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Over the weekend, the US began direct negotiations with Iran.
In Ohman, we can put this first element up on
the screen. Interview that Witcoff did with the Wall Street
Journal has a bunch of people angry because he laid
out what the US negotiating position is in these upcoming
talks with Iran, which will now proceed to Rome next,
(00:55):
which we'll talk about in a moment, and effectively, what
he said is that the red line for the US
is weaponization of the nuclear program, and what that means
is that the US would be comfortable with a civilian
nuclear program, which is, you know, effectively the nuclear deal
that Obama and the Europeans in Russia made with Iran
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back in twenty fifteen, the jc POA which Trump subsequently
walked away from. So that has we can put this
next tweet up on the screen. This is this is
from and they scooped this. This is if you're if
you want to follow this closely, this is called homwaj
It's homwatched op media. They have very deep sources kind
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of within the Iranian government. So you obviously you want
to take anything you hear from any government officials with
a grain of salt. But if you're if you want
to know how Iranian sources are receiving their end of
the negotiations, homwag is really good at this. They were
the first that I saw to report that Witkof had
(02:01):
come in with some level of humility and had not
come in demanding, as the Iranians wondered, if he would
the complete dismantlement of the entire not just that r program.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Senior Iranian political sources said that whit cost draft neither
contained explicit threats of a military attack Iran has strongly
rejected any Libya style dismantling of his nuclear program and
has urged Trump to stop his threats.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I mean, this is again obvious.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Let's just remember the history here is that anybody in
the Middle East, anybody in the world, if you have
a nuclear program and America's like, you should give up
that nuclear program, your obvious answer should be no.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Look what you guys did to Gadafi. How you would
be an idiot to give it up.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's the only security that you have. That's why the
relations with the North Koreans continue to stall. We have
this fantasy that once you develop an ICBM capable of
destroying Los Angeles, so you're going to voluntarily give it up,
especially when you're the Kim regime and you still have
total control over the entire country. It's not happening. You're like,
this is the only guarantee of my entire security. Now,
the Iranians obviously aren't there, but to give up the
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infrastructure for their own security and legitimacy, it would be preposterous.
And that's why that's why the pros or A lobby's
freaking out, because they know they know that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's a non starter.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And they want that to be the only condition of
negotiation between Steve wick Coffe, the United States and Iran, and.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Israel keeps Israeli policymakers keep referring to what they want
as a Libya style deal. No, they keep using the
phrase Libya. And anybody who uses the phrase Libya style
deal in these talks is very directly trying to blow
up the talks. Because imagine you're on the receiving end
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of that offer and somebody says, what I'd like to
offer you is a Libya style deal, and you use
those words. What happened to Kadafi. He gave up his
nuclear weapons and subsequently was sodomized to death, literally literally
literally on camera, sodomized to death. That is a Libya
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style deal. And that is what people here who are
Runnian leadership or anywhere else, or North Korea, anywhere else.
When when you say that, because you're not even trying
to sugarcoat it at all, because you there are a
lot of different phrases you could use, and Libya's style,
uh is a choice treat of parts. You can put
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up this next elements. He's highlighting uh, He's highlighting this
massive kind of bubbling up of a campaign that is
very predictably now coming. For Witcough, they got his They
got his man, Adam Bowler, who Jared Kushner's roommate. Because
Bowler not only met directly with Hamas, that wasn't the
(04:49):
problem because that was approved by Trump. He's he went
on TV and said.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That I dared to say that the US US that
his great flaw and flubb.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know, the only reason they can't screw Wickcoff is
because Wickoff has been Trump's friend for like fifty years.
And also Wickoff, I mean, let's really ruminate in this too,
because I think this is very important.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It maybe relates to a certain debate.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
That Wassauger is talking. You can roll a few more
of these, Just roll.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Roll more of these, a better out of Steve Wickcoff.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
We just had a whole little debate on a certain
platform with a certain person around expertise. And you know,
Steve Wikoff is a New York City real estate developer
who built the Fountain Blue casino in Las Vegas and
has already succeeded in more diplomatic achievement in eighty four
(05:40):
days of the Trump administration than Anthony Blincoln did in
four years, and then Jake Sullivan did in twelve years
in power. Then so many career politicians did over a
twenty year period, like Brett McGirk, who have all been
working on all these And it is solely because of
his effectiveness that these pro Israel folks are all attacking.
As you guys just saw, the Israel lobby is absolutely
(06:03):
losing it, specifically because they know that any engagement on
terms with Iran that do not begin with the total
dismantling is itself a threat to the stated goals of
the net and Yahoo government, who believes that overthrow of
the Iranian regime is not only an imperative for Israel,
but that the United States must be a precipiting force
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to be able to do that for them, not that
they themselves are obviously militarily even capable of it. And
that is why the war is currently happening over our
own politics right now.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And let's not forget too.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Wikkoff is not He is not like he's done very
well and he's not been fired or anything like that. However,
the pro Israel forces can move in at any time.
He successfully negotiated that ceasefire. Ryan, it actually looks like
phase two. I wouldn't say it was likely, it was possible,
let's say within the realm twenty percent, thirty percent. Well,
they successfully killed that BB, and then they got Trump
to this whole colonized God is a thing BB. Currently
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apparently behind the scenes, the Israelis are freaking out over
these current deals. I would not put it past them
any anything is still possible for them to derail these talks,
to do something, you know, to try and elevate the
more Adelson and other friendly elements of the administration. So
for every one step that Steve wid Coff takes, they
could always take five steps back.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Wick Cooff is getting a little bit of defense. We
can put up D four here.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I sound like a maga thing.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Laura Lumer came out and, you know, basically saying, look,
wick Coff has gotten more done than any of these
clown bureaucrats have in many years. And then Marco Rubio
quote tweeted Laura Lumer and with the one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
By the way, you know, Elon also supported Steve woodk Coff,
which is, you know, these are all good things at
least for us right now.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But yeah, like I did he lift a Lumor tweet?
Because aren't they were beef?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think he replied to Lumer.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, Elon was like Steve wood Coff is a is
a great guy. I know this all sounds preposterous to
say that, you know, Marco Rubio is quant to be
dating a Laura lumer or, but it does show that
there is confidence and they're trying.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So she got a bunch of.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
People fired recently. Marco Rubio is like she did, I'm
with her.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Exactly right, You're right.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And what we know from all of this is that
the pro Israel lobby is currently out for blood. They've
taken two massivels recently in the last week. Number one
most important is this Iran negotiation. I would actually say
the Douglas Murray thing is also a secondary one. That
was their best advocate going forward on the biggest platform
with an actual skeptic in a real debate.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
They dragged into Gaza, like if you're a Western journalist,
you cannot get into Gaza. They put a fake press
vest on him and then and allowed him to be
escorted into Gaza where he sat down in like the
chair where Sinwar was killed. So that's their guy. Yeah,
that they put their champion on the field.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
They literally but that is their champion. And so you know,
they've taken a huge hit in the propaganda war. They've
taken a big hit here with the Trump administration. In
some ways, Trump is the only person who could get
away with this because he's simultaneously is like deporting these
pro Palestinian students, uh, you know, and others, and so
they're they're like beating their chest, going rabbit over that,
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but at the same time they're taking a massive foreign
policy loss.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So I don't know what. Oh I said that the
two l's was Iron Deal and Douglas Murtin. Oh, those
are the two.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Just love that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I mean, it sounds funny, but I honestly don't think
it is that has been watched by millions of people
or listen to by a lot that Honestly, if you're
an average person, you don't have that much exposure Israel
Pala sign and you just clock in and that's what
you get. I mean, think about it like that is
the average Joe. That is probably as close as they're
going to get to listening to a debate on the
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subject that I don't think it went that well for him.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
No, you would. You would come out of that with
a deep contempt for contempt to people who have contempt for.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You, yet they do have contempt for you. It's actually true. Yeah,
oh my expertise and yeah, literally are in town. Yes,
it's important to note just that on all fronts, there
is there's a lot of confounding information around the Iran
Deal and any potentials.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Just don't forget that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
While yes, I think all of this is working in
the right direction, I absolutely want to commend the Trump
administration for even attempting this something that Biden. Let's remember
the Biden administration never even got to this point right here.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Not even once.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And in fact, what was Ryan wasn't the DNC platform
Didn't it repudiate the Iran Deal in twenty twenty four
if I'm recalling it, had there was some talk in
the platform specifically about the overthrow or something of like they.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Actually became more neil went, they went back, yeah direction,
and then never, Yeah, they never made any serious effort
to try to get back into the Iran deal. And yeah, yeah,
here we are, and you put up d D five
the final element here just to support my claim that
I'm watch just place to go if you want to
get early news day. So they were the first to
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report that the next would probably move to Europe. Subsequently,
after this reporting, it's now been confirmed in Barack Revide
was the first to confirm it that the next round
of talks will be in Rome. One that I heard
is that this will want that A piece of this
(11:18):
is that it's shorter distance for Wiccough to travel. He's
a busy man, so having it in Europe rather than
constantly over somewhere in the Middle East makes it easier
for the US negotiators, which is kind of silly on
the way hand, but also suggests that they're pretty serious
about like wanting this to happen pretty frequently so that
he can come that he can so that he can
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come regularly to these talks and try to actually make
progress and get this thing done, because it actually it does.
It is different, and you know, you've done a lot
of travel. Your week is much different if you go
to Roman back then if you go to Oman and back.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, that's right. And by the way, in mind, if
you're also trying to bring Sees the fire back to
Gaza like, well, go ahead, No, I know, I was.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Just going to say, I think this is all This
is all good. We see development of more talks. Oman
has always been a meeting point for the US and
for Iran. The what is it the Sultan? I think
there you want to They're like, yeah, no, we're not
doing that. And why would you if you were the Ariots,
I wouldn't want to fly to I wouldn't want to
fly to the UA. Just broadly, I do think that
the overall engagement here is good. You will all need
(12:26):
to watch carefully. We can easily see a Bowler style sidelining.
Wick Coff is on the tightest balancing beam that there
is in all of US politics. The pro Israel lobby
is gunning for him more than any other figure in
the Trump administration, and they have successfully sidelined every single
other person who has dared to even suggest negotiation. And
of course they got their greatest victory in the ongoing
(12:48):
continuing war with Gaza.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So not a win yet. Things are currently in a
good direction.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But they could be derailed at any point right and still,
the complete blockade of humanitarian goods going into Gaza has
gone now from March second to it's now a fourteenth.
You can only begin to imagine, like what it's like
when you have two million people who have not been
resupplied for six weeks and the level. There are rumors
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going around Gaza that the that the crossings would open
today or tomorrow. Who knows if those rumors are true.
Let's let's let's hope that they are. Meanwhile, you've got
the bombing campaign ratcheting up. You have people in Jerusalem
reporting that the bombing is getting so fierce in Gaza
that you can even hear it in Jerusalem. They attacked
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the Alli hospital, which has not just important material residents
for the people who were relying on that hospital. There's
all these images of people in hospital beds, getting getting
the beds, leaving the hospital with nowhere to go, just
patients in hospital beds now out in the street. But importantly,
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this was the hospital that in twenty twenty three there
was this giant international conversation about whether it was Israeli
bombs or a misfired Palestinian Islamic Jahad explosive remember that
had killed hundreds of people at the hospital. There was
a resolution on the floor of the House that passed
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that censured Rashida Talib for not blaming Palastinian Islami Jahad
for that attack, for daring to say that Israel had
attacked that hospital. She was literally censured in the house
for that. And now Israel has attacked the hospital, admitted
that they attacked the hospital, claimed credit like a terror
group goes hospital Christian hospital on Palm Sunday. Yes, they've
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claimed credit for it. And it's just kind of a blip.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So the thing that Rashid tell their do you think
they'll tell their congregation that either next tour of Jerusalem
on an End Times tour.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I don't think they're gonna. I don't think they're gonna
hear that interesting. And now I think that, you know,
there's efforts to get the word out to these Christian communities,
and some do hear about it, and and I think
it goes to your point that like the erosion of
support for Israel is just yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I mean I made that group absolutely, and that's
the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They're hard core Zionis to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And you know, the funny thing is the Israeli state
cultivates the ship out of them because they think they're crazy.
If you go over there and you talk to them,
they're like, we can't even believe these idiots are so
pro they think they think they're a joke. They're like
cosmopolitan Israeli elites who think that these rapture evangelical apocalyptic
people are genuinely nuts, like because they look at them
the way that like New York City elites look at
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you know, evangelical Christians, and that's how they say. But
they also recognize that they're deeply politically important, and that's
why they support all of these like Pastor Hagey Kufi
groups all across it. They know where their bread is
buttered politically and the center of gravity. I do wonder,
you know, for these tours, have you ever been in Israel?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
These people are everywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Like if you're if you're flying from America, guarantee you
there's going to be a bunch of evangelicals on your
flight going to see the Holy Land. But the thing is, though,
with the proximity, especially when you're in Jerusalem, if you've
ever been there, it's pretty close. You know, you can
see Palestine literally your own eyes the wall. At a
certain point, aren't you going to be able to hear
some of the war and that going on. I genuinely
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wonder about that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So yeah, yeah, for sure, maybe it'll change some attitudes,
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So let's move over to two major developments on the
deportation front. On the two different wings of the kind
of deportation. There's the there's the political wing, which is
rounding up students and others who are critical of Israel
and detaining them and deporting them. And then there's the
(16:52):
case of the Venezuelans sent down to Boo Kelly's torture
chamber down in El Salvador. So let's start with start
with that one. So put up this first element. He
on's the So the Trump administrator has now responded to this, uh,
this judicial order from the Supreme Court that said the
Trump administration had to quote facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia,
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which is kill Marrol Berger. This is the man that
people hate when you call him a Maryland father, I
don't I don't know what you want to call him,
a construction worker who live in Maryland and.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
His president in the United States.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He had a deportation hold on him, so he cannot
be held sent to Salvador. It was sent to El Salvador.
The administration admitted they act quote mistakenly sent him.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
To and then the administration fired the DOJ attorney who
admitted that. And so now they are saying, and it's
an it's an interesting argument that to grapple with because
of the separation of powers question. So what they're saying
is that he is now in the sovereign custody of
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Naya Bukelly and El Salvador, and that no judge can
order an executive, the executive to make any engagement when
it comes to foreign policy with any sovereign country, that
that is the sole discretion of the executive. It raises,
(18:24):
of course, extremely uncomfortable questions, what like just just to
go to the like to take it to an absurd degree.
If Trump picked up Soda Mayor and sent her to
bu Kelly's prison and the Supreme Court was like, you
cannot pick up a Supreme Court justice and send them
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to a prison in El Salvador. You need to facilitate
her return, the Trump administration would make the same argument, Well,
look doesn't matter how how they got there, you don't
have the power to do that. I don't don't I
don't like it's like this is.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Currently being this is currently being litigated at the district
cordgin No. Look, Brian, you're right, all right, and people
it's probably important for people to hear me even say it.
If you mistakenly deport somebody and then you house them
in the custody of a foreign government, and you pay
that foreign government to house that person, and then you
claim that they're in the sovereign custody of that other country. Yeah, okay, yes,
said the stress should not have deported him. So it's
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a little bit different than if he had been Let's
say he had traveled to El Salvador by himself and
the L. Salvador Is put him in prison and he's
an L. Salvadorans citizen. Okay, whatever, right, not whatever, but
for him, But what are you going to do about it?
All right, pretty different story. Facilitate his return, as you said.
They are saying, yeah, if the L. Salvadorians ever let
him out, then sure we need to allow him back
in the United States. That's basically the crux of their
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argument at the current districtort level. However, people should remember
this does not just end right here. There will continue
to work this way through the legal process for that
definition of what facilitate means. And in fact I was
speaking with the CA front court watchers and others on this,
and they are specifically saying that this payment notion, that
that is the crux of the art, that's really the
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Achilles heel. The reason legally why the administration needs to
fight so hard on this is that if you release
one person, you actually show and admit that it's not
in the custody of solely of the El Salvatorian government,
that it is in the United States government, and that
leads to more court challenges ACLU challenge than others. Let's say,
over that makeup artist, right who we had previously seen,
(20:30):
and it opens the legal ground to.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
All of this question the soccer player we've talked about,
that you talked about totally.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's very obvious that the administrator, Look, they are terrified
of some I've used raised this of somebody coming back.
I think most what they're terrified of is admitting that
they did something wrong, because when you admit that you
did something wrong, then I mean, look, there are a
lot of people who still they don't know about any
of this case, right and on in space. A lot
of people who support massky board it whatever are looking
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at this and be like, yeah, okay, you know this
makes sense or whatever worse to the worst, and they're
taking the administration's word for it. The thing is now
the administration, in the same way that they have on tariffs,
is now showing this on immigration. So we previously saw
that MS thirteen East Coast gang leader, right who was
allegedly this horrible human trafficker drug you know, drug paraphernalia,
et cetera. They're dropped, they got a gun, slapped him
(21:18):
with a gun charge, and now they're just okay, we're
gonna deport him. Tell Salvador fine. I mean, okay, you
know guy had a gun illegally, definitely in crime. Why
was the governor of Virginia there and the Secretary of
Homeland Security. So what's happened is just a low level
gang member and you know, this entire thing is made up.
Same with a lot of the case here we've seen
around the tattoos, et cetera. I mean again, you know,
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to be totally honest, like never in my wildest dream,
so I think that anybody could ever be so stupid
as to use the process currently right now, that's on me.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So everyone gets dunk on me if they want to.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But that's just you can see pretty clearly as more
information has come out, not only in El Salvador, what
let's continue this, what we're about to get to with
the mock mood Khalil situation with this this woman who
is now yet go ahead, you can set it up.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is an example of what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And you know, just a resurrect again a Vietnam era
term credibility gap. That was a term that became widespread
during the Lennon Johnson administration where very similarly the American
strusted with the government, that trusted the government about what
they were saying around in this case immigration at that
time about Vietnam. But the more lies got exposed, the
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more that the default assumption was you are lying to
me now became baked into the America right.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And just people who supported that general policy assumed there
was some level of due diligence that's correcting being put
into this and so that and it appears that there
is very little so we can put up E two
on the Streen. This is a big Washington Post scoop
that came out last night where a memo leaked out
(22:55):
of the State Department that said, Okay, you asked us
to look into Rumesa os Turk, who is a tough
graduate student, to see whether or not she had done
anything that would that we could even remotely link to
saying that she supported Hamas. And if you look at
makmu Khalil, who was there's nothing out there where they
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have found there where he has said anything that would
that could be construed as supporting Hamas. Like it's just
it's just not out there yet. They're yet they're clinging
to that because he participated in some of these protests
where there there were some signs at the protests that
could be construed in that direction, and so he was
in the same vicinity. So that's got him, got him there, Okay,
(23:41):
So that's their bar. That's how low their bar is.
They couldn't even clear that bar for her. The only
thing that we have publicly seen, uh, and that they've
been able to dig up because they've got Canary Mission
and all these other Zionis organizations who have enormous amount
of resources to spend in betstigating these students. If they've
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if they tweeted anything in twenty ten or twenty eleven,
and even in support of like a flotilla bringing aid
into Gaza, like we would know this about Roumes Ozturk.
They have an op ed on which she was one
of four co authors, that was published in her student newspaper,
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that was in support of a student Senate resolution that passed.
So like that means like the entire student Senate is
supportive of Hamas if these claims are true. And if
you read the actual op ed, there's a ton in
it that Hamas would not agree with. Like it's it's
(24:42):
not a remotely Hama supporting op ed. It's just it's
talking about equality in Israel, and it's kind of critical
of the way that Israel is conducting. It's it's genocide.
I don't I don't even know if they use I
don't even remember if they use the word genocide. And
it's a very it's a very yeah. People go go
go look up us Herk's op ed. So that's the one.
So that's it turns out, according to the State Department,
(25:04):
which which looked closely at her case, that's all. They
had nothing else, and they told they said there is
no evidence that we can provide to Marco Rubio to
justify a claim that she is encouraging anti Semitism, by
which they mean, you know, uh, significantly critical of Israel,
(25:27):
or or that she is supportive of a terrorist organization.
We don't. The goods are not there. That memo was
in the custody of the State Department, produced by State
Department officials, and they went and grabbed her off the
streets of Summerville, Massachusetts. Anyway, you've seen that. I guarantee
you that you've seen clips of yeah, yeah, this horrifying
(25:51):
Somewhere You've got these like playing closed schoons pulling up
in the SUVs and and and dragging her away. That
was a pretty long time ago. Time kind of blends
together here. She has not been deported like she is
living in some deplorable conditions right now in immigration detention.
(26:14):
And this is a person who, according to a State
Department investigation, did nothing and I don't want to say wrong,
because it's not actually wrong to criticize Israel, but they
didn't do anything that even Marco Rubio's unconstitutional bar that
he has set an unconstitutional according to federal Judge Mary Trump,
(26:36):
like she didn't even do that, and currently she's deprived
of her freedom. Currently is a political prisoner sitting behind
bars in a detention center awaiting some sort of some
sort of adjudication of this case that's been brought against.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know what's crazy is even quote Tucks Friends of
Israel says, we strongly oppose the co of the op
ed that Oscar co authored, but restricting freedom of speech
is flat out undemocratic and Unamerican. Freedom of speech in
a democracy is sacred. It ensures that descent is heard
and that people can express themselves. That's the tough Friends
of Israel argument. They did say genocide. By the way,
(27:15):
I just look at I mean, you can say whatever
you want, okay, even.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
If whatever it's not a verboten word, right shall we? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, even looking at this entire case and the
background within it, you would assume, again you can donekull
me if you want. You would assume, let's say, if
you were to deport somebody Ryan and you don't support
this policy and neither do it. But we were to
deport foreign students who participated anti Israel activism, where do
we start?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
We start with people who committed a crime.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Right, I would look at that Hamilton Hall thing, anybody
who was charged with the crime. And this is again
I don't don't support this policy, but that's where I
would start. Who could argue against that?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You could say, oh, it's not you know, it doesn't
rise to the bar whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, but you can't really legally if you commit a
crime and you're here on visa, you got dead to right,
it wouldn't be surprising for people who it would.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Not be surprising to people that's exactly right. But they
start with Khalil for reason I think at this point
we can only exclude well, yeah, they thought he was
on a visa.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They thought he was on a visa. There's number one.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
But two is also you start with somebody who, in
a certain way is much more unimpeachable than you know,
the Hamilton All person as just a signal of like,
you shouldn't even be doing this right, And actually, I mean,
I know people may get upset about this. Would I
find the most objectionable is the government taking over the
Columbia University Mental Eastern Studies Department at Harvard and getting
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is a United States citizens expelled from a university because
of something that they said, I mean, these are citizens
of the United States of America who played presumably good
money to attend a private university and are then being
expelled from that institution and having their education taken over
by the government here specifically on behalf of a foreign
government to teach what I mean, what are the terms
(29:04):
now that are banned at Columbia University? Like what Middle
Eastern studies? What national interests do we have here that
Americans sufficiently you know bow down to the State of
Israel in private university Ivy League education or or is
it all a power play to show is like, hey,
you should not be messing with I mean, really, this
(29:25):
is like Bill Ackman and the Zionist you know, pro
Israel lobbies, like this is their fever dream, This is
their wet dream, like come to life. Is literally taking
over the institutions which they see as theirs and making
them sufficiently pro zero and making sure that there is
no dissent there at all. And the fact that it's
done on behalf of a foreign government is just honestly
makes it for me ten times worse. You can even
(29:46):
understand in the past Vietnam censorship or World War two
or any of that. That's totally that is within the
bounds not of acceptability, but of understanding about how a
nation grappling with an internal crisis.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But this is not even close to that.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
And we can't afford this right now. Meanwhile, foreign tourism
is plummeting. The bar is the line is going straight down.
It's like thirty down, thirty forty percent, but it's no
sign of what the bottom could actually be. I saw
somebody saying, well, it's only point four to two percent
of GDP. It's like, bro, do you understand how bigo
(30:20):
point four to two percent of GDP is. If you
shave that off, that that could take you from GDP growth,
if you're close to flat to recession territory. And it's
not just that point four too. Yes, that's the direct result.
But everybody who works in that industry, they pay rent.
They some some send their kids to private school. You know,
(30:42):
they go to the grocery store, they buy things. Now
they're not paying their rent. Now the landlord is going
to foreclose on that. Just like there's a ripple effects
throughout the economy. So taking a half point of GDP
and just saying no, thank you to it is huge.
And that doesn't even count the foreign students who sull
(31:03):
and we aren't argued about this before, but the foreign
students spend billions and billions of dollars in this country
propping up the economies of the neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't disagree.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I've just said before I think it's a bad financing
system while you're also relying on a mayor. I mean,
for example, I think there was like forty five thousand
graduate students who are foreign who were admitted to some
of these But you might say, oh, okay, that's great,
and it's like yeah, but they also a four percent
acceptance rate. And part of the reason why a lot
of these people do get admitted is because they pay
full free. I think that's actively discriminatory against US citizens.
(31:38):
I would be happy to reform it with you Ryan
about But is this the solution? Yeah, I would say no,
I don't think that this is the overall solution to this.
So unfortunately, I mean, we are now in the clown
show where what Khalil has been greenland for deportation.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It looks like we'll see. Yeah, So Friday, the Immigration
Court judge ruled that he could be deported. He still
has a habeas petition in front of the federal court.
So his lawyers are very country. So he's his parents
are His mother is from Algeria, so he has Algerian citizenship.
(32:15):
He also was born in Syria, but he as a
Palestinian refugee and a refugee camp, so he doesn't have
Syrian citizenship And what does that even mean in this
al Qaeda state right now? And so, but his lawyers
who I talked to over the weekend said that they
expect he would be deported to one of those two countries.
But one of those two countries I have to accept
(32:35):
him because and if they don't, now Algeria might in
order to kind of save him from getting sent to Syria,
because Syria might be more willing to do it because
you know, sur round by al Qaeda, which is our gesus.
We finance them, and they're they're willing to do whatever
to try to get sanctions released throughwhere else. Then he
would be at serious risk if he's in Syria, Whereas
(32:58):
the Algerians might say, if he's getting to it, will
take them and maybe we can protect it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's so funny to think about that, that he would
be at serious risk in Syria because what the administration
and the Posigon US people are telling us is that
he's some pro terrorist sympathizer. It's like, yeah, guys, those
are actual terrorists. And anybody who's been powling around with Jews,
Jewish students and pro peace and all that, they're not.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So happy with you.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
There's actual terrorists. They look at you and they yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Exactly, Yeah, there's that. Plus there's Israeli influenced in Syria. Yeah,
so Algeria would be more would be more likely, But
they're still fighting it and the Habeas case is still ongoing.
Unless unless they just ignore it and say, you know, hey,
screw you, we're just gonna shot, We're gonna ship him out,
and then once he's out, there's nothing you can do
(33:42):
about it. Yeah. Like that's like exactly what they're saying
with Ambredo Garcia and we mentioned.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
At the top. All right, let's get to the next
part here, which is about Josh Shapiro. So, as we
guys said at the beginning, there was this terrible attack
on Josh Shapiro, the Governor of Pennsylvania's mansion overnight where
an arsonist set fire to the house while him and
(34:07):
his family were sleeping there at two am. Now, initially
there were initial reports out of this did not make
it seem like it was that serious. But the photos
that had come out of this are devastating. Let's go
and put these up there on the screen. You can
see here inside of the Governor's mansion where you know,
I mean they're's burned, I mean completely too crisp, but
basically went up in flames all the way to the roof.
You can see there like the dining room formerly which
(34:30):
was burned on several of the walls, wallpaper, the piano,
et cetera suffering quite a bit of damage. That was
a leftover sign where they had just finished passed over
dinner at the Governor's mansions, had passover crafts, and you
can see that it's charred there by a lot of smoke.
So here's what we know so far about the suspect.
Let's go put that up there on the screen please.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
From the ap.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Suspect's name is A Cody Bomber, and Cody Bomber of Harrisburg,
Pennsylvania now been arrested and charged with the attempted murder
there in Arson on the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. He allegedly
told allegedly told investigators that if he had been able to,
he would have beat the governor with a hammer.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I don't know a lot about the guy. You know,
I don't want to say too much about his appearance.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You can draw that he looks like a hipster.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Draw conclusion from.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
What you will about being the light that you want
to see in the world. Okay, I mean, look, let's
all just remember this may not even.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Be in the Mazza Molotov cocktail, like that's the lefty Yeah,
I mean, right wingers will throw a Monotov locktail, but.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Will see.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I was going to say, as usual with these cases,
like with the Paul Pelosi case, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
They latch onto a politics, but ultimately they're mentally ill.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, exactly, probably just schizophrenic crazy. And that's not an excuse.
It's still scary what we're watching.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
But I'm saying, in terms of trying to spin some
grand political narrative, anybody who participates in something like this,
they've lost it. Uh So, what we know from Cody
right now is he was taken into custody, said he
would have beaten Shapiro with a small sledgehammer if he'd
been able to quote. Bomber had walked an hour from
his home to the governor's residence. During the police interview,
(36:12):
he admitted to harbor a hatred towards Shapiro, but did
not explain why. Okay, Shapiro, his wife, his four children,
two dogs, and another family were celebrating passed over at
the residence and were awakened by state troopers pounding on
their door about two am. They fled as firefighters extinguished
the fire. Luckily nobody was injured. We don't know yet
(36:32):
a whole.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Lot about this.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Authority said that Bomber is currently being transmitted transported to prison.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Did not say either whether he had a lawyer currently.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Like I said, he'd been listed to residence in Harrisburg
as recently as twenty twenty two. But if he walked
an hour to the Governor's mansion, so presumably within the
Philadelphia area, right or Sorryburg?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Wait what am I thinking of? That's right now?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
He is in Heiresburg, right, this is where the government
minister is so yeah, presumably then he's remaining in the
Harrisburg area. I guess that's all we know right now,
and still just I mean, it's just horrible to see
not only that the damage, but just show you is
much closer call than I think a lot of people
initially thought. You know, it seems like e also was
able to permeate. They were security perimeter and the fence, and.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
They said his security was like he was he was
like evading security as they were like chasing him through. Wow,
the mansion, I was able to.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I mean, this reminds me of you remember when Obama
was president and that guy leaped the fence and actually
made it through the front door.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, he made it pretty damn close. He made it
decent far into the.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Yes, right, yes, right, he did get in there. And
people are finding his like social media posts and finding
he's sharing like anarchist stuff. He has one joke on
here where he says I'm a registered socialist. So I
had gotten about twenty seven mail in ballots. It's funny
joke because I got to vote for everyone twice and
vote none of the above in person, plus casting a
(37:56):
vote for my favorite Cardo.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Let me know if there's any illuminati on there.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
That's always a fun that's always a fun classic schizophrenic.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
And he makes fun of Maga and oh really yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Right, well, look as again, not everything asked to be
political doesn't. Maybe it's more just a garden variety insanity.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Do what has happened?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
What you will?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
We do have some comments here from the governor. Let's
take a lesson.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
We don't know the person's specific motive yet, but we
do know a few truths. First, this type of violence
is not okay. This kind of violence is becoming far
too common in our society, and I don't give a
(38:40):
damn if it's coming from one particular side or the other,
directed it one particular party or another, or one particular
person or another. It is not okay, and it has
to stop. We have to be better than this. We
(39:01):
have a responsibility to all be better.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Possibly our next president there, Ryann, Governor Shapiro, don't know,
as you said, we saw some of the images there
of mister Cody Bomber, but that's all we really know
right now. The guy's been charged tempted, you know, tumpted, homicide, arson, terrorism.
I'm sure we'll fad, you know, we'll see more from
the investigation.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Etc.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
As you said, he'd written and said previously that he
hated the governor, but did not say why.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I mean, maybe it could be a Matthew Crooks situation
where we just never really find out very much about
the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
That's where things are. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We do know more about him than we do about
Matthew Crooks. Still an insane thing that happened in our history.
But that's where things are. Obviously troubling, very very sad,
and hopefully you know, the governor are pretty emotional there
in his comments. But you know, glad everybody that survived
and we'll see all right. Thank you guys so much
for watching great bro show. Ryan always enjoy being with you.
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Over the weekend, the US began direct negotiations with Iran.
In Ohman, we can put this first element up on
the screen. Interview that Witcoff did with the Wall Street
Journal has a bunch of people angry because he laid
out what the US negotiating position is in these upcoming
talks with Iran, which will now proceed to Rome next,
(00:55):
which we'll talk about in a moment, and effectively, what
he said is that the red line for the US
is weaponization of the nuclear program, and what that means
is that the US would be comfortable with a civilian
nuclear program, which is, you know, effectively the nuclear deal
that Obama and the Europeans in Russia made with Iran
(01:19):
back in twenty fifteen, the jc POA which Trump subsequently
walked away from. So that has we can put this
next tweet up on the screen. This is this is
from and they scooped this. This is if you're if
you want to follow this closely, this is called homwaj
It's homwatched op media. They have very deep sources kind
(01:41):
of within the Iranian government. So you obviously you want
to take anything you hear from any government officials with
a grain of salt. But if you're if you want
to know how Iranian sources are receiving their end of
the negotiations, homwag is really good at this. They were
the first that I saw to report that Witkof had
(02:01):
come in with some level of humility and had not
come in demanding, as the Iranians wondered, if he would
the complete dismantlement of the entire not just that r program.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Senior Iranian political sources said that whit cost draft neither
contained explicit threats of a military attack Iran has strongly
rejected any Libya style dismantling of his nuclear program and
has urged Trump to stop his threats.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I mean, this is again obvious.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Let's just remember the history here is that anybody in
the Middle East, anybody in the world, if you have
a nuclear program and America's like, you should give up
that nuclear program, your obvious answer should be no.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Look what you guys did to Gadafi. How you would
be an idiot to give it up.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's the only security that you have. That's why the
relations with the North Koreans continue to stall. We have
this fantasy that once you develop an ICBM capable of
destroying Los Angeles, so you're going to voluntarily give it up,
especially when you're the Kim regime and you still have
total control over the entire country. It's not happening. You're like,
this is the only guarantee of my entire security. Now,
the Iranians obviously aren't there, but to give up the
(03:05):
infrastructure for their own security and legitimacy, it would be preposterous.
And that's why that's why the pros or A lobby's
freaking out, because they know they know that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's a non starter.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And they want that to be the only condition of
negotiation between Steve wick Coffe, the United States and Iran, and.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Israel keeps Israeli policymakers keep referring to what they want
as a Libya style deal. No, they keep using the
phrase Libya. And anybody who uses the phrase Libya style
deal in these talks is very directly trying to blow
up the talks. Because imagine you're on the receiving end
(03:46):
of that offer and somebody says, what I'd like to
offer you is a Libya style deal, and you use
those words. What happened to Kadafi. He gave up his
nuclear weapons and subsequently was sodomized to death, literally literally
literally on camera, sodomized to death. That is a Libya
(04:07):
style deal. And that is what people here who are
Runnian leadership or anywhere else, or North Korea, anywhere else.
When when you say that, because you're not even trying
to sugarcoat it at all, because you there are a
lot of different phrases you could use, and Libya's style,
uh is a choice treat of parts. You can put
(04:28):
up this next elements. He's highlighting uh, He's highlighting this
massive kind of bubbling up of a campaign that is
very predictably now coming. For Witcough, they got his They
got his man, Adam Bowler, who Jared Kushner's roommate. Because
Bowler not only met directly with Hamas, that wasn't the
(04:49):
problem because that was approved by Trump. He's he went
on TV and said.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That I dared to say that the US US that
his great flaw and flubb.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know, the only reason they can't screw Wickcoff is
because Wickoff has been Trump's friend for like fifty years.
And also Wickoff, I mean, let's really ruminate in this too,
because I think this is very important.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It maybe relates to a certain debate.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
That Wassauger is talking. You can roll a few more
of these, Just roll.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Roll more of these, a better out of Steve Wickcoff.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
We just had a whole little debate on a certain
platform with a certain person around expertise. And you know,
Steve Wikoff is a New York City real estate developer
who built the Fountain Blue casino in Las Vegas and
has already succeeded in more diplomatic achievement in eighty four
(05:40):
days of the Trump administration than Anthony Blincoln did in
four years, and then Jake Sullivan did in twelve years
in power. Then so many career politicians did over a
twenty year period, like Brett McGirk, who have all been
working on all these And it is solely because of
his effectiveness that these pro Israel folks are all attacking.
As you guys just saw, the Israel lobby is absolutely
(06:03):
losing it, specifically because they know that any engagement on
terms with Iran that do not begin with the total
dismantling is itself a threat to the stated goals of
the net and Yahoo government, who believes that overthrow of
the Iranian regime is not only an imperative for Israel,
but that the United States must be a precipiting force
(06:24):
to be able to do that for them, not that
they themselves are obviously militarily even capable of it. And
that is why the war is currently happening over our
own politics right now.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And let's not forget too.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Wikkoff is not He is not like he's done very
well and he's not been fired or anything like that. However,
the pro Israel forces can move in at any time.
He successfully negotiated that ceasefire. Ryan, it actually looks like
phase two. I wouldn't say it was likely, it was possible,
let's say within the realm twenty percent, thirty percent. Well,
they successfully killed that BB, and then they got Trump
to this whole colonized God is a thing BB. Currently
(07:01):
apparently behind the scenes, the Israelis are freaking out over
these current deals. I would not put it past them
any anything is still possible for them to derail these talks,
to do something, you know, to try and elevate the
more Adelson and other friendly elements of the administration. So
for every one step that Steve wid Coff takes, they
could always take five steps back.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Wick Cooff is getting a little bit of defense. We
can put up D four here.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I sound like a maga thing.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Laura Lumer came out and, you know, basically saying, look,
wick Coff has gotten more done than any of these
clown bureaucrats have in many years. And then Marco Rubio
quote tweeted Laura Lumer and with the one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
By the way, you know, Elon also supported Steve woodk Coff,
which is, you know, these are all good things at
least for us right now.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But yeah, like I did he lift a Lumor tweet?
Because aren't they were beef?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think he replied to Lumer.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, Elon was like Steve wood Coff is a is
a great guy. I know this all sounds preposterous to
say that, you know, Marco Rubio is quant to be
dating a Laura lumer or, but it does show that
there is confidence and they're trying.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So she got a bunch of.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
People fired recently. Marco Rubio is like she did, I'm
with her.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Exactly right, You're right.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And what we know from all of this is that
the pro Israel lobby is currently out for blood. They've
taken two massivels recently in the last week. Number one
most important is this Iran negotiation. I would actually say
the Douglas Murray thing is also a secondary one. That
was their best advocate going forward on the biggest platform
with an actual skeptic in a real debate.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
They dragged into Gaza, like if you're a Western journalist,
you cannot get into Gaza. They put a fake press
vest on him and then and allowed him to be
escorted into Gaza where he sat down in like the
chair where Sinwar was killed. So that's their guy. Yeah,
that they put their champion on the field.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
They literally but that is their champion. And so you know,
they've taken a huge hit in the propaganda war. They've
taken a big hit here with the Trump administration. In
some ways, Trump is the only person who could get
away with this because he's simultaneously is like deporting these
pro Palestinian students, uh, you know, and others, and so
they're they're like beating their chest, going rabbit over that,
(09:13):
but at the same time they're taking a massive foreign
policy loss.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So I don't know what. Oh I said that the
two l's was Iron Deal and Douglas Murtin. Oh, those
are the two.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Just love that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I mean, it sounds funny, but I honestly don't think
it is that has been watched by millions of people
or listen to by a lot that Honestly, if you're
an average person, you don't have that much exposure Israel
Pala sign and you just clock in and that's what
you get. I mean, think about it like that is
the average Joe. That is probably as close as they're
going to get to listening to a debate on the
(09:45):
subject that I don't think it went that well for him.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
No, you would. You would come out of that with
a deep contempt for contempt to people who have contempt for.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You, yet they do have contempt for you. It's actually true. Yeah,
oh my expertise and yeah, literally are in town. Yes,
it's important to note just that on all fronts, there
is there's a lot of confounding information around the Iran
Deal and any potentials.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Just don't forget that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
While yes, I think all of this is working in
the right direction, I absolutely want to commend the Trump
administration for even attempting this something that Biden. Let's remember
the Biden administration never even got to this point right here.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Not even once.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And in fact, what was Ryan wasn't the DNC platform
Didn't it repudiate the Iran Deal in twenty twenty four
if I'm recalling it, had there was some talk in
the platform specifically about the overthrow or something of like they.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Actually became more neil went, they went back, yeah direction,
and then never, Yeah, they never made any serious effort
to try to get back into the Iran deal. And yeah, yeah,
here we are, and you put up d D five
the final element here just to support my claim that
I'm watch just place to go if you want to
get early news day. So they were the first to
(10:58):
report that the next would probably move to Europe. Subsequently,
after this reporting, it's now been confirmed in Barack Revide
was the first to confirm it that the next round
of talks will be in Rome. One that I heard
is that this will want that A piece of this
(11:18):
is that it's shorter distance for Wiccough to travel. He's
a busy man, so having it in Europe rather than
constantly over somewhere in the Middle East makes it easier
for the US negotiators, which is kind of silly on
the way hand, but also suggests that they're pretty serious
about like wanting this to happen pretty frequently so that
he can come that he can so that he can
(11:40):
come regularly to these talks and try to actually make
progress and get this thing done, because it actually it does.
It is different, and you know, you've done a lot
of travel. Your week is much different if you go
to Roman back then if you go to Oman and back.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, that's right. And by the way, in mind, if
you're also trying to bring Sees the fire back to
Gaza like, well, go ahead, No, I know, I was.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Just going to say, I think this is all This
is all good. We see development of more talks. Oman
has always been a meeting point for the US and
for Iran. The what is it the Sultan? I think
there you want to They're like, yeah, no, we're not
doing that. And why would you if you were the Ariots,
I wouldn't want to fly to I wouldn't want to
fly to the UA. Just broadly, I do think that
the overall engagement here is good. You will all need
(12:26):
to watch carefully. We can easily see a Bowler style sidelining.
Wick Coff is on the tightest balancing beam that there
is in all of US politics. The pro Israel lobby
is gunning for him more than any other figure in
the Trump administration, and they have successfully sidelined every single
other person who has dared to even suggest negotiation. And
of course they got their greatest victory in the ongoing
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continuing war with Gaza.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So not a win yet. Things are currently in a
good direction.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But they could be derailed at any point right and still,
the complete blockade of humanitarian goods going into Gaza has
gone now from March second to it's now a fourteenth.
You can only begin to imagine, like what it's like
when you have two million people who have not been
resupplied for six weeks and the level. There are rumors
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going around Gaza that the that the crossings would open
today or tomorrow. Who knows if those rumors are true.
Let's let's let's hope that they are. Meanwhile, you've got
the bombing campaign ratcheting up. You have people in Jerusalem
reporting that the bombing is getting so fierce in Gaza
that you can even hear it in Jerusalem. They attacked
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the Alli hospital, which has not just important material residents
for the people who were relying on that hospital. There's
all these images of people in hospital beds, getting getting
the beds, leaving the hospital with nowhere to go, just
patients in hospital beds now out in the street. But importantly,
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this was the hospital that in twenty twenty three there
was this giant international conversation about whether it was Israeli
bombs or a misfired Palestinian Islamic Jahad explosive remember that
had killed hundreds of people at the hospital. There was
a resolution on the floor of the House that passed
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that censured Rashida Talib for not blaming Palastinian Islami Jahad
for that attack, for daring to say that Israel had
attacked that hospital. She was literally censured in the house
for that. And now Israel has attacked the hospital, admitted
that they attacked the hospital, claimed credit like a terror
group goes hospital Christian hospital on Palm Sunday. Yes, they've
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claimed credit for it. And it's just kind of a blip.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So the thing that Rashid tell their do you think
they'll tell their congregation that either next tour of Jerusalem
on an End Times tour.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I don't think they're gonna. I don't think they're gonna
hear that interesting. And now I think that, you know,
there's efforts to get the word out to these Christian communities,
and some do hear about it, and and I think
it goes to your point that like the erosion of
support for Israel is just yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I mean I made that group absolutely, and that's
the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They're hard core Zionis to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And you know, the funny thing is the Israeli state
cultivates the ship out of them because they think they're crazy.
If you go over there and you talk to them,
they're like, we can't even believe these idiots are so
pro they think they think they're a joke. They're like
cosmopolitan Israeli elites who think that these rapture evangelical apocalyptic
people are genuinely nuts, like because they look at them
the way that like New York City elites look at
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you know, evangelical Christians, and that's how they say. But
they also recognize that they're deeply politically important, and that's
why they support all of these like Pastor Hagey Kufi
groups all across it. They know where their bread is
buttered politically and the center of gravity. I do wonder,
you know, for these tours, have you ever been in Israel?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
These people are everywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Like if you're if you're flying from America, guarantee you
there's going to be a bunch of evangelicals on your
flight going to see the Holy Land. But the thing is, though,
with the proximity, especially when you're in Jerusalem, if you've
ever been there, it's pretty close. You know, you can
see Palestine literally your own eyes the wall. At a
certain point, aren't you going to be able to hear
some of the war and that going on. I genuinely
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wonder about that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So yeah, yeah, for sure, maybe it'll change some attitudes,
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So let's move over to two major developments on the
deportation front. On the two different wings of the kind
of deportation. There's the there's the political wing, which is
rounding up students and others who are critical of Israel
and detaining them and deporting them. And then there's the
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case of the Venezuelans sent down to Boo Kelly's torture
chamber down in El Salvador. So let's start with start
with that one. So put up this first element. He
on's the So the Trump administrator has now responded to this, uh,
this judicial order from the Supreme Court that said the
Trump administration had to quote facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia,
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which is kill Marrol Berger. This is the man that
people hate when you call him a Maryland father, I
don't I don't know what you want to call him,
a construction worker who live in Maryland and.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
His president in the United States.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He had a deportation hold on him, so he cannot
be held sent to Salvador. It was sent to El Salvador.
The administration admitted they act quote mistakenly sent him.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
To and then the administration fired the DOJ attorney who
admitted that. And so now they are saying, and it's
an it's an interesting argument that to grapple with because
of the separation of powers question. So what they're saying
is that he is now in the sovereign custody of
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Naya Bukelly and El Salvador, and that no judge can
order an executive, the executive to make any engagement when
it comes to foreign policy with any sovereign country, that
that is the sole discretion of the executive. It raises,
(18:24):
of course, extremely uncomfortable questions, what like just just to
go to the like to take it to an absurd degree.
If Trump picked up Soda Mayor and sent her to
bu Kelly's prison and the Supreme Court was like, you
cannot pick up a Supreme Court justice and send them
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to a prison in El Salvador. You need to facilitate
her return, the Trump administration would make the same argument, Well,
look doesn't matter how how they got there, you don't
have the power to do that. I don't don't I
don't like it's like this is.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Currently being this is currently being litigated at the district
cordgin No. Look, Brian, you're right, all right, and people
it's probably important for people to hear me even say it.
If you mistakenly deport somebody and then you house them
in the custody of a foreign government, and you pay
that foreign government to house that person, and then you
claim that they're in the sovereign custody of that other country. Yeah, okay, yes,
said the stress should not have deported him. So it's
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a little bit different than if he had been Let's
say he had traveled to El Salvador by himself and
the L. Salvador Is put him in prison and he's
an L. Salvadorans citizen. Okay, whatever, right, not whatever, but
for him, But what are you going to do about it?
All right, pretty different story. Facilitate his return, as you said.
They are saying, yeah, if the L. Salvadorians ever let
him out, then sure we need to allow him back
in the United States. That's basically the crux of their
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argument at the current districtort level. However, people should remember
this does not just end right here. There will continue
to work this way through the legal process for that
definition of what facilitate means. And in fact I was
speaking with the CA front court watchers and others on this,
and they are specifically saying that this payment notion, that
that is the crux of the art, that's really the
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Achilles heel. The reason legally why the administration needs to
fight so hard on this is that if you release
one person, you actually show and admit that it's not
in the custody of solely of the El Salvatorian government,
that it is in the United States government, and that
leads to more court challenges ACLU challenge than others. Let's say,
over that makeup artist, right who we had previously seen,
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and it opens the legal ground to.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
All of this question the soccer player we've talked about,
that you talked about totally.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's very obvious that the administrator, Look, they are terrified
of some I've used raised this of somebody coming back.
I think most what they're terrified of is admitting that
they did something wrong, because when you admit that you
did something wrong, then I mean, look, there are a
lot of people who still they don't know about any
of this case, right and on in space. A lot
of people who support massky board it whatever are looking
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at this and be like, yeah, okay, you know this
makes sense or whatever worse to the worst, and they're
taking the administration's word for it. The thing is now
the administration, in the same way that they have on tariffs,
is now showing this on immigration. So we previously saw
that MS thirteen East Coast gang leader, right who was
allegedly this horrible human trafficker drug you know, drug paraphernalia,
et cetera. They're dropped, they got a gun, slapped him
(21:18):
with a gun charge, and now they're just okay, we're
gonna deport him. Tell Salvador fine. I mean, okay, you
know guy had a gun illegally, definitely in crime. Why
was the governor of Virginia there and the Secretary of
Homeland Security. So what's happened is just a low level
gang member and you know, this entire thing is made up.
Same with a lot of the case here we've seen
around the tattoos, et cetera. I mean again, you know,
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to be totally honest, like never in my wildest dream,
so I think that anybody could ever be so stupid
as to use the process currently right now, that's on me.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So everyone gets dunk on me if they want to.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But that's just you can see pretty clearly as more
information has come out, not only in El Salvador, what
let's continue this, what we're about to get to with
the mock mood Khalil situation with this this woman who
is now yet go ahead, you can set it up.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is an example of what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And you know, just a resurrect again a Vietnam era
term credibility gap. That was a term that became widespread
during the Lennon Johnson administration where very similarly the American
strusted with the government, that trusted the government about what
they were saying around in this case immigration at that
time about Vietnam. But the more lies got exposed, the
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more that the default assumption was you are lying to
me now became baked into the America right.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And just people who supported that general policy assumed there
was some level of due diligence that's correcting being put
into this and so that and it appears that there
is very little so we can put up E two
on the Streen. This is a big Washington Post scoop
that came out last night where a memo leaked out
(22:55):
of the State Department that said, Okay, you asked us
to look into Rumesa os Turk, who is a tough
graduate student, to see whether or not she had done
anything that would that we could even remotely link to
saying that she supported Hamas. And if you look at
makmu Khalil, who was there's nothing out there where they
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have found there where he has said anything that would
that could be construed as supporting Hamas. Like it's just
it's just not out there yet. They're yet they're clinging
to that because he participated in some of these protests
where there there were some signs at the protests that
could be construed in that direction, and so he was
in the same vicinity. So that's got him, got him there, Okay,
(23:41):
So that's their bar. That's how low their bar is.
They couldn't even clear that bar for her. The only
thing that we have publicly seen, uh, and that they've
been able to dig up because they've got Canary Mission
and all these other Zionis organizations who have enormous amount
of resources to spend in betstigating these students. If they've
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if they tweeted anything in twenty ten or twenty eleven,
and even in support of like a flotilla bringing aid
into Gaza, like we would know this about Roumes Ozturk.
They have an op ed on which she was one
of four co authors, that was published in her student newspaper,
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that was in support of a student Senate resolution that passed.
So like that means like the entire student Senate is
supportive of Hamas if these claims are true. And if
you read the actual op ed, there's a ton in
it that Hamas would not agree with. Like it's it's
(24:42):
not a remotely Hama supporting op ed. It's just it's
talking about equality in Israel, and it's kind of critical
of the way that Israel is conducting. It's it's genocide.
I don't I don't even know if they use I
don't even remember if they use the word genocide. And
it's a very it's a very yeah. People go go
go look up us Herk's op ed. So that's the one.
So that's it turns out, according to the State Department,
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which which looked closely at her case, that's all. They
had nothing else, and they told they said there is
no evidence that we can provide to Marco Rubio to
justify a claim that she is encouraging anti Semitism, by
which they mean, you know, uh, significantly critical of Israel,
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or or that she is supportive of a terrorist organization.
We don't. The goods are not there. That memo was
in the custody of the State Department, produced by State
Department officials, and they went and grabbed her off the
streets of Summerville, Massachusetts. Anyway, you've seen that. I guarantee
you that you've seen clips of yeah, yeah, this horrifying
(25:51):
Somewhere You've got these like playing closed schoons pulling up
in the SUVs and and and dragging her away. That
was a pretty long time ago. Time kind of blends
together here. She has not been deported like she is
living in some deplorable conditions right now in immigration detention.
(26:14):
And this is a person who, according to a State
Department investigation, did nothing and I don't want to say wrong,
because it's not actually wrong to criticize Israel, but they
didn't do anything that even Marco Rubio's unconstitutional bar that
he has set an unconstitutional according to federal Judge Mary Trump,
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like she didn't even do that, and currently she's deprived
of her freedom. Currently is a political prisoner sitting behind
bars in a detention center awaiting some sort of some
sort of adjudication of this case that's been brought against.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know what's crazy is even quote Tucks Friends of
Israel says, we strongly oppose the co of the op
ed that Oscar co authored, but restricting freedom of speech
is flat out undemocratic and Unamerican. Freedom of speech in
a democracy is sacred. It ensures that descent is heard
and that people can express themselves. That's the tough Friends
of Israel argument. They did say genocide. By the way,
(27:15):
I just look at I mean, you can say whatever
you want, okay, even.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
If whatever it's not a verboten word, right shall we? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, even looking at this entire case and the
background within it, you would assume, again you can donekull
me if you want. You would assume, let's say, if
you were to deport somebody Ryan and you don't support
this policy and neither do it. But we were to
deport foreign students who participated anti Israel activism, where do
we start?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
We start with people who committed a crime.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Right, I would look at that Hamilton Hall thing, anybody
who was charged with the crime. And this is again
I don't don't support this policy, but that's where I
would start. Who could argue against that?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You could say, oh, it's not you know, it doesn't
rise to the bar whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, but you can't really legally if you commit a
crime and you're here on visa, you got dead to right,
it wouldn't be surprising for people who it would.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Not be surprising to people that's exactly right. But they
start with Khalil for reason I think at this point
we can only exclude well, yeah, they thought he was
on a visa.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They thought he was on a visa. There's number one.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
But two is also you start with somebody who, in
a certain way is much more unimpeachable than you know,
the Hamilton All person as just a signal of like,
you shouldn't even be doing this right, And actually, I mean,
I know people may get upset about this. Would I
find the most objectionable is the government taking over the
Columbia University Mental Eastern Studies Department at Harvard and getting
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is a United States citizens expelled from a university because
of something that they said, I mean, these are citizens
of the United States of America who played presumably good
money to attend a private university and are then being
expelled from that institution and having their education taken over
by the government here specifically on behalf of a foreign
government to teach what I mean, what are the terms
(29:04):
now that are banned at Columbia University? Like what Middle
Eastern studies? What national interests do we have here that
Americans sufficiently you know bow down to the State of
Israel in private university Ivy League education or or is
it all a power play to show is like, hey,
you should not be messing with I mean, really, this
(29:25):
is like Bill Ackman and the Zionist you know, pro
Israel lobbies, like this is their fever dream, This is
their wet dream, like come to life. Is literally taking
over the institutions which they see as theirs and making
them sufficiently pro zero and making sure that there is
no dissent there at all. And the fact that it's
done on behalf of a foreign government is just honestly
makes it for me ten times worse. You can even
(29:46):
understand in the past Vietnam censorship or World War two
or any of that. That's totally that is within the
bounds not of acceptability, but of understanding about how a
nation grappling with an internal crisis.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But this is not even close to that.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
And we can't afford this right now. Meanwhile, foreign tourism
is plummeting. The bar is the line is going straight down.
It's like thirty down, thirty forty percent, but it's no
sign of what the bottom could actually be. I saw
somebody saying, well, it's only point four to two percent
of GDP. It's like, bro, do you understand how bigo
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point four to two percent of GDP is. If you
shave that off, that that could take you from GDP growth,
if you're close to flat to recession territory. And it's
not just that point four too. Yes, that's the direct result.
But everybody who works in that industry, they pay rent.
They some some send their kids to private school. You know,
(30:42):
they go to the grocery store, they buy things. Now
they're not paying their rent. Now the landlord is going
to foreclose on that. Just like there's a ripple effects
throughout the economy. So taking a half point of GDP
and just saying no, thank you to it is huge.
And that doesn't even count the foreign students who sull
(31:03):
and we aren't argued about this before, but the foreign
students spend billions and billions of dollars in this country
propping up the economies of the neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't disagree.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I've just said before I think it's a bad financing
system while you're also relying on a mayor. I mean,
for example, I think there was like forty five thousand
graduate students who are foreign who were admitted to some
of these But you might say, oh, okay, that's great,
and it's like yeah, but they also a four percent
acceptance rate. And part of the reason why a lot
of these people do get admitted is because they pay
full free. I think that's actively discriminatory against US citizens.
(31:38):
I would be happy to reform it with you Ryan
about But is this the solution? Yeah, I would say no,
I don't think that this is the overall solution to this.
So unfortunately, I mean, we are now in the clown
show where what Khalil has been greenland for deportation.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It looks like we'll see. Yeah, So Friday, the Immigration
Court judge ruled that he could be deported. He still
has a habeas petition in front of the federal court.
So his lawyers are very country. So he's his parents
are His mother is from Algeria, so he has Algerian citizenship.
(32:15):
He also was born in Syria, but he as a
Palestinian refugee and a refugee camp, so he doesn't have
Syrian citizenship And what does that even mean in this
al Qaeda state right now? And so, but his lawyers
who I talked to over the weekend said that they
expect he would be deported to one of those two countries.
But one of those two countries I have to accept
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him because and if they don't, now Algeria might in
order to kind of save him from getting sent to Syria,
because Syria might be more willing to do it because
you know, sur round by al Qaeda, which is our gesus.
We finance them, and they're they're willing to do whatever
to try to get sanctions released throughwhere else. Then he
would be at serious risk if he's in Syria, Whereas
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the Algerians might say, if he's getting to it, will
take them and maybe we can protect it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's so funny to think about that, that he would
be at serious risk in Syria because what the administration
and the Posigon US people are telling us is that
he's some pro terrorist sympathizer. It's like, yeah, guys, those
are actual terrorists. And anybody who's been powling around with Jews,
Jewish students and pro peace and all that, they're not.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So happy with you.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
There's actual terrorists. They look at you and they yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Exactly, Yeah, there's that. Plus there's Israeli influenced in Syria. Yeah,
so Algeria would be more would be more likely, But
they're still fighting it and the Habeas case is still ongoing.
Unless unless they just ignore it and say, you know, hey,
screw you, we're just gonna shot, We're gonna ship him out,
and then once he's out, there's nothing you can do
(33:42):
about it. Yeah. Like that's like exactly what they're saying
with Ambredo Garcia and we mentioned.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
At the top. All right, let's get to the next
part here, which is about Josh Shapiro. So, as we
guys said at the beginning, there was this terrible attack
on Josh Shapiro, the Governor of Pennsylvania's mansion overnight where
an arsonist set fire to the house while him and
(34:07):
his family were sleeping there at two am. Now, initially
there were initial reports out of this did not make
it seem like it was that serious. But the photos
that had come out of this are devastating. Let's go
and put these up there on the screen. You can
see here inside of the Governor's mansion where you know,
I mean they're's burned, I mean completely too crisp, but
basically went up in flames all the way to the roof.
You can see there like the dining room formerly which
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was burned on several of the walls, wallpaper, the piano,
et cetera suffering quite a bit of damage. That was
a leftover sign where they had just finished passed over
dinner at the Governor's mansions, had passover crafts, and you
can see that it's charred there by a lot of smoke.
So here's what we know so far about the suspect.
Let's go put that up there on the screen please.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
From the ap.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Suspect's name is A Cody Bomber, and Cody Bomber of Harrisburg,
Pennsylvania now been arrested and charged with the attempted murder
there in Arson on the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. He allegedly
told allegedly told investigators that if he had been able to,
he would have beat the governor with a hammer.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I don't know a lot about the guy. You know,
I don't want to say too much about his appearance.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You can draw that he looks like a hipster.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Draw conclusion from.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
What you will about being the light that you want
to see in the world. Okay, I mean, look, let's
all just remember this may not even.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Be in the Mazza Molotov cocktail, like that's the lefty Yeah,
I mean, right wingers will throw a Monotov locktail, but.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Will see.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I was going to say, as usual with these cases,
like with the Paul Pelosi case, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
They latch onto a politics, but ultimately they're mentally ill.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, exactly, probably just schizophrenic crazy. And that's not an excuse.
It's still scary what we're watching.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
But I'm saying, in terms of trying to spin some
grand political narrative, anybody who participates in something like this,
they've lost it. Uh So, what we know from Cody
right now is he was taken into custody, said he
would have beaten Shapiro with a small sledgehammer if he'd
been able to quote. Bomber had walked an hour from
his home to the governor's residence. During the police interview,
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he admitted to harbor a hatred towards Shapiro, but did
not explain why. Okay, Shapiro, his wife, his four children,
two dogs, and another family were celebrating passed over at
the residence and were awakened by state troopers pounding on
their door about two am. They fled as firefighters extinguished
the fire. Luckily nobody was injured. We don't know yet
(36:32):
a whole.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Lot about this.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Authority said that Bomber is currently being transmitted transported to prison.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Did not say either whether he had a lawyer currently.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Like I said, he'd been listed to residence in Harrisburg
as recently as twenty twenty two. But if he walked
an hour to the Governor's mansion, so presumably within the
Philadelphia area, right or Sorryburg?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Wait what am I thinking of? That's right now?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
He is in Heiresburg, right, this is where the government
minister is so yeah, presumably then he's remaining in the
Harrisburg area. I guess that's all we know right now,
and still just I mean, it's just horrible to see
not only that the damage, but just show you is
much closer call than I think a lot of people
initially thought. You know, it seems like e also was
able to permeate. They were security perimeter and the fence, and.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
They said his security was like he was he was
like evading security as they were like chasing him through. Wow,
the mansion, I was able to.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I mean, this reminds me of you remember when Obama
was president and that guy leaped the fence and actually
made it through the front door.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, he made it pretty damn close. He made it
decent far into the.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Yes, right, yes, right, he did get in there. And
people are finding his like social media posts and finding
he's sharing like anarchist stuff. He has one joke on
here where he says I'm a registered socialist. So I
had gotten about twenty seven mail in ballots. It's funny
joke because I got to vote for everyone twice and
vote none of the above in person, plus casting a
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vote for my favorite Cardo.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Let me know if there's any illuminati on there.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
That's always a fun that's always a fun classic schizophrenic.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
And he makes fun of Maga and oh really yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Right, well, look as again, not everything asked to be
political doesn't. Maybe it's more just a garden variety insanity.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Do what has happened?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
What you will?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
We do have some comments here from the governor. Let's
take a lesson.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
We don't know the person's specific motive yet, but we
do know a few truths. First, this type of violence
is not okay. This kind of violence is becoming far
too common in our society, and I don't give a
(38:40):
damn if it's coming from one particular side or the other,
directed it one particular party or another, or one particular
person or another. It is not okay, and it has
to stop. We have to be better than this. We
(39:01):
have a responsibility to all be better.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Possibly our next president there, Ryann, Governor Shapiro, don't know,
as you said, we saw some of the images there
of mister Cody Bomber, but that's all we really know
right now. The guy's been charged tempted, you know, tumpted, homicide, arson, terrorism.
I'm sure we'll fad, you know, we'll see more from
the investigation.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Etc.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
As you said, he'd written and said previously that he
hated the governor, but did not say why.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I mean, maybe it could be a Matthew Crooks situation
where we just never really find out very much about
the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
That's where things are. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We do know more about him than we do about
Matthew Crooks. Still an insane thing that happened in our history.
But that's where things are. Obviously troubling, very very sad,
and hopefully you know, the governor are pretty emotional there
in his comments. But you know, glad everybody that survived
and we'll see all right. Thank you guys so much
for watching great bro show. Ryan always enjoy being with you.
(39:56):
My friend christ will be here tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
We will see you all then the batt
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