11/11/25: Dems Wave White Flag For Trump, Trump Blames Biden For High Costs, Maxwell Sweet Life In Club Fed

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Speaker 2 (02:15):
Let's get to the Dems and what's going on with them.
So Chuck Schumer, obviously and I think appropriately, taking a
lot of heat for being leader while manufacturing this shutdown.
Now he put out I'm sure this leak came from
his camp yesterday about how he was really opposed to
the cave and that he was behind the scenes working
to push these senators who ultimately cave to hold out

(02:38):
for longer. Of course, if that is true, which I'm
very doubtful of, that just means that you're extraordinarily weak. However,
Gene Shaheen, who was the lead negotiator of the deal
to end the shutdown, she said, no, we were in
touch with leadership throughout, basically backing up some of the
reporting that was coming out of the American Prospect and
other places.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Let's go ahead and take list to what she said.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Senator Choke Schumi, your leader on the setate, said that
cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address healthcare.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
I am voting.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
No, did you do this outside leadership? And was there
a big push for you not to join the others
and break the sixty threshold?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
We kept leadership informed throughout.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Kept leadership inform throughout. Was there a big push to
get you to not go alone?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, we were, you know, talking to leadership. And of course,
I mean we talked to Rocott about this yesterday. He
said basically like, do you think we're stupid? Of course,
Chuck Schumer was involved in this, and you can see
it even in the strategy of which senators went along
with the shutdown deal. They were none of them are
up for reelection. They know this is politically toxic for
their for their own base. So it's all people who

(03:41):
are either retiring or not up until at least twenty
twenty eight. And so you know, your two options here
are either Chuck Schumer was sort of like tacibly good
with this or affirmatively pushing it, or so weak that
he couldn't hold his caucus together. Either scenario not a
great look for him.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
One of the things the inside reporting has come out
is that Chuck Schumer hold this whole so called gang
of Democrats like moderates in his office sometime in October
about a month or maybe like three or so weeks ago,
and he was like, look, just at least hold out
until November first. And this actually fits with a lot
of the stuff that we reported throughout. They're going to
wait until November first for open enrollment, they were going

(04:17):
to get their news cycles about premiums go up.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
And he was like, Okay, if you guys cave after that,
so be it, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
And allegedly he said that he wouldn't stop the deal,
but of course, you know, like if he wanted to,
he absolutely could have. I think the complicating factor in
this is that what changed was the twenty twenty five
election day, and it was very clear, you know, how
much energy a lot of the Democrats had it was
to blowout.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I mean, to cover that.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
One statistic that eighteen out of eighteen whether it would
have been a good night for Democrats, and that actually
genuinely would have shifted the calculus if you are Chuck Schumer.
I do think, and more and more that I've sat
with it, I think that the Thanksgiving travel ended up
being the deciding factor because Snap was already on the ropes.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
But you know, I don't think they actually cared.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I think a lot of them and this is one
of the things that Trump did is apparently the administration
specifically target our airport here, Reagan National. They're making travel
hell for a lot of the congressmen and the senators
who are flying in and out of DC.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
And I mean, if you think about who are the
people who fly.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
A lot, it's like upper middle class, mostly liberals, especially
at this time, people who were higher income. So I
mean all signs and this is not just me, but
including some reporting out there, the Thanksgiving travel things seem
to be one of the major pushes for a lot
of these you know, so called moderate Democrats, which kind
of interesting actually in terms of why they decided to fold.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's not just their own inconvenience and you know, the
people who are like their primary supporters and all of that.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's also the airline industry gives right.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, I talked about that bailouts. You know, if they
went through that, they would have had to get bailed out.
It would have been really bad, exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I'm sure airline lobbyists were blowing up their phones and
others as well. And then, But I actually think another
key part was the threat from Trump to nuke the filibuster. Now,
to me, that would have been a superior end where
you're like, you stay strong, you go to the map,
and you force the Republicans to knoke the philibuster, something
they don't really want to do because they like. These

(06:05):
lame Democrats like having the excuse of the filibuster because
that gives them a reason, a good excuse for why
they can't actually deliver. These are the I mean, the
filibuster is the best friend of the lame corporate Democrat
who really wants to serve their donors but wants to
posture like they care about serving the American people, and
so they can always strove up their hands.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Oh the filibuster.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's so hard, we'll never get sixty votes, we could
ever do anything, et cetera. So I actually think that
the potential threat of getting rid of the filibuster was
another piece that really pushed them across you know, the
I guess the finish line or whatever, the cave line,
the pathetic.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Line, the loser line.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I mean, these are also people who wanted to cave
from the beginning, so they were looking for any possible excuse,
any possible off ramp that.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
They could potentially take.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Just to underscore what a group of like pathetic losers.
This is Angus King, who is technically an independent of Maine,
went on Morning Joe to justify his vote. And by
the way, guys, I was watching some MSNBC yesterday there
across the board I rate. I mean, it really is
like the level of backlash in the Democratic base is
quite astounding, including the Joe Scarborough's of the world, including

(07:12):
the Rachel Meadows of the world, who is seldom critical
of the Democratic Party. But any case, Angus King said
this extraordinary thing to Joe Scarborough, which is that quote
standing up to Trump didn't work.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
Well, Joe, you have to go back to what the
strategy was at the beginning of the shutdown. There were
two goals, both of which I support. One was standing
up to Donald Trump. The other was getting some resolution
on the ACA premium tax credit issue. The problem was
the shutdown wasn't accomplishing either goals, and there was practically well,
it was zero likelihood that it was going to In

(07:45):
terms of standing up to Donald Trump, the shutdown actually
gave him more power, exhibit A being what he's done
with Snap and Snap benefits across the country. Oh, by
the way, Joe, you're going to love this. Guess who's
getting paid during the shutdown. Not the park rangers or

(08:05):
air traffic controllers, the ice agents under special law, under
that big awful bill that they passed last summer. The
ice agents are being paid. Nobody else is. So standing
up to Donald Trump didn't work. It actually gave him more.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Power standing up to Donald Trump. It didn't work.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Like literally, resign, I mean seriously, like if you want
to be in the opposition party and actually fight, which
is what your own voters are demanding you do, and
your view is that standing up to Trump doesn't work,
like genuinely, you should step aside and let someone else
in who has a different idea, a different conception of power,
because this is utterly pathetic and.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's not even true.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Sober like Trump was freaking out after this election, like
screaming at people that the government needed to be reopened.
The pressure was all on the Republicans. They were owning
this shut to all the chaos at the airports and
whatever that was filling squarely at their feet. So in fact,
it was working, and I think as a client made
a great point in his piece, which was also decrying

(09:07):
this pathetic deal that they struck, saying, listen, the thing
Trump is going to take from this is that they
will always cave, like all you have to do is
threaten them, bully them, hold out a little bit, and
you're going.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
To get your way.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
We always suspected that would be the case with the
Democrats that had a chance to push it, you know,
to prove everyone wrong this time, but instead, once again
they demonstrated their habitual weakness and that even when they
hold all the cards, even when there's just been this
national reckoning, that sent as clear a message as possible
that you know, people are rejecting the Trump administration and

(09:41):
they are behind you in this strategy, that that's the
moment you choose to cave is beyond pathetic.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's absolutely pathetic.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Especially I mean, yeah, the election demonstrated that Republicans are
under enthused and Democrats are turning on to vote, Like,
what else do you possibly need? You're like, yeah, people
are behind you to actually in terms of your strategy now,
in terms terms of how it all plays out, what
we saw with ak first of all, with Angus Can
is not even sharp up there, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
You barely get a sentence out like bother the way,
get out of here.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
This is why you know people get mad at me
about targeting old people. Sorry all right, Like you know,
you can't be having these people up there at the
top for decades.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
This is what.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Happens that I'm not going to continue to go down
that road. But the point that demonstrates is how weak
they are. And I made this point yesterday where I
actually think a lot of people should be really mad.
I mean, they miserated tens of millions of people, clearly
millions of people. Do you know how many people? Yeah,
I mean I told you that story. I was at

(10:38):
the grocery store and this lady is, like, you know,
going through a wallet. She's talking about being furloughed because
they asked, hey, can you donate to the food bank.
She's like, I need a donation because I'm furloughed. I
can barely afford these groceries. You know, the food banks
around here are going crazy. I know so many people
who are from You screwed them.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
You got the same deal.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
You melted down air travel billions of people had to do.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
You know. Look, you know I don't cry for the
consultant business class, but it's not nothing. You know, sometimes
people have to fly home for funerals or for weddings. Yeah,
you know, I've seen people. I've seen brides get stuck
during cancelation. So it's horrible, all right, So like, you
can't be doing this to people when you were gonna
You took the same deal which was on the table
three weeks ago. And by the way, my insurance is
still high and so it was yours, right, so it's

(11:21):
like nothing.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Changedly got nothing. No, I was.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I was at the Why with my with my son,
and there's a lady at the counter who was like,
you know, I have to cancel my membership.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Can I get last month back on furloughed.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's like, yeah, I mean, you screwed with people's lives
and for what For the same thing you could have
gotten on day one. I mean, it really is. It's enraging. Yeah,
and I know we're not the only ones who feel
that way. I mean, I genuinely think like there was
already a lot of like dempty party energy, a lot
of takes out there that are like, that's it. Graham
Plattner will be the next enitor for me, Like those

(11:55):
types of candidates who demonstrate that they are actually committed
to a and are willing to say Chuck Schumer is out.
There is no way in hell I'm voting for Chuck
Schumer as leader.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Again.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Those are the type of candidates who are going to
succeed if Chuck Schumer is behind you, which he is
behind Janet Mills, he is behind Hailey Stevens. There are
other candidates, you know, other sort of like centricty candidates
that he is backing, whether publicly or more surreptitiously, Like
that is a mark of shame for those candidates, and
it is people are going to look at that negatively

(12:26):
in a Democratic primary and vote for their opponents simply
because they are disgusted, they feel betrayed, they're horrified by
this continued demonstrated weakness coming from the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
And lo and behold, you know the.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
One thing they supposedly got which again had been on
the table from the beginning, is a vote sometime in
December on the ACA subsidies. Well, it's a vote in
the Senate. There's no guarantees that the House is even
going to take it up. And Mike Johnson yesterday confirmed
what all of us, you know, with three brain cells,
could see, which is that they're not going to take
it up. He says, you know, no, I'm not going

(13:01):
to commit to a vote in the House on this stuff.
Let's take a listen to that.

Speaker 8 (13:04):
We'd like to bring back to the table because that
will actually solve the problem and not just subsidize insurance.

Speaker 9 (13:09):
So you're not committing to bringing up a bill that
deals with the Obamacare subsidies before they expire.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
I'm not committing to it or not committing to it.
What I'm saying is that we do it delivered a process.
That's the way this always works, and we have to
have time to do that, and we will in a
bipartisan fashion.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Sounds like something Trump would say, I'm not committing to itting.
I mean, they're not going to vote on it because
he doesn't want to put his people on the record
if he doesn't have to. Because it'd being popular to
vote against this, but they also don't actually want to
pass the subsidies. So this is all thoroughly, completely predictable.
And you know, speaking of the backlash and how widespread,
I mentioned Ezra Cline, like Jonathan Hye near Tan, like

(13:46):
a really ideologically broad spectrum of liberals and lefties who
are furious at the Democratic Party right now. There are
a few exceptions, but they are pretty lonely voices at
this point. Yesterday, the ladies of the view or taking
the Democratic Party to task as well, Let's go ahead
and take a listen a little of that.

Speaker 10 (14:03):
I want an opposition party. I think the Democrats caved.

Speaker 11 (14:07):
I think the Democrats let down the American people, and
like you will be, I have absolutely no faith that
the Republican Party will come to the negotiating table in
good faith. You know, you do something like this, shame
on you the first time. You do it, twice, three times,
four times, Shame on me, Shame on the Democrats. We're

(14:29):
even believing that the Republicans will you know.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Even vote on it.

Speaker 10 (14:35):
There's no guarantee in this new deal that there's going
to be a vote.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
There's no even commitment to have a vote.

Speaker 10 (14:42):
So the bottom line is the Democrats went into this
after a blue wave out of the American people saying
we do want the opposition, We the working people want
the Democratic Party to fight for them, and now they
just caved and surrendered.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I think Chuck Schumer his days are over.

Speaker 12 (15:00):
I can not put that.

Speaker 10 (15:01):
If he cannot keep his pockets together, if he cannot
keep this quocket together, he needs to go.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Number of Democrats in the House at least have come
out and called for Chuck Schumer to go. Rashida to
Lee being one of those voices. Obviously, we talked to
Rokana yesterday who was the first of those voices, So
kudos to him for showing some leadership there.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
I could put a five up on the screen.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I think there's roughly eight Democratic members of the House
who have come out and said that Schumer needs to go. Unfortunately,
not a single Senator, including Bernie Sanders, was asked about
it yesterday. He expressed, you know, his differences of opinion
with Chuck Schumer, but refused to call for him to
step aside from leadership, So very disappointing that there's no
senators Democratic senators who were willing to listen to their

(15:43):
own voters about the direction that the party should go in,
and you know, allowing it to continue to be led
by a guy who can't even say whether or not
he voted for the Democratic nominee in New York City
is pretty pathetic. At the same time, it's put a
six up on the screen. Apparently internally, you know, ton
of recrimination that's complete. Yes, demsgoballistic over Senate shutdown deal.

(16:04):
You had move on come out as well and say
Schumer should resign. This is about these internal like dem
party text message chains where people were just losing it
over this, you know, this deal. We can put next
one up on the screen, a seven. It's being called
complete betrayal. This is about the twenty twenty six Democrats
who were all uniformly slamming the shutdown deal. And as

(16:28):
we mentioned before, the most vulnerable senators, people like John
Ossoff who are up this year, they voted against the
deal because the politics of voting for this thing are
trash and so even you know, they had Roy Cooper
was the candidate that you see there, who's moderate governor
of North Carolina. He's certainly no lefty, even he was

(16:48):
critical of this deal. In Maine, you had both Graham
Platner and Janam Melts who were critical of it. All
three of the main the Senate candidates in the Michigan
Democratic primary were critical of it. And someone even further,
Let's go ahead and listen to Graham Platner put out
video again calling for Schumer to resign.

Speaker 13 (17:08):
Let's listen to that this happened because Chuck Schumer failed
in his job yet again, because they do not understand
that when we fight, we win. When we hold the
line for working families, for working people, we win. But
they don't get this. They see all of this as

(17:28):
a game. These are just numbers on a sheet of paper,
not people's lives. We need to elect leaders that want
to fight. We need to elect leaders that care about people,
that care about the actual outcomes of policies. Call your
congress people, Call your senators and tell them that Chuck
Schumer can no longer be leaders. Call your congressmen and

(17:52):
tell them that they cannot vote for this when it
comes to them on Wednesday. We need to fight back,
but sadly, until we elect more Democrats that understand that
fighting is what we need to do. We're going to
find ourselves in this position over and over and over.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Look.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think this is going to be a litmus tess
for the a bunch of Senate candidates this year. And
you know, this will be fuel on the fire of
that anti establishment Democratic Party base backlash.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Long overdue by the way, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
But you know, the level of discuss they already had
with Democratic leadership is going to be just like, you know,
multiplied by tenfold by this betrayal. And they haven't forgotten
the fact that in the first opportunity to use their
leverage and force a shut down that they just didn't
even bother. They haven't forgotten about the fact that, you know,
they've just seemed to be weakning empathetic all the way along.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
And then you get.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
One thing finally, Okay, they're going to fight a little bit,
and then instantly, you know, cave at a time when
the Democratic Party is riding high, when they should be
feeling a lot of momentum and sense of you know, okay,
we're doing something, We're fighting. People see that we're going
to move into the mid rooms were well positioned. Instead,
you've just sucked all the wind down of the sales
of the party after what was, you know, monumental victories.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I definitely have.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
I do wonder though, if it actually helps a lot
of these candidates because they can run against the party establishment.
That was part of what made the Tea Party actually successful,
as they weren't running as Republicans. They were running against
the Republican and the Democratic establishment. Yeah, which is what
people were mad about. So I actually would be happy
if I were a Plattner because he's already said he
doesn't support Schumer.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So it's like it's.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Definitely so it definitely benefits them politically.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I actually think the insurgent candidates this is a good thing.
I do think. One of the things, though, that this
did demonstrate is how ill conceived. I think the shutdown
was from the Democratic side in the first place, because,
as you and I discussed, like, it wasn't really about healthcare, right, Like,
that's not what most people were up in arms about.
At the end of the day, only seven percent of

(19:50):
people are even affected by Obamacare premiums. It's just not
that many people, like in the grand scheme of things,
that's not the ultimate problem with health insurance. You know,
health insurance is number one problem is costs. People were
mad about Trump for a whole host of reasons. I think,
you know, healthcare premium was like number fifty. They decided
to kind of make that a lynch pin, and to
their credit, where we're sitting here talking about it, so

(20:12):
it definitely kind of worked, but you.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Know, definitely reframe the conversation.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
It reframed the conversation by healthcare.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But you know, if you read the centrist arguments, they're like,
can you anyone point to me how the shutdown would
have worked out better? And I was like, you know,
the one thing they have going for them is it
because they put their whole strategy just on healthcare. They
didn't really have like a fulsome nature of ass And
this is on Schumer and on leadership too, and this
kind of gets to where the platiners and others like,
when they come into office, you also have to professionalize
what it is you're asking for, right, So I mean,

(20:39):
by the way, I also think that many of the
ass and the so called whims were lame as hell,
like they were like, oh, no, more riffs, you know,
like government employees like I'm sorry, Like nobody gives a
shit about government employees.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Getting fired like no.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
One yes healthcare, Like I just said, it's only seven
percent of people were on the Obamacare exchanges. Most of
them are elderly or small business owners, like you're myself,
not exactly them, you know, of tender demographic. Politically, they
needed something real and maybe something not even necessarily attainable,
but stuff that actually got to the heart of what
people are very upset about with Trump. But I mean,

(21:12):
this is part of the failure you and I have
talked about, like with Venezuela, right, Like if I were
designing something, I'd be like, no invasion of Venezuela. Right,
that's in part of the deal. If I were a Democrat,
what are people most upset about? Ice and stuff like that?
I'll put some riders in there and be like, we're
not signing shit until there is some actual agreement here
on behavior of ice or border patrol, like the stuff

(21:33):
that people are really mad about. This is where I
think the Republicans did a better job in some of
their shutdowns, where they got to the heart of what
people were pissed about, Like it became a line twenty thirteen,
the big shutdown, it was over DACA, Like that was
it immigration was the number one issue, remember Bayiner suing
Obama and court about like that was what the entire

(21:53):
thing was about, and it gave people a real reason
to fight. It's also why the Cave wasn't really as
much as a case as this one. So this is really,
I think an indictment of the Democratic establishment for trying
to pick a poll tested thing to fight on and
not coming to terms with like what are we mad
about at the Trump administration? And this gets you know,
establishment failure too, and even the heart really of it,

(22:16):
Like at the end of the day, these people are
fighting to subsidize insurance companies. This is why I can't
get past with acaight premiums, Like, look, you know, my
in law's insurance went eighteen hundred and.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Forty two hundred. That's horrible as devastating, but you know
eighteen hundred was also a shitload of money.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
And the money's coming from US paying health insurance companies
who will continue to jack up prices. That's you know,
I don't know, I can't really get past that. I
guess like they need they needed something concrete. What's the
base Matt about put those five things down on a list.
We all come together, we least kind of agree on
some of them. We got to get three out of
five before we do anything.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I think the base just wanted to see them fight. Yeah,
you know, I don't think they cared that much about
the details. I just think they wanted to see Trump
get punched in the nose, which he was last week
in the elections for sure.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
And then it's after that.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's the moment when in spite of the fact you
got literally nothing in terms of a concession, that's the
moment that you're going to decide to cave. I mean,
I think that's the part people just cannot get past.
And so you know, I have been saying this from
the beginning too. If like, you know, what's really animating
the Democratic base is a lot of Trump's just like
you know, insane authoritarian overreach, the masked agents in the streets,

(23:24):
the National Guard deployments, those sorts of things. That really
gets the core of what the base is concerned about.
Leadership has been very squeamish about pushing back on any
of that.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
You know, they've always.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
From the beginning, Oh, this is a you know, the
Epstein files is a distraction. Oh, talking about kill mar
a breo Garcia is a distraction. Talking about National Guard
in the streets is a distraction. We need to just
talk about egg prices and that's it and nothing else.
And you know, the few I think that strategy has
proven incorrect, and I think that the you know, the
American people have been pretty horrified by a lot of

(23:57):
the abuses that they have seen, and these things, you know,
they go together. You don't have to only talk about
the economy or only talk about the abuses. You can
talk about the way that Trump has basically seized the
power of a king. That's why the No King's protests
were so you know, so appealing to people and made
a lot of sense to people that he's favoring the
oligarchs over you know, ordinary people. He's sending these thugs

(24:19):
in to abuse ordinary American citizens. Meanwhile, you know, he's
denying you food stamp benefits and giving out taxes cuts
to the rich, et cetera. There is a coherent message there,
but democratic leadership is very afraid of talking about anything
that has to do with like, you know, that touches
on crime whatsoever, that touches on immigration whatsoever. And so
they've been very squeamish about that, so instead they picked

(24:41):
this issue of the healthcare subsidies that they felt like
would be a good wedge, and in a.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Sense it was.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, Republicans realize it's going to be a problem
for them when everybody's healthcare premium skyrocket and they're stuck
holding the bag. That is still the case, and the
you know people I've seen online the like ten millers
of the world from the Bulwarker making the case that
actually Democrats won this fight, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
That's what they're pointing to.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's basically like, look, they raise the salience of the
issue of healthcare. It's very good issue for Democrats. They
did fantastic in the elections in part because of the
shutdown strategy. Republicans are going to be on the record
and have to own completely now and everyone will know
that they own the fact that healthcare premiums are skyrocketing,
and there is something to that, Like, I don't think

(25:26):
that it's that like Democrats politically did achieve some things
out of this strategy, But Matt Stiller was making this
point that you know, I think is similar to what
you're saying of effectively, you know, the real issue with
the shutdown strategy is that the Democratic Party apparatus doesn't
really know what it wants. They were never really on

(25:46):
the same page about like, Okay, what does victory look
like in this what is the resolution that we're actually
aiming for here? How we're going to effectuate that outcome?
And since they were sort of muddled and confused and
on different pages, you know, different people had different goals
in the show down, That's how it becomes easy to
peel off these you know, eight lame corportus Democrats to
get them ultimately to cave. So, you know, I think

(26:09):
the party is really in a it's in a transitional
place right now. Right there is a true battle going
on between the Schumer Hakeem Jeffrey's way of doing business
that has been you know, rock solid in the Democratic
Party for years and years, and these new insurgents and
the new insurgents definitely have the energy of the base

(26:29):
of the party, you know, Zoron Mumdani being emblematic of that,
Graham being emblematic of that.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Up in Maine.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You've got a very close three way race now in
Michigan right now between Abdul Sayad and Malari McMorrow, who's
kind of like, you know, progressive ish but a little
bit more mainstream. And then Haley Stevens, who's the pick
of Chuck Schumer, who's just like, you know, totally normal
establishment type of dem So you you have a battle
going on right now within the Democratic Party, and I

(26:56):
don't think that they're going to be able to really
solidify any sort of clear agenda to until you get
to like twenty twenty eight and you have the sound
and a Democratic primary and you have a new leader
and someone who has some sort of democratic legitimacy. One
last point, let me put this up on the screen.
We looked at some of these word clouds yesterday. This
is a eight, just to underscore how the strategy really

(27:18):
was putting pressure on the Republicans and very politically damaging
for them right before the cave. So you know, if
you go back to October ninth through thirteenth, you see
you ask people, Okay, what negative things have you heard
recently about Trump?

Speaker 4 (27:30):
It's all about shut down and government and tariffs.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
The next week they ask again, still shut down government, tariffs.
The following week it's ballroom, White House, East Wig destroying.
And then November onee through third, you know, leading into
the elections, it's shut down, food stamps, snap government. So
you know, the democratic messaging for the first time, really

(27:54):
I think was was breaking through.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
You know, these were the messages that I don't think.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Wanted to reality.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
There's forty two million people who are on food stands.
That's just a shitload of people. Like, you know, think
about it, that's more people than work for the federal government.
Where you sat here and talked about people who were furloughed,
that's only two million people. This is forty two million,
literally twenty one dimes the number. What is that one
seventh of the entire United States? Like I was, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I was looking at some pooling of from you Gov,
and one of the questions was just like are you
on food stamps or someone in your family? And for
people under fifty k it was fifty percent. Yeah, So
the people who either you know themselves were on food
stamps or someone in their families, so they're taking like
a direct hit. They're seeing personally what an impact it is.
So but in any case, you know, that's that's where

(28:42):
things stood when they decided like, let's just take a
deal that gives us literally nothing.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, you know, just thinking about it again broadly, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I think one thing that is the problem in this
fight with the split over who the party is is
you can overread too, you know, one of the things,
like the Centrists are totally convinced that they have won
because of the span Burger and Chryl victories. Yeah, the
Mamdani people like yourself are also totally convinced that they've won.

(29:11):
And I don't think it really either a correct I mean,
you know, yes, you won some and then others want
others and neither vision has dominated at a national level
for like who the party is right, and both are
like pretending that the other side doesn't well, actually the
Centrists are more pretending the left part doesn't exist. Bootaj
Edge not congratulating Mamdani insane, Like literally insane. I'm like, dude,

(29:31):
like what it's a democrat Like, why can't you just
be like congratulations. I actually don't understand it or even
remotely where it comes from.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Kind of more of a secondary point.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
But what you risk in the interim couple of years, though,
is you don't really have a national brand of resistance
or a vision for alternative and that's how you lose,
you know, even when you, let's say, have the shutdown
fold like you know, in some ways, like a lot
of Republicans can point to that and be like, look,
Trump was an effective leader against the Democrats whenever they.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Were all up.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I mean, by the way, even in the elections. Yes,
I think the Democrats did very well. We're still talking
about off your twenty twenty five election. The idea is
some national referendums ridiculous, like the vast majority people didn't
even vote, and in mid terms is going to be
much more voters, still a much lower turnout election than
what eventually comes in twenty twenty eight. I've been thinking,
I really think a lot of this is a victim

(30:23):
of no primary after Biden. You know, it really is
shocking to think how the Democrats have not been able
to hash out their differences since twenty twenty and even
that was kind of a rigged primary with COVID and
with Obama coming in. So the last time there was
like a real fight it was twenty sixteen. So just
watching how this all plays out, the cognitive distance between

(30:44):
the two sides, I think that's the biggest consequence, and
it does show you the ratifying and healing nature of democracy.
Like one reason why Trump is lockstep is because he won,
like he won multiple times twenty sixteen, he won the
primary in twenty twenty four, and he got the popular
vote like no republic cann incredibly stand up, But actually
my side is correct, right, you have to defer to

(31:04):
the leader. This rudderlessness, I think is really a real
problem for them, and it also shows I think some
of their risks going forward because they don't have the
answers to the reconcilable questions inside of their coalition, and
both sides can be like, well, no, see our guy
one in New York and people in Virginia are like,
well we want in Virginia. You know, we're not the same.
Like this stuff needs to get hashed out at the
national level.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
But I would say, like, I still think that even
if with the Democrats being like lame and week and sucking,
well they were lame and weak and sucking going into
these off your elections and they romped I mean it
was maybe not a nationwide referendum just because of it
being an off your election, but literally every race went
Democrats will literally ever, regardless of the state. You know,

(31:46):
Supreme Court races in Pennsylvania, propos Engine fifty in California, Virginia,
New Jersey, Georgia, Mississippi, like across the freaking board. And
so I think that probably the cake is baked for,
you know, a back life election in twenty twenty six,
even with the Democrats being like lame and not offering
any kind of a vision.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
But you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean, this is what is being hashed out right now,
and it's going to be hashed down in these primaries
to come. I think you're already seeing it. And so
to me, probably the biggest political legacy of this shutdown
fight is just further enraging the Democratic base and radicalizing
them against their own leadership. There's already been.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
A lot of that.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
This I think is just fuel on the fire. And
you know, to your point, like the grand Platters of
the world, the Abdula science of the world, like the
more renegade outsider candidates, this is going to anure to
their benefit. So, you know, for the corporatist Democrats who
caved thinking that this, you know, benefits their political worldview,
I think they have only further alienated their own voters

(32:53):
from the brand of politics that they espouse.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, I absolutely think that's correct, and I don't disagree
on twenty twenty seve that's not real.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I was more to really talking about twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Eight because there's no credible like we won at a
national level. That's what really, you know, that's Trump shut
everybody up in twenty twenty four, not with the primary,
but with the election. We're like, it's over. Okay, it's maga,
like it's period, it's done. Right, won the popular vote,
There's no more it, fans or butts. Obama did the
same with Hillary. He crushed her in the primary.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
It was just done.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Like you can't really argue about it anymore. Hillary, I mean,
in some ways kind of did it to Bernie in
twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
At the end of the day, you know, she did win.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I don't think she did a very good job, and
she didn't bring those people in, so a lot of
them didn't come out to vote. But this just really
shows me the power of actual democratic politics. And this
that's a bigger indictment of the establishment, not just about
the shutdown, but like going back in the fact they've
never really been battle tested, you know, over these last
eight years.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think it's a real issue. Let's get to Trump,
shall we.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Who is this man inspiring so many of these, in
my opinion, shit libs in their own victories, even despite
the fact that again in my opinion, some of the
lamest people literally on the planet. How does a Mikey
Cheryl win by ten points in New Jersey? How is
this even possible?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Thirty point?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Don't even get me started in a state that you
got won by five sorry, lost by five points.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Just a year ago, literally a year ago.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Well, this is how Trump is now floating some new
proposals which his own administration says are totally fake. Many
of them are flailing in response to affordability, which will
remind you he also recently called a con job an interview,
and including floating the.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
So called fifty year mortgage, which we have a little
bit more of.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
But now in an attempt to try and defend the
tariff policy, and the tariff policy, of course, which is
under fire at the United States Supreme Court, seems very
likely to get shut down, he's floating something called a
tariff dividend of two thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 14 (34:56):
Will there be bringing him down? Without tariffs, we would
be this country would be in such trouble as they
were for many years. That's why we owe thirty eight
trillion dollars. And one of the things we're going to do,
we're going to issue a dividend to our middle income
people and lower income people of about two thousand dollars.
And we're going to use the remaining tariffs to lower

(35:16):
a dish.

Speaker 12 (35:17):
For the last several months, eggs, gas, a dinner cost
for Thanksgiving way down. But other things that you noted
have gone up, beef, coffee. Is this a voter perception
issue of the economy or is there more that needs
to be done by Republicans on Capitol Hill or done
in terms of policy.

Speaker 15 (35:37):
More than anything else, it's a coonjeb by the Democrats.
They're saying they just have to say, you know, they
put out something say today, crosser up. They feed it
to the anchors of ABC, CBS and NBC and a
lot of other you know, CNN.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
It's a con job if you're I mean, the Biden
vibes here are just so strong. It's like every single time,
what did Biden say, he said Republicans are lying about inflation,
they're lying about grocery prices, They're lying about this.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
They would do similar things.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
They would float some bone dead or you know, idiot policy,
same thing like the tariffic and which again we all
know it's not going to happen. They don't have the
Ulano authority to just cut you a two thousand dollars check.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
If they did, every president would.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Do it, right, not everyone, but a lot of them
would have done it, or they would have tried to
do it in the past.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, you need Congress.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Oh, Congress is going to do a two thousand dollars
dividend check.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
No, it's not happening.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
And so they're flailing, completely flailing about here. And you
know this is where I think maga. It has a sickness.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I just talked about how Trump won popular vote and
so he took over the Republican Party. But part of
the sickness is nobody can speak out about an obvious
drubbing in the election because all Trump has to say
is it was a shutdown and I wasn't on the ballot.
It's like, yeah, true, dude, but you're never going to
be on the ballot again. Okay, so all the other
people who still have to have a career in politics

(36:53):
need some flexibility and freedom. Well what happens you have
one Republican literally once who's caught talking about costs of
living Marjorie Taylor Green, and now he's attacking her. I'm
not going to go too much into it because you
guys are going to cover it tomorrow and it really
is kind of a separate conversation.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
But think about it, Like, in terms of maga media,
there is.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Nobody out there at a prominent maga level from Fox News,
Ben Shapiro, the Blaze.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I mean, who else am I thinking of?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Who can honestly admit that shit is bad right now
economically for a lot of people, there's just not that
many of them. They stay silent and then they'll do
their show on some woke left you know what I'm saying.
It's like, guys, this is so boring at this point,
like your shit is over, and so after an election
like this, they need to come down and just be

(37:42):
like this is a huge problem, Like this is a
massive signal boost people are pissed about affordability.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
We need to come up with a.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Set of issues. We're already probably going to lose in
the midterm elections. If we have any chance of building
on some sort of legacy of twenty twenty four, you
got to win back some of these voters. Let's look
at the crosstab and say, hey, what went wrong?

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Where?

Speaker 1 (38:02):
What can we fix?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
No Republicans capable of saying that nationally, and it's because
of Trucka's trumpill attacked them from the national puppet. He said, Marjorie, Oh,
she's lost her way. Marjorie's lost her way. But Lindsay
Graham has it? Who were doing fundraising for Okay, Okay,
I mean yeah, I mean that. Listen, what's the signal.
The signal is if he kiss his ass, no matter what,
even though you were in an ideological opponent, whatever, doesn't matter,

(38:24):
as long as your fealty to him personally.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
That's the only thing that you're allowed to do.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
You're not allowed to speak up about the issues that
you see that are out there, even you know, Tucker, look,
you know a lot of the wars over Israel, Frankly,
a lot of the war also though, is over you know,
he did that episode with Charlie Kirk, right, right, around
the time a couple of weeks before Charlie died.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
The whole episode by Charlie.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Was about economics and young people, and he said, young
people are feeling hopeless affordability.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
A lot of it was about Zoron.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Actually, you should go back and watch it if you're interested,
because frankly that those were two of the only people
in the entire apparatus who were even willing to talk
like that without sounding like, you know, that they were
Democrats or something. And that's that's what I see out
in the landscape right now. It's truly a sickness in
the party and in Magamedia, Megamedia even more so because
this party is very downstream of a lot of internet

(39:13):
posters and podcast people, and they had just they have
their heads so far.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Up their ass. Yeah, whenever it comes to these issues,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
There's two lanes.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
So this is something Emily has mentioned before of part
of the appeal of Niquentas is that there is really
there are very few venues for Trump criticism that aren't
like liberal or leftists.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
That's very true.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
And so you know, you've got these a number of dynamics,
but one of them being that most of Megamedia is
just grotesquely sycathantic in a like pathetic and embarrassing boomer
cringe kind of a way. And so you know, if
the only guy, one of the only guys who's saying
critical things from the right also happens to be a

(39:54):
neo Nazi, and then, by the way, you also have
this whole censorship regime of like if you say anything
against Israel and you're literally an anti semi. That's part
of what is fueling the rise of Nick Fuentes within
the Republican Party and why he is such a potent
force with young men in the party in particular.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
But Sagar, you're selling our dear leader short.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
He does have some really important ideas for how to
deal with things like housing affordability. Yesterday we mentioned his
brilliant genius idea for a fifty year mortgage loan. Even
Laura Ingram was not really buying this one. Let's take
a listen to that.

Speaker 12 (40:30):
Your housing director has proposed something that has enraged your
MAGA friends, which is this fifty year mortgage idea, so
a significant MAGA backlash, calling it a giveaway to the
banks and simply prolonging the time it would take for
Americans to own a home outright?

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Is that really a good idea?

Speaker 15 (40:49):
It's not even a big deal. I mean, you know,
you go from forty to fifty years and whatever is
is you pay, you pay something less from thirty that
Some people had a forty and then they have a fifth.
All it means is you pay less per month, you
paid over a longer period of time. It's not like
a big factor. It might help a little bit, But
the problem was that Biden did this. He increased the

(41:10):
interest rates and I have a lousy fed person who's
going to be gone in a few months.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Not even a big deal.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
It's not a big deal.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Also, did everybody notice he doesn't even know how long
the normal mortgage is.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
He said it was forty years.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, okay, you know, we don't all have specialized banking
instruments from Goldman Sacks and our commercial real estate properties.
Most of us are dealing with the shithead mortgage brokers at.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Whatever a bank or rocket mortgage.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
You know that you're lucky enough to even get if
you can qualify for one.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, I mean this is like, remember what was it?

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Wasn't it dan Quayle who didn't know how much a
gallon of milk costs.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
No, I'm thinking of George H. W.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Bush how he was like mystified at a grocery store
checkout counter because he hadn't seen barcode scanners.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
This was in the eighties.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
But the point whales thing was not knowing how.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
To spell potato.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Sorry, that humiliation, but yeah hw And that image went,
you know, viral in whatever nineteen nineties terms. Why because
they were like, this man is so rich and so old.
He literally he's not into a grocery store in like
twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
This stuff matters. I mean, we talked yesterday about the
White House.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
These things, the symbols, you know, they strike at the
heart of how out of touch a person can be.
I also think what it gets to ist. I've said
this before too. I remember about Biden. Biden would do
something very similar where a year or so in office
he would still talk about January sixth, and he would
talk about Trump.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Well, Trump is now in the same boat. It's November eleventh.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Dude, I don't want to hear about Biden anymore, does
anybody else. One of the nice things I like about
America is when a guy like Biden says off, We're
all just like who, Like, we get temporary amnesia.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
We're like, who are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Because what we expect is that when a new government
comes into power. Yeah, you can blame Biden for a
couple of months. After that, you own it, especially now
at this point, especially with the way that you dominate media.
So I see that where he blames Biden interest rates.
I mean, I don't think he's wrong to blame a
lot of the actions of the Federal Reserve. But as
we demonstrated yesterday, interest rates alone are not the issue.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
It's price.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Prices are fifty percent higher than they were five, you know,
six years ago.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's the whole ball game. It's all supply.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Then we have all these boomers with massively appreciated assets.
Average first time home buyer today is forty years old.
The average person who's like looking at a house, I
believe is in their sixties. You know, in terms of
their ability to offer cash, there's no incentives whenever it
comes to first time home buyers. Even if there are,
you know, some modest more interests or whatever, doesn't remotely
make up for the fact that wages have not kept

(43:31):
up place.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
There's literally nothing else to say about it. All you
have to do is attack supply. You need to throw
a Manhattan level project level of stuff at it. There's
no other way, simply, And yet we're all just you know,
working around the edges. And this is what's leading to
the doomerism for a lot of people who are much younger.
I was just looking, you know, I put some tweet
out about boomers don't get it, and of course, you know,

(43:53):
a vast majority of boomers.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Are like, well, I graduated in nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I was like, yeah, well, in nineteen eighty five, the
average first time home bar I was twenty nine years old.
Today it's forty. Okay, so things have radically changed. The
median income relative to a buyer. It's there's no comparing
the world.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
The median age of a home buyer now is fifty
nine years.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I can't live like this.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I mean, it distorts the whole market. We talked yesterday
about developers and supply side. So if all the rich
people are old, what do you do You build houses
for rich people and for old people. That's who you're
going to cater your market. It's basic economics. You have
to have some sort of intervention. A fifty year mortgage
turns you into a permanent renter to the bank and
also makes you somebody who's paying You know what was

(44:38):
the example that we gave. It was like, compared to
a thirty year they would pay a quarter mill in interest,
but compared to a fifty year they're paying.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
A million million a million.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Dollars for like a five hundred thousand dollars home over
the lifetime of your mortgage. I saw a hilarious tweet
where there was an old man like in a diner
and he's like, he's owned this place for forty nine
years and somebody said he's only got one.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
More year to pay it off.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
It's like, can you imagine that?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Like, if you buy a house of your thirties, you're
eighty years old, and you might pay it off, and
let's say you move after eight years, which the average
person does whenever they have it, You're gonna have zero
equity after closing costs. You're gonna be flipped upside down
like most people, you know how most people are upside
down on the car loans. You're gonna start having people
negative equity in their home loans. That's what the net
result of a fifty year more having in gra Actually

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that's exactly what, exactly what?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, well, and it's also it's you know, for a
guy who's supposed to be like this post liberal president
is the most neoliberal idea you could possibly come up with.
Like we're it's a market based solution, you know, like
we're not going to actually do anything to help you
or like, you know, actually come in and shape the
markets and then more housing is being built. We're just
gonna make it so that banks can builk you for

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even more interest and you can be even more in
debt than you already are. So yeah, there's a reason
why that idea was panned across the board. I actually
want to play next B six, which is Scott Bessen
speaking of the two thousand dollars idea, which is a
complete and total fantasy that'sn't really gives away the game
here because he's asked. He's asked like, okay, so what

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form is that going to come in? Let's go and
take a lot. This is B six. Let's listen to this.

Speaker 9 (46:13):
The two thousand dollars dividend could come in lots of forms,
in lots of ways, George. You know, it could be
just the tax decreases that we are seeing on the
president's agenda. You know, no tax on tips, no tax
on overtime, no tax and solid security deductibility of auto loans.
So you know, those are substantial deductions that are being

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financed in the tax bill.

Speaker 16 (46:37):
Because of all the extra tax revenue, there isn't more
room to get checks back to people.

Speaker 17 (46:42):
So when people hear that, what's the reality of it?
When do you think that people would get these two
thousand dollars checks in the mail from the White House
from this plan.

Speaker 16 (46:51):
Well, again, it will have to be passed by Congress.
But the reality is just this that because of Biden's inflation,
which average five percent over four years, that people on
average lost about thirty four hundred dollars in purchasing power,
and they've gained about twelve hundred this year. But there's
still room to go, and so we're making up ground fast.
But the fact is that people are still down about

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two thousand dollars relative to what their purchasing power was
when Joe Biden took office, And so we understand that
people feel like there's an affordability problem, but we're closing
the gap fast, and with these policies and potentially you know,
rebate checks, we might close the whole gap really really fast.

Speaker 17 (47:27):
Okay, really fast, but you won't say exactly when, whether
that's Q one the next year, not me, not yet Okay.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
So you've got Besin saying like.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, it'll show up that conduction if you think about it,
You've already gotten two thousand dollars stimulus if you really
think about it in the right way.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
You know, we did that whole.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Tax cut thing, and mostly one to the rich, but
still a little tiny shreds of it may have gone
to you to no tax on tips that could be
the form. And then you have has it who's like, well,
let's talk about Joe Biden. You know we're bad under him,
and like maybe low key. The two thousand dollars that
you're going to get is in theoretical increased purchasing power
from lower inflation. So you know that it demonstrates to

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you just how real of an idea it is, and
has it even says like, look, actual checks would have
to go through Congress.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
So that's what I said, all right, I mean, look,
the whole thing is a farce.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yes, oh you're gonna get it.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's kind of like the way they did Social Security,
where they technically made Social Security tax free by making
it a tax eligible like on your in terms of
your deduction. It's too complicated to explain, but the basics
is eighty eight percent of people get Social Security. They
get it when they file their taxes in terms of
being tax free. It's not that they get like less
of a check or more of a check, if that

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makes sense. So this is the similar way where they
always are trying to play with it, and.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
It just reminds me.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I mean, for for all of the talk about moving
back Paul Ryan on are my big brain moments where
I was like, holy shit, these people are so out
of touch. Is I was dragged to this meeting with
Paul Ryan. I guess it's just like twenty seventeen. He
like sat back in his chair and he was like,
as a result of our tax legislation, the average American
will save seven hundred and eighty dollars and that is

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enough to remodel their kitchen. And I was like, seven
hundred and eighty dollars a year, and I was like,
that's what you're sitting here bragging to me about. I
was like, what a joke. I was like, these people
are done. They're gonna lose. And that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
That's what he said. First of all, it's not enough
to remodel kitchen. All right, I don't even know what
he's gonna buy stink.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
All right, we can get some new hardware on the cabinets.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
It was twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
It was twenty seventeen, so I guess there was less inflation.
But I even at that time, I didn't know at
a home. It was like living in a shithole apartment.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
But even at that.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Time, I was like, I don't think that's enough to remodel.
I'm pretty sure. But that's the level of discourse that
they awe. These people all try to fall back on,
and I don't know, it's pathetic. It's genuinely pathetic. And
it also shows how out of touch they are really
with consumer sentiment. Something that we had been flagging here.
We used to flag it a lot into the Biden administration.
You can do it now to the University of Michigan

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survey brutal for the way that people feel about the economy.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
B five. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 18 (50:07):
This is consumer sentiment, the current conditions. Consumer sentiment can
be the current conditions or it can be future expectations.
We're looking at current conditions. And get this. According to
the University of Michigan, we are dealing with the worst ever,
the worst ever view of current conditions, dating all the
way back since nineteen hundred and fifty one. This is
record breaking in the way you don't want to be

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breaking records. And get this, Kate. It is down thirty percent.
Consumer sentiment of current conditions down thirty percent from January
when Donald Trump took office.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
But take a look here Trump blamed.

Speaker 18 (50:42):
Trump's policies have worsened economic conditions in America.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
Look at this. We're dealing with a super majority here.

Speaker 18 (50:49):
We're talking about more than three in five Americans, sixty
one percent, who say that Trump's policies have worsened economic
conditions in America. How about worsened your own finances. Again,
we're dealing with a majority here. Fifty one percent of
Americans say that Trump's policies have worsened your own finances.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
This is double trouble for the president of the United States.
I decide to look at pure.

Speaker 18 (51:12):
Pure independence, those who don't lean towards either side, and
look at this disapproof of Trump on the economy among
pure independence.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
We're talking about four and five seventy nine percent. On'm
laughing because you rarely ever see a number this high.

Speaker 18 (51:26):
Seventy nine percent of pure independence disapproof of Trump on
the economy.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
How about this? This is no outlier, Kate.

Speaker 18 (51:33):
This is no outlier because look at Marquette University, their
law school, seventy six percent of pure independence disapprove of
Trump on the economy.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
When you put it all together with.

Speaker 18 (51:43):
The approval ratings, it averages out to a net approval
rating on the economy among pure independence of get this
minus fifty eight points.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Who what a disaster.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
There's like, no, there's barely even words. You have to
bring all of that together. So good luck you're Joe Biden.
Now that's basically the same numbers that we're racking up
in twenty twenty one. We covered it here day in
and day out. They lost their way. What happened after that?
They became laser focused on you. Oh, they became labor
focused on a foreign war, they were seen as doing

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not enough for people who were at home.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
They seemed like they.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Were out of touch, old and focusing on the wrong things,
and then trying to dominate.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
It on some culture issues. Shall shall we all remember
how that all played?

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Yeah, for the election.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I mean it's like the script is written during the
press conference.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, same shit.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
I mean the script is written by the way. It's
actually similar sycophantic dynamics. The King was obviously you know,
Biden was obviously decrepit and dementia ridden by twenty twenty one,
if not even whenever he ran, nobody could say it.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
If you did, you were a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Well, this time around with Trump, it's like if you
say even anything even moderate like MTG about hey, I
think we should focus a little bit on price, is
you get xcis like the Dean Phillips of the world
or any of the other Democrats who tried to originally
And then eventually, sometime around mid twenty twenty seven, in
the middle of the election, everyone can start to say

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the truth out loud, and there will be a civil war.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
And at that point, what do you think is going
to happen. You know, it seems shit literally all over again.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
You know, of all those numbers that Harry Anton put
up there, the one that really struck me the most
is where it's at a majority of people actually say
Trump's economic plan has directly hurt me. Because a lot
of times you'll have a negative sense overall of the economy,
but people will say what I'm actually doing. Okay, there
you had very little discrepancy between the percent who were

(53:41):
saying Trump's policies have made the economy worse and percent
that said Trump's policies have made my life worse, directly,
my economic situation worse. So when you have a majority
who are feeling that direct impact, yeah, that is that
is political.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
He tied himself to the tariffs. He made it.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I mean, the economy was the number one thing when
he ran obviously, and then too we tied himself directly
to the tariffs. People either felt the problems with the
tariffs or they feebled the general chaos with their stock
portfolios or anything. I mean, if you look, you and
I run a business for that entire Liberation Day period,
we were like no big expenses like at our company.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
How many other people are like that.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I'm sure there's a ton Look at the job market,
there's a ton of people who were like man between
AI and the government and all this other nonsense, not hiring.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Or we're firing.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
We're just we're spending no big money projects which originally
may have been green lit or not being green lit.
This stuff cascades throughout the whole US economy, and you know,
home prices flat or high, mortgage rates flat basically not
that you know, much lower than they were, these electric.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Bills going higher.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I mean, genuinely economically, what's all that different from last year?
I can't think of saying if anything is worse if
you look at all the private data. By the way,
when the shutdown ends and we actually get some of
that some of those numbers, bls, it's going.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
To be bad. I was just looking.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
ADP, you know, just this morning put out a new
put out a new report which here let me just
pull it up very quickly, but ADYP just had a
payroll report that came out, you know, I think maybe
like an hour ago or so, which showed you know,
the exact similar types of losses in terms of payrolls.
So it's just it's not good. It's it's really all

(55:21):
of the data points. Same with Biden. He wasn't singularly
focused on it. To most people, it's quite obvious Trump
cares more about some bullshit Nobel Peace Prize nonsense.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Well, and you have the.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Insult injury of Trump to throwing these opulent you know, yeah,
the best part of the too at mar A Lago
and building out his east wing and redecorating his Marvel
bathroom and whatever. So you have not only are not
focused on me, but you are, you know, living this
lavish Great Gatsby roaring twenties, you know, like opulent lifestyle

(55:56):
in all of our faces and giving away the store
to a bunch.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Of billion.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Turning down to Galaine Maxwell. There of course, was a
big pause in any potential vote on the Epstein files
in the United States Congress. Some fifty four days they
stayed out of session, including refusing to swear in a
new Democratic member of the House because she would have
signed a discharge petition to force a vote on set
Epstein files.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Attelita Grihalva.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
She has now officially traveled here to Washington, DC to
be sworn in and will probably be shining this petition
very shortly.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Here's what she had to say.

Speaker 19 (56:31):
So it looks like I'm going to get sworn in
this week after seven weeks of waiting. I almost can't
believe it's true. I am really upset that the one
of the first votes that I will take is on
a bill that does nothing for affordable health care for
the American people. And I also have to say that
we have to do something to make sure that one

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person can't silence the voices of eight hundred and thirteen
thousand people. This can never happen again to another member
elect that is waiting in the wings because someone doesn't
want to do their job or because they're playing politics.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
So that was Adelite de Grijalva.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
She won that special election Mike Johnson and who decided
not to swear her in again largely because of the
Epstein situation. And at the very same time, we're getting
some very very troubling details from a whistleblower inside of
the federal prison system.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Let's go and put this up here on the screen.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
This is from the Jeffrey Epstein case regarding Gallaine Maxwell
and her current club fed treatment. Now, according to a
whistleblower who has approached the United States Congress. They are
saying that Maxwell has received what was described as quote
concierge style treatment at the minimum security prison camp she
was transferred to, including customized meals, permission to go to

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exercise after hours, time to play with a puppy that
was being trained by an inmate to become a service dog,
among other things.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
So you could see that is a little bit interesting.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
The whistleblower, by the way, way also claims that a
top official at the prison camp complained he is quote
sick of having to be Maxwell's bitch. I mean, they're fair,
it's objectively crazy. You're running a federal prison camp. Most
of the inmates are fraudsters, white people. They are white
collar criminals. You're not even you're not even allowed in

(58:21):
this prison if you're a sex offender like Gallaine Maxwell,
if you're a murder or whatever you must he there's
something called a points system. I was doing some research
in the federal prison system, Like you need a very
very low number of like points like violent crime and
all that usually keeps you out a place like a
federal prison camp. Pedophiles and all that, they're not allowed
in there either. It's a very specific type of inmate.
It's kind of a cushy place, that's why it is

(58:42):
what it is. And they have a lot of they
have a lot of like leeway. There's not as many guards,
a lot of them. You know, they can smuggle food
in or whatever. Like people kind of look the other way.
So when Glaine shows up here, these guys are not
First of all, it's the type of inmate who's not
even supposed to be there. But then second there's obviously
pressure from some about her treatment inside of this prison him.

(59:03):
So if a top prison official is saying, I'm tired
of being her bitch, somebody is telling him you have
to be her bitch. Who is that person? Is it
in the doj at the Beer of Prisons? You know
all of this by the way, I mean the Beer
of Prisons? Are we all going to forget? Was the
entity which oversaw the suicide, released the video if you
want to call it that, of the evidence again, if

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you want to call it, who covered up and did
the investigation, you know, of the so called suicide, which
there's a million holes to run through. So this stuff
just stinks, I mean, the entire thing, Yes, thinks, I
mean we.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Know it comes from Trump, Like there's no there's no
mystery around it. We know she knows stuff he doesn't
want out. She has all this power and leverage. You know,
ever since she started getting her cushy treatment. Guess what
the least of the Wall Street Journal and everywhere else stopped.
She got her prison transfer. She gets to hang out
with their puppy. Another thing that they said here that
was noteworthy is she gets to have more access with

(59:58):
visitors who have compute so that she can have you know,
outside electronic communications against something that is completely barred and
banned for any of the other inmates who committed much
lesser like crimes than she committed. So it's insane. I mean,
it's totally obvious what's going on here. She has dirt

(01:00:20):
on Trump or on his friends or all of the
above that he doesn't want to be made public. And
so you know, in fact, like, not only is this
prison official her bitch, but Trump is her bitch. He's
doing her bidding and getting her the special treatment. That's
what's happening here. And oh, by the way, she's also
putting in her application for her sentence to be commuted,

(01:00:40):
and Trump has been going on a pardon spree, pardoned
all these fake electors part of the like you know,
January sixth, stop the steel bullshit, just pardoned them. I
saw someone else, the husband of this Republican representative, just
just gotten pardoned this morning for some sort of health
care fraud that he committed, by the way, as we're

(01:01:02):
talking about healthcare. And so she's on the list for
potential partner commutation, and every time he gets asked about it,
he won't deny, he won't rule it out whatsoever. So
I think everyone should expect that that is a very
likely outcome, especially when you see the details of the
special treatment, the cushy concierge style treatment that she's receiving

(01:01:24):
at this club fed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I don't think you can draw another conclusion at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
It's like it just has to be some very high
level people in the White House who are telling them
this is the way that it all has to be treated.
I mean, how else can you explain, you know, all
of the changes in policy and the prison movement, and
now the top prison officials saying that she's treating me
like her bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
The commutation, I still like as corrupt as I believe
things are and as crazy as I things are. The fact,
like if he commuted her sentence, I can you even
imagine like the the break no no, because no, no no, I
mean the reaction. I'm not saying he wouldn't do it.
I'm saying the reaction to that. It would confirm everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
But the react, the reactions wild because Maga has mostly
shut up about this at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, but even that would be I mean, I would
hope it's a it's a bridge too far. I did
say that, you know a lot of these people are
sick of fans and all that, But like, or would
we really all just sit here and allow something like
that to go?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I don't think so, but look, I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I do want to say I want to give a
major shout out to Ryan Grimm, who I mean, story
after story from Ryan and from oz Over at drop
site is just confirming beyond my wildest dreams when I
laid out all of the Israel connections with Epstein. If
I had this stuff, I would have been less careful
in my language. And I'm in like one hundred percent
I'm willing to just say it out loud. Let's put

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his story up here on the screen here, he had
a blog.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
You guys broke this down on a Friday show.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
But Epstein helped Sell, helped Israel sell the surveillance state
to coat de war an African nation, And some of
the allegations inside of the story are absolutely wild. They
talk about his relationship with aud Barack, about the sale
of his military technology, about the daughter of this leader
and how she herself was ensnared kind of within his scheme.
This is just one of the latest Epstein stories that

(01:03:14):
they've dropped. They dropped previously one that also involved Africa
Israeli intelligence. He's got a new one actually out just
this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
We go ahead, hold up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Israeli spy stayed for weeks at a time at Jeffrey
Epstein's mansion. Leaked email show Epstein working on a wire
transfer to Ahood Barrock's top aid Yoni Korn, who regularly
stayed at his mansion. I'll read you the lead of this.
So this is again Ryan and Mas An Israeli military
intelligence officer, stayed at Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan apartment on at

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least three occasions, including once in February twenty thirteen while
working as a senior aide who then Israeli Minister of
Defense Ahood Barrock. Yoni Koran made his intelligence career working
in covert operations alongside the massade. Remained a lieutenant colonel
in reserve duty after he officially left the Intelligence Directorate.
He stayed in Epstein's apartment again for two weeks in
October twenty fourteen, and a third time for ten more

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days in September twenty fifteen. Dropsite compiled evidence of these
days from schedules released by the House Oversite Committee last
month and Barock's hacked emails. On all three trips, Korn
appeared to be conducting official or unofficial business. A Times
of Israel article from late January twenty thirteen, a few
weeks before Korn's first documented stay, identifies him as still
actively serving as the bureau chief for the Israeli Ministry

(01:04:30):
of Defense that month, and it goes on from there.
But yeah, TLDR. This guy Israeli military intelligence officer, high
level senior aid to the Defense Minister, then Defense Minister
of Israel Ahood Barock, staying at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion on
the Upper East Side for two weeks at a time,

(01:04:51):
you know, ten days, two weeks while he's conducting business.
I mean, it's confirmed, like it's confirmed he was an
intelligent asset for Israel, period dusted we know now. And
the other wild thing that we always bring out, and
I think really bears mentioning, is you know, Ryan and Maas,
they're just going through things that have been publicly released now,
either from the Hospital Side Committee or from these mostly

(01:05:13):
from these hacked emails. This is all available to any
news outlet who cares to look through them and do
the reporting.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
And none of them do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
None of them care to go through the emails, none
of them want to put this sort of information out
in the public domain. And that is wild. That is
incredibly revealing in and of itself.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Again, I wish I had this six months ago when
I was really like on a tour of it, because like,
this is all this is actually what I needed, like
the actual steakecraft stuff, behind the scenes, of the nitty
gritty on how you are a very useful person. One
of the things also that always annoyed me is the assumption,
you know, when we talked about intelligence asset was that
they're being run by Israel or run by ci.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
It's not like that. The point was is that he
had a blackmail scheme or what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Who knows what exactly what he was doing behind the scenes,
but he had access to a lot of sketchy money
circles that was very convenient for huge numbers of intelligence agencies,
power brokers, et cetera, with a lot of these Israeli
public officials, and he used his influence behind the scenes
here obviously to benefit the state of Israel. Four separate
Times documented that Ryan and mas have now shown us

(01:06:22):
I mean, what else do you want? How else would
you describe that relationship? Right, we don't need anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Here, straining the you know, language and definitions exactly, saying
that it's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Just it's open it shut.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
If this was any other person, if you just neutral said,
here are for separate instances where he acted and used
his private influence to benefit a foreign state, how would
you describe that person who also was involved with like
this trafficking ring and was also an extremely high networth
individual under extremely suspicious circumstances. Come on, all right, I

(01:06:58):
mean it's like a movie character. It would be so
obvious to any neutral observer. But yeah, I mean, this
is where the mainstream press stuff and Maga. I mean
they pretended to care. Nobody's caring anymore. Yet they got this.
Nobody retweets, nobody covers it. It all just is out
in the open. Obviously, it's great.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
You know where the free press at.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, well they're interviewing Mosa You remember that. Remember when
she interviewed Mosad Barry and she was like, so was
Epstein ever Mosad?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
And he was like, no, of course not. You know,
it's like it would never happen. Okay, I'll take your
word for it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I guess I'm enjoying the Colombian president, Patro Gustava, Patrick
Patro going after Trump on the Epstein front. And by
the way, we just murdered some more random, you know
people in the ocean. Two more boats were blown up,
claiming to be.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Just this time specific.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
At least it's no longer in the the Venezuela thing.
I really, it has died down very recently. Kind of
an interesting internal thing. I think the election had something
to do with it, But I also kind of belie
that some of the pushback that we were providing in
terms of the intel and just how bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
The case was made it. It's somehow I really do
think it. Actually, well, that's so different to some love.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
But in any case, I'm appreciating the Colombian president and
taking Trump to task for his Epstein ties. He said recently,
a clan of Pedophiles wants to destroy our democracy to
keep Epstein's list from coming out. They send warships to
kill fishermen and threaten our neighbor with invasion for their oil.
They want to turn the region into another Libya full
of slaves.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
So the Epstein, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
As I have explained, mister Petros has gone global. Petro
is desperate to get sanctioned because he's actually not that
popular and he wants the Lula treatment. He wants Trump
to sanction him so that he can become very popular
and his leftist coalition can prevail in Colombia.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
So that's mostly what explained. I mean, it's funny, you
can't get me wrong. He's trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Say the most outrageous shit about Trump because he's desperately
seeking some sanctions from the US State Department, who, by
the way, the State Department is aware of this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Rubio doesn't want him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
To get realized did and so his advice to the
president has been sir, you just gotta have to shut
up and take it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
And knowing Trump, we'll see it's not gonna work.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
That's a little inside baseball for everybody here on the show.

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