October 3, 2025 • 58 mins
Krystal, Ryan, Emily, and Griffin break down the Gaza flotilla seized by Israel, Pete Buttigieg spreading debunked lies about Oct 7th, and ICE creating mayhem in Chicago.
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Morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Excellent?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Got a bunch of stuff to get to you, Ryan,
It's going to give us a flotilla update. We've got
some Mayor Pete weighing in on Israel and Gaza spreading misinformation.
We've got the most horrific ice raid and trampling of
everybody's rights that I can imagine. We got shutdown updates,
we got read updates, we got all kinds of stuff
to get to this morning.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Rank Griffin and most importantly, Taylor Swift new album, you know,
potentially the worst thing we have to talk about all day.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And there's a new album, like like a new new album.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I didn't even see.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
This apparently came out just and just in time for
my birthday. So we're gonna break all that down. We're
gonna get copyright straw. It'll be great, Emily, Are you excited?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
That's right? Everyone in the comments, you have to be
nice this time.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Okay, alright, I always love You're like my favorite.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I don't read them, but they get sent to me.
I read the emails, I don't read the comments. Okay,
all right, Well let's get right into it. Let's start
with some flotilla updates. Now, the majority of the flotillas
have been intercepted on their way into Gaza, and this
video was released by Ben Givier taunting some of the
flotilla activists.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
He's calling them terrorists, murderers.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
All right, So that's most of it.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
It goes on from there, and there's other videos of
the IDF boarding the ships, and it seems like their
new angle is that there was actually they're showing there's
no aid on these ships actually, and that it was
all a pr stunt, Ryan, where are we at with
all of this, and especially with your drop site correspondent
Alex Well.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
He's with everybody else And as we understand, basically everybody
has been moved to a space inside uh the Kittat
prison which is down in southern Gaza, notorious as a
torture camp.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
But our understanding is that they're all being held together
in a in a big in a big space like
you like you saw there actually in the background of
that of that video. We haven't got in any reports
of any significant violence or any you know, mistreatment other
than being illegally taken into custody. They were, uh, they
(03:12):
were not in Israeli waters when the Israeli warships you know,
boarded and captured them.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
The International Court of Justice has an order in place
instructing Israel that they are forbidden from blocking humanitarian aid
into Gaza. So not only did they not have the
authority to board the ship, they were actively flouting the
i c J when they when they boarded the ship,
(03:40):
Israel claims that it was enforcing a legal naval blockade,
but that's that assertion is rejected by the International Court
of Justice.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I also want to just sit for a second with Ben,
sorry Ben Gevere, having the audacity to call them terrorists
when first of all, what are they doing. They try
to bring in like baby formula to people who are
being starved to death. And second of all, he is
a literal convicted terrorist, so you know, talk about projection here,
convicted in Israel of support for terrorism.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
And I was wondering if either of you could address, like,
I'm seeing a bunch of Israeli propaganda videos after having
boarded the ship go viral. I don't know if you
guys have seen any of those, being like there was
no aid on the ships. These aren't serious people, if
you guys have us, that's what the Israeli propaganda has
been over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
So the so Alex had told us that every ship
had you know, significant quantities of particularly baby formula mm hmm,
because that's you know, and and and other like you know,
peanut butter style nutritional supplements that are that are helpful
to people facing severe mount nutrition.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And didn't I see that Israel had deemed peanut butter
like a luxury and wasn't allowing that in whatsoever. Which
of course is wanted though, like, which is one of
the most stables of fighting mount nutrition.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Israel
did not post videos of that. I mean, you can
certainly find places on the boat that don't have AID
in them.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
Yeah, so you're just going through the boats and saying
there's nothing in here there it was all for show,
blah blah blah. Yeah is yes, this one is the
one I'm talking about.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
Bringing into Gaza, which explains one thing to me.
Speaker 10 (05:24):
I'm sure it explains to you that when we and
multiple other countries offered them to take this aid and
bring it to the Gazans, we could facilitate it safe arrival,
they flat out rejected it.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
How much like that facilitating going on.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Eat on that on that point they did say like, okay,
we will will take the aid to Rashkana, will take
the aid here and then we'll deliver it, which is
the just uh kind of an insult to anybody's intelligence.
Is like, if Israel was facilitating the entry of aid
into Gaza, this this flotilla would not exist. We wouldn't
(06:01):
be here if yeah, if we trusted you to bring
in the aid like, it's not for a lack of
aid in the ports or on the trucks, Like the
ports and the trucks that surround Gaza are filled with aid.
Speaker 11 (06:14):
It's not that there is a lack of aid.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
Right, it's not a baby formula shortage.
Speaker 11 (06:18):
There's no shortage.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
The shortages of a willingness by Israel to allow it
to get into Gaza.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
They are very.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Explicitly tying feeding and treating the population to the ceasefire
that is on the table now there explicitly include those provisions.
So if this soldier has some indication that that's all
fake and actually Israel will just let them in, then
they should tell the negotiators that, because there seems to
(06:46):
be some confusion among the negotiators who have made it
a central part of the ceasefire offer that we will
stop starving you to death if you accept these terms.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Well, but again, the drop site correspondent is on one
of these boats, right, and there's aid on the boats.
Speaker 11 (07:01):
Yeah he's yeah, there was, there was, he was.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I mean, these are not huge boats, so let's not
kid ourselves. You know, it would be enough for to
help count a couple families, But like, yeah, there he
said there was. There was definitely yes, as it was
packed with as much kind of baby formula as they
could take, because you know, they thought that with fifty
(07:25):
ships there was a chance that some would get through
mm hm. And so if some got they wanted them is.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To establish a humanitarian corridor. The point is not we
have sufficient aid to feed the population. The point is
we need a humanitary a reliable humanitarian corridor so that
aid can be brought in systematically to feed and provide
for a population that is being starved and displaced and bombed,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
So my question for you guys, are you just real quick?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Is like, why aren't more I haven't seen any prominent
Democrat talk about this, Like I haven't seen AOC and
Bernie talk about the flotilla, Like what is the dangers politically?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
That why so many people are.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Gun shy about these, you know activists around the world,
a lot of them American, you know, being taken by
the IDF and humiliated by Ben Givier.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Why is no one talking about this?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean, I presume the same reason why they're reluctant.
You know, across the board, we do have a number
of Democrats now who have said it's a genocide. You
have the Progressive Caucus that has signed onto the block
the Bombs Act, so you have progress in that direction,
but you still have this just incredible reluctance. And but
(08:43):
you know, it's especially noteworthy Griffin to your point in
the face of some European countries actually being pressured into
acknowledging it, sending their you know, naval ships to ensure
the safety that sort of pressure, and you know, you
also have some European politicians who are on board were
on board this flotilla, which kind of forced the hand
(09:04):
I think of some of these European countries as well,
when I believe, you know, like in Italy, isn't there
aren't there Italian members of Parliament who were on board,
and that sort of pressured Maloney to have to step
up and do something, even though that was very much
against what she what her politics are and what she
wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Right right, and the you know, the dock workers shut
down the Genoaport. They had three hundred thousand Italians in
the street protesting this. In the US, there was you know,
this morning, there was actually a protest at the Elizabethtown
in New Jersey weapons plant, which hopefully I'll have video
before we're done this show this morning. But that was
(09:43):
you know, that's dozens that most people should be should
be applauded, but it's not three hundred thousand people. So
like people are not out in the streets here, people
are not shutting the ports down, and so that changes
the political calculation, so Democrats can kind of ignore it
and get away with it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I was gonna I was just going to share this,
and I wanted to get Ryan's update on this as well.
I saw Jeremy tweeting about this poll of Palestinians in
Gaza that found only eight percent fully support Trump's plan,
eighteen percent rejected, twenty five percent strongly opposed, forty one
percent one amendments.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
He says.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The New York Times interviewed four Palestinians Agaza ran this headline,
many Palestinians say Hamas must accept ceasefire plan, you know,
at the same time, of course, like we know the
horror in.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The sense like this just has to end at any cost.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And I know that was what you were hearing Ryan
from Palestinians as well. So what's your sense of where
any of that.
Speaker 11 (10:37):
Is right, that's the balance.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Like pretty much everyone I spoke to had the basically
the same take, which is this is this is a rotten,
corrupt bargain. But if it's take or leave it, like
take it and just and live live another day, that
that it has to end, that all this just has
to stop.
Speaker 11 (11:00):
Uh So Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
The New York Times framing was a bit like as
if people were like excited and grateful for the offer.
But I think it's I think it's I think a
better way to understand it is just anything that ends
the suffering, under any circumstances, on any conditions, any terms,
end this like just.
Speaker 11 (11:22):
Stop this is that this is torture, Like we're all
we're dying.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, so but is that Do they like the idea
of Tony Blair setting up some colonial administration funded by
you know and backed by like Oracle software. No, I
don't think you can find men. It was like, yeah,
I'm really looking forward to that. But compared to.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Dying in a famine, sure, I mean it seems to
me like the deal is crafted to basically snuff out
the Palestinni liberation movement, like to end the project completely.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Is that there?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Sense is that your sense, you know, is that in
Jeremy's conversations with Moss and p i J officials that
their sense.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, that's this, that's the idea. Yeah, that because if
you have this enclave in this kind of dystopian techno lockdown,
and people are in camps where you know, they might
even not like they might even you know, let's say
they take all their phones and give them new you know,
Oracle devices or whatever that have.
Speaker 11 (12:30):
Only approved apps on them.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
They already have control of their phones, forcing them to
watch speeches and whatever.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
And very you know, very strictly control movement and more
aggressively control in the future like what gets in it,
what gets out and then build try to build a
bunch of high rises or something. That how they're going
to do that is it's going to It's difficult to
see because just remute, removing the unexploded ordinance itself is
(12:57):
like a ten year project because of the the vast
amount of munitions that Israel dropped that haven't exploded Jesus,
you know, Hiroshima levels of unexploded ordinance everywhere, and so
imagine trying to then dig that out.
Speaker 11 (13:14):
And those those.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Someone's going to make a lot of money to them.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, that's going to be a boon for some.
Speaker 11 (13:23):
Contractor, right, right, and it's it takes forever.
Speaker 9 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And while we're wondering where the Democrats are in response
to this, we've got to clip that Crystal shared with
me this morning from Andrew Callahan of Channel five, who
got to interview pe on Israel Palestine. Let's take a
listen on where the future of dem leadership is.
Speaker 12 (13:50):
They have the word I'm scaring people that it sounds
up a huge being is Israel Palestine.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
Where do you standle that stuff? Well, I'm gonna put
my cuff down.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
There's so many things that have to be said.
Speaker 12 (14:01):
And what I've learned is if you don't say all
of them, people think you're abandoning them. So here's some
things in no particular order.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
He thinks that's so profound.
Speaker 12 (14:09):
There are unspeakable horrors taking place in Gaza. I know
that those unspeakable horrors are something that was unleashed by
a war that started with unspeakable horrors being perpetrated by
Hamas on October seventh.
Speaker 11 (14:24):
Well, I know that at the beginning of the conflict,
of course, I.
Speaker 12 (14:26):
Mean this goes back to forty seven, and it goes
back before forty seven.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
That's exactly my point.
Speaker 12 (14:30):
The moment you say anything, but the moment I talk
about discussed at babies being put in ovens and people
being flayed by Hamas on October seventh, somebody says, well,
you're not talking about the history of the Nakba and
what happened with the displace of the Palestinians, And the
moment I express disgust at watching people in Gaza being starved,
somebody says, we must be excusing what happened with the mind. No, yeah, now,
(14:54):
there is nothing intrinsically anti Semitic about speaking up for
the rights of Palestinians. At the same time, a lot
of people I know who why awake at night, worried
about their kids going to college or walking the streets.
You know, hear expressions of support for Palestinian civilian life,
and think about the fact that, even though nothing about
that makes you soft on anti Semitism, the experience has
(15:17):
been that those two things, expressions of support for Palestinian
civilian life and expressions of anti Semitism, have sometimes traveled
together because there is in fact an explosion of anti
Semitism going on in this country.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So what are we to make of that, folks?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean, he got fillaid for going on with the
pod save guys and having metaphor yes, absolutely nothing to say,
And clearly he learned nothing from that, because however long
that answer went on, he said literally nothing, and is
his biggest upset is that people are mad at him
(15:57):
for trying to both sides, for not being willing to
take a clear stands.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
He's like, you know, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Why when I say babies are baked in the oven,
which is a literal lie, why do people correct me
on that? Why do people want me to take a
clear moral stand here? I don't get it. Why can't
I just bullshit this the way that I do literally
everything else. And I just at this point, like, I
actually am pretty shocked that he did the babies baked
in the oven thing, because that has been dispelled since
(16:27):
like one week after October seven. That was one of
the first things we figured out. I mean, those of
us who had intellectual intellectual capacity knew it was a
lie immediately, but that was one of the first things
that we found out. Oh No, this was just utterly
and completely made up, and yet here he is almost
two years into a genocide, still repeating atrocity hoaxes.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Unbelievable, Yeah, and talking about like flaying people and babies
baked in ovens almost two years later. Yeah, it just
reflects a real extraordinary lack of not you know, not
just courage, but any curiosity around the actual event itself.
(17:11):
But but he does seem to have genuine frustration that
his whole thing here doesn't work, like this is his thing,
like and Obama does this too, but Buddha Judge is
even much more of an offender where.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
Instead of Obama on this exactly.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Like exactly, but instead of answering a question, you you
you state a bunch of facts, and often you state
facts that are somewhat in tension with each other. And
it and it gives an audience a sense that you
that you're being thoughtful, and you hope that in all
of that smoke they don't notice that you actually never
(17:51):
answered the question. It's just kind of you just kind
of reformulated the question in a series of assertions. And
he's very upset that that trick doesn't work here. And
here's the thing that frustration.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Is real and Here's the thing that he doesn't get
is like liberals used to eat that ship up right,
that Obama style, Like, oh, let me demonstrate all the
intellection that I have, all these facts that I can
lay at your feet. Yeah, always speaks in paragise, so intelligent. No, liberals,
including I'm not just talking about leftists, liberal democrats, right
(18:27):
that I've had at gals, they are not, they are not.
They want you to give an answer. They want you
to be a leader, They want you to have moral clarity.
And because if you can't say, two years into a genocide,
this is a genocide, it's outrageous, it needs to stop.
I'm disgusted with myself that I was complicit in it.
If you can't say that, how are you going to
stand up to Donald Trump? Like that should be It
(18:50):
should be easy to oppose a genocide. And if you
can't do that, how am I gonna trust you to
fight on any number of other things. So, like, if
this man thinks that he has a prayer of being
the nominee in twenty twenty eight, first of all, zero
percent of black people continue to support him. That's number one.
Number zero literally is zero percent literally zero. Number two wildly,
(19:13):
wildly out of touch with where the Democratic base actually
is at this point. They are disgusted with leadership, they
are wearing for a fight. They're horrified by what we've
been involved in in Gaza, and they are looking for
people who have the slightest shred of moral integrity to
actually be willing to take a stand there rather than
(19:36):
low key continuing to smear people stand up for Palestinian
rights as being anti Semites.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
It's that answer was not the answer of a politician
who is in touch with his own party's base. It
was the answer of somebody who's vaguely aware of where
the polling is and knows that he has to like
try to find a way to sound profound like that
was the most ridiculous part of the interview is how
he's acting like he is has come up with some
(20:03):
novel way to communicate about this intractable problem. And it
sounds like somebody is vaguely aware of the polling but
also has those donors tripping in his ear. And for
Republicans and Democrats, we had a great glimpse of what
this actually looks like when The New York Times confirmed
gray Zone reporting about turning Point donor Robert Shulman, who
is apparently like a father to Charlie Kirk, like a
mentor to Charlie Kirk, and revoked literally millions of dollars
(20:28):
and cut himself off from Turning Point USA, not because
Charlie Kirk said anything, but because Charlie hosted Tucker Carlson
and Dave Smith at a Turning Point conference recently. That
is the magnitude of the pressures. But if Buddha Judge
can't stand up to them, then he should stay the
hell off the podcast circuit because it's not going to
get any better for him until he is honest.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know the crazy thing to me is, back in
the Tea party era, you had this major upset, like calamitous,
shocking upset of Dave Bratt over Eric Canter, and most
Republicans looked around at that and said, holy shit, this
is a different landscape. I better adjust. I better be
(21:12):
looking to my right, I better be paying attention to
these like nobody weirdos who are primarying me like I
need to get it together. Dencrat had that moment. That
moment was Zorn Mamdani beating Andrew Cuomo by twelve points right,
a landslide, totally reach reshaping the electorate.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Polls were wildly.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Off, coming out of nowhere, destroying this like legacy political figure,
and instead of really taking that in, they have layered
themselves with all kinds of cut. Well it's New York City. Well,
I don't know, that doesn't really count. Well, I'm not
really paying attention to that race. Well, I think it's
really because, you know, he's sort of like abundance ish,
and that's why people like it, right, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
He's young and handsome, Right, he understands social media.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's what it really is. Is his mom's a film director.
So he's got these like great videos. Maybe if I
just make some like quick cut vertical vertical recorded videos,
maybe I too can capture this magic.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Like.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They either dismiss it entirely or they come up with
the dumbest possible reasons why they think he won so
that they can avoid learning the very clear lessons that
the message that was sent to them through that election.
And so I think you are going to have some
Democrats who are really caught unawares by primary challengers, by
(22:34):
major figures, who are taken out.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I don't know, who are what that's going to be.
But I think we're going to be in.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
They are going to be in for some major surprises
this year because they have done everything they possibly can
to avoid learning the lessons that are transparently in front
of them right now.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
It's one of my favorite polls.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
You just see a favorability for the Democratic parties is
gallop in July among Democrats is really right now similar
to the levels that it was among Republicans in the
Tea Party years. So it's not even just like these
obvious examples of Mom Donnie Bernie almost beating Hillary and
almost beating Biden and AOC beating Joe Crowley. I mean
Democrats have had this gift of waking up to where
(23:11):
the base has handed them on a silver platter over
and over and over again.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
And Emily, what about MTG.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Look at MTG out here, She's got like some of
the most like small dollar contributors, Like is she is
she more in touch with her base than the rest
of the party And is she like on this issue alone,
like is this catapulting her to some new eschelon?
Speaker 7 (23:34):
I mean it always depends with Republicans because there's a
ton of daylight between people who say like, oh, wrap
up the war, but are still like ardently supportive of
Netanyahu in Israel. So it's always hard to know what
it means when a Republican says at this point to
a Polster that they support Israel or not. But she's
definitely more in touch with the millennial gen Z Republican voter,
(23:57):
that's for sure at this point.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
So we'll see going forward.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Her small dollar donations are something that should also be
eye opening to Republicans.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, I mean, we shouldn't overstate the amount of the
Republican shift because still overwhelmingly Republicans are pro Israel right
and see the world more through like there are ally
and you know, they're more like us or whatever the
worldview is. I can't even really wrap my head around
it at this point. So most of the shift boomer
Republicans are still right where they've always been, lockstep Israel
(24:31):
by and large, on board with you know, what Trump
is doing and the everything for Netanyahu's strategy. They're totally there.
It's really just among young Republicans that you begin to
see a split. But that's you know, I mean, I
think feel like Israel is kind of freaking out about that.
I feel like that's a big part of the reason
why they're taking over TikTok and installing Barry Weiss as
(24:54):
editor in chief of CBS.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Like, I can't even you.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Know, if you Tons, yes, you told me some of
these things that would be reality now, like Tony Blair
is going to take over Gaza and Barry Weiss is
going to be editor in chief of CBS, I would
be like, I mean you just like I literally could
not have made it up. I could not have made
it up in.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
My mind, all of those those young viewers at CBS News,
the young demographic.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
It was a great birthday gift to you, though, Griffin.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That's right, Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
I'm happy for our colleagues, our sister podcast and their success.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
You're mostly happy for your friend, Olivia Rean Gold. We
all know that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I like content creators. So why don't we move on
to Ice. We've got some horrible news stories over the weekend,
and this one really struck Crystal that she wanted to share.
This was happening in Chicago, I believe where their use
of black Hawk helicopters was used.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Let's take a listen to a little bit from the
local news.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
She says they took everyone and then ask questions later.
It just treated us like we would nothing Particia Fisher
said she came out to the hallway of her apartment
complex on the corner of seventy fifth and South Shore
Drive in her nightgown around ten Monday night, only to
find Ice agents yelling police. It was scary because I've
never had a gun put in my face. They asked
(26:17):
my name and my day of birth and asked me
did I have any worse and I told him no,
I did it.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
She said.
Speaker 13 (26:23):
She was then handcuffed and released around three am. Fisher
said she was told if anyone had any kind of
worn out for them, even if it was unrelated to immigration,
they would not be released. Sinsinnapt video shows the chaotic
scene overnight. Neighbors tell us there were dozens of Ice agents.
Neighbors like Ebanie Watson, says they ducked for cover as
they heard several flash bangs go off.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
They was terrified. The kids were crying, people were screaming.
They looked very destroyted.
Speaker 13 (26:49):
I was out there crying when I seen the little
girl come around the corner because they was bringing the
kids down to had them dipside to each other. That's all.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I kept asking, where's the morality, where's the human Yeah,
so it keeps going on.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
But there's more reports also of like, yeah, them dragging
children out into out of their homes. Some of the
children were naked, apparently sip tied, and so yeah, what
are we what are we to make of this? Especially
after Trump has meme war declaration of Chicago. I think
a week or two ago is when he posted that
meme of nay palaming Chicago.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So I guess he's following up on his promises here.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Well, he also promised in that Quantico speech this week
to use these cities as training grounds.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But yeah, explicitly talking about unleashing the military with all
of the top generals assembled there against the enemy within.
And like these ladies that you just saw there on
the street, who are American citizens who did nothing wrong?
That is apparently what he means. I mean, I just
(27:56):
I know that there's a lot that shocking in the world.
I know there's a lot of shock in the country.
I really want people to sit with what happened here. Okay,
they used black Hawk helicopters in the middle of the
night to repel into an apartment building. They pulled everyone out,
broke down the doors, destroyed their belongings. There were no warrants. Okay,
(28:18):
Little kids who were sleeping naked or in their underwear,
pulled out, crying, zip tied together and thrown into U
haul vans. Little American kids. Okay, it wouldn't be okay
if it's immigrants, by the way, but I know this
is like an important distinction for a lot of people.
Other people, grown ups, adults, seniors, dragged and did nothing wrong,
middle of the night again, unclothed, zip tied together, thrown
(28:41):
and detained for hours, for hours, no ability to make
a phone call, no lawyer, no warrant, nothing like. These
are criminal acts. These are criminal acts being committed by
the DHS. They have decided that our rights do not exist,
(29:01):
do not matter that through brute force, they can literally
do whatever they want to whoever they want. That's what
we're talking about here. And this isn't the only instance.
New York Times had a report on a number of
American citizens who'd been swept up by ice. You know,
one man, he was trying to get to his work site.
(29:22):
American citizen veteran, Army veteran by the way, had his
windshields smashed in by ice. They shot pepper spray in
his face, and they pulled him out, arrested him and
held him for three days, no call, no lawyer, nothing.
They think they can do whatever they want. And that's
(29:46):
what I want people to really understand. Okay, this is
about immigration, but it's also not about immigration. This is
about a regime that thinks they can literally act with
impunity because they have the power and they have the guns.
Some of these these democratic mayors and governors, like law
enforcement needs to protect these citizens. They are being abused,
(30:09):
they're being assaulted, they're having their rights violated, they're having
their possessions destroyed. This apartment complex may not even open
up again, they may be completely displaced.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I just I am. I am completely floored.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I'm without words, like I it's hard for me to
be shocked by what this administration does. At this point,
when we were talking about pulling naked kids out of
their beds, zip tying them together and drawing them in
the back of a U haul van in the middle
of the night, how can anyone I don't care if
you love Trump or hate Trump or your antiam or whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I don't know how anyone.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Morally justifies this and feels okay with it and thinks
that it doesn't directly implicate your own rights in your
own life.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
There this the also I think this also implicates the
rogue nature of ICE like ICE ICE as a ICE
as a genuinely dangerous agency. People started calling it out
around twenty seventeen twenty. It was only created in the
wake of nine to eleven, and it produced it had
(31:12):
produced this like rogue culture where anything went. I don't
know if you remember, in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,
several members of the squad went down to the border
and before that the interception and also Republica like obtained
the Facebook chats like the Facebook page, this private Facebook
(31:32):
page had like hundreds of not just ICE agents but
top officials in ICE, and it was insane like genocidal
rhetoric like rape threats, death threats, like the most the
(31:52):
most disgusting type of stuff that you can that you
can fathom, was being put out onto this massive Facebook
group with senior officials at ICE on there and hundreds
of agents and absolutely nothing was done about that. And
now we have an entire rogue government. So it's not
(32:17):
fair to call Ice rogue anymore. ICE's Ice. Ice is
now aligned with this administration and is being told all
of those impulses that you've had all of these years,
those are good, feed them, go for it.
Speaker 11 (32:31):
We've got your back.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
And yeah, Crystal's point that it shouldn't be done to anybody,
but it's of course it's not going to stop it.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
So called illegal immigrants, So.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
There's absolutely no excuse. I mean, they have helicopters in Elgin.
If you know the area. Elgin is a suburb of Chicago,
like a sleepy suburb of Chicago, and I'm sure there
are a lot of Venezuelan migrants who have, in the
case in Chicago, the Chicago raid that we were talking
about earlier, lived in the apartment buildings. They brought a helicopter,
(33:03):
military vehicles and Christine Nome into into Algin. And sometimes
people when I say that this is a LARP, act like,
I think that's not serious. It's it's actually like it's
calling something a larp, like a fascist larp. I think
that's extremely serious, and I think that's what they're doing there.
If you go to the DHS Twitter, it obviously goes
(33:25):
beyond a larp when you're actually detaining people. But I'm
using that to say that they are doing this performatively.
They are detaining US citizens for the performance value that
they see in this like like theater of Blackhawk helicopters
or helicopters at all in suburban Chicago with christ Nome
and the photo ops. Remember this is again Homeland Security,
(33:48):
where Christy Nome is doing.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
All of the photo ops.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Like their their position on the performance is that it's
like just as much of a part of the game,
and so that's where they're really leaning into it. And
it's abhorrent. I mean, it's just it's it's so unseerious.
And I say that coming from a different place than
you guys, which is there are really serious.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
I think they are like extremely serious.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Operations that need to happen because there actually are people
who came who are criminals, and in fairly big numbers
during the case of the Biden administration, that are actually
endangering US citizens. There are people who are are here
who need to go through the legal processing system because
they have their US citizens and wages are on the line,
(34:36):
and I know I disagree with you guys on that point,
but like I think, I believe in the process, and
I believe that the Biden administration left the Trump administration
in a position where the American people wanted to see
the process.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
But that's from my perspective.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
This is like even more horrifying because of that, because
it is so unseerious and if you go to their
social media, they are posting the most like just the
dumbest stuff on the DA Twitter feed and I'm sure
it's like that on Instagram too, And so I just
feel like they're sacrificing something that's really serious for alarp
(35:08):
and be endangering like people's rights.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
And it's not impossible.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
That some of these guys end up actually like incarcerated
down the line.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
They need to be.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I mean, they genuinely like these are criminal acts. And
you can go and you can watch. In California, Ice
stormed a car wash and again they've been green light
by the Supreme Court to just racially profile. By the way,
stormed a car wash and seventy nine year old American
(35:41):
business owner comes out to try to say, Hey, I
have paperwork for these workers, like what's going on. They
throw seventy nine year old American business owner, throw him
to the ground, jump on him, break his ribs, give
him a head trauma, head injury, ends up in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
He is now suing them.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
You can watch this on video right, And this is
the part, like you know, I just told you about
the guy American veteran in a car, like there are
so many Americans who are caught I don't even want
to say caught up in this, who are being targeted
by their own government. That is vastly more terrifying than
(36:23):
some Venezuelan migrants living in your apartment building. Go ask
those ladies, I mean, one of those ladies who they're
at the end of the clip that we showed. She
was saying, I kept asking them, where's your morality?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
What are you doing? These are kids?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And they said. One of the Ice agents said, and
I quote, fuck them kids. That was their view, Fuck
them kids, these are whether they're immigrants or Americans, and
this was mostly Americans in this apartment complex, that's their view.
That is profoundly more dangerous than any you know, potential
(36:55):
like Trendo Arragua member.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
When you're government that.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Has the full force and power of the state is
acting with complete and total impunity. That is a vastly
greater danger than anything that we have seen in terms
of undocumented immigrants coming into this country. And this is
the part that I feel like no one ever grappled
with or talked about. When you know, they were at
the RNC with the mass deportation now signs and everyone's
(37:21):
shearing this and the vibe shift blah blah blah, especially
for there was a contingent of libertarians. And you know,
I like Dave Smith, but he's he's emblematic of this
type who embrace this sort of thing. And it's like,
in order to separate undocumented immigrant from citizen, it requires
a massive police state apparatus.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
That is what necessitated.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like that is what is necessitated by this mass deportation strategy.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And by the.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Way, if you care about you know, if you care
about going after the criminals, getting criminals down, et cetera,
they're doing a piss poor job at that. Drug trafficking
convictions are way down because.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
The public not focused on that.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Public too, they want to be raiding a random apartment building,
they want to be raiding the home deep of this
is explicitly what Steven Miller has said. So it's the
polar opposite of going after the violent criminals. The majority
of the people who are now in ice custody for
the first time have no criminal conviction whatsoever, are not indicted,
They're not like these are just people who cross the
(38:30):
border illegally, which is a civil infraction, and are being
treated like they're you know, serial killers. It's insane. And
so it should be surprising to no one the way
that this, this stripping of rights from immigrants, any rights,
the ones that they're entitled to, stripping of all rights
from immigrants, was going to bleed over into American citizens.
(38:51):
And we're seeing that expansion over and over and over again.
And I'm just I don't know, I'm horrified. I'm absolutely
horrified by what we're seeing happening here in our country
with so little pushback from the so called opposition Party.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Two.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
And and also, the Chicago's Mexican American population is like
well over like one hundred years old. Like this is
that it is a fab it is a part of
the fabric of Chicago culture and society, you know, the
Mexican Revolution. And then we the you know, the the
need for factory jobs, factory workers in World War One
(39:29):
really you know, drove this massive pull of Mexicans who
moved up to the Chicago area, which is roughly the
same time that Stephen Miller's family got here. Like they
like Stephen Miller's family and a lot of these Chicanos,
you know, have have equal amounts of claim when it
comes to the duration of the time that they've spent
here in the United States. So like pretending that you
(39:50):
can you know, take heritage. Yeah, and the exactly and the.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
He's the Chicago area, Latino, that's right.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Yeah, the Supreme Court like believing the Supreme Court legalized
like this like skin color test that you know from
like maybe put the put the little paint stick up,
find somebody's face, and the darker they are, the more right.
Ice has then to like you know, smash their face
into the end of the sidewalk. But it actually belies
(40:25):
the the real history of Chicago. And I was talking
to some people from Chicago last night. They were saying,
it's like a ghost town in huge parts of the city.
People just scared, like in their own country, scared to
go out.
Speaker 9 (40:40):
Nice shot and.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Killed a guy in around Chicago, and then they lied
about about it. You know, they claimed he use a criminal,
They claimed that they were you know, severely injured.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Video came out and it was complete and total lie.
Like this guy had no was not a criminal, no
criminal record whatsoever, and they ended up killing him. Like
that's that is the level of impunity that we're talking
about here. And I don't know, I just feel like
if they're they keep they're just allowed to get away
with you. We all watched that woman outside the courtroom
(41:12):
in New York who was upset because her husband was
being arrested to be deported. She's there with her two
little kids. This thug takes her, grabs her by the hair,
throws her on the ground again, all recorded. We all
can see it. And she ends up in the hospital
with a head injury. And the guy, if initially I says, oh,
(41:34):
this was unacceptable behavior. Week later he's back on the job.
Not even a week later, he's back on the job.
What do you think these new recruits who are coming in.
The big beautiful Bill has makes ICE the largest law
enforcement agency in history. What do you these new recruits
who are coming in, who were looking at this, what
do you think that their attitude is going to be like, Like,
(41:57):
if you're signed, if you're seeing those videos, if you're
seeing seven nine year old business owner having his ribs broken,
if you're seeing the man who was shot to death
on the side of the road, if you're seeing this
lady who gets thrown to the like, and you're like, yes,
that's me.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I want to be part of that. This is only
going to get worse.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
Well, I also just want to emphasize this makes everybody
less safe because once again, yes, I think the Trump
administration has this idea, there's a public mandate to do
quote mass deportations, which everybody is going to define differently. Seriously,
there is no consensus number for what a mass deportation
would look like or what it should look like. And
there have already been backlashes in the public. You see
(42:35):
Rogan and others who have moved away from what the
quote mass deportation administration looks like.
Speaker 9 (42:42):
But they're losing.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
I mean, this is going to jeopardize an enormous amount
of public support for the project of actually ridding the
country of violent criminals. And there are some violent, violent
criminals here and so everybody is less safe because the
Trump administration right now is choosing to prioritize this theater.
(43:03):
And I don't mean that again like it goes beyond theater,
because it's actually happening, of course, But I'm saying they're
a huge part of their animus for doing it the
way that they're doing it is it's not just about
disincentivizing people that continue coming into the country and getting
people to self deport It's not just about that.
Speaker 9 (43:19):
It's the show of force that.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
You know, the the people inside the administration are loving.
And again you can tell this from their social media.
It feels like this this culture or backlash to the
Biden era. You see this with the Pete Hagseth speech
this week. It's this idea of putting on a show
of fighting back against like the culture of weakness and
(43:44):
anti Americanism and all of that. And if it leads to,
as it is in this case, militarization of suburbs like Elgin,
the public is going to rightfully start pushing back and
then you going to lose any scrap of public support
for what people did say they wanted to see at
(44:08):
some point. Now again, what that looked like nobody had.
Some people might have been comfortable with a small number
of quote mass deportations compared to what the Biden administration
was doing, but that's all going to be gone for
the Trump administration the more that this continues. And again,
this is like, rightfully, so, these are US citizens and
you are incompetently like acting a fool because you want
(44:31):
to play dress up and use the black Hawk helicopterism
because the president is saying we should use these cities
as a training ground for the military.
Speaker 9 (44:39):
That is not American and it is not conservative.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And mean because Steven Miller is a sadistic freak and
he runs the government. I mean, that's whose policy this
is like. And there, I mean, this is the thing
that is so I don't know, I don't even know
the words at this point, but it's so terrifying to
grapple with because they can't be so stupid as to
think this stuff is popular. It's not right you.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Oh no, I actually think they do. I seriously think
that they do.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It seems to me like they genuinely don't care what
the election results are, like they will you know. The
level of overreach is so insane that it just seems
like they have thrown electoral politics to the side, and
I'm like, well, okay, well what does that mean. You
(45:32):
don't think that there's ever going to be any sort
of electoral repercussions to the acts that you're taking here.
You know, they're so proud of like, oh, Trump was
able to win over some significant amount of Latinos and
even there were some number of black voters who came
back to him like that is that is all gone? Right?
Speaker 3 (45:52):
The young people that voted for that is all gone?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And yet they continue in this completely unhinged fascist takeover.
And so that's what makes me ask like, okay, well
what is the plan then, because clearly they don't think
there's ever going to be any potential of electoral consequences.
They're going for the whole thing right now. They're going
for the whole enchilada. That's what NSPM seven, by the way,
(46:18):
that Ken Klippenstein has been reporting on is about, We're
going to make sure we don't even have a political opposition,
like they don't even exist, which Democrats are doing a
good job of basically like making reality.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
All on their own.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
They are taking a little bit of a stand this
week so we'll give them a little bit of credit
for that. But you know, Trump made that comment in
that speech as well. He's like, I thought there'd be pushback.
I thought we'd have a fight. There's no fight. They're
going for the whole thing. And so acts like this.
It's not just about immigration. This is a demonstration of force.
This is a demonstration to the public, citizen non citizen alike,
(46:51):
we can do whatever we want to you. You better
stay in line, you better pray, you better be on
our good side, because that is the only thing that
we'll protect you. These that you imagine you have, they
don't exist. Look at the Supreme Court. They give us
everything we want at every turn. The only thing that
they stood up against was like, I guess we're going
to keep the FED in place.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
That was their line. They're other than that. On the
shadow docket, Trump has gotten his way. So yeah, greenlit
the racial profile, all of this, the recisions, all of it. Yes,
your rights don't matter here anymore. And that's what these
that's what these overt acts, rogue, lawless criminal acts, assaults,
bring naked children out in the street and stuffing them
(47:30):
in U haul vans, killing someone on the shide of
the street and lying about it, throwing business owner that
that's what they are meant to convey. We can do
whatever we want to you, whenever you want, so you
better shut up and sit down and get in line.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
So we got PR problems with this, and we've got
other PR problems happening in the Trump administration, which I
think will move us nicely to a little bit of
Epstein news that Emily shared with none of the than
Howard Lutnik kind of stepping into the ring here.
Speaker 7 (48:05):
So Howard Lutnik went on, uh, the Miranda Divine New
York Post podcast, which gets a lot of dishy stuff
because Miranda like knows these guys pretty well and was
able to, you know, pull some of these thoughts out
of them. And this is like sneakily one of the
most candid things that Trump administration official has said since
the entire Bindergate Bondi fiasco of especially earlier in the summer.
(48:31):
I think Lutnik was just comfortable in a conversation with
Miranda Divine and said this, Griffin's about to play the
clip about what he thinks on Jeffrey Epstein, having known.
Speaker 14 (48:40):
Him the guy's gross, right with my wife and the
guy's gross. This was not the deep nuance of Howard Lutnik.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
This guy's gross, right, So how come Bill Gates and
all these other people could hang around him and not
see what you saw? Or did they see it and
ignore it or no?
Speaker 14 (49:00):
They participated, right, That's what his mo was, you know,
get a massage, Get a massage. And what happened in
that massage room I assume was on video. This guy
was the greatest blackmailer ever, blackmailed people. That's how we
had money.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
Interesting, so he assumed some of it's on video.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
Book and Ryan, you can speak more to those. But
Howard Lutnick was firmly ensconced in the world of New
York finance, exactly in the type of position of somebody
who would have been for years.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Didn he literally live next to Epstein? Am I right
about that?
Speaker 9 (49:33):
I don't remember that, let me look it up.
Speaker 7 (49:35):
But he's the person who would be like in a
position to know, yes, and so like he's hearing this
for years and years, and there you have him just
breezily saying like, yeah, he was pulling guys in to
have massages.
Speaker 9 (49:45):
And I'm sure they're all on video.
Speaker 7 (49:47):
This is the Commerce Secretary, This is the Commerce Secretary
and his own boss, the President of the United States
wrote a the very most the most terrible to put it, like,
what's even the what is even the word like cheeky
birthday letter to a guy who the Commerce Secretary again
(50:08):
is saying, yeah everyone like he's saying it so breezily.
As The implication is, everyone knows that he was pulling
guys in they get massages in his townhouse and he
was gross.
Speaker 9 (50:17):
They knew it, and they.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
Did it anyway, that implicates the president.
Speaker 11 (50:21):
They didn't do it anyway, They did it because of that.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, by the way, I did shock.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
He did live next door to Epstein in Upper east Side,
that Upper east Side mansion. Lutnik was the next door neighbor.
Speaker 9 (50:31):
Park Avenue is Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:33):
He was the founder of Camp or at least the
CEO of Canter Fitzgerald, you know, absolutely massive financial service
firm that was at the top of the World Trade Center.
So yeah, he's he's right in that in that social circle. Yeah,
what he's saying is that it's it's not that people
(50:55):
saw what he was doing and hung out with Epstein. Anyway,
despite that they were hanging around him because of that.
Mm hmm, like that was the draw for people. He
was not like brow but you know, it was not
twisting their arms to get these massages. And then, like
Nottinick says, he believes that they were getting filmed at
(51:19):
that point. It doesn't matter if they were getting filmed
or not. Like if you're one of these guys, like
a gates for somebody who's in that room. And then,
as Latinix says, whatever happens happens, and you're not sure
if it's if the cameras are on, you now are
under the thumb of Epstein because because maybe he's got film,
(51:42):
maybe doesn't.
Speaker 11 (51:43):
He probably does. You don't want to find out the
hard way. So then he's got you. But as you know, as.
Speaker 6 (51:51):
It's as also the case, you he barely needed blackmail
over these people like he was. He had, he had
money and power and connections then and people wanted to
be part of that. Yeah, And so I look like
that mail's like almost a little extra, little all carte
item that he could bring.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I feel like that really comes out in some of
the correspondents that was revealed between JP Morgan executives who
were like debating whether to keep him on. And you know,
there were several in particular who tended to be his advocate,
but one specifically who had been to the island. And
there's this grotesque email exchange between that dude and Epstein
(52:32):
talking about like, oh, I had a great time with
whatever Disney persnow white I think it was. And he says, oh, well,
who would you like next? And he said, I think
you know, Beauty and the Beast or something like that.
I mean, seems clear what is being referenced there, And
so you know you've got it working. All that was
so Epstein is bringing in money to JP. Morgan's bringing
(52:53):
deals he's able to bring in. He facilitates a meeting
with nan Ya, who facilitates a meeting with Elon Musk,
bringing in all these big players. Build Gates, I think,
is one of the people that he brought in as
well as trying to set.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Up something with them. So he's making them money. Number one.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Number two, this dude is like enjoying the time on
the island. He's having a grand old time and doing
whatever's happening there, and so he's benefiting monetarily he's benefiting sexually,
he's benefiting in terms of like his lifestyle. And then
also he knows that if this guy ever wants to
pull the pin on me, he can do it. So
(53:29):
he's also under his thumb that way. And it seems
pretty clear like that Lutnix general assessment is correct, that
you know, these guys were getting benefits, and they knew
that there would be a cost to just like distancing
themselves from Epstein, from certainly being a whistleblower in regard
(53:51):
to Epstein, So they just decided to enjoy the perks
instead of doing the correct and obvious moral thing.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
And to Emily's point, it must be a good interviewer,
because like Lutnick, why are you bringing Epstein up right now?
We just had the Charlie Kirk memorial.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Like people were kind too, but like, you know, the Epstein,
Like it's been a long September. But September started with
the drawing, the trump drawing of the premature woman in
the Jeffrey Epstein book, and then the Charlie Kirk assassination happened,
(54:29):
and largely the conversation was over about the Epstein book
and stuff like that. But nope, let's refresh, let's bring
I mean, that's.
Speaker 7 (54:37):
The danger of sitting down with Marnda Devine, who is
like just friendly with a lot of these guys and
is also like very curious about deep state issues. So
it's it's she's in one of those rare positions where
she can pull some of that extract some of that
information very casually out of guys like Howard Lutnik. I mean,
Lutnik is, like Ryan said, it's it's not surprising that
(54:58):
stumbled into this little disclosure, but that is a good reminder.
There were video tapes confiscated from Palm Beach, videotapes confiscated
from the Manhattan townhouse. We do not know anything about
what the government knows from the surveillance network from the
houses that was apparently uncovered. All of the guys, like Lutinx,
(55:19):
seemed to believe that there were hidden cameras. We saw
the pictures of The New York Times released of cameras
in the bedroom. There's very clear evidence Epstein was just
aggressively recording what happened in his homes in black using
that as blackmail. And we know that the government has
unreleased information that would help us understand that better because
(55:43):
we know some of these records were seized from the houses,
So that is a giant I mean, continues to be
one of the biggest unanswered questions that the government seems
to have zero interest whatsoever in ever coming up with
a response to.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, guys, we should probably talk a little bit about
the fact that there was supposed to be a jobs
report this morning and there's no jobs report this morning.
And I think we've got some Joni Earnst Soybean updates
as well. But I mean, this is a huge story.
This is something that in a more normal time, this
would be red alert, you know, breaking news. Everyone be
(56:20):
freaking out and losing their minds. And I'm sure there
are plenty on Wall Street who's still freaking out and
you know, losing their minds. But this is supposed to
be jobs report Friday. Every Friday of the month you
get the government bls jobs report. Everybody waits to see
what those numbers are. They're highly they're the most i
would say anticipated numbers that come out of the government,
and this week we're just not getting them.
Speaker 7 (56:43):
Now.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
That is partly because of government shutdown. It's partly because
Trump fired the previous BLS commissioner because he didn't like
the numbers he was getting. It's partly because the dude
that they picked to be swapped in for BLS commissioner
was like a total incompetent crank that even some on
the right were like, this guy can't possibly do the job,
and they pulled his nomination and so now we're just
(57:05):
like flying blind on the economy. This comes on the
heels of a different privately compiled jobs report from ADP
that was negative and that also had a downward adjustment
for the prior month. So things not looking so great
in terms of where we are economically at this point.
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One more part of that tease, Crystal will be live
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Of Baltimore for right Tommy coming to us live from Baltimore.
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I'm supposed to be supposed to be at night, so
I'm gonna have to hang out there all day.
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That's fine. I like Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Bad Bunny on a boom box.
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Corey Corey Bush is running for Congress against Wesley Bell,
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Nice.
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She was already I think it was already now this morning.
Oh cool, it was nice, it was it was expected.
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Excellent?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Got a bunch of stuff to get to you, Ryan,
It's going to give us a flotilla update. We've got
some Mayor Pete weighing in on Israel and Gaza spreading misinformation.
We've got the most horrific ice raid and trampling of
everybody's rights that I can imagine. We got shutdown updates,
we got read updates, we got all kinds of stuff
to get to this morning.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Rank Griffin and most importantly, Taylor Swift new album, you know,
potentially the worst thing we have to talk about all day.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And there's a new album, like like a new new album.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I didn't even see.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
This apparently came out just and just in time for
my birthday. So we're gonna break all that down. We're
gonna get copyright straw. It'll be great, Emily, Are you excited?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
That's right? Everyone in the comments, you have to be
nice this time.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Okay, alright, I always love You're like my favorite.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I don't read them, but they get sent to me.
I read the emails, I don't read the comments. Okay,
all right, Well let's get right into it. Let's start
with some flotilla updates. Now, the majority of the flotillas
have been intercepted on their way into Gaza, and this
video was released by Ben Givier taunting some of the
flotilla activists.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
He's calling them terrorists, murderers.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
All right, So that's most of it.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
It goes on from there, and there's other videos of
the IDF boarding the ships, and it seems like their
new angle is that there was actually they're showing there's
no aid on these ships actually, and that it was
all a pr stunt, Ryan, where are we at with
all of this, and especially with your drop site correspondent
Alex Well.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
He's with everybody else And as we understand, basically everybody
has been moved to a space inside uh the Kittat
prison which is down in southern Gaza, notorious as a
torture camp.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
But our understanding is that they're all being held together
in a in a big in a big space like
you like you saw there actually in the background of
that of that video. We haven't got in any reports
of any significant violence or any you know, mistreatment other
than being illegally taken into custody. They were, uh, they
(03:12):
were not in Israeli waters when the Israeli warships you know,
boarded and captured them.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
The International Court of Justice has an order in place
instructing Israel that they are forbidden from blocking humanitarian aid
into Gaza. So not only did they not have the
authority to board the ship, they were actively flouting the
i c J when they when they boarded the ship,
(03:40):
Israel claims that it was enforcing a legal naval blockade,
but that's that assertion is rejected by the International Court
of Justice.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I also want to just sit for a second with Ben,
sorry Ben Gevere, having the audacity to call them terrorists
when first of all, what are they doing. They try
to bring in like baby formula to people who are
being starved to death. And second of all, he is
a literal convicted terrorist, so you know, talk about projection here,
convicted in Israel of support for terrorism.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
And I was wondering if either of you could address, like,
I'm seeing a bunch of Israeli propaganda videos after having
boarded the ship go viral. I don't know if you
guys have seen any of those, being like there was
no aid on the ships. These aren't serious people, if
you guys have us, that's what the Israeli propaganda has
been over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
So the so Alex had told us that every ship
had you know, significant quantities of particularly baby formula mm hmm,
because that's you know, and and and other like you know,
peanut butter style nutritional supplements that are that are helpful
to people facing severe mount nutrition.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And didn't I see that Israel had deemed peanut butter
like a luxury and wasn't allowing that in whatsoever. Which
of course is wanted though, like, which is one of
the most stables of fighting mount nutrition.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Israel
did not post videos of that. I mean, you can
certainly find places on the boat that don't have AID
in them.
Speaker 8 (05:11):
Yeah, so you're just going through the boats and saying
there's nothing in here there it was all for show,
blah blah blah. Yeah is yes, this one is the
one I'm talking about.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
Bringing into Gaza, which explains one thing to me.
Speaker 10 (05:24):
I'm sure it explains to you that when we and
multiple other countries offered them to take this aid and
bring it to the Gazans, we could facilitate it safe arrival,
they flat out rejected it.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
How much like that facilitating going on.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Eat on that on that point they did say like, okay,
we will will take the aid to Rashkana, will take
the aid here and then we'll deliver it, which is
the just uh kind of an insult to anybody's intelligence.
Is like, if Israel was facilitating the entry of aid
into Gaza, this this flotilla would not exist. We wouldn't
(06:01):
be here if yeah, if we trusted you to bring
in the aid like, it's not for a lack of
aid in the ports or on the trucks, Like the
ports and the trucks that surround Gaza are filled with aid.
Speaker 11 (06:14):
It's not that there is a lack of aid.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
Right, it's not a baby formula shortage.
Speaker 11 (06:18):
There's no shortage.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
The shortages of a willingness by Israel to allow it
to get into Gaza.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
They are very.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Explicitly tying feeding and treating the population to the ceasefire
that is on the table now there explicitly include those provisions.
So if this soldier has some indication that that's all
fake and actually Israel will just let them in, then
they should tell the negotiators that, because there seems to
(06:46):
be some confusion among the negotiators who have made it
a central part of the ceasefire offer that we will
stop starving you to death if you accept these terms.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Well, but again, the drop site correspondent is on one
of these boats, right, and there's aid on the boats.
Speaker 11 (07:01):
Yeah he's yeah, there was, there was, he was.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I mean, these are not huge boats, so let's not
kid ourselves. You know, it would be enough for to
help count a couple families, But like, yeah, there he
said there was. There was definitely yes, as it was
packed with as much kind of baby formula as they
could take, because you know, they thought that with fifty
(07:25):
ships there was a chance that some would get through
mm hm. And so if some got they wanted them is.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To establish a humanitarian corridor. The point is not we
have sufficient aid to feed the population. The point is
we need a humanitary a reliable humanitarian corridor so that
aid can be brought in systematically to feed and provide
for a population that is being starved and displaced and bombed,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
So my question for you guys, are you just real quick?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Is like, why aren't more I haven't seen any prominent
Democrat talk about this, Like I haven't seen AOC and
Bernie talk about the flotilla, Like what is the dangers politically?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
That why so many people are.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Gun shy about these, you know activists around the world,
a lot of them American, you know, being taken by
the IDF and humiliated by Ben Givier.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Why is no one talking about this?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean, I presume the same reason why they're reluctant.
You know, across the board, we do have a number
of Democrats now who have said it's a genocide. You
have the Progressive Caucus that has signed onto the block
the Bombs Act, so you have progress in that direction,
but you still have this just incredible reluctance. And but
(08:43):
you know, it's especially noteworthy Griffin to your point in
the face of some European countries actually being pressured into
acknowledging it, sending their you know, naval ships to ensure
the safety that sort of pressure, and you know, you
also have some European politicians who are on board were
on board this flotilla, which kind of forced the hand
(09:04):
I think of some of these European countries as well,
when I believe, you know, like in Italy, isn't there
aren't there Italian members of Parliament who were on board,
and that sort of pressured Maloney to have to step
up and do something, even though that was very much
against what she what her politics are and what she
wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Right right, and the you know, the dock workers shut
down the Genoaport. They had three hundred thousand Italians in
the street protesting this. In the US, there was you know,
this morning, there was actually a protest at the Elizabethtown
in New Jersey weapons plant, which hopefully I'll have video
before we're done this show this morning. But that was
(09:43):
you know, that's dozens that most people should be should
be applauded, but it's not three hundred thousand people. So
like people are not out in the streets here, people
are not shutting the ports down, and so that changes
the political calculation, so Democrats can kind of ignore it
and get away with it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I was gonna I was just going to share this,
and I wanted to get Ryan's update on this as well.
I saw Jeremy tweeting about this poll of Palestinians in
Gaza that found only eight percent fully support Trump's plan,
eighteen percent rejected, twenty five percent strongly opposed, forty one
percent one amendments.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
He says.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The New York Times interviewed four Palestinians Agaza ran this headline,
many Palestinians say Hamas must accept ceasefire plan, you know,
at the same time, of course, like we know the
horror in.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The sense like this just has to end at any cost.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And I know that was what you were hearing Ryan
from Palestinians as well. So what's your sense of where
any of that.
Speaker 11 (10:37):
Is right, that's the balance.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Like pretty much everyone I spoke to had the basically
the same take, which is this is this is a rotten,
corrupt bargain. But if it's take or leave it, like
take it and just and live live another day, that
that it has to end, that all this just has
to stop.
Speaker 11 (11:00):
Uh So Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
The New York Times framing was a bit like as
if people were like excited and grateful for the offer.
But I think it's I think it's I think a
better way to understand it is just anything that ends
the suffering, under any circumstances, on any conditions, any terms,
end this like just.
Speaker 11 (11:22):
Stop this is that this is torture, Like we're all
we're dying.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, so but is that Do they like the idea
of Tony Blair setting up some colonial administration funded by
you know and backed by like Oracle software. No, I
don't think you can find men. It was like, yeah,
I'm really looking forward to that. But compared to.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Dying in a famine, sure, I mean it seems to
me like the deal is crafted to basically snuff out
the Palestinni liberation movement, like to end the project completely.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Is that there?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Sense is that your sense, you know, is that in
Jeremy's conversations with Moss and p i J officials that
their sense.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, that's this, that's the idea. Yeah, that because if
you have this enclave in this kind of dystopian techno lockdown,
and people are in camps where you know, they might
even not like they might even you know, let's say
they take all their phones and give them new you know,
Oracle devices or whatever that have.
Speaker 11 (12:30):
Only approved apps on them.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
They already have control of their phones, forcing them to
watch speeches and whatever.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
And very you know, very strictly control movement and more
aggressively control in the future like what gets in it,
what gets out and then build try to build a
bunch of high rises or something. That how they're going
to do that is it's going to It's difficult to
see because just remute, removing the unexploded ordinance itself is
(12:57):
like a ten year project because of the the vast
amount of munitions that Israel dropped that haven't exploded Jesus,
you know, Hiroshima levels of unexploded ordinance everywhere, and so
imagine trying to then dig that out.
Speaker 11 (13:14):
And those those.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Someone's going to make a lot of money to them.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, that's going to be a boon for some.
Speaker 11 (13:23):
Contractor, right, right, and it's it takes forever.
Speaker 9 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And while we're wondering where the Democrats are in response
to this, we've got to clip that Crystal shared with
me this morning from Andrew Callahan of Channel five, who
got to interview pe on Israel Palestine. Let's take a
listen on where the future of dem leadership is.
Speaker 12 (13:50):
They have the word I'm scaring people that it sounds
up a huge being is Israel Palestine.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
Where do you standle that stuff? Well, I'm gonna put
my cuff down.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
There's so many things that have to be said.
Speaker 12 (14:01):
And what I've learned is if you don't say all
of them, people think you're abandoning them. So here's some
things in no particular order.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
He thinks that's so profound.
Speaker 12 (14:09):
There are unspeakable horrors taking place in Gaza. I know
that those unspeakable horrors are something that was unleashed by
a war that started with unspeakable horrors being perpetrated by
Hamas on October seventh.
Speaker 11 (14:24):
Well, I know that at the beginning of the conflict,
of course, I.
Speaker 12 (14:26):
Mean this goes back to forty seven, and it goes
back before forty seven.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
That's exactly my point.
Speaker 12 (14:30):
The moment you say anything, but the moment I talk
about discussed at babies being put in ovens and people
being flayed by Hamas on October seventh, somebody says, well,
you're not talking about the history of the Nakba and
what happened with the displace of the Palestinians, And the
moment I express disgust at watching people in Gaza being starved,
somebody says, we must be excusing what happened with the mind. No, yeah, now,
(14:54):
there is nothing intrinsically anti Semitic about speaking up for
the rights of Palestinians. At the same time, a lot
of people I know who why awake at night, worried
about their kids going to college or walking the streets.
You know, hear expressions of support for Palestinian civilian life,
and think about the fact that, even though nothing about
that makes you soft on anti Semitism, the experience has
(15:17):
been that those two things, expressions of support for Palestinian
civilian life and expressions of anti Semitism, have sometimes traveled
together because there is in fact an explosion of anti
Semitism going on in this country.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So what are we to make of that, folks?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean, he got fillaid for going on with the
pod save guys and having metaphor yes, absolutely nothing to say,
And clearly he learned nothing from that, because however long
that answer went on, he said literally nothing, and is
his biggest upset is that people are mad at him
(15:57):
for trying to both sides, for not being willing to
take a clear stands.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
He's like, you know, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Why when I say babies are baked in the oven,
which is a literal lie, why do people correct me
on that? Why do people want me to take a
clear moral stand here? I don't get it. Why can't
I just bullshit this the way that I do literally
everything else. And I just at this point, like, I
actually am pretty shocked that he did the babies baked
in the oven thing, because that has been dispelled since
(16:27):
like one week after October seven. That was one of
the first things we figured out. I mean, those of
us who had intellectual intellectual capacity knew it was a
lie immediately, but that was one of the first things
that we found out. Oh No, this was just utterly
and completely made up, and yet here he is almost
two years into a genocide, still repeating atrocity hoaxes.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Unbelievable, Yeah, and talking about like flaying people and babies
baked in ovens almost two years later. Yeah, it just
reflects a real extraordinary lack of not you know, not
just courage, but any curiosity around the actual event itself.
(17:11):
But but he does seem to have genuine frustration that
his whole thing here doesn't work, like this is his thing,
like and Obama does this too, but Buddha Judge is
even much more of an offender where.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
Instead of Obama on this exactly.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Like exactly, but instead of answering a question, you you
you state a bunch of facts, and often you state
facts that are somewhat in tension with each other. And
it and it gives an audience a sense that you
that you're being thoughtful, and you hope that in all
of that smoke they don't notice that you actually never
(17:51):
answered the question. It's just kind of you just kind
of reformulated the question in a series of assertions. And
he's very upset that that trick doesn't work here. And
here's the thing that frustration.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Is real and Here's the thing that he doesn't get
is like liberals used to eat that ship up right,
that Obama style, Like, oh, let me demonstrate all the
intellection that I have, all these facts that I can
lay at your feet. Yeah, always speaks in paragise, so intelligent. No, liberals,
including I'm not just talking about leftists, liberal democrats, right
(18:27):
that I've had at gals, they are not, they are not.
They want you to give an answer. They want you
to be a leader, They want you to have moral clarity.
And because if you can't say, two years into a genocide,
this is a genocide, it's outrageous, it needs to stop.
I'm disgusted with myself that I was complicit in it.
If you can't say that, how are you going to
stand up to Donald Trump? Like that should be It
(18:50):
should be easy to oppose a genocide. And if you
can't do that, how am I gonna trust you to
fight on any number of other things. So, like, if
this man thinks that he has a prayer of being
the nominee in twenty twenty eight, first of all, zero
percent of black people continue to support him. That's number one.
Number zero literally is zero percent literally zero. Number two wildly,
(19:13):
wildly out of touch with where the Democratic base actually
is at this point. They are disgusted with leadership, they
are wearing for a fight. They're horrified by what we've
been involved in in Gaza, and they are looking for
people who have the slightest shred of moral integrity to
actually be willing to take a stand there rather than
(19:36):
low key continuing to smear people stand up for Palestinian
rights as being anti Semites.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
It's that answer was not the answer of a politician
who is in touch with his own party's base. It
was the answer of somebody who's vaguely aware of where
the polling is and knows that he has to like
try to find a way to sound profound like that
was the most ridiculous part of the interview is how
he's acting like he is has come up with some
(20:03):
novel way to communicate about this intractable problem. And it
sounds like somebody is vaguely aware of the polling but
also has those donors tripping in his ear. And for
Republicans and Democrats, we had a great glimpse of what
this actually looks like when The New York Times confirmed
gray Zone reporting about turning Point donor Robert Shulman, who
is apparently like a father to Charlie Kirk, like a
mentor to Charlie Kirk, and revoked literally millions of dollars
(20:28):
and cut himself off from Turning Point USA, not because
Charlie Kirk said anything, but because Charlie hosted Tucker Carlson
and Dave Smith at a Turning Point conference recently. That
is the magnitude of the pressures. But if Buddha Judge
can't stand up to them, then he should stay the
hell off the podcast circuit because it's not going to
get any better for him until he is honest.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know the crazy thing to me is, back in
the Tea party era, you had this major upset, like calamitous,
shocking upset of Dave Bratt over Eric Canter, and most
Republicans looked around at that and said, holy shit, this
is a different landscape. I better adjust. I better be
(21:12):
looking to my right, I better be paying attention to
these like nobody weirdos who are primarying me like I
need to get it together. Dencrat had that moment. That
moment was Zorn Mamdani beating Andrew Cuomo by twelve points right,
a landslide, totally reach reshaping the electorate.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Polls were wildly.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Off, coming out of nowhere, destroying this like legacy political figure,
and instead of really taking that in, they have layered
themselves with all kinds of cut. Well it's New York City. Well,
I don't know, that doesn't really count. Well, I'm not
really paying attention to that race. Well, I think it's
really because, you know, he's sort of like abundance ish,
and that's why people like it, right, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
He's young and handsome, Right, he understands social media.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's what it really is. Is his mom's a film director.
So he's got these like great videos. Maybe if I
just make some like quick cut vertical vertical recorded videos,
maybe I too can capture this magic.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Like.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They either dismiss it entirely or they come up with
the dumbest possible reasons why they think he won so
that they can avoid learning the very clear lessons that
the message that was sent to them through that election.
And so I think you are going to have some
Democrats who are really caught unawares by primary challengers, by
(22:34):
major figures, who are taken out.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I don't know, who are what that's going to be.
But I think we're going to be in.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
They are going to be in for some major surprises
this year because they have done everything they possibly can
to avoid learning the lessons that are transparently in front
of them right now.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
It's one of my favorite polls.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
You just see a favorability for the Democratic parties is
gallop in July among Democrats is really right now similar
to the levels that it was among Republicans in the
Tea Party years. So it's not even just like these
obvious examples of Mom Donnie Bernie almost beating Hillary and
almost beating Biden and AOC beating Joe Crowley. I mean
Democrats have had this gift of waking up to where
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the base has handed them on a silver platter over
and over and over again.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
And Emily, what about MTG.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Look at MTG out here, She's got like some of
the most like small dollar contributors, Like is she is
she more in touch with her base than the rest
of the party And is she like on this issue alone,
like is this catapulting her to some new eschelon?
Speaker 7 (23:34):
I mean it always depends with Republicans because there's a
ton of daylight between people who say like, oh, wrap
up the war, but are still like ardently supportive of
Netanyahu in Israel. So it's always hard to know what
it means when a Republican says at this point to
a Polster that they support Israel or not. But she's
definitely more in touch with the millennial gen Z Republican voter,
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that's for sure at this point.
Speaker 9 (24:01):
So we'll see going forward.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Her small dollar donations are something that should also be
eye opening to Republicans.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, I mean, we shouldn't overstate the amount of the
Republican shift because still overwhelmingly Republicans are pro Israel right
and see the world more through like there are ally
and you know, they're more like us or whatever the
worldview is. I can't even really wrap my head around
it at this point. So most of the shift boomer
Republicans are still right where they've always been, lockstep Israel
(24:31):
by and large, on board with you know, what Trump
is doing and the everything for Netanyahu's strategy. They're totally there.
It's really just among young Republicans that you begin to
see a split. But that's you know, I mean, I
think feel like Israel is kind of freaking out about that.
I feel like that's a big part of the reason
why they're taking over TikTok and installing Barry Weiss as
(24:54):
editor in chief of CBS.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Like, I can't even you.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Know, if you Tons, yes, you told me some of
these things that would be reality now, like Tony Blair
is going to take over Gaza and Barry Weiss is
going to be editor in chief of CBS, I would
be like, I mean you just like I literally could
not have made it up. I could not have made
it up in.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
My mind, all of those those young viewers at CBS News,
the young demographic.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
It was a great birthday gift to you, though, Griffin.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That's right, Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
I'm happy for our colleagues, our sister podcast and their success.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
You're mostly happy for your friend, Olivia Rean Gold. We
all know that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I like content creators. So why don't we move on
to Ice. We've got some horrible news stories over the weekend,
and this one really struck Crystal that she wanted to share.
This was happening in Chicago, I believe where their use
of black Hawk helicopters was used.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Let's take a listen to a little bit from the
local news.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
She says they took everyone and then ask questions later.
It just treated us like we would nothing Particia Fisher
said she came out to the hallway of her apartment
complex on the corner of seventy fifth and South Shore
Drive in her nightgown around ten Monday night, only to
find Ice agents yelling police. It was scary because I've
never had a gun put in my face. They asked
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my name and my day of birth and asked me
did I have any worse and I told him no,
I did it.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
She said.
Speaker 13 (26:23):
She was then handcuffed and released around three am. Fisher
said she was told if anyone had any kind of
worn out for them, even if it was unrelated to immigration,
they would not be released. Sinsinnapt video shows the chaotic
scene overnight. Neighbors tell us there were dozens of Ice agents.
Neighbors like Ebanie Watson, says they ducked for cover as
they heard several flash bangs go off.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
They was terrified. The kids were crying, people were screaming.
They looked very destroyted.
Speaker 13 (26:49):
I was out there crying when I seen the little
girl come around the corner because they was bringing the
kids down to had them dipside to each other. That's all.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I kept asking, where's the morality, where's the human Yeah,
so it keeps going on.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
But there's more reports also of like, yeah, them dragging
children out into out of their homes. Some of the
children were naked, apparently sip tied, and so yeah, what
are we what are we to make of this? Especially
after Trump has meme war declaration of Chicago. I think
a week or two ago is when he posted that
meme of nay palaming Chicago.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So I guess he's following up on his promises here.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Well, he also promised in that Quantico speech this week
to use these cities as training grounds.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But yeah, explicitly talking about unleashing the military with all
of the top generals assembled there against the enemy within.
And like these ladies that you just saw there on
the street, who are American citizens who did nothing wrong?
That is apparently what he means. I mean, I just
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I know that there's a lot that shocking in the world.
I know there's a lot of shock in the country.
I really want people to sit with what happened here. Okay,
they used black Hawk helicopters in the middle of the
night to repel into an apartment building. They pulled everyone out,
broke down the doors, destroyed their belongings. There were no warrants. Okay,
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Little kids who were sleeping naked or in their underwear,
pulled out, crying, zip tied together and thrown into U
haul vans. Little American kids. Okay, it wouldn't be okay
if it's immigrants, by the way, but I know this
is like an important distinction for a lot of people.
Other people, grown ups, adults, seniors, dragged and did nothing wrong,
middle of the night again, unclothed, zip tied together, thrown
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and detained for hours, for hours, no ability to make
a phone call, no lawyer, no warrant, nothing like. These
are criminal acts. These are criminal acts being committed by
the DHS. They have decided that our rights do not exist,
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do not matter that through brute force, they can literally
do whatever they want to whoever they want. That's what
we're talking about here. And this isn't the only instance.
New York Times had a report on a number of
American citizens who'd been swept up by ice. You know,
one man, he was trying to get to his work site.
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American citizen veteran, Army veteran by the way, had his
windshields smashed in by ice. They shot pepper spray in
his face, and they pulled him out, arrested him and
held him for three days, no call, no lawyer, nothing.
They think they can do whatever they want. And that's
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what I want people to really understand. Okay, this is
about immigration, but it's also not about immigration. This is
about a regime that thinks they can literally act with
impunity because they have the power and they have the guns.
Some of these these democratic mayors and governors, like law
enforcement needs to protect these citizens. They are being abused,
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they're being assaulted, they're having their rights violated, they're having
their possessions destroyed. This apartment complex may not even open
up again, they may be completely displaced.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I just I am. I am completely floored.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I'm without words, like I it's hard for me to
be shocked by what this administration does. At this point,
when we were talking about pulling naked kids out of
their beds, zip tying them together and drawing them in
the back of a U haul van in the middle
of the night, how can anyone I don't care if
you love Trump or hate Trump or your antiam or whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I don't know how anyone.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Morally justifies this and feels okay with it and thinks
that it doesn't directly implicate your own rights in your
own life.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
There this the also I think this also implicates the
rogue nature of ICE like ICE ICE as a ICE
as a genuinely dangerous agency. People started calling it out
around twenty seventeen twenty. It was only created in the
wake of nine to eleven, and it produced it had
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produced this like rogue culture where anything went. I don't
know if you remember, in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,
several members of the squad went down to the border
and before that the interception and also Republica like obtained
the Facebook chats like the Facebook page, this private Facebook
(31:32):
page had like hundreds of not just ICE agents but
top officials in ICE, and it was insane like genocidal
rhetoric like rape threats, death threats, like the most the
(31:52):
most disgusting type of stuff that you can that you
can fathom, was being put out onto this massive Facebook
group with senior officials at ICE on there and hundreds
of agents and absolutely nothing was done about that. And
now we have an entire rogue government. So it's not
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fair to call Ice rogue anymore. ICE's Ice. Ice is
now aligned with this administration and is being told all
of those impulses that you've had all of these years,
those are good, feed them, go for it.
Speaker 11 (32:31):
We've got your back.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
And yeah, Crystal's point that it shouldn't be done to anybody,
but it's of course it's not going to stop it.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
So called illegal immigrants, So.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
There's absolutely no excuse. I mean, they have helicopters in Elgin.
If you know the area. Elgin is a suburb of Chicago,
like a sleepy suburb of Chicago, and I'm sure there
are a lot of Venezuelan migrants who have, in the
case in Chicago, the Chicago raid that we were talking
about earlier, lived in the apartment buildings. They brought a helicopter,
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military vehicles and Christine Nome into into Algin. And sometimes
people when I say that this is a LARP, act like,
I think that's not serious. It's it's actually like it's
calling something a larp, like a fascist larp. I think
that's extremely serious, and I think that's what they're doing there.
If you go to the DHS Twitter, it obviously goes
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beyond a larp when you're actually detaining people. But I'm
using that to say that they are doing this performatively.
They are detaining US citizens for the performance value that
they see in this like like theater of Blackhawk helicopters
or helicopters at all in suburban Chicago with christ Nome
and the photo ops. Remember this is again Homeland Security,
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where Christy Nome is doing.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
All of the photo ops.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Like their their position on the performance is that it's
like just as much of a part of the game,
and so that's where they're really leaning into it. And
it's abhorrent. I mean, it's just it's it's so unseerious.
And I say that coming from a different place than
you guys, which is there are really serious.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
I think they are like extremely serious.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Operations that need to happen because there actually are people
who came who are criminals, and in fairly big numbers
during the case of the Biden administration, that are actually
endangering US citizens. There are people who are are here
who need to go through the legal processing system because
they have their US citizens and wages are on the line,
(34:36):
and I know I disagree with you guys on that point,
but like I think, I believe in the process, and
I believe that the Biden administration left the Trump administration
in a position where the American people wanted to see
the process.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
But that's from my perspective.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
This is like even more horrifying because of that, because
it is so unseerious and if you go to their
social media, they are posting the most like just the
dumbest stuff on the DA Twitter feed and I'm sure
it's like that on Instagram too, And so I just
feel like they're sacrificing something that's really serious for alarp
(35:08):
and be endangering like people's rights.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
And it's not impossible.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
That some of these guys end up actually like incarcerated
down the line.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
They need to be.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I mean, they genuinely like these are criminal acts. And
you can go and you can watch. In California, Ice
stormed a car wash and again they've been green light
by the Supreme Court to just racially profile. By the way,
stormed a car wash and seventy nine year old American
(35:41):
business owner comes out to try to say, Hey, I
have paperwork for these workers, like what's going on. They
throw seventy nine year old American business owner, throw him
to the ground, jump on him, break his ribs, give
him a head trauma, head injury, ends up in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
He is now suing them.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
You can watch this on video right, And this is
the part, like you know, I just told you about
the guy American veteran in a car, like there are
so many Americans who are caught I don't even want
to say caught up in this, who are being targeted
by their own government. That is vastly more terrifying than
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some Venezuelan migrants living in your apartment building. Go ask
those ladies, I mean, one of those ladies who they're
at the end of the clip that we showed. She
was saying, I kept asking them, where's your morality?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
What are you doing? These are kids?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And they said. One of the Ice agents said, and
I quote, fuck them kids. That was their view, Fuck
them kids, these are whether they're immigrants or Americans, and
this was mostly Americans in this apartment complex, that's their view.
That is profoundly more dangerous than any you know, potential
(36:55):
like Trendo Arragua member.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
When you're government that.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Has the full force and power of the state is
acting with complete and total impunity. That is a vastly
greater danger than anything that we have seen in terms
of undocumented immigrants coming into this country. And this is
the part that I feel like no one ever grappled
with or talked about. When you know, they were at
the RNC with the mass deportation now signs and everyone's
(37:21):
shearing this and the vibe shift blah blah blah, especially
for there was a contingent of libertarians. And you know,
I like Dave Smith, but he's he's emblematic of this
type who embrace this sort of thing. And it's like,
in order to separate undocumented immigrant from citizen, it requires
a massive police state apparatus.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
That is what necessitated.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like that is what is necessitated by this mass deportation strategy.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And by the.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Way, if you care about you know, if you care
about going after the criminals, getting criminals down, et cetera,
they're doing a piss poor job at that. Drug trafficking
convictions are way down because.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
The public not focused on that.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Public too, they want to be raiding a random apartment building,
they want to be raiding the home deep of this
is explicitly what Steven Miller has said. So it's the
polar opposite of going after the violent criminals. The majority
of the people who are now in ice custody for
the first time have no criminal conviction whatsoever, are not indicted,
They're not like these are just people who cross the
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border illegally, which is a civil infraction, and are being
treated like they're you know, serial killers. It's insane. And
so it should be surprising to no one the way
that this, this stripping of rights from immigrants, any rights,
the ones that they're entitled to, stripping of all rights
from immigrants, was going to bleed over into American citizens.
(38:51):
And we're seeing that expansion over and over and over again.
And I'm just I don't know, I'm horrified. I'm absolutely
horrified by what we're seeing happening here in our country
with so little pushback from the so called opposition Party.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Two.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
And and also, the Chicago's Mexican American population is like
well over like one hundred years old. Like this is
that it is a fab it is a part of
the fabric of Chicago culture and society, you know, the
Mexican Revolution. And then we the you know, the the
need for factory jobs, factory workers in World War One
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really you know, drove this massive pull of Mexicans who
moved up to the Chicago area, which is roughly the
same time that Stephen Miller's family got here. Like they
like Stephen Miller's family and a lot of these Chicanos,
you know, have have equal amounts of claim when it
comes to the duration of the time that they've spent
here in the United States. So like pretending that you
(39:50):
can you know, take heritage. Yeah, and the exactly and the.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
He's the Chicago area, Latino, that's right.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Yeah, the Supreme Court like believing the Supreme Court legalized
like this like skin color test that you know from
like maybe put the put the little paint stick up,
find somebody's face, and the darker they are, the more right.
Ice has then to like you know, smash their face
into the end of the sidewalk. But it actually belies
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the the real history of Chicago. And I was talking
to some people from Chicago last night. They were saying,
it's like a ghost town in huge parts of the city.
People just scared, like in their own country, scared to
go out.
Speaker 9 (40:40):
Nice shot and.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Killed a guy in around Chicago, and then they lied
about about it. You know, they claimed he use a criminal,
They claimed that they were you know, severely injured.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Video came out and it was complete and total lie.
Like this guy had no was not a criminal, no
criminal record whatsoever, and they ended up killing him. Like
that's that is the level of impunity that we're talking
about here. And I don't know, I just feel like
if they're they keep they're just allowed to get away
with you. We all watched that woman outside the courtroom
(41:12):
in New York who was upset because her husband was
being arrested to be deported. She's there with her two
little kids. This thug takes her, grabs her by the hair,
throws her on the ground again, all recorded. We all
can see it. And she ends up in the hospital
with a head injury. And the guy, if initially I says, oh,
(41:34):
this was unacceptable behavior. Week later he's back on the job.
Not even a week later, he's back on the job.
What do you think these new recruits who are coming in.
The big beautiful Bill has makes ICE the largest law
enforcement agency in history. What do you these new recruits
who are coming in, who were looking at this, what
do you think that their attitude is going to be like, Like,
(41:57):
if you're signed, if you're seeing those videos, if you're
seeing seven nine year old business owner having his ribs broken,
if you're seeing the man who was shot to death
on the side of the road, if you're seeing this
lady who gets thrown to the like, and you're like, yes,
that's me.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I want to be part of that. This is only
going to get worse.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
Well, I also just want to emphasize this makes everybody
less safe because once again, yes, I think the Trump
administration has this idea, there's a public mandate to do
quote mass deportations, which everybody is going to define differently. Seriously,
there is no consensus number for what a mass deportation
would look like or what it should look like. And
there have already been backlashes in the public. You see
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Rogan and others who have moved away from what the
quote mass deportation administration looks like.
Speaker 9 (42:42):
But they're losing.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
I mean, this is going to jeopardize an enormous amount
of public support for the project of actually ridding the
country of violent criminals. And there are some violent, violent
criminals here and so everybody is less safe because the
Trump administration right now is choosing to prioritize this theater.
(43:03):
And I don't mean that again like it goes beyond theater,
because it's actually happening, of course, But I'm saying they're
a huge part of their animus for doing it the
way that they're doing it is it's not just about
disincentivizing people that continue coming into the country and getting
people to self deport It's not just about that.
Speaker 9 (43:19):
It's the show of force that.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
You know, the the people inside the administration are loving.
And again you can tell this from their social media.
It feels like this this culture or backlash to the
Biden era. You see this with the Pete Hagseth speech
this week. It's this idea of putting on a show
of fighting back against like the culture of weakness and
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anti Americanism and all of that. And if it leads to,
as it is in this case, militarization of suburbs like Elgin,
the public is going to rightfully start pushing back and
then you going to lose any scrap of public support
for what people did say they wanted to see at
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some point. Now again, what that looked like nobody had.
Some people might have been comfortable with a small number
of quote mass deportations compared to what the Biden administration
was doing, but that's all going to be gone for
the Trump administration the more that this continues. And again,
this is like, rightfully, so, these are US citizens and
you are incompetently like acting a fool because you want
(44:31):
to play dress up and use the black Hawk helicopterism
because the president is saying we should use these cities
as a training ground for the military.
Speaker 9 (44:39):
That is not American and it is not conservative.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And mean because Steven Miller is a sadistic freak and
he runs the government. I mean, that's whose policy this
is like. And there, I mean, this is the thing
that is so I don't know, I don't even know
the words at this point, but it's so terrifying to
grapple with because they can't be so stupid as to
think this stuff is popular. It's not right you.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Oh no, I actually think they do. I seriously think
that they do.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It seems to me like they genuinely don't care what
the election results are, like they will you know. The
level of overreach is so insane that it just seems
like they have thrown electoral politics to the side, and
I'm like, well, okay, well what does that mean. You
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don't think that there's ever going to be any sort
of electoral repercussions to the acts that you're taking here.
You know, they're so proud of like, oh, Trump was
able to win over some significant amount of Latinos and
even there were some number of black voters who came
back to him like that is that is all gone? Right?
Speaker 3 (45:52):
The young people that voted for that is all gone?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And yet they continue in this completely unhinged fascist takeover.
And so that's what makes me ask like, okay, well
what is the plan then, because clearly they don't think
there's ever going to be any potential of electoral consequences.
They're going for the whole thing right now. They're going
for the whole enchilada. That's what NSPM seven, by the way,
(46:18):
that Ken Klippenstein has been reporting on is about, We're
going to make sure we don't even have a political opposition,
like they don't even exist, which Democrats are doing a
good job of basically like making reality.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
All on their own.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
They are taking a little bit of a stand this
week so we'll give them a little bit of credit
for that. But you know, Trump made that comment in
that speech as well. He's like, I thought there'd be pushback.
I thought we'd have a fight. There's no fight. They're
going for the whole thing. And so acts like this.
It's not just about immigration. This is a demonstration of force.
This is a demonstration to the public, citizen non citizen alike,
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we can do whatever we want to you. You better
stay in line, you better pray, you better be on
our good side, because that is the only thing that
we'll protect you. These that you imagine you have, they
don't exist. Look at the Supreme Court. They give us
everything we want at every turn. The only thing that
they stood up against was like, I guess we're going
to keep the FED in place.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
That was their line. They're other than that. On the
shadow docket, Trump has gotten his way. So yeah, greenlit
the racial profile, all of this, the recisions, all of it. Yes,
your rights don't matter here anymore. And that's what these
that's what these overt acts, rogue, lawless criminal acts, assaults,
bring naked children out in the street and stuffing them
(47:30):
in U haul vans, killing someone on the shide of
the street and lying about it, throwing business owner that
that's what they are meant to convey. We can do
whatever we want to you, whenever you want, so you
better shut up and sit down and get in line.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
So we got PR problems with this, and we've got
other PR problems happening in the Trump administration, which I
think will move us nicely to a little bit of
Epstein news that Emily shared with none of the than
Howard Lutnik kind of stepping into the ring here.
Speaker 7 (48:05):
So Howard Lutnik went on, uh, the Miranda Divine New
York Post podcast, which gets a lot of dishy stuff
because Miranda like knows these guys pretty well and was
able to, you know, pull some of these thoughts out
of them. And this is like sneakily one of the
most candid things that Trump administration official has said since
the entire Bindergate Bondi fiasco of especially earlier in the summer.
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I think Lutnik was just comfortable in a conversation with
Miranda Divine and said this, Griffin's about to play the
clip about what he thinks on Jeffrey Epstein, having known.
Speaker 14 (48:40):
Him the guy's gross, right with my wife and the
guy's gross. This was not the deep nuance of Howard Lutnik.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
This guy's gross, right, So how come Bill Gates and
all these other people could hang around him and not
see what you saw? Or did they see it and
ignore it or no?
Speaker 14 (49:00):
They participated, right, That's what his mo was, you know,
get a massage, Get a massage. And what happened in
that massage room I assume was on video. This guy
was the greatest blackmailer ever, blackmailed people. That's how we
had money.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
Interesting, so he assumed some of it's on video.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
Book and Ryan, you can speak more to those. But
Howard Lutnick was firmly ensconced in the world of New
York finance, exactly in the type of position of somebody
who would have been for years.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Didn he literally live next to Epstein? Am I right
about that?
Speaker 9 (49:33):
I don't remember that, let me look it up.
Speaker 7 (49:35):
But he's the person who would be like in a
position to know, yes, and so like he's hearing this
for years and years, and there you have him just
breezily saying like, yeah, he was pulling guys in to
have massages.
Speaker 9 (49:45):
And I'm sure they're all on video.
Speaker 7 (49:47):
This is the Commerce Secretary, This is the Commerce Secretary
and his own boss, the President of the United States
wrote a the very most the most terrible to put it, like,
what's even the what is even the word like cheeky
birthday letter to a guy who the Commerce Secretary again
(50:08):
is saying, yeah everyone like he's saying it so breezily.
As The implication is, everyone knows that he was pulling
guys in they get massages in his townhouse and he
was gross.
Speaker 9 (50:17):
They knew it, and they.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
Did it anyway, that implicates the president.
Speaker 11 (50:21):
They didn't do it anyway, They did it because of that.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, by the way, I did shock.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
He did live next door to Epstein in Upper east Side,
that Upper east Side mansion. Lutnik was the next door neighbor.
Speaker 9 (50:31):
Park Avenue is Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:33):
He was the founder of Camp or at least the
CEO of Canter Fitzgerald, you know, absolutely massive financial service
firm that was at the top of the World Trade Center.
So yeah, he's he's right in that in that social circle. Yeah,
what he's saying is that it's it's not that people
(50:55):
saw what he was doing and hung out with Epstein. Anyway,
despite that they were hanging around him because of that.
Mm hmm, like that was the draw for people. He
was not like brow but you know, it was not
twisting their arms to get these massages. And then, like
Nottinick says, he believes that they were getting filmed at
(51:19):
that point. It doesn't matter if they were getting filmed
or not. Like if you're one of these guys, like
a gates for somebody who's in that room. And then,
as Latinix says, whatever happens happens, and you're not sure
if it's if the cameras are on, you now are
under the thumb of Epstein because because maybe he's got film,
(51:42):
maybe doesn't.
Speaker 11 (51:43):
He probably does. You don't want to find out the
hard way. So then he's got you. But as you know, as.
Speaker 6 (51:51):
It's as also the case, you he barely needed blackmail
over these people like he was. He had, he had
money and power and connections then and people wanted to
be part of that. Yeah, And so I look like
that mail's like almost a little extra, little all carte
item that he could bring.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I feel like that really comes out in some of
the correspondents that was revealed between JP Morgan executives who
were like debating whether to keep him on. And you know,
there were several in particular who tended to be his advocate,
but one specifically who had been to the island. And
there's this grotesque email exchange between that dude and Epstein
(52:32):
talking about like, oh, I had a great time with
whatever Disney persnow white I think it was. And he says, oh, well,
who would you like next? And he said, I think
you know, Beauty and the Beast or something like that.
I mean, seems clear what is being referenced there, And
so you know you've got it working. All that was
so Epstein is bringing in money to JP. Morgan's bringing
(52:53):
deals he's able to bring in. He facilitates a meeting
with nan Ya, who facilitates a meeting with Elon Musk,
bringing in all these big players. Build Gates, I think,
is one of the people that he brought in as
well as trying to set.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Up something with them. So he's making them money. Number one.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Number two, this dude is like enjoying the time on
the island. He's having a grand old time and doing
whatever's happening there, and so he's benefiting monetarily he's benefiting sexually,
he's benefiting in terms of like his lifestyle. And then
also he knows that if this guy ever wants to
pull the pin on me, he can do it. So
(53:29):
he's also under his thumb that way. And it seems
pretty clear like that Lutnix general assessment is correct, that
you know, these guys were getting benefits, and they knew
that there would be a cost to just like distancing
themselves from Epstein, from certainly being a whistleblower in regard
(53:51):
to Epstein, So they just decided to enjoy the perks
instead of doing the correct and obvious moral thing.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
And to Emily's point, it must be a good interviewer,
because like Lutnick, why are you bringing Epstein up right now?
We just had the Charlie Kirk memorial.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
Like people were kind too, but like, you know, the Epstein,
Like it's been a long September. But September started with
the drawing, the trump drawing of the premature woman in
the Jeffrey Epstein book, and then the Charlie Kirk assassination happened,
(54:29):
and largely the conversation was over about the Epstein book
and stuff like that. But nope, let's refresh, let's bring
I mean, that's.
Speaker 7 (54:37):
The danger of sitting down with Marnda Devine, who is
like just friendly with a lot of these guys and
is also like very curious about deep state issues. So
it's it's she's in one of those rare positions where
she can pull some of that extract some of that
information very casually out of guys like Howard Lutnik. I mean,
Lutnik is, like Ryan said, it's it's not surprising that
(54:58):
stumbled into this little disclosure, but that is a good reminder.
There were video tapes confiscated from Palm Beach, videotapes confiscated
from the Manhattan townhouse. We do not know anything about
what the government knows from the surveillance network from the
houses that was apparently uncovered. All of the guys, like Lutinx,
(55:19):
seemed to believe that there were hidden cameras. We saw
the pictures of The New York Times released of cameras
in the bedroom. There's very clear evidence Epstein was just
aggressively recording what happened in his homes in black using
that as blackmail. And we know that the government has
unreleased information that would help us understand that better because
(55:43):
we know some of these records were seized from the houses,
So that is a giant I mean, continues to be
one of the biggest unanswered questions that the government seems
to have zero interest whatsoever in ever coming up with
a response to.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, guys, we should probably talk a little bit about
the fact that there was supposed to be a jobs
report this morning and there's no jobs report this morning.
And I think we've got some Joni Earnst Soybean updates
as well. But I mean, this is a huge story.
This is something that in a more normal time, this
would be red alert, you know, breaking news. Everyone be
(56:20):
freaking out and losing their minds. And I'm sure there
are plenty on Wall Street who's still freaking out and
you know, losing their minds. But this is supposed to
be jobs report Friday. Every Friday of the month you
get the government bls jobs report. Everybody waits to see
what those numbers are. They're highly they're the most i
would say anticipated numbers that come out of the government,
and this week we're just not getting them.
Speaker 7 (56:43):
Now.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
That is partly because of government shutdown. It's partly because
Trump fired the previous BLS commissioner because he didn't like
the numbers he was getting. It's partly because the dude
that they picked to be swapped in for BLS commissioner
was like a total incompetent crank that even some on
the right were like, this guy can't possibly do the job,
and they pulled his nomination and so now we're just
(57:05):
like flying blind on the economy. This comes on the
heels of a different privately compiled jobs report from ADP
that was negative and that also had a downward adjustment
for the prior month. So things not looking so great
in terms of where we are economically at this point.
Speaker 5 (57:25):
Yes, unforse that clip and more on the second half
of the show, where we'll get into that and more
subjects like the re Odd Comedy Festival, and we'll be
answering some of your AMA questions from the Breaking Points
premium members. If you want to sign up watch the
second half of the show uh Breakingpoints dot com and
we'll see you all on the other half.
Speaker 9 (57:46):
One more part of that tease, Crystal will be live
alone on the streets.
Speaker 7 (57:50):
Of Baltimore for right Tommy coming to us live from Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
I'm supposed to be supposed to be at night, so
I'm gonna have to hang out there all day.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
That's fine. I like Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Bad Bunny on a boom box.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
As well, great American artists, you know, you.
Speaker 4 (58:10):
Know, folks, if you don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (58:13):
Right now, there's an incredible Tommy Lauren takes down Crystal
Ball Lar.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Sorry, it's been so long.
Speaker 5 (58:21):
So if you want to see Crystal Ball get absolutely humiliated, own, wrecked, destroyed,
uh and see her liberal tears, you can check out
that interview.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
But also.
Speaker 11 (58:33):
Corey Corey Bush is running for Congress against Wesley Bell,
so maybe we'll talk about that.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
Nice.
Speaker 6 (58:38):
She was already I think it was already now this morning.
Oh cool, it was nice, it was it was expected.
But she's now officially in.
Speaker 5 (58:46):
Let's go so much to happen and talk about on
the second half of the show, and we'll see you
all there in just a moment.
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