7/17/25: Trump Says Epstein Files A Hoax, MAGA Pollster Dire Warning, Israel Bombs Syria, Markets Panic, Zohran Meets NYC Billionaires

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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Trump making some more wild comments about Epstein and trashing
his own supporters. We've also got some reaction to that.
Alex Jones is now wondering if maca Maybe is in.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Fact a cult. Yeah, he is, asking, he's going through it.
We'll share that with you.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
We've also got some interesting pulling from some Republican polsters
in particular about how people are feeling about all of this.
We have some very significant international news. Israel bombing Damascus
an extraordinary escalation there really wild situation, complete siop. Effectively,
we'll break it all down for you what led to
this and what they're saying. Trump is flirting with firing
the Fed chair apparently brought a bunch of Republicans in,

(01:15):
reportedly even drafted a letter, but Jerome Powell remains in
place as of right now. Zornmm Dannie sits down with
business leaders in New York. Some interesting reaction to that
New York Times total whiff on another Democratic primorus is
kind of a funny and enraging the story all in one.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
And we're gonna have.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Michael Tracy join us for a little little debate on
whether or not Epstein was an Intel asset. I'm going
to play the neutral moderator. Obviously like my side, but
I'm going to try to play the neutral moderator, so
it's just a one on one rather than you know,
stacking the deck against Michael Tracy.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
But that should be a good one. He's going in.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I like Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I personally think that he's being a contrarian for the
sake of it. But we will keep it respectful and
we will make it so that look, I just want
to lay out the case and I'll have him respond
to what that case is. Personally, I think he's arguing
against a lot of straw man. But before we get
to that, thank you to everybody who's been signing up
and supporting us at breakingpoints dot com. We've got a
lot of people coming in on the Epstein story, which
we are very very glad to have you. We're doing

(02:12):
as much, you know, work on this as we possibly can,
and it is great to be back here at the desk.
We've got some interesting stuff that's coming up. I was
on the Flagrant podcast with Andrew Schultz. I think the
podcast drops at some point today. And actually I also
filmed something with the Flagrant guys, interviewing them about reflections
on the Trump interview, promises, some of their criticism, etc.

(02:33):
And so that will be dropping later on and that,
of course, we'll be dropping first for our premium subscriber.
So if you want to waunch that, you can go ahead.
Breakingpoints dot Com very excited to see all.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, it'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
All right, let's go ahead and start with the Epstein story.
So Trump is at this point, what is it? Quinn
tippling down. Quin tippling down. I think Quintipple is the factor,
the math factor that we're in right now, basically trashing
his own supporters, saying everybody that is interested in the
story is stupid. Is that they are falling for a
Democratic plan. Is that the files, to the extent that

(03:04):
they ever existed, were actually in Obama hoax. Is what
he had to say.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
He's dead, He's gone, And all it is is the Republicans.
Certain Republicans got duped by the Democrats, and they're following
a Democrat playbook and no different than Russia, Russia, Russian,
all the other hoaxes they're started by the Democrats. Is
by the way, I think the biggest scandal, that's the

(03:28):
scandal they should be talking about, not Jeffrey Epstein. The
standle you should be talking about is the autopen because
I think it's the biggest scandal one of them in
American history. There's a lot of faith in certain people. Yeah,
I'd lost because they got duped by the Democrats. The
Democrats are good for nothing. They've done a terrible job.

(03:50):
They almost destroyed our contract.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
Would you consider.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
Appointing a special council to investigate the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
I have nothing to do with.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It, So that part is very important.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
First of all, you know, basically saying it's an Obama
hoax and I had nothing to do with it. Initially
there was some maga cope basically saying, oh, don't worry,
He's going to appoint a special prosecutor. Seems to be
you know, basically drifting very far away from that. But
I mean, we got to combine this really with the
actual truth social post that he made yesterday, which really

(04:21):
really trash a lot of his supporters.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Let's put this up there on the screen. Here's what
he writes. Quote.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
The radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again, just
like the fake and fully discredited Steele dossier, the lying
fifty one intelligence agents laptop from Hell, which the dem
swar had come from Russia. No, it came from Hunter
Biden's bathroom, and even Russia Russia Russia scam itself a
totally fake and made up story use in order to
hide Crooked Hillary's big loss than twenty sixteen election. These

(04:47):
scams and hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at.
It's all they have. There's no good at governing. Okay,
I'm going to continue now. Their new scam is what
we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my
past supporters have bought into this bullshit in quotes hook line,
and Sinker. They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will,
even after being conned by the Louden take left for

(05:07):
the eight long years, I've had more success in six months,
et cetera. He continues, what does he say these people
want to talk about with strong prodding by the fake
news and the success star of Dems is the Jeffrey
Epstein hoax. Let these weaklings continue forward and do Democrats work.
Don't even think about taking talking of our incredible and
unprecedented success. I don't want their support anymore. Thank you

(05:28):
for their attention to this matter. Make America great again.
So he talks about his quote past supporters have potted
into this bullshit about how he doesn't want their support anymore.
And I mean, look, the guy's making it as clear
as it gets right, And I think, again, you know
the reason why all this stuff kind of matters and
talking about it all week is that the you know,

(05:48):
the prism of Epstein was one in which you know,
Trump successfully, I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I would say he seized.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
On that along with a lot of the Maga movement
to show everybody how it was out siders versus insiders.
And it was very important, right because it fit with
the deep state and you know, the prosecutions that were
against them, and it was really like, you know, they're
they're not coming after me, they're coming after you, and
these very very high level people in power, and it

(06:15):
was like talking about corruption and it revealed really in
which the way the world worked and how they the
you know, quote unquote Maga and the Trump movement and
all of that was like this renegade band of outsiders
coming in to destroy and then really what you watch
is like the complete flip that happens in their rhetoric
and just becoming you know, new boss the same as

(06:35):
the old boss. So I really can't think I can
overstate like how important that prism is.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like no one is saying that this is the most.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Important thing, but when you put it all together, when
you put you know, the Iran strikes, the Ukraine policy,
the tax bill, so much of the way governance is happening.
I mean, look, if you're a Maha or whatever right now,
I'm not sure if people know this. RFK Junior just
approved them a derna vaccine for six months old, so
I don't see a lot of Maha people calling him out,
and there was.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Like a big shake up over there.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
They just fired his chiefest staff with you.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, the biggest win they have is that people can
now drink cane sugar coke. So congratulations diabetics. You can
now actually drink a can of coke with ten more
grams or ten more calories in it. Congratulations to everybody
because apparently that is a great Maha victory.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
The other one is.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
They got artificial dyes out of ice cream, because I
didn't know that was the problem with ice cream. Is
that artificial dyes crystal are the problem in ice cream,
not the shitload of sugar that are really the people eating,
Just like, come on, okay, oh the steak and shake fries, which,
by the way, I checked, have more calories. The beef
tallow shake and shake fries have more calories per serving

(07:41):
than McDonald's fries. Now I'm gonna have all the seed
oil bros in the commons.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I don't care. Okay, let's I'll eat.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
The McDonald's fries and the die coke and all of
that in the same amount, you know, and we'll compare
our calorie content and then we'll check everybody will take
blood work, and we'll look at our we'll look at
our way. I will guarantee you you're gonna be fatter
and more disgusting if you continue to buy into this stuff.
But my point is, just like if you look at
all of these things, all these promises, all of this

(08:07):
like renegade type behavior from the DOJ to MAHA to
all of this like insurgency, Like I'm not seeing a
whole lot of you know, like real groundbreaking stuff that's
happening right now. And I do think that this is
beginning to erode some of Trump's support in some of
these disparate coalitions.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
I will not sit here and say.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Maga Grandma's are abandoning Donald Trump. That's ridiculous and that's
just not really how it works. But you know, you
didn't win some popular vote and some tens of millions
of votes on the backs of MAGA alone. There's millions
of people, specifically young people and all those as well,
who really did buy into a lot of this vision
because we were very upset about the direction of the
cultural left, and now I think that they're very much

(08:49):
up for grabs. So it's a big political opportunity. I
think it's just very interesting, you know, to see the
way that they shake out of the last two and
a half months has been in my I thought those
would kill Trump, like really politically, but I actually think
it's the Iran strike forward that has eroded so much
of what people saw in this person. And now like

(09:11):
the direction is pretty damn clear. You know, your first
two hundred days or whatever are over. In general, nobody
really does anything after this point as president. You're basically
just managing more international crises, which worked out well the
first time. So I think we can see the direction.
You know that the plane is pointed towards.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Iron Ukraine Epstein.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, all in several weeks months.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, So I mean that's if you thought that he
was going to make good on those promises of no
new wars and you know, we're going to end the
Ukraine war and we're going to release the files you've
got to this has been certainly headspinning. I do want
to just pause on what he's actually saying here, because
it's easy to just be like, oh my god, this
guy's insane and he's just like saying all this wild stuff.

(09:51):
But he is now consistently asserting that the there are
Epstein files. Remember you know Pambine the memo they put outside,
There is no incriminating client list. Case closed, it's over,
We're moving on. Well, Key's indicating there are files, but
they were created by his enemies, and so there are
hoax And it's hard to read that in any other

(10:14):
way than he is sort of laying the groundwork to
give himself an excuse if things come out that do
point to him in connection with Jeffrey Epstein. And I mean,
the bottom line is he's acting so guilty and there's
really no other explanation that makes sense for the insane
way that he's behaving. Here you're throwing is slamming his

(10:36):
own supporters, saying hey, I don't even want your support
if you're interested in this, and daring them to defy him.
Now some of them are already going along with it.
We watched this interview that John Solomon did with him
where he's not one Oh yeah, definitely, the Democrats definitely
rigged it against you and they're definitely inventing things against you.
So plenty of people and influencers will actually go along

(10:58):
with this line. We'll see how many will ultimately buy it,
but it seems very much like he is laying the
groundwork to try to inoculate himself against potential damaging information
coming out. So that's number one and number two. You know,
as I've been going back there, I know you've been
going back down the rabbit hole, and like, you know,
I've been looking into Okay, well, what are all the
Trump Epstein connections? And one of the things that I

(11:21):
stumbled upon yesterday is a pretty this is the sort
of thing you're like, how is this not common knowledge?
It was written up in a British tabloid, actually the
tabloid that Gallaiinne Maxwell's father had once owned before he
died under also mysterious circumstances, wrote up that Trump, at
age fifty one, was dating a twenty year old who

(11:43):
he had been introduced to by Gallaine Maxwell, who it
later came out, had been in underage trafficking victim of
Jeffrey Epstein. Trump dated that woman, and this piece also
said that this was not the first woman that Glene
Maxwell had introduced him to. I mean, you go back
and you look at the quote where Trump says infamously,

(12:05):
I knew Jeffrey for fifteen years. He likes beautiful women,
maybe as much as I do many on the younger side.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
You can't tell me this man.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Who was a fixture at Epstein Parties in Manhattan, who
was practically as next door neighbor down in Palm Beach,
who Virginia Giffrey worked at mar A Lago, that's where
Gleane Maxwell met her. You can't tell me he didn't
know what's going on, because even.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
There were all sorts of whispers.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
And rumors in these circles about exactly what was going on,
because he wasn't exactly discreet about it. So when you
think about that, then you start to think, oh interesting
that Trump owned these beauty pageants and bragged about going
into the dressing room where the girls were getting dressed.
Oh interesting, he owned a modeling agency, which are known
to be hothouses of underage exploitation and abuse. And then

(12:56):
you see the way he's behaving here and the way
he's trying to give him some sort of out if
there is damaging information that comes out. I don't know, guys,
y'all can draw whatever conclusions you want to draw, but
the lines are all pointing in one particular direction. And
last things, gets your react to this. Megan Kelly said
something interesting too, and Emily actually pointed this out and

(13:17):
I didn't really fully like wrap my header on it
when she said it. Megan Kelly said, I have insiders
who were telling me that the files were all set
up to point directly to Trump. Now, I guess there's
a couple ways you could read that. One is just
like Trump's guilty. Another is she's also trying to indicate
like all the Democrats set him up. You know, they

(13:38):
rigged these files and inserted fake information about Donald Trump
as if they you know, if they were going to
do that, like they wouldn't release that before he got
re elected.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Well, and also if that is true, then you can
prove that that is true and be like, look they
you know, here's the paper trail, Yeah, here's where we are,
or or you know, you could do a retrospective and
you could, you know, quote like make the files more full.
But yeah, I mean listen, all of that is public record, basically,
I mean, I didn't know about the twenty year old thing.
But the rest of it, it's like all of it

(14:07):
was kind of baked in. It's like, yeah, Trump is
a sleazy old man, like that was basically baked into
the pump with consciousness. I think everybody was willing to
be like, Okay, well, you know, at this point it's
pretty clear track record of behavior, the divorces, the tabloid behavior, etc.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
But like his behavior over the last week.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Or so has a lot of people being like, hey man,
I don't know, like this really could be like it
shows you something. There's a real you know, there may
be something there and at the very least like it's
a cover up of some kind for what purpose it
could be personal. I personally think a lot of it
is intelligence related when you combined, and it could be
a combination of both.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
The intel stuff just makes a lot more sense to
me considering just the rabid pro Israel direction that we're
going in right now.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
But that would make even more sense if they have
something on him, and that's anybody tells you like, oh,
this is a side show and this isn't important, and
people care about the price of eggs of course people
care about other things, no doubt about it. And you know,
we're covering other stories in the show. There are other
things going on in the world. If Massan has petal
blackmail material on the president of the United States, I
think we should know that. I think that's probably a

(15:12):
pretty important thing to know. So, no, we can't just
dismiss this story out of hand, especially after the way
that Trump has responded to this in such a bizarre
and inexplicable fashion and is now seems to be explicitly
laying the groundwork to have some sort of excuse if
something bad.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Does ultimately come out.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
And let's also not forget that Steve Bannon apparently said
previously going into twenty sixteen that Jeffrey Epstein was the
one person who he thought could nuke Trump's presidential ambitions.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Go all right, let's go and put the Elon Musk
thing up there on the screen. Reply from Elon, here's
what he had to say. Quote the old admit nothing,
deny everything, made counterclaims, but it won't work this time.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
And quote wow, amazing.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Epso killed himself and Glaine is in federal prison for
a hoax. By the way, Glaine's legal team has been
citing the government's actions and appealing the US Supreme Court
to overturn her conviction. So that's great, really, congratulations, great
work by the US government directly to Trump.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yes, yeah, I mean, she's like, hey, you said it's
a hoax.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
So if it's a hoax, then why am I serving
twenty years in federal prison?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Great question, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Let's also get to Alex Jones and some of the
you know, basically dissident what I don't know what you
would call it, but people are speaking out and basically saying, Okay, Trump,
if this is the way that you want to play it,
then I'm basically out with you.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Here's what Alex Jones had to say. He says, I'm
not in a cult.

Speaker 8 (16:37):
You people that bring this up don't even deserve to
be involved in this movement. You are ex communicata. You
are you are hence forth ex cathedra from the mouth
of the God King. You are expelled from the Church

(17:00):
of the Holy Golden Toad. Donald John Trump, Well, I
was never in the Church of the Holy Golden Toad.
I do you like you being a maverick standing up
of the country. We have the same enemies. I respect
your stammin and courage, bet a big cheerleader when I
agree with what you're doing. But if I'm being excommunicated,

(17:21):
let me be clear. I was never in your church
to be excommunicated, So you can't excommunicate me because I
was never in your church. I was never in a cult,
and I never said Maga was a cult. I said
a lot of people want it to be a cult.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I was never in a cult, basically calling Trump out saying, listen,
you know you're like some great god emperor. I mean
in some ways, like Alex is correct in terms of
it was never presented necessarily as a cult, but like,
let's be honest about the way this politically has ended
up working out and the way operationally it is. I
don't know if did you guys cover the Ukraine thing yesterday?

(17:57):
The poll which is like when told Trump's to say, yeah,
this was just so people know, this is a new
Echelon Insights poll and it was MAGA voters when asked
if they said, do you support sending more arms to Ukraine,
the original answer was like the vast majority know then
when told Trump supports it, it's Trump's decision, sixty five
percent were like yes. I was like, okay, so you

(18:19):
actually are in a cult because you're numbers. And this
is where everything surrounds the whole, like trust the plan,
like they genuinely only trust Donald Trump. There's no really
getting around that. But I just want to caution again everybody.
And there's a lot of Republicans who are like, look,
he can do anything and he can get away with it.
I just don't think that that is true at a
macro level. And there are a lot of people who

(18:41):
are now talking about how Republicans are going to take
an absolute beating in the mid terms. They probably weren't
going to anyways, even if this was a decent, right
enough administration, just because of the way that political cycles work.
But now you're really setting it up for demoralization. And
it's not again, not the base, but these lower propensity
voters who crawled out of the woodwork to vote for

(19:01):
Donald So many people voted in the last election never
even voted before, those types of people who were brand
new Republicans. And there's always an opportunity every time some
candidates able to bring those people out and then actually
convert them into sustain parts of your political base. They're
not coming back, you know, for a variety of reasons.
I think Epstein is actually a decent enough reason for
one of them, and it connects to so many different

(19:22):
tentacles in our foreign policy. But yeah, how is Fox
News and other people spinning it? They're like, well, actually,
the auto.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Pen scandal and that's real.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's the real scandal. So Trump is like, hey, we
need to move on. You know, there's little girls who
are dead in Texas. How dare you ask me about Epstein?
And that's why the autopen scandal involving the last president,
that's actually the biggest scandal in American history.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Let's take a listen from Fox News.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
If you care about the constitution and the rule of law,
Trump is right, the auto pen is way more serious
than Jeffrey Epstein because you could have a series of
aids here who sees the power of the presidency and
use it for their own purposes.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Way more serious th Jeffrey.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
By the way, for all of our younger viewers, if
you don't know who John Yu is, John u is
the guy who was in the Bush White House who
authored all of the infamous torture memos and executive privileges
for George W. Bush to expand his authority basically to
the levels of a king. So in case you're wondering
about constitutionality and the level constitution, Yeah, twenty years ago,
John yu Was actually was a household name amongst a

(20:22):
lot of Americans because they're like, hey, fuck this guy,
just so people know who it is. So yeah, just
laying that out there in terms of who they It's
amazing to me how you can whitewash your reputation and
twenty years, you know, after authoring these memos and being
like a legitimate pariah in American society, and you can
you know, bring your way back and say, hey, by
the way, you know, actually, the autopen scandal is a

(20:45):
much bigger scandal than the Epstein thing.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I mean, the autopen thing.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Sure, okay, let's talk about it to the extent that
it matters. It's really not about the Autopen itself. It's
about Biden's sinility. I'm fine with that. Okay, Fine, let's
you know, Biden's doctor, what did he pleaded the fifth
whenever he was before Congress. I agree, that's a huge problem.
I'm totally on board. But you know, in the words
of Laura Lumer, who we are about to show up as
soon you can walk in chew gum. At the same time,
the Epstein one actually does seem a lot more urgent

(21:09):
for today considering all of his foreign policy implications.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Don't see a lot of people talking about that.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
You know, it's one of the first times I really
have seen the Right and Trump specifically like try and
fail to change the subject, like usually very good at this.
They have like their media machine, the autopen thing's going
to be a scandal. We're just going to go in
and go in and go in and get people to
care about this, and it just hasn't really worked out.
So anyway, you've got that going on. You know, I
wanted to run something by you that I mentioned to

(21:37):
Emily yesterday. I think it was, you know, this moment
for Trump and the way he's asking his base to
completely repudiate something they believe five seconds ago. The thing
it reminds me of most is actually the grabber by
the P word moment, because I think at that time
you had these evangelical right Christians who were in the

(21:58):
tent who were a little leery of Trump. Anyway, Mike
Pence on the ticket, and this comes down and he's
asking them to turn on a dime from all their
outrage about Bill Clinton get a blowjob in the White
House and be in the moral majority and family values
blah blah blah blah blah, to turn on a dime
and say, Nope, this is locker room talk and we
don't care.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
And you know what they did. They did. Now, there
are some things that are different today. Number one, the
media media ecosystem is different.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
His coalition is a little bit different, and he is
potentially maybe a lame duck depending on whether he tries
for his third term or whatever happens there. So there
also may be people who are looking past him and
thinking there's going to be a post Trump Republican party.
So that could create a situation that is different. But
you know, that is to me what rhymes the most

(22:44):
with this moment where he is asking his own base
to completely throw out the window long held core beliefs
just to back him up and go along with him.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
It's almost like a test. The way that that.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Was the only reason I think it's is that well,
first of all, at that time, they basically had something
that he could offer them that nobody else would offer
where he literally said, I'm going to appoint pro life
justices to the Supreme Court and overturn roversus wad right,
So that's pretty different in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Also, it's a little different as well because.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
The magasne sugar and the coke.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, but that's what I mean, that's not the same
thing that that was their Look, I mean at that time,
I know it's been a while.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
That was their number one priority.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's the only thing that a lot of these people
voted on was pro life.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
So that doesn't really exist this time around. They can't
offer them the same type of thing.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Even then.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
I would say, if you look at the MAGA coalition
of twenty sixteen, the evangelicals were a small minority of it.
They were not the Magabase. There were the people who
came over and were reluctant to come in. Most of
it was working class whites who thought the whole story
was stupid and bullshit. So I would put it like
a little bit differently the Epstein thing. The reason why
I think it's different is, Look, it's also been a
long time since that. When was I start twenty sixteen,

(23:54):
So it's been seven years, right, so since that broke,
The Internet is pop culture now.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
It was then, but it is like way more. It's
just different.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
And that's part of the reason why I've been getting
annoyed when people are like, oh.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
In the real world and all of that.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I'm like, guys, you know, the Internet actually is the
real world to a certain extent in terms of this
is the media now, Like this is where public consumption
is on TikTok's on Instagram, it's on YouTube. I can
guarantee you this is one of the most viral stories
that I have seen in years, and that not just
on this platform, on every platform. Yeah, and actually my

(24:29):
interview with Tucker has more views in the Iranian president
like that. That's what I'm trying to give people an
example of I've literally never seen. I got people reach
out to me who I haven't spoken to in ten years,
you know about this. My point is just that this
is capturing the attention of the country. Would I claim
that it is, you know, the number one issue or
anything again, absolutely not. But you know in the same

(24:51):
way that you're cartoonishly like asking people to move on.
And it's also you know, the other key to the
difference is that was before an election. That's when shit's
on the line. It's between Hillary and Trump. He's got
three and a half more years to go. In a
certain way, people who are speaking out are like trying
to have a corrective and a push on the administration.
So it's actually more like a power struggle in terms

(25:11):
of like who gets to set the agenda and who doesn't,
as opposed to look, we have two choices. Sometimes you
just got to hold your nose and vote for somebody,
like a lot of people also did for Hillary. But yeah,
I mean that's not a terrible comparison. I would really more.
I'm trying to think of anything else, and I can't
really because at the same time, you know, he ran
on releasing it, and it's not just him running on it,

(25:33):
it's the entire maga apparatus, right, And that's what makes
it so stark.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
If you listen to him, right, he never cared that.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
It was always very squirrely yes, And that Fox News
edit is now infamous where the way they edited his
response to WILLI will you release the Ebstein files was
just yeah, but then he goes yeah, well maybe less so,
and then he goes on to give a bunch of
reo privacy and I'm concerned about this and that and
the other of what he actually probably wouldn't and he

(26:02):
was like every time he got asked about it, he
was squirrely in the same way. But there is no
doubt that he flirted with, you know, all of those conspiracies,
including the q Andon conspiracy, which was sort of like,
you know, adjacent to this that was like the bullshit
made up version.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
QAnon was weight dumber, of course.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, and it goes with I'm saying, it.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Becomes you know, like this idea of Pizzagate, q Andon,
Jeffrey Epstein all gets lumped together as like all elite
pedophiles mostly Democrats are like running the world. And he
flirted with all of this stuff, and so he certainly
gave people the impression that he was going to be
on their side in this. He was going to be
the person the White Knight to ride in and expose
all of the you know, criminals and bring them to

(26:43):
justice whatever.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
And then people in his movement like.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Dan Bongino, like Cash Mattel, like Jade Vance, they were
very explicit about the files are going to be released
and this is going to be a major priority.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
And well he was explicit too.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
He said, I think it was in his Lex Freedman interviews,
like yeah, I'm going to release all of it.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
He literally said that.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I mean, you know, like there's multiple clips of Trump
of Jade, so the president, the vice president, the FBI director,
the deputy FBI director, the Attorney General of the United States,
multiple I mean, I can't even think of the rest
of the Trump surrogates if you think about that, like
people directly involved in the campaign, come on now, like
that that's part of what makes this so galling.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, and the people who to your point, who are like, like, oh,
this is in real life.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Nobody cares about this.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I mean, okay, we Americans don't care about some grand
sex scandal involving potentially the president.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I think you think they don't care about that.
Have you met Americans and their talents.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Were you alive in nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Ppular sensibility. I think they care. I think they're interested.
I think you've got their attention right.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
If Lewinsky captured the I mean, Lewinsky was the.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Biggest story in the country for like eighteen months, just
so everybody remembers and also a little Lewinsky callback if
we all remember when Bill Clinton got into a war
with Serbia to distract the country from the Lewinsky scandal.
So these actually can have some pretty big ramifications.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Just saying before we go on to the other mag
I just want to mention that, you know, one more
item to put on the list of strange things that
are happening in the Trump administration. They just fired the
Manhattan prosecutor who handled the Jeffrey Epstein and the Gallaine
Maxwell case. Now this is someone this is Maureen Comy,
so it's actually Jim Comey's daughter. So in fairness, this

(28:15):
is someone MEGA has hated. And she also just handled
the Ditty trial rather poorly as well. But you still
have to ask why she's getting fired now when she
is the one who handled both Glaine Maxwell and Jeffrey
Epstein's cases.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
She was the prob I agree that the timing is weird.
It's what I told you.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I was like, to be fair, like MAGA has hated
her for years. They're like, this lady needs to be
fired from the Department of Justice, and the Ditty trial
is like the best excus It's like you totally fuck
you know, you botch the entire case, and we're the
biggest with the biggest charges against him. You would also say,
I mean, if you look at not only the charges
of Epstein, but really against Glainne Maxwell in the SDN
Y like that, in my opinion, is more part of

(28:54):
the cover up than anything else. Yeah, because the way
that those the way that the case was set up
was so that it only implicated Maxwell and Epstein and
not everybody else. And they focus on these charges from
like nineteen ninety four whatever. So I don't know, I mean,
I don't think she's innocent, you know, in all of this.
But by the way, hey Marie, her name's Mareen, right, yeah, Mariene,

(29:15):
you're free now, all right, come, let's talk.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Let's give some interviews.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
All right, don't just shut your mouth and become a
resistance hero. If you have some information, tell us what
you learned about the pressure from inside of the Justice Department.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Won't hold my breath.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Last thing here is just about kind of some of
the MAGA reaction. Let's go and put this up there
on the screen. So we got people like Laura Lumer.
She's of course standing with Trump. She says, Epstein is
one issue of many. It's while to me how many
people can't walk in chew gum at the same time.
You can ask for answers on Epstein, will also not
for allow it to consume. The only thing that you
speak about Trump is doing many great things on a
daily basis. He knows how to walk and chew gum

(29:48):
at the same time. But let's continue because there are
some other examples here. People actually, you know, pushing back
pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Here. You got General Flynn.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
General Mike Flynn, who is a former National security advisor.
He says, this is where his argument went on off
the rails. It is not about Epstein or the left.
It's about committing crimes against children. If you were part
of an intel operation known or run by CIA, shame
on them, and those responsible must be held accountable. If
there's any other country involved, then shame on them as well.
If there are leads inside of our country that committed
crimes against children, shame on them and they must be

(30:15):
held accountable.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Let's go to the.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Next just to show people, you got some various different
like MAGA influencers and others. Here you have a Trisha Hope,
she says he just called supporters like me stupid who
spent ten years standing with him.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Through thick and thin. This is what he has to say.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Well, maybe he is right, because I feel pretty dumb
for standing with him all those years, and I won't
be doing it again. Hashtag Epstein cover up. Let's go
to another one here. This is from Evan Kilgore. I've
been a loyal Trump supporter since twenty sixteen. I lost job, friendships,
been smeared, online docs, press charges on people who have
stocked and harassed me for supporting him. If Trump doesn't
want my support because I care about the Epstein files,

(30:48):
then I'm done by So you can see. Look again,
that's something I'm not ready.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
To say yet.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
It's like some gigantic civil war or any of that.
But it is certainly having some impact in support for
the president. And nonetheless, it's consuming all of tabloid media
and of political media at a time when you really
would want your attention focused elsewhere. That's a good transition
here to the polling intrap maga. So here I'm pointing somebody,

(31:18):
a guy named Rich Barris. I've talked about him here
on the show before. He is definitely more of like
a MAGA aligned polster. But one of the things that
Rich does, I think really well is try to keep
his finger on the pulse of the magabase of Trump
approval and specifically the Trump coalition. He looks at things
very similar to I do. There's the magabase, and there's
the Trump voter, there's the non traditional person. All of

(31:39):
these people kind of come together and became the Republican
Party in twenty twenty four, or at the very least
voters for the Republican Party. So here's what Rich had
to say about Trump's approval rating, how continues to go down,
and cracks within the coalition.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
As it stands right now.

Speaker 9 (31:54):
The voter groups where Donald Trump is now himself starting
to hurt with those are the ones that republic needed
to bring into the fold. And just from the polling
this month, here are a couple of groups that need
to really stand out in people's minds.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Eighteen to twenty nine who voted for Donald Trump.

Speaker 9 (32:09):
Though some of his biggest decline this month came from
that group, Hispanic men. All right, the groups where he
did increase are kind of funny, Steve. Those who have
a four year degree or more, right, and that's great,
perfect that help offset some of the decline with comp
with his core voter in his twenty four base. But
it doesn't matter because they're still voting Democrat at the
generic ballad by ten points.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
So I mean, it just it's like a pointless.

Speaker 9 (32:32):
Bump that's going to evaporate in a month or two anyway,
even if it lasts that long. They're just happy he
bombed a Ron for now, to be honest, and they'll
go back to disapproving of him.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
And what will be left is a weakened base.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
And that is something that people aren't understanding while they're again,
you know, attempting to browbeat all of these different groups
and a submission eighteen to twenty nine year olds don't
care about what's going on all the way around the
other side of the world. They didn't vote for him
for that. I mean, it's just a reac that people
are going to have to start to face. They're simply
out of time. They can't afford to continue to carry

(33:06):
on with business as usual. They had to convince these
voters that they were becoming more like Donald Trump, not
that Donald Trump was becoming more like them.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
They're out of time.

Speaker 9 (33:17):
I mean, so they are all these people, you know,
the clapping seals and the rest of them, They're going
to clap their way right into an utter defeat.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
I mean, that's the reality.

Speaker 9 (33:27):
And by the way, this month, Democrats took lead on
the generic ballot for the first time in our polling
since Donald Trump's second presidency began.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I think that's actually a very good way of looking
at it, all with the younger voters, with the rest
of the types of the coalition. Also, let's think about
how there's been a great flip in political coalitions. What
did Democrats excel at even before twenty twenty four winning
special elections in midterms?

Speaker 6 (33:48):
Why?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Because it's highly educated, mostly like you know, upper middle
class people who love to vote and who are much
more civically and politically engaged. The rest of the people,
you know, the Hispanics and the young guys and all
these other guy, more working class folks, they only really
pay attention during a presidential election.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
The rest of the time, they don't give a shit.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
And that's a huge problem if you're walking into a midterm,
where what's the margin right now for the House two
three good luck, all right, Yeah, good luck holding onto
that one. And the Senate as well actually has its
own problems. So what he's pointing out are strips and
the political coalition, all of these things that make it
not only up for grabs that will alter the balance
of power. I also think everyone in Washington's to start

(34:28):
waking up to a reality of what does it look
like when one or two houses of Congress are controlled
by Democrats. I mean, I've talked about this with Doze,
but now with Epstein. Any enterprising Democratic politician would be
an idiot not to immediately announce an Epstein investigation on
day one of the you know, in twenty twenty seven,
and you know, by the way, impeachment and all of that,

(34:50):
that's already happening.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Like, don't even get me wrong on that one.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
But my point is that the amount of political institutional
pushback showdowns with the White House from everything to funding
the government, to taxes to whatever, especially given the attitude
of the base, is basically going to be analogous to
how the Democrats were from two thousand and six to
two thousand and eight under George W. Bush when he
was also a lame duck president. With a very very

(35:15):
low approval rating. Bush got nothing through the House or
the Senate at that time. He was a pariah. They
hate in him. Congress basically sets through you on almost
every important decision.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That was happening.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
That's going to be the political tenor of what those
last two years look like. They can make your life. Hell,
I mean every Trump appointee, I hope you have a
lot of money because you're going to be paying private
lawyers out the ass.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
When you're testifying before Congress.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Like this is the reality that people are staring down
and the Republicans are just like, don't seem to care. Well,
Trump himself, I guess he never cared, but for personal reasons.
If he doesn't even care about the party, your own
presidency can be consumed by stuff like this and just
looks more real every single day that we go forward.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I mean, I think the Republicans just pretty much assume
they're going to lose the House at this point.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Okay, but too yeah like you, Yeah, it's a big difference.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Well, yeah, it would be possible at this rate. I
just saw a poll.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
You know, Virginia, New Jersey have their gubernatorial elections this year,
the off year, the Virginia one in particular is typically
seen as a bell weather and you've got a really
lame Democrat, Abagail span Berger. She's like a former CIA. Anyway,
I'm getting those ads at my house and they're.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Terrible, But my neighborhood is all in for span Burger.
Signs everywhere, So apparently the whole state is.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Because I just saw a pull that has her up
twelve points, twelve points on within the series who's the
current you know, elected statewide officials to.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Be young him by two points. That's a fourteen point
swing in five years. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, right, Like, so we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
But I think Abigail span Burger's got to be filling
pretty good about where she stands at this point. The
other thing I was thinking about listening to Rich Barris
talk there is where was Trump's strength. His strength was
with low information voters always the type of people who
aren't listening to the show or watching Ciena entering and
watching Fox News. The type of people who are watching
like Theovonn's podcast. You know, Andrew Schultz or Tim Dillon

(37:02):
or Joe Rogan or whatever. While they're you know, doing
their job or driving the uber shift or whatever. And
to the contrary of the people who want to say, oh,
real people don't care about this, this is actually a
story that really penetrates me.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
It's easy. It's the easiest one that.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Gets completely penetrates pop culture. I mean, all the late
night shows, of course, are all over it.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Shane Gillis hosted the last Night Epstein and it killed kill.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Like you don't think people know about this, Give me
a break.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
This is exactly the sort of issue that actually breaks
through with low information voters, the very people who were
the ones who put Trump over the top last time.
So you know, I think there has already been a
lot of erosion with Trump among people who are really
paying close attention and who were you know, independence and
they voted for him, but they weren't sure about it whatever.

(37:48):
I think you've already seen that erosion. But this cuts
deeper because it does go to just pop culture and
the sense of this guy. First of all, what is
going on here, like what are you doing and why
are you acting this way?

Speaker 4 (38:02):
And what is actually going on?

Speaker 2 (38:04):
And second of all, you just lied to us to
get a light like you are you betrayed this notion
that you're gonna be the outside or come in and
clean up things like total and complete bullshit. And look,
it has always been bullshit, but this is such a blatant,
obvious betrayal of how he positioned himself that it becomes
impossible to ignore and to spin if you have a

(38:24):
shred of integrity.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Let's also put this next one up here. This is
from Mark Mitchell, who works over at Rasmusen And you know,
I follow these guys because I mean, look, you can
say a lot about biased polsters and all this, but
one of the things I like about, you know, following
the quote bias polsters, is that some of them actually
do have some integrity. And here, like this is from Rasmussen,
you know, one of the most Republican leaning polling outlets

(38:48):
out there.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And here's what Mark Mitchell has to say. Update. Looks
like Trump approval has bottomed for.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
The second for the for the second term, and what
he and Rich and these guys are warning about is
just the absolute destruction that Republicans face in the midterms,
but again, more importantly for Trump and his coalition in
the future for whatever that looks like. The other thing
is is like, let's say that Trump is a lame
duck and he's done. Everyone's like, oh, he's not going

(39:15):
to care. I genuinely don't believe that. I think he
will be the most interact till the day he dies.
He will be a god king of the Republican Party.
It would be as if Ronald Reagan, who I guess
kept his mind, you know, after he left his presidency
and continue to wield his influence. Now, Reagan, you know,
not only from his own personal issues, but believed in

(39:36):
norms even though I know that's cringe and was like, no,
I'm done. I'm an old man, George, take the reins.
You can do whatever you want to do. I'll respect that.
You think Trump is going to be sitting down in
mar A Lago. Let's say jad gets elected. He's gonna
have to go down there once a month, all right,
to get Trump truth socials and all this other stuff
to back him up. Because at the end of the day,
the loyalty does not transfer. We've seen that a million times.

(39:57):
There's affection, but not the loyalty. And so for him,
like if you continue to diminish and just bring things
down to a Maga type coalition. You put every future
Republican in such a dangerous position where they can't piss
off Trump, but to win they can't also you know,
go in the direction that in the loyalty that he demands,
which increasingly that seems like what he's likely to do,

(40:20):
of course, could be wrong. On least seven six, seven
months or whatever into the first Trump administration, things can
go in all kinds of different directions. Remember, it's only
what July. I mean, Biden's presidency didn't really bottom out
until October, so there's still a long way.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
To go, you know, it's like a few months.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, we still got months and months to go. But
things seem to be on track, you know, for.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Where we are right now. We don't know what the
future looks like.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, and yeah, like they need to pray for several things.
We'll talk soon about the FED and all of that.
They need lower rates, they need a lot more housing,
and they need inflation to go down, and they need
a stock market to remain up. They've accomplished I think
one out of four of those. So like you need
to land the plane, especially in the next two and

(41:03):
a half years and I just don't see a path forward.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think it's also I agree with you that the
idea Trump is just going to go away ridicularly of
a quiet life of Marlowe. Okay, please, like, look at
who this man is. Even if he doesn't technically run
for a third term, it will be his party until.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
The day he absolutely, that's just how it is.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
And the other thing that is I think increasingly clear
both as you see you know, the warring factions over
Iran and over Ukraine and now over Epstein. He is
the only person who can hold this coalition together. He
is the only one that can do it. And we
you know, there's there's some similarities there with Obama actually,
where he never was able to translate his popularity over

(41:43):
to other Democrats and over to the Democratic Party more broadly.
And I think it's the exact same thing with Trump.
You know, when he's not on the ballot, Republicans have
been losing an election after election after election. So you know,
the idea that he's going to be able to just
bequeath his popularity and his coalition to JD. Vance or
even his own son or whatever, like I think that
is there's there's just no chance that he's that they're

(42:06):
able to pull that up. I totally agree, because no
one else is Donald J. Trump and that's just.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
How it is.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Look remember Obama literally was like, you need to act
like I'm on the ballot in twenty sixteen. People were like, yeah,
I'm good, actually, so you can try it never basically
never works.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, it's a very very worn lesson too. Yeah, I
literally done. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
In that election, Obama basically killed that Biden. I think
at that point, you know, he was at his peak,
he would have been a much better.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Candidate than Hillary.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
He's had a better he did have a better touch
with working class people. He was more closely affiliated with
Obama that people had you know, warm fuzzies about at
that point. But anyway, I mean, the point is just
that he got his chosen successor. He did what he
could to put her across the finish line. And it's like,
no way, even though I think if it was Obama
who was on the ballot again, he would have probably

(42:54):
won it.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I've done so many mologs about that, and people could
pull him from five six years ago.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
I have all those clips, all all.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
The times that Obama was like, you need to act
like I'm the person running on the ballot, and people
were like, yeah, actually, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
All right.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Turning now to Syria, some extraordinary developments Israel bombing the
capital of Syria after major violence breaks out in Sweda Province.
We're gonna get to all of the details. Well, let's
just take a look at some of the video. I mean,
it's absolutely extraordinary. You're watching a Syrian newscaster there broadcasting
alive from the capital. After right behind her you can

(43:31):
watch Israeli air strikes in the middle of Damascus.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
And by the way, these are not secret strikes like normal.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
These are claimed and public proclamations from the IDF, including
the command and control network of the Syrian General Staff
as well as the Syrian presidential Palace.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
So you're watching just.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I mean, this is wild, like out in the open,
and you may ask, so, what the hell is actually
going on here?

Speaker 10 (43:56):
Now?

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I've done my best to It's very, very complicated, So
everybody stick with us in terms of the exact TikTok
of how this all went down, we got to start
at the very very beginning. You'll remember that the Asad
regime fell well after the Osad regime fell, the Israeli
government claimed a quote indefinite presence inside of Syria past

(44:17):
the Golan Heights, further expanding their borders. Basically, the justification
was they need to protect their own border at the
Golan Heights as well as the Druze population, who they
have long had a close relationship with.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Okay, so let's put things out that way.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
That's ever since the Israeli government or the Asad regime fell,
and now the new power al Qaeda is in charge
of the state. After al Qaida kind of came into
power of the state, there has been a tacit alliance
between the Israelis and al Qaeda. They met recently. There
was supposed to be normalization between the two governments. Much
of the sanctions from the US government were taken off,

(44:55):
so everything seemed to be on a road of normalization
and of a tacit agreement where the new out Taida
government is going to recognize Israeli sovereignty over this new portion.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
All right, so let's start there.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
However, the Druze population, of course is allied with Israel,
and there's also been calls within Israel to basically further
their attacks on the Syrian government, and all of this
kind of came to a head in the last couple
of days.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
So let's start with this. Let's put this up there
on the screen.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
So late on July eleventh, Bedouin gunmen ambushed a vegetable
truck on the Damascus to wait a highway, beating the
driver and stealing the truck in its contacts. The next day,
Drew's gunmen kidnapped eight Bedouins as retaliation, triggering the Bedouin
gunmen to kidnap five Drews in response.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
By the way, this is what a lawless state looks like.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
So next July twelfth saw a flurry of quote tit
for tach kidnappings, amid attempts by local notables to negotiate
a calm down. Tensions and conflict between these clans and
the Drews date back for years, tied to drugs and
the weapons trade, control of smuggling rounds, and land ownership.
On July thirteen, negotiations break down. Armed conflict erupts in
sueda between Bedouin clans and Druze militias. Drews delicious start

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getting shelled. Bedouin areas are besieged, thirty people are dead
one hundred are injured in twenty four hours. All right
now continuing on July fourteenth, after attempts to mediate talks,
Syria's new government intervenes. These are al Qaeda forces right
deploying military and Interior ministry forces into Suita to quote
enforce order and put an end to the.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Internal fighting.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Then as these new government forces, the al Qaeda forces,
enter the city, they are ambushed by the Druze militiamen.
Ten soldiers are rounded up, executed and used for celebratory photos,
and eight other soldiers are taken hostage, stripped and marched
to a nearby village in their underwear. All of them
are believed to have been dead. Now that's when shit
really kicks off. Intense fighting ensues. Government forces advance into

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the city. The Druze militia starts shelling the Bedouins, killing
a child, apparently a photo of which gets sent around
everywhere in terms of anti Sunni Makri.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
This is all according to Charles Lister.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
He's a long time Syria analyst and he speaks that
language as well and has translated all this. Then what
happens is quote as fighting rages on, Israel begins drone
strikes there first, targeting the Syria militia, armored forces, and
pickup trucks of the Interior Ministry. So eventually what happens
is that there's a negotiated ceasefire on July fifteenth between

(47:24):
the Drews, the Christian and the Civil Council. WU invited
the government forces to secure order. However, one Druze cleric.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I'm not even going to try and pronounce his name.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
He is allied with Israel, and he's the person who's like, no,
we're not doing that, and that's when the Israeli strikes
start to go into full effect. Israel strikes not only
the Syrian government basically saying hey, I'm the boss here,
you do what we tell you to do. Some Drews,
IDF soldiers and others start flooding to the Israeli Syrian border.

(47:56):
They tried to smuggle weapons and to go into Syria.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
It's basic.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Basically, what they were trying to do is instigate like
a full on rise up and have complete autonomy over
there that Israel has control over. Many of them were
actually raising the Israeli flag.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Over the territory.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
So this is all the reason I went through exactly
that is, if you were looking at the Israeli version,
you're like, oh my god, the Syrian al Qaeda forces
just came in and they're massacring all these drews. It's
a little bit more complicated than that, isn't it, because
they came at the invitation of the interior forces. But
this one Druze cleric and militia leader who's allied with
Israel was like, no, we're not doing that, and actually

(48:33):
we need Israel to come in and show the new
Syrian government whose boss. All of that escalates to the
point where they're you know, bombing the presidential palace. Now
let's just display, like, let's diminish this. They're like, oh,
we're doing it to prevent They literally said, we're doing
it to prevent a genocide. Asad killed how many people
in Syria over the last fifteen years, how many hundreds

(48:54):
of thousands were slaughtered? Okay, you know you didn't do
anything at that point, like you give a shit about
humanitary situation in Syria.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Give me a break, all.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Right, this is about control, it's about territory, and really
it's about telling the Syrian al Qaeda government, you answer
to us. You don't even get to you're not even
allowed to enter our allies territory without US coming and
bombing the shit out of your capital site.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
A crazy thing is that this Syrian government had already
basically been like.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
You're right, we answer to you exactly. You can take
over the goal On but it's not enough. The guy
who lead.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Syrian now is literally from the goal On High, I know,
and he's like effectively seated the territory to Israel. I mean,
there's a reason why the Trump administration dropped the sanctions
on him and redesignated HTS, which was his organization. It's like, oh,
they're totally not terrorists any war. It's because they were
playing ball and doing everything that America and Israel wanted

(49:48):
them to do. But it is still not enough for
the Israelis. They want it to be a completely failed state.
They want to be able to take over and see
whatever territory they possibly can. And so there using the
pretext of this effectively like ethnic strife, which is the
apparently the tensions between the Bedouin and the Drus in

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this area is in fact long standing. Now that you
have this also you know, civil war now leading to
this takeover and this power vacuum.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
I'm sure that creates.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Even more possibility for escalation of that ethnic strife. And
so they're using that as a pretext to come in
and just directly bomb Damascus and bomb the Syrian government.
It's crazy on the you know what was going on
there with the government negotiations and them coming in and
trying to assert control. I mean, you have to keep
in mind here, this is a new government. They are

(50:39):
trying to assert control over their territory. So they come in,
they actually negotiate. There were multiple ceasefires that were dotiated
that everyone agreed to except this one dude was pro
to be the like Israeli planned. And then as soon
as he flows up the negotiations, lo and behold, Israel
comes in with their bombs. So that's the reality of
what's going on here. And yeah, I mean the lesson

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you have to take is like, there's no working with
these people. There's no even if you give them everything
that you think that they want, things that should be
really outrageous and off the table, even if you do that,
it does not matter. So what is this now? The
Ninth Front in the Israeli war. And I have seen
some people even who are like pretty pro Israel being
like what are you doing? Like we were with you

(51:21):
when you were bombing the Palestinians because they're obviously evil
and hate you whatever, but like, what is going on here?
Why are you How does this make sense? How is
this that all justifiable? And the truth is because they
completely act with no accountability, with utter impunity. They just
feel like they can take over and do whatever they
want because they have been able to do that up

(51:43):
to this one.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah, and that's the point. The point is is that, look,
no one's saying this is a new front war. The
point is is.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Just that they are allowed by us to come in
and do whatever they want to do to every single
one of their neighbors, and we're going to back them up.
And if you want evidence of that, here's the response
from the US State Department where they call on the
Syrian government. According by the way, they're the ones who
recognize the government, and they tell the government, you need
to withdraw from your own territory so that.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
We can rereach a negotiated solution. Let's take a.

Speaker 11 (52:13):
Liston has the US asked Israel to halt strikes on Syria.

Speaker 12 (52:18):
I cannot speak to specific conversations or the exchanges diplomatically,
and we are calling on the Syrian government to in
fact withdraw their military in order to enable all sides
to de escalate and find a path forward. And I
think that that's obviously the goal. Because of the nature
of what's happened and the Secretary's phrasing that this was

(52:40):
a misunderstanding, he's optimistic that this can be achieved.

Speaker 13 (52:44):
So you said, you're looking for an Israeli withdrawal and
Assyrian government.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Withdrawal from the area.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Can you be more explicit about it?

Speaker 12 (52:52):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
I can't, right, So okay, got it, and let's go
in and put Netanyahu's statement up there on the screen.
He says, might Drews, brothers, citizens of Israel. The situation
in Sweda and Southwest is dire. The idf air forces
are in action. We are working to save our Drews
brothers and eliminate regime gangs. I have one request for
you. You are Israeli citizens, do not cross the border. You
are putting your lives to remember, I was telling you

(53:14):
there are a lot of Drews who are crossing the
border with weapons. By the way, some of it appeared
to be facilitated by the IDF, but they're like, oh, actually,
you're hindering our efforts, basically saying don't go there, because
actually we're bombing it right now.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Here.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
We have Secretary of State Marco Rubio who was asked
about it, and his response is, look, this is a
centuries old conflict. That's what this is all about. Let's
take a listen.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
I think I'll ask Marco to say a few words
in Syria.

Speaker 11 (53:40):
Yeah, it's complicated. Obviously, these are historic, long time rivalries
between different groups in the south west of Syria, Bedwins,
the Druz community, and it led to an unfortunate situation
and a misunderstanding, it looks like, between the Israeli side
and the Syrian side. So we've been engaged with them
all morning long and all at night long, with both sides,

(54:01):
and we think we're on our way towards a real
de escalation and then hopefully get back on track and
helping Syria build a country and arriving at a situation
there in the Middle East is far more stable. So
in the next few hours, we hope to see some
real progress to end what you've been seeing over the
last couple.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Hours, centuries old conflict.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
It's like, guys, as I just laid it out, it's
actually not complicated at all, you know, it's really not
It's like what happened is is, Yes, there was some fighting,
and then this pro Israeli guy said no, I don't
accept that and asked the Israeli government, which they did,
to send her message to the new Syrian government that we're.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
In charge actually of your country. I mean, I don't know.
It's like, who do you even root for in there?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
We got al Qaeda on one side, you got an
idf r R on one side. I'm like, okay, well, glad
I'm complicit in all this, you know, because it's just
so ridiculous. And by the way, on top of all
of that, beating Netanya, who is on trial in Israel,
you might forget, don't worry. The United States actually sent
our ambassador Mike Huckabee to the courtroom to express their
support for Netanyahu's government. Extraordinary. Let's put this up there

(55:01):
on the screen. What do you think he did? Whenever
there were strikes on Syria, he said, hey, guys, I'm
involved in this military operation in Syria, and that's why
the trial needs to adjourn.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh got it.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
And by the way, it's only the fourth time or
so now that you have had the trial postponed because
of military action.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And I'll read some headlines.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
June twenty sixth, twenty twenty four, Prime Minister's lawyers till
court Nayawho can only testify in a corruption trial.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Later on.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
In March of twenty twenty five, prosecutors canceled net Yahu's
testimony and coruption trial amid renewed Gaza assault. March eighteenth,
twenty twenty five. Court let's net Yaho skip testimony next
week for US trip July second, twenty twenty five. July seventeenth,
twenty twenty July sixteenth, twenty twenty five. Yesterday trial adjourned
because of strikes on Syria. So look, doesn't take a
genius to figure out what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Really glad that that's something that we're all signed up
in supporting.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
And lastly, let's put this on the screen here from
Ben Gavie, part of the nets on yahualition, who sends
here we want to now they want to quote eliminate
the Syrian president. The only thing to be done with
Jolani is to eliminate him. We need to eliminate the
head of the snake. Keep in mind, this is the
same leader who has already given Israeli everything that it wants,
who is open to normalizing relations, open to coming into

(56:17):
the Abraham Accords.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Somebody who you know.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
And this is where I don't even want to sound
sympathetic to al Qaeda, but like, if you're a part
of the new Syrian government, wouldn't you think that you
have been sovereignty over your territory to you know, restore
order whenever there's something that's breaking out there.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
You might think that. But no, the Israelis are like, no, no, no,
we rule your country.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
You well, gap.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
They weren't even really trying to assert authority over all
of their country. They were like, okay, Israel, you fine,
you can have that these we'll be over here.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
But even that wasn't good enough. I'll just close with this.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
There was a good quote here from an expert who says, listen,
Israel's demanding that they withdraw their troops further obviously, and
the paradox that creates for them is pretty obvious. If
you withdraw, then you just effectively announced Israel controls the
country and you fail in your bid to try to
assert sovereignty even over the pieces that you haven't already
seated to Israel. And if you don't, then they're going

(57:11):
to keep bombing you, and then that obviously threatens your
ability to hold onto power at all. So that's kind
of where things stand right now. And really great, just really,
you know, very fortunate for Nanna, who the way these
things keep coinciding with his child days, it's.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
The luckiest manager.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Really?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Is all right, let's go ahead and get to the
machinations over the FED chair. So Trump has long expressed
in this administration has upset with Jerome Palell, who he
initially was the one who put in at the FED,
by the way, which is going to become relevant during
this block. So in any case, apparently he gathered a

(57:46):
bunch of Republicans in the Oval office this week he
reportedly drafted a letter firing and announcing the firing of
FED chair. Jerome Palell asked the Republicans in the room, Hey,
should I do this? According to Trump, they all were like, oh, yes,
mister President. Yes, sir, that sounds like a great idea.
He has not moved forward with that whatsoever. So in
any case, he got asked a question about whether or

(58:08):
not he is going to fire FED chair at Jerome Palell.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to what he
had to say.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
He's a terrible FED chair. I was surprised he was appointed.
I was surprised, frankly that Biden put him in and
extended him.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
But they did so. No, we're not planning on doing anything.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
We're very concerned. And that goes for his board too,
because his board is not doing the job, because they
should try and rain this guy in. So he's doing
allows you job. But no, I'm not talking about that weekend.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
So he says there, Biden put him in. Biden did
not put him in. He put him in.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Whatever he says there, he's not planning on doing anything.
So maybe this was like kind of a trial balloom.
He was an attempt to distract from other things like
Epstein that was going on. But we can put the
reporting about this draft letter up on the screen. According
to the New York Times, he penned this letter to
fire the FED chair. He asked Republicans if he should
send it the president. They say, waived a copy of

(59:02):
a draft letter firing jerme palette of meeting the Oval
Office with House Republicans. Remains to be seen whether he
follows through with that threat. And then the last piece here,
Sager is there was while this was all swirling and
it seemed like more of an active possibility, there was
a pretty significant market reaction, especially with regards to the
value of the dollar and also the bond yields, both

(59:26):
of which are significant and important, And so it's possible
this was like a trial balloon. Market's freaked. He decided
not to do it, like I said, as possible to distraction.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I don't know what do you make of.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
All this, uh, I mean, it's complicated, as in I
do think that Wall Street like worships at the altar
of the Fed in a very unhealthy way and have
fetishized this whole idea of central bank independence. I understand
why Donald Trump seems to be an unreliable actor through
which you would not want to break that norm. Yeah,

(59:55):
that said, I mean, the argument is sound in terms
of he's out of step with the rest of the
entire world's central bank cuts. If you look at the
where the rates are right now and the labor market,
inflation and all of that, et cetera, your reaction is
not working if you want to look at the core
economic problems of the American people. So, like, one of

(01:00:17):
the main reasons that buying a house right now is
just exorbitantly expensive is because of where the rates are.
I mean, we have not had a rate cut, or
at least a substantial one in multiple years. A lot
of people who bought who wanted to refinance in the
future are getting hosed. A lot of people are having
to sell for much less than they wanted to. It's
one of the main barriers to entry. It makes the
average mortgage payment double what somebody who got a rate,

(01:00:38):
you know, four or five years ago. I can sympathize,
you know, with all of that, it also makes you know,
the carrying cost of business very difficult. People cannot finance
expansion at such high rates. Like there's a lot of
different like effects that the rates and all of that have.
So it's really one of those where I'm not sure
there's like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Two heroes either side of the story.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Yeah, Like, if you look at it, you know, we
had supply side inflation under Biden, and the Federal Reserve
was like, Okay, well, we're going to crush the demand side.
I just disagree with that fundamentally because I think they
look at their mandate in a very different way, in
the way that Wall Street and all of them want
to an old school economic theory that, in my opinion,
does not account for the way that real markets in
the real world works. So I think they've done more

(01:01:17):
damage than they have good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I agree with a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I mean, Trump wants them to cut the rates by
three percentage points, which that seems crazy awesome, that seems wild,
And I guess I feel about this sort of similar
to how I feel about the term limits conversation, where
it's like, in general, I don't support term limits, but
I'm glad they're there right now. It's Donald Trump, and
I kind of feel the same thing with the FED chair,
Like I actually think that president should be able to,
you know, have their choice in there and have the

(01:01:42):
FED policy monetary policy reflect their agenda and their view
of the economy. Do I trust that power in the
hand of Donald Trump?

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
No, I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
So that's kind of where I am and you know,
I do think if he decided to fire Jerome pell
I do think there would be a significant market reaction
because they are very like, you know, attached to this idea,
and they also have no confidence in like Trump putting
in someone there who would be remotely responsible.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
But you know, I mean, this is where I want
people to think like a little bit differently. It's like, look,
it's not in the Constitution that the Federal Reserve is
like this holy separate curve of you know, separate part
of government. And if you went back in time, people
would say it's preposterous that you have this separate, independent bank,
unanswerable to the public. I mean, if you look back

(01:02:28):
at some of the things, like the vulgar Jimmy Carter situation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
It was insane.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, you know, it's always like nineteen percent interest rates
or whatever, and the president was like, uh, I don't
even agree with he appointed him, and then you know,
basically ruined any chances of him ever getting elected. And
that's take the political stuff out of it. If you
want to work and have some sort of democratic say
in your economy, having an independent central bank is probably
the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Possible way to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
It's basically like a giant you know, insurance scam and
all of that for the global financial system.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
That's fine. Their argument is like, oh, well that trickles
down to all of you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I don't agree with that, you know, at all, the
housing situation is perfect. So look at the people who
are getting crushed by rates, look at the people who
worship at the altar of this, like independent Fed and
all of this, and it's mostly Wall Street.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Bond traders and others.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
But yeah, that's the Trump factor as in his you know,
chaos and capriciousness makes it so that if he were
the one to do it, even though again I think
it's a sound enough idea, like democratically, it would cause
tremendous market reaction and pushback, which I think he would significantly.
He would come to regret if it were to ever happen.
But he's socializing the idea on Congress because he wants

(01:03:37):
Powell to resign.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
He wants him to go away. Yeah, I mean, it's
just not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Yeah, yeah, So I don't know, he's stuck. And by
the way, as you said, he's the one who appointed him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
So why did you do that right even once to
shifted off of why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
You point it some of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Us do have brains that have memories longer than that
of a goldfish.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Oh, I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
I literally remember whenever he was I remember whenever he
was nominated, and especially because he immediately started criticizing him
almost after he nominated him, like a year in. It's
like nothing has changed. Even at that time when we
had lower rates, he wanted them to go even lower.
So that Trump is a real estate guy, I get it,
but I do actually think a lot of the country
would be on his side. Most people don't necessarily understand

(01:04:18):
Federal Reserve and all of that. But this is again,
you know, if you wanted to make a case, if
Trump were to give a grand speech and be like,
all of you are paying too much in your mortgage prices,
and i want all your mortgage rates to go down,
and that's why I'm firing the FED chairman, it would
be very popular.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
But you know, they don't have the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Message, discipline, or the case you know, or any of
that to actually be able to sell that idea. It
would fall and nobody on CNBC is going to be
articulating that either they're going to be, oh my god,
well freak out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
One last note on this, and I think I am
remembering this correctly. So the Supreme Court recently ruled that
Trump could fire some of these other like sort of
supposedly independent. I think it was maybe at the CFPB officials,
but they explicitly tried to write their decision such that
they were like, but the FED is totally different. So

(01:05:03):
I think he also would probably run into some legal
issues now. As we've seen with this administration, they just
act first, worry about the legal consequences later, and that
has been a strategy that's been very effective for them
because of Supreme Court in almost every instance on the
shadow docket where they can just instead of actually ruling
on something to say well, you can do it for now.
As these things work out, they have ruled outside of

(01:05:25):
with Trump in almost every instance where that is concerned.
So in a sense, they could get their way at
least for a while. But I think also ultimately probably
the Supreme Court, being as corporate friendly and business friendly
as they are, would ultimately come and say this is
too far.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
You can't actually do this.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I agree. Okay, next part, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Get to Zoran and his big meeting with business leaders.
So as we have now moved from the New York
City Democratic primary into the general elections, or on mom
Donnie had a big meeting this week with business leaders
in New York City. Some pretty interesting commentary on that
from MSNBC LAS.

Speaker 10 (01:06:00):
They heard a really charming, affable guy who was well prepared.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
He made jokes, he made.

Speaker 10 (01:06:06):
Self deprecating jokes, but they did not hear someone who
changed his policies. And so if you had concerns about
his economic policies going into the meeting, you had the
same concerns going out. For some people, the charm and
his disarming nature was enough to calm.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
People a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:06:22):
For others, the fact that he was very much sticking
to his policies further in region. So there was a
bit of a division coming out of the vernom in
terms of response. But in the room it was mostly cordial,
it was mostly pleasant. There was one quite pointed question,
effectively saying, how can you tell us you're not going
to drive business out of New York And he danced

(01:06:43):
around it a bit. I think his message was I
believe strongly in my policies, but I don't think they're
bad for business, and I think many of the business
leaders saw a little bit of a disconnect and how
you connect those two dots. But overall, they found a nice,
charming guy and they were you know, they appreciated the
fact that he wanted to meet with them.

Speaker 13 (01:07:01):
But he also enters a race here where the setup
seems to really favor him. First of all, anytime there's
a you have a D next to your name, you're
the Democratic nominee in a deep blue city, that is helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
He's got that.

Speaker 13 (01:07:12):
But if Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams both persist in
this race and are both vying for the same sort
of sort of centrist vote, they split that that only
helps him.

Speaker 11 (01:07:23):
Donnie.

Speaker 14 (01:07:24):
The fact that he's in makes it highly unlikely that
Zuran does not win. I talked to some people last
night who were part of the partnership meeting, and they
were relatively impressed with Souran. They had very serious concerns
and they were impressed. He's very charismatic, which we found.

(01:07:45):
He came twice to National Action Network and some of
them agree with him, some disagree, but they say he's
a lot more personable and more informed than they thought.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Apparently at that meeting, the CEO of Pfizer had asked
him a question about, well, what about globalized the antifato,
which it's just worth reminding everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Wait to see you a fire does Why do you
give a shit about it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I know, yeah, a question, right, okay, whatever, And also
just as a reminder because this he's been lied about
so many times. He never even said that he got
asked about the phrase, he quote unquote refused to condemn it.
Apparently in this meeting he said he would discourage its use,
which is basically what he.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Said from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I mean, it's just it's insane to me that out
of all these people, he's the controversial one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Andrew Clmo had to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Literally resign and disgrace Sager after killing grandma's in the
nursing up and wine covering it up. And I mean
the real reason he was pushed on had to resign,
to your point, was like what eleven different women accused
him of sexual harassment.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
It's just Italian courteous lea.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Has a new line of like he was spanking fannies
and killing granny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
That's good.

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
It's also by the way accurate. They're actually true.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Was indicted on federal corruption charges, has a twenty percent
of rouble rating in the city. I lost track of
the number of members of his administration who were under
indictment or being federally investigated. His former police commissioner has
just accused him of running in court, of running the
NYPD and city Hall as if it is a criminal enterprise.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
And Zoran, that's the controversial one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Okay, sure, Kathy Hokel also I believe stop by Morning
Joe to get asked these very similar questions.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to her too.

Speaker 15 (01:09:27):
I'm going to make sure that we have a climate
where businesses can thrive. They create jobs, they give us
the revenues I need to be able to have very
generous social safety net programs. Everyone is having a hair
on fire moment, and I said, let's just calm it
all down. I've spoken to hundreds of business leaders saying, listen,
nothing is going to happen in this city without me

(01:09:49):
being aware of it and involved in it. So don't
talk about packing up and leaving and all these other
you know, overreactions. We're going to be Okay, No matter
what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
So there you go from her, And interestingly, she's actually
facing a primary challenge. Zorn is pushing of course, for
the top tax you know, for hikes on the top
tax bracket. Hokel has said absolutely not. Her primary opponent
is saying yes, and so that is actually becoming a
core issue in terms of the New York primary. But again,
like he is the Democratic nominee, there is a democratic process.

(01:10:24):
People voted, he won, He won by twelve points. He
completely changed the electorate in a way that you think
Democrats would be like, that's great, how.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Could we do more of that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
And instead they just like, you know, don't know what
to do with, don't know whether to endoors, don't know
what to do with this guy, and a newpole just
came out. I mean, he's winning first of all for
the general election, but also rank and file Democrats, like
the people who vote in the city, they're overwhelmingly positive
about him, like there's no question about it. And his
favorability with young voters is like off the charts, and

(01:10:55):
the other guys are dramatically underwater and hated.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
So it's just such a crazy situation to me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Yeah, especially with your point about what's controversial and what's not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
It's like, okay, you know the tax thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
I mean, by the way, New York, you guys should
think about it because you know, your whole tax system
is relied on taxing the super rich. So if even
twelve people leave, you're actually screwed. You should actually really
reform the way that you guys do that. That's just
my opinion. Also, I was just there for flagrant the
subway shithole. I'm just going to say it. I mean,
it was the day after the floods that came in

(01:11:26):
the entire platform. Imagine waiting in the platform. Everybody is
soaked already from the humidity, and the platform itself is
steaming from all of the flood water, and we're all
crammed in there together and then you walk into the
ac which you think will be refreshing, but actually what
happens is now your entire body is covered and your

(01:11:47):
you know, your suit and everything is wet, and you
absorb the sweat off of another person onto yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
That was my experience yesterday in the New York City something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
So yeah, yeah, we've been there, but it's one of
those as you're like this is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Not great okay in terms of the lighting situation. Didn't
enjoy it myself.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
And so that just shows you like the rank and file,
like the stuff that actually animates people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
That's really what matters.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Also, I did check and Zoron is right, hellal too
fucking expensive, all right. I went to the car and
I said, no, first, I don't have any cash on me.
The guy's not taking card or whatever. And yeah, it's
like twelve thirteen dollars sorries. Too much, man, it's too much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I got New York so much one last week's here
on the Zorn Business Leaders because this was just too
funny putting D three up on the screen. This tweet
just really sent me. So this lady says, tough meeting
for mom Donnie with the Partnership for New York CEOs today,
I'm told stood his ground on into Faddel language and
wouldn't commit to keeping the New York PD Commissioner Tish,
whom this crowd likes in the job, also didn't recognize

(01:12:44):
her dad, Jim Tish, when he rose for a question.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
How dare he.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Not recognize a Tish when they rise for a question?
You know, I know a lot of people out there
in the comments were saying, I'm a single issue voter,
which is can you recognize Jim.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Tish's when he stands for H for a question, I
didn't realize that the NYP commissioner is part of the
Low's dynasty.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Yeah, there, this is actually wild.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I don't know about these families in the country, okay,
And so they were offended that he how dare he
didn't have his billionaire I would work the book Facebook
in front of him anyway. So that's how things are
going in that right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
That's New York

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