November 24, 2025 • 41 mins
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Jeremy Scale standing by, let's get to them.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So we've got a lot that's going on with Israel
this morning that we are tracking, and put D five
up on the screen. They've now violated the ceasefire again,
I should say in Lebanon. This is VEO of building
in Beroot southern suburbs that Israel bomb. They killed at
least five people injured twenty eight, according to Lebanon's Health Ministry,
as reported by drop site News. They say they have
(00:57):
assassinated Hezbolah's chief of staff. They are claiming that they
were able to accomplish that. I don't know if we
have confirmation from Hesbela or not, but joining us to
break this down as well as there are continued violations
of the ceasefire in Gaza. Is Jeremy Scahill, of course,
co founder of drop site News.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Great to see Jeremy Man.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Great to be back, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, of course. So let's start with Lebanon.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What do we know about what happened here and give
a little bit of context about how routinely Israel has
been violating this ceasefire.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Well, let's remember that there supposedly has been a ceasefire
in Lebanon for roughly the past year, and Israel has
just repeatedly violated it, continuing to carry out heavy bombings.
I mean, many Lebanese civilians have died. And what we've
seen happen over the past couple of days is that
despite this ceasefire to which Hesbella is a party, Israel
(01:48):
has continued to target commanders of Hesbelah. And I just
emphasized that because when you sign a ceasefire, you're signing
a ceasefire between two armed parties. And so in the
case of Gaza, the party that Israel signed as ceasefire
with is in fact Hamas, and yet Israel continues to
(02:08):
conduct these operations where they're killing commanders of the Casam brigades.
Israel's killed more than three hundred and forty Palestinians in
Gaza since October tenth, when this ceasefire was put into place.
The majority of those are women and children, but they
are in fact continuing to target the armed combatants on
the other side of this ceasefire deal. Now, anytime Palestinians
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are accused of firing at Israeli troops, the portrayal of
it is, oh, my god, Hamas is violating the ceasefire.
But this is Israeli policy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The late Palestinian poet Rafat e Larreir, who was assassinated
by Israel, said that when they signed these agreements, it
means you cease and we fire. So what we're seeing
is Netanyahu Will Trump is projecting this idea that he's
implemented this peace agreement that's the greatest thing to happen
in the Middle East in millennia. You know, he called
it one of the great moments in civilization. You have
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net Nyah who clearly concerned that actually some form of
a ceasefire will maintain, and so he's serving as his
role that he's perfected as the arsonist in chief in
the region. And we're seeing this happening in both Lebanon
and certainly in Gaza on a daily basis since October tenth.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, So speaking of nets on Yahu, one of the
craziest developments I've ever seen. D two guys, let's put
it up here on the screen. Is Bib Netanyahu sharing
a Jacobin article about Jeffrey Epstein claimed to have medal
int Israel's elections, which references drop site reporting. Jeremy, I
(03:37):
just you know, Drop Site co founder, what is your
reaction here and break down some of the reporting that
you guys actually put out and why Bebe seems to
be entranced by it.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
You know, this is a story also that has not,
for the most part, penetrated the broader corporate media or
the Western media at all. My colleagues Ryan Graham and
Martaza Hussein have just been churning out expose after expose,
and you know, even even some people in the alternative
media landscape are mischaracterizing what they're actually reporting and saying
(04:11):
that it's this salacious gossip thing and sort of comparing it,
you know, to Russiagate, you know, hysteria. This is very
serious reporting that is showing this these deep ties that
Jeffrey Epstein had two very powerful individuals in Israel. Ahud Barak,
the former Israeli Prime Minister, has been at the center
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of a number of these reports showing his connections to
Jeffrey Epstein Mosad figures who were staying at Epstein linked properties,
Epstein weighing in and advising on Israeli electoral politics, which
is what caused net Yahou to come out and and
post a Jacobin article, which is extraordinary, and you know,
in the in the Hebrew language press, people are sort
(04:54):
of losing their mind about this and saying, you know,
net Yahoo you know, is so desperate to sort of
distract from you know, his other narratives that he's even
willing to put forward stories from quote unquote anti Israel
news outlets. But this is very serious reporting that Ryan
Graham and Murtaza Hussein are doing, and it's really malpracticed
that other major news organizations are not focusing on this.
(05:17):
They're going straight for some of the you know, other
things that are newsworthy, and this is all sort of
being distilled through the lens of Capitol Hill politics. But
we're showing yet again that someone who was in contact
with Bill Clinton, someone who was in contact with Donald Trump,
someone who was in contact with very powerful people in
both corporate and government entities in the United States, was
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simultaneously in communication with the power brokers in Israel and
clearly had ties to Israeli intelligence.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, it's crazy, It's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean, what could been more important than understanding
these dimensions of power that are usually invisible to the public,
whether it's the American public or the global public, and
to get a window into these emails back and forth
in the way these deals are being done. I mean,
it's hard for me to think of what topic you
could explore that would be more significant, more consequential to
(06:11):
your point about the freak ount of this. Bb Nanna's
sharing of a jack of an article, which is a
pretty wild thing. Former Prime Minister Ahu Brock, who of
course is the subject in whose email inbox was the
one that was hacked, which is why Ryan and Massa
been able to do so much of this reporting. He
actually got asked a question about this and responded to it,
let's go ahead and.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Play D three.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
The publication was in a kind of publication named Jacobin
or something like this, which is extremely anti Semi East
and extremely anti easily publication. I wonder how it comes
that the primaryster found the time to identify. Probably it
was held by a son who spent his time now
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or not in the front but in Miami and the
whole store always nonsense, you know, it's probably Epstein. Try
to argan as a little bit is whole and is
activities and so on. I regret of ever meeting him.
I was quite friendly with him, for you've met many
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times on business issues and others. This story of intervening
in Israeli election is total nonsense.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Classic to frame them as anti Semitic, of course.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Well also, you know, when you're desperate, when you've been exposed,
what you try to do then is attack the messenger,
implying that facts are not facts because of the news
outlet where they happen to be published. And I should say,
by the way, that you know Jacobin does very rigorous journalism,
and certainly the stories that we've been doing for a
drop site have been fact checked, they've been legally reviewed.
(07:49):
We go for comment to the relevant parties involved. Ahud
Barak has refused to offer any comment on this, So
the facts are going to speak for themselves, as in
all responsible journalism.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
They good.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So you know whether Barack wants to actually take this
on or he wants to minimize his relationship with Epstein.
I think that his own emails tell a story that
is very devastating for him and speaks to something much
broader about the cozy relationship that Jeffrey Epstein had to
powerbrokers across continents.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think what's so fascinating to me about this entire
story is how these Raelis are currently feuding amongst themselves
over whether Epstein was an Israeli asset. But the US
media is ignoring all of this work. And I think
the reason why it's important at a more meta level
is for what we began this with is that Israel
is currently violating this Lebanon ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We also have I believe we have.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Some of the reports here about this most recent attack
in Gaza D six. Can we put that up there
on the screen. I mean, they just launched strikes in
Gaza and quote latest test of ceasefire as some twenty
four Gozzin's were killed. So, Jeremy, even this tenuous ceasefire
is not sticking, and strikes at the very least are
continuing at a much lower level.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, imagine, sorry, imagine if Hamas had killed twenty four Israelis.
Do you think it will be a test of the
ceasefire anyway, Go ahead, Jeremy, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I mean what we're seeing here is that, you know,
Trump essentially saved Israel from itself when he pushed through
this deal. You know, Israel had totally failed to cause
a surrender of the Palestinian resistance. The Casam brigades and
so Riel coulds and the broader armed resistance in Gaza
didn't wave the white flag. They were still holding twenty
(09:34):
Israeli captives, and you know, Israel killed a number of
its own captives over the two years of the genocide.
Those Israeli captives were not going to be released by
military force. Trump put a big emphasis on wanting to
get them freed for his own reason. I think Trump
genuinely didn't understand the Nobel Peace Prize process, and I
(09:55):
think he thought he was going to sort of get
in under the wire and force this deal so that
he could pick up Nobel Peace Prize even though the
voting had already happened and he wasn't up for it
in this round. But also this constellation that we've talked
about on this program before, of these corporate and business
interests involving the Trump family, business, the Trump organization, money
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from Arab Gulf states. But what I would say in
the broader sense is that this so called peace agreement
is a net positive for Israel and net Yahoo because Netnyah,
who was facing indictment by the International Criminal Court, he
had his own criminal proceedings that are still underway inside
of Israel. Israel wasn't militarily actually winning the war against Gaza.
(10:38):
What it was succeeding in doing was mass murdering large
numbers of Palestinians, overwhelmingly women and children. And what Trump
is doing here is twofold. On the one hand, they're
trying to rebrand what Israel has done over the past
two years of this genocide as somehow the precursor to
this epic piece. And he went to the Kanesset. He
(10:58):
gave this kind of reverse Nuremberg Tribunal performance where it
was the war criminals celebrating themselves, and Israel's war of
annihilation agenda is going to continue in a rebranded format.
And now they're saying that the main issue is we
need to disarm the Palestinians. Trump pulled off an enormous
diplomatic coup by getting the United Nations Security Council to
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endorse his so called Board of Peace. What this is
the UN authorizing Trump to be commander in chief of
what is almost certainly going to be a largely privatized
military force that is going to deploy in Gaza with
a central mission of disarming the Palestinians. This is a
huge victory for Israel also because Israel, which constantly attacks
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the United Nations, can say, now the UN Security Council
has said, the Palestinians need to bend the knee. The
Palestinians don't actually have a right to armed resistance. And
so what I think we're going to see now is
this huge push demanding that the Palestinians disarm. Just got
done speaking to a wide range of leaders from Palestinian
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resistance factions, both armed and unarmed, and what I think
we're seeing is that, with the exception of Mahmudabas, who
has single digit popularity from the Palestinian authority, he endorsed
this move at the UN Security Council, every single other
Palestinian faction is rejecting it right now. And so this
is going to call the question on it. If Trump
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actually wants there to be a lasting peace agreement, they
need to back off of this colonialist agenda. Whether Hamas
or Palestinian Islamic Jihad are sort of gone from the
scene is irrelevant to this history. There's going to be
other groups that are going to rise up. One bit
of nuance here though, that I want to report.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
To you guys.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
When I was speaking to Muhammad al Hindi, who is
one of the co founders of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, one
of the most senior Palestinian resistance figures still alive and
participated directly in the negotiations, and I asked him about
this issue of disarmament. He said something interesting, which is
that if you establish a Palestinian state and you have
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a Palestinian armed force capable of defending itself, you won't
have a need for Islamic jihad or hamas. But he
also said that they told Steve Whitcoff and Jared Kushner
very clearly that they are open to something that is
akin to a sort of decommissioning process. That is that
if you had a UN peacekeeping force coming in separating
the Israelis from the Palestinians and stopping the genocide standing
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in the middle, and you established a Palestinian force, it
could even be a police force, and it could even
be under the control of the Palestinian authority, which has
endorsed Trump's plan that they would engage in a long
term truce with Israel where any weapons that appear on
the street from someone that that individual could be arrested,
that they would shut down the training sites, and that
they would make a long term commitment that the resistance
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would not use its weapons. If you actually want to
preserve Palestinian rights and you also want to achieve an
idea that there isn't going to be armed groups running
around with weapons. The Palestinians have a very moderate position
on this that no one ever wants to talk about.
It's this maximalist position of Israel, which isn't actually even
about the guns, because we're talking about very small arms
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that are overwhelmingly homemade inside of Gaza. Israel is using
this as a proxy to try to win the surrender
of the Palestinian cause, something it hasn't been able to
do militarily for seventy seven years. So, you know, if
there's any US negotiators watching this, I suggest you actually
listen to the nuance of what the Palestinians are saying,
because it's not a secret and their position, quite honestly,
(14:33):
is a very reasonable one given the fact that there's
been this genocide. But telling the people that have had
a genocide committed against them now is the time that
you have to be stripped of all of your weapons
is just It's a sick sentiment that is being foisted
upon the Palestinian people right now, and it's not a
serious negotiating position.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Interesting, all right, Jeremyrol, Let's put Jeremy's reporting up on
the screen here as the first element in the block.
And you know, Jeremy, you can tell me the headline
you have here as weapons of willpower, Hamas and Islamics.
You hot on Trump's Gaza plan and people really need
to go and read this. First of all, you have
sort of the TikTok of how this deal came to
be and what the thinking was from the Palestinian resistance factions,
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how they're viewing the quote unquote ceasefire at this point,
the sort of gamble that they took in deciding to
make this deal, and what their current thinking and position
is now. But in a sense, and you could tell
me if I'm wrong about this, I'm sort of getting
like Abraham Accord vibes, where there's this, oh, we've achieved
peace in the Middle East, and you're just completely pretending
like the Palestinians don't exist any war, Like they're not
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going to have any kind of a say in what
the final outcome is here. And of course, you know,
we saw the way that that thinking all blew up
on October seventh. You know, is that kind of the
picture is we're just going to pretend like these people
don't exist and don't really have a say, and we're
just going to bulldoze Ford and pretend like we've achieved
some sort of monumental Middle Eastern piece without working out
any of these more difficult details.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah, I mean my colleague Jawa Ahmed and I interviewed
major Palestinian resistance figures from both Hamas and Islamic Jihad,
and I would just say that it is journalistic malpractice
on the part of Western news organizations not to conduct
these kinds of interviews. It's also a disservice to the
public because when you actually speak to Palestinians that are
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often demonized and dehumanized in the media, primarily those that
represent the armed resistance factions in Hamas, you get a
very different sense of what their position is than when
you just allow it to be filtered through the microphone
of net and Yahoo or unfortunately even Steve Whitkoff. And
so what we tried to do was basically say this
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is a real story and we should understand what their
position is. And what they're saying to us is that
almost all of the discussions happening about what should happen
in Palestine are taking place without actually speaking to the
Palestinians who are going to be impacted by it or
need to sign up for any agreement. It seems like
they want to just try to make a deal, not
even involving Mahmudabas, but using the fact that he's head
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of the Palestinian authority. When you have a wide range
of Palestinian factions that have agreed on a set of
principles that are a sound basis for negotiating. So if I,
as an independent journalist, can seek out these people and
talk to them to just fact check what is their
actual position, then US negotiators should be doing the same
on a regular basis before announcing to the world decisions
they've made on behalf of an occupied people or that's
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going to be imposed on an occupied people.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us, Jeremy
incredible reporting.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
As always, we appreciate you man.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Thank you guys, keep up the great work.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Turning down to Jonathan Pollard. So if we watched the
Friday Show, you would have known Jonathan Pollard a convicted
trader to the United States. He was an American citizen.
He was working for the US security establishment. He sold
secrets to Israel. Israel sold many of those secrets to
the Soviet Union, endangering a lot of US national security imperatives.
At the time he was caught, he was convicted. He
spent some thirty years in the United States prison system.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
He was released.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
After his release, he was actually granted special release from
his parole conditions by the Trump administration, and Miriam Adleston
herself had her jet fly him to Israel, where he
got a hero's welcome. He's attained citizenship there while he's
been enjoying his time in Israel, his country that he
has chosen himself. He in fact, recently in July, got
(18:23):
an invitation from the United States Ambassador Mike Huckabee. So
he set foot back on US soil in the US
Embassy of Jerusalem. And while he was there at the
US Embassy Jerusalem, he confirmed his meeting with Mike Huckabee.
He thanked Mike Huckabee for advocating for his release while
he was a convicted trader to the United States. And
perhaps they discussed a few other things, and we just
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wanted to give everyone a taste of who mister Pollard is.
So here he is in a recent interview where he
says that if the United States threatens a ceasefire on
Israel and forces them to accept a ceasefire, they should
consider nuking the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
I said, well, I believe that the Obiden administration, as
I called it, did threaten us. But I said, you're
mistaken if you think there's never a choice. There was
a choice. He said, well, what is it to have
our weapons cut off? I said no. Let me bring
you back to October nineteen seventy three during the Kippur War,
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when Henry Kissinger instituted an arms embargo against US. He
stopped the aerial resupply of our army at that point
to extract diplomatic concessions from US.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
And what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What happened was.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
At a four skyhawk was parked at Telnoth air Base
with some interesting weapons under its wings, and we told
the Americans, take your eye in the sky and take
a good look at the airplane that's on that runway.
And the next day the airlifts started. So the guy
(20:09):
that I was talking which airlift to to Israel the arms.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Aer So, in other words, we threatened there.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
We threatened to use unconventional weapons. I'll leave it at that,
And so he said, is this what your want us
to threaten now? I said absolutely, except this time I
want us to go forward with it if necessary. If
they think we're bluffing, we go forward with it.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Look in wait, some people might look at this and
hear you saying these things and say he's a dangerous dude.
You know, he's he could you know, blow up the
entire Middle East.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Well, I guess people really haven't been keeping their eyes
open since October seventh because the whole Middle East has
blown up.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So that's who we're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I mean, by the way, my favorite part of
that video is he still pretending Israel doesn't have nukes,
like nuclear ambiguity, like.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Some interesting weapons.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm like, Jonathan con we well know that we know
you have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Brother, Uh you know one of.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Those where I like the heart where she's like some
might say this is dangerous, Yeah, you think so. But
this is the guy that our ambassador has decided to
spend his time with. This man, it's I mean, it's
completely insane. And by the way, Trump condoned it.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
He condoned it. Let's let's play that from the White
House podium. They condoned this meeting. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
The Ambassador, Mike Huckabee had a meeting with Jonathan Pollard,
a former US citizen who was convicted and spent three
decades in jail for selling state secrets to Israel.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Did the White House know that that meeting was going
to happen?
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Does the administration condona.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
The White House was not aware of that meeting.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
But the President stands by our ambassador Mike Huckabee and
all that he's doing for the United States and Israel.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
The White House, Uh, you know, stands behind my Okay, Okay,
I don't know. I mean this this really sent me
over the edge. I was so upset about this, and
I think it's just I think it just clicks all
the boxes.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You have our ambassador invite he's I mean, this guy's
a trader, like an actual trader, like you know, like
convicted trader, sold secrets to Israel. And I mean the
whole time he was in prison, there was a huge
campaign bb net and Yahoo.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
We used to visit him in prison.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
By the way, he was, you know, all of these
pro Israel billionaires and others agitated multiple presidents from Bill
Clinton on up to pardon him. They were like, oh,
it's just spying amongst Like no, he sold secrets from
America to Israel, endangered the United States. By the way,
the Israelis didn't give a shit about the United States.
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They just sold him to the Soviets, right, They're happy
to do it. They don't care, they don't care about us,
but all we do is care about them. And to
have that guy be invited as a guest to the
United States Embassy, I just can't stand it. It's like,
I don't think any self respecting nation can stand for
people who literally seem to care more about another country
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than their own, and especially in a diplomatic but so
I also don't want to say on the right it
was all this discussion doctor Carls and Nick Flenttes. These
people don't have shit to say about the US ambassador
actually inviting a literal trader to the US embassy. Nothing zip,
zero they advocate for.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's my thing.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
They these are people who actually have power. The ambassador
confirmed by the United States Senate. Has a single Republican
centator said anything about this. One should be recla, should
be impeached, removed from office at the very least by
President Trump. And then these people talking one about foreign interference.
These people want to bitch and moan about Katari influence
or whatever. You see any spies getting invited to the
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US embassy in Doha last time.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I chever anywhere else around the world the carve out
for this.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It's sickening for a free for an independent nation allegedly
that we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I can't stand it. I just can't. It makes me sick,
like physically ill.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I mean, it's such an important incident too, because it's
so revealing of where the of where Israeli society is
and the level of you know, total psychopathy and deranged behavior,
you know, collared. In that clip that we played, not
only does he say that we should be threatened with
nukes and they should actually use them if we don't
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do what Israel wants us to do, but he also Yeah,
I mean, it's just like completely insane that this is
uttered in any sort of a mainstream setting like that
you could say this on camera and then you can
get invited in to meet with the ambassador like this
is just insanely, insanely wild. And then the other part
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of the history that Ryan has been pointing out is,
you know, when he was in prison, so the Israelis
effectively low key threatened Bill Clinton during the peace negotiations
that were going on. Ben As part of the Oslo
Accords threatened Bill Clinton with like the release of the
Lewinsky tapes, and as part of that pushed Clinton to
(25:11):
release Pollard Tenant. George Tenant at the time was like,
I'm resigning if you do that. So, you know, they
did not go forward with that at that time. Then
when he was up for parole under the Obama administration,
that's what he ends up being released. But you know,
the way that we I don't know, the way that
we allow them to push us around, the way that
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we would allow someone who would say something about like
that about our country to meet with our ambassador. It's
pretty mind boggling. It's hard to imagine another scenario where
this would happen. Then you were saying earlier, Sagerlake, and
then you've got Trump calling Margery Taylor Green a trader
while your ambassador is meeting with an actual, literal, convicted trader.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
That's the part that galls me the most. And then
the silence, you know, from the political establishment endorsed meeting
this guy. By the way, you know, I just want
to say this, it wasn't a lot of talk about
you guys want to know who broker that meeting. His
name is David Milstein. You know who steps on? He is, oh,
Mark Levin. That's right, interesting, interesting, isn't it? This guy,
you know, his step son of Mark Levin. Most one
(26:15):
of the most pro Israel right wing commentators in the
United States is literally broking, brokering meters with a straight
up trader to America in Israel. And this guy is
on our soil agitating against anybody who's against Israel, says
their anti American. Who's the real anti American? Mark, Who's
the real anti American? Maybe talk about your own steps on.
Let's go to the next one, you know, on mister
Pollard again, just to show everybody who he is and
(26:38):
how loyal he is to Israel. E three, let's put
this up here on the screen. He says anti Israel
insiders in the US may have leaked his huckebe meeting
to try to get him fired. The funny thing is,
in the same interview, he goes after Jared Kushner and
Steve witcosh Wickkoff and says that they're pushing a Saudi
and a Katari agenda. He even said that Donald Trump
(26:58):
had sold a Erica out for Saudi gold. So even
even he Trump is not pro Israel enough for Jonathan Pollard. Okay,
and go to the next part again. I love in
a way I like Jonathan. He says the quiet part
out loud, you know, he just says this stuff straight up. Oh,
they're working for Saudi, They're working for guitar. Trump is
(27:18):
actually not pro Israel enough. He should have let us
wipe Gaze off the face of the earth. He said
he wants to colonize Gaza. He's actually considering a run
for the Kanesset. He's a hero, you know, in that country,
and that's what they think of us. Okay, So they
they are willing to elevate this guy who's a trader
to America. They call themselves allies, and they take a
(27:39):
literal trader and they elevate him, and then they you know,
and then they let him spout off. It's just it's incredible.
And then we're the ones to sit here and we
invite him into our embassy, into our embassy to when
inviting with the US ambassador for what reason.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Also, here's the thing nobody's denying the White.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
House does at NYA, Mike Huckabee confirmed, meaning they have
no shame, zero, They're just they're like, yeah, we met
with him, what's the problem, what's the.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Problem And what message is that sent to net Nyahoo
about what sort of like psycho behavior and ideology is
that will we'll stand by that will allow because I
mean this is also this is a window into the
political forces that net Yahoo is responsible to, you know,
within his own coalition. You know, this is a guy
(28:24):
who's like, he's like a a Pollard would be aligned
with like the Smotridges and the ben Gaviers of the world,
and is you know, probably perhaps even more extreme than
they are, although that's hard to imagine, but I haven't
heard either of them outwardly in public saying that the
US should literally be nuked if we do something that
they don't like. These are the political forces that are
(28:45):
ascendant in Israel and are incredibly important in terms of
the politics that come out here. So you had Pollard
in that original clip saying, yeah, and the entire Middle
East blew up. It's like, yeah, you guys blew up
the entire Middle East like you all did that, you know,
as part of the Great or Israel project. How many
countries are you have you bombed. How many countries are
you bombing right now? How many ceasefires are you violating
(29:07):
right now? These are the operative politics and where the
pressure points are in Israeli society. I think that's important
to understand as well.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, that's well said. And I don't know, I mean,
there's just so much. I'll just leave it at this.
This is what we're dealing with. I'll give credit to
a few guys like Steve Bannon said he should be recalled.
There's been a few others, but by and large, the
entire political right is silent on this.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, Zee, and that Milstein character has a lot for
a guy who's just like an aid to an ambassador,
has so much power within this administration basically runs the
Israel Polityeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And if anybody wants to see our interview with the
fired State Department employee he talks about Stavid Milstein's power,
you can. It's on our channel. We were actually the
first people to interview him. He also was on the
Tucker Carlson Show. You can listen to that as well.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You got to you got to you got learn.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Who's running this country. You got to learn who's run
in this country. Okay, let's go head and take a
listen to Steve Bannon. Then last word from him on
my Kuckabee.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And Huckabee the clown ambassador, who's an embarrassment totally Bert
what he's saying with this insanity. He ought to be
recalled immediately and removed.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Immediately.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
There you go, you should be recalled. It's insanity. At
least somebody said it. But I'm probably thinking that's the
last one.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean, Huckabee is such a religious extremist too. I
mean genuinely, he's just like an absolute ideological zealot. All right,
let's get to this fun one. This is a fun one,
and let me give some credit to Elon. This was Meanwhile,
all of our dms are fucked, But we did get
one good new feature out of x slash Twitter, which
(30:47):
is they created the ability to see where all of
these accounts are actually based. And lo and behold a
bunch of these large maga accounts that really kind of
came out of no where after Elon.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Took over Twitter.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
They are, you know, in They're in Bangladesh, they're in Nigeria,
they're in India, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Daily Beast did a ride up.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I saw NBC News had a ride up this morning
as well, and we grabbed go ahead and put this
slide shoe up on the screen, a slideshow of a
bunch of the different accounts here that have foreign origin.
So you can see here Maga Nation is one of
the ones that is based overseas. You've got this Avanka
Trump News account as well that is apparently based overseas.
(31:32):
Let's go ahead and see the next one as well,
Ultra Maga. This sone's in Nigeria since November twenty twenty five.
Very recent. Let's put the next one up on the screen.
Defiant els this one. I'm very familiar. I see this
one all the time. Based in Japan, Asuka Graper in
New Zealand. Dark Maga based in Thailand, apparently joined in
(31:53):
June from the UK. Got another one here registered nurse
six years with an NGO in Africa. They that this
person just changed her bio to claim she's an American
nurse in Africa after it was exposed that her account
is based in Nigeria. We got any more of these guys?
I think that might be the last one. Oh noe,
we got another one, Emma Brunette. Under Trump, we saw
(32:15):
historic growth and prosperity. I'm ready for repeat in twenty
twenty four, based in West Asia. So pretty extraordinary. I mean,
I think basically what happened here is Elon made it
possible to you know, to create accounts on Twitter and
to make money off of them. And so you had
a bunch of people from the developing world, where you know,
(32:36):
a little bit of money goes a long way, or like, hey,
I can get in on this game, you know, let
me go in and jump into American politics and say
all these very sort of like tribal, reactionary and inflammatory things,
get a ton of clout and a ton of attention,
and it was a successful model. A bunch of these
accounts grew up and became quite significant, and Elon pumped
them into all of our feeds. And on the one hand, Sager,
(33:00):
you know, on the serious side of this, because this
is all, you know, pretty amusing to watch unfold, On
the serious side of this, it does big questions about
the way we're perceiving our own politics when you have
these large accounts that are just basically foreign bots. On
the other hand, you know, if the sort of like
energy and division wasn't there to begin with, these accounts
(33:23):
would not have been nearly as successful and growing in
the way that they did. Now, of course there's a
lot of algorithmic feeding in all of that as well,
but they seized on this very divisive moment in American
politics and just blew it up.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, though, I think what's interesting about this is
at the very beginning this I called it. I said
this monetization is bad, Like in general, paying for verification,
paying for boosting in the algorithm invites every grifter in
the world to try and to elevate, like literally every
grifter in the entire world to try to elevate or
(33:59):
create some of device of politics. I'm not saying the
original system was fair. I'm just saying this system is
much worse and it's terrible. What it has done has
basically created all of these like fake actual fake news
accounts which just tweet complete distorted bullshit, and you've created
this entire ecosystem so called influencers or whatever. They're all
doing this for cash. And I mean, I've been open
(34:21):
about this. I can actually even check right now to
see how much money that I've earned from Twitter over
the last.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Like two years.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I think in all total it's like twelve or thirteen
thousand dollars. I'm not going to say that it's not
a lot of money. However, as you and I know
Crystal in terms of YouTube, in terms of it's like
literally any other social media platform, I would be roughly
like ten to twenty times better off doing something on
those platforms than on Twitter. That's part of the reason
(34:50):
why it makes more sense that all of these accounts
are based in the third world, because that's actually a
lot of money over there. Over here, we couldn't even
turn the lights on or whatever in our studio in
terms of for like a month if we wanted to,
so just to be transparent again in terms of the
amount of money, and I have a fine account, you know,
a couple like half a million followers or something like that,
(35:10):
they don't even have that, but they're like out here
like going for pennies. The point though, is that monetization,
and specifically monetization for attention on Twitter specifically, was entirely
engineered around whipping up like certain types of politics and
going after like very specific niche groups, and it does
(35:31):
actually make you question how much of what you see
is real. I mean, under the previous regime, there was
all this concern about bots and about foreign influence. I mean, look,
as you said, credit credit where it's due. You know,
you did reveal that a lot of this stuff, a
lot of these people are actually straight up foreigners and
they have it actually makes sense because a lot of
times they're misspelling names and all this other stuff. But
(35:52):
it also, I mean, I don't think it's a good
look that so many people were duped and were you know,
either duped or involved or elevated a lot of these
types of accounts which very clearly have always been in
it for the money.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, well, I mean it does.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I think actually the people that it's screwed the most
is Republicans because it created a sense that these politics
were way more sort of like widespread and popular than
they actually were. I mean, we've talked before about how
after Elon took over, like the number of just out
the amount of outright like nazi or white nationalists posting
that you could just see on the regular and that
would get massive engagement, absolutely exploded, And I think it's
(36:34):
clear a significant chunk of that was foreigners who are
just looking to jump in the fray and say the
most outrageous thing and reactionary things they possibly could to
engagement farm. And then that creates a sense, a misimpression
of like how widespread these politics are and how much
purchase they're getting. Now, in a certain sense, I think
(36:56):
there's like a it creates almost like a you know,
creates its own destiny because then people are like, oh,
if that's the way people think, there's like a crowd
effect or like a sheep effect, you know, where if
you feel like this is an ascendate view, more people
are willing to attach themselves to it. So I think
it does create somewhat of a momentum in that direction.
(37:17):
But I think it also confused a lot of Republicans
who are super online into thinking that this was a
much more popular direction than it really was. And so
that's how you end up with like, you know, the dhs,
just like four Chan and Nazi posting and thinking that
this was a win and that this was going to
be super based and get widespread acceptance.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think it's it's helped to create this right wing
bubble where they believed much more that what they were doing,
that everything that they were doing, and the like you know,
the crazy videos they're putting out and all this like
sadistic rituals that they're doing, that this would find much
more mainstream acceptance that it actually has.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Many as possible.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I think it's also litle bit convenient in particular for
a lot of the ax And I'm not going to
say or deny that explicit Nazi and anti Semitism stuff
is out there, but I mean, look, we can't deny
the twenty twenty four election. I wouldn't say that that
was foreign influence, right, like people did ultimately vote for Trump.
So I think it's actually more of a creation for
a specific style of politics instead of like say, the
(38:21):
view itself. So what you were saying there about like
hype videos with THEO Vaughn right from the DHS that
our posted, that is something that I would say that
they're duped into thinking that's more popular necessarily than it is.
I also think, you know, really what it comes down
to is that these people are just and when I
(38:42):
say too online, I actually really do mean in the
Republican case too on Twitter, because if you spend time
online on the general Internet, you can find a lot
of anti Trump stuff or say that they're unpopular. The
amount of time that they're specifically engaged in Twitter niche
discussion politics and specifically tailoring NA messaging to that is
highly damaging. Ironically, this is the same problem that the
(39:05):
left had, let's say, in twenty seventeen and two thousands,
or even before that. Honestly, you could have very much
convinced yourself that defund the police and I don't know,
trans Mania or any of this stuff was way more
popular than it actually was if you specifically spent your
time on Tumblr and on Twitter. And of course I
got a reality check I think in the twenty sixteen,
(39:27):
twenty twenty, and twenty four election, and I think that
the Republicans will have not no Republicans. The Republican activist
class in particular, which is very very very very much
lives on Twitter and makes that into a very big
part of their own social circle, of their reality and
measures their worth against.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's a selection biased specifically, and the platform itself incentivizes outrageousness,
and in some ways many all of them do, but
in particular this one just from the way that it's
all set up and engineering yourself, your personality and all
that for online and you know, retweets. It should at
the very least have a check, I think internally to
say how much of this shit is real? Because what
(40:08):
you can see here is a lot of it's fake.
A lot of yeah, it's fake.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Just when you're seeing these people who around here posting
about Western civilization and the decline of the white race
and whatever, just just check through, you know, click through,
find where they're posting from, and be very skeptical of
the set because a lot of these you know types
of accounts, it turns out is some dude in Nigeria
who's just you know, trying it. He's just he's on
(40:34):
his grind, you know, he's got his grind set.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
He's trying to make it. Well that's the thing. I mean,
you know he's decided to do.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I'm very open about it.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I think it's like four hundred bucks a month or something.
I mean, look, it just goes to the company. But
I mean that's not enough to even find like, you know,
a little bit of production. But so people who accused,
they're like, oh, you only post about weed or property
tax and get.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Listen, I'm doing it for the love of the game.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
All right, I'm doing this purely for the love of
the game, so as you can all see, if I
really wanted to just post to make money, it's it's
much easier to uh, yeah, to be like the Indian
white nationalist or something like that. That's a lot easier
actually to gain some traction. So but no, I'm doing
this purely because.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I like driving market for that.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, apparently there is a large market for it, which
is kind of hilarious and ironic. And if anybody sees
any other good examples, let us know, tweet it out
and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, all right, I will say there are a lot
of fake screenshots out there floating around to so yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Be careful.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, I forgot that. I created my account in November
twenty eleven. Biggest mistake I ever made.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Just looking back, I can believe I was on turned
out to be a major pivot point in your.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Life as a sophomore in college. All right, Okay, all right,
I think that's it for us, Crystal. You're still at
home tomorrow, but we'll see tomorrow, and yeah, we'll see
you then.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
So we've got a lot that's going on with Israel
this morning that we are tracking, and put D five
up on the screen. They've now violated the ceasefire again,
I should say in Lebanon. This is VEO of building
in Beroot southern suburbs that Israel bomb. They killed at
least five people injured twenty eight, according to Lebanon's Health Ministry,
as reported by drop site News. They say they have
(00:57):
assassinated Hezbolah's chief of staff. They are claiming that they
were able to accomplish that. I don't know if we
have confirmation from Hesbela or not, but joining us to
break this down as well as there are continued violations
of the ceasefire in Gaza. Is Jeremy Scahill, of course,
co founder of drop site News.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Great to see Jeremy Man.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Great to be back, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, of course. So let's start with Lebanon.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What do we know about what happened here and give
a little bit of context about how routinely Israel has
been violating this ceasefire.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Well, let's remember that there supposedly has been a ceasefire
in Lebanon for roughly the past year, and Israel has
just repeatedly violated it, continuing to carry out heavy bombings.
I mean, many Lebanese civilians have died. And what we've
seen happen over the past couple of days is that
despite this ceasefire to which Hesbella is a party, Israel
(01:48):
has continued to target commanders of Hesbelah. And I just
emphasized that because when you sign a ceasefire, you're signing
a ceasefire between two armed parties. And so in the
case of Gaza, the party that Israel signed as ceasefire
with is in fact Hamas, and yet Israel continues to
(02:08):
conduct these operations where they're killing commanders of the Casam brigades.
Israel's killed more than three hundred and forty Palestinians in
Gaza since October tenth, when this ceasefire was put into place.
The majority of those are women and children, but they
are in fact continuing to target the armed combatants on
the other side of this ceasefire deal. Now, anytime Palestinians
(02:30):
are accused of firing at Israeli troops, the portrayal of
it is, oh, my god, Hamas is violating the ceasefire.
But this is Israeli policy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The late Palestinian poet Rafat e Larreir, who was assassinated
by Israel, said that when they signed these agreements, it
means you cease and we fire. So what we're seeing
is Netanyahu Will Trump is projecting this idea that he's
implemented this peace agreement that's the greatest thing to happen
in the Middle East in millennia. You know, he called
it one of the great moments in civilization. You have
(02:59):
net Nyah who clearly concerned that actually some form of
a ceasefire will maintain, and so he's serving as his
role that he's perfected as the arsonist in chief in
the region. And we're seeing this happening in both Lebanon
and certainly in Gaza on a daily basis since October tenth.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, So speaking of nets on Yahu, one of the
craziest developments I've ever seen. D two guys, let's put
it up here on the screen. Is Bib Netanyahu sharing
a Jacobin article about Jeffrey Epstein claimed to have medal
int Israel's elections, which references drop site reporting. Jeremy, I
(03:37):
just you know, Drop Site co founder, what is your
reaction here and break down some of the reporting that
you guys actually put out and why Bebe seems to
be entranced by it.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
You know, this is a story also that has not,
for the most part, penetrated the broader corporate media or
the Western media at all. My colleagues Ryan Graham and
Martaza Hussein have just been churning out expose after expose,
and you know, even even some people in the alternative
media landscape are mischaracterizing what they're actually reporting and saying
(04:11):
that it's this salacious gossip thing and sort of comparing it,
you know, to Russiagate, you know, hysteria. This is very
serious reporting that is showing this these deep ties that
Jeffrey Epstein had two very powerful individuals in Israel. Ahud Barak,
the former Israeli Prime Minister, has been at the center
(04:32):
of a number of these reports showing his connections to
Jeffrey Epstein Mosad figures who were staying at Epstein linked properties,
Epstein weighing in and advising on Israeli electoral politics, which
is what caused net Yahou to come out and and
post a Jacobin article, which is extraordinary, and you know,
in the in the Hebrew language press, people are sort
(04:54):
of losing their mind about this and saying, you know,
net Yahoo you know, is so desperate to sort of
distract from you know, his other narratives that he's even
willing to put forward stories from quote unquote anti Israel
news outlets. But this is very serious reporting that Ryan
Graham and Murtaza Hussein are doing, and it's really malpracticed
that other major news organizations are not focusing on this.
(05:17):
They're going straight for some of the you know, other
things that are newsworthy, and this is all sort of
being distilled through the lens of Capitol Hill politics. But
we're showing yet again that someone who was in contact
with Bill Clinton, someone who was in contact with Donald Trump,
someone who was in contact with very powerful people in
both corporate and government entities in the United States, was
(05:38):
simultaneously in communication with the power brokers in Israel and
clearly had ties to Israeli intelligence.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, it's crazy, It's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean, what could been more important than understanding
these dimensions of power that are usually invisible to the public,
whether it's the American public or the global public, and
to get a window into these emails back and forth
in the way these deals are being done. I mean,
it's hard for me to think of what topic you
could explore that would be more significant, more consequential to
(06:11):
your point about the freak ount of this. Bb Nanna's
sharing of a jack of an article, which is a
pretty wild thing. Former Prime Minister Ahu Brock, who of
course is the subject in whose email inbox was the
one that was hacked, which is why Ryan and Massa
been able to do so much of this reporting. He
actually got asked a question about this and responded to it,
let's go ahead and.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Play D three.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
The publication was in a kind of publication named Jacobin
or something like this, which is extremely anti Semi East
and extremely anti easily publication. I wonder how it comes
that the primaryster found the time to identify. Probably it
was held by a son who spent his time now
(06:55):
or not in the front but in Miami and the
whole store always nonsense, you know, it's probably Epstein. Try
to argan as a little bit is whole and is
activities and so on. I regret of ever meeting him.
I was quite friendly with him, for you've met many
(07:17):
times on business issues and others. This story of intervening
in Israeli election is total nonsense.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Classic to frame them as anti Semitic, of course.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Well also, you know, when you're desperate, when you've been exposed,
what you try to do then is attack the messenger,
implying that facts are not facts because of the news
outlet where they happen to be published. And I should say,
by the way, that you know Jacobin does very rigorous journalism,
and certainly the stories that we've been doing for a
drop site have been fact checked, they've been legally reviewed.
(07:49):
We go for comment to the relevant parties involved. Ahud
Barak has refused to offer any comment on this, So
the facts are going to speak for themselves, as in
all responsible journalism.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
They good.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So you know whether Barack wants to actually take this
on or he wants to minimize his relationship with Epstein.
I think that his own emails tell a story that
is very devastating for him and speaks to something much
broader about the cozy relationship that Jeffrey Epstein had to
powerbrokers across continents.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think what's so fascinating to me about this entire
story is how these Raelis are currently feuding amongst themselves
over whether Epstein was an Israeli asset. But the US
media is ignoring all of this work. And I think
the reason why it's important at a more meta level
is for what we began this with is that Israel
is currently violating this Lebanon ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We also have I believe we have.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Some of the reports here about this most recent attack
in Gaza D six. Can we put that up there
on the screen. I mean, they just launched strikes in
Gaza and quote latest test of ceasefire as some twenty
four Gozzin's were killed. So, Jeremy, even this tenuous ceasefire
is not sticking, and strikes at the very least are
continuing at a much lower level.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, imagine, sorry, imagine if Hamas had killed twenty four Israelis.
Do you think it will be a test of the
ceasefire anyway, Go ahead, Jeremy, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I mean what we're seeing here is that, you know,
Trump essentially saved Israel from itself when he pushed through
this deal. You know, Israel had totally failed to cause
a surrender of the Palestinian resistance. The Casam brigades and
so Riel coulds and the broader armed resistance in Gaza
didn't wave the white flag. They were still holding twenty
(09:34):
Israeli captives, and you know, Israel killed a number of
its own captives over the two years of the genocide.
Those Israeli captives were not going to be released by
military force. Trump put a big emphasis on wanting to
get them freed for his own reason. I think Trump
genuinely didn't understand the Nobel Peace Prize process, and I
(09:55):
think he thought he was going to sort of get
in under the wire and force this deal so that
he could pick up Nobel Peace Prize even though the
voting had already happened and he wasn't up for it
in this round. But also this constellation that we've talked
about on this program before, of these corporate and business
interests involving the Trump family, business, the Trump organization, money
(10:15):
from Arab Gulf states. But what I would say in
the broader sense is that this so called peace agreement
is a net positive for Israel and net Yahoo because Netnyah,
who was facing indictment by the International Criminal Court, he
had his own criminal proceedings that are still underway inside
of Israel. Israel wasn't militarily actually winning the war against Gaza.
(10:38):
What it was succeeding in doing was mass murdering large
numbers of Palestinians, overwhelmingly women and children. And what Trump
is doing here is twofold. On the one hand, they're
trying to rebrand what Israel has done over the past
two years of this genocide as somehow the precursor to
this epic piece. And he went to the Kanesset. He
(10:58):
gave this kind of reverse Nuremberg Tribunal performance where it
was the war criminals celebrating themselves, and Israel's war of
annihilation agenda is going to continue in a rebranded format.
And now they're saying that the main issue is we
need to disarm the Palestinians. Trump pulled off an enormous
diplomatic coup by getting the United Nations Security Council to
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endorse his so called Board of Peace. What this is
the UN authorizing Trump to be commander in chief of
what is almost certainly going to be a largely privatized
military force that is going to deploy in Gaza with
a central mission of disarming the Palestinians. This is a
huge victory for Israel also because Israel, which constantly attacks
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the United Nations, can say, now the UN Security Council
has said, the Palestinians need to bend the knee. The
Palestinians don't actually have a right to armed resistance. And
so what I think we're going to see now is
this huge push demanding that the Palestinians disarm. Just got
done speaking to a wide range of leaders from Palestinian
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resistance factions, both armed and unarmed, and what I think
we're seeing is that, with the exception of Mahmudabas, who
has single digit popularity from the Palestinian authority, he endorsed
this move at the UN Security Council, every single other
Palestinian faction is rejecting it right now. And so this
is going to call the question on it. If Trump
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actually wants there to be a lasting peace agreement, they
need to back off of this colonialist agenda. Whether Hamas
or Palestinian Islamic Jihad are sort of gone from the
scene is irrelevant to this history. There's going to be
other groups that are going to rise up. One bit
of nuance here though, that I want to report.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
To you guys.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
When I was speaking to Muhammad al Hindi, who is
one of the co founders of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, one
of the most senior Palestinian resistance figures still alive and
participated directly in the negotiations, and I asked him about
this issue of disarmament. He said something interesting, which is
that if you establish a Palestinian state and you have
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a Palestinian armed force capable of defending itself, you won't
have a need for Islamic jihad or hamas. But he
also said that they told Steve Whitcoff and Jared Kushner
very clearly that they are open to something that is
akin to a sort of decommissioning process. That is that
if you had a UN peacekeeping force coming in separating
the Israelis from the Palestinians and stopping the genocide standing
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in the middle, and you established a Palestinian force, it
could even be a police force, and it could even
be under the control of the Palestinian authority, which has
endorsed Trump's plan that they would engage in a long
term truce with Israel where any weapons that appear on
the street from someone that that individual could be arrested,
that they would shut down the training sites, and that
they would make a long term commitment that the resistance
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would not use its weapons. If you actually want to
preserve Palestinian rights and you also want to achieve an
idea that there isn't going to be armed groups running
around with weapons. The Palestinians have a very moderate position
on this that no one ever wants to talk about.
It's this maximalist position of Israel, which isn't actually even
about the guns, because we're talking about very small arms
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that are overwhelmingly homemade inside of Gaza. Israel is using
this as a proxy to try to win the surrender
of the Palestinian cause, something it hasn't been able to
do militarily for seventy seven years. So, you know, if
there's any US negotiators watching this, I suggest you actually
listen to the nuance of what the Palestinians are saying,
because it's not a secret and their position, quite honestly,
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is a very reasonable one given the fact that there's
been this genocide. But telling the people that have had
a genocide committed against them now is the time that
you have to be stripped of all of your weapons
is just It's a sick sentiment that is being foisted
upon the Palestinian people right now, and it's not a
serious negotiating position.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Interesting, all right, Jeremyrol, Let's put Jeremy's reporting up on
the screen here as the first element in the block.
And you know, Jeremy, you can tell me the headline
you have here as weapons of willpower, Hamas and Islamics.
You hot on Trump's Gaza plan and people really need
to go and read this. First of all, you have
sort of the TikTok of how this deal came to
be and what the thinking was from the Palestinian resistance factions,
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how they're viewing the quote unquote ceasefire at this point,
the sort of gamble that they took in deciding to
make this deal, and what their current thinking and position
is now. But in a sense, and you could tell
me if I'm wrong about this, I'm sort of getting
like Abraham Accord vibes, where there's this, oh, we've achieved
peace in the Middle East, and you're just completely pretending
like the Palestinians don't exist any war, Like they're not
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going to have any kind of a say in what
the final outcome is here. And of course, you know,
we saw the way that that thinking all blew up
on October seventh. You know, is that kind of the
picture is we're just going to pretend like these people
don't exist and don't really have a say, and we're
just going to bulldoze Ford and pretend like we've achieved
some sort of monumental Middle Eastern piece without working out
any of these more difficult details.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah, I mean my colleague Jawa Ahmed and I interviewed
major Palestinian resistance figures from both Hamas and Islamic Jihad,
and I would just say that it is journalistic malpractice
on the part of Western news organizations not to conduct
these kinds of interviews. It's also a disservice to the
public because when you actually speak to Palestinians that are
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often demonized and dehumanized in the media, primarily those that
represent the armed resistance factions in Hamas, you get a
very different sense of what their position is than when
you just allow it to be filtered through the microphone
of net and Yahoo or unfortunately even Steve Whitkoff. And
so what we tried to do was basically say this
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is a real story and we should understand what their
position is. And what they're saying to us is that
almost all of the discussions happening about what should happen
in Palestine are taking place without actually speaking to the
Palestinians who are going to be impacted by it or
need to sign up for any agreement. It seems like
they want to just try to make a deal, not
even involving Mahmudabas, but using the fact that he's head
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of the Palestinian authority. When you have a wide range
of Palestinian factions that have agreed on a set of
principles that are a sound basis for negotiating. So if I,
as an independent journalist, can seek out these people and
talk to them to just fact check what is their
actual position, then US negotiators should be doing the same
on a regular basis before announcing to the world decisions
they've made on behalf of an occupied people or that's
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going to be imposed on an occupied people.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us, Jeremy
incredible reporting.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
As always, we appreciate you man.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Thank you guys, keep up the great work.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Turning down to Jonathan Pollard. So if we watched the
Friday Show, you would have known Jonathan Pollard a convicted
trader to the United States. He was an American citizen.
He was working for the US security establishment. He sold
secrets to Israel. Israel sold many of those secrets to
the Soviet Union, endangering a lot of US national security imperatives.
At the time he was caught, he was convicted. He
spent some thirty years in the United States prison system.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
He was released.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
After his release, he was actually granted special release from
his parole conditions by the Trump administration, and Miriam Adleston
herself had her jet fly him to Israel, where he
got a hero's welcome. He's attained citizenship there while he's
been enjoying his time in Israel, his country that he
has chosen himself. He in fact, recently in July, got
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an invitation from the United States Ambassador Mike Huckabee. So
he set foot back on US soil in the US
Embassy of Jerusalem. And while he was there at the
US Embassy Jerusalem, he confirmed his meeting with Mike Huckabee.
He thanked Mike Huckabee for advocating for his release while
he was a convicted trader to the United States. And
perhaps they discussed a few other things, and we just
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wanted to give everyone a taste of who mister Pollard is.
So here he is in a recent interview where he
says that if the United States threatens a ceasefire on
Israel and forces them to accept a ceasefire, they should
consider nuking the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
I said, well, I believe that the Obiden administration, as
I called it, did threaten us. But I said, you're
mistaken if you think there's never a choice. There was
a choice. He said, well, what is it to have
our weapons cut off? I said no. Let me bring
you back to October nineteen seventy three during the Kippur War,
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when Henry Kissinger instituted an arms embargo against US. He
stopped the aerial resupply of our army at that point
to extract diplomatic concessions from US.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
And what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What happened was.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
At a four skyhawk was parked at Telnoth air Base
with some interesting weapons under its wings, and we told
the Americans, take your eye in the sky and take
a good look at the airplane that's on that runway.
And the next day the airlifts started. So the guy
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that I was talking which airlift to to Israel the arms.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Aer So, in other words, we threatened there.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
We threatened to use unconventional weapons. I'll leave it at that,
And so he said, is this what your want us
to threaten now? I said absolutely, except this time I
want us to go forward with it if necessary. If
they think we're bluffing, we go forward with it.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Look in wait, some people might look at this and
hear you saying these things and say he's a dangerous dude.
You know, he's he could you know, blow up the
entire Middle East.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Well, I guess people really haven't been keeping their eyes
open since October seventh because the whole Middle East has
blown up.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So that's who we're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I mean, by the way, my favorite part of
that video is he still pretending Israel doesn't have nukes,
like nuclear ambiguity, like.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Some interesting weapons.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm like, Jonathan con we well know that we know
you have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Brother, Uh you know one of.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Those where I like the heart where she's like some
might say this is dangerous, Yeah, you think so. But
this is the guy that our ambassador has decided to
spend his time with. This man, it's I mean, it's
completely insane. And by the way, Trump condoned it.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
He condoned it. Let's let's play that from the White
House podium. They condoned this meeting. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
The Ambassador, Mike Huckabee had a meeting with Jonathan Pollard,
a former US citizen who was convicted and spent three
decades in jail for selling state secrets to Israel.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Did the White House know that that meeting was going
to happen?
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Does the administration condona.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
The White House was not aware of that meeting.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
But the President stands by our ambassador Mike Huckabee and
all that he's doing for the United States and Israel.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
The White House, Uh, you know, stands behind my Okay, Okay,
I don't know. I mean this this really sent me
over the edge. I was so upset about this, and
I think it's just I think it just clicks all
the boxes.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You have our ambassador invite he's I mean, this guy's
a trader, like an actual trader, like you know, like
convicted trader, sold secrets to Israel. And I mean the
whole time he was in prison, there was a huge
campaign bb net and Yahoo.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
We used to visit him in prison.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
By the way, he was, you know, all of these
pro Israel billionaires and others agitated multiple presidents from Bill
Clinton on up to pardon him. They were like, oh,
it's just spying amongst Like no, he sold secrets from
America to Israel, endangered the United States. By the way,
the Israelis didn't give a shit about the United States.
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They just sold him to the Soviets, right, They're happy
to do it. They don't care, they don't care about us,
but all we do is care about them. And to
have that guy be invited as a guest to the
United States Embassy, I just can't stand it. It's like,
I don't think any self respecting nation can stand for
people who literally seem to care more about another country
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than their own, and especially in a diplomatic but so
I also don't want to say on the right it
was all this discussion doctor Carls and Nick Flenttes. These
people don't have shit to say about the US ambassador
actually inviting a literal trader to the US embassy. Nothing zip,
zero they advocate for.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's my thing.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
They these are people who actually have power. The ambassador
confirmed by the United States Senate. Has a single Republican
centator said anything about this. One should be recla, should
be impeached, removed from office at the very least by
President Trump. And then these people talking one about foreign interference.
These people want to bitch and moan about Katari influence
or whatever. You see any spies getting invited to the
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US embassy in Doha last time.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I chever anywhere else around the world the carve out
for this.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It's sickening for a free for an independent nation allegedly
that we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I can't stand it. I just can't. It makes me sick,
like physically ill.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I mean, it's such an important incident too, because it's
so revealing of where the of where Israeli society is
and the level of you know, total psychopathy and deranged behavior,
you know, collared. In that clip that we played, not
only does he say that we should be threatened with
nukes and they should actually use them if we don't
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do what Israel wants us to do, but he also Yeah,
I mean, it's just like completely insane that this is
uttered in any sort of a mainstream setting like that
you could say this on camera and then you can
get invited in to meet with the ambassador like this
is just insanely, insanely wild. And then the other part
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of the history that Ryan has been pointing out is,
you know, when he was in prison, so the Israelis
effectively low key threatened Bill Clinton during the peace negotiations
that were going on. Ben As part of the Oslo
Accords threatened Bill Clinton with like the release of the
Lewinsky tapes, and as part of that pushed Clinton to
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release Pollard Tenant. George Tenant at the time was like,
I'm resigning if you do that. So, you know, they
did not go forward with that at that time. Then
when he was up for parole under the Obama administration,
that's what he ends up being released. But you know,
the way that we I don't know, the way that
we allow them to push us around, the way that
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we would allow someone who would say something about like
that about our country to meet with our ambassador. It's
pretty mind boggling. It's hard to imagine another scenario where
this would happen. Then you were saying earlier, Sagerlake, and
then you've got Trump calling Margery Taylor Green a trader
while your ambassador is meeting with an actual, literal, convicted trader.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
That's the part that galls me the most. And then
the silence, you know, from the political establishment endorsed meeting
this guy. By the way, you know, I just want
to say this, it wasn't a lot of talk about
you guys want to know who broker that meeting. His
name is David Milstein. You know who steps on? He is, oh,
Mark Levin. That's right, interesting, interesting, isn't it? This guy,
you know, his step son of Mark Levin. Most one
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of the most pro Israel right wing commentators in the
United States is literally broking, brokering meters with a straight
up trader to America in Israel. And this guy is
on our soil agitating against anybody who's against Israel, says
their anti American. Who's the real anti American? Mark, Who's
the real anti American? Maybe talk about your own steps on.
Let's go to the next one, you know, on mister
Pollard again, just to show everybody who he is and
(26:38):
how loyal he is to Israel. E three, let's put
this up here on the screen. He says anti Israel
insiders in the US may have leaked his huckebe meeting
to try to get him fired. The funny thing is,
in the same interview, he goes after Jared Kushner and
Steve witcosh Wickkoff and says that they're pushing a Saudi
and a Katari agenda. He even said that Donald Trump
(26:58):
had sold a Erica out for Saudi gold. So even
even he Trump is not pro Israel enough for Jonathan Pollard. Okay,
and go to the next part again. I love in
a way I like Jonathan. He says the quiet part
out loud, you know, he just says this stuff straight up. Oh,
they're working for Saudi, They're working for guitar. Trump is
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actually not pro Israel enough. He should have let us
wipe Gaze off the face of the earth. He said
he wants to colonize Gaza. He's actually considering a run
for the Kanesset. He's a hero, you know, in that country,
and that's what they think of us. Okay, So they
they are willing to elevate this guy who's a trader
to America. They call themselves allies, and they take a
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literal trader and they elevate him, and then they you know,
and then they let him spout off. It's just it's incredible.
And then we're the ones to sit here and we
invite him into our embassy, into our embassy to when
inviting with the US ambassador for what reason.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Also, here's the thing nobody's denying the White.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
House does at NYA, Mike Huckabee confirmed, meaning they have
no shame, zero, They're just they're like, yeah, we met
with him, what's the problem, what's the.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Problem And what message is that sent to net Nyahoo
about what sort of like psycho behavior and ideology is
that will we'll stand by that will allow because I
mean this is also this is a window into the
political forces that net Yahoo is responsible to, you know,
within his own coalition. You know, this is a guy
(28:24):
who's like, he's like a a Pollard would be aligned
with like the Smotridges and the ben Gaviers of the world,
and is you know, probably perhaps even more extreme than
they are, although that's hard to imagine, but I haven't
heard either of them outwardly in public saying that the
US should literally be nuked if we do something that
they don't like. These are the political forces that are
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ascendant in Israel and are incredibly important in terms of
the politics that come out here. So you had Pollard
in that original clip saying, yeah, and the entire Middle
East blew up. It's like, yeah, you guys blew up
the entire Middle East like you all did that, you know,
as part of the Great or Israel project. How many
countries are you have you bombed. How many countries are
you bombing right now? How many ceasefires are you violating
(29:07):
right now? These are the operative politics and where the
pressure points are in Israeli society. I think that's important
to understand as well.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, that's well said. And I don't know, I mean,
there's just so much. I'll just leave it at this.
This is what we're dealing with. I'll give credit to
a few guys like Steve Bannon said he should be recalled.
There's been a few others, but by and large, the
entire political right is silent on this.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, Zee, and that Milstein character has a lot for
a guy who's just like an aid to an ambassador,
has so much power within this administration basically runs the
Israel Polityeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And if anybody wants to see our interview with the
fired State Department employee he talks about Stavid Milstein's power,
you can. It's on our channel. We were actually the
first people to interview him. He also was on the
Tucker Carlson Show. You can listen to that as well.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You got to you got to you got learn.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Who's running this country. You got to learn who's run
in this country. Okay, let's go head and take a
listen to Steve Bannon. Then last word from him on
my Kuckabee.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And Huckabee the clown ambassador, who's an embarrassment totally Bert
what he's saying with this insanity. He ought to be
recalled immediately and removed.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Immediately.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
There you go, you should be recalled. It's insanity. At
least somebody said it. But I'm probably thinking that's the
last one.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean, Huckabee is such a religious extremist too. I
mean genuinely, he's just like an absolute ideological zealot. All right,
let's get to this fun one. This is a fun one,
and let me give some credit to Elon. This was Meanwhile,
all of our dms are fucked, But we did get
one good new feature out of x slash Twitter, which
(30:47):
is they created the ability to see where all of
these accounts are actually based. And lo and behold a
bunch of these large maga accounts that really kind of
came out of no where after Elon.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Took over Twitter.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
They are, you know, in They're in Bangladesh, they're in Nigeria,
they're in India, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Daily Beast did a ride up.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I saw NBC News had a ride up this morning
as well, and we grabbed go ahead and put this
slide shoe up on the screen, a slideshow of a
bunch of the different accounts here that have foreign origin.
So you can see here Maga Nation is one of
the ones that is based overseas. You've got this Avanka
Trump News account as well that is apparently based overseas.
(31:32):
Let's go ahead and see the next one as well,
Ultra Maga. This sone's in Nigeria since November twenty twenty five.
Very recent. Let's put the next one up on the screen.
Defiant els this one. I'm very familiar. I see this
one all the time. Based in Japan, Asuka Graper in
New Zealand. Dark Maga based in Thailand, apparently joined in
(31:53):
June from the UK. Got another one here registered nurse
six years with an NGO in Africa. They that this
person just changed her bio to claim she's an American
nurse in Africa after it was exposed that her account
is based in Nigeria. We got any more of these guys?
I think that might be the last one. Oh noe,
we got another one, Emma Brunette. Under Trump, we saw
(32:15):
historic growth and prosperity. I'm ready for repeat in twenty
twenty four, based in West Asia. So pretty extraordinary. I mean,
I think basically what happened here is Elon made it
possible to you know, to create accounts on Twitter and
to make money off of them. And so you had
a bunch of people from the developing world, where you know,
(32:36):
a little bit of money goes a long way, or like, hey,
I can get in on this game, you know, let
me go in and jump into American politics and say
all these very sort of like tribal, reactionary and inflammatory things,
get a ton of clout and a ton of attention,
and it was a successful model. A bunch of these
accounts grew up and became quite significant, and Elon pumped
them into all of our feeds. And on the one hand, Sager,
(33:00):
you know, on the serious side of this, because this
is all, you know, pretty amusing to watch unfold, On
the serious side of this, it does big questions about
the way we're perceiving our own politics when you have
these large accounts that are just basically foreign bots. On
the other hand, you know, if the sort of like
energy and division wasn't there to begin with, these accounts
(33:23):
would not have been nearly as successful and growing in
the way that they did. Now, of course there's a
lot of algorithmic feeding in all of that as well,
but they seized on this very divisive moment in American
politics and just blew it up.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, though, I think what's interesting about this is
at the very beginning this I called it. I said
this monetization is bad, Like in general, paying for verification,
paying for boosting in the algorithm invites every grifter in
the world to try and to elevate, like literally every
grifter in the entire world to try to elevate or
(33:59):
create some of device of politics. I'm not saying the
original system was fair. I'm just saying this system is
much worse and it's terrible. What it has done has
basically created all of these like fake actual fake news
accounts which just tweet complete distorted bullshit, and you've created
this entire ecosystem so called influencers or whatever. They're all
doing this for cash. And I mean, I've been open
(34:21):
about this. I can actually even check right now to
see how much money that I've earned from Twitter over
the last.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Like two years.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I think in all total it's like twelve or thirteen
thousand dollars. I'm not going to say that it's not
a lot of money. However, as you and I know
Crystal in terms of YouTube, in terms of it's like
literally any other social media platform, I would be roughly
like ten to twenty times better off doing something on
those platforms than on Twitter. That's part of the reason
(34:50):
why it makes more sense that all of these accounts
are based in the third world, because that's actually a
lot of money over there. Over here, we couldn't even
turn the lights on or whatever in our studio in
terms of for like a month if we wanted to,
so just to be transparent again in terms of the
amount of money, and I have a fine account, you know,
a couple like half a million followers or something like that,
(35:10):
they don't even have that, but they're like out here
like going for pennies. The point though, is that monetization,
and specifically monetization for attention on Twitter specifically, was entirely
engineered around whipping up like certain types of politics and
going after like very specific niche groups, and it does
(35:31):
actually make you question how much of what you see
is real. I mean, under the previous regime, there was
all this concern about bots and about foreign influence. I mean, look,
as you said, credit credit where it's due. You know,
you did reveal that a lot of this stuff, a
lot of these people are actually straight up foreigners and
they have it actually makes sense because a lot of
times they're misspelling names and all this other stuff. But
(35:52):
it also, I mean, I don't think it's a good
look that so many people were duped and were you know,
either duped or involved or elevated a lot of these
types of accounts which very clearly have always been in
it for the money.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, well, I mean it does.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I think actually the people that it's screwed the most
is Republicans because it created a sense that these politics
were way more sort of like widespread and popular than
they actually were. I mean, we've talked before about how
after Elon took over, like the number of just out
the amount of outright like nazi or white nationalists posting
that you could just see on the regular and that
would get massive engagement, absolutely exploded, And I think it's
(36:34):
clear a significant chunk of that was foreigners who are
just looking to jump in the fray and say the
most outrageous thing and reactionary things they possibly could to
engagement farm. And then that creates a sense, a misimpression
of like how widespread these politics are and how much
purchase they're getting. Now, in a certain sense, I think
(36:56):
there's like a it creates almost like a you know,
creates its own destiny because then people are like, oh,
if that's the way people think, there's like a crowd
effect or like a sheep effect, you know, where if
you feel like this is an ascendate view, more people
are willing to attach themselves to it. So I think
it does create somewhat of a momentum in that direction.
(37:17):
But I think it also confused a lot of Republicans
who are super online into thinking that this was a
much more popular direction than it really was. And so
that's how you end up with like, you know, the dhs,
just like four Chan and Nazi posting and thinking that
this was a win and that this was going to
be super based and get widespread acceptance.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think it's it's helped to create this right wing
bubble where they believed much more that what they were doing,
that everything that they were doing, and the like you know,
the crazy videos they're putting out and all this like
sadistic rituals that they're doing, that this would find much
more mainstream acceptance that it actually has.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Many as possible.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I think it's also litle bit convenient in particular for
a lot of the ax And I'm not going to
say or deny that explicit Nazi and anti Semitism stuff
is out there, but I mean, look, we can't deny
the twenty twenty four election. I wouldn't say that that
was foreign influence, right, like people did ultimately vote for Trump.
So I think it's actually more of a creation for
a specific style of politics instead of like say, the
(38:21):
view itself. So what you were saying there about like
hype videos with THEO Vaughn right from the DHS that
our posted, that is something that I would say that
they're duped into thinking that's more popular necessarily than it is.
I also think, you know, really what it comes down
to is that these people are just and when I
(38:42):
say too online, I actually really do mean in the
Republican case too on Twitter, because if you spend time
online on the general Internet, you can find a lot
of anti Trump stuff or say that they're unpopular. The
amount of time that they're specifically engaged in Twitter niche
discussion politics and specifically tailoring NA messaging to that is
highly damaging. Ironically, this is the same problem that the
(39:05):
left had, let's say, in twenty seventeen and two thousands,
or even before that. Honestly, you could have very much
convinced yourself that defund the police and I don't know,
trans Mania or any of this stuff was way more
popular than it actually was if you specifically spent your
time on Tumblr and on Twitter. And of course I
got a reality check I think in the twenty sixteen,
(39:27):
twenty twenty, and twenty four election, and I think that
the Republicans will have not no Republicans. The Republican activist
class in particular, which is very very very very much
lives on Twitter and makes that into a very big
part of their own social circle, of their reality and
measures their worth against.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's a selection biased specifically, and the platform itself incentivizes outrageousness,
and in some ways many all of them do, but
in particular this one just from the way that it's
all set up and engineering yourself, your personality and all
that for online and you know, retweets. It should at
the very least have a check, I think internally to
say how much of this shit is real? Because what
(40:08):
you can see here is a lot of it's fake.
A lot of yeah, it's fake.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Just when you're seeing these people who around here posting
about Western civilization and the decline of the white race
and whatever, just just check through, you know, click through,
find where they're posting from, and be very skeptical of
the set because a lot of these you know types
of accounts, it turns out is some dude in Nigeria
who's just you know, trying it. He's just he's on
(40:34):
his grind, you know, he's got his grind set.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
He's trying to make it. Well that's the thing. I mean,
you know he's decided to do.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I'm very open about it.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I think it's like four hundred bucks a month or something.
I mean, look, it just goes to the company. But
I mean that's not enough to even find like, you know,
a little bit of production. But so people who accused,
they're like, oh, you only post about weed or property
tax and get.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Listen, I'm doing it for the love of the game.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
All right, I'm doing this purely for the love of
the game, so as you can all see, if I
really wanted to just post to make money, it's it's
much easier to uh, yeah, to be like the Indian
white nationalist or something like that. That's a lot easier
actually to gain some traction. So but no, I'm doing
this purely because.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I like driving market for that.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, apparently there is a large market for it, which
is kind of hilarious and ironic. And if anybody sees
any other good examples, let us know, tweet it out
and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, all right, I will say there are a lot
of fake screenshots out there floating around to so yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Be careful.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, I forgot that. I created my account in November
twenty eleven. Biggest mistake I ever made.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Just looking back, I can believe I was on turned
out to be a major pivot point in your.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Life as a sophomore in college. All right, Okay, all right,
I think that's it for us, Crystal. You're still at
home tomorrow, but we'll see tomorrow, and yeah, we'll see
you then.
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