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Speaker 5 (00:36):
Emily, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We won't bore you.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
With the details of our travel, but Ryan had a
literal planes, trains, and automobile journey this morning, so if we're.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
A little late.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
I got in like one am because flights were.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Canceled cross storms on the East coast tried to keep
us out of the studio this morning. Yeah, they but
like Murkowski, you know, they buckled in the end, and here.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
We are right this is just like Leason, Markows and Ryan.
You may notice is what we call on the show
raw dogging.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It does not have a laptop.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I did not actually travel with my laptop this time,
for the first time ever, and I never never made
it home because I flew straight to Richmond after my
flight was canceled, took a train over to DC.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Emily picked me up at the station. Here we are.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's been a.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
Wild warning, so our apologies if we were a little late,
but we wanted to be here. So we have a
big show, lots of crazy news. The Big Beautiful Bill
passed the Senate yesterday and Jade Vance cast the tie
breaking vote, so we have some information on what's actually
in that bill and what's going to happen now that
it heads to the House of Representatives. Donald Trump wants
it on his desk by Friday, because that's the fourth
(01:38):
of July and that is the deadline that he and
Republicans set for themselves, so we will break it all down.
Trump did a tour of quote Alligator Alcatraz.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
I was down in Florida, were.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You actually that's right, you covered the protest.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I went down to Alligator Alcatraz before it opened and
saw the trucks barreling in and there are hundreds of
people out there protesting it. We'll talk about it in
the segments. It's it's quite something.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Yeah, Gavin Newsom has come out as an abundance bro
and we have news on exactly how that's playing out
in California so far. Ryan, you're gonna do a breakdown
on news out of Gaza.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, we've got Trump is saying he's pushing forward with
the ceasefire deal. There's no confirmation from the Israeli side yet,
we're still it's all still up in the air, and
the number of the number of killings is just somehow accelerating.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
That's which seems impossible. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah, the the news from the cafe that I know
we're going to come.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, it's this attack on this cafe used by journalists. Also,
Trump says he's going to proseendome say they're going to
prosecute CNN for hurting the feelings of our jet pilots,
who Trump says, came back feeling so proud of themselves
after their bombing run. You know, they felt like they
had just taped top Gun three and only to see
(03:00):
CNN that perhaps not all of the centrifuges were destroyed
and the uranium may have been moved, and it deeply
upset the bombers and they should not be hurt like that.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
And I don't know if you people pilots are people too.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yes, the pilots are people.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
So I don't know if you caught this news overnight
because you've had a trained situation. But also CBS settled
with the Trump administration, and we'll cover that in the
CNN block. But that is a very interesting suit as well.
I was reading some of it.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Seventeen million dollar bribe.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Sixteen million dollars, the exact same as the NBC settlement.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So that's that's the price for a merger.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, well, we'll get into all of it.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
So let's start with the one big beautiful bill which
has passed the Senate. JD Vance cast the tie breaking vote.
Let's go ahead and roll a one.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
The ya's are fifty, the na's are fifty, the Senate
being evenly divided. The Vice President votes in the affirmative.
The bill as amended is past.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
So they ended up losing Rand Paul Susan Collins, and
Tom Tillis. So Lisa Murkowski ultimately got on board with it.
And while we're talking about that. I'm going to control room.
Skip ahead here to A four. This is Lisa Murkowski
being confronted by a reporter in the Capitol who was
asking about the process of getting Lisa Murkowski to a yes,
(04:21):
which was very difficult but doable for leadership.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Senator Paul said that this was that your vote was
a bailout for Alaska at the expense of the rest
of the country.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Oh my god, that's what Senator Paul said.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I said, was easy, Senator, We've got the.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
I didn't say, ma'am. I'm just asking for your response.
Speaker 9 (04:44):
My response is I have an obligation to the people
of the state of Alaska, and I live up to that.
Every single day I advocated from my state's interests. I
will continue to do that, and I will make no
excuses for doing that. Do I like this bill? No,
(05:07):
because I tried to take care of Alaska's interests. But
I know I know that in many parts of the
country there are Americans that are not going to be
advantaged by this bill. I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
In flashbacks to the Cornhusker kickback the Buckle of the
two thousand and nine, this is being called the Kodiak
kickback by Ruben Diego. Because Murkowski did get car outs
in the bill.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yes, she got the legislation changed so that the people
who live in the forty nine other states will not
feel the same, will feel more of a punishment than
people in Alaska will. Yeah, which, and it is true.
She is a senator from Alaska. Her title is United
States Senator. It's it's like, yeah, I get representing your state.
(06:01):
But to actively do something that you know is going
to hurt Alaskans but is going to hurt the rest
of the country less, and so you go for it
is some weak sauce. And if you notice in that clip,
I've followed her around the hall for many, many years.
She has an Energy Press Corps because she's so influential
(06:22):
when it comes to the energy sector and the energy
trade reporters love her.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
She loves them. Uh huh like it.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I'm sure it's.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Kind of funny to watch. Well, yeah, and then so
she's not used to getting that in the hallway.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Per Politico.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
As part of the Senate Republicans sweeping final amendment to
the bill that was part of the overnight negotiations, they
removed a controversial tax on solar and wind energy projects
that Murkowski and a handful of other Republicans were agitating
to be removed. Another goodie bordered on the obscure, if
not for the Senator Bow had whaling boat captains recognized.
But the Alaska Eskimo Whaling Commission will be able to
deduct more for whale hunting related expenses up to fifty
(06:56):
thousand from the current ten thousand, which obviously we support.
Here's editorial policy of breaking points. We are a very
strong we always have had a strong position on that
deduction whaling off for the Alaskaskima Whaling Commission.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, I got to keep that whale oil flowing.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
So this is how jd Vance we can put a
two up on the screen.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
This is how jd Vance was talking about the bill.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
He says, massive tax cuts, especially no tax on tips
and overtime, and most importantly, big money for border security.
This is a big win for the American people. It's
true these are across the board tax cuts. They will
disproportionately benefit wealthy Americans. Most of the tax cuts are
going to wealthy Americans. It doesn't mean that the middle
(07:40):
class isn't getting tax cuts. They are getting tax cuts,
the no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, both
helpful policies obviously for many, many, many average Americans. Ryan,
but we can put Jeff Stein's breakdown of the bill
on the screen.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This is where things.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Got very hairy for Republicans in order to pay for
those tax cuts, to have a bill that doesn't look
as egregious as this one ultimately ended up looking. So
it didn't really matter too much for them, to be honest.
They were going for austerity essentially, So Ryan, you can
(08:19):
sort of what we would walk through some of this,
but major safety net cuts targeting Medicaid as Jeff reports,
and food stamps, so those do add work requirements, they
add some cost sharing for the states, some paperwork. They
think that'll save about one point three trillion.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I think that's per the correct So it's.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
One point brillion, one point three trillion in cuts to medicaid,
in food stamps, right.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Yeap point four trillion to immigration enforcement and the military budget,
which they got through the parliamentarian and then they ended
up cutting a ton of the clean energy subsidies, basically
Biden's Green industrial policy gut cut.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
So they put that at about five hundred billion. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think it'll actually end up being much more because
the tax credits weren't necessarily capped in the IRA, so
that we've had a surprising boom in clean tech manufacturing.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Over the last several years.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And so the more you have, then the more tax
credits they're going to be, which creates more energy, lowers
energy prices, and on and on. So could be five
hundred million, could be even more. So that's about two trillion.
Like that, they're cutting out of federal spending by going
after food stamps, Medicaid, and subsidies for energy production, and
(09:34):
then they're spending it. We can go back if you
want to put the Jeff Stein post back up. So
the way that they're spending it two point five trillion
dollars to extend the prior tax cuts, so those are
the ones that Trump passed in twenty seventeen. This extends
them out. And also your childcare benefit goes from two
thousand to two point two with so many kids, Hey,
(09:56):
that's going to be nice for me, big big win
for me.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Right there. Then there about a trillion.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Dollars in various tax cuts that go to the top
one percent, including basically eliminating the estate tax.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
So think about that. So that's roughly the amount of Medicaid.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Instead fifteen million dollars, it's.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
At fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
But with stepped up basis loopholes and other loopholes, there
are going to be very few people who end up
paying estate taxes, like almost nobody.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because it's already pretty small group.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's a small group already. But yeah, but it's going
to cost a trillion dollars. That means it's it's not
nobody that's currently paying it, So now they're pushing it
very close to nobody. And then you know, half a
billion on his other things, you know, no cash, no, no,
no tax on tips, Cheff's dimensions, the car intest deduction.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Hey, that'll help.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Me too, Yes, I got this is going great for you.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
A couple of car payments, I mean car pay This
could not possibly be the best.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
This is amazing, No, genuinely like this will be like
for me, except for the fact that I'll live in
a worst country.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
This is going to be good for me.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
It's a really I think the decision making process around
this bill is has been a very interesting glimpse into
how Republicans are struggling immensely with these two disparate wings
that became part of the MAGA coalition. And on the
one hand, you have the austerity of Elon Musk, who
(11:30):
is now threatening a third party sort of like an
American AfD basically that is focused specifically, it's like a
Doge party essentially, is the way that he's talking about it.
On the other hand, you have the Josh Hollies who
are pissed about the cuts to Medicaid but ended up
voting for the bill because they either had to look
at and this this is a false choice, I'll explain,
(11:51):
but the way that they saw it was they either
had to look at tax increases because these tax cuts
were expiring. And that was something that Trump didn't think
what happened on his watch, because he would have when
they have passed in twenty seventeen and been done with
two terms. So tax sets were expiring, so you either
have to let the taxes go up or you have
(12:13):
to look at something completely different than how they conceived
of this entire reconciliation process.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But they don't have enough members.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Like they Elon must sounds wildly naive because there's nothing
that you can do to actually tackle the national debt
and the out of control spending. Will you still have
to make Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Rand Paul like, It's
just none of this would have worked. This was their
only option other than letting taxes go up.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It doesn't mean that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
That's where I think it's sort of a false choice
and actually brought you hunger. Stargan has pointed this out.
They could have actually just let the top rate expire.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
They didn't have to cut it again.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
They could have just let the top right expire.
Speaker 10 (12:56):
Or because they don't actually give a damn out spending
or the debt, they could have just been honest that
they're blowing up the debt and not even bothered to
make cuts.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, if the tax to pay for the tax.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yes, And so you're gonna have to explain to me
what it what's up with this party? Because Jade Vans
kept saying in defense of this bill, Look, everyone's got
criticisms of it, but none of your criticisms could actually
get you know, fifty one votes get a majority in
the House. But having watched Trump's campaign, I could design
not a bill that I would like, but I could
(13:30):
design a bill that would match with like the Bannon
Maga Trump ideology and that would not raise the deficit
like this, you could actually increase instead of spending a
trillion dollars on the estate, like a state tax giveaway
for just you know, fail sons and failed daughters like this,
just who is the constituency to like defend the rights
(13:53):
of children and grandchildren of billionaires, Like as a populist movement,
you could be like, look, you know what, everyone you know,
we're gonna tilt the playing field back towards regular people.
Like just because you're born with the last name Gates,
Like does it's a random name? Yeah, it doesn't mean
not anyone in particular and not the congressman. Doesn't mean
that you get to be a billionaire two Like you
(14:14):
didn't do anything, so you can be a very you
can be a multimillionaire and never work in your life.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
The irony.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Also, all you ever meet these kids, they're all destroyed.
They're not happy. Like it'd be one thing if we
were destroying the planet and destroying the working class and
the middle class and the point one percent we're having
the time of their lives. The point one percent are miserable,
their children are more miserable, and their grandchildren are miserable too. No,
(14:40):
this isn't making anybody happy. So okay, there's a trillion
dollars right there. You could also, as Trump hinted that
he would do, you could raise taxes on the super rich.
He talked about maybe creating like another bracket for a
million and up. He could do that, so then you
can have tax cuts for ninety five percent of the
American public but doesn't actually cost you that money. And
(15:04):
he also ran promising that he would never cut Medicaid.
It was assumed he wouldn't cut food stamps. I don't
know if you ever promised that, and then you wouldn't
have to cut Medicaid and food stamps.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
You can, and then you can go and.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
You know, bust the deficit to do your mass deportation.
You don't need to do this like you nobody, there's
no cops around here, and do whatever you want. But basically,
according to you advance, they don't have the votes for that.
So that's where I need you to explain to me
what on earth is going on with a party where
what I just laid out, like ninety nine percent of
(15:38):
the country getting a tax cut, you get your mass deportation,
you get your populism, no tax on tips, all this stuff.
The only thing you'd have to do is not a
cater to the grandchildren of like billionaires.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
But they can't do that. Why.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
I think part of it is you're always going to
have to give something to the fiscal hawks because on
the House side you have Chip Roy someone, and people like.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Chip Roys are choking on this.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Well he's yeah, I mean, he's furious about the way
everything stands. I mean, there's like a Thomas Massey criticism
of the bill, and massive basically will never come to
a yes on it. But there are people who basically
share his perspective on everything, just see it as impractical
to vote for nothing and let taxes go up. And
I think you put Chip Roy in a handful of
other people in that camp. So Biden's spending actually was
(16:31):
like he exploded federal spending.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
And he would say that they started under Trump with
the response to COVID, which gave us the best Trump
and Biden gave us the best economic recovery relative to
any other country in the world out of COVID. By
the way, that social democracy thing we tried for a
couple of years.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
It actually works.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
This is where they start talking about how Trump who
promised not to touch medicaid and to your point about
snap like probably imply I think in all of that
similar stamps similar Did.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
You know who you're going after on food stamps?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Like any Yeah, well, I mean as somebody on the right,
I do think that. I mean, this was there's a
GAO report he was like twenty twenty one in four
Medicaid dollars were improper payments, so they were either they
should never have been made or they were in the
wrong amount. It was like thirty billion dollars in twenty
twenty four. I think they are like significant problems. By
the way, this is what people not me, but people
(17:27):
were optimistic Doge would start targeting. Is that like there
is legitimate that to be trimmed there. We have a
problem with workforce participation among men, in particular the Joint
Economic Committee at one point this was under Mike Lee.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
We can't get men to go to a doctor anyway,
to go to a doctor, right, Taking their medicaid is
not actually gonna.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Get them back to work.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Not the problem, but that's your theory of why men
are not working.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, anyway, so that's actually up significantly since over the
last like several deconds. There's a lot of stuff that
you could do with them, but pairing it with a
tax cut just politically is a huge giveaway to Democrats.
You are quite literally paying for tax cuts on the
wealthy with us and on the other hand, morally, for
(18:13):
a party that is now trying to represent working class Americans,
you're actually not putting a dent in the debt, right
And I know that they dispute the Congressional Budget Office analysis,
which is fine because Democrats often take issue with the
CBO scores. Everyone has profits with the CBO scores. CBO
has absolutely been wrong, I get it. But the idea
(18:33):
that this is going to generate enough growth to offset
the revenue to the IRS, it's I mean, I think
it's highly unlikely and everyone basically understands that. So you're
not putting a dent in spending or the debt basically at.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
This point, right, Let's and let's also think about how
we're saving the money so and then think about it's
often not helpful to think about, you know, the country
as like a householder a company.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
But let's do a little exercise there.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Imagine you're company or a household and you're you know,
one of your lieutenants comes to you and says, you
know what, the way we're going to cut spending and
become profitable, either as a household or as a company,
We're going to stop paying our insurance health insurance, and
(19:20):
we're going to stop basically and in this case whatever
the equivalent is of energy production. So we're cutting half
a billion dollars in investment towards energy energy production, and
that's going to make us richer. I think the CEO
would be like, okay, but we're going to need energy.
So where's the energy going to come from? Because if
(19:42):
you look at the charts of energy use, the demand
is going through the roof. You guys, ever hear of
AI like it's a thing that's going on now, it's
gobbling up a lot of it clouds. Everything's becoming electrified.
Everything in your house is using more electricity than it
did before. Electricity demand is going up relative to what
it has been in the past, So we need more
(20:02):
electricity production. You can hate when solar batteries speak ideologically
because you hate them they represent two thirds of the
capacity that we've added over the last year and are
were projected to represent more than that going forward. So now,
but you're like, do more natural gas, like more oil?
(20:25):
Like there are limits to there are limits to what
you can do. So what you're actually going to do
is get rolling blackouts. You're just you know, demand is
going to outstrip the supply that you have. And then
you go, well, you're like, wait a minute, we're going
to stop paying our insurance bill, our employees or our
family members all of a sudden not going to get sick. No,
Americans are still going to get sick. Where are they
(20:46):
going to go? Oh, they're going to go to the
emergency room? Now who's going to pay for that? The
hospital is going to pay for that. Also, the hospital
that is now getting provider tax hit, you know, hit
with a provider tax too. This is projected to throw
seventeen million people off of their health insurance and is
likely to bankrupt a ton of hospitals, Like we're already
(21:08):
losing hospitals all over rural America. Yeah, and some like
struggling urban hospitals and mostly rural hospitals. Holly was making
a huge stink about this.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Yeah, Susan Collins as well.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
They were even like figuring out ways. There was an
amendment on the floor to you know, slightly tweak the
estate tax to create a fund that would protect royal
hospitals from going under. It failed like eighty twenty. So
people are still going to get sick, people still need energy.
(21:39):
So okay, all of the savings in the bill quote
unquote savings actually make us poorer. Meanwhile, the things were
cutting tax cutting taxes essentially also make its poor.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's the most self destructive piece of legislation I think
that we've ever done, like on purpose.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
It's like it's so weird.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Well, Stephen Miller is saying, you remember this from like
a month or two ago, that it is the most
important piece of.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
All Right, this is very smart.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, we're gonna get We're gonna get millions of people
out of the country, and that's also going to make
us richer.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Well, I mean there's a tax definitely on the social
safety net because of people who are in the country
illegally or waiting silence.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Unless they're in their twenties, thirties, forties, paying in and
not getting money out, which is the case for a
lot of them.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Well that, yeah, I mean that's absolutely an argument.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I don't.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
They to the point about it being self destructive. They
would say that immigration enforcement is it's not even about
the spending. They would say the immigration enforcement is about
like safety and culture. That's the Stephen Miller argument that immigration.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
As Trump said, if Steven Miller had his way, there'd
be one hundred million people in this country and they'd
all look like Steven Miller.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All, John Trump, what a country that would.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Be under million school shooters?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah right, I mean calling you you were thinking it too.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Let's move on to the feud between Elon Musk and
Donald Trump, which is actually related to everything that we
are talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
This is the clip of Donald Trump being asked.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
About Elon Musk yesterday on his Alligator Alcatraze tour.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Cohen rolled us.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
That thing.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
You know, he's upset. He's that he's losing his ev
mandate didn't accept hither.
Speaker 12 (23:29):
He's very upset about things. But you know, he can
lose a lot more than that. I should tell you
right now, can lose a lot more than that. We
might have to put Jojon you know, you know joj
Joj's the monster that that might have to go back
and eat Elon.
Speaker 10 (23:47):
M be there above.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
He gets a lot of subsidies, Petter, but Eli's very
upset that the EV mandate is going to be terminated.
And you know what, when you look at ITV who
wants not everybody? Do you want an electric jar? I
don't want an electric jar.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I want to have baby.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
Gasoline, maybe electric, maybe a hybrid, maybe someday a high
used US Do you have a high usen gar? It
has one problem that blows up, you know, So I'm
gonna give that one.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
The Peter so Trump that was at the White House
before he left for the Everglades. He is asked by
a reporter, are you going to deport Elon Musk? Trump says,
We'll have to take a look. We might have to
put doge on Elon. You know, doges the months that
might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that
be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies. Musk replies
on Twitter, this is the next element quote so tempting
(24:34):
to escalate this so so tempting, but I will refrain
for now. Then Musk also posts to cut it all
now in response to Trump saying that Doge might look
at Musk's subsidies, Musk's argument, Ryan is not entirely dissimilar
from the point you were just making about some of
(24:57):
these or the nature of the cuts being self destructed.
But he's coming at it. He's coming at it from
a totally different perspective.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Not totally like there's there's some significant overlap, which is
that he is desperately concerned and it goes back to
both his business but also his venture to to Mars.
He's desperately concerned with electricity production. He keeps posting these
various charts of Chinese electricity production versus American electricity production.
(25:27):
You know, they're they're on track to make as much
electricity with just wind, solar and battery power as we
are total. And if you're in an AI race, which
is related to his Mars race, then how do you
think that's going to go?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Like the country with more Jewics is going to win
this one.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
So so that's that's where the overlap is. He also
wants he doesn't like the deficit busting stuff because he
wants to spend that money going to Mars.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
That's where when he's saying, cut all of the subsidies. Now,
I mean, it's just it's easy to say that when
he's on the outside looking in.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I don't know, is that easy to say.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I'm sure his shareholder, Yeah, cherolders are probably super excited.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
He doesn't mean that.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I mean you also, we and I blame everyone from
Obama up empowered this guy to have this power.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
He wouldn't exist with that federal subsidies that Obama.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
With Starlink and SpaceX and all these things, like these guys,
this guy's got.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
This guy has cards to play.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Trump rescued by Barack Obama.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean but now he's got guards.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Easy to say, yeah, yeah, now he has cards. That's right.
So I don't know the threat to start a third
party and all of that. Musk also had a pretty
interesting I thought it was a pretty interesting omission on
X yesterday. Ryan.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He was like a full reply guy.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
But he in response to somebody saying that the chainsaw
kind of made it harder for for Doge to do anything,
he basically agreed and said that Malay gave him the
chainsaw backstage, but in retrospect he thinks that it did
lack empathy.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I believe that's what he said.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, he says a fair criticism. He said, you know,
Malay gave him the chainsaw backstage and he just went
with it, and yeah, exactly. And I always i'd kind
of wonder, I'm like, how much like the original name
for ecstasy was empathy, because that's closer to the feeling
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that it produces in a in a user, And so
I always wonder they didn't go with empathy because it's
like that's not very cool marketing, like ecstasy is going
to sell better in the club. But I always wondered, like,
how is this guy eating this much molly and this
callous like how does he how does he not care
(27:54):
about the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, tens
of millions of people plus who are affected by like
the whims of of this vendor that he's on. And
it turns out that, you know, now that he's come
back to Earth a little bit, he actually does know
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the word empathy, and he regrets that it that it
lacked empathy in his own and also accomplished nothing except
ruining a whole bunch of people's lives.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I mean, I think he just exists in the strain
of libertarianism, which is kind of weird to say from
somebody whose businesses are based on subsidies. But he exists
in the strain of libertarianism where libertarianism, where empathy itself
is used to The belief is that empathy itself is
used to hurt people and is used to like inflict cruelty.
I mean, it's just a standard like Milton free argument
(28:45):
about how toxic empathy, but this is more like how
people will get trapped in government dependency spirals and it's
cruel And I think he thought in his own way.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Also, by the way, if you guys think having humanity
is bad, you took a wrong turn somewhere like retrace
your steps and then we go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
This is the Ryangram argument for USA.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I d well for some programs, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
But I'm not even good on those. You could make
that argument about some of the bad programs that you
lack humanity if you strip away this USA d aid well.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I mean, it depends, it very much depends.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
But E's perspective.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
If you if you take away some but a kid's
infant formula without a plan to replace it with something
else that can live on.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Not good, that's bad and lacks emplicate.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Whether or not that cutout was also involved in some
regime change regime.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Change baby formula.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
It's it's the tastiest baby formula. But musk is he
I think felt like he had the wind at his
back culturally in a way that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So that post was really interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
He spends yes, exactly, he spent too much time with
his own reply.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Guys, Yes, yeah, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Who would have thought that kat turn too would lead
you astray?
Speaker 6 (30:04):
But here we are, and he's Elan is like admitting
that in this really it's like it's just it's just
a post on X, but he's admitting that he had
basically terrible political instincts and then demanding the Republican Party
currently follow his political instincts.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Or else he's going to start a political party. Sure
that'll go.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Well, let's talk about Alligator Alcatraz because Ryan actually took
a trip to Alligator Alcatraz while he was in Florida
over the last several days.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We can roll b one here.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
You can see how basically Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump
constructed their own sort of little Seacott brought a little
flavor of El Salvador up.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
To the like inspired by Seacot.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It does.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
If you're listening to this, what you're seeing is, you know,
bunk beds behind fencing and it's being sort of trumpeted
as an amazing feat and it was put up really quickly.
Ryan said, you saw the trucks rolling in over the
last fever of days they did this, and what I
mean less than a week, right.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, today's Wednesday. So I was there Saturday and there
was a there was a big protest there. There had
been a protest, a smaller protest the week before, and
I talked to people who'd been the week before and
there was basically nothing. Then you could basically drive onto
the base at that point. By the time I got there,
you couldn't drive on there because there was so much
traffic from the dump trucks and propane trucks and generator
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trucks and food trucks that were just streaming onto this
site in a way that was like affecting. It was
like ominous, like how much energy was being put in this.
And most of the trucks had names like you know
Rodriguez Trucking or something like that. And they were planning,
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they were planning to put this thing together in days,
and they did and on Tuesday. I'm getting my days
mixed up yet. July first, Tuesday, Trump and DeSantis like
inaugurated the thing. They're going to spend they say, all
these estimates are always low. Uh, they're gonna they say
they're going to spend four hundred and fifty million dollars
in the first year of the operation of this site. Meanwhile,
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it is hurricane season, so there is. It took us
about an hour. I drove from Miami down to the
protest there.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Your wife and kids dealigator.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Well, we only have one kid with us now because
a three year in camp and it was too early
in the morning.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
She refused to go, but a friend's kid did go.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And get up.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Dad's driving a Saligators.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Are going Alligator out tress. Yeah, and it was packed.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Maybe in post Steinston Mac some of the videos we
can put them in there, although we're kind of late,
so maybe I want to do. But it's the beginning,
it's the beginning of hurricane season.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
There's one road that takes you there. That's it.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Like this is you're driving through, having through the everglades,
trying to evacuate all of those people in the event
of a hurricane plus evacuating there are a lot of Mikisuka,
There's Indigenous people that live down there. There's also I
think it's mostly mostly Native people that live down there
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because it's mostly Native area, but there's some, you know,
and there will always be like Florida residents down there
as well. Trying to evacuate all of the workers and
all of the staff, and all of the people in
attention and all of the other people on this little
two lane road would be calamitous. So we just have
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to I guess, cross our fingers that we don't get
a dream mass casualty event. So actually a hurricane that
forms quickly and hits that area.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Where I thought you were going with us was that
some of the news reports included statements from people whose
homes have been flat by hurricanes and saw DeSantis really
quickly construct this.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Massive with FEMA money.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yes, four hundred and fifty million dollars in I think
it was like eight days something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It wasn't there last week, and now you have.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
We haven't rebuilt western North Carolina. We haven't rebuilt even
like from Hurricane Michael, in like the Panhandle, in Florida,
Desantus like it still looks like it went through last week.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
So yeah, they're they're wanting it to get up to
five thousand beds. I think it's three thousand right now now.
In there a couple of things that I would just
add to this. We have a serious problem with lacking
detention capacity for immigrants.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
For lack Land in Florida.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Though for yeah, that's a totally, totally legitimate point. And
if I were someone who was waiting for their house
to be rebuilt in Florida, not sure that this would throw.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Me at all.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
But we have like fifty nine thousand people detainees because
of the ICE enforcement. But the ICE enforcement itself is
because the Biden administration at minimum created you know, an
influx of eight million people over the course of a
few years, and so the Trump administration enforcing that means
that they have a record number fifty nine thousand people.
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They're running out of room, and so there is absolutely
unless you are full, and this is probably where Ryan
and I disagree. Full let people stay. You absolutely do
need more room for all of this, and you do
need incentives for people to use things like CBP home
which allow you to just very humanly self support and
you don't end up getting detained, you don't end up
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getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
At least that's the theory.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
So they believe these are disincentives for people to continue
staying in the country if they're you know, if they
have not shown up for court dates or anything like that,
if the process is run.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Out right, but they're trying to break the process by
arresting people at their court dates.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Like they're definitely doing this loophole where they will dismiss
somebody's proceedings at a hearing and then just arrest them
at it and say, okay, now you're moved into expedited removal.
And so basically it's incentivized people not to show up.
Let's say, okay, y'all want you want to deport lots
of people, Uh, why not just do like ankle braces,
(36:14):
Like okay, Like, here's the process. We're going to change
the law. They just showed they can pass any law
they want. We're gonna we're gonna make the laws such
that if the expedited removal is actually expedited. There's gonna
be a little bit of due process, but we want
so it's going to be you know, fig leaf, but
there's gonna be some process and then once you're ordered deported.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
You're deported.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
And in the meantime, you can you know, you wear
an ankle bracelet or whatever like or like there's other ways,
Like we live in a surveillance society.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
We sure do, Like does have Peter Teal handled?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, if like this should this should not be like
something that like the if if the right is going
to go in this dystopian direction of building like mass
camp in the Everglades, the Boo Kelly Larp, Yeah, then
it's not as if they have something like they would
they would shrink it like exercising some extreme surveilance authority.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Let's watch how Donald Trump was describing all of this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
This is B two.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
Take care of our farmers and hotel workers and various
other people that we're working on it right now.
Speaker 13 (37:21):
And Ron's going to be involved, and you were involved already.
Speaker 14 (37:24):
So we have a.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Case where a lot of cases where ice will go
on to a farm and there's the guys working there
for ten fifteen years, no club, the farmers home.
Speaker 13 (37:34):
We're going to put let's go a farmer responsibility or
owner responsibility where they're going to be largely responsible for
these people.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
And they know these people. They've worked on the.
Speaker 14 (37:44):
Farms for fifteen years and all of a sudden, so
I have a great ron does Christie does? We have
a great feeling for the farmer and for others in
the same position, and we're going to give them responsibility
for people. And we're going to have a system of
signing them up so they don't have to go. They
could be here legally, they can pay taxes and everything.
They're not getting citizenship, but they get other things. And
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the farmers need them to do the work without those people,
and you're not going to be able to run your
form President.
Speaker 11 (38:12):
They're gonnas to tell me how to do something inside
of his facility.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
First, should go here and love something. Because they don't
do this, they would not.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Want to get and if they did.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
It, the pus orcrednize were here. To be honest, Hey,
Biden wanted me in here.
Speaker 14 (38:29):
Okay, he wanted me.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
It didn't work out that way, but.
Speaker 15 (38:33):
He wanted me in here.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Trump saying that Biden wanted him an alligator alcatraze. We
have a couple of more clips because he was on
a roll yesterday. This is Trump being asked about what
the sort of point of the alligator branding is. I
let the.
Speaker 15 (38:49):
Alligator alphatraze the idea.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
D it heard a great pain?
Speaker 6 (38:54):
They just getting finality order.
Speaker 11 (38:55):
And thinking about I guess that's for concept.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
This is not a nice christ.
Speaker 13 (39:00):
I guess that's a goudhet that you.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
You know, the snakes are fash, but alligators are.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
But we're going to teach them how to run.
Speaker 11 (39:08):
Away from an alligator. Okay, if they escaped prison, how
to run away.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Don't run in a.
Speaker 15 (39:14):
Straight line, run like this, and you know what, your.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
Chances go up about one percent.
Speaker 11 (39:19):
Okay, not a good thing.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
He's sort of bragging about his knowledge of alligator.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Escape from his golf courses.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Oh that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
If you're looking closely at the hat, by the way,
which I didn't until it was just in front of us. Now,
there's a subheading on the Gulf of America maga hat
that says yet another Trump development.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
That's what it says on the hat.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I'm glad he's having such a wonderful time bringing like
object fascism like this.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Is like completely it's really fascism.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Fascism too, Like build a giant concentration camp in the
middle of the Everglades, I mean where the people are
like at immediate risk of getting killed if a hurricane
comes through, joking about them getting eaten by alligators and snakes,
and well that part okay, and also.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Say it's fascism, it's it's him LARPing. It's like fascist LARPing.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
And and he's also doing some weird planter class LARPing
in the first clip that you can slay it there,
he's like, we're gonna have owner responsibility. That was his
I'm not putting words in his mouth. He said owner
responsibility for migrants who work on farms.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
M I don't even have to like say anything else
about it.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
I thought we settled this.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
And he's also like, we're going to take care of
the hotel workers. It's you know, Stephen Miller speaking of
stuper Miller that his brain is exploding.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, because Millers, like, I guess he's torn there. He's like, hmmm,
slavery thought, we're really moving the Overton window.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Here, but he's like will they assimilate?
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Will the slaves assimilate?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Question?
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Well, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Owner responsibility, Like we literally did a war and we
settled this. You're not owning people in this country. We
don't do that. Yeah, I'm everything, everything is apparently up
for grabs.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
I think that's where I think the administration is. Often
it feels like a larp to me, Like if it
feels like they're not but he doesn't do half of
the stuff that he does.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
He does some ement and.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Then he doesn't see what Maybe they never fill this camp.
Let's hope.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
Honestly, not impossible that because they're saying they wanted to
house up to five thousand people, they want to keep
doing more of this. I don't know. I mean they
were doing this. This is actually a really good illustration
of the way I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Like they said they were going to use Guantanamo. Trump
said he was going to use actual.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Half they're using Guantanamo was like costing half a million
per detainee.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
There's like thirty people there.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Yeah, there's like thirty people. He said he was going
to send all these people to see Cotton. To be fair,
he sent three hundred people, but stopped after that, and
it's like, I think part of it is they're trying
to create this very like visual vivid so.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
People just leave, which is probably working to some.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Degree, probably to some degree, and then they don't go
all of the way, but it is it ends up
feeling like a big fascist Bukelli larp.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
I don't disagree with that at all.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Yeah, And also it's in immigrant communities. People are like
kids are told don't open the door for anybody. People
don't congregate outside afraid that if somebody, if somebody there
is undocumented and gets picked up, they're just gonna sweep
everybody up, even the citizens, which they're doing and you
know which they are doing off like in LA and
elsewhere anyway. Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
There is definitely always LARPing when it comes to Trump,
but sometimes the LARPing becomes reality.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Yeah, you talk it into existence, you never know.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
And that's where, Yes, I think one thing I disagree
with a lot of conservatives on is I think you
actually always have to take him seriously because sometimes you
don't usually know when he's serious and when he's he's joking,
So you can't be like, oh, it's Trump being Trump
in every circumstance, because then he goes and does stuff.
Let's talk about what he said yesterday regarding Zoron Mom Donnie.
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We are going to go ahead and roll the soot.
It is b six Trump being asked about Zoron mom Donni.
Speaker 16 (43:18):
Your blood New York City may well be led by
a communist soon, Zorhan Mundami, who in his nomination speech
said he will defy ICE and will not allow ICE
to arrest criminal aliens in New York City. Your message
to communist Zorhon Mundani.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Well, then we'll have to arrest him.
Speaker 13 (43:36):
Look, we don't need a communist in this country, but
if we have one, I'm going to be watching over
them very carefully.
Speaker 8 (43:42):
On behalf of the nation.
Speaker 13 (43:44):
We send him money, We send him all the things
that he needs to run a government. And by the way,
they get already they get about three times what you get.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
Ron.
Speaker 13 (43:53):
If you look at the per capita, Florida gets one
third of what New York gets in terms of the number.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
Is what do you give us those numbers? Yeah, well
that's what we should send him. Yeah.
Speaker 15 (44:03):
Well, sometimes people say Florida gets more because they count
social Security recipients but that's not money to the state.
Those are seniors that live here. If they moved to
North Carolina, you could count it there. So it has
no interaction with the state government. They get more in
the city and state governments than we get.
Speaker 13 (44:18):
Right substantially, We're going to be watching that very carefully,
and a lot of people are saying, he's here illegally.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
He's you know, we're going to look at everything.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
So here's B seven. This is how is our own mom.
Donnie responded, and I actually am curious what you make
of this. Ryan. I found his response to be quite interesting.
He says, the President of the US just threatened to
have me arrested, stripped of my citizenship, putting a detention camp,
and deported, not because I've broken any law, but because
I will refuse to let Ice terrorize our city. His
statements don't just represent an attack on our democracy, but
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an attempt to send a message to every New Yorker
who refuses to hide in the shadows. If you speak up,
they will come for you. We will not accept this intimidation.
And then he goes on to talk about Eric Adams.
Says Trump included praise for Eric Adams and his authoritarian
threats is unsurprising but highlights the urgency of bringing an
end to this matter's time in City Hall. Goes on
to talk about destroying the Social Safety Net, kicking millions
of New Yorkers off healthcare, and enriching the billionaire donors'
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expensive working families. The scandal that Eric Adams echoes this presence, division, distraction.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And hate. Ryan.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
The reason I found that statement interesting is he pivots
to the Social Safety Net and pivots to Eric Adams
kicking New Yorkers off health care ets are a billionaire donors. Yeah,
he pivots the class warfare essentially. And when Trump was
asked that question by Arry Maga Bennie Johnson, I think
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is in his own mind the strategy, not that he
wouldn't have said that anyway, but in the strategy, in
the question of strategy, what they're trying to do is
get Mom Donnie to talk about immigration as much as possible,
because as unpopular as the way Donald Trump's ice has
approached this is in a blue city like New York.
The immigration policies of the Biden administration and the way
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Eric Adams handled them at first was deeply unpopular, which
is why Eric Adams then pivoted. So, I think Republicans
see an opportunity to talk about immigration over and over again,
Mom Donnie and his statement pivoted that I thought was
pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Right, because I think that's right because as Bannon said, Mom,
Donnie's the first populist who has connected populism to affordability, yes,
which is a huge indictment of our political class across
the spectrum that this guy's the first one that's been
able to do it.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
And so a good point.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I think Trump and Bannon recognize that they're vulnerable to
him on that issue, and prices are going up, and
they just you know, your energy bills are going going
to be going up pretty soon thanks to.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
This big beautiful bill, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
And so yes, they think they're on better ground if
they can get him back to they want to be
back in like twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty, where they're fighting
Democrats on cultural issues. That's that's where Bannon and Trump
feel comfortable.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
And when Zoe run by the Way was tweeting things
about how defunding the police was liberation, which he doesn't
talk about.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Anymore, they like that, like that's that's where Trump wants
to be, like, he wants to bring that Democratic Party back,
force him into that. The problem for Trump is a
He's son's not really going to take.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
That bait, but b.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
The like the their issue of immigration Trump, Trump's losing
the public on his own issue by being so over
the top. Like if you look at the polling, yes, yes,
independents are now swinging again. People have very fluid views
about about immigration policy.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
But then he and Steven Miller are betting on being
the lesser of two evils, right that even if their
popularity dips DEM's popularity with things like sanctuary cities, for example,
which are massive poll factors.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
What he's letting him do is just is defend is
what was he letting like Zoron do is like defend
against like masked ICE agents just yeah, like scooping people
off the street, which the post like, yeah, what are
you doing?
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Yeah, this is not how we do things.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Yeah, with all these people now impersonating ICE agents across
the countries becoming like an actual legitimate, like crime problem,
it's like a safety issue what ICE is doing. And
so if you let them just say we're against Seacott
we're against alligator Alcatraz, we're against the masked agents doing
fascism on the streets. Then you don't force Democrats to
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grapple with their with their unpopular immigration policies.
Speaker 14 (48:27):
Right.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
And I think the Trump bet is that as long
as Mam Donnie is talking about immigration, then Trump and
Republicans and probably Eric Adams as well, it's an opportunity
for them to talk about sanctuosity. Sanctuousity.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, and for Mam Donnie, as long as Trump is
boosting Eric Adams and attacking Mam Donnie, Mam Donnie is
just growing in popularity in New York.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
That very well. Maybe the case the poll that came
out yesterday which showed it wasn't there a poll that
came out yesterday that showed him hypothetically being Cuomo. We
got the final margin yesterday as well, which was what
twelve point twelve point route of Andrew Guiomo. I'm unbelievable.
I thought they I thought a general election poll came
out yesterday showing if Culoma were won. Anyway, I'll look
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it up, but it wouldn't be surprising at all if
it were the case that Mom Donnie was winning.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
But the more.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Yeah, it's just the more that Eric Adams is associated
with Trump, right, or Cuomo with Trump right, or Mom
Donnie as the anti Trump, and it helps him right.
Speaker 6 (49:27):
Yes, And finally, did you see Ryan this apology from
Kirsten Gilabris, So we give it this last element up
on the screen. I'm reading from Politico here, Kristian Jilbrand
apologizes are on Mom Donnie a Monday after she falsely
claimed in a radio interview that the presumptive Democratic nominee
for mayor of New York City had made quote references
to global jihad. The junior senator at mayoral Cadets spoke
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by phone Monday, and there was a redoubt of the
call that Jillibrand's team gave to Politico that said jill
Brand apologized for mischaracterizing Mom Donnie's record.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
And for her tone on the call.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
This is in reference to a Brian Lair segment where
a caller asked jilib Bran about Holy Mom Donnie to
account for quote glorifying Hamas and Ryan. This was like
the Brian Lair segment heard round the left.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
This it's crazy everywhere. Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
I mean, it was bonkers go list to it.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
She sounds completely unhinged, and she just and Brian Lair
gives her like three or four like opportunities to like
correct herself and to like add in a little bit
of complexity or humility or uncertainty about the situation. She's like, no,
absolutely not, and at one point accuses him of wanting
to wage global jihad yes, which actually goes to Zorn's point.
(50:44):
The reason he said in that initial interview where he
gave this long, like nuanced answer about why he wouldn't
condemn the phrase globalizing anti fought it so basically because
you're asking me to condemn a phrase that to some
Arabic speakers or to all Arabic speakers means, you know,
globalize the resistance. And you can't ask an Arabic speaker
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to condemn the word resistance like just because some people
don't like it. It would be like saying that the
Trump administration whenever they arrest a Palestinian, a pro Palestine protester,
they tweet out shalom. So therefore, when pro Palestine people
hear the word shalom, they get in their feelings about
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this assault on their dignity and their liberty, So therefore
nobody should say shalom anymore, same logic.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
But it's absurd. No shalom, that's not what it's like.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
I mean like Trump is misusing the phrase, but that
doesn't mean that nobody else can say it. And Jilibran
then makes his point that the whole argument is racist
by confusing jihad and antifada because she doesn't matter. To her,
it's just scary sounding Arabic words, and so the entire
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political class, the media, all the Sunday shows, everyone tried
to get him to condemn this phrase. He wouldn't, and
Jillibrand winds up being the one that apologizes. That's I
don't know, it's too much to say it's a watershed moment,
but it's it's definitely a data point.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
They're gonna have to bend the knee. They are slowly
but truly realizing it.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Even Kathy Hockle told Jillibrand like, there's no room for
this racism in our state. If you lost Kathy Hokel,
that's probably when she was like, Okay, I.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Need to apologize.
Speaker 6 (52:37):
Speaking of unlikable and unpopular governors, let's pivot to Gavin Newsom, Ryan,
that was.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Really so mean.
Speaker 6 (52:45):
It was such a it was slowing e frut. We
were talking about Kathy Okle. It just made sense to
talk about Gavin Newsom right after that. So Gavin Newsom
is now taking aim at the California Environmental Quality Act,
which if you've read Abundance, if you followed Ezra Clin's work,
that is a sort of fixation as there's been writing
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about it for a matter of years. And Gavin Newsom,
how the press conference yesterday. Let's take a look at
his nod to the abundance community in this clip to.
Speaker 7 (53:19):
The Nimby movement that's now being replaced by the Yimbi movement.
Go Yimbi's thank you for your abundant mindset. It's a
plug to Ezra and it really is about abundance and
to the movement that they represent, which I think was
reflected in the comments made a moment ago about getting
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big stuff done.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Okay, we can put the tear sheet on the screen.
Speaker 6 (53:47):
You heard him there say he appreciates to the Ymbie
community the abundant mindset. They are rolling back that landmark
quote environmental law quote landmark environmental law as The New
York Times puts it. Cline has written Ryan pretty extensively
for a long time. As we mentioned earlier about the
California Environmental Quality Act, that's sort of become a symbol,
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not just you know, obviously they are substantive complaints, but
it's become kind of a symbol of what abundance, the
sort of abundance world is trying to change about Blue
state governance. This is how Klein put it in an otbed.
I want to say, this was like a year ago quote.
Laws like the California Environmental Quality Act have been used
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to block countless harmful projects. A faster, more streamline process
can make it easier to build solar farms and rail systems,
but streamline lightning could also make it easier to build
infrastructure that communities have reason to oppose. So what's going
on with us? Ryan?
Speaker 5 (54:48):
Well?
Speaker 4 (54:49):
And so Ezra tells a story in his book about
the creation of this law being quite a quiet affair,
like it's now understood as this landmark law, but it
was not actually, and this is the case for a
lot of laws. They passed quietly, nobody really knows what's
going on, and then only later do they take on
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some significant importance. And this one took on importance because
the California Supreme Court interpreted in a way that the
original authors of it did not intend, which gave it
enormous amounts of teeth. And then yeah, so you did
then have a lot of communities and other people that
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wanted to block projects, able to hire lawyers and gum
things up, and so you know, it's I think there
is some nuance to this because I think, on the
one hand, the political power of billionaires and incumbent kind
of monopolies and power centers are the thing that is
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their power that blocks a lot of these projects, and
their power if it is unchecked, and what should be
a democratic society is going to find different vehicles for
it to be exercised. Just like you know, water running downhill,
it's going to find a way to get there. And
right now it's find sequa. You get rid of sequa.
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But you don't check the power of billionaires. It's not
going to solve the problem.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
Does on the other maybe it's a maybe maybe you.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Packed a little bit of dirt there for a while,
and maybe it does move the flow of the water
in a productive direction for a little, while it doesn't
solve the underlying problem, which is that we're not a democracy.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
But yeah, maybe it gets some projects going. It might like.
I don't want to say that it.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
Won't because it's like, but my point is, unless you
restructure the political economy, these people are going to continue
to mess with you and come up, come everything up.
Speaker 6 (56:54):
No question about that. I think actually that Ezra would
agree with that point, don't you.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I think he might show him on. Yeh, I think
he might. I think the centrist groups and the pro
corporate groups that have basically adopted all of the messaging,
they would not like that, but Ezra might. Yeah, come on,
we've got to get him back on and see if
he does agree with that.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Big win for abundance.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
It's I mean, yeah, you get, you get name checked,
your book gets name checked at the signing of the
repeal of this major law.
Speaker 5 (57:20):
I mean it's as we're getting results.
Speaker 6 (57:22):
Yeah, it were there a month co author, that's right,
within months of the book coming out.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
Yeah, so I think it had a I think it
played a role definitely because here Newsom said that he
would not sign the budget unless they included this with it.
So this was not like a standalone thing that the
legislature wanted to pass news and demanded it through this process.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Let's talk about Israel.
Speaker 6 (57:46):
Ryan, move on here to a post from Piers Morgan.
This is D one. We can put it on the
screen saying huge, great work, President Real Donald Trump. Because
Trump posted a true social yesterday saying, my representative has
had a long and productive meeting with the Israelis today
on Gaza. Israel has agreed to the necessary conditions to
finalize the sixty day ceasefire, during which time we will
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work with all parties to end the war. The Kataris
and Egyptians, who have worked very hard to help bring peace,
will deliver this final proposal. I hope for the good
of the Middle East that Hamas takes this deal, because
it will not get better, it will only get worse.
Thank you for your attention to this matter, Ryan, he
signs when he signs the posts, we thank you for
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your attention to this matter. Just it gives me any time,
every time, even in these awful, awful news cycles, which
is what we're talking about here, Because some way, somehow,
this is D two. It's a vo we can start rolling.
This is getting worse. The situation in Gaza is.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Getting worse, right, Yeah, And you know, every time you
check the drop side Twitter feed almost seems like you're
gonna see another report of twenty five thirty forty five
eighty Palestinians killed in the latest strike or attack at
an aid center. This was shot by one of our reporters, Yeah, in.
Speaker 5 (59:09):
In Gaza and as you as you could see there, it's.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
This absolutely beautiful seaside cafe which is very popular among
journalists because because it has Wi Fi and it is
very very All you have to do is look at
it to see that obviously this would not be anywhere
that a militant. You're not building you just I mean
just physically, you can't build a tunnel right next to
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the beach like that. You can see the beach from
the cafe. This is a place where journalists go and
then families too, of.
Speaker 6 (59:42):
Course, and it is known for being a place for.
Speaker 4 (59:46):
Right and there was a and this is about a
month after they struck a Thai restaurant in Gaza City
that was also known before its Wi Fi, but also
just culturally it became known as like a place where
all the journalists hung out, and they struck that direct.
Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Killing, you know, multiple journalists both both times.
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
In that case you saw the results, more than twenty
people killed, and and and they go on and on
the anyway, there's there's more to that, but you can
you can read about it in the story or don't
need to burden people with it here. But it's it's
(01:00:24):
just an absolutely ongoing genocide. It's it's it's unbelievable that
this continues to go on.
Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
So how serious is this ceasefire?
Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
The Israelis finally are now There was a long pause
between Trump posting that he had gotten their agreement to
a cease fire, very very long pause, and the Israeli's
coming out and saying that there's some optimism around it.
They didn't even go all the way and confirm it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
Kind of like when.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
These long pauses can be disturbing, like when Peter Duth
that or Brass Douth that's like should humanity survive?
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
It's like Peter Thiel's.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Like, well, I mean the beds, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
So they're now saying okay, So it's clearly some pressures
being applied and they're saying, okay, maybe we're going to
get there.
Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
H Hamas is saying.
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
You know that they're open as always to any deal
that leads to an end to the war.
Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Like that's that has long been their position.
Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
And they and they have said that we will we
will turn over authority in Gaza some somebody else, not
these Raelies, like they have to withdraw, but they will
turn over authority to somebody else. And you know that
they we could have this deal by now, all the
hostages could be out by now, because the deal that
was reached in January was in phases, and the phase
(01:01:50):
one went off effectively, and then as phase two was
supposed to start and that you know, unilaterally broke it.
And so the only now at the end of July,
the Knesset goes out of session until the fall. So
there's some thinking that nen Yah, who wanted to wage
(01:02:14):
war all the way up until the Knesse went out
of session, then be pressured into the ceasefire. And then
he can't lose his government because even if smotridgrom ben
Giver quit at that point, there's no Kannesse to overthrow.
Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
And also there was a.
Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
There was a vote to you know, oust him, and
you can't have a second vote within six months. So
he actually should be fine, like he could take this
and his government shouldn't fall apart at least for six
months or so. Meanwhile, Trump's been trying to get the
judges to drop these corruption charges against nya Who, thinking
that like that might be some obstacle to Nen Yaho
(01:02:53):
getting a deal because if then yaw who feels this
gun to his head that if he loses his power
he's going to jail, then he will just continue the
genocide and definitely just to stay out of.
Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Jail and drop said had a report on the cafe attack.
This is D three.
Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Yeah, but you can put u D three and this
is yeah, check this or not all. This piece also
includes lots of details about the ongoing negotiations.
Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Yeah, and in the meantime Ryan D four. This is
from huff Posts. A couple of interesting developments out of
the Pentagon. Yes, well I shouldn't say out of the Pentagon,
but out of the Trump foreign policy. So I think
this was what Patriot missiles. They're halting some shipments of
air defense missiles Ukraine amid concerns that it's own stock
polsive such applies have declined too much, official said, according.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
To huff Post and Bridge.
Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
Colby was getting tons of heat from hawks on X
yesterday who were saying this is just shameful, people like
David French, absolutely shameful. I don't think Bridge has said
anything yet. He's Under Secretary for Defense, but he The argument,
according to his defenders on X, and it is a
(01:04:01):
very legitimate argument, by the way, is that the United
States's supply is running low for our own defense. Dan
Caldwell had a good post that I'm pulling up right
now about all of this. It's just like incredible that
you can be treated yet. So Dan says the choice
was either this was this either prioritize equipping our own
(01:04:22):
troops with ammunition in short supply and which was used
to defend US troops last week, or provide them to
a country with their limited US interests. So does David
support supplying Ukraine over our own troops, he asked, in
response to David French saying terrible. Halting patriots in particular
is viral vile.
Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Yeah, David French and these others want to live in
a world of no limits, right, I would love that'd
be great.
Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
I mean, not necessarily for everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Abundance times.
Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Yeah, it's got the environmental rules out of the way,
and you can and you'll just have endless amounts of
shells and Patriot missiles and all the other things.
Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Is that you Yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
You can wage war basically anywhere you want all the
time and shoot as many rockets off as you want,
and you will never run out.
Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
That is the world that David French would like to
live in. It's not the world that we live in.
Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
We instead have just been emptying all of our warehouses,
putting them on planes, flying them to Ukraine and Israel
for whatever they're doing over there. And yeah, now we're
running low right, and like who you're gonna get mad
at like physics?
Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Math?
Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Like rather, you're you're not mad at yourself for exhausting
all of your supplies?
Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Yeah, killing how many people? Good lord?
Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I mean if you combine the number of people killed
in Gaza and the number of people killed in Ukraine Russia,
like you haven't killed enough people.
Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Yet, And.
Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
You're sad and you're and you're upset that you exhausted
all your supplies, killing many of thousands of people, maybe
over a million, for what like how like it's it's
now twenty twenty five, doing this since twenty twenty two.
Is the world better today because we killed those million people?
Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Well, here is a connection between what we were just
talking about Gaza and Ukraine. And we're gonna get to
Syria in a moment as well. So that's one of
the other interesting developments out of the Trump foreign policy
just in the last couple of days. But when the
Ukraine war broke out, correct me if I'm wrong, Ryan,
but I believe Israel did not send weapons pers Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
We were request we were back like we were asking
them to and and Zignski was begging them to like
send us some of these patriots and look at these
poor people and keep getting attacked, like send the missiles, help,
help help, and the whole world is standing with Ukraine,
and it was like, no, think so well have enough.
Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
In a sense, they're recognizing they have not an infinite
supply of patriot missiles.
Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Yeah, right, and they cost the armous amount of money.
Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, oh incredibly, and then we.
Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Make like ninety a year or whatever the dams or
whatever they are.
Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
Yeah. Actually, there's probably an abundance argument for the price
of patriot missiles being wildly high because of it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Yeah, and it's probably actually more of a strategic argument,
because if you can't get the costs of those down,
you can't win a war of attrition. This was a
twelve day war with Iran and they were basically out.
Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Yeah, so okay, so your whole strategy is you're going
to win every war in twelve days. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
Okay, good luck, And let's talk about Syria fair bit
as well, because n I don't know if you've caught
this Reuter's report. This is the next tear street that
we can put on the screen. Insanely horrifying report. And
you know, always have to be skeptical of journalism in
the region. I guess there's maybe one broad way to
put it, but.
Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
It's this is a very chaotic place though that the
journalism actually is actually more doable because people are freer
to speak than they would have been under Yes, you know,
you have to obviously take everything with the grain of salt,
but what was it.
Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Also you have to be careful with the claims of
competing you know, like sometimes literally tribal factions and all
of that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
But this this.
Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
Report is incredibly well detailed. What Reuter said basically was
put together names of like fifteen hundred people that were
slaughtered by No, they make a connection to the government forces.
People can dispute that, but the Router's report is that
with knowledge, complicity, and probably direction from the new administration.
(01:08:39):
The Trump administration meanwhile, has just lifted sanctions on the
new government.
Speaker 8 (01:08:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Yeah, and particularly on the guys who are singled out
for these massacres.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Right, but I don't know, Well, so here you go
on to.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Yeah, So the backstory here is in March there was
there what there were some moves by the regime remnants
to try to reassert authority in certain areas they had
become and mas has been on the show talking about
this aside wasn't his forces were not totally routed. Some
(01:09:17):
of the regime elements became like gangs that controlled particular
areas and were still involved in like the capta gun
drug trade, and and we're going to hold on to
these territories. And actually, you know, in some respects depending
on how you can that they still do. And so
there was some sense that they were making a move
to kind of actually take back power because Jolani's hold
(01:09:40):
on power and is extremely tenuous, Like you know, he
swept in with like you know, a couple hundred, couple
thousand guys on like pick up trucks and motorbikes trying
to hold a massive country. And how much he actually
controls Theria is exaggerated, like there's like from you know,
(01:10:02):
Mas there. It has been you know, several weeks since
he was there. But he was saying like it's from
suburb to suburb, Like there's different like controlling authorities with
various levels of allegiance or rivalry with the quote unquote
central government. Uh So, he's kind of he's sort of
he's he's like a fake it till you make it leader.
(01:10:23):
He acts like one, but you can't really do much
in the way of direction.
Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Uh So, these although the sanctions are now lifted after
he had apparently good meeting with.
Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Trump, that's the make it part. Yeah, yeah, so he
might end up.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Making put that suit on until you get those sanctions list.
Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
And so these two guys, I don't have my laptop.
I think one of them's one of them's nomageaz Abu Baker.
Another is like is it Hamza. These guys are directly
tied to Turkey. These are but you know Turkey has
it was, you know, sponsors the entire thing, but like
they have they they directly sponsor particular factions and this
(01:11:04):
this masker was carried out by this faction that was
directly sponsored and takes direct orders from from Turkey and
so yeah, these were these were this is out and
it became like a complete masker that roped in many
many civilians.
Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
Like the Reuters story starts with a man's heart being
literally cut out of his chest and placed on top
of his body.
Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
Yeah, medieval. It was a dark dark several days.
Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
And and then interestingly, it was quote unquote central government
that's sent in sent in troops quote unquote because we're
we're watching state formation take place. So I'm putting all
these things in quotes to tamp this down. And then
you had Israel come in and like bomb the DRUS
or whatever and like a totally bizarre way, So what
(01:11:54):
are you doing, Like why are you attacking the drus
or like this stop like not not helpful here. And
so this center Gum did put a stop to it
after this like extreme level of violence, like absolutely horrifying
level of violence.
Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
And then.
Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
So now Trump has lifted all these sanctions across the board,
which is a separate policy from specifically lifting sanctions on
these two guys who are known to be or understood
to be like the main culprits who are tight with
air to one, So that that feels like that was
that was an air to one ask, because like you
(01:12:35):
can you could lift sanctions on Syria and say, all right,
you know you want to do reconstruction, that's fine. You know,
energy infrastructure, it's fine, like tele telecoms, American companies can
work there. We're lifting all of those sanctions. But these
butchers who carried out this massacre, they're still sanctioned.
Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Those are different kinds of sanctions. You could do. To
lift those is a choice. Then I'd be curious. Hopefully
we'll get some reporting.
Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Like what role air Towan played, like why and why
the Trump administration was like yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Well, yeah, especially because Israel was not in favor of
the United States lifting all of the sanctions. Uh Jilani
now goes by Al Shara says that they want to
start talks over a deal with Israel potentially.
Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
But it shows you can be like former al Qaeda, Yeah,
and as long as you're cool Israel.
Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
It's inspiring. Really, anybody can make it.
Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Anybody can make it, just one condition, one condition, all right, Well,
and they can still bomb you whenever they want, like
Israel continues to just bomb Syria at will.
Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Like I said, just a true heartwarming story. It is
of yes, of redemption and peace. Maybe someday, let's talk
about this CNN threat from Donald Trump. The latest CNN
threat from Donald Trump, and also parrot with Breaking News.
This happened actually not long before we came into the
(01:14:11):
studio that CBS, which has a pending merger, which by
the way, is with a company owned by Larry Ellison's son,
run by Larry Ellison's son. Larry Ellison is obviously an
Oracle founder, very close with the Trump administration. Pending merger
between Skydance and CBS. CBS settled for the exact same
(01:14:32):
amount of money that ABC settled the Trump suit over,
and that was a much more serious lawsuit, by the way,
because ABC had actually missed reported information about Trump's liability
in I think it was the e Gene Carrol case.
Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Sixteen million dollar.
Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
Settlement for CBS, that's a small price to pay to
potentially get their merger through and we'll talk about that
in a second. Let's before we circle back around that,
play this point that Trump made, or play this clip
that Trump made about potentially prosecuting CNN over its coverage
of the Iran bombing.
Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
This is e one.
Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
CNN yesterday worked an app that lets you trap where
ICE agents.
Speaker 11 (01:15:16):
Are saying, perhaps.
Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
Actually prosecuted that.
Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
Yeah, we're working with the Department Justice.
Speaker 9 (01:15:26):
We can't prosecute that because what they're doing is actively
encouraging people to avoid or activities operations, and we're gonna
actually go after them and prosecute them.
Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
FAMI, because what they're doing is.
Speaker 11 (01:15:42):
A legal and.
Speaker 12 (01:15:51):
Literated do you.
Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
The homes that we hit the target? So it made
me very.
Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
Well, oh boy, Ryan, we were talking about this earlier
in the show. Were served debaated it earlier in the
show about fascism and Trump's seriousness about fascism or not
serious about fascism, because I tend to think a lot
of it is a larp, not all of it. ICE
agents pulling remeisa Oz Turk off the street over an
(01:16:25):
anti Israel bed is a good example of them very
much not LARPing and making good on their their sort
of flirtation with authoritarianism. This how serious do we think
this is? I don't think this one serious.
Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
I guess I don't know. I think.
Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
I think what presidents say matters. So it is a
direct intimidation of the press to threaten to put them
in jail for reporting something that they don't like. We
also speak of a mos over at drop site. We
have a piece today at drop Site which is an
interview with a I Ronnie and nuclear scientists saying, yeah,
they didn't actually like according to his information, that moved
(01:17:06):
a bunch of stuff and like the fourdah was not,
you know, totally destroyed like Trump is saying, which matches
with what the intel is that's been leaked so far.
Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
And so are they gonna prosecute us to like you
just thinking like.
Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
They're intimidated by this thing?
Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Yeah, we published good point, so yeah, I guess not
afraid of that. The funniest part to me remains Trump's
fixation on the feelings of the pilots' they were so
brave and they were so proud of what they did.
Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Do you think that works that the public?
Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Don't you think a public hears that?
Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
And They're like, yeah, no, because these are fighter pilots,
not nine year olds playing soccer. They don't need a
participation trophy like it mattered, Like yeah, like sorry, we
keep score.
Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
Like we're not doing this thing. We're like, what was
the score?
Speaker 8 (01:18:04):
Dad?
Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
We don't keep scoring. It doesn't matter if the ball
went in the net or missed the net. Like that's
the American approach to it.
Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I mean feel like we're doing war.
Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
It matters if the ball goes in the net. Did
you hit the.
Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
Target or not, it's not it. I'm sorry that your
feelings are hurt if you missed it.
Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
Well per usual, Well you just did. Everyone gets a trophy.
Got to get rid of that mentality.
Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Actually get a trophy just for pressing the button on
your bomb.
Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
It's got to actually hit the target.
Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
The media, I feel like it actually was pretty celebratory
about they were the media love about military action.
Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
And also I'm happy to pretend that the nuclear program
was absolutely annihilated.
Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Let's just say no need for any more war.
Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
The beautiful pilots courageously struck all of their targets, especially
the ones way underneath the mountain.
Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
It's completely obliterated, and nothing was moved.
Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Either nothing was moved, and we need no more war
and give them all a trophy, give them like four
foot tall trophies that they need.
Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
They need like both hands to carry them home.
Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
Just to continue the point about whether this is actually
intimidating or not. As I recover from the double handed
trophy illustration.
Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
How do you take a selfie like you don't want
to drop your trophy?
Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
And you can't pop the ship pain if you have
two hands on a trophy or take it so.
Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
Maybe a little smaller, some dignified.
Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Yeah, it could be a beautiful metals books.
Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
I participated in the twelve day war.
Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
Okay, recover it the seriousness of the threat. A great
example of this is the CBS lawsuit that was just
settled at the recommendation of share Redstone because they want
to get the sky Dance merger through.
Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
This was not a serious lawsuit. I was reading through
the lawsuit this morning.
Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
Actually, what I was waiting to pick Ryan up stctioneer
in DC. It refers to like Kamala, not miss Harris
Senator vice president Harris Kamala throughout it sites like bright
bart articles. It wasn't a serious lawsuit, and it just
speaks to the fact that CBS was not at all
intimidated that they were going to be found in violation.
Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
They won an Emmy for that interview.
Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
By the way, I will say they deceptively edited the
Kamala Harris interview. Every network does that every single day.
That what they aired on Face the Nation was different
than what they aired on Sixty Minutes, and I think
it was materially different. I think you got a different
version of the answer, a significantly different version of the answer.
She was being Kamala Harris was being pressed on Gaza, basically,
(01:20:45):
on Israel and whether the Biden administration was being taken
seriously by the Nets and Yahoo basically.
Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
And they aired a very different version of it on
both shows. And that speaks to the power.
Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Of the media. Everyone kind of knows that the media
is doing that. This was a good example of it.
It is not, and it should not be something that
you can actually be found liable of defamation whatever by
a politician for doing it's wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Can you imagine though, if the president was set that
everybody who doesn't give full context to a clip of
an interview, Yeah, it has to pay seventeen million dollars
to Trump seriously, like, how many Twitter accounts are out
there clipping like twenty five seconds of an interview where
Trump feel like, you know, the whole two and a
(01:21:30):
half minutes gives a slightly different context, So that'll be
seventeen million dollars or you don't get your merger, Yeah,
you don't get This is not about what it's about.
Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
What it's actually about is this merger he's doing.
Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
It is a way to give money directly to the
president so that he will sign off on a corporate
merger that's worth much more than seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
Right, And CBS is not admitting wrongdoing in the settlement.
It is money that is going to his presidential library.
Do you think was the same thing in the ABC
case both sixteen million dollars settlements. I think when ABC settled,
people who at the time were worried about the president
that they set by settling are being vindicated because Trump
has realized that he can essentially extort money for his
(01:22:12):
presidential library. If that's what is going on behind the
scenes of this, it looks like Redstone saw that and
realized that you can sort of come to the table
and look like you're making a deal with the administration
in a way that actually grant's favor with the president.
Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
And we'll see what happens with their merger.
Speaker 6 (01:22:35):
I mean, that's a the other tin cups. Zuckerberg tried
to do that. Zuckerberg tried to do that with the
FTC and it did not work. Zuckerberg tried to give
a ton of money to Donald Trump into the Inaugural
Fund and all of that, and the FTC is continuing
in its suit.
Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
It's metasuit.
Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Yeah, the other tin cup that they put out, And
I wonder if you've heard this around town, and so
people should look to see whether or not ABC or
CBS end up becoming like investors in Millennia's documentary.
Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Like Amazon, Like that's.
Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
The word around town. Another way that you need to another.
Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Basically, it's a coin operated and you have to find
the different buckets. And one of the buckets you're supposed
to put coins into is this Millennia documentary. We'll see
if it ever gets made, but you can imagine how
the scheme would work that the thing will, you know,
raise a billion dollars in investment capital and then it'll
make one hundred million, and you'll go back to the
(01:23:30):
investors and be like, real shame that investment didn't pan out. Well,
you got your merger.
Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
You don't even know how much it makes though, because
it's going to be on Prime, So it's not like
there are tickets.
Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Right and then Prime can like overpay them for it.
Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Yeah. So as dumb as the CBS editing was, it's
also just like we're I don't even think Trump would
deny this. We're in roy Cone territory once again.
Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Oh yes, yeah, he's loving it.
Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
Yeah, all right, Well, thanks everyone for sticking with us
on this wild travel twenty four hour period. As we
made our way into the studio, Ryan doing a literal planes, trains,
an automobile journey from Miami to Washington.
Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Also, the show would have been on time if this
were in China, Like it took like it took like
three and a half hours in the end to get
from Richmond to DC. It's a thirty minute train ride
in China.
Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
Yeah. The Richmond, the Richmond leg of your trip was
especially egregious. I had was.
Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Supposed to start at four fifty two am, didn't start
till six oh five.
Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
I didn't get in until nine, and here you are.
Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
I had two delayed flights and one canceled flight yesterday.
It was trying to get back. Was also wild, but
not quite as wild as yours was. Stick around for
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Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
That's right. We will be an easy one that's coming
from inside the city.
Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yeah, compared and will be very easy.
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Speaker 5 (00:36):
Emily, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We won't bore you.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
With the details of our travel, but Ryan had a
literal planes, trains, and automobile journey this morning, so if we're.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
A little late.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
I got in like one am because flights were.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Canceled cross storms on the East coast tried to keep
us out of the studio this morning. Yeah, they but
like Murkowski, you know, they buckled in the end, and here.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
We are right this is just like Leason, Markows and Ryan.
You may notice is what we call on the show
raw dogging.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It does not have a laptop.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I did not actually travel with my laptop this time,
for the first time ever, and I never never made
it home because I flew straight to Richmond after my
flight was canceled, took a train over to DC.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Emily picked me up at the station. Here we are.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's been a.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
Wild warning, so our apologies if we were a little late,
but we wanted to be here. So we have a
big show, lots of crazy news. The Big Beautiful Bill
passed the Senate yesterday and Jade Vance cast the tie
breaking vote, so we have some information on what's actually
in that bill and what's going to happen now that
it heads to the House of Representatives. Donald Trump wants
it on his desk by Friday, because that's the fourth
(01:38):
of July and that is the deadline that he and
Republicans set for themselves, so we will break it all down.
Trump did a tour of quote Alligator Alcatraz.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
I was down in Florida, were.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You actually that's right, you covered the protest.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I went down to Alligator Alcatraz before it opened and
saw the trucks barreling in and there are hundreds of
people out there protesting it. We'll talk about it in
the segments. It's it's quite something.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Yeah, Gavin Newsom has come out as an abundance bro
and we have news on exactly how that's playing out
in California so far. Ryan, you're gonna do a breakdown
on news out of Gaza.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, we've got Trump is saying he's pushing forward with
the ceasefire deal. There's no confirmation from the Israeli side yet,
we're still it's all still up in the air, and
the number of the number of killings is just somehow accelerating.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
That's which seems impossible. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah, the the news from the cafe that I know
we're going to come.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, it's this attack on this cafe used by journalists. Also,
Trump says he's going to proseendome say they're going to
prosecute CNN for hurting the feelings of our jet pilots,
who Trump says, came back feeling so proud of themselves
after their bombing run. You know, they felt like they
had just taped top Gun three and only to see
(03:00):
CNN that perhaps not all of the centrifuges were destroyed
and the uranium may have been moved, and it deeply
upset the bombers and they should not be hurt like that.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
And I don't know if you people pilots are people too.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yes, the pilots are people.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
So I don't know if you caught this news overnight
because you've had a trained situation. But also CBS settled
with the Trump administration, and we'll cover that in the
CNN block. But that is a very interesting suit as well.
I was reading some of it.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Seventeen million dollar bribe.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Sixteen million dollars, the exact same as the NBC settlement.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So that's that's the price for a merger.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, well, we'll get into all of it.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
So let's start with the one big beautiful bill which
has passed the Senate. JD Vance cast the tie breaking vote.
Let's go ahead and roll a one.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
The ya's are fifty, the na's are fifty, the Senate
being evenly divided. The Vice President votes in the affirmative.
The bill as amended is past.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
So they ended up losing Rand Paul Susan Collins, and
Tom Tillis. So Lisa Murkowski ultimately got on board with it.
And while we're talking about that. I'm going to control room.
Skip ahead here to A four. This is Lisa Murkowski
being confronted by a reporter in the Capitol who was
asking about the process of getting Lisa Murkowski to a yes,
(04:21):
which was very difficult but doable for leadership.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Senator Paul said that this was that your vote was
a bailout for Alaska at the expense of the rest
of the country.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Oh my god, that's what Senator Paul said.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I said, was easy, Senator, We've got the.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
I didn't say, ma'am. I'm just asking for your response.
Speaker 9 (04:44):
My response is I have an obligation to the people
of the state of Alaska, and I live up to that.
Every single day I advocated from my state's interests. I
will continue to do that, and I will make no
excuses for doing that. Do I like this bill? No,
(05:07):
because I tried to take care of Alaska's interests. But
I know I know that in many parts of the
country there are Americans that are not going to be
advantaged by this bill. I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
In flashbacks to the Cornhusker kickback the Buckle of the
two thousand and nine, this is being called the Kodiak
kickback by Ruben Diego. Because Murkowski did get car outs
in the bill.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yes, she got the legislation changed so that the people
who live in the forty nine other states will not
feel the same, will feel more of a punishment than
people in Alaska will. Yeah, which, and it is true.
She is a senator from Alaska. Her title is United
States Senator. It's it's like, yeah, I get representing your state.
(06:01):
But to actively do something that you know is going
to hurt Alaskans but is going to hurt the rest
of the country less, and so you go for it
is some weak sauce. And if you notice in that clip,
I've followed her around the hall for many, many years.
She has an Energy Press Corps because she's so influential
(06:22):
when it comes to the energy sector and the energy
trade reporters love her.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
She loves them. Uh huh like it.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I'm sure it's.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Kind of funny to watch. Well, yeah, and then so
she's not used to getting that in the hallway.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Per Politico.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
As part of the Senate Republicans sweeping final amendment to
the bill that was part of the overnight negotiations, they
removed a controversial tax on solar and wind energy projects
that Murkowski and a handful of other Republicans were agitating
to be removed. Another goodie bordered on the obscure, if
not for the Senator Bow had whaling boat captains recognized.
But the Alaska Eskimo Whaling Commission will be able to
deduct more for whale hunting related expenses up to fifty
(06:56):
thousand from the current ten thousand, which obviously we support.
Here's editorial policy of breaking points. We are a very
strong we always have had a strong position on that
deduction whaling off for the Alaskaskima Whaling Commission.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, I got to keep that whale oil flowing.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
So this is how jd Vance we can put a
two up on the screen.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
This is how jd Vance was talking about the bill.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
He says, massive tax cuts, especially no tax on tips
and overtime, and most importantly, big money for border security.
This is a big win for the American people. It's
true these are across the board tax cuts. They will
disproportionately benefit wealthy Americans. Most of the tax cuts are
going to wealthy Americans. It doesn't mean that the middle
(07:40):
class isn't getting tax cuts. They are getting tax cuts,
the no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, both
helpful policies obviously for many, many, many average Americans. Ryan,
but we can put Jeff Stein's breakdown of the bill
on the screen.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This is where things.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Got very hairy for Republicans in order to pay for
those tax cuts, to have a bill that doesn't look
as egregious as this one ultimately ended up looking. So
it didn't really matter too much for them, to be honest.
They were going for austerity essentially, So Ryan, you can
(08:19):
sort of what we would walk through some of this,
but major safety net cuts targeting Medicaid as Jeff reports,
and food stamps, so those do add work requirements, they
add some cost sharing for the states, some paperwork. They
think that'll save about one point three trillion.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I think that's per the correct So it's.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
One point brillion, one point three trillion in cuts to medicaid,
in food stamps, right.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Yeap point four trillion to immigration enforcement and the military budget,
which they got through the parliamentarian and then they ended
up cutting a ton of the clean energy subsidies, basically
Biden's Green industrial policy gut cut.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
So they put that at about five hundred billion. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think it'll actually end up being much more because
the tax credits weren't necessarily capped in the IRA, so
that we've had a surprising boom in clean tech manufacturing.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Over the last several years.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And so the more you have, then the more tax
credits they're going to be, which creates more energy, lowers
energy prices, and on and on. So could be five
hundred million, could be even more. So that's about two trillion.
Like that, they're cutting out of federal spending by going
after food stamps, Medicaid, and subsidies for energy production, and
(09:34):
then they're spending it. We can go back if you
want to put the Jeff Stein post back up. So
the way that they're spending it two point five trillion
dollars to extend the prior tax cuts, so those are
the ones that Trump passed in twenty seventeen. This extends
them out. And also your childcare benefit goes from two
thousand to two point two with so many kids, Hey,
(09:56):
that's going to be nice for me, big big win
for me.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Right there. Then there about a trillion.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Dollars in various tax cuts that go to the top
one percent, including basically eliminating the estate tax.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
So think about that. So that's roughly the amount of Medicaid.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Instead fifteen million dollars, it's.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
At fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
But with stepped up basis loopholes and other loopholes, there
are going to be very few people who end up
paying estate taxes, like almost nobody.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because it's already pretty small group.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's a small group already. But yeah, but it's going
to cost a trillion dollars. That means it's it's not
nobody that's currently paying it, So now they're pushing it
very close to nobody. And then you know, half a
billion on his other things, you know, no cash, no, no,
no tax on tips, Cheff's dimensions, the car intest deduction.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Hey, that'll help.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Me too, Yes, I got this is going great for you.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
A couple of car payments, I mean car pay This
could not possibly be the best.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
This is amazing, No, genuinely like this will be like
for me, except for the fact that I'll live in
a worst country.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
This is going to be good for me.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
It's a really I think the decision making process around
this bill is has been a very interesting glimpse into
how Republicans are struggling immensely with these two disparate wings
that became part of the MAGA coalition. And on the
one hand, you have the austerity of Elon Musk, who
(11:30):
is now threatening a third party sort of like an
American AfD basically that is focused specifically, it's like a
Doge party essentially, is the way that he's talking about it.
On the other hand, you have the Josh Hollies who
are pissed about the cuts to Medicaid but ended up
voting for the bill because they either had to look
at and this this is a false choice, I'll explain,
(11:51):
but the way that they saw it was they either
had to look at tax increases because these tax cuts
were expiring. And that was something that Trump didn't think
what happened on his watch, because he would have when
they have passed in twenty seventeen and been done with
two terms. So tax sets were expiring, so you either
have to let the taxes go up or you have
(12:13):
to look at something completely different than how they conceived
of this entire reconciliation process.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But they don't have enough members.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Like they Elon must sounds wildly naive because there's nothing
that you can do to actually tackle the national debt
and the out of control spending. Will you still have
to make Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Rand Paul like, It's
just none of this would have worked. This was their
only option other than letting taxes go up.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It doesn't mean that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
That's where I think it's sort of a false choice
and actually brought you hunger. Stargan has pointed this out.
They could have actually just let the top rate expire.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
They didn't have to cut it again.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
They could have just let the top right expire.
Speaker 10 (12:56):
Or because they don't actually give a damn out spending
or the debt, they could have just been honest that
they're blowing up the debt and not even bothered to
make cuts.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, if the tax to pay for the tax.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yes, And so you're gonna have to explain to me
what it what's up with this party? Because Jade Vans
kept saying in defense of this bill, Look, everyone's got
criticisms of it, but none of your criticisms could actually
get you know, fifty one votes get a majority in
the House. But having watched Trump's campaign, I could design
not a bill that I would like, but I could
(13:30):
design a bill that would match with like the Bannon
Maga Trump ideology and that would not raise the deficit
like this, you could actually increase instead of spending a
trillion dollars on the estate, like a state tax giveaway
for just you know, fail sons and failed daughters like this,
just who is the constituency to like defend the rights
(13:53):
of children and grandchildren of billionaires, Like as a populist movement,
you could be like, look, you know what, everyone you know,
we're gonna tilt the playing field back towards regular people.
Like just because you're born with the last name Gates,
Like does it's a random name? Yeah, it doesn't mean
not anyone in particular and not the congressman. Doesn't mean
that you get to be a billionaire two Like you
(14:14):
didn't do anything, so you can be a very you
can be a multimillionaire and never work in your life.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
The irony.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Also, all you ever meet these kids, they're all destroyed.
They're not happy. Like it'd be one thing if we
were destroying the planet and destroying the working class and
the middle class and the point one percent we're having
the time of their lives. The point one percent are miserable,
their children are more miserable, and their grandchildren are miserable too. No,
(14:40):
this isn't making anybody happy. So okay, there's a trillion
dollars right there. You could also, as Trump hinted that
he would do, you could raise taxes on the super rich.
He talked about maybe creating like another bracket for a
million and up. He could do that, so then you
can have tax cuts for ninety five percent of the
American public but doesn't actually cost you that money. And
(15:04):
he also ran promising that he would never cut Medicaid.
It was assumed he wouldn't cut food stamps. I don't
know if you ever promised that, and then you wouldn't
have to cut Medicaid and food stamps.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
You can, and then you can go and.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
You know, bust the deficit to do your mass deportation.
You don't need to do this like you nobody, there's
no cops around here, and do whatever you want. But basically,
according to you advance, they don't have the votes for that.
So that's where I need you to explain to me
what on earth is going on with a party where
what I just laid out, like ninety nine percent of
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the country getting a tax cut, you get your mass deportation,
you get your populism, no tax on tips, all this stuff.
The only thing you'd have to do is not a
cater to the grandchildren of like billionaires.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
But they can't do that. Why.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
I think part of it is you're always going to
have to give something to the fiscal hawks because on
the House side you have Chip Roy someone, and people like.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Chip Roys are choking on this.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Well he's yeah, I mean, he's furious about the way
everything stands. I mean, there's like a Thomas Massey criticism
of the bill, and massive basically will never come to
a yes on it. But there are people who basically
share his perspective on everything, just see it as impractical
to vote for nothing and let taxes go up. And
I think you put Chip Roy in a handful of
other people in that camp. So Biden's spending actually was
(16:31):
like he exploded federal spending.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
And he would say that they started under Trump with
the response to COVID, which gave us the best Trump
and Biden gave us the best economic recovery relative to
any other country in the world out of COVID. By
the way, that social democracy thing we tried for a
couple of years.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
It actually works.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
This is where they start talking about how Trump who
promised not to touch medicaid and to your point about
snap like probably imply I think in all of that
similar stamps similar Did.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
You know who you're going after on food stamps?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Like any Yeah, well, I mean as somebody on the right,
I do think that. I mean, this was there's a
GAO report he was like twenty twenty one in four
Medicaid dollars were improper payments, so they were either they
should never have been made or they were in the
wrong amount. It was like thirty billion dollars in twenty
twenty four. I think they are like significant problems. By
the way, this is what people not me, but people
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were optimistic Doge would start targeting. Is that like there
is legitimate that to be trimmed there. We have a
problem with workforce participation among men, in particular the Joint
Economic Committee at one point this was under Mike Lee.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
We can't get men to go to a doctor anyway,
to go to a doctor, right, Taking their medicaid is
not actually gonna.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Get them back to work.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Not the problem, but that's your theory of why men
are not working.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, anyway, so that's actually up significantly since over the
last like several deconds. There's a lot of stuff that
you could do with them, but pairing it with a
tax cut just politically is a huge giveaway to Democrats.
You are quite literally paying for tax cuts on the
wealthy with us and on the other hand, morally, for
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a party that is now trying to represent working class Americans,
you're actually not putting a dent in the debt, right
And I know that they dispute the Congressional Budget Office analysis,
which is fine because Democrats often take issue with the
CBO scores. Everyone has profits with the CBO scores. CBO
has absolutely been wrong, I get it. But the idea
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that this is going to generate enough growth to offset
the revenue to the IRS, it's I mean, I think
it's highly unlikely and everyone basically understands that. So you're
not putting a dent in spending or the debt basically at.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
This point, right, Let's and let's also think about how
we're saving the money so and then think about it's
often not helpful to think about, you know, the country
as like a householder a company.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
But let's do a little exercise there.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Imagine you're company or a household and you're you know,
one of your lieutenants comes to you and says, you
know what, the way we're going to cut spending and
become profitable, either as a household or as a company,
We're going to stop paying our insurance health insurance, and
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we're going to stop basically and in this case whatever
the equivalent is of energy production. So we're cutting half
a billion dollars in investment towards energy energy production, and
that's going to make us richer. I think the CEO
would be like, okay, but we're going to need energy.
So where's the energy going to come from? Because if
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you look at the charts of energy use, the demand
is going through the roof. You guys, ever hear of
AI like it's a thing that's going on now, it's
gobbling up a lot of it clouds. Everything's becoming electrified.
Everything in your house is using more electricity than it
did before. Electricity demand is going up relative to what
it has been in the past, So we need more
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electricity production. You can hate when solar batteries speak ideologically
because you hate them they represent two thirds of the
capacity that we've added over the last year and are
were projected to represent more than that going forward. So now,
but you're like, do more natural gas, like more oil?
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Like there are limits to there are limits to what
you can do. So what you're actually going to do
is get rolling blackouts. You're just you know, demand is
going to outstrip the supply that you have. And then
you go, well, you're like, wait a minute, we're going
to stop paying our insurance bill, our employees or our
family members all of a sudden not going to get sick. No,
Americans are still going to get sick. Where are they
(20:46):
going to go? Oh, they're going to go to the
emergency room? Now who's going to pay for that? The
hospital is going to pay for that. Also, the hospital
that is now getting provider tax hit, you know, hit
with a provider tax too. This is projected to throw
seventeen million people off of their health insurance and is
likely to bankrupt a ton of hospitals, Like we're already
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losing hospitals all over rural America. Yeah, and some like
struggling urban hospitals and mostly rural hospitals. Holly was making
a huge stink about this.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Yeah, Susan Collins as well.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
They were even like figuring out ways. There was an
amendment on the floor to you know, slightly tweak the
estate tax to create a fund that would protect royal
hospitals from going under. It failed like eighty twenty. So
people are still going to get sick, people still need energy.
(21:39):
So okay, all of the savings in the bill quote
unquote savings actually make us poorer. Meanwhile, the things were
cutting tax cutting taxes essentially also make its poor.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's the most self destructive piece of legislation I think
that we've ever done, like on purpose.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
It's like it's so weird.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Well, Stephen Miller is saying, you remember this from like
a month or two ago, that it is the most
important piece of.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
All Right, this is very smart.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, we're gonna get We're gonna get millions of people
out of the country, and that's also going to make
us richer.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Well, I mean there's a tax definitely on the social
safety net because of people who are in the country
illegally or waiting silence.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Unless they're in their twenties, thirties, forties, paying in and
not getting money out, which is the case for a
lot of them.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Well that, yeah, I mean that's absolutely an argument.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I don't.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
They to the point about it being self destructive. They
would say that immigration enforcement is it's not even about
the spending. They would say the immigration enforcement is about
like safety and culture. That's the Stephen Miller argument that immigration.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
As Trump said, if Steven Miller had his way, there'd
be one hundred million people in this country and they'd
all look like Steven Miller.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All, John Trump, what a country that would.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Be under million school shooters?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah right, I mean calling you you were thinking it too.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Let's move on to the feud between Elon Musk and
Donald Trump, which is actually related to everything that we
are talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
This is the clip of Donald Trump being asked.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
About Elon Musk yesterday on his Alligator Alcatraze tour.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Cohen rolled us.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
That thing.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
You know, he's upset. He's that he's losing his ev
mandate didn't accept hither.
Speaker 12 (23:29):
He's very upset about things. But you know, he can
lose a lot more than that. I should tell you
right now, can lose a lot more than that. We
might have to put Jojon you know, you know joj
Joj's the monster that that might have to go back
and eat Elon.
Speaker 10 (23:47):
M be there above.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
He gets a lot of subsidies, Petter, but Eli's very
upset that the EV mandate is going to be terminated.
And you know what, when you look at ITV who
wants not everybody? Do you want an electric jar? I
don't want an electric jar.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I want to have baby.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
Gasoline, maybe electric, maybe a hybrid, maybe someday a high
used US Do you have a high usen gar? It
has one problem that blows up, you know, So I'm
gonna give that one.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
The Peter so Trump that was at the White House
before he left for the Everglades. He is asked by
a reporter, are you going to deport Elon Musk? Trump says,
We'll have to take a look. We might have to
put doge on Elon. You know, doges the months that
might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that
be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies. Musk replies
on Twitter, this is the next element quote so tempting
(24:34):
to escalate this so so tempting, but I will refrain
for now. Then Musk also posts to cut it all
now in response to Trump saying that Doge might look
at Musk's subsidies, Musk's argument, Ryan is not entirely dissimilar
from the point you were just making about some of
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these or the nature of the cuts being self destructed.
But he's coming at it. He's coming at it from
a totally different perspective.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Not totally like there's there's some significant overlap, which is
that he is desperately concerned and it goes back to
both his business but also his venture to to Mars.
He's desperately concerned with electricity production. He keeps posting these
various charts of Chinese electricity production versus American electricity production.
(25:27):
You know, they're they're on track to make as much
electricity with just wind, solar and battery power as we
are total. And if you're in an AI race, which
is related to his Mars race, then how do you
think that's going to go?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Like the country with more Jewics is going to win
this one.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
So so that's that's where the overlap is. He also
wants he doesn't like the deficit busting stuff because he
wants to spend that money going to Mars.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
That's where when he's saying, cut all of the subsidies. Now,
I mean, it's just it's easy to say that when
he's on the outside looking in.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I don't know, is that easy to say.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I'm sure his shareholder, Yeah, cherolders are probably super excited.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
He doesn't mean that.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I mean you also, we and I blame everyone from
Obama up empowered this guy to have this power.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
He wouldn't exist with that federal subsidies that Obama.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
With Starlink and SpaceX and all these things, like these guys,
this guy's got.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
This guy has cards to play.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Trump rescued by Barack Obama.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean but now he's got guards.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Easy to say, yeah, yeah, now he has cards. That's right.
So I don't know the threat to start a third
party and all of that. Musk also had a pretty
interesting I thought it was a pretty interesting omission on
X yesterday. Ryan.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He was like a full reply guy.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
But he in response to somebody saying that the chainsaw
kind of made it harder for for Doge to do anything,
he basically agreed and said that Malay gave him the
chainsaw backstage, but in retrospect he thinks that it did
lack empathy.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I believe that's what he said.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, he says a fair criticism. He said, you know,
Malay gave him the chainsaw backstage and he just went
with it, and yeah, exactly. And I always i'd kind
of wonder, I'm like, how much like the original name
for ecstasy was empathy, because that's closer to the feeling
(27:33):
that it produces in a in a user, And so
I always wonder they didn't go with empathy because it's
like that's not very cool marketing, like ecstasy is going
to sell better in the club. But I always wondered, like,
how is this guy eating this much molly and this
callous like how does he how does he not care
(27:54):
about the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, tens
of millions of people plus who are affected by like
the whims of of this vendor that he's on. And
it turns out that, you know, now that he's come
back to Earth a little bit, he actually does know
(28:15):
the word empathy, and he regrets that it that it
lacked empathy in his own and also accomplished nothing except
ruining a whole bunch of people's lives.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I mean, I think he just exists in the strain
of libertarianism, which is kind of weird to say from
somebody whose businesses are based on subsidies. But he exists
in the strain of libertarianism where libertarianism, where empathy itself
is used to The belief is that empathy itself is
used to hurt people and is used to like inflict cruelty.
I mean, it's just a standard like Milton free argument
(28:45):
about how toxic empathy, but this is more like how
people will get trapped in government dependency spirals and it's
cruel And I think he thought in his own way.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Also, by the way, if you guys think having humanity
is bad, you took a wrong turn somewhere like retrace
your steps and then we go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
This is the Ryangram argument for USA.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I d well for some programs, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
But I'm not even good on those. You could make
that argument about some of the bad programs that you
lack humanity if you strip away this USA d aid well.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I mean, it depends, it very much depends.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
But E's perspective.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
If you if you take away some but a kid's
infant formula without a plan to replace it with something
else that can live on.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Not good, that's bad and lacks emplicate.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Whether or not that cutout was also involved in some
regime change regime.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Change baby formula.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
It's it's the tastiest baby formula. But musk is he
I think felt like he had the wind at his
back culturally in a way that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So that post was really interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
He spends yes, exactly, he spent too much time with
his own reply.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Guys, Yes, yeah, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Who would have thought that kat turn too would lead
you astray?
Speaker 6 (30:04):
But here we are, and he's Elan is like admitting
that in this really it's like it's just it's just
a post on X, but he's admitting that he had
basically terrible political instincts and then demanding the Republican Party
currently follow his political instincts.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Or else he's going to start a political party. Sure
that'll go.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Well, let's talk about Alligator Alcatraz because Ryan actually took
a trip to Alligator Alcatraz while he was in Florida
over the last several days.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We can roll b one here.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
You can see how basically Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump
constructed their own sort of little Seacott brought a little
flavor of El Salvador up.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
To the like inspired by Seacot.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It does.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
If you're listening to this, what you're seeing is, you know,
bunk beds behind fencing and it's being sort of trumpeted
as an amazing feat and it was put up really quickly.
Ryan said, you saw the trucks rolling in over the
last fever of days they did this, and what I
mean less than a week, right.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, today's Wednesday. So I was there Saturday and there
was a there was a big protest there. There had
been a protest, a smaller protest the week before, and
I talked to people who'd been the week before and
there was basically nothing. Then you could basically drive onto
the base at that point. By the time I got there,
you couldn't drive on there because there was so much
traffic from the dump trucks and propane trucks and generator
(31:28):
trucks and food trucks that were just streaming onto this
site in a way that was like affecting. It was
like ominous, like how much energy was being put in this.
And most of the trucks had names like you know
Rodriguez Trucking or something like that. And they were planning,
(31:48):
they were planning to put this thing together in days,
and they did and on Tuesday. I'm getting my days
mixed up yet. July first, Tuesday, Trump and DeSantis like
inaugurated the thing. They're going to spend they say, all
these estimates are always low. Uh, they're gonna they say
they're going to spend four hundred and fifty million dollars
in the first year of the operation of this site. Meanwhile,
(32:14):
it is hurricane season, so there is. It took us
about an hour. I drove from Miami down to the
protest there.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Your wife and kids dealigator.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Well, we only have one kid with us now because
a three year in camp and it was too early
in the morning.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
She refused to go, but a friend's kid did go.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And get up.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Dad's driving a Saligators.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Are going Alligator out tress. Yeah, and it was packed.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Maybe in post Steinston Mac some of the videos we
can put them in there, although we're kind of late,
so maybe I want to do. But it's the beginning,
it's the beginning of hurricane season.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
There's one road that takes you there. That's it.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Like this is you're driving through, having through the everglades,
trying to evacuate all of those people in the event
of a hurricane plus evacuating there are a lot of Mikisuka,
There's Indigenous people that live down there. There's also I
think it's mostly mostly Native people that live down there
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because it's mostly Native area, but there's some, you know,
and there will always be like Florida residents down there
as well. Trying to evacuate all of the workers and
all of the staff, and all of the people in
attention and all of the other people on this little
two lane road would be calamitous. So we just have
(33:41):
to I guess, cross our fingers that we don't get
a dream mass casualty event. So actually a hurricane that
forms quickly and hits that area.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Where I thought you were going with us was that
some of the news reports included statements from people whose
homes have been flat by hurricanes and saw DeSantis really
quickly construct this.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Massive with FEMA money.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yes, four hundred and fifty million dollars in I think
it was like eight days something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It wasn't there last week, and now you have.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
We haven't rebuilt western North Carolina. We haven't rebuilt even
like from Hurricane Michael, in like the Panhandle, in Florida,
Desantus like it still looks like it went through last week.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
So yeah, they're they're wanting it to get up to
five thousand beds. I think it's three thousand right now now.
In there a couple of things that I would just
add to this. We have a serious problem with lacking
detention capacity for immigrants.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
For lack Land in Florida.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Though for yeah, that's a totally, totally legitimate point. And
if I were someone who was waiting for their house
to be rebuilt in Florida, not sure that this would throw.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Me at all.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
But we have like fifty nine thousand people detainees because
of the ICE enforcement. But the ICE enforcement itself is
because the Biden administration at minimum created you know, an
influx of eight million people over the course of a
few years, and so the Trump administration enforcing that means
that they have a record number fifty nine thousand people.
(35:10):
They're running out of room, and so there is absolutely
unless you are full, and this is probably where Ryan
and I disagree. Full let people stay. You absolutely do
need more room for all of this, and you do
need incentives for people to use things like CBP home
which allow you to just very humanly self support and
you don't end up getting detained, you don't end up
(35:31):
getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
At least that's the theory.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
So they believe these are disincentives for people to continue
staying in the country if they're you know, if they
have not shown up for court dates or anything like that,
if the process is run.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Out right, but they're trying to break the process by
arresting people at their court dates.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Like they're definitely doing this loophole where they will dismiss
somebody's proceedings at a hearing and then just arrest them
at it and say, okay, now you're moved into expedited removal.
And so basically it's incentivized people not to show up.
Let's say, okay, y'all want you want to deport lots
of people, Uh, why not just do like ankle braces,
(36:14):
Like okay, Like, here's the process. We're going to change
the law. They just showed they can pass any law
they want. We're gonna we're gonna make the laws such
that if the expedited removal is actually expedited. There's gonna
be a little bit of due process, but we want
so it's going to be you know, fig leaf, but
there's gonna be some process and then once you're ordered deported.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
You're deported.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
And in the meantime, you can you know, you wear
an ankle bracelet or whatever like or like there's other ways,
Like we live in a surveillance society.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
We sure do, Like does have Peter Teal handled?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, if like this should this should not be like
something that like the if if the right is going
to go in this dystopian direction of building like mass
camp in the Everglades, the Boo Kelly Larp, Yeah, then
it's not as if they have something like they would
they would shrink it like exercising some extreme surveilance authority.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Let's watch how Donald Trump was describing all of this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
This is B two.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
Take care of our farmers and hotel workers and various
other people that we're working on it right now.
Speaker 13 (37:21):
And Ron's going to be involved, and you were involved already.
Speaker 14 (37:24):
So we have a.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Case where a lot of cases where ice will go
on to a farm and there's the guys working there
for ten fifteen years, no club, the farmers home.
Speaker 13 (37:34):
We're going to put let's go a farmer responsibility or
owner responsibility where they're going to be largely responsible for
these people.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
And they know these people. They've worked on the.
Speaker 14 (37:44):
Farms for fifteen years and all of a sudden, so
I have a great ron does Christie does? We have
a great feeling for the farmer and for others in
the same position, and we're going to give them responsibility
for people. And we're going to have a system of
signing them up so they don't have to go. They
could be here legally, they can pay taxes and everything.
They're not getting citizenship, but they get other things. And
(38:07):
the farmers need them to do the work without those people,
and you're not going to be able to run your
form President.
Speaker 11 (38:12):
They're gonnas to tell me how to do something inside
of his facility.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
First, should go here and love something. Because they don't
do this, they would not.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Want to get and if they did.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
It, the pus orcrednize were here. To be honest, Hey,
Biden wanted me in here.
Speaker 14 (38:29):
Okay, he wanted me.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
It didn't work out that way, but.
Speaker 15 (38:33):
He wanted me in here.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Trump saying that Biden wanted him an alligator alcatraze. We
have a couple of more clips because he was on
a roll yesterday. This is Trump being asked about what
the sort of point of the alligator branding is. I
let the.
Speaker 15 (38:49):
Alligator alphatraze the idea.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
D it heard a great pain?
Speaker 6 (38:54):
They just getting finality order.
Speaker 11 (38:55):
And thinking about I guess that's for concept.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
This is not a nice christ.
Speaker 13 (39:00):
I guess that's a goudhet that you.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
You know, the snakes are fash, but alligators are.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
But we're going to teach them how to run.
Speaker 11 (39:08):
Away from an alligator. Okay, if they escaped prison, how
to run away.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Don't run in a.
Speaker 15 (39:14):
Straight line, run like this, and you know what, your.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
Chances go up about one percent.
Speaker 11 (39:19):
Okay, not a good thing.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
He's sort of bragging about his knowledge of alligator.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Escape from his golf courses.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Oh that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
If you're looking closely at the hat, by the way,
which I didn't until it was just in front of us. Now,
there's a subheading on the Gulf of America maga hat
that says yet another Trump development.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
That's what it says on the hat.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I'm glad he's having such a wonderful time bringing like
object fascism like this.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Is like completely it's really fascism.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Fascism too, Like build a giant concentration camp in the
middle of the Everglades, I mean where the people are
like at immediate risk of getting killed if a hurricane
comes through, joking about them getting eaten by alligators and snakes,
and well that part okay, and also.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Say it's fascism, it's it's him LARPing. It's like fascist LARPing.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
And and he's also doing some weird planter class LARPing
in the first clip that you can slay it there,
he's like, we're gonna have owner responsibility. That was his
I'm not putting words in his mouth. He said owner
responsibility for migrants who work on farms.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
M I don't even have to like say anything else
about it.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
I thought we settled this.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
And he's also like, we're going to take care of
the hotel workers. It's you know, Stephen Miller speaking of
stuper Miller that his brain is exploding.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, because Millers, like, I guess he's torn there. He's like, hmmm,
slavery thought, we're really moving the Overton window.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Here, but he's like will they assimilate?
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Will the slaves assimilate?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Question?
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Well, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Owner responsibility, Like we literally did a war and we
settled this. You're not owning people in this country. We
don't do that. Yeah, I'm everything, everything is apparently up
for grabs.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
I think that's where I think the administration is. Often
it feels like a larp to me, Like if it
feels like they're not but he doesn't do half of
the stuff that he does.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
He does some ement and.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Then he doesn't see what Maybe they never fill this camp.
Let's hope.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
Honestly, not impossible that because they're saying they wanted to
house up to five thousand people, they want to keep
doing more of this. I don't know. I mean they
were doing this. This is actually a really good illustration
of the way I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Like they said they were going to use Guantanamo. Trump
said he was going to use actual.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Half they're using Guantanamo was like costing half a million
per detainee.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
There's like thirty people there.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Yeah, there's like thirty people. He said he was going
to send all these people to see Cotton. To be fair,
he sent three hundred people, but stopped after that, and
it's like, I think part of it is they're trying
to create this very like visual vivid so.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
People just leave, which is probably working to some.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Degree, probably to some degree, and then they don't go
all of the way, but it is it ends up
feeling like a big fascist Bukelli larp.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
I don't disagree with that at all.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Yeah, And also it's in immigrant communities. People are like
kids are told don't open the door for anybody. People
don't congregate outside afraid that if somebody, if somebody there
is undocumented and gets picked up, they're just gonna sweep
everybody up, even the citizens, which they're doing and you
know which they are doing off like in LA and
elsewhere anyway. Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
There is definitely always LARPing when it comes to Trump,
but sometimes the LARPing becomes reality.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Yeah, you talk it into existence, you never know.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
And that's where, Yes, I think one thing I disagree
with a lot of conservatives on is I think you
actually always have to take him seriously because sometimes you
don't usually know when he's serious and when he's he's joking,
So you can't be like, oh, it's Trump being Trump
in every circumstance, because then he goes and does stuff.
Let's talk about what he said yesterday regarding Zoron Mom Donnie.
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We are going to go ahead and roll the soot.
It is b six Trump being asked about Zoron mom Donni.
Speaker 16 (43:18):
Your blood New York City may well be led by
a communist soon, Zorhan Mundami, who in his nomination speech
said he will defy ICE and will not allow ICE
to arrest criminal aliens in New York City. Your message
to communist Zorhon Mundani.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Well, then we'll have to arrest him.
Speaker 13 (43:36):
Look, we don't need a communist in this country, but
if we have one, I'm going to be watching over
them very carefully.
Speaker 8 (43:42):
On behalf of the nation.
Speaker 13 (43:44):
We send him money, We send him all the things
that he needs to run a government. And by the way,
they get already they get about three times what you get.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
Ron.
Speaker 13 (43:53):
If you look at the per capita, Florida gets one
third of what New York gets in terms of the number.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
Is what do you give us those numbers? Yeah, well
that's what we should send him. Yeah.
Speaker 15 (44:03):
Well, sometimes people say Florida gets more because they count
social Security recipients but that's not money to the state.
Those are seniors that live here. If they moved to
North Carolina, you could count it there. So it has
no interaction with the state government. They get more in
the city and state governments than we get.
Speaker 13 (44:18):
Right substantially, We're going to be watching that very carefully,
and a lot of people are saying, he's here illegally.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
He's you know, we're going to look at everything.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
So here's B seven. This is how is our own mom.
Donnie responded, and I actually am curious what you make
of this. Ryan. I found his response to be quite interesting.
He says, the President of the US just threatened to
have me arrested, stripped of my citizenship, putting a detention camp,
and deported, not because I've broken any law, but because
I will refuse to let Ice terrorize our city. His
statements don't just represent an attack on our democracy, but
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an attempt to send a message to every New Yorker
who refuses to hide in the shadows. If you speak up,
they will come for you. We will not accept this intimidation.
And then he goes on to talk about Eric Adams.
Says Trump included praise for Eric Adams and his authoritarian
threats is unsurprising but highlights the urgency of bringing an
end to this matter's time in City Hall. Goes on
to talk about destroying the Social Safety Net, kicking millions
of New Yorkers off healthcare, and enriching the billionaire donors'
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expensive working families. The scandal that Eric Adams echoes this presence, division, distraction.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And hate. Ryan.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
The reason I found that statement interesting is he pivots
to the Social Safety Net and pivots to Eric Adams
kicking New Yorkers off health care ets are a billionaire donors. Yeah,
he pivots the class warfare essentially. And when Trump was
asked that question by Arry Maga Bennie Johnson, I think
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is in his own mind the strategy, not that he
wouldn't have said that anyway, but in the strategy, in
the question of strategy, what they're trying to do is
get Mom Donnie to talk about immigration as much as possible,
because as unpopular as the way Donald Trump's ice has
approached this is in a blue city like New York.
The immigration policies of the Biden administration and the way
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Eric Adams handled them at first was deeply unpopular, which
is why Eric Adams then pivoted. So, I think Republicans
see an opportunity to talk about immigration over and over again,
Mom Donnie and his statement pivoted that I thought was
pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Right, because I think that's right because as Bannon said, Mom,
Donnie's the first populist who has connected populism to affordability, yes,
which is a huge indictment of our political class across
the spectrum that this guy's the first one that's been
able to do it.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
And so a good point.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I think Trump and Bannon recognize that they're vulnerable to
him on that issue, and prices are going up, and
they just you know, your energy bills are going going
to be going up pretty soon thanks to.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
This big beautiful bill, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
And so yes, they think they're on better ground if
they can get him back to they want to be
back in like twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty, where they're fighting
Democrats on cultural issues. That's that's where Bannon and Trump
feel comfortable.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
And when Zoe run by the Way was tweeting things
about how defunding the police was liberation, which he doesn't
talk about.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Anymore, they like that, like that's that's where Trump wants
to be, like, he wants to bring that Democratic Party back,
force him into that. The problem for Trump is a
He's son's not really going to take.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
That bait, but b.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
The like the their issue of immigration Trump, Trump's losing
the public on his own issue by being so over
the top. Like if you look at the polling, yes, yes,
independents are now swinging again. People have very fluid views
about about immigration policy.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
But then he and Steven Miller are betting on being
the lesser of two evils, right that even if their
popularity dips DEM's popularity with things like sanctuary cities, for example,
which are massive poll factors.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
What he's letting him do is just is defend is
what was he letting like Zoron do is like defend
against like masked ICE agents just yeah, like scooping people
off the street, which the post like, yeah, what are
you doing?
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Yeah, this is not how we do things.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Yeah, with all these people now impersonating ICE agents across
the countries becoming like an actual legitimate, like crime problem,
it's like a safety issue what ICE is doing. And
so if you let them just say we're against Seacott
we're against alligator Alcatraz, we're against the masked agents doing
fascism on the streets. Then you don't force Democrats to
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grapple with their with their unpopular immigration policies.
Speaker 14 (48:27):
Right.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
And I think the Trump bet is that as long
as Mam Donnie is talking about immigration, then Trump and
Republicans and probably Eric Adams as well, it's an opportunity
for them to talk about sanctuosity. Sanctuousity.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, and for Mam Donnie, as long as Trump is
boosting Eric Adams and attacking Mam Donnie, Mam Donnie is
just growing in popularity in New York.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
That very well. Maybe the case the poll that came
out yesterday which showed it wasn't there a poll that
came out yesterday that showed him hypothetically being Cuomo. We
got the final margin yesterday as well, which was what
twelve point twelve point route of Andrew Guiomo. I'm unbelievable.
I thought they I thought a general election poll came
out yesterday showing if Culoma were won. Anyway, I'll look
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it up, but it wouldn't be surprising at all if
it were the case that Mom Donnie was winning.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
But the more.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Yeah, it's just the more that Eric Adams is associated
with Trump, right, or Cuomo with Trump right, or Mom
Donnie as the anti Trump, and it helps him right.
Speaker 6 (49:27):
Yes, And finally, did you see Ryan this apology from
Kirsten Gilabris, So we give it this last element up
on the screen. I'm reading from Politico here, Kristian Jilbrand
apologizes are on Mom Donnie a Monday after she falsely
claimed in a radio interview that the presumptive Democratic nominee
for mayor of New York City had made quote references
to global jihad. The junior senator at mayoral Cadets spoke
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by phone Monday, and there was a redoubt of the
call that Jillibrand's team gave to Politico that said jill
Brand apologized for mischaracterizing Mom Donnie's record.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
And for her tone on the call.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
This is in reference to a Brian Lair segment where
a caller asked jilib Bran about Holy Mom Donnie to
account for quote glorifying Hamas and Ryan. This was like
the Brian Lair segment heard round the left.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
This it's crazy everywhere. Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
I mean, it was bonkers go list to it.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
She sounds completely unhinged, and she just and Brian Lair
gives her like three or four like opportunities to like
correct herself and to like add in a little bit
of complexity or humility or uncertainty about the situation. She's like, no,
absolutely not, and at one point accuses him of wanting
to wage global jihad yes, which actually goes to Zorn's point.
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The reason he said in that initial interview where he
gave this long, like nuanced answer about why he wouldn't
condemn the phrase globalizing anti fought it so basically because
you're asking me to condemn a phrase that to some
Arabic speakers or to all Arabic speakers means, you know,
globalize the resistance. And you can't ask an Arabic speaker
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to condemn the word resistance like just because some people
don't like it. It would be like saying that the
Trump administration whenever they arrest a Palestinian, a pro Palestine protester,
they tweet out shalom. So therefore, when pro Palestine people
hear the word shalom, they get in their feelings about
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this assault on their dignity and their liberty, So therefore
nobody should say shalom anymore, same logic.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
But it's absurd. No shalom, that's not what it's like.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
I mean like Trump is misusing the phrase, but that
doesn't mean that nobody else can say it. And Jilibran
then makes his point that the whole argument is racist
by confusing jihad and antifada because she doesn't matter. To her,
it's just scary sounding Arabic words, and so the entire
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political class, the media, all the Sunday shows, everyone tried
to get him to condemn this phrase. He wouldn't, and
Jillibrand winds up being the one that apologizes. That's I
don't know, it's too much to say it's a watershed moment,
but it's it's definitely a data point.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
They're gonna have to bend the knee. They are slowly
but truly realizing it.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Even Kathy Hockle told Jillibrand like, there's no room for
this racism in our state. If you lost Kathy Hokel,
that's probably when she was like, Okay, I.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Need to apologize.
Speaker 6 (52:37):
Speaking of unlikable and unpopular governors, let's pivot to Gavin Newsom, Ryan,
that was.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Really so mean.
Speaker 6 (52:45):
It was such a it was slowing e frut. We
were talking about Kathy Okle. It just made sense to
talk about Gavin Newsom right after that. So Gavin Newsom
is now taking aim at the California Environmental Quality Act,
which if you've read Abundance, if you followed Ezra Clin's work,
that is a sort of fixation as there's been writing
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about it for a matter of years. And Gavin Newsom,
how the press conference yesterday. Let's take a look at
his nod to the abundance community in this clip to.
Speaker 7 (53:19):
The Nimby movement that's now being replaced by the Yimbi movement.
Go Yimbi's thank you for your abundant mindset. It's a
plug to Ezra and it really is about abundance and
to the movement that they represent, which I think was
reflected in the comments made a moment ago about getting
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big stuff done.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Okay, we can put the tear sheet on the screen.
Speaker 6 (53:47):
You heard him there say he appreciates to the Ymbie
community the abundant mindset. They are rolling back that landmark
quote environmental law quote landmark environmental law as The New
York Times puts it. Cline has written Ryan pretty extensively
for a long time. As we mentioned earlier about the
California Environmental Quality Act, that's sort of become a symbol,
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not just you know, obviously they are substantive complaints, but
it's become kind of a symbol of what abundance, the
sort of abundance world is trying to change about Blue
state governance. This is how Klein put it in an otbed.
I want to say, this was like a year ago quote.
Laws like the California Environmental Quality Act have been used
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to block countless harmful projects. A faster, more streamline process
can make it easier to build solar farms and rail systems,
but streamline lightning could also make it easier to build
infrastructure that communities have reason to oppose. So what's going
on with us? Ryan?
Speaker 5 (54:48):
Well?
Speaker 4 (54:49):
And so Ezra tells a story in his book about
the creation of this law being quite a quiet affair,
like it's now understood as this landmark law, but it
was not actually, and this is the case for a
lot of laws. They passed quietly, nobody really knows what's
going on, and then only later do they take on
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some significant importance. And this one took on importance because
the California Supreme Court interpreted in a way that the
original authors of it did not intend, which gave it
enormous amounts of teeth. And then yeah, so you did
then have a lot of communities and other people that
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wanted to block projects, able to hire lawyers and gum
things up, and so you know, it's I think there
is some nuance to this because I think, on the
one hand, the political power of billionaires and incumbent kind
of monopolies and power centers are the thing that is
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their power that blocks a lot of these projects, and
their power if it is unchecked, and what should be
a democratic society is going to find different vehicles for
it to be exercised. Just like you know, water running downhill,
it's going to find a way to get there. And
right now it's find sequa. You get rid of sequa.
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But you don't check the power of billionaires. It's not
going to solve the problem.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
Does on the other maybe it's a maybe maybe you.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Packed a little bit of dirt there for a while,
and maybe it does move the flow of the water
in a productive direction for a little, while it doesn't
solve the underlying problem, which is that we're not a democracy.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
But yeah, maybe it gets some projects going. It might like.
I don't want to say that it.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
Won't because it's like, but my point is, unless you
restructure the political economy, these people are going to continue
to mess with you and come up, come everything up.
Speaker 6 (56:54):
No question about that. I think actually that Ezra would
agree with that point, don't you.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I think he might show him on. Yeh, I think
he might. I think the centrist groups and the pro
corporate groups that have basically adopted all of the messaging,
they would not like that, but Ezra might. Yeah, come on,
we've got to get him back on and see if
he does agree with that.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Big win for abundance.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
It's I mean, yeah, you get, you get name checked,
your book gets name checked at the signing of the
repeal of this major law.
Speaker 5 (57:20):
I mean it's as we're getting results.
Speaker 6 (57:22):
Yeah, it were there a month co author, that's right,
within months of the book coming out.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
Yeah, so I think it had a I think it
played a role definitely because here Newsom said that he
would not sign the budget unless they included this with it.
So this was not like a standalone thing that the
legislature wanted to pass news and demanded it through this process.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Let's talk about Israel.
Speaker 6 (57:46):
Ryan, move on here to a post from Piers Morgan.
This is D one. We can put it on the
screen saying huge, great work, President Real Donald Trump. Because
Trump posted a true social yesterday saying, my representative has
had a long and productive meeting with the Israelis today
on Gaza. Israel has agreed to the necessary conditions to
finalize the sixty day ceasefire, during which time we will
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work with all parties to end the war. The Kataris
and Egyptians, who have worked very hard to help bring peace,
will deliver this final proposal. I hope for the good
of the Middle East that Hamas takes this deal, because
it will not get better, it will only get worse.
Thank you for your attention to this matter, Ryan, he
signs when he signs the posts, we thank you for
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your attention to this matter. Just it gives me any time,
every time, even in these awful, awful news cycles, which
is what we're talking about here, Because some way, somehow,
this is D two. It's a vo we can start rolling.
This is getting worse. The situation in Gaza is.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Getting worse, right, Yeah, And you know, every time you
check the drop side Twitter feed almost seems like you're
gonna see another report of twenty five thirty forty five
eighty Palestinians killed in the latest strike or attack at
an aid center. This was shot by one of our reporters, Yeah, in.
Speaker 5 (59:09):
In Gaza and as you as you could see there, it's.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
This absolutely beautiful seaside cafe which is very popular among
journalists because because it has Wi Fi and it is
very very All you have to do is look at
it to see that obviously this would not be anywhere
that a militant. You're not building you just I mean
just physically, you can't build a tunnel right next to
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the beach like that. You can see the beach from
the cafe. This is a place where journalists go and
then families too, of.
Speaker 6 (59:42):
Course, and it is known for being a place for.
Speaker 4 (59:46):
Right and there was a and this is about a
month after they struck a Thai restaurant in Gaza City
that was also known before its Wi Fi, but also
just culturally it became known as like a place where
all the journalists hung out, and they struck that direct.
Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Killing, you know, multiple journalists both both times.
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
In that case you saw the results, more than twenty
people killed, and and and they go on and on
the anyway, there's there's more to that, but you can
you can read about it in the story or don't
need to burden people with it here. But it's it's
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just an absolutely ongoing genocide. It's it's it's unbelievable that
this continues to go on.
Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
So how serious is this ceasefire?
Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
The Israelis finally are now There was a long pause
between Trump posting that he had gotten their agreement to
a cease fire, very very long pause, and the Israeli's
coming out and saying that there's some optimism around it.
They didn't even go all the way and confirm it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
Kind of like when.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
These long pauses can be disturbing, like when Peter Duth
that or Brass Douth that's like should humanity survive?
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
It's like Peter Thiel's.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Like, well, I mean the beds, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
So they're now saying okay, So it's clearly some pressures
being applied and they're saying, okay, maybe we're going to
get there.
Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
H Hamas is saying.
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
You know that they're open as always to any deal
that leads to an end to the war.
Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Like that's that has long been their position.
Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
And they and they have said that we will we
will turn over authority in Gaza some somebody else, not
these Raelies, like they have to withdraw, but they will
turn over authority to somebody else. And you know that
they we could have this deal by now, all the
hostages could be out by now, because the deal that
was reached in January was in phases, and the phase
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one went off effectively, and then as phase two was
supposed to start and that you know, unilaterally broke it.
And so the only now at the end of July,
the Knesset goes out of session until the fall. So
there's some thinking that nen Yah, who wanted to wage
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war all the way up until the Knesse went out
of session, then be pressured into the ceasefire. And then
he can't lose his government because even if smotridgrom ben
Giver quit at that point, there's no Kannesse to overthrow.
Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
And also there was a.
Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
There was a vote to you know, oust him, and
you can't have a second vote within six months. So
he actually should be fine, like he could take this
and his government shouldn't fall apart at least for six
months or so. Meanwhile, Trump's been trying to get the
judges to drop these corruption charges against nya Who, thinking
that like that might be some obstacle to Nen Yaho
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getting a deal because if then yaw who feels this
gun to his head that if he loses his power
he's going to jail, then he will just continue the
genocide and definitely just to stay out of.
Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Jail and drop said had a report on the cafe attack.
This is D three.
Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Yeah, but you can put u D three and this
is yeah, check this or not all. This piece also
includes lots of details about the ongoing negotiations.
Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Yeah, and in the meantime Ryan D four. This is
from huff Posts. A couple of interesting developments out of
the Pentagon. Yes, well I shouldn't say out of the Pentagon,
but out of the Trump foreign policy. So I think
this was what Patriot missiles. They're halting some shipments of
air defense missiles Ukraine amid concerns that it's own stock
polsive such applies have declined too much, official said, according.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
To huff Post and Bridge.
Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
Colby was getting tons of heat from hawks on X
yesterday who were saying this is just shameful, people like
David French, absolutely shameful. I don't think Bridge has said
anything yet. He's Under Secretary for Defense, but he The argument,
according to his defenders on X, and it is a
(01:04:01):
very legitimate argument, by the way, is that the United
States's supply is running low for our own defense. Dan
Caldwell had a good post that I'm pulling up right
now about all of this. It's just like incredible that
you can be treated yet. So Dan says the choice
was either this was this either prioritize equipping our own
(01:04:22):
troops with ammunition in short supply and which was used
to defend US troops last week, or provide them to
a country with their limited US interests. So does David
support supplying Ukraine over our own troops, he asked, in
response to David French saying terrible. Halting patriots in particular
is viral vile.
Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Yeah, David French and these others want to live in
a world of no limits, right, I would love that'd
be great.
Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
I mean, not necessarily for everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Abundance times.
Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Yeah, it's got the environmental rules out of the way,
and you can and you'll just have endless amounts of
shells and Patriot missiles and all the other things.
Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Is that you Yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
You can wage war basically anywhere you want all the
time and shoot as many rockets off as you want,
and you will never run out.
Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
That is the world that David French would like to
live in. It's not the world that we live in.
Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
We instead have just been emptying all of our warehouses,
putting them on planes, flying them to Ukraine and Israel
for whatever they're doing over there. And yeah, now we're
running low right, and like who you're gonna get mad
at like physics?
Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Math?
Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Like rather, you're you're not mad at yourself for exhausting
all of your supplies?
Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Yeah, killing how many people? Good lord?
Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I mean if you combine the number of people killed
in Gaza and the number of people killed in Ukraine Russia,
like you haven't killed enough people.
Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Yet, And.
Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
You're sad and you're and you're upset that you exhausted
all your supplies, killing many of thousands of people, maybe
over a million, for what like how like it's it's
now twenty twenty five, doing this since twenty twenty two.
Is the world better today because we killed those million people?
Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Well, here is a connection between what we were just
talking about Gaza and Ukraine. And we're gonna get to
Syria in a moment as well. So that's one of
the other interesting developments out of the Trump foreign policy
just in the last couple of days. But when the
Ukraine war broke out, correct me if I'm wrong, Ryan,
but I believe Israel did not send weapons pers Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
We were request we were back like we were asking
them to and and Zignski was begging them to like
send us some of these patriots and look at these
poor people and keep getting attacked, like send the missiles, help,
help help, and the whole world is standing with Ukraine,
and it was like, no, think so well have enough.
Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
In a sense, they're recognizing they have not an infinite
supply of patriot missiles.
Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Yeah, right, and they cost the armous amount of money.
Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, oh incredibly, and then we.
Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Make like ninety a year or whatever the dams or
whatever they are.
Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
Yeah. Actually, there's probably an abundance argument for the price
of patriot missiles being wildly high because of it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Yeah, and it's probably actually more of a strategic argument,
because if you can't get the costs of those down,
you can't win a war of attrition. This was a
twelve day war with Iran and they were basically out.
Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Yeah, so okay, so your whole strategy is you're going
to win every war in twelve days. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
Okay, good luck, And let's talk about Syria fair bit
as well, because n I don't know if you've caught
this Reuter's report. This is the next tear street that
we can put on the screen. Insanely horrifying report. And
you know, always have to be skeptical of journalism in
the region. I guess there's maybe one broad way to
put it, but.
Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
It's this is a very chaotic place though that the
journalism actually is actually more doable because people are freer
to speak than they would have been under Yes, you know,
you have to obviously take everything with the grain of salt,
but what was it.
Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Also you have to be careful with the claims of
competing you know, like sometimes literally tribal factions and all
of that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
But this this.
Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
Report is incredibly well detailed. What Reuter said basically was
put together names of like fifteen hundred people that were
slaughtered by No, they make a connection to the government forces.
People can dispute that, but the Router's report is that
with knowledge, complicity, and probably direction from the new administration.
(01:08:39):
The Trump administration meanwhile, has just lifted sanctions on the
new government.
Speaker 8 (01:08:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Yeah, and particularly on the guys who are singled out
for these massacres.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Right, but I don't know, Well, so here you go
on to.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Yeah, So the backstory here is in March there was
there what there were some moves by the regime remnants
to try to reassert authority in certain areas they had
become and mas has been on the show talking about
this aside wasn't his forces were not totally routed. Some
(01:09:17):
of the regime elements became like gangs that controlled particular
areas and were still involved in like the capta gun
drug trade, and and we're going to hold on to
these territories. And actually, you know, in some respects depending
on how you can that they still do. And so
there was some sense that they were making a move
to kind of actually take back power because Jolani's hold
(01:09:40):
on power and is extremely tenuous, Like you know, he
swept in with like you know, a couple hundred, couple
thousand guys on like pick up trucks and motorbikes trying
to hold a massive country. And how much he actually
controls Theria is exaggerated, like there's like from you know,
(01:10:02):
Mas there. It has been you know, several weeks since
he was there. But he was saying like it's from
suburb to suburb, Like there's different like controlling authorities with
various levels of allegiance or rivalry with the quote unquote
central government. Uh So, he's kind of he's sort of
he's he's like a fake it till you make it leader.
(01:10:23):
He acts like one, but you can't really do much
in the way of direction.
Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Uh So, these although the sanctions are now lifted after
he had apparently good meeting with.
Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Trump, that's the make it part. Yeah, yeah, so he
might end up.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Making put that suit on until you get those sanctions list.
Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
And so these two guys, I don't have my laptop.
I think one of them's one of them's nomageaz Abu Baker.
Another is like is it Hamza. These guys are directly
tied to Turkey. These are but you know Turkey has
it was, you know, sponsors the entire thing, but like
they have they they directly sponsor particular factions and this
(01:11:04):
this masker was carried out by this faction that was
directly sponsored and takes direct orders from from Turkey and
so yeah, these were these were this is out and
it became like a complete masker that roped in many
many civilians.
Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
Like the Reuters story starts with a man's heart being
literally cut out of his chest and placed on top
of his body.
Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
Yeah, medieval. It was a dark dark several days.
Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
And and then interestingly, it was quote unquote central government
that's sent in sent in troops quote unquote because we're
we're watching state formation take place. So I'm putting all
these things in quotes to tamp this down. And then
you had Israel come in and like bomb the DRUS
or whatever and like a totally bizarre way, So what
(01:11:54):
are you doing, Like why are you attacking the drus
or like this stop like not not helpful here. And
so this center Gum did put a stop to it
after this like extreme level of violence, like absolutely horrifying
level of violence.
Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
And then.
Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
So now Trump has lifted all these sanctions across the board,
which is a separate policy from specifically lifting sanctions on
these two guys who are known to be or understood
to be like the main culprits who are tight with
air to one, So that that feels like that was
that was an air to one ask, because like you
(01:12:35):
can you could lift sanctions on Syria and say, all right,
you know you want to do reconstruction, that's fine. You know,
energy infrastructure, it's fine, like tele telecoms, American companies can
work there. We're lifting all of those sanctions. But these
butchers who carried out this massacre, they're still sanctioned.
Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Those are different kinds of sanctions. You could do. To
lift those is a choice. Then I'd be curious. Hopefully
we'll get some reporting.
Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Like what role air Towan played, like why and why
the Trump administration was like yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Well, yeah, especially because Israel was not in favor of
the United States lifting all of the sanctions. Uh Jilani
now goes by Al Shara says that they want to
start talks over a deal with Israel potentially.
Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
But it shows you can be like former al Qaeda, Yeah,
and as long as you're cool Israel.
Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
It's inspiring. Really, anybody can make it.
Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Anybody can make it, just one condition, one condition, all right, Well,
and they can still bomb you whenever they want, like
Israel continues to just bomb Syria at will.
Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Like I said, just a true heartwarming story. It is
of yes, of redemption and peace. Maybe someday, let's talk
about this CNN threat from Donald Trump. The latest CNN
threat from Donald Trump, and also parrot with Breaking News.
This happened actually not long before we came into the
(01:14:11):
studio that CBS, which has a pending merger, which by
the way, is with a company owned by Larry Ellison's son,
run by Larry Ellison's son. Larry Ellison is obviously an
Oracle founder, very close with the Trump administration. Pending merger
between Skydance and CBS. CBS settled for the exact same
(01:14:32):
amount of money that ABC settled the Trump suit over,
and that was a much more serious lawsuit, by the way,
because ABC had actually missed reported information about Trump's liability
in I think it was the e Gene Carrol case.
Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Sixteen million dollar.
Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
Settlement for CBS, that's a small price to pay to
potentially get their merger through and we'll talk about that
in a second. Let's before we circle back around that,
play this point that Trump made, or play this clip
that Trump made about potentially prosecuting CNN over its coverage
of the Iran bombing.
Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
This is e one.
Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
CNN yesterday worked an app that lets you trap where
ICE agents.
Speaker 11 (01:15:16):
Are saying, perhaps.
Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
Actually prosecuted that.
Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
Yeah, we're working with the Department Justice.
Speaker 9 (01:15:26):
We can't prosecute that because what they're doing is actively
encouraging people to avoid or activities operations, and we're gonna
actually go after them and prosecute them.
Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
FAMI, because what they're doing is.
Speaker 11 (01:15:42):
A legal and.
Speaker 12 (01:15:51):
Literated do you.
Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
The homes that we hit the target? So it made
me very.
Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
Well, oh boy, Ryan, we were talking about this earlier
in the show. Were served debaated it earlier in the
show about fascism and Trump's seriousness about fascism or not
serious about fascism, because I tend to think a lot
of it is a larp, not all of it. ICE
agents pulling remeisa Oz Turk off the street over an
(01:16:25):
anti Israel bed is a good example of them very
much not LARPing and making good on their their sort
of flirtation with authoritarianism. This how serious do we think
this is? I don't think this one serious.
Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
I guess I don't know. I think.
Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
I think what presidents say matters. So it is a
direct intimidation of the press to threaten to put them
in jail for reporting something that they don't like. We
also speak of a mos over at drop site. We
have a piece today at drop Site which is an
interview with a I Ronnie and nuclear scientists saying, yeah,
they didn't actually like according to his information, that moved
(01:17:06):
a bunch of stuff and like the fourdah was not,
you know, totally destroyed like Trump is saying, which matches
with what the intel is that's been leaked so far.
Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
And so are they gonna prosecute us to like you
just thinking like.
Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
They're intimidated by this thing?
Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Yeah, we published good point, so yeah, I guess not
afraid of that. The funniest part to me remains Trump's
fixation on the feelings of the pilots' they were so
brave and they were so proud of what they did.
Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Do you think that works that the public?
Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Don't you think a public hears that?
Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
And They're like, yeah, no, because these are fighter pilots,
not nine year olds playing soccer. They don't need a
participation trophy like it mattered, Like yeah, like sorry, we
keep score.
Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
Like we're not doing this thing. We're like, what was
the score?
Speaker 8 (01:18:04):
Dad?
Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
We don't keep scoring. It doesn't matter if the ball
went in the net or missed the net. Like that's
the American approach to it.
Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I mean feel like we're doing war.
Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
It matters if the ball goes in the net. Did
you hit the.
Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
Target or not, it's not it. I'm sorry that your
feelings are hurt if you missed it.
Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
Well per usual, Well you just did. Everyone gets a trophy.
Got to get rid of that mentality.
Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Actually get a trophy just for pressing the button on
your bomb.
Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
It's got to actually hit the target.
Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
The media, I feel like it actually was pretty celebratory
about they were the media love about military action.
Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
And also I'm happy to pretend that the nuclear program
was absolutely annihilated.
Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Let's just say no need for any more war.
Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
The beautiful pilots courageously struck all of their targets, especially
the ones way underneath the mountain.
Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
It's completely obliterated, and nothing was moved.
Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Either nothing was moved, and we need no more war
and give them all a trophy, give them like four
foot tall trophies that they need.
Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
They need like both hands to carry them home.
Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
Just to continue the point about whether this is actually
intimidating or not. As I recover from the double handed
trophy illustration.
Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
How do you take a selfie like you don't want
to drop your trophy?
Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
And you can't pop the ship pain if you have
two hands on a trophy or take it so.
Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
Maybe a little smaller, some dignified.
Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Yeah, it could be a beautiful metals books.
Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
I participated in the twelve day war.
Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
Okay, recover it the seriousness of the threat. A great
example of this is the CBS lawsuit that was just
settled at the recommendation of share Redstone because they want
to get the sky Dance merger through.
Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
This was not a serious lawsuit. I was reading through
the lawsuit this morning.
Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
Actually, what I was waiting to pick Ryan up stctioneer
in DC. It refers to like Kamala, not miss Harris
Senator vice president Harris Kamala throughout it sites like bright
bart articles. It wasn't a serious lawsuit, and it just
speaks to the fact that CBS was not at all
intimidated that they were going to be found in violation.
Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
They won an Emmy for that interview.
Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
By the way, I will say they deceptively edited the
Kamala Harris interview. Every network does that every single day.
That what they aired on Face the Nation was different
than what they aired on Sixty Minutes, and I think
it was materially different. I think you got a different
version of the answer, a significantly different version of the answer.
She was being Kamala Harris was being pressed on Gaza, basically,
(01:20:45):
on Israel and whether the Biden administration was being taken
seriously by the Nets and Yahoo basically.
Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
And they aired a very different version of it on
both shows. And that speaks to the power.
Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Of the media. Everyone kind of knows that the media
is doing that. This was a good example of it.
It is not, and it should not be something that
you can actually be found liable of defamation whatever by
a politician for doing it's wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Can you imagine though, if the president was set that
everybody who doesn't give full context to a clip of
an interview, Yeah, it has to pay seventeen million dollars
to Trump seriously, like, how many Twitter accounts are out
there clipping like twenty five seconds of an interview where
Trump feel like, you know, the whole two and a
(01:21:30):
half minutes gives a slightly different context, So that'll be
seventeen million dollars or you don't get your merger, Yeah,
you don't get This is not about what it's about.
Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
What it's actually about is this merger he's doing.
Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
It is a way to give money directly to the
president so that he will sign off on a corporate
merger that's worth much more than seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
Right, And CBS is not admitting wrongdoing in the settlement.
It is money that is going to his presidential library.
Do you think was the same thing in the ABC
case both sixteen million dollars settlements. I think when ABC settled,
people who at the time were worried about the president
that they set by settling are being vindicated because Trump
has realized that he can essentially extort money for his
(01:22:12):
presidential library. If that's what is going on behind the
scenes of this, it looks like Redstone saw that and
realized that you can sort of come to the table
and look like you're making a deal with the administration
in a way that actually grant's favor with the president.
Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
And we'll see what happens with their merger.
Speaker 6 (01:22:35):
I mean, that's a the other tin cups. Zuckerberg tried
to do that. Zuckerberg tried to do that with the
FTC and it did not work. Zuckerberg tried to give
a ton of money to Donald Trump into the Inaugural
Fund and all of that, and the FTC is continuing
in its suit.
Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
It's metasuit.
Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Yeah, the other tin cup that they put out, And
I wonder if you've heard this around town, and so
people should look to see whether or not ABC or
CBS end up becoming like investors in Millennia's documentary.
Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Like Amazon, Like that's.
Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
The word around town. Another way that you need to another.
Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Basically, it's a coin operated and you have to find
the different buckets. And one of the buckets you're supposed
to put coins into is this Millennia documentary. We'll see
if it ever gets made, but you can imagine how
the scheme would work that the thing will, you know,
raise a billion dollars in investment capital and then it'll
make one hundred million, and you'll go back to the
(01:23:30):
investors and be like, real shame that investment didn't pan out. Well,
you got your merger.
Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
You don't even know how much it makes though, because
it's going to be on Prime, So it's not like
there are tickets.
Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Right and then Prime can like overpay them for it.
Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Yeah. So as dumb as the CBS editing was, it's
also just like we're I don't even think Trump would
deny this. We're in roy Cone territory once again.
Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Oh yes, yeah, he's loving it.
Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
Yeah, all right, Well, thanks everyone for sticking with us
on this wild travel twenty four hour period. As we
made our way into the studio, Ryan doing a literal planes, trains,
an automobile journey from Miami to Washington.
Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Also, the show would have been on time if this
were in China, Like it took like it took like
three and a half hours in the end to get
from Richmond to DC. It's a thirty minute train ride
in China.
Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
Yeah. The Richmond, the Richmond leg of your trip was
especially egregious. I had was.
Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Supposed to start at four fifty two am, didn't start
till six oh five.
Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
I didn't get in until nine, and here you are.
Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
I had two delayed flights and one canceled flight yesterday.
It was trying to get back. Was also wild, but
not quite as wild as yours was. Stick around for
the ask me anything. If you are a premium subscriber,
If you aren't a premium subscriber, Breaking points dot com
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(01:25:01):
us are back here tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
That's right. We will be an easy one that's coming
from inside the city.
Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yeah, compared and will be very easy.
Speaker 8 (01:25:10):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
We will see you back here tomorrow. Everyone,
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