12/2/25: Trump Approval Sinks, Epstein Admits Guilt In Emails, FBI Agents Flip On Kash Patel

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It is election day in Tennessee and that Trump plus
twenty two district that the Republicans are nervous about. So
Ken Afton Bain pull off the big upset. We will
dig into what we know Trump's approval is in the
toilet looking pretty rough amid some health concerns. Biden vibes there,

(01:03):
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We'll pick that one up today. And Pete Hegseth throwing

(01:25):
an admiral under the bus for that double tap strike
on the alleged drug traffickers. So a lot going on
with that one.

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(02:17):
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But let's check in with Tennessee big election here, you know,
I mean, maybe just to set the table.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Why does special elections matter? You know? Why is a
national politics show focusing on this?

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I think you know, they were the biggest precursor to
the twenty twenty five elections. And also if we think
back to twenty twenty two, a lot of those special
elections crystals were so important in actually showing the end
up democratic strength that was there because we always got questions,
why are you focusing on this? Because I mean, look,
we don't have a full election day. I think it's
important to note, like when the voters turn out, that's

(03:07):
the only time shit's real. Yeah, like, not polls.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
The other the caece is that Mike Johnson is narrowly
hanging on to a Republican majority. We're getting more retirements
coming out of the Republican's side. So these sorts of
seats when you have, you know, a three vote margin
in the House really matter in terms of who actually
even controls the House. So it matters from that perspective
as well. But your point about the midterms and the
warning signs there, you know, all the polls and all

(03:30):
the vibes we're saying, and you know Bidens approval rating
and the Democratic Party approval rating, we're saying, oh, this
is going.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
To be a blood bath for Democrats.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
And then it wasn't the one indicator that went in
the other direction was all of the special elections, something
that we covered and mentioned at the time, you know,
leading into that that was the one indicator that actually
would have given you a sense this may go differently
than how the polls are indicating. In any case, there
are a number of elections today. We'll get to some
of the other ones that are just sort of like interesting,
you know, side notes that we'll be paying attention to tonight.

(03:58):
A lot of kind of intra Democratic party fighting, which
to me is always very interesting. But in any case,
the big main event here today is this Tennessee district
that encompasses part of Nashville and then some of the
surrounding suburbs and ex serbs.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
And rural areas.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
You have a you know, a candidate for the Democratic
Party named Afton Baines. She is a state representative. She
was endorsed for her state House seat by DSA. You know,
she very much is sort of in the Zoron model,
really has put affordability front and center. She also was
a podcaster and said some things on her podcasts that
Republicans have been using in their ads against her.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Her opponent, Van EPs.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Is seems to be sort of you know, standard run
of the mill Republican going often calling her radical and
really trying to portray hers out of touch with the district. Interestingly,
in his ads, he's not mentioning President Trump. This is
a district that Donald Trump won by some twenty two points,
and you know that the Republicans are at the very

(04:54):
least nervous about it because number one, the amount of
money that is being spent, and number two, Donald Trump
himself has made multiple posts about this specific House seat
and they've sent all kinds of people of the district.
Jade Vance has been in the district, Mike Johnson has
come to do a rally to try to gin.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Up support for their guy.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Let's go and take a listen to this is actually
interesting just to give you a sense of how much
money is in the race. In the NFL game on
Sunday was the Jaguars versus somebody. In the commercial break,
there was at least one break that was wall to
wall just Van Epps versus Bain campaign ads. So this
is the entirety of that ad break, just to give
you a sense of the messaging that is going straight

(05:34):
into the district and what each candidate thinks is their
strongest case.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
Tennessee's choice. Matt Benepps versus Afton Bain Benefs wants three things.
Cuts to healthcare benefits, more tariffs driving up costs, tax
breaks for billionaires. Afton Bain wants one thing, to lower
your costs. She fought to end the grocery tax in Congress.
She'll stand up to both parties to make life more affordable.

(05:58):
Want more of the same. It's Matt fan Apps. Wants
someone who fight for you for a change. That's often Bane.
They can't be responsible to the contentators.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
At in Afghanistan, the radical shot at us. So these
radical attacks now piece.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
Of cake, A very radical person.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
On December two, you can stop this radical disaster. The
Democrats radical agenda opposing tax cuts, pushing higher taxes and
higher prices, and new taxes that would crush working families.
Tennessee can't afford their radical agenda.

Speaker 8 (06:30):
I'm Matt fan Apps and I approved this message because
I'll fight for America, always have, always, well need liberal
Afton Bane.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
I'm a very radical person.

Speaker 8 (06:41):
Bain not only joined and praised defund the police, liberals
often being bragged about harassing law enforcements they're.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Buying the ice vehicles and state troopers.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Worse.

Speaker 8 (06:52):
Often, Bane supports permanent sex changes for miners.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
I ran on protecting trans children.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
If we don't vote, they win.

Speaker 8 (07:00):
Radical person vote December second to stop radical Liberal Act
and Bane Conservatives for American Excellences responsible for the content
of this end.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Last year, with.

Speaker 9 (07:08):
Prices soaring, politician Afton Bane voted against the largest tax
cut in state history. Liberal Act and Bane voted for
higher taxes on top of higher prices.

Speaker 7 (07:19):

Speaker 1 (07:21):
That's not just radical, it's stupid.

Speaker 9 (07:23):
And this year aften Bang backed more taxkes that would
cost Tennessee families thousands more.

Speaker 7 (07:29):

Speaker 9 (07:30):
We can't afford radical liberal aften Vane, so vote by Tuesday,
December second.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Magaek is responsible for the content of this advertising.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm often Vaine.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
We all know the system is rigged in Washington. Here's
how it works. Politicians make it easy for their rich donors.

Speaker 10 (07:46):
Tax cuts for billionaires and burying the Epstein files, while
hard working Tennesseeans get a rough ride by cutting healthcare
for Tennessee families, doubling health insurance bringims, and tariffs that
hurt our economy. I'm Afton Baine, and I approved this
message vote December second, to shake up Washington.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So there you go. There's a taste of what the
voters there in that district. And of course it was
obviously the tendenc was poor voters, more NFL savvy.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I would have found that would be who the game
was with.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
But any poor voters, man, I hate election season whenever
you have to see stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, look,
you know what's interesting about that is you could distill
it down to twenty twenty four versus twenty twenty five.
So what I mean by that is all of those
ads against her are very twenty twenty four coded. And
those were a lot of the ones, yeah, that they
ran against Kamala Harris, the famous you know kamos for

(08:37):
they not for you, you know a lot of the
culture stuff that was very, very influential. The radical attack.
I've always been a bit skeptical of it. I don't
actually think it works all that well. But the point
was to try and code with like this part of
the resurgent left, which they thought was going to be
part of the Kamala campaign. Ash Afton's ad is much

(08:57):
more twenty twenty five coded, and that's actually I think
why she has a little bit of success is if
you watch that ad, you're talking about taxes, you're talking
about tariffs and Epstein, so you have like a little
bit of a flavor, you know, for them, the Epstein
stuff that really obviously gets people to end up talking
about the tax bill and also the tariffs, so coming
to inflation. So I'm actually very curious to see what
the results of this are. This is, you know, a

(09:18):
long time kind of Republican playbook, and the question is
about whether it still hits.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Also, of course we're dealing with a special election.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Part of the difficulty, part of the reason I'm a
little skeptical there of the Republican strategy that might work
in a general election like twenty twenty four. You have
to drive out like people to come and vote who
are enthusiastic, Like think about.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It, how many people really even know or go and vote.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
And special election is a very small sample size of
the overall voting electorate, and so their democratic base is
energetzed right now. And I think that's why she's got
some momentum.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
F Yeah, campaign, I mean, listen, I think she still
is very much the long shot here. Yeah, no, no, no,
I just want people to be clear that we're not
saying like she's going to win.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
I think it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
It will be very just the composition of this district
makes it brutally difficult.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
In a normal year, you wouldn't mean that we wouldn't
be paying attention to this.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
It would be a gimme Trump plus twenty two district.
I mean, that is a huge, huge margin to overcome.
The fact that they're even nervous about it is really
quite wild, actually and quite you know, quite indicative of
the political predicament that they find themselves in. You know,
in terms of the ad landscape, it reminds very much

(10:30):
of what you know, Mikey, Cheryl and Abigail Spanberger were
doing in their districts. Spanburger in particular, you know, leaned
into her like CIA, national Security, dem BIO as well
to project more of a moderate image. But outside of that,
you know, they were talking about affordability, they're talking about tariffs.
I think often you know, through in the Epstein piece,
which I think is really smart, especially in a more

(10:51):
Republican district, to signal like I'm going to be the
one who's actually going to get that done, and they've effectively.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Betrayed you on that issue.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'm not sure that I saw a their candidates in
this election cycle do that, So that was interesting to me.
And then on the other side, you know here in Virginia,
the all the anti span Burger ads coming from win
some earl sears. They focused a lot on transgender issues
in particular cultural issues, you know, more broadly, and obviously

(11:19):
did not work out for her. Now, Virginia was had
some special things going on with the government shutdown, et cetera.
It's a much more democratic friendly area. So even if
Afton was able to achieve the swing that Abigail Spanberger
did in Virginia, which was extraordinary, she would still lose
because that is the nature of how republican this district is.

(11:39):
But in any case, let's put a three up on
the screen just so you can get a sense of
the amount of money that is flowing into this district.
I saw people saying, this is going to be, you know,
one of the most expensive house races in Tennessee that
we've seen in years and years, millions of dollars. This
is just for the sort of like you know, the
last week, let's say, of the of the campaign. Here
you can see there were outside packs coming in to

(12:00):
benefit both candidates.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Let's put a four up on the screen.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
This was the most recent public poll and from a
non aligned polster, and it has Matt van apped the
Republican up by two points, which is within the margin
arr by the way, so effectively tied in this poll
forty eight forty six. And that caught a lot of
people's attention that she would be this close.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
That polls can be.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Extremely wrong, they could be wrong in either direction. Actually,
but you know that you would have this result, and
anything approximating a close race year is already a tremendous
victory for the Democrats. I think you have to say,
I wanted to give you a taste a little bit
of Well, let's put a five up on the screen again.
This is another indication of the nervousness here around this district.

(12:50):
Amy Walter says, how much of a drag is Trump
for House gopeers Even in Tennessee seven, a Trump plus
twenty two congressional district, none of the GOP ads have
mentioned Trump or electing a republic I'm going to keep
his agenda going and said they all attack the dam.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Why does this matter?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And I think based on the Emerson poll that had
often just down by two, Trump was actually underwater in
approval rating even in this district. So it shows you,
you know, even in somewhere so republican. Yes, Matt Vanipps
on his ads said, like Trump endorsed, but they're not
leaning into I will serve the president, I will work

(13:25):
with Trump.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Trump loves me. Trump to not go to the district.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
He did tweet a couple times or post troops a
couple times to try to get people his base excited.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
To come out and vote.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
But we've also seen you know, in the past Sagara
that doesn't really translate Trump sort of like Obama. If
it's not him on the ballot, there just is not
the level of excitement more broadly, for sort of a
generic Republican, which is effectively what this time.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know what it says, as what
Amy says is that ours were going to twenty six
in a purely defensive posture rebranding the big Beautiful bill
asn't happening. Tariffs are unpopular, the only way for ours
to win is canns DEM voters candidates is worse. And
so this is basically if you think back to twenty ten,
you ran for Congress in that election, why the Democrats
got so decimated as people were not jazzed about Obamacare

(14:12):
and you know, even the Democrats who were healthcare first
voters that were like, well, I don't like Obamacare. Republicans
hated Obamacare. There was no enthusiasm and a lot of
the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Y was shit and the economy was bad, right.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
And so I mean, if you remember the Democratic ads
at that point, it's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Like I went my congressman. His name was Chad Edwards.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
He was the Republican who lost by the biggest or
the Democrat who lost by the biggest margin. He but
he had held on in like an R plus twenty
district for eighteen years.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And the thing was is.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
That even his ads were like I stood up to
Nancy Pelos, like that's how bad things Yeah, exactly, like it.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Got that bad.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
But I remember Democratic ads at that time were all
trying to gin up Obamacare into something that's just not there.
And there's a reason Republicans when they're campaigning or not
campaigning on the big beautiful Bill, and they're not even
campaigning on standing up for President Trump because Trump is not.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
All that popular.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
We're about to do a whole segment on you're really
in a tough position. You don't have something affirmative that
you can run on, and that defensive posture already puts
you in a very difficult place. Now, all the caveats remain.
This guy I would say, probably gonna win. I think, yeah,
you know right, I mean, but it's one of those
where if you win by two, if you win by three,

(15:28):
that's a big problem. And actually that's where the jerrymandering
becomes an existential threat to the Republicans in my opinion,
because what that means is that they are going to
put themselves in a place where they have fifty two
to forty eight districts which they just long presumed we're
going to be Republican and could very easily go plus

(15:48):
five plus six Democrat, as we've seen over and over again,
and in some of those states where they've been able
to hang on the Susan Collins of the world, you know,
in Ohio, for example, Vake vague Amy acton and shared
brown Like I'm not saying I would bet on them,
but like I'm not counting them out just yet. Another listen,
Espe shared a year to go you know, yeah, yeah,

(16:09):
I mean shared what he lost by six.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Something like that.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
No, I think less.

Speaker 11 (16:13):
Was it closer than that?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I don't remembering.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yes, let me know what the margin was, because he
definitely always outran his Republicans, you know, allies there, he
kind of fell victim I think to the same thing
where he.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Three and a half points.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Okay, wow, right, so that was and that was in
a Republican kind of wave election, if you will. So
if you then think back to now, like you're only
talking a couple of points, you have decent amount of
approval rating, we'll see. I just I wouldn't want to
be any of these guys. And it is no matter what,
it's embarrassing if you win only by one or two,
or if it goes to a recount or something, and

(16:47):
it's just it's embarrassing, humiliating.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
If they lose, it.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Is actually kind of a political earthquake if they lose.
I was just looking at the polymarket odds. They have
Van Epps at a nine percent chance of winning, just
so we're clear about, you know, where the betting markets
are and whatever. But yeah, I mean personally, given the
poll numbers, I'm not sure that you know, I might
be worth placing a little bit on on aften.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yeah, that's good value, that's good, that's good odds there.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
But in any case, the other reason that this is that,
of course I'm very interested in this race is because
Afton is like, she's a lefty, you know, she she's
a Breaking Points fan. By the way, we had her
on the show. You guys should go and watch that interview.
We got a lot of interesting stuff on her, including
getting her to respond to her comments that she hates
Nashville and country music, which you know they've made a

(17:36):
lot about.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Of course, after race.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm with you, all right, I'll say it, all right.

Speaker 11 (17:40):
She was like office.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
It was very relatable too. She was like the bachelorette,
the pedal pub.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
She's right, she's right. I will say though I did
the pedal thing. It's kind of fun, funny, it's.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
At But in any case, she was, you know, sort
of like these tourists. They're always in the way relatable.
If you've lived in the city with a lot of tourists. Oh,
I lived in New York City. I'm square, like, get
the fuck out of my mind.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'm trying to not imagine if that what's Broadway or whatever,
I'd be like, I'm getting the Hallway. If I lived
in Nashville. I'm sure most of you don't even go there,
So I'm just talking about it.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
But in any case, you know, the narrative about the
left that the Centrists and the Glaciases of the world
as reclined, you know, third Way or no labels or whatever,
or trying to push is like, sure, Zoron can win
in New York City, but this politics really doesn't apply
outside of a.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Deep blue area.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
And here you have, you know, a candidate whose politics
are pretty indistinguishable from Zoron's, who is in striking distance
in a Trump plus twenty two districts.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
So it's going to blow up.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's going to be very very interesting and blow up
a lot of narratives if she's able to pull it off,
or even if she comes close.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
So that's the other reason to watch this.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I wanted to play this Fox News clip that I
thought was kind of interesting of one of their contributors
saying you know, you guys think this like their socialist
thing is really working for you, and I'm just not
sure that it lands the way that it maybe once landed.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
This is a six. Let's go ahead and take a
listen to this.

Speaker 12 (19:06):
Mom Donnie is going to be the next mayor of
New York. He's obviously a democratic socialist, and a lot
of Republicans have kind of said, oh, watch and see
what happens to New York. That's going to be the
death of socialism. You don't necessarily think that's the case.

Speaker 11 (19:22):
No, I don't, and thanks for having me. John.

Speaker 13 (19:24):
Also, you know, the conventional wisdom regarding Mom Donnie was
that his victory was going to be a boon for
Republicans in the midterms because they could just point at
socialism and say, you know, there's the boogeyman.

Speaker 11 (19:35):
I don't think that this is going to work.

Speaker 13 (19:37):
I think there is a real misreading of the ground
in Middle America, the heartland, call it whatever you want.
I spend most of my time there talking to voters,
and they're not terrified of socialism, and they're not the
conservative what we used to call blue dog democrat types
that you expect to find there. One quick example, two

(19:57):
thirty somethings that I met in Dallas.

Speaker 11 (19:59):
These guys were Democrats, but not hardcore.

Speaker 13 (20:02):
Socialism came up. I asked a question that we hear
a lot on this channel. Where has it ever worked?
Without missing a beat? The first guy said Norway. Second
guy chimes in and says Sweden and Finland. Now, look,
we can debate that, and we kind of did those models.
But the takeaway here is that when I said socialism,
their mental image was not breadlines in Cuba or the
former Soviet Union. It was free healthcare and generous vacation

(20:26):
packages in Scandinavia. So I think Republicans have to understand
the ground is a little different than they think it is.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
And this reminded me Sory. I saw a pole recently,
Canon's One pole who Knows That was asking people about like,
how do you feel about socialism? And even in the Republicans,
it was not like the ninety nine percent like oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
That's terrible.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
There was some a third of the Republican base that
was like, maybe, I mean, we're an.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Era of radical politics.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
People are disgusted and they're fed up with the mainstream,
and you know, a label like social is still definitely
carries a stigma in the country, but it's breaking down
in a way because it's also a way to stick. No,
I'm not like these of King Jeffreys, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi,
people that you hate. So it is also a way
of signaling that you are in some ways oppositional to
the existing Democratic Party. And you know, at a time

(21:10):
when people are feeling like they're they're screwed and they
don't have hope for the future, and they don't have
hope for their kids. Yeah, calling someone a radical is
not the epithet that perhaps it once was.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I mean the structural, the structural kind of like stew
for this has existed for a long time.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
It happened with Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
I mean we talked about this the norms, you know,
even on immigration. They're like, oh, it's Nazi, and they're like, yeah,
a lot of people still voted for him. Okay, you
could say it now if you want to. I still
don't think it's going to be all that effective. But
the point is is, like Trump won the popular vote
in twenty twenty four despite breaking all the norms and
saying whenever he wanted. Yes, we live in a radical age,
and that's why I also think the socialism thing. Let's

(21:52):
also just consider very briefly, like the long history of
the attacks. In the same way, if you've called every
democrat out a socialists since nineteen eighty basically, what is
it nineteen eighty four? I I want to say something
like that, mondale On, Well, at a certain point, you
know people my age who weren't even alive at that time.
It was a tired trope by the two thousands, so

(22:14):
now twenty twenty five, so you're at this point where
you're like, yeah, I don't know, man. And I think
that's one of those where if anything is good of
the destruction of establishment norms, mainstream media and all of that,
it's that most people, in my opinion, these days, are
trying to figure out stuff for themselves on their own terms. So,

(22:34):
for example, when you call someone a radical, we're like, well,
what do you mean by that? Exactly right? And so
if you say I don't know about healthcareer, like, well, okay,
I mean that.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Seems kind of reasonable to me.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
It might disagree on the implementation or whatever, but the
idea I'm not a posed saying whenever it comes to
I don't know, like even tariffs or any Trump ran
on tariffs in twenty sixteen, everyone said it's going to
do the economy. It's the worst idea in the world.
Even the idea of tariff's not the current terriffs. He
won because people were like, oh, kind of makes sense
to me. So I think it's one of those where
people need to understand that with the destruction of norms,

(23:07):
it doesn't just apply to the right, it applies to
the entire Overton window of political discoord. So that's kind
of why I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Medicare for All has majority support in the Republican Party.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Now, I mean, I mean we've discussed this.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I think that sometimes taking these polls to the bank
is not exactly the correct thing.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Okay, but the idea, okay, right, the fact.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
That you even have a poll that is credible at
all that has a majority of Republicans where.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Like I guess so, well, I think the idea is
everyone should have healthcare. Now, you know, if we're going
to say, should we have a single pair government control healthcare?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
No, I actually don't think that they'll be there.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I mean like everyone always says about bombacare well, technically
on paper it polls well, like no, it's well, I will.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Just say your caveats about polling, I totally take. I
think people are bad at like anticipating what they will
actually support and what the whatever. But the language of
the poll did say that, I mean, most private health
insurance would go away, and it still garnered majority Republican support.
It's a different day, and in some ways Trump has
opened the door to this because you know, he used
the language about the working class and about even about

(24:12):
healthcare that sort of co opted the left. So it
took some of the sting of the attacks on left
wing positions when you have the president. I mean, it
doesn't follow through on any of this shit, but using
some of the language and signaling like he's interested in
moving in a similar direction. I did want to flag
there a couple other races that are going to be

(24:32):
interesting tonight. Let's put a seven up on the screen, guys,
go check out Bolts magazine. Daniel mcshanean is you know,
unmatched in terms of like literally following every ballot initiative,
every down ballot race down to the like school board
and local prosecutor. Everything right, But in any case, he
flags a few different things that are happening today. Like

(24:53):
I said before, there's a number of kind of intra
Democratic party fights on the Atlanta, Georgia City Council. There
there are some DSA candidates versus some more traditional Democratic candidates.
So that's an interesting one. This one saga I think
you'll appreciate. There's an at large school board race in
Atlanta where you have a young person running for the

(25:16):
seat who in twenty sixteen went viral when, as a
fourteen year old high school student, he recited a poem
titled white Boy Privilege in a sam poetry competition in
his school. It is now running for the local school board.
I don't remember that particular I don't remember that, but
you don't remember it.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I've been online for a long time. If I haven't
heard of it, I'm just I'm a little sketch.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
You're skeptical of the virality of this particular thing. There's
also some interesting Jersey City and other New Jersey races,
but in particular in Jersey City, do you guys remember
Jim McGreevy.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
He was the governor of New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Democrat just had to resign a disgrace over like corruption.
I think he may have even served time in person.
I'm not a hundred percent sure about that. But he
also he was he came out as gay because he
like these I think affair allegations with a man came out,
so he came out as gay. And he's married to
a woman anyway, he's trying to make his comeback. He's
like a more like centrist establishment DEM and he's running

(26:13):
against a candidate who is backed by Working Families Party,
so more of a like lefty candidate. And there are
also city council members who are kind of the McGreevy
people and then the Working Families people. So that's playing
out in the New Jersey mayoral and city council races
as well. So that'll be kind of interesting to watch
in terms of a bell weather of where the Democratic

(26:35):
Party base is at this point.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
So take a look at that one as well.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I think I'm interested to see.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
We're always gonna look at these, the Tennessee one in particular,
Like we said, I would probably put my I.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Don't know at the same time, ninety ten with those.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Odds, I think I would actually play.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I wouldn't put a big bet on it. But yeah,
but it is not financial advice. You shouldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Betting is bad and he's degenerate purely from a math
a medical perspective.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Though, you know there's good value there. There's good value.
That's all same. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
If you're a betting man, they would look at that
and say, hey, you know what's the worst they could happen?

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, nine to ten odds, that's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, but I knew how to bet on poly market.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
I might do it, but it's actually no hard But yeah,
I'm not going to give it tutorial for everybody who
is here.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, sure Google could help us out with that.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's it's really not that difficult. I think it's legal
now here, oh is it?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm pretty sure that they reach some settlement or whatever
with the CFTC so that you can do it, not
that you should, and definitely not that they should continue
down their sports betting, their sports betting turn which they
and all the other prediction markets are now going down.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Shocker. So interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
They went from very predictive in politics to chasing the
most degenerate, big market that exists.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
But that's a segment for another day.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
All right, should we get to try Yeah, let's get
to Trump.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
He kind of hangs over all these elections, of course,
and over everything that's happening. Harry Enton had a good
breakdown of the latest of Believe. It's a Gallon poll
that came out that how does approval rating almost matching
his low after January sixth, So really, you know, pretty
grim numbers here coming out for Trump. Let's go ahead
and take a listen to what Harry Entten how to say.

Speaker 14 (28:13):
Look at this in January, Donald Trump's not approve rank
not too bad, not too great. It was at minus
one point, right within the margin verra breaking even. But
look at this now negative twenty four points, way way down.
We're talking about a drop of over twenty points in
the wrong direction for the president of the United States.
Minus twenty four points. That's a twenty three point move

(28:34):
in the incorrect direction if you're the president. And of course,
what's so important here, Sarah Seidner, is it matches the
trend that we've seen with other polls, that is Donald
Trump hitting his low for the second term. I was
doing the account last night. I think we're up to
ten polls in sort of the last forty days, ten
different posters who have said that Trump is at the
lowest point he is in his second term. I run

(28:55):
out of room on the side, so I just put
up the Republican presidents. But look, the only one who's
worse for me, either among Republicans or Democrats at this
point a second term is Richard Nixon. Of course, Richard
Nixon had to wave audio somigos goodbye. Less than a
year after this Paul was taken. He was at minus
thirty six points. Trump at minus twenty four points.

Speaker 11 (29:13):
That beats or.

Speaker 14 (29:14):
Is worse, I should say, beats in the wrong direction.

Speaker 11 (29:16):
George W. Bush minus nineteen points.

Speaker 14 (29:18):
His Republican party, of course, suffered major losses in the
two thousand and six mid term elections. Dwight Eisenhower plus
thirty one points. Now Trump has never smelt that at all.
I had to go into the archives to pick up
that photo. And Ronald Reagan at plus forty one points.
But again, it also is worse than Harry S.

Speaker 11 (29:31):
Truman. It's worse than Lindon Mains Johnson. It's worse than
Barack Obama.

Speaker 14 (29:35):
It's worse than Bill Clinton.

Speaker 11 (29:36):
Anywhere you look.

Speaker 14 (29:37):
This is the second worst for a president of either
party at this point in their second term.

Speaker 11 (29:43):
Dating all the way back.

Speaker 14 (29:45):
Since the nineteen forties, were there any presidents who saw
their net approval ratings rise by more than five points? Well,
guess what, Sarah Sider, you go all the way back
since Harry S. Truman, zero out of eight times that
the presidents then approved rating rise by over five point.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
In terms of the midterms impact. You can put the
next tear sheet up on the screen. This is the
actual gallop numbers. Here you can see, you know, pretty
clear trend disapproval rising and rising, approval rating falling and falling,
lowest point yet in this term. So the trend is
not good. And if you dig into those numbers, what
was actually interesting is, you know, there was no really

(30:26):
lower that Democrats could go in terms of their approval
rating of Trump. They've basically been at three percent approval
rating for him from the beginning. You know, with a
little bit of ups and downs. The movement really comes
from two places. It comes from Independence, who from the
last reading dropped from a thirty three percent approval to
a twenty five percent approval. But some of the movement

(30:47):
also comes from Republicans. At the last reading, they were
at ninety one percent approval, and now they're down at
eighty four percent approval. Now those are still very you know,
eighty four percent overwhelmingly favorable towards Trump. But he's kind
of famous for having this absolute lock on the Republican base.
And you know, he had a recent high of ninety
three percent support among Republicans, So that number has dropped

(31:10):
almost ten points, and that's part of what is contributing
to this overall decline.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, it's well, I say this all the time for
all of these Republicans.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
They're like, MAGA doesn't care. I go, is MAGA the
Republican Party? Uh no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Or or we can say this is MAGA everybody who
voted for Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
They just don't get it.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Is that MAGA is a distinct maybe twenty five thirty
percent of the US population. How many and let's say
of voters, twenty five to thirty five percent of voters,
because it's a little bit higher for people who voted. Okay,
So where does the rest of it all come from?
Because how did you get to fifty plus one? Whenever
you came to winning the election. That is how you win.

(31:51):
That's what the whole ballgame is about. And they don't
seem to understand how I mean in a way, I
think we're probably perfectly poised. That's our audience, that's our
that's our bread. And are people who are more undecided
a little bit more different. They're not deeply partisan, So
I understand these people. We swim in these waters. It's
just so obvious now for over a year that things
have dramatically shifted I think against their momentum. I said

(32:15):
this before. I think March really was a demarcation point
for the Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
That was the height of doughe idiocy.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
That's when it became pretty clear that was also the
Mike Waltz scandal signal thing. I mean was kind of
just like all it was like, oh, okay, so like
this this is the movie. Anybody who thought the movie
was going to be different. We're in the second act.
It's on like it's bad now, and we could all
kind of see where things were beginning to go. And
I think a lot of the American People Liberation Day

(32:43):
in particular, that's when they really saw where all things
worre things going to go, and the way that that
was handled.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
They just never recovered from it. And this is part of.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
The problem with their understanding of the general electorate is
that they still believe a lot of these Republicans that
if they just continue to suck up and kiss Trump's
ass in the most like you know, fawning ways, that
that will keep their power base in Washington. But that
has the electoral dynamics that enabled that last time around.

(33:15):
They don't exist anymore. Trump is way less popular today
than he was last time around. Friend of mine, Kurt Mills,
shared an article with me about how we're talking about
like George W. Bush December two thousand and five territory,
and I mean, if you weren't alive at that time.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It was crazy.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
It was like, that's what led to Nancy Pelosi and
this huge Democratic wave. It was a precursor to Barack Obama.
Barack Obama's never president. If that two thousand and five,
two thousand, if that two thousand and six Democratic wave
doesn't happen, that's literally what enables him to run for
the White House.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
And all kinds of people.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Were winning at that time, who were Democrats who had
no business even being in there, And then think about
the course of history that that eventually ended up having.
These have ripple effects for a long long time, and
especially on the economy. We're right back to where we
were twenty eighteen, except this time Trump is actually more
unpopular than he was at that time. He actually still
had I think quite a bit going for him, But

(34:09):
this time it's just like, I don't know, in a ways,
it's all Trump's fault, like he has surrounded him.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
He's not campaigning very much.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I think he lives in an information bubble, purely of
mar Lago and of his advisors who just tell him
what they want to hear.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I mean, one of the things that.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
He actually was always good at is he did so
many rallies. I covered them, I was at so many
of these. He actually was quote in touch with people
by just constantly field testing stuff. When's the last rally,
can anybody even doesn't even even know?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
He's not interested.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
He only cares about getting himself elected, So he's not
out there even with the voters. This is a problem
always for presidents, particularly second term presidents. They don't have
the incentive year old, especially an eighty year old, right exactly,
you could just keep all think about all the structural
things where even the good ones they have big problems
staying at being out of touch, not being in touch

(35:00):
with like the voters, trying to keep their pulse on
where things are, and then think about the information environment
that they're swimming in. Apparently he was true thing over
you know, two or three hundred things in the middle
of the night last night, right, just literally just true
social stuff like that's the that's.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
The world that you're living in. You have no idea
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Right right, I mean the information ecosystem. It's not just
about who physically he's surrounding himself with. But during the
first term he was on Twitter, and Twitter had a
lot of I mean especially that was.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Pre Elon, so there were a lot of liberals.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
There was a lot of opposition on Twitter that he
would have to at least you know, see and deal with.
And now he's you know, largely on true social and
so even that is an information cocoon. Atlantic wrote a
pretty good piece with some reporting about exactly the dynamic
that you're talking about, and this is Jonathan Leamyron here,
let me.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Read this this portion.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
They talk about true social talk about the fact, like
you said that they compared. He went and compared the
first term schedule versus this term. The difference was incredibly dramatic.
Talked about how there's no more rallies. He's either you know,
at the White House or posted at mar A Lago,
or when he's traveled, it's been overseas. You know, it's
been to you know, do humped on the sea here

(36:14):
or there and try to get his Nobel prize and
the other thing. He's fixated on his frecking ballroom. But
he says this term, there are very few voices inside
the White House to tell Trump no or get him
back on track, and that's by design. At the start
of his first term, Trump field his team with a
mix of veterans of past Republican administrations and figures from
the GOP establishment who moderated some of his more extreme impulses.

(36:34):
But Trump chased at those roadblocks. In twenty twenty five,
he surrounded himself with enablers, not figures, such as John Kelly,
Rex Tillerson and James Mattis. Trump trusts his own instincts,
and points to his historic reelection as proof that he
provides his own best counsel. His chief of staff, Susie
Wows has being clear she does not see her role
as constraining the president. More Over, there as not a
Republican leader on the other end of Pennsylvania avenue to

(36:55):
play the role of Mitch McConnell and check Trump's power.
And although Trump still calls his old friends back in
New York, and this part I found really interesting, he
does it less frequently than during his first term. Someone
familiar with the calls told me, depriving the president of
candid feedback from people who have known him for decades
and may not agree with him on every issue. Instead,
his focus has been on the business titans and billionaires

(37:16):
with whom he has frequently dined at the White House
and at mar A Lago, who wants something from him
and tell him what he wants to hear. So instead
of the you know, I mean largely conservatives, certainly on
economic issues, business guys that he used to chat with
on the phone in his first term, now he's got
Mark Zuckerberg there kissing his az and Sam.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Altman and Elon and.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Whoever, right, all these tech oligarchs who are just there
to bring him gold bars and kiss his feet and
beg for their tear of car bounds or their goodies
or whatever it is that they want from him. That's
what he's surrounded with now. And then the other piece
is like, this is an old man. He has never
really given a shit about the Republican Party, and I'm
not sure he cares that much. That his policies are

(38:00):
wildly out of step with the American public, you know,
and he's increasingly sort of disengaged.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
And then this is the other part.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Is outside of the individual policies, where people are very
sour on the economy, they've soured on the immigration cruelty,
you know, they've Sager was talking about some of the
like the chaos and the scandals, which are always exhausting
to people and people do not enjoy. In addition to that,
now you're also Trump is really finally.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Starting to show his age.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
You know, he's visibly falling asleep in meetings, and they're
increasingly health questions, especially around he kind of accidentally revealed
that he had this MRI recently, and so there have
been a lot of questions about what was the MRI
for can we see the results, et cetera. Caroline Levitt
had to feel a question about this yesterday.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
This is B three. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 15 (38:47):
As part of President Trump's comprehensive executive physical, advanced imaging
was performed because men in his age group benefit from
a thorough evaluation of cardiovascular and abdominal health. The purpose
of this imaging is preventative, to identify any issues early,
confirm overall health, and ensure the president maintains long term

(39:07):
vitality and function. Everything evaluated is functioning within normal limits
with no acute or chronic concerns. In summary, this level
of detailed assessment is standard for an executive physical at
President Trump's age and confirms that he remains an excellent
overall health.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
And let's put before up on the screen as well.
They felt like they needed to release this memo from
the you know, the White House's doctor.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
It says, oh, his cardiovascular imaging is perfectly normal. There's
no evidence of arterial narrowing and pairing, blood flow or abnormalities. Overall,
his cardiovascular system shows excellent health. His abdominal imaging is
also perfectly normal. So in any case, you know, they
at least feel enough pressure to have to put out
something from the White House physician, for Caroline Levitt to

(39:56):
have to address it from the podium. And you know,
when voters start go these questions in their mind and
they see an aging president who you know, increasingly photos
are coming out where really doesn't look too great, and
where he's you know, sleepy at the meetings and all
of those sorts of things, it also contributes to a
general vibe of malaise and the administration being adrift, which

(40:17):
is very similar dynamic to what we saw in the
Biden administration as well.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's the same problem. It seems
the only way to counteract it. One of the how
did Trump counteract the age thing in the twenty twenty
four campaign.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
He was everywhere, Yeah, all the.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Times, being very vigorous out there at the rally.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Also, I mean I haven't heard anything in particular. Yeah,
he's like fallen asleep. I've seen a few times he
did do it in the first term too. I remember
a few of those hilarious incidents that said, what the
only way to counteract it is what Biden and Trump
apparently didn't want to do.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is appear out in public all the time.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah, I mean he is, you know, mostly in public
I would say the Oval Office or others.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
It's not really Biden territory.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
But the fact is is like this stuff, it gettings
currency and in particular when people there's something about the
elderly thing. I think for me too, is when you
feel as if things are slipping away and you don't
have much of a voice, and then you add the
like elderly component of like these eighty ninety year olds
or whatever who are in power, who truly don't care

(41:15):
about you, it makes you feel very.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Abandoned and have no investment and have no investment in
your He's not going to be around.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
He doesn't really give a shit, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I mean, I think that that is part of the vibe,
and I don't want to make it like I mean,
the deterioration on Biden was was something else, right, It's
not the same. I'm not saying it's the same. And
Trump has always been like incoherent in his ramblings, so
he's still obviously a much more effective communicator than Biden
was during his term. But you know, I think there's

(41:45):
this sense of decline and having this visibly aging, declining leader,
you know, heading up the country contributes to that sense
of the country as a drift and we're not getting
things back on tracks.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
So anyway, not a.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Great picture, and like I said, obviously has major impact
on how this election, these elections today are going to go,
how the midterms are going to go, and what's going
to come next after this term of trump Ism.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, I think it's uh.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Look, it sets the Republican Party up for a very
difficult fight because you have to build.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's the same thing Trump.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Remember, Trump will not he will not allow anything new
to come because that would be offensive to him. He
can't allow any breakage. He'll drag it down if he
wants to. Most Republicans you know, look, you're not You're
never gonna hear me say anything nice about Bush.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
But I do remember that at one point he even told.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
McCain and he's like, just say whatever you want about me,
if you need to get elected, yeato.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
That She would have the same thing. She's like, look,
you need to attack me to win. Who gives a shit.
He does not think about that at all.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
That's not his vio.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
It's not necessarily something that he is going to be.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And I mean, look at Marjorie Taylor Green, like she
was his fears as critic, and she felt enough pressure
in whatever way that she decided she had to resign
even though no one has more sort of credibile with
the MAGA bas separate apart.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
From Trump, then she does. So it shows you that even.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
As Republicans see like we're going to have to do
something different.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
I'm not super happy about this.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
You see some we're going to talk more about the
Pete Hegse thing. There actually is some breakage with the
White House over that. Although that's different than being directly
against Trump, but it is still an indication of, like,
you know, the power and the control slipping a little bit.
But we shouldn't fool ourselves. Like he still remains, you know,
incredibly powerful leader of the Republican Party who can exact

(43:32):
pain on his adversaries within that party, and so you
know that's still the overall dynamic within the coalition.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
That's right, all right, let's get to Epstein.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Turning out to Jeffrey Epstein, this is some exclusive reporting
I can offer work to our friends over at dropsite.
Shout out to Ryan Grimm in particular sharing some of
these emails with me. Been spending many hours going through them.
This is the first one that we can put up
there on the screen. So my headline here is quote
Epstein emails, is that as things started to circle the
drain here with Jeffrey Epstein, there was a very interesting

(44:05):
email that I found inside of his own sent inbox
that he sent to himself. And the headline here is
Epstein emails show concerns over roughly twenty underage girls as
the FEDS close in. So I'm going to read directly
from this email that Epstein sent to himself in April
of two thousand and seven. He says, quote in an

(44:25):
email tied him to himself that was titled privileged and confidential,
spelled incorrectly as I see it. A following is the
summary of the situation. Though I required girls over eighteen,
the results don't reflect it. The FEDS have spoken to
or know of girls between the ages of sixteen to eighteen.
If we are to extrapolate, we should assume there are
twenty girls in that age Rain adding they will all

(44:46):
claim topless.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Massage plus dot. That's the bad news. Now.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
The reason why I think that's very important. Is it
corroborates the federal investigation that came out at the time,
which they said that they had some confirmed thirty four
miners that they had spoken to. But for me, what's
really important about this email is basically the admission of guilt,
saying that was not always the case, and in fact,
in his plea agreement, the Sweetheart Deal, he had to

(45:13):
plea to only one miner who was listed at the
oldest one, none of the women who were girls really
between thirteen and seventeen, So actually admitting basically two dozens
effectively in his own private email communication. So that's kind
of one where I thought, I said, Wow, I mean
this guy basically admitted to the crime.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
In his own email email and an emails.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Well I was intended for, I think for his legal team,
but he's like, as I see it as a following
summary of the situation. Jason Leopold over at Bloomberg News
has done a lot of the legal work in terms
of publishing his legal comms already, so I won't go
fully into that, but one thing I just wanted to
highlight for everybody is this memo I found, which is
fascinating This is from two thousand and six, and this
is the earlier side of the federal.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Investigation into Epstein.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
So what Epstein has done is he's hired Alan Dershwitz
over at Harvard, and Alan Dershwitz has this research assistant
named Mitch Weber. Mitch Webber went on to work at
the White House. He's a very high profile reporter, a
lawyer here in Washington. Now, this was when, in the
early part of his career back in six, Weber wrote
a memo for Epstein which was titled possible federal violations

(46:19):
worst case scenario. He wrote that quote, it is likely
in some way or another, Epstein's communications with his messuses
in Palm Beach triggered jurisdiction under eighteen USC. Fifteen ninety one.
The relevant section of that federal law is quote prostituting
minors in interstate commerce, and specifically from section fifteen ninety one.

(46:41):
The long legal memo is basically and by the way,
there's so many different emails back and forth, which Jason
has already reported, where Epstein's like, look into federal sex
tourism laws and he's like, well, what if I brought
a girl who was sixteen to a state where the
age of consent was below eighteen.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Whow would that go?

Speaker 3 (47:00):
So they're constantly workshopping various different legal theories for why
ultimately he's not culpable in this entire thing. And what's
also very interesting is that inside of those emails was
this two thousand and seven letter which was sent to
the attorney US Attorney Alex Acosta, the US attorney who
gave Epstein that sweetheart deal. This was a letter which

(47:21):
was actually written by Kennet Starr, so the former you know,
the guy who led the impeachment stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Very powerful.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Remember that Bush white House is in power here at
the time. And their entire argument focuses not really on
Epstein himself. They're like, this is a local matter. This
is no local crime has been committed. But if it was,
it wasn't that.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Big of a deal. The Feds have no interest in
this case. These girls, it's all victim blaming. They lied
to Epstein about their age. There's a lot of attacking
the victim. And thus this is what they write, This
case is at art a local matter that is being
fully addressed by the state criminal justice system. Not true.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Remember that the palm Beach police are the ones who
called the FBI. They said, hey, we can't get this done.
We need you to step in. Here, they continue, there's
every reason to believe that the state process will result
in appropriate resolution of this matter may vindicate any conceivable
federal interest. Thus, there's no federal interests that could justify
a federal prosecution, and consequently, under the petite policy, any
federal involvement in this case must be discontinued. Eventually, alex

(48:21):
Acosta signs a non prosecution agreement despite some thirty four
confirmed miners that were there. Again, Epstein even admitting basically
to this in his own emails. And I think more importantly, though,
is that you had this memo where originally they were like, hey,
this is this could be a real problem, and then
they eventually move away from it. So I did reach
out to Mitch Weber did not respond to any of

(48:43):
my requests for comment. Here's what Alandersch was told me.
He says, quote, this was a lawyer and client confidential
communication from a research assistant. My more experienced judgment is
that it would be difficult. The prosecutors apparently agreed with me,
so in order to minimize the risk to them, they
agree to a state deal. That's how pleabarins are reached.
Both sides seek to minimize risks. Nothing unusual here, That's
what Alan Derschwitz told me in an email. But I mean,

(49:05):
I do think it is important that his own legal
team at that time, or Mitch White, the research assistant
here for Alan Dershowitz, was like, hey, you know, it's
actually I mean, to be fair, it was titled worst
case scenario and all that they eventually were able to
move past it. But the admission of guilt, the fact
that Epstein, I mean, and he's back and forth. It's
just literally constant. And again you can go and read

(49:26):
some of this from Jason Leopold where he's asking about
federal text sextum laws and constantly playing with the age
of consent about sixteen to eighteen what if I did this?
And that he's coaching Kenneth Starr through you guys. I mean,
it's incomprehensible the way that he writes. But when you
are to start to bring it together, he starts writing
these long narratives and memos for Kenneth's Starr to explain

(49:47):
why he's now involved in the case.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
And it's not about Jeffrey. And he's writing letters.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I found multiple letters from Epstein which he's writing for
other people about my friend Jeffrey. He's editing them about
how great of a guy he is, wants other people
and to send them to him.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
It's all character witness.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
But I'll tell you the creepiest part is right around
the time that it comes public is all these emails.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
And again Jason's reported this stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Is all these emails in the inbox from all of
these rich and powerful people.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Can't believe this happened to you. What a travesty of justice.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I'm like, billionaire, billionaire, billionaire, former UK ambassador. They're like, what,
this is so horrible, it would never happen to you.
I can't believe this, you know, Glaane, Oh my god,
my love, I'm so sorry. I mean, you know, by
the way Gallaine in terms of about what she told
Todd Blanche, I mean just from what I've read some
six hundred and eighty emails eventually that they exchange between

(50:39):
the two of them, the number of things that she
obfuscated in her testimony, it's unbelievable. Again, Jason has reported
some of this stuff which just goes into their relationship.
But I've now had your chance to read a lot
of it for myself, and it's shocking. And finally, the
one thing, remember I sent to the group chat yesterday Lolite.

(51:00):
In the months before he died, I'm going through so
Epstein did that classic thing where he linked his old
email to Amazon, and so all of his Amazon orders
are in there.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Really creep, creep, sec shit is there.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
But also, three months before his death the annotated and
revised Lolita, so he needed the annotated Lolita copy. He
also bought it on audible so he could listen to it.
Oh yeah, so hey, there's two separate purchases.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
It's just two on the nose.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
It's creepy too.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
The you know, best known novel about pedophilia and here,
so I haven't read the book.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Where my wife read the book, she was like, you
do know that the book is like he's the villain, right,
you know? Like, yeah, it's like the whole book is
about how the pedophile is the villain. Yes, And so
it's like, so were people reading this book and they
just didn't get the book.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Like it's written from his perspective right in prison, right, No, not. Well,
maybe he isn't, I don't remember, but it's written from
his perspective of how he's trying to lure in this
young girl Lolita.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
It was like a try a triold was.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Like her stepfather or something.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, something had some sort of a relationship with her
that brought him into contact with her.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
I don't remember the details.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Has been like over a decade since I read it,
but that's the general vibe. It's just got I mean,
it's it's deeply disturbing, but in any case, way too
on the nose that that's what he's ordering months before
he goes to prison and ends up killing himself in prison.
As that way, you know, I want you to just
reiterate for people the timeline here because I think this

(52:27):
is really important. So I think we already knew, but again,
this is important to emphasize because I don't think a
lot of people realize this that the FEDS knew about
He thinks twenty under age.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well, they admit took thirty four.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
We eventually find an email, and email is released in
twenty fifteen, which says from the Feds we knew about
thirty four victims that was never reported before.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
That time.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
So that gets to how ridiculous the whole sweetheart deal was.
But the thing is is he's admitting to himself in
his private communications that was not always the case. I
do think it's extraordinary. I mean, basically found the email,
he admitted it guilty, he admitted as guilt.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
So and he's trying to grapple with Okay, well, how
much do they have on me. Let's assume that they've
got probably twenty Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
He goes, well, if we can extrapolate.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
It underage And of course I didn't. I was It's
not what I was targeting.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
But you know, some of them are underage and accidentally
and I'm sure that they have that.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
And then they go.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
And this is also where power and privilege and position
makes a difference. This incredibly high powered legal team, oh
millions of incredibly connect I mean, the most connected people
you can imagine.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yet a crisis PR firm who I was advising you.
I've read his memos again, Jason has published that. You
can you can read the memos crisis PR firm, different
words to use. I mean, he threw I would estimate
something like ten million dollars in this case.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
And this is the Bush administration at the time, and
they're able to go to straight to whoever the decision
maker is, Elie, you really want to deal with this.
And also I'm sure there was lots of like, look
at how messy they'll look at all the people who
support him and are friends with him, and maybe you
should just leave this to the state level. And that
argument from them won the day, and that's what enables

(54:04):
Alex DaCosta to be in the position to craft the
sweetheart deal. So I think it's really revealing from that
perspective of as well, just of how they were approaching
all of this, where they thought their risks were, and
the way they were able to work the system so
that he gets barely a slap on the wrist, and
you still, because he gets barely a slap on the wrist,
you still have Alan Dershowitz to this day going on

(54:25):
and saying, well, he was only convicted of these very
minor offenses. I don't know what people are making such
a big right.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
See, that's the thing about dersh is, Dude, you're on
these I'm assuming I cannot prove this, but like that
email that he sent himself about privileged and confidential. I'm
assuming he's forward to that to his legal team's conversations.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Having them, you know, oral conversations with right two.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
So I mean Alan basically coming out like he wasn't
a pedophile, he was only convicted of a seventeen year
old girl or whatever. It's like, well, they had thirty
four confirmed miners from the FEDS and and here here's
here he is. He said it to himself, I did it.
You know, not all always the case. We should extrapolate,
you know, sixteen to twenty. It ended up being even
more than that from what the FAEDS have, and I

(55:06):
mean again, the nextust of power and all this stuff
and the emails. Most of this has been reported, like
Doug Band, this guy's Clinton's body man. At one point
he's like, hey, guys, I can't get a commercial flight.
I need to get so and so I want to
go watch a basketball game. Is air Force g Max available?
That's what he wrote to Glene Maxwell and Glane Fords
at Epstein.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
She's like, what do you want me to do here?
And he was like, yeah, just go ahead and pay
for him.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
He's like, he's willing to cover the private jet costs now,
Doug band says he never took the flight to be fair,
But you know this is Clinton's body man that they're
constantly in connection. They were like trying to buy some
watch off of each other, like some Odmar pige super
expensive watch. You can see like his degeneracy, not just
sexual stuff all within. He's constantly inquiring about Sikorsky helicopters

(55:48):
and yachts. And that's also kind of noteworthy to me.
Little Saint James, Oh my god, the number of emails
I've read of him him micromanaging the Little Saint James
property and like this each specific construction, it was like
his little you know paradise that really that he crafted
intimately from the gardens to the walls and others. And
you can see how he's constantly using Little Saint James

(56:10):
as this nexus to like try and get people to
come visit him.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And the Virgin Island government right covered protected him, covered
for him.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I'll hopefully have a story about the Virgin Island government,
so I can't. I'm still digging down in it. But
he was involved in the gubernatorial.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Races down there.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I mean, look, this time period from which we have
access to is like two thousand and five to roughly
like two thousand and eight. So that's why it's important,
is we have a lot of the legal communications. But frankly,
one of the reasons why he starts this new email,
in my opinion, is that this email was after the
Palm Beach pd had started looking into him. So the

(56:45):
real stuff I think is in the pre five but
I think he deleted his inbox or something because we
haven't been able to get an ex If you're listening,
you have access, said.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, Ryan said that there was evidence that some things
had been deleted, and oh, you know.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
You can see there's there's big chunks of months that
are missing. He was covering his tracks. He Glain did
the same thing in a lot of her emails. She said,
this is my new email. If you're emailing my old one,
please don't do that anymore. They were starting to change
up kind of their opsect or realize they have if
you will, right around two thousand and five, well that's
when the Palm Beach PDA starts to investigate.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Well, people have been sharing resharing this quote from Larry Summers,
who of course was very close to Jeffrey Epstein, confidante
and asking him for girl advice, and you know has
called him his wingman and whatever. Just to give you
a sense of the mindset of these people. So this
is something that he said to Jannis Vera Faucus, the
former Greek finance minister who wrote about this in his

(57:39):
memoir Adults in the Room. Vera Faucus was talking to Summers,
and Summers said that he needed to choose between being
an insider or an outsider, and he said, quote this
is Summers. The outsiders prioritize their freedom to speak their.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Version of the truth.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
The price of their freedom is that they are ignored
by the insiders who make the important decisions. The insiders,
for their part, follow a sacrisanct rule never turn against
other insiders and never talk to outsiders about what insiders
say or do. Their reward question mark access to inside
information and a chance. They're no guarantee of influencing powerful

(58:15):
people and outcomes. So someone who was deeply en messed
in the circle, Larry Summers, who is an ultimate consummate insider,
he's explaining to Yannis fair Faucus that if you want
to be an insider and you want to have a
chance to impact powerful people and make policy. The rule
is you can't snitch on us. You got to keep
your mouth silent shut about anything to do with us.

(58:36):
You never turn against other insiders. And that seems to
be the code more than anything that kept this whole depraved, sociopathic,
pedophile ring of elites going for years and years and years.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I mean, by the way, on the Larry Summers thing,
you know who told Epstein he should read Lolita. Larry
Summer's wife.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Who is recommending this book?

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Best man have been the first to recommendation.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Where That's why the eyes wide shut piece that we
covered the last time we were talking about this, Like
it is true, like these people are weird. I like again,
I know a decent amount of people, even some more powerful.
It's just like, whatever this is that exists in this inbox,
I have never been exposed to it. I honestly, if
you had told me before I ever got into the

(59:25):
Epstein story, it'dened like you're crazy, it's just not true.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
But like, no, it's true, it's real, Like there actually
is a call for me.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Was that eye opening moment of like holy shit, because
this is this man's fiftieth birthday present. It's been compiled
from all these different friends and you know, associates and
acquaintances and former presidents and you know, all the Larry
Summers is in their Trump's and there Bill Clinton's, and
like they're all in there, and almost all of them

(59:54):
are weird and creepy and sexual and these weird like
child drawings and all this.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
I'm like, what the fun is this? What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
This is not anything that any normal person would have seen.
And yet somehow all of these people knew that this
was like the weird, creepy style that would be expected
in this birthday book. That to me was incredibly eye
opening about what is going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Yeah, there's the only Trump. There's not a lot on
Trump in here. The one crazy mention is there's this
list that Gallane sends him and it's like, please review
this list, add or remove people. It's like Larry Summers,
who else like Jean Luke, you know, all of his friends,
Ace Greenberg, the former CEO, Senator George Mitchell, Michael Ovitz,

(01:00:40):
the Hollywood superstar Donald Trump, Les Wexner, Jess Staley, the
former the JP Morgan guy at the time, later on
the CEO of Barclays, like just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
At Duke of York, Duke of York.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
These have been General Wesley Clark like, there's a lot
of fun, very famous people who are on this list.
And Epstein replied to this and he said, remove Trump, Lead,
ad Earl Mack, David Gergan, more Zuckerman, you know, and
all these But my thing is, I'm like, I still
don't know what this list is. And what's also crazy
throughout the emails, like the amount of Hollywood invines this

(01:01:14):
guy was getting was crazy, Like it was invited to
like the what was that George Claney movie? No, Michael Clayton.
They're like, hey, do you want to come to the
premiere of Michael private screening? Like, hey, do you want
to come to The Sopranos the final episode? He was like,
do you want to come to a special screening of this?
Just the level of yeah again, just just to really

(01:01:34):
see it up close. You know, you have some inkling
of the way the world works, even getting to know,
you know, relative power circles. But this was a whole
other level. And so yeah, we'll have more stories. By
the way, shout out again. I want to give the
real shout out Ryan grim More Taza, those guys they
did all the Israel reporting, they got their first incredible

(01:01:54):
stuff going through it. Also final shout out Jason Leopold
over a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Let's put C two up on the screen because I
think this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Is yeah, he also has Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
This was also you know, he did a FOIO request
to say, hey, see, hey, what's going on with this,
you know, effort to redact the Epstein files, and he
was able to get his hands on some internal government
correspondence and you know, basically found the amount of overtime
hours that were spent between March seventeenth and March twenty second,

(01:02:24):
FBI personnel clocked in a total of four seven hundred
and thirty seven hours of overtime actually sorry, that was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Between January and July.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Of that more than seventy percent occurred during the month
of March alone. While personnel we're reviewing the Epstein files
at a total talk taxpayer dollar amount of you know,
over a million dollars, and so you've got yeah, I mean,
it's important to see what's going on here behind the
scenes where they're going through. We don't know what the
nature of these redactions were. I don't think that he's

(01:02:54):
been able to get his hands on exactly what they
were looking for and the ways that they were trying
to scrub these files. This is leading up to them being, oh,
there's nothing to see here, and you know, let's case clothes.
Let's move on, going from why have the files on
my desk they're being reviewed to he killed himself and
there's really nothing going on here anyway, We're all moving on.

(01:03:14):
So he gets a little bit of the backstory here
of what was happening behind closed doors.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yeah, the redactions and the review process, you can just
see like how crazed that they are to try and
to do this. The FOYA that he was able to
get basically gets to all of the he said, the
number of hours as you said, and the you know,
hundreds of thousands of dollars that they clocked forty seven
hundred hours of overtime. So yeah, shout out to Jason.

(01:03:42):
People really should go subscribe to him on Twitter and stuff.
He calls himself a FOYA terrorist, and he really is.
He's one of the goats here. I want to give
him a lot of credit for breaking some of the
stuff wide open because what he did. I think also
with the initial Bloomberg story, is he broke a lot
of this these emails because he was personal who got
first access to them. He broke some of this stuff
out into the open that revealed this power nexus.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
These a lot of these people, these billionaires and others.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
They're not responding to me for comment, but they did
respond to Jason and so they had to. Right, it's
bloomberg fucking news, right, so they had to come forward
and offer an explanation or any of that. He broke
it down if their team did a very digestible job.
So yeah, we're just going to continue to try and
add on to some of the stuff that we know,
some of the intelligence connections, Israel stuff and others. But

(01:04:27):
this email set has been you know, shared with a
variety of different journalists, and I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
That's what That's how it needs to be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
And anybody out there, if you have more, send it along,
especially anything pre five and post twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I would love to read it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Not the stuff that the House of Representatives has, the
real stuff, his actual email stuff that hasn't been vetted
or any of that. We you know, obviously we're not
releasing everything because that has names of victims and private inform,
financial information, all kinds of stuff. We're doing a lot
of work behind the scenes just to make sure everything
we put out verified, vetted, astra comment and all that.
It takes a lot of work. So there you go,

(01:05:03):
Thank you all very much for that. All right, let's
get to Cash Patel. Shall we put this help here
on the screen? Just too uh, this one's too good.

Speaker 11 (01:05:12):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
So this is interesting that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
This is in the New York Post too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Oh yeah, Miranda Devine, she had a bunch of scoops
with regard to the Charlie Kirk investigation as well. So
she is plugged in here with the FBI, and she's
plugged in with some people who are really not super
psyched about Cashptel, the quote.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Unquote leader, the mega contingent of the FBI. Yeah, that
doesn't include Cash Betel. Okay, so she says. FBI Director
Cash Betel is facing withering criticism from an alliance of
active duty and retired agents. Days after the White House
denied media reports the President's going to fire him, a
troubling new report card on the first six months of
Petel's leadership concludes he is in over his head and

(01:05:50):
his quote deputy Dan Bongino is something of a clown
which in pre trivious reports warned about crippling DEI and politicization.
So these are people who have warned about d and
politicization of the FBI under Biden. All right, So can
we just say that they're not specialist, they're not libs, all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Right, she says.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
The FBI under Patel is described as a quote rudderless
ship and all fucked up. Patel is described by the
multiple inserces as inexperienced, one source saying is neither the
breadth of experience nor the bearing an FBI director should
be successful. Another self professed Trump supporter said Patel is
not good, maybe insecure lacks Erek was an experience and

(01:06:28):
a measured self confidence to be the FBI director.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Some of the heavy criticism stems.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
From Patel's behavior in Salt Lake City after the Charlie
Kirk assassination. He was accused of giving premature public remarks
that jeopardize the investigation, taking credit for the work of
other agencies, yelling and swearing at the agent in charge.
Both he and Bongino were criticized for arrogance and an
unfortunate obsession with social media. One source that he needed

(01:06:56):
to stop talking, stop posing, just be professional. Another that
he is spending too much time on social media and
public relations, too often concerned with building their own personal resumes.
This was all written in the style of an official
FBI intelligence assessment, analyzing reports from sources and sub forces,
and using anecdotes to illustrate troubling themes. Now this is

(01:07:18):
my personal favorite one. On September eleventh, twenty twenty five,
the day after Kirk was assassinated, Patel flew into Provo Utah. This,
by the way, is according to this report. Just so
we're all clear, Patel flew into Provo Utah on the
FBI jet Quote would not disembark from the plane without
an FBI raid jacket. According to a highly respected source

(01:07:38):
who was served in the FBI for decades, Quote, Patel
did not have his own FBI jacket with him and
refused to step from the plane without wearing one. Agents
at Salt Lake City, busy working on the Kirk case,
had to stop and ask around to find an FBI
ray jacket, a quote, medium sized one that would fit
that one hurts gosh when a jacket belonging to a

(01:08:02):
female agent was delivered to Patel on the plane, he
complained that two areas on the upper sleeves did not
have velcrow patches attached.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Let's put those images up here on the screen, please.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Patel would not leave the plane until he had two
patches to cover those areas, so members of an FBI
swat team took patches off their own uniforms ran those
patches over to Patel at the airport. The patches were
then attached to the loner FBI raid jacket. Patel disembarked

(01:08:36):
from the plane. Patel did not have a positive impression.
The director was quote not happy with the way the
investigation was going, yelled at the special agent in charge,
directed an expletive laden tirade over perceived blunders in the case.
Bongino later called him and apologized for his tirade, saying
they should never have happened. They say Patel did a

(01:08:59):
disservice to the FBI by breaking with bureau tradition and
then taking credit for good work by other agencies and
seemingly to imply results that would not have been possible
without Patel's involvement. In another situation, he was said to
be so upset that a discussion took place among a
few FBI personnel that his request that he issued an
FBI firearm and was very upset that people had learned

(01:09:23):
about that. When details of the discussion league, he ordered
everyone to get polygraphed to find out who had criticized
him described and this is what we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Get for putting influencers in positions of power.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
And yeah, so I think those are my two personal
favorite ones that we can stick with. This doesn't even
get to the whole private jet thing that we had
talked about, visiting his romantic chatter friends who has quote
what did he say, has done more for this country
than most people have done ten Yeah, country music sensation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I don't know if I mean, I don't know if
you guys remember all the details. But he was a
messan plably, he was a mess because he was tweeting things.
And that's part of what they're saying in this report
is like, dude, stop posting and like, focus on your
freaking job and stop worrying so much about what people
are saying on Twitter, Like actually do what you're supposed
to do. Because he was posting inaccurate inform. Oh, we
got the guy. And then turns out, oh no, you don't,

(01:10:18):
you don't got the guy. And then I remember too,
we were waiting they had announced they were going to
do this press conference. Yes, we were waiting for it.
It's like, what is going on? What is happening with
this press conference? It was hours and hours and now
we know what the hang up was. Cash was waiting
to get his female sized medium jacket so that he

(01:10:38):
could you know, look, you know, have the FBI jacket.
Look not that it helps him, because people also still
commented during that press conference how he looked totally lost
and out of his depth. So the FBI jacket did
not save him from the public judgment. And then you
know you've had, of course all this stuff about the girlfriend.
Of course, all of the like you know, Epstein files

(01:10:59):
does disster. That disastrous appearance with Joe Rogan also, you know,
was a major problem for him. And look, that's the
one field where he should be x y. I mean,
he's a podcast or he should be expert at that,
and you couldn't even you know, nail.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
That one with Joe Rogan.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
And then you also had in this investigation at the
press conference right after these two National guardsmen were shot.
He says, we're we're gonna we're looking for who did this,
and they're like, dude, we've got the guy, Like he's
in custody.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
What are you talking about. So it's just a comedy
of theirs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
You know, there was a report I think from ms
NOW about how he was on the ounce and Trump
may fire him, he may be let go.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
They are denying that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
I have no idea whether the you know, there's any
veracity to that or not. I have a feeling that
in some ways, having especially the liberal press being you know, MSNBC,
the liberal press reporting on that, probably harden Trump like
he wouldn't want us to be seen to like giving
in to them. New York Post is a different matter, though.
I mean, this is aligned to meet more or less.

(01:12:01):
And so that's part of why having this report from
Miranda Divine in the New York Post is pretty devastating,
much more devastating than something that would come out of the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
N And do you know what Dan called her? He
called her deep state miran or deep state God. I mean,
they're just shamelessness, shameless, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I don't remember the dates for some whole fit of
the Epstein thing, like went home and it was going
to resign and then came back with his tail between
his legs.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
And he's basically been sidelined. Now they put.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Somebody else, They put somebody else like in his position
detail he's been equally embarrassing, but he's already sort of
been demoted.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Insideline.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Miranda Devine is I mean, as Trump friendly as you get,
but she's also just look, I mean honestly, props to
her because what it shows is she's not a complete
Sicka fan. She did that podcast, She's interviewed a bunch
of different Trump officials. Remember she asked the JD a
couple of UFO questions. But yeah, his response was deep state.
Divine strikes again. Miranda ridiculous of loves attacking our reform

(01:13:01):
agenda with gossipy anecdotes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Employees get.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Of covering up the Epstein fire, so upset her recording
keeps falling under scrutiny. You can always count on Miranda
for a timed hit piece. When the director and I
make big changes, she prefers the old guard I don't again.
These are people who These are FBI agents who are
sounding the alarm under Biden, who are MAGA friendly and

(01:13:28):
their deep state.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Okay, I mean I'm also I'm so sick of these
people trying to post like their Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Oh I like the nicknames and the like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
The whole style, listic like it's so it's so pathetic.
It's just so sad and tired at this point, like
we can all see what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
You don't have your own identity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
You have to try to channel the big Man, and
it doesn't work for anyone other than Donald Trump. So anyway,
just you know, just really sad stuff all the way around,
really sad stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Petic all right, put pritish

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