7/28/25: Bibi Denies Gaza Starvation, Liberals Flip On Israel, Rogan Rejects Bibi Interview

Krystal and Saagar discuss Bibi denies Gaza starvation, liberals flip on Gaza starvation in last minute, Rogan rejected Bibi interview.

 

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Have an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Indeed, we do some horrifying updates coming out of Gaza
and some new comments from President Trump as well as
Bibnet Nyaho, who is lying about the fact that Palestinians
are starving to death. He is denying that, so we'll
get into all of that. We also have a weird
moment happening culturally that's worth examining, where all of a sudden,
a lot of people who either had been silent or
had been relentless promoters of the Israeli side suddenly came

(01:01):
in with some concerns about the fact that babies are
literally starving to death before our eyes talked about everybody
from Barry Weiss to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, so wanted
to take a look at some of those voices and
try to figure out what exactly is going on there.
Also have some news out of the podcast world. Apparently
net Naho had approached Joe Rogan about going on his podcast,

(01:22):
and Rogan had the sense to be like, you know,
I think I'm good there. That is according at least
in Netna Who's son.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yes, so is Miami residence done?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
By the way, why does he live here? Does anyone
tell me that let's get some deportations going in.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, We've got a couple other little updates for you
from theo Von and Tim Dillon out of the podcast
world too. We're also continuing to focus on Epstein because
Trump is continuing to focus on Epstein. We have potential
for Gleayne Maxwell pardon apparently, so we've gone from release
the files to release the Pedophile Groomer like that, and
the MAGA is buying it. Apparently Alex Jones is on board.

(01:57):
You've got Charlie Kirk, You've got NEWSMAC I believe saying
perhaps she's the real victim Zager in all of this.
So incredible things happening there. We'll dive into all of that.
And at the same time, Democrats are reaching their lowest
approval rating on record. So just you know, just praising
glory spread all around between.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
These two parties. Yes, their incredible political system.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I don't even know what to say about that. It
is actually kind of fascinating. So if you're an insurgent,
it is a good time for you. Thank you everybody
who's been signing up breakingpoints dot com. But don't want
to get too much in the spiel. We've got some
horrifying stuff if we do have to get Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Indeed, so, as I mentioned, Trump on his trip to
Scotland made some comments about what is going on in
Gaza as we've all watched these horrifying images and the
numbers tick up every day of mostly children and babies
who are literally being starved to death by the Israeli blockade,
of course supported.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
By the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
But Trump says, actually, we've got it wrong and we
should all be thanking him for the aid that we've
sent in.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Let's take a listen. Should Israel be doing more to
allow food into Gaza?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
It's sure, but you know, you really at least want
to have somebody say thank you. No other country gave anything.
We gave sixty million dollars two weeks ago for food
for Gaza, and nobody acknowledged it. Nobody talks about it.
And it makes you feel a little bad when you
do that, and you know you have other countries not

(03:17):
giving anything, and nobody said you, thank you very much,
and it would be nice to have at least to
thank you. And I took a lot of heat. You
know when I do that, A lot of people aren't
happy about that because they say, well, why are we
doing it and nobody else? But I think we had
a humanitarian reason for doing it. Will I do more aid? Yeah,
the US. The US is going to do more aid

(03:38):
for Gaza, but we'd like to have other countries participate.
We're going to mention that to the European Union today.
You know, that's an international problem. It's not a US problem.
It's an international problem.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
And we're giving a lot of money and a.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Lot of food, a lot of everything. If we were there,
I think people would have starved. Frankly, they would have.
And it's not like they're eating well, but a lot
of that food is getting stolen by stolen by Hamas.
You know, they're stealing the food, They're stealing a lot
of things. You ship it in and they steal it.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
So that's a lie.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
In fact, Israeli military officials, we can jump ahead and
put this up on the screen. We've got a New
York Times article here, a eight that we can put
up on the screen. Israeli military official saying, you know what, Actually,
there's no evidence that Hamas is routinely stealing NAID. The
international organizations that have been on the ground have long
been saying there's no evidence of this whatsoever. So that's

(04:35):
number one, that's a lie. Number two, he says, if
we weren't there, people would have starved. No, people are starving.
People are starving. At least one hundred have starved, and
the vast majority of those have come in just the
past number of days, overwhelming somewhere around the eighty count
our babies and children, because of course they are the
ones who are most vulnerable in this situation. So no,

(04:57):
people are starving, babies and children are still right now
and Sager he also says that this is not a
US problem. This is an international problem. Oh really, it's
not a US problem. Why are we the ones that
are supporting this then? Why are we shipping these bombs?
Why are we backstopping them diplomatically? Why are we the

(05:17):
number one country in the world both in terms of
arms and aid and diplomatic support for Israel? No, no,
this is a US problem. And just like the last guy,
if you wanted to stop this, you could stop it
today with a phone call.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, there's two people who are well, two countries that
are most responsible for this. One is obviously Israel, who,
as we're about to show you, even this decision to
humanity and has some sort of quote humanitarian pause and
to reinstitute the AID is causing consternation inside of Israel
at the horrific idea that they may actually allow AID
to enter the country, and it is primarily, of course,
their responsibility.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
At the end of the day, they have blockaded AID
basically from the first day of the war.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
They stopped cut off electricity, water except what was at
October seventeenth or something like that, you know, barely even
days into the war. But on Trump himself, there's now
a growing idea of like Israel has to do something differently.
You and I were talking about this before. What else
could they possibly do? At this point, there's like this
theory in the United States that Israel, you know, absent
the dropping of a literal nuclear weapon, which I guess

(06:20):
at this point I wouldn't even put past them. Is like,
what have they not if they it's not like they
care about human life and the Gaza strip, Like if
they wanted to fully invade and to go quote save
all the hostages, they would. It's pretty obvious that they
just can't do it. They don't have the military capacity.
Second is you know this idea that they haven't gone
full on enough with bombing. Take a look, like it's

(06:40):
all on video. You could literally take the drone. I
was just looking yesterday at this but one city up
the before and after it's it's gone.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I saw Lindsay Graham on television and being like, they're
going to do to Gaza what they did to Berlin
and Tokyo. It's already over. It's already, Tokyo, the fire
bombing has happened. You know what I'm saying, You know,
in the starvation and all that is just a downstream
consequence actually of their own policy. And of course you're
right on the humanitarian front. From the US perspective, it's
not even just the bombs and all of that, because
I'm not even necessarily convinced that that would stop everything.

(07:09):
It's the entire diplomatic cover of the empire. I mean,
even this morning, the Secretary or the Ambassador to Israel,
Mike Huckabee is doing the like starvation and star investigation
is what they're calling it now, being like actually, this
one child featured on the cover of the New York
Times had muscular dystrophe and he didn't that's part of
why he looks so, you know, skeletal.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
It's like, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Ooh, what we're we're trying to parse like which particular
child is like worthy of saying is starving?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Right? You know, It's like, okay, let's pick the other.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Muscular dystrophe, so it's fine for the star where.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's like, oh, actually skeleton because he has a muscular
distrophee and that was secondary to it's like, hold on
a second, Okay, people who are muscultars are probably more
vulnerable to starvation just guess you know, personally. But secondary
it's like, fine, pick ninety nine other examples, you know,
pick there were six starve literally yesterday, right, so we
can go when we can quote cherry pick all of those.
That's what they're accusing people of. They're basically saying, it's

(08:06):
like some international press operation to scam people into thinking
that people are starving.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's not. It's the reality.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
And of course it's the humanitarian situation from the UN.
But at the very beginning, we have seen that anytime
the president wants to pick up the phone and forces
really action, they can do it. When they bomb the
Catholic church, Trump calls them up and it's like, hey, apologize,
now I need this investor like this needs to be done.
Hours later, Bebe comes out. So that's part of the
problem is that we've seen time and time again Biden

(08:36):
and Trump when they want to compel a difference in action,
they can, but they don't. And there is something like
deeply sick about this because from the very beginning, and
this is where I think all of a sudden need
to be honest here about Israeli society. This is popular
blocking the aid. They don't have a problem with it
by and large. In fact, they're most politically activated members

(08:57):
of their society are the people who are bringing their
kids to stop aid from flowing into Gaza. Some of
their most popular politicians are saying that this is a
quote humanitarian disaster because it's allowing people to eat, and
got like, that's what we're dealing with here, and yeah,
I think we should all just ask a pretty fundamental question,
you know, absence of like what you know, military action

(09:19):
or whatever, and be like, why are we supporting this?
That's it, just why? You know, we can add morally,
you can ask strategically. I would say it stategically has
been a disaster. I mean, look at the entire world.
Even compare the merely mouthed politicians of the European Union,
the French and you know, who're like, we're going to
recognize the Palestinian state. Okay, fine, you know the British
Prime Minister in the UK. I literally can't think of

(09:41):
a single other NATO nation G seven economy that has
not put out a statement at least being like Hey,
the starvation in Gaza is a disaster and then needs
to come to an end. There's only one country that hasn't.
It's the United States. So it's pretty clear here, you know,
not only of responsibility, but it's really about the cover
diplomatically where you know, we'll talk about this article from Axios,

(10:02):
but Bbe has literally openly acknowledged in Israeli cabinet meetings
that he understands that Erzerol only exists because of the
United States.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Fine, then we should start acting like it.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
We should act like that to every country, Ukraine and
everybody else who is a client state of ours. So yeah,
we have obvious, massive responsibility for it from the beginning.
I mean, it's not just a Trump problem, obvious a
continuation here.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
They are our client state.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
They are doing all the things that they do, including
you know, bombing Run and Lebanon and Syria and whatever.
They do these things so with no impunity, because they
know that we will protect them from the consequences. That's
how they are able to act in this insane way,
in this insanely like, brutal and outrageous and rogue way.
It's because we backstop all of their actions. Including the

(10:46):
intentional starvation of this population. I mean, it doesn't take
a rocket scientist to figure out when you don't allow
aid in in any significant quantities for months and months,
guess what people are not going to eat.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
They are going to starve.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
And they have had an intentional policy also destroying farms
and greenhouses and any ability for palestin needs to be
able to create food and grow food for themselves. So
it's you know, a total and complete siege at this point.
And with infants, you know, mothers are too malnourished to
be able to produce milky, so the infants are reliant

(11:20):
on formula, and there's no formula. There's no formula allowed in.
So what do you think is going to happen here?
Not to mention, you have doctors at hospitals who are
passing out because they are so weak and malnourished at
this point. As well, you have the journalists who have
been able to be on the ground, they also are
being starved to death. And by the way, all this
you know, I mean obviously here on this program were

(11:41):
long passing that they give a shit about the hostage.
I'm talking about this Reelly government, whatsoever the hostages are
also being starved right now, by the way, so yeah, congratulations,
But we've long known the hostage They don't.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Care about the hostages. They don't care about that at all.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
That's just been a piece of like propaganda and emotional
blackmail for the world and for their own population. We
have a new nat Yahoo English statement out about how
there's of course there's no starvation in Gaza, but Israel
is going to make sure that they do whatever they
can for the Palestine population.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
This is a two B. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
There is no starvation in Gaza, no policy of starvation
in Gaza. And I assure you that we have a
commitment to achieve our war goals, will continue to fight
that we achieve the release of our hostages and the
destruction of Hamas's military and governing capabilities. They shall be

(12:34):
there no more. We shall not have any more of
these massacres. We shall not have any more of these monstrosities.
We stand for human freedom and human life, and that
is not commensurate with Hamas or with Iran other Iranian proxies.
We fought this battle together, we shall win it together.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Imagine being Benjamin Natnyaho and saying stand for human freedom
and human life, like what a sick joke, and then
just lying in our oh, there is no starvation in Gaza.
I mean, what a bunch of disgusting bullshit.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
And then just.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Listen to the other members of his own government. So
we can put up Ben Gavier here on the screen,
who is mad that net Yahoo might let any aid
into the Gaza Strip. He says, I think at this
stage the only thing you should be sending to Gaza
is shells to bomb, conquer and encourage emigration, and that's
ethnic lensing and win the war. This is not some random,

(13:35):
nobody fringed character. This is an official Israeli government minister,
a part of the net Nyahu government. So for net
Yahou to come out and pretend like, you know, we
can't hear what they're saying, like we can't hit the
translate button on Hebrew and see that there has been
an intentional starvation policy. It has been ongoing, it has

(13:58):
been accelerated in the past number of months, and that
the ultimate goal here is to go along with effectively
President Trump, you know, has greenlit this plan to force
the population out of the Gaza Strip entirely, so to
bomb and kill and murder and massacre even those who
are seeking aid, and to create conditions that are so

(14:22):
absolutely horrific that you pressure people to flee the Gaza
Strip all together.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
And you know, it's what was it? Wikoff said, it's a.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Demolition zone, you know, in him and in Trump's like
real estate brains, they look at this and they're like,
let's just clean out all this rubble. Let's cleanse quote
unquote the Palestinians out and rebuild from scratch. And that
is the plan. It's not that there's no day after plan.
I know people have been saying that for a long time. No, no, no,
there that is the plan, and that is the starvation

(14:53):
policy is part and parcel of the overall goal of
getting rid of everyone out of the Gaza Strip.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, at this point, I don't think it's even really deniable,
because we have that reports from Axios that the head
of Mosad and others came to the United States and
we're like, hey, you need lets everybody think about this.
You the United States of America need to put diplomatic
pressure on every other government in the world so that
they will accept Palestindians. So they're like you need to

(15:21):
use your pressure of the empire to facilitate our ethnic
cleansing of the entire Gaza strip. And also, this is
why it's just so frustrating, you know, even talking about
this here in America, because everybody's hamming and hawing over
whether the starvation picture you know, is real or not,
or as to whether starvation itself is there, and what the.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Overall end goals of the war are.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
They say this shit out loud. They has said it
from the beginning. They want to get rid of all
of them. To the extent that there's any US policy here,
it's mostly been to facilitate that and then obfuscate it
at a major diplomatic level. And I think, you know,
let's put a five I've please up on the screen.
There is something I think visceral for everybody, anybody who's

(16:04):
really watching the conflict right now, who are quote this
day they say Trump Team three thinks their Gaza strategy
after six months of failure. But really, I think what
it comes down to is that what I would there's
probably two sides of this, and based on my own insight,
this is what I could say. One is the side
there's like, oh man, these people will never stop because
you had Iran. And then even after the solution, they're furious,

(16:27):
right because they want to keep going. You had Syria.
They didn't want to stop. We had to call them
and we're like, this is over, it's not happening it.
We'll call the Madman strategy. How many ceasefire negotiations others
have we now participated in?

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Now?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Listen, they come out and they blame Hamas, But yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I mean, by the way, Jeremy Skayhill over drop site,
he has the full document that Hamas presented.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Go read it for yourself. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I'm sure somebody Zionist or whatever is going to clip
that and all that. You can literally read the document.
It has not been disputed as to what they want.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Sorry, just about it.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Not to mention there was a ceasefire agreed to that Israel,
with the US's backing and support, blew up because they
didn't remember they're supposed to go to phase two and
they from the beginning were like, we're not going to
phase two, and then they did it. And the only thing,
and remember we talked about this, the only thing that
could have forced them to go to Phase two was
the Trump administration saying, no, you are not going to

(17:21):
undermine our ceasefire deal. But they did, and you know,
they broadcast they were going to do that, and then
they did it.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
So there was a ceasefire.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Deal in place that Hamas agreed to and the Israelis
agreed to, and they undermined it and destroyed it.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, exactly, And looks I mean, at the end of
the day, what these really say this, They're like, we
cannot agree to this because the Hamas proposal has us
withdrawing from Gaza.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
That is not an acceptable solution. So what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
They have an indefinite presence in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria probably
iron soon. Let's all look at it. The thing is
is that we're also seeing this growing thing from the
Trump administration where they seem to leave like let's put
a six please up on the screen. What they seem
to believe is that if they can continue their diplomatic

(18:07):
cover around this quote starvation, they can still find a
way to militarily deal with this. They have not been
able to militarily deal with this for what fifteen months.
It's became clear within the first three months of the war.
What I'm in is a pro Israeli journalists. Israeli journalists
here reports behind net NaN's decision over humanitarian aid. The
foreign minister and the ambassador in Washington warned of a

(18:28):
total diplomatic collapse even in the United States if Israel
does not demonstrate a change in this situation in Gaza.
What I have been able to surmise now so far
is that their belief is that if they feed them,
you know, in the interim, let's say, over the next
two weeks, and then ramp up the military campaign, that
they can quote find some sort of solution. There is
no military solution now at this point. They have bombed

(18:50):
and leveled the entire place their troops have occupied. I
mean not the entire place, but a big portion of it.
If they could get the hostile, they would have done it.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
They don't care about the hostages obviously, so we can
put that to the side. But even accepting that within
the current framework there is no military solution, maybe the
United States could do it if we, you know, again,
with a tactical nuclear weapon. In terms of what their
own their own goals are, I don't even think is
like I said, I wouldn't put it past them alone.
I don't know if America would necessarily allow that a

(19:24):
cease fire of some kind really is the only solution,
and yet they refuse to do it. They absolutely refuse
to accept the condition of being able to indefinitely occupy
and expel as many.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
People as they want.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
They effectively want a West bankanization, you know, not even
even more so in the Gaza strip. And they're saying
all this stuff out loud. So I really don't know
where we go from here. I mean, I guess it's
good that we've you know, there's been some diplomatic break,
and I think it is visceral watching people starve because.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
There's no cover here.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
There's no like, oh, we were trying to hit Humas
and there was collateral damage, right, there's no acceptable secondary solution.
I think it's you know, look, it's a good thing,
you know, ultimately that they did break in terms of this.
But first of all, you know, we've been covering this
for two years and it's not like this is the
first time there's been starvation, aid hold up and all that.
That's been happening basically for fell last fifteen sixteen months.

(20:22):
But from this point forward, it's a dark place because
this is just a pause. The ceasefire is not happening.
America has no energy for ceasefire. The political organs of Washington.
As long as people continue to eat, and what I
mean by that is like not have starvation, they're going
to continue to back the war.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
It's going to go on forever.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
There is no political constituency inside of Israel that actually
seeks a ceasefire or a diplomatic solution.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, so what is you know, what's next?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, not to mention that, you know, there's there's claims
that they're going to let more aid in.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Believe that when you see it.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, believe that when you see it, because it's very
like that they just I mean, so far there are
no reports of you know, increased aid reaching the population
on the ground. And they've done these we can put
these this air drop image up on the screen. This
is a ten you know, they've allowed in some of
these air drops, which is just another you know, they

(21:16):
did this a little bit under the Biden administration. We
covered it then like this is just like a PR stunt,
and then you can see the absolute chaos. I mean,
these people are starving it at they're desperate, they're trying
to get whatever they can to like, you know, save
themselves and their family, and so of course it's just,
you know, absolute disaster. There have been injuries with this,
and the amount of food that's getting in is absolutely paltry.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
So thus far there has not been.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Any significant increase in aid and you certainly would not
put it past them or you know, the Trump administration
running cover for them to say, to do some show
of you know, we're letting the air drops in and
here's a few more trucks, but not really change the
situation on the ground. And make no mistake about it,
the situation is incredibly dire.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
The very latest update we have is.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
That there have been fourteen more cases of death by
starvation over just the last twenty four hours. So that's
the pace, you know, the pace of starvation death is escalating.
That brings to one hundred and forty seven confirmed starvation deaths,
most of them again occurring over the past several weeks,
and that includes eighty eight kids who have been starved

(22:25):
to death.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
And it takes effort.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
It takes like a concerted plan, and a famine is
not just something that randomly happens, especially not one where
the entire one hundred percent of the population in the
Gaza Strip is impacted by this. They are in the
fifth the worst stage of famine at this point, where
there will be even if they did flood the zone
with aid, at this point, where there will be dire consequences,

(22:47):
including continued deaths for some period of time, and there
will be irreversible health damage to many of the you know,
two million roughly people who are in the Gaza Strip
because of the level of malnutrition. I mean kids who
are you know, trying to develop and grow, and I
mean you just you can't even imagine it, like you
truly cannot imagine it. And one other thing from that
Axios report that we had up before that, I just

(23:09):
want to really underscore a note for you guys, is
they report in there that Trump has given net Nyahu
a free hand to do whatever he wants. That's exactly
what they say, from military operations to hostage negotiations and
the distribution of humanitarian aid. What White House officials say,
Trump is genuinely disturbed by the killing of Palestinians and
wants the war to end. He has applied virtually no

(23:29):
pressure on net Nyahu to end it in the last
few months. In most calls and meetings, Trump told Bbe quote,
do what you have to.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Do in Gaza.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
In some cases he even encouraged net NYAHUO to go
harder on Hamas. And there was another clip of Trump
from a few days ago where he said, Israel needs.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
To finish the job.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean, that's that's where he's been so, I mean
any sort of concern he has, like who cares whether
you're bothered by the images or not if you're not
willing to do anything in order to stop it. And yes,
you have plenty of power to stop it. A couple
more things here to get to. Let's put a seven
up on the screen, just to underscore the point Sager

(24:09):
was making about how sick Israeli society.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is at this point.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
This is on Israeli channel fourteen, and this is you know,
this commentator who is mocking a mother whose child died
of starvation. And they're saying, oh, well, she looks like
this is not a starving woman. No, this woman who
may have eaten all of her child's food.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I can't think of any other option. A woman, who
ate a whole goat, who ate the girl herself. That's
what they're saying about this mom whose four year old
daughter died of starvation imposed by Israel.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
That's what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And you know, listen, it's so sick and twisted you
hate to even address it.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
But guys, guess what. Children are the most vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Their little bodies are trying to grow, they take more nutrients,
they have fewer ye fat stores to draw when they're
little kids, so of course they're the most vulnerable to
starvation and to it's just it's just absolutely sick and
twisted the things that you see coming out of this society,
which is in a you know, buy and large, and
there are exceptions, but there is a genocidal fervor that

(25:17):
has taken hold of this society. They are fully on board,
buy and large, on board with blocking aid. They are
buy and large on board with completely complete ethnic cleansing.
According to the polls, you know, close to a majority
of Israeli Jews are on board with an absolute, you know,
complete and total genocide of the Palestinian population. And those
are the voices that are represented and very powerful within

(25:40):
this government. So we can't fool ourselves about what is
going on within that society. And last one here, let's
put a nine up on the screen because this is
important too in terms of some of the lies and
the fraud that has been spun. So the Israelis have
been trying and their propagandas have been trying to spin
this idea that it's the UN's.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Fault that their start.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well, there's not starvation, but if there is starvation, it's
the UN's fault.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Bull shit.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Look at this.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
The IDF, according to an Israeli channel, again Israeli report,
they destroyed one thousand trucks worth of AID and buried
that aid rather than provide it to Palestinians. This is
our friend, child than fram who says this occurred two
months ago, resulting in the current hunger crisis and gaza.
The same source says the IDF is about to destroy
more aid. Don't let anyone tell you the hunger is

(26:24):
not intentional. This is a deliberate Israeli policy. And in fact,
the UN had brought in trucks back, you know, a
week or so ago, and that the you know, palstings
who are desperate swarmed the trucks and then the IDF
shot at both Polsing's and those aid workers. So if

(26:45):
you're the UN, if you're the UN, how can you
distribute aid? First of all, they're blocking the vast majority
of anything coming in, and then they're firing on aid workers.
And by the way, if you don't want to have
this chaotic situation, and you know, there's no proof whatsoever
that Hamas has been stealing the aid as they've been asserting,
But if that is truly your concern, the answer to

(27:06):
that soccer is actually to have a mass quantity of
aids so that food is not so you know, valuable
and so precious that there's plenty to go around, so
that the Gaza quote unquote Humanitarian Foundation they tweeted.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
In Gaza food is power.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, when you have nothing, then of course the scarce
supply whoever has that ends up with a lot of power.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
So if you're so.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Concerned that, oh it could be Hamasa benefits and that
that is even more of an argument to flood the
zone with aid, with food, with water, with fuel so
that people are not starving to death.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, the World Food Program says they have enough food
to feed every person in Gaza for the next three months.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
So you know, just let them do it.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Just just say do it. And the whole point is that,
I know this is difficult.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
The reason why that the UN was not quote distributing
it is because you said, not only the security situation,
but it's because these real and the Americans said, there's
only one way that you're allowed to do that, and
that's with the gods of Humanitarian Foundation. Yes, and they're like, well,
we're not going to partner with the gods of Humanitarian
Humanitarian Foundation because they're openly slaughter killing people whenever people

(28:14):
come for aid.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You're basically setting up a death trap.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, Palestinians massacred trying to seek aids shot and Humanitarian Foundation.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, maybe tomorrow we'll talk about a Green Beret, right,
who came out and it means unbelievable, right, And this
is a guy who served in multiple theaters in Iraq
and Afghanistan and is like, I have literally never witnessed
this level of carnage of war crimes by the IDF
and of the INN is the gunning down of.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
People who are coming for aid.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
He said that out loud, right, And so you can
see why as an international aid organization. You would not
want to both legitimize and actually partner with said thing,
because then your food would basically used as bait to
kill even more people. It's a horrific, horrific situation. As
I said, look, I think it's better obviously that you know,
some of the aid, you know, begins to come in.

(29:01):
But this is, in my opinion, probably the darkest part
of the entire war, because it is it shows the
full force of the propaganda machine in Israel, in America.
And also listen, guys, I mean, I know people think
it's a victory. Our ambassador is still denying that there's
any starvation, Our government is still allowing all this to happen.

(29:21):
The EU and the Brits and all these people. Yeah,
they'll put out a statement as long as some of
the aid continues to go in, like this is going
to continue now for quite some time.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
And I don't know, it's it's not good.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
It's just like.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't really see at this point any sort of
like slow anything less than total victory for their own
diplomatic part. I just saw some reporting from outside of Israel.
It's like bb wants to take the summer to basically,
you know, re engineer his rerise to power beat the

(29:54):
court case, and after that that's when the full on
like expulsion is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
That's their plan.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
At the same time, there's an interesting cultural moment that's
worth examining, where I think because of the images of
these emaciated babies who are dying from this blockade, I
think there's been some realization of how this is all
going to look in the history books. And so there's

(30:26):
some cya going on of everybody from Richie Torres, Barry Weiss,
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama who's been completely silent, suddenly feeling
like they we need to say something, like we need
to put something out. And many of these statements are
pathetic milk toast, buy into a bunch of the you know,

(30:48):
Israeli haspara propaganda. But something has happened that made all
of these people at once feel like, Okay, we need
to express some sort of sympathy for these babies that
are country along with Israel literally starving to death. So
here's Richie Torres, who is a particularly interesting case. Richie,
of course has taken some like roughly one point five

(31:09):
million dollars from Apak and the Israel lobby. He is
one of, if not Israel's staunchest defender in Congress. Seems
to focus much more on Israel foreign country than his
own district in the Bronx, which is the poorest congressional
district in the entire country. Even he felt the need
to separate himself in this interview with check Todd a

(31:31):
little bit from the Netnyahoo government. Let's go ahead and
take a listen to a little bit of that.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
But there's this feeling that it's become harder to criticize
net nyahou without somebody accusing that person of being anti Semitic, right,
and this is this, and there's angst in this in
the Jewish community, there'sks outside it. I'm guessing you probably
hear it yourself in your own district.

Speaker 8 (31:59):
Look, I love America, but I do not love my government.
And it is possible to support Israel as a country
while objecting to the Israeli government and.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
The idea that there should be a Jewish state and
not necessarily being in favor of what Bibi's doing.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Every country, including Israel, is fear gain for criticism if
you're a democrat, and if you're a Democratic color, and
if you're a black Democrat, you take immense pride in
Barack Obama. I mean, he represents just one of the
greatest achievements in politics. We take pride in his presidency,
and to see a foreign leader visibly disrespect him in

(32:40):
the manner that bb Netanya who did, I feel did
a reparable damage to the relationship with the Democratic Party.
I think there's a legitimate perception that the President Israeli
government is just aligned with the Republican Party.

Speaker 9 (32:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Richie Sagar, I think is a particularly special example because
Zora Mandani won his district congressional district quite overwhelmingly, and
so he has seen a little bit of the political
writing on the wall. I do think that this is
largely the Zoron effect, where he's realizing that he is
wildly on a step with the Democratic Party base, including
his own base in his district, and he has come

(33:18):
out swinging now in defense of Zoron and against the
Islamophobic attacks against him. You know, he has, you know,
put on other comments about the starvation, and then he
goes here and says this, which is very counter to
you know, the way he's voted in Congress, where he's
always there to vote for these definitions that can flate
anti Semitism and anti Zionism. So for him to come

(33:38):
out now, of course you can criticize the government of Israel.
Oh really, that's not the way that you've positioned yourself
up to this point. But I think with him in particular,
you know, I don't think it's the starvation images so
much as him reading the political writing on the wall
and fearing a primary challenge.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
In particular, Michael Blake, who endorsed.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Zoron in that primary, lives in that district and is
being encouraged and contemplating running in a primary against him,
and I think he would be vulnerable, so he is
desperately trying to reposition him.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, that's interesting there on Richie, he's trying to whitewash
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Really.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
What I think where we're kind of seeing though, is
like the starvation was the jump off point for a
lot of centrists to do this, But it kind of
reminds me of the liberal Zionist movement broadly about like, oh,
Tel Aviv, it's the most beautiful place. It has what
a gay pride parades, It's actually a pluralistic, you know,
incredible and free society, and like that is the Israel

(34:33):
you know that they kind of wanted to defend.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
But obviously over the last eighteen months, like there's been a.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Big I would say, a reviewing of what the country
you know, really is all about. And this is now
the way that they can criticize Israel, or they can
acknowledge facts about what's going on without undermining the aims
of the war itself and or the state and the
diplomatic cover. So for example, you know, here we have

(34:59):
former a Pack employee, Wolf Blitzer, who is now openly
acknowledging some of the reality here where if you'll recall,
you know, even e in the very early days of
the war, we had multiple clips here was openly defensive,
you know, of the IDF.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So let's take a listen.

Speaker 10 (35:15):
Dozens and dozens of humanitarian groups are warning that doctors, journalists,
aid workers are going hungry alongside what's going on in
Gaza right now. UNISEF says that what eighty percent, this
is UNISEF eighty percent of those who have died of
starvation are children in Gaza, and now the enclave is
on the brink of running out of specialized food that's

(35:39):
needed to save these kids. In order for people to
survive in Gaza, you need at least about fifteen hundred
truck trucks coming in every day with supplies.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
Are you holding a three month old baby who is
starving to death accountable for things that that baby did
not know?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'm holding home mons accountable.

Speaker 9 (35:57):
It's so important to remember that we are not talking
about talking points. We are talking about human beings, and
there are people who are starving, children who are starving
in Gaza today who had absolutely nothing to do with
what happened on October seventh. We are in the wealthiest
country of the world. Israel is our ally and our partner.
We have leverage here. The question is why aren't we

(36:18):
using that.

Speaker 11 (36:18):
Feel like other news organizations around the world, is prevented
by Israel from reporting inside Gaza and from seeing for
ourselves what is really going on, so we rely on
trusted freelancers in the territory.

Speaker 12 (36:32):
Mohammed and his mother, Heidaiah, were filmed by one of
the trusted Palestinian freelancers we work with in Gaza, who
are themselves starving. Israel does not allow international journalists to
enter the territory.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
So you can see even CNN has begun to turn.
Let's put B three up here on the screen. This is,
in my opinion, some of the most important crystal. This
is from the Free Press, which is ironically named. But
you can see that not even that long ago, in May,
they had a story called the quote the Gaza famine
myth how lazy journalism, bad data and skewed statistics fueled

(37:07):
accusations of war crimes against Israel. And then not even
what two months or so later, they had that guy
Ahmed Segal, who is himself a right wing Israeli journalist,
actually write a story say, quote, the price of flower
shows the hunger crisis in Gaza. There have been tremendous
lies about Israel's war. That doesn't mean the threat of
starvation isn't real. It is, and in fact, Ami really

(37:29):
is I think trying to get ahead of the entire situation.
He was even quoting people who were Israeli you know,
civilian or sorry, Israeli scholars who were warning about the
flower and the hunger crisis in Gaza.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
This is another one. This still takes them explaining.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
This is a guy named Yaya Rosenberg, who really, in
my opinion, embodies the like liberal Zionist movement, but broadly
he's like the anti semitism hatchet man. Like he's the
person who works for the Atlantic who's constantly concern trolling
around anti Semitism. And here he writes, quote my latest
how Trump opened the door to ethnic lens in Gaza.
He needs to close it and stop feeding the Israeli

(38:03):
rights fantasy of conquest or he will never achieve the
piece he claims to want.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Please read the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Quote Trump turned a far right fantasy ethnic cleansing and
Gaza into US policy. He needs to reject it. I mean, look,
it doesn't take a genius to say. Also, this is
not just a Trump policy. This has been a Biden
policy now as well. All of it has been underwritten
by America. If anything, Trump is the Trump administration is
just more open about allowing it to happen. But it's
like Ben Gevie and Baby have been saying this stun

(38:30):
since October of twenty twenty three. People in terms of
what you know, the actual goal of the entire war
is so you can see that people in the US
are trying to shift. But again I think that the
starvation is actually the axis point, so that that when
Israel buckles, which they did at least for now, they
can say, see, you know, they listen to us without
undermining any of the broader policy implications of the war,

(38:53):
or and more importantly, upsetting future funding to the State
of Israel, which they'll continue to call you antisemitic or whatever.
Of course you know, of course, so nothing is really changing.
In my opinion, this is all like a big cover operation,
like a limited hangout, I guess is the way.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
That you Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
And with regards to the free press, I even calling
them that. But Barry Wise's publication, their line is like, oh, well,
you know, it's so hard for Israelis or Israel supporters
to take these these you know, legitimate reports of starvation seriously,
because they've been crying wolf all along about however, we
was starving death and this was just a pack of lies.

(39:30):
That is all just complete and total bullshit. I mean again,
you had very days after October seventh, you had yoev
Goan announcing a complete siege and we're going to treat
them like human animals. And while there have been times
when war eight has been coming in. Yes, there have
been dire circumstances in the past, and even though the
majority of starvation deaths have come now, there were starvation
deaths by the way before. But they act like if

(39:52):
the whole population is not like dying today, then it's
not really a big deal. If you have people, a
large proportion of population going without food for days and
days at a time, So the risk has been very real.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
It takes a long time.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
It takes months and months of concerted effort to get
a We're talking about one hundred percent of the population
in famine conditions, in like the worst stage of famine
conditions right now, and that is something that we don't
see even in you know, some of the worst most
war torn places in other parts of the planet. In Gaza,
it is the worst. So, yes, all those warnings, all

(40:30):
of that concern all the way along, that has been
completely and totally justified and is vindicated, but horrifyingly vindicated
by the fact that we now have so many people
now you know, over a dozen people died just yesterday,
just in the last twenty four hours from starvation. It
actually takes you a long time to get to the
point where you literally die.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
From lack of food to eat.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
You got a bunch of politicians on the mostly these
are on the Democratic side that have decided, okay, we
better say something at this point. Can put this up
on the screen. Barack Obama, Oh that guy's still around.
He had this to say, says well, lasting resolution of
the crisis in Gaza must writ involve a turn of
all hostages cessation of Israel's military operations. These articles underscore

(41:17):
the immediate need for action to be taken to prevent
the travesty of innocent people dying a preventable starvation. So
there you go, very milk to oas not a lot
of blame attributed there. And he shared some New York
Times pieces that contained a bunch of Israeli hawspara. Let's
go ahead to the next one. I believe we've got
Corey Booker here.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
I mean, this.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Guy's typical like Bill Ackman length you post on Twitter.
But I'll just save you the trouble and tell you
that nowhere in this long screen does he mention the country.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
The word Israel's not in here at all.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
And Corey Booker is big APAC recipient and always carrying
the line for them, but he felt the need at
least to say something about what he describes accurately as
the catastrophic hunger and suffering of civilians, especially children, women, sick,
and elderly in Gaza. Let's go and put the next
one up on the screen, Hillary Clinton, she actually beat
Barack Obama to the punch. She says, eight organizations report

(42:09):
thousands of children in Gaza at risk of starvation, while
trucks are full of foods waiting across the border. Full
flow of humanitarian assistance must be restored immediately. Again, Israel
is not mentioned. I actually wonder if Obama didn't see
her post and be like shit, Hillary.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
Got in before me.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I better say something. I better say something. Put the
next one up on the screen. We've got Marjorie Taylor Green,
who says, I can unequivocally say what happened to innocent
people in Israel in October seventh was horrific, just as
I can unequivocally say that what has been happening to
innocent people and children in Gaza is horrific. The war
and humanitarian crisis must end. I mean, I sort of
hate calling it a humanitarian crisis because it makes it

(42:44):
sound like this just happened right, like this wasn't an
intentional Israeli a US policy to starve these people to death,
but that, in fact is exactly what is going on there.
And then finally we've got Amy Klobashar, who was just
recently pictured in that lovely photo op with wanted war
criminal Benjamin Nettna, who when he was here in Washington.

(43:06):
Now she gave a little heartfelt, voice quavering presentation on
the floor of the Senate about how acute mount nutrition
is rising. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed in recent
weeks while seeking food, most in the vicinity of Gaza
Humanitarian Foundation distribution sites and others on the roots of
eight Convoys. This is simply unacceptable. I think she may

(43:27):
have been one of the ones that signed onto Chris
van Holland is leading a new letter calling on us
to abandon, you know, stop using the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,
allow the UN to go about distributing aid. I think
she may have been one of the people who signed
on to that. But again, total change, total repositioning from
her as she now pretends to care about Palestinian life.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
They're all like that.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I mean, if you look at Corey Booker, he was
pictured with Yoev Galant like.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Not that long.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Oh, he was also in that Netnyahoo photo. He was
trying to hide behind someone else, but he was there.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, I'll give him pass.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I mean, she actually tried to cut all funding to Israel,
which apparently AOC is not even you know, willing to
sign on to. But you know, within the Republican framework,
that's about as good as you're going to get from
any politician.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
The truth is is that you know this.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
And so what I was warning about before, this is
basically like a way for these centrist pro Israel folks
to say, look, we pressured them, and they're good people.
They're allowing the aid in without undermining any of the war.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Goals aims itself.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
So to the extent that there's been any diplomatic pressure,
that's where it is. But you should also take it
as proof that when you want to, you can force
them to do anything.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I mean, you know, it only took a day for
them to buckle on the starvation and to actually allow something. Now, again,
I'm not claiming that's going to fix anything, but obviously
it's better than nothing, and it's you know, changing things
in the future, and so where things are right now
is I think again that they're trying to set the
ground so that the quote legitimate war aims you know,
don't get changed at all, and that's just going to

(44:59):
continue march forward. I guess it's a big question of
whether the democratic you know, apparatus itself will put up
with it.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
I think they will.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I just don't think there's any real evidence, you know,
outside of this right now that they're not going to
forcefully push back on the Republican side too. I mean,
the dollars are just going to keep flowing. There's at
least going to be another vote sometime in the next
six to six months to one year to continue more
aid you know, to Israel.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I guarantee you it's going to pass.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
But I mean, it's just more of a question about
it's more of a question about the political system where. Look,
if you look at the right and left wing polling
on this, outside of boomer evangelical Americans, the entire country
is against funding Israel now at this point, the entire country,
like probably super majorities effectively, especially by the way, if
they really knew what was going on, and if Fox

(45:44):
and you know, that's probably what the first honest segment
you've seen on CNN on Israel in like two years now.
Imagine if that was on Fox News or anywhere else.
I really, I genuinely believe everything would change if that
were to happen.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
But that's the power of the propaganda machine, it really is.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
And so that's where the political ground is kind of
being you know, pointed towards and everything is kind of
being used to just pressure them on this one point
without undermining the rest of the entire project.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, I think that the other the other fear is
that Hillary Obama, Corey Booker, Amy Klobushar Wolf Blitzer, Barry Weiss,
all these people that they are not stupid people. They
like us see exactly where this is going. You know,

(46:29):
we have reached this point of famine where some of
the death and destruction is irreversible and the plan to
completely you know, ethnically cleanse the population, like it's been
laid out in clear terms and is being implemented as
we speak. And so they can see the dark direction
that this is going in. And so this is there,

(46:51):
you know, this is so that two years from now
they can oh look, I made a statement.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Look I spoke out about this.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Don't let them get away with rewriting history like so
many of these I mean everybody that we just mentioned,
they all, they all enabled it, including Marjorie Taylor Green
by the way, he votes for the military aid for
Israel routinely, like, they all enabled this, and they should
never be forgiven for it.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Their little ass.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Covering milk toast bullshit statements are not anywhere close to
enough to make up for what has been done here.
And so I think they see I think that they
see the way that history will record this. I think
they see that this is going to get, if it's possible,
even darker and more disgusting, abhorrent, outrageous, like barbaric than

(47:36):
it was before. And so they want to put their
little look I sign on a tweet so that they
can pretend like they're still liberal do gooders even though
it's all complete and total bullshit.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah that's what Well said. All right, let's move on
to the podcast. Now A turned to the podcast environment.
Remember people made a big deal about it, but during
the twenty twenty four election, Well, let's check in on
how exactly that's viewing the topic of Israel. Well, we've
got some major news here from Benjamin Nettanna Who's son.
Let's go ahead and put it up there on the screen.
This is yeah, you're Netna, who again, by the way,

(48:08):
lives here in America.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Nobody in Miami.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, nobody's quite sure why he lives here. Apparently Ato
DeLay's wedding, which is such a tragedy over the war
in Gaza. He says, quote great wake up call for
conservatives to remember, Joe Rogan is not a Conservatives. He
gave a platform to every single neo Nazi, anti Semite
on this plant, but he refused to have my father.
This guy doesn't even speak English, why does he live here?

(48:32):
But he refused to have my father on his show
because he knows he doesn't stand a chance against him
and all those years of anti Semitic propaganda will go
to waste. So that is apparently some interesting news from
Bebe's own son that Rogan has refused to have on
Benjamin Netanyahu. But it does fit I think with the

(48:54):
turn in which you know the quote podcast space has
really come around on Israel. We could go here to
the next one, theo von who just tweeted quote, mister
at potis JD Vance, Bernie Sanders, are ok Junior, Thomas Massey,
Rocanna THEO please have me on to allow to educate
you on who is the power here in this situation.
But he says, can we mister blah blah blah, can

(49:16):
we please get aid into Gaza?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Now? Children are starving to death. We are America.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
This isn't about politics, this is about humanity. Exactly three
people in who are tagged there have actual power with
the President J. D.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Vance and Robert Kennedy Junior.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
The rest are, unfortunately either members of the US Senate
and or backbenching congressman who listen.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
They're great. I have no nothing against that any of
those folks.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
But it's not like Rocanna and Thomas Massy can even
force a vote on the Epstein files. Yea, let alone
get humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
The truth is there's only one person that listens who
has any power. Potus Jadie Vance doesn't have any power. Really,
arek Junior?

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, he's still over there struggling to get dies out
of serial in two years from now or whatever and
using HHS to go after the scourge of anti semitism
and accusing Bernie Sanders of blood lebel So he's got his.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Hands full, right, So there's that.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
But actually what is interesting even more is the extent
to wish THEO and now Tim Dillon and others have
really taken their platform, I think, to the next level
and calling out the situation. For example, here is THEO
he is recently, I think he was in an airport
stop by TMZ.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 13 (50:24):
My things would be like what, like why we're being
supportive of the genocide in God's Like, why are we
helping with that?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Like I don't.

Speaker 13 (50:34):
I think it's making a lot of people feel really
scared that it's like hurting our feelings, like why are
we supporting that? And then why wouldn't we come to
the rescue of the people over there? Oh the Epstein thing. Yeah,
it's like people. I think people just don't believe that
the government works for the people anymore. And it's really

(50:55):
just like and maybe it never has right, it felt
like it was supposed to really feel like America first,
And I don't know if people are feeling that. I
think people are feeling more nervous. I think there's a
deal with Palenteer for like a surveillance state. I feel
like there's people in power that know where we're headed that.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Aren't telling us interesting, very interesting indeed. And then here
we have Tim Dillon reacting to the Milk Boys interview.
But actually, more importantly it was just the direct call
to cut off all aids Israel.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 14 (51:25):
Earlier this week, thirty year old teenagers than Elk Boys
received a massive amount of backlash for their interview with
Benjamin at Yahoo. We should absolutely cut off funding Israel.
Immediately cut off funding, oh the one hundred percent. I
don't know why that's even.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Controversial, So you could see, I mean, you know, cutting
off aid to Israel.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Immediately calling out the Milk Boys, I do.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Think can we call them milkmen?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
The milkmen? I like that, you know, you're right.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I know, I app because that was something that pissed
me on too. Is they're still like infantilized, like they
infantilize themselves. And then I feel like everybody else infantalize.
You are thirty years old, like at least have the
sense that Rogan had to be like, no, I'm not
having you on and the thing that Rogan that Nataniahu's
son said about like, oh, he knows.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
He can't go up against my dad.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I mean it may be true, Like it certainly was
true that the noolkmen were not prepared to deal with
and unpack all of the layers of hasbara because they haven't.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Been studying it.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Clearly they didn't spend any time studying it before they
had him on.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
If you recognize, like, you know what, I'm not really
equipped for that good.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
That's great. You don't have to do that. And so
if he at least had.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
That realization, you're like, you know what, I'm not really
the person to do this. I don't think anything good
is going to come out of this. Yes, you don't
have to say yes to these interviews. And like the
entitlement of thinking that you just this pisces me off too.
There's such an entitlement of some of these figures of like, oh, well,
they should have.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Me on their plan.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
They wouldn't let me come on their platform. It's like, no,
it's their plot. They get to have on and not
have on whoever they want, including your you know, war
criminal father.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
You know the funny thing I found with this yaiyere
in Nata Nyaho's situation and others, is that they gave
the game away to clearly in the actual Nelk interview itself,
because the Nelk interview you literally had Bbie say we're
here to reach the young people of America, right, and

(53:23):
then you had the fallout and the NELK guys were like, yeah,
the White House tried to set it up. So obviously
Israel and the White House tried to work together to
reach out to all of these podcasters.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
By the way, if you reach out to.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
You and you denied it and you don't want or
if you don't want to say it publicly, reach out
to me and.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I will leak it for you, Okay, happily will.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
But my point is just like I'm curious to see
who else that they tried, you know, to get onto
their platform and what the Israeli government kind of views
as its problem. But I do think it is also
clear of like some sort of vibe shift that Rogan
himself is like, no, I'm not having you on, and
I think there's a reason for it, which is not
you know, let's say this is Eve ahead of the
NELT conversation You're like, ah, you know, it's not even

(54:03):
just being equipped, you know, to sit there and to challenge.
There is an actual debate here around how to force
net and Yahoo where look, even in a be a
Brett Bearer interview on Fox, I'm not saying he isn't
lying and all that there's still at least some level
of rigor. And there's a reason that even Beebie only
agrees mostly to journalists interviews here in Washington. They're not

(54:26):
that well equipped. He never sits down for interviews in Israel.
Never for any of these people, you know, the equivalent,
you know, the Israeli Left, or any sort of critical
interview where they would destroy him if they had the
ability to even sit with him for ten or fifteen minutes.
He does them in English and these coshy things and
makes it so, you know, he's a very skilled communicator,
obviously in English, and what he wants to do is

(54:48):
kind of try to use our media to broadly, you know,
impact the US population, to keep them as pro Israel,
to keep the dollars that are flowing towards him. I
do think that there is a growing recognition because you
I saw this the last time BB was in town
after it is only his second time in Washington when
he met with Tim Poole and all of those other
guys behind the scenes, like they have a sense that

(55:11):
the Internet and all of that is turning against them.
Their belief is that they need to basically use these
people as useful idiots. But there is also a growing
recognition because of the democratic pressure, like small d against
all of you know on the internet. Go just take
a look not even comments, sections, views, videos, et cetera,
of people who are critical of the government versus the

(55:31):
people who are not. I would say, you know, it's
pretty ninety ten in terms of the issue. You can
see then that this's obviously indicative of how a large
especially the younger population of America, really feels about it.
Maybe tomorrow will cover this Turning Point USA focus group.
It is like you could put it in a lab
in terms of look, even with turning pointing all of

(55:51):
them trying to keep it as pro Israel as possible,
there was stuff in there where you're like, wow, like
this is not good for the future of Israel and
the Republican Party obviously. See on the Democratic Party, you know,
things are moving rapidly.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I think out over the last two years.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Yeah, well, and to your point about the like, Okay,
if you're going to do an interview with someone, you
always want to go in with like, Okay, what is
my goal in this interview? What do I want to
accomplish here? Or do I want to persuade this person
of something? Do I want to expose something? Do I
want to just make them look bad?

Speaker 6 (56:19):
Like?

Speaker 4 (56:19):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
And you know, like the interview Tucker did with the
Iranian president or the interviews that Skahill does with Hamas
or whatever are super useful because those perspectives are not
presented in Western media at all.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
So just to get okay, what how are.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
They like, what is their propaganda, what is their view
of the world, what are they selling to their constituents? Yeah,
just that is valuable in those settings. We know what
Netanyahu is selling the butt We get it all day long,
So you have to ask yourself, Okay, what is the
value of getting this, you know, propaganda line that we
all could basically recite chapter and verse one more time

(57:00):
from Netanyahu himself. And so the only reason really to
have him on, in my opinion, is just to relentlessly
and aggressively try to expose him as the monster effectively
that he is.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Like that's basically and.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
So if you aren't prepared or equipped to do that,
which you know in the podcast like we're just having
conversations mode is not going to happen, then there is
no value in hearing for the one millionth time what
the Israeli propaganda line is. Because you can read it
in the New York Times, you can see it on
you know, hear it on CNN, you can hear it
on Fox News, you can see at.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
The Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Americans are very well acquainted with what the Israeli hospar
is ultimately going to be, so it has an interview
with him just sort of inherently has very limited value
for that reason.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Especially in that way, you know, in terms of the
NLK way of Also, yeah, I mean it's just so ridiculous,
like when the biggest pushback or whatever that you have
is on Burger King and on McDonald's. Like what I
find more interesting about it is that you know, if
you take this demographic, we're not going to say it's maga,
We're going to say it's like largely male, generally younger

(58:09):
skewed more right wing in the twenty twenty four election,
a lot of former Bernie bros. And if you see
that energy as politically important, which I do, I still
remain and believe that it is. Well, we can say
then that it's pretty clear that things are breaking dramatically
against the state of Israel, against BB now specifically, and
to try to track that in the future for their

(58:31):
ability to effectively try to communicate to the America, because
as long as you know this free look, we have
the CNN, the free press, Twitter and all that, they
have an ironclad hold on the elite. But the rest
of the population, in my opinion, is really not putting
up with it anymore, including a lot of the Democrats,
despite them having a lot of trust in the media.
That is the breakage for what the future I think

(58:52):
will look like for them, and they should be afraid, honestly,
because if they do accomplish their goals, which honestly I
think they will, I do. I just don't see a
way to stop them. Like in terms of our political system,
I'm not saying I would. I would love to stop it.
If we could, I would cut them off literally tomorrow.
I would have done it, you know, October seventeenth or whatever.
But nobody wants to do it. Nobody has any stomach,

(59:12):
you know, for putting up with any of this stuff,
and after that happens, like, I don't see a way
for them to actually re engineer the current status quo
in terms of our politics.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I wouldn't put it past them, you know, there's very
skilled political manipulators, but I could. I'm not quite sure
they could ever do it again.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, And you know, if the Democratic Party weren't themselves
complicit and leadership basically on board with the same project
that you know, Trump was on board with, as evidenced
by what happened under the Biden administration. I think it's
a bit undersold how much this issue could actually turn
things around for them and win back young you know,
some of the young men in particular who have left them.

(59:51):
And I think Zorn's a perfect example of this. Like, yes,
Orn ran a great campaign that was focused on New
Yorkers and affordability, et cetera. But I actually think a
key part of his appeal and the reason why he
was able to transform the electorate in New York City
in a way that leftists have always dreamed and seldom
been able to actually pull off. But he actually did it,
and he gets you know, like Andrew Schultz's was amenable

(01:00:14):
to him.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Joe Rogan was impressed with him, like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
The podcast Yeah, the podcast Universe was like, Okay, you know,
I may not agree with everything, but like, I see
where you're coming from. This issue is becoming such a
clear dividing line. And I've been saying it in the
Democratic parties of it, but I really think it's becoming
a clear American dividing line because it's a question, you know,
if you're sort of like more right populist inclined, is

(01:00:40):
a question of well, what's your priority? Why are you
talking about this foreign country not focused here? If you
are you know, more on the like sort of liberal,
if you care about seeing babies starve to death with
your tax dollars, for example, Obviously it's a moral atrocity.
It's a moral line. And then it also signals are
you willing to stand up against powerful entrench interests. Are

(01:01:00):
you willing to be independent? Are you willing to go
against the trend? When you're getting called an anti semi
and you're being smeared and your own party won't even
endorse you or have anything to do with you, Like,
do you have the backbone to stand up against that?
And so, you know, if Democrats had any soul or intelligence,
they would realize that this issue, as much as they

(01:01:23):
want to dismiss it as sort of a sideshow, it
actually is becoming a central dividing line in American politics.
And certainly it is a massive, glaring gulf. And we'll
talk more about this in the DEM's block between Democratic
leadership and where the base of the Democratic Party is.
And I think there are going to be many Democrats
who crash into the rocks of trying to hold on

(01:01:43):
to their apax support and losing the entire Democratic base
in the process.