12/16/25: MAGA Revolt Over Trump Rob Reiner Attack, Kash Fumbles Brown Manhunt, Zionists Push For Muslim Expulsion

Krystal and Saagar discuss MAGA revolting over Trump's Rob Reiner attack, Kash Patel fumbling Brown investigation, Zionists call for Muslim expulsion. 

 

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Speaker 2 (00:39):
In fact, we're a little late getting started here because
a bombshell just dropped from Vanity Fair with this interview
with Susie Wiles. She's in all kinds of stuff. Donald
Trump has the personality of an alcoholic Jadevance, the conspiracy
theorist Elon Musk is on drugs, the put the cases
against his enemies are political, they are retribution. So we

(00:59):
just spend some time digesting that and inserting into the show.
So we will get to that in the latter part
of the show. A lot of the other stuff to
get to as well, though we're horrific details the murder
of Rob Reiner. His son has been arrested, possibly that
he will be charged today. We also have Trump reacting
to that in one of the ugliest ways you could
possibly imagine, and actually facing some Maga backlash. We've got

(01:22):
some I guess you can't call it exclusive, but we've
got some audio from Emily's radio show where Trump voters,
three time Trump voters, were calling in and saying they
were disgusted by what he had to say about Rob Reiner.
So kind of an interesting one that seems to have
broken through to a lot of people, even his own voters.
We also have some new details about the shooter, the
killer at Brown University, although he remains on the loose.

(01:44):
We have some new photos coming out, also some new
questions about how the FBI is handling that. We got
some new reaction from Republicans just going full Islamophobia in
the wake of that Bondai beach attack. We will tell
you what they said and what they are up to.
Their Fox News is launching their own war on Christmas
in defense of tech oligarchs. You got to see that
one to believe it. We are supposed to have a

(02:06):
Republican healthcare vote tomorrow, but that appears to be kind
of falling apart, and isn't a whole lot there to
start with, And of course premiums are going to spike
for millions of people at the end of the year.
Cash Mattel is doing an interview while there's a mass
shooter on the loose talking about his girlfriend, So that's
an interesting choice. We're going to talk about that aforementioned
Susie Wiles's interview and want to Bead Rojas is going

(02:29):
to join us to break down the presidential election in Chile.
They just elected a far right leader, kind of a
backlash against the left. There a lot that's very interesting
to get into there, and no one better to do
it than one.

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(03:33):
with Rob Reiner. Not only the case, but Trump's comments
on it, which for some reason that remain very mysterious
to me, has broken through the cultural zeitgeist in a
way that I never would have expected, and actually does
seem to be a fracture point for a lot of people,
even who are very pro MAGA, which is fascinating to

(03:53):
me considering all the things Trump has said in his career, Crystal.
But this does seem to be much of a bigger
event than I ever would have anticipated.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, I agree, and we can talk about why that
might be. But just want to start by updating on
the case. And I just want to say off the top,
since I wasn't on the show yesterday, I did know
Rob Ryner a little bit. I mean I wouldn't call
him like a close friend or anything, but you know,
especially back when I was at MSNBC, I would see
him there, was friendly with him, had lunch with them
one time. The thing I remember most from the lunch

(04:22):
with him is, first of all, I mean, he's this
huge deal, you know, and I'm in comparatively like nothing
in terms of my sort of like public persona and awareness,
and he was just so friendly and so so familiar
in like a really charming way. And I told you
this story, saga. It's kind of just a small thing
that I remembered, you know, after I was clearly done.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
He was like, that looks really good. Can I try it?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
And just started like, you know, like we were old friends,
just really casual, really friendly. And that's what you hear
from everybody who knew him, is he was just, you know,
however he felt about his politics, he was just a
really genuinely nice person. And so, you know, it was
quite a shock to the system to see someone brutally
murdered like this, him and his wife, and now that

(05:06):
it appears very much like his own son, whose long
struggled with drug addiction and mental illness, is the who
had been living with them off and on was the
one that took their lives. So let's go ahead and
take a listen to the Los Angeles Police Department chief
talking about the latest in the investigation.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Yesterday, at twelfth, December fourteenth, about three point forty in
the afternoon, LAPD responded to a residence the residents of
Rob and Michelle Reiner, located in West Los Angeles Division.
At that location, they found two deceased adults, a male
and a female. Through the night, working with the Coroner's office,

(05:45):
they were able to identify them definitively as Rob and
Michelle Reiner. We have our Robbery Homicide Division handling the investigation.
They worked throughout the night on this case and were
able to take into custody Nick Ryner, a suspect in
this case. He was subsequently booked for murder and is

(06:09):
being held on four million dollar bail. Pretty much that's
what I can share at this point. But again, a
very very tragic incident.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And we're getting some more details from the LA Press
and also from GMC, which is also I guess LA
Press about what happened in the days and hours leading
up to this murder. Let's go and put a two
up on the screen. So a number of sources, including
NBC News also has this at this point. So Rob
and his wife Michelle, and Nick had all attended Conan

(06:39):
O'Brien's holiday party. Apparently there are some people who are saying,
you know, Nick was acting really strangely, that he was
making people very uncomfortable. And then you've got a lot
of people say that there was some sort of an
ugly shouting fight between Rob and his son Nick at
that party. And this was just a day before they
would ultimately be found murdered at their homes. Let's put

(07:01):
a three up on the screen as well. So Nick
apparently went missing for hours after the bodies of Rob
and Michelle had been discovered. There's another report that when
they went into his hotel room where he had been
staying after you know, he allegedly murdered Rob and Michelle,
that there was blood all over the hotel room. I'm

(07:23):
sure you know, obviously the police will be sweeping that
for any sort of forensic evidence. There's also a lot
that's being written right now, Sager about just the tumultuous
relationship and life of Nick. He apparently struggled with drug
addiction from the time he was in his early teens,
like fourteen years old. Was the first time that he
was in rehab. He did some eighteen different stints in rehab,

(07:46):
and it ultimately was Rob Reiner's daughter, romy who discovered
their bodies and also apparently told the police, my brother
needs to be a suspect. He is dangerous. So, I mean,
it's just beyond horrifying. You cannot imagine, you know, your
own child taking your life like that. And the other

(08:07):
thing I've been thinking about soccer. This is the third person,
the third man that I've known, who has either been
allegedly murdered or attempted to be murdered by their you know,
mentally ill, drug addicted child. And I'm sitting with that
of like, what just how is this? How is this

(08:27):
something that me myself personally in my life, I'm aware
of this happening, Like no people personally that this happened too.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Three times.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
We have major major issues in this country with addiction,
with mental health, with you know, getting people to help
that they need, and obviously resources were not an issue
in this instance. But I don't know what to say
other than how shocking and how utterly horrifying the whole
story is.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, I don't know the situation obviously, but from just
what we read about the multiple stints and rehab and
I mean, the thing is about Rob, what you could
also see is it's a pure love for his son
and his attempts to you know, make movies with him
and to elevate his own story and how he was
trying to push his son in a good direction. And ultimately,
I mean, even you know, in the reporting that's come out,

(09:13):
he brought him to Conan O'Brien's holiday party, where this argument,
you know, apparently came out because and he even reached out,
he said, I need to bring my son.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I'm worried about him.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
You know, I need to keep an eye on him
whenever I'm going out in public. So at the very least,
like you know, to the end, was always concerned about
the well being of his own son. But it is shocking.
I mean, like what you're saying patricide itself. I mean,
there was some somebody alerted me to this, and I
remember reading it once in a book. I was considered,
you know, if you go back in time, one of
the worst crimes that a person can commit. The Romans

(09:43):
actually considered it like a special circumstance of crime which
carried its very own punishment.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
It was like violating the very natural.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Laws of the world of gods and of the way
that they looked at it. And I think that's why
it just it's not just shocking the conscience, but it
also just begs the quot how does something like this happen?
And what you're talking about there with drug addiction, you know,
we can talk. I don't even want to make macro
points here about rehab or anything like that mental illness,
because I don't think it's a time. I think, you know,

(10:12):
even yesterday I was still kind of in shock. But
as you sit, you know, over the next twenty four hours,
and I was watching clips of Rob and talking about
his wife and how he changed the ending of When
Harry met Sally because he started to believe in love again.
And you're like, wow, And that's the thing too, You're
talking about Rob's politics. I mean, who cares about Rob's politics?
The point is is that for people like that, they

(10:33):
create art which is so deeply meaningful to so many
different people in the world. And I think that's what
hurt a lot of people about Donald Trump's response is
because guys, his politics alone, Yes, he was famously deeply political, Russiagate,
all of that. South Park famously did that episode about
him and smoking, and that's fine. I mean, we could
all laugh at that injest as part of like a

(10:54):
more fulsome picture of who he was. But when you
look at that run of directing of the art that
he put out into the world, like how that touches you?
And I feel this way about my favorite directors. I'm
sure all of them disagree with me profoundly politically, but
that doesn't make my appreciation for Paul Thomas Anderson or
any of these other people who I hold in such
high esteem, any lesson I would be genuinely devastated if

(11:15):
any of them died in the same way.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
So there's a human level.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
There's the way that he created something that so many
millions and tens and hundreds of millions of people could
connect to became like seminal moments and parts of their
childhood that ultimately, you know, when people were grieving or
were remembering him from across the political spectrum in general,
most people I would say, were like, oh my gosh,
not only just the crime so horrific, but also just

(11:40):
remembering their own connection as you had there personally. And
then you had Trump's response, which again is quite in
character for Trump, and it's basically how he's reacted many
many times over the years. For some reason, this one
just it seemed to break through the zeitgeist in a
way that again I found very unexpected. Because Trump's been

(12:00):
on the stage now for ten years. It's not a
surprise if you asked me how he would have reacted.
This is pretty much what I would have expected, maybe
not as explicit, you know, immediate in terms of his reaction,
But like, did you really think that, you know, he
would be circumspect and respectful necessarily in this moment. And
yet even though he met his own expectations of what

(12:22):
many people found, this seemed to be a bridge too far,
at least for many of his own supporters, which again
I find very interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
It is for sure, let's go ahead and put Trump's
truth up on the screen and can read what he wrote.
And then he doubled down on that yesterday, you know,
on Cameron play that for you as well.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
But here's what he wrote.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Initially, he says, a very sad thing happened last night
in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once
a very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed
away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the
anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable
affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump arrangement syndrome,

(13:02):
sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have
driven people crazy by his raging obsession with President Donald J. Trump,
with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump
administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness, and with
the Golden Age of America uponnus perhaps like never before.
May Rob and Michelle rest in peace. So attributing his

(13:24):
death saying he died because he had Trump derangement syndrome.
I mean, you want to talk about something that is deranged,
like that is utterly deranged. He got asked about it
yesterday and you know all he had to say is
basically like, yeah, I didn't like the guy.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Let's go ahead and take a listen.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
A number of Republicans have denounced your statement on True's
social after the murder of Rob Reiner.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Do you stand by that post?

Speaker 6 (13:49):
Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He
was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned.
He said he liked it, knew it was false. In fact,
it is the exact opposite that I was a friend
of Russia, controlled by Russia. You know, it was the
Russia hoox. He was one of the people behind it.
I think he heard himself in career wise, he became

(14:10):
like a deranged person Trump derangement syndrome. So I was
not a fan of Rob Reiner at all in any way,
shape or form. I thought he was very bad for
our country.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
So, you know, not walking back at all saying yeah,
I you know, I didn't like him. He had Trump
arrangement syndrome, not a fan, and I think soccer. A
few things happened here in terms of the backlash to
Trump's comments. Number one, you just had had a bunch
of Republicans come out and say, like, look, when a
liberal dies, we're not out here celebrating, like Jack Desobak

(14:42):
said that, for example, and then instantly Trump comes out
with this just utterly disgusting comment. And then second of all,
I mean, this is someone that truly, through the breadth
of his catalog, has just had a direct impact on
so many people's lives. And so between the two of
those things, and also since there is just zero really

(15:02):
political valance to this, it's just a family tragedy. Yeah,
people found it disgusting. You know, people have these you know,
they have parasocial relationships not just with you know, modern
social media influencers, but with the actors and directors and
artists that they've known throughout their lives. Some of these fels,
I mean, think about like the Princess Bride, like this

(15:24):
is you know, American canon effectively, and so for Trump
to come out with this utterly insane and really callous take,
I don't know, it just apparently really disturbed people and
really landed the wrong way with them.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
You and I follow politics day in and day out.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
I could probably think of ten other things that Trump
has said that are equally worse and or like more consequential.
But what breaks through is always just what breaks through,
and I guess it's just my job to try and
kind of understand exactly why, and this just seemed to
be one of them in one here. So Emily has
been hosting her show over on Serious XM with Megan

(16:04):
Kelly's operation, and obviously she takes a bunch of calls,
and many of these calls, as you said, are multiple
time Trump voters, who are disgusted by that this does
not happen very often. We're people proactively, even people who
are maga who cringe very often will just privately be like, oh, yeah,

(16:24):
that was bad, but you know he did this, this
and this, and so I'm not going to express anything
about it. To proactively, you know, go out of your
way to call into a station to openly disagree to
say how terrible of a response.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean, that just doesn't happen all that often.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And she was kind enough to share some of the
audio here with us, So let's take a listen.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Guys, Jill in Indiana, you're on the Megan Kelly Wrap
Up Show. What's on your mind this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (16:51):
Hi, just sort of glomming on here. But it matters
to me what Donald Trump said, and deeply disappointed if
we value human life as Christians and Americans, and but
there's just it's indefensible to sort of gloat like right
after someone dies like that, you know, just for having

(17:13):
a difference of opinion.

Speaker 9 (17:15):
I'm very disappointed in President Trump. I voted for him
three times. I still love him as my president. But
it was wrong what he did. He should have just
kept his mouth shut after the first paragraph. I don't
know why he had to bring that up. It was
a tragedy. And I didn't like Rob Reiner as a person.

(17:41):
I'm a politics he was he was really really sometimes
very very what he was saying about the right and
particularly about Trump too. Of course, however, I mean, it
really hurts me to the core what happened to him,
and I think as a human being anyone has to

(18:04):
be just sad about what happened and not bring politics
into it. And Trump just doesn't know when to stop.

Speaker 10 (18:14):
Well, I would just like to say that we have
a god fearing president and he talks about the power
of prayer and praying for victims and on and on
and on. So let's act like that, President Trump, I
voted for you. This is the most sacred season of
the year. Turn the other cheek like Christ would.

Speaker 11 (18:36):
I will tell you that I've been a Republican my
entire life. I voted for Trump twice. I don't consider
myself a maga Republican, but I do consider myself a conservative.
And I think this comment that he made this post
reminds me a little bit of when Walter Cronkite made

(18:56):
an announcement talking about the Vietnam War to the American
People's saying, if we you know, Linda Johnson said, if
I've lost Walter, I've lost the country. I really think
that Trump's comment has just officially put that nail in
the coffin.

Speaker 7 (19:12):
I just got to say, I mean, we're we're not
conducting a scientific poll here on the Megan Kelly wrap
Up Show, but the callers today.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Our phone lines have genuinely not lit up like this before.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, I'm amazed by that. I mean, you have multiple
time Trump voter. I mean, of course there's always the
like I still like them as president. But again, I mean,
to call in is kind of shocking. I saw an
interesting take from Sean Trendy over at Real Clear Politics
Curious for yours is One is that you know, it's
potentially just that this because of the love and circumstance

(19:43):
around Rhiner. Two though, is Trump is a lame duck
now and so because of that, you know, because it
can't run for reelection, and now increasingly is you know,
just bumbling around in the White House and concern more
about the architectural projects or I don't know if you
heard the latest one building in arcta triumph here in
one Washington near the Arlington Cemittory, like this is what
consumes the vast majority of his mind share, well occasionally

(20:06):
dipping in and out to tweet about Rob Reiner that
has given not a permission structure, But people can just
be a little bit more honest about what they think. Maybe,
and it's that dynamic. I don't really know what it is.
The Biden element as well, kind of aging and you know,
in front of all of our eyes, the unpopularity. But

(20:28):
something has changed, at least in my opinion around this. Again,
I have never seen anything like this. I really have,
not from a public way where Fox News personalities and
others are like wow, like this is so horrific and
disgusting to the normal. I mean, more importantly the callers there.
That's what matters is that this came through in a way,

(20:49):
and I do think it has a very political valance
to it, even though I don't want to make Reiner's
death in any way political. I'm talking here specifically about
the way that Donald Trump reacted.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
To it completely.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And yeah, I mean I listened to all those calls
in that particular you know section of Emily shows. There
was one who said, look, I don't see anything wrong
with it. All of the other ones, yeah, were this
is disgusting. I'm really disappointed. I'm a three time Trump orter.
I mean, that's that's what it was. And Emily told
us she flagged for us. She's like, guys, I have
not had our phone lines this lit up over anything. Ever,

(21:24):
Like it really seems to have touched a nerve, and
of course she said, and this is true, not a
scientific survey, but you do see on the right in
addition to you know, that backlash from the base. Yeah,
I noted Jesse Waters, who is very incendiary person, very
loyal to the president, et cetera. He had actor James
Woods on his show yesterday, Conservative who said, I left

(21:47):
Rob rob rescued my career. Like people would ask me,
how can you be friends with this person who's so
different from you. He's like, listen, those are just political differences.
Like I'm thinking about what this man meant to me
in my life. Laura Ingram posted an interview that she
had done with Rob Rydner where she said, you know,
I ran into him and we had a very amicable,
you know, friendly exchange where we don't agree on things,

(22:11):
but it was a fine conversation, and he immediately agreed
to come in studio and sit down with me and
do an interview. So I found that noteworthy too, that
those Fox News personalities were approaching things in that manner.
And you know, I think there's something to what you're
saying here. So I'm gonna put a ten up on
the screen. There's some polling that came out from NBC News,
where Trump's strong approval with his base has fallen. Oh sorry,

(22:37):
this is a saddle throw to it in just a second.
And even though there's still overwhelming support for him among Republicans,
you have a little bit of erosion, and then you
specifically have erosion between you know, the story of Trump
and his superpower has always been he may not have
majority support, but man, his people are ride or die
and they freaking love the guy that has really eroded.

(22:59):
So when you couple together all these factors, you've got
number one, you just had the Charlie Kirk assassination and
Republicans who hated the way. You know, people on the
left who were critical of Charlie right after he was dead,
they found that horrible. I mean hundreds of people got
fired for comments they made about Charlie Kirk, even comments
that weren't like celebrating his death, but were just saying, hey,
here's what he said in life, and I don't like

(23:20):
the legacy that he stood for. And so you just
had that whole moment. On the right, you had a
number of people in camput A nine. This is Jack
Pisobik up on the screen a number of right wing
influencers who before Trump comes down, is saying, see how
much Morley's have morally superior we are. You won't see
people on the right celebrating the horrific murder of Rob
Ryer and his wife. Compare that to the left reaction
to Charlie Kirk's murder. And of course after that Trump

(23:42):
comes in and says, this thing. Jack is still coping
over this, but whatever. So you have that dynamic. You
have Rob Reiner being this just well known figure that
had all of this sort of cultural cultural relevance to
people in their own lives and really meant something to them.
And then you have Trump, lame duck duck people already

(24:04):
dissatisfied with a lot of things in his administration. One
of the callers on Emily's show said, you know, it's
not like things are going that well, and then for
him to say this, you know, it's just like horrible.
So let's go ahead and take a listen to a ten.
This is Harry Enton breaking down some of that polling.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Strongly approve of Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Okay, this is twenty twenty four Trump voters in March
it was sixty six percent.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Look at where we are now.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
It's just fifty percent of twenty twenty four Trump voters
strongly approve of them.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Look, Trump voters still.

Speaker 12 (24:34):
Like Donald Trump, but they don't love him as much,
and that means there's a permission structure to actually.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Go against them.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
And that is exactly what you saw in Indiana and Soccer.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
The other thing that poll showed is that, you know,
they ask people Republicans, do you identify more as a
maga Republican or more as a traditional Republican. Throughout the
Trump era, the consistent trend has been you have that
more Republicans who identify as maga Republicans. Those numbers also

(25:05):
shifted dramatically where I'm not sure if it was quite
a majority yet, but it was basically fifty to fifty
between people in the Republican Party who said I'm a
Maga Republican and who said I'm a traditional Republican. And
that in and of itself is a huge political shift
in people's political identities.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, I think, I mean, I've hammered that home, haven't
I talking just about I'm like, yeah, you may lose maga,
but that's not who voted for you in the election.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
That's not how you win a popular vote.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I do think to that straight comment about things not
going so well, it kind of says everything. You know,
people are very understated in the way. Nobody necessarily has
a totally coherent political ideology. It's very rare for people
to think deeply about politics. They generally just observe external conditions,
either through media their own life, kind of fuse those

(25:55):
together and that's how they just feel in the moment, right,
And that's how people can have so many contradictory beliefs.
But I have to believe that the material way that
things are going in combination with Ryner, I mean, let's
also think back to a core case that Maga made
in twenty twenty four. A core belief was I could
sure you some mean tweets right now, and the thesis

(26:16):
behind that was that these Rhiner esque comments are fine
as long as other things in the country and my
own life are going fine. Now, when you have it
when things are not fine, that's when you know, you
start to notice a whole lot of different things, right,
And I think that's what it ultimately comes down to. So,

(26:38):
for example, part of the reasons that Biden's gaffes or
his age or any of that hit home so hard
for people was that things were not going well under
his administration, like we've had ailing and old President's potentially
even going senile right in the past. But as long
as you feel like things are going fine, you're like, yeah, whatever, right,
you know, a lot of people. People will can overlook anything.

(27:00):
People can overlook Bill Clinton in a sixty percent approval
rating whenever he left office, despite all the Lewinsky bullshit. Yeah,
the s and P five hundred was high. So the
rich people were happy, and most people they're you know,
average income and all that had been going up for
over eight years, and they say, yeah, whatever, Okay, Yeah
he lied about his affair with Monald Lewinsky, so be it.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
That doesn't actually affect my life all that time.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
But and this is the reverse, is that when you
have that dominating your life, politics and you feel as
if it's not just a distraction, but it's one that
I mean, look, no one has ever made the case
that Donald Trump is a man of a true moral
character or in any way not a narcissist. But there's
something where, at the end of the day, one of

(27:43):
the core things about politics. People have always pointed to,
is that metric about cares about people like me? And
it's pretty obvious, like Trump has never really cared about
people like you. But you know a lot of people
can think about that or rationalize that if they want to.
In this moment, it becomes so obvious where ninety nine
point nine percent of the human population is like, oh
my god, like what a horrific just what a tragedy, right,

(28:06):
I mean, that's what most people would think, That's how
most people would react. Then you combine that with you know,
the effect that this person's art has had on your life,
inspirational or you know, I mean, look, it's sappy and
all that, but like when Harryman said, like these are
iconic movies, He's like, you know, you walk around New
York or whatever, and you're like, that's what you think.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Maybe that's cringe, but that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
That was my only connection to the city prior to
being you know, prior to being there, and so that
was important. And so you have all those like little
moments and then you see something like this or you're
just like, who would do this?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Who would do this?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
On top of Venezuela Israel, Epstein, and then the economy,
the single and the most important one.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
So yeah, I don't know. It broke the up and
the ballroom.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I mean, that's all the things for the ball We
were true, You're right.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
We were surprised really broke through to people because it
was such a symbol of like, this is the shit
you're focused on. You're building out your multi hundred one
hundred million dollar ballroom and that's what you're paying attention
to while I can't afford groceries and we're headed into Christmas,
Like what is happening with this? But you know, I
mean I think with Ryan or two, like Americans love
their celebrities. That's a good, big part of the reason

(29:14):
why Trump is in the White House is because we do.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
We love our.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Celebrities, and it's something I am in a sense, I'm
a little bit. So I could have seen Trump going
in another direction because Trump does understand that relationship that
Americans have to their celebrities, and so I could have
seen him taking a different approach. But ultimately, you know
his instincts for if you're an enemy, you know, doesn't matter,

(29:40):
live dead, whatever, Like like I'm I'm never gonna be nice.
I will never forgive, I will never forget, I will
never never be cordial. That is just not something that
he will ever overcome.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
And actually, Susie.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Wells, we'll get to this later, had a little bit
of something to say about that in this crazy interview
that she gave to Vanity Fair.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, you're right, you know, I also think that the
Charlie kirkping can't be understated, right, because we did live
through kind of a moment where people are like, hey,
like we need to have a set amount of discourse
when somebody dies, even a controversial figure, somebody overtly political
like Charlie Kirk, And there was literal state power, there

(30:16):
was an entire ecosystem dedicated to enforcing this type of
norm and then immediately.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Over six hundred people got fired.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, I think some of them deserve to be fired.
I think that's fine.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
And it's one of those though, where you can't hold
that opinion and then also look at Trump's comment and
not say anything. So there's also I mean, that's only
what ninety days, It hasn't been that long since he passed.
It's only been a couple of months, so this is
still fresh in a lot of people's memory, and you know,
you got to remember, for people who aren't overtly again political,

(30:49):
let's just say like kind of right leaning ish, they
found the Charlie Kirk thing horrifying for the murder, and
I think some of them took it seriously. What people
were saying, We're like, yeah, it's horrible, we should and
celebrate anybody's murder, anybody's death. And so then to explicitly
then turn around and do it, you know, from the
President of the United States himself, is shocking, I think

(31:11):
for anybody who took those types of ideas seriously. But
I think finally, really what it is to me is
Trump the magic sauce, whatever it is that has held
him together for ten years, That old Donnie always wriggled his.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Way out, and I think he will.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
You know, legally, I'm not saying that, you know, the
walls are closing in or any of that. I just
think his specter of untouchability is starting to fall apart.
It's been that way for a couple of months, but
this one that you know, it's the stuff like this watch.
I always assumed, I go, look, people just don't care.
I don't get it. Never will not. My cup of
tea never has been for how somebody who can operate,

(31:45):
you know there at the highest level.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I was like, but you know that that's me being
out of touch. But maybe not.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Maybe's people are starting to you know, kind of surface
back to reality. Maybe it was just ten years of madness.
I don't know, but this very clearly has broke in
the paradigm.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well, you and Ryan played a sat from him yesterday
where he was talking about bringing the troops home from Sarah,
how that workout anyway? And it was from what like
twenty eighteen and twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen somewhere in there.
I have the cat behind me now and I was like, wow,
he looked so much more alive. He his color was different,

(32:23):
like he It really brought home for me just how
much he has aged over the past number of years.
And so, you know, I don't think that can be
discounted here either. When you're talking about whatever his magic sauces,
he's kind of losing it.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, he is, he is.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I mean, the vigor is not there, the sense of
where the American people are isn't there. You know, even
maybe the like whether or not he cares what people think.
He's he's old, he's you know, not going to be
around forever. And you know, as you've become older, you
kind of you lose your patience, you lose it was
your self restraint. All of those things happen as people age,

(33:03):
and so I think that's part of it too, is
just like, you know, he's an old man and he's
really starting to show it.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
You might be right.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
You know, what did we always say under Biden? You
revert to the me. You know, you kind of revert
to the mean of exactly who you are. And it's
a stressful job no matter what you know ornery, even
if you don't even work that hard, it's still hard.
It's just difficult job. It's the hardest job in the world.

Speaker 11 (33:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
And yeah, I don't know. Again, I fully don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
I think this is one of the most interesting political moments,
just sociologically, that I've seen in quite some time, because
never I never see you know, normal Trump voting women
be like.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I'm so disgusted by this. I never see that.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
It's always I mean, come on, you've met these people
too in real life.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
It's always like what about ism or the left and.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Whatever, fine or like I don't like it, but I
like it. But there was no butt with this.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean, by and large, it was like, I don't
like it, period, period, end of story.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
This is a major disappointment and he needs to do better.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I agree. I agree. So interesting in its own right.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Turning down to you the Brown University shooting and the
hunt for the suspect after two students were tragically killed
in circumstances that we still do not yet understand. Ryan
and I covered the FBI's failures yesterday with the release
of a so called person of interest. The name was
leaked to the news media and it was a huge
screw up by the FBI. Trump On now under fire

(34:31):
by Cash Btel's handling of the case, defending Cash Hotel
and actually casting blame on the local police department.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 13 (34:39):
Has Cashptel told you why it's been so difficult for
the FBI to identify.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Who the shooter is?

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Well, it's always difficult. So far, we've done a very
good job of doing it with Charlie, with you know,
the various times this has happened. They've done it in
the pretty much record time. But you didn't really have
to ask the school a little bit more about that,
because you know, this was a school problem. They had
their own guards, they had their own police head, their

(35:06):
own everything. But you'd have to ask that question really
to the school, not to the FBI. We came in
after the fact, and the FBI will do a good job,
but they came in after the fact.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Came through after the fact, talking casting blame there on
the local officials. I mean, remember, look, I mean I
do think that the local officials haven't necessarily handled themselves
the best here.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
But let's be very clear.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
The FBI is the one who screened that so called
person of interest. They're the ones who touted it on
social media as if it was some sort of victory.
Now speculation remains about who leaked the name of that individual,
who again we are not going to say his name.
This is a you know, decorated US Army veteran member
of the Honor Guard whose name was besmirched in the

(35:51):
public life, dissected disgustingly, I would add, as a result
of their handling. And by the way, just in case,
I know, we'll get to that in a bit, but
the current director of the FBI has an interview airing
today with his girlfriend about their love story and how
they met on Katie Miller's podcast. Yes, I know it

(36:13):
was probably filmed earlier, but I'm sorry, just not really
what I think that the director of the FBI should
ever be doing out there in public. I mean, it's disgusting,
it's shocking, and I think that this does highlight just
the sheer amount of incompetence within this bureau and it's
law enforcement and how they continue to tell us how
these are the best in the brightest, and we are

(36:33):
watching a shooter who has now escaped justice for more
than forty eight hours. Brown University, a campus which has
now reportedly have been papered in eight.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Hundred cameras crystal.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Very few clear photographs of the person of suspect that
have been released yet to the public. Here is that
specific question being posed to local officials last night at
a newscast.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 14 (37:01):
Ron University is the most camera ridden, most preconscious piece
of real estate for r Island, and yet there seems
to be little or no video evidence outside of that clip,
you know, respecting the investigation, is there a lot more
video that we're just not able to see yet because
of the ongoing investigation, or is there simply no video.

Speaker 13 (37:23):
So we shared with you the other day, is what
we have that we could have shared, and then we'll
continue to again. We're continuing to collect evidence as we speak.
We have detectives out there trying to continue to define
So I don't want to tell you that there's no
more video because we might find something within the next
few minutes. So so yes, it's possible.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
But what we gave you is what we have.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
We're giving what we have. What we have is not
very much. Right now, let's go and put the video
up here, guys, please on the screen, just to show
you some of the video that's been released. I mean,
this is I'm sorry, like I can't really see anything
here about what's going on with this suspect is leaving campus.
It appears we do have I think a little bit
more that has been released there from the FBI and

(38:03):
some images which we can put up here on the screen.
Just a couple other images that were released here a
mass individual wearing a sweatshirt with a beanie. Kind of
difficult to see any of the facial features. But you know, honestly,
the video, the images that were released in the aftermath
of Tyler Robinson of the Charlie Kirk assassination were much

(38:27):
more clear and obviously led to his apprehension very quickly
in the immediate aftermath. So there are some crazy questions
here that are being asked here about the ability of launch,
What is the purpose of all of these eight hundred
cameras and of ring and of AI did crime detection
and all of that when we're days now after this
shooting and there's still nothing yet been released allegedly. Remember

(38:51):
these have they have the most sophisticated technology for cell
phones and for all of that, and ultimately they've got nothing.
I mean, we've got video coming out from the scene
crystal of them, you know, like canvassing of different buildings
that are nearby. But it does not look in any
way like they are close to apprehending us. Up we

(39:11):
hope that they are. If you do see something, if
you recognize that person, call the FBI, call local police.
We hope that you do in this person is brought
to justice. But you can't help but just spotlight the
failure of the FBI here two back back high profile cases.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Total failure and to.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Your point, I mean, if we're going to live in
the palanteer mass surveillance state, the least we could get
out of it is some like, you know, effective crime
fighting here, right, I think that's the bare minimum we
could ask for. And look, they're probably going to find
this guy. Probably there's someone out there who will see
these images and you know, the like he's a kind
of a grofy guy.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
They'll recognize the body type.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
They'll say, I've seen that guy, you know, with that
that particular fleece, Like this may triger something for someone.
That's what happened with Luigi Mangioni, That's what happened with
Tyler Robinson. So I think I think we will probably
end up capturing this guy. But yeah, to be this
many hours later and still have so little to go on,
and then to go back to what Trump was saying there,

(40:11):
First of all, it sounded like he was blaming like
not even the local PD, like the campus security, like
they're the ones who are supposed to be doing some
like national or international manhunt.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Preposterous.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Second of all, the FBI was perfectly happy to wrap
their arms around this and claim that this was all
their victories. When they thought that they had the killer
in custody, and now that the whole thing is a
shambles suddenly, Oh it's the local PD's fault. Like just
I mean, it's just total incompetence, completely shambalic. How many

(40:41):
times have we had these situations unfold? Or with the
shooting of the National guardsman in DC, remember Cash came as, oh,
we have a suspect custod No, you were looking for
the suspect. We're looking for the suspect. No, you actually
have that one, that one you actually have. It's embarrassing.
And then you couple on top of that, apparently what
he's spending his time doing is sitting down for this

(41:01):
interview with Steven Miller's wife to talk about his love life,
like what is going on? And uh, you know, of
course Cash's image already has been completely destroyed by his
handling and being the public face of the Epstein Files
cover up, so just you know, really covering himself in
glory here.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, I look again, the girlfriend interview. Can you imagine
Jaggar Hoover sitting down in the middle of I don't know,
the Kennedy's that were the hunt for who's the bank robber?
John Dillinger and he's like, let me tell you about
my well, I mean secretly.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Well, there were a lot of there was a lot
of interest in his love.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I mean maybe maybe it was true.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
But just imagine him sitting down or Robert Muller, right,
Robert Muller sitting down for an interview about his Catholic
relationship or something.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Christopher Ray.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I mean they ended up hating him, right. Can you
imagine the way mag I would have melted down if
he was out there, I mean married, like about his
love life. I think when she met his wife or whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Like it's not about man, It's like, we should melt down.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
This is crazy, this is crazy, ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I can't live like this.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And he's of course using all these public resources to
fly around to her, like singing at the wrestling event
and whatever, and it's.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Just just unreal.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
And I do wonder, you know, I feel like every
time Cash gets liberal press criticism it helps to keep
him in the job longer. But I have to think
Trump is to the extent Trump cares about anything at
this point, I have to think he's looking at this
guy and going like, I don't know, I don't know,
and you were saying, Oh, I think we have this.
Actually B five up on the screen. I guess Bongino

(42:40):
was back to angsting over whether or not he's gonna
stay in his job.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
This is from Fox News.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino will decide about his future
at the bureau in the next few weeks. He's already
been sort of sidelined because I don't know if you
guys remember, he already had one of these like I'm
going to just leave for the weekend decide what my
future is going to be. He so he's already been
kind of like sidelined and sort of replaced by someone
else in his position. Of course, he still technically has
the job. So anyway, we're back to angsting about Dan

(43:09):
Bongino and what his future path is going to look like.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Look, I'm making fun of some of this, but this
is not a joke, right. You know, two people lost
their lives. Let's go to quick before. Up here on
the screen, you have two students. I mean, these kids
were in the prime of their lives nineteen twenty years old.
You have Ella Cook and I hope I say this correctly.
Mohammad Aziz Umurazakov identified as the two killed in Brown University. Apparently,

(43:36):
you know, at least one of them. They weren't a class,
they weren't even necessarily supposed to be in, just you know,
two students. They had big dreams.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
One I think Ella, you know, she was involved in
Republican politics.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Muhammad disease. He you know, wanted to be a doctor.
You know, look it's his Brown University is one of
the toughest universities in the United States to get into.
They really, you know, they were going places. At least
that's what the people around them said. And that is
why we're supposed to not have FBI directors who go
on podcasts to talk about their love life.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
This is serious business.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
This is something that you've been entrusted by the public
to take seriously and to do. We've given you extraordinary powers.
You're supposed to work on our behalf. You're supposed to
keep us safe. And when people perpetuate, you know, horrific
crimes like this, you're supposed to catch them.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
You're supposed to catch them immediately.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
And it's not about tweeting out pictures about how great
of a person of interests about doing the job, bringing
a prosecution and bringing justice because there's a couple of
families out there who are broken. And so that's what
I think makes me really sick about this entire thing
is that, you know, this, this has consequences. And it's
funny to laugh at the girlfriend podcast and all that

(44:43):
and the clear obsession over public image and the damage
that the Epstein file is handling and all of that
has had. But it's just like the Epstein case, it's
not just a case that we're talking about. These are
you know, little girls who were victimized, right, you know,
by wealthy, powerful people, and it was used potentially on
behalf of state actors, but ultimately the real victims.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
So yeah, I feel repulsed honestly about this because you've
got these two families probably desperately checking the news, just
want to know what happened.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
The worst possible thing just happened.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
To them, and how many more who were injured who
are in the hospital right now, and how many more
psychologically traumatized. And meanwhile, you have you know, an entire
school community, an entire town that's like, am I safe?

Speaker 12 (45:25):
Here?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
There's a mass shooter who is still on the loose,
and they have no idea where this person is. And meanwhile,
you know, the President of the United States is saying
it's not really our problem, and Cash Rettel is doing
sit downs about his girlfriend and his love life. You just,
I mean, you just can't make it up. You cannot
have influencers in like these positions of power.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
It's utterly, utterly insane.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
We also wanted to talk a little bit about some
Republican response to the attack at Bondai Beach in Australia.
Another just horrified, absolute tragedy unfolding. They're the number of victims,
you know, people there to celebrate Hanukkah, just absolutely horrific.
And the response to that from some on the right

(46:12):
has been just, I mean, I don't even know what
to say. I can put this up on the screen.
Tommy Tuberville, senator from Alabama, gave a whole floor speech
about how you know Muslims are terrible and evil. Just
En masks not you know, individual people with radical ideology
known all Muslims. He says, Islam is not a religion,
it's a cult. Islamists are not here to assimilate, They're

(46:32):
here to conquer. Stop worrying about offending the pearl clutchers.
We've got to send them home now or it'll become
the United Caliphate of America. We also have Vicki Palladino,
who is a councilwoman. She represents Staten Island in New York,
and she says, and keep in mind New York, a
city with millions of Muslims, including now the mayor elect

(46:54):
of the city. She says, we're in the midst of
a global jihad the likes of which the world has
never and we cannot ignore it. We need to take
very seriously the need to begin the expulsion of Muslims
from Western nations, or at the very least the severe
sanction of them within Western borders. The administration needs to
begin developing a formal legal framework for the denationalization process

(47:16):
and get it over with before we end up with
another nine to eleven or worse. Enough is enough now.
I do think that she ended up deleting that tweet.
But then of course we've got Randy Fine, who you know,
always covering himself in glory, so more just disgusting commentary
from him saying that, you know, all Muslims must go

(47:37):
diversity is not our strength. And nine to eleven wasn't enough.
October seventh wasn't enough. Muslim immigrants are attacking and killing
non Muslims in America wasn't enough. So remember Saber, how
how Rashida sale was censured for just saying, you know,
in the context of like Palestinian liberation from the river

(47:58):
to the sea, Palestine must be free, and she was
censured by Congress. Now you have people who are out
and out calling for the expulsion of all Muslims, whether
they're immigrant or non who are completely demonizing an entire religion,
and there's very very little pushback here. But the most
important thing that I wanted to highlight so that people

(48:20):
understand what's going on outside of just being thoroughly disgusted
by this open bigotry and how much this is just
accepted now in the Republican Party and in the mainstream
is Ryan and Dropsite covered how the Israelis had done
a bunch of testing about like, Okay, what do we
do to get people back on our side, And the
thing that they found was the most powerful was to

(48:42):
stoke anti Muslim hate, to stoke Islamophobia. And so this
is a sort of desperate. I see it as a
desperate and concerted strategy to try to get Republicans in
particular back on board with Israel being our great ally
and you know, oh, we've all got to like link
arms and fight the bad Muslims together. That's what this

(49:05):
is really at its core, A bottom his cords about
hatred and bigotry and all of those things, But this
is also sort of a desperate strategy to get people
to stay in line with Israel being on our side
and you know, and us sharing the same enemies.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
So we've got to.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Support them no matter what and give them whatever they want,
no matter what.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
I mean, by the way, you don't even just need
drop shout out to drops out or not. They didn't
do anything wrong. But you know, read the Charlie Kirk
letter that he sent to Benjaminett and Yahoo.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
It was released for everyone to see.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
He's like, you guys are losing support to way to
combat that is to demonize Islam.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Charlie was doing a lot of that right before he died.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I took took notice of it, and because I you know,
know what's going on. You could see very clearly in
what direction, and you know, I've I've talked about this.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
It's interesting to me. They genuinely seem.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
To believe that you are allowed to group in the
actions of a fe individuals and decide that that is
representative of the entire ethnic religious faith, and that thus
that will never backfire on you, even though that is
literally the hard and soul of the you know, their

(50:14):
cause that they've decided to fight with everything they have
anti Semitism. I have no idea how you cannot think
that openly normalizing this type of rhetoric and a framework
of looking at the world is not going to come
back and bite you in the ass. We talked about
this during the whole Nick Fuintes Piers Morgan thing right.
Nick is very honest actually about that worldview and how

(50:36):
he can and then apply it to Jewish Americans or
to Jews more broadly. But they seem to think that
you can have it both ways. You actually cannot if
you're going to let this out in terms of Pandora's box.
And that's honestly why I find so disgusting about it,
because you know, you say it's about hatred and bigatory.
It's like, you know, I don't even I think they're
so cynical that they're just willing to say anything, you know,

(50:58):
to defend their pro Israel.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Cause I'm not even sure if they really believe this stuff.
It's really just.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I think Randy Fine probably does.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Randy probably does, Tommy Tupperville, many of the other so
called influencers and others are just looking at the memo
of this.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And I mean, look, I'll have I'll happily talk culture
with anybody anytime of the week. But I can't sit
here and then pretend, you know, because I can't sit
here when I know that this is in the service
of a support of a country which has a right
to rape protest, I can't, right because I'm like you
guys literally had protests about the right to rape. You

(51:37):
have openly a government which wants to celebrates the murder
of women and of children and of max expulsion of
a population. There is no moral equivalence or there is
no sorry, there is no like moral superiority that if
anything right now right, things are trending a little bit
in the other direction in terms of who has power

(51:58):
and actionalizes it, let's say, on the world stage.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I mean that's my personal view of this, and I
do just think it's really gross, how cynical and how
open it is out there, and ultimately, you know, for
Jewish Americans, I think this is just the worst thing
that you can do. I really do. It's like, if
you guys want to engage in this, you are not
going to win. People are going to start thinking explicitly

(52:23):
in ethno religious terms, and you know, they talk noticing
is something that's like a meme right out there.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
They'd apply that to Muslims.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I'm like, okay, fine, then you know it's like, you
guys really want to quote notice about support for Israel.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And about lobbying and about.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Pushing you know, certain agendas when you're in power, Like
it's just not going to work out for you. I
choose to look at the world in terms of individuals.
I think it should too, and it's just and allegedly
that's a promise of America, but they don't want that,
And yeah, I think this will.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
I think this is a.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Catastrophic mistake for the Jewish community and for Jewish Americans.
But uh, you know, that's that's what they've decided to
push at the very least, the pro Israel part a contingent,
let's say, and uh yeah, I think they're going to
rue the day that they wanted to normalize this type
of rhetoric.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I keep thinking back to Laura Lumer, who you know,
describes herself as proud islamophobe and certainly backs that up
in all sorts of ways, going back and forth with
someone on Twitter, and she says to them, you're a Muslim,
and they come back with your a Jew. And basically
the you know, and and so basically what the zion
Is like, the right wing pro Israel supporters and you know,

(53:41):
Israeli officials themselves are hoping is that they can win
that debate, that they can come out on top and
convince people that it is worse to be a Muslim
than it is to be a Jew. But buying into
because I mean, Israel is it is an ethnos nationalist,
Jewish supremacist state. That is the best rock political ideology

(54:01):
undergirding the entire project. That's why you have apartheid, that's
why you have ethnic cleansing, that's why you have all
this concerns about you know, the demographics, and that as
some existential threat.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
So that is their view.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
They have a fundamentally they have a fundamentally ethno nationalists
and ethno centric racialist view. And so their bet is
we can convince at least the American right. I think
they've given up on the left, but we can at
least convince the American right that the Muslims are worse
than the Jews, and therefore you gotta stick with us.

(54:33):
That's the bet they're making. Good Luck, good luck with that,
good luck with embracing an overtly racialist, identitarian worldview and
not thinking that that is ultimately going to come for
Jewish people. I think it's a horror. And I mean
we've seen throughund history like what the you know, what
people reach for, like the old horrors that people reach

(54:54):
for with regard to Jewish people when you have these
overtly racialist identitarian project So in any case, that's what's
going on with the Republicans. And I do want to
say too, you know, for all these media figures Jake
Tapper and Dana bash and whoever else who had absolute
multi day meltdowns over Rashida Talib, embracing equal rights from

(55:15):
everyone and you know, doing rally chants and now have
very little to say about Randy Fine and Tommy Taberville
and Vicki Palladino, like we see you, we see you,
we see what's.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Going on here?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah, I mean what's look this is there was a
core project about rejecting identity politics right throughout the entire
last decade, and I think a lot of people good
faith believe that.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I certainly did.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I was like yeah, I was like, wow, this is
really horrible, Like this is bad, it's leading.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
You might not have seen this. We may want to
cover it on on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
There's a viral essay in a magazine Compact, which one
writes for, and it's about this explicit regime within a
lot of elite companies over the last a decade or
so fifteen years where they decided to explicitly say, let's
not hire millennial young white men.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
And the essay has gone very viral.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
It's actually very selective and interesting because like boomer white
men got to keep their jobs, but it was much
more directed. But like you look at how much rage
that can you know inspire? I think not only the
people who were discriminated, let's say, against themselves, but to
what mindset and what ends that that can bring. And
these people seem to just think that they're going to

(56:31):
win this like immediate term war where they're just going
to convince people that only Muslims, let's say, are dangerous
look out for their own agenda and have you know,
dual loyalties or anything. Again, Okay, I mean, you cannot
put that cat back in the bag period whenever it
becomes an outright view of explicitly looking at things like

(56:56):
in terms. I mean I saw it recently. I don't
forget exactly who it was. Was like what's wrong with
the whites only immigration policy? It's like, okay, I know,
you know if it's one of those where, uh, then you.

Speaker 12 (57:08):
Cannot complain Australia had a white's only immigration policy and
that it's a shame that they got and they got
rid of it because they didn't want to appear racist.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
So that is actually racist and that they should go
back to it.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
So let's then let's do to the logic.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
So if you lose then and you're an opponent, and
you lose and a opposing government decides to make an
overtly racial view of immigration, how can you complain how
could you possibly complain And so yeah, we are going
to write what are you going to do about it?
We beat We've decided to go in a different director.
You can't bitch and complain about that. You can't by
the way Australia had. You know, I'm not a great

(57:47):
fan of Australia. I think the way they handled COVID
was a disaster, et cetera. I have my disagreements with
the government all of that. I think the one of
the best immigration systems in the world. They have one
of the high They have high merit based immigration for
a long period of time, significance amounts of a similary.
If our country looked more like Australia, I'd be a
hell of a lot happy. But of course there's like this,
They're like, well, it's just not why. I'm like, well, okay,

(58:08):
if that's the world that you guys all want to
live in, well then don't be surprised when that also
just be not just used against you. You know, they
talk about you know, white genocide or anything like that.
It's like, yeah, but people might just end up embracing
that fully. And you can't complain because the entire theory
let's say around merit based immigration or any of that

(58:31):
was we evaluate people as individuals, and Australia explicitly said
we evaluate people as individuals and their ability to contribute
to our nation, to our culture, and to make us better.
And that's actually why they've had more of a successful
immigration story than any western country in the world.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
And that's why when.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
I saw that, I was shocked by it, because you know,
first of all, extrapolating a single incident is always a
little bit ridiculous. You're supposed to look at things in
the aggregated and more broadly and listen, it's to Australians
to make their own decisions.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
It's not my country.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
You guys do as you would like purely as an
outside observer. Though anytime you start to make overtly racial arguments,
I just think, you know, first of all, don't be
surprised when it's used against you. And second, you need
to consider the thirtieth, fortieth, fiftieth order consequences of what
all of that is going to look like. And I
don't think that they are. I think that they just

(59:23):
have no idea what they're playing with.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
It's also just like a larp and a fucking fantasy,
Like we live in a multi ethnic country and that
just is and it is a bedrock part of what
America is. That it's not this like blood and soil project.
It is a created thing, Like we came here, we
colonized it, we created it based on these, you know,
certain ideals which we have never fully lived up to.
But that is what it is. And I was thinking
about this aur like, you're from Texas. Texas is a

(59:46):
majority minority state. Does it feel like it's not American?
Does it feel like it's been you know, destroyed? In fact,
it still votes very conservatively and the you know populations
that are there are you know, very into integrated into
American society, et cetera. I just, you know, it's disgusting
and it's cruel and it leads to horrific things. So

(01:00:08):
I don't want to downplay it, but I also want
to say, like, you're not getting your you know, white's
only country that's it's not happening. You're not getting your
repeal the Nineteenth Amendment because we don't like the way
the women are voting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
It's not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
It's childish to pretend that this is like a real
outcome that you're going to be able to effectuate.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
So in any case, long way of saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I'm looking at Archexas, I didn't realize actually that it
has fully flipped. So it's forty percent Latino, forty percent
non Hispanic white, such a funny term, twelve percent black
and five to six percent Asian, one percent Native American,
and then three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
It was like six sixty percent I mean percent minority.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I was growing up there, Yeah, I knew a lot
of guys who were.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
But see, that's kind of my point is that looking
at things overtly racially is gross, Like that's not the
point a truly about it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And that's fine if people want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Again, I don't think it's going to work out for you,
and I don't think it's necessarily correct. It's also just
the way that you try to back engineer like greatness
and let's say officially tied let's say to racialism is
not one which first of all, like you just said,
you're going to get the outcomes that you want us explicitly,
because a lot of it is just like LARPing. But

(01:01:25):
two also really ignores I mean this, you know, we
were talking about this. Remember if the Fuenttez Pierce thing.
I'm like, yeah, it would be insane to go back
and to tell real Heritage Americans that some of the
vanguard of their cause would be Italian Catholics. That would
be unthinkable, literally unthinkable. They would be like, first of all,
a person's not white and they're godless.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
That's how they used to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
In fact, I would remind everyone when real Heritage Americans
got the chance to enforce immigration policy and to vote
an election, they explicitly rejected a guy named al Smith
because he was a Catholic, and there were carts tunes
about Romanism across the entire country, and they shut down
immigration for like forty five years because they were sick

(01:02:07):
of a bunch of in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Their words, non white Irish.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
And Italians and Slovenians coming into the country and dirtying
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
That's what they thought about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
So I'm like, I mean, it's just ridiculous to see
people who are the descendants of those people then claim
you know that. I mean, it's fine. Look, you can
say your ancestors have been here long.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
You could say that you know longer than me. I
don't necessarily think cast and bloodlines should be one that
we should determine our tear in society. In fact, I'm sorry,
I'm going along, but I feel strongly about this because
my family is from a culture of India, right, and
Indian culture is heavily They don't want to admit it,
but it's true, is heavily cast based, which is not

(01:02:50):
something that you can control. The most old world bullshit
in the world is the idea that because of who
your grandfather was or what you were born into, should
determine the fate of your entire life.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
That's almost an explicitly Western and American thing, which we
say you leave that behind, you come here, and you
embrace a certain set of ideals.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I think that's great, you know, I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
If anything, a lot of my criticism of some of
the Indians here now currently is that they're not leaving
a lot of that bullshit behind, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Think that they should.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
But yeah, I just you know, to see it renormalized
more recently in an American context, which I have, you know,
it's like, oh, my family's been here for four generations.
I think that's phenomenal. I have a great veneration for
all of our history. And you know, venerating that is fine,
but you know, than to tear in terms of what

(01:03:41):
that means explicitly for like who counts or not. You're like, well,
and especially when we're talking about only citizens here, not
even just people who are if we're talking not when
we're talking about non citizens. We're talking about people who
are explicit citizens of the United States of America. Yeah,
I'm that just seems to me. You know, they people,

(01:04:02):
these are the biggest critics of third world ism. That's
the most third world bullshit that you can ever do.
It really is great point. And I tell you this
to someone whose parents are from the Third World. When
I go over there and you see the cast oh
my god, it drives me nuts, nuts when people talk
about cast and who's marrying who and oh that's violated.
Oh my god, it repulses me. Repulses me. And so

(01:04:25):
that's the last thing that we need over here. It's
just very antiquated old world ideology, which but again it
doesn't breeds. You know, white nationalists love to talk about
India's you know, all failed problems.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
I blame that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
That's a big part of the reason why is the
explicit class culture same in the UK, they have huge
class problems about ascendency and the ability to do it.
Let's leave it all behind people. But yeah, that's just
one man's vision of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Yeah, I was thinking, I responded, I was kind of trolling,
but I mean not what I said, But I was
also kind of being intention provocative. On Twitter, someone shared
this like, oh, whites were eighty percent nineteen twenty and
or this percent now and blah blah blah, and I
was thinking about that. I was like, what does that
even mean, because the definition of white is not even
the same over those years. Like in my own household
in nineteen twenty, I am literally the only person in

(01:05:13):
my household that would be considered white.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
So like, so much of this is just meaningless garbage anyway,
But in any.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Case, obviously it has yea like see the miller who's
leading a bunch of this bullshit, Like when his family
came over here, they were not considered white as they were,
you know, Jewish refugees from what is now Belarus, and
yet you think that you know, this should be some
blood and soil white at no nationalists you're leading this
White's only refugee policy anyway, I find it. I find

(01:05:39):
it disgusting, I find it counterproductive. I find it fundamentally
anti American, And I also think that as a project
to doom to fail. And these people have convinced themselves
that the American people agree with them, and I think
that that is wrong. In fact, I think, to your point, Sager,
what we saw in the backlash to Woke and the
identitarian excess of the left is proof that the American

(01:06:03):
people really do believe in like aspiring to that colorblind
vision at core. They like that idea and that concept
of I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
I mean, if anything, overtly kind of embracing any of
this is the worst possible argument you could ever make
about at least again, just one man's opinion. But I've
taken a look at a lot of the polling, and
I've thought a lot about what went wrong with immigration
agenda here of the Trump administration, and I do genuinely

(01:06:32):
think that so many people thought about a universalist language
of control about their border and a very idea of
we need to know who's in our country, it does
seem unfair. Again, in my opinion, you can disagree that
people get to come here illegally and just work and
just decide that they get to stay here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
I think that's wrong. I think a lot of people
agreed with that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
However, however, and this is what people don't seem to understand.
When you enacted in a way which has been described
as performative cruelty, which you know, it probably hits it
a little bit on the nose, but when you also pairrot,
let's say, with racial language, which is now more increasingly popular,
not just from the government necessarily, but from a lot

(01:07:14):
of the commentariat, and it becomes to be viewed as
that way that is not the same as the universalist
kind of idea of control which led many Latino Americans,
Asian Americans. You know, this is one of the most
non white Republican coalitions in American history, which I think
Libs should sit with right about what that means, also

(01:07:36):
about who can and come in with that. But it
can also be something that falls apart whenever it's enacted
or at least viewed necessarily in this way. So I
know we went very off track, and I'm sorry, but
I do think it's important. I do think it's important
for people to kind of understand the broader motivations about
all this topic of Islam. And I'm not some big

(01:07:56):
defender of Islamic culture. I don't want it, don't like it,
had lived underneath it, hated it. But I'm also not
a dupe to see what this exactly this is being
used for right now, and that's why I would say
everybody's eyes should be a little bit open right now