October 6, 2025 • 29 mins
Krystal and Saagar discuss soybean farmer rips Trump, shutdown polling, Van Jones blames foreign misinfo on anti Israel sentiment.
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dot com. All right, after that long discussion, we're going
to turn out to the economy, shall we. Let's go
ahead and start with this viral segment here of a
soybean farmer furious with the Trump administration for bailing out
Argentina after he has himself suffered tremendously from tariffs.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let's say a listen, Well, like we talked earlier, we
went from twelve billion to zero, and then you know,
as a farmer, we get up one morning and you
get of Argentina, which is our second biggest.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Competition in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They're the largest exporters of soybean meal in the world.
So I get up one morning, I turned the news on,
and you get twenty billion dollars the taxpayer money to
my competition. And then the Chinese buy I think the
figure is thirty or forty containers ships, which is about
sixty five thousand metric tons per ship, which is like
two point two million bushels. So they buy twelve or
(01:23):
fourteen billion dollars worth of sody beans from the Argentinians
after the tax holiday.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And here's the caveat to it.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
They give two dollars and thirty cents over the November board,
while I'm getting fifty cents under the November board. So
that makes s the Argentinian soybeans about twelve dollars and
forty two cents a bushel. I think that's the real
figure they gave. So all my premium they all went
to Argentina.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So all my premium went to Argentina. Man, I haven't
gotten into weighing on Argentina. That is so patently insane
that we're bailing these people out literally just because they're
Trump friendly. I mean, because yeah, of course, hedge funds
and vcs, etc. Who place bets on the Malay dream
and now our own people are like, hey, what the fuck, dude.
(02:09):
And then we had the leaked text messages that came
out from what was it to Scott Besson about the Chinese.
Just the way that these people have handled this, it
offends me more than anything, like the lack of coherence,
the incompetence. It is unbelievable and it would be funny
(02:30):
if it weren't for guys like that, the soybean farmer
bailing out, Argentina becoming the laughing stock, having no real
trade deal here with China. By the way, I've been
tracking closely. The new Prime Minister of Japan previously had
said I'm going to renegotiate that trade deal. So let's
see how that goes. We turned Japan against us, great awesome.
There are so many instances on the world stage and
(02:51):
here publicly where things just make genuinely no sense, like
no sense whatsoever. And so putting it all together with
the economy, that's what worries me because at the same time,
the one industry which is actually getting quite a bit
of help from the federal government is ai and there's
some worrying stuff out there. Le's put this up here
on the screen. The AI bubble is quote seventeen times
(03:14):
now the size of the dot com frenzy, and four
times the subprime bubble. One analyst is saying, of course, look,
we can always find analysts say everything. But of course
I like the headline, and I do think it kind
of underscores some of the issues that we are having.
Where we talked extensively about this AI capital expenditure and
data center spending specifically is the only thing propping up
our economy. We would almost certainly be in a recession
(03:36):
if it were not for AI data center spend. That
is a highly inefficient way to make sure that you
have GDP growth because it is not in any way
distributed across the economy. It is the literal opposite of
what a thriving small business labor market and all of
that is supposed to look like. If we look in
the opposite direction, what do you say you see everything
else trending in the wrong direction? C three for example, Please,
(03:59):
let's put it up here on the screen. Quote, are
we in a recession? Yes, if you live in one
of these twenty two states, And so they specifically point
if you look at those recession numbers, part of it
is the flyover country where a lot of it is farming.
That's where a lot of that is coming from. You
have the Pacific Northwest, you have Maine, and a lot
of the Northeastern corridor actually here in our own home state.
(04:21):
And then including down the federal government. And then actually
this is very concerning if you look down south, because
down south and specifically around Florida the Panhandle, these states
were supposed to be booming under the new economy with
work from home and with new investment, Georgia and all
these other places. We're supposed to be getting a lot
of money. And so anyway, when you look at some
(04:42):
of these, it's very worrying and you consider that if
you have twenty two states, a lot of them in
places are not going to be data center reliant and
or anything that has to do with the technology company
or oil and gas, like you can see in Texas
it's expanding, you're already having issues and they already say
treading water and a lot of big enemies, including California.
So it's not a rosy picture when we put it all.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Together, No, absolutely not. And worth reminding you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We were supposed to get a jobs report Friday. We
did not get a jobs report Friday. That was partly
government shutdown, partly that we don't have a BLS commissioner,
and the one that gave the numbers Trump didn't like
got fired the new guy. Even conservatives were like, this
guy can't do the job, and so his nomination had
to be pulled. They previously had delayed an inflation report,
but there was an eightyp private jobs report that came
(05:30):
out that showed a very damaging jobs number and a
lower revision for prior months as well. So things looking
incredibly shaky. And to go back to the piece about
you know the teriffs in the way this is impacting everybody,
put C four up on the screen. I mean, this
is just this just kind of tells you everything. So
while the soybean farmers are getting screwed every way in
(05:51):
five ways, on Sunday, you have basically no terrafts on
computer imports. So for these giant companies that are building
on these data centers, they're not having to bear any
extra costs from the tariffs. And you have this massive
computer import surge due to the AI boom.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So this speaks to the terror policy.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It also speaks to the increasing consolidation of our economy
in this you know, very speculative AI data center boom.
And you know it's possible, by the way, just like
with the dot com bubble, that AI genuinely does turn
out to be transformative and that a bunch of people
lose their asses and we have a massive you know,
(06:32):
crash and contraction and a bubble bursting because most of
these investments that are being made, and we're talking insane
amounts of money being thrown at AI and at data
center build.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Out right now, most of this is not profitable.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
They're still in this land of like, well, we'll figure
out how to make money down the road, but we
have to be the ones to win the AI race.
And so of course that could set out. I got
one for you bubble situation.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Huge news just this morning, AMD stock is up like
forty percent. Open Ai and AMD have announced a massive
new computing deal quote marking the new phase of the
AI boom. Five year agreement will challenge in Videa's market dominance.
As open Ai plans deployment of the AMD new chip.
Their stock is literally booming overnight. I think it's actually
carrying a decent portion of some of the gains this morning.
(07:19):
But what does that mean? I mean, do you remember
we I? Oh yeah, I was on with Ryan where
Open Ai invested one hundred and fifty billion. I forget
into who into some company and then their stock went
up by like one hundred and fifty billion, And you're like,
wait what. You're like, you're you're you're spending money, but
then your stock goes up. I think it was a video,
that's what it was. It was like, we're going to
spend x y and z and then our market cap
is going to go up by x, y and z.
(07:39):
It's like, but no, the money's going out of the company,
So how did this work? You're like, what, Look, I'm
not a smart person, I guess when it comes to stocks,
because I would have predicted a crash a long time ago.
But something about this it just doesn't seem right. And
then the Sora Ai. You know, I originally was kind
of excited for Sora Once Sora two came out, I'm like,
(07:59):
this is literally just TikTok slop, Like Ai TikTok slop.
I saw mister Beast and other people being like, oh,
it might replace creators. I don't think so, at least
for right now. Yet to my eye, it looks like shit.
So and I have yet to see a piece of
creative AI art that actually passes the smell task.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But I don't They're getting close, though, they are.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Have you seen anything compelling like actually good?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So, Kyle and I were talking about this last night
and he was showing me these videos that people made
of like I don't know, WWF, like nineteen nineties WWF remakes,
but it'll be like Tupac Shakor and Bickie right, And
because you're telling it to do it in that style,
the camera quality is low, so it's a little fuzzy,
(08:43):
the way that if you watch some nineteen nineties media,
the way it would look, and they pull that off
really pretty well.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I've seen some of these ninety eras cuts, yes, yeah,
so take me back. I feel like.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Those are the ones where it comes closest. If you're
trying to create a video that has the quality of like,
you know, four K cameras in twenty twenty five or whatever,
and that level of Christmas people have a little bit
of that uncanny Valley, Like there's a weird sheen to them.
It's just not quite right. But they're getting pretty close.
(09:15):
I mean, the level of the rapidity of the development
is for me, it's very unsettling. I personally think we
should just shut it all down because we are not
as a society. You know, the economic piece is one
really important piece. Just like as a society, are we
ready for this? Think of the think of people falling
(09:35):
for some of the crap that's being put out now
that is obviously AI, and people are falling for it.
You're gonna have a total like failure and inability of
society to understand what is real and what is false.
Things that are real. Remember Trump with the thing that
we're throwing out the White House went on and he
was like, oh, that's probably AI like things that are
(09:56):
actually real. Or you can look at the images in
Gaza that you know, the propaganda. Oh that's not real,
that's fake, that's that's AI.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
There will be that dynamic where things that are really
happening people say are fake, things that are fake.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Are going to be deemed as real.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's going to be topsy tervy and we are as
a society in no way prepared to deal with that reality,
let alone the other implications in terms of jobs displacement
and what the social contract is going to look like.
All of that so to me, I find it all.
I'm very troubled by all of it.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm worried as hell. You know, we were talking the
first sore video that went viral was a surveillance video
of sam ol Sam Yeah, and I said, can you
imagine if this shit had been around just a few
weeks ago, when Charlie was shot and Tyler Robinson deep
fakes that were going around, you can see it happen
like this. Also to the discussion we just had about
potential division and all that these boomers barely know what's real.
(10:48):
On Facebook, have you seen some of the stuff they're
already sharing, yes, which is so those weird.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Bridge videos where people are like on a glass bridge
and it falls apart and that a dog rescues a
girl and whatever, and people are believing this stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, it's really scary.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I mean, I'm not sure that some of the Tyler
Robinson stuff that I have.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Seen isn't ai.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I don't know for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I'm not sure, right these surveillance, if they're grainy whatever,
you could fake that easily already.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So I don't know, why don't we get to shut down?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, a lot going on here in terms of obviously
still government shutdown appears to be an impass as well.
Trump is trying to pin the blame on Democrats. Will
show you some polling to indicate whether people are buying
that or not that.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Let's go ahead and take a listener shop.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well there, I call them Democrat layoffs. Their Democrat layoffs.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They're causing it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We're ready to go back. You know, we have a
record sitting economy. Whoever record sitting countries prices the way down.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We're doing better than.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
The country he's ever done.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And the Democrats hate seeing them.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's up to them.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Anybody laid off, that's because of the Democrat.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Despite the current Democrat induced shutdown, we will get our
service members, every last petty.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'll worry. You'll worry.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And Sager, I'm sure you saw how they were like
forcing people's like out of office replies to blame the
Democrats and putting up messages on the government websites. I mean,
hatch Act. What's that apparently doesn't matter anymore. But that's
his framing.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yes, well, you know I said this this morning. Is
this the weirdest shutdown you've ever been through? Twenty thirteen
and twenty eighteen, it was the biggest story in the world. Yeah,
front page of the New York Times, there's not a
single story about the shutdown.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Not one. Really.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I went to the front page of the Wall Street Journal.
Open ay is the leading story. Nobody cares. It's it's crazy.
I mean, look, this may be DC bias, but twenty
thirteen and twenty eighteen especially, I covered the White House
in twenty eighteen every single day shutdown, shutdown, shutdown, when
I was in the White House briefing room, shutdown, when
Trump was doing a press conference, all we're asking about
is a shutdown. If you were in the White House today,
(12:56):
if what's the number one question you would ask probably
Portland or GASA. I wouldn't ask Trump about the shutdown.
It's weird show end. Yeah, you're right, it's number four.
It doesn't feel like the stakes are high. And I
don't know, I mean, it's a weird situation, right, because
if you can shut the whole government down and nobody cares.
Did the government really shut down? I mean, I'm not
saying there won't really be effects or any of that,
(13:18):
but it is kind of an interesting question as to
the maybe maybe a lot of us are just in nerd.
We went through twenty eighteen not much change. Let's be honest,
it was the longest shutdown in American history is thirty
five days. I lived through it. Half of it was
through Christmas, So I guess people just kind of ignored it.
TASA still function, troops got paid whatever. Right, Maybe that's
just where we are now, like this is just baked
(13:39):
into the process, even though it's a sign of like
genuine small d democratic failure in terms of the republic.
But it's odd. I've been I've been trying to think
through it because I have on my old brain DC
brain for a shutdown where I'm like, oh, what about
a deal or a gang of nine or something. There's nothing,
nothing is happening. Everyone's out of town. Yeah, they're not
even here.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think it's shut down fatigue from all these years
of shut down politics. I think it's also just, you know,
so many extraordinary things are being done in this in
Trump two point zero in particular that the bar for
like freak out is really high, and so and I
also think Doge plays in there too, where you had
all of these insane cuts and the hatchets and one
(14:22):
hundred thousand federal employees just resigned as part of that
like fork the road thing, their time was up.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
That just happened.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And so, you know, these massive cuts to the federal
government that have happened on the Trump administration also just
feels sort of like, oh, you know, this is this
is what we're doing apparently, So I think that's part
of part of why I don't know, that's that's how
best I can figure it out, is just even in
my own sense of like, you know what I'm most
concerned about the shutdown, to me is important for Democrats
(14:51):
to take a stand because the only place they have
power and.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
To try to fight back.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But I would say also the you know, the issue
suite that they picked is really important, very critical healthcare
for people. It's a place where you know, Democrats are
winning the rhetorical battle. People broadly support the expansion on
the ACA subsidies, et cetera. But it also doesn't get
to like the beating heart of what the base cares
about and so I think that's part of it as well.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Definitely, let's put the polling up there, shall we. Let's
just go ahead and skip forward D three guys, please,
and you can see how the government is handling the
shutdown for Trump a thirty two percent approval Representatives, twenty
eight Congressional Democrats. It is twenty seven people.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
People don't like it. They just feel like, Okay, this
is the yea, this is dysfunction.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You know, that's generally how people feel about everybody involved.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Let's go to the next one, shall we and continue
concern about the government shutdown on the economy very concerned
forty nine percent, but everybody else either somewhat or not concerned.
Let's continue, and we can look at this are the
positions worth the government shutdown? Democratic position only twenty eight
percent say worth it. To Republican position only twenty three
percent say worth it. If you look at not worth it,
it's forty and forty five, and then not sure is
(15:58):
basically equally tied thirty percent. Continue, please, basically showing you
by the way that people are not fully on board
in terms of who's to blame for the government shutdown.
You have the plurality, thirty nine percent say Trump and
the Republicans thirty percent of the Democrats thirty one percent
say equally. So there's a lot of like eh either
Trump Democrats both equally going around kind of hatred of
(16:19):
the political system. And then finally let's go to the
last one among Democrats a congressional shutdown quote is it
worth it? Forty forty eight percent say yes, which to me,
that's a huge messaging failure from the Democratic party.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Grade because you know, with your own people it should
be higher.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You need to be in the ninety If if you
had polled Republicans at the height of the twenty thirteen shutdown,
was it worth it? I could guarantee you it would
have been like eighty or ninety.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Oh you think so.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
During that Tea Party wave, the Obama of the hatred,
where everybody was they were ready, They were like, we
are done.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And this is where I do feel like the you know,
what the base wants them to make a stand on
is like National Guard needs to be out of our cities,
like those sorts of the authoritarian crack down pieces. That's
where the energy is with the base of basically like
you can't fund this authoritarian government. And so the healthcare
piece is smart for a like general audience messaging, and
(17:15):
it does put Trump in a bit of a bind
and the Republicans in a bit of a bind because
you know, the fact that healthcare is to get about
to get wildly more expensive is genuinely a bad thing
for them. That's like a really it's like a you know,
red flashing light that is blinking. That is about to
be a major political problem for them. So they do
have some incentive to deal with that and be able
(17:37):
to extend those subsidies and not have those.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Issues for the midterms.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You've got some frontline Republicans who are in swing districts
who feel like, let's just go ahead and you know,
and go ahead and extend these subsidies as well. But
if you're trying to energize your own people and like
have them committed to this and really be on board
and we're like going to the mat and we're not
going to cave, et cetera, it's not really quite it's
not quite.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
The right message.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's very focused to as it's very like what pulls
the best what's our best strategic tactical advantage. I understand it.
And by the way, I'm not saying it's not important.
I'm just saying in terms of where the energy and
the base is, this is not really it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Do we have that tweet about being weak? Do we
have that yeh, which you mentioned?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, maybe I can just talk about it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So they asked people like what words best describe the
two parties, and I think they gave them some choices.
So it wasn't just like free form. They gave them
some choices. So the number one word describing the Democratic
Party at sixty four percent is weak, and the one
word describing the Republican Party at fifty nine percent is extreme.
(18:43):
And so that's kind of I mean, I think that's
how people view these parties. It's like the Democrats are
weak and lifeless, Chuck Schumer, King Jeffreys, not exactly inspiring
any confidence in literally anyone at this point, and then
the Republicans are like off their rockers doing all this
crazy stuff, but they're strong. You know, there's the next
one down for Republicans is strong. So that's yeah, you know,
(19:06):
that's kind of the way that people are viewing this.
And yeah, I mean, I do think that's the biggest problem,
and that's what people don't understand. Not to go too
far afield, but that's what people don't understand about the
appeal of Zoran is that or even like you know,
you brought up Graham Platin earlier, but putting aside like
the content of the policy, there's a sense that these
guys like know what they believe in, They're willing to
(19:28):
take heat over it, They're willing to take a stand,
et cetera. And that is so sorely lacking within the
Democratic Party. I do think that just like a content
free sense of this is a person who has a
strong view of the world and is willing to stand
on a principle is a big part of their appeal.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I need to see it in a more bad That's
why I'm I'm watching Graham much closer than is New
York is a blue city like look, no offense to
the guy. I think he ran a good campaign. Good
for him. I want to see it work in like
an actual polarizing state or you know, a place where
Republicans have won in the past. That's where I'm curious
to see what that brand and all of that will
end up looking like, because that's the ultimate question of
(20:06):
can you actually oppose the National Party on in your
own state and overcome that in the way that the
Tea Party Republicans were, or you're just going to be
looked at as a normal Democrat if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, well that's I mean, that would be their greatest
appeal is just like you're willing to actually stand up
to the Democratic Party and separate yourself from them because
they have a terrible, terrible tale and.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
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I have a case of those in my house. I
freaking love them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So Van Junes on with Bill Maher over the weekend
and decided to make a joke about dead Gaza babies
and his words showing up in everybody's social media feeds.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I love this conversation because I think people, those of
us who went to college, give a lot more credit
to college courses for how the world works than I do.
This is not about critical race theory on cosge campus.
This is about Iran. Iran and Cutter have come up
with a disinformation campaign that they are running through TikTok
and Instagram that is massive. If you are a young person,
(21:17):
you open up your phone and all you see is dead,
Gods of Baby, dead, Gods of Baby dead, Gud's baby Diddy, dead,
Gods of baby.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
That's basically.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So that's not that's not DEI.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
That is a Geoplan liversary. That is that is that
is deliberately trying to divide the West against set.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
There is so much to say about this. First of all,
there's zero evidence that any of this has to do
with an Iranian or Katari disinformation campaign. But these are
the sorts of things that you can just casually throw
around and people just accept it rather than, oh, I
don't know the fact that most Americans are horrified by
the idea of our tax dollars going to murder Gaza babies.
(22:03):
Maybe that's a big part of why people are sharing
that content and are feeling the horror at the morally
compromised position that we as American taxpayers are being put
in here. That's number one. Number two, you got Thomas
Friedman and Bill Maher both their.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Chuckling giggling number four and the audience.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You have the audience, I will say, having been on
the show, they like tell the audience when to laugh.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
But it's non excuse. But I'm not saying what dot
what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
We don't dock them. But guys, you got to think
about that one a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Van felt enough pressure that he did put out this apology,
sort of put this up on the screen. He said,
I made a comment on Real Time with Bill Maher
about the war in Gaza that was insensitive and hurtful.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I apologize. The suffering the people of Gaza, especially the children.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Is not a punchline. I'm deeply sorry it came across
that way.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
No, it was.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You meant it as a punchline. It was supposed to
be a laugh line anyway. What's happening to children in
Gaza is heartbreaking. As a father, I can't begin to
imagine the pain their parents are enduring, unable to protect
their kids from un imaginable harm. I'm praying and working
for immediate and to this war, and for peace and
safety for every family call in its path. I'm truly
sorry for the pain my words caused to people who
are already suffering more than anyone should. So okay, so
(23:12):
he felt pressure to apologize, but he still does not
take back this narrative that the reason why, yeah, you're
seeing atrocities in your feed is because of some foreign misinformation.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Like propaganda, psyop.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And I think it's really important that we sit with
that at a time when you know, it's official now
Barry Weist is.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Going to be editor in chief of CBS.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's got, you know, Oracle, the Ellison's and Fox News
taking over TikTok and already reportedly some censorship that is
occurring there. And we could put the Allison just so
you know what their deal is, put E three up
on the screen. Oracle executives say love Israel, or maybe
this isn't the job for you. They were like sending
people who objected to the companies just all in pro
(24:01):
Israel stance for mental health resources, like there was something
wrong with you if you just didn't agree with that.
So anyway, those are the people who are buying TikTok.
And it would not surprise me if the justification that
they use for increased censorship of pro Palestinian views is
exactly what Van Jones is pushing here.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, I mean, if we're going to be real, real here,
like who's the number one spreader of foreign propaganda on
social media? Be honest, Like, especially in the wake of
October seventh, what I got to go through all the
hoaxes that we have had to drip through over the
last three years.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
That they're paying influencers seven thousand dollars per post.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, I do. I want to see more documentation on
that one because it seems so insane, but I would
not put it past them, right at the very least.
Who do you think if we were to say that
there is foreign influence over American politics? Is there? What
country comes even close to Israel? There's not a single one.
And yet he's like this is some Katari or foreign
(24:59):
dis information op. I don't know. I mean, I just
think this is massive cope on the part of a
lot of the pro Israel community. They just can't fathom
that a lot of people just aren't buying their bullshit anymore. Yeah,
and you know the fact, I guess you're right. You know,
he felt like you had to apologize, And I don't
love what aboutism necessarily, let's say, in October nineteenth, if
(25:20):
you had the balls to go on the Bill mahersh
Show and say everything a time I opened my social
media feed, it's oven baby, oven baby, oven baby? Can
you imagine?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Can you?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And by the way, that, from what we know so far,
was not true? Correct? All right? And according to Haretz
and ask chat ept if you want.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
To, don't buying that particular disabler.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay, but I mean, can you imagine how you canceled
you would be if you said that about it? Which,
by the way, it was true because they spread that
overwhelmingly to the entire American population, to everybody on social media.
It's everybody who engaged in politics, so that they wouldn't
so that they would say thing like, yeah, but what's
happening in Gaza's horrific? But did you see what happened
(26:03):
on October seventh? That's still the line that they use today.
I don't know. So you know, it's like if we're
gonna be if we're gonna be able to laugh and
all of that at everybody, which I'm actually fine with
as long as it's equally distributed. I don't see, I
don't see a world where today you could take to
the Bill Maher airwaves and say what I just said,
like on October to nineteenth, which is crazy because Bill himself.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Bill wouldn't be there chuckling, that's for sure, right, And but.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Bill, this is what's so nuts. Bill himself was canceled
September seventeenth, two thousand and one, for saying that, actually,
we're the cowards because we launched missiles into the Middle East,
and it seems like it's not cowardly to crash a
plane into the twin towers. So he said that once
upon a time, and yet now his show seems to
be part of the same machine.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
There's something to be said to about Van's journey. Let's say,
I mean this guy, yes, this guy was.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
One hundred mill from Bezos spies a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
They are a Maoist radical signed some sort of nine
to eleven Truther type conspiracy letter was alleged to kick
down of the Obama administration because he was too extreme
and now like and by the way, specifically on Israel Palestine,
called for Palestinian liberation I believe called it an apartheid.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I mean, he was wow in the like to go
from apart tip left.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
The lefty position.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He had some I don't know, I saw some people
sharing in some like like Liberation rap album or something
where he was talking about Palestine. I mean he was
on the left, like truly on the left. And then
you know, then he's in Obama World. Then he's on
CNN and he's getting a hundred million from Jeff Bezos
and he appeared at that like pro Israel marche early on.
(27:46):
Yeah exactly, and it's like, bro, I just I don't know.
I don't, Well, the whole world is going the opposite direction.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, the whole world.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
How many people, you know, including Emily's talked about this,
how many people have had their eyes open to like
what this state is and what it's doing and their
lives and their propaganda, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
And you're going in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't count myself in that, Gud.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I didn't hate Israel before this.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I like heut myself in that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I you know, I had the critica, you know, apartheid,
all of that, but in terms of like just how
sick it was, I did not.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I did not understand.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I was not I was totally I was genuinely neutral.
I didn't care. I didn't support military eight or any
of that. I don't know to sport military to most places.
But yeah, to see it now, I'm like, oh my god.
So congratulations to Barry Weisse with all that new editor
chief over at CBS. By the way she sent out
we'll probably talk about this tomorrow, but she sent out
a letter of ten journalistic principles, and the first one
(28:40):
is journalism that reports on the world as it actually is.
So that's number one, all right, got it? So well,
preview a little show maybe what we'll talk about tomorrow.
All right, thank you guys so much for watching. Sorry
we went over time, but that's what we do here.
We'll see you tomorrow.
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to turn out to the economy, shall we. Let's go
ahead and start with this viral segment here of a
soybean farmer furious with the Trump administration for bailing out
Argentina after he has himself suffered tremendously from tariffs.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let's say a listen, Well, like we talked earlier, we
went from twelve billion to zero, and then you know,
as a farmer, we get up one morning and you
get of Argentina, which is our second biggest.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Competition in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They're the largest exporters of soybean meal in the world.
So I get up one morning, I turned the news on,
and you get twenty billion dollars the taxpayer money to
my competition. And then the Chinese buy I think the
figure is thirty or forty containers ships, which is about
sixty five thousand metric tons per ship, which is like
two point two million bushels. So they buy twelve or
(01:23):
fourteen billion dollars worth of sody beans from the Argentinians
after the tax holiday.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And here's the caveat to it.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
They give two dollars and thirty cents over the November board,
while I'm getting fifty cents under the November board. So
that makes s the Argentinian soybeans about twelve dollars and
forty two cents a bushel. I think that's the real
figure they gave. So all my premium they all went
to Argentina.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So all my premium went to Argentina. Man, I haven't
gotten into weighing on Argentina. That is so patently insane
that we're bailing these people out literally just because they're
Trump friendly. I mean, because yeah, of course, hedge funds
and vcs, etc. Who place bets on the Malay dream
and now our own people are like, hey, what the fuck, dude.
(02:09):
And then we had the leaked text messages that came
out from what was it to Scott Besson about the Chinese.
Just the way that these people have handled this, it
offends me more than anything, like the lack of coherence,
the incompetence. It is unbelievable and it would be funny
(02:30):
if it weren't for guys like that, the soybean farmer
bailing out, Argentina becoming the laughing stock, having no real
trade deal here with China. By the way, I've been
tracking closely. The new Prime Minister of Japan previously had
said I'm going to renegotiate that trade deal. So let's
see how that goes. We turned Japan against us, great awesome.
There are so many instances on the world stage and
(02:51):
here publicly where things just make genuinely no sense, like
no sense whatsoever. And so putting it all together with
the economy, that's what worries me because at the same time,
the one industry which is actually getting quite a bit
of help from the federal government is ai and there's
some worrying stuff out there. Le's put this up here
on the screen. The AI bubble is quote seventeen times
(03:14):
now the size of the dot com frenzy, and four
times the subprime bubble. One analyst is saying, of course, look,
we can always find analysts say everything. But of course
I like the headline, and I do think it kind
of underscores some of the issues that we are having.
Where we talked extensively about this AI capital expenditure and
data center spending specifically is the only thing propping up
our economy. We would almost certainly be in a recession
(03:36):
if it were not for AI data center spend. That
is a highly inefficient way to make sure that you
have GDP growth because it is not in any way
distributed across the economy. It is the literal opposite of
what a thriving small business labor market and all of
that is supposed to look like. If we look in
the opposite direction, what do you say you see everything
else trending in the wrong direction? C three for example, Please,
(03:59):
let's put it up here on the screen. Quote, are
we in a recession? Yes, if you live in one
of these twenty two states, And so they specifically point
if you look at those recession numbers, part of it
is the flyover country where a lot of it is farming.
That's where a lot of that is coming from. You
have the Pacific Northwest, you have Maine, and a lot
of the Northeastern corridor actually here in our own home state.
(04:21):
And then including down the federal government. And then actually
this is very concerning if you look down south, because
down south and specifically around Florida the Panhandle, these states
were supposed to be booming under the new economy with
work from home and with new investment, Georgia and all
these other places. We're supposed to be getting a lot
of money. And so anyway, when you look at some
(04:42):
of these, it's very worrying and you consider that if
you have twenty two states, a lot of them in
places are not going to be data center reliant and
or anything that has to do with the technology company
or oil and gas, like you can see in Texas
it's expanding, you're already having issues and they already say
treading water and a lot of big enemies, including California.
So it's not a rosy picture when we put it all.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Together, No, absolutely not. And worth reminding you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We were supposed to get a jobs report Friday. We
did not get a jobs report Friday. That was partly
government shutdown, partly that we don't have a BLS commissioner,
and the one that gave the numbers Trump didn't like
got fired the new guy. Even conservatives were like, this
guy can't do the job, and so his nomination had
to be pulled. They previously had delayed an inflation report,
but there was an eightyp private jobs report that came
(05:30):
out that showed a very damaging jobs number and a
lower revision for prior months as well. So things looking
incredibly shaky. And to go back to the piece about
you know the teriffs in the way this is impacting everybody,
put C four up on the screen. I mean, this
is just this just kind of tells you everything. So
while the soybean farmers are getting screwed every way in
(05:51):
five ways, on Sunday, you have basically no terrafts on
computer imports. So for these giant companies that are building
on these data centers, they're not having to bear any
extra costs from the tariffs. And you have this massive
computer import surge due to the AI boom.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So this speaks to the terror policy.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It also speaks to the increasing consolidation of our economy
in this you know, very speculative AI data center boom.
And you know it's possible, by the way, just like
with the dot com bubble, that AI genuinely does turn
out to be transformative and that a bunch of people
lose their asses and we have a massive you know,
(06:32):
crash and contraction and a bubble bursting because most of
these investments that are being made, and we're talking insane
amounts of money being thrown at AI and at data
center build.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Out right now, most of this is not profitable.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
They're still in this land of like, well, we'll figure
out how to make money down the road, but we
have to be the ones to win the AI race.
And so of course that could set out. I got
one for you bubble situation.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Huge news just this morning, AMD stock is up like
forty percent. Open Ai and AMD have announced a massive
new computing deal quote marking the new phase of the
AI boom. Five year agreement will challenge in Videa's market dominance.
As open Ai plans deployment of the AMD new chip.
Their stock is literally booming overnight. I think it's actually
carrying a decent portion of some of the gains this morning.
(07:19):
But what does that mean? I mean, do you remember
we I? Oh yeah, I was on with Ryan where
Open Ai invested one hundred and fifty billion. I forget
into who into some company and then their stock went
up by like one hundred and fifty billion, And you're like,
wait what. You're like, you're you're you're spending money, but
then your stock goes up. I think it was a video,
that's what it was. It was like, we're going to
spend x y and z and then our market cap
is going to go up by x, y and z.
(07:39):
It's like, but no, the money's going out of the company,
So how did this work? You're like, what, Look, I'm
not a smart person, I guess when it comes to stocks,
because I would have predicted a crash a long time ago.
But something about this it just doesn't seem right. And
then the Sora Ai. You know, I originally was kind
of excited for Sora Once Sora two came out, I'm like,
(07:59):
this is literally just TikTok slop, Like Ai TikTok slop.
I saw mister Beast and other people being like, oh,
it might replace creators. I don't think so, at least
for right now. Yet to my eye, it looks like shit.
So and I have yet to see a piece of
creative AI art that actually passes the smell task.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But I don't They're getting close, though, they are.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Have you seen anything compelling like actually good?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So, Kyle and I were talking about this last night
and he was showing me these videos that people made
of like I don't know, WWF, like nineteen nineties WWF remakes,
but it'll be like Tupac Shakor and Bickie right, And
because you're telling it to do it in that style,
the camera quality is low, so it's a little fuzzy,
(08:43):
the way that if you watch some nineteen nineties media,
the way it would look, and they pull that off
really pretty well.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I've seen some of these ninety eras cuts, yes, yeah,
so take me back. I feel like.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Those are the ones where it comes closest. If you're
trying to create a video that has the quality of like,
you know, four K cameras in twenty twenty five or whatever,
and that level of Christmas people have a little bit
of that uncanny Valley, Like there's a weird sheen to them.
It's just not quite right. But they're getting pretty close.
(09:15):
I mean, the level of the rapidity of the development
is for me, it's very unsettling. I personally think we
should just shut it all down because we are not
as a society. You know, the economic piece is one
really important piece. Just like as a society, are we
ready for this? Think of the think of people falling
(09:35):
for some of the crap that's being put out now
that is obviously AI, and people are falling for it.
You're gonna have a total like failure and inability of
society to understand what is real and what is false.
Things that are real. Remember Trump with the thing that
we're throwing out the White House went on and he
was like, oh, that's probably AI like things that are
(09:56):
actually real. Or you can look at the images in
Gaza that you know, the propaganda. Oh that's not real,
that's fake, that's that's AI.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
There will be that dynamic where things that are really
happening people say are fake, things that are fake.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Are going to be deemed as real.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's going to be topsy tervy and we are as
a society in no way prepared to deal with that reality,
let alone the other implications in terms of jobs displacement
and what the social contract is going to look like.
All of that so to me, I find it all.
I'm very troubled by all of it.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm worried as hell. You know, we were talking the
first sore video that went viral was a surveillance video
of sam ol Sam Yeah, and I said, can you
imagine if this shit had been around just a few
weeks ago, when Charlie was shot and Tyler Robinson deep
fakes that were going around, you can see it happen
like this. Also to the discussion we just had about
potential division and all that these boomers barely know what's real.
(10:48):
On Facebook, have you seen some of the stuff they're
already sharing, yes, which is so those weird.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Bridge videos where people are like on a glass bridge
and it falls apart and that a dog rescues a
girl and whatever, and people are believing this stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, it's really scary.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I mean, I'm not sure that some of the Tyler
Robinson stuff that I have.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Seen isn't ai.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I don't know for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I'm not sure, right these surveillance, if they're grainy whatever,
you could fake that easily already.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So I don't know, why don't we get to shut down?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, a lot going on here in terms of obviously
still government shutdown appears to be an impass as well.
Trump is trying to pin the blame on Democrats. Will
show you some polling to indicate whether people are buying
that or not that.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Let's go ahead and take a listener shop.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well there, I call them Democrat layoffs. Their Democrat layoffs.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They're causing it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We're ready to go back. You know, we have a
record sitting economy. Whoever record sitting countries prices the way down.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We're doing better than.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
The country he's ever done.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And the Democrats hate seeing them.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's up to them.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Anybody laid off, that's because of the Democrat.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Despite the current Democrat induced shutdown, we will get our
service members, every last petty.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'll worry. You'll worry.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And Sager, I'm sure you saw how they were like
forcing people's like out of office replies to blame the
Democrats and putting up messages on the government websites. I mean,
hatch Act. What's that apparently doesn't matter anymore. But that's
his framing.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yes, well, you know I said this this morning. Is
this the weirdest shutdown you've ever been through? Twenty thirteen
and twenty eighteen, it was the biggest story in the world. Yeah,
front page of the New York Times, there's not a
single story about the shutdown.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Not one. Really.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I went to the front page of the Wall Street Journal.
Open ay is the leading story. Nobody cares. It's it's crazy.
I mean, look, this may be DC bias, but twenty
thirteen and twenty eighteen especially, I covered the White House
in twenty eighteen every single day shutdown, shutdown, shutdown, when
I was in the White House briefing room, shutdown, when
Trump was doing a press conference, all we're asking about
is a shutdown. If you were in the White House today,
(12:56):
if what's the number one question you would ask probably
Portland or GASA. I wouldn't ask Trump about the shutdown.
It's weird show end. Yeah, you're right, it's number four.
It doesn't feel like the stakes are high. And I
don't know, I mean, it's a weird situation, right, because
if you can shut the whole government down and nobody cares.
Did the government really shut down? I mean, I'm not
saying there won't really be effects or any of that,
(13:18):
but it is kind of an interesting question as to
the maybe maybe a lot of us are just in nerd.
We went through twenty eighteen not much change. Let's be honest,
it was the longest shutdown in American history is thirty
five days. I lived through it. Half of it was
through Christmas, So I guess people just kind of ignored it.
TASA still function, troops got paid whatever. Right, Maybe that's
just where we are now, like this is just baked
(13:39):
into the process, even though it's a sign of like
genuine small d democratic failure in terms of the republic.
But it's odd. I've been I've been trying to think
through it because I have on my old brain DC
brain for a shutdown where I'm like, oh, what about
a deal or a gang of nine or something. There's nothing,
nothing is happening. Everyone's out of town. Yeah, they're not
even here.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think it's shut down fatigue from all these years
of shut down politics. I think it's also just, you know,
so many extraordinary things are being done in this in
Trump two point zero in particular that the bar for
like freak out is really high, and so and I
also think Doge plays in there too, where you had
all of these insane cuts and the hatchets and one
(14:22):
hundred thousand federal employees just resigned as part of that
like fork the road thing, their time was up.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
That just happened.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And so, you know, these massive cuts to the federal
government that have happened on the Trump administration also just
feels sort of like, oh, you know, this is this
is what we're doing apparently, So I think that's part
of part of why I don't know, that's that's how
best I can figure it out, is just even in
my own sense of like, you know what I'm most
concerned about the shutdown, to me is important for Democrats
(14:51):
to take a stand because the only place they have
power and.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
To try to fight back.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But I would say also the you know, the issue
suite that they picked is really important, very critical healthcare
for people. It's a place where you know, Democrats are
winning the rhetorical battle. People broadly support the expansion on
the ACA subsidies, et cetera. But it also doesn't get
to like the beating heart of what the base cares
about and so I think that's part of it as well.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Definitely, let's put the polling up there, shall we. Let's
just go ahead and skip forward D three guys, please,
and you can see how the government is handling the
shutdown for Trump a thirty two percent approval Representatives, twenty
eight Congressional Democrats. It is twenty seven people.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
People don't like it. They just feel like, Okay, this
is the yea, this is dysfunction.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You know, that's generally how people feel about everybody involved.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Let's go to the next one, shall we and continue
concern about the government shutdown on the economy very concerned
forty nine percent, but everybody else either somewhat or not concerned.
Let's continue, and we can look at this are the
positions worth the government shutdown? Democratic position only twenty eight
percent say worth it. To Republican position only twenty three
percent say worth it. If you look at not worth it,
it's forty and forty five, and then not sure is
(15:58):
basically equally tied thirty percent. Continue, please, basically showing you
by the way that people are not fully on board
in terms of who's to blame for the government shutdown.
You have the plurality, thirty nine percent say Trump and
the Republicans thirty percent of the Democrats thirty one percent
say equally. So there's a lot of like eh either
Trump Democrats both equally going around kind of hatred of
(16:19):
the political system. And then finally let's go to the
last one among Democrats a congressional shutdown quote is it
worth it? Forty forty eight percent say yes, which to me,
that's a huge messaging failure from the Democratic party.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Grade because you know, with your own people it should
be higher.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You need to be in the ninety If if you
had polled Republicans at the height of the twenty thirteen shutdown,
was it worth it? I could guarantee you it would
have been like eighty or ninety.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Oh you think so.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
During that Tea Party wave, the Obama of the hatred,
where everybody was they were ready, They were like, we
are done.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And this is where I do feel like the you know,
what the base wants them to make a stand on
is like National Guard needs to be out of our cities,
like those sorts of the authoritarian crack down pieces. That's
where the energy is with the base of basically like
you can't fund this authoritarian government. And so the healthcare
piece is smart for a like general audience messaging, and
(17:15):
it does put Trump in a bit of a bind
and the Republicans in a bit of a bind because
you know, the fact that healthcare is to get about
to get wildly more expensive is genuinely a bad thing
for them. That's like a really it's like a you know,
red flashing light that is blinking. That is about to
be a major political problem for them. So they do
have some incentive to deal with that and be able
(17:37):
to extend those subsidies and not have those.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Issues for the midterms.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You've got some frontline Republicans who are in swing districts
who feel like, let's just go ahead and you know,
and go ahead and extend these subsidies as well. But
if you're trying to energize your own people and like
have them committed to this and really be on board
and we're like going to the mat and we're not
going to cave, et cetera, it's not really quite it's
not quite.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
The right message.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's very focused to as it's very like what pulls
the best what's our best strategic tactical advantage. I understand it.
And by the way, I'm not saying it's not important.
I'm just saying in terms of where the energy and
the base is, this is not really it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Do we have that tweet about being weak? Do we
have that yeh, which you mentioned?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, maybe I can just talk about it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So they asked people like what words best describe the
two parties, and I think they gave them some choices.
So it wasn't just like free form. They gave them
some choices. So the number one word describing the Democratic
Party at sixty four percent is weak, and the one
word describing the Republican Party at fifty nine percent is extreme.
(18:43):
And so that's kind of I mean, I think that's
how people view these parties. It's like the Democrats are
weak and lifeless, Chuck Schumer, King Jeffreys, not exactly inspiring
any confidence in literally anyone at this point, and then
the Republicans are like off their rockers doing all this
crazy stuff, but they're strong. You know, there's the next
one down for Republicans is strong. So that's yeah, you know,
(19:06):
that's kind of the way that people are viewing this.
And yeah, I mean, I do think that's the biggest problem,
and that's what people don't understand. Not to go too
far afield, but that's what people don't understand about the
appeal of Zoran is that or even like you know,
you brought up Graham Platin earlier, but putting aside like
the content of the policy, there's a sense that these
guys like know what they believe in, They're willing to
(19:28):
take heat over it, They're willing to take a stand,
et cetera. And that is so sorely lacking within the
Democratic Party. I do think that just like a content
free sense of this is a person who has a
strong view of the world and is willing to stand
on a principle is a big part of their appeal.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I need to see it in a more bad That's
why I'm I'm watching Graham much closer than is New
York is a blue city like look, no offense to
the guy. I think he ran a good campaign. Good
for him. I want to see it work in like
an actual polarizing state or you know, a place where
Republicans have won in the past. That's where I'm curious
to see what that brand and all of that will
end up looking like, because that's the ultimate question of
(20:06):
can you actually oppose the National Party on in your
own state and overcome that in the way that the
Tea Party Republicans were, or you're just going to be
looked at as a normal Democrat if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, well that's I mean, that would be their greatest
appeal is just like you're willing to actually stand up
to the Democratic Party and separate yourself from them because
they have a terrible, terrible tale and.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
We shout out Crystal for the core power forty two
gram I freaking love them. Yeah, they are the best.
They're like it is a magic elixir of those whatever
that drink is. Nope, nope, we're not getting paid for this.
I have a case of those in my house. I
freaking love them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So Van Junes on with Bill Maher over the weekend
and decided to make a joke about dead Gaza babies
and his words showing up in everybody's social media feeds.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I love this conversation because I think people, those of
us who went to college, give a lot more credit
to college courses for how the world works than I do.
This is not about critical race theory on cosge campus.
This is about Iran. Iran and Cutter have come up
with a disinformation campaign that they are running through TikTok
and Instagram that is massive. If you are a young person,
(21:17):
you open up your phone and all you see is dead,
Gods of Baby, dead, Gods of Baby dead, Gud's baby Diddy, dead,
Gods of baby.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
That's basically.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So that's not that's not DEI.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
That is a Geoplan liversary. That is that is that
is deliberately trying to divide the West against set.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
There is so much to say about this. First of all,
there's zero evidence that any of this has to do
with an Iranian or Katari disinformation campaign. But these are
the sorts of things that you can just casually throw
around and people just accept it rather than, oh, I
don't know the fact that most Americans are horrified by
the idea of our tax dollars going to murder Gaza babies.
(22:03):
Maybe that's a big part of why people are sharing
that content and are feeling the horror at the morally
compromised position that we as American taxpayers are being put
in here. That's number one. Number two, you got Thomas
Friedman and Bill Maher both their.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Chuckling giggling number four and the audience.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You have the audience, I will say, having been on
the show, they like tell the audience when to laugh.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
But it's non excuse. But I'm not saying what dot
what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
We don't dock them. But guys, you got to think
about that one a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Van felt enough pressure that he did put out this apology,
sort of put this up on the screen. He said,
I made a comment on Real Time with Bill Maher
about the war in Gaza that was insensitive and hurtful.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I apologize. The suffering the people of Gaza, especially the children.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Is not a punchline. I'm deeply sorry it came across
that way.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
No, it was.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You meant it as a punchline. It was supposed to
be a laugh line anyway. What's happening to children in
Gaza is heartbreaking. As a father, I can't begin to
imagine the pain their parents are enduring, unable to protect
their kids from un imaginable harm. I'm praying and working
for immediate and to this war, and for peace and
safety for every family call in its path. I'm truly
sorry for the pain my words caused to people who
are already suffering more than anyone should. So okay, so
(23:12):
he felt pressure to apologize, but he still does not
take back this narrative that the reason why, yeah, you're
seeing atrocities in your feed is because of some foreign misinformation.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Like propaganda, psyop.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And I think it's really important that we sit with
that at a time when you know, it's official now
Barry Weist is.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Going to be editor in chief of CBS.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's got, you know, Oracle, the Ellison's and Fox News
taking over TikTok and already reportedly some censorship that is
occurring there. And we could put the Allison just so
you know what their deal is, put E three up
on the screen. Oracle executives say love Israel, or maybe
this isn't the job for you. They were like sending
people who objected to the companies just all in pro
(24:01):
Israel stance for mental health resources, like there was something
wrong with you if you just didn't agree with that.
So anyway, those are the people who are buying TikTok.
And it would not surprise me if the justification that
they use for increased censorship of pro Palestinian views is
exactly what Van Jones is pushing here.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, I mean, if we're going to be real, real here,
like who's the number one spreader of foreign propaganda on
social media? Be honest, Like, especially in the wake of
October seventh, what I got to go through all the
hoaxes that we have had to drip through over the
last three years.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
That they're paying influencers seven thousand dollars per post.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, I do. I want to see more documentation on
that one because it seems so insane, but I would
not put it past them, right at the very least.
Who do you think if we were to say that
there is foreign influence over American politics? Is there? What
country comes even close to Israel? There's not a single one.
And yet he's like this is some Katari or foreign
(24:59):
dis information op. I don't know. I mean, I just
think this is massive cope on the part of a
lot of the pro Israel community. They just can't fathom
that a lot of people just aren't buying their bullshit anymore. Yeah,
and you know the fact, I guess you're right. You know,
he felt like you had to apologize, And I don't
love what aboutism necessarily, let's say, in October nineteenth, if
(25:20):
you had the balls to go on the Bill mahersh
Show and say everything a time I opened my social
media feed, it's oven baby, oven baby, oven baby? Can
you imagine?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Can you?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And by the way, that, from what we know so far,
was not true? Correct? All right? And according to Haretz
and ask chat ept if you want.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
To, don't buying that particular disabler.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay, but I mean, can you imagine how you canceled
you would be if you said that about it? Which,
by the way, it was true because they spread that
overwhelmingly to the entire American population, to everybody on social media.
It's everybody who engaged in politics, so that they wouldn't
so that they would say thing like, yeah, but what's
happening in Gaza's horrific? But did you see what happened
(26:03):
on October seventh? That's still the line that they use today.
I don't know. So you know, it's like if we're
gonna be if we're gonna be able to laugh and
all of that at everybody, which I'm actually fine with
as long as it's equally distributed. I don't see, I
don't see a world where today you could take to
the Bill Maher airwaves and say what I just said,
like on October to nineteenth, which is crazy because Bill himself.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Bill wouldn't be there chuckling, that's for sure, right, And but.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Bill, this is what's so nuts. Bill himself was canceled
September seventeenth, two thousand and one, for saying that, actually,
we're the cowards because we launched missiles into the Middle East,
and it seems like it's not cowardly to crash a
plane into the twin towers. So he said that once
upon a time, and yet now his show seems to
be part of the same machine.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
There's something to be said to about Van's journey. Let's say,
I mean this guy, yes, this guy was.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
One hundred mill from Bezos spies a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
They are a Maoist radical signed some sort of nine
to eleven Truther type conspiracy letter was alleged to kick
down of the Obama administration because he was too extreme
and now like and by the way, specifically on Israel Palestine,
called for Palestinian liberation I believe called it an apartheid.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I mean, he was wow in the like to go
from apart tip left.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
The lefty position.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He had some I don't know, I saw some people
sharing in some like like Liberation rap album or something
where he was talking about Palestine. I mean he was
on the left, like truly on the left. And then
you know, then he's in Obama World. Then he's on
CNN and he's getting a hundred million from Jeff Bezos
and he appeared at that like pro Israel marche early on.
(27:46):
Yeah exactly, and it's like, bro, I just I don't know.
I don't, Well, the whole world is going the opposite direction.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, the whole world.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
How many people, you know, including Emily's talked about this,
how many people have had their eyes open to like
what this state is and what it's doing and their
lives and their propaganda, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
And you're going in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't count myself in that, Gud.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I didn't hate Israel before this.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I like heut myself in that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I you know, I had the critica, you know, apartheid,
all of that, but in terms of like just how
sick it was, I did not.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I did not understand.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I was not I was totally I was genuinely neutral.
I didn't care. I didn't support military eight or any
of that. I don't know to sport military to most places.
But yeah, to see it now, I'm like, oh my god.
So congratulations to Barry Weisse with all that new editor
chief over at CBS. By the way she sent out
we'll probably talk about this tomorrow, but she sent out
a letter of ten journalistic principles, and the first one
(28:40):
is journalism that reports on the world as it actually is.
So that's number one, all right, got it? So well,
preview a little show maybe what we'll talk about tomorrow.
All right, thank you guys so much for watching. Sorry
we went over time, but that's what we do here.
We'll see you tomorrow.
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