December 4, 2025 • 54 mins
Krystal and Saagar discuss Israeli conference off the rails, CNN partners with Kalshi, Hegseth flails on boat strikes.
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Let's get to Israel. I know Ryan and I only
covered this, but we wanted to. I think it's worth
playing twice.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hillary Clinton at this event for Israel Hayom. It's Israel's
most red newspaper. Run them reading from prem talker here
run by Israeli American billionaire and Trump downer Miriam Maddison,
joined by John Fetterman, Eric Adams, Trump you went, Ambassador
Mike Woltz, Biden official, Amos Hawkstein, and various really official
So quite a lineup at this event, and she had
some very noteworthy things to say about what she thinks
(01:01):
is going on and why, you know, why people's views
on Israel have changed. Let's take a listen to that.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
That our students, smart, well educated young people from our
own country, from around the world, where were they getting
their information. They were getting their information from social media,
particularly TikTok. That is where they were learning about what
happened in October seventh, what happened in the you know, days,
(01:29):
weeks and months to follow.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
That's a serious problem.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
It's a serious problem for democracy, whether it's Israel or
the United States, and it's a serious problem for our
young people. And it was frankly shocking to me how
little the students we were encountering, not only in this
class we teach, which is a very large class international
relations about crisis decision making, but students more generally. And
(01:56):
that's why I mentioned the social media piece of it,
because when you would try to talk to them to
engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very
difficult because they did not know history, they had very
little context, and what they were being told on social
media was not just one sided, it was pure propaganda.
(02:19):
And so when you think about how to tell Israel's story,
and it's important. It's not just looking internally, it's looking externally,
and particularly looking at young people, because you know, it's
not just.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
The usual suspects.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
It is a lot of young Jewish Americans who don't
know the history and don't understand.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Eric.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I was talking to Condi Rice, and you know, she
said in an interview that I did after the twenty
point plan came out. She and I were on CBS
and she said, you know, when people were chanting from
the river to the sea, would ask the students what river?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
What see?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
They didn't know. I had the same experience. A lot
of the challenge is with younger people. More than fifty
percent of young people in America get their news from
social media, so just pause on that for a second.
They are seeing short form videos, some of them totally
(03:26):
made up.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
In case you had any doubt about why they had
to take over TikTok and make it much more censorious,
this is why. But just imagine thinking that the problem
here for Israel isn't the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands.
I mean, we have to be real about the actual
deathol here of Palestinians. And seeing in your feed every
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day the worst atrocities you could possibly imagine, starving an
entire population, turning all of the Gaza Strip into rubble,
attacking hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, everything you can think of. No,
that's not the problem. They just don't understand the history, Sager.
(04:12):
They just don't get it. And I mean, this is
this is like the peak liberal Zionist view that worked
for so long to keep people shut up, which was, yes,
it looks bad, but you you know, there's lots of conflict,
it's complicated. You know, you just don't understand, like do
you know what happened in this summit or that summer?
Do you understand the details of when Clinton was negotiating that?
(04:33):
You just don't understand enough. And this has been so
horrific that people looked at this and said, you know what,
I don't need to understand every little nuance in detail
to know that this is wrong, To know that it
is disgusting that my tax dollars are going to fund this,
that my government is going to support this, that Democrats
(04:56):
like Joe Biden are running cover for it and have
embraced Yahoo and are letting him do whatever he wants.
It did not take an understanding of history to know
that this was wrong. But guess what, also, many many
young people have actually become quite educated about this conflict
and what led up to it. And let me tell you,
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the more they learn, the worst the Israeli side looks.
That's the bottom line. And it is so wild to
me that people like her still truly believe that the
real problem here is a failure of Israeli propaganda and
the quote unquote propaganda that young people are getting on TikTok,
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and not the reality of the genocide that Israel has
actually been committing.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I just think it's pretty so. I mean, I think
that argument worked because there was kind of something too it.
I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of injustice and
all that, but like this mass slaughter live had not happened, correct,
And I would say they're most like barbaric actions fully
had not taken over. And you know, even in times
of their society, most of the like truly heinous rhetoric.
(06:05):
They would say it in Hebrew. It wasn't as publicized,
it also wasn't as powerful and didn't enact into actual
government policy. But when the gen Benevir's and the smoke
trishes of the world and the West Bank all combines
with Goza. People are like, yeah, I'm done learning about
Camp David or anything and thinking that there's some problem here, right, Like,
at the end of the day, we're funding this, we're
propping it up, and it's also causing us all kinds
(06:27):
of problems, like not even in terms of domestic but
we're spending billions of billions of dollars and our own
domestic politics are revolving around this, and our government is
actively you know, deporting people who are against it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We're like, whoa, whoa. Right, It's like, that's what takes
it to a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And that's where look, I mean, I'll just say thank
god she lost, Okay, I mean, this woman from every
time that we put her back on the screen, it's
been almost ten years. She was horrible, like truly and
that mindset, by the way, it's still pretty prevalent in
permanent Washington today. Like in the elite Democratic Party circles,
you're not that far off.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Maybe the voters may be different.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But we also wanted to give voice to some of
the other people at this conference. By the way, why
is it even important to play this conference. It's like,
not only is it the large newspaper, but this is
Miriam Adelson, who is the one of the biggest donors
to Donald Trump and one of the most powerful mega
donors in the Republican Party. Who, by the way, according
(07:27):
to Donald Trump, at one point he asked whether she
loves Israel or America more end quote. She didn't answer,
and he suspected that it was Israel, according.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
To him, not me.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So just to clear all that up, so let's take
a listen. Our producers have put together a mash up
from the conference.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It would be as clear as I can be. When
someone chance from the river to the sea, they are
calling for the elimination of the Jewish state. When people
have no right to safety, no right to sovereignty, no
way to exist. History tells us exactly what happens.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Just to pick up on that, well, I'll tell everybody
is skip Miami.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
If you're leaving New York, just comes straight to Israel.
There's no reason to make a stop in Florida before
you need to come.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And you can decide you can stay here in New
York in a declining Empire, or you can come to Israel,
which is part of the rising middle of the world,
which is moving south and east.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That's what I encourage you to do.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
We are I did it due to our enemies here,
what Israel did to its enemies there, and on that
the Isic is focused. The challenge for us here is
to leverage Israel's successes into our successes. Israel's weakness is
ours and Israel's strength is ours. Our job in the
diaspora is to leverage those wins and win here.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Forty of New York Jews voted from Mamdani. Large parts
of our community have lost their I'll just say it,
tribal instinct, their Jewish solidary instinct in a way that
allowed them to vote for us, open enemy of Israel.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
In my opinion, the Jews with.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Honor to have you hear on the stage on behalf
of myself, on the entire team of Israelaoh, it's great
honor again to have you here.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think if I speak for many of us here,
if doctor Adelson reaches out, then we figure out a way.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
To get here. Great she reaches out. Just got to
figure out how to get here.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I mean, every one of those clips is like a
conspiracy theory come true for.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Real, though, I need them to keep having these conferences
and keep talking, just keep telling us exactly what you think.
The problem is. They've lost their tribal instinct. Is it
not a positive thing that they evaluate? Like, Okay, I'm
voting for mayor of New York and let me evaluate
(10:02):
the various candidates on how it's going to affect my
life here. And oh, by the way, as an added bonus,
this guy actually supports equal rights for everyone. That seems
like something I might be on board with, Like losing
the tribal instinct is a positive. And then the guy
who was like, we need to do to our enemies
here what we did to them in Gaza, Like you're
you're threatening us with genocide now, Like that's that's where
(10:23):
we're at, like openly on this conference to applause. It's
backed by one of Trump's largest donors.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That is wild.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, let's take the tribal thing right, Like, what's the
whole critique around this whole Somali fraud story in Minnesota
that Ryan and Emily covered yesterday. It's like, oh, well,
they're barbaric ethnic tribal and they defraud.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You're like, say that again. What So they're.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Acting tribally and leaving they refuse to leave behind the
values of the old world. And you're like, well, well,
the problem here in America is that people are acting
more like individuals.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, that stuff really offends me.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Also, because I get this sometimes from the Indian diaspora,
particularly people in India. They're like, saker's some politician in
California to something mean about India. I go, oh, why
should I give a fuck. I'm not from India, Okay,
fuck off, that's your problem. It's one of those where
like they try to claim you right because your parents
happen to be from somewhere. I mean, look, if it's interesting,
(11:21):
you know from an American perspective, yeah, maybe I'll pay attention.
But they're like, oh, this is very Sometimes they even
try and drag me into like cast fights.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They're like, did you see what so and so.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Said about I go, yo, we live in America. We
don't have casts here. Okay, by the way, according to
your own laws, you're not supposed to have them either.
I don't care and so, but they they're literally trying
to cling to that. I mean, The most defensive one
was the guy that clearly I'm presuming who grew up
in America is he was like, you can't succeed here,
don't make a pit stop in Miami. It's like, that's
(11:51):
like an anti Semitic conspiracy, is that you can never
truly be American. Right, Yeah, that's what he's saying. He's
literally saying that. That's literally the shit the Neoots say.
They're like, yeah, they're always loyal to Israel. I'm like, dude,
I mean, you know you can't just say stuff like
this out in the art. I guess you can, but
you know it's going to come with blowbacks. So it's
just I don't know for me, Like, at the very
(12:13):
same time, this Randy finds on TV's like every Somali
should be deported, and all of the time, like, dude, you're
exactly the same, Like you're actually you're actually Look, I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I don't know a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I've read the New York Times story, obviously bad and
all that for the whole Somalian thing, but you're like
you are the mirror image of what you're critiquing. You're
like saying, you came to our country. You're literally using
your citizenship and your power in order to try and
exercise our government on behalf of a foreign power. Like
that's as clear cut as it gets, yah, in terms
(12:43):
of treason, conspiracy, tribal whatever. And I don't believe that
about all Jews obviously. I don't think anybody should believe that,
because I don't think it's true.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Were saying themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
There, Yeah, clearly they're very upset that it's not true.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, you know, I mean they're you know, and they
want it to be true, which is crazy, Like it's
that's the part which drives me right.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you know, one of the people who I think
has been a thoughtful writer and thinker on the increasing
divide in the Jewish community around sentiment around Israel is
Peter Binert, who's talking about how, oh absolutely they had
no doubt about it. But you know, he he really
took a major risk, like personal political risks when he
(13:23):
came out a while ago and said, you know what,
this two state stuff, this is bullshit, Like it's got
a bit like we're past that they've annexed so much
of the territory. There is no realistic solution that's not
a one state with equal rights and that's what we
should be getting behind. And you know, he's been I
think a very courageous voice in a lot of ways
on this issue. But you know, he really amplifies how
(13:44):
support for Israel was just sort of taken as this
article of faith in the you know, in the broader
Jewish community, and you know, you grow up learning about
it and thinking about it. It's very tied into all
of your religious school and you know, it's just taken
for granted, and this gen side has broken that and
you're not putting it back together. You know, the majority
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of young Jews see this very differently. They're disgusted to
be you know, it's like not in my name. They're
disgusted that they would be implicated in what this state
is doing. So you have the double insult of not
only are my taxpayer dollars here's an American going to that,
but now you're wanting to make me complicit in these
crimes and say that this is somehow being done on
(14:26):
my behalf, Like no, absolutely not. So there is this
you know, major reckoning and split that is happening in
the Jewish community that has been very significant, and so
Zoron's election obviously is incredibly emblematic of that because here
he is now mayor elect of the most Jewish city
in America, one of the most Jewish cities in the
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entire world, and as an avowid, anti Zionist. That is
an earth chattering event. It also completely reshapes our politics
because it changes what you know, most of these politists
thing called political calculation. It changes what they understand the
political landscape to be, which is also why it's so consequential.
But yeah, I fully support them doing these conferences on camera,
(15:11):
put it on Twitter. Just keep talking, guys, keep telling
us all your thoughts about this, because it is very
educational to hear from you about the way that you
are seeing the world. And wanted to get into a
couple of very significant news pieces as well, just as
a reminder of the genocide is not over. The ceasefire,
(15:33):
you know, continues to be broken by Israel, and we
now have new shenanigans which are being played here and
can put this up on the screen. Israel is saying
they're going to so they agreed in the ceasefire deal,
they're going to open this crossing, the Rafa crossing at
the border with Gaza in Egypt. That was one of
the provisions of the seasfire deal. Now Israel is saying, well,
(15:53):
we're going to reopen it, but only to allow people
to leave. So obviously Israel their longtime goal led by
Natan Yahoo. But this is you know, pretty society wide,
is how many Palestinians can we get out of this
area because they are so fixated on their quote unquote
demographic problem, and so the more Palestinians that are there,
(16:14):
the more of a risk they are to being you know,
Palestinians if you look at all of Israel and Palestine
and the majority of the population. So they want people
to be forced to leave and to put pressure on them,
make life so miserable that they want to leave and
not allow them back in. And what Israel is claiming
is they're saying, oh, well, you didn't give us all
the bodies of the dead hostages. Of course, this was
(16:36):
also contemplated in that ceasefire jail, that this would be
very difficult. Why because many are buried and you know,
many people are buried under the rubble. Israel's made it
very difficult to even bring in the earth moving equipment
that would be acquired, et cetera. So in any case,
they're using this as an excuse to keep that border
for re entry closed. Egypt is objecting to this, so
(16:56):
this is an unsettled we'll see what happens with all
of them. And then I also wanted to put up
on the screen this reporting which confirms what we you know,
very which there was already some reporting to this effect.
But you know, it's always significant when the mainstream media
catches on to things that we've been talking about for
a while. Here, this was an in depth report about
the way that Israel killed murdered aid seekers and then
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would just bulldoze over their bodies and leave them in
these mass, shallow, unmarked graves. So this was an important
piece of reporting here from CNN. They used eyewitness testimony,
they used on the ground video, and they used satellite
imagery to see And you know, I was talking earlier
about the death toll, like these people who were murdered
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seeking aid and then had their bodies just left there
and bulldozed over, they're not counted in the official death toll,
you know, officially, they're still just they're still missing, and
many of them, their families are still holding onto hope
that they exist some where, maybe they were detained by Israel,
maybe they're in some prison camp, maybe they're in some
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other part of Gaza that we can't get to and
communications are very limited. Like they're still holding on to hope.
And the reality is because of this indiscriminate killing, and
this was all around, by the way, GHF sites is
where this mass laughter was occurring by and large, and
where CNN focused their investigation. But just the most grisly
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details imaginable here. And I also want to say some
of the reporting comes directly from IDF soldiers who are
turned whistleblowers and have been you know, in contact with
this Israeli nonprofit organization that serves as a sort of
nexus for IDF soldiers who can come forward and you know,
report on these war crimes that occurred. But they said,
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you know, there was no process or procedure for dealing
with the dead. We just buldozed them over and left
them there and kept going.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So just so disgusting, And there's still no real media
in there, that's right, remember that. And I've said that
before I go when someday, eventually, I don't know, maybe
a year, two years, somebody's actually going to go in there,
like tens of thousands of people and who even knows?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And then Hillary Clinton has the call to say the
problem is to TikTok. Yeah, unreal, unreal.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Let's get to CNN, shall we? Turning now to CNN
and genuinely, what is one of the grimmest developments and
news that I have ever seen? Something literally the stuff
of my nightmares. They have announced a partnership with Calshie,
a prediction market much like polymarket, where they will be
(19:34):
officially collaborating together to promote Calshi betting odds and others
in CNN and or incorporate it into their live coverage.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Just to give you a taste of Calshi what is it?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Here is their co founder, Tarek muns Or talking about
his vision for the betting platform.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You've mentioned multiple times that you think prediction markets will
be bigger than the stock market.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Is what is it going to take to become a
trillion dollar asset class.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It's pretty much already like a close to one hundred
billion a year of asset class, right Like, it's pretty
easy to imagine imagine a TENAX from here, like we
haven't even started, it's been a year. I think a
very large number of people care, much larger than traditional markets.
And I think retail as a pie has just been
growing in the US, and I think it's going to
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keep growing. It's growing in the stock market, it's going
outside of stock market. The long term vision is to
financialize everything and create a tradable asset out of any
difference in opinion. And I think if you do build
a general purpose exchange that can resolve differences of opinions
on anything, like the TAM is quite massive, quite a
bit bigger than the current time of the stock market.
I think putting inside sort of the retail trading and
the institutional trading product, like there's sort of this this
(20:43):
separate product which is like we are living in a
world where like we we have an abundance of information,
but there's a lot of noise, and like we don't
really understand what's real from what's not. And prediction markets
are an antidote to that. They do very very good
job at distilling information and surfacing truth to people. And
you're seeing the sort of massive shift where like people
are using them whenever they think about questions about the future,
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you know, whenever they're debating about anything. And I think
that trajectory is going to keep going. That's a new
consumer habit that I don't think is going.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
To be on that if you miss that in the
middle of tam By the way, it's total addressable market
for those of you who don't speak bullshit, but Calshi,
if you miss this quote. The long term vision is
to financialize everything and create a tradable asset out of
any difference in opinion. So that means anytime we disagree,
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anything may happen that that can turn into a commercially
tradable asset that anybody across the world can just simply
place minor bets on. Now, I could just never imagine
a world where this might corrupt said news influence or
influence outcomes or not highly regulated or you know, I
mean this idea where you want to turn literally everything
(21:52):
from sports to entertainment to news to I mean, I
mean he literally said everything.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
We're going to get to this later.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
In sixty minutes, you have amateur betters out there trading
on whether Taylor Swift is going to be pregnant in
the year twenty twenty and he goes, oh this better.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
He's like, oh, that would never happen. He's like, I've
analyzed her character. That's sick.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Okay, it's sick that that is even I'm not talking
about defending her integrity or whatever. It's like, people should
not be betting on that period. Okay, that is the
total violation of the social contract.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We already know what this looks like because of sports. Yes,
I mean we know what it looks like. It is
deeply compromised. The integrity of sports and not the sport.
Is everyone perfect, blah blah blah. But now it's like, okay,
who's on the take? Right? Which is it? The referees,
what players on the take? You know, these individual one
off thats they came out, they're going to you know,
they're going to make this many points or this many
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free throws or this many rebounds or whatever like those
are so easy to rig, which is why players increasingly
are getting caught up in these scandals where lo and behold,
they are on the take and it is corrupt, and
so your whole sense of what is going on in
the sport it's completely undermined. Where no longer do you
feel like, oh, you know, there's some cheating around them
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occasionally around the margin, but by and large it's a
contest of merit and what I'm seeing is real. No,
increasingly your senses, this is more like WWE. This is
more like fake and rigged, and everybody's in on it,
and if you're not in on it, you're a sucker
or you have a situation. You can see this with
news as well. How this you could see very easily
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how this would happen. You know, you could bet on
what colored dildo is going to get thrown at a
WNBA game. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
out that. Someone could, you know, bet on it being
a purple dildo and then throw it well in the
l show of the game with the purple dildo, and
throw the freaking dildo. I mean, it's just so disgusting.
And then broadening out here even further, I thought Arnault,
(23:47):
who's very thoughtful and insightful on these things, had a
great post thinking about the bigger meta implications here. He says,
I cannot think of a single way in which this
makes society better. You're now going to have people financial
on top of emotionally invested in their opinions, which can
only create further polarization. Societies need consensus. Hard to see
(24:08):
how you help achieve this when compromises become financial losses.
So if I'm betting on my opinion, now not only
am I like emotionally like I want to be right,
but now I also have money writing on whether or
not this is correct or not. You can see how
this would spin out of control. He goes on to say, Also,
it literally disincentivizes truth seeking. Markets work based on anticipating
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what others will believe, not on discovering what is actually true.
It's the memes stock phenomenon. Those stocks don't rise because
the company is valuable, They rise because enough people believe
others will keep buying. You'll have the same thing with opinions.
People are rewarded not for being correct, but for anticipating
what others will believe, and incentivized literally financially incentivized to
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manipulate narratives so that their bets pay off. Truth becomes
not only irrelevant, but in many cases will be act
sively fought against because it becomes a direct financial threat.
Like if this is not the end en and and
end stage of capitalism. I don't know what is. It
is so incredibly dystopian. We have got to revolt against
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this complete financialization and the absolute takeover of every aspect
of our lives by these bottom feeding financial these you know, gambling.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
These guys are billionaires.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's just saying billion And not only do you have
the first level of like okay, people placing bets, you
also have an increasing ecosystem being funded of startups around
this that will then take those bets and bundle them
and package them as securities and you can borrow against them.
And the whole disgusting ecosystem of our like casino capitalism
(25:50):
that we have is also built being built up to
create these bets into separate markets that can be traded.
Secondarily as well, just you know, putting this whole thing
like absolute predation on the people who are at the bottom,
and putting this throughout our entire economy at every level.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, let's put C two or sorry F two up
on the screen. This is about CNN and their data partnership. Basically,
what they're saying is they'll only use Calshi data and
they'll be the exclusive prediction data. And I have been
thinking about this in the context that we're on coverage
because it's tough, right, it is newsworthy to cover the
polymarket odds on a race. We've had a decent track
record in twenty twenty four. But to me, there is
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just something fundamentally different about either money exchanging hands, like
in the way of a sponsorship, like with ESPN right
when they had ESPN Bet, they actively were making money
from sports betting and then covering sports. There has to
be a literal firewall or here in this case they
say that there's no.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Money exchanging hands.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But more importantly, it's like an actual endorsement, so you
and I talking. It's just different to me and maybe semantics,
but it is fundamentally different saying look, we don't take
money from these people.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
We don't want any money from these people.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I think these are degenerate, They're bad, and I would
ban them if they could while they exist.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I will talk about it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
But that's not the same as a flat out endorsement
and saying that this is an official thing that will
be incorporated. And again the ability for manipulation and for
insider trading and just like for the show people, what
how easily this can all happen? Can we put to
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F six on the screen? I checked, this is a
real market, by the way, that happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
F six.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What will Anderson Cooper say during his show? Anderson Cooper
is a CNN host, so you have people who are
live betting what the individual words that he might say,
this was an eighty thousand dollars market with huge odds
one percent, right, I mean the payout on that is massive. Well,
if you're a producer at CNN, a low level producer,
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there's probably I don't know how many, say fifty people
work on the Anderson Cooper show sounds roughly right. And
you're a guy pulling in thirty three thousand. He might
be the sound guy. You might literally just be a contractor.
But you're happen to be in the editorial meeting. Just
power it up, hit something like this because you know
it's coming. Get a nice sixty six to one payout.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Is that technically fraud? I don't know. I mean, is
there any governing authority over that?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
If you can do this all the Trump administration certainly
doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But not even that Crystal.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
If this is all in crypto, then you don't even know, right.
If this is not even in the US dollar market,
then nobody knows anything.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And look, does that really matter? Not really.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But let's make that bigger pardon power. Let's say you're
a lawyer and you happen to bet on a pardon market.
I mean, think about it, Taylor Swift. People are gambling
on whether she's gonna get pregnant. Honestly, if I were her,
if you're what's the trying to conceive, I would bet
it and then I'd go, do it, just go. I mean, look,
that's sick, it's crazy. And this is I've been trying
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to warn about this with sports. Everybody say, used to
approved sposh spitting been around forever, Sager. No, prop bets
like this have never been around, and actually, especially at
a widespread market. Why do you know how many of
my friends know the over under on fucking aj Brown's
number of yards in the next game. This is not
a thing, all right, This never existed. And this is
that that's like one minor one or oh the defense
(29:20):
to score a touchdown. Now, imagine that every asset facett
of our lives. What you and I are going to
do our next monologue on or the topic. And that's
just you were me CNN Trump the words out of
his mouth. The Federal Reserve, they're doing already, derivative contracts
in futures, contracts in cryptocurrencies, in various different ones. Who
the next Pope is going to be? Who the next
James Bond is going to be? I mean, same thing
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on the James Bond question. If you are a executive
at I forget the estate of who owns the James Bond?
The Fleming right. If you're a Fleming person and you
have influence over there, what you know you could easily
be doing that is this technically corruption again, I mean
to what extent. But the point is not even about regulation.
The point is this is this financialization betting. We had
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long standing taboos on this for a reason. We understood
that betting and gambling is the most literally one of
the most degenerate and horrible activities that you can be into.
It has one of the highest suicide rates of any addiction.
And when it consumes people, people think I'm approved.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's because I see the results.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean seriously, and this is why I'm not even
saying it should be totally illegal, regulated to the casino.
I really believe people should be required to go to
a casino. When you see somebody with fucking emphysema, smoking cigarettes,
sitting there blowing their life savings away on a slot machine,
you're gonna go, Yo, this shit is evil and you
need to see that stuff, like for your own eyes
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behind a screen and all that you don't it doesn't
seep into you like you need to see the type
of people who you were around. And I've seen people
break down and cry at casinos, like cry tears, slam.
You know how many people commit suicides in Las Vegas.
They literally cover them up. It's the reason why you
should see that is because you need to understand the
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socialization of what it means for this shit to be legal.
But whenever it's all behind the screen, you can be
sitting there and just gamble your life savings away. And
I've covered those stories. You remember for my monologue about
that guy he literally never placed a bet in twenty
twenty one, gambled away millions of dollars gamba his children's
christening funds like it's sick.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And and of course.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
DraftKings allegedly violated their own internal policy.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
According to their lawsuit, they deny all wrongdoing.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
But this could happen at the highest level across all society.
And that's why the CNN for me, I mean, according
to them, the most trusted name in news. No, ridiculous,
But the point is is like this is a major
fucking brand and also turning the news I've watched this
happen with sports is so many people only pay for
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sports media now for gambling stuff. They the reason that
the Adam Schefters and all these other people have so
many followers, they make so much money, especially now these days,
is because they're the first to report injuries or insight.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Well, what do you think is going to affect the
Vegas odds? Right? If so and so is injured, that
means the line can move.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And that's why these people all pay attention, even NFL
Sunday ticket like the ability to watch all the games.
The only reason that people are paying so much, like
their subscriptions of massive gone, you know why, because people
are gambling on more games. Don't give a shit about
the Los Angeles Rams or the Titans. If they live
in Philadelphia, They're betting like that's what it's all about.
So that's what the news would turn into. I mean,
(32:36):
I guess maybe it'd be good for us, right, but
I'm speaking purely of societal interests. Is that I don't
want people to want to be more informed because they're
gambling on everything.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
If anything, it'll distort all of the outcomes.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So look, long winded rant, but I mean I've been
trying to warn about this and I can see. I
can see it coming from a mile away. It's getting
so much worse. F five please, Just so we all know,
is that the prediction markets Fanatics if you know what
that is.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Fanatics is the fan company.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think Tom Brady and all those people are involved
with it, and Polymarket are set to go live early
this week this F five please are set to go
live as early as this week, with FanDuel later in
the month and DraftKings by January. Fanatics, FanDuel and Draftings
are launching in states where they don't even offer mobile
sports books. So this is also, by the way, a
de facto way to legalize sports betting in the entire nation.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's what this whole thing is about. Soon.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Look, it's all fifty just so everybody understands, like when
I'm rant and rave this sports betting companies are now
bigger than Hollywood. They make more money than the box
office of the entire United States, like theater industry. That
is how big an overnight thing happened. Nobody consented to it.
The Ohio Governor Mike DeWine very recently said that he
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could go back because he signed the bill legalizing sports betting.
He said, if I could go back, I would never
do it. He's like, it was one of the biggest
mistakes that I ever made. And look, I mean, we
have the power if we want to, but you know
how many people are we going to watch people's lives
get destroyed in the interim. We're gonna have millions of
gambling addicts in the next five years, millions and millions
of people. You make this successful to everybody, people are
(34:09):
going to blow tons of money, and yeah, these people
are all just gonna get filthy rich. But the two
people on that stage, they're already billionaires. They're already touting
the woman. They're like, she's the youngest self made woman
billionaire ever more than Oh great, what a fucking accomplishment,
you know, Yeah, thank you for showing that women can
also be you know, fine, it can also become very
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rich by exploiting degenerate impulses.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, now, it's it's overall. It's degrading to society. It's
just it's wrong. I mean, there's no other way to
put it. It's just wrong. It degrades society. It creates
a level of artifice around absolutely everything, it creates increased polarization.
It's disgusting, and the vast majority of people are going
to lose, Like when you bet, you are much more
(34:54):
likely to lose your money and end up much more
in the whole. And guess what, that's more and more
rich is flowing to the top, flowing to those people
that were there on that stage saying they want to
financialize absolutely everything. Very disturbing and I think it's disgusting
Sanna is doing this. I think people should revolt against it.
Don't watch CNN. Let them know what you think.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, it's yeah, there's the answer. I don't watch
any product that's brought to you by these people, or
that you know endorses any of these products.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I mean, it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I right, it's incredibly degrading, we.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Use his clips.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh, we just discovered Jeremy Diamond's report and the you know,
the bulldozing of the corpse, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I mean I don't take it out on these guys personally,
Like I understand the utility of the data while it
is legal, but like that's kind of more of a
meta point is when the executives themselves are like, hey,
let's and then again, look.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
At the sports. Sports is bigger than NFL.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Fifty seven million people watched the Chiefs Cowboys game on Thanksgiving.
It is the most watched regular season NFL game in history.
I am absolutely convinced it's because of gambling. That's telling you,
Like if you go on TikTok and all these other places,
all of the memes are about like trying to hold
it together with my family while my Thanksgiving parlay falls apart,
(36:11):
Like it's it's like part of the culture. At this point,
this is all gonna happen now with the news. I
guarantee you next election, the number of people who are
going to be betting on the next election, it's going
to be crazy, and Robinhood and all these other people,
it's gonna be fully normalized and I mean just think
there's going to be how many if you thought voter fraud,
if you're one of those election for usters from twenty twenty,
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how many people are going to be trying to influence
the events of the votes, especially when it comes down
to the states like in Pennsylvania. Right, I mean, can
you what would you do? For millions of dollars? People
will do a lot of shit. Look at the federal
prison system. So think about it. If you're going to
place a bet, I'm going to bet that jd Vance
is going to lose Arizona. It's like, well, what do
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you think people in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, if you're willing to do to make that out
of it, what are you.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Willing to do if you're a low le Let's say
you are a low level county secretary of state pulling
twenty five g's a year in Yuma, Arizona or someplace
like that.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You're not going to fudge things a little bit? You
know who wouldn't?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So you could you could see exactly how this could
there's so much potential for fraud and whatever. I mean,
I already know it's good. We're we are going to
find out the hardest way possible.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, it's very Unfortunately, it's so many It's like so
many things in our like you know, it's one thing
when you have to go to the casino and there's
like a physical action. Okay, we yes, this is this
is the thing we do. It's not exactly like it's
sort of frowned upon as a side. It's there, you know,
and you can have access to and you're an adult
and okay, you got to go there and do the thing.
And still it was bad for some number of people.
But yes, there was some it was sort of walled
(37:43):
off and now it's just shot throughout our entire lives.
And I feel like that with the technology too, of course,
Like it was one thing when you had the flip
phone and you know, you could text on it and
you could you know, you could have it with you
and coordinating. That was great, right, And then it was
kind of cool when you got your first smartphone. And
now it's just like, you know, it's just take They've
(38:04):
colonized our entire lives. They've colonized our entire brains. You know,
what was good in a small dose is now incredibly
damaging and deleterious. So Anyway, that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
We wanted to give some updates here, uh and probably
we'll cover this more on the Friday Show. But there
are some developments with regard to these boat strikes and
the illegality of them, and some breaking news the Wall
Street Journal with this scoop confirming what we already, of
course very strongly suspected. You remember that top admiral who
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resigned around the time that the boat strikes were starting. Well,
it turns out that this was pretty directly related to
him questioning the legality of the boat strikes overall. And
I'm not just talking about the second the double tap,
I'm talking about the overall programs. So this says he says,
as top admiral to resign after months of discord, I
(39:01):
think that's sort of soft flood pedaling. Actually, the claims
in the article which seemed to indicate it was directly
as a result of his questioning of the legality. Here
it says heg sss move, which has been previously reported,
shed's new light on a brewined controversy over the legality
of the military's campaign. Hegseth has dismissed a number of
high ranking military leaders since taking over the Pentagon. Having
(39:23):
Halsey leave at this particular moment, at the height of
the pennant what the Pentagon considers to be the central
action hemispheres just shocking, says Todd Robinson, who served as
Assistant Secretary for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs until January.
They say, according to two Pentagon officials, heg seth asked
Admin Admiral Alvin Halsey to step down de facto ouster.
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That was the culmination of months of discord began days
after Trump's inauguration, intensified months later when Halsey had initial
concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug
boats in the Caribbean. According to form officials, so already
not on heag sets good side, and then he questions
the legality, and that's when he is asked to leave.
So again confirmation of what we all very much strongly
(40:08):
suspected and consistent with other concerns from whistleblowers about the Yeah,
I mean, this is just like claiming that we're at
war with these drug boats and then that we can,
you know, randomly kill them and there's no authory war
authorisation from Congress. All of this is, you know, it's
it's brazenly illegal, and clearly there were concerns internally, and
(40:29):
if you had those concerns, you were pushed down. Let
me go ahead and put this next piece up on
the screen, which is just a good article from the
Washington Post about the way that they have changed their
responses on all of this from the beginning, and they
just go sort of blow by blow here of what
this administration has said and when so. First, Trump says
(40:50):
military literally shot out a boat from Venezuela. That was
the initial reaction. Then Hegseth says that he watched it live,
which would come to be very significant, you know, about
what he ordered and what he knew about it. A
Pentagon spokesman after the initial reporting from the Washington Post
came out saying that there was a double tap strike
and that Hegseth had given the kill order. Pentagon spokesman
(41:13):
said that quote this entire narrative is completely false, so
seeming to indicate that even the details of it being
a double tap strike was incorrect. Then Trump says Hegseth
told him he did not give a spoken order. Then
Hegseeth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes, according
to White House Press secretary. So they're saying, first Trump
(41:36):
is like, well, I don't think he gave the spoken order.
Then they're saying, okay, well he did, but he authorized
Admiral Bradley then to conduct these lethal kinetic strikes. Then
Hegseth says, I watched that first strike live, but he
didn't stick around for the second strike. So clarification, I
guess on the original claim that he had watched the
whole thing live. And then Trump says, I support the
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decision to knock out whoever is piloting those boats, which
is different from his original reaction, which is that he
did not like the idea that there was a second strike.
So they've been kind of all over the place, and
the overall thrust at this point is to claim, well,
this was totally legal, and here's why. And their claim
(42:17):
now is that, well, the two people who had survived,
one of them was trying to call for help. We
took that as them still being combatants, and that's why
it was legal to do the second strike. But also,
by the way, Hexeth had nothing to do with it
and it was all Admiral Bradley here. Let me put
the next one up on the screen. This is some
(42:38):
new details from the New York Times. This is effectively
what I was just saying, Like their US military's boat
strikes planning takes on new significance. They talk here about
how in advance they had planned contingencies for if there
were survivors, So trying to make this seem like there
was more sort of official decision making as well, and then
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put G four up on the screen. We've got more
Republicans who are concerned and voicing dissent over what was
done here and starting to assert some power and Sagar.
This reminds me. The sort of political reaction here reminds
me of what we were talking about earlier with a
last deaphonic and how she's now decided to go aggressively
(43:21):
after Mike Johnson. She's not going to go after Trump,
but she wants to separate herself from the Republican Party overall,
and so she's chosen as your target. Mike Johnson seems
to me like Pete Hegseth is filling that role for
a number of Republicans as well. There Admiral Bradley is
here on the Hill today taking questions from Congress. They've
(43:41):
launched investigations by partisan investigations in both the House and
the Senate. You've had a number of members. Rand Paul
has been very aggressive talking about how basically they've been lying,
and you know, he's been concerned from the beginning about
the illegality here, and so his rhetoric has been pretty forceful.
But others as well, not just Rand Paul, who is
you know, more principled on these things in general. So,
(44:02):
you know, I think I think heg Seth is genuinely
in a bit of a Emily thinks that they've they
feel like they've sort of nailed it and they're good
and they're in the clear. I don't know that I'm
convinced about that, because he is such an incompetent like
person to begin with and not really loved and has
made all sorts of enemies, and the time period that
(44:22):
he's been there, it seems to me like he could
be a convenience scape goat for these people.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Oh heg Seth, Yeah, I mean I could see that.
But the thing is is that I was talking to
you about this before the show. This whole thing drives
me nuts. Well, you know, trying to litigate the specifics
of naval law about a second strike. Is the whole
point is that this is fucking stupid, striking drug boats
while pardoning the Honduran president who was an narco trafficker. Also,
(44:49):
you remember Joan Grillo who we've had on the show.
I mean, he made this great point, if you are
a Chappito the Sun, you just got a sweetheart deal
because you kidnapped El Mayo and brought a to America.
The Wall Street Journal just did this long story about
all of these narco traffickers who were cutting deals with
I'm talking about real narco trafficks, guys on some fucking boats,
guys who.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Are poor fisherman who's also, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
This is another thing driving you crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Not just a cocaine fentanyl like the Mexican drug cartels
who are ninety percent of the fentanyl to enter the
United States. Are the people who put it in the
cocaine and then bringing here to stretch their own profits.
We're cutting deals with those guys, like very good deals.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
So what's what's the those deals we did, right, but Kelly,
so that we could you know, put random innocent Venezuelans
and Seacott. We give Gate handed over some drug traffickers,
gang leaders to him because he didn't want them testifying
about whatever his deals.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I'm not even against I'm not even against doing deals
with you know whatever in order to you know, lock
up more narco traffickers.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I'm not even saying that.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
But I'm saying if you do that at the same
time that you're saying that we need to kill these
guys on boats who again allegedly have cocaine, not even fentanyl,
almost certainly not fentanyl, because especially the ones in the Caribbean,
not fentanol.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Sorry, I can say that, and.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
If you, if you believe that, released the evidence or
prosecute them, I'd be happy to say I'm wrong. I'm
talking about purely your own DEA report which says no fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You guys said that, not me.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Trump's Stone DA April twenty twenty five, I tweeted out
the report.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
You can go read it. It's public if you want to.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
The point that remains around this whole thing is that
Washington seems to be consumed with this whole second strike
on the boat, and it's like, no the strikes are dumb. Now,
in a liberal internationalist framework, you can talk about international
law and all that, if you guys know, not my thing.
I'm just like, why are we mean entertaining this? Like
this is this is a bad idea. Yeah, they just can't.
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And by the way, America agrees with me. There was
this theory that these would be massively popular.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
They're not. Trump is very underwater on the strikes. They're
not buying this bullshit.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Now they're not, and they shouldn't because in your in
your lifetime, have you ever heard about venezuela and fencanyl
before this? Nope, everybody knows where the fentanyl comes from.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
If you're striking Mexico, it actually could be a different story.
But again, the geopolitical implications of that would be so
insane considering our trading relationship. This is an ideological war.
Their pretext is just like WMD. It was never about
WMD at the time, it was about regime change. This time,
fentanyl is irrelevant. It might if it wasn't fencanal, they
would make up some other shit. And it's even oh
(47:22):
my god, even with cocaine. It's like we're talking about
ten percent of the cocaine, So that's instead of ninety percent.
That's not the place that you would go if you
really were concerned about doing something. So my only saving
grace Most Americans think this is total bullshit, but then
in the conduct of the Pentagon, it is so disgraceful
the way that peg Seth has he threw this guy
(47:44):
under the bus.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I mean, I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Feel for the admiral, like it's like, you know, Meg
Seth gives him this order, the southcom commander goes, he's
a sealed team guy, long history of these counter terror missions.
I don't know how closely he looked at the legality
in the mid and now all these guys, I mean,
look for this admiral, like you need to lawyer up.
You're already before Congress, dude, I mean, when the Democrats win,
(48:10):
you're going to be testifying at the very least in private,
in a classified setting, you could be testified publicly.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I don't even they're going to ride have to be
till the demmo because there's already a bipartison investigation both
the House and the Senate. So I think it's coming
before even Democrats take control of anything.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
And then the drone operator, right, I mean, that guy's
gonna have to get a lawyer. Like you know, you're
talking about the individual soldier service members I think, yeah, sorry, Navy,
so individual sailors who are all involved in this. It's like, what,
like what they're put in an impossible position because heg
set is telling them you're gone if you're you know,
you're gone if you disobey orders, literally fired the outcome commander.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I mean, think of what this does within the military,
where I think previously there had just been sort of
an assumption like, oh, if I'm being asked to do
something right exactly, the proper channels whatever, And now not
only are like no, it's not number one, they're inventing
fake secret memo. They're firing or pushing out anybody who disagrees.
And by the way, if there are questions about this
(49:06):
and it becomes hot, they will happily throw your ass
under the bus. So you need to be thinking about
anytime you get an order now you better be consulting
a lawyer, talking to one of these outside organizations and
thinking hard about what is this going to mean for me?
And kind of jeopardy. This puts me in for the future.
That is a very different mentality, you know, than than
is typical in these situations. And to your point about
(49:29):
how just preposterously insultingly stupid all of this is. Take
a listen to Christinoum talking about how Trump is saving
millions of lives with these boat strikes. This is g five.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
You've saved hundreds of millions of lives with a cocaine
you've blown up in the Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I'm sorry, hundreds of millions of lives. Can you tell
me again what the population of America is. She's saved,
He's saved all, literally all, we would all be dead
of mental life overdose if it wasn't for these boats.
I mean, it's so stupid, it's so embarrassing. Pam Bondi
has said similar things previously. Trump says similar things all
the time. Do you know what the impact on drug
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trafficking will be of these boat strikes?
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Zero?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
It will be literally zero. Everyone knows this. Some of
these people, one of the people they murder by the
way their family is like, he was literally just an
innocent finisherman is now like going to court over this.
So yes, on every level, it's disgusting. It's immoral, it's murder,
it's wrong, it's outrageous, and it does literally accomplishes literally
(50:37):
nothing other than helping Marco Rubio in his like undying
quest to you know, to overturn fulfill his father's dream,
to fill his dreams.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
No, his father's dream was to free Cuba. They think
it's like Domino theory. These people are fucking crazy. Like
I he writes about it in his own book. I'm
not making this up. He literally wrote it in his
book that that was one of his father's wishes. Okay,
you can go read it for yourself if you want to.
Uh I yeah, I mean, look, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
I said this on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
I was like, look, I can forgive people who fell
for WM, not forgive. I can understand people who fell
for WMD in the wake of nine to eleven. It
was scary mainstream media, but man, like literally we had
we've just been attacked.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
You know. I mean it was more I didn't fall for.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Right, Yeah, more understand. I can understand, not forgive. I
can understand how a lot of people fell for that.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
But Venezuela in fentanol.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
You're you're an idiot, You're an imbecile and uh yeah,
that's it makes me question like faith in democracy at all.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
That's going to be a real thing. So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
I hope that people are at least paying attention and
are listening. And actually, my greatest hope would be an
ignition of a real anti war movement that used to
exist in the Iraq days, because what the Blob has
long found out is that as long as not that
many Americans die, most people will just tolerate stuff. But
I do think Israel actually ignited a big anti war
(52:04):
sentiment in a lot of people, even though we weren't
the ones directly involved.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
We were funding it.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
But if we start to, you know, some sort of
Libya type campaign again, yes, even if hundreds of Americans
don't die, and it's only special operators and only special
operators in CIA, and only air Force drones and all that,
it's like the point should be, we should not be
involved on this under false pretenses. It's ridiculous, it's counter
to our own interests. So I do hope that it
(52:30):
becomes I don't know, I hope it ignites some sort
of public consciousness, because that's something that we really lost
from the two thousands.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know, the anti war right was.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Real thing, the American Conservative, the Pat Buchanan, you know,
riding and railing against the Iraq War.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
The anti war left was huge.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I mean, it was a potent force, and it really
died sometime around twenty sixteen, which is really I mean,
it's tragic. And Trump obviously hijacked it for his own
purposes and betrayed it simultaneously. So I do want it
to come back.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
I really you last thing I want to give. Glenn
Greenwald made a point here that I think is worth
reading out as our last item. Here, he says there's
been valid attention paid to how many Americans, indoctrinated from
birth to love Israel, want the US to serve Israel.
There are also people from Latin America or it's immigrant
communities who want the US military used to change that
region's governments that they dislike. I grew up in South Florida.
(53:17):
Many Cubans did not learn English despite being given US citizenship,
because they believed it was the US government's duty to
remove Castro then Javas so they could go back. Both
Rubio and Congresswoman Salazar, whose comments we've played here before,
come from that, Milia, and I think that is an
important thing to keep in mind is that these people
who have very powerful government positions. Marko Rubio is one
(53:38):
of the most powerful actors in our government right now,
deeply ideological and committed to this ideological goal that has
nothing to do with benefiting America overall. And so there
is a commonality between the you know how perplexed we
all are and disgusted with the commitment to Israel over
and above. You know, what's good for the world, certainly
(54:00):
not what's good for Palestinis, let alone what's good for America,
and the ideological direction and content of the boat bombings
and the potential regime change in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, all right, thank you guys so much for watching.
I appreciate it. Friday Show tomorrow, we'll see you all
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Let's get to Israel. I know Ryan and I only
covered this, but we wanted to. I think it's worth
playing twice.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hillary Clinton at this event for Israel Hayom. It's Israel's
most red newspaper. Run them reading from prem talker here
run by Israeli American billionaire and Trump downer Miriam Maddison,
joined by John Fetterman, Eric Adams, Trump you went, Ambassador
Mike Woltz, Biden official, Amos Hawkstein, and various really official
So quite a lineup at this event, and she had
some very noteworthy things to say about what she thinks
(01:01):
is going on and why, you know, why people's views
on Israel have changed. Let's take a listen to that.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
That our students, smart, well educated young people from our
own country, from around the world, where were they getting
their information. They were getting their information from social media,
particularly TikTok. That is where they were learning about what
happened in October seventh, what happened in the you know, days,
(01:29):
weeks and months to follow.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
That's a serious problem.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
It's a serious problem for democracy, whether it's Israel or
the United States, and it's a serious problem for our
young people. And it was frankly shocking to me how
little the students we were encountering, not only in this
class we teach, which is a very large class international
relations about crisis decision making, but students more generally. And
(01:56):
that's why I mentioned the social media piece of it,
because when you would try to talk to them to
engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very
difficult because they did not know history, they had very
little context, and what they were being told on social
media was not just one sided, it was pure propaganda.
(02:19):
And so when you think about how to tell Israel's story,
and it's important. It's not just looking internally, it's looking externally,
and particularly looking at young people, because you know, it's
not just.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
The usual suspects.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
It is a lot of young Jewish Americans who don't
know the history and don't understand.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Eric.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I was talking to Condi Rice, and you know, she
said in an interview that I did after the twenty
point plan came out. She and I were on CBS
and she said, you know, when people were chanting from
the river to the sea, would ask the students what river?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
What see?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
They didn't know. I had the same experience. A lot
of the challenge is with younger people. More than fifty
percent of young people in America get their news from
social media, so just pause on that for a second.
They are seeing short form videos, some of them totally
(03:26):
made up.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
In case you had any doubt about why they had
to take over TikTok and make it much more censorious,
this is why. But just imagine thinking that the problem
here for Israel isn't the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands.
I mean, we have to be real about the actual
deathol here of Palestinians. And seeing in your feed every
(03:51):
day the worst atrocities you could possibly imagine, starving an
entire population, turning all of the Gaza Strip into rubble,
attacking hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, everything you can think of. No,
that's not the problem. They just don't understand the history, Sager.
(04:12):
They just don't get it. And I mean, this is
this is like the peak liberal Zionist view that worked
for so long to keep people shut up, which was, yes,
it looks bad, but you you know, there's lots of conflict,
it's complicated. You know, you just don't understand, like do
you know what happened in this summit or that summer?
Do you understand the details of when Clinton was negotiating that?
(04:33):
You just don't understand enough. And this has been so
horrific that people looked at this and said, you know what,
I don't need to understand every little nuance in detail
to know that this is wrong, To know that it
is disgusting that my tax dollars are going to fund this,
that my government is going to support this, that Democrats
(04:56):
like Joe Biden are running cover for it and have
embraced Yahoo and are letting him do whatever he wants.
It did not take an understanding of history to know
that this was wrong. But guess what, also, many many
young people have actually become quite educated about this conflict
and what led up to it. And let me tell you,
(05:18):
the more they learn, the worst the Israeli side looks.
That's the bottom line. And it is so wild to
me that people like her still truly believe that the
real problem here is a failure of Israeli propaganda and
the quote unquote propaganda that young people are getting on TikTok,
(05:39):
and not the reality of the genocide that Israel has
actually been committing.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I just think it's pretty so. I mean, I think
that argument worked because there was kind of something too it.
I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of injustice and
all that, but like this mass slaughter live had not happened, correct,
And I would say they're most like barbaric actions fully
had not taken over. And you know, even in times
of their society, most of the like truly heinous rhetoric.
(06:05):
They would say it in Hebrew. It wasn't as publicized,
it also wasn't as powerful and didn't enact into actual
government policy. But when the gen Benevir's and the smoke
trishes of the world and the West Bank all combines
with Goza. People are like, yeah, I'm done learning about
Camp David or anything and thinking that there's some problem here, right, Like,
at the end of the day, we're funding this, we're
propping it up, and it's also causing us all kinds
(06:27):
of problems, like not even in terms of domestic but
we're spending billions of billions of dollars and our own
domestic politics are revolving around this, and our government is
actively you know, deporting people who are against it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We're like, whoa, whoa. Right, It's like, that's what takes
it to a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And that's where look, I mean, I'll just say thank
god she lost, Okay, I mean, this woman from every
time that we put her back on the screen, it's
been almost ten years. She was horrible, like truly and
that mindset, by the way, it's still pretty prevalent in
permanent Washington today. Like in the elite Democratic Party circles,
you're not that far off.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Maybe the voters may be different.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But we also wanted to give voice to some of
the other people at this conference. By the way, why
is it even important to play this conference. It's like,
not only is it the large newspaper, but this is
Miriam Adelson, who is the one of the biggest donors
to Donald Trump and one of the most powerful mega
donors in the Republican Party. Who, by the way, according
(07:27):
to Donald Trump, at one point he asked whether she
loves Israel or America more end quote. She didn't answer,
and he suspected that it was Israel, according.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
To him, not me.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So just to clear all that up, so let's take
a listen. Our producers have put together a mash up
from the conference.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It would be as clear as I can be. When
someone chance from the river to the sea, they are
calling for the elimination of the Jewish state. When people
have no right to safety, no right to sovereignty, no
way to exist. History tells us exactly what happens.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Just to pick up on that, well, I'll tell everybody
is skip Miami.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
If you're leaving New York, just comes straight to Israel.
There's no reason to make a stop in Florida before
you need to come.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And you can decide you can stay here in New
York in a declining Empire, or you can come to Israel,
which is part of the rising middle of the world,
which is moving south and east.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That's what I encourage you to do.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
We are I did it due to our enemies here,
what Israel did to its enemies there, and on that
the Isic is focused. The challenge for us here is
to leverage Israel's successes into our successes. Israel's weakness is
ours and Israel's strength is ours. Our job in the
diaspora is to leverage those wins and win here.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Forty of New York Jews voted from Mamdani. Large parts
of our community have lost their I'll just say it,
tribal instinct, their Jewish solidary instinct in a way that
allowed them to vote for us, open enemy of Israel.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
In my opinion, the Jews with.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Honor to have you hear on the stage on behalf
of myself, on the entire team of Israelaoh, it's great
honor again to have you here.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think if I speak for many of us here,
if doctor Adelson reaches out, then we figure out a way.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
To get here. Great she reaches out. Just got to
figure out how to get here.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I mean, every one of those clips is like a
conspiracy theory come true for.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Real, though, I need them to keep having these conferences
and keep talking, just keep telling us exactly what you think.
The problem is. They've lost their tribal instinct. Is it
not a positive thing that they evaluate? Like, Okay, I'm
voting for mayor of New York and let me evaluate
(10:02):
the various candidates on how it's going to affect my
life here. And oh, by the way, as an added bonus,
this guy actually supports equal rights for everyone. That seems
like something I might be on board with, Like losing
the tribal instinct is a positive. And then the guy
who was like, we need to do to our enemies
here what we did to them in Gaza, Like you're
you're threatening us with genocide now, Like that's that's where
(10:23):
we're at, like openly on this conference to applause. It's
backed by one of Trump's largest donors.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That is wild.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, let's take the tribal thing right, Like, what's the
whole critique around this whole Somali fraud story in Minnesota
that Ryan and Emily covered yesterday. It's like, oh, well,
they're barbaric ethnic tribal and they defraud.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You're like, say that again. What So they're.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Acting tribally and leaving they refuse to leave behind the
values of the old world. And you're like, well, well,
the problem here in America is that people are acting
more like individuals.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, that stuff really offends me.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Also, because I get this sometimes from the Indian diaspora,
particularly people in India. They're like, saker's some politician in
California to something mean about India. I go, oh, why
should I give a fuck. I'm not from India, Okay,
fuck off, that's your problem. It's one of those where
like they try to claim you right because your parents
happen to be from somewhere. I mean, look, if it's interesting,
(11:21):
you know from an American perspective, yeah, maybe I'll pay attention.
But they're like, oh, this is very Sometimes they even
try and drag me into like cast fights.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They're like, did you see what so and so.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Said about I go, yo, we live in America. We
don't have casts here. Okay, by the way, according to
your own laws, you're not supposed to have them either.
I don't care and so, but they they're literally trying
to cling to that. I mean, The most defensive one
was the guy that clearly I'm presuming who grew up
in America is he was like, you can't succeed here,
don't make a pit stop in Miami. It's like, that's
(11:51):
like an anti Semitic conspiracy, is that you can never
truly be American. Right, Yeah, that's what he's saying. He's
literally saying that. That's literally the shit the Neoots say.
They're like, yeah, they're always loyal to Israel. I'm like, dude,
I mean, you know you can't just say stuff like
this out in the art. I guess you can, but
you know it's going to come with blowbacks. So it's
just I don't know for me, Like, at the very
(12:13):
same time, this Randy finds on TV's like every Somali
should be deported, and all of the time, like, dude, you're
exactly the same, Like you're actually you're actually Look, I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I don't know a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I've read the New York Times story, obviously bad and
all that for the whole Somalian thing, but you're like
you are the mirror image of what you're critiquing. You're
like saying, you came to our country. You're literally using
your citizenship and your power in order to try and
exercise our government on behalf of a foreign power. Like
that's as clear cut as it gets, yah, in terms
(12:43):
of treason, conspiracy, tribal whatever. And I don't believe that
about all Jews obviously. I don't think anybody should believe that,
because I don't think it's true.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Were saying themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
There, Yeah, clearly they're very upset that it's not true.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, you know, I mean they're you know, and they
want it to be true, which is crazy, Like it's
that's the part which drives me right.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you know, one of the people who I think
has been a thoughtful writer and thinker on the increasing
divide in the Jewish community around sentiment around Israel is
Peter Binert, who's talking about how, oh absolutely they had
no doubt about it. But you know, he he really
took a major risk, like personal political risks when he
(13:23):
came out a while ago and said, you know what,
this two state stuff, this is bullshit, Like it's got
a bit like we're past that they've annexed so much
of the territory. There is no realistic solution that's not
a one state with equal rights and that's what we
should be getting behind. And you know, he's been I
think a very courageous voice in a lot of ways
on this issue. But you know, he really amplifies how
(13:44):
support for Israel was just sort of taken as this
article of faith in the you know, in the broader
Jewish community, and you know, you grow up learning about
it and thinking about it. It's very tied into all
of your religious school and you know, it's just taken
for granted, and this gen side has broken that and
you're not putting it back together. You know, the majority
(14:06):
of young Jews see this very differently. They're disgusted to
be you know, it's like not in my name. They're
disgusted that they would be implicated in what this state
is doing. So you have the double insult of not
only are my taxpayer dollars here's an American going to that,
but now you're wanting to make me complicit in these
crimes and say that this is somehow being done on
(14:26):
my behalf, Like no, absolutely not. So there is this
you know, major reckoning and split that is happening in
the Jewish community that has been very significant, and so
Zoron's election obviously is incredibly emblematic of that because here
he is now mayor elect of the most Jewish city
in America, one of the most Jewish cities in the
(14:48):
entire world, and as an avowid, anti Zionist. That is
an earth chattering event. It also completely reshapes our politics
because it changes what you know, most of these politists
thing called political calculation. It changes what they understand the
political landscape to be, which is also why it's so consequential.
But yeah, I fully support them doing these conferences on camera,
(15:11):
put it on Twitter. Just keep talking, guys, keep telling
us all your thoughts about this, because it is very
educational to hear from you about the way that you
are seeing the world. And wanted to get into a
couple of very significant news pieces as well, just as
a reminder of the genocide is not over. The ceasefire,
(15:33):
you know, continues to be broken by Israel, and we
now have new shenanigans which are being played here and
can put this up on the screen. Israel is saying
they're going to so they agreed in the ceasefire deal,
they're going to open this crossing, the Rafa crossing at
the border with Gaza in Egypt. That was one of
the provisions of the seasfire deal. Now Israel is saying, well,
(15:53):
we're going to reopen it, but only to allow people
to leave. So obviously Israel their longtime goal led by
Natan Yahoo. But this is you know, pretty society wide,
is how many Palestinians can we get out of this
area because they are so fixated on their quote unquote
demographic problem, and so the more Palestinians that are there,
(16:14):
the more of a risk they are to being you know,
Palestinians if you look at all of Israel and Palestine
and the majority of the population. So they want people
to be forced to leave and to put pressure on them,
make life so miserable that they want to leave and
not allow them back in. And what Israel is claiming
is they're saying, oh, well, you didn't give us all
the bodies of the dead hostages. Of course, this was
(16:36):
also contemplated in that ceasefire jail, that this would be
very difficult. Why because many are buried and you know,
many people are buried under the rubble. Israel's made it
very difficult to even bring in the earth moving equipment
that would be acquired, et cetera. So in any case,
they're using this as an excuse to keep that border
for re entry closed. Egypt is objecting to this, so
(16:56):
this is an unsettled we'll see what happens with all
of them. And then I also wanted to put up
on the screen this reporting which confirms what we you know,
very which there was already some reporting to this effect.
But you know, it's always significant when the mainstream media
catches on to things that we've been talking about for
a while. Here, this was an in depth report about
the way that Israel killed murdered aid seekers and then
(17:20):
would just bulldoze over their bodies and leave them in
these mass, shallow, unmarked graves. So this was an important
piece of reporting here from CNN. They used eyewitness testimony,
they used on the ground video, and they used satellite
imagery to see And you know, I was talking earlier
about the death toll, like these people who were murdered
(17:42):
seeking aid and then had their bodies just left there
and bulldozed over, they're not counted in the official death toll,
you know, officially, they're still just they're still missing, and
many of them, their families are still holding onto hope
that they exist some where, maybe they were detained by Israel,
maybe they're in some prison camp, maybe they're in some
(18:03):
other part of Gaza that we can't get to and
communications are very limited. Like they're still holding on to hope.
And the reality is because of this indiscriminate killing, and
this was all around, by the way, GHF sites is
where this mass laughter was occurring by and large, and
where CNN focused their investigation. But just the most grisly
(18:24):
details imaginable here. And I also want to say some
of the reporting comes directly from IDF soldiers who are
turned whistleblowers and have been you know, in contact with
this Israeli nonprofit organization that serves as a sort of
nexus for IDF soldiers who can come forward and you know,
report on these war crimes that occurred. But they said,
(18:46):
you know, there was no process or procedure for dealing
with the dead. We just buldozed them over and left
them there and kept going.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So just so disgusting, And there's still no real media
in there, that's right, remember that. And I've said that
before I go when someday, eventually, I don't know, maybe
a year, two years, somebody's actually going to go in there,
like tens of thousands of people and who even knows?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And then Hillary Clinton has the call to say the
problem is to TikTok. Yeah, unreal, unreal.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Let's get to CNN, shall we? Turning now to CNN
and genuinely, what is one of the grimmest developments and
news that I have ever seen? Something literally the stuff
of my nightmares. They have announced a partnership with Calshie,
a prediction market much like polymarket, where they will be
(19:34):
officially collaborating together to promote Calshi betting odds and others
in CNN and or incorporate it into their live coverage.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Just to give you a taste of Calshi what is it?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Here is their co founder, Tarek muns Or talking about
his vision for the betting platform.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You've mentioned multiple times that you think prediction markets will
be bigger than the stock market.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Is what is it going to take to become a
trillion dollar asset class.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It's pretty much already like a close to one hundred
billion a year of asset class, right Like, it's pretty
easy to imagine imagine a TENAX from here, like we
haven't even started, it's been a year. I think a
very large number of people care, much larger than traditional markets.
And I think retail as a pie has just been
growing in the US, and I think it's going to
(20:21):
keep growing. It's growing in the stock market, it's going
outside of stock market. The long term vision is to
financialize everything and create a tradable asset out of any
difference in opinion. And I think if you do build
a general purpose exchange that can resolve differences of opinions
on anything, like the TAM is quite massive, quite a
bit bigger than the current time of the stock market.
I think putting inside sort of the retail trading and
the institutional trading product, like there's sort of this this
(20:43):
separate product which is like we are living in a
world where like we we have an abundance of information,
but there's a lot of noise, and like we don't
really understand what's real from what's not. And prediction markets
are an antidote to that. They do very very good
job at distilling information and surfacing truth to people. And
you're seeing the sort of massive shift where like people
are using them whenever they think about questions about the future,
(21:04):
you know, whenever they're debating about anything. And I think
that trajectory is going to keep going. That's a new
consumer habit that I don't think is going.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
To be on that if you miss that in the
middle of tam By the way, it's total addressable market
for those of you who don't speak bullshit, but Calshi,
if you miss this quote. The long term vision is
to financialize everything and create a tradable asset out of
any difference in opinion. So that means anytime we disagree,
(21:30):
anything may happen that that can turn into a commercially
tradable asset that anybody across the world can just simply
place minor bets on. Now, I could just never imagine
a world where this might corrupt said news influence or
influence outcomes or not highly regulated or you know, I
mean this idea where you want to turn literally everything
(21:52):
from sports to entertainment to news to I mean, I
mean he literally said everything.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
We're going to get to this later.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
In sixty minutes, you have amateur betters out there trading
on whether Taylor Swift is going to be pregnant in
the year twenty twenty and he goes, oh this better.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
He's like, oh, that would never happen. He's like, I've
analyzed her character. That's sick.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Okay, it's sick that that is even I'm not talking
about defending her integrity or whatever. It's like, people should
not be betting on that period. Okay, that is the
total violation of the social contract.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We already know what this looks like because of sports. Yes,
I mean we know what it looks like. It is
deeply compromised. The integrity of sports and not the sport.
Is everyone perfect, blah blah blah. But now it's like, okay,
who's on the take? Right? Which is it? The referees,
what players on the take? You know, these individual one
off thats they came out, they're going to you know,
they're going to make this many points or this many
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free throws or this many rebounds or whatever like those
are so easy to rig, which is why players increasingly
are getting caught up in these scandals where lo and behold,
they are on the take and it is corrupt, and
so your whole sense of what is going on in
the sport it's completely undermined. Where no longer do you
feel like, oh, you know, there's some cheating around them
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occasionally around the margin, but by and large it's a
contest of merit and what I'm seeing is real. No,
increasingly your senses, this is more like WWE. This is
more like fake and rigged, and everybody's in on it,
and if you're not in on it, you're a sucker
or you have a situation. You can see this with
news as well. How this you could see very easily
(23:25):
how this would happen. You know, you could bet on
what colored dildo is going to get thrown at a
WNBA game. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
out that. Someone could, you know, bet on it being
a purple dildo and then throw it well in the
l show of the game with the purple dildo, and
throw the freaking dildo. I mean, it's just so disgusting.
And then broadening out here even further, I thought Arnault,
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who's very thoughtful and insightful on these things, had a
great post thinking about the bigger meta implications here. He says,
I cannot think of a single way in which this
makes society better. You're now going to have people financial
on top of emotionally invested in their opinions, which can
only create further polarization. Societies need consensus. Hard to see
(24:08):
how you help achieve this when compromises become financial losses.
So if I'm betting on my opinion, now not only
am I like emotionally like I want to be right,
but now I also have money writing on whether or
not this is correct or not. You can see how
this would spin out of control. He goes on to say, Also,
it literally disincentivizes truth seeking. Markets work based on anticipating
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what others will believe, not on discovering what is actually true.
It's the memes stock phenomenon. Those stocks don't rise because
the company is valuable, They rise because enough people believe
others will keep buying. You'll have the same thing with opinions.
People are rewarded not for being correct, but for anticipating
what others will believe, and incentivized literally financially incentivized to
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manipulate narratives so that their bets pay off. Truth becomes
not only irrelevant, but in many cases will be act
sively fought against because it becomes a direct financial threat.
Like if this is not the end en and and
end stage of capitalism. I don't know what is. It
is so incredibly dystopian. We have got to revolt against
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this complete financialization and the absolute takeover of every aspect
of our lives by these bottom feeding financial these you know, gambling.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
These guys are billionaires.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's just saying billion And not only do you have
the first level of like okay, people placing bets, you
also have an increasing ecosystem being funded of startups around
this that will then take those bets and bundle them
and package them as securities and you can borrow against them.
And the whole disgusting ecosystem of our like casino capitalism
(25:50):
that we have is also built being built up to
create these bets into separate markets that can be traded.
Secondarily as well, just you know, putting this whole thing
like absolute predation on the people who are at the bottom,
and putting this throughout our entire economy at every level.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, let's put C two or sorry F two up
on the screen. This is about CNN and their data partnership. Basically,
what they're saying is they'll only use Calshi data and
they'll be the exclusive prediction data. And I have been
thinking about this in the context that we're on coverage
because it's tough, right, it is newsworthy to cover the
polymarket odds on a race. We've had a decent track
record in twenty twenty four. But to me, there is
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just something fundamentally different about either money exchanging hands, like
in the way of a sponsorship, like with ESPN right
when they had ESPN Bet, they actively were making money
from sports betting and then covering sports. There has to
be a literal firewall or here in this case they
say that there's no.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Money exchanging hands.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But more importantly, it's like an actual endorsement, so you
and I talking. It's just different to me and maybe semantics,
but it is fundamentally different saying look, we don't take
money from these people.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
We don't want any money from these people.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I think these are degenerate, They're bad, and I would
ban them if they could while they exist.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I will talk about it.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
But that's not the same as a flat out endorsement
and saying that this is an official thing that will
be incorporated. And again the ability for manipulation and for
insider trading and just like for the show people, what
how easily this can all happen? Can we put to
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F six on the screen? I checked, this is a
real market, by the way, that happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
F six.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What will Anderson Cooper say during his show? Anderson Cooper
is a CNN host, so you have people who are
live betting what the individual words that he might say,
this was an eighty thousand dollars market with huge odds
one percent, right, I mean the payout on that is massive. Well,
if you're a producer at CNN, a low level producer,
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there's probably I don't know how many, say fifty people
work on the Anderson Cooper show sounds roughly right. And
you're a guy pulling in thirty three thousand. He might
be the sound guy. You might literally just be a contractor.
But you're happen to be in the editorial meeting. Just
power it up, hit something like this because you know
it's coming. Get a nice sixty six to one payout.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Is that technically fraud? I don't know. I mean, is
there any governing authority over that?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
If you can do this all the Trump administration certainly
doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But not even that Crystal.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
If this is all in crypto, then you don't even know, right.
If this is not even in the US dollar market,
then nobody knows anything.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And look, does that really matter? Not really.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But let's make that bigger pardon power. Let's say you're
a lawyer and you happen to bet on a pardon market.
I mean, think about it, Taylor Swift. People are gambling
on whether she's gonna get pregnant. Honestly, if I were her,
if you're what's the trying to conceive, I would bet
it and then I'd go, do it, just go. I mean, look,
that's sick, it's crazy. And this is I've been trying
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to warn about this with sports. Everybody say, used to
approved sposh spitting been around forever, Sager. No, prop bets
like this have never been around, and actually, especially at
a widespread market. Why do you know how many of
my friends know the over under on fucking aj Brown's
number of yards in the next game. This is not
a thing, all right, This never existed. And this is
that that's like one minor one or oh the defense
(29:20):
to score a touchdown. Now, imagine that every asset facett
of our lives. What you and I are going to
do our next monologue on or the topic. And that's
just you were me CNN Trump the words out of
his mouth. The Federal Reserve, they're doing already, derivative contracts
in futures, contracts in cryptocurrencies, in various different ones. Who
the next Pope is going to be? Who the next
James Bond is going to be? I mean, same thing
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on the James Bond question. If you are a executive
at I forget the estate of who owns the James Bond?
The Fleming right. If you're a Fleming person and you
have influence over there, what you know you could easily
be doing that is this technically corruption again, I mean
to what extent. But the point is not even about regulation.
The point is this is this financialization betting. We had
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long standing taboos on this for a reason. We understood
that betting and gambling is the most literally one of
the most degenerate and horrible activities that you can be into.
It has one of the highest suicide rates of any addiction.
And when it consumes people, people think I'm approved.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's because I see the results.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean seriously, and this is why I'm not even
saying it should be totally illegal, regulated to the casino.
I really believe people should be required to go to
a casino. When you see somebody with fucking emphysema, smoking cigarettes,
sitting there blowing their life savings away on a slot machine,
you're gonna go, Yo, this shit is evil and you
need to see that stuff, like for your own eyes
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behind a screen and all that you don't it doesn't
seep into you like you need to see the type
of people who you were around. And I've seen people
break down and cry at casinos, like cry tears, slam.
You know how many people commit suicides in Las Vegas.
They literally cover them up. It's the reason why you
should see that is because you need to understand the
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socialization of what it means for this shit to be legal.
But whenever it's all behind the screen, you can be
sitting there and just gamble your life savings away. And
I've covered those stories. You remember for my monologue about
that guy he literally never placed a bet in twenty
twenty one, gambled away millions of dollars gamba his children's
christening funds like it's sick.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And and of course.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
DraftKings allegedly violated their own internal policy.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
According to their lawsuit, they deny all wrongdoing.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
But this could happen at the highest level across all society.
And that's why the CNN for me, I mean, according
to them, the most trusted name in news. No, ridiculous,
But the point is is like this is a major
fucking brand and also turning the news I've watched this
happen with sports is so many people only pay for
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sports media now for gambling stuff. They the reason that
the Adam Schefters and all these other people have so
many followers, they make so much money, especially now these days,
is because they're the first to report injuries or insight.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Well, what do you think is going to affect the
Vegas odds? Right? If so and so is injured, that
means the line can move.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And that's why these people all pay attention, even NFL
Sunday ticket like the ability to watch all the games.
The only reason that people are paying so much, like
their subscriptions of massive gone, you know why, because people
are gambling on more games. Don't give a shit about
the Los Angeles Rams or the Titans. If they live
in Philadelphia, They're betting like that's what it's all about.
So that's what the news would turn into. I mean,
(32:36):
I guess maybe it'd be good for us, right, but
I'm speaking purely of societal interests. Is that I don't
want people to want to be more informed because they're
gambling on everything.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
If anything, it'll distort all of the outcomes.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So look, long winded rant, but I mean I've been
trying to warn about this and I can see. I
can see it coming from a mile away. It's getting
so much worse. F five please, Just so we all know,
is that the prediction markets Fanatics if you know what
that is.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Fanatics is the fan company.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think Tom Brady and all those people are involved
with it, and Polymarket are set to go live early
this week this F five please are set to go
live as early as this week, with FanDuel later in
the month and DraftKings by January. Fanatics, FanDuel and Draftings
are launching in states where they don't even offer mobile
sports books. So this is also, by the way, a
de facto way to legalize sports betting in the entire nation.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's what this whole thing is about. Soon.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Look, it's all fifty just so everybody understands, like when
I'm rant and rave this sports betting companies are now
bigger than Hollywood. They make more money than the box
office of the entire United States, like theater industry. That
is how big an overnight thing happened. Nobody consented to it.
The Ohio Governor Mike DeWine very recently said that he
(33:48):
could go back because he signed the bill legalizing sports betting.
He said, if I could go back, I would never
do it. He's like, it was one of the biggest
mistakes that I ever made. And look, I mean, we
have the power if we want to, but you know
how many people are we going to watch people's lives
get destroyed in the interim. We're gonna have millions of
gambling addicts in the next five years, millions and millions
of people. You make this successful to everybody, people are
(34:09):
going to blow tons of money, and yeah, these people
are all just gonna get filthy rich. But the two
people on that stage, they're already billionaires. They're already touting
the woman. They're like, she's the youngest self made woman
billionaire ever more than Oh great, what a fucking accomplishment,
you know, Yeah, thank you for showing that women can
also be you know, fine, it can also become very
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rich by exploiting degenerate impulses.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, now, it's it's overall. It's degrading to society. It's
just it's wrong. I mean, there's no other way to
put it. It's just wrong. It degrades society. It creates
a level of artifice around absolutely everything, it creates increased polarization.
It's disgusting, and the vast majority of people are going
to lose, Like when you bet, you are much more
(34:54):
likely to lose your money and end up much more
in the whole. And guess what, that's more and more
rich is flowing to the top, flowing to those people
that were there on that stage saying they want to
financialize absolutely everything. Very disturbing and I think it's disgusting
Sanna is doing this. I think people should revolt against it.
Don't watch CNN. Let them know what you think.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, it's yeah, there's the answer. I don't watch
any product that's brought to you by these people, or
that you know endorses any of these products.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I mean, it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I right, it's incredibly degrading, we.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Use his clips.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh, we just discovered Jeremy Diamond's report and the you know,
the bulldozing of the corpse, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I mean I don't take it out on these guys personally,
Like I understand the utility of the data while it
is legal, but like that's kind of more of a
meta point is when the executives themselves are like, hey,
let's and then again, look.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
At the sports. Sports is bigger than NFL.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Fifty seven million people watched the Chiefs Cowboys game on Thanksgiving.
It is the most watched regular season NFL game in history.
I am absolutely convinced it's because of gambling. That's telling you,
Like if you go on TikTok and all these other places,
all of the memes are about like trying to hold
it together with my family while my Thanksgiving parlay falls apart,
(36:11):
Like it's it's like part of the culture. At this point,
this is all gonna happen now with the news. I
guarantee you next election, the number of people who are
going to be betting on the next election, it's going
to be crazy, and Robinhood and all these other people,
it's gonna be fully normalized and I mean just think
there's going to be how many if you thought voter fraud,
if you're one of those election for usters from twenty twenty,
(36:33):
how many people are going to be trying to influence
the events of the votes, especially when it comes down
to the states like in Pennsylvania. Right, I mean, can
you what would you do? For millions of dollars? People
will do a lot of shit. Look at the federal
prison system. So think about it. If you're going to
place a bet, I'm going to bet that jd Vance
is going to lose Arizona. It's like, well, what do
(36:54):
you think people in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, if you're willing to do to make that out
of it, what are you.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Willing to do if you're a low le Let's say
you are a low level county secretary of state pulling
twenty five g's a year in Yuma, Arizona or someplace
like that.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You're not going to fudge things a little bit? You
know who wouldn't?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So you could you could see exactly how this could
there's so much potential for fraud and whatever. I mean,
I already know it's good. We're we are going to
find out the hardest way possible.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, it's very Unfortunately, it's so many It's like so
many things in our like you know, it's one thing
when you have to go to the casino and there's
like a physical action. Okay, we yes, this is this
is the thing we do. It's not exactly like it's
sort of frowned upon as a side. It's there, you know,
and you can have access to and you're an adult
and okay, you got to go there and do the thing.
And still it was bad for some number of people.
But yes, there was some it was sort of walled
(37:43):
off and now it's just shot throughout our entire lives.
And I feel like that with the technology too, of course,
Like it was one thing when you had the flip
phone and you know, you could text on it and
you could you know, you could have it with you
and coordinating. That was great, right, And then it was
kind of cool when you got your first smartphone. And
now it's just like, you know, it's just take They've
(38:04):
colonized our entire lives. They've colonized our entire brains. You know,
what was good in a small dose is now incredibly
damaging and deleterious. So Anyway, that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
We wanted to give some updates here, uh and probably
we'll cover this more on the Friday Show. But there
are some developments with regard to these boat strikes and
the illegality of them, and some breaking news the Wall
Street Journal with this scoop confirming what we already, of
course very strongly suspected. You remember that top admiral who
(38:40):
resigned around the time that the boat strikes were starting. Well,
it turns out that this was pretty directly related to
him questioning the legality of the boat strikes overall. And
I'm not just talking about the second the double tap,
I'm talking about the overall programs. So this says he says,
as top admiral to resign after months of discord, I
(39:01):
think that's sort of soft flood pedaling. Actually, the claims
in the article which seemed to indicate it was directly
as a result of his questioning of the legality. Here
it says heg sss move, which has been previously reported,
shed's new light on a brewined controversy over the legality
of the military's campaign. Hegseth has dismissed a number of
high ranking military leaders since taking over the Pentagon. Having
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Halsey leave at this particular moment, at the height of
the pennant what the Pentagon considers to be the central
action hemispheres just shocking, says Todd Robinson, who served as
Assistant Secretary for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs until January.
They say, according to two Pentagon officials, heg seth asked
Admin Admiral Alvin Halsey to step down de facto ouster.
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That was the culmination of months of discord began days
after Trump's inauguration, intensified months later when Halsey had initial
concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug
boats in the Caribbean. According to form officials, so already
not on heag sets good side, and then he questions
the legality, and that's when he is asked to leave.
So again confirmation of what we all very much strongly
(40:08):
suspected and consistent with other concerns from whistleblowers about the Yeah,
I mean, this is just like claiming that we're at
war with these drug boats and then that we can,
you know, randomly kill them and there's no authory war
authorisation from Congress. All of this is, you know, it's
it's brazenly illegal, and clearly there were concerns internally, and
(40:29):
if you had those concerns, you were pushed down. Let
me go ahead and put this next piece up on
the screen, which is just a good article from the
Washington Post about the way that they have changed their
responses on all of this from the beginning, and they
just go sort of blow by blow here of what
this administration has said and when so. First, Trump says
(40:50):
military literally shot out a boat from Venezuela. That was
the initial reaction. Then Hegseth says that he watched it live,
which would come to be very significant, you know, about
what he ordered and what he knew about it. A
Pentagon spokesman after the initial reporting from the Washington Post
came out saying that there was a double tap strike
and that Hegseth had given the kill order. Pentagon spokesman
(41:13):
said that quote this entire narrative is completely false, so
seeming to indicate that even the details of it being
a double tap strike was incorrect. Then Trump says Hegseth
told him he did not give a spoken order. Then
Hegseeth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes, according
to White House Press secretary. So they're saying, first Trump
(41:36):
is like, well, I don't think he gave the spoken order.
Then they're saying, okay, well he did, but he authorized
Admiral Bradley then to conduct these lethal kinetic strikes. Then
Hegseth says, I watched that first strike live, but he
didn't stick around for the second strike. So clarification, I
guess on the original claim that he had watched the
whole thing live. And then Trump says, I support the
(41:56):
decision to knock out whoever is piloting those boats, which
is different from his original reaction, which is that he
did not like the idea that there was a second strike.
So they've been kind of all over the place, and
the overall thrust at this point is to claim, well,
this was totally legal, and here's why. And their claim
(42:17):
now is that, well, the two people who had survived,
one of them was trying to call for help. We
took that as them still being combatants, and that's why
it was legal to do the second strike. But also,
by the way, Hexeth had nothing to do with it
and it was all Admiral Bradley here. Let me put
the next one up on the screen. This is some
(42:38):
new details from the New York Times. This is effectively
what I was just saying, Like their US military's boat
strikes planning takes on new significance. They talk here about
how in advance they had planned contingencies for if there
were survivors, So trying to make this seem like there
was more sort of official decision making as well, and then
(42:59):
put G four up on the screen. We've got more
Republicans who are concerned and voicing dissent over what was
done here and starting to assert some power and Sagar.
This reminds me. The sort of political reaction here reminds
me of what we were talking about earlier with a
last deaphonic and how she's now decided to go aggressively
(43:21):
after Mike Johnson. She's not going to go after Trump,
but she wants to separate herself from the Republican Party overall,
and so she's chosen as your target. Mike Johnson seems
to me like Pete Hegseth is filling that role for
a number of Republicans as well. There Admiral Bradley is
here on the Hill today taking questions from Congress. They've
(43:41):
launched investigations by partisan investigations in both the House and
the Senate. You've had a number of members. Rand Paul
has been very aggressive talking about how basically they've been lying,
and you know, he's been concerned from the beginning about
the illegality here, and so his rhetoric has been pretty forceful.
But others as well, not just Rand Paul, who is
you know, more principled on these things in general. So,
(44:02):
you know, I think I think heg Seth is genuinely
in a bit of a Emily thinks that they've they
feel like they've sort of nailed it and they're good
and they're in the clear. I don't know that I'm
convinced about that, because he is such an incompetent like
person to begin with and not really loved and has
made all sorts of enemies, and the time period that
(44:22):
he's been there, it seems to me like he could
be a convenience scape goat for these people.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Oh heg Seth, Yeah, I mean I could see that.
But the thing is is that I was talking to
you about this before the show. This whole thing drives
me nuts. Well, you know, trying to litigate the specifics
of naval law about a second strike. Is the whole
point is that this is fucking stupid, striking drug boats
while pardoning the Honduran president who was an narco trafficker. Also,
(44:49):
you remember Joan Grillo who we've had on the show.
I mean, he made this great point, if you are
a Chappito the Sun, you just got a sweetheart deal
because you kidnapped El Mayo and brought a to America.
The Wall Street Journal just did this long story about
all of these narco traffickers who were cutting deals with
I'm talking about real narco trafficks, guys on some fucking boats,
guys who.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Are poor fisherman who's also, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
This is another thing driving you crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Not just a cocaine fentanyl like the Mexican drug cartels
who are ninety percent of the fentanyl to enter the
United States. Are the people who put it in the
cocaine and then bringing here to stretch their own profits.
We're cutting deals with those guys, like very good deals.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
So what's what's the those deals we did, right, but Kelly,
so that we could you know, put random innocent Venezuelans
and Seacott. We give Gate handed over some drug traffickers,
gang leaders to him because he didn't want them testifying
about whatever his deals.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I'm not even against I'm not even against doing deals
with you know whatever in order to you know, lock
up more narco traffickers.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I'm not even saying that.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
But I'm saying if you do that at the same
time that you're saying that we need to kill these
guys on boats who again allegedly have cocaine, not even fentanyl,
almost certainly not fentanyl, because especially the ones in the Caribbean,
not fentanol.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Sorry, I can say that, and.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
If you, if you believe that, released the evidence or
prosecute them, I'd be happy to say I'm wrong. I'm
talking about purely your own DEA report which says no fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You guys said that, not me.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Trump's Stone DA April twenty twenty five, I tweeted out
the report.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
You can go read it. It's public if you want to.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
The point that remains around this whole thing is that
Washington seems to be consumed with this whole second strike
on the boat, and it's like, no the strikes are dumb. Now,
in a liberal internationalist framework, you can talk about international
law and all that, if you guys know, not my thing.
I'm just like, why are we mean entertaining this? Like
this is this is a bad idea. Yeah, they just can't.
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And by the way, America agrees with me. There was
this theory that these would be massively popular.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
They're not. Trump is very underwater on the strikes. They're
not buying this bullshit.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Now they're not, and they shouldn't because in your in
your lifetime, have you ever heard about venezuela and fencanyl
before this? Nope, everybody knows where the fentanyl comes from.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
If you're striking Mexico, it actually could be a different story.
But again, the geopolitical implications of that would be so
insane considering our trading relationship. This is an ideological war.
Their pretext is just like WMD. It was never about
WMD at the time, it was about regime change. This time,
fentanyl is irrelevant. It might if it wasn't fencanal, they
would make up some other shit. And it's even oh
(47:22):
my god, even with cocaine. It's like we're talking about
ten percent of the cocaine, So that's instead of ninety percent.
That's not the place that you would go if you
really were concerned about doing something. So my only saving
grace Most Americans think this is total bullshit, but then
in the conduct of the Pentagon, it is so disgraceful
the way that peg Seth has he threw this guy
(47:44):
under the bus.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I mean, I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Feel for the admiral, like it's like, you know, Meg
Seth gives him this order, the southcom commander goes, he's
a sealed team guy, long history of these counter terror missions.
I don't know how closely he looked at the legality
in the mid and now all these guys, I mean,
look for this admiral, like you need to lawyer up.
You're already before Congress, dude, I mean, when the Democrats win,
(48:10):
you're going to be testifying at the very least in private,
in a classified setting, you could be testified publicly.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I don't even they're going to ride have to be
till the demmo because there's already a bipartison investigation both
the House and the Senate. So I think it's coming
before even Democrats take control of anything.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
And then the drone operator, right, I mean, that guy's
gonna have to get a lawyer. Like you know, you're
talking about the individual soldier service members I think, yeah, sorry, Navy,
so individual sailors who are all involved in this. It's like, what,
like what they're put in an impossible position because heg
set is telling them you're gone if you're you know,
you're gone if you disobey orders, literally fired the outcome commander.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I mean, think of what this does within the military,
where I think previously there had just been sort of
an assumption like, oh, if I'm being asked to do
something right exactly, the proper channels whatever, And now not
only are like no, it's not number one, they're inventing
fake secret memo. They're firing or pushing out anybody who disagrees.
And by the way, if there are questions about this
(49:06):
and it becomes hot, they will happily throw your ass
under the bus. So you need to be thinking about
anytime you get an order now you better be consulting
a lawyer, talking to one of these outside organizations and
thinking hard about what is this going to mean for me?
And kind of jeopardy. This puts me in for the future.
That is a very different mentality, you know, than than
is typical in these situations. And to your point about
(49:29):
how just preposterously insultingly stupid all of this is. Take
a listen to Christinoum talking about how Trump is saving
millions of lives with these boat strikes. This is g five.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
You've saved hundreds of millions of lives with a cocaine
you've blown up in the Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I'm sorry, hundreds of millions of lives. Can you tell
me again what the population of America is. She's saved,
He's saved all, literally all, we would all be dead
of mental life overdose if it wasn't for these boats.
I mean, it's so stupid, it's so embarrassing. Pam Bondi
has said similar things previously. Trump says similar things all
the time. Do you know what the impact on drug
(50:10):
trafficking will be of these boat strikes?
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Zero?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
It will be literally zero. Everyone knows this. Some of
these people, one of the people they murder by the
way their family is like, he was literally just an
innocent finisherman is now like going to court over this.
So yes, on every level, it's disgusting. It's immoral, it's murder,
it's wrong, it's outrageous, and it does literally accomplishes literally
(50:37):
nothing other than helping Marco Rubio in his like undying
quest to you know, to overturn fulfill his father's dream,
to fill his dreams.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
No, his father's dream was to free Cuba. They think
it's like Domino theory. These people are fucking crazy. Like
I he writes about it in his own book. I'm
not making this up. He literally wrote it in his
book that that was one of his father's wishes. Okay,
you can go read it for yourself if you want to.
Uh I yeah, I mean, look, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
I said this on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
I was like, look, I can forgive people who fell
for WM, not forgive. I can understand people who fell
for WMD in the wake of nine to eleven. It
was scary mainstream media, but man, like literally we had
we've just been attacked.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
You know. I mean it was more I didn't fall for.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Right, Yeah, more understand. I can understand, not forgive. I
can understand how a lot of people fell for that.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
But Venezuela in fentanol.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
You're you're an idiot, You're an imbecile and uh yeah,
that's it makes me question like faith in democracy at all.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
That's going to be a real thing. So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
I hope that people are at least paying attention and
are listening. And actually, my greatest hope would be an
ignition of a real anti war movement that used to
exist in the Iraq days, because what the Blob has
long found out is that as long as not that
many Americans die, most people will just tolerate stuff. But
I do think Israel actually ignited a big anti war
(52:04):
sentiment in a lot of people, even though we weren't
the ones directly involved.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
We were funding it.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
But if we start to, you know, some sort of
Libya type campaign again, yes, even if hundreds of Americans
don't die, and it's only special operators and only special
operators in CIA, and only air Force drones and all that,
it's like the point should be, we should not be
involved on this under false pretenses. It's ridiculous, it's counter
to our own interests. So I do hope that it
(52:30):
becomes I don't know, I hope it ignites some sort
of public consciousness, because that's something that we really lost
from the two thousands.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know, the anti war right was.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Real thing, the American Conservative, the Pat Buchanan, you know,
riding and railing against the Iraq War.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
The anti war left was huge.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I mean, it was a potent force, and it really
died sometime around twenty sixteen, which is really I mean,
it's tragic. And Trump obviously hijacked it for his own
purposes and betrayed it simultaneously. So I do want it
to come back.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
I really you last thing I want to give. Glenn
Greenwald made a point here that I think is worth
reading out as our last item. Here, he says there's
been valid attention paid to how many Americans, indoctrinated from
birth to love Israel, want the US to serve Israel.
There are also people from Latin America or it's immigrant
communities who want the US military used to change that
region's governments that they dislike. I grew up in South Florida.
(53:17):
Many Cubans did not learn English despite being given US citizenship,
because they believed it was the US government's duty to
remove Castro then Javas so they could go back. Both
Rubio and Congresswoman Salazar, whose comments we've played here before,
come from that, Milia, and I think that is an
important thing to keep in mind is that these people
who have very powerful government positions. Marko Rubio is one
(53:38):
of the most powerful actors in our government right now,
deeply ideological and committed to this ideological goal that has
nothing to do with benefiting America overall. And so there
is a commonality between the you know how perplexed we
all are and disgusted with the commitment to Israel over
and above. You know, what's good for the world, certainly
(54:00):
not what's good for Palestinis, let alone what's good for America,
and the ideological direction and content of the boat bombings
and the potential regime change in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, all right, thank you guys so much for watching.
I appreciate it. Friday Show tomorrow, we'll see you all
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