July 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Saagar sits down with Andrew Schulz and crew to discuss whether they regret voting for Trump, how they conducted the Trump interview, does JD Vance pass the vibe check?, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:01):
Welcome to Breaking Points, but this time it is being
filmed in the flagrant To studio here with the entire crew.
Thank you guys so much for actually letting me use
your studio if we recorded just a great episode, and
it's really good to be with all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Absolutely all right. So we wanted.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I wanted to do this, both Crystal and I have
been wanting to talk to you guys for a while.
Kind of a reflection of a podcast Bro and the
election Andrew you specifically, I have come under a lot
of fire recently.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Is the podcast Bro the guy who like.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Led the way for Trump but now is apparently having
some regrets, you know, no support he.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Was like gonna lose, okay, but well let's put it
this way.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I wouldn't say it swung the election, but I also
wouldn't say that it wasn't not unimportant to have Trump
on all of these right, And this is just part
of like kind of that segment of the audience. And
so my question is that, in retrospect, do you wish
that you would handle the Trump interview differently?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
No, so going to that a little bit. No, I
regret a single thing about it. I don't know why.
I don't even know where the question comes from.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, the question comes from an idea that there was
a lot of criticism from the quote independent or not
non independent media and they were like, well, Trump is
going on these podcasts to kind of whitewash his reputation
and basically did not face like quote tough journalistic questions.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, it just depends what your expectation of journalism is.
And I think that, Like, I mean, you gun speak
to this a lot. But I was speaking to David
Marquesy at The New York Times about this.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah I read your interview.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah. So it's like and you know, there was some
moments where he was like asking me some questions and
I was like, ah, this is where things feel a
little bit gotcha, because he was assuming that I talked
to Bernie about one thing that I didn't talk to
Trump about, and I'm like, but when did I talk
to Bernie about it?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And he's like, well, I can't exactly say it.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I'm like, well, that's kind of where it feels gotcha,
because you're coming in with a specific intention.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
So like and I actually think that he was like
really fair and that was a great interview. But like
an example of like my least favorite type of journalism,
just the most low hanging fruit is like the girl
that interviewed Tim Dillon.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's not really an interview. It's like indictment.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It's like I think this thing of you, and I
seek to prove that to my audience. I'm not coming
here with any curiosity, so like we don't see ourselves
as like I can't speak for you guys, but like
as journalists so much to say, it's just like people
that are having conversations that we're curious with. Now I
understand that when you get a lot of people listening, like, yeah,
you should, like if you're a responsible person, like think
(02:20):
about like what what you owe I guess to the
audience and have that discussion. That's fair And don't get
me wrong, but like I don't subscribe to this idea
that like you have to ask these hard questions that
you're not curious about, or people that watch will criticize you.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's like you don't have to watch.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Sure, if you're in front of me, I'm gonna ask
you the things that I'm curious about. People, why don't
you ask him about FFC and I'm like, oh, so
he can give the same fucking answer he's given for
the last two decades. It's like he's not gonna immediately
sit down with me and then after three questions like
you know, we use the fuck them.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Kids, Like that's not how these things work, so like
for me, I think one of the reasons for the
rise in podcasting opposed to like normal or traditional media
is that you have people asking questions that they're authentically
interested in.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Instead of asking questions that like they think that their
boss wants them to ask, or they're worried their base
wants to ask. Because now you're not even curious, and
the questions you're asking, you're asking them out of fear
of retribution from your audience, and now you're captured by
your audience instead of your own curiosity.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
And I would also say, yeah, absolutely there are at
that point, And the polls there were actually neck and neck,
and Trump always overperforms in polls, so I don't know
what impact we actually had. But there were two candidates
left for president of the United States. I don't want
to talk to both of them. I want to talk
to both of them. And second of all, there's things
we all talked about that we wanted to ask Trump.
(03:43):
But I could do the thing that feels really good
where I ask I got you a question, and I
dunk on you, and then he gets up and he
walks off and he says, go fuck yourself. I know
I've seen enough interviews with this guy to know I
have to relate to him on a human level. And
then when he feels safe, maybe he'll answer the question
I want to ask, are you gonna run for a
third term?
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Are you willing to have tone down the rhetoric.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
I got to ask those questions, but you had to
get to the point where he's willing to answer those questions.
So I could have done the thing that feels good
and dunked on him, but we would have gotten absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's exact. No, it's important.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You just have to have the things that you want
to ask and ask him. And I had three things
I want to ask about. I asked him about those
three things, okay, and that was it.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
I will say, my only wish is that Kamala came on.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yea.
Speaker 9 (04:28):
To me, it seems like a Nixon Humphreys thing, where
like you know, they have the laughing moment and Nixon
does it and it turns out great, and that it
was a strategic blunder from their side.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
To not go on to these non traditional platforms Alex
or anything.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Same.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I think the question then is.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
If we have Kamala on, you really can't say anything
because we're going to ask kama the same questions.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We're going to have the same curiosity.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
We're gonna laugh with her, we're gonna make her look
like a human.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Exactly, and the authentic curiosity is going to shine through.
And if she bombs the interview, that's on her. If
she does great, that's on her, just like with Trump.
But we're going to ask the things that we're curious about.
And I think that, like the numbers show that if
you look anything from Rogan, you look anything to like
Alex Cooper.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's not just this right wing thing. There's a left wing.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
When people are asking the questions that they're curious about,
the interviews are indulged far more when they're doing puff
piece things like when Alice Cooper had come on, nobody
gives a fuck about it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And I think that tells you everything you want.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, I don't disagree at all. But if we flip
it around, if for Trump were to come back today,
which we hope you will, right, Like I hope you
guys here ask me they put a statement out about
you guys, would it be different tonally this time around,
now that you've actually had him in office? And would
you feel what, like how would you feel as somebody
then who had been critical of him walking into that
(05:46):
like Tonally, would it be different in terms of the
tenor that you might take?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And asking a follow.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Up question here, here's the thing, Like, and we said
this before, like I'm not in one of your fucking cults, right,
I'm not in the right wing called the left wing
called I'm a free American And I'll ask what a
fucking question I don want to ask? Okay, So, like
for me, when somebody's in power, that's not when you relax,
especially if it's a person that you voted for. That's
where you hold them to their promises. So like Trump
(06:11):
comes back on which he is absolutely invited to come
back on as the leader of the free world, I
want to know what's up with the Epstein shit. Like
you campaign hard, your boys camp paid hard, your girls
camp paid hard.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
On it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I want to know why we're not seeing it, and
I want to know why you like, we're so flippant
about it, you know, So I want to know that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I want to know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
With the foreign warst and specifically is is diplomacy harder
than you thought? And what are the what are the
restrictions to your power when it comes to diplomacy? You know,
and like you've been president already, you must know that
diplomacy is difficult. Why do you think it would be
easier this time around? And what are the hiccups? So like,
I want to know these things. But it's not about
(06:49):
like a different tenor or anything like that. When you're
running for president.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's hope. What will you do?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You're selling me dreams, sure, right, and when you are president,
it's delivery, and delivery is way harder than hope, you
know what I mean? Like, I mean, I loved Obama.
I voted for I'm so excited about about Obama. I
know that you're not a big fan, but to me, yes,
And it's like he sold us hope so well. Some
people will be like he under delivered on that hope hope.
Some people would be like he over delivered. It was
(07:15):
amazing to see what he got accomplished. You know, if
you ask anybody who had pre existing conditions, I think
that they're pretty fucking happy Republican or Democrat what he
was able to put through.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So to me, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's just like, and if you're not willing to like
hold the person that you voted for to the standards
that they expected, then you're not a real person.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That cares about like what's happening in America. Yeah, like
if you.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Were one of these people that refused to acknowledge that
Biden was sinal for four years. Yeah, and now you're
lecturing me about holding Trump accountable. I think that you
need to take like a long look in the mirror
about what you're willing.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
To do for the people that you voted for.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That is a very very fair question.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
To add that the questions would be tougher because we
are disappointed in what we're seeing. Sure, but the tenor
of the question still has to be asked in a
way that I feel confident you will answer.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Okay, if it's hey, man, what the fuck are you
doing this bullshit? Ask things sucks? Do you think he's
going to answer that question.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
That's more people who yeah, yeah, well I just I'm
what I'm doing is I'm like imbibing.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
There isn't even like independent media, so like the left,
independent media that I have been able to interact with.
They have a theory that the podcast guys were basically
taken for a ride. Like they're looking at it as look,
Trump knew that he wasn't going to he wasn't going
to get asked anything that he might get on NBC
News or anywhere else. He basically wanted to use the
audience to convince them that he was a normal dude
(08:39):
and get them to vote for him, and that in
retrospect politician.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So I agree, that's I'm just getting to that point.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
So it's like, to the extent that you think that
that happened, like it's it's not a complicity question. It's
really more about a question of how do you balance
that in the art of politics. I think you guys
are more forgivable if that makes sense in that critique,
because you actually have had on a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But I'm saying speaking generally like.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
To the the theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and what
k Neelk Boys and all of the podcasts, the Busting
you Know podcast and all of the busting with the
Boys and all that, Like he obviously used that to
some political advantage, and now many of those people are
upset and they're not necessarily as willing as.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You to kind of speak out against that or to
invite the others.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Who is upset.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Well, I'm saying so some of the people who privately
have had on these people may be upset at the
thing with Trump, right, but they're not as willing right now,
you know what, to be able to say it, or
they're have to couch their criticisms, maybe less so than
you have.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So like, how do you look at it? Like generally,
for me personally, I'm curious.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
I've heard so much things about Trump from the media,
Oh this is that, But seeing him in person, in
long form, he has less of an opportunity to bullshit us. Like,
once you're talking for a good amount of time, you
can start to gauge. And I want to really know
who he was, and I got a sense he was
much sharper than I thought he was, Like he's incredibly
he's he's aware of everything.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, So it's like that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's actually amazing to watch me.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
Anybody who wouldn't want to speak to somebody who's former
president and potentially an exersion a serious person.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Doesn't We're not talking about this isn't a.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Platform, but they're saying that question. They have used us.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This is a about being used like to the extent
of like for to convince voters and to use people.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Because look, I'm telling you guys, this did happen.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Like I had multiple Trump interview requests and they're basically
like no, And I heard it off the record.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's like, bro, you're gonna ask him to our questions
like this. It was literally told to me right now I.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Think, I mean, there's a reason he's going on the
Ovaugh and you know, another place, because they didn't think
that that was going to happen. So I mean, like,
I'm asking for three things I wanted to ask him.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, And the entire interview was, in my mind, I think,
like designed to get him to a place of comfort
where he could honestly speak at length of those things.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I want him to acknowledge. He was going to protect IVF.
It's obviously important to me. It's not my wife and
I we're be able to conceive and.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
The way we're abortion. We wanted to ask him about that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
We did, Oh yeah, we asked them about the abortion
though there but it was yeah, there was like a
little interest that for sure. But for me it was
empathy for the illegals, which doesn't seem that he's doing,
you know.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
And uh and to his credit, Man Andrews said to Trump,
you have had people working in your establishment who were
here ellegal.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, so it's like and then there was one more.
Speaker 10 (11:27):
No, it was not nicer, but what are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And then there was obviously the end of the four and.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Worst Al said, your ear looks fine.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean if you listen, we said, we said, just
as the revision is history. That's so funny.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
And I think it's very important because I think what
happens a lot of time is people are looking to
skirt accountability. So anybody that's critical of these interviews would
like to put all the success of Trump's campaign on
these interviews instead of putting, uh, some accountability on the
fact that they ran a dead guy and then a
woman that couldn't speak like you need to at at
the end of the day, it takes some accountability for
(12:02):
not really having and having another offering that was, you know,
successful to the majority of people totally. So I think
it's easier to just place that blame. So I think
there's a little bit of that going on.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
And we called him out for evading the questions, and
then he was clever enough to come up with a
term that's good.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
But the revision system talking about is if you remember,
and there are plenty of articles that will support this.
The second that interview came out, the conversation was not
look at this puff piece. The conversation was on all
left wing media was podcast host laughs in Trump's face
(12:44):
about claiming that he is a kind of truthful person.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Uh, hell, a breaking point. It was good, It was good.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It was every headline I was watching in real time.
The Kamma campaign was clipping interview and they were clipped it.
They kipped, they clipped it NonStop.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So if you actually look at this, the left wing
media was using this as.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Fuel for their fire.
Speaker 11 (13:09):
They weren't going look at this puff be's they asked
the nice questions when everybody watched.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Initially, the left was very happy about it.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
They're like, finally podcast brobe whatever holds them to the fire.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Finally there's all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So this revisionist history where like after the election results
we look back and be like, oh, they just fluffed them.
It's like, well, what was it fair? Was it the
best interview with Trump, which you guys said the left
wing is saying, or was it the reason he got elected?
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I like, now it's a very fair.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That's why I feel like this stuff is like disingenuous.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Well he lost, it would have been oh Trump ruined
his election by going.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And people did say that, right, remember, like oh, Tony
Hinchcliff is going to cost Trump went.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Up also taken for a ride. This is a ride
that was open to Kamala. She didn't want to come on, right,
So like it was.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Open for wall she didn't want to come on. It
was over for everybody. We literally asked everybody and.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Then Athle Now a lot of them are coming on,
which I think is good and I think it's a
great thing. So what I think that's the interesting part.
You know, to watch Buda Judge kind of come on
here and his clips went massively and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I think, what a lot of people are realizing that
don't just watch headlines. The people who eventually wouldn't really
watch us and had a perception of us, and then
they go watch like the full Buddha Judge interview, they
watch the full is that like this idea that like
we're this like Maga pod is really just kind of
like placed on us. In reality, we're four guys who
live in New York City, born and raised, I mean
(14:33):
Alexander born, raised in New York City, like lifelong Democrats, right,
who felt.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
This, Yeah, we've forgiven the.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
But like but like so this idea of us, I
think you obviously know us, so it's like not really true.
And then I think people were trying to grapple with
when they watched the Buddha Judge interview, like what they
thought we were and then what.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
We actually are. And that's what happens when you only
read and watch headlines.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Now, what I always say is like we're accountable for
that when we put content out on the Internet. You know,
it can be cut and sliced in all these different ways,
so like that's not their fault, that's that's our I
don't want to call fault, but we're accountable That's totally fine, right,
that's the game we play, of course, and eventually we
hope that enough different voices come on the podcast as
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we've all endeavored to do, where people get a better
sense of a sense of us. But like, you're gonna
go through criticism on the way, and if the first
time you get criticism, you fold you never really were
about in the first place.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, all right, let's switch to immigration, because this is
where I find the most interesting divide. So I don't
know if it's true, and I didn't ask Joe if
it was true, but there was a report about dinner.
Joe Rogan had dinner with Trump and he was like, Hey,
I want you to go lighten up on mass deportation.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You have been very open about it. I wish that
he wasn't doing this.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
That's the one thing where I'm like, you really didn't
know what you were voting for. Like there was a
sign that said mass deportation at the RNC right, Like, yeah,
it literally said it. He said, I'm going to declare
the Alien Enemies Act and I'm going to deport them
in me idiately on day one.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Like it was always open season.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
There was no distinction criminal or not maybe sometimes, but
like it was pretty open.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's like if you're illegal, you're going home.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So I mean, look, I understand real politic and like
and you know, you have to balance certain things. But
that's where I've seen some of the like, come on, guys,
like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like in your.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Pushback, like you voted for you quite literally voted for this.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah that's reasonable, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I didn't bring up immigration when I said these weren't
the things I'm voting for, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
That's where yeah, that's where it's just gingenuous.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Like I was specifically talking about Epstein, foreign wars and
the budget. Sure, and then they go, look at all
this stuff with immigration, that's how what you're voting for.
It's like, I'm not bringing that up. I brought that up,
then that would have been the context.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Obviously.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I think the bummer is that, like it's a bipartisan
supported issue to get every criminal illegal alien out of here.
I think when you start to get the divide is
when you have people that have been working for your
family for years. You see these hardworking people that are
doing these businesses.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yes they're here.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Illegally, yes, they came illegally and they knew if they
got caught, they'd be thrown back.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That is the game.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I get that, but it pulls at archings when you
see like a family being torn apart and we you
see them running into a fucking home depot and these
guys scattered it Like, as a human being, you have
an emotional reaction to that. Okay, So I have a
lot of empathy for that, and that's what I spoke
to Trump about. I was like, guys, maybe there's a
better way. I don't know how you go about doing it.
I don't know how Holman does it. But if you
least bare minimum just started with anybody who had committed
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a crime, I think you would get a lot more supports.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Which is what he told us he would do.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I mean, look again, though I want to be fair
to them. Alien Enemies Act was out there like they
were like, this is what we're doing, like Sect by
El Salvador. It was honest.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like, no, I don't think that they I don't think
they were dishonest, but I also don't I also don't
think that like you have to agree with every single
policy that the president has. I totally and I don't
think that you are accountable for every single one. You
could say, you could say, yes, you you supported it,
because if you voted for that person, you did a
Harper said, But it doesn't mean you agree with it,
(18:02):
you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure there's a
lot of people that voted for Obama that might not
agree with drone striking a wedding. Are they responsible for
those deaths? Is that the thing that they voted for? Like,
did I kill those people?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I wouldn't want that to happen, right, So I think
there's a lot of things that governments do. I think
the people that voted for, you know, different politicians in Flint, Michigan,
they don't feel responsible for all those kids were poisoned
by the lead pipes, but technically they did vote for
those politicians that allowed that to happen. So this is
one of those things where it's just like people are hurt,
they're angry, and I think that they're trying to like
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place that blame for that pain and that anger they feel.
And I get that that's a human reaction. You're totally
allowed to do it. But I'm just gonna explain, like
my perspective.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
To your point in two thousand and eight, didn't Obama
say he was against a gay marriage?
Speaker 7 (18:45):
So it can vote for Obama's your fault.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
They didn't get it, must be a homophobe if he
won more votes, and that's how he was able to
become by doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Uh all right.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So the final one, which I think is a very
interesting question, is around vibes. And so the biggest critique
I have seen, and I'll be honest, I even fell
victim to some of this was you guys were voting
on vibes, not on policy, not you specifically, but this
contributed to the vibe based election where you encourage people
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or could guess got people. Everyone was in a headspace
where the vibe was that Kamala and Biden.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Were awful and that Trump was awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So to the extent here that there is regret, was
any of it quote vibes based in retro?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
If you if you remove vibes, yeah, because I think, uh,
vibes is a.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Little bit it's it's hard, no, no, no excitement.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
It was in the ether, say I would say culture, Yeah,
like there's a specific like they.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Invited me to go to the inauguration and I didn't
go to the inauguration.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Good move in retrospect, it's.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
In my opinion, was like, if I go to the inauguration,
I'm indorsing everything about you. Right, I'm going there and
celebrating this moment. It's like, no, no, you have some
ideas that I would like to see implemented, and the
second you don't implement those ideas, I'm on the ass
is very and if you do implement them, I'm going
to praise you for implementing the ideas that I believe
are good. But I think when you start going to
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the event the events, and you start dancing and that
kind of shit, then it makes.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It very difficult for you to hold that person to
the fire.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Look, which is what we're watching right now.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
There's a lot of podcast guys. You went to the inauguration,
and now it's all very tepid.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right, It's like, oh, well, yeah, I will.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
You know it's terrible and they have bad advisors, and
I'm like, well, you know, it's not just the advisor.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
There's there's a whole to that. Ass was a question
you're asking it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Was about vibes, Well, it was just a reflection on
a vibes bas What.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I would say is that, like, I think a lot
of people were voting on culture, and there might not
be policy tied to culture, but for example, like one
cultural issue I think was the identity politics stuff. I
think that there was like an exhaustion by it and
it looked like the culture that Trump was ushering through.
It's like, yo, we're not going to be obsessed with
the word police and the identity politics and everything is
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forty different genders and you've got to put the genders
that your pronouns on your bike.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Like that cultural shift.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I think was very supportively, especially by like the guys
in the manisphere. Let's see, and I think that that
captured people, and that is not necessarily a policy thing,
but you have seen a massive shift, and you see
all these politicians start taking their pronouns out of their
Twitter bio, right you start.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
To see So I don't know what policy that is,
but it does.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Feel like it's a move in a direction for a
culture shift that people want to get on board.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Yes, I totally piggybacking on the culture I would say,
I would call that just excitement because we've seen with
Obama the way that he got people excited. We have
a low voter turnout in general, but he got people
who never voted before excited to vote for the first time.
This last election, Trump got people excited to vote. So
and then you've seen Mamdani Momdani got people exit side
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is to vote in a primary.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
We never vote in primaries. Nobody gives a fun about
New York City. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He won the most votes in primary history and history
with Ranke choice voting.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But still, I mean, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Of That's what I'm saying. It's more about excitement's.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Not Depending on how you described vibes defined vibes, most
elections probably come down to vibe vibes. JFK was fucking vibes,
Bill Clinton was. This is the first time Republicans had
vibes and y'all can't handle it. But that's because y'all
Reagan had vibes. It's the first time in our lifetimes
that they had vibes, and y'all, y'all ransom with no vibes.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Yeah, and then just lost everything. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I mean, that's like they him on that he did
get because he was the against the Iraq war that
that was used against him.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
But it's quint essentially vibe totally gets everywhere.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Howard didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
I'll say it, but the vibe to March Point and
God to her campaign.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
I think we're also trying to run an equal encounter
vibe energy where they were like, we are Joels Yo,
and we are the Party of Joy and those guys
are weird and we're joy.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They were trying to manufacture vibes, right, Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
So then finally if there was a moment where it
felt like they were going to break through, it was summertime.
It was like this, yeah, where like it seemed like
they were having a big turnout at their live events
and they were trying to they were looking at Trump
and they're like, yo, nobody's showing up to his And
then the first debate, like yo, it was it was
there was a moment where it seemed like there was
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a lot of positive energy.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And I've spoken to a lot of my friends that like.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Were really staunch uh Kamala supporters and like worked in
democratic campaigns, and what they said to me, which is
really interesting in retrospect, They're like, I thought Kamala was
going to blow them away.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I thought it was going to be an absolute blowout.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And what this showed me is that I was kind
of existing in a little bit of a bubble.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And I think that that's really helpful.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like, I think it's good that people start to learn
that if you're existing in an echo chamber that's not
only rewarded by like your friends of community, but also
your algorithm, you don't get a real sense of what's
happening in the world. And I think being able to
pull themselves out of that, they start going, oh, maybe
not every person that voted for Trump is maga.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Maybe a lot of people that voted were.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Just rejecting this democratic institution that seemed to like strip
its contents constituents of the democratic process. And I think
now they're starting to realize that. And when you ever
you see like Pete or Bernie or any of these
guys talk about it, they're quite critical of what happened
in these last elections, and that's refreshing.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, I want to hear more from Pete in particular.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Well, also he's part of the machine, but even as
part of the machine, when he came on here, like
he didn't balk at it at.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
All we have, Yeah, but no, you guys did a
good job on that actually, and and to be honest,
you will have to still pay for his role in
all of that, because I mean, he worked for the
guy and he didn't say anything right. And at the
end of the day, I want to end on the
Momdani point, which is what you were talking about, and
you've quite a bit of news.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Maga is very pissed off at you.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
They're like, how is a Muslim socialist pissed me?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But the question is both extremes are pissed with me.
I am in their perfect space.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
All right.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
So then, but let's talk about the New York vote first, comic,
because okay, then to the extent you're a guy in
our culture Matt Damon's and Jason Bourn's in your fucking
promo video, that's that's pretty big, all right. So the
question then on that front is as somebody who voted
for Trump and then can look at a guy like
Mom Donnie who if you were to watch Fox News,
everyone's like, this guy's a Muslim socialist, He's going to
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destroy New York.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And you look at this person, you say, this person.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Is New York first, what in the culture leads you
to that conclusion, and then also to like surmise his
victory here in the Democratic primary in New.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
York I mean New York first, to me means he's
trying to address issues that New Yorkers have instead of
gas letting New Yorkers into thinking.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
They don't have issues.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So, like the specific moment happened obviously when they're all
in that like little like public access debate stage, it
was embarrassing that the greatest city in the history of
the world, they got like three fucking disposable cameras that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Their videotaping is like where a nice studio right now?
Speaker 9 (26:04):
The is going on?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
We should have lent them the studio, right so so uh.
And then they all ask him where their first foreign
trip is going to be, which is not important to
New Yorkers. If I can't pay rent, where you go
for your first foreign trip is not important, okay, and
then he goes, I'm not leaving, I'm going stay right
here and work for New Yorkers. Immediately that's a New
York first mentality, right him doing the halal shit feels
(26:27):
like New York first. Him saying rent freezes now keep
in mind, I disagree with a lot of his policies,
and I am really curious to see how he will
enact them.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
One. I think they'll be quite difficult, given like the
structure of our democracy, Like you're gonna have to deal
with Albany to raise taxes.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I've talked about this as well.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's a procedural point which non New Yorkers actually have
no idea about the way this place is run is insane.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
It's it's very difficult, right, So I do think they'll
have difficulty in executing these things. But when you want
to talk about vibes, we'll talk about culture. What he
is bringing forward is an idea that he is fighting
to get people in New York the things that they need.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
And what they need is savings.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
What they need is e did I get it?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
They need is screens on our windows.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But like, yeah, so, like when I say he's New
York first, it seems like he's actually trying to serve
the people of New York the things that they desperately need.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And do I agree with his solutions?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Can he convince me when he comes on to the podcast. Sure,
I would love to learn why this works from the
people that I've spoken to, Like, I can see some
downstream effects, especially with like the rent freezes and stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That might hurt. But like, let's hear it. I want
to hear it out.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And I feel like they're they're appealing to what New
Yorkers need. I don't know what the fuck Cuomo wants
to do. Has Clomo told you how he's going to
help you? Like he's just going visit Israel?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Though that's great, right, You've put all the people in homes?
Can you let me die? You know, you don't report it.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
That's New York.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
And if you haven't heard anything, that means it's going
to be status quot exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So if they're not saying anything, then you assume it's
going to be the same. And I think that an
important thing that people need to realize. And I think
Trump benefited from this. I think Obama benefit from this.
We have much more leeway for an outsider's ideas than
we do an insider.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Interesting, Okay, why and how would you explain that to
a Democrat who wants to win not just flagrant vote,
but let's say the audience who's watching.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Well, I think an insider the expectation is it's going
to be status quo.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, it's going to be the same thing that we've
existed and that's not working for us. Right.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
So, if you're an insider and you don't have any crazy,
rebellious idea, and you don't because you've been politics for
twenty thirty years, I'm going to assume that the exact
same life that I'm living now is going to happen
when you're in office. An outsider has all these kakamamie
ideas that they might not be able to be implemented,
but at least they have hope that they could be right,
(28:59):
and that is seductive when you're struggling. Hope is the
most amazing thing. It's antidote for everything. So let's see
if they're able to implement it. Let's see if Trump
is able to do these things that he promises he
would do, and then if they don't, let's hold them
to the fire. Let's say m Donnie does get elected
and then he's not able to do these things.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Hold that ask to the fire.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
And just hope for insiders too, because you could be
a Bernie. He's been in the system forever and he's
still goes right.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
That's where he seems like he's like an outcast.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, but I think you can change from inside.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
When you look at the Trump election.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I look back on that kamalas for they them Yad,
and I'm like, holy fuck, that's a massive impact.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Equally with Mamdannie.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I think you watch that clip from that debate that
you talked about, there is no question one of them
seems like an outsider because the insiders are saying I'm.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Gonna go to Israel.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I'm gonna go to And if you're watching that, you're like,
what the fuck does this have to do with anything
that's going along with you guys. And then the fact
that anybody could take obviously my brother, I'm gonna defend him,
always like to take exception to him saying Mamdanni comes
across in New York first, and every other person made
it about another country. And then he says, I'm taking
care of New York first. He literally says he's New
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York first. How are we supposed to interpret that anyway?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And then Portanoy is like he's a socialist, he's communists,
He's doing all these things like just say you're upset
about the Israel.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Shit right, Yeah, stop acting like you don't live in
New York.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Stop acting like you care in Miami exactly, not acting
like you care for like a socialist communist runs New York.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You're upset because he said globalizing. Just make it about that.
You're allowed to make it about that.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But they tried already.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Actually yeah, and it doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
But like you spend enough days, just enough days here
to not pay New.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
York Texas you go back.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
I don't blame you for I do too, but like,
let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like, and you're
allowed to be upset about that. You should say fucking globalized,
defada and then not backing it off knowing what it
means to people. It's like, that's fucked up and you
should be able to be able accountable for it. And
he can be fucked up.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
But don't give me this.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I'm afraid of communists and socialism and try to attribute
this thing.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Jamie Diamond said to me.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Oh, Jamie Diamond knows what New Yorkers are going. Yeah,
he knows a real New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Also, he lives in Connecticut. Any Yeah, I'm pretty sure
you don't FactCheck me.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'm sure care what nobody says about Donnie. If you're
not spending more than fifty one percent of here in.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
This if you're not spending more than fifty one percent,
you're not pot committed. So just shut the fuck up
about it, like we are the one that got to
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I mean, I think that's the final kind of thing
I wanted to end on, was to just look at
whether Again, you don't have to put personalized if you
don't want to. But do you think that the podcast
bro audience is up for grabs for the Democrats the
next Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, why do you say that?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I'm up and it's not just for you, but I'm
talking about the whole egosystem. And you know, let me
tell you what theo Joe Rogan, let me tell you him, Dylan, everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Let me tell you what. Look at the this bug
is going to get killed. Yeah did you get it?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
No?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You didn't? A right as.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
So the I regretted moving the the I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Why it's up for grabs because we're allegedly this big
maga podcast. And Pete Budage just comes on and has
the biggest interview of his career, not our biggest interview
of our career.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
His biggest interview that was it's actually Rogan, Yeah you know,
But like.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
So the biggest interview of his career is our listeners,
right the Bernie comes on has a massive episode with
our listen So what it says to me is that
what you think is our listenership is now. Now we
know this because I've been doing stand up around the
world and I have the most diverse audience in all
of stand up. So all these white people complaining about
all this bullshit who have no friends that are minorities
(32:52):
at all, we laugh at them when we go to
a show and we see what it is and it
looks like the fuck you win. So what I think
is it's very simple. Whoever has the idea is that
meet the needs of the people and can actively convince
us that they can execute those ideas is going to
win our vote. It's going to win my vote. Trump
had better ideas to me. Okay, then what I saw
(33:13):
from the institution, the Democratic Institution, which had a guy
who was dead as president and then inserted another person
that none of us voted for, even in the primary
in the first place. To me, that's subverts democracy and
I don't like that. I'm an American.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
The class issue, I think inflation and then a lot
of foreign wars is an issue that can be won
by either side. Like and if go on that, if
Democrats decide that they're going to really focus on that
in the next election, then I think people, regardless of
which you know, political aisle they fall into, will I think,
you know, be responsible to it.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Can I can I bring up to the going where
we can stress this is like a very important thing
I think for Democrats. Know, when the Republican Party win
union support, it is something that you've got to pay
very close attention to. If the Democratic Party does not
(34:09):
stand for union workers, what is it stand for?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
What is it stand for? I agree, identity politics? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I mean that I think that's what happened. Yeah, I'm
with you.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
The Democratic Party should hold down union support, and when
they decide to either not endorse anybody or some of
them endorse Trump, you have to realize that there's something
else going on here, right Like, and I don't know
that that's That's what I would say, Like, how does
Trump appealing with Republican policies to union workers, right where
(34:38):
the fuck do those cross?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So what I think it is is they just felt
like the Democrats weren't answering any of their concerns.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
To me, it seems like, really, what you're saying is
everything has to be outsider, which is a really interesting
problem for the Democrats because it's a party that venerates
insiders and punishes outsiders guys like Rocana who I know
you guys recently, And that'll be the interesting war for them,
and maybe they will pick a Buddha jet she was
able to speak to you.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And also, you know, mister MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I thinks, all right, I think they'll get it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I hopes that you're right for the sake of the country.
I'm still personally skeptical.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
I think people are just disillusioned.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
A lot of the people, if they listen to this
podcast and vote for Trump, they're just disillusioned with how
things was.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
He seemed like things would be different now they're not.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
I guarantee you a lot of people listening to this
podcast are disillusioned with him right now. So bring us
somebody that feels different that will do differently, and then
they'll vote.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
For that person. Get okay, okay, vibe check question from
all of you.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
JD Vance if he runs in twenty twenty eight, I
think jaj vibecheck on him.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I think JD Vance is going to have to grapple
with one of the most difficult things in the history
of this country, and that is like how AI will
fundamentally change the workforce. And I think that he is
uniquely situated and that he comes from a place in
America that was absolutely devastated by outsourcing. He comes from Appalaysia.
(35:51):
He you know, comes from like a drugged up household, unfortunately,
and he saw what outsourcing does to a community and
once well you could call thriving community, at least there
was some economic impact there. And now you know, it's
like I think there's an Appalachia scholarship that they offer
anybody who basically passes high school.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
You have free college in the state of Ohio. I mean,
they treat white people, they're like Native America.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
It's like it's unbelievable, right, So like for me, I
would ask jd It's like, how are you going to
make sure the rest of America doesn't turn into the
exact place that you grew up in, and what are
you going to do right now?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Like, I don't think you should be waiting.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I think you should be doing it right What policies
are you implementing right now? You have the ear to
the president, what are you telling we need to do
to protect that from happening?
Speaker 7 (36:40):
And how are you going to grapple with that when
Peter Tiele is funding your campaign?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, so this is what I was really that's a
fantastic question.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
By the way, I meant more about like vibe check
as an insider or outsider.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Jog Jog was suspect he seems insidary to me and
that he just seems like a politician, Thank you.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
I think he's a brilliant Camille chameleon. I'm sorry, and
he will mold to whatever he needs to be. Because
the fact that he called Trump pitler and he's now
his vice president, How to the fuck does that happen?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Keeping my personal feelings out of this, because I genuinely
want to know, Like, I'm like, how do how does
how do you guys feel?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I think that we I think we don't really know
what I think.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Like you mentioned the teal thing, I know THEO was
upset about that.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, I'm very because they've invested in him for for
a long time now. They put a lot of money in,
so they're eventually going to ask for something for that.
And I don't know, maybe Trump doesn't get all that
big tech investment if JD's not there, Who knows. But
they didn't think they didn't sign on and tail JD
was announced fair. Yeah, so that's the name of the game,
(37:43):
and I'm sure JD's aware of that. So the thing
about JD is that there's without a question he's been
doing defense for Trump, right, So he is obviously very intelligent.
If you treat him like some country bumpkin, you're a
fucking idiot, He's gonna walk all over you. He's ready
for every fucking interview. And the emotion intelligence is through
the roof.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
The guy is broke as shit, growing up, ends up,
going to Yale.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Offers nothing to the neple babies and Oligarch's kids at Yale,
he offers nothing and somehow manages to navigate that social
stratag which is very difficult even if you're a NEPO.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I've known Jay since twenty fifteen, so I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
What I think a lot of times dem is they
they're not really treating him with maybe the respect that
they and fear that they should.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Once he's unleashed, we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
See what happens. But he's not allowed to be unleased yet.
He's in defense mode for Trump. Trump sucks up.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
JD goes and explains it in a way that everybody goes, Oh,
that is kind of a good point. You know.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
He's like, she's like a think tank for when Trump
does something that's unpopular, I want to know what he
gotta do.
Speaker 9 (38:41):
But yeah, he's gonna have a massive issue depending on
how Trump's you know, second term actually finishes, because he'll
ultimately have to answer for a lot of the domestic
as well as the foreign policy sessions, and if there's
some type of like foreign invasion in Iran, then he
will either have to distance himself internally, which as we know,
Trump like is adamant about loyalist and so he's here
(39:03):
now criticizing Zelensky in the White House and then we'll
have to somehow backtrack on that if he's trying to
get elected, or he'll have to try to justify an
IRN evasion if in the event that that happens, hopefully not,
and I think that it will be consequential if he
trust run.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
I think if Trump ends his term really poorly, I
don't think he wins the primary. And if it ends
really well, I think Trump is going to run for
a third term.
Speaker 7 (39:25):
That's it gonna do.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I like guys, Andrew, you got to get out of here.
Thank you guys so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Let me use a studio anytime.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
We appreciate you.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:01):
Welcome to Breaking Points, but this time it is being
filmed in the flagrant To studio here with the entire crew.
Thank you guys so much for actually letting me use
your studio if we recorded just a great episode, and
it's really good to be with all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Absolutely all right. So we wanted.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I wanted to do this, both Crystal and I have
been wanting to talk to you guys for a while.
Kind of a reflection of a podcast Bro and the
election Andrew you specifically, I have come under a lot
of fire recently.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Is the podcast Bro the guy who like.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Led the way for Trump but now is apparently having
some regrets, you know, no support he.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Was like gonna lose, okay, but well let's put it
this way.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I wouldn't say it swung the election, but I also
wouldn't say that it wasn't not unimportant to have Trump
on all of these right, And this is just part
of like kind of that segment of the audience. And
so my question is that, in retrospect, do you wish
that you would handle the Trump interview differently?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
No, so going to that a little bit. No, I
regret a single thing about it. I don't know why.
I don't even know where the question comes from.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, the question comes from an idea that there was
a lot of criticism from the quote independent or not
non independent media and they were like, well, Trump is
going on these podcasts to kind of whitewash his reputation
and basically did not face like quote tough journalistic questions.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, it just depends what your expectation of journalism is.
And I think that, Like, I mean, you gun speak
to this a lot. But I was speaking to David
Marquesy at The New York Times about this.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah I read your interview.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah. So it's like and you know, there was some
moments where he was like asking me some questions and
I was like, ah, this is where things feel a
little bit gotcha, because he was assuming that I talked
to Bernie about one thing that I didn't talk to
Trump about, and I'm like, but when did I talk
to Bernie about it?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And he's like, well, I can't exactly say it.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I'm like, well, that's kind of where it feels gotcha,
because you're coming in with a specific intention.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
So like and I actually think that he was like
really fair and that was a great interview. But like
an example of like my least favorite type of journalism,
just the most low hanging fruit is like the girl
that interviewed Tim Dillon.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's not really an interview. It's like indictment.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It's like I think this thing of you, and I
seek to prove that to my audience. I'm not coming
here with any curiosity, so like we don't see ourselves
as like I can't speak for you guys, but like
as journalists so much to say, it's just like people
that are having conversations that we're curious with. Now I
understand that when you get a lot of people listening, like, yeah,
you should, like if you're a responsible person, like think
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about like what what you owe I guess to the
audience and have that discussion. That's fair And don't get
me wrong, but like I don't subscribe to this idea
that like you have to ask these hard questions that
you're not curious about, or people that watch will criticize you.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's like you don't have to watch.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Sure, if you're in front of me, I'm gonna ask
you the things that I'm curious about. People, why don't
you ask him about FFC and I'm like, oh, so
he can give the same fucking answer he's given for
the last two decades. It's like he's not gonna immediately
sit down with me and then after three questions like
you know, we use the fuck them.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Kids, Like that's not how these things work, so like
for me, I think one of the reasons for the
rise in podcasting opposed to like normal or traditional media
is that you have people asking questions that they're authentically
interested in.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Instead of asking questions that like they think that their
boss wants them to ask, or they're worried their base
wants to ask. Because now you're not even curious, and
the questions you're asking, you're asking them out of fear
of retribution from your audience, and now you're captured by
your audience instead of your own curiosity.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
And I would also say, yeah, absolutely there are at
that point, And the polls there were actually neck and neck,
and Trump always overperforms in polls, so I don't know
what impact we actually had. But there were two candidates
left for president of the United States. I don't want
to talk to both of them. I want to talk
to both of them. And second of all, there's things
we all talked about that we wanted to ask Trump.
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But I could do the thing that feels really good
where I ask I got you a question, and I
dunk on you, and then he gets up and he
walks off and he says, go fuck yourself. I know
I've seen enough interviews with this guy to know I
have to relate to him on a human level. And
then when he feels safe, maybe he'll answer the question
I want to ask, are you gonna run for a
third term?
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Are you willing to have tone down the rhetoric.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
I got to ask those questions, but you had to
get to the point where he's willing to answer those questions.
So I could have done the thing that feels good
and dunked on him, but we would have gotten absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's exact. No, it's important.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You just have to have the things that you want
to ask and ask him. And I had three things
I want to ask about. I asked him about those
three things, okay, and that was it.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
I will say, my only wish is that Kamala came on.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yea.
Speaker 9 (04:28):
To me, it seems like a Nixon Humphreys thing, where
like you know, they have the laughing moment and Nixon
does it and it turns out great, and that it
was a strategic blunder from their side.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
To not go on to these non traditional platforms Alex
or anything.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Same.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I think the question then is.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
If we have Kamala on, you really can't say anything
because we're going to ask kama the same questions.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We're going to have the same curiosity.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
We're gonna laugh with her, we're gonna make her look
like a human.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Exactly, and the authentic curiosity is going to shine through.
And if she bombs the interview, that's on her. If
she does great, that's on her, just like with Trump.
But we're going to ask the things that we're curious about.
And I think that, like the numbers show that if
you look anything from Rogan, you look anything to like
Alex Cooper.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's not just this right wing thing. There's a left wing.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
When people are asking the questions that they're curious about,
the interviews are indulged far more when they're doing puff
piece things like when Alice Cooper had come on, nobody
gives a fuck about it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And I think that tells you everything you want.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, I don't disagree at all. But if we flip
it around, if for Trump were to come back today,
which we hope you will, right, Like I hope you
guys here ask me they put a statement out about
you guys, would it be different tonally this time around,
now that you've actually had him in office? And would
you feel what, like how would you feel as somebody
then who had been critical of him walking into that
(05:46):
like Tonally, would it be different in terms of the
tenor that you might take?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And asking a follow.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Up question here, here's the thing, Like, and we said
this before, like I'm not in one of your fucking cults, right,
I'm not in the right wing called the left wing
called I'm a free American And I'll ask what a
fucking question I don want to ask? Okay, So, like
for me, when somebody's in power, that's not when you relax,
especially if it's a person that you voted for. That's
where you hold them to their promises. So like Trump
(06:11):
comes back on which he is absolutely invited to come
back on as the leader of the free world, I
want to know what's up with the Epstein shit. Like
you campaign hard, your boys camp paid hard, your girls
camp paid hard.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
On it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I want to know why we're not seeing it, and
I want to know why you like, we're so flippant
about it, you know, So I want to know that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I want to know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
With the foreign warst and specifically is is diplomacy harder
than you thought? And what are the what are the
restrictions to your power when it comes to diplomacy? You know,
and like you've been president already, you must know that
diplomacy is difficult. Why do you think it would be
easier this time around? And what are the hiccups? So like,
I want to know these things. But it's not about
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like a different tenor or anything like that. When you're
running for president.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's hope. What will you do?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You're selling me dreams, sure, right, and when you are president,
it's delivery, and delivery is way harder than hope, you
know what I mean? Like, I mean, I loved Obama.
I voted for I'm so excited about about Obama. I
know that you're not a big fan, but to me, yes,
And it's like he sold us hope so well. Some
people will be like he under delivered on that hope hope.
Some people would be like he over delivered. It was
(07:15):
amazing to see what he got accomplished. You know, if
you ask anybody who had pre existing conditions, I think
that they're pretty fucking happy Republican or Democrat what he
was able to put through.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So to me, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's just like, and if you're not willing to like
hold the person that you voted for to the standards
that they expected, then you're not a real person.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That cares about like what's happening in America. Yeah, like
if you.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Were one of these people that refused to acknowledge that
Biden was sinal for four years. Yeah, and now you're
lecturing me about holding Trump accountable. I think that you
need to take like a long look in the mirror
about what you're willing.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
To do for the people that you voted for.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That is a very very fair question.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
To add that the questions would be tougher because we
are disappointed in what we're seeing. Sure, but the tenor
of the question still has to be asked in a
way that I feel confident you will answer.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Okay, if it's hey, man, what the fuck are you
doing this bullshit? Ask things sucks? Do you think he's
going to answer that question.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
That's more people who yeah, yeah, well I just I'm
what I'm doing is I'm like imbibing.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
There isn't even like independent media, so like the left,
independent media that I have been able to interact with.
They have a theory that the podcast guys were basically
taken for a ride. Like they're looking at it as look,
Trump knew that he wasn't going to he wasn't going
to get asked anything that he might get on NBC
News or anywhere else. He basically wanted to use the
audience to convince them that he was a normal dude
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and get them to vote for him, and that in
retrospect politician.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So I agree, that's I'm just getting to that point.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
So it's like, to the extent that you think that
that happened, like it's it's not a complicity question. It's
really more about a question of how do you balance
that in the art of politics. I think you guys
are more forgivable if that makes sense in that critique,
because you actually have had on a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But I'm saying speaking generally like.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
To the the theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and what
k Neelk Boys and all of the podcasts, the Busting
you Know podcast and all of the busting with the
Boys and all that, Like he obviously used that to
some political advantage, and now many of those people are
upset and they're not necessarily as willing as.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You to kind of speak out against that or to
invite the others.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Who is upset.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Well, I'm saying so some of the people who privately
have had on these people may be upset at the
thing with Trump, right, but they're not as willing right now,
you know what, to be able to say it, or
they're have to couch their criticisms, maybe less so than
you have.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So like, how do you look at it? Like generally,
for me personally, I'm curious.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
I've heard so much things about Trump from the media,
Oh this is that, But seeing him in person, in
long form, he has less of an opportunity to bullshit us. Like,
once you're talking for a good amount of time, you
can start to gauge. And I want to really know
who he was, and I got a sense he was
much sharper than I thought he was, Like he's incredibly
he's he's aware of everything.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, So it's like that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's actually amazing to watch me.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
Anybody who wouldn't want to speak to somebody who's former
president and potentially an exersion a serious person.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Doesn't We're not talking about this isn't a.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Platform, but they're saying that question. They have used us.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This is a about being used like to the extent
of like for to convince voters and to use people.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Because look, I'm telling you guys, this did happen.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Like I had multiple Trump interview requests and they're basically
like no, And I heard it off the record.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's like, bro, you're gonna ask him to our questions
like this. It was literally told to me right now I.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Think, I mean, there's a reason he's going on the
Ovaugh and you know, another place, because they didn't think
that that was going to happen. So I mean, like,
I'm asking for three things I wanted to ask him.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, And the entire interview was, in my mind, I think,
like designed to get him to a place of comfort
where he could honestly speak at length of those things.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I want him to acknowledge. He was going to protect IVF.
It's obviously important to me. It's not my wife and
I we're be able to conceive and.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
The way we're abortion. We wanted to ask him about that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
We did, Oh yeah, we asked them about the abortion
though there but it was yeah, there was like a
little interest that for sure. But for me it was
empathy for the illegals, which doesn't seem that he's doing,
you know.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
And uh and to his credit, Man Andrews said to Trump,
you have had people working in your establishment who were
here ellegal.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, so it's like and then there was one more.
Speaker 10 (11:27):
No, it was not nicer, but what are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And then there was obviously the end of the four and.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Worst Al said, your ear looks fine.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean if you listen, we said, we said, just
as the revision is history. That's so funny.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
And I think it's very important because I think what
happens a lot of time is people are looking to
skirt accountability. So anybody that's critical of these interviews would
like to put all the success of Trump's campaign on
these interviews instead of putting, uh, some accountability on the
fact that they ran a dead guy and then a
woman that couldn't speak like you need to at at
the end of the day, it takes some accountability for
(12:02):
not really having and having another offering that was, you know,
successful to the majority of people totally. So I think
it's easier to just place that blame. So I think
there's a little bit of that going on.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
And we called him out for evading the questions, and
then he was clever enough to come up with a
term that's good.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
But the revision system talking about is if you remember,
and there are plenty of articles that will support this.
The second that interview came out, the conversation was not
look at this puff piece. The conversation was on all
left wing media was podcast host laughs in Trump's face
(12:44):
about claiming that he is a kind of truthful person.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Uh, hell, a breaking point. It was good, It was good.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It was every headline I was watching in real time.
The Kamma campaign was clipping interview and they were clipped it.
They kipped, they clipped it NonStop.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So if you actually look at this, the left wing
media was using this as.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Fuel for their fire.
Speaker 11 (13:09):
They weren't going look at this puff be's they asked
the nice questions when everybody watched.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Initially, the left was very happy about it.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
They're like, finally podcast brobe whatever holds them to the fire.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Finally there's all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So this revisionist history where like after the election results
we look back and be like, oh, they just fluffed them.
It's like, well, what was it fair? Was it the
best interview with Trump, which you guys said the left
wing is saying, or was it the reason he got elected?
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I like, now it's a very fair.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That's why I feel like this stuff is like disingenuous.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Well he lost, it would have been oh Trump ruined
his election by going.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And people did say that, right, remember, like oh, Tony
Hinchcliff is going to cost Trump went.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Up also taken for a ride. This is a ride
that was open to Kamala. She didn't want to come on, right,
So like it was.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Open for wall she didn't want to come on. It
was over for everybody. We literally asked everybody and.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Then Athle Now a lot of them are coming on,
which I think is good and I think it's a
great thing. So what I think that's the interesting part.
You know, to watch Buda Judge kind of come on
here and his clips went massively and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I think, what a lot of people are realizing that
don't just watch headlines. The people who eventually wouldn't really
watch us and had a perception of us, and then
they go watch like the full Buddha Judge interview, they
watch the full is that like this idea that like
we're this like Maga pod is really just kind of
like placed on us. In reality, we're four guys who
live in New York City, born and raised, I mean
(14:33):
Alexander born, raised in New York City, like lifelong Democrats, right,
who felt.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
This, Yeah, we've forgiven the.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
But like but like so this idea of us, I
think you obviously know us, so it's like not really true.
And then I think people were trying to grapple with
when they watched the Buddha Judge interview, like what they
thought we were and then what.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
We actually are. And that's what happens when you only
read and watch headlines.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Now, what I always say is like we're accountable for
that when we put content out on the Internet. You know,
it can be cut and sliced in all these different ways,
so like that's not their fault, that's that's our I
don't want to call fault, but we're accountable That's totally fine, right,
that's the game we play, of course, and eventually we
hope that enough different voices come on the podcast as
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we've all endeavored to do, where people get a better
sense of a sense of us. But like, you're gonna
go through criticism on the way, and if the first
time you get criticism, you fold you never really were
about in the first place.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, all right, let's switch to immigration, because this is
where I find the most interesting divide. So I don't
know if it's true, and I didn't ask Joe if
it was true, but there was a report about dinner.
Joe Rogan had dinner with Trump and he was like, Hey,
I want you to go lighten up on mass deportation.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You have been very open about it. I wish that
he wasn't doing this.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
That's the one thing where I'm like, you really didn't
know what you were voting for. Like there was a
sign that said mass deportation at the RNC right, Like, yeah,
it literally said it. He said, I'm going to declare
the Alien Enemies Act and I'm going to deport them
in me idiately on day one.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Like it was always open season.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
There was no distinction criminal or not maybe sometimes, but
like it was pretty open.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's like if you're illegal, you're going home.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So I mean, look, I understand real politic and like
and you know, you have to balance certain things. But
that's where I've seen some of the like, come on, guys,
like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like in your.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Pushback, like you voted for you quite literally voted for this.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah that's reasonable, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I didn't bring up immigration when I said these weren't
the things I'm voting for, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
That's where yeah, that's where it's just gingenuous.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Like I was specifically talking about Epstein, foreign wars and
the budget. Sure, and then they go, look at all
this stuff with immigration, that's how what you're voting for.
It's like, I'm not bringing that up. I brought that up,
then that would have been the context.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Obviously.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I think the bummer is that, like it's a bipartisan
supported issue to get every criminal illegal alien out of here.
I think when you start to get the divide is
when you have people that have been working for your
family for years. You see these hardworking people that are
doing these businesses.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yes they're here.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Illegally, yes, they came illegally and they knew if they
got caught, they'd be thrown back.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That is the game.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I get that, but it pulls at archings when you
see like a family being torn apart and we you
see them running into a fucking home depot and these
guys scattered it Like, as a human being, you have
an emotional reaction to that. Okay, So I have a
lot of empathy for that, and that's what I spoke
to Trump about. I was like, guys, maybe there's a
better way. I don't know how you go about doing it.
I don't know how Holman does it. But if you
least bare minimum just started with anybody who had committed
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a crime, I think you would get a lot more supports.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Which is what he told us he would do.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I mean, look again, though I want to be fair
to them. Alien Enemies Act was out there like they
were like, this is what we're doing, like Sect by
El Salvador. It was honest.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like, no, I don't think that they I don't think
they were dishonest, but I also don't I also don't
think that like you have to agree with every single
policy that the president has. I totally and I don't
think that you are accountable for every single one. You
could say, you could say, yes, you you supported it,
because if you voted for that person, you did a
Harper said, But it doesn't mean you agree with it,
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you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure there's a
lot of people that voted for Obama that might not
agree with drone striking a wedding. Are they responsible for
those deaths? Is that the thing that they voted for? Like,
did I kill those people?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I wouldn't want that to happen, right, So I think
there's a lot of things that governments do. I think
the people that voted for, you know, different politicians in Flint, Michigan,
they don't feel responsible for all those kids were poisoned
by the lead pipes, but technically they did vote for
those politicians that allowed that to happen. So this is
one of those things where it's just like people are hurt,
they're angry, and I think that they're trying to like
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place that blame for that pain and that anger they feel.
And I get that that's a human reaction. You're totally
allowed to do it. But I'm just gonna explain, like
my perspective.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
To your point in two thousand and eight, didn't Obama
say he was against a gay marriage?
Speaker 7 (18:45):
So it can vote for Obama's your fault.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
They didn't get it, must be a homophobe if he
won more votes, and that's how he was able to
become by doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Uh all right.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So the final one, which I think is a very
interesting question, is around vibes. And so the biggest critique
I have seen, and I'll be honest, I even fell
victim to some of this was you guys were voting
on vibes, not on policy, not you specifically, but this
contributed to the vibe based election where you encourage people
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or could guess got people. Everyone was in a headspace
where the vibe was that Kamala and Biden.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Were awful and that Trump was awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So to the extent here that there is regret, was
any of it quote vibes based in retro?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
If you if you remove vibes, yeah, because I think, uh,
vibes is a.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Little bit it's it's hard, no, no, no excitement.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
It was in the ether, say I would say culture, Yeah,
like there's a specific like they.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Invited me to go to the inauguration and I didn't
go to the inauguration.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Good move in retrospect, it's.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
In my opinion, was like, if I go to the inauguration,
I'm indorsing everything about you. Right, I'm going there and
celebrating this moment. It's like, no, no, you have some
ideas that I would like to see implemented, and the
second you don't implement those ideas, I'm on the ass
is very and if you do implement them, I'm going
to praise you for implementing the ideas that I believe
are good. But I think when you start going to
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the event the events, and you start dancing and that
kind of shit, then it makes.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It very difficult for you to hold that person to
the fire.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Look, which is what we're watching right now.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
There's a lot of podcast guys. You went to the inauguration,
and now it's all very tepid.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Right, It's like, oh, well, yeah, I will.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
You know it's terrible and they have bad advisors, and
I'm like, well, you know, it's not just the advisor.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
There's there's a whole to that. Ass was a question
you're asking it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Was about vibes, Well, it was just a reflection on
a vibes bas What.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I would say is that, like, I think a lot
of people were voting on culture, and there might not
be policy tied to culture, but for example, like one
cultural issue I think was the identity politics stuff. I
think that there was like an exhaustion by it and
it looked like the culture that Trump was ushering through.
It's like, yo, we're not going to be obsessed with
the word police and the identity politics and everything is
(21:07):
forty different genders and you've got to put the genders
that your pronouns on your bike.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Like that cultural shift.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I think was very supportively, especially by like the guys
in the manisphere. Let's see, and I think that that
captured people, and that is not necessarily a policy thing,
but you have seen a massive shift, and you see
all these politicians start taking their pronouns out of their
Twitter bio, right you start.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
To see So I don't know what policy that is,
but it does.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Feel like it's a move in a direction for a
culture shift that people want to get on board.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Yes, I totally piggybacking on the culture I would say,
I would call that just excitement because we've seen with
Obama the way that he got people excited. We have
a low voter turnout in general, but he got people
who never voted before excited to vote for the first time.
This last election, Trump got people excited to vote. So
and then you've seen Mamdani Momdani got people exit side
(22:00):
is to vote in a primary.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
We never vote in primaries. Nobody gives a fun about
New York City. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He won the most votes in primary history and history
with Ranke choice voting.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But still, I mean, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Of That's what I'm saying. It's more about excitement's.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Not Depending on how you described vibes defined vibes, most
elections probably come down to vibe vibes. JFK was fucking vibes,
Bill Clinton was. This is the first time Republicans had
vibes and y'all can't handle it. But that's because y'all
Reagan had vibes. It's the first time in our lifetimes
that they had vibes, and y'all, y'all ransom with no vibes.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Yeah, and then just lost everything. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I mean, that's like they him on that he did
get because he was the against the Iraq war that
that was used against him.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
But it's quint essentially vibe totally gets everywhere.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Howard didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
I'll say it, but the vibe to March Point and
God to her campaign.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
I think we're also trying to run an equal encounter
vibe energy where they were like, we are Joels Yo,
and we are the Party of Joy and those guys
are weird and we're joy.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They were trying to manufacture vibes, right, Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
So then finally if there was a moment where it
felt like they were going to break through, it was summertime.
It was like this, yeah, where like it seemed like
they were having a big turnout at their live events
and they were trying to they were looking at Trump
and they're like, yo, nobody's showing up to his And
then the first debate, like yo, it was it was
there was a moment where it seemed like there was
(23:27):
a lot of positive energy.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And I've spoken to a lot of my friends that like.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Were really staunch uh Kamala supporters and like worked in
democratic campaigns, and what they said to me, which is
really interesting in retrospect, They're like, I thought Kamala was
going to blow them away.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I thought it was going to be an absolute blowout.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And what this showed me is that I was kind
of existing in a little bit of a bubble.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And I think that that's really helpful.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like, I think it's good that people start to learn
that if you're existing in an echo chamber that's not
only rewarded by like your friends of community, but also
your algorithm, you don't get a real sense of what's
happening in the world. And I think being able to
pull themselves out of that, they start going, oh, maybe
not every person that voted for Trump is maga.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Maybe a lot of people that voted were.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Just rejecting this democratic institution that seemed to like strip
its contents constituents of the democratic process. And I think
now they're starting to realize that. And when you ever
you see like Pete or Bernie or any of these
guys talk about it, they're quite critical of what happened
in these last elections, and that's refreshing.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, I want to hear more from Pete in particular.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Well, also he's part of the machine, but even as
part of the machine, when he came on here, like
he didn't balk at it at.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
All we have, Yeah, but no, you guys did a
good job on that actually, and and to be honest,
you will have to still pay for his role in
all of that, because I mean, he worked for the
guy and he didn't say anything right. And at the
end of the day, I want to end on the
Momdani point, which is what you were talking about, and
you've quite a bit of news.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Maga is very pissed off at you.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
They're like, how is a Muslim socialist pissed me?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But the question is both extremes are pissed with me.
I am in their perfect space.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
All right.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
So then, but let's talk about the New York vote first, comic,
because okay, then to the extent you're a guy in
our culture Matt Damon's and Jason Bourn's in your fucking
promo video, that's that's pretty big, all right. So the
question then on that front is as somebody who voted
for Trump and then can look at a guy like
Mom Donnie who if you were to watch Fox News,
everyone's like, this guy's a Muslim socialist, He's going to
(25:27):
destroy New York.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And you look at this person, you say, this person.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Is New York first, what in the culture leads you
to that conclusion, and then also to like surmise his
victory here in the Democratic primary in New.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
York I mean New York first, to me means he's
trying to address issues that New Yorkers have instead of
gas letting New Yorkers into thinking.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
They don't have issues.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So, like the specific moment happened obviously when they're all
in that like little like public access debate stage, it
was embarrassing that the greatest city in the history of
the world, they got like three fucking disposable cameras that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Their videotaping is like where a nice studio right now?
Speaker 9 (26:04):
The is going on?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
We should have lent them the studio, right so so uh.
And then they all ask him where their first foreign
trip is going to be, which is not important to
New Yorkers. If I can't pay rent, where you go
for your first foreign trip is not important, okay, and
then he goes, I'm not leaving, I'm going stay right
here and work for New Yorkers. Immediately that's a New
York first mentality, right him doing the halal shit feels
(26:27):
like New York first. Him saying rent freezes now keep
in mind, I disagree with a lot of his policies,
and I am really curious to see how he will
enact them.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
One. I think they'll be quite difficult, given like the
structure of our democracy, Like you're gonna have to deal
with Albany to raise taxes.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I've talked about this as well.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's a procedural point which non New Yorkers actually have
no idea about the way this place is run is insane.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
It's it's very difficult, right, So I do think they'll
have difficulty in executing these things. But when you want
to talk about vibes, we'll talk about culture. What he
is bringing forward is an idea that he is fighting
to get people in New York the things that they need.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
And what they need is savings.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
What they need is e did I get it?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
They need is screens on our windows.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But like, yeah, so, like when I say he's New
York first, it seems like he's actually trying to serve
the people of New York the things that they desperately need.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And do I agree with his solutions?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Can he convince me when he comes on to the podcast. Sure,
I would love to learn why this works from the
people that I've spoken to, Like, I can see some
downstream effects, especially with like the rent freezes and stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That might hurt. But like, let's hear it. I want
to hear it out.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And I feel like they're they're appealing to what New
Yorkers need. I don't know what the fuck Cuomo wants
to do. Has Clomo told you how he's going to
help you? Like he's just going visit Israel?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Though that's great, right, You've put all the people in homes?
Can you let me die? You know, you don't report it.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
That's New York.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
And if you haven't heard anything, that means it's going
to be status quot exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So if they're not saying anything, then you assume it's
going to be the same. And I think that an
important thing that people need to realize. And I think
Trump benefited from this. I think Obama benefit from this.
We have much more leeway for an outsider's ideas than
we do an insider.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Interesting, Okay, why and how would you explain that to
a Democrat who wants to win not just flagrant vote,
but let's say the audience who's watching.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Well, I think an insider the expectation is it's going
to be status quo.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, it's going to be the same thing that we've
existed and that's not working for us. Right.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
So, if you're an insider and you don't have any crazy,
rebellious idea, and you don't because you've been politics for
twenty thirty years, I'm going to assume that the exact
same life that I'm living now is going to happen
when you're in office. An outsider has all these kakamamie
ideas that they might not be able to be implemented,
but at least they have hope that they could be right,
(28:59):
and that is seductive when you're struggling. Hope is the
most amazing thing. It's antidote for everything. So let's see
if they're able to implement it. Let's see if Trump
is able to do these things that he promises he
would do, and then if they don't, let's hold them
to the fire. Let's say m Donnie does get elected
and then he's not able to do these things.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Hold that ask to the fire.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
And just hope for insiders too, because you could be
a Bernie. He's been in the system forever and he's
still goes right.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
That's where he seems like he's like an outcast.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, but I think you can change from inside.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
When you look at the Trump election.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I look back on that kamalas for they them Yad,
and I'm like, holy fuck, that's a massive impact.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Equally with Mamdannie.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I think you watch that clip from that debate that
you talked about, there is no question one of them
seems like an outsider because the insiders are saying I'm.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Gonna go to Israel.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I'm gonna go to And if you're watching that, you're like,
what the fuck does this have to do with anything
that's going along with you guys. And then the fact
that anybody could take obviously my brother, I'm gonna defend him,
always like to take exception to him saying Mamdanni comes
across in New York first, and every other person made
it about another country. And then he says, I'm taking
care of New York first. He literally says he's New
(30:09):
York first. How are we supposed to interpret that anyway?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And then Portanoy is like he's a socialist, he's communists,
He's doing all these things like just say you're upset
about the Israel.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Shit right, Yeah, stop acting like you don't live in
New York.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Stop acting like you care in Miami exactly, not acting
like you care for like a socialist communist runs New York.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You're upset because he said globalizing. Just make it about that.
You're allowed to make it about that.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But they tried already.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Actually yeah, and it doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
But like you spend enough days, just enough days here
to not pay New.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
York Texas you go back.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
I don't blame you for I do too, but like,
let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like, and you're
allowed to be upset about that. You should say fucking globalized,
defada and then not backing it off knowing what it
means to people. It's like, that's fucked up and you
should be able to be able accountable for it. And
he can be fucked up.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
But don't give me this.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I'm afraid of communists and socialism and try to attribute
this thing.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Jamie Diamond said to me.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Oh, Jamie Diamond knows what New Yorkers are going. Yeah,
he knows a real New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Also, he lives in Connecticut. Any Yeah, I'm pretty sure
you don't FactCheck me.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'm sure care what nobody says about Donnie. If you're
not spending more than fifty one percent of here in.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
This if you're not spending more than fifty one percent,
you're not pot committed. So just shut the fuck up
about it, like we are the one that got to
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I mean, I think that's the final kind of thing
I wanted to end on, was to just look at
whether Again, you don't have to put personalized if you
don't want to. But do you think that the podcast
bro audience is up for grabs for the Democrats the
next Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, why do you say that?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I'm up and it's not just for you, but I'm
talking about the whole egosystem. And you know, let me
tell you what theo Joe Rogan, let me tell you him, Dylan, everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Let me tell you what. Look at the this bug
is going to get killed. Yeah did you get it?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
No?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You didn't? A right as.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
So the I regretted moving the the I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Why it's up for grabs because we're allegedly this big
maga podcast. And Pete Budage just comes on and has
the biggest interview of his career, not our biggest interview
of our career.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
His biggest interview that was it's actually Rogan, Yeah you know,
But like.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
So the biggest interview of his career is our listeners,
right the Bernie comes on has a massive episode with
our listen So what it says to me is that
what you think is our listenership is now. Now we
know this because I've been doing stand up around the
world and I have the most diverse audience in all
of stand up. So all these white people complaining about
all this bullshit who have no friends that are minorities
(32:52):
at all, we laugh at them when we go to
a show and we see what it is and it
looks like the fuck you win. So what I think
is it's very simple. Whoever has the idea is that
meet the needs of the people and can actively convince
us that they can execute those ideas is going to
win our vote. It's going to win my vote. Trump
had better ideas to me. Okay, then what I saw
(33:13):
from the institution, the Democratic Institution, which had a guy
who was dead as president and then inserted another person
that none of us voted for, even in the primary
in the first place. To me, that's subverts democracy and
I don't like that. I'm an American.
Speaker 9 (33:29):
The class issue, I think inflation and then a lot
of foreign wars is an issue that can be won
by either side. Like and if go on that, if
Democrats decide that they're going to really focus on that
in the next election, then I think people, regardless of
which you know, political aisle they fall into, will I think,
you know, be responsible to it.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Can I can I bring up to the going where
we can stress this is like a very important thing
I think for Democrats. Know, when the Republican Party win
union support, it is something that you've got to pay
very close attention to. If the Democratic Party does not
(34:09):
stand for union workers, what is it stand for?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
What is it stand for? I agree, identity politics? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I mean that I think that's what happened. Yeah, I'm
with you.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
The Democratic Party should hold down union support, and when
they decide to either not endorse anybody or some of
them endorse Trump, you have to realize that there's something
else going on here, right Like, and I don't know
that that's That's what I would say, Like, how does
Trump appealing with Republican policies to union workers, right where
(34:38):
the fuck do those cross?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So what I think it is is they just felt
like the Democrats weren't answering any of their concerns.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
To me, it seems like, really, what you're saying is
everything has to be outsider, which is a really interesting
problem for the Democrats because it's a party that venerates
insiders and punishes outsiders guys like Rocana who I know
you guys recently, And that'll be the interesting war for them,
and maybe they will pick a Buddha jet she was
able to speak to you.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And also, you know, mister MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I thinks, all right, I think they'll get it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I hopes that you're right for the sake of the country.
I'm still personally skeptical.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
I think people are just disillusioned.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
A lot of the people, if they listen to this
podcast and vote for Trump, they're just disillusioned with how
things was.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
He seemed like things would be different now they're not.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
I guarantee you a lot of people listening to this
podcast are disillusioned with him right now. So bring us
somebody that feels different that will do differently, and then
they'll vote.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
For that person. Get okay, okay, vibe check question from
all of you.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
JD Vance if he runs in twenty twenty eight, I
think jaj vibecheck on him.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I think JD Vance is going to have to grapple
with one of the most difficult things in the history
of this country, and that is like how AI will
fundamentally change the workforce. And I think that he is
uniquely situated and that he comes from a place in
America that was absolutely devastated by outsourcing. He comes from Appalaysia.
(35:51):
He you know, comes from like a drugged up household, unfortunately,
and he saw what outsourcing does to a community and
once well you could call thriving community, at least there
was some economic impact there. And now you know, it's
like I think there's an Appalachia scholarship that they offer
anybody who basically passes high school.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
You have free college in the state of Ohio. I mean,
they treat white people, they're like Native America.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
It's like it's unbelievable, right, So like for me, I
would ask jd It's like, how are you going to
make sure the rest of America doesn't turn into the
exact place that you grew up in, and what are
you going to do right now?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Like, I don't think you should be waiting.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I think you should be doing it right What policies
are you implementing right now? You have the ear to
the president, what are you telling we need to do
to protect that from happening?
Speaker 7 (36:40):
And how are you going to grapple with that when
Peter Tiele is funding your campaign?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, so this is what I was really that's a
fantastic question.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
By the way, I meant more about like vibe check
as an insider or outsider.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
Jog Jog was suspect he seems insidary to me and
that he just seems like a politician, Thank you.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
I think he's a brilliant Camille chameleon. I'm sorry, and
he will mold to whatever he needs to be. Because
the fact that he called Trump pitler and he's now
his vice president, How to the fuck does that happen?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Keeping my personal feelings out of this, because I genuinely
want to know, Like, I'm like, how do how does
how do you guys feel?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I think that we I think we don't really know
what I think.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Like you mentioned the teal thing, I know THEO was
upset about that.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, I'm very because they've invested in him for for
a long time now. They put a lot of money in,
so they're eventually going to ask for something for that.
And I don't know, maybe Trump doesn't get all that
big tech investment if JD's not there, Who knows. But
they didn't think they didn't sign on and tail JD
was announced fair. Yeah, so that's the name of the game,
(37:43):
and I'm sure JD's aware of that. So the thing
about JD is that there's without a question he's been
doing defense for Trump, right, So he is obviously very intelligent.
If you treat him like some country bumpkin, you're a
fucking idiot, He's gonna walk all over you. He's ready
for every fucking interview. And the emotion intelligence is through
the roof.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
The guy is broke as shit, growing up, ends up,
going to Yale.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Offers nothing to the neple babies and Oligarch's kids at Yale,
he offers nothing and somehow manages to navigate that social
stratag which is very difficult even if you're a NEPO.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I've known Jay since twenty fifteen, so I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
What I think a lot of times dem is they
they're not really treating him with maybe the respect that
they and fear that they should.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Once he's unleashed, we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
See what happens. But he's not allowed to be unleased yet.
He's in defense mode for Trump. Trump sucks up.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
JD goes and explains it in a way that everybody goes, Oh,
that is kind of a good point. You know.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
He's like, she's like a think tank for when Trump
does something that's unpopular, I want to know what he
gotta do.
Speaker 9 (38:41):
But yeah, he's gonna have a massive issue depending on
how Trump's you know, second term actually finishes, because he'll
ultimately have to answer for a lot of the domestic
as well as the foreign policy sessions, and if there's
some type of like foreign invasion in Iran, then he
will either have to distance himself internally, which as we know,
Trump like is adamant about loyalist and so he's here
(39:03):
now criticizing Zelensky in the White House and then we'll
have to somehow backtrack on that if he's trying to
get elected, or he'll have to try to justify an
IRN evasion if in the event that that happens, hopefully not,
and I think that it will be consequential if he
trust run.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
I think if Trump ends his term really poorly, I
don't think he wins the primary. And if it ends
really well, I think Trump is going to run for
a third term.
Speaker 7 (39:25):
That's it gonna do.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I like guys, Andrew, you got to get out of here.
Thank you guys so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Let me use a studio anytime.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
We appreciate you.
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