The team breaks down the post Slotkin interview mania, Kamala appearing on Colbert to say she's not running for CA Gov, and Dr. Sleemi joins from her work in a Gaza hospital to update on the conditions of starvation in the Strip.
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Hey guys, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good girl show, Let's go, Let's go, Queen talk about
the boys. It was a big week over at Breaking Points.
I would say, yeah, we call some waves this week.
I don't think there's any doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Oh No, all the way to Colbert Waves, all the
way to Colbert.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
True. Yeah, where it really counts.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You know, it really happens unless Stephen Colbert talks about it.
As the saying goes the biz.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. That's why he's being
canceled because he's over the target.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Emily, that's right, that's right, well, so true, queen.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So yeah, we had the big Alyssa Slotkin interview this week,
I think perhaps even more significant, even though that got
like crazy, you know, attention, and I think kind of
forced her hand on this boat with Bernie Sanders will
talk more about that. We also had the interview yesterday
with the GHF whistleblower, former green Beret, which was just extraordinary.
You know, here's a man who served nine combat tours
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rack Afghanistan, like has seen everything in war that you
would think that you could see. And I'm watching this
grown man shake and tear up as he describes what
is being done to human beings, not only by the Israelis,
by the way, this is important point, by American mercenaries
sent there, you know, with our taxpayer dollars, although actually
(02:00):
the funding of GHF is very sketchy. And yeah, I
really I hope people watch that interview because for someone
who has so much credibility in terms of serving theaters
of war, you know, just retired as a Green Beret,
to be that horrified and shocked to his core by
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what our country is doing in Gaza. I think it
really to me a really sense of message, you know,
I hope that people are paying attention to People.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Are definitely paying attention. That interview has gone viral in
just less than twenty four hours, so it was great
stuff from you guys.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So we've got a lot to get to this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
There are new tariffs, there's new jobs numbers, we've got
new reaction to the Slotkin interview. We have a doctor
who's actually just back from Gaza to talk to us.
And I don't know if you guys know this, every
time we talk to someone who is either on the
ground in Gaza or just came back from Gaza, typically
in a specifically medical professional. I don't know why the
(03:03):
segments get nuked, They just get completely crushed in the algorithm.
But it's so important to hear the voices of doctors
who have been there on the ground, and you know,
to hear their words of what they're specifically seeing right now.
And we've also got Kamala Harris coming out potentially again
another Colbert another Colbert special here potentially positioning ourselves to
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run for president. So lots of things to talk about
this morning.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Oh you forgot that we also have access to Jade
Vance's playlists apparently on Spotify, So.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I buried the lead. Sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That was really everything that we That's what we're really
covering today. The rest is a pretense to get you
to stick around to hear about Jady Vance's playlist.
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Up Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, what should we start with? Guys?
What do we got here? Griffin?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, I'm trying to you know, enjoy my Stephen Colbert community.
But then all the comments have been over a run.
I don't know if you check this. Alyssa slot can
interview here, but I was here just to say ghostlot
can gold Colbert like raw raw rah. But the comments
here are are confusing me because every single one of
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them seems to be about Breaking Points.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
We don't acceptable.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
We don't really like to you know, analyze comments sections.
We know that they can you know, uh, not be
fully representative of a reaction and and be maybe uh
but we didn't tell anyone to do this, Okay, we
didn't tell anyone to go brigade the Stephen Colbert YouTube channel, and.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We wouldn't because that is a sacred space. That is
a sacred space.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Maybe we're telling people go in and comments something else,
but right here we've got comments.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
If you're just listening.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Uh, these are all comments under h Alyssa Slockin's interview
with Stephen Colbert. H stuff like thanks to Breaking Points,
we now know the senator was recording this interview you
at the same time she was supposed to vote on
preventing further funding to Israel for offensive weapons. Another comment here,
slock and staff told her to go to Breaking Points
for publicity, then her pr told her to go to
(05:11):
Colbert's for damage control. Breaking Points interview really helps show
Senator Slockin's true character. Everyone needs to get her interviewed
on Breaking Points. That's how an interview should be handled.
And finally, Breaking Points really dropped the ball by not
asking Senator Slockin about her opinion on hot dogs versus
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sandwich is true?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
True? We miss that, we missed. That didn't have time.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That was my next question before her staff was like
she she must leave this out right now.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah, yeah, I could.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I could tell they were really like rushing it up,
because you could tell like Sager was really really paying attention.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Sacer is more attentive to the staffers concerns that I am.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
This is this is the same dynamic. This is the
same dynamic with Ryan and me. I am like when
the staff is like we gotta go, I'm like okay, whatever.
And then and once I get like three warnings and
like Ryan stop.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, well, I mean the staffers, the staffers, they're going
to tell you she needs to go, like twenty minutes
before she actually wants to go, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That's the game. They know what we do.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, they know what we do, right, And you know,
obviously my interview was uncomfortable, but it wasn't going now
and that may factor into how long a time they decided.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They showed a lot to this.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But yeah, I you know, I was seeing the messages
from uh, from the guys in the control room, like Okay,
the staffer says she has to go. I'm like, well
go in a few minutes, like a couple more things
we want to get to you here. But interestingly she
also so she missed. We obviously pressed her on okay,
would you block aid like weapons to Israel, and she
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starts saying, well, I think there's a distinction between offensive
and defensive, and Sager asks her, okay, well would you
would you block offensive weapons? And she says, that's a
conversation I'm open to. Then we get into an exchange
about defensive weapons. And this was before I knew. I
wish I had known, but this was before I knew
that Burning was going to offer these two resolutions on
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blocking specifically offensive weapons. So she's very squishy in the interview,
doesn't commit, and then happens to decide that it's more
important to go to New York and film this appearance
of the Colbert Stephen Colbert. I still want to call
it the Colbert Report, but whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Oh don't you dare?
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Yeah's a good.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Name of that show.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, But in any case, she decides it's more important
to be there in New York with Stephen Colbert than
taking this vote to block weapons going into a genocide.
So this is noted by many people, and she put
out this like long tortured statement.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Kind of like a Tumblr post.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Here it's giving Ackman, you know Ackman for sure, and
she I mean, I don't need to give you all
of this, but she talks about I've struggled with this
blah blah bla more than any previous votes in the
nearly two years, she says. Ultimately, she claims that had
she bothered to be there, that she would have voted
(08:08):
for the resolution to block the weapons, and then she
goes on to say, you know, she'll evaluate on a
case by case basis in the future, just based on
I guess whether or not, like how fully and completely
they're starving and bombing Palestinians at that particular moment, So wherever.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
She's booked on late night at that evening, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
That too, right, Yeah, I mean you know, if Jimmy
Fallon calls, we all know what takes precedence. Right on
one side, you've got a genocide. On the other side,
you've got late night TV.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
So actually, this is how they can This is how
Dems actually should think about. If they ever don't want
something to pass, they just and it's a close vote,
they just have Fallon call it Slotkin. She's out of there.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
There you go, there you go, good call, good call
on that. So I don't know, what do you guys,
what do you guys think about the like what are
your thoughts on the state, because there's so many layers here.
I mean, first of all, like the inability to commit
to anything with us, and then she's like, can't bother
to be there and then puts out this long tortured
post that like, you weren't there to vote, So it's
sort of meaningless. But also it's not like she's committing
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to do anything in the future either. It's just sort
of I don't know. It's just sort of classic like
political evasion and lack of prioritization of anything that could
actually matter, an addication of duty of like what power
you actually have as a United States editor.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's the best trick on Capitol Hill to miss the
vote and say how you would have voted. And so
her doing that on a critical vote for Democrats, at
least in the midst of this media tour is particularly
cowardly and not reflective of somebody leaning into a leadership
role in the party, which is exactly what she is
trying to do as she goes to all of these
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different shows. So I have a question about that, and
then we can table it for the moment. But a
question is, so why she has pushed herself for exposure
over the course of just the last week. I mean,
obviously she's into this for presidential reasons. There are people
in the party. It seems to me very obviously there
are people in the party who are pushing her into
the mail for these reasons.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Now, on the other hand, we talked about this privately,
but I thought a couple of interesting things came out
of your guys's conversation. First of all, I mean a
lot of interesting things, but just in terms of reading
the tea leaves, she seems eager to look like she
was divorcing herself from Netanyahu and LCUD and the current
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state of the humanitarian crisis.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
She seemed to me like she was leaning into that.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
But so she wanted to sort of be seen as somebody,
which is very interesting for like the mascot of moderate
Democrats to be doing. But she abu she couldn't execute,
of course, as we've discussed, But like that is in
and of itself, I think that's quite interesting. Her doing
breaking points is quite interesting because I think people are
(10:59):
starting to realize that the reason you lose podcasters and
young people is because you're not even in the arena
and so they're starting to make this calculation, this cost
benefit analysis, that it's better to be in the arena.
She knew she was alives. My theory would be that
she knew her staff knew that she was about to
get grilled.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But I think we all read that right.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
They we all knew she was coming in for something combative,
whether she knew how combative it would be, right.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So I just think that it's interesting that their cost
benefit analysis and it is leading them to it just
like going in and that might that might not be
permanent because of what happened on the show, to be honest,
and what will probably happen elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think they'll just choose instead to go on like
Brian Tyler Cohen or something, you know, like because now
and look, for a while, it was kind of unfair
because Republicans had a lot of safe spaces in podcast
world that they could go to and Democrats had fewer
of those safe spaces. But now there's safe spaces for
Democrats to go and like be sickly, get a cable
news treatment treatment just on YouTube. So I think that's
(12:05):
likely what happens. But the other I'm hoping and maybe
this is too self congratulatory. But I'm hoping, just from
a cynical perspective, because of how much attention that interview garnered,
and by the way, how much attention Tucker's interview of
Ted Cruz garnered, that maybe some of these cynical YouTube
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podcast actors will realize that actually doing some preparation and
asking tough questions of political official, even if you just
care about views and clicks and clout, that's a pretty
good way to get those things, because people are interested
in seeing these individuals held to account. And obviously the
good reason to do that is because powerful people should
be held to account. And if you're going to stay
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on the one hand, yes, they're committing crimes against humanity
with an intentional starvation policy, and on the other hand,
I don't know if I'm going to do anything about it.
And by the way, I'm busy that night I got
to be at Colbert. Yeah, I think that that is
important in for for people to know about a United
States senator who clearly has presidential ambitions. So, you know,
it was extraordinary to see that. I know it's you know,
(13:09):
I guess it's sort of trivial, but it was extraordinary
to see the way that comment section you can scroll
and scroll and scroll in every comment who was about
her interview on Breaking Points. It's also an indication of
why Colbert is getting canned. I mean, I do think
it was political and Trump has something to do with it,
et cetera. But also, you know her, what she said
(13:31):
to us, and that exchange was vastly more impactful in
terms of the political conversation than you know, the the
bullshit softball spin that she was doing over on Colbert.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I'm also curious, Griffin, go ahead, go ahead, no no, no, no,
please go on with I was just gonna say, I'm
curious why she's making yourself available in media this week.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Seriously, Like, Oh, I do think I do think there's
a realization there was a There's this candidate in the
Senate primary in also in Michigan, Mallory mcmarrow.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Who is sort of like so there's Hailey.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Stevens, who's like the full APAC candidate, like she's like
the you know, most CIA aligned candidate there. And then
there's Abdulah Sayad who has been endorsed by Bernie.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
We've had him on the show.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think we're getting him back on the show next week,
actually who says it's a gedocide. Like he's very clear
and has been very morally clear on you know, the
atrocities being committed on Gaza. And then there's Mallory McMorrow,
who is like trying she's a Lizabeth candidate. She's trying
to find what's like, Okay, what can I say that's
going to be okay and dearborn, but it's not going
to like, you know, be unacceptable in terms of like
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the Israel status quo. And so she also has landed
on this position of like we need to block specifically
offensive weapons and very much a similar line to what
Slotkin was trying to peddle with us. So I think
there is a realization that when you have literally ninety
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two percent of the Democratic base saying this is a
horror and it needs to stop and we are not
on board with this at all, when you have roughly
eighty percent that say this is a genocide, they have
realized that their position of just that we're with Israel,
it doesn't matter what they do has become completely politically.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Untenable from them.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But I don't think they realize yet that if you're
going to there's there's no like, you know, centrist position
on a genocide.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
If you're going to get better, that's right.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Like two years from O twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight,
I doubt Israel's popularity is going to be one to
eighty turned around, like yeah, it's only going to continue careering.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
So that's right.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I mean, it is a it is a toxic, toxic
position that's only going to get more toxic.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And the liberal Zionists, sorry, Grevin, and I want your
reflection on that. The liberal Zionist position is not tenable anymore.
It's just not time. And you saw this in the debate.
Did you watch Meddi's debate with the J Street Street
dude over on Podshave, Yeah, And I mean he just
ate that guy a lot. I mean, Meddi is very
good debater, so I wouldn't want to go up against
him either. But the guy's like, oh, you're always trying
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to see the J Street guys, like you're always trying
to see things in black and white, and many says, well,
it's a genocide.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It is black and white.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And for people care about this, like that's just that
is if it's a genocide, that's happening. There's a moral clarity,
there is a moral and tactical by the way responsibility,
especially for people in power. So there are attempts to
kind of like find some centristy abundance style positioning on
a genocide is not going to be seen as any
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better truly than like a John Fetterman position. I mean,
Fetterman's position in some ways makes more sense. It's just
like I support the murder and I'm not here for
the murder, and I.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Let's just do it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
There's is like, oh, well, I don't like the murderer,
but I'm still going to send the murder of the weapons.
It's like that makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
And with that J Street guy in particular, or you know,
I mean, I thought he had like kind of agreeable
takes on like a lot of stuff. He was like
basically agreeing with Mehdi on like every point, but then
when it came to like declariny to genocide, he's like, ultimately,
it hurts my feelings, and that's why I don't call
it a genocide. And we're we're kind of we're past feelings. Sorry,
we're into facts now, we're Shapiro mode. And so I
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just yeah, I don't see any of that stuff turning around.
I just wanted to know one thing Emily was asking
why slock And came on the show, and something outside
of sort of the clips that have gone out on
breaking Points that was interesting for me was that Slotkin's
sort of line about herself was I'm the youngest senator
of the Democrats, which is like this thing where like
they've been trying to recreate Zoron and they're like, well,
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what is it?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
What do people like about him? It's probably just that
he's young.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
So as long as we keep everything else the same,
as long as we keep like kneeling for Israel, but
we just get younger people kneeling for Israel, well then.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
That that'll be good.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
And yeah, it's like comparatively like slot Kin is like young,
I guess comparatively to the rest of the Senate. But
I just don't think that is going to really you know,
I don't think that's gonna pass muster.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But you know, she's forty nine.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
For the record, Okay, well listen, this is the Girl Show.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
She looks great for her age that I wanted to
play slock In, but it's kind of boring.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So do we want to just go straight to Kamala.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, we've slot in for this week.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, come on, let's let's let's rinse her mouths. So,
Kamala Colbert is like the place to be right at
the end here, isn't it. It's like all of a sudden,
Colbert's back on the map. He's got Kamala. Kamala is
coming here on Colbert to explain why she has said
that she is not going to be running for the
California governor.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Let's take a listen it.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
They're not running for the governor of California.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Correct, Even though in early Poland you'd beat every other
by double digits, you said you're gonna sit this one out.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Why are you saying the star you saving yourself for
a different office?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
That uh cheering is so disturbing. They also cheered for
slot kids like CIA propaganda.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
I am listen, I am a devout public servant. I
have spent my entire career in service of the people,
and I thought a lot about running for governor. I
love my state, I love California. I've served as just
elected district attorney, attorney general, and senator. But to be
very candid, with you. I am. You know, when I
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was a young young in my career, I had to
defend my decision to become a prosecutor with my family.
And one of the points that I made is, why
is it then, when we think we want to improve
a system.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Or family also thinks on.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
The outside, on bendedne or trying to break down the door.
Shouldn't we all so be inside the system? And that
has been my career, and recently I made the decision
that I just for now, I don't want to go
back in the system. I think it's broken. I think
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it's there's so much I mean, there are so many good.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
People who are publicized servants who do such good work,
teachers and firefighters and police officers and nurses and scientists, scientists,
and so it's not about them.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
But you know, I believe, and I always believed that
as fragile as our democracy is, our systems would be
strong enough to defend our most fundamental principles.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
And I think right now that they're.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Not as strong as they need to be. And I
just don't want to for now, I don't want to
go back in the system. I want to I want
to travel the country. I want to listen to people.
I want to talk with people, and I don't want
it to be transactional where I'm asking for their vote.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
They don't want to write.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I want to talk to her. Come on, breaking Kamala.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
He's selling a book. We will we will sell that book, Crystal.
Your immediate reaction. We haven't really talked abou Kamala almost
at all on the show since the election. This is
like one of her most public facing appearances. Yeah, what
was what's your take on what you just watched?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, I think what you just said is very revealing,
like as someone who's, oh my god, I've devoted my
life to public service, Like where have you been? There's
kind of a lot going on, you know, Like you
were warning that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Trump is a fascist.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I agree, and he's behaving as a fascist and it's
been worse than any of us could have imagined. And
you've had nothing to say about that. Like you told
us that you were, you know, your heart was breaking
over what was happening in Gaza. Where have you been
to say even say anything about that? So, like, I mean,
she's she's so hollow. She's trying to follow the Obama
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model of being like a brand. She doesn't have nearly
the like charisma or talent to pull that off remotely.
And you know, it's just it's just if she actually
thinks she has a shot in a presidential primary, let
alone a general election, this is the most delusional person
on the planet. But based on what she said there,
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I think she does. I think she's been convinced. And
you know, the polls will come out and they'll show her, yeah,
with you know, leading the Democratic primary, which is very
disturbing to me, but we all know, the moment that
she's actually out there on a debate stage, people will
be reminded of why it is that they didn't vote
for her back when she ran in twenty twenty and
how she, you know, was part of losing in twenty
(22:48):
twenty four. And I don't lay all of that at
her feet, because I think there were she came in
with a lot of baggage. But she also gets responsibilities
since she was the one on the ticket and made
some really bad decisions, especially down the stretch. So I
what happens with these politicians is they have people around them.
Kamala is very much a person who puts herself in
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a bubble she's very cautious, you know, she's very sort
of brittle in terms of taking criticism, and so she's
got people around to her who would profit off of
her running for president.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So they're pumping her up. Look at this poll.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Look they love you. Look at go on, Colbert, See
how the audience is cheering for you. They'll you know,
they'll be delighted to have you back in. Like, it's
just it's it's absurd. Kyle and I have a disagreement
on this. He's concerned that Kamala could actually do well
in a primary.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
You're saying, don't trust the polls because we see her
name and maybe it's just name recognition.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Name recognition.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
She's I mean, there's just she there's a reason why
people rejected her the first time she ran. And even
putting every four while yes, that's right, and putting everything aside,
you think the Democratic electorate is going to put somebody
back up who's a proven loser. Like, if there's one
thing they're going to be desperate to do, it's going
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to be to pick someone who could maybe actually win.
So I, you know, I don't think there's any way
that she would be able to secure the nomination. I
guess you never know, but for me, that's not really
a fear.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I also wanted to point out something that's a connection
between that Kamala Harrison interview and Delisa Slotkin interview and
Stephen Colbert, and actually even Slotkin coming on breaking points
and talking to different people. Kamala Harrish just said her
primary reason for not running for governor of California. I
think we can probably all agree it's likely that she
(24:36):
does want to run for president again. Based on that interview,
it sounded like campaigny, but she said it was because
she thinks the system is broken. And that sounds like
a tested, strategized talking point, and that is about to
be a very deeply cynical, I think, a very deeply
cynical strategy of the Democratic Establishment. They have picked up
(24:59):
on the mood of the party base. When you have
the fighting Oligarchy tour going into red states, drawing massive
crowds of as Dave Weigel said, normy Dems, not just
you know, sort of burnie people. But that's the Democratic establishment.
And I would just tell people right now, you're about
(25:19):
to hear this ad nauseam until twenty twenty eight. It's
how Trump took some voters away from the Democratic Party.
And it's obviously very very easy to say, but it's
from people like Kamala Harris and Alyssa Slotkin. They know
that's the mood of the country. That was their first step.
They didn't understand it. They didn't acknowledge it. First step
is admitting you had a problem. They've been failing that
(25:40):
for a decade now, and they're about to adopt a
deeply cynical strategy of using that to try and I
guess sway people back to these moderate candidates.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well, and because Griffin, it's like, oh, the system's broken
or the institutions weren't strong enough.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It's like, lady, you were president, so you know. That's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's what annoys me, maybe more than anything, is when
they act like they are powerless or were powerless. Jeez,
I wish someone with some power had bolstered our institutions.
That seemed like a good thing to do while you
were literally vice president of the United States for four years.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean it was such a botched explanation too.
She was like, well, I worked in the system, but
now I don't want to be in the system because
the system is broken. Like she's like I argue with
my mom and dad about being a CA Like it
was just it was kind of all over the place,
and it reminded me because we haven't watched her in
so long. Like every time I'm like gets asked a question,
it's like she had never expected the question before. Like
(26:40):
she's like totally improv one oh one right, like just
trying to figure it out. It's like, this is the
most basic question you're going to get asked, why aren't
you running for governor? And what are you doing right now?
And it takes her four minutes of word vomit to
just kind of like just give the most like unconstructed
anti establishment. You know, we're going outside the established dent
(27:02):
of all time. And so it's like, but yeah, they
can say that to Emily if they're gonna run on
that twenty twenty six, twenty eight, But what's it gonna be,
like just a five percent tax credit if you're a
local business who's been in college and just graduated grad
school for POC businesses, Like, is that the anti establishment thing?
Like there's gonna be nothing else outside of like these
kind of just airy, garbled statements.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be more like, oh,
let's edit our videos like Zoran does.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
That's exact, you know, it's completely stylistic.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, yeah, So do you guys see this, This like
abundance centrist guy who's running with Reid Hoffman money in
New York City against Jerry Nadler. And he's doing like
the Zoron like cuts and like even sort of stylistically,
like his font looks a little Zorani and then his
politics are just like the literal polar opposite and he's
challenging Jerry Nadler from the right, and his whole pitch
(27:56):
is just like I'm young and I've got cool videos.
You like me, right, I'm like the next Zoran. It's
it's so cynical and it's and everyone sees immediately through it.
It's the same thing with the peak clip that we
Emily you and I popped where he's like, I think
the key to Zoran wasn't really about his ideology.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
It was you know, it's right.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I mean, that's and that's part of why Sluckin came
on breaking points, like to bring it back to that
it's because that's the sort of lessons they took, is
just like we need to go on podcasts, we need
to edit videos differently, like we need to smile more,
like just the most surface level stuff. And it's like, no,
people like this guy because they see that he actually
stands for something, and in particular, one thing he stands
for is like adamantly opposing a genocide even as everyone
(28:42):
is like smearing him as being an anti Zemite for
doing that. So yeah, they, I mean, they just they
want to take all of the the visual grammar of
an anti establishment and maybe some of the like surface
level rhetoric and then offer to your point Griffin, like
tax credits for people who make less than twenty five
thousand dollars in certain disadvantaged neighborhoods.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Got free books, Zorn's, Got free buses, Kamala's Got fire
buses with a monthly subscription service. Yeah, like this kind
of leads to what she's selling here, which is her
new book, one hundred and seven Days.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Who wants to read this?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And oh is this for and for people just listening
on a podcast? So the cover it says one hundred
and seven Days. It looks a lot kind of like
an airport book. I mean, I don't do this kind
of just like struck me before we played the video,
but like after two years of Israel Palestine, looking at
the numbers ten to seven on a book like just
(29:46):
kind of.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Like threw me off.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I didn't even pick up on that.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I don't know. That's that's just what I saw right
off the gate. Here. But let's hear what she has
to say about the book here go.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
I launched my campaign for president of the United States
one hundred and seven, traveling the country fighting for our future.
The shortest presidential campaign in modern history. It was intense,
high stakes, and deeply personal for me and for so
many of you. Since leaving office, I've spent a lot
(30:18):
of time reflecting on those days, talking with my team,
my family, my friends, and pulling my thoughts together, in essence,
writing a journal that is this book one hundred and
seven Days with candor and reflection, I've written a behind
the scenes account of that journey. I believe there's value
(30:39):
in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what
I know it will take to move forward.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
All right, So that's basically it.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And this like this comes in the context of that
Jake Tapper book about Biden's decline that was like a
huge bestseller.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Do we think that there's going to even be a
pay on that in this book?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Because that would be the only thing to get kickstar
Kamala for twenty twenty eight is to completely throw Biden
under the bus. And honestly, that was the only moment
where she popped in the primaries, when she threw Biden
under the bus on busing, So true, is any of
that going to be in this book? Is there even
(31:23):
going to be a page? What's your prediction?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, I mean even okay, she may make some vague
allusion to it, But that's the reason I.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Say, who is this book for?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Because it's not like you could think that this woman
is going to like actually tell you the truth. She's
going to give you her like propagandized version of what happened.
And so if you're a Republican, you're certainly not interested
in that. If you're a Democrat, I don't think any
Democrats really want to relive that election and what happens,
and you know, the ultimate loss plus is just not
(31:56):
going to be honest. So no, I mean it's just
an excuse for her to travel the country and do
her book tour and you know, imagine that she could
be president of the United States.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Ye has some soft image we had before anything happens
in the cycle. I mean, that's what publicists tell you
to do. And so who's this book for. Probably the
publisher who will make money when she goes and gives
paid speeches where they buy the book, and it's an
excuse then also go on a speaking tour, an immediate tour,
and I'm sure she got a decent advance for it.
So that's I'm sure that's what it's about.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Now.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I would be surprised if there wasn't, to Crystal's point,
some vague illusion to Biden's issues in the book, just
because even again from the cynical perspective, it's so obvious
that people are mad about it and curious about it
and all of that. So, but I don't think it
goes beyond something that's like typical Kamala Harris canned predictable
(32:53):
and you learn basically nothing. It's the opposite of the
candor that she's promising in that clip. I've never seen
Kamala Harris be candid once in my life.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
About food.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's what I was gonna say. She loves cooking.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's what I see her, like authentically in her joy
like doing the thing, and she's in her element.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I'm like, just go like started cooking YouTube.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Like female vice president to go back to the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's part of vibe shift, part of my new you know,
part of being anti woke. I have to make up
for my take on Sidney Sweeney earlier this week.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
So that's where what I'm here for.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
All right, Well, I think we have I think we
have our doctor standing by, So why don't we go ahead? Yeah,
why don't we go ahead and bring her in?
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Griffin Absolutely, we are joined right now with doctor Amberine Salimi.
She's a Brooklyn based eurocologist. So sorry to bumble that
one an executive director for International Medical Response. We usually
returned home from volunteering at Nasier Hospital in Gaza, where
she was stationed for approximately three and a half weeks.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Doctor. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
It's great to be here.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, of course, so thank you not only for being
with us, thank you for the work that you were
doing in Gaza. We actually just talked to a whistleblower
as a former Green Beret who was working at one
of these quote unquote a eight distribution sites, and he
was actually telling us how a lot of the you know,
the people who were being massacred then they would be
brought to NASA Hospital where you were working. So I
(34:33):
was wondering if you could talk a little bit about
what you saw, what type of injuries were coming in.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Sure, we were I think one of the closest hospitals
in southern Gaza to the major GHF site that was
in the south, So it was almost like clockwork the
mass casualty events that would come in through the er
at any point during every single day. Once the GHF
(35:02):
site would open up a few hours later, there would
just be hundreds of people brought in with gunshot wounds
and it would range anywhere from kids to you know,
adults and older people. It would be mostly men and
(35:23):
boys because these were the you know, people who could
go and possibly get food, walk back the many many
kilometers with you know, a twenty five pound bag of flour.
But you could tell immediately that people were coming from
the GHF site because the er would just be full
(35:47):
beyond capacity. And when I say er capacity, it's not
like beds. Its floor space, any space available, because it
was you know, well over the number of beds, just
any floor space available.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Families would bring their less ones.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
Or rescue workers or whoever happened to be there, and
it would be on donkey parts, it would be an ambulances,
it would be on blankets held between two other people,
just to get somebody into the er.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
So it was pretty talk to us.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Can you also talk to us about treating malnutrition or
what you saw people coming in with famine conditions, starvation?
How much of that did you see as well?
Speaker 8 (36:34):
So I just wanted to, first of all, just point
out that I went with an organization called Batamol, which
is a US based organization out of Texas. Very few
organizations are given permission by the Israelis to actually enter Gaza,
and I think a remarkable number of people are rejected
with no reason given. So that was just one thing
I wanted to clear up. The other one was that
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I spent most of my mornings and days in the
maternity hospital, so I had and not many volunteers are
led in to go work as Obgan's and eurogenecologists because
obviously trauma orthopedics burns are more needed. But I felt
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really privileged to be able to work in the maternity
hospital with amazing colleagues and also helped take care of
pregnant women, but also women who came in.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
With gynecologic conditions.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
And everybody who came in showed some form of malnutrition.
And I mean from the patients that came in that
were pregnant, from our gynecologic patients that came in with
chronic conditions that hadn't been treated for years, to the
babies that were born to women who were malnourished came
out obviously much smaller than expected. And also the healthcare
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workers like my colleagues, my obgyan colleagues, the nurses and
all the staff anesthesia would show pictures from before times
before the siege of what they looked like, and you
could tell immediately that there was a massive amount of waste,
weight loss, and also just that you could see bones
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that in normal healthy individuals we don't see. So the
malnutrition and the effect of the acute blockade which started
in March, where Israel did not let any food in
or supplies to a more chronic condition over even before
(38:32):
October twenty twenty three, there was always limited amount of
aid that would come in for about twenty years. So
you're seeing sort of this siege which is the last
few months now, on top of chronic malnourishment.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
And this is what we saw.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
And I think the pictures that people are seeing now
which we saw in person, again, I can just speak
to my experience. Was you know, it was just it
was very remarkable. It was very remarkable.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
How long were you in Gaza, doctor?
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I was there just short of four months. I was
supposed to leave, I'm sorry, for four weeks. I was
supposed to leave it the three week mark, and we
because of safety concerns, actually our exit was was canceled,
which was a little concerned.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, I would, I'm sure it was. I know you're
not here to complain about your own discomfort, but I
am curious, you know, what about were you able to
to eat, have sufficient meals nutrition, because we also are
seeing reports of medical workers who are fainting and collapsing
and dizzy making rounds and trying to treat patients.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And I was just that your own safety. Did you
feel as though you know, somebody who's treating people you
were safe?
Speaker 8 (39:50):
Well, okay, let me answer the first questions. As volunteer
doctors who were there for a very limited time, we
were allowed and actually told to bring in and food
if we wanted to for ourselves, but nothing more because
at the border everything was scrutinized and looked at, and
if it looked like you were bringing in I'm sure
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you've heard stories of baby formula that was taken away,
extra baby formula that was not allowed. So people who
like in my situation, we were taken care of because
we brought in our own, our own food for a
time the time needed. But what we did see was
all our colleagues and the staff in the hospital, including patients,
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got maybe one meal a day. And right before I left,
about a week before I left, World Central Kitchen, which
was supplying a lot of the hospitals, ran out of food,
so that one meal would also be like just a
small bowl of rice, you know, with maybe some lentils
in it or some combination of that, and then that
would be it. And then physicians and nurses again there
(40:58):
was there's no really great supply of clean water, so
people are dehydrated, and absolutely we would need to put
in ivs to hydrate people so that they could continue
doing the work of taking care of others.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
But everybody did speak about.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
How hungry they were and how hard it was to
find food.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
That was a daily conversation that was happening.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
I wanted to ask you about what you said about,
you know, one hundred people a day coming in Shot,
coming in from these GHF AID sites. Now like one
hundred people coming in shot to a hospital in America
would overwhelm it with their modern resources, with all the
doctors being fully fed. What does that look like for
(41:43):
a hospital? Like, what is one hundred people coming in shot?
How many are you even able to treat or save
in those moments? And then kind of a part two
of my question is you know, we had a recent
whistleblower who worked at the GHF AID sites on what
is your impression of the g h F and their
aid delivery?
Speaker 8 (42:05):
So one the impression I can make from what I
saw and talking to my surgical colleagues who I would
join after maternity in the afternoon, I would go to
the general o RS and help where I could. And again,
we all lived collectively, so conversations were constantly going on
about what came in through the er, what the pattern
(42:27):
was that we saw from the g h F, And
there was a clear pattern of you know, shooting.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
That looked like it was target practice.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
I mean this week. They have documented in the e
RS and the o RS when they wrote their notes
that one day it would be you know, Torso's, one
other day it would be Legs. Another time there was
a string of you know, genital shots that would would
come in through the er. And I think that to
(42:57):
try to see two million people that are starving with
a few centralized sites and with a system that I
can only describe as target practice or some sort of
you know, squid games hunger games type of situation is
(43:19):
not a good system. It's a dehumanizing system. It's a
system meant to humiliate people who are starving. That's what
I can tell you. We were obviously not allowed near
close to the sites. We couldn't even really leave the
hospital compound because the.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Area outside was a red zone.
Speaker 8 (43:40):
Speaking about safety, and again we are limited in We
knew that we would be there for an x amount
of time and hopefully be able to leave. But I
really think that we need to consider the people who
are living this every single day for now twenty twenty
one months.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
This is the daily life of somebody.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
It's unimaginable, unable to leave.
Speaker 8 (44:03):
Because it's also true that there is no safe place
in Gaza. Regularly, in addition to GHF's injuries that would
come in, we would always have a steady stream of people, men, women, children,
babies who were suffering burns, injuries and shrapnel from the
(44:26):
bombs that were constantly going off, and bullets from quad
copters that were constantly targeting civilians. So this is the reality.
It wasn't just GHF's site injuries coming in. It was
a constant flow of other types of injuries from bombs.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
What does Gaza look like at this point?
Speaker 8 (44:52):
I had a limited view because of where I was,
but it looks utterly decimated. And we can all see
pictures of what Basa used to look like. It's available
on the internet, and you cannot believe that the Gaza
I saw and my colleague saw was the Gaza of
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the videos from before. It looks utterly decimated. It looks
like a wasteland. Almost all the buildings have been bombed, collapsed,
and then in the middle of that in these areas
where civilians are supposed to live, are just tents after
tents after tents, like kilometers and kilometers and kilometers of
(45:40):
tense cities everywhere, and these go basically up until the
shore of the ocean, of the sea, up until the sea.
And this is where people have been dislocated to after
being told, you know, multiple times, three, four or five
times throughout this genocide that they have to move, pack
(46:03):
up their kids, pack up everything, take what you can,
and quickly, very quickly leave and go to another tent site.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
And so that's that's what I could tell you. It
looks like now.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
There was a balcony off of our accommodations in the
hospital because we all we all lived in the hospital
for our entire stay. It was a balcony and it
looked south towards Rafa. And I really think about the
time when all eyes were on Rafa at the end
of last year, and I will tell you Rafa is
flattened because you could see Rafa.
Speaker 7 (46:37):
And because it's.
Speaker 8 (46:38):
Flattened, you could see the Rafa crossing from the balcony,
and the Rafa crossing right beyond that is where all
the ad trucks were being blocked from coming in, so.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
This is what you could see.
Speaker 8 (46:54):
You could also see in my four weeks there the
site even to the Mediterranean or was also visible as
more and more buildings were just collapsed while I was there,
because again the hosp Naser Hospital was in a red
zone and there was a time where we were really
worried about security once we had just gotten there a
(47:15):
few days afterwards where the hospital was under siege. There
were tanks in the street right outside. There was a
real fear in the hospital because the year prior, Nasser
actually was invaded by the Israeli military and people were,
you know, fled, Some people healthcare workers and doctors were
(47:36):
kidnapped and some of whom still.
Speaker 7 (47:39):
Are being held.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
And we don't know exactly where. There's a graveyard right
on the grounds of nass they call it the graveyard
where bulldozers had come through and there was a tent
city there that was supposed to be a safe zone
and it was actually just bulldozed over by the Israeli military.
(48:03):
And you people found IV poles, people still attached to
ivy poles, because you have to remember, in especially in
a hospital setting, you have people who have severe burns
and bandaged amputations. They're in wheelchairs, they're weak, they're malnourished,
their star they cannot just evacuate, right, So that just
(48:25):
became a very huge graveyard, which is now I.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Wanted to ask specifically about the starvation. You know, there's
been a lot of debates in American media about the starvation.
What we know is that a lot of people are
entering stage five of malnutrition, and I was wondering if
you could explain to our audience not only what your
view is on the from what you've seen in your
(48:49):
experience the extent of the.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
Starvation in Gaza, but also what.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
It takes medically to save people that are at that
level of malnutrition, Like what would act take to medically
save people at that point.
Speaker 8 (49:05):
So what I saw personally and what my colleagues were
reporting is that there is you know, a huge amount
of malnourishment and starvation. And this is what we saw
on our patients, all of our pregnant patients, the babies
being born. Like I said, and stage five, there is
a point that you reach in starvation where you have
(49:25):
to be very careful then about reintroducing food. So it's
not just that you can start feeding people immediately at
this point in starvation, because there's such an imbalance in
electrolytes and nourishment that it has to be done in
a very careful way.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
So it's not.
Speaker 8 (49:43):
Just that you're letting in you know, more beans and
lentils and flower You need to be letting in the
proper nutrition. You need to be letting in you know,
magnesium and phosphate and all these you know, electrolytes that
have to be in the appropriate balance. Otherwise the body
system will actually, you know, you'll end up in a coma.
(50:07):
And this feeding, if it's not done properly, people will
die from actually the refeeding.
Speaker 7 (50:12):
So that's a huge concern. It's not just you know,
letting in food aid.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
It's it's letting in nutritional balance and the right the
right amount of balance so people don't die from being fed.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Doctor, the the last question I had for you is,
let's say that they open the floodgates for food and
nutrition and medicine and everything that the population needs.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
At this point, you know, what will be the lifelong.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
What will be the lifelong consequences of you know, those
babies who were born suffering from malnutrition, these young children
whose little bodies and brains are trying to grow and
don't have nearly the caloric resources and nutrition to be
able to do. So, you know, even if you completely
open and the floodgates, now, what does the fallout look like?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Right?
Speaker 8 (51:03):
So I think that's such an important question, and thank
you for bringing that up. I believe that there are
many babies that were conceived and born at the beginning
of you know, from October twenty twenty three, and already
again with those that are now one years old or
even more, they're going to have long term effects for malnutrition.
(51:28):
Just imagine the you know, the stunting, the mental, mental growth,
psychological trauma is going to be huge, and I'm not
sure people are going to be ready to, but we
have to be ready to able to be able to
confront that.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
And deal with that.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
Also the mental trauma that everybody, all populations are going
to be suffering with, but also the starvation. I mean
we talk about when we take our kids to the pediatricians,
they're looking for you know, these very specific you know,
growth milestones, right, and how worried they are about meeting
these milestones and nutritionally everybody's got their growth weight. You know,
(52:09):
if you have kids, you know you're always looking at
the growth chart and making sure our kids are on
that growth chart. But what it means when you don't
hit those milestones are going to be long term effects
to brain development, to physical development, and also the psychological
trauma and in particular kids, but adults too. You know,
we can't forget about that. And I think it's it's
(52:32):
going to be a very profound, profound impact that this siege,
starvation and just the trauma of the bombings.
Speaker 7 (52:42):
And the genocide is going to have on the population.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, well, doctor, thank you so much again for spending
some time with us and sharing you know, your your
testimony about what you witnessed. I think it is comes
at just such an absolutely critical moment, and we're incredibly
great to you for that.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
It's our pleasure.
Speaker 7 (53:04):
Doctor.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
All right, Well that was doctor Sleemy. We're all very
grateful for her coming on the show and for doctors
like her who are risking their safety to go work
over in what seems like hell on earth.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
To be honest, yeah, I have to say people like
her give me hope for humanity. I mean, the barbarism
that we see unchecked on a daily basis makes me
feel pretty dark about as like a species sometimes. And
but then on the flip side of it, you see
absolute angels like that woman who you know, gave up
(53:43):
a month of her life to go and be in
a war zone in the worst conditions you can imagine,
at great physical and personal risk, and you know, it's
it's an extraordinary things.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
Just feel that way about Aguilar, who we had on
the show, that absolutely that gave me hope because it's like,
you know, you think about you know, these military guys,
these army guys, but like you know, he never shot
his gun the entire time he was there.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
He led with you.
Speaker 5 (54:11):
Know, bravery, encourage, and uh, he's put a target on
his back for what he has said on our show
and on other shows, and he's just doing it because
it's the right thing to do. So yeah, I've definitely
seen examples of they give me hope right now.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, like we should mention Wick Cough is actually in Gaza,
or was in Gaza for this like little propaganda stunt
where they oh, look everything's going great.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
We're not shooting at people.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Don't worry that we're not massacring Palestinians on a literal
daily basis for no reason at all and luring them
into what, you know, Tony Aguilar called intentional death traps.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
So, you know, the just.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I don't even know what you what you say about
it at this point. So it's so dark and feels
so you know, like there's no end in sight.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Really.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
I think it's also worth noting that Trump, this was
a story that broke yesterday. Trump in the Times of
Israel was quoted as having told a donor it's a
total anonymously sort of story, but telling a donor that
the magabase was turning against Israel, which is quite interesting.
(55:27):
And then I'll share this, he was. Trump was taking
questions from reporters yesterday, and he ended up saying, right here, sorry,
I'm sharing my screen. He ended up saying, well, okay,
He ended up saying, this is really meta. I'm stopping.
(55:49):
I'm just gonna read the quote he ended up saying.
It was asked if he agrees with Marjorie Taylor Green
that there's a genocide in Gaza, Trump said, quote, Oh,
it's terrible. What's occurring there. Yeah, it's a terrible thing.
People are very hungry. And then he said part of
the problem is Hamas taking the money and food. So
(56:10):
that's where Trump is. But it reminds me.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Of even the Israelis say that's not true. I mean,
that was the New York Times report they had. Israeli
military officials would say, that's just not true. I mean
we all know, like we all know, that's a total,
incomplete lie. We just heard the doctors say, look, all
the AID is lined up there at the border. They
just won't let it through, you know. And that's the
other thing that pisses me off about the pretext of
the wit Cough visit is he supposed to be there
to like study a plan for what we could do.
(56:32):
It's like, you don't need to study a plan. The
un knows how to operate. Just let them operate and
you know, call off the Israelis so that they're not
shooting at AID workers and are allowing them in for
multiple crossings by the way, too, because that's an issue.
If you just let in a few trucks through one crossing,
oh yeah, guess what a starving population is going to
(56:54):
mob those trucks immediately and grab whatever they can. Survival
of the fittest stare for.
Speaker 6 (57:01):
AID sites when there needs to be like forty at least.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
No four hundred.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
That's what the that's what the UN was operating, was
four hundred AID sites. They had kitchens and bakeries throughout
the entire Gaza strip, And so you know the idea
that you can. I mean, the intention of GHF was
never to feed the population. That was never the intention.
The intention of GHF is to weaponize military aid, to
(57:28):
use it to create further displacement and misery, all wrapped
in this sort of like pr of Oh, look at
us giving a bag of lentils to this starving child.
Speaker 6 (57:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
I was just to say the Trump comments remind me
sort of similar to what we're seeing from Slatkin and
the Mallary McMorrow position that you mentioned, Crystal, which is
this recognition that even among Republicans there is horror at
what's happened over the course of particularly the last month,
and that's frustrating to people watching it for longer. But
(58:02):
I think what we're seeing is that trickle into the
political calculations in a way that it hasn't before. So
it's becoming as it really is becoming Trump as now
Christians who were very supportive of him. We covered Michael
Knowles a couple of weeks ago saying you're losing me,
and that was after the Catholic Church was hit. I
listened to Eric Prince on Bannon Show recently saying he
(58:22):
thinks that it was intentionally targeted. The cross on top
of the church, he thought was intentionally targeted. And when
you're losing, Eric Prince, you have brought.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
Its pretty bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad.
Speaker 7 (58:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Should we go ahead and transition to the premium show, guys,
and we can talk about the jobs numbers, the tariffs,
and the playlifts list importantly, Yes.
Speaker 6 (58:41):
Of course, before we do.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Just to note, Michael Tracy over at Mtracy dot Neett
wrote a piece rebutting what he took issue with from
Nick Bryant, who Crystal and I interviewed on Wednesday, a
guy who originally broke the Epstein Black Book story. And
Tracy has all kinds of this is over at his subject.
Tracy has all kinds of criticisms of what Bryant said,
(59:04):
but he particularly criticized I actually think rightfully a number
that Bryant listed for human trafficking. And that's, by the way,
I will just say, as a evangelical, there's a lot
of bad human trafficking stats that bounce around the religious
world because you know, it's it's there are a lot
(59:26):
of NGOs that work in that space, and there are
a lot of people who are genuinely concerned. But I
you know, these stats are so easy for great you're.
Speaker 6 (59:35):
Saying that there's an undercount or an overcount.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
There are a lot of stats that overcount also. Yes,
So here's I'm just going to read a bit from Tracy.
He says, well, here's he's quoting a study that Bryant
referred to, or he thinks refers to. He So he says,
this is the this is what the study says. Is
estimated that between fifteen thousand and fift as women and
(01:00:00):
children are forced into sexual slavery in the US every year,
and the total number varies wildly as is very difficult
to research. One study from the DHS estimate the number
between two hundred and forty and three hundred and twenty
five thousand. Now I looked into that. Elizabeth Nolan Brown
over at Reason has always for like, at least the
last decade has done a lot of work going through
(01:00:22):
those numbers, and so it's just worth noting you can
take a look at her work. I went to the
Department of Transportation. Their estimate, they say in twenty twenty three,
the National Human Trafficking Hotline received a total of thirty
thousand substance of signals nationwide and received reports of ninety
six hundred basically potential human trafficking cases, referencing seventeen thousand
(01:00:44):
potential victims. So these numbers are sadly a political football.
But Tracy wrote like a thousand word probably rebuttal to
Nick Bryant that people can check out if they want.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
All right, thanks for flagging that, m and for those
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There's one other?
Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Oh, we have Pam Bondi, And I think Bondi's might
be the worst.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I gotta take another look. There were some Yeah, there
were some questionable choices all the way around. But in
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Hey guys, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good girl show, Let's go, Let's go, Queen talk about
the boys. It was a big week over at Breaking Points.
I would say, yeah, we call some waves this week.
I don't think there's any doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Oh No, all the way to Colbert Waves, all the
way to Colbert.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
True. Yeah, where it really counts.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You know, it really happens unless Stephen Colbert talks about it.
As the saying goes the biz.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. That's why he's being
canceled because he's over the target.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Emily, that's right, that's right, well, so true, queen.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So yeah, we had the big Alyssa Slotkin interview this week,
I think perhaps even more significant, even though that got
like crazy, you know, attention, and I think kind of
forced her hand on this boat with Bernie Sanders will
talk more about that. We also had the interview yesterday
with the GHF whistleblower, former green Beret, which was just extraordinary.
You know, here's a man who served nine combat tours
(01:40):
rack Afghanistan, like has seen everything in war that you
would think that you could see. And I'm watching this
grown man shake and tear up as he describes what
is being done to human beings, not only by the Israelis,
by the way, this is important point, by American mercenaries
sent there, you know, with our taxpayer dollars, although actually
(02:00):
the funding of GHF is very sketchy. And yeah, I
really I hope people watch that interview because for someone
who has so much credibility in terms of serving theaters
of war, you know, just retired as a Green Beret,
to be that horrified and shocked to his core by
(02:22):
what our country is doing in Gaza. I think it
really to me a really sense of message, you know,
I hope that people are paying attention to People.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Are definitely paying attention. That interview has gone viral in
just less than twenty four hours, so it was great
stuff from you guys.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So we've got a lot to get to this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
There are new tariffs, there's new jobs numbers, we've got
new reaction to the Slotkin interview. We have a doctor
who's actually just back from Gaza to talk to us.
And I don't know if you guys know this, every
time we talk to someone who is either on the
ground in Gaza or just came back from Gaza, typically
in a specifically medical professional. I don't know why the
(03:03):
segments get nuked, They just get completely crushed in the algorithm.
But it's so important to hear the voices of doctors
who have been there on the ground, and you know,
to hear their words of what they're specifically seeing right now.
And we've also got Kamala Harris coming out potentially again
another Colbert another Colbert special here potentially positioning ourselves to
(03:24):
run for president. So lots of things to talk about
this morning.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Oh you forgot that we also have access to Jade
Vance's playlists apparently on Spotify, So.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I buried the lead. Sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That was really everything that we That's what we're really
covering today. The rest is a pretense to get you
to stick around to hear about Jady Vance's playlist.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
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Up Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, what should we start with? Guys?
What do we got here? Griffin?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, I'm trying to you know, enjoy my Stephen Colbert community.
But then all the comments have been over a run.
I don't know if you check this. Alyssa slot can
interview here, but I was here just to say ghostlot
can gold Colbert like raw raw rah. But the comments
here are are confusing me because every single one of
(04:15):
them seems to be about Breaking Points.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
We don't acceptable.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
We don't really like to you know, analyze comments sections.
We know that they can you know, uh, not be
fully representative of a reaction and and be maybe uh
but we didn't tell anyone to do this, Okay, we
didn't tell anyone to go brigade the Stephen Colbert YouTube channel, and.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We wouldn't because that is a sacred space. That is
a sacred space.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Maybe we're telling people go in and comments something else,
but right here we've got comments.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
If you're just listening.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Uh, these are all comments under h Alyssa Slockin's interview
with Stephen Colbert. H stuff like thanks to Breaking Points,
we now know the senator was recording this interview you
at the same time she was supposed to vote on
preventing further funding to Israel for offensive weapons. Another comment here,
slock and staff told her to go to Breaking Points
for publicity, then her pr told her to go to
(05:11):
Colbert's for damage control. Breaking Points interview really helps show
Senator Slockin's true character. Everyone needs to get her interviewed
on Breaking Points. That's how an interview should be handled.
And finally, Breaking Points really dropped the ball by not
asking Senator Slockin about her opinion on hot dogs versus
(05:31):
sandwich is true?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
True? We miss that, we missed. That didn't have time.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That was my next question before her staff was like
she she must leave this out right now.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah, yeah, I could.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I could tell they were really like rushing it up,
because you could tell like Sager was really really paying attention.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Sacer is more attentive to the staffers concerns that I am.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
This is this is the same dynamic. This is the
same dynamic with Ryan and me. I am like when
the staff is like we gotta go, I'm like okay, whatever.
And then and once I get like three warnings and
like Ryan stop.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, well, I mean the staffers, the staffers, they're going
to tell you she needs to go, like twenty minutes
before she actually wants to go, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That's the game. They know what we do.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, they know what we do, right, And you know,
obviously my interview was uncomfortable, but it wasn't going now
and that may factor into how long a time they decided.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They showed a lot to this.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But yeah, I you know, I was seeing the messages
from uh, from the guys in the control room, like Okay,
the staffer says she has to go. I'm like, well
go in a few minutes, like a couple more things
we want to get to you here. But interestingly she
also so she missed. We obviously pressed her on okay,
would you block aid like weapons to Israel, and she
(06:49):
starts saying, well, I think there's a distinction between offensive
and defensive, and Sager asks her, okay, well would you
would you block offensive weapons? And she says, that's a
conversation I'm open to. Then we get into an exchange
about defensive weapons. And this was before I knew. I
wish I had known, but this was before I knew
that Burning was going to offer these two resolutions on
(07:09):
blocking specifically offensive weapons. So she's very squishy in the interview,
doesn't commit, and then happens to decide that it's more
important to go to New York and film this appearance
of the Colbert Stephen Colbert. I still want to call
it the Colbert Report, but whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Oh don't you dare?
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Yeah's a good.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Name of that show.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, But in any case, she decides it's more important
to be there in New York with Stephen Colbert than
taking this vote to block weapons going into a genocide.
So this is noted by many people, and she put
out this like long tortured statement.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Kind of like a Tumblr post.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Here it's giving Ackman, you know Ackman for sure, and
she I mean, I don't need to give you all
of this, but she talks about I've struggled with this
blah blah bla more than any previous votes in the
nearly two years, she says. Ultimately, she claims that had
she bothered to be there, that she would have voted
(08:08):
for the resolution to block the weapons, and then she
goes on to say, you know, she'll evaluate on a
case by case basis in the future, just based on
I guess whether or not, like how fully and completely
they're starving and bombing Palestinians at that particular moment, So wherever.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
She's booked on late night at that evening, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
That too, right, Yeah, I mean you know, if Jimmy
Fallon calls, we all know what takes precedence. Right on
one side, you've got a genocide. On the other side,
you've got late night TV.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
So actually, this is how they can This is how
Dems actually should think about. If they ever don't want
something to pass, they just and it's a close vote,
they just have Fallon call it Slotkin. She's out of there.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
There you go, there you go, good call, good call
on that. So I don't know, what do you guys,
what do you guys think about the like what are
your thoughts on the state, because there's so many layers here.
I mean, first of all, like the inability to commit
to anything with us, and then she's like, can't bother
to be there and then puts out this long tortured
post that like, you weren't there to vote, So it's
sort of meaningless. But also it's not like she's committing
(09:13):
to do anything in the future either. It's just sort
of I don't know. It's just sort of classic like
political evasion and lack of prioritization of anything that could
actually matter, an addication of duty of like what power
you actually have as a United States editor.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's the best trick on Capitol Hill to miss the
vote and say how you would have voted. And so
her doing that on a critical vote for Democrats, at
least in the midst of this media tour is particularly
cowardly and not reflective of somebody leaning into a leadership
role in the party, which is exactly what she is
trying to do as she goes to all of these
(09:47):
different shows. So I have a question about that, and
then we can table it for the moment. But a
question is, so why she has pushed herself for exposure
over the course of just the last week. I mean,
obviously she's into this for presidential reasons. There are people
in the party. It seems to me very obviously there
are people in the party who are pushing her into
the mail for these reasons.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Now, on the other hand, we talked about this privately,
but I thought a couple of interesting things came out
of your guys's conversation. First of all, I mean a
lot of interesting things, but just in terms of reading
the tea leaves, she seems eager to look like she
was divorcing herself from Netanyahu and LCUD and the current
(10:30):
state of the humanitarian crisis.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
She seemed to me like she was leaning into that.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
But so she wanted to sort of be seen as somebody,
which is very interesting for like the mascot of moderate
Democrats to be doing. But she abu she couldn't execute,
of course, as we've discussed, But like that is in
and of itself, I think that's quite interesting. Her doing
breaking points is quite interesting because I think people are
(10:59):
starting to realize that the reason you lose podcasters and
young people is because you're not even in the arena
and so they're starting to make this calculation, this cost
benefit analysis, that it's better to be in the arena.
She knew she was alives. My theory would be that
she knew her staff knew that she was about to
get grilled.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But I think we all read that right.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
They we all knew she was coming in for something combative,
whether she knew how combative it would be, right.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So I just think that it's interesting that their cost
benefit analysis and it is leading them to it just
like going in and that might that might not be
permanent because of what happened on the show, to be honest,
and what will probably happen elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think they'll just choose instead to go on like
Brian Tyler Cohen or something, you know, like because now
and look, for a while, it was kind of unfair
because Republicans had a lot of safe spaces in podcast
world that they could go to and Democrats had fewer
of those safe spaces. But now there's safe spaces for
Democrats to go and like be sickly, get a cable
news treatment treatment just on YouTube. So I think that's
(12:05):
likely what happens. But the other I'm hoping and maybe
this is too self congratulatory. But I'm hoping, just from
a cynical perspective, because of how much attention that interview garnered,
and by the way, how much attention Tucker's interview of
Ted Cruz garnered, that maybe some of these cynical YouTube
(12:27):
podcast actors will realize that actually doing some preparation and
asking tough questions of political official, even if you just
care about views and clicks and clout, that's a pretty
good way to get those things, because people are interested
in seeing these individuals held to account. And obviously the
good reason to do that is because powerful people should
be held to account. And if you're going to stay
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on the one hand, yes, they're committing crimes against humanity
with an intentional starvation policy, and on the other hand,
I don't know if I'm going to do anything about it.
And by the way, I'm busy that night I got
to be at Colbert. Yeah, I think that that is
important in for for people to know about a United
States senator who clearly has presidential ambitions. So, you know,
it was extraordinary to see that. I know it's you know,
(13:09):
I guess it's sort of trivial, but it was extraordinary
to see the way that comment section you can scroll
and scroll and scroll in every comment who was about
her interview on Breaking Points. It's also an indication of
why Colbert is getting canned. I mean, I do think
it was political and Trump has something to do with it,
et cetera. But also, you know her, what she said
(13:31):
to us, and that exchange was vastly more impactful in
terms of the political conversation than you know, the the
bullshit softball spin that she was doing over on Colbert.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I'm also curious, Griffin, go ahead, go ahead, no no, no, no,
please go on with I was just gonna say, I'm
curious why she's making yourself available in media this week.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Seriously, Like, Oh, I do think I do think there's
a realization there was a There's this candidate in the
Senate primary in also in Michigan, Mallory mcmarrow.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Who is sort of like so there's Hailey.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Stevens, who's like the full APAC candidate, like she's like
the you know, most CIA aligned candidate there. And then
there's Abdulah Sayad who has been endorsed by Bernie.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
We've had him on the show.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think we're getting him back on the show next week,
actually who says it's a gedocide. Like he's very clear
and has been very morally clear on you know, the
atrocities being committed on Gaza. And then there's Mallory McMorrow,
who is like trying she's a Lizabeth candidate. She's trying
to find what's like, Okay, what can I say that's
going to be okay and dearborn, but it's not going
to like, you know, be unacceptable in terms of like
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the Israel status quo. And so she also has landed
on this position of like we need to block specifically
offensive weapons and very much a similar line to what
Slotkin was trying to peddle with us. So I think
there is a realization that when you have literally ninety
(15:04):
two percent of the Democratic base saying this is a
horror and it needs to stop and we are not
on board with this at all, when you have roughly
eighty percent that say this is a genocide, they have
realized that their position of just that we're with Israel,
it doesn't matter what they do has become completely politically.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Untenable from them.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But I don't think they realize yet that if you're
going to there's there's no like, you know, centrist position
on a genocide.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
If you're going to get better, that's right.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Like two years from O twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight,
I doubt Israel's popularity is going to be one to
eighty turned around, like yeah, it's only going to continue careering.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
So that's right.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I mean, it is a it is a toxic, toxic
position that's only going to get more toxic.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And the liberal Zionists, sorry, Grevin, and I want your
reflection on that. The liberal Zionist position is not tenable anymore.
It's just not time. And you saw this in the debate.
Did you watch Meddi's debate with the J Street Street
dude over on Podshave, Yeah, And I mean he just
ate that guy a lot. I mean, Meddi is very
good debater, so I wouldn't want to go up against
him either. But the guy's like, oh, you're always trying
(16:14):
to see the J Street guys, like you're always trying
to see things in black and white, and many says, well,
it's a genocide.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It is black and white.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And for people care about this, like that's just that
is if it's a genocide, that's happening. There's a moral clarity,
there is a moral and tactical by the way responsibility,
especially for people in power. So there are attempts to
kind of like find some centristy abundance style positioning on
a genocide is not going to be seen as any
(16:42):
better truly than like a John Fetterman position. I mean,
Fetterman's position in some ways makes more sense. It's just
like I support the murder and I'm not here for
the murder, and I.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Let's just do it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
There's is like, oh, well, I don't like the murderer,
but I'm still going to send the murder of the weapons.
It's like that makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
And with that J Street guy in particular, or you know,
I mean, I thought he had like kind of agreeable
takes on like a lot of stuff. He was like
basically agreeing with Mehdi on like every point, but then
when it came to like declariny to genocide, he's like, ultimately,
it hurts my feelings, and that's why I don't call
it a genocide. And we're we're kind of we're past feelings. Sorry,
we're into facts now, we're Shapiro mode. And so I
(17:23):
just yeah, I don't see any of that stuff turning around.
I just wanted to know one thing Emily was asking
why slock And came on the show, and something outside
of sort of the clips that have gone out on
breaking Points that was interesting for me was that Slotkin's
sort of line about herself was I'm the youngest senator
of the Democrats, which is like this thing where like
they've been trying to recreate Zoron and they're like, well,
(17:46):
what is it?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
What do people like about him? It's probably just that
he's young.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
So as long as we keep everything else the same,
as long as we keep like kneeling for Israel, but
we just get younger people kneeling for Israel, well then.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
That that'll be good.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
And yeah, it's like comparatively like slot Kin is like young,
I guess comparatively to the rest of the Senate. But
I just don't think that is going to really you know,
I don't think that's gonna pass muster.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But you know, she's forty nine.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
For the record, Okay, well listen, this is the Girl Show.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
She looks great for her age that I wanted to
play slock In, but it's kind of boring.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So do we want to just go straight to Kamala.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, we've slot in for this week.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, come on, let's let's let's rinse her mouths. So,
Kamala Colbert is like the place to be right at
the end here, isn't it. It's like all of a sudden,
Colbert's back on the map. He's got Kamala. Kamala is
coming here on Colbert to explain why she has said
that she is not going to be running for the
California governor.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Let's take a listen it.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
They're not running for the governor of California.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Correct, Even though in early Poland you'd beat every other
by double digits, you said you're gonna sit this one out.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Why are you saying the star you saving yourself for
a different office?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
That uh cheering is so disturbing. They also cheered for
slot kids like CIA propaganda.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
I am listen, I am a devout public servant. I
have spent my entire career in service of the people,
and I thought a lot about running for governor. I
love my state, I love California. I've served as just
elected district attorney, attorney general, and senator. But to be
very candid, with you. I am. You know, when I
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was a young young in my career, I had to
defend my decision to become a prosecutor with my family.
And one of the points that I made is, why
is it then, when we think we want to improve
a system.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Or family also thinks on.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
The outside, on bendedne or trying to break down the door.
Shouldn't we all so be inside the system? And that
has been my career, and recently I made the decision
that I just for now, I don't want to go
back in the system. I think it's broken. I think
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it's there's so much I mean, there are so many good.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
People who are publicized servants who do such good work,
teachers and firefighters and police officers and nurses and scientists, scientists,
and so it's not about them.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
But you know, I believe, and I always believed that
as fragile as our democracy is, our systems would be
strong enough to defend our most fundamental principles.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
And I think right now that they're.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Not as strong as they need to be. And I
just don't want to for now, I don't want to
go back in the system. I want to I want
to travel the country. I want to listen to people.
I want to talk with people, and I don't want
it to be transactional where I'm asking for their vote.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
They don't want to write.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I want to talk to her. Come on, breaking Kamala.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
He's selling a book. We will we will sell that book, Crystal.
Your immediate reaction. We haven't really talked abou Kamala almost
at all on the show since the election. This is
like one of her most public facing appearances. Yeah, what
was what's your take on what you just watched?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, I think what you just said is very revealing,
like as someone who's, oh my god, I've devoted my
life to public service, Like where have you been? There's
kind of a lot going on, you know, Like you
were warning that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Trump is a fascist.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I agree, and he's behaving as a fascist and it's
been worse than any of us could have imagined. And
you've had nothing to say about that. Like you told
us that you were, you know, your heart was breaking
over what was happening in Gaza. Where have you been
to say even say anything about that? So, like, I mean,
she's she's so hollow. She's trying to follow the Obama
(22:06):
model of being like a brand. She doesn't have nearly
the like charisma or talent to pull that off remotely.
And you know, it's just it's just if she actually
thinks she has a shot in a presidential primary, let
alone a general election, this is the most delusional person
on the planet. But based on what she said there,
(22:27):
I think she does. I think she's been convinced. And
you know, the polls will come out and they'll show her, yeah,
with you know, leading the Democratic primary, which is very
disturbing to me, but we all know, the moment that
she's actually out there on a debate stage, people will
be reminded of why it is that they didn't vote
for her back when she ran in twenty twenty and
how she, you know, was part of losing in twenty
(22:48):
twenty four. And I don't lay all of that at
her feet, because I think there were she came in
with a lot of baggage. But she also gets responsibilities
since she was the one on the ticket and made
some really bad decisions, especially down the stretch. So I
what happens with these politicians is they have people around them.
Kamala is very much a person who puts herself in
(23:09):
a bubble she's very cautious, you know, she's very sort
of brittle in terms of taking criticism, and so she's
got people around to her who would profit off of
her running for president.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So they're pumping her up. Look at this poll.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Look they love you. Look at go on, Colbert, See
how the audience is cheering for you. They'll you know,
they'll be delighted to have you back in. Like, it's
just it's it's absurd. Kyle and I have a disagreement
on this. He's concerned that Kamala could actually do well
in a primary.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
You're saying, don't trust the polls because we see her
name and maybe it's just name recognition.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Name recognition.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
She's I mean, there's just she there's a reason why
people rejected her the first time she ran. And even
putting every four while yes, that's right, and putting everything aside,
you think the Democratic electorate is going to put somebody
back up who's a proven loser. Like, if there's one
thing they're going to be desperate to do, it's going
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to be to pick someone who could maybe actually win.
So I, you know, I don't think there's any way
that she would be able to secure the nomination. I
guess you never know, but for me, that's not really
a fear.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I also wanted to point out something that's a connection
between that Kamala Harrison interview and Delisa Slotkin interview and
Stephen Colbert, and actually even Slotkin coming on breaking points
and talking to different people. Kamala Harrish just said her
primary reason for not running for governor of California. I
think we can probably all agree it's likely that she
(24:36):
does want to run for president again. Based on that interview,
it sounded like campaigny, but she said it was because
she thinks the system is broken. And that sounds like
a tested, strategized talking point, and that is about to
be a very deeply cynical, I think, a very deeply
cynical strategy of the Democratic Establishment. They have picked up
(24:59):
on the mood of the party base. When you have
the fighting Oligarchy tour going into red states, drawing massive
crowds of as Dave Weigel said, normy Dems, not just
you know, sort of burnie people. But that's the Democratic establishment.
And I would just tell people right now, you're about
(25:19):
to hear this ad nauseam until twenty twenty eight. It's
how Trump took some voters away from the Democratic Party.
And it's obviously very very easy to say, but it's
from people like Kamala Harris and Alyssa Slotkin. They know
that's the mood of the country. That was their first step.
They didn't understand it. They didn't acknowledge it. First step
is admitting you had a problem. They've been failing that
(25:40):
for a decade now, and they're about to adopt a
deeply cynical strategy of using that to try and I
guess sway people back to these moderate candidates.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well, and because Griffin, it's like, oh, the system's broken
or the institutions weren't strong enough.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It's like, lady, you were president, so you know. That's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's what annoys me, maybe more than anything, is when
they act like they are powerless or were powerless. Jeez,
I wish someone with some power had bolstered our institutions.
That seemed like a good thing to do while you
were literally vice president of the United States for four years.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean it was such a botched explanation too.
She was like, well, I worked in the system, but
now I don't want to be in the system because
the system is broken. Like she's like I argue with
my mom and dad about being a CA Like it
was just it was kind of all over the place,
and it reminded me because we haven't watched her in
so long. Like every time I'm like gets asked a question,
it's like she had never expected the question before. Like
(26:40):
she's like totally improv one oh one right, like just
trying to figure it out. It's like, this is the
most basic question you're going to get asked, why aren't
you running for governor? And what are you doing right now?
And it takes her four minutes of word vomit to
just kind of like just give the most like unconstructed
anti establishment. You know, we're going outside the established dent
(27:02):
of all time. And so it's like, but yeah, they
can say that to Emily if they're gonna run on
that twenty twenty six, twenty eight, But what's it gonna be,
like just a five percent tax credit if you're a
local business who's been in college and just graduated grad
school for POC businesses, Like, is that the anti establishment thing?
Like there's gonna be nothing else outside of like these
kind of just airy, garbled statements.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be more like, oh,
let's edit our videos like Zoran does.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
That's exact, you know, it's completely stylistic.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, yeah, So do you guys see this, This like
abundance centrist guy who's running with Reid Hoffman money in
New York City against Jerry Nadler. And he's doing like
the Zoron like cuts and like even sort of stylistically,
like his font looks a little Zorani and then his
politics are just like the literal polar opposite and he's
challenging Jerry Nadler from the right, and his whole pitch
(27:56):
is just like I'm young and I've got cool videos.
You like me, right, I'm like the next Zoran. It's
it's so cynical and it's and everyone sees immediately through it.
It's the same thing with the peak clip that we
Emily you and I popped where he's like, I think
the key to Zoran wasn't really about his ideology.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
It was you know, it's right.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I mean, that's and that's part of why Sluckin came
on breaking points, like to bring it back to that
it's because that's the sort of lessons they took, is
just like we need to go on podcasts, we need
to edit videos differently, like we need to smile more,
like just the most surface level stuff. And it's like, no,
people like this guy because they see that he actually
stands for something, and in particular, one thing he stands
for is like adamantly opposing a genocide even as everyone
(28:42):
is like smearing him as being an anti Zemite for
doing that. So yeah, they, I mean, they just they
want to take all of the the visual grammar of
an anti establishment and maybe some of the like surface
level rhetoric and then offer to your point Griffin, like
tax credits for people who make less than twenty five
thousand dollars in certain disadvantaged neighborhoods.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Got free books, Zorn's, Got free buses, Kamala's Got fire
buses with a monthly subscription service. Yeah, like this kind
of leads to what she's selling here, which is her
new book, one hundred and seven Days.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Who wants to read this?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And oh is this for and for people just listening
on a podcast? So the cover it says one hundred
and seven Days. It looks a lot kind of like
an airport book. I mean, I don't do this kind
of just like struck me before we played the video,
but like after two years of Israel Palestine, looking at
the numbers ten to seven on a book like just
(29:46):
kind of.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Like threw me off.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I didn't even pick up on that.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I don't know. That's that's just what I saw right
off the gate. Here. But let's hear what she has
to say about the book here go.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
I launched my campaign for president of the United States
one hundred and seven, traveling the country fighting for our future.
The shortest presidential campaign in modern history. It was intense,
high stakes, and deeply personal for me and for so
many of you. Since leaving office, I've spent a lot
(30:18):
of time reflecting on those days, talking with my team,
my family, my friends, and pulling my thoughts together, in essence,
writing a journal that is this book one hundred and
seven Days with candor and reflection, I've written a behind
the scenes account of that journey. I believe there's value
(30:39):
in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what
I know it will take to move forward.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
All right, So that's basically it.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And this like this comes in the context of that
Jake Tapper book about Biden's decline that was like a
huge bestseller.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Do we think that there's going to even be a
pay on that in this book?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Because that would be the only thing to get kickstar
Kamala for twenty twenty eight is to completely throw Biden
under the bus. And honestly, that was the only moment
where she popped in the primaries, when she threw Biden
under the bus on busing, So true, is any of
that going to be in this book? Is there even
(31:23):
going to be a page? What's your prediction?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, I mean even okay, she may make some vague
allusion to it, But that's the reason I.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Say, who is this book for?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Because it's not like you could think that this woman
is going to like actually tell you the truth. She's
going to give you her like propagandized version of what happened.
And so if you're a Republican, you're certainly not interested
in that. If you're a Democrat, I don't think any
Democrats really want to relive that election and what happens,
and you know, the ultimate loss plus is just not
(31:56):
going to be honest. So no, I mean it's just
an excuse for her to travel the country and do
her book tour and you know, imagine that she could
be president of the United States.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Ye has some soft image we had before anything happens
in the cycle. I mean, that's what publicists tell you
to do. And so who's this book for. Probably the
publisher who will make money when she goes and gives
paid speeches where they buy the book, and it's an
excuse then also go on a speaking tour, an immediate tour,
and I'm sure she got a decent advance for it.
So that's I'm sure that's what it's about.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Now.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I would be surprised if there wasn't, to Crystal's point,
some vague illusion to Biden's issues in the book, just
because even again from the cynical perspective, it's so obvious
that people are mad about it and curious about it
and all of that. So, but I don't think it
goes beyond something that's like typical Kamala Harris canned predictable
(32:53):
and you learn basically nothing. It's the opposite of the
candor that she's promising in that clip. I've never seen
Kamala Harris be candid once in my life.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
About food.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's what I was gonna say. She loves cooking.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's what I see her, like authentically in her joy
like doing the thing, and she's in her element.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I'm like, just go like started cooking YouTube.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Like female vice president to go back to the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's part of vibe shift, part of my new you know,
part of being anti woke. I have to make up
for my take on Sidney Sweeney earlier this week.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
So that's where what I'm here for.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
All right, Well, I think we have I think we
have our doctor standing by, So why don't we go ahead? Yeah,
why don't we go ahead and bring her in?
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Griffin Absolutely, we are joined right now with doctor Amberine Salimi.
She's a Brooklyn based eurocologist. So sorry to bumble that
one an executive director for International Medical Response. We usually
returned home from volunteering at Nasier Hospital in Gaza, where
she was stationed for approximately three and a half weeks.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Doctor. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
It's great to be here.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, of course, so thank you not only for being
with us, thank you for the work that you were
doing in Gaza. We actually just talked to a whistleblower
as a former Green Beret who was working at one
of these quote unquote a eight distribution sites, and he
was actually telling us how a lot of the you know,
the people who were being massacred then they would be
brought to NASA Hospital where you were working. So I
(34:33):
was wondering if you could talk a little bit about
what you saw, what type of injuries were coming in.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Sure, we were I think one of the closest hospitals
in southern Gaza to the major GHF site that was
in the south, So it was almost like clockwork the
mass casualty events that would come in through the er
at any point during every single day. Once the GHF
(35:02):
site would open up a few hours later, there would
just be hundreds of people brought in with gunshot wounds
and it would range anywhere from kids to you know,
adults and older people. It would be mostly men and
(35:23):
boys because these were the you know, people who could
go and possibly get food, walk back the many many
kilometers with you know, a twenty five pound bag of flour.
But you could tell immediately that people were coming from
the GHF site because the er would just be full
(35:47):
beyond capacity. And when I say er capacity, it's not
like beds. Its floor space, any space available, because it
was you know, well over the number of beds, just
any floor space available.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Families would bring their less ones.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
Or rescue workers or whoever happened to be there, and
it would be on donkey parts, it would be an ambulances,
it would be on blankets held between two other people,
just to get somebody into the er.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
So it was pretty talk to us.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Can you also talk to us about treating malnutrition or
what you saw people coming in with famine conditions, starvation?
How much of that did you see as well?
Speaker 8 (36:34):
So I just wanted to, first of all, just point
out that I went with an organization called Batamol, which
is a US based organization out of Texas. Very few
organizations are given permission by the Israelis to actually enter Gaza,
and I think a remarkable number of people are rejected
with no reason given. So that was just one thing
I wanted to clear up. The other one was that
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I spent most of my mornings and days in the
maternity hospital, so I had and not many volunteers are
led in to go work as Obgan's and eurogenecologists because
obviously trauma orthopedics burns are more needed. But I felt
(37:16):
really privileged to be able to work in the maternity
hospital with amazing colleagues and also helped take care of
pregnant women, but also women who came in.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
With gynecologic conditions.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
And everybody who came in showed some form of malnutrition.
And I mean from the patients that came in that
were pregnant, from our gynecologic patients that came in with
chronic conditions that hadn't been treated for years, to the
babies that were born to women who were malnourished came
out obviously much smaller than expected. And also the healthcare
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workers like my colleagues, my obgyan colleagues, the nurses and
all the staff anesthesia would show pictures from before times
before the siege of what they looked like, and you
could tell immediately that there was a massive amount of waste,
weight loss, and also just that you could see bones
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that in normal healthy individuals we don't see. So the
malnutrition and the effect of the acute blockade which started
in March, where Israel did not let any food in
or supplies to a more chronic condition over even before
(38:32):
October twenty twenty three, there was always limited amount of
aid that would come in for about twenty years. So
you're seeing sort of this siege which is the last
few months now, on top of chronic malnourishment.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
And this is what we saw.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
And I think the pictures that people are seeing now
which we saw in person, again, I can just speak
to my experience. Was you know, it was just it
was very remarkable. It was very remarkable.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
How long were you in Gaza, doctor?
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I was there just short of four months. I was
supposed to leave, I'm sorry, for four weeks. I was
supposed to leave it the three week mark, and we
because of safety concerns, actually our exit was was canceled,
which was a little concerned.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, I would, I'm sure it was. I know you're
not here to complain about your own discomfort, but I
am curious, you know, what about were you able to
to eat, have sufficient meals nutrition, because we also are
seeing reports of medical workers who are fainting and collapsing
and dizzy making rounds and trying to treat patients.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And I was just that your own safety. Did you
feel as though you know, somebody who's treating people you
were safe?
Speaker 8 (39:50):
Well, okay, let me answer the first questions. As volunteer
doctors who were there for a very limited time, we
were allowed and actually told to bring in and food
if we wanted to for ourselves, but nothing more because
at the border everything was scrutinized and looked at, and
if it looked like you were bringing in I'm sure
(40:11):
you've heard stories of baby formula that was taken away,
extra baby formula that was not allowed. So people who
like in my situation, we were taken care of because
we brought in our own, our own food for a
time the time needed. But what we did see was
all our colleagues and the staff in the hospital, including patients,
(40:34):
got maybe one meal a day. And right before I left,
about a week before I left, World Central Kitchen, which
was supplying a lot of the hospitals, ran out of food,
so that one meal would also be like just a
small bowl of rice, you know, with maybe some lentils
in it or some combination of that, and then that
would be it. And then physicians and nurses again there
(40:58):
was there's no really great supply of clean water, so
people are dehydrated, and absolutely we would need to put
in ivs to hydrate people so that they could continue
doing the work of taking care of others.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
But everybody did speak about.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
How hungry they were and how hard it was to
find food.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
That was a daily conversation that was happening.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
I wanted to ask you about what you said about,
you know, one hundred people a day coming in Shot,
coming in from these GHF AID sites. Now like one
hundred people coming in shot to a hospital in America
would overwhelm it with their modern resources, with all the
doctors being fully fed. What does that look like for
(41:43):
a hospital? Like, what is one hundred people coming in shot?
How many are you even able to treat or save
in those moments? And then kind of a part two
of my question is you know, we had a recent
whistleblower who worked at the GHF AID sites on what
is your impression of the g h F and their
aid delivery?
Speaker 8 (42:05):
So one the impression I can make from what I
saw and talking to my surgical colleagues who I would
join after maternity in the afternoon, I would go to
the general o RS and help where I could. And again,
we all lived collectively, so conversations were constantly going on
about what came in through the er, what the pattern
(42:27):
was that we saw from the g h F, And
there was a clear pattern of you know, shooting.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
That looked like it was target practice.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
I mean this week. They have documented in the e
RS and the o RS when they wrote their notes
that one day it would be you know, Torso's, one
other day it would be Legs. Another time there was
a string of you know, genital shots that would would
come in through the er. And I think that to
(42:57):
try to see two million people that are starving with
a few centralized sites and with a system that I
can only describe as target practice or some sort of
you know, squid games hunger games type of situation is
(43:19):
not a good system. It's a dehumanizing system. It's a
system meant to humiliate people who are starving. That's what
I can tell you. We were obviously not allowed near
close to the sites. We couldn't even really leave the
hospital compound because the.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Area outside was a red zone.
Speaker 8 (43:40):
Speaking about safety, and again we are limited in We
knew that we would be there for an x amount
of time and hopefully be able to leave. But I
really think that we need to consider the people who
are living this every single day for now twenty twenty
one months.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
This is the daily life of somebody.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
It's unimaginable, unable to leave.
Speaker 8 (44:03):
Because it's also true that there is no safe place
in Gaza. Regularly, in addition to GHF's injuries that would
come in, we would always have a steady stream of people, men, women, children,
babies who were suffering burns, injuries and shrapnel from the
(44:26):
bombs that were constantly going off, and bullets from quad
copters that were constantly targeting civilians. So this is the reality.
It wasn't just GHF's site injuries coming in. It was
a constant flow of other types of injuries from bombs.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
What does Gaza look like at this point?
Speaker 8 (44:52):
I had a limited view because of where I was,
but it looks utterly decimated. And we can all see
pictures of what Basa used to look like. It's available
on the internet, and you cannot believe that the Gaza
I saw and my colleague saw was the Gaza of
(45:16):
the videos from before. It looks utterly decimated. It looks
like a wasteland. Almost all the buildings have been bombed, collapsed,
and then in the middle of that in these areas
where civilians are supposed to live, are just tents after
tents after tents, like kilometers and kilometers and kilometers of
(45:40):
tense cities everywhere, and these go basically up until the
shore of the ocean, of the sea, up until the sea.
And this is where people have been dislocated to after
being told, you know, multiple times, three, four or five
times throughout this genocide that they have to move, pack
(46:03):
up their kids, pack up everything, take what you can,
and quickly, very quickly leave and go to another tent site.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
And so that's that's what I could tell you. It
looks like now.
Speaker 8 (46:15):
There was a balcony off of our accommodations in the
hospital because we all we all lived in the hospital
for our entire stay. It was a balcony and it
looked south towards Rafa. And I really think about the
time when all eyes were on Rafa at the end
of last year, and I will tell you Rafa is
flattened because you could see Rafa.
Speaker 7 (46:37):
And because it's.
Speaker 8 (46:38):
Flattened, you could see the Rafa crossing from the balcony,
and the Rafa crossing right beyond that is where all
the ad trucks were being blocked from coming in, so.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
This is what you could see.
Speaker 8 (46:54):
You could also see in my four weeks there the
site even to the Mediterranean or was also visible as
more and more buildings were just collapsed while I was there,
because again the hosp Naser Hospital was in a red
zone and there was a time where we were really
worried about security once we had just gotten there a
(47:15):
few days afterwards where the hospital was under siege. There
were tanks in the street right outside. There was a
real fear in the hospital because the year prior, Nasser
actually was invaded by the Israeli military and people were,
you know, fled, Some people healthcare workers and doctors were
(47:36):
kidnapped and some of whom still.
Speaker 7 (47:39):
Are being held.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
And we don't know exactly where. There's a graveyard right
on the grounds of nass they call it the graveyard
where bulldozers had come through and there was a tent
city there that was supposed to be a safe zone
and it was actually just bulldozed over by the Israeli military.
(48:03):
And you people found IV poles, people still attached to
ivy poles, because you have to remember, in especially in
a hospital setting, you have people who have severe burns
and bandaged amputations. They're in wheelchairs, they're weak, they're malnourished,
their star they cannot just evacuate, right, So that just
(48:25):
became a very huge graveyard, which is now I.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Wanted to ask specifically about the starvation. You know, there's
been a lot of debates in American media about the starvation.
What we know is that a lot of people are
entering stage five of malnutrition, and I was wondering if
you could explain to our audience not only what your
view is on the from what you've seen in your
(48:49):
experience the extent of the.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
Starvation in Gaza, but also what.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
It takes medically to save people that are at that
level of malnutrition, Like what would act take to medically
save people at that point.
Speaker 8 (49:05):
So what I saw personally and what my colleagues were
reporting is that there is you know, a huge amount
of malnourishment and starvation. And this is what we saw
on our patients, all of our pregnant patients, the babies
being born. Like I said, and stage five, there is
a point that you reach in starvation where you have
(49:25):
to be very careful then about reintroducing food. So it's
not just that you can start feeding people immediately at
this point in starvation, because there's such an imbalance in
electrolytes and nourishment that it has to be done in
a very careful way.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
So it's not.
Speaker 8 (49:43):
Just that you're letting in you know, more beans and
lentils and flower You need to be letting in the
proper nutrition. You need to be letting in you know,
magnesium and phosphate and all these you know, electrolytes that
have to be in the appropriate balance. Otherwise the body
system will actually, you know, you'll end up in a coma.
(50:07):
And this feeding, if it's not done properly, people will
die from actually the refeeding.
Speaker 7 (50:12):
So that's a huge concern. It's not just you know,
letting in food aid.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
It's it's letting in nutritional balance and the right the
right amount of balance so people don't die from being fed.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Doctor, the the last question I had for you is,
let's say that they open the floodgates for food and
nutrition and medicine and everything that the population needs.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
At this point, you know, what will be the lifelong.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
What will be the lifelong consequences of you know, those
babies who were born suffering from malnutrition, these young children
whose little bodies and brains are trying to grow and
don't have nearly the caloric resources and nutrition to be
able to do. So, you know, even if you completely
open and the floodgates, now, what does the fallout look like?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Right?
Speaker 8 (51:03):
So I think that's such an important question, and thank
you for bringing that up. I believe that there are
many babies that were conceived and born at the beginning
of you know, from October twenty twenty three, and already
again with those that are now one years old or
even more, they're going to have long term effects for malnutrition.
(51:28):
Just imagine the you know, the stunting, the mental, mental growth,
psychological trauma is going to be huge, and I'm not
sure people are going to be ready to, but we
have to be ready to able to be able to
confront that.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
And deal with that.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
Also the mental trauma that everybody, all populations are going
to be suffering with, but also the starvation. I mean
we talk about when we take our kids to the pediatricians,
they're looking for you know, these very specific you know,
growth milestones, right, and how worried they are about meeting
these milestones and nutritionally everybody's got their growth weight. You know,
(52:09):
if you have kids, you know you're always looking at
the growth chart and making sure our kids are on
that growth chart. But what it means when you don't
hit those milestones are going to be long term effects
to brain development, to physical development, and also the psychological
trauma and in particular kids, but adults too. You know,
we can't forget about that. And I think it's it's
(52:32):
going to be a very profound, profound impact that this siege,
starvation and just the trauma of the bombings.
Speaker 7 (52:42):
And the genocide is going to have on the population.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, well, doctor, thank you so much again for spending
some time with us and sharing you know, your your
testimony about what you witnessed. I think it is comes
at just such an absolutely critical moment, and we're incredibly
great to you for that.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
It's our pleasure.
Speaker 7 (53:04):
Doctor.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
All right, Well that was doctor Sleemy. We're all very
grateful for her coming on the show and for doctors
like her who are risking their safety to go work
over in what seems like hell on earth.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
To be honest, yeah, I have to say people like
her give me hope for humanity. I mean, the barbarism
that we see unchecked on a daily basis makes me
feel pretty dark about as like a species sometimes. And
but then on the flip side of it, you see
absolute angels like that woman who you know, gave up
(53:43):
a month of her life to go and be in
a war zone in the worst conditions you can imagine,
at great physical and personal risk, and you know, it's
it's an extraordinary things.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
Just feel that way about Aguilar, who we had on
the show, that absolutely that gave me hope because it's like,
you know, you think about you know, these military guys,
these army guys, but like you know, he never shot
his gun the entire time he was there.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
He led with you.
Speaker 5 (54:11):
Know, bravery, encourage, and uh, he's put a target on
his back for what he has said on our show
and on other shows, and he's just doing it because
it's the right thing to do. So yeah, I've definitely
seen examples of they give me hope right now.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, like we should mention Wick Cough is actually in Gaza,
or was in Gaza for this like little propaganda stunt
where they oh, look everything's going great.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
We're not shooting at people.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Don't worry that we're not massacring Palestinians on a literal
daily basis for no reason at all and luring them
into what, you know, Tony Aguilar called intentional death traps.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
So, you know, the just.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I don't even know what you what you say about
it at this point. So it's so dark and feels
so you know, like there's no end in sight.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Really.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
I think it's also worth noting that Trump, this was
a story that broke yesterday. Trump in the Times of
Israel was quoted as having told a donor it's a
total anonymously sort of story, but telling a donor that
the magabase was turning against Israel, which is quite interesting.
(55:27):
And then I'll share this, he was. Trump was taking
questions from reporters yesterday, and he ended up saying, right here, sorry,
I'm sharing my screen. He ended up saying, well, okay,
He ended up saying, this is really meta. I'm stopping.
(55:49):
I'm just gonna read the quote he ended up saying.
It was asked if he agrees with Marjorie Taylor Green
that there's a genocide in Gaza, Trump said, quote, Oh,
it's terrible. What's occurring there. Yeah, it's a terrible thing.
People are very hungry. And then he said part of
the problem is Hamas taking the money and food. So
(56:10):
that's where Trump is. But it reminds me.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Of even the Israelis say that's not true. I mean,
that was the New York Times report they had. Israeli
military officials would say, that's just not true. I mean
we all know, like we all know, that's a total,
incomplete lie. We just heard the doctors say, look, all
the AID is lined up there at the border. They
just won't let it through, you know. And that's the
other thing that pisses me off about the pretext of
the wit Cough visit is he supposed to be there
to like study a plan for what we could do.
(56:32):
It's like, you don't need to study a plan. The
un knows how to operate. Just let them operate and
you know, call off the Israelis so that they're not
shooting at AID workers and are allowing them in for
multiple crossings by the way, too, because that's an issue.
If you just let in a few trucks through one crossing,
oh yeah, guess what a starving population is going to
(56:54):
mob those trucks immediately and grab whatever they can. Survival
of the fittest stare for.
Speaker 6 (57:01):
AID sites when there needs to be like forty at least.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
No four hundred.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
That's what the that's what the UN was operating, was
four hundred AID sites. They had kitchens and bakeries throughout
the entire Gaza strip, And so you know the idea
that you can. I mean, the intention of GHF was
never to feed the population. That was never the intention.
The intention of GHF is to weaponize military aid, to
(57:28):
use it to create further displacement and misery, all wrapped
in this sort of like pr of Oh, look at
us giving a bag of lentils to this starving child.
Speaker 6 (57:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
I was just to say the Trump comments remind me
sort of similar to what we're seeing from Slatkin and
the Mallary McMorrow position that you mentioned, Crystal, which is
this recognition that even among Republicans there is horror at
what's happened over the course of particularly the last month,
and that's frustrating to people watching it for longer. But
(58:02):
I think what we're seeing is that trickle into the
political calculations in a way that it hasn't before. So
it's becoming as it really is becoming Trump as now
Christians who were very supportive of him. We covered Michael
Knowles a couple of weeks ago saying you're losing me,
and that was after the Catholic Church was hit. I
listened to Eric Prince on Bannon Show recently saying he
(58:22):
thinks that it was intentionally targeted. The cross on top
of the church, he thought was intentionally targeted. And when
you're losing, Eric Prince, you have brought.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
Its pretty bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad.
Speaker 7 (58:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Should we go ahead and transition to the premium show, guys,
and we can talk about the jobs numbers, the tariffs,
and the playlifts list importantly, Yes.
Speaker 6 (58:41):
Of course, before we do.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Just to note, Michael Tracy over at Mtracy dot Neett
wrote a piece rebutting what he took issue with from
Nick Bryant, who Crystal and I interviewed on Wednesday, a
guy who originally broke the Epstein Black Book story. And
Tracy has all kinds of this is over at his subject.
Tracy has all kinds of criticisms of what Bryant said,
(59:04):
but he particularly criticized I actually think rightfully a number
that Bryant listed for human trafficking. And that's, by the way,
I will just say, as a evangelical, there's a lot
of bad human trafficking stats that bounce around the religious
world because you know, it's it's there are a lot
(59:26):
of NGOs that work in that space, and there are
a lot of people who are genuinely concerned. But I
you know, these stats are so easy for great you're.
Speaker 6 (59:35):
Saying that there's an undercount or an overcount.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
There are a lot of stats that overcount also. Yes,
So here's I'm just going to read a bit from Tracy.
He says, well, here's he's quoting a study that Bryant
referred to, or he thinks refers to. He So he says,
this is the this is what the study says. Is
estimated that between fifteen thousand and fift as women and
(01:00:00):
children are forced into sexual slavery in the US every year,
and the total number varies wildly as is very difficult
to research. One study from the DHS estimate the number
between two hundred and forty and three hundred and twenty
five thousand. Now I looked into that. Elizabeth Nolan Brown
over at Reason has always for like, at least the
last decade has done a lot of work going through
(01:00:22):
those numbers, and so it's just worth noting you can
take a look at her work. I went to the
Department of Transportation. Their estimate, they say in twenty twenty three,
the National Human Trafficking Hotline received a total of thirty
thousand substance of signals nationwide and received reports of ninety
six hundred basically potential human trafficking cases, referencing seventeen thousand
(01:00:44):
potential victims. So these numbers are sadly a political football.
But Tracy wrote like a thousand word probably rebuttal to
Nick Bryant that people can check out if they want.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
All right, thanks for flagging that, m and for those
of you who want to hear about the jobs report,
the tariffs, and also Jadie Vance's eyebrow raising Spotify playlist,
along with who else do we have Mike Johnson?
Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
There's one other?
Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Oh, we have Pam Bondi, And I think Bondi's might
be the worst.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I gotta take another look. There were some Yeah, there
were some questionable choices all the way around. But in
any case, if you want to see all of that,
go to breakingpoints dot com. Thank you guys so much
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