10/27/25: Binance CEO Pardon, Zohran Rally, Bill Maher Trashes Zohran, KJP Confronted On Gaza

Krystal and Emily discuss Binance CEO pardon, Zohran rally, Bill Maher trashes Zohran, KJP confronted on Biden Gaza coverup.

 

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Speaker 2 (00:33):
All right, so we have a new corrupt parton coming
from the Trump administration, This one from Finance, founder commonly
known as CZ Caroline Lovett was asked to defend this deal.
Let's go ahead and take I'll listen to what you
have to.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Say on the pardon of Changping Jau and pologies i
ocing is pronouncing that name. Finance has significant business interests
with World Liberty Financial, the President's families crypto company. How
do you respond to allegations from Democrats that this is
a corrupt act?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I would respond and say, the President is exercising his
constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. And the President in
the White House have a very thorough examination of every
pardon request that comes to the President's desk. It is
thoroughly reviewed by the White House Council Office. And I
spoke with our great White House Council about the pardon
after it happened. This was an overly prosecuted case by

(01:23):
the Biden administration. Even the judge in the case admitted
that the Biden administration was pursuing a egregious over sentencing
of this individual. And the previous administration was very hostile
to the cryptocurrency industry. So the President wants to correct
this overreach of the Biden administration's mis justice, and he

(01:43):
exercised his constitutional authority to do so. And to the Democrats,
I would just say, there's nothing more corrupt than what
President Biden did on his way out the door, pardoning
his extremely corrupt son in many of his associates associates.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh my god, So what about is I am so
sick of just so you guys, So let's put D
two up on the screen to give you guys the backstory. So,
first of all, if you're not a crypto person, finance
is a giant in the space. I think a process
is some like two thirds of all crypto transactions. So
this is an incredibly powerful company that he's created. It's
also a visa or something. It's also an incredibly sketchy

(02:20):
company that he has created. And this is I've done,
you know, did a lot of digging into this character
because there were a lot of questions when SBF was
taken down and CZ was involved in that, by the way,
but then there was a bit of a run on Finance.
There's a question whether they had sufficient reserves that at
that time really didn't have any like accounting to back
up the claims that they were making publicly. Their allegation.

(02:41):
There were long time allegations, including some that were you
born out, and the company took action on with regard
to insider trading, because one of the things that's really
important about finance to understand here is that if they
decide to list your whatever shit currency, then it's it's
incredibly important. So yeah, exactly, so if you have insider
knowledge that they're about to list it and they're about

(03:01):
to tout it, Oh, well, guess what, you can make
a lot of money off of that. So in this
you know, sort of wild West space. So according to
The New York Times, they say mister jo had pled
guilty to money laundering violations in twenty twenty three, served
four months in federal prison after years long investigation by
financial regulators and US prosecutors. To seek the pardon, Jao

(03:22):
hired lawyers and lobbyists with ties the Trump administration while
Binance struck a business deal with World Liberty Financial, the
Trump family's crypto startup. This was not just any business deal,
by the way, We're talking about a two billion dollar
business deal that they did with Trump's family crypto startup.
Mister Jow is the most powerful executive, they say, in
the crypto industry, worth an estimated eighty five billion. He

(03:44):
commands a vast social media following of worshipful investors who
view him as something of a crypto oracle. With a
few well time posts. In twenty twenty two, he helped
prompt a market panic that result in the demise of
FTX that was Sam Pegman Freed's entity, the exchange that
was once one of finances top rivals to spearhead his
clemency push. Mister Jo hired Teresa goodie Gian, a former

(04:06):
Securities and Exchange Commission lawyer who also happens to represent
Zach Witcoff, the son of Trump's Middle East advisor. Working
alongside that lawyer was Chess McDowell, a lawyer and lobbyist
who is a longtime hunting companion of Don Junior.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
It's not a name though, that's a made up name.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
They both are, I think fake names McDowell Woody Gean
and Chesz McDowell Chez McDowell. Anyway, mister McDowell apparently spotted
with Trump Junior at the White House last week. So
did the two billion dollar deal. I'm sure that all
kinds of nice things. God only knows whether he was
funneling money into crump Trump's shitcoin because we have no

(04:47):
transparency around that certainly possible as well. And then hired
you know, friend of Zach, Zach Whitcoff, and DoD Junior
to get this deal done. That's how this White House operates.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah, Whitcoff.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
So, Zach Witcoff is the founder of the Trump crypto
firm World Liberty Financial, and so the World Liberty financial
of it all actually even dwarfs the fact that Binance
has hired like Ballard Partners, which is a very that's
where Pambondi and Cze Wilds had lobbied before entering the administration.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
So yes, they've hired the lobbyists.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
And all of that, But what does that even matter
when you're so your family is so heavily invested in
a similar well actually in something that benefits from the industry,
that CZ is so powerful that the industry benefits. Like
it's if he gets a cold, the industry, if he sneezes,
the industry gets a cold.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
It's that type of relationship.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
And the other thing I wanted to mention from the
New York Times coverage here that sorry, it's just a
little a little.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Bit amusing to see it put like this.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Long considered the crypto industry's richest man, mister shaoa Chinese
born executive who now lives in the UAE, admitted that
he had violated the law failing to install Rigger's compliment
compliance systems at Finance that allowed people in countries under
sanctions and terrorist groups like Hamas al Keda and the
Islamic State to move money on his platforms. So while
everyone is right now calling Zoramumdani and jahadist, here you

(06:15):
have a man being pardoned that, according to the Times,
allowed terrorist groups like Hamas Alcada in Islamic State to
move money around.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Complicit fantasting might be the word interesting. Let's put coffee
Zella's to you, guys. This is D four up on
the screen of just to give you the timeline of
like the business transactions here. Of course, he is losing
his mind over all of this, he says backstories. Dez's pardoned.
So November twenty twenty three, Binance and CZ plead guilty
four billion dollars plus fine. March twenty twenty five, Trump

(06:48):
World Liberty Financial launches a stable coin called USD one.
Stable coins are like back to currency, or I think
in this case, the chargery bonds. March twenty twenty five.
Two billion dollar investment into Binance by MGX May twenty
twenty five, two billion dollar investment was paid for in

(07:09):
USD one, So two billion dollars going into this wlfi's
stable coin. May twenty twenty five. CZ admits he applied
for a pardon. October twenty twenty five cz gets a
pardon result. USD one is backed by treasuries this year
old sixty to eighty million dollars per year for World

(07:29):
Liberty Financial so long as finance does not redeem that
two billion dollars in USD one. So he sort of
breaks down here for you, the timeline and the net
cash benefit directly into the pockets of the President of
the United States, and you know, we could have pulled
and maybe we will in a future show, Tucker is

(07:51):
out there saying, I think that bitcoin is a CIA off,
which is interesting as well because he's like, you know,
they're like using this as another way to steal from
you and control you, et cetera. Trump previously had been
very skeptical of crypto. He said he didn't like that
it was a competitor to the dollar. That was his
initial instinct. Well, that instinct changed dramatically when he received

(08:14):
money from industry insiders and then himself realized how much
he could personally cash into the two billions of dollars
on his own crypto coin the way that his supporters
flooded money in. And then in addition, it's a just
naked way for people to directly bribe him. So Trump's
personal net worth has skyrocketed. I mean most really think

(08:38):
about this. Most of Trump's net worth at this point
has come about since he was inaugurated this second time around.
So already obviously a tremendously wealthy guy. The bulk of
his net worth is from his direct corruption during this presidency.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, this is Forbes in June. Crypto now accounts for
most Ofald Trump's net worth. So an estimated three point
three billion of his total five point five billion lies
in the buzzy industry, according to Forbes.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
But what that means is it's all come just in
the last year or so.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
Like that is this is a man who has been
known renown as a billionaire for decades and a tabloid fixture.
His entire show was based on his business success, and
now most of his net worth isn't from any of that.
It's from crypto. And of course crypto, you can argue,
was built on his reputation, and the coin is built
on his reputation.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Whatever. But it's it's not any It has nothing to
do with real estate.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
This has nothing to do with real anything. Well, yeah,
these are just I mean, it's just a purely imaginary. Yeah, imaginary.
You can't even call it an acid. It's just speculation.
It's just a pyramid scheme, that's all it is. But
he is the gammer in chief, you know. And so
that's why he discussed me. To hear Caroline Lovett being like, well,

(09:56):
what about Hunter Biden, Like Hunter Biden and his frikin
paigning Zimburi's and whatever. If you guys had a problem
with that, that is nothing, and I did have problems.
I still have a problem with it. It is nothing
compared to one of the scams that Trump has run
in the second term, one of the corrupt deals that
they have struck. It's just wild, not to mention, you know.

(10:19):
In the cz case demonstrates this incredibly clearly. The way
that if you get on his good side and you
hire the right people and you got enough money, the
laws don't apply to you. You can get away with whatever.
This president is actually antithetical to law and order, truly,
because yes, if you're Letitia James, he's going to dig
up some mortgage application that you made a mistake on

(10:41):
and fix later on, and he's going to throw the
book at you. If you're George Santos or one of
the other ten Republican congressmen who committed crimes. You'll get
off scott free. If you're rich enough to pay your
way in and willing to like kiss the ring, then
you'll get off scott free. It's a crime spree. It's
a open season for crime spree if you happen to

(11:02):
be one of his friends or wealthy enough to buy
that kind of access.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
That's the other part of this, Like with some of
these Hunter Biden deals, there's a very strong evidence that
foreign policy was being manipulated by Hunter Biden laundering his
family name and selling access. This is the entire crypto
industry that Donald Trump, Like, why is is Trump making
so much money in crypto?

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Why is he getting these great deals through It's because
of what he's doing for the crypto industry.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Like what he's doing for this industry that he himself
was once deeply skeptical of that many Americans are deeply
skeptical of, and that includes huge concentrations of power, much
to the chagrin of people. We interviewed someone on this
recently who used to be super involved in going world,
Peter Ryan. I think, yes, yeah, he came on the
show and talked about the dream sort of like the

(11:50):
dream of the Internet. It's the same thing with the
dream of crypto, that it would be decentralizing power, and
right now it's very very clearly doing the opposite. Yeah,
and Trump his net worth is tied to that industry's
fortune in favor, and that's part of the It's not
just that Trump is enriching himself, it's that he's enriching

(12:10):
himself at the sake of the economy because crypto is
now significant, what's the best way to put it, manipulator
of the entire economy.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
The entire economy is completely intertwined, and it's intertwined, and
these people are too big to fail, like there's you know,
at some point in the future will probably be on
the hook for some kind of a crypto bailout.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, So I did want to give cridet Rocana has
his eye, you know, trained on this problem, especially with
regard to the president and his family's corruption. He's interest
introducing a bill to ban this sort of crypto trading.
For members of Congress and for the president. Let's go
ahead and take a listen to what he had to say,
in response.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
To Trump's pardon of the of the former Finance CEO.
You heard what Senator Elizabeth Warren said, If Congress doesn't
stop this kind of corruption, Congress owns this kind of corruption.
Explain to me how exactly Congress can do that.

Speaker 8 (13:06):
Elizabeth Warren is spot on. Look, we have a president
who is enriching himself and his family in an obscene
wealth that is unprecedented in American history, and people need
to wake up to what's going on. It's corruption right
before our very eyes. I mean, you had a foreign

(13:27):
billionaire who was convicted criminally of money laundering to Hamas
and to Iran, and he invests money in the president's
family's stable coin and that basically helps him get a pardon,
and the president's family is making millions of dollars as

(13:47):
president the United States. I'm introducing a resolution to say
that we need to stop the president, his family, or
any members of Congress from trading in crypto and certainly
from accepting any money from foreign and governments or foreign entities.
It is corrupt.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
So I appreciate Roe making moves on this bill. I
don't know how I doubt it'll even come to a vote.
But you know, if it did, I don't see how
you can I don't see how you can oppose it.
I'm sure if you asked the American people what ninety
five percent would be like, Yes, of course this should
be a ban on this type of you know, trading
and the direct corruption that it enables. But you know,

(14:24):
that's you want to talk about a democracy problem. That's
the kind of democracy problem that we already have.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
That is the congressman from Silicon Valley.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
For what it's worth, Yeah, it's a great point.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
I mean, I think if you're like on the fence
about this, nobody has a better front row seat to
corruption in this industry than row.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
But you know, we Sager and I interviewed Showy Kai
Chakra Body who's running for Congress against Nancy Pelosi in
San Francisco, and Sager asked him a question about like
what about these you know, rich tech guys, Like aren't
you going to have to cater to them? And Shortcott
was like, well, even though there's you know, more and
probably millionaires per capita in this area, in most parts
of the country, they still are a tiny percentage of

(15:03):
the electorate. So if you're actually catering to the you know,
vast working class in the you know, in the Bay
Area and in San Francisco specifically, you still have a
much larger base of voting support than if you're just
trying to cater to these few multimillionaires. And that, you know,
the Row appears to be operating on a similar logic here. Yeah,

(15:24):
you know who else is operating on a similar logic?
Zorn Mom, Donny New York City.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I gave this morning.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
So we are just over week out from this New
York City mayoral race, which is looking like a fat
accompany at this point. But Zorn held a big, sort
of culminating rally last night. I know, Ryan had a
reporter on the ground. Our own Griffin was there in
the crowd as well. Aoc was there, Bernie was there,
and actually Kathy Hochel. And it's kind of interesting. This

(15:56):
will get into some of the dynamics you guy guys
can go ahead and put this sly show up on
the screen. While while I'm talking, you could see, i mean,
massive crowd people waiting outside. I think people got turned away.
It was you know, really high energy and pretty electric
from the folks that were there on the ground. You
can feel that just from watching the videos as well.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Looking at the pictures. I mean, this is just packed.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yes, and it was a beautiful fall night, and you
know they got great weather and all of that kind
of see thet you got Starburs and you got Bernie
and Zoron. There quite a picture. That's quite a moment,
quite a moment in time. I'd love to be privy
to that boy, Yeah, exactly. But in any case, you
bringing together Bernie Ausi and Kathy Hokeel for Zorn is

(16:40):
interesting because Hokel is like a moderate, She's like standard
issue Democrat. She's tried to govern as a moderate. She
has opposed so Zoron wants to raise taxes on the
rich to fund his proposals, specifically his proposal for free childcare,
which is of the things that he's proposed. That's that's
the biggest one to be able to to pull off

(17:00):
in terms of the you know, the the various programs
that he's put forward, and she has said in the
past that she was opposed to it. So let's take
a listen to this. This is the crowd chanting at
Kathy Hochel to tax the rich and her having to
deal with that in real time and respond to it
and almost losing control of the crowd at one moment.

(17:23):
Let's go ahead and take a look at that.

Speaker 8 (17:32):
I hear.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
That.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
Streams.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
You have the power, You have the power. They're everywhere
in there, Cher rising innocent people.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Perfect, so they're yelling at her there, do something when
she's talking about, you know, ICE's abuses of power, et cetera.
And I think it's pretty significant shift for this moderate
establishment Democrat to feel the heat from the you know,
I shouldn't. I'm not even going to say the left
of the party, because this man is the Democratic nominee.

(18:25):
He won overwhelmingly. This is just the base of the
party that is like, we are going to hold you
to account, and we understand where you're falling short, and
you're going to yell at you to your face. Even
at this rally. At the very end, Zoron came out
like a little bit early to you know, get the
crowd sort of back in line and put his arm
around her and give her some support because she's there
obviously to support him. But the fact that you have

(18:46):
these figures all coming together now behind Zoron and him
really kind of running the show and putting pressure on
the sitting governor to bag his policies is quite an
extraordinary moment.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
Yeah, I'm beating this dead horse, but it just does
remind me so much of the years between like twenty
ten and twenty fifteen. Actually, there's almost something trumpy in
about it, when Ted Cruz was railing against Donald Trump
and then you know, two months later campaigning with a
smile on his face next to Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
It has that feel to it.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
Or you know, when everybody was raging against Sarah Palin
and then Sarah Palin was the hottest ticket in the
Republican Party, like that was the best way to get
an endorsement circle, Like twenty twelve was from Sarah Palin,
and so you had all of the establishment figures sort
of gritting their teeth and smiling in photo ops with
the Sarah Palins or the like the Ted Cruzes at

(19:40):
a certain point. So it has that feel to it,
and it just reminds me of that that poll from
over the summer that found Democratic voters satisfaction with their
own party is super similar to what Republican voters favorability
of their own party was during the tea party years
when you hear because I think one of the things
about that chance it is and this s getz too.

(20:02):
The appeal of Zoron is that And we'll talk about
this later, I think. But he's got he's always got
a smile on his face. He's he's not a sort
of dour socialist, right like, he's a happy populist.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Which is a hard thing to do.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
It's not an easy thing to pull off because you're
talking about people's miseration and corruption and doing it. The
smile on the face makes a big difference. But that
crowd was really angry. Uh you could kind of hear
it in the chant. That was a that crowd was
angry at Kathy Hokeel, really really angry, which is why
she sort of had to say.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I hear you.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
It's like when you like get your your mom is
driving and you're like I want lunch, Like give me
like pull over, like when are we going to eat?

Speaker 5 (20:41):
She's like, I hear you, I hear you.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
We're getting on. Just get a little bit further down
the road.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
That's what that was.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, Well, and so that's why, first of all, the
margin of his victory is going to be closely watched.
You know, I think people are looking at, Okay, does
he get over fifty percent? Right, because if he wins
over fifty percent, then there's no cope around, like, oh,
we could have had the like the majority position was
anti Zoran, and so if we just had a different,
better candidate, not Andrew Cuoma, maybe we would have won. Right,

(21:06):
if he gets under fifty percent, there will be a
lot of that cope for sure. The majority of New
Yorkers voted against Zoran, so that's number one. Number two
though I firmly believe his power is only likely to
grow because we know a confrontation is coming with Trump,
and we know New Yorkers are going to hate it. Right,
they already don't like Trump. They are going to hate

(21:30):
the specter. We've already had some of these raids of
these you know, masked up military outfitted federal agents in
their streets, you know, rampaging the sort of scenes we've
seen in Chicago. New Yorkers are going to absolutely revolt.
You know, it's a city that really takes its immigrant
character seriously and truly has been built on these various
waves of immigration. But even just beside that it's a

(21:52):
very proud city, Like what are you doing in fringing
on our territory? And I fully expect, based on what
I've seen from Zoran far the Key is going to
meet that moment very effectively. You know, I've yet to
see him like fail or fumble an important moment in
his campaign, whether it's on the debate stage or in
important interviews, et cetera. And so I think he's going

(22:15):
to end up even more of like he's already kind
of you know this like burgeoning rock star in the
Democratic Party in our national politics. I think that is
probably going to become even more the case. And so
I saw Elon Musk tweeted like this is the future
of the Democratic Party, as if that's a negative thing,
and I'm like, yeah, I hope that it is. I
think he may be right that it is. And listen,

(22:37):
we should like let's have let's have a contest, right
rather than doing this, you know, lame Kathy Hochel Andrew Cuomo,
Joe Biden style of politics, like let's embrace the new
young wave of left populism and but apologetically so and
see like see how people respond to it, because thus far,

(22:58):
what we see is Bernie Sanders the most popular politician
in the country. Zorn is an up and coming like
rock star in the country. You've got Graham Platter, in
spite of all of his things, coming out of nowhere
to challenge is sitting governor of Maine, and it lived
two out of the three of the polls are to
be believed winning that show down thus far. So maybe
this is the new direction of the Democratic Party, and

(23:20):
if so, I think it has a lot more promise,
certainly than the old direction. Emblematic of course, of that
version of the Democratic Party is AOC who was there
last night and gave a barn burner of a speech.
Let's take a listen to one of her highlights.

Speaker 9 (23:35):
City was built by the Irish escaping fan and Italians
fleeing fascism, to the escaping Holocaust, Black Americans fleeing sand
slavery and Jim Crow, Latinos sin seeking a better life,
Native being Tho standing for themselves. Asian Americans coming together

(23:56):
in Queens in Brooklyn is like Broxen.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
It's sub violent in this country, so crowd obviously roaring,
and I think this will this will fit together with
the next piece that we're going to do on Zora
and all this like islamophobic bullshit, calling him a jihadist,
et cetera. But what she is laying out there is
the pluralistic vision of America, which is direct contrast to

(24:26):
the increasingly like blood and soil nationalist vision of America
that's being asserted not just by the Trump administration but
increasingly by like right wing influencers who are being quite
overt at this point that like, white people built this country,
it's a country for white people. If you aren't white,
you come under suspicion. If you weren't born here or
your family hasn't been here for multi general generations, we

(24:49):
can denaturalize you. You aren't a true American. Really rewriting
the conception of, you know, how people have thought about
America for a number of years at this point, and
a theme of you know, how people have thought about
America from the beginning, not that there's always been you know,
complete alignment in that view. But so what AOC is

(25:10):
laying out there, I think is a very important contrast
in the vision for what the country is and what
it means viz.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
A VI.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
The vision that's being asserted and trying to be made
reality by this administration right now.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
For Democrats and Democratic socialists, there's quite a lesson to
be taken from what happened during Trump one point zero
and then Biden, because backlash and polling to Trump's immigration
policies inspired a fairly dramatic, what's the right word like
liberalization of the Democratic Party's immigration policies. And this is

(25:47):
where like Zoron's really going to have to sell because
in New York City there was a lot of backlash
to the Biden immigration policies, which is why Eric Adams
sort of changed his own tune on it and the
asylum all of that, like the hotels, this was you know,
there significant backlash in New York City.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
And so that means.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
If someone wants to he's been talking about how he
wants to make New York or wants to keep New
York as like a sort of prominent sanctuary city, is
a great sanctuary city, I think that is a you know,
obviously I have deep political disagreements with that, but I
really think that's going to be kind of interesting to
watch because he's a great political salesman.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
And if that's I mean, if that's what Zura, Momdanni
and AOC want.

Speaker 6 (26:36):
They do have to sort of come up with a
different way to sell it because what happened before didn't work.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, Trump is making that sales pitch for them, Mark,
That's that's absolutely true because you know, I mean people
say Chicago also a sanctuary city, and you know, you
see the scenes coming out of there of people just
being harassed or even assaulted just because of the shade
of their skin, based on absolutely no evidence that they're
here illegally, let alone that they've amitted any sort of crime. Obviously,

(27:01):
the apartment raid, pulling all sorts of American citizens out
on the street in their underwear in the middle of
the night and restling zip time, their kids, oring U
haul vans, all of these abuses are playing out, and
you know, I fully expect Trump to, you know, move
on New York in the same fashion. So I think,
you know, I think Trump is making the pitch for
them of like Okay, So there was dissatisfaction over you know,

(27:25):
the the immigrants were busted in buy and large by
Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and that creates, you know, this
friction in the city of Okay. Well, what do we
do with this influx of people, and how do we
handle them, and how do we you know, integrate them
into the city. And many of them don't have work permits,
so they're like sort of inherently dependent on the on
the government to provide for them, et cetera. So you

(27:45):
had that, but then when you see the cost of
this insane militarized crackdown, you know, I think the certainly
the New York City public is already going to be
on board for sanctuary policy. We already see a back
against the raids that they've done in the city thus far,
the actions at the you know, the courthouse downtown where

(28:06):
they're just immigrants who are coming in and we're like
doing the thing and going to the court dates like
they're supposed to, are then getting swept up and detained,
assaulted at times, et cetera. So you know, I think
that that sort of sales pitch has already happened in
an important sense. We can put E four up on
the screen. We do have some early voting results just

(28:27):
in terms of the burrows that are surging. So top
line here is Brooklyn. People living in Brooklyn are voting
their asses off and that is Zoron's best burrow.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
Laid off vice employees are coming in strong.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Are coming and strong. And then the second best borough
for Zoran judging by the primary is Queens and Queen's
is also voting at extraordinary levels. Next is Manhattan, then
Staten Island than the Bronx are the two lowest performing
burrows and those are also Zorons to twists two lowest

(29:08):
performing burrows. So who knows, maybe this is just the
Sliwa surge could be, but it's looking like this turnout
seems to indicate that Zoron is cleaning up. And it
would not surprise me if he outperforms the polls again,
because he did during the primary. He unperformed the polls

(29:29):
by like, I don't know, twelve points, so at least
twelve to fifteen points in the primary because he changed
the electorate, and so it would not it would not
be a shock if there was another polling under performance
because he is a politician that brings down a different
electorate than polsters are really able to capture, very trump
like in that way where you know it's it's predominantly

(29:53):
young people right who normally pollsters discount feel like Okay,
they don't turn out that much. And this is a
general election in a New York City mayor's race, where
typically the general election is a foregone conclusion, and yet
there's all this energy and interest around it. So that
creates a totally different political landscape. So I would not
be shocked at all if you know Zorin already the

(30:14):
polls show him winning by anywhere from like ten to
twenty points. I would not be shocked at all if
he outperforms the average of the polls right now too.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
It's so I'm looking at this pole that Producer Griffin
flagged over the weekend because it's it's just so funny,
so rich that mam Donnie versus Sliwah is more competitive
for Sliwaw than mam Donnie versus Cuomo Slewa head to
head with Sora, mam Donni is doing better than Cuomo.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think it's my like one point, but it's still amazing.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Right because it's two points.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, think of how contrary that is to all of
the standard issue political logic that like Cuomo's the guy
has to be Quomas Cuomo versus zor On Cuomo could win.
It's like, actually all long. You know, first of all,
do you not understand how hated this guy is? Do
not understand how incredibly lame he is and lazy by

(31:07):
the way, and what a bad campaign he's running, and
you still think like he's the guy where you want
to send all of your millions and put all of
your hopes into.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
Yep, and he's so that poll actually had eight point
five percent of the electorate undecided, which is that's a
pretty significant chunk of the electorate if that poll is correct. Now,
again to Crystal's point, polling in New York City races
can be really difficult.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
So we'll see where it ends up going.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
But that is for Cuomo, I mean, the primary should
have been enough to embarrass him out of politics, out
of public life, truly, because of what the situation that
he put Democrats in by running and trying to consolidate
all of the money and then losing to a thirty
three year old Democratic Socialist state senator.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
And yet he persisted, nevertheless, nevertheless, he purchased.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Indeed, there's been a subplot I don't know if it's
a subplot or a four plot anyway playing out in
this race as well, though, because Zoran has been really
throughout the campaign, it attacked an extremely racist way just
because of him being Muslim. Cuomo was on this radio

(32:22):
show and the radio host said something like, oh my god,
can you imagine if Zoron had been mayor during nine
to eleven, And then the host was like, oh, he
would have been cheering, and Cuoma just chuckles along with this,
right disgusting stuff. Sooren actually was in New York City
on nine to eleven. He was a kid, and he
was horrified by it, as everyone was. Sleea said something like, oh,

(32:44):
we can't allow New York City to become Europe. So
this really this is their final push. Like everything they've
thrown at Zoron has completely failed. All of the supposed
scandals they tried to dig up have been complete nothing burgers.

Speaker 10 (32:57):
You know.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
The latest I saw like.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Someone was posting, oh my god, he had sushi at
a nice restaurant with his wife. Can you believe the
socialist like eats nice sushi. The other one that I
just saw was some repuire New York Times or something
like this reporting on when he ran for school president
and promised juice and wasn't able to fulfill his promises
like this, this is what they've got on this guy. Okay,

(33:19):
so they've just decided to go to complete naked islamophobiaan
racism in the final phase. And Zorn, who has tried
to really keep his yeah as a democratic socialist, try
to keep his program incredibly universalists, felt the need like, Okay,
I got a stand up for myself. I've got to
stand up for Muslims in the city. And so he
gave a speech talking about these attacks and what they mean.

(33:43):
And like I said, trying to speak up for Muslims
in the city. Let's go ahead and take a listen
to a bit of that.

Speaker 11 (33:48):
Yesterday Andrew Cuomo laughed and agreed when a radio host
said that I would cheer another nine to eleven. Yesterday,
Eric Adams said that we can't let our city become Europe.
He compared me to violent extremists, and he lied again

(34:09):
and again when he said that our movement seeks to
burn churches and destroy communities. The day before that, Kurtis
Sliwa slandered me from the debate stage when he claimed
that I support global jihad and every day super pac
ads imply that I am a terrorist or mock the
way I eat push polls that ask New Yorkers questions

(34:33):
like whether they support invented proposals to make halal food mandatory,
or political cartoons that represent my candidacy as an airplane
hurtling towards the World Trade Center. But I do not
want to use this moment to speak to them any further.
I want to use this moment to speak to the

(34:54):
Muslims of New York City. I want to speak to
the memory of my aunt who stopped taking the subway
after September eleventh because she did not feel safe in

(35:15):
her head, Jap. I want to speak to the Muslim
who works for our city, whether they teach in our
schools or walk the beat for the NYPD, New Yorkers
who all make daily sacrifices for the city they call home,
only to see their leaders spit in their face.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
So you can see Emily him being very emotional there.
What did you think of his decision to address this
at the end of the race, which I think entails
some risks, you know, I mean, up to this point
his approach had been I'm just going to kind of
like ignore that this is happening, stay above the fray,
like you said before, he tries to keep his campaignlessly positive,

(36:01):
you know, always always smiling, always putting forward like a
positive vision for the future, even as he has come
under you know, incredibly ugly attacks. I remember the Cuomo
people in the primary too. They're putting out these mailers
where they like lengthened his beard and darkened his skin
again to try to make him look like some scary gihattis.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
We do that with Sager, by the way, and all
of our promotional graphics.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Just just to help me to win the debates with him.
Just give me that little bit of an edge. But
you know, you had, you had that you have you had.
And this is not just coming from Republicans, by the way,
this is this is Quomo was allegedly them. Right, here's
some jilibrand calling him a jehattist.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Barth's originally came from the Clayton campaign.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
So it's been bipartisan ugliness. And there's also I mean,
not that anyone cares about like philosophical consistency. But on
the one hand they're like, he's so far left in
the queer liberation and here's I know, and on the
other hand, he's like ushering in Shuria loss, which is it? Guys,
come on, which is it?

Speaker 6 (37:01):
This is the And actually from someone who is like
very skeptical about political Islam, my argument to a least
staphonic rocking around calling him a jahadist is that you're like,
politically that is insane. What you are doing is softening
it so that if you actually had somebody who was

(37:22):
like a Sharia follower who ran for office, that has
no meaning anymore, just like all of the other terms
that were leveled that people like a last staphonic and
she argued against it lost so much of their meeting
because they were just being tossed around to people who
you thought like her. Let's say her argument against Zuramamdanni
would be.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
He is going to.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Give aid and comfort to Jahadists. That is different than
him being a jihadist. Even if you believe that argument,
which I don't believe that argument though.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
We probably would disagree on his mom photo op and
all of that. But like, you are completely you're completely
making that term like meaningless.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
If you were callings around Momdani who's marching in the
pride parades a jodice, like stop it.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
That is so stupid and it.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Is so counterproductive on the political level with that speech.
I thought it was really interesting because one thing that
he's careful to do is always be a glass half
full guy. Yeah, I don't blame anyone, especially people, you know,
like even even women who run for office, Like I
don't blame anyone for seeing the world as glass half

(38:33):
full after going through that experience, or glass half empty.
I'm sorry when you're in the middle of an experience
like that. But politically, it's one of his benefits that
he actually gives New Yorkers a ton of credit, and
he always sees New York.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
As glass half full.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
And so I think the implication of that speech was
truly I forget I should have pulled out one of
the lines in particular, but truly that New York is
a place where people experience deep, widespread Islamophobia. And that
isn't to discredit Islamophobia that people actually experience in New York.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
But I think he has been careful.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
This is just the political strategy of it to give
New Yorker's a lot of credit, to give Americans a
lot of credit, and to always be like Sunnying optimistic.
So I don't blame anyone for not being sundy and
optimistic politically. I thought that was just a it was
a different approach from him.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I mean, can you blame him when Randy Fine, member
of Congress is right now attempting to denaturalize him. No, no,
you know, I mean, that's of course, and that's what
he's been called the Jahadist exactly. And that's the thing is,
like there has been an upsurge in Islamophobia in a
truly again bipartisan way post October seventh that has resulted

(39:47):
in Now, I mean, I see mediiss On all day
long getting told like we're going to denaturalize you. Will
Chamberlain and all these characters, Matt Walsh like going a
war with him, and we're going to denaturalize you, and
you're not a real American and we want you out
of our country. Blah blah blah. This is just commonplace discourse,
mainstream discourse. Now that happens to be coming from the right.

(40:07):
But as I said, you have you know, plenty of
Democrats who have indulged in this as well, because they
can't defend Israel anymore, so instead they have to smear
and dehumanize Muslims, in particular and Arab Arab Muslims specifically,
but Muslims in particular. And so this is the reality
of America that we live in. And so, you know,

(40:28):
I think it makes sense for him to address that
directly because I think that he's probably speaking to a
lot of people and the way that they feel their
grasp on being, you know, considered real Americans and a
full part of the fabric of society kind of slipping
away from them, and that even Democrats who in the
past have defended them are sort of allowing that to occur.

(40:50):
Speaking of which, we have Bill Maher, who you know,
is taking a similar attack on his show, attacking Zoran
for being a citizen of Uganda and like really blaming
Zoran for the policies that are emplaced in the in Uganda,
as if he has any power control over that or
supports those policies. Let's go ahead and take a listen

(41:12):
to E seven.

Speaker 10 (41:14):
The issue now that Andrew Cuomo is bringing up in
New York is that he is a Ugandan citizen. You
Ganda is a country where they kill homosexuals.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
So somebody who is a dual citizen can't be Mayor
of New.

Speaker 10 (41:27):
York or I would renounce if I was a dual
citizen with a country whose policy, the government policy was
we kill homosexuals. Yeah, I would renounce that citizenship.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
I don't and to not And I also.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Thinks buying into a fear I think that is buying
into a fear framework that is.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Good for the country.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
It is not good for the country.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
You shouldn't be afraid.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I think the way that I think, the way that
Cuomo is closing out this race and really and really
race baiting and really leaning in on that's not you
know what.

Speaker 10 (42:03):
Just because done for the country, I understand, But just
because something is done by people in Africa doesn't mean
it's always okay.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Now, I am going to guess Emily that Bill Maher
has not had any problem with the Israeli dual citizens
in the country or indicated that, you know, they're continued
Israeli citizensinship would indicate that they you know, for sure,
support a genocide, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Crystal Israel has the greatest pride parade. Have you heard
about the tell Avi Pride padge?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Many times? Actually, weirdly a lot. I've heard about the
tel Aviv Pride.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Have you heard about the Ugandan Pride Priod.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
Probably not so.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Now you can see Bill Maher's logic.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You're giving me something to chew on.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Here, something to think about, something to think about.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
Uh, when I'm siding with Kate Baddingfield in an exchange,
something's going wrong.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
We've gone off the rails airs. All right, Well, we
promise KJP. So let's get to KJP.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Let's do it well.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
As Karine Jean Pierre continues her book tour, which has
been a wild ride already, she stopped by MSNBC and
got pressed specifically, this has been a long time coming.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
In the last week of.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
Her book tour, she really had not faced this level
of questioning over the Biden administration's policy on Israel and Gaza.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
She got pressed by Aman Moildan on it this weekend.
Let's take a look.

Speaker 12 (43:25):
You stood at the White House podium speaking on behalf
of the administration. You defended US policy in Gaza at
a time where there were massivilian casualties, journalists being killed,
whole families being wiped out, hospitals being bombed, and the
international community was calling it what it was at the time,
saying was a violation. It was war crimes. And you
defended the administration's policy. When you look back at that moment,

(43:47):
do you regret any of the positions that you advocated
for on behalf of the administrations, the positions you take.
Do you feel that you were complicit in advocating a
narrative that turned out to be wrong.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
No.

Speaker 13 (44:00):
I appreciate the question because one thing that I really
want to make clear is that I was speaking on
behalf of the president. That is the job of the
White House Press secretary. I'm not speaking for Korean John Pierre.
I was speaking for Joe Biden. That's every White House
Press secretary.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
That is their job.

Speaker 12 (44:16):
Well, you said you see it for yourself, so wait,
let me finish. No, No, no, I just want to
because they're always out a time, I just go ahead.

Speaker 10 (44:23):
I get to it.

Speaker 13 (44:25):
Obviously, what's happening is heartbreaking, heartbreaking, and to not say
that and not to be clear about the devastation and
the killings that we're seeing of families is just heartbreaking.
And I would say is that is not the way
I believe people wanted it to turn out. But I

(44:46):
didn't make policy. The President is going to write his book,
he will speak to his policy I'm going to let
his foreign policy team speak to that, but it is
heartbreaking and I'm hoping that the ceasefire holds. We need
to get to a peaceful situation in the Middle East,
to it's peace agreement, and I know that's going to
take a lot of hard work. But of course that's

(45:07):
not what I want to see.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
I mean, neileda stuck the landing ten out of ten,
couldn't have been, couldn't have gone.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Better for her? Everyone's buying the book now.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And Aman followed back up and said, Okay, I get it.
You were speaking for the president. Now you're speaking for
yourself and still deflection along with some way of working
in her, you know, trailblazing identity into all of this
as well. And I don't know this the book her
as a person, All of it is like tailor made

(45:36):
to drive me insane, because you know, I knew her
a little bit when I was at MSNBC and she
came out of like the move on activist world. I'm
just like, how does this happen? And the answer actually
is contained in the book. The answer is she doesn't
care about policy or like anything. Apparently she left Democratic

(46:00):
Party because not because of any of like the obvious
reasons why one mic, yes, but because she felt they
treated Joe Biden poorly.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
The Democratic Party was insufficiently pro Biden, you know, it
clung until the bitter end until he glitched in a debate.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
So now she's framing herself as a quote unquote independent
who's left the Democratic Party because it was too insufficiently
loyal to this doddering, narcissistic old man who's facilitating a genocide.
And then the other thing that she's pissed about in
the book, apparently is that they weren't sufficiently deferential to
Kamala Harris. Again, not based on any like merit, anything

(46:40):
that Kamala Harris had really done or achieved, but just
the fact that she was also a historic you know,
identity like higher yes, and had happened to be next
in line. Like so those are the things that she
was mad about. And it's like, I don't know, it's
such to me a perfect insolation of this particular mode

(47:03):
of girl boss and boy boss politics. Yes, where it's
about for you your own personal like ambition and fulfillment,
and the voters are there as a vehicle for like
the you know, the grandeur of Kamala Harris, or of
Hillary Clinton, or of Joe Biden, or of Kareem Jean Pierre. Yeah,
that's what she thought the party was supposed to be.

(47:25):
And that when the voters didn't obediately fall in line,
and when there were other factions, by the way of
Democratic elites as well, who were like, we are going
to lose to Donald Trump with this man, we have
to do something. She found that was what she found
so offensive she could no longer be part of this party.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
Well, and Crystal, you teased this masterful Washington Post book
review Independent top of the show.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
But let's get to it.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
We can put it up on the screen because what
Chrystal was just saying is actually encapsulated itself. In this
outline from the review, which we should credit the author
Becca Rothfeld for writing, she says, i'mpire is an artifact
of an age that looks recent on paper but feels
prehistoric in practice. The age of pantsuits, the word empowerment,
the musical Hamilton, the cheap therapeutic entreaties to work on

(48:10):
yourself and lean into various corporate abysses. Independent is written
in the outmoded register of one of those lawn signs
proclaiming that in this house, we believe kindness is everything,
which had been firmly planted to no tangible electoral effect
since twenty sixteen. And what I think is stands out
from that observation, Crystal is you mentioned KJP doesn't particularly

(48:32):
care about policy, and that's astute because it seems like
what she cares about is identity. And it seems like
the best of takeaway, or one of the better takeaways
from that era, is how everything else was subjugated to
identity in democratic politics. And when you subjugate everything else
to identity, I think actually it's why when you and
Soccer were hosting Rising originally it took off. I think

(48:54):
is why Breaking Points took off is because it was
saying that's shallow. There are serious material concerns, spiritual concerns
downstream of that, and all you care about is identity.
You've seen it over and over again in Queen John
Pierre's interview. She's tried to kind of block and tackle
by saying I am a black queer woman, and that
falls completely flat now in a way that it wouldn't

(49:16):
have in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Progress. Yeah, Yeah, let's put the next piece up on
the screen. This other quote from this article. Really, you
got to read the whole review because every word is delicious.
But it's a little too long to read all of
it on air. But let me just read this part.
Imagine parting ways with the Democratic Party. Not because of
its unwavering support of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin that now
is eviolated international law in wage a bloody campaign against

(49:38):
civilians in Gaza. Not because of its humiliating failure to
mount meaningful opposition the Trump administrations assault on just about
everything of value in the country. Not because it continues
to run candidates in their seventies and eighties, one of
whom opted to die in office at ninety rather than
seed her seat to someone Youngerana. Not yeah, Not because
of its inability to expand access to healthcare, or protect immigrants,

(50:00):
tax wellby, or really get anything done at all. Not
because of its politely noncommittal affect and rhetoric of facile uplift,
or its members tendency to address the public as if
they're delivering the keynote at a corporate retreat. Not because
the Democrats have no political vision. Something of a liability
for a political party, but rather because of the single sensible,

(50:20):
if very belated thing they have done in recent memory,
which was to usher a dottering Joe Biden out of
the twenty twenty four presidential race. So she left the
Democratic Party not because of its many failing but because
of the one halfway intelligent thing, halfway moral thing that
they did in the you know, past little stretch. That's

(50:43):
the thing that was the straw that broke the camel
camel's back for her. So, I mean, it sounds like
it is just a platitude laden, like vacuous black hole
of thought based on this review and others that I've
seen too commenting who actually, you know, read the whole thing. Sorry, guys,
I'm not going to subject myself to that, but it

(51:04):
really is. I guess it's heartening in a sense that, yeah,
these arguments from her at this point that we should
have just back Kama Harris because she was next in
line and there shouldn't have been It's good that voters
didn't have any process and how dare you even think
that maybe there should have been voter input to this?
And you know, and that all of her facilitating and

(51:25):
running cover for genocide should be forgiven because she was
just speaking for the president. Oh, by the way, did
you know I'm a queer black woman. I mean, all
of this does such a disservice to to the many
extraordinary and accomplished and morally courageous black women and people
of color that are out there, like for you to

(51:46):
claim the mantle like you represent all of them when
you were both a you know, like a failure at
the skill level, and which is why John Kirby had
to be broad in count to save your asses, and
a failure most importantly on a moral level, and continue
to be a failure on the moral level even now
when you're not when you're detachment, the administration can speak

(52:07):
plainly about what you actually think about these things, like
how dare you hold yourself out as some beacon of
any identity group when you have failed in such key
and critical regards at a really critical moment for the country.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
And this is the problem with subjugating content to identity
and subjugating substance to identities that you end up actually
undercutting the work that people who have those identities actually contributing.
And it was the same problem with Kamala Harris and
the Biden administration couldn't. They were so attached to these
identity politics that when it was obvious Kamala Harris was

(52:41):
not the best candidate that Democrats could have run. When
it was obvious Kreen John Pierre, who had been much
touted for her identity politics, being the first lesbian in
the role and I think the first black woman in
the role, they had touted that so much that when
John Kirby was clearly the better candidate to replace her,
they couldn't because they would be then box themselves into

(53:01):
the corner based on their own arguments of replacing a
black queer woman with a straight white man. And you
can't do that, even if it's better for Democrats, even
if it's better for the party that you're somebody who
can competently make the message of the party or sell
the message of the party to the public, couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yeah, So let's be clear. I mean, he's morally disgusting
and abhorrent. But if you're just talking about technical skills,
technical skill, yeah, I mean, and yeah, And that's that's
what it really comes down to, is like, Okay, let's
not ask the question the like identity characteristics of the
person in power. Let's ask the question of what that
person is doing for the various groups that we care

(53:40):
about and for the country as a whole, like that is.
And so that's why it ties in so closely with
the politics of personal ambition, where everything is about like
the fulfillment of this powerful person's dream for their life,
you know. And and how dare you get in the
way of whatever like achievement, ambitious achievement they wanted to

(54:01):
claim for themselves. And if they don't make it, it's
because the voters didn't understand their greatness, not because they
had any failings.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
No, it's so true.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Wygol highlighted he read it so that we don't have
to Dave Weigel of Semaphore.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Yeah, he says.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
The knock on KJP was that she was a lightweight
who had to be layered by John Kirby, and her
response is posted this excerpt from the book. Alicia Keys,
the singer and Broadway producer, said DEI is not a threat,
it's a gift. Shakira, the Latin American superstar, dedicated her
award to her immigrant brothers and sisters, saying they didn't
stand alone do it Chi, a brilliant up and coming
artist who won Best Rap Album, told all the black

(54:33):
women seeing her on stage, like on the Grammy stage,
that they should take that as evidence that anything is possible.
Pop superstar and actress Lady Gaga, who won the award
for Best Pop Duo or Group for a song she
performed with Bruno Mars why she needed to mention that,
I don't know gave a shout out to.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
The trans of queer communities during her acceptance remarks. That's
her argument.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Okay, okay is closed.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
What the hell again? This is somebody whose job was.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
To be a person evasive messenger, falling back on someone
who won the award for Best Pop Duo or Group
First Song she performed with Bruno Mars. Lest you mistake
Lady Gaga for somebody who did not win Best Pop
Duo or Group First Song she performed with Bruno Mars.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Right, got to get that in, got to make sure
that point's made.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
What the hell? What a mess? Those are cooked? A
mass cooked?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Well actually, I mean, like I said, it's kind of
heartening that, like you said, this will just fall in totally.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
It's being rejected.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
Yeah, I mean the fact that the Washington Post published
this review was pretty remarkable.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, I mean it's Washing Post now, and I saw her,
you know, Joy Reid, who used to work it MSNBC
and I think was pretty close with KJP. She was
pressing her on these same things with regard to Gaza,
and the response was like exactly the same. And Joy,
you know, Joy has some cred there because she very
good case that she lost her job because of how

(55:52):
forcefully she advocated for Gaza. And so you know, when
she was faced with the with the decision of like okay,
my career, my principles, she chose the principles. So, you know,
I think to see her pressing Korean Joan Pierre in
that moment was also particularly like noteworthy and powerful to see.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
It's insane to try to have anyone believe or that
Korean John Pierre thinks anybody believes that she genuinely thinks
Joe Biden was okay for a second term, Like that
is a crazy thing to ask people to believe that.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
It does insane.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, and yet she's that's the predicate for her book,
like okay, and let's just say she's just this total
cynical political actor cares only about her ambitions, yep, Like,
how much are you misreading the room? Right now?

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Who is this for?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I know?

Speaker 6 (56:43):
Right, Like the idea of writing a book called independent
is so smart, But man, did she get it wrong?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
The Lindi lee yeah, can be the next PbD like
her take.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
That's so.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I think they're still in the market for someone new.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
You know, you can go.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I I was in there all the time saying this
is wrong, we can't do this. You know. Do you
have any proof of that? No, but I promised you
I was there, and it was. It's a crime what
the Democrats do to the public. Like, if you're just
looking for how to get attention and further your career,
the right will take you. Like if you're willing to
go out there and say you turn on the Democrats

(57:20):
and you're going to spell yeah tea and you know,
air the dirty laundry, they will take you all day long.
That lane is wide open for you. This thing you're
doing is like a non existent lane that I don't
think ever existed, but certainly expired somewhere around like twenty fourteen.
It's yeah, indeed, there we go, all right, Emily, thank
you enjoyable as always. We got through all of it,

(57:41):
so somehow, yeah, well we were kind of deter we
were determined.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Yeah, I really wanted to get to that.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
So Sager was at the New Yorker Festival, right, yeah,
so he's That's why I'm here.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
But Sager will be back tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (57:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, he did a panel actually with a Sun Piker,
which I want to know how that went. Also not
hurt the feedback yet, so.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
And they managed not to get deported, So big dub
for both of those guys.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yes, neither of whom are heritage Americans and the lingo
of the right not a.

Speaker 6 (58:07):
Heritage American insight on that New York Or panel. Now,
Sager and Ryan also have a huge scoop over at
Dropsite about the administration's Venezuela war. We have to call
it that at this point. So when sccer's back tomorrow,
I expect you guys are going.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
To oh yeah, we'll be going on that. There are
some newge developments as well, and yeah, huge story not
getting nearly enough attention and like it looks like, I mean,
it looks like it's happening. They're saying Medoro is either
going to be toppled, like I have to flee killed.
I mean, there's yeah, it's I mean the regime change,

(58:41):
like it seems like they have decided regime change is happening,
which is now a question of what that entails exactly.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
And you know what, Chris, I think maybe on the
Friday Show, one thing that would be good is even
if Sager's there, but even if he's not, have Ryan
talk a little bit about the background of that story
in the premium half for premium subs, So breakingpoints dot
com if you want to see a second half of
those Friday shows.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Yeah, we get when we.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Get the little background story on Ryan's amazing journalism and
soccers amazing journalism too.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
So check that story out at dropsite and tune in
tomorrow to hear more.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
All right, guys, have a great day. I will see
you tomorrow.