Krystal, Emily and Saagar discuss the flagrant podcast turning on Trump, Dersh claims Epstein coverup, billionaires plot to defeat Zohran & MORE!
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Hello, Hello, how are you everybody? It's good to see
you on Friday.
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Here.
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We had a we had a fun night with the baby,
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Oh boy, you want to share some details?
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Oh, I mean nothing that any newborn parents. Oh yeah,
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It's it's all right, you know. It's like one am
therapy sessions and other things that we have to deal with.
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Everyone's done too, It's true, and then its on to
another phase, which will also be difficult in its own ways.
But the just like endurance phase of no sleep is
you know, compared, it feels like it will last forever.
Right now, I promise you it doesn't last forever. Emily,
do we have you yet?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Let's say, yeah, there she is, She's there.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
There we go excellent.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I come to these things to hear about your lives basically,
so that's.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What everybody's here we catch up on.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We do miss having Ryan, though, because he always has
something some interesting nugget to drop on us.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Always.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yes, like that he's already ten minutes late for a meeting.
But Ryan's on his way to Ireland, so.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yes, oh wow, safe travels to him.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, we have a bunch of stuff we are going
to try to get to this morning, but I don't
think we'll get to all of this. But we've got
new Epstein stuff, in particular the Andrew Schultzen the flagrant
pod reacting to the lack of Epstein. Uh, the lack
of Epstein disclosures and closing of the case, and a
lot of interesting things. There are some Trump regrets going
(02:04):
on in that pod, so we'll dig into that. We've
also got new tariffs announced, We've got new zoron freak out.
We've got new stuff going on with Israel with immigration.
One thing I am bound and determined to get to,
but it'll probably be in the premium half of the
show is billionaire Bill Ackman apparently paid his way into
a pro tennis match in which he was obviously he's
(02:24):
what is he fifty nine years old, he's not a
pro tennis player, gets of course completely humiliated.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
The other players on the court.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It was a doubles match are just sort of like
tapping the ball to him so that it's not completely humiliating.
Andy Roddick went off on his podcast and I'm just
I'm obsessed. I enjoy watching tennis, so I'm interested in
it from that angle, But like I am endlessly fascinated
and horrified by.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
The mind of the billionaire.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Don't rely yeah golf to like you have a yeah,
I mean you.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Have, but billionaires don't play in pro because they just
attend the master, right, you know, It's like this. It's
certainly another thing. I mean again, I don't watch a
lot of tennis. I used to when I was a
lot younger, but you know, the idea that you're going
to pay your way into playing some of like the
top two or three hundred players in the world and
then force them to like lower their level of play
just to accommodate your beliefs and then post like a
(03:19):
long essay about how how like what did he say
he was? It was really scariest things I've ever done.
It's just just actually shocking.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The level is brisk, completely shocking.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Like I mean, you know, I was like a fairly
high live play, you know, swam Division one. And the
idea that that like me at this age will get
in the pool with some even a Division one, let
alone like an Olympic. It's so preposter I just I
can't even wrap my head around why you would sign
up for that level of public humiliation, which is exactly
(03:51):
what he did.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So anyway, we could talk more about that later.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
We have video, and we have an essay.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, we have videos, we have essays, we have anti
rodicks going off on I mean, he was like he
was so offended because this was part of some like,
you know, Hall of Fame matches and what and he's
obviously part of the Hall of Fame because he was
such an extraordinary American male tennis player, and so he
just felt like this was an absolute defiling of the
(04:18):
sport that he cares so much about. So in any case,
that will probably be in the premium portion. Let's go
ahead and jump into some of these clips from the
Flagrant pod. So the first one, I think the first
one I have here, yeah, is where they're specifically talking
about the promise to release the Epstein files and then
now Trump being like, I can't believe you're even why
(04:41):
are you going to bring this guy up like this creep?
Why do you even care about this guy? Let me
go ahead and play this.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We have Texas, we have this, we have all of
the things, and people say this is great.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
So we're stupid. Yeah, we're We're the fucking idiots, guys.
That is I think what is enraging people right now
is it's insulting our intelligence. Like obviously the intelligence community
is trying to cover it up. Obviously Trump administration is
trying to cover up something changed because they ran on
this idea of exposing it all. Yeah, all these guys
had great ideas. Cock Eye Cash. He was ready to
(05:19):
tear it all down. He was ready to tear down
the entire FBI.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Shut down the Hoover building day one, day one.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Then he's still standing and then he goes on Jill
Rogan and he's like, listen, do you think if I
had it, I wouldn't share it with you? I do, Yeah,
I do. I do believe that, especially when you're staring
at me like this, tell me, once you protect pedophiles,
you are the most cauc person.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So one or two things, in my mind, is it
possible One you're covering it up?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Or two nothing really happened and you exploited the of
thousands of children to get your man elected.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So which one do you want here?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
That is a very good point there at the end.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I like it, uh, And actually I really I want to.
I'm sad that Ryan's not here because he had the
best analysis for me, which was for a lot of
people specifically like podcasts online, like you know, we can't
ever determine like what percentage of the vote swung that
way to Trump, but a lot of it was ViBe's base,
and the Vibe base was of the outsider exposing the
(06:20):
insider right, and that's kind of how Kamala how Biden,
how the outsider campaign, regardless of whether you say their
establishment or not. Like, that's how it came off and
read to a lot of people. And Epstein's story is
kind of this vector where for many people they're like,
if you're gonna lie to me about this, or if
you're not going to talk about this, if you're not
gonna be honest about this, then there's all these other
(06:42):
things that you are lying to me about. And so
that's why, you know, Ben Shapiro recently.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
Was like, well, Epstein actually is you know, like the
lowest list of priorities for people. It's like nobody's saying
it's a priority. It's not like the number one thing,
but it's the extent to which you exploited it for
your political ends. I mean, in Cash and Dan Bongino's case,
they literally got rich talking about this stuff. So that's
actually extra objectionable to me. But the reason why, I mean,
(07:07):
I was listening to a Shane Gillis podcast this morning
with my friend Matt McCusker, same thing. They're like, guys, like,
this is the most bullshit thing ever. You know, They're like, oh,
I guess he's you know, totally innocent. Shane was like,
maybe you know Trump is. It's like, it's obvious Trump
is trying to cover something up. He's probably in the
Epstein file.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, this is again like it is a vector
of understanding the visceral like disgust of business as usual
and of Washington. You can critique that if you want to,
I know Michael Tracy and others have, but regardless, you know,
if you're going to sell something like this grand vision
to the American public, you either have to deliver or
if you're not going to deliver, you need an extremely
(07:45):
transparent process instead of basically boils down to trust me
bro And I do think it is an important like
vibe cultural based conversation around Donald Trump for a lot
of the people out there for who this was their
entree point into politics, which is definitely in the millions.
I'm not going to sit here and claim it's you know,
the swing voter or or any of that, but it
(08:07):
was a useful understanding and heuristic and Trump, you know
in that in that that clip, I think he's really
not going to be able to live that down for
a while because it's like you can't really come to
another conclusion of like you're covering some shit up, man,
like you're covering some up. You just can't get away
from that.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I think it was a real gateway drug to politics
for gen Z because the Epstein stuff was playing out
in COVID and when TikTok was first starting to become
extremely popular, and the gatekeepers lost a lot of their
power around the Epstein story. And so the I agree
with everything sorry just said, and want to just add
to it. The inverse here is that the implication if
you are suddenly the Trump administration that is bumbling it
(08:47):
in the most clumsy possible way. It is like a
satire the way Pam Bondi has screwed the story up,
the way cash and like they just look ridiculous. So
the inverse of that, it's not only that they were
the outsiders coming in to expose the insiders. They are
now horrible insiders, right, So it's not just that like
(09:08):
they're they're covering up, it's that they're also now like
completely complicit and really bad at it, Like it's just.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I mean from my perspective too, there was always a
weirdness in expecting that Trump was going to release the
Epstein files, because, first of all, whenever you asked about
him about it, he would give very squarely, very squarely
back when he was in office. The first time is
when Epstein killed himself and when he got asked about, hey,
what do you think about Gallaine Max while he was
on trial.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Right now, she's like, I wish her well.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
So there's that they doubled down on wishing her well.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
There's a fact like we know they were friends.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
We've got pictures of them together, we have like he
was on the flight multiple times. Epstein says they were
busties for a long time. Like there are a lot
of entangled entanglements. They're just with him, let alone with
members of his administration. You were talking about Bill Barr
and his dad givin Jeffrey Epstein his first job at
this private school, and I was like, wildly unqualified. There's
Alex Acosta who negotiated, like signed off on the sweetheart
(10:05):
deal down in Florida. Now you got Pam Bondi, who
also was implicated down in Florida. So like to me,
it was always preposterous and it was always there was
such a giant blind spot on Epstein where Trump was concerned,
because all the fixation would be on Bill Clinton, which
I'm happy to say, like, yes, he's also implicated here
as well and had the connections and Bill Gates and
all these people too, But there was just like a
(10:26):
willing blindness that Trump had anything any intermingling with this
circle whatsoever. And so now that he has not only
said okay, well there's nothing to see here, and you know,
he definitely killed himself, and here's the tapes and we're
closing all the cases into Prince Andrew and everything else.
This has done deal nothing to see here. Now, suddenly
(10:48):
people started to go like, oh, you know, he did
have all of these associations with this dude. As it
turns down, so the sort of the eyes are opening,
there's a bit of a little bit of an awakening
to what's going on here. Now in terms of the
MAGA base, they'll find a way to forgive and forget,
as they always do.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's always happening. Alex Jones is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Saying, well, first of all, there's a scapegoating of Pan Bondi,
like that's sort of the easiest the go to, like
it's never Trump's fault, it's someone around him who's sabotaging him,
blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
The other in fairness, Pam Bondi has been uniquely ridiculous
throughout this but yes, agreed, agreed, she is being scapegoated, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Free lancing and doesn't have trouble, you know, it's preposterous.
And the other one there's more convoluted, like Alex Jones
has decided that Trump is using the Epstein files to
blackmail the deep state so that he can get his
agenda done. It's like, okay, guys, sure, whatever's.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That's vintage QAnon for those of us. Oh yeah, oh yeah, aware, Yeah.
I mean I don't disagree with any of that. I
think largely it was because like, oh well, he's willing
to talk about it, so there must not be anything
going on there. I'm agreeing that that's cope, and I'm yeah, look,
this is why again the combo is important. Like you said,
Maga base, the MAGA base is going to forgive Trump
for anything. But the point is about where is the
(12:05):
culture going to go for a lot of people who
were not MAGA in any way. I mean, if you
look at gen Z right, gen Z men in particular,
I believe they voted for Trump. It's a slightly higher
percentage than at any other time before. I'm saying in
terms of even in the popular vote. Well, I do
think that these types of you know, these types of
stories were important. I don't think many of those men
(12:28):
would consider themselves MAGA in any way. If anything, they're
more of like an anti left voter or anti establishment
left voter. They're very much up for grabs, very much.
People you've talked about this, Crystal, they were Bernie Bros.
Or they were crypto Bernie Bros. In terms of they
didn't know it yet at the time. They're probably too young.
And if the Bernie movement had, let's say, stayed the course,
they would have been Bernie guys. You know, if they
(12:49):
had stayed with the course, Bernie gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, Burnie, Yeah, we know about the Bernie to Trump pipeline.
Now we may be getting the Trump to Bernie pipeline
or the yaye.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So also on that podcast, Andrew Schultz said, Hey, listen,
the only people that seem to me like they're really
America first. Are the DSA types like Bernie and Zora,
And let's go ahead and take a listen to that.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
The only party right now that to me seems America
first is the Democrat Socialist Party. Yep, Bernie is America first.
Mom Donnie and all his ideas that he will not
be able to execute it, and I frankly think many
of them are not good ideas, but he is, no
doubt New York first. The policies seem to want to
(13:32):
help people here. That's what I care about. If MAGA
wants to take this America first thing.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I love the dramatic music they put with us.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, yeah, that's They have a very good social media team.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
You do.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You have to handy to.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
Them one lie, which is Epstein did not have a
blackmail ring on all these very influential people, and by
saying that that didn't happen, you have to tell a
lot of other little lies everyone.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
That's exactly what I was saying. Yeah, yeah, and we're
starting to see right through right now, and it's just embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So the reason that's exactly it. That's a good clip
because it also demonstrates the Israel issue. And this is
why the Epstein and the Israel issue are both intertwined.
Not only quite literally whenever it comes to Mosad, but
if you look, I mean again, I hate to bring
it back to Shane and all these other guys, but
they are cultural touchstones, like we have to be honest.
Tires was one of the biggest shows in America. Shane
(14:24):
is probably the second biggest comedian in the United States,
behind like Joe Rogan or Dave Chappelle, maybe even the
biggest if you look at ticket sales and others. But
for him, you know, I recently saw this clip where
he was like celebrating whenever Trump would, you know, like oh,
We're gonna not bomb Iron, but then when he was like,
oh and there Trump is back because he was saying
Bbie should not be prosecuted. There is like an America first,
(14:47):
like disgust at the obsession over Israel and the view
that we are Israel's pawn, you know, in this great game.
And so there's the policy level, and then there's also
the general vibe level where again with mom don and
I can't get away from this. The way that he
was able to frame him to frame the others as
obsessed with Israel and issues that have nothing to do
(15:10):
with New York is one of the most important things
that has happened in politics. You talk about this recently, Crystal,
about the defeat. I mean, this is the largest Jewish
city in America, right in New York City, the largest
Jewish population, or not even in America, in the whole world.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And so I think Tel Aviv is the only city
in the world it has a larger population Jewish population, right.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So outside of Tel Aviv, you know, to have him
get elected on the back of I would stay here
in New York. That is again you know, look at
the way the Andrew message and all of that. That's
important And maybe we'll talk about this later with you know,
like the news that like Joe Rogan is telling Trump
not to do mass deportation and all of that is
it's not policy based. It is a connection between the
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politician and the voter. As Yeah, we may ask some disagreements.
You know, I may not even take all this some
of the stuff you say so seriously, but I do
think you're fin for me. This is something again why
it's so crazy for Trump. This was Trump's genius of
the twenty sixteen campaign, and inside exactly, I was like,
I'm fighting for you. You know what did he say? He's like,
they're there. It's not they're coming for me. They're coming
(16:13):
for you, like I forgot for me.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
They're coming for you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But that was, you know, that was visceral actually for
a lot of people. It was in a major part
of a lot of the ads, especially after the Butler
you know, assassination attempt. And I think what they're doing
is they're kind of seeding it away, you know. It's
I don't know if they said it in that clip.
There might be another clip also where Scheltz said this.
But he was like, because he doesn't just talk about
(16:37):
Epstein and about Israel, he was talking about the big
beautiful bill, right, So all of these things compound on
each other. Yeah, let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Let me play this and I'll get your reaction all
this time.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah, over again.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
And this is my theory with like our politicians individually corrupt,
like perhaps, but I wonder if just the throne is
like the institution, the systems in place are inherently kind
of corrupt, and so you can have people like cash,
who's probably like working in good faith while he's campaigning
and like on the build up and like all this
time as as a prosecutor for the state, like he's
(17:10):
like doing good work and then gets into role, gets
bred in on a brief and goes all right, never
you know what I mean? Like, I like, to me,
that seems like the most logical thing.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I believe that about Trump.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
I believe when Trump everything he campaigned on, I believe
he wanted to do, and now he's doing the exact
opposite thing.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I know what he's done exactly. Your point if you
tell me, it's easier for me to believe you you
wanted to do all these things if any of them
were happening in the way that you said.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
To that point, Like, there will be people that are like,
they'll do me and be like you see what you
see what your boy doing.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
You voted for this. I'm like, I voted for none
of this.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You're doing the opposite of everything I voted for.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I want him to stop the wars he's funding them.
I want him to shrink spending.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
He's increasing it.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
It's like everything that he said he's going to do,
accept sending.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Immigrants back everything.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
And now he's even.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Flip flopped on that, which I kind of like. But
he's like, oh well, we kind of need the people
working around and we need a farmer. It's like everything
that he said that he was going to.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Do that he can can't put he said, which was important,
and I thought it was good you pressed him on it.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
You got to.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Start with the criminals in terms of reporting.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't think. I don't even know if the criminals
are getting sent back. I know there's a lot of
people with gris, people with green cars getting sent back.
There's people who aren't criminals getting sent back. I don't
know if you're sending back the criminals first you never
had it enough first. I don't if you're sending them.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Back at all. So what do you think of that, Emily, Well,
I just have to say this contrasts so starkly with
the mood of Republicans in Washington and should be strayed
incredible dose of cold water, because they are riding very high.
They feel great about the big beautiful bill having things
like no tax on tips. They feel very good about
it having no tax on overtime. And we could get
(18:52):
into the nuances of those policies, but they feel like
they're on the cusp of something in Gaza and that
Trump has all of them mentum in the world that
I really can't state enough how that represents the way
MAGA feels right now and the way the Republican Party
here feels right now.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
They have the wind at their backs, that's what they think.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And meanwhile, the vibes are not anywhere near where they are.
And Sager, I actually think part of what you talked
about with Tucker Carlson this week, you made a very
interesting point that the conversation you both were having on
his show about ten years ago might not have been
happening in any mainstream way whatsoever in the depth and
(19:34):
with the level of scrutiny and skepticism of the establishment
that exists. And I think the Trump world believes that
they have way more control over the discourse and the vibes.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Then that's a great point, you know, actually, to pick
up on that. It's true. I have been struck by
the exact same feeling with people are reaching out to
me and be like, oh, why are you so down
on Trump? And I was like, man, you guys just
don't get it, like you guys think that this big
Beautiful Bill thing and this Iran thing. They're like hoovering
up all of this Maga cope from Charlie Kirk's Twitter feed.
(20:08):
And you know the irony is, if you actually listen closely,
if you listen to the Charlie Kirk Show and all
of that, there's not nearly as much of this whole
trust Trump thing.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Ba.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I actually think it's a kind of a similar dynamic
to how Democrats had the Twitter is not real life problem.
It's because maga has become such a ubiquitous like force
on Twitter, and there's like all of these like blue
check weird accounts that are just constantly posting like Trump
wins or any of these other things that they just
(20:37):
really believe a lot of their own bs like you,
they actually think the Big Beautiful Bill is popular. It's shocking.
I was like, I was like, I do not know
what you guys are smoking to think that there is
any level of like the enthusiasm for this beyond like
what they're happy about is they're like, look at our
legislative victory, Like we got thrist through the house. I'm like, bro,
(20:59):
you're having a prop says conversation. Nobody a fuck about that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You know, it's like they care about what they call
that like epistemic closure, where there's just no ability for
other information to penetrate because it's like point, you've decided
that poles don't like reflect reality. So even though every
pole is like this thing is underwater forty points with independence,
that's just completely discarded. They're like, yeah, but there was
a cat turned pole that said whatever you know, right well.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Or yeah, but when people see it in their pocket books,
they'll be happy, Like that's a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
That's the cope.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And then, you know, because you have this like closed
media ecosystem, and then Trump, you know, it is not
only a billionaire but also is the president of the
United States and has gone out of his way to
have nothing but just like the most embarrassing sickophants around him.
And yes, man, he's certainly not getting any accurate information
and so and you know, I haven't heard I don't know.
(21:53):
I don't watch War Room every day, but I haven't
heard Steve Vannon every criticizing the Big Beautiful Bill since
it passed. Oh yeah, in advance, he was sounding the
alarm about like, hey, a lot of maga are on Medicaid,
and hey, maybe we should like actually increase the taxes
on the ridge. Now this past he's basically shut up
as far as I can tell. And so even though
(22:14):
the messaging against this bill is so obvious of like
they're taking your healthcare to fund a tax cut for
the rich. Even though that's such a layup, even Hakeem
Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer can figure it out, they're just
so closed off from reality that they don't see it whatsoever.
And then you know, there's also just like a yellow
quality to this administration.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I don't know if Trump is planning to run again
third term.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't know what's going on there, but he's put
the immigration bucket firmly in Steven mm's hands. You know,
we'll talk maybe, I'm not sure if we're going to
get to all this later or not. There was this
Washington Post report that Joe Rugan was like, hey, you know,
can we like dial it back with the farm workers
and the whatever. Well, there's footage today of a massive
rate including like helicopters and militarized vehicles and whatever on
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a farm.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So Steven M. A week's got alligator, marijuana farm help Zager.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But in any case, you've got alligator Alcatraz, you've got Seacot,
Like clearly he's just like Steve and m you do
your thing over there, and there seems to not really
be any care or concern even for whether any of
this is going to be politically palatable to the masses.
And so that's been that's been my biggest surprise from
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Rogan Schultz and others is the discomfort with the immigration,
with the deportation policy, because you could say a lot
of things about like so, for example, on the Ukraine War,
Trump has definitely been different than was advertised, right, you
could say, you know, on cutting Medicaid, that's certainly different
than advertised. Like, you know, there are things that I
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could say, Okay, this is a little different than what
was portrayed on the campaign trail, even though I would say,
if you look at the first term, you could have known,
but okay, put that aside on grace there on immigration,
like they had massias now science, I agree with your NC.
How did you not know and if you just knew
like the most basic facts about the immigrant population, the
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idea that there was this mass like millions of criminals
that they're going to be able to deport preposterous. And
then to the point of Andrew and I'm not sure
who was talking in that club about like yeah, Akosh
was saying, like, I don't even know if they're shipping
out criminals.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
He's actually right about that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
There's new reporting about it is much easier if you're
just going for numbers.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's much easier to just.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Go to the farm, go to the home depot, go
to the garment factory, go to like wherever immigrants tend
to cluster. And these are predominantly law abiding, you know,
people who you know have been in the country for
some amount of time. It takes more resources and more
time to track down the criminal gang member. So the
directions have come from Steven Miller directly and are being interpreted,
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you know, down to the agent level of like you
can't you don't have time to pursue those cases because
we just need to get the numbers up, which means
that actually far few were criminal undocumented immigrants are being
swept up and detained. It is much more of a
numbers game of where can we go to get the
largest number in the shortest amount of time.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Well, I mean, I think that could have been true
before the one hundred and seventy five billion if it
stands like you know, we really are not like quite.
I don't know yet. I read the same Nick miroof
Atlantic article that you're referencing there that was jet prior
to the passage of the bill, which massively of course
funds like cbp ICE and all of these other places.
But I do agree in terms of I mean, this
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is part of the issue. Look, no offense, many of
these people are my friends. But this is part of
the problem with vibes based voting, right, because what you're
really reacting is you're reacting against Biden border chaos, and
you're not taking a lot of this stuff actually literally
and seriously, I did a monologue you'll probably remember, Crystal,
where I was like, Hey, if you are voting on issues,
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I was like, here's how you should vote, And I
can't stress enough how much people don't vote that way
and then express surprise and shock whenever these things actually
do happen. And this, you know, I mean, unfortunately, that's
just like the way a lot of the country votes.
That's how it was during George W. Bush, like mister
I would like to have a beer with him. And
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it's like, oh, well that doesn't actually have anything to
do with Iraq, but whatever, well point, I guess, sorry ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well, I was just saying, there's one other piece I
do want to say though about the Democratic Party, which
is you know, we played that clip of him being like, hey,
the people who seem like their most American versus DSA.
It really I mean, it's it's one data point, but
it really does expose the foolishness of thinking it's gonna
be like Dean Phillips and Alyssa slot Kid.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yes, bring back the bros, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And so this old model of politics of oh, the
way to win them back is to like go to
the center and to be more corporate friendly whatever. It's like, No,
that's the polar opposite. Zoraon Mamdani won the bros overwhelmingly
of all races and classes, like it was a generational shift,
and the bros freaking loves Zorn. You liked Zoron, like Rogan.
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The thing that he knew about Zoron was that moment
on the debate stage where he was like, I'm going
to stay here.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I'm not going to Israel.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So you know, there's I think there's something very important
in that, even as you don't want to take like
you know, the vibes of one particular podcast comedian, but
when you look at the data that is emblematic of
like if you actually win these want to win these
guys back, it's no mystery what you need, what direction
you need to go. And so instead of like fighting
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Zoron tooth and nail and trying to destroy him, maybe
there's something to learn here from this person who was
like uniquely charismatic and has a policy platform that people
really were excited about and find him personally compelling.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I also think it's a good important lesson for the left,
and this is something I was talking about yesterday with Zoron.
But you know what the right wing attacks right now
are like Zoron is a Muslim foreigner, right, and it's like, no,
like Zoron is actually a very interesting study in the
modern American left. From wearing shalwar camies and flip off
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Christopher Columbus and saying defund the police is putting in
a codical glove to like and yeah, and to now
wearing a suit and talking about new York first going
on the Abundance podcast and then also talking and you
know recently he was like, yeah, sure, maybe I'll keep
the New York City Police commissioner. But like to me,
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like Zoron, feels as if he's talking about New York,
which is in itself the opposite of being some sort
of like foreign interloper, right, And so there is something
that important too. Again, if you do want to talk
and take the Sheltz thing and try and extrapolate it
out into an American context. By the way, I mean,
it's not just Schultz, it's Rogan. Like you talked about
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Tucker and my conversation, we were both praising Zoron for
his answer specifically about this, Well, what does it come
down to? Be American? Like, it's actually about being and
defending America as a concept and not some sort of
like transnational you know, leftism and liberalism, which at its
worst of the Democratic Party back in the two thousand,
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if you know to the extent that there was a
ViBe's based shift against immigration, it was like there for you,
there for them, and they're not for you. I still
think a lot of that is very true. But you know,
if you do want us to overcome that message, you
have to sell it in an American context and not
in terms of feeling like sympathy for subgroups DEI and
foreigners as opposed to your own citizens. This again is
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the vibe context to which Trump was able to win
the immigration debate. I still don't think that the left
or liberals have really like squared that circle. They can try,
and that should be a project in my opinion of
them for the next three and a half years, like
if they do want to win. But the reason why
I think that they're the strongest and why Akosh specifically
sided there about the green card example, and Emily you
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noted free speech. This is why the Khalil case matters, right,
because you run on free speech and then you go
to you go to Europe, you know, and you and
you lecture them, and then we're banning guys for having
memes of JD on their phone. We're like, what the
fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And then same with the Khalil thing. We're like, Yo,
this guy and Oz Turk are getting deported for co
signing and op ed that nobody read about BDS at
Tufts University. You're like this is insane. This is totally insane.
I talked to here about that coffee shop case. I
didn't have a chance to messure this on Tucker. Have
I mentioned it here before that the DJ is suing
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this coffee shop in Los Angeles because they they had
a drink or whatever that said that like quote unquote
celebrated Hamas. And it's like, yo, this is like going
after that baker who wouldn't bake that cake for gays.
I was like, that's not this is the same bullshit,
you know. I'm like, by the way, I stand with
the baker.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
And I stand with the coffee game to gay wedding.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yes, the gay wedding. Sorry, yeah, gay the gay wedding.
But it's like, okay, like let them do whatever the
fuck they want to do. You know, it's it's not
a civil rights violation. This is ridiculous, And like that's
that is, you know, to the hijack point about free
speech and specifically on immigration. I think that's a very
very useful one, you know, for a lot of these
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for a lot of like the Democratic Party and the
modern left, to be able to point out, you know,
that extent not to mention the economic piece of all
of this where the big beautiful bill comes in. So
I've been thinking about this a lot, and that's why
I think Zorn really is such an important candidate. And
just the way the right is reacting to him, like
in the way that they're calling him those like, you know,
Muslim Marxist, It's like, it's like, guys, what, yeah, it.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Was just.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's so funny. It's so funny to Indians because I'm like, yo,
this is the prototypical liberal Shia. Like to me, he's
got a sufie vibe. You know, his mom directed Kama
Sutra like spiritually their shit libs compared to even like
conservative Hindus like us. So to call them, uh list list,
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it's so so funny to anybody who's like remotely in
the night.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Like, to me, he's an American character, and uh yeah,
if you're an American leftist, you should model yourself off Zor.
Zorn feels American, he feels New York. That's the way
that he talks, that's the way that he looks. You know,
he's studied. Obviously, he's very smart guy. He's probably read
a decent amount of history in the way that you
actually actionalize these moments and that that is very much. Man,
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it really is a damn shame he can't run for president.
Like if he won New York, he should just immediately announce,
like the next day, because I don't I don't know
if he would win per se, But like, damn, it
would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It really I think he would really happen. He's just talented.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, he's good, he's smart, you.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Know, political sense, Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And but he knows people know.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I guarantee you Zoron and I would not get along.
But but it's like I have to respect I.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Have to people like that.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Like if you met him personally, I guarantee you actually
would get along.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I mean him on he was great, we were he
was easy to talk.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
There's a there's a cultural element here that people aren't
reading into.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I'm joking, bringing his cultural baggage to the table here.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, I just I respect him as a politician.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, Emily, we go ahead with any of that, and
then we can we can actually skip ahead to a
little bit of zor On stuff and then come back
to the Epstein stuff because there is a bunch of
let me, let me play this saw of Dean Phillips,
why don't we do that saying that there's no room
in the party for both him and Zoron, which is
just like very self defeating on a lot of levels.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
So let me go ahead and let's take of this.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
The current DNC chair Ken Martin Fellow Minnesota use used
you as an example in saying the party is a
big ten they can welcome people from from different ideological,
geographic perspectives. I think he used the example of you
couldn't win a race in ilhan Omar's district and she
couldn't win a race in yours. Is there a room
for you and Mamdani in the Democratic Party?
Speaker 10 (33:56):
You know?
Speaker 11 (33:56):
I think it's a It's a fine question. I think
it's one that many Republicans been asking about whether there's
room for traditional conservatives and a party now led by
mega Republicans like Donald Trump. The answer, ultimately, I think
is no. We do share many of the same values.
In fact, most Americans share a lot of the same values.
But as a political party, yes, you want diversity, you
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want some differences of opinion, perspective, life story, politics, and experience.
But when you have socialists. When you have socialists in
the Democratic Party, I don't know how anybody could argue
that that would be beneficial for the party or for
the country. There in lies the great challenge, same thing
on the right, Omar is mega the future of the
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Republican Party. If it is, there is going to be
a new, grand, successful third party in America because the
overwhelming majority of Americans want neither far left or far
right politics. They want decency, they want common sense, competency,
and cooperation, and no party right now is elevating candidates
who represent those ideals.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I saw people sharing this with the news clip about
the time that Dean Phillips showed up at an event
and literally no one was there, combined with the video
that Zora and just put out where he's trying to
record one of his trademark videos and he's just being
mobbed for like selfies and like, oh my.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
God, I love you, I voted for you, You're the best.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Let me get a selfie, let me you know, so
in any case which direction Democratic Party, But.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I mean, so he is he just said something that
is so true, and I have to defend Dean Phillips
on this point, which is that neither party is putting
forward candidates that respond to what people actually want. This
I am sorry to do this again, Sager, but you
also made this point when you were talking about the
America Party, which oh.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, we talked about yesterday on the show.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Which is yeah, but this is exactly They always think
that the third Party is the third way party, right,
that it's the party of austerity and compromise and centrism.
But what people actually want is very different than what
any type of billionaire elite Dean Philip sort of a
NEPO baby thinks that actually they need that what voters
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actually want, So it's not responsive to what people actually want.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Here's my other thing is like, you know, he's like, oh,
he's a socialist, so that's not compatible. I really I'm
trying to get an interview with Tom Swazi, who has
like a similar Zoran critique.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I really want to ask him.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Okay, which of these policies do you find to be
completely out of bounds that you can't even exist in
the state, Like, okay, put the label aside. Who cares
what he calls himself? Is it the free buses which
are supported by like seventy percent of New Yorkers. Is
it free and affordable daycare, which is like also wildly popular?
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
You know, the rent freeze on already rent controlled apartments?
Like what is it that is so outrageous? Is it
five publicly owned grocery stores? Like what are we talking
about here? That's so crazy that you can't exist in
the same party.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
And we all know what.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
The real answer was, is is real? Or if Zorn
had the right answers on Israel? Dean Phillips wouldn't have
an issue, a bunch of the Kirsten Gillibrand wouldn't have
an issue. Richie Torres wouldn't have an issue. All these people,
John Fetterman, we're so panicked and upset because he's a socialist.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Now it's not about him being a Zodia.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
They exist alongside Ilhan Omar and AOC.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah right, you are upset because he wouldn't back down
with your lull you know, oh, well, does Israel have
a right to exist as a Jewish state? And he's like,
how about a state with equal rights? Or you know
that he supports bds, or that he didn't back down
when they asked him, which is not even something he
said like, hey, how about globalize the end to fada?
Will you condemn this language? And he's like, no, here's
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where it comes from. And I'm not in the business
of word policing. The fact that he wouldn't bend at
all on any of those things when he was pressed
and like under fire, that's what they actually it's not
the free buses, like they don't like that. So but
it's not that. It's not that it is Israel and
Dean Phillips cannot see him self existing in the same
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party as someone who says everyone should have equal rights
within Israel and the status quo is apart tid and
this is a genocide and it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
That's why it's just so Propolan. You know, I had
high hopes for Dean, as people remember, because Dean had
an opportunity. Uh no, for real, he was the Cassandra
on Biden's age. He could have played that well. He
could have done the Obama two thousand and two thing
where he's like, I was the only guy who came
and spoke out against the war when it wasn't popular.
I mean, that was that's credibility, you know, even whenever
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it didn't nobody cared about Obama's speech at the time.
Is a state senator, who was he even talking about
Iraq for But that's political talent, that's political entrepreneurship. And
Dean is independently wealthy. You know, he could have finance ered,
you know, played it into something different. But unfortunately, since then,
he's become like a weird like Elon fanboy and then
you know, he was like anti Biden, but now you know,
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trying to defining himself on the axis of Israel, and
it's like, dude, like that's just not that that's not
what the base wants or needs right now, you know,
not only in terms of the Democratic Party, but that's
not where the political future is if you're like looking
at the tide. So it's actually very unfortunate for somebody who,
I think, if he played his cards differently, had a
real opportunity. But I mean, maybe it just shows even
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his run against Biden wasn't really about you know, principle
or whatever, Like it wasn't like it was just a
vanity campaign at the time, which well, let's kind of sad.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, let's take the cynical read on it and keep
playing with that thread that cynically, he was smart enough
to see where the wind was blowing.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
I mean, he's from Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
You talk to normal people in Minnesota a year and
a half ago and they were like.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Hey, is the president dead right?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
And so he was at least smart enough and like
understood that it would age well. Uh No, pun intended
to question the president's health, that like that there would
be a reckoning on that. What it shows now is
that he's he's not smart or either smart enough or
willing to see where the window's blowing on this particular issue.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
With the base.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Can I tell you what I firmly believe happened with
Dean Phillips because we interviewed him multiple times. I have
interviewed him on KKF, we interviewed him on breaking points.
When he first got in against Biden, he realized that
the opening was to the left. And so even though
he'd just been like a run of the mill voting
for Biden's agenda, like very centrist politician, he moved himself
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to the left. And remember he talked about like I
had these conversations and I realized we need to be
more economically populist. And then when it came to Israel.
That was just like, you know, that was a place
he was not willing to go. And I had some
pretty like you know, heated exchanges with him over exactly that.
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And I think that the Israel position has really kind
of driven an increasing like right wing shift from Dean
Phillips because and this is something you see happen all
the time. It's like this is one issue that's like
central to his identity. Sees the people that he's aligned with,
they're more on the right, and it is just like
any semblance of oh I'm going to become more progressively,
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all of that is gone because it's all sort of
being driven by his commitment to Israel. And you see
this with like, you know, Fetterman, Richie Torres, various a
lot of characters on the right who see their unwillingness
to give any credence to Palestinian's right to like exist
and live. They see that as like they're standing up
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to the woke mob, and that becomes sort of like
core to their identity. And so you know, that's how
you end up in this place where you think you're
being a renegade by literally towing the line of the
Trump administration. The Biden administration, like Apak, you know, all
of these very powerful, well organized entities, and you think
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somehow you're being a renegade, but that really is. I
think that is exactly the trajectory that played out with
Dean Phillips, where he started off thinking, oh, I need
to get to the left, and then it just ran
into the Israel wall and his whole political identity sort
of shapes and forms around that.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
Also a good example of the first.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
I'm missing missing the vibes. Yeah, they think that, like
the the khalil Os Turk stuff, at least at the
time they thought it was playing well.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
I know, I talked to them about it. Yeah, oh yeah,
oh yeah, I talked to them about it. I said,
what the fuck do you think you guys are doing?
I said, do you just not understand like the disconnect
that's happening here? And they're like, oh, you're out of touch.
You know, you've been spending too much time with her.
I said, all right, you know, we'll see, we'll check in.
That's that's always what I say. And uh blow and behold.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
You know, it's so funny because you know, three years ago.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
They like, hey, man, can I get Joe Rogan's number, Andrew.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
And I was like, oh, yeah, it's like, you know,
maybe some of us know a little bit about where
things go, but uh, look they don't listen. They're they're
huffing up fo. Trump is actually more addicted to Fox
today than at any time before. That's what I hear, really,
and it is. It's crazy actually because he has to
be brought like printouts of people's tweets who disagree with it.
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That's kind of how he keeps up with like Laura
Lumer or any of these other people. That's because people
will print these things out and they'll kind of show him.
That's the extent to which he engages with the online world.
And it's just so funny because yeah, he doesn't know.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
Stuff he does not know. Yeah, ja exact reason.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
JD and the rest of them can't be forgiven on
this because they're actually online there by the way, they're
probably more online than that I am or the rest
of them, Like they are, they do and so for them,
it's like I just don't get, you know, where a
lot of this cope and stuff comes from and how
they think that people are just gonna sit there and
take it, especially they really believe that these podcast guys
(43:48):
were like useful idiots that they could just like sit
and glaze them. And you know, I've already watched basically
all of them turn in some way. I don't know
if you guys saw, like theo Vonne in an episode
after JD was on, he was like, yeah, I really
hated his answer on Palenteer or something. I was like, wow,
you know, I mean you could see it, like all
of them are starting to get like this kind of
(44:09):
like gross vibe. And you know, look these there at
the end of the day, like they rose independently and
they have independent income streams. They're not mainstream media. They
don't care about the connections to a certain extent or access,
and they thought it was cool to have Trump on
and that's mostly what it was really all about. And
so you know, you can only like take them and
take advantage of him. I guess, like so many times before,
(44:30):
they're like yeah, man, like I really don't like a
lot of the stuff that you're doing. And I think
that's really starting to permeate in the call. I mean,
Tucker is another example. I mean, you know, it's like
that's there's the most critical comments you probably ever hear,
and uh yeah, I just put all that stuff together
and I see things just blown in a very very
different direction. But the White House, it cannot be emphasized enough.
(44:52):
Like Emily said, they think this is they're on cloud nine,
like they are, like, we are winning. It's never been better.
The Epstein thing is a blip, you know. Anybody not
on the team is just a loser, you know, panic
in whatever. The polls are fake. And I'm just like, okay,
I mean maybe that's a good transition to Canada. Crystal
(45:12):
about to slap you know, I mean, this is insanity.
This is that was the lowest in terms of his
economic approval was during the Mexico Canada tariff war. He's like, oh, actually, yolo,
let's go right back to it. For what reason nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Starting August first, we're gonna charge Canada tariff thirty five
percent on Canadian products sent into the US.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Still the ones that.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Are you know, part of the US Canada Mexico Trade
Agreement are exempted. But this is you know, an increase
from the previous terriffs that have been levied on Canada
and obviously comes in a week when some what like
twenty two countries just got likes of random tariffs slapped
on them. I don't know if you guys saw I
was just reading this morning the Vietnam. Vietnam was one
of two countries that we had a quote unquote deal with. Now,
(45:56):
neither of these, the other one being the UK. Neither
of these really was like fleshed out. But it was like, Okay,
we've got an outline of something that we can package
and concept to plan.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Now that the Vietnamese are like, you just put a
different terif on us than what we even had been
talking about, Like what the fuck we and now we're
not even agreeing with your concept of a theory of
a plan thing. What is going on? So yeah, I
mean it's just complete madness. And I think at this
point Wall Street is just priced in, like the taco trade,
(46:28):
you know, they're just like, ah, he's doing this. Now,
next week it'll be off again. Who cares none if
it's ultimately gonna matter, but at some point it's going
to matter. At some point if you're just slapping fifty
percent tariffs on Brazil and thirty five percent on Canada
and this country in that country and whatever. At some
point that adds up to having a real impact on
the real economy and on mostly working class people who
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will be the ones who you know, disprepared portionately bear
the burden of this.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, and I think that I think again they're misreading
it in terms of because the way they look at
the story, it's, oh, everybody panicked and the s and P.
I mean, the Nasdaq closed it all time high right
on Friday and videos at fortunate and they're like, see,
we're totally vindicated. I'm like, guys, really vindicated because you taco,
because you always back down, right, It's like, it's not
(47:15):
because of yourlice. Way, yeah, by the way, keep going.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
But they would well, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, well,
but I was gonna say that their argument is that
the taco is the part of the taco is the strategy, because.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
What are we getting out of this nothing?
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Yes, I'm always say is that's what they would respond
is like this.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
But that's what they said about Doge too, and then
oh oops, low and behold it's like federal spending went up.
You know, it's like.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
What, well, I think on tariffs that they want to
make this argument that there's and I'm honestly like sort
of torn about this argument that there's a long term
it's it's bigger than what's happening on any individual week,
that it's you know, big restructuring that's in the process.
But we're now that what was it April second Liberation
Day and nothing to Chrystl's point, nothing is really on
(48:04):
the books except for UK Vietnam one not looking so good,
China one up in the air, and they are back
to exactly where they were the week of April second,
which is Scott Bessett going on all of the shows
and saying, trust us, the phones are ringing off the
fuck there will be deals on deals and deals in
the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I mean, I don't know, they keep saying this stuff.
I don't think that it connects. I think a lot
of people are I think a lot of people on
the economic front, I still think that they really don't
quite get like the discontent that they successfully were able
to seize upon. I mean, remember, you know what did
the Biden people say, Oh, they look at the S
(48:48):
and P five hundred, look at GDP. Inflation is going
down and it's like, guys, that's not what actually any
of it was all about. And now they're basically in
the same position as to why, you know, things are
posedly good. So I mean, look, every president does it
to a certain extent, but I don't know, you know,
it's just galling, like when you run against these types
of things and then you basically become the same type
(49:09):
of creature who's like, oh, but look at the NASDAC
and it's like, yeah, well, obviously if in video stock correlated,
you know, with US wages, like, that's not exactly where
we would be right now, would it.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Well, and they're they're counting, they're counting on the sort
of industrial policy which they don't want to call it
that in the BBB that's now passed. So the write
offs like retroactive to January for expensing, manufacturing, building, all
of those things, and that's another thing that they need
to see, like in the next couple of months, significant
(49:42):
proof of concept.
Speaker 11 (49:44):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
All right, let's go ahead and wrap the free portion
of the show here. We're going to talk some more
about Epstein.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
We got Israel stuff, and we will we will get
to Bill Ackman for sure.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
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All right, guys, Happy Friday. Emily's working on some tech
issues over there, so start this. Kick this off with
just me and soccer. How's it going, guys?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hello, Hello, how are you everybody? It's good to see
you on Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Here.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We had a we had a fun night with the baby,
but we're still here for.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Oh boy, you want to share some details?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh, I mean nothing that any newborn parents. Oh yeah,
there's a lot of screaming. There's a lot of crying.
It's it's all right, you know. It's like one am
therapy sessions and other things that we have to deal with.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
But it's just from myer. This phase doesn't last.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Everyone's done too, It's true, and then its on to
another phase, which will also be difficult in its own ways.
But the just like endurance phase of no sleep is
you know, compared, it feels like it will last forever.
Right now, I promise you it doesn't last forever. Emily,
do we have you yet?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Let's say, yeah, there she is, She's there.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
There we go excellent.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I come to these things to hear about your lives basically,
so that's.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What everybody's here we catch up on.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We do miss having Ryan, though, because he always has
something some interesting nugget to drop on us.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Always.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yes, like that he's already ten minutes late for a meeting.
But Ryan's on his way to Ireland, so.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yes, oh wow, safe travels to him.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, we have a bunch of stuff we are going
to try to get to this morning, but I don't
think we'll get to all of this. But we've got
new Epstein stuff, in particular the Andrew Schultzen the flagrant
pod reacting to the lack of Epstein. Uh, the lack
of Epstein disclosures and closing of the case, and a
lot of interesting things. There are some Trump regrets going
(02:04):
on in that pod, so we'll dig into that. We've
also got new tariffs announced, We've got new zoron freak out.
We've got new stuff going on with Israel with immigration.
One thing I am bound and determined to get to,
but it'll probably be in the premium half of the
show is billionaire Bill Ackman apparently paid his way into
a pro tennis match in which he was obviously he's
(02:24):
what is he fifty nine years old, he's not a
pro tennis player, gets of course completely humiliated.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
The other players on the court.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It was a doubles match are just sort of like
tapping the ball to him so that it's not completely humiliating.
Andy Roddick went off on his podcast and I'm just
I'm obsessed. I enjoy watching tennis, so I'm interested in
it from that angle, But like I am endlessly fascinated
and horrified by.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
The mind of the billionaire.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Don't rely yeah golf to like you have a yeah,
I mean you.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Have, but billionaires don't play in pro because they just
attend the master, right, you know, It's like this. It's
certainly another thing. I mean again, I don't watch a
lot of tennis. I used to when I was a
lot younger, but you know, the idea that you're going
to pay your way into playing some of like the
top two or three hundred players in the world and
then force them to like lower their level of play
just to accommodate your beliefs and then post like a
(03:19):
long essay about how how like what did he say
he was? It was really scariest things I've ever done.
It's just just actually shocking.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The level is brisk, completely shocking.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Like I mean, you know, I was like a fairly
high live play, you know, swam Division one. And the
idea that that like me at this age will get
in the pool with some even a Division one, let
alone like an Olympic. It's so preposter I just I
can't even wrap my head around why you would sign
up for that level of public humiliation, which is exactly
(03:51):
what he did.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So anyway, we could talk more about that later.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
We have video, and we have an essay.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, we have videos, we have essays, we have anti
rodicks going off on I mean, he was like he
was so offended because this was part of some like,
you know, Hall of Fame matches and what and he's
obviously part of the Hall of Fame because he was
such an extraordinary American male tennis player, and so he
just felt like this was an absolute defiling of the
(04:18):
sport that he cares so much about. So in any case,
that will probably be in the premium portion. Let's go
ahead and jump into some of these clips from the
Flagrant pod. So the first one, I think the first
one I have here, yeah, is where they're specifically talking
about the promise to release the Epstein files and then
now Trump being like, I can't believe you're even why
(04:41):
are you going to bring this guy up like this creep?
Why do you even care about this guy? Let me
go ahead and play this.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We have Texas, we have this, we have all of
the things, and people say this is great.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
So we're stupid. Yeah, we're We're the fucking idiots, guys.
That is I think what is enraging people right now
is it's insulting our intelligence. Like obviously the intelligence community
is trying to cover it up. Obviously Trump administration is
trying to cover up something changed because they ran on
this idea of exposing it all. Yeah, all these guys
had great ideas. Cock Eye Cash. He was ready to
(05:19):
tear it all down. He was ready to tear down
the entire FBI.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Shut down the Hoover building day one, day one.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Then he's still standing and then he goes on Jill
Rogan and he's like, listen, do you think if I
had it, I wouldn't share it with you? I do, Yeah,
I do. I do believe that, especially when you're staring
at me like this, tell me, once you protect pedophiles,
you are the most cauc person.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So one or two things, in my mind, is it
possible One you're covering it up?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Or two nothing really happened and you exploited the of
thousands of children to get your man elected.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So which one do you want here?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
That is a very good point there at the end.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I like it, uh, And actually I really I want to.
I'm sad that Ryan's not here because he had the
best analysis for me, which was for a lot of
people specifically like podcasts online, like you know, we can't
ever determine like what percentage of the vote swung that
way to Trump, but a lot of it was ViBe's base,
and the Vibe base was of the outsider exposing the
(06:20):
insider right, and that's kind of how Kamala how Biden,
how the outsider campaign, regardless of whether you say their
establishment or not. Like, that's how it came off and
read to a lot of people. And Epstein's story is
kind of this vector where for many people they're like,
if you're gonna lie to me about this, or if
you're not going to talk about this, if you're not
gonna be honest about this, then there's all these other
(06:42):
things that you are lying to me about. And so
that's why, you know, Ben Shapiro recently.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
Was like, well, Epstein actually is you know, like the
lowest list of priorities for people. It's like nobody's saying
it's a priority. It's not like the number one thing,
but it's the extent to which you exploited it for
your political ends. I mean, in Cash and Dan Bongino's case,
they literally got rich talking about this stuff. So that's
actually extra objectionable to me. But the reason why, I mean,
(07:07):
I was listening to a Shane Gillis podcast this morning
with my friend Matt McCusker, same thing. They're like, guys, like,
this is the most bullshit thing ever. You know, They're like, oh,
I guess he's you know, totally innocent. Shane was like,
maybe you know Trump is. It's like, it's obvious Trump
is trying to cover something up. He's probably in the
Epstein file.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, this is again like it is a vector
of understanding the visceral like disgust of business as usual
and of Washington. You can critique that if you want to,
I know Michael Tracy and others have, but regardless, you know,
if you're going to sell something like this grand vision
to the American public, you either have to deliver or
if you're not going to deliver, you need an extremely
(07:45):
transparent process instead of basically boils down to trust me
bro And I do think it is an important like
vibe cultural based conversation around Donald Trump for a lot
of the people out there for who this was their
entree point into politics, which is definitely in the millions.
I'm not going to sit here and claim it's you know,
the swing voter or or any of that, but it
(08:07):
was a useful understanding and heuristic and Trump, you know
in that in that that clip, I think he's really
not going to be able to live that down for
a while because it's like you can't really come to
another conclusion of like you're covering some shit up, man,
like you're covering some up. You just can't get away
from that.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I think it was a real gateway drug to politics
for gen Z because the Epstein stuff was playing out
in COVID and when TikTok was first starting to become
extremely popular, and the gatekeepers lost a lot of their
power around the Epstein story. And so the I agree
with everything sorry just said, and want to just add
to it. The inverse here is that the implication if
you are suddenly the Trump administration that is bumbling it
(08:47):
in the most clumsy possible way. It is like a
satire the way Pam Bondi has screwed the story up,
the way cash and like they just look ridiculous. So
the inverse of that, it's not only that they were
the outsiders coming in to expose the insiders. They are
now horrible insiders, right, So it's not just that like
(09:08):
they're they're covering up, it's that they're also now like
completely complicit and really bad at it, Like it's just.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I mean from my perspective too, there was always a
weirdness in expecting that Trump was going to release the
Epstein files, because, first of all, whenever you asked about
him about it, he would give very squarely, very squarely
back when he was in office. The first time is
when Epstein killed himself and when he got asked about, hey,
what do you think about Gallaine Max while he was
on trial.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Right now, she's like, I wish her well.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
So there's that they doubled down on wishing her well.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
There's a fact like we know they were friends.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
We've got pictures of them together, we have like he
was on the flight multiple times. Epstein says they were
busties for a long time. Like there are a lot
of entangled entanglements. They're just with him, let alone with
members of his administration. You were talking about Bill Barr
and his dad givin Jeffrey Epstein his first job at
this private school, and I was like, wildly unqualified. There's
Alex Acosta who negotiated, like signed off on the sweetheart
(10:05):
deal down in Florida. Now you got Pam Bondi, who
also was implicated down in Florida. So like to me,
it was always preposterous and it was always there was
such a giant blind spot on Epstein where Trump was concerned,
because all the fixation would be on Bill Clinton, which
I'm happy to say, like, yes, he's also implicated here
as well and had the connections and Bill Gates and
all these people too, But there was just like a
(10:26):
willing blindness that Trump had anything any intermingling with this
circle whatsoever. And so now that he has not only
said okay, well there's nothing to see here, and you know,
he definitely killed himself, and here's the tapes and we're
closing all the cases into Prince Andrew and everything else.
This has done deal nothing to see here. Now, suddenly
(10:48):
people started to go like, oh, you know, he did
have all of these associations with this dude. As it
turns down, so the sort of the eyes are opening,
there's a bit of a little bit of an awakening
to what's going on here. Now in terms of the
MAGA base, they'll find a way to forgive and forget,
as they always do.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's always happening. Alex Jones is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Saying, well, first of all, there's a scapegoating of Pan Bondi,
like that's sort of the easiest the go to, like
it's never Trump's fault, it's someone around him who's sabotaging him,
blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
The other in fairness, Pam Bondi has been uniquely ridiculous
throughout this but yes, agreed, agreed, she is being scapegoated, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Free lancing and doesn't have trouble, you know, it's preposterous.
And the other one there's more convoluted, like Alex Jones
has decided that Trump is using the Epstein files to
blackmail the deep state so that he can get his
agenda done. It's like, okay, guys, sure, whatever's.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That's vintage QAnon for those of us. Oh yeah, oh yeah, aware, Yeah.
I mean I don't disagree with any of that. I
think largely it was because like, oh well, he's willing
to talk about it, so there must not be anything
going on there. I'm agreeing that that's cope, and I'm yeah, look,
this is why again the combo is important. Like you said,
Maga base, the MAGA base is going to forgive Trump
for anything. But the point is about where is the
(12:05):
culture going to go for a lot of people who
were not MAGA in any way. I mean, if you
look at gen Z right, gen Z men in particular,
I believe they voted for Trump. It's a slightly higher
percentage than at any other time before. I'm saying in
terms of even in the popular vote. Well, I do
think that these types of you know, these types of
stories were important. I don't think many of those men
(12:28):
would consider themselves MAGA in any way. If anything, they're
more of like an anti left voter or anti establishment
left voter. They're very much up for grabs, very much.
People you've talked about this, Crystal, they were Bernie Bros.
Or they were crypto Bernie Bros. In terms of they
didn't know it yet at the time. They're probably too young.
And if the Bernie movement had, let's say, stayed the course,
they would have been Bernie guys. You know, if they
(12:49):
had stayed with the course, Bernie gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, Burnie, Yeah, we know about the Bernie to Trump pipeline.
Now we may be getting the Trump to Bernie pipeline
or the yaye.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So also on that podcast, Andrew Schultz said, Hey, listen,
the only people that seem to me like they're really
America first. Are the DSA types like Bernie and Zora,
And let's go ahead and take a listen to that.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
The only party right now that to me seems America
first is the Democrat Socialist Party. Yep, Bernie is America first.
Mom Donnie and all his ideas that he will not
be able to execute it, and I frankly think many
of them are not good ideas, but he is, no
doubt New York first. The policies seem to want to
(13:32):
help people here. That's what I care about. If MAGA
wants to take this America first thing.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I love the dramatic music they put with us.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, yeah, that's They have a very good social media team.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
You do.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You have to handy to.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
Them one lie, which is Epstein did not have a
blackmail ring on all these very influential people, and by
saying that that didn't happen, you have to tell a
lot of other little lies everyone.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
That's exactly what I was saying. Yeah, yeah, and we're
starting to see right through right now, and it's just embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So the reason that's exactly it. That's a good clip
because it also demonstrates the Israel issue. And this is
why the Epstein and the Israel issue are both intertwined.
Not only quite literally whenever it comes to Mosad, but
if you look, I mean again, I hate to bring
it back to Shane and all these other guys, but
they are cultural touchstones, like we have to be honest.
Tires was one of the biggest shows in America. Shane
(14:24):
is probably the second biggest comedian in the United States,
behind like Joe Rogan or Dave Chappelle, maybe even the
biggest if you look at ticket sales and others. But
for him, you know, I recently saw this clip where
he was like celebrating whenever Trump would, you know, like oh,
We're gonna not bomb Iron, but then when he was like,
oh and there Trump is back because he was saying
Bbie should not be prosecuted. There is like an America first,
(14:47):
like disgust at the obsession over Israel and the view
that we are Israel's pawn, you know, in this great game.
And so there's the policy level, and then there's also
the general vibe level where again with mom don and
I can't get away from this. The way that he
was able to frame him to frame the others as
obsessed with Israel and issues that have nothing to do
(15:10):
with New York is one of the most important things
that has happened in politics. You talk about this recently, Crystal,
about the defeat. I mean, this is the largest Jewish
city in America, right in New York City, the largest
Jewish population, or not even in America, in the whole world.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And so I think Tel Aviv is the only city
in the world it has a larger population Jewish population, right.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So outside of Tel Aviv, you know, to have him
get elected on the back of I would stay here
in New York. That is again you know, look at
the way the Andrew message and all of that. That's
important And maybe we'll talk about this later with you know,
like the news that like Joe Rogan is telling Trump
not to do mass deportation and all of that is
it's not policy based. It is a connection between the
(15:51):
politician and the voter. As Yeah, we may ask some disagreements.
You know, I may not even take all this some
of the stuff you say so seriously, but I do
think you're fin for me. This is something again why
it's so crazy for Trump. This was Trump's genius of
the twenty sixteen campaign, and inside exactly, I was like,
I'm fighting for you. You know what did he say? He's like,
they're there. It's not they're coming for me. They're coming
(16:13):
for you, like I forgot for me.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
They're coming for you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But that was, you know, that was visceral actually for
a lot of people. It was in a major part
of a lot of the ads, especially after the Butler
you know, assassination attempt. And I think what they're doing
is they're kind of seeding it away, you know. It's
I don't know if they said it in that clip.
There might be another clip also where Scheltz said this.
But he was like, because he doesn't just talk about
(16:37):
Epstein and about Israel, he was talking about the big
beautiful bill, right, So all of these things compound on
each other. Yeah, let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Let me play this and I'll get your reaction all
this time.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah, over again.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
And this is my theory with like our politicians individually corrupt,
like perhaps, but I wonder if just the throne is
like the institution, the systems in place are inherently kind
of corrupt, and so you can have people like cash,
who's probably like working in good faith while he's campaigning
and like on the build up and like all this
time as as a prosecutor for the state, like he's
(17:10):
like doing good work and then gets into role, gets
bred in on a brief and goes all right, never
you know what I mean? Like, I like, to me,
that seems like the most logical thing.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I believe that about Trump.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
I believe when Trump everything he campaigned on, I believe
he wanted to do, and now he's doing the exact
opposite thing.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I know what he's done exactly. Your point if you
tell me, it's easier for me to believe you you
wanted to do all these things if any of them
were happening in the way that you said.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
To that point, Like, there will be people that are like,
they'll do me and be like you see what you
see what your boy doing.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
You voted for this. I'm like, I voted for none
of this.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You're doing the opposite of everything I voted for.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I want him to stop the wars he's funding them.
I want him to shrink spending.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
He's increasing it.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
It's like everything that he said he's going to do,
accept sending.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Immigrants back everything.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
And now he's even.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Flip flopped on that, which I kind of like. But
he's like, oh well, we kind of need the people
working around and we need a farmer. It's like everything
that he said that he was going to.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Do that he can can't put he said, which was important,
and I thought it was good you pressed him on it.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
You got to.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Start with the criminals in terms of reporting.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't think. I don't even know if the criminals
are getting sent back. I know there's a lot of
people with gris, people with green cars getting sent back.
There's people who aren't criminals getting sent back. I don't
know if you're sending back the criminals first you never
had it enough first. I don't if you're sending them.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Back at all. So what do you think of that, Emily, Well,
I just have to say this contrasts so starkly with
the mood of Republicans in Washington and should be strayed
incredible dose of cold water, because they are riding very high.
They feel great about the big beautiful bill having things
like no tax on tips. They feel very good about
it having no tax on overtime. And we could get
(18:52):
into the nuances of those policies, but they feel like
they're on the cusp of something in Gaza and that
Trump has all of them mentum in the world that
I really can't state enough how that represents the way
MAGA feels right now and the way the Republican Party
here feels right now.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
They have the wind at their backs, that's what they think.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And meanwhile, the vibes are not anywhere near where they are.
And Sager, I actually think part of what you talked
about with Tucker Carlson this week, you made a very
interesting point that the conversation you both were having on
his show about ten years ago might not have been
happening in any mainstream way whatsoever in the depth and
(19:34):
with the level of scrutiny and skepticism of the establishment
that exists. And I think the Trump world believes that
they have way more control over the discourse and the vibes.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Then that's a great point, you know, actually, to pick
up on that. It's true. I have been struck by
the exact same feeling with people are reaching out to
me and be like, oh, why are you so down
on Trump? And I was like, man, you guys just
don't get it, like you guys think that this big
Beautiful Bill thing and this Iran thing. They're like hoovering
up all of this Maga cope from Charlie Kirk's Twitter feed.
(20:08):
And you know the irony is, if you actually listen closely,
if you listen to the Charlie Kirk Show and all
of that, there's not nearly as much of this whole
trust Trump thing.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Ba.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I actually think it's a kind of a similar dynamic
to how Democrats had the Twitter is not real life problem.
It's because maga has become such a ubiquitous like force
on Twitter, and there's like all of these like blue
check weird accounts that are just constantly posting like Trump
wins or any of these other things that they just
(20:37):
really believe a lot of their own bs like you,
they actually think the Big Beautiful Bill is popular. It's shocking.
I was like, I was like, I do not know
what you guys are smoking to think that there is
any level of like the enthusiasm for this beyond like
what they're happy about is they're like, look at our
legislative victory, Like we got thrist through the house. I'm like, bro,
(20:59):
you're having a prop says conversation. Nobody a fuck about that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You know, it's like they care about what they call
that like epistemic closure, where there's just no ability for
other information to penetrate because it's like point, you've decided
that poles don't like reflect reality. So even though every
pole is like this thing is underwater forty points with independence,
that's just completely discarded. They're like, yeah, but there was
a cat turned pole that said whatever you know, right well.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Or yeah, but when people see it in their pocket books,
they'll be happy, Like that's a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
That's the cope.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And then, you know, because you have this like closed
media ecosystem, and then Trump, you know, it is not
only a billionaire but also is the president of the
United States and has gone out of his way to
have nothing but just like the most embarrassing sickophants around him.
And yes, man, he's certainly not getting any accurate information
and so and you know, I haven't heard I don't know.
(21:53):
I don't watch War Room every day, but I haven't
heard Steve Vannon every criticizing the Big Beautiful Bill since
it passed. Oh yeah, in advance, he was sounding the
alarm about like, hey, a lot of maga are on Medicaid,
and hey, maybe we should like actually increase the taxes
on the ridge. Now this past he's basically shut up
as far as I can tell. And so even though
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the messaging against this bill is so obvious of like
they're taking your healthcare to fund a tax cut for
the rich. Even though that's such a layup, even Hakeem
Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer can figure it out, they're just
so closed off from reality that they don't see it whatsoever.
And then you know, there's also just like a yellow
quality to this administration.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I don't know if Trump is planning to run again
third term.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't know what's going on there, but he's put
the immigration bucket firmly in Steven mm's hands. You know,
we'll talk maybe, I'm not sure if we're going to
get to all this later or not. There was this
Washington Post report that Joe Rugan was like, hey, you know,
can we like dial it back with the farm workers
and the whatever. Well, there's footage today of a massive
rate including like helicopters and militarized vehicles and whatever on
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a farm.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So Steven M. A week's got alligator, marijuana farm help Zager.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But in any case, you've got alligator Alcatraz, you've got Seacot,
Like clearly he's just like Steve and m you do
your thing over there, and there seems to not really
be any care or concern even for whether any of
this is going to be politically palatable to the masses.
And so that's been that's been my biggest surprise from
(23:27):
Rogan Schultz and others is the discomfort with the immigration,
with the deportation policy, because you could say a lot
of things about like so, for example, on the Ukraine War,
Trump has definitely been different than was advertised, right, you
could say, you know, on cutting Medicaid, that's certainly different
than advertised. Like, you know, there are things that I
(23:48):
could say, Okay, this is a little different than what
was portrayed on the campaign trail, even though I would say,
if you look at the first term, you could have known,
but okay, put that aside on grace there on immigration,
like they had massias now science, I agree with your NC.
How did you not know and if you just knew
like the most basic facts about the immigrant population, the
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idea that there was this mass like millions of criminals
that they're going to be able to deport preposterous. And
then to the point of Andrew and I'm not sure
who was talking in that club about like yeah, Akosh
was saying, like, I don't even know if they're shipping
out criminals.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
He's actually right about that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
There's new reporting about it is much easier if you're
just going for numbers.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's much easier to just.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Go to the farm, go to the home depot, go
to the garment factory, go to like wherever immigrants tend
to cluster. And these are predominantly law abiding, you know,
people who you know have been in the country for
some amount of time. It takes more resources and more
time to track down the criminal gang member. So the
directions have come from Steven Miller directly and are being interpreted,
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you know, down to the agent level of like you
can't you don't have time to pursue those cases because
we just need to get the numbers up, which means
that actually far few were criminal undocumented immigrants are being
swept up and detained. It is much more of a
numbers game of where can we go to get the
largest number in the shortest amount of time.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Well, I mean, I think that could have been true
before the one hundred and seventy five billion if it
stands like you know, we really are not like quite.
I don't know yet. I read the same Nick miroof
Atlantic article that you're referencing there that was jet prior
to the passage of the bill, which massively of course
funds like cbp ICE and all of these other places.
But I do agree in terms of I mean, this
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is part of the issue. Look, no offense, many of
these people are my friends. But this is part of
the problem with vibes based voting, right, because what you're
really reacting is you're reacting against Biden border chaos, and
you're not taking a lot of this stuff actually literally
and seriously, I did a monologue you'll probably remember, Crystal,
where I was like, Hey, if you are voting on issues,
(25:53):
I was like, here's how you should vote, And I
can't stress enough how much people don't vote that way
and then express surprise and shock whenever these things actually
do happen. And this, you know, I mean, unfortunately, that's
just like the way a lot of the country votes.
That's how it was during George W. Bush, like mister
I would like to have a beer with him. And
(26:15):
it's like, oh, well that doesn't actually have anything to
do with Iraq, but whatever, well point, I guess, sorry ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well, I was just saying, there's one other piece I
do want to say though about the Democratic Party, which
is you know, we played that clip of him being like, hey,
the people who seem like their most American versus DSA.
It really I mean, it's it's one data point, but
it really does expose the foolishness of thinking it's gonna
be like Dean Phillips and Alyssa slot Kid.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yes, bring back the bros, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And so this old model of politics of oh, the
way to win them back is to like go to
the center and to be more corporate friendly whatever. It's like, No,
that's the polar opposite. Zoraon Mamdani won the bros overwhelmingly
of all races and classes, like it was a generational shift,
and the bros freaking loves Zorn. You liked Zoron, like Rogan.
(27:01):
The thing that he knew about Zoron was that moment
on the debate stage where he was like, I'm going
to stay here.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I'm not going to Israel.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So you know, there's I think there's something very important
in that, even as you don't want to take like
you know, the vibes of one particular podcast comedian, but
when you look at the data that is emblematic of
like if you actually win these want to win these
guys back, it's no mystery what you need, what direction
you need to go. And so instead of like fighting
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Zoron tooth and nail and trying to destroy him, maybe
there's something to learn here from this person who was
like uniquely charismatic and has a policy platform that people
really were excited about and find him personally compelling.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I also think it's a good important lesson for the left,
and this is something I was talking about yesterday with Zoron.
But you know what the right wing attacks right now
are like Zoron is a Muslim foreigner, right, and it's like, no,
like Zoron is actually a very interesting study in the
modern American left. From wearing shalwar camies and flip off
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Christopher Columbus and saying defund the police is putting in
a codical glove to like and yeah, and to now
wearing a suit and talking about new York first going
on the Abundance podcast and then also talking and you
know recently he was like, yeah, sure, maybe I'll keep
the New York City Police commissioner. But like to me,
(28:22):
like Zoron, feels as if he's talking about New York,
which is in itself the opposite of being some sort
of like foreign interloper, right, And so there is something
that important too. Again, if you do want to talk
and take the Sheltz thing and try and extrapolate it
out into an American context. By the way, I mean,
it's not just Schultz, it's Rogan. Like you talked about
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Tucker and my conversation, we were both praising Zoron for
his answer specifically about this, Well, what does it come
down to? Be American? Like, it's actually about being and
defending America as a concept and not some sort of
like transnational you know, leftism and liberalism, which at its
worst of the Democratic Party back in the two thousand,
(29:03):
if you know to the extent that there was a
ViBe's based shift against immigration, it was like there for you,
there for them, and they're not for you. I still
think a lot of that is very true. But you know,
if you do want us to overcome that message, you
have to sell it in an American context and not
in terms of feeling like sympathy for subgroups DEI and
foreigners as opposed to your own citizens. This again is
(29:26):
the vibe context to which Trump was able to win
the immigration debate. I still don't think that the left
or liberals have really like squared that circle. They can try,
and that should be a project in my opinion of
them for the next three and a half years, like
if they do want to win. But the reason why
I think that they're the strongest and why Akosh specifically
sided there about the green card example, and Emily you
(29:48):
noted free speech. This is why the Khalil case matters, right,
because you run on free speech and then you go
to you go to Europe, you know, and you and
you lecture them, and then we're banning guys for having
memes of JD on their phone. We're like, what the
fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And then same with the Khalil thing. We're like, Yo,
this guy and Oz Turk are getting deported for co
signing and op ed that nobody read about BDS at
Tufts University. You're like this is insane. This is totally insane.
I talked to here about that coffee shop case. I
didn't have a chance to messure this on Tucker. Have
I mentioned it here before that the DJ is suing
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this coffee shop in Los Angeles because they they had
a drink or whatever that said that like quote unquote
celebrated Hamas. And it's like, yo, this is like going
after that baker who wouldn't bake that cake for gays.
I was like, that's not this is the same bullshit,
you know. I'm like, by the way, I stand with
the baker.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
And I stand with the coffee game to gay wedding.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yes, the gay wedding. Sorry, yeah, gay the gay wedding.
But it's like, okay, like let them do whatever the
fuck they want to do. You know, it's it's not
a civil rights violation. This is ridiculous, And like that's
that is, you know, to the hijack point about free
speech and specifically on immigration. I think that's a very
very useful one, you know, for a lot of these
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for a lot of like the Democratic Party and the
modern left, to be able to point out, you know,
that extent not to mention the economic piece of all
of this where the big beautiful bill comes in. So
I've been thinking about this a lot, and that's why
I think Zorn really is such an important candidate. And
just the way the right is reacting to him, like
in the way that they're calling him those like, you know,
Muslim Marxist, It's like, it's like, guys, what, yeah, it.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Was just.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's so funny. It's so funny to Indians because I'm like, yo,
this is the prototypical liberal Shia. Like to me, he's
got a sufie vibe. You know, his mom directed Kama
Sutra like spiritually their shit libs compared to even like
conservative Hindus like us. So to call them, uh list list,
(31:56):
it's so so funny to anybody who's like remotely in
the night.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Like, to me, he's an American character, and uh yeah,
if you're an American leftist, you should model yourself off Zor.
Zorn feels American, he feels New York. That's the way
that he talks, that's the way that he looks. You know,
he's studied. Obviously, he's very smart guy. He's probably read
a decent amount of history in the way that you
actually actionalize these moments and that that is very much. Man,
(32:22):
it really is a damn shame he can't run for president.
Like if he won New York, he should just immediately announce,
like the next day, because I don't I don't know
if he would win per se, But like, damn, it
would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It really I think he would really happen. He's just talented.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, he's good, he's smart, you.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Know, political sense, Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And but he knows people know.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I guarantee you Zoron and I would not get along.
But but it's like I have to respect I.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Have to people like that.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Like if you met him personally, I guarantee you actually
would get along.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I mean him on he was great, we were he
was easy to talk.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
There's a there's a cultural element here that people aren't
reading into.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I'm joking, bringing his cultural baggage to the table here.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, I just I respect him as a politician.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, Emily, we go ahead with any of that, and
then we can we can actually skip ahead to a
little bit of zor On stuff and then come back
to the Epstein stuff because there is a bunch of
let me, let me play this saw of Dean Phillips,
why don't we do that saying that there's no room
in the party for both him and Zoron, which is
just like very self defeating on a lot of levels.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
So let me go ahead and let's take of this.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
The current DNC chair Ken Martin Fellow Minnesota use used
you as an example in saying the party is a
big ten they can welcome people from from different ideological,
geographic perspectives. I think he used the example of you
couldn't win a race in ilhan Omar's district and she
couldn't win a race in yours. Is there a room
for you and Mamdani in the Democratic Party?
Speaker 10 (33:56):
You know?
Speaker 11 (33:56):
I think it's a It's a fine question. I think
it's one that many Republicans been asking about whether there's
room for traditional conservatives and a party now led by
mega Republicans like Donald Trump. The answer, ultimately, I think
is no. We do share many of the same values.
In fact, most Americans share a lot of the same values.
But as a political party, yes, you want diversity, you
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want some differences of opinion, perspective, life story, politics, and experience.
But when you have socialists. When you have socialists in
the Democratic Party, I don't know how anybody could argue
that that would be beneficial for the party or for
the country. There in lies the great challenge, same thing
on the right, Omar is mega the future of the
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Republican Party. If it is, there is going to be
a new, grand, successful third party in America because the
overwhelming majority of Americans want neither far left or far
right politics. They want decency, they want common sense, competency,
and cooperation, and no party right now is elevating candidates
who represent those ideals.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I saw people sharing this with the news clip about
the time that Dean Phillips showed up at an event
and literally no one was there, combined with the video
that Zora and just put out where he's trying to
record one of his trademark videos and he's just being
mobbed for like selfies and like, oh my.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
God, I love you, I voted for you, You're the best.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Let me get a selfie, let me you know, so
in any case which direction Democratic Party, But.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I mean, so he is he just said something that
is so true, and I have to defend Dean Phillips
on this point, which is that neither party is putting
forward candidates that respond to what people actually want. This
I am sorry to do this again, Sager, but you
also made this point when you were talking about the
America Party, which oh.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, we talked about yesterday on the show.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Which is yeah, but this is exactly They always think
that the third Party is the third way party, right,
that it's the party of austerity and compromise and centrism.
But what people actually want is very different than what
any type of billionaire elite Dean Philip sort of a
NEPO baby thinks that actually they need that what voters
(36:05):
actually want, So it's not responsive to what people actually want.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Here's my other thing is like, you know, he's like, oh,
he's a socialist, so that's not compatible. I really I'm
trying to get an interview with Tom Swazi, who has
like a similar Zoran critique.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I really want to ask him.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Okay, which of these policies do you find to be
completely out of bounds that you can't even exist in
the state, Like, okay, put the label aside. Who cares
what he calls himself? Is it the free buses which
are supported by like seventy percent of New Yorkers. Is
it free and affordable daycare, which is like also wildly popular?
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
You know, the rent freeze on already rent controlled apartments?
Like what is it that is so outrageous? Is it
five publicly owned grocery stores? Like what are we talking
about here? That's so crazy that you can't exist in
the same party.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
And we all know what.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
The real answer was, is is real? Or if Zorn
had the right answers on Israel? Dean Phillips wouldn't have
an issue, a bunch of the Kirsten Gillibrand wouldn't have
an issue. Richie Torres wouldn't have an issue. All these people,
John Fetterman, we're so panicked and upset because he's a socialist.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Now it's not about him being a Zodia.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
They exist alongside Ilhan Omar and AOC.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah right, you are upset because he wouldn't back down
with your lull you know, oh, well, does Israel have
a right to exist as a Jewish state? And he's like,
how about a state with equal rights? Or you know
that he supports bds, or that he didn't back down
when they asked him, which is not even something he
said like, hey, how about globalize the end to fada?
Will you condemn this language? And he's like, no, here's
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where it comes from. And I'm not in the business
of word policing. The fact that he wouldn't bend at
all on any of those things when he was pressed
and like under fire, that's what they actually it's not
the free buses, like they don't like that. So but
it's not that. It's not that it is Israel and
Dean Phillips cannot see him self existing in the same
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party as someone who says everyone should have equal rights
within Israel and the status quo is apart tid and
this is a genocide and it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
That's why it's just so Propolan. You know, I had
high hopes for Dean, as people remember, because Dean had
an opportunity. Uh no, for real, he was the Cassandra
on Biden's age. He could have played that well. He
could have done the Obama two thousand and two thing
where he's like, I was the only guy who came
and spoke out against the war when it wasn't popular.
I mean, that was that's credibility, you know, even whenever
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it didn't nobody cared about Obama's speech at the time.
Is a state senator, who was he even talking about
Iraq for But that's political talent, that's political entrepreneurship. And
Dean is independently wealthy. You know, he could have finance ered,
you know, played it into something different. But unfortunately, since then,
he's become like a weird like Elon fanboy and then
you know, he was like anti Biden, but now you know,
(38:54):
trying to defining himself on the axis of Israel, and
it's like, dude, like that's just not that that's not
what the base wants or needs right now, you know,
not only in terms of the Democratic Party, but that's
not where the political future is if you're like looking
at the tide. So it's actually very unfortunate for somebody who,
I think, if he played his cards differently, had a
real opportunity. But I mean, maybe it just shows even
(39:18):
his run against Biden wasn't really about you know, principle
or whatever, Like it wasn't like it was just a
vanity campaign at the time, which well, let's kind of sad.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, let's take the cynical read on it and keep
playing with that thread that cynically, he was smart enough
to see where the wind was blowing.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
I mean, he's from Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
You talk to normal people in Minnesota a year and
a half ago and they were like.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Hey, is the president dead right?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
And so he was at least smart enough and like
understood that it would age well. Uh No, pun intended
to question the president's health, that like that there would
be a reckoning on that. What it shows now is
that he's he's not smart or either smart enough or
willing to see where the window's blowing on this particular issue.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
With the base.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Can I tell you what I firmly believe happened with
Dean Phillips because we interviewed him multiple times. I have
interviewed him on KKF, we interviewed him on breaking points.
When he first got in against Biden, he realized that
the opening was to the left. And so even though
he'd just been like a run of the mill voting
for Biden's agenda, like very centrist politician, he moved himself
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to the left. And remember he talked about like I
had these conversations and I realized we need to be
more economically populist. And then when it came to Israel.
That was just like, you know, that was a place
he was not willing to go. And I had some
pretty like you know, heated exchanges with him over exactly that.
(40:46):
And I think that the Israel position has really kind
of driven an increasing like right wing shift from Dean
Phillips because and this is something you see happen all
the time. It's like this is one issue that's like
central to his identity. Sees the people that he's aligned with,
they're more on the right, and it is just like
any semblance of oh I'm going to become more progressively,
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all of that is gone because it's all sort of
being driven by his commitment to Israel. And you see
this with like, you know, Fetterman, Richie Torres, various a
lot of characters on the right who see their unwillingness
to give any credence to Palestinian's right to like exist
and live. They see that as like they're standing up
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to the woke mob, and that becomes sort of like
core to their identity. And so you know, that's how
you end up in this place where you think you're
being a renegade by literally towing the line of the
Trump administration. The Biden administration, like Apak, you know, all
of these very powerful, well organized entities, and you think
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somehow you're being a renegade, but that really is. I
think that is exactly the trajectory that played out with
Dean Phillips, where he started off thinking, oh, I need
to get to the left, and then it just ran
into the Israel wall and his whole political identity sort
of shapes and forms around that.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
Also a good example of the first.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
I'm missing missing the vibes. Yeah, they think that, like
the the khalil Os Turk stuff, at least at the
time they thought it was playing well.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
I know, I talked to them about it. Yeah, oh yeah,
oh yeah, I talked to them about it. I said,
what the fuck do you think you guys are doing?
I said, do you just not understand like the disconnect
that's happening here? And they're like, oh, you're out of touch.
You know, you've been spending too much time with her.
I said, all right, you know, we'll see, we'll check in.
That's that's always what I say. And uh blow and behold.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
You know, it's so funny because you know, three years ago.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
They like, hey, man, can I get Joe Rogan's number, Andrew.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
And I was like, oh, yeah, it's like, you know,
maybe some of us know a little bit about where
things go, but uh, look they don't listen. They're they're
huffing up fo. Trump is actually more addicted to Fox
today than at any time before. That's what I hear, really,
and it is. It's crazy actually because he has to
be brought like printouts of people's tweets who disagree with it.
(43:07):
That's kind of how he keeps up with like Laura
Lumer or any of these other people. That's because people
will print these things out and they'll kind of show him.
That's the extent to which he engages with the online world.
And it's just so funny because yeah, he doesn't know.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
Stuff he does not know. Yeah, ja exact reason.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
JD and the rest of them can't be forgiven on
this because they're actually online there by the way, they're
probably more online than that I am or the rest
of them, Like they are, they do and so for them,
it's like I just don't get, you know, where a
lot of this cope and stuff comes from and how
they think that people are just gonna sit there and
take it, especially they really believe that these podcast guys
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were like useful idiots that they could just like sit
and glaze them. And you know, I've already watched basically
all of them turn in some way. I don't know
if you guys saw, like theo Vonne in an episode
after JD was on, he was like, yeah, I really
hated his answer on Palenteer or something. I was like, wow,
you know, I mean you could see it, like all
of them are starting to get like this kind of
(44:09):
like gross vibe. And you know, look these there at
the end of the day, like they rose independently and
they have independent income streams. They're not mainstream media. They
don't care about the connections to a certain extent or access,
and they thought it was cool to have Trump on
and that's mostly what it was really all about. And
so you know, you can only like take them and
take advantage of him. I guess, like so many times before,
(44:30):
they're like yeah, man, like I really don't like a
lot of the stuff that you're doing. And I think
that's really starting to permeate in the call. I mean,
Tucker is another example. I mean, you know, it's like
that's there's the most critical comments you probably ever hear,
and uh yeah, I just put all that stuff together
and I see things just blown in a very very
different direction. But the White House, it cannot be emphasized enough.
(44:52):
Like Emily said, they think this is they're on cloud nine,
like they are, like, we are winning. It's never been better.
The Epstein thing is a blip, you know. Anybody not
on the team is just a loser, you know, panic
in whatever. The polls are fake. And I'm just like, okay,
I mean maybe that's a good transition to Canada. Crystal
(45:12):
about to slap you know, I mean, this is insanity.
This is that was the lowest in terms of his
economic approval was during the Mexico Canada tariff war. He's like, oh, actually, yolo,
let's go right back to it. For what reason nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Starting August first, we're gonna charge Canada tariff thirty five
percent on Canadian products sent into the US.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Still the ones that.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Are you know, part of the US Canada Mexico Trade
Agreement are exempted. But this is you know, an increase
from the previous terriffs that have been levied on Canada
and obviously comes in a week when some what like
twenty two countries just got likes of random tariffs slapped
on them. I don't know if you guys saw I
was just reading this morning the Vietnam. Vietnam was one
of two countries that we had a quote unquote deal with. Now,
(45:56):
neither of these, the other one being the UK. Neither
of these really was like fleshed out. But it was like, Okay,
we've got an outline of something that we can package
and concept to plan.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Now that the Vietnamese are like, you just put a
different terif on us than what we even had been
talking about, Like what the fuck we and now we're
not even agreeing with your concept of a theory of
a plan thing. What is going on? So yeah, I
mean it's just complete madness. And I think at this
point Wall Street is just priced in, like the taco trade,
(46:28):
you know, they're just like, ah, he's doing this. Now,
next week it'll be off again. Who cares none if
it's ultimately gonna matter, but at some point it's going
to matter. At some point if you're just slapping fifty
percent tariffs on Brazil and thirty five percent on Canada
and this country in that country and whatever. At some
point that adds up to having a real impact on
the real economy and on mostly working class people who
(46:50):
will be the ones who you know, disprepared portionately bear
the burden of this.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, and I think that I think again they're misreading
it in terms of because the way they look at
the story, it's, oh, everybody panicked and the s and P.
I mean, the Nasdaq closed it all time high right
on Friday and videos at fortunate and they're like, see,
we're totally vindicated. I'm like, guys, really vindicated because you taco,
because you always back down, right, It's like, it's not
(47:15):
because of yourlice. Way, yeah, by the way, keep going.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
But they would well, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, well,
but I was gonna say that their argument is that
the taco is the part of the taco is the strategy, because.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
What are we getting out of this nothing?
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Yes, I'm always say is that's what they would respond
is like this.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
But that's what they said about Doge too, and then
oh oops, low and behold it's like federal spending went up.
You know, it's like.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
What, well, I think on tariffs that they want to
make this argument that there's and I'm honestly like sort
of torn about this argument that there's a long term
it's it's bigger than what's happening on any individual week,
that it's you know, big restructuring that's in the process.
But we're now that what was it April second Liberation
Day and nothing to Chrystl's point, nothing is really on
(48:04):
the books except for UK Vietnam one not looking so good,
China one up in the air, and they are back
to exactly where they were the week of April second,
which is Scott Bessett going on all of the shows
and saying, trust us, the phones are ringing off the
fuck there will be deals on deals and deals in
the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I mean, I don't know, they keep saying this stuff.
I don't think that it connects. I think a lot
of people are I think a lot of people on
the economic front, I still think that they really don't
quite get like the discontent that they successfully were able
to seize upon. I mean, remember, you know what did
the Biden people say, Oh, they look at the S
(48:48):
and P five hundred, look at GDP. Inflation is going
down and it's like, guys, that's not what actually any
of it was all about. And now they're basically in
the same position as to why, you know, things are
posedly good. So I mean, look, every president does it
to a certain extent, but I don't know, you know,
it's just galling, like when you run against these types
of things and then you basically become the same type
(49:09):
of creature who's like, oh, but look at the NASDAC
and it's like, yeah, well, obviously if in video stock correlated,
you know, with US wages, like, that's not exactly where
we would be right now, would it.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Well, and they're they're counting, they're counting on the sort
of industrial policy which they don't want to call it
that in the BBB that's now passed. So the write
offs like retroactive to January for expensing, manufacturing, building, all
of those things, and that's another thing that they need
to see, like in the next couple of months, significant
(49:42):
proof of concept.
Speaker 11 (49:44):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
All right, let's go ahead and wrap the free portion
of the show here. We're going to talk some more
about Epstein.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
We got Israel stuff, and we will we will get
to Bill Ackman for sure.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
In the premium version.
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