11/17/25: Trump Brands MTG As Traitor, Trump Flips On Epstein Files In Final Hour

Krystal and Saagar discuss Trump branding MTG a traitor over Epstein, Trump reverses on Epstein files.

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Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are going deep on what's going on in MAGA.
Trump feuding with MTG and Thomas Massey. We got a
late night reversal from him on the Epstein Files. Now
he's telling Republicans that they should vote for the release.
This is a huge deal, so a lot to get
into there. I Meanwhile, Nick Fuentes is declaring that MAGA
is dead and so that is certainly worth discussing. And

(01:03):
debating whether or not this moment does in fact spell
the end of MAGA effectively, and how weakened President Trump
is in this moment. We've also got Marjorie Taylor Green
telling the truth about Israel on CNN, much to Dana
Bash's shock and chagrin. Israel also asking for a twenty
year security agreement typically those have been ten years. They're

(01:23):
asking for more money as well, seemingly an acknowledgment that
they understand the politics of Israel are shifting very quickly
here in the US. And we got some stuff from
the Democratic side of the aisle as well, including new
reporting on how Chuck Schumer politically speaking, is a dead
man walking. He probably won't get pushed out of leadership,
but very unlikely that he would be able to run
and succeed in twenty twenty eight. So a lot that's

(01:47):
going on there as well. Don't want to lose sight
of the Dems in.

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Speaker 1 (02:35):
But let's go ahead and start with MTG.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
As Chrystal said, this is definitely the biggest news of
the entire weekend, and it just demonstrates a variety of
different things. Is that there's a huge split right now
in the Republican Party being forced over Israel over Epstein
by association. Perhaps because of the association between those two.
But MTG has now come under fire despite being one
of the most loyal people to Donald Trump in the

(02:58):
lead up to the twenty twenty five election, but exposing
a rift on what MAGA America first and all that
means in the first year now of the Trump administration.
Let's go ahead and put the truth up there. That
came on some Friday night, Trump officially unindorsed Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I am withdrawing my support and endorsement of Congressman Marjorie
Trelly Green over the Great State of Georgia over the
past few weeks, despite my creating record achievements.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
What he continues to say is basically that she has
lost the plot and that she is focusing on the
Democratic Epstein hoax. Marjorie Taylor Green responds, then let's go
and put her text please on the screen. President Trump
has attacked me and lied about me. I haven't called
him at all. I did send the text messages today.
Apparently this is what sent him over the edge the
Epstein files. Of course, he is coming after me hard

(03:46):
to make an example to scare all Republicans before next
week's vote to release the Epstein's files. Is astonished how
hard he is fighting to stop the Epstein files from
coming out, that he actually goes to this level, But really,
most Americans wish he would fight this hard to help
the forgotten and women of America who are fed up
with foreign wars, foreign causes, are going broke trying to
feed families are losing hope of their ever achieving the

(04:06):
American dream.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's what I voted for.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I have supported President Trump with too much of my
precious time, too much of my own money, and fought
harder for him even when almost all Republicans turn their
backs and denounce him. I don't worship or serve Donald Trump.
I worship God. Jesus is my savior, and I served
my district GA fourteen and the American people. I remain
the same today as I've always been. I will continue
to pray this administration will be successful because the American

(04:29):
people desperately deserve what they voted for. For me, I
remain America first and America only. The text messages were
especially noteworthy. Let's go to move those guys, just to
show you the exact text that he sent, she sent
Donald Trump and which apparently are what sends him over
the edge. Just went directly to DJT. Check the flight
logs of Epstein's plane. Bill Clinton is on there like
twenty six times Hillary two. For many of us, releasing

(04:50):
the Epstein files has always been for the women who
were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, but also because we believe
the Democrat bad guys like the Clinton's were entangled involved
with him. Epstein was a spider that wove the web
of the deep state lean into it. A second one
that he sent to Natalie. This is one of Trump's
chief aids who often drafts a lot of his truth socials.
She says here, in every single interview I have done,

(05:11):
I've defended President Trump. I've said over and over the
women say he did nothing wrong. In their attorney, he
says he's the only one who's helped. And the Democrats
had four years to release the files but did nothing
stop ignoring the women. Many of them literally voted for
President Trump and say so publicly. Them being raped as
teenagers is not a hoax. So this is really what
sent him over the edge, Crystal, and I think it

(05:32):
is exposing the rift entirely in terms of MAGA as
a cult of personality and whether that cult of personality
could withstand this issue of the Epstein files. Now, originally
there was a lot of MAGA pushback. Many of the
biggest MAGA voices eventually retrenched, they decided to defend Donald Trump.
You had the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which was kind
of a coming together moment. But since that assassination, the

(05:53):
Israel issue just continues to completely split apart the entire
Republican Party. And Epstein has now become i think the flashpoint,
not only because of his own connections to the Israeli government,
but also because of Trump's complete reversal on the issue.
Despite you know, we'll get to this in a little bit,
he did eventually come out and say release the Epstein files.
That was a total one eighty after basically throwing his

(06:15):
entire administration's power at stopping that discharge petition. They just
took that beating in the twenty twenty five elections. Trump
is at his absolute weakest right now. This is a
battle over twenty twenty eight, but it also exposes to
the end degree just how much of MAGA itself Trump
only defines about, you know, his own personal loyalty, like

(06:36):
endorsing Lindsey Graham and unendorsing Thomas Massey or going after
him going after MTG now in this specific way. And
I do think this is the first time I've seen
Trump actually weak with a lot of Republicans, and a
lot of people are disgusted with his handling of this
issue and of his unendorsing of MTG.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, what I would say is, do not underestimate this woman.
Don't underestimate her. I agree, because think about the fact
that you have never had a Republican who turned on
Trump and succeed that Trump didn't get the better of,
that didn't get excised from the party, didn't didn't end
up Jeff Flake or a you know, or a Liz

(07:16):
Cheney or something like that, where they're just completely now
anathema to the party. The base hates them, they're traders,
et cetera. He's trying to do that with Marjorie Taylor
Green and he is not succeeding. He's trying to do
that with Thomas Massey, and he is not succeeding. This
tells us a couple of things. Number One, I think
both Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Green chose the most

(07:37):
intelligent possible issues to turn on Trump. Okay, Israel and
you know, the anti Semitism, wokeness, panic and Epstein. Those
are the first issues where we've really seen him vulnerable
with the base and with an energized online constituency. So

(07:59):
the issues she chose are incredibly, incredibly intelligent, and then
she has gotten the better of him in all of
these exchanges. Now, I don't know what is in Marjorie
Taylor Green's heart. I don't know what's in Donald Trump's heart,
but we should look at all of these people as
savvy political actors. And every single play that she has
made has been extraordinarily savvy. Her messaging about you know,

(08:23):
how she always grounding it in her Christian faith, and
how she wants to reach down to the other side,
and how much she cares about the women here and
how she's listening to them. And by the way, the
women say, you did nothing wrong, So what's the problem here?
Why don't you release it? This is the deep state?
Didn't you say? That's what you're all about? Her messaging
at every turn has been extraordinary clever, extraordinarily clever and

(08:44):
extraordinarily effective. So listen, Marjorie Taylor Green may not come
off as like an intellectual. I don't think she is
an intellectual, But this is a very very savvy political
player who appears to be really the first Republican we
have seen to turn on Trump and any significant way
and actually come out on top of that exchange.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
The thing is about Marjorie is that I think that
what we take away from her is the same thing
that Trump used to have as a superpower, which is authenticity.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
She really hasn't changed all that much.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And to the extent that she has changed, which we'll
get to in a little bit, she has apologized. I mean,
when is the last time that you saw self criticism
at a national stage level for a politician who is
in real time assessing both new information and actually grappling,
you know, with the stakes of what happened and instead
of blindly just supporting the sitting president. And I think
that is something which a lot of people can This

(09:35):
is part of the reason why I don't think that
many MAGA or MAGA aligned figures are going to have
a hard time, you know, explicitly moving past Marjorie Taylor
Green because everything that comes from her seems authentic on
the Epstein issue, from the Israel issue. You know, Glenn
Greenweld said something interesting, which is, if you look at
the founder's conception of a citizen legislator, there is something

(09:57):
genuinely refreshing about Marjorie Tailer where it actually does seem
like this is a person who's taking in new information, reassessing,
and actually sticking to a set of principles that she
tried to from the very beginning. You can, you know,
potentially see it as a cynical move, and maybe it is,
and maybe it's just the authentic and it's strategic, which
makes you something called a good politician. But that's really,

(10:18):
you know, the way that I'm looking at this right
now with Marjorie. We did have a president, We did
have margor Jalla Green. Now explicitly, I mean embracing the
fight with Trump.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
This is the other thing.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's not just one of those where Republicans in the
past who have been attacked by Trump will be like, oh,
you know, we have our differences, but of course I
still support the president.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
She's in full on attack war mode. Let's go to
the next one.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Please.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Just to give you an example, margor Chaella Green now
blaming Trump for some of.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
The threats that she has received.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
She says, the hoax pizza deliveries has started now to
my house, to my family. We have received a pipe
bomb threat on my construction companies. President Trump's unwarranted and
vicious attacks against me were a dog whistle to dangerous
radicals that lead to serious attacks on me and my family.
I've been down this before. As a matter of fact,
I campaigned all over the country defended Trump. I received
dozens of swatting calls in my house. My family members

(11:06):
will these pokes pizza deliveries even more severely. I have
received some of the most threats of any member of
Congress that led to multiple men being convicted serving time
in prison. All of that came from the left. Now,
President Trump has called me a trader, which is untrue
and horrific. Mark Levin has called me a trader, so
have other prominent, likely paid social media activists. This puts
blood in the water, creates a feeding frenzy. It could

(11:27):
ultimately lead to a harmful or even a deadly outcome.
The timing of this just happens to be days before
we take the vote on releasing the Epstein files. I
love America, the American people, a sworn oath to uphold
the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I am not a trader.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
However, when the President of the United States irresponsibly calls
a member of Congress of his own party trader, is
signaling what must be done to a trader. I fought
harder than anyone else to get Trump elected. I support
this administration and the promises we made in the campaign.
I'm a Republican in good standing. I've paid all my dues.
My voting record is one of the most conservative in Congress.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm proud of that.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
The toxics and dangerous rhetoric and politics must end. We
need healing in this country for all Americans. And I
think what strikes me again about that is a confrontational
nature that she is taking there to Donald Trump. But
she's also very strategically calling out the word trader. What
does the word trader mean?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Remember we talked about this when Hillary, for example, qu's
Tulsey of being a Russian ass. It's like, you can't
just say trader and treason and imply that people are
explicitly against the country itself. They happen to disagree with
you on this issue. She also points out people like
Mark Levin and others who are supposedly not traders to
Donald Trump because of course they support Israel, and they

(12:36):
support Trump only because he is explicitly pro Israel. And
so she's again drawing the contrast between fighting for an
issue set and here the Epstein one where Trump is
really on the ropes, and pointing out the inconsistencies and
who he goes after and who he doesn't. Trump did
respond to her comments, here's what he had to say
late last night.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
And her life would be a danger because of the
rhetoric her life is.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Who's that, Harden Taylor Green?

Speaker 5 (13:03):
He could Lorgerie Trader Green. I don't think her life
is in danger.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
I don't think Frankly, I don't think anybody cares about her. Okay,
what about you.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Nobody cares about her. He's trying to write her off
as irrelevant. It's just not.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I mean, you cannot get your way out of this.
And you know, Marjorie Taylor Green again, she's very very effective.
More recently, in a lot of her interviews with Fighting
against the Trader label. She took to CNN yesterday. Let's
take a listen to what she had to say.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
I stood with President Trump when virtually no one else did,
campaigned all over the country, spent millions of my own
dollars helping him get elected. And I think that's incredibly important.
And I do support him and his administration, and I
support them in delivering the campaign promises we made to
the American people. His remarks, of course, have been hurtful. However,

(13:56):
I have something in my heart that I think is
incredibly important for our country, and that is to end
the toxic fighting in politics. And this has been going
on for years and it has divided our country, split
up friends and families, neighbors, and it's not solving our problems.

(14:16):
The most hurtful thing he said, which is absolutely untrue,
is he called me a traitor. And that is so
extremely wrong. And those are the types of words used
that can radicalize people against me and put my life
in danger.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
What do you think happened? What do you think is
the reason for this?

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Unfortunately, it has all come down to the Epstein files,
and that is shocking. And you know, I stand with
these women. I stand with rape victims. I stand with
children who are in terrible sex abuse situations, and I
stand with survivors of traffic and those that are trapped
in sex trafficking, and I will not apologize for that.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
So, I mean, you know, if you look at the
framing there her attack on Trump, she seems somber in there.
She's calling for unity. I mean, this seems to me
like all of the hallmarks of a twenty twenty eight
presidential run. And I don't think it's an accident that
this comes on the Epstein issue, that this comes after
Trump just took a beating in the midterm elections, and
more importantly, though it was a time for choosing for Trump,

(15:27):
Trump has chose now to be just ridiculously pro Israel.
He's chosen in a lot of the business community. He's
ignoring a lot of the economic problems and basically attacking
anybody who distracts from the you know, from the issues,
or even dissents and says that they're not true maga
going after them with the full force of his administration.

(15:47):
And he's very unpopular right now. He's in Biden territory.
So this is part of what explains everything.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Here's The thing is number one, the timing, as you're
pointing out, he just took this absolute drop coast to coast.
Everybody knows it's a sign of major weakness and backlash
against his administration. He's a literal lame duck. He's an
old man, he's falling asleep in meetings, and he's extraordinarily unpopular.
And then you have this real sore spot with the

(16:15):
base where it's the one issue on the Epstein files,
it's the one issue where they are extremely dissatisfied with
how he's handling it. Then you think about who Marjorie
Taylor Green is. You know, she's not Liz Cheney neocon type. Right,
Marjorie Taylor Green does not exist outside of MAGA.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Right.

Speaker 9 (16:32):
She is not a member of Congress.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
If Donald Trump never is on the scene, she comes
directly out of this movement as like you know, a
Facebook posting QAnon mom.

Speaker 9 (16:43):
That's who she is.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So she has credibility there with Trump's base, as like,
you know, this isn't some sort of legacy Republican who
just saw the writing on the wall about maga's assent
and decided to conveniently and cynically bend the knee. No,
she springs directly out of MEGA, so she has some
purchase and credibility to say I am actually representing the

(17:07):
true principles of MEGA.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
Now that has never worked in the past.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
In the past, Trump has been right that he has
always gotten to say, no, I get to say what
MAGA actually is. But now you have enough weakness and
enough dissatisfaction on these key issues that you start to
be able to gain some purchase with that sort of argumentation,
especially when you are a person like Marjorie Taylor Green
who has that kind of credibility. The other thing I noticed,

(17:33):
you know, you were talking about how she's apologized for
some of the toxicity and the toxic politics that she
has embraced. I mean, this is someone who has used
extraordinarily violent and extremist rhetoric against her political opponents. You know,
she's been on board with everything Trump has done basically
up until this moment and up until this year. And
to be clear, I think you should evaluate every politician

(17:56):
as a cynical actor. Like sure, she has her own
political goal and the moves she's making in this moment
align with whatever those political goals are. But it's also
interesting to me, her approach is really a direct contrast
from how Trump conducts himself on the political scene, because
his motto is always never back down, never apologize. Right

(18:17):
even right now where he's doing a total one to
eighty and now saying yes, go ahead and release the
Epstein files, he's pretending like that was his position all along,
Like he'll never admit that he got something wrong, He'll
never apologize. And so stylistically, she is striking this incredible contrast,
which I also think has a certain appeal to people. Now,

(18:38):
I don't want to go too far, because look, I'm
not in the Republican base. I don't know ultimately how
that will shake out for twenty twenty eight, whether people
will see her as a trader to the cause, whether
she will ultimately end up in like a Liz Changing
kind of bucket, as a quote unquote trader. That's certainly
what Trump is trying to accomplish. And I am a
little skeptical of the fact, Like, you know, the fact
I find what she's saying appealing is a bit of

(18:58):
a red flag to me. This kind of like a
fetterman of the right, you know, where you know people
on the people who are Democrats are like, look at
her on the view, look at CNN, look at how
reasonable she's being in contrast to this mad man, and
that makes their own base, the Republican base, hate her.
That is a possibility as well that I want to
put out there too. But right now, in this moment,
I think she's been extremely savvy and picked exactly the

(19:22):
right weak point in his defenses to sort of take
her stand here and also sager, you know, yes, she's
going directly against and but then again, she's also draping
herself in I support this administraty. I spent millions of
my dollars to get this man elected. I still want
him to succeed. I want him to accomplish the things
that he ran on for the American people. So it's

(19:43):
also not a total hard break where she's just saying,
you know, I'm done with this and now moving to
the other side. And I think that also is part
of what's savvy about the way she's positioned her.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I think that's an extremely important point.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Let's let's understand MTG and the Liz Cheney type phenomenon. Now,
what would attacking Trump in a quote liberal way look like, right,
it would be by attacking him. I don't even I'm
not even I can't even really think probably on immigration, uh, I.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Mean, yeah, let's say Cheney.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
It was Cheney. It was Cheney. It was on January sixth,
that's when she turned the right.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
So here you could say, you know, you maybe on
Seacott or maybe on like the National Guard deployment and
the authoritarianism, right, those sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Right, But that's not it. So it's not the liberal
framing of the critique. It's actually, well, I think it's
so effective is it's explicitly about the campaign promises and
the spirit of why Trump got elected in the first place,
and saying, hey, that was a betrayal.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
The reason I think it may resonate with you or
other like commentators is that one of the ways that
a lot of the Democrats are recognized to try and
gain background is they're like, well, one way that we
have to win is in a bigger tent is to
convince people to vote for us. And one of the
ways to do that is to say, the other person
that you voted for didn't deliver what you promised. Now,
but that's an important distinction in terms of what makes

(21:02):
somebody a quote turncoat and somebody who is actually authentically
within you know, that ideological sphere and then speaking out
against that. The Republican critique of her right now, like
the you know, the pro Trump critique is that she's
undermining the administration, not you know, that she is somebody
who has like turned on everything that she used to
believe in the past. I don't think that that's the

(21:24):
case now. In terms of her stylistic apology, I read
that very much in the way of actually coming to
terms with a couple of things. First and foremost was
the Israel criticism, because I think it was a huge
eye opener for a lot for her, in particular to
take in a lot of the information about Israel to
conclude ultimately that we should not militarily support this nation.

(21:44):
She even went so far as to call it a genocide.
And I think what she understood is that in the past,
you know, for a lot of politicians, they just bought
the Israel propaganda kind of hook line and sinker, and
what they watch is that nasty rhetoric be employed against
them for simply acknowledging truths like hey, you're slaughtering a
lot of women and children. And I do think that
that in particular, a lot of the nastiness and the rhetoric,

(22:07):
when they see how that is weaponized against them for
merely just speaking their own mind and for trying to
uphold those very principles, that makes them reassess how they
themselves have acted in the past and also how you
want to try and build some.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Consensus in the future.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
And so this is one of those where what they're
all everybody is trying to sketch out bets right now.
We were just looking at the morning this morning, Ted
Cruz attacking Tucker Carlson. Part of it is because he
wants to make a twenty twenty eight run. Part of
here with MTG is explicitly picking and saying, hey, I
feel like a lot of the promises are being betrayed.
But you know, also with MTG, you know, to give
her at least some credit, you know, if she is cynical.

(22:44):
She often talks about her children, and she talks often
about the ability to purchase a home her home state
of Georgia. By the way, I was just we were
just looking at some economic stuff this morning. Georgia is
not doing very well in terms of their economy. They
just had those democratic swings against them, Like if you
want to preserve ability to win or winning this of
the recent Republican coalition, you have to kind of return

(23:07):
to a lot of those routes. She also she passes
a vibe check in terms of her ability to go
and to do a lot of what Trump did in
the original twenty twenty four campaign. She was just on
the Tim Dillon podcast. I thought she handled it incredibly well.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
She can go on the view.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
She handled herself. I thought there quite confidently. She coul
pretty much go anywhere and handle anything. And that is
something again, you know, which I don't think of Donald
Trump would actually do very well on a podcast right
now if he's actually even remotely challenged, let's say, on
Epstein or any of the promises that he originally made
in twenty twenty four. Because the power is now real
for her, she can actually critique, and that's very, very powerful.

(23:41):
I've talked previously about kind of the rise of Nick
Fuentes and others, and one of the things that Emily
has said, I'm borrowing this, it's not my take, but
I think it's so deeply true, is there is not
a lot of space in the MAGA machine and in
particular in Republican media, for people who are not liberals
to critique the Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
That doesn't exist. There's no permission structure.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's a lot like Joe Biden saying he's senile back
in what twenty twenty three? That was like, we could
not say those things in democratic aligned spaces, even though
a huge portion of the Democratic base was like, he's
too old, he's to old, he's to old. He's told well,
there is a lot of American dissatisfaction, including people who
voted for Donald Trump, who again are not liberals. These
are not bleeding heart liberals, but they are upset, and

(24:24):
so to see them validated in this politician, it seems courageous.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
It's a big bet. Again, will it work out? I mean,
who knows? Right, it's only November.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
There's three years to go, still, two years basically til
the actual primary really gets started in Is it Iowa
still for the Republicans? I forget, I think it's still
Iowa and New Hampshire Like yeah, look, no, nobody's going
to make any declarations, and she could absolutely crash and
burn that midterm elections will be an interesting test. She's
on endorsing, he said in a follow on truth, he

(24:56):
wants somebody to run against her. Let's see, let's see
how it works out. But he's also, you know, going
against Thomas Massey, and it doesn't look like that it's
really working out that well. For example, his most recent
critiques I think are probably only going to strengthen Thomas Massey.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Let's put that on the.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Screen for example, what we have here, Trump says, did
Thomas Massey sometimes refer to as rand Paul Junior because
of the fact that he always votes against the Republican Party?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Get married already? Question question? Question boy?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
That was quick, No wonder the polls have him at
less than eight percent chance of winning the election. Not true, anyway,
have a great life, Thomas and question mark. His wife
will soon find out that she's stuck with a loser.
So I mean, I think that that was a really
I don't know. I mean it's one of those where
a lot of people just looked at that are viscerally disgusted.
Thomas Massey's wife tragically died, you know of a hell

(25:44):
of his previous wife tragically died, you know, of a
health incident, and he was obviously heartbroken recently just got remarried,
and it's I mean, seemed pretty happy.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I think that's great.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know, I think most normal people were like, Wow,
that's fantastic, you know, congratulation. Even in his announcement, he
kind of made an ode, you know, to his dead.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Wife and how he misses her all the time.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I think, you know, the visceral nature in which
Trump attacked Massy is Massy. You can say whatever you
want about him. I've criticized him here before. I don't
agree with everything that the guy says, but it's like
mtg In, I believe that what he says is what
he thinks, and that's the most, right now, the biggest
differentiation in all of politics.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
And for Trump to attack him like.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
That, that pushed a lot of people the wrong way
because it's like, really, you're going to attack Thomas Massey
not only politically, but on his personal life, and then
you're going to embrace, you know, Lindsey Graham and all
of these other people who are explicitly against your so
called campaign promises. And you know, we could talk of
personal life there too, all day long if we want to.

(26:50):
It's like, who is your venom reserve for and I
think that really pushed a lot of people the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Crystal.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Let's be honest, if Trump said this about a designated
MAGA enemy, no one would have a problem.

Speaker 9 (27:04):
No one on the right would have any shit with.
No one would have And he's done it many times
of course.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we could go back like
the John McCain. God prefer my soldiers who don't get captured.
You know, I told Ted Cruz's wife was utly like
the fact that people are taking genuine issue with Trump,
like crossing a moral line here, that people on the
right are taking issue with that is a sign Number one,

(27:28):
that they hold Thomas Massey in you know, relatively high
esteem and also see him as a principled actor, right.
And number two, it's a sign of Trump's weakness again,
you know the fact that there's anyone out there saying
this was too far and this is disgusting and I
can't believe it. I mean, how many too far discussing
things Trump says and does like all the freaking time. Right,
So then it's like, okay, well why was this one

(27:50):
too far? And you know, ultimately, again, listen, Trump has
been Tray's been president twice, you almost won, you know,
the second time as well. He's been a very intelligent
political actor. So maybe we'll look back after all of
this and say, you know what, he was right. Thomas
Massey lost in the primary. Trump was able to crush him.
Marjorie Taylor Green has been marched down to the party.

(28:11):
She's got enough future. That's all still very possible at
on the table. But right now, in this moment, I
think we're seeing cracks and fishers that we truly never
seen before. And we're seeing a weakness with Trump with
his own base that we've also really never seen before.
I do want to go back to this Marjorie Taylor
Green soot because this was the one where I saw

(28:34):
the most pushback from the right on things that she's
been saying and doing, because she did that big interview
with Dana Bash, and Dana asked her, I think quite reasonably,
like Okay, well you're upset about Trump calling you a trader.
I've never seen you upset about his comments going too
far before, even though he uses that type of rhetoric
all the time, So why is it different now that

(28:56):
it's you? And leads to a pretty, you know, an
extraordinary admission for politician of like, look, I'm sorry, You're right,
you know it's a reasonable criticism and I'm sorry. Let's
take a listen to a four.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
You posted on X that President Trump is with his comments,
fueling a quote hotbed of threats against you. Obviously, any
threats to your safety are completely unacceptable, but we have
seen these kinds of attacks or criticism from the President
at other people. It's not new, and with respect, I

(29:27):
haven't heard you speak out about it until it was
directed at.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
You, Dana. I think that's fair criticism, and I would
like to say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in
the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country and
it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since

(29:53):
Charlie Kirk was assassinated, is that we I'm only responsible
for myself and my own words actions, and I am going.
I am committed, and I've been working on this a
lot lately to put down the knives and politics. I
really just want to see people be kind to one another,
and we need to figure out a new path forward

(30:15):
that is focused on the American people because as Americans, no.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Matter what side of the aisle we're on.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
We have far more in common than we have differences,
and we need to be able to respect each other
with our disagreements.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Wow, and Tiger, I wonder what you make of that,
because the whole ethos of MAGA is owned the lips
like it's never been, like some principled intellectual.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
Oh, we have these positions and we stick to them. Listen.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
There's some imaginary version of that that some think tankers
have tried to put into place, But the reality is
the core binding principle is owned the Libs. Give no
quarter to your enemies, give no quarter to anyone who
is to the left of you whatsoever. And so this
was the thing that I saw. You can tell me
if you think differently, but that she got the most pushedback, Yeah,

(31:02):
from conservatives of basically like, how dare you go on
CNN in the lions Den and you apologize to them
and right on the heels of Charlie Kirk's assassination and
you want to go and she didn't apologize to you.
There's no accountability here whatsoever. How dare you go in
and say that you're sorry for participating in toxic politics?

(31:25):
So I think this is in some ways the riskiest approaches.
You're going on the view and being very conciliatory, going
on CNN with Dana Bash and being very conciliatory.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
Here, I wonder what you make of it.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean it's it's fascinating to me because the reason,
okay for let's explain to the real reason is because
the post Charlie Kirk unity thing was, yeah, we all disagree,
but what we're going to do is we're going to
unite and we're going to get Trump administration to declare
war on Antifa or whatever, right use NSPM seven. We

(31:57):
talked about all of that. Well, she kind of had
the similar take that I did, is I was like, man, like,
we have a sick culture, we have a sick society.
It's actually really really shocking to see somebody just assassinated.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
In cold blood over their political views.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
And if we're all going to have to live together,
then there's just a simple way to get past that.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Trump's initial response, you know, I was like, oh my god,
you know, it's the worst possible type of thing. Pouring
gasoline on the fire, that's what he does. He's often
done it to his own political benefit. But I do
think I really believe that this is her genuine belief,
because she mentions the Charlie Kirk assassination, and she also
look as you said, about owning the Libs. At a

(32:37):
certain point, though, at what point does it just become
the central driving thing if you care about anything, if
you really do care about anything, you can hate liberals.
I certainly have my moments, But at a certain point,
if you have children, if you care about housing, if
you hear about econom if you care about jobs, if
you care about people's ability to simply exist in the world,

(33:00):
at what point does that just actually directly obscure all
of the things that the administration has done, is doing,
or is not addressing in those core issues.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
That's really where I thought.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
You know, the big jump point for twenty twenty five
was is a lot of people really did vote I
think not only in terms of opposition to Donald Trump,
but a lot of people didn't come out to vote,
you know, the so called swing coalitions and others who
are largely supportive Trump in twenty twenty four because I
actually thought he was going to help their life. And
I do think that we're entering, perhaps in age where
the material kind of the material outlook of your life,

(33:34):
especially if your minage.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
If you're thirty three years old, I don't think it's good.
I think it's bad.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think that if you're gen Z, if you're younger
in particular, I don't even I don't, I mean, do
any of us truly have a hope of doing better
in life than our parents did? That is the actual
American dream. People talk about it a lot, and many
people have been willing to go past that in order
to vote for something cultural, you know, twenty twenty two
as an example, even Trump. I think in a lot
of ways twenty twenty four, she's making a bet that

(34:02):
those things are becoming so bad so ever present, that
she actually wants to try and to focus on that.
And so I do think, you know, there's a commendation.
Part of the reason why I think a lot of
the Republicans are speaking out against is ultimately that is
what unites you know, much of MAGA is. Look, there's
a reason they don't talk a lot about the inconsistencies
within MAGA. There's a reason that they don't acknowledge the

(34:22):
Epstein files mentioning Trump. There's a reason they don't talk
about the corruption, let's say, of the Trump administration, or
any of the many faults you know from personnel, the
inconsistent Venezuela. A lot of the stupid and insane stuff
that they have done currently is because it's about uniting
in opposition to a different political agenda. And I think
that if you start to look at things in more

(34:44):
material views and also with a lot of the other country,
it does kind of lead you back to where Marjorie
Taylor Green is right now.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
And I do think.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Considering how that view of power has been now exercised
by the Trump administration and a lot of people projected,
it's all.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Not all that politically popular right now.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
People don't really care about owning anyone if your life
is not getting better, They.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Just don't have I have a burgeoning theory, a little
a little kernel of a theory that I'll put out
there and people can tell me what you think about this,
because honestly, I don't know enough about Facebook world to
really say for sure. But when we think of someone
being very online, we think of them largely being like
super on Twitter, right super on Twitter, and these like

(35:26):
weird podcasts, realms or whatever, like jd Vance is that
version of very very online. And we've been talking here
about increasingly since Elon purchased Twitter, it has sort of
damned the Republicans in a sense because they believe that
all their like sadistic, you know, fascist porn nonsense is
actually is way more popular than it actually is, and

(35:48):
so they've been totally out over their skis the DHS
just like Nazi posting on Maine all this kind of crap, right.
Marjorie Taylor Green is this is also very online, but
she comes down of like the Facebook boomer mom world,
which is still more which is more connected to those
like material concerns, you know, inflation and oh my god,

(36:10):
here's the prices at the grocery store. And also is
going to maybe have more of that sense of you know,
just sort of discussed at the overall at the political
system and the nastiness and the viciousness. So it's again
this is I'm flirting with this theory. I'm not asserting
it for sure, but her different orientation here and the
fact that she's been able to put to pick up

(36:32):
on some vibrations within the Republican base that other politicians
did not pick up on. And be a little bit
ahead of the curb. Maybe because she is in touch
with a different constituency than most Republican politicians have been
and that you know, the Jade Vanceys of the world are,
So that could be part of why she's positioning herself
in a different way, because the media and the content

(36:55):
she's consuming and the people that she is sort of
centering her views on, and you know, using as her
unbrumbed or for where the bases are a different group
than the kind of like elite influencers and podcasters that
many Republican politicians are much more attuned.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Toy Maybe could be online, I could just be being
in a little bit more in touch, you know, just
go talk to people, Go ask them what's what's bugging you?
You know, I talk to a lot of newer parents,
that's who've mostly been hanging out with. What are people
complaining about daycare prices?

Speaker 10 (37:25):
Right?

Speaker 3 (37:25):
They're talking about inflation, They're talking about the difficulty of
juggling things, buying a new house, interest rates.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
That dominates ninety five percent of the discussion.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
It's not even really political, but you and I both
know that is political. Whereas you know, if you're online
or if you're very on Twitter, then a lot of
it is like, oh, so, so this is how nasty
of the left, or why we have to crush them
I do. I've always said I think the Twitter thing
has been a huge problem for their I think a
lot of them are huffing their own bullshit. They're basically
the mirror image of the Biden administration. They're posting charts

(37:58):
about how well the economy is doing when every piece
of consumer sentiment data says that it's going the opposite direction.
All you have to do if you are just as
consistent as you were under the Biden administration at looking
at fundamentals for why people angry, discontent, upset, which leads
to the Trump popular vote in twenty twenty four, then
it doesn't. All you have to do is stay consistent

(38:19):
to that to see the same playbook run under Trump.
In fact, a sign that you're a hack is if
you're doing the opposite of what you said back in
twenty twenty four. So you know, maybe she's just saying
consistent with that. I have no idea what it is,
but it is noteworthy. And of course what's most noteworthy
is this is on the issue of Epstein. Turning now

(38:39):
to the issue of Jeffrey Epstein and their vote to
release the Epstein files. An extraordinary late night truth from
Donald Trump saying Republicans now should vote to release them.
Let's put it up here on the screen, as I
said on Friday night, aboard Air Force one, to the
fake news media House, Republicans should vote to release the
Epstein files because we have nothing to hide. He's not
what he said, and we'll show you that audio just

(39:00):
in a second. But he says it's time to move
on from this Democratic hoax perpetuated by the radical left
lunatics in order to deflect from the great success of
the Republican Party, including our recent victory on the Democratic shutdown.
The Department of Justice has already turned over tens of
thousands of pages to the public on Epstein. Are looking
at various Democratic operatives. Bill Clinton, Read Hoffman, Larry Summers

(39:20):
and their relationship the House Oversight Committee have whatever they
are legally entitled to.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't care exclamation.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
All I do care about is that Republicans are back
on point, which is the economy.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
So the whole point is, he just says nobody cared
about Epstein when he was alive, and if the Democrats
had anything, they would have released it before a landslide election.
Some members of the Republican Party are being used, and
we can't let that happen. Let's start talking about the
Republican Party's record setting achievements, not fall into the Epstein trap,
which is actually a curse on the Democrats, not us
make America great again. So what he's saying is, let's

(39:52):
vote to release the Epstein files because it only implicates
the Democrats. Let's not talk about the Epstein files because
if we do, it's going to distract from republic If
we do talk about them, it is actually just all
about the Democrats anyways.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
So I am completely absolved.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Also, just to be clear, one hundred percent, because people
are not making this emphatic. As of literally forty eight
hours ago, he was telling everybody, don't vote for the
Epstein files.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
His own White House brought Lauren Bobert to the White
House Situation Room to be brief by the FBI Director
and the Department of Justice, telling her please do not
sign this discharge petition. He called Nancy Mayce huge lobbying effort.
The only reason he's saying it now in giving permission
is that it looked like, at the very least fifty
and possibly up to one hundred Republicans we're going to

(40:38):
vote for the Epstein files release anyways, And so he backtracked. Originally,
here's what he said on Air Force one forty eight
hours ago.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Take a listen.

Speaker 8 (40:46):
Why was your team encouraging our Congressman Bobert Congresswoman Mace
to not perceive lest.

Speaker 7 (40:53):
We think it's bad to talk about it because it
gets away from the subject of how well the Republicans
are doing. We have the greatest economy, we have the
largest investment ever made in our countryest industry, We have
all of these great things happen. We have very little inflation,
whereas he had record set the biggest inflation in the history.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
All of these things are good.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
And when you talk about the Epstein hoax, what happens
is you're not talking about how well we've done subjects
the whole purpose behind them.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
They want to waste people's time.

Speaker 7 (41:25):
And some of the dumber Republicans like that, mister Prison
on the subjects are we going to see?

Speaker 5 (41:30):
It's mostly Democrats.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
But so there you go that that's what he said.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
So whatever he claims I as I said Republicans should
vote for it, that's not what he said.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Chris. That's yeah, showed there he got.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
This is this was one I've never seen this before.
I've never seen him get absolutely destroyed like he had
to do. This is this is w and Obama level,
like in the second term, where the base or the
Republican Party is going to take a vote against the
White House and the White House just has to eat
shit and swallow it and pretend that they supported it

(42:03):
the whole time. I've never seen this in ten years
of covering Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, no, I mean it truly is a first. They
were whipping super hard against this thing. They were threatening
Republicans that he would maybe you know, endoorse an opponent
against them. They were offering carrots, so we'll support you
in your race if you don't vote for it. I mean,
they were going all in. And then apparently what happened

(42:27):
is when they realize we're going to have mass defections here,
he thought it will appear less weak for him to
completely flip and now support Oh, of course I want
you to support releasing the files. I've always wanted that,
even though we're all like five minutes ago, remember you
being adamantly opposed on the other side of this. He
thought that would be a less weak position than watching

(42:51):
perhaps some one hundred Republicans vote against his explicit wishes. Now,
the other game that's going on here is you'll recall
that we could put B three. Let's go and jump
forward to B three and put this up on the screen.
He asked Pam Bondi to investigate the Epstein ties to
various Democrats, Reid Hoffman, Larry Summers, there's one other one

(43:15):
as well. But in any case, is like, look into
those things in the Epstein files. Not him, of course,
even though he's mentioned thousands and thousands of times just
in the emails.

Speaker 9 (43:24):
That were released last week. But don't look into that.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Just look into some of my ideological adversaries. And so,
what Thomas Massey and others who understand this process are
saying is that if there's an ongoing investigation, he could
use that, and his government could use that to say,
even if this vote goes through the House, and this
vote goes through the Senate and he signs it, that

(43:48):
those certain files. Oh, we can't release those because now
there's an ongoing and active investigation, So that may be
part of what the game that's going on here as well.
Not to mention the these files are being held by
his own government, I don't think anyone has any expectation
that they're not going to be you know, scrubbed, manipulated
pieces withheld that are unflattering to him or to his

(44:12):
ideological allies. So I think he just decided the risk
was too great on the other side and the political
damage too great on the other side of continuing to
appear like he was, you know, super guilty. Obviously from
his behavior, he looked really really guilty and then extremely
weak when a significant chunk of your own party, over

(44:32):
your active wishes, still votes for this thing. And one
more thing, Soccer here is you got to give Rocana
tons of credit here.

Speaker 9 (44:40):
This is his bill.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
This is Rocana's bill, a Democratic bill. And while Democrats
early on, you remember back when we interviewed Alyssa Slotkin,
the line coming from almost all of them was the
Epstein files are distraction. Sure we'd like to know what's
in them, but those are a distraction. We need to
be focused on the real issues affecting the American people,
like most people felt like you could do both. And

(45:03):
number two, just from a pure political standpoint, I think
Rocanna recognized, just like Marjorie Taylor Green did and Thomas
Massey did, this is a real weak spot for Trump.
This is a real problem for him, and so we
need to press on this. We need to be like
a dog with the bone on this thing and lo
and behold his insight there and his persistence to push

(45:27):
this thing and to get ideological allies on the other
side of the aisle in Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor
Green and others to stand alongside him. That is that
is causing maybe the biggest damage, the most extraordinary damage
that we have seen to Trump and his image with
his own base that you know, in the whole time

(45:48):
that he's been on the scene.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I mean, you know, part of it is also just
the extreme nature of the issue, like this is Epstein,
This is a disgusting pedophile.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
This is a guy who.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Was you know, hanging Palin around with the literally the
like the global elite. This is now a ten year
a five to six year long thing that's baked in
I think to a lot of American consciousness, especially for
newer entrance into the political spectrum. Because let's say you're
a younger person, you already know that the system is rigged.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
You hate a lot of the elites.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Then you learn about the Epstein thing, You're like, wow,
they're actually like depraved discussed they protect their own interest.
And then you see Trump, who you believed was somebody
who would speak against the system, who was revolutionary. You
promise to release those files, come in, be named in
those files, lobby at guilty, make make it so that
you know they're not going to be released, to everything
possibly in your power to try and con the American

(46:42):
people to say that there's nothing in them exactly, even
though many of the members of your administration said they
were in them.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
It's just too much, you know, for people.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's why I think this issue is the one on
which there is such a break. It's also where a
lot of Republicans they're like, look, man, people can forgive
for a lot, they can't forgive covering up pedophilia. It's
just one of those where that transcends or is supposed to,
all political lines, right, And that's part of why the
salience of this issue is so important not to mention
all of the foreign connections, including to Israel, which I

(47:11):
think is a big reason why they also don't want
most of the truth to actually come out. It's heartening
to me to see Republicans who do try and take
the Trump tack just get ridiculously attacked. Let's put this
one up here on the screen. This is be four please,
just to give you a little bit of a taste
you had Congressman Troy Nails.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
He's a very Trump sick, a fan.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
He tries to take the Trump line, he gets destroyed
in a lot of his replies. He says, I'll be
voting no on the Epstein hoax. The Democrats are using
the hoax to distract us from the winning of the
Trump administration. My message to Republican colleagues, don't let this
noise keep us from delivering on the mandate the American
people gave us. As you guys can see, he's got
over seventeen thousand replies. And look, you know, Trump is
not Twitter is not entirely real life. But if you

(47:52):
look at it, you know a lot of these are
big time Republican reply accounts that are like this is disgusting,
A single good reason not to do it. Pedophile protector,
you know, even Nancy Mace, other congressman, it says, weird
and sketchy, how you guys are acting here. You've got
a pack tracker that's all up in there. By the way,
Marjorie Taylor Green has been posting a lot of her

(48:14):
A pack tracking, you know, graphics just to show you
the a pack tracker who we had on earlier that
they say is not going to that, they say, you know,
just to show everybody how powerful they are. And now
apack is even fundraising off of the interview that we
had with a pack tracker to say that those are
the radicals that are trying to take them down.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
But you know, I just want to show people.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I think, you know, this thing with congresswoman or the
Democratic Representative Stacy Plaskett, where she was getting texts in
the middle of a hearing from Jeffrey Epstein is part
of the reason, I think is that a lot of
Americans actually do understand not just the bipartisan nature of this,
but how it really does ensnare all elites and the

(48:55):
more that Trump, who was a revolution against those elites,
appears to just be one of those people, which you
could always say maybe he was, and that's been a
lot of the critique, but to really hammer that home
in this story, that is what people find so disgusting,
you know, I think about it.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
And so let's give an example here.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Just the fulsome nature of part of the reason why
these files need to be released because they implicate so
many people, is the show that in a twenty nineteen
hearing Michael Cohen, he's testifying that Epstein is texting the
Democratic representative from the US Virgin Islands where he owns
the island, and who that island has done quite a
bit to cover up a lot of what he did

(49:34):
while he was there.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Let's watch the video and let's take a listen.

Speaker 10 (49:37):
Obama was president of the United States, and while we
were one striving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago, he
commented that only black people could live that way. Attorney
client privilege.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yes, I will turn it over you.

Speaker 11 (49:53):
As my friend mister Metto has pointed out and misled
this committee even today, in a written submission that contradicted
your testimony, you.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Have suggested you were going to have that.

Speaker 11 (50:00):
Did you review. Are you going to review it and
in our next break to correct the record?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yes or no?

Speaker 11 (50:04):
Yes, question you helped out the president's campaign or were
involved in the campaign as a representative, as a spokesman,
even in your words today, it was your idea for
the campaign dating back to twenty eleven? Is that accurate?
Yes or no?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yes, mister Weisenberg and other individuals, Miss Rona, who are
those individuals? Are they with the Trump organization? Are there
are other people that we should be meeting with? So
Alan Weisberg is the chief financial officer? Uh huh, you
got it. Quickly give us as many names as you
can because so we can get to them. Yes, man

(50:37):
is Miss Roona?

Speaker 10 (50:38):
What is Ronograph? Is the mister Trump's executive assistant?

Speaker 4 (50:43):
And would she be able to corroborate many of the
statements that you've made here?

Speaker 10 (50:46):
Yes, she was. Her office is directly next to his,
and she's involved in a lot.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I mean, how crazy is that, Crystal? You literally have
her getting live text messages from Jeffrey Epstein adding questions.
She's looking down at her phone using those questions with
Michael Cohen, and then he's praising her good work. All
of this matters. Let's be one hundred percent clar why
does it matter? Put the next one on the screen.
Julie Brown has done a great job of covering this.

(51:14):
We've covered it here as well. Some of the US
Virgin Islands corruption of that has happened with Epstein, As
she points out, she has accepted huge amounts of money
from Epstein was one of the few people who refuse
to return campaign contributions even after it was clear he
had committed a lot of the.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Crimes against girls.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
So just toget to show you all, and remember that
there were all kinds of cover ups going on in
the US Virgin Islands, including with prosecutors and others, to
stop some of the crimes in the estate from being
released out into the public. And she is at the
center of all of this. So that's the point is
this does ensnare everybody? Yeah, it is Snaire's Trump. I

(51:53):
don't personally care, you know, whether it's Snare's Trump, Democrat, whoever.
I just want the information to come out because I
do think it's so important show how depraved and discussing
the American elite is not just in their personal conduct,
but how they'll do business with anyone, and how that
person who is in this depraved you know, universe uses
it to his own ends to enrich himself and to
act on behalf of multiple foreign governments. I think that's

(52:16):
a pretty big story. I think it confirms what a
lot of people think, you know, about our system, about
our government, about the way things in power actually work.
But that's part of why Trump, who's in power, doesn't
want it to come out. So you know, you put
this stuff together, this is why it all needs to
come out. We can't have people like this in congress period,
at least that's my standard.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Now, in fairness to her, after major pushback, she did
decide to return the contributions that had come from Epstein.

Speaker 9 (52:42):
Okay, but you know the yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I mean, look, if anyone is out there watching a
program that only cares about the Epstein connections on one
partisan side or the other, like, you need to get
a new you need to get a new media habit,
because obviously, what Epstein exposes first and foremost is that
you know, these partisan differences when you talk about at

(53:06):
the elite level, oftentimes they crumble and they operate in
very similar manner. But I will say at this point,
the most important information to know is about the President
of the United States, specifically because of those foreign government
entanglements that drop Site alone effectively has been covering, in
particular with regard to his connections to Israel. We need

(53:27):
to know if the president of the United States is
compromised by Israel or by you know, there was a
Russian connection too. I'd like to know about that as well,
or any other country that may be involved. Does Trump
believe that these foreign governments have information on him that
he would not like to come out. That is a
very active question, and that is very very important and

(53:48):
central right now given the political power structure. The last
thing I'll say, just to go back to that Troy
Neils or whatever that guy's name is that put up
that embarrassing tweet about how he was going to vote
against that. What does he do now, because now Trump's
turned completely and now he says, no, I want you
to vote for the release. So this guy who completely

(54:09):
humiliated himself on Trump's behalf, out of his sycophantic nature
to bend the name, say no, no, sir, I promise
I will do the thing that you want me to
do and vote against this release. Now Trump has completely
flipped his position. So what's this dude gonna do? I mean,
it's just the level of humiliation that is going to
come for you if you try to be like a

(54:30):
good Trump foot soldier. It's this is the most routine
thing we have seen over the course of multiple Trump
administrations at this point, like, you will be humiliated, You
will be forced to defend things that are completely indefensible.
You will be made to like eat your words and
just completely cut yourself and look like the lamest, weakest
person on the planet.

Speaker 9 (54:51):
So congratulations to that guy. Way to go.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
And let's let's end with this new ad that's being
released by many of the Epstein survivors. It's being played
nationally to try and release the Epstein files and just
keep the issue salient.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Let's take a listen. I suffered so much pain, so
much pain, so much pain.

Speaker 9 (55:25):
I suffered so much pain.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I was fourteen years old. I was sixteen years old.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Was seen seventeen, fourteen years old.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
This is me, This was me. This is me when
I met Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 6 (55:40):
This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 9 (55:48):
There are about a thousand of us. It's time to
bring the secrets out of the shadows. It's time to
shine a light into the darkness.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Very powerful as you can see there.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
You know from the Epstein's brother, I think they're going
to keep this a live issue.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
It's not going away.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Any attempt by the Trump administration to try and cover
it up. Good luck to you, folks, because I don't
think that it's going to work.