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Good morning and welcome to Bring Points. Emily. How you doing,
I'm doing great.
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How is Portugal lovely? I don't doubt that quite lovely.
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Yeah, that's an evergreen statement on Portugal, Big back, big show,
Big show. Because Mohammed ben Salmon was at the White
House yesterday and in a very newsy series of pressers.
So there was the dinner that we are going to
break down for everyone, but also his parents of the
Oval Office with Donald Trump, where Trump fielded questions from reporters.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
They stroked each other's hands.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
Sure, did no fist bumps, right, yeah, no bro schow
bumps for those.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Two terrorist fist jabs? Is that what that was? That
was Obama?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
They live, they lived for the handshake.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
They lived for the handshake.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
And Ryan new Epstein reporting from drops It.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Yes, yesterday the House voted almost unanimously right to force
the administration to release Epstein files. That will now that
fight moves over to the Senate at drop Scene, drop Scene,
drops Site.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That the first time that's happened.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yes, we have new reporting.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Uh that is difficult to describe without sounding like a lunatic,
but it's all based in real documents and correspondence between
Epstein and others.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And we'll break break some of that down.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
That media continues to find it's it's blinders on when
it comes to trying to figure out what it was Epstein.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Did for a living. It's great for drops It, just
can't figure it out. It's such a mystery.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
They're leaving it wide open.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Fleot.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Let's not look in the documents and in the correspondence
to figure it out, because who can say what he did?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Who could say?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Who wouldn't want to do that level of journalism?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
We could say stick around.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We'll talk about that the economy continues to be in
a very confusing.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
State of like stasis and collapse.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
At the same time, we'll talk about new data showing
that more than half of homes are now losing value,
which is the first time that's happened since twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
We've got a home depot warning and you've.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Got places like Kava and others, you know, flashing warning
signs that the consumer economy is crumbling, new hires collapsing,
Yet the stock market booming, data centers getting built, the
AI bubble continues to inflate, so.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Who knows how that ends. We'll see.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Truly, it's another mystery, another mystery, all right. Also, be
talking about the protests in Mexico City, just Mexico City,
mostly Mexico City, breaking those down. There's been some coverage
of them that doesn't quite get it right. So we're
going to try to do a better job explaining what
the heck is going on in Mexico. And then Ryan,
we have Van Lathan on the show.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yes, Van Lathan, friend of the show, huge fan of
Breaking Points, we're huge fans of his, So he's going
to join us to talk about chi Osa, who is
launching a primary challenge to Hakeem Jeffries, and the kind
of surprising turn of events that Zoron Mamdani and AOC
are not in at all and actually kind of pushing
back like now it's not the time to challenge the
(03:39):
caucus the Democratic leader.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, so this will be a good one.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We'll bring it down.
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Plus a new ruling down in Texas that the jerrymander
there is illegal, so California redistricted and then sent it
to its voters to get make sure it was legal
in response to in response to Texas doing its jerrymander,
and now Texas court says, actually the Texas one's illegal.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Man, be funny that the Democrats will like, all right,
we're good.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Then we're gonna undo ours.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, but I don't think they're going.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
To not gonna happen.
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We'll also be joined by Nicholas Eberstadt, who is I
would argue, probably the premier researcher on young men in
the workforce or men in the workforce in general, and
we're gonna be talking with him about the plight of
young men with numbers now showing perhaps record levels of unemployment,
with this next next group of college graduates coming up
in just a few months. If you are a recent
(04:32):
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a job in this environment.
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Speaker 5 (05:07):
Ryan, let's turn to Muhammed bin Salman's visit to the
White House yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Yeah, so, back in September, Israel decided to bomb Doha,
where the where Hamas was gathered to deliberate about the
latest piece agreement that Donald Trump had sent to them.
That bombing quickly led to the United States making an
(05:33):
offer to Kutter that they would be basically a NATO
ish non NATO ally, which meant that if Israel did
that again, according to the terms of this agreement, the
US would then have to attack Israel, or if anybody
attacked Culter, we would we would attack, We would attack.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Them in response. There are now two countries that.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Have gotten non NATO agreements out of the decision by
Israel to bomb NATO, because as soon as we offered
that to Doha, everyone else.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
In the region was like, wait a minute, hold on.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
It's like when you start inviting cousins to the wedding,
like wow, this is there's gonna be a lot of
cousins getting non NATO agreement. So here's Trump last night
inviting another cousin to the wedding.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Tonight, I'm pleased to announce that we're taking our military
cooperation to even greater heights by formally designating Saudi Arabia
as a major non NATO ally, which is something that
is very important to them. And I'm just telling you
now for the first time because I wanted to keep
a little secret for tonight. I just heard him say, oh,
(06:38):
that's nice, that's another point you want today and signing
a historic Strategic Defense Agreement, which we just signed a
little while ago. So congratulations at Joe.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
And so this followed the earlier Oval Office meeting between
MBS and Trump with this kind of mutual humiliation. Ritual
though wasn't really humiliating on Trump's side, because I don't
think he's capable of humiliation, but certainly I think if
your MBS is, the entire thing was humiliating start to finish.
Yet he's going to walk out with you know, pretty
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much everything he wants, including getting exonerated for the murder
of Jamalk Shogy in it, NBS promise he's going to
do up to a trillion dollar, nice round number, trillion
dollars an investment in the United States. How are people
on the right responding to Trump making another deal with
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another country that says we will commit our American military
to defend this country also in the event of any
upcoming conflict.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Honestly, I haven't seen much reactor whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
It's like everyone right now is focused on the infighting.
There hasn't been much reaction to this major foreign policy announcement.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
This stuff is still like oiling.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It's still going.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
But I think also people see Trump, people on the
right see Trump as this like peacemaker and deal maker
exactly as he casts himself, and sort of ascribed to
him this level of trust like he knows that, you know,
the sort of attitude is he knows what he's doing,
or the postures he knows what he's doing. He's, you know,
just currying favor in a way that creates peaceful conditions.
(08:21):
And that's probably the best summary of an average person.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
On the right looking at what was happening.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Because you made an interesting point where he humiliating for MBS,
but I know we have the nine to eleven clip
that it was addressed in the Oval Officer today.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Of course, well why not? And you could argue that
you flipped this around.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
It's humiliating for the United States as well.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Complete, complete and total humiliation where we have our president
who knows better lying about whether or not the guy
killed somebody, and not just somebody an American columnist for
the resident columnists for the Watching Post.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He also is giving them a whole bunch.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Of f thirty fives and a bunch of tanks like
so like that, and that has been a big source
of contention, that has been a major desire of Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Why, like, what are they gonna do with these F
thirty five.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
It's just you're the richest country on the planet, Like,
you want what you can't have. They couldn't have f
thirty fives, so they want the F thirty five. Got
to get the thirty fives.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So Red Rider beaty gun of defense Products and.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
So an ABC News reporter pressed him on the assassination
of Koshogi, who was chopped at pieces with a bone
saw in the Saudi consulate in istanbul Let's play that
in the reaction all the way.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's not the LEAs.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
And Trump doesn't give a fist pump. I grabbed that hand.
I don't give the hell wear that hand's been. I
grabbed that. He's done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody
that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like
that gentleman that you to talking about, whether you like
him or didn't like him. Things happened, but he knew
nothing about it. And we can leave it at that.
(10:06):
You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Like journous it's really painful to hear, you know, anyone
that been losing his life for you know, no real
purpose or no, not in a legal way, and it's
been painful for us in Saudi Arabia. We've did all
the light steps of investigation, et cetera in Saudi Arabia,
(10:29):
and we've improved the whole system to be sure that
nothing happened like that. And it's painful and it's a
huge mistake, and you're doing our best that this doesn't
happen again.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
I'm very proud of the jab he's done. What he's
done is incredible in terms of human rights and everything else.
And he's the crown Prince, the future king.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Couldn't stop laughing that like he like like did he
just burst into like a wide like cheshire cat grin.
It looked like when he said he's done any credible
job with human rights, did he say that it was
a mistake that happened?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
They that they carved him into pieces.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So it is something to that. He'll let me find
the verbatim quotes.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And while you're looking for that, Bob Woodward posted last night,
He's like I interviewed Trump January of twenty twenty about
this exact thing. Trump said, I've gotten involved very much.
I know everything about the whole situation. He's talking about Koshogi.
So what happened, Sarah, I asked, I saved his ass?
Trump said, that's what happened, saved who's ass?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
MBS?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Trump said, they were coming down on him very strongly.
But I was able to get Congress to leave him alone.
I was able to get them to stop. You know,
I'm very friendly with those guys that CIA has looked
into this, Turkish intelligence has looked at as everybody who
has looked into this has concluded definitively that Saudi Arabia
(11:53):
MBS ordered the killing, that a hit squad was flown
into Istanbul. They lured him into the into that office. Uh,
they injected him with some tranquilizing device and then they
used the bone saw chopped into pieces, and they dissolved
his body and took it back to the residents.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like this is like there's this was not a mistake.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
This was not things something slipping through the cracks, and
we have this is a very long block. So I
won't lingker on my personal connection to this for too long,
but I had I had lunch with him.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
With with Koshow A couple of weeks before he was killed.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
And he was he actually because he he was writing
for the Washing Posts, but they weren't publishing his columns
very frequently, and so he wanted to start writing for
us as well so that he could publish more, Yeah,
more frequently. Because we we had we were known as
pretty adversarial too, the Kingdom of Saudi right, and and
the UAE and the other factions here.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And I actually had a friend of mine had so
he was he was in Istanbul. He then flew to
London over the weekend. My friend had lunch with him
that weekend, right before he went to the consulate, and
I said to am you sure you want to go
into the consulate. He's like, He's like, no, they have
assured me, I just need this paperwork for my wedding.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It's going to be fine.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
So he goes into the consulate with his wife and
his fiance staying outside.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
He's in there for a couple hours.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
She reaches out to a mutual friend of ours, who
then calls me and is like, Jamal has been in
the consulate now for too long, and I'm starting to
get nervous. And I did something I really haven't done
hadn't done before. I reached out to Kushner, who I
had been in touch with for stories, and I made
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sure to phrase it in a journalistic way, but I
was like hey, which it was, Yeah, Hey, Hey, Jared,
I'm hearing from Jamal's fiance that he went into the
consulate and has and has not emerged.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know, can you.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
See if you can confirm anything about this. I know
you're in touch with MBS. Maybe like to see what
you can find out about this. Got the double check
on what's app he had responded in the past, didn't
respond to this, and I sent a couple more hearing this,
hearing this, hearing this, and then we immediately started writing
stories like this that this guy's missing, went around the Senate.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You heard anything? People said, No, I hadn't, hadn't heard
anything in it.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
And then it was several days later that it finally
emerged that he'd been killed. And so I know for
certain that that Kushner know, like while it was happening
that it was happening, what he did, we don't know,
Like did he reach out to MBS and say, Hey,
there's a Washington Post columnist who went into your consulate
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and hasn't come out. What's going on with that, I
don't know, We don't know. He's never been pressed on that,
which is rather staggering. Saudi Arabia kind of laid low
for while. Nobody in Washington. Almost everybody in Washington walked
away from them. They some firms stayed, but almost all
(15:08):
the firms like dropped them, and they became a pariah
toxic for a while. Biden even in the campaign called
them a pariah. But you know, money talks, and they're
back and now they're a non NATO ally with and
Trump is doing. In some ways it's humiliating, but in
other ways, it's just a blunt way out. It's like,
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you know what we're not gonna overlook that he did
is we're just gonna deny it.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We'll be like, you know, he didn't do that, don't
embarrass our guests.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Don't embarrass our guests.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Saying that to the press right by the way, it
reminded me of when a reporter was going after Zelenski's outfit,
which is you'd to think that would fall under the
not embarrassing our guest umbrella.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
But MBS's outfit, that's not a suit, right.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yes, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
No tie.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
The NBS quote yesterday.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Was quote it's painful and it's a huge mistake.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So you're right.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
The word is exactly what was invoked quote about the journalist.
It's really painful to hear anyone that has been losing
his life for no real purpose or not in a
legal way.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
It was a mistake, you know, bureaucratic error. You know,
he wanted documents in order to make sure that he
could get married. They thought he wanted to be chopped
into pieces. These these kinds of mistakes happen.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
We should also mention Ryan that Odnan Koshogi was Jamal
Kashogi's uncle on his father's side. Is was in financial
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein as far as everyone can tell.
And I was involved in around, Yeah, was involved in
around contract. And I believe actually one of Trump's yachts
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in the nineteen eighties had originally been commissioned by Koshogi.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I think it's also true.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
That the Lady Galaine was originally was was commissioned by
Adnan Koshogi.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Wild confluence of relationships.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Yeah, and Jamal was a very highly regarded journalist, but
he was Basically he didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He wasn't. Let's not pretend that.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
He was like some like hardcore champion of freedom and
democracy and human rights. He was allied with MBNO, who
was NBS's rival, and MBS. NBN was actually closer to
the CIA. MBS was closer to the UE, and they
and Israel, and they managed to like jump over MBN
(17:36):
and make MBS the Crown Prince, and that put Koshogi
on the outs. So this was we're talking about an
kind of inter royal family factional dispute here more than
we're talking about something on principle. Although once he what
you find is that dissidents will use the arguments that
are useful to them, of course, and so he would
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make the arguments those arguments on behalf of values of
liberalism and freedom right.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
And Trump of course is not a novice in the space.
He has been involved in these types of deals and
relationships going back quite a long time. Interesting that it
was also happening against the backdrop of the Epstein file release,
which we will get to in one moment as well.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
So speaking about freedoms, Donald Trump responded to this exchange
about the killing of an American journalists by telling the
American journalists who asked about it that maybe they should
have their license revoked for asking about it.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Let's roll this one one week.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
For Congress to release the Epstein files. Why not just
do it as well. It's not the question that I mind,
it's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter.
It's the way you ask these questions. You start off
with a man who's highly respected asking him a horrible
inch bordinate and just a terrible question. And you could
(19:04):
even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched.
Somebody psychs you over at ABC, you're gonna psycho. You're
a terrible person and a terrible reporter. I'll tell you something.
I think the license should be taken away from ABC
because your news is so fake and is so wrong.
(19:27):
And we have a great commissioner, a chairman who should
look at that.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Maybe Barry Weis could run ABC too, How about that.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I don't know if that merger would get approved, but hey,
probably not.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Why not BC? There you go, it's called broadcasting.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Yeah, Barry broadcasting BBC, and she can take over the
BBC because of the controversy that they're having over.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
There with Trump too.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're coming up with all this lusus.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You can have them all.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, I mean we should just let you run the media.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Barry's got it under control. So speaking of embarrassing the
guests awkward. But he got pressed on Saudi Arabia's role
in nine to eleven. Also, let's roll that one.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
I feel painful about, you know, the families of ninety
eleven in America, But you know, we have to focus
on reality. Reality based in SII documents and based on
a lot of documents that Ladin he used Saudi people
and that event for one main purpose is to destroy
this relation, to destroy the American Saudi relation. That's the
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purpose of ninety eleven. So whoever buying that, that means
they are helping Osama. The Ladin purpose of destroying this relation.
He know that strong relation between America and Saudi Arabia.
It's bad for extremism, it's bad for tourism. And we
have to approve him wrong and to build our relation,
to continue to work to our relation. It's a critical
in the safety of the world. It's a critical against
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extremism and terrourism.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Strike you as an innocent man, there just hands totally clean.
He's what he was saying. It's bad for tourism. That's
a good one.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
It was for a little while. Well no, actually it
was nine.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I guess certainly because showy killing was bad for tourism
for a little while.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean, he's not comedy fests. And that's right, it's
all back.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Trump also made an argument that I guess his tariffs
are making America great again because Saudi Arabia is investing
heavily in the United States to build its manufacturing base.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Let's roll a five.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
Many eights and technology and AI and materials, magnet, et cetera.
That would create a lot of You are doing that.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Now you're saying to me now that the six hundred
billion will be one.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Treading definitely because what we are signing it to a
facility that and like.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
No, that's great, that's I appreciate that. That's great. It's no.
We're doing numbers that nobody's ever done. And it all fairness.
If you didn't see potential in the US, you wouldn't
be doing it.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Definitely, you don't want to lose money.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
We use tariffs to bring all this money in, and
you're going to see the results in a year when
these plants start to open up. We have more plants
under construction now than at any time in the history
of our country. And these are big plants. These are
the biggest plants anywhere in the world.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And the backdrop here is that Trump has been pressuring
Saudi Arabia to normalize relations with Israel. Saudi Arabia has
continued to say, you've got to give us something on
Palestinian statehood.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
We cannot do it without it.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Roll a little bit of the exchange on the Abraham
accurts here at say six.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
Having a good tradition with all of thesecent countries a
good thing, and we want to be part of the Brimaco.
But we want also to be sure that secure a
cleeve path of two state solution. Today we have a
henity discussion with mister President that we've got to walk
on that to be sure that we can prepare the suition.
It's a little as possible to have that.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
I think we're you know, I don't want to use
the word commitment, but we've had a very good talk
of the Abraham Accords. We talked about one state, two state,
you know, we talked about a lot of things in
a short period of time. We'll be discussing and further too.
But I think you have a very good feeling for
the Abraham.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
A course, just deflims the president who want peaceful there's
three das. We want peaceful, the Prestinians, we want them
to co exist peaceful in the region. We would do
all of this to reach that day and agreement on
that we pretty much.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Have so as you can hear from him even the
second time that Trump says like you've got a really
warm feeling towards the Abraham Accords, though right he was like, well,
as long as there's peace and co existence with the Palestinians,
like that is still for domestic and regional reasons, a
line that MBS is not able to cross. I think
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MBS personally like, if it were up to him, he
doesn't care.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
He'd be happy to.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Join the Abraham Accords and strike a endless you know,
business and political deals with Israel and just ignore the
fact of the Palestinians. But he just he knows that
you that he cannot do that. He just he doesn't
have it. The regional, the regional and domestic politics just
simply won't allow it.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
And if you're just listening to this, by the way,
and you're seeing the clips, what you're missing is Trump
literally slapping MBS on the knee. They were playing with
each other's hands at one point because they went in
for a fist bump, but Trump said he doesn't do
fist bumps. It was a level of friendliness that you
would rarely see it between a president and any foreign leader,
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let alone the Crown Prince of Saddi Arabia.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It's in his friendliness in it, but it's also Trump's
kind of little ribbing bullying style that he has because NBS,
as you can tell, is a very awkward figure, and
so Trump kind of slapping him and pushed him around.
It's like he knows he's kind of pushing MBS out
of his comfort zone a little bit, and it's it's
(24:59):
kind of an alpha dog thing that he's doing.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Oh, that's interesting. That's an interesting psychological READI that's my reading.
That is interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Though.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Now they had this this dinner last night. Did you
see this where Cristiano Ronaldo was there?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yes, I heard that he heard that he was there, and
that the dinner is where they announced that they're going
to become a major non NATO ally right.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah. Trump rolled out that announcement.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
He had horses for him, what had of camels? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
What else would you do? But yes, that's that was
announced just last night. Trump made it clear that's where
we were going with the relationship. And this was I
mean again, you can understand why. But it was a
packed dinner. Elon Musk was there, Ronaldo, a lot of
money there, Cabinet officials, Howard Latinik, those types of people.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yes, lots and lots of money there.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Red carpet was rolled out to say the least for
MBS yesterday.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
So a good friend of MBS's, by the way, was
a financier and sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was
the subject of a vote yesterday in the House of Representatives.
We can roll a Marjorie Taylor Green, who has now
been denounced by President Trump, embraced by some Democrats, held
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a press conference with Epstein victims outside of Congress.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Here's Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
I was called a trader by a man that I
fought for five no actually six years for and I
gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first
selection without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary,
and I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,
(26:47):
for the policies and for America first. And he called
me a trader for standing with these women and refusing
to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me
tell you what a ch is. A trader is an
American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is
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an American that serves the United States of America and
Americans like the women standing behind me. And I want
to tell you that this only became possible today because
the American people, whom we serve as representatives here in Congress,
demanded that this vote happened, and they put more pressure
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on every single elected politician in this city than has
ever been put on them. And today you are going
to see probably a unanimous vote in the House to
release the Epstein files. But the fight, the real fight,
will happen after that.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So I think, Emily, that that's true that the public
did put enormous pressure on these representatives, including by electing
autoly Do Rhalva, and you know, getting two hundred and
eighteen signatures on the discharge petition and forcing Trump's hand
to the point where he said, you know what, just
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everybody should just vote for at this point.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (28:19):
You think like that this was a real kind of
a rare dub for the people.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I mean, I absolutely think so.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
People may remember before the August recess on this show,
I covered talking to a bunch of Republican congressmen on
the Hill.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
It was just a couple of days before recess, and
I was asking.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Them, are you expecting to get questions about Epstein? Because
at the time Trump's line and he's still using this
now to some extent, but his lene was this is
all a distraction, This is a Democrat hoax to get
you to, you know, not focus on the one big,
beautiful bill and all of that. And I actually didn't
get that response from Republican congressman that I talked to,
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who were saying, no, we fully expect to hear from
our stituents about Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
And so I think that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I think Trump learned that it wasn't going anywhere, the
issue wasn't going anywhere. He saw that could not control
the people like Marjorie Taylor Green going all over media it.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Just would not die away. And I think Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Believed he had more control over the base, and he
does have a lot of control over the base, but
this is an issue that just absolutely embodies what people
see as the swamp and you can't kind of hand
wave it away. And so while people may be willing
to like bend over backwards and exonerate Donald Trump and say.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well, he's you know, he's.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Nothing to do with Epstein, they are not willing to
do that with Epstein overall, say go away, like this
doesn't matter. And so I think genuinely they're Republicans realized
it wasn't just Marjor Taylor Green going on, you know,
all like the view. It was actually also that you
had Congressman saying we're going to have to vote for
(30:03):
the discharge petition. We can't be voting against this discharge petition.
And I think when Trump realized where the numbers were going,
it was a cost benefit analysis. Who's like, well, the
cost of whatever comes out is worth the benefits of
these guys of having to take the vote at this point.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Yeah, and for Trump to hold on this long really
makes you wonder like, what is he worried about is
in there? Because he knows better than anybody that for years,
the Republican base was told the world government is being
run by a secret cabal of predator pedophiles.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Then you catch one.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
And you're told, well, never mind, right, Like that's not
going to fly.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Right, no, no, And it didn't.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
If you hadn't spent years telling them that they were
run by a cabal of pedophiles. Then maybe you catch
one pedophile who's in the cabal and you can get
away with like nevermind, just a hoax, Let this one
go right, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we will
pull on this string.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
And what I I mean that the incentive, the explanation
for why you have democratic presidents and Republican presidents during
the swamp presidents and whatever the Biden presidency was defending
or pushing back on disclosure, is because the one incentive
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that ties them together is protecting the intelligence community. And
so that explains I think the reluctance on both of
their parts. I mean, it's not just Bill Clinton and
Donald Trump having friendly relationships with Jeffrey Epstein. It's something
deeper than that, which is why I also think Trump realizes,
and I say this with no pleasure at all, but
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that they have some amount of control over what is
actually going to be released.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
He controls the.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Government right now. And yeah, I don't know if you
agree with this or not. Seems to me anything that
would actually function as a smoking gun where you have
Jeffrey Epstein in writing saying I trafficked girls as blackmail
to change foreign policy and make money in the process. Like,
if you have that in writing, it has been destroyed
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or it will not be released.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Or it's been unlived. The person who could say that
has been un alive, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And so it's obvious that you can.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Then other person who could say that is getting kid
glove treatment now in minimum security prison.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
There you go, And so the Epstein story is not
going away. So there's two possibilities.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
You can either look like your for disclosure or you
can look like you're for stonewalling.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
But those are the only two options.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, and so speaking of stonewalling, one method they're going
to use is, well, this is all a matter of
national security. So let's roll speaker Mike Johnson.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Here, d oj or.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
The FBI has already reviewed it, and determined it is
not credible. It is fall information. Doing this and requiring
this to come out could ruin the reputations of completely
innocent people, such as those who have may just have
known Epstein but knew nothing of his crimes, or whose
names he exploited. Think of this, innocent people whose names
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he exploited and used to try to get close to
his intended victims. Their names may be in these files
and they had nothing to do with this, and so
by just haphazardly releasing it, you're going to destroy their reputations.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I mean, look, I think it is fine to say
just because your name is in these emails does not
mean that you are a bad person. In fact, I
don't know if you've noticed this. My former colleague Akbar Ahmed,
his name was in an exchange between Bannon and Epstein,
(33:51):
but it was I think Bannon was sending an article
that Okbar had written at the Hovin Post and Epstein
and said that sounds like his name, sounds like an
SNL skit, and Bannon replied, quote very gay Pakistani.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So look he's in there. He's in there.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
I told him he should put that on a T shirt. Yes,
but that doesn't mean that he was involved in the
predator ring. There's plenty of names in there of people
who were innocent. And if that's if that's you don't
worry about it. You're you're gonna be fine. Like it's
it's only if you're connected to the crimes. Like a
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lot of people's names, a lot of people have had
some problems. You know that they've gotten attention that they
haven't wanted because they've been in these emails. Larry Well,
but Larry Summers was like not cheating on his wife. Okay,
that's between consenting adults. Fine, whatever, He was favorably treating
(34:53):
a top Chinese Communist Party official who was a key
like royal figure in this CCP with with power over
the belt and wrote initiative in order to get in
his daughter's pants like that, So that becomes an actual
matter of public concern because he's trading US policy or
(35:15):
whatever levers he has in order for his own personal gain.
So that that so that we can say that we
can be disgusted by and sorry, Mike Johnson, that that
your friend Larry Summers is going to suffer a little
bit because of this, Like maybe he shouldn't have done
those things, and so I think this like this thing
(35:36):
from Johnson and everybody else but both parties was doing it.
Think of the innocent people, like, no, the innocent people
are the ones that were behind Marjorie Taylor Green outside
of Congress, the victims of Epsteine.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Then innocent people.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
If if your name is in those emails and you
didn't do anything wrong, fine, But if your name is
in the emails and you were trading, you know your
power as a US official to try to sleep with
a Chinese Communist Party officials daughter, and sorry, if that's
going to cause you a few days of bad press,
well there was also and maybe you the open AI
board meeting for you next time is a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
It's I mean, there will be quote unquote innocent people.
I mean, if you were running in these circles at
all and you had any possibility of having your name
come up, even if it was in the most innocent
of way, like at minimum, it will be a headache.
So I'm sure people are expecting a headache, maybe legal headache,
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and then maybe in their own personal lives, like there
was the department store air family who he was the
one who said, Jeffrey helped me.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Here.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Is he a hooker? Is she a hooker? Did you
see that? That was a good one. So obviously he
was exposed. Maybe his wife already knew it, maybe not,
but he.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Was exposed for his adultery. So that's probably probably more
to come. And I would hope that everyone is relatively
judicious as they go through the files and journalists reach
out for comment and all of that. But I think
Ryan generally correct that if you didn't do anything wrong,
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you should be able to explain what exactly happened, why
you were in this conversation, why your name came up.
Maybe you're a journalist whose article was being passed around.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
There you go. Just have to have faith in the truth.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Meanwhile, we didn't want to let the show pass without
one of the funniest headlines that we've ever seen. We
put up the next Element headline, Jared Kushner invited Jeffery
Epstein's a party with Trump and Harvey Weinstein in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Hell of a party that would have been.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, Well, this was for The New York Observer, and
so it was an invitation from the company he.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Used to own. The New York Observer newspaper. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Yeah, and they put Kusher and his business partner's name
on the bottom of it.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
But the guest list was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
It was like Blake Lively, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
It was like celebrities, New York people.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It was like to celebrate the anniversary of their New
York Observer in New York if I'm remember incorrectly, But.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, that's that happened.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It's just whatever, because it's like Trump and Harvey Weinstein
have been partying with.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Celebrities for decades.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
Yeah, Trump has been a celebrity just because he hangs
out with famous people up until he became president. Like
there was no reason why he was a celebrity. It's
a real estate developer, Like, what's going on here? But
he hung out. He was famous, so he hung out
with famous people. Weinstein famous hung out with famous people,
and Epstein was at the center of Epstein seems to
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be one of the best connected people on the planet
from what we can tell from his emails, So would
not be surprising in twenty thirteen, if you're Jerry Kushner
that you'd want to invite to this thing bearing in mind,
this is four years after his conviction for the underage prostitution.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
So it shows you that what types.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Of things these elite circles are willing to overlook and bran.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
As we now talk about new drop site reporting, I
do want to say that the estate emails, in addition
to the hacked emails that you all have been working
through at drop Site, expose so plainly in ways that
I think normally you have to like dig deep into
the annals of history books to fully wrap.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Your head around. And a lot of it is, you know, Cold.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
War history that we see up close, like we're seeing
right now in these emails, just the plain casual, banal
corruption and geopolitical maneuvering from the emails over emails that
are riddled with typos and unserious grammatical effort, and it's
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just all there for us to see, and it's it
is really dry.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
It's jarring.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I mean, it's not surprising, but just seeing it up
close in writing is jarring.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
Yes, if you're somebody who's curious about how this world
really works, the release of all these documents has been
a gift in that sense because it really does open
a window into into a world that is.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Intended to be kept away.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
From the public of the people who are actually making
the decisions that shape that shape the world that we
live in. And we have you know, we have one
of those stories at drop Site News yesterday. We can
put this almost going to recommend everybody go read this
if you can. Uh, headline makes you sound like a
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crazy person. Jeffrey Epstein pursued Swiss Rothschild Bank to finance
Israeli cyber weapons empire.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Uh, and yeah, let's poster that.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
I was like, as as we're doing the reporting, you
report what you have, not what you want. And as
we're going through it, I'm like, could he have used
a bank.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Other than ross Child, any other bank? It's like he's.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
Trying to make us look like lunatics. The ross Childs
were for centuries, you know, major financiers in Europe. They
really faded over the last you know, decades and century plus,
but are still still a dominant financial institution in France
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and in Switzerland in particular, and particularly in Switzerland, they
are among a bunch of banks that were in fact
under investigation by the Department of Justice for their willingness
to engage in the kind of secrecy that is very
helpful to people who are moving drugs, moving weapons, working
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with sanctioned individuals to finance projects. And Fstein worked with
all all of those kinds of people, and so this
is the kind of bank that is very helpful to them.
So I'll go through just some of the reporting here,
But eleven days before Epstein was found dead, there was
(42:13):
this report in Bloomberg that he had met with Arion
de Rothschild, who is now the CEO of the Edmund
de Rothschild Group, which is the basically what the bank
is called.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Now.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
At the time, the bank is like, it's not true,
they had no relationship. Since then, there's been some Wall
Street journal reporting on their relationship that showed that actually
there was a little bit of a relationship that so
that wasn't quite accurate. What we can show is that
the relationship was very, very deep, and just how deep
we'll have some follow up reporting as well, but for now,
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what we can say is that.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
When Ahud Barak.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Left as a Minister of Defense and ISRAE in twenty thirteen,
he immediately was sought out by European banks as kind
of a rain maker, Like they knew that he was
going to start working with oligarchs all over the world
to set up companies, and they wanted to be in
the middle of that stream, and so he cuts a
deal with he was Julius bear Bank and Epstein then
(43:20):
quickly hears from somebody at the Roschild Bank saying, just
saw that Ahood Barack was scooped up by this competitor.
Too bad, because we actually would have liked to work
with him, Which shows you a bunch of different things,
one of which the banking world knew at that time
that if they wanted to reach out to Ahud Barak,
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who was foreign Prime Minister of Israel, for some type
of relationship, the guy to go through was Jeffrey Epstein.
At the same time, we report that Epstein that Rothschild,
because they were facing this Department of Justice investigation, needed
new council. He went out and found an attorney for them,
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like on behalf of the Rothschild Bank. He reached out
to Katherine Rumler, who was a top lawyer in the
Obama administration, and she ended up representing the bank, and
that is a matter of public record. She negotiated a
non prosecution agreement.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
She's at Goldman now.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
And she was also in these conversations that Michael Wolfe
has released where there's a public relations strategizing bull session
basically between Steve Bann and Michael Wolfe, Jeffrey Epstein and Katherine.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Rumler right right, And so you know she was also
Epstein also connected her with Gates when Epstein was trying
to build basically he was trying to Epstein it seems
like he was trying to take over the Giving Pledge
and like move it into a new donor advised fund
and be the be the man behind the strings that
never really completely got off the ground. What he what
(44:56):
the so, so then Epstein ends up connect Barack and
Arion de Rothschild. And we have some just absolutely wild
quotes in here, and we can put up some of
these while I'm talking. You can just kind of roll
through the different elements of emails and people can pause
on those and and read them.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
But so, in one of the notes.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Epstein writes to ahu Barack a message from Arion de
Rothschild where he says, and he's so he's basically paraphrasing
Arian he says. She says to ahud If Ahood wants
to make serious money. He will have to build a
relationship with me, take time so that we can truly
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understand one another unquote. And so then Barack says he's
going to defer to Epstein, and you're gonna love why.
I'm ready, he wrote, but I need your advice. Read
how Ladies is.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Your FORTE can't argue that.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
He then he then gives him some some advice that
is actually, you know, pretty decent. He's like, just be
dependable and reliable and you know, show up when you're
supposed to show up and uh, and this this.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Will work for her.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
And so they they spend the next couple, you know,
months and years kind of building this relationship. What Epstein
basically wants to do is to create a fund of
funds that will allow that will create a vehicle that
will allow all sorts of money from outside to flow
through the Swiss Bank and then finance ahu Barack's you
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know growing empire of cyber weapons companies, which you know,
they don't call cyber weapons when they're talking to directly
to ross Child, but when they're talking to each other,
they they they're talking about offensive cyber operations. And read
the story to get all the different you know, details
of it, but Rock over the years does end up
(47:02):
building you know, some of the key critical cyber technology,
both offensive and defensive that exists today and including uh,
some of the companies that are everywhere in the entire
backbone of of our of our internet today. So this
it's like it's hard to overstate just how influential you know,
(47:23):
Epstein and Brock were and building kind of the cyber
world that we have today.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You look up guard Corps or Akamai.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
So guard a Corps was a company that was later
acquired by Akamai a just a k a m Ai
and has since been integrated into basically the big the
world's largest no content delivery system. Like, so they're they're like,
they got their stuff in everywhere and they're constantly working,
you know, with the Israeli intelligence apparatus, which is incubating
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all of these ideas and then they flow up too
and then you know, financed and kind of developed then
by Epstein, and so they've really made our world in
a significant.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Way, and they're doing it again just so casually over
their emails.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, and what's interesting is that.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
In the emails sometimes he will say this is too
hot for email, I know, would you call me? So
what we're able to report now is just what he
was willing to talk about on email. He knew that
he was. He's like, this is an open email. We
can't talk about X so all this other stuff he's
fine talking about. So it's like so they're like, okay,
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what was he doing on those calls? And what was
he doing in person? He's like that we need to
talk about this in person, and that'll be the subject
I think of some of our future articles here, because
there are ways that you can piece together what he's
been up to.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I mean, what you guys are already doing with that
is incredible.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
And it's one other piece and then go ahead. Meanwhile,
child also had a tax problem going on right right
in Israel, Yeah, which Epstein you know, helped her navigate
as well. Right, So that's people are like, what does
this guy do? Like this, he's doing this kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
And Barack was doing this on a Gmail. If I'm
not mistaken, Larry Summers was doing this on a Gmail.
It's all going back and forth on.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
A bolt on an AOL.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, I mean it's just remarkable.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
For first of all, how stupid that is, but also
to see how cavalier they are about not national security,
literally global security and just they're going around making money
off of a change in the world like it's nothing.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
It's the drop site.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Reporting has been an incredible window and you guys are
adding a lot of great context to make it easy
to digest too. So if you're not reading this stuff,
you absolutely have to be Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Go enjoy it, go get it.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Yeah, yep, you don't enjoy it like oh Jesus wo
but man, and some of the money did come through,
but we don't know exactly for what, but there was
a twenty five million dollar investment that Epstein was able
to get through involving Roth's child.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
We're still piecing all of this together. So yeah, wild stuff,
wild wild stuff.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
Meanwhile, there is a video going around that is going
absolutely viral that we didn't want to pass up a
chance to make sure that you saw. It's from the
Congress of the Jewish Federation of North America recently, and
it's liberal Obama speech writer Sarah Hurwitz talking about the
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twin problems that are she believes fueling anti Semitism, and
she believes it is social media that is showing people
pictures of quote carnage in Gaza, and also a Holocaust
education that is taught people that it is wrong when big,
(51:04):
powerful forces are aggressive towards the week. Just an incredible
two minute clip that I think you're going to watch
the entirety of and then Emily and I will discuss
for a moment, go ahead and roll this.
Speaker 11 (51:18):
I think that since October seventh, but really before then,
there have been huge shifts in America on how people
think about Jews in Israel, and I think that is
especially true of young people. So we are now wrestling
with a new I think generational divide here and I
think that's particularly true in that social media is now
our source of media and this. It used to be
(51:39):
that the media you got in America was American media,
and it was pretty mainstream. You know, it generally didn't
express extreme anti Israel views. You had to go to
a pretty weird bookstore to find global media and fringe media.
But today we have social media, which is a global medium.
It is shaped, its algorithms are shaped by billions of
(52:00):
people worldwide who don't really love Jews. And so while
in the nineteen nineties, you know, a young person probably
wasn't going to find Al Jazeera or someone like Nick Fuentes.
Today those media outlets find them. They find them on
their phones. It's also this increasingly post literate media, less
and less text, more and more videos. So you have
(52:20):
TikTok just smashing our young people's brains all day long
with video of carnage and Gaza. And this is why
so many of us can't have a sane conversation with
younger Jews because anything that we try to say to them,
they are hearing it through this wall of carnage. So
I want to give data and information and facts and arguments,
and they are just seeing in their minds carnage. And
(52:42):
I sound obscene, And you know, I think unfortunately, the
very smart I think bet that we made on Holocaust
education to serve as anti Semitism education in this new
media environment, I think that is beginning to break down
a little bit, because you know, hal cost education is
absolutely essential. But I think in maybe confusing some of
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our young people about anti Semitism because they learn about big,
strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews, and they think, oh,
anti Semitism is like anti black racism, right, powerful white
people against powerless black people. So when on TikTok all
day long they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians,
it's not surprising that they think, Oh, I know, the
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lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight
the big, powerful people hurting the weak people.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
All right, So, Emily, where do you where should we
Where do we even start with this argument? My worldview
is being rejected because people are seeing images of.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Carnage, people are seeing facts.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
And because people have been taught that it is wrong
when a powerful force uses its power to annihilate a
weaker people, and you can. So therefore, it's not my
worldview that needs to change. Isn't that we should end
the carnage, We should end the Holocaust education, and we
(54:06):
should make sure that we can kill social media so
people don't see the images like, yes, that's.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
The death rattle of the gatekeepers. I mean, this clip
in a nutshell is the death rattle of the gatekeeper.
She is truly upset that people have access to information
that previously she feels the gatekeepers were able to keep out,
which is also somewhat wrong. Her idea that you used
to have to go to a weird bookstore to get
your hands on anti Israel information. You go ahead, walk
(54:32):
into Barnes and Noble and pick up your Chomsky.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
But also what she's really lamenting is the lack of
control that the gatekeepers used to have to push people out.
And it's it's convenient for her to just chalk that
up to funtes or left wing critics of Israel, but
it's obviously going well beyond fringe figures, and it's not
(54:58):
fringe and be considered fringe to oppose what just happened
to Gazo over the last couple of years. But she
wants to actually relegate those views to the fringes and say, well,
this is just craziness, But now it's mainstream because the
crazies are mainstream, as opposed to now it's mainstream because
people had access to different information that you previously were
(55:20):
able to gatekeep.
Speaker 6 (55:21):
Yeah, the only line of hers that made any sense
to me was when she said I sound obscene, and
to me she does so wildline, she does sound obscene,
And what I don't understand is how.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
She can't see it.
Speaker 6 (55:35):
I don't understand this complaint about social media after October
seventh and every day up until the seasfire. Now, now
they're a handful of you know, fewer than ten usually
Palestinians being killed every day by Israel. You had about
an average of one hundred Palestinians killed every single day
(55:58):
after October seventh for two plus years, and eighty plus
percent ninety plus percent. We're going by Israeli data here
that gets leaked out civilians. They have smartphones in Gaza,
they're able to they're able to share footage every day
of the many dozens, the scores of people, up to
(56:21):
a hundred or more every day being killed in Gaza.
How is that social media's fault? Like, what is social media?
What is TikTok or Instagram? I know what they want
them to do.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
She's just not.
Speaker 5 (56:34):
Skinny Palestinians as though that's some type of aberration. Right,
that there was people seeing skinny Palestinians was misleading because
it makes you think Palestinians are starving.
Speaker 4 (56:45):
That seems to be her.
Speaker 6 (56:46):
Point, right, So Israel wants to cut off food from
getting in. Everybody loses weight and Gaza that gets the
images of that are shared with the world. It's so
hard for me to get my mind to a place
where you don't say, okay, So we should actually let
(57:07):
let food in so people aren't starving. We should stop
killing civilians so that we stop seeing images of civilians
being killed.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
Instead, we need.
Speaker 6 (57:19):
To buy TikTok yes, like we need to shut down
the ability of people to share these images.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
And then but then the second minute of.
Speaker 6 (57:28):
It is the most mind bending, where she says it
was smart of us to lank anti Semitism and Holocaust
education because we talked about the Nazis and what they did,
and everybody understood that that was bad. But now we
need to dial that back because we look like the Nazis.
(57:50):
That thinking to me is just I can't it's incomprehensible.
I can't get there, rather than her saying, we're starting
to look like the Nazis in the framework that we
have set up with this education, So let's stop doing that.
(58:12):
Let's not bomb these apartment buildings, Let's not bomb a
tense city, like, let's not displace two million people and
then bomb them in their tents. Let's not do that,
because even if you don't care about the people themselves,
it looks really bad.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
You're being way too logical, way too logical.
Speaker 6 (58:32):
So you're going to dial back, And okay, you can
dial back holocaust education all you want. People as human
beings understand that if a big, powerful force is bombing
unarmed people in their tents, that is wrong. You don't
actually need education to understand that. You understand that as
(58:53):
a human. In fact, almost all animals understand that, not
just humans in the animal kingdom, when animals like give
themselves up oftentimes that that animal instinct devour them evaporates.
Like you know, when two dogs are fighting, if the
dog gives up and exposes its belly in its neck,
(59:14):
the other dog will back off. That those dogs did
not need education.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
To get there.
Speaker 6 (59:22):
It's a it's not just a human impulse. It's it's
across the animal kingdom for the most part. And so
you can go ahead and root out holocaust education all
you want. People are still going to understand that if unarmed,
innocent civilians are being bombed intense that's wrong, and the
people doing the bombing are wrong and should be prosecuted
in jailed.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Everyone's going to understand that.
Speaker 5 (59:45):
Some background on Sarah Hurwitz. She is a very sort
of mainstream democratic establishment figure. She was appointed by Barack
Obama to the US Holocaust Memorial Council right before the
end of his second term, right before Donald Trump took office.
Tried he from Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, General Wesley Clark.
John Kerry goes back to the early Odes, but has
(01:00:07):
done the tour of kind of normy centrist Democrats over
the last couple of decades.
Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
So totally like I feel like I know her a
little bit, like she would be in my circles, like
and I'm sure like outside of this is like a
lovely person.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Wow, It's like what is what is?
Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
What has what has broken in your brain to get
to a place where you think the problem is not
what's happening.
Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Or that it's okay to say that aloud. I mean
to say it aloud like you have a moral authority.
Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
And as she was saying it felt like a thought
out It felt like a structured comment, not like an
offhanded remark that you make on a panel.
Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
She felt smart and righteous for saying, Yes, I.
Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Think she had developed these thoughts, yes, planned them out,
and she's like, this is this is what I'm this
is what I'm going to talk about. Yeah, and this
is a useful thing that contribute.
Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Well, just as a reminder, like, increasingly the way elites
are going to talk about people who disagree with them
are as people with alternative facts who occupy different narrative silos,
And you know, it's going to be very patronizing, Like
it's not your fault, you're just getting bad information. You
can't be expected to know the truth when TikTok leads
(01:01:24):
you in this direction or when social media is pushing
you this way or that way, because we have no control.
And so that's increasingly going to be the way that
they treat just you me, normal people who have different
opinions than them, and viewers listeners who have different opinions
from them. Is you just occupy a different narrative silo
(01:01:45):
and you can't be expected.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
To know the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
Like I know, I mean, I have been a speech writer,
my goodness for two decades, Like I know what's actually
going on here. But you, the poor average American who
is being confronted with crazy YouTubers. Uh, you know, we
just need to fix the system of information delivery delivery.
Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
Maybe that'll work, I do, Like I would suggest stop
the killing starvation. Yeah, so nobody cares what I think, though,
well some people do.
Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I don't think Sarah does.
Speaker 8 (01:02:31):
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How is Portugal lovely? I don't doubt that quite lovely.
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Yeah, that's an evergreen statement on Portugal, Big back, big show,
Big show. Because Mohammed ben Salmon was at the White
House yesterday and in a very newsy series of pressers.
So there was the dinner that we are going to
break down for everyone, but also his parents of the
Oval Office with Donald Trump, where Trump fielded questions from reporters.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
They stroked each other's hands.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
Sure, did no fist bumps, right, yeah, no bro schow
bumps for those.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Two terrorist fist jabs? Is that what that was? That
was Obama?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
They live, they lived for the handshake.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
They lived for the handshake.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
And Ryan new Epstein reporting from drops It.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Yes, yesterday the House voted almost unanimously right to force
the administration to release Epstein files. That will now that
fight moves over to the Senate at drop Scene, drop Scene,
drops Site.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That the first time that's happened.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yes, we have new reporting.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Uh that is difficult to describe without sounding like a lunatic,
but it's all based in real documents and correspondence between
Epstein and others.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And we'll break break some of that down.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
That media continues to find it's it's blinders on when
it comes to trying to figure out what it was Epstein.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Did for a living. It's great for drops It, just
can't figure it out. It's such a mystery.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
They're leaving it wide open.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Fleot.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Let's not look in the documents and in the correspondence
to figure it out, because who can say what he did?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Who could say?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Who wouldn't want to do that level of journalism?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
We could say stick around.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We'll talk about that the economy continues to be in
a very confusing.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
State of like stasis and collapse.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
At the same time, we'll talk about new data showing
that more than half of homes are now losing value,
which is the first time that's happened since twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
We've got a home depot warning and you've.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Got places like Kava and others, you know, flashing warning
signs that the consumer economy is crumbling, new hires collapsing,
Yet the stock market booming, data centers getting built, the
AI bubble continues to inflate, so.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Who knows how that ends. We'll see.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Truly, it's another mystery, another mystery, all right. Also, be
talking about the protests in Mexico City, just Mexico City,
mostly Mexico City, breaking those down. There's been some coverage
of them that doesn't quite get it right. So we're
going to try to do a better job explaining what
the heck is going on in Mexico. And then Ryan,
we have Van Lathan on the show.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yes, Van Lathan, friend of the show, huge fan of
Breaking Points, we're huge fans of his, So he's going
to join us to talk about chi Osa, who is
launching a primary challenge to Hakeem Jeffries, and the kind
of surprising turn of events that Zoron Mamdani and AOC
are not in at all and actually kind of pushing
back like now it's not the time to challenge the
(03:39):
caucus the Democratic leader.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, so this will be a good one.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We'll bring it down.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Plus a new ruling down in Texas that the jerrymander
there is illegal, so California redistricted and then sent it
to its voters to get make sure it was legal
in response to in response to Texas doing its jerrymander,
and now Texas court says, actually the Texas one's illegal.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Man, be funny that the Democrats will like, all right,
we're good.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Then we're gonna undo ours.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, but I don't think they're going.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
To not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
We'll also be joined by Nicholas Eberstadt, who is I
would argue, probably the premier researcher on young men in
the workforce or men in the workforce in general, and
we're gonna be talking with him about the plight of
young men with numbers now showing perhaps record levels of unemployment,
with this next next group of college graduates coming up
in just a few months. If you are a recent
(04:32):
college graduate, you know how hard it's been to get
a job in this environment.
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Ryan, let's turn to Muhammed bin Salman's visit to the
White House yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Yeah, so, back in September, Israel decided to bomb Doha,
where the where Hamas was gathered to deliberate about the
latest piece agreement that Donald Trump had sent to them.
That bombing quickly led to the United States making an
(05:33):
offer to Kutter that they would be basically a NATO
ish non NATO ally, which meant that if Israel did
that again, according to the terms of this agreement, the
US would then have to attack Israel, or if anybody
attacked Culter, we would we would attack, We would attack.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Them in response. There are now two countries that.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Have gotten non NATO agreements out of the decision by
Israel to bomb NATO, because as soon as we offered
that to Doha, everyone else.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
In the region was like, wait a minute, hold on.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
It's like when you start inviting cousins to the wedding,
like wow, this is there's gonna be a lot of
cousins getting non NATO agreement. So here's Trump last night
inviting another cousin to the wedding.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Tonight, I'm pleased to announce that we're taking our military
cooperation to even greater heights by formally designating Saudi Arabia
as a major non NATO ally, which is something that
is very important to them. And I'm just telling you
now for the first time because I wanted to keep
a little secret for tonight. I just heard him say, oh,
(06:38):
that's nice, that's another point you want today and signing
a historic Strategic Defense Agreement, which we just signed a
little while ago. So congratulations at Joe.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
And so this followed the earlier Oval Office meeting between
MBS and Trump with this kind of mutual humiliation. Ritual
though wasn't really humiliating on Trump's side, because I don't
think he's capable of humiliation, but certainly I think if
your MBS is, the entire thing was humiliating start to finish.
Yet he's going to walk out with you know, pretty
(07:13):
much everything he wants, including getting exonerated for the murder
of Jamalk Shogy in it, NBS promise he's going to
do up to a trillion dollar, nice round number, trillion
dollars an investment in the United States. How are people
on the right responding to Trump making another deal with
(07:35):
another country that says we will commit our American military
to defend this country also in the event of any
upcoming conflict.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Honestly, I haven't seen much reactor whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
It's like everyone right now is focused on the infighting.
There hasn't been much reaction to this major foreign policy announcement.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
This stuff is still like oiling.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It's still going.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
But I think also people see Trump, people on the
right see Trump as this like peacemaker and deal maker
exactly as he casts himself, and sort of ascribed to
him this level of trust like he knows that, you know,
the sort of attitude is he knows what he's doing,
or the postures he knows what he's doing. He's, you know,
just currying favor in a way that creates peaceful conditions.
(08:21):
And that's probably the best summary of an average person.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
On the right looking at what was happening.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Because you made an interesting point where he humiliating for MBS,
but I know we have the nine to eleven clip
that it was addressed in the Oval Officer today.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Of course, well why not? And you could argue that
you flipped this around.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
It's humiliating for the United States as well.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Complete, complete and total humiliation where we have our president
who knows better lying about whether or not the guy
killed somebody, and not just somebody an American columnist for
the resident columnists for the Watching Post.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He also is giving them a whole bunch.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Of f thirty fives and a bunch of tanks like
so like that, and that has been a big source
of contention, that has been a major desire of Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Why, like, what are they gonna do with these F
thirty five.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
It's just you're the richest country on the planet, Like,
you want what you can't have. They couldn't have f
thirty fives, so they want the F thirty five. Got
to get the thirty fives.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So Red Rider beaty gun of defense Products and.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
So an ABC News reporter pressed him on the assassination
of Koshogi, who was chopped at pieces with a bone
saw in the Saudi consulate in istanbul Let's play that
in the reaction all the way.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's not the LEAs.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
And Trump doesn't give a fist pump. I grabbed that hand.
I don't give the hell wear that hand's been. I
grabbed that. He's done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody
that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like
that gentleman that you to talking about, whether you like
him or didn't like him. Things happened, but he knew
nothing about it. And we can leave it at that.
(10:06):
You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Like journous it's really painful to hear, you know, anyone
that been losing his life for you know, no real
purpose or no, not in a legal way, and it's
been painful for us in Saudi Arabia. We've did all
the light steps of investigation, et cetera in Saudi Arabia,
(10:29):
and we've improved the whole system to be sure that
nothing happened like that. And it's painful and it's a
huge mistake, and you're doing our best that this doesn't
happen again.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
I'm very proud of the jab he's done. What he's
done is incredible in terms of human rights and everything else.
And he's the crown Prince, the future king.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Couldn't stop laughing that like he like like did he
just burst into like a wide like cheshire cat grin.
It looked like when he said he's done any credible
job with human rights, did he say that it was
a mistake that happened?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
They that they carved him into pieces.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So it is something to that. He'll let me find
the verbatim quotes.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And while you're looking for that, Bob Woodward posted last night,
He's like I interviewed Trump January of twenty twenty about
this exact thing. Trump said, I've gotten involved very much.
I know everything about the whole situation. He's talking about Koshogi.
So what happened, Sarah, I asked, I saved his ass?
Trump said, that's what happened, saved who's ass?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
MBS?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Trump said, they were coming down on him very strongly.
But I was able to get Congress to leave him alone.
I was able to get them to stop. You know,
I'm very friendly with those guys that CIA has looked
into this, Turkish intelligence has looked at as everybody who
has looked into this has concluded definitively that Saudi Arabia
(11:53):
MBS ordered the killing, that a hit squad was flown
into Istanbul. They lured him into the into that office. Uh,
they injected him with some tranquilizing device and then they
used the bone saw chopped into pieces, and they dissolved
his body and took it back to the residents.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like this is like there's this was not a mistake.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
This was not things something slipping through the cracks, and
we have this is a very long block. So I
won't lingker on my personal connection to this for too long,
but I had I had lunch with him.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
With with Koshow A couple of weeks before he was killed.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
And he was he actually because he he was writing
for the Washing Posts, but they weren't publishing his columns
very frequently, and so he wanted to start writing for
us as well so that he could publish more, Yeah,
more frequently. Because we we had we were known as
pretty adversarial too, the Kingdom of Saudi right, and and
the UAE and the other factions here.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And I actually had a friend of mine had so
he was he was in Istanbul. He then flew to
London over the weekend. My friend had lunch with him
that weekend, right before he went to the consulate, and
I said to am you sure you want to go
into the consulate. He's like, He's like, no, they have
assured me, I just need this paperwork for my wedding.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It's going to be fine.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
So he goes into the consulate with his wife and
his fiance staying outside.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
He's in there for a couple hours.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
She reaches out to a mutual friend of ours, who
then calls me and is like, Jamal has been in
the consulate now for too long, and I'm starting to
get nervous. And I did something I really haven't done
hadn't done before. I reached out to Kushner, who I
had been in touch with for stories, and I made
(13:43):
sure to phrase it in a journalistic way, but I
was like hey, which it was, Yeah, Hey, Hey, Jared,
I'm hearing from Jamal's fiance that he went into the
consulate and has and has not emerged.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know, can you.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
See if you can confirm anything about this. I know
you're in touch with MBS. Maybe like to see what
you can find out about this. Got the double check
on what's app he had responded in the past, didn't
respond to this, and I sent a couple more hearing this,
hearing this, hearing this, and then we immediately started writing
stories like this that this guy's missing, went around the Senate.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You heard anything? People said, No, I hadn't, hadn't heard
anything in it.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
And then it was several days later that it finally
emerged that he'd been killed. And so I know for
certain that that Kushner know, like while it was happening
that it was happening, what he did, we don't know,
Like did he reach out to MBS and say, Hey,
there's a Washington Post columnist who went into your consulate
(14:48):
and hasn't come out. What's going on with that, I
don't know, We don't know. He's never been pressed on that,
which is rather staggering. Saudi Arabia kind of laid low
for while. Nobody in Washington. Almost everybody in Washington walked
away from them. They some firms stayed, but almost all
(15:08):
the firms like dropped them, and they became a pariah
toxic for a while. Biden even in the campaign called
them a pariah. But you know, money talks, and they're
back and now they're a non NATO ally with and
Trump is doing. In some ways it's humiliating, but in
other ways, it's just a blunt way out. It's like,
(15:30):
you know what we're not gonna overlook that he did
is we're just gonna deny it.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
We'll be like, you know, he didn't do that, don't
embarrass our guests.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Don't embarrass our guests.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Saying that to the press right by the way, it
reminded me of when a reporter was going after Zelenski's outfit,
which is you'd to think that would fall under the
not embarrassing our guest umbrella.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
But MBS's outfit, that's not a suit, right.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yes, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
No tie.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
The NBS quote yesterday.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Was quote it's painful and it's a huge mistake.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So you're right.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
The word is exactly what was invoked quote about the journalist.
It's really painful to hear anyone that has been losing
his life for no real purpose or not in a
legal way.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
It was a mistake, you know, bureaucratic error. You know,
he wanted documents in order to make sure that he
could get married. They thought he wanted to be chopped
into pieces. These these kinds of mistakes happen.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
We should also mention Ryan that Odnan Koshogi was Jamal
Kashogi's uncle on his father's side. Is was in financial
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein as far as everyone can tell.
And I was involved in around, Yeah, was involved in
around contract. And I believe actually one of Trump's yachts
(16:49):
in the nineteen eighties had originally been commissioned by Koshogi.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I think it's also true.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
That the Lady Galaine was originally was was commissioned by
Adnan Koshogi.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Wild confluence of relationships.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Yeah, and Jamal was a very highly regarded journalist, but
he was Basically he didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He wasn't. Let's not pretend that.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
He was like some like hardcore champion of freedom and
democracy and human rights. He was allied with MBNO, who
was NBS's rival, and MBS. NBN was actually closer to
the CIA. MBS was closer to the UE, and they
and Israel, and they managed to like jump over MBN
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and make MBS the Crown Prince, and that put Koshogi
on the outs. So this was we're talking about an
kind of inter royal family factional dispute here more than
we're talking about something on principle. Although once he what
you find is that dissidents will use the arguments that
are useful to them, of course, and so he would
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make the arguments those arguments on behalf of values of
liberalism and freedom right.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
And Trump of course is not a novice in the space.
He has been involved in these types of deals and
relationships going back quite a long time. Interesting that it
was also happening against the backdrop of the Epstein file release,
which we will get to in one moment as well.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
So speaking about freedoms, Donald Trump responded to this exchange
about the killing of an American journalists by telling the
American journalists who asked about it that maybe they should
have their license revoked for asking about it.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Let's roll this one one week.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
For Congress to release the Epstein files. Why not just
do it as well. It's not the question that I mind,
it's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter.
It's the way you ask these questions. You start off
with a man who's highly respected asking him a horrible
inch bordinate and just a terrible question. And you could
(19:04):
even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched.
Somebody psychs you over at ABC, you're gonna psycho. You're
a terrible person and a terrible reporter. I'll tell you something.
I think the license should be taken away from ABC
because your news is so fake and is so wrong.
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And we have a great commissioner, a chairman who should
look at that.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Maybe Barry Weis could run ABC too, How about that.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I don't know if that merger would get approved, but hey,
probably not.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Why not BC? There you go, it's called broadcasting.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Yeah, Barry broadcasting BBC, and she can take over the
BBC because of the controversy that they're having over.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
There with Trump too.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're coming up with all this lusus.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You can have them all.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, I mean we should just let you run the media.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Barry's got it under control. So speaking of embarrassing the
guests awkward. But he got pressed on Saudi Arabia's role
in nine to eleven. Also, let's roll that one.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
I feel painful about, you know, the families of ninety
eleven in America, But you know, we have to focus
on reality. Reality based in SII documents and based on
a lot of documents that Ladin he used Saudi people
and that event for one main purpose is to destroy
this relation, to destroy the American Saudi relation. That's the
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purpose of ninety eleven. So whoever buying that, that means
they are helping Osama. The Ladin purpose of destroying this relation.
He know that strong relation between America and Saudi Arabia.
It's bad for extremism, it's bad for tourism. And we
have to approve him wrong and to build our relation,
to continue to work to our relation. It's a critical
in the safety of the world. It's a critical against
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extremism and terrourism.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Strike you as an innocent man, there just hands totally clean.
He's what he was saying. It's bad for tourism. That's
a good one.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
It was for a little while. Well no, actually it
was nine.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I guess certainly because showy killing was bad for tourism
for a little while.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean, he's not comedy fests. And that's right, it's
all back.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Trump also made an argument that I guess his tariffs
are making America great again because Saudi Arabia is investing
heavily in the United States to build its manufacturing base.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Let's roll a five.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
Many eights and technology and AI and materials, magnet, et cetera.
That would create a lot of You are doing that.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Now you're saying to me now that the six hundred
billion will be one.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Treading definitely because what we are signing it to a
facility that and like.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
No, that's great, that's I appreciate that. That's great. It's no.
We're doing numbers that nobody's ever done. And it all fairness.
If you didn't see potential in the US, you wouldn't
be doing it.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Definitely, you don't want to lose money.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
We use tariffs to bring all this money in, and
you're going to see the results in a year when
these plants start to open up. We have more plants
under construction now than at any time in the history
of our country. And these are big plants. These are
the biggest plants anywhere in the world.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And the backdrop here is that Trump has been pressuring
Saudi Arabia to normalize relations with Israel. Saudi Arabia has
continued to say, you've got to give us something on
Palestinian statehood.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
We cannot do it without it.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Roll a little bit of the exchange on the Abraham
accurts here at say six.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
Having a good tradition with all of thesecent countries a
good thing, and we want to be part of the Brimaco.
But we want also to be sure that secure a
cleeve path of two state solution. Today we have a
henity discussion with mister President that we've got to walk
on that to be sure that we can prepare the suition.
It's a little as possible to have that.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
I think we're you know, I don't want to use
the word commitment, but we've had a very good talk
of the Abraham Accords. We talked about one state, two state,
you know, we talked about a lot of things in
a short period of time. We'll be discussing and further too.
But I think you have a very good feeling for
the Abraham.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
A course, just deflims the president who want peaceful there's
three das. We want peaceful, the Prestinians, we want them
to co exist peaceful in the region. We would do
all of this to reach that day and agreement on
that we pretty much.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Have so as you can hear from him even the
second time that Trump says like you've got a really
warm feeling towards the Abraham Accords, though right he was like, well,
as long as there's peace and co existence with the Palestinians,
like that is still for domestic and regional reasons, a
line that MBS is not able to cross. I think
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MBS personally like, if it were up to him, he
doesn't care.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
He'd be happy to.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Join the Abraham Accords and strike a endless you know,
business and political deals with Israel and just ignore the
fact of the Palestinians. But he just he knows that
you that he cannot do that. He just he doesn't
have it. The regional, the regional and domestic politics just
simply won't allow it.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
And if you're just listening to this, by the way,
and you're seeing the clips, what you're missing is Trump
literally slapping MBS on the knee. They were playing with
each other's hands at one point because they went in
for a fist bump, but Trump said he doesn't do
fist bumps. It was a level of friendliness that you
would rarely see it between a president and any foreign leader,
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let alone the Crown Prince of Saddi Arabia.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It's in his friendliness in it, but it's also Trump's
kind of little ribbing bullying style that he has because NBS,
as you can tell, is a very awkward figure, and
so Trump kind of slapping him and pushed him around.
It's like he knows he's kind of pushing MBS out
of his comfort zone a little bit, and it's it's
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kind of an alpha dog thing that he's doing.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Oh, that's interesting. That's an interesting psychological READI that's my reading.
That is interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Though.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Now they had this this dinner last night. Did you
see this where Cristiano Ronaldo was there?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yes, I heard that he heard that he was there, and
that the dinner is where they announced that they're going
to become a major non NATO ally right.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah. Trump rolled out that announcement.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
He had horses for him, what had of camels? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
What else would you do? But yes, that's that was
announced just last night. Trump made it clear that's where
we were going with the relationship. And this was I
mean again, you can understand why. But it was a
packed dinner. Elon Musk was there, Ronaldo, a lot of
money there, Cabinet officials, Howard Latinik, those types of people.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yes, lots and lots of money there.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Red carpet was rolled out to say the least for
MBS yesterday.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
So a good friend of MBS's, by the way, was
a financier and sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was
the subject of a vote yesterday in the House of Representatives.
We can roll a Marjorie Taylor Green, who has now
been denounced by President Trump, embraced by some Democrats, held
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a press conference with Epstein victims outside of Congress.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Here's Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
I was called a trader by a man that I
fought for five no actually six years for and I
gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first
selection without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary,
and I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,
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for the policies and for America first. And he called
me a trader for standing with these women and refusing
to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me
tell you what a ch is. A trader is an
American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is
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an American that serves the United States of America and
Americans like the women standing behind me. And I want
to tell you that this only became possible today because
the American people, whom we serve as representatives here in Congress,
demanded that this vote happened, and they put more pressure
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on every single elected politician in this city than has
ever been put on them. And today you are going
to see probably a unanimous vote in the House to
release the Epstein files. But the fight, the real fight,
will happen after that.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So I think, Emily, that that's true that the public
did put enormous pressure on these representatives, including by electing
autoly Do Rhalva, and you know, getting two hundred and
eighteen signatures on the discharge petition and forcing Trump's hand
to the point where he said, you know what, just
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everybody should just vote for at this point.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (28:19):
You think like that this was a real kind of
a rare dub for the people.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I mean, I absolutely think so.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
People may remember before the August recess on this show,
I covered talking to a bunch of Republican congressmen on
the Hill.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
It was just a couple of days before recess, and
I was asking.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Them, are you expecting to get questions about Epstein? Because
at the time Trump's line and he's still using this
now to some extent, but his lene was this is
all a distraction, This is a Democrat hoax to get
you to, you know, not focus on the one big,
beautiful bill and all of that. And I actually didn't
get that response from Republican congressman that I talked to,
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who were saying, no, we fully expect to hear from
our stituents about Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
And so I think that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I think Trump learned that it wasn't going anywhere, the
issue wasn't going anywhere. He saw that could not control
the people like Marjorie Taylor Green going all over media it.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Just would not die away. And I think Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Believed he had more control over the base, and he
does have a lot of control over the base, but
this is an issue that just absolutely embodies what people
see as the swamp and you can't kind of hand
wave it away. And so while people may be willing
to like bend over backwards and exonerate Donald Trump and say.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well, he's you know, he's.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Nothing to do with Epstein, they are not willing to
do that with Epstein overall, say go away, like this
doesn't matter. And so I think genuinely they're Republicans realized
it wasn't just Marjor Taylor Green going on, you know,
all like the view. It was actually also that you
had Congressman saying we're going to have to vote for
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the discharge petition. We can't be voting against this discharge petition.
And I think when Trump realized where the numbers were going,
it was a cost benefit analysis. Who's like, well, the
cost of whatever comes out is worth the benefits of
these guys of having to take the vote at this point.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Yeah, and for Trump to hold on this long really
makes you wonder like, what is he worried about is
in there? Because he knows better than anybody that for years,
the Republican base was told the world government is being
run by a secret cabal of predator pedophiles.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Then you catch one.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
And you're told, well, never mind, right, Like that's not
going to fly.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Right, no, no, And it didn't.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
If you hadn't spent years telling them that they were
run by a cabal of pedophiles. Then maybe you catch
one pedophile who's in the cabal and you can get
away with like nevermind, just a hoax, Let this one
go right, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we will
pull on this string.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
And what I I mean that the incentive, the explanation
for why you have democratic presidents and Republican presidents during
the swamp presidents and whatever the Biden presidency was defending
or pushing back on disclosure, is because the one incentive
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that ties them together is protecting the intelligence community. And
so that explains I think the reluctance on both of
their parts. I mean, it's not just Bill Clinton and
Donald Trump having friendly relationships with Jeffrey Epstein. It's something
deeper than that, which is why I also think Trump realizes,
and I say this with no pleasure at all, but
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that they have some amount of control over what is
actually going to be released.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
He controls the.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Government right now. And yeah, I don't know if you
agree with this or not. Seems to me anything that
would actually function as a smoking gun where you have
Jeffrey Epstein in writing saying I trafficked girls as blackmail
to change foreign policy and make money in the process. Like,
if you have that in writing, it has been destroyed
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or it will not be released.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Or it's been unlived. The person who could say that
has been un alive, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And so it's obvious that you can.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Then other person who could say that is getting kid
glove treatment now in minimum security prison.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
There you go, And so the Epstein story is not
going away. So there's two possibilities.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
You can either look like your for disclosure or you
can look like you're for stonewalling.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
But those are the only two options.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, and so speaking of stonewalling, one method they're going
to use is, well, this is all a matter of
national security. So let's roll speaker Mike Johnson.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Here, d oj or.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
The FBI has already reviewed it, and determined it is
not credible. It is fall information. Doing this and requiring
this to come out could ruin the reputations of completely
innocent people, such as those who have may just have
known Epstein but knew nothing of his crimes, or whose
names he exploited. Think of this, innocent people whose names
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he exploited and used to try to get close to
his intended victims. Their names may be in these files
and they had nothing to do with this, and so
by just haphazardly releasing it, you're going to destroy their reputations.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I mean, look, I think it is fine to say
just because your name is in these emails does not
mean that you are a bad person. In fact, I
don't know if you've noticed this. My former colleague Akbar Ahmed,
his name was in an exchange between Bannon and Epstein,
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but it was I think Bannon was sending an article
that Okbar had written at the Hovin Post and Epstein
and said that sounds like his name, sounds like an
SNL skit, and Bannon replied, quote very gay Pakistani.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So look he's in there. He's in there.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
I told him he should put that on a T shirt. Yes,
but that doesn't mean that he was involved in the
predator ring. There's plenty of names in there of people
who were innocent. And if that's if that's you don't
worry about it. You're you're gonna be fine. Like it's
it's only if you're connected to the crimes. Like a
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lot of people's names, a lot of people have had
some problems. You know that they've gotten attention that they
haven't wanted because they've been in these emails. Larry Well,
but Larry Summers was like not cheating on his wife. Okay,
that's between consenting adults. Fine, whatever, He was favorably treating
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a top Chinese Communist Party official who was a key
like royal figure in this CCP with with power over
the belt and wrote initiative in order to get in
his daughter's pants like that, So that becomes an actual
matter of public concern because he's trading US policy or
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whatever levers he has in order for his own personal gain.
So that that so that we can say that we
can be disgusted by and sorry, Mike Johnson, that that
your friend Larry Summers is going to suffer a little
bit because of this, Like maybe he shouldn't have done
those things, and so I think this like this thing
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from Johnson and everybody else but both parties was doing it.
Think of the innocent people, like, no, the innocent people
are the ones that were behind Marjorie Taylor Green outside
of Congress, the victims of Epsteine.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Then innocent people.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
If if your name is in those emails and you
didn't do anything wrong, fine, But if your name is
in the emails and you were trading, you know your
power as a US official to try to sleep with
a Chinese Communist Party officials daughter, and sorry, if that's
going to cause you a few days of bad press,
well there was also and maybe you the open AI
board meeting for you next time is a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
It's I mean, there will be quote unquote innocent people.
I mean, if you were running in these circles at
all and you had any possibility of having your name
come up, even if it was in the most innocent
of way, like at minimum, it will be a headache.
So I'm sure people are expecting a headache, maybe legal headache,
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and then maybe in their own personal lives, like there
was the department store air family who he was the
one who said, Jeffrey helped me.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Here.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Is he a hooker? Is she a hooker? Did you
see that? That was a good one. So obviously he
was exposed. Maybe his wife already knew it, maybe not,
but he.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Was exposed for his adultery. So that's probably probably more
to come. And I would hope that everyone is relatively
judicious as they go through the files and journalists reach
out for comment and all of that. But I think
Ryan generally correct that if you didn't do anything wrong,
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you should be able to explain what exactly happened, why
you were in this conversation, why your name came up.
Maybe you're a journalist whose article was being passed around.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
There you go. Just have to have faith in the truth.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
There you go.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Meanwhile, we didn't want to let the show pass without
one of the funniest headlines that we've ever seen. We
put up the next Element headline, Jared Kushner invited Jeffery
Epstein's a party with Trump and Harvey Weinstein in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Hell of a party that would have been.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, Well, this was for The New York Observer, and
so it was an invitation from the company he.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Used to own. The New York Observer newspaper. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Yeah, and they put Kusher and his business partner's name
on the bottom of it.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
But the guest list was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
It was like Blake Lively, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
It was like celebrities, New York people.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It was like to celebrate the anniversary of their New
York Observer in New York if I'm remember incorrectly, But.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, that's that happened.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It's just whatever, because it's like Trump and Harvey Weinstein
have been partying with.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Celebrities for decades.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
Yeah, Trump has been a celebrity just because he hangs
out with famous people up until he became president. Like
there was no reason why he was a celebrity. It's
a real estate developer, Like, what's going on here? But
he hung out. He was famous, so he hung out
with famous people. Weinstein famous hung out with famous people,
and Epstein was at the center of Epstein seems to
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be one of the best connected people on the planet
from what we can tell from his emails, So would
not be surprising in twenty thirteen, if you're Jerry Kushner
that you'd want to invite to this thing bearing in mind,
this is four years after his conviction for the underage prostitution.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
So it shows you that what types.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Of things these elite circles are willing to overlook and bran.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
As we now talk about new drop site reporting, I
do want to say that the estate emails, in addition
to the hacked emails that you all have been working
through at drop Site, expose so plainly in ways that
I think normally you have to like dig deep into
the annals of history books to fully wrap.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Your head around. And a lot of it is, you know, Cold.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
War history that we see up close, like we're seeing
right now in these emails, just the plain casual, banal
corruption and geopolitical maneuvering from the emails over emails that
are riddled with typos and unserious grammatical effort, and it's
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just all there for us to see, and it's it
is really dry.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
It's jarring.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I mean, it's not surprising, but just seeing it up
close in writing is jarring.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
Yes, if you're somebody who's curious about how this world
really works, the release of all these documents has been
a gift in that sense because it really does open
a window into into a world that is.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Intended to be kept away.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
From the public of the people who are actually making
the decisions that shape that shape the world that we
live in. And we have you know, we have one
of those stories at drop Site News yesterday. We can
put this almost going to recommend everybody go read this
if you can. Uh, headline makes you sound like a
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crazy person. Jeffrey Epstein pursued Swiss Rothschild Bank to finance
Israeli cyber weapons empire.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Uh, and yeah, let's poster that.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
I was like, as as we're doing the reporting, you
report what you have, not what you want. And as
we're going through it, I'm like, could he have used
a bank.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Other than ross Child, any other bank? It's like he's.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
Trying to make us look like lunatics. The ross Childs
were for centuries, you know, major financiers in Europe. They
really faded over the last you know, decades and century plus,
but are still still a dominant financial institution in France
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and in Switzerland in particular, and particularly in Switzerland, they
are among a bunch of banks that were in fact
under investigation by the Department of Justice for their willingness
to engage in the kind of secrecy that is very
helpful to people who are moving drugs, moving weapons, working
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with sanctioned individuals to finance projects. And Fstein worked with
all all of those kinds of people, and so this
is the kind of bank that is very helpful to them.
So I'll go through just some of the reporting here,
But eleven days before Epstein was found dead, there was
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this report in Bloomberg that he had met with Arion
de Rothschild, who is now the CEO of the Edmund
de Rothschild Group, which is the basically what the bank
is called.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Now.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
At the time, the bank is like, it's not true,
they had no relationship. Since then, there's been some Wall
Street journal reporting on their relationship that showed that actually
there was a little bit of a relationship that so
that wasn't quite accurate. What we can show is that
the relationship was very, very deep, and just how deep
we'll have some follow up reporting as well, but for now,
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what we can say is that.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
When Ahud Barak.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Left as a Minister of Defense and ISRAE in twenty thirteen,
he immediately was sought out by European banks as kind
of a rain maker, Like they knew that he was
going to start working with oligarchs all over the world
to set up companies, and they wanted to be in
the middle of that stream, and so he cuts a
deal with he was Julius bear Bank and Epstein then
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quickly hears from somebody at the Roschild Bank saying, just
saw that Ahood Barack was scooped up by this competitor.
Too bad, because we actually would have liked to work
with him, Which shows you a bunch of different things,
one of which the banking world knew at that time
that if they wanted to reach out to Ahud Barak,
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who was foreign Prime Minister of Israel, for some type
of relationship, the guy to go through was Jeffrey Epstein.
At the same time, we report that Epstein that Rothschild,
because they were facing this Department of Justice investigation, needed
new council. He went out and found an attorney for them,
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like on behalf of the Rothschild Bank. He reached out
to Katherine Rumler, who was a top lawyer in the
Obama administration, and she ended up representing the bank, and
that is a matter of public record. She negotiated a
non prosecution agreement.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
She's at Goldman now.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
And she was also in these conversations that Michael Wolfe
has released where there's a public relations strategizing bull session
basically between Steve Bann and Michael Wolfe, Jeffrey Epstein and Katherine.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Rumler right right, And so you know she was also
Epstein also connected her with Gates when Epstein was trying
to build basically he was trying to Epstein it seems
like he was trying to take over the Giving Pledge
and like move it into a new donor advised fund
and be the be the man behind the strings that
never really completely got off the ground. What he what
(44:56):
the so, so then Epstein ends up connect Barack and
Arion de Rothschild. And we have some just absolutely wild
quotes in here, and we can put up some of
these while I'm talking. You can just kind of roll
through the different elements of emails and people can pause
on those and and read them.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
But so, in one of the notes.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Epstein writes to ahu Barack a message from Arion de
Rothschild where he says, and he's so he's basically paraphrasing
Arian he says. She says to ahud If Ahood wants
to make serious money. He will have to build a
relationship with me, take time so that we can truly
(45:39):
understand one another unquote. And so then Barack says he's
going to defer to Epstein, and you're gonna love why.
I'm ready, he wrote, but I need your advice. Read
how Ladies is.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Your FORTE can't argue that.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
He then he then gives him some some advice that
is actually, you know, pretty decent. He's like, just be
dependable and reliable and you know, show up when you're
supposed to show up and uh, and this this.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Will work for her.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
And so they they spend the next couple, you know,
months and years kind of building this relationship. What Epstein
basically wants to do is to create a fund of
funds that will allow that will create a vehicle that
will allow all sorts of money from outside to flow
through the Swiss Bank and then finance ahu Barack's you
(46:39):
know growing empire of cyber weapons companies, which you know,
they don't call cyber weapons when they're talking to directly
to ross Child, but when they're talking to each other,
they they they're talking about offensive cyber operations. And read
the story to get all the different you know, details
of it, but Rock over the years does end up
(47:02):
building you know, some of the key critical cyber technology,
both offensive and defensive that exists today and including uh,
some of the companies that are everywhere in the entire
backbone of of our of our internet today. So this
it's like it's hard to overstate just how influential you know,
(47:23):
Epstein and Brock were and building kind of the cyber
world that we have today.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You look up guard Corps or Akamai.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
So guard a Corps was a company that was later
acquired by Akamai a just a k a m Ai
and has since been integrated into basically the big the
world's largest no content delivery system. Like, so they're they're like,
they got their stuff in everywhere and they're constantly working,
you know, with the Israeli intelligence apparatus, which is incubating
(47:56):
all of these ideas and then they flow up too
and then you know, financed and kind of developed then
by Epstein, and so they've really made our world in
a significant.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Way, and they're doing it again just so casually over
their emails.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, and what's interesting is that.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
In the emails sometimes he will say this is too
hot for email, I know, would you call me? So
what we're able to report now is just what he
was willing to talk about on email. He knew that
he was. He's like, this is an open email. We
can't talk about X so all this other stuff he's
fine talking about. So it's like so they're like, okay,
(48:39):
what was he doing on those calls? And what was
he doing in person? He's like that we need to
talk about this in person, and that'll be the subject
I think of some of our future articles here, because
there are ways that you can piece together what he's
been up to.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I mean, what you guys are already doing with that
is incredible.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
And it's one other piece and then go ahead. Meanwhile,
child also had a tax problem going on right right
in Israel, Yeah, which Epstein you know, helped her navigate
as well. Right, So that's people are like, what does
this guy do? Like this, he's doing this kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
And Barack was doing this on a Gmail. If I'm
not mistaken, Larry Summers was doing this on a Gmail.
It's all going back and forth on.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
A bolt on an AOL.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, I mean it's just remarkable.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
For first of all, how stupid that is, but also
to see how cavalier they are about not national security,
literally global security and just they're going around making money
off of a change in the world like it's nothing.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
It's the drop site.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Reporting has been an incredible window and you guys are
adding a lot of great context to make it easy
to digest too. So if you're not reading this stuff,
you absolutely have to be Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Go enjoy it, go get it.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
Yeah, yep, you don't enjoy it like oh Jesus wo
but man, and some of the money did come through,
but we don't know exactly for what, but there was
a twenty five million dollar investment that Epstein was able
to get through involving Roth's child.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
We're still piecing all of this together. So yeah, wild stuff,
wild wild stuff.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
Meanwhile, there is a video going around that is going
absolutely viral that we didn't want to pass up a
chance to make sure that you saw. It's from the
Congress of the Jewish Federation of North America recently, and
it's liberal Obama speech writer Sarah Hurwitz talking about the
(50:44):
twin problems that are she believes fueling anti Semitism, and
she believes it is social media that is showing people
pictures of quote carnage in Gaza, and also a Holocaust
education that is taught people that it is wrong when big,
(51:04):
powerful forces are aggressive towards the week. Just an incredible
two minute clip that I think you're going to watch
the entirety of and then Emily and I will discuss
for a moment, go ahead and roll this.
Speaker 11 (51:18):
I think that since October seventh, but really before then,
there have been huge shifts in America on how people
think about Jews in Israel, and I think that is
especially true of young people. So we are now wrestling
with a new I think generational divide here and I
think that's particularly true in that social media is now
our source of media and this. It used to be
(51:39):
that the media you got in America was American media,
and it was pretty mainstream. You know, it generally didn't
express extreme anti Israel views. You had to go to
a pretty weird bookstore to find global media and fringe media.
But today we have social media, which is a global medium.
It is shaped, its algorithms are shaped by billions of
(52:00):
people worldwide who don't really love Jews. And so while
in the nineteen nineties, you know, a young person probably
wasn't going to find Al Jazeera or someone like Nick Fuentes.
Today those media outlets find them. They find them on
their phones. It's also this increasingly post literate media, less
and less text, more and more videos. So you have
(52:20):
TikTok just smashing our young people's brains all day long
with video of carnage and Gaza. And this is why
so many of us can't have a sane conversation with
younger Jews because anything that we try to say to them,
they are hearing it through this wall of carnage. So
I want to give data and information and facts and arguments,
and they are just seeing in their minds carnage. And
(52:42):
I sound obscene, And you know, I think unfortunately, the
very smart I think bet that we made on Holocaust
education to serve as anti Semitism education in this new
media environment, I think that is beginning to break down
a little bit, because you know, hal cost education is
absolutely essential. But I think in maybe confusing some of
(53:02):
our young people about anti Semitism because they learn about big,
strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews, and they think, oh,
anti Semitism is like anti black racism, right, powerful white
people against powerless black people. So when on TikTok all
day long they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians,
it's not surprising that they think, Oh, I know, the
(53:24):
lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight
the big, powerful people hurting the weak people.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
All right, So, Emily, where do you where should we
Where do we even start with this argument? My worldview
is being rejected because people are seeing images of.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Carnage, people are seeing facts.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
And because people have been taught that it is wrong
when a powerful force uses its power to annihilate a
weaker people, and you can. So therefore, it's not my
worldview that needs to change. Isn't that we should end
the carnage, We should end the Holocaust education, and we
(54:06):
should make sure that we can kill social media so
people don't see the images like, yes, that's.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
The death rattle of the gatekeepers. I mean, this clip
in a nutshell is the death rattle of the gatekeeper.
She is truly upset that people have access to information
that previously she feels the gatekeepers were able to keep out,
which is also somewhat wrong. Her idea that you used
to have to go to a weird bookstore to get
your hands on anti Israel information. You go ahead, walk
(54:32):
into Barnes and Noble and pick up your Chomsky.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
But also what she's really lamenting is the lack of
control that the gatekeepers used to have to push people out.
And it's it's convenient for her to just chalk that
up to funtes or left wing critics of Israel, but
it's obviously going well beyond fringe figures, and it's not
(54:58):
fringe and be considered fringe to oppose what just happened
to Gazo over the last couple of years. But she
wants to actually relegate those views to the fringes and say, well,
this is just craziness, But now it's mainstream because the
crazies are mainstream, as opposed to now it's mainstream because
people had access to different information that you previously were
(55:20):
able to gatekeep.
Speaker 6 (55:21):
Yeah, the only line of hers that made any sense
to me was when she said I sound obscene, and
to me she does so wildline, she does sound obscene,
And what I don't understand is how.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
She can't see it.
Speaker 6 (55:35):
I don't understand this complaint about social media after October
seventh and every day up until the seasfire. Now, now
they're a handful of you know, fewer than ten usually
Palestinians being killed every day by Israel. You had about
an average of one hundred Palestinians killed every single day
(55:58):
after October seventh for two plus years, and eighty plus
percent ninety plus percent. We're going by Israeli data here
that gets leaked out civilians. They have smartphones in Gaza,
they're able to they're able to share footage every day
of the many dozens, the scores of people, up to
(56:21):
a hundred or more every day being killed in Gaza.
How is that social media's fault? Like, what is social media?
What is TikTok or Instagram? I know what they want
them to do.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
She's just not.
Speaker 5 (56:34):
Skinny Palestinians as though that's some type of aberration. Right,
that there was people seeing skinny Palestinians was misleading because
it makes you think Palestinians are starving.
Speaker 4 (56:45):
That seems to be her.
Speaker 6 (56:46):
Point, right, So Israel wants to cut off food from
getting in. Everybody loses weight and Gaza that gets the
images of that are shared with the world. It's so
hard for me to get my mind to a place
where you don't say, okay, So we should actually let
(57:07):
let food in so people aren't starving. We should stop
killing civilians so that we stop seeing images of civilians
being killed.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
Instead, we need.
Speaker 6 (57:19):
To buy TikTok yes, like we need to shut down
the ability of people to share these images.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
And then but then the second minute of.
Speaker 6 (57:28):
It is the most mind bending, where she says it
was smart of us to lank anti Semitism and Holocaust
education because we talked about the Nazis and what they did,
and everybody understood that that was bad. But now we
need to dial that back because we look like the Nazis.
(57:50):
That thinking to me is just I can't it's incomprehensible.
I can't get there, rather than her saying, we're starting
to look like the Nazis in the framework that we
have set up with this education, So let's stop doing that.
(58:12):
Let's not bomb these apartment buildings, Let's not bomb a
tense city, like, let's not displace two million people and
then bomb them in their tents. Let's not do that,
because even if you don't care about the people themselves,
it looks really bad.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
You're being way too logical, way too logical.
Speaker 6 (58:32):
So you're going to dial back, And okay, you can
dial back holocaust education all you want. People as human
beings understand that if a big, powerful force is bombing
unarmed people in their tents, that is wrong. You don't
actually need education to understand that. You understand that as
(58:53):
a human. In fact, almost all animals understand that, not
just humans in the animal kingdom, when animals like give
themselves up oftentimes that that animal instinct devour them evaporates.
Like you know, when two dogs are fighting, if the
dog gives up and exposes its belly in its neck,
(59:14):
the other dog will back off. That those dogs did
not need education.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
To get there.
Speaker 6 (59:22):
It's a it's not just a human impulse. It's it's
across the animal kingdom for the most part. And so
you can go ahead and root out holocaust education all
you want. People are still going to understand that if unarmed,
innocent civilians are being bombed intense that's wrong, and the
people doing the bombing are wrong and should be prosecuted
in jailed.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Everyone's going to understand that.
Speaker 5 (59:45):
Some background on Sarah Hurwitz. She is a very sort
of mainstream democratic establishment figure. She was appointed by Barack
Obama to the US Holocaust Memorial Council right before the
end of his second term, right before Donald Trump took office.
Tried he from Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, General Wesley Clark.
John Kerry goes back to the early Odes, but has
(01:00:07):
done the tour of kind of normy centrist Democrats over
the last couple of decades.
Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
So totally like I feel like I know her a
little bit, like she would be in my circles, like
and I'm sure like outside of this is like a
lovely person.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Wow, It's like what is what is?
Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
What has what has broken in your brain to get
to a place where you think the problem is not
what's happening.
Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Or that it's okay to say that aloud. I mean
to say it aloud like you have a moral authority.
Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
And as she was saying it felt like a thought
out It felt like a structured comment, not like an
offhanded remark that you make on a panel.
Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
She felt smart and righteous for saying, Yes, I.
Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Think she had developed these thoughts, yes, planned them out,
and she's like, this is this is what I'm this
is what I'm going to talk about. Yeah, and this
is a useful thing that contribute.
Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Well, just as a reminder, like, increasingly the way elites
are going to talk about people who disagree with them
are as people with alternative facts who occupy different narrative silos,
And you know, it's going to be very patronizing, Like
it's not your fault, you're just getting bad information. You
can't be expected to know the truth when TikTok leads
(01:01:24):
you in this direction or when social media is pushing
you this way or that way, because we have no control.
And so that's increasingly going to be the way that
they treat just you me, normal people who have different
opinions than them, and viewers listeners who have different opinions
from them. Is you just occupy a different narrative silo
(01:01:45):
and you can't be expected.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
To know the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
Like I know, I mean, I have been a speech writer,
my goodness for two decades, Like I know what's actually
going on here. But you, the poor average American who
is being confronted with crazy YouTubers. Uh, you know, we
just need to fix the system of information delivery delivery.
Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
Maybe that'll work, I do, Like I would suggest stop
the killing starvation. Yeah, so nobody cares what I think, though,
well some people do.
Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I don't think Sarah does.
Speaker 8 (01:02:31):
Kay
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