like this happen and
Jared Kushner's presence.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There is not a surprise.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
By the way, all of this is a lead in
to an extraordinary diplomatic development that is honestly insane. Let's
go and put this up here on the screen. Trump
has now given Katar a quote unprecedented security guarantee after
the Israeli attack. He says an executive order signed by
President Trump Monday would provide Guitar a security guarantee with
(10:06):
conditions similar to NATO's Article five. Everybody keep in mind
NATO Article five. By the way, I have a lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Issues with NATO.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
As anybody watches the show knows at the least NATO
is ratified by the US Senate. Okay, there's a legal
process through which we all agree. I guess that we're
going to die for North Montenegro, Macedonia or whatever. Stupid
in my opinion, but whatever, it's still ratified by our
democratic process. Well, this is just by executive fiat that
(10:33):
the United States will have give similar Article five protection.
They say, the Unprecedented Security Agreement says it will treat
any armed attack on the country as a threat to
the peace and security of the United States. I do
not think people understand how insane it is to have
an executive fiat order security guarantee. Not only is that
not how it's supposed to work, it's it's wild and
(10:56):
it's one of those where look to the original premise
of the question, does Qatari influence on the Trump people's
orbit have anything to do with this? I cannot rule
that out. I cannot rule that out at this time.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I think, I mean, can you imagine how pure I
soul you would have to be for billions of dollars
not to have any influence.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
On right of course people, it's nonsensical. People are swayed
by like a free app.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Exactly advertiser, not all probably, you're exactly right. Yeah, It's like,
you know, getting a disc a two dollars fifty cent
discount at Starbucks is enough to like cause a line
for the drive through. Everyone swept billions of dollars. I'm
not gonna have any impact. I mean, I just think
it's I think it has not come under nearly enough
(11:45):
scrutiny right now. It's mostly the pro Israel side, which
is furious with Trump for giving this security guarantee for Qatar.
But this is the issue with the entire US Israel relationship.
Trump brings Bebe here. He's like, you need to call
and apologize, and Bibe's like, okay, you know whatever. Right,
(12:06):
he calls and he apologized, release the photo, releasing the
photo of Trump holding the phone, and it's great, you know,
good optics. But then instead of telling Israel, hey, don't
ever do that again, we just invent some NATO Article
five thing for Qatar to get them to serve as
the mediators.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Isn't there a much easier way.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
To achieve what we're trying to do here, to try
and make sure that there's no attacks on Qatar, which
is what who's causing them?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Israel?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Right, Israel bombs Iran, which bombs or whatever fires missiles
at Qatar face saving, we all move on, great, all right?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
How do you stop that?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Don't let his roll bomb iron simple, don't let his
real bomb Quitar simple?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Why do we allow this to happen? Because we have
to invent all of these quasi solutions? Right, and it
was a singular problem.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Right, they don't they don't trust Israel, and they don't
they also don't trust us because there's this gaping open
question that that says, wait a minute, there's an American
military base right outside of Doha. How did Israel pull
off a bombing? If you say you didn't know about it?
What good is your American military base if planes can
(13:18):
just fly in? Of course, like there had to be
a stand doown order, like because you've got people on
the radar being like, uh, this plane is not on
anybody's like manifest Why what's it doing? It's heading for
downtown Doha? Like just leave it alone? Were good? Otherwise,
(13:39):
like what what are you doing in this country? And
so as Jeremy Skale also reported at drop site, UH
two Arab sources told him that Marco Rubio told the
counteries that he could not promise that Israel would not
hit them again. Wow, nobody in the US is reported
(14:00):
that because they don't have the Arab sources on that,
and of course Rubio is not going to say it,
but they didn't deny it when we went to for comment.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And so if you're the cutter.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Is, how can you not guarantee that you've just been
told Trump said they're not gonna do it again?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Rubios, I don't know if they're you could do it,
they might, yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So then they go back to Trump and they're like,
we need a security guarantee, we need this in writing
that you will go to war with whoever attacks us,
and Trump is like, all right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I guess you just didn't really think about it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
What Qatar has got knowing they have, you know, like
you just said, they're beeping with Saudi Arabia with the UAE.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
What are we doing here? You know, be supposed to
come the Amoradis go after them right now.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's definitely conceivable.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I'm sure we have kill switches and all of their weapons,
so that, yeah, presumably it would be a pretty quick war.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It's such a you know, you really do have to
marvel at the wisdom of the Gulf because for years
they were like, look, all we have to do is
bribe these people. You know, we'll pay them one hundred billion,
you know, dollars Saudi Arabia, all this money EA sport.
Eventually we need to do a secon about that. The
whole EA sports thing kind of crazy, yea. They're taking
it in private with who Jared Kushner. Right, It's like, okay,
(15:10):
but you put all this together and just the way
that this is all working, this is nuts. Like in
terms of personal relationship, the White House.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Being like he's a world respected No, he's not. Okay,
he's a joke.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Everybody who's ever dealt with him knows he is a
complete joke. The only reason that he has any money
right now is because of his previous influence with the
Trump family. Prior to that, him his father and all
that not a great reputation. Everybody knew it. And it's
only because of his access to power and potential influence
here on Trump that we're that we are where we are,
(15:43):
and they're denigrating that they're signing security guarantees with Qatar
and then this wick Cough thing. As I said, you know,
the Zionists have attacked him for a while as a
Katari asset, which they also ignore that Bebe's inner circle
is also potentially a Katari asset.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Whatever, They're not consistently they took money from cuts.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
As honest people here, Ryan, we have to admit it's
not looking good here for the Wickop group.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Right, and this was the most likely way it was
going to unfold once the US after World War Two.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's like, we're going to do this in dollars, and
we're going to.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Just absolutely flood these families, not even countries. Basically, we're
just going to flood these families, the sold family, et cetera,
with ungodly amounts of wealth. They're gonna then have these
giant pools of capital that they're going to figure out
what to do with, and our political sism is going
(16:33):
to figure out a way to make sure that they
are basically forced to reinvest it all back here in
bribes here.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
In the United States.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
In a moment, we're going to be joined by our
favorite guy that's the TikTok handle for a TikTok content creator,
who is going to walk us boomers and gen xers
over here through the new censorship regime that's underway over
at TikTok. Related to that, we're going to discuss first
(17:03):
the politics of not just the TikTok takeover, but the
man who's at the center of it, and that's Oracle
founder Larry Ellison, who is the on again, off again
richest man in the world. He was briefly the richest
man in the world when his Oracle stock blew up
went back down. So and I was like, you know,
neck and neck with with with Musk and these other
(17:23):
these other oligarchs. But we can put up this new
article that I have with Martaz Hussin over at drop site,
and the whole story is is worth the read because
we're getting access to a bunch of email correspondents from
the from the twenty tens, in the late late twenty
tens that is really opening.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Up a window into.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Worlds that have been occluded for for a long time.
And there's some really fascinating stuff that we're that we're
putting up.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So this was to start with.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Ron Proser was the at the time of these email
exchanges that we're reviewing here. The Israeli ambassador to the
United Nations. Marco Rubio, who in the email exchange they
call Mario Rubio, was a senator from Florida. He'd been
elected in twenty ten as a kind of pretty arch
conservative like he came up with a Tea party movement
(18:21):
and he's launching a presidential campaign. So Proser and Larry Ellison,
according to these emails that we've obtained and that have
not been previously reported, are emailing back and forth about
a variety of different things. They talk about having dinner
and then they start talking about Mario Rubio.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Marco Rubio, and a Proser says, and.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
We can put up this first email exchange here between them.
I had a great time too, Ron at dinner. I'm
looking forward to the next time, Larry says, PS, I'll
tell you how dinner goes with Senator Rubio, and then
put up the response there, Larry High, how was the
conversation with Mario Rubio? Did he pass your scrutiny? Did
(19:05):
you have a chance to talk about Israel? Would love
to chat. My cell is big hug and again, thank
you for a wonderful evening with you Ron. A few
hours later, Ellison responds in the affirmative. He says, quote, Hi, Ron,
great meeting with Marco Rubio. I set him up to
meet with Tony Blair. Marco will be a great friend
(19:28):
for Israel. So this is twenty fifteen. Ellison then goes
on to put five million dollars into Marco Rubio's super
pac for the presidential campaign. Doesn't work out for him,
as we know, Donald Trump gets into the race. Donald
Trump wins. Marco Rubio though has now since become a
(19:49):
Secretary of State. Now, so backing up Larry Allison, he
is an oligarch who has really kind of snuck into
our politics. He's played he's played a very effective, long
and quiet game, although it's getting difficult for him to
kind of escape as much public scrutiny as he has
been able to in the past, just because of the
(20:09):
sheer dominance that that he's.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Been able to display.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Oracle is a you know, is a database software technology
that has because it sells also to businesses, has put
itself kind of everywhere in the world very quietly. Even
though you know, Oracle's just it's not one of the
top companies that you think of, but when it comes
to it's it's kind of persistence, in its prevalence in
(20:37):
your life. It's it's absolutely everywhere. Now Allison himself, I
believe it was twenty seventeen he made the largest ever
donation to Friends of the IDF, which is an American
nonprofit that supports the Israeli military. And this line here,
who says I set him up to meet with Tony Blair.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
That's key.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
So why on earth is Larry Ellison setting anybody up
to meet with the former UK prime ministers most known
for going along with George Bush with the invasion of
the Iraq Corps. So after he becomes Prime Minister, Tony
Blair sets up the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
Larry Ellison has given or pledged more than three hundred
(21:20):
and fifty million dollars. I think we have an element
on that one to the Tony Blair Institute. Recent reporting
by the New Statesman and Lighthouse Reports reveals what everybody
had kind of already known ABOUTI Tony Blair Institute, that
(21:42):
it effectively has merged with Oracle in significant ways, Like
do you have board members who are both on TBI
and also on Oracle? You would have Oracle employees able
to basically just jump into the TBI calendars and schedule
meetings with executives. So they entered this news station published
this report that interviewed tons of Oracle and and Blair
(22:05):
Institute employees and said, yeah, basically we're one and the
same here that the Blair Institute is acting as kind
of a sales arm for Oracle. This is important because
in the spring this past spring, as Times of Israel
just recently reported, Jared Kushner asked the Tony Blair Institute
to come up with a post Gaza, post war, post
(22:30):
genocide reconstruction and redevelopment plan. Some of those details leaked,
So the Tony Blair Institute did put together this this project.
As you if you're following along, you saw that when
Donald Trump announced that he was creating this Board of
Peace that was going to be chaired by himself, he
(22:52):
said the key figure on it was going to be
none other than Tony Blair, which which brings everything for Circle. Obviously,
at the center of all of this is the Secretary
of State Marco Rubio, who helped set up the TikTok deal.
As a senator, Rubio, by the way, was one of
the most outspoken against TikTok the whole time. And obviously
(23:15):
Rubio plays a role as well in the in the
diplomatic lead up in the rollout of this Gaza plan,
which you know, if the reporting is accurate, that the
Blair Institute is an arm effectively of Oracle or is
influenced by that, influenced by right at the three hundred
and fifty million dollars going to buy you some influence.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
In a nonprofit. Think we can honestly also yes, and.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Being in regular meetings and as this New Statesman reported,
like effectively like, yeah, it is alleging to me Ryan,
I know there was a lot of liberal freak out
about Elon and Twitter.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I think the Ellison family is way more effective right now.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I mean, let's just think about it.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yes, like we have the TikTok connection now in terms
of the back like the data which will be five
we can put that up there about quote, I mean,
you can't even make this stuff up. Like after buying Paramount,
the like Larry Ellison's son now wants to buy Warner
Brothers Discovery.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
This is David Ellison.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
This is the guy who loves Barry Weiss. Well, this
is one of the richest families in the world. Who
is now controlling CBS News, Paramount sky Dance, which is
one of the biggest movie studios, Paramount Plus, which means
a ton of like the red meat content which is created,
you know, the whole Taylor Sheridan universe, et cetera. Now
they want to buy WBD, so they would own CNN,
(24:41):
they would own HBO Max. Now they're going to own TikTok.
Not to mention Oracle, which is the backbone of like
the computer data centers over the.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Indig already does the data work for TikTok, Yeah, which
was the original, right is the original thing.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So put that all together and you're like, hey, whoa, Like,
we got it. We've been chasing the wrong That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
So, you know, leftists wake up Elon. Yes, he's the
villain of old it's the Ellison family now like it's wild, but.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know he's also he's weird.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know, Larry Elson owns an entire private island in
Hawaiian He owns a rich Carlton hotel and basically runs
his own little kingdom.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You can go read about it. It's wild.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
He has somehow you know, been under the radar. Obviously
it's been very influential on Republican politics. But the level
of control now that this family has over American political
discourse and particularly has like an unending you know, basically
desire to shape American public opinion to be pro Israel,
we should all be very very skeptical.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So we also have a quote in this story from Oracle,
CEO of Saffra Catz saying, this is from one of
the emails. We believe that we have to embed the
love and respect for Israel in the American culture.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, like they're very explicit.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
About and that was from twenty fifteen, right, this is
before this is even a thing ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
And if and to your point about Ellison and his interestingness,
let's roll e six.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If you think you think you're not bother enough, see
let's roll six.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Your body cams will be transmitting that the police will
be on their best behavior because we record. We're constantly recording,
watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be
on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting
everything that's going on.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
When you come to government and what government's doing, they're
obviously there are artificial intelligence tools, and some of them,
I know the Oracle, have developed around financial management for government.
But also tell us a bit about what, because you're
right at the forefront of this revolution, what it means
for what government should do in terms of its digital infrastructure,
(26:51):
you know, digitaliz D, data centers and so on.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
How do you take advantage of these incredible AI models.
And the first thing a country needs to do is
to unify all of their data so it.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Can be consumed and used.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
By the AI model. You have to take all of
your healthcare data, your diagnostic data, your electronic health records,
your genomic data, and you know in the Middle East,
in the UA, for example, data they're incredibly rich in data.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, I'm out. I'm out on that.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I regret to inform you it is too late. He
is now basically the most powerful man in the world.
I just want to underline what he just said. Citizens
will be on their best behavior because we are constantly
recording and reporting everything that's going on.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
See, this is where I'm just like, you know, might
as well be China because at least the government and
not I would at least take the government. I'm being said,
I would take the authoritary in Chinese government over.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That because there's at least some participatory democratic ways to
pressure that government. They don't have elections, but here we're
going to have the worst of all worlds because we'll
have the outlet of fake elections where people's anger at
the system can be channeled into these days where you
(28:10):
go and check a box, when it goes into a void,
its just poof gone.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You gotta be.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Careful before you go down that road rhyme. It might
lead you to some interesting theories of governance.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, Okay, I mean, look, we tried this one
and this is what we're getting.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's true. All right, let's get to TikTok. Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Now, moving to TikTok, which Larry Elson is in the
process of taking over. We're going to be joined by
Guy Christiansen, who is the creator behind the account, your
favorite guy.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Guy. Welcome to Breaking Points, Thanks for joining us. Good
to see you, guy.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
So you're going to walk a couple of boomers through
what is going on over at TikTok and so and
we've been talking offline.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You've been trying to educate me with some success.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But you know you've got a lot of it's a
difficult task, so it's not on you. So tell me
what I'm gonna was September what is it, thirteenth or
twenty third?
Speaker 9 (29:14):
September thirteenth?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Okay, yeah, So what happened on September thirteenth?
Speaker 10 (29:19):
TikTok changed their free speech guidelines and it has to
do with their new hate speech zar who was hired
through ADO lobbying.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Her name is Erica Mendel.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
She's an next IDF instructor, she's a former State Department contractor,
and she says that Zionism is an identity.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
That goes hand in hand with Judaism for her.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
And so TikTok hired Erica Mendel under pressure by IDEO lobbying,
which you know, the National Policy Director takes credit for.
And about two or three days after they hired Mendel,
everyone whoses TikTok actually saw this. They pushed out a
post notification when you open the app says they're changing
the guidelines. And in these guidelines, they changed a whole
(30:02):
bunch of things around. That makes it so much harder
to talk about Palestine. You can't talk about graphic incidents
or violence in the context of a public interest, and
they explicitly list war as something you can't talk about.
They make it much harder to criticize the state of
Israel as an illegal apartheid state or characterize the IDF
(30:24):
as terrorist forces in the way they lay out criticisms
of national origin.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And I also noticed that it's said that if you
mentioned and I do reporting on TikTok now, and so
I will say, like, let's do this like one or
two minute videos where I'm saying like, okay, this is
Hamasa is responding to. And I don't even do the
like I know that some people will say like h
because they're worried about the algorithm not spreading their stuff.
I don't care if it's spreads stuff because we end
(30:54):
up then posting the video on Twitter and Instagram whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So I just use all the words.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
But like I will say, like, okay, Hamas has received
the takeuler leave at sea's fire offer from Trump in Israel.
Here is what Hamas is saying, Here's what pousetsum Hot
is saying. Because I'm a news reporter and like, those
are the organizations that are involved in the news.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And I saw correct what I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I thought I saw in the guidelines that every time
I mentioned them, I have to then follow that up
by condemning their existence.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Is that, like, how how does this work?
Speaker 9 (31:27):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
They require anyone who makes videos on TikTok now to
explicitly denounce all designated terrorist organizations by the State Department
when mentioned in a neutral context.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
So instead of praise be upon him, as.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Condemnation be upon them.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, you has said that within seventy two hours they
will respond to this.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So crazy? All right?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
So guy, I know you have compiled some Can we
have some examples? Can we put these on the screen
so you can just explain it again to a boomer
like me, some of these things about why videos are
getting taken down, just just walk us through these.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
So just to put it into context, prior to the
September thirteen changes, prior to Erica Mendel entering the company,
I looked at before I came on the past six
months what happened, and I only had two videos taken down?
And since September thirteenth, it's been eleven Wow, and it's
not been that long since you know, they switched over.
(32:28):
So what you're looking at here are notification screens that
TikTok sends creators when they remove their videos, and so
you'll see on the left, I'm trying to submit an appeal.
That was a video where I talked about Max's reporting
and the grays Zone, about Charlie Kirk and his supposed
to turn on Israel leading up to his death. And
(32:50):
you know, the guidelines make a cut out for public interests,
and so I thought I could appeal, but of course not.
They took it off the for you page and all feeds,
which you can see here on the right where it's
just visibility restricted. It's not eligible for the forty feed.
That means nobody can see it unless they explicitly like
open up my profile and go to my page and
(33:11):
find the specific video, or else they're not going to
see it at all.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Huh, that is crazy. Do we have any more guys
that we can show here? Yeah, so yeah, we have
a few more here. There's one here on the right
where what is this one about?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Exactly? This is again the gray Zone report where I
think it was.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
I think there were multiple videos about Grayzone reporting that
we're removed talking about Israel or Charlie Kirk. And then
on the left is actually a screenshot trying to show
that there's no option to appeal, so there's no recourse
for that.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And what about these two what do we see here?
Speaker 10 (33:43):
So the one on the left is you'll see your
videos under review and can't be shared right now. TikTok
does this thing. It's essentially a shadow banning where they
don't actually tell you it's taken down, but nobody can
see it. So it's like in this limbo stage. That
was a video I published last night that thankful went
through the review system, but it can get stuck in
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this limbo for up to twenty four hours or longer,
which is what happened with this interview on the video
the right, which is now able to be viewed in
my profile, but it's not able to be pushed in feeds, so.
Speaker 9 (34:17):
It's stuck at like a few thousand views.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And so and this was an interview you did.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
You were at the ADC conference out out in Dearborn, right,
so you did an interview there and then it just
it takes like days for it to post.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Yeah, so it went up and I think it got
you know, sometimes I lit it out in the feed.
I got like a hundred likes and then they took
it off the for you page and for I think
it was like thirty six hours.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
And what are you saying in these videos that you
think is triggering? Well A, I mean, I think you've
had some controversial interactions with them. Maybe are they like
looking at you specifically or are you saying things in
these videos that is triggering?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
We're both like, what do you think is going on?
Speaker 10 (35:03):
I think that I'm not being targeted specifically yet as
far as I can tell, what all these videos have
in common that have been removed since September thirteenth, or
that I am talking about Israel. I'm talking about, you know,
apex influence, I'm talking about Larry Ellison and the attempt
to put TikTok under Zionists control. I'm criticizing Israel in
(35:25):
some way, and it's the same thing I've heard from
my audience, my friends who are creators, ever since September thirteenth,
they've had the same exact experience. Videos that are more
informational and critical of Israel get removed. Sometimes, like comedy videos,
lighter criticisms of Israel can make it through. But that's
been all of our experience, and I did want to
(35:47):
point out that in the new free speech guidelines, TikTok
outlines these conspiracy theories that blame quote unquote powerful groups
and are likely to undermine public confidence. And I believe
that this is the part of the guidelines that they've
been using to justify taking down videos criticizing Apak, the
pros or a lobby Zionus influenced in the United States.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
It's so vague.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean, that is so crazy guy.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So I mean, yeah, I mean the idea that you
can't mention Hamas without saying I condemn Hamas is preposterous.
How are you supposed to do any reporting, you know whatsoever?
YouTube tried to do this at one point where we
weren't allowed to play videos of Trump claiming the election
was stolen, and I was like, he does that every
time he's spent slight How can we possibly cover this?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
And they wanted us to come in and they want
to yeah, it wasn't stolen.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Right, They wanted us to come every time. How am
I supposed to do that? How am I supposed to
do my job?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But for you, I mean, I guess, look at the
very least that was done for our country, right, you
know here we're talking about a different country. Guy, in terms,
I mean, I don't know about your career or any
of that. Are you going to be able to continue
to make a living you and you know, other creators
and et cetera, the kind of rely on this, Like
how is this affecting the entire ecosystem of political creators
(37:02):
on TikTok so?
Speaker 10 (37:04):
I would assume that it's demonetizing everybody pretty much across
the board, because another aspect of getting your video taken
off the feed, taking off the fore you recommendation feed,
is that if you get a certain number of these
quote unquote violations or like soft violations, like five of
them in the span of a month, you're kicked out
(37:24):
of the out of the monetization program and you can't
get any payments for any work you do on TikTok.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
So.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
You know that's about to happened to me.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
It's happened to me a few times in the past
two years as I've advocated for Palestinian liberation. But I mean,
how are we meant to do our advocacy when we
can't even name the state, We can't reference their crimes,
We can't discuss the censorship, and they're like, I mean,
there's such a thing going on where you can't talk
about Larry Ellison and or natan Yahoo meeting with American influencers.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, but they can post their videos of doging Manetta.
Now you can't post about it.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
What do you think the long term implications of this
would be?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Because there's there's this.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Idea among the Larry Ellison types of the world and
Marco Rubio's and others that that TikTok and Instagram really
did change people's understanding of what was going what was
of Israel because they were able to see the images
of what was happening in Gaza, which which then implies
that there's some world that they are able to create
(38:33):
in which people would not be able to see those images.
And I'm just skeptical that any amount of algorithmic suppression
can it can fully suppress an ongoing assault of two
million people on a daily basis, Like it's got to
like it's going to get through somehow. And to me,
(38:56):
the YouTube Spotify in particular remain like the places where
people actually go to shape their thinking and their ideology.
Because that's where you spend more time engaged in thought
with in long form, with this show or whether it's
Rogan or whoever you're listening to, Whereas TikTok and Instagram
and the others, that's just kind of some basic raw
(39:18):
material that I suspect you could get elsewhere. But maybe
I'm wrong, and maybe they actually can lock all this down.
So from your understanding of how young people consume media,
is it is there a way that they could actually
algorithmically lock all this down.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
I think that it's pretty scary to see Trump talk
about retraining the algorithm in connection with what nan Ya
who has said about how this TikTok purchase is number
one for their eighth front of the digital war. It's
going to be very consequential, and it's so it's entirely
(39:56):
possible that they can, you know, block out all Palestine
related content, all left wing content. It's possible, But I
think that the cat's pretty much out of the bag
here in America. If you had come and asked me
a year earlier, I might be saying something different. But
we're the majority who are here in America who are
calling it genocide.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
What Israel's doing to Gaza.
Speaker 10 (40:19):
And you know, I'm talking to people, I'm talking to
people my age across the political spectrum all the time.
You know, the one thing I hear coming out of
every single one of their mouths is the word apek.
Speaker 9 (40:30):
They know.
Speaker 10 (40:31):
And so when Israel continues to make these moves and
become bolder, more aggressive and desperate and trying to win
back the narrative, when back American support, it's only I
think going to backfire on them. You know, the ADL
just got attacked by the right on X.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Right.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
Yeah, I mean, I'm eating anything to take down the ADL.
But you know, every single time they are exposed pain
influencers seven thousand dollars a post, and like in that
recent Farah released by Wiki Leaks and Responsible state Craft,
it just brings more attention on them. And people are
(41:14):
not gonna you know, there's a rapidly declined trust in
any pros or voices they do see on social media
or on news outlets anymore. And so I think this
is just like a losing game. It may even be
a better strategy, I think, to try to start influencing
this in the shadows once again.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
But I don't know if guy, thanks for joining us, man,
and please do keep us updated. If you get banned
or anything like that, let us know and we'll keep
everybody updated.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
But very insightful.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Again, as a boomer doesn't use TikTok, I actually cannot
believe those content guidelines.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That is nuts. Well, all right, okay, we'll see you later.
Speaker 9 (41:52):
Guy, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you Ryan.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
There will be a Friday show tomorrow. Everybody enjoy that
and we'll see you all later.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Wanted to put
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Wou
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