8/21/25: AI Bubble, Netanyahu On Triggernometry, Israel Invades Gaza City, Tim Dillon Shreds Trump DC Deployment

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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Indeed we do.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
First we are asking the question, is the AI bubble popping?
I guess is there an AI bubble and it's topping?
I think the bubble part is pretty.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Definitive, yes, But the popping is the question. The question,
but there are some very interesting signs. Just as a
lot we're going to.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Dig into that very important topic. We are also going
to take a look at bb sat down with the
gentleman of triggernometry, so producer Griffin hold a couple clips
for us to react to. This all comes as the
invasion of Gaza City has begun. Tim Dillon is sounding
off on the DC National Guard situation. Had some protests
here in the city yesterday against Steven Miller and Jade Vance.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Will take a look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
We also have Megan Kelly sitting down with Marjorie Taylor
Green some interesting comments and revelations there. Sager has an
update for us on that Israeli alleged pedophile who was
able to fly out of the country, digging into exactly
how that unfolded and what is going to happen next.
He also has some thoughts about this new war on
property taxes. Well, I hope you'll join me, because I

(01:36):
will join you. But I just want to give you credit.
This is your your thing.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
If I had the time to do the monologue, I
would have. But I have been just going down. I've
had the baby in one arm and property tax chat
ept in the other, and I have just been you.
I'm getting more radicalized by the day, Boomers. I'm already
going to warn you if you watch this segment, it's
going to piss you off. I don't care. I don't care.
I'm doing this for the what.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Direction I'm here describe your radicalization?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh, I'm much more in favor of the young. Like
I mean, we are living in a country which has
socialism for the old and rugged individualism for the young.
So if we're going to have anything, it should be flipped.
If I think most people would.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I don't even think it's rugged individualism for young. It's
like the deck is stackedical.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, I agree. No, I mean it's not
even like rugged individualism now at this point, it's actually
the opposite, where the boomers are using their oppressive political power,
tax status, and wealth to literally oppress the lower classes
to force us to pay for their dialysis. So I will,
I will. I just can't get over it. Like the
more numbers that I have been crunching and all of this,

(02:36):
I'm in shock. I'm a naive that I did not
look into this earlier. And it's all coming to head
with Florida, Texas and an increasingly number of red states
which are already zero tax states, wanting to do away.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
With running running on getting rid of the property.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
He is and this is, this is entirely driven by seniors.
So anyway, I'll go out one.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, and I'm going to take a look at the
rise of a new Jenix movement coming out a Silicon Valley,
but in being represented various sectors of society. There was
a wild interview with this lady with Ross Dalfat who
she is a founder of a company where you can
do this like embryo selection and very dystopian interview and
very dystopian future and present possibilities, I would say going

(03:19):
on there, So I'll dig into all of that before
we do. Though, thank you so much for those of
you who have been supporting the show, enabling the great
reporting that Saga has been doing this week, enabling the
expansion into you know, the full week Friday show as
well as you guys know, the premium subscribers were the
first ones, that's right, the world to get to see
the official arrest notes of that alleged Israeli pedophile.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
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Speaker 1 (03:43):
I do really like it means a lot for them
to support our journalism because it's literally that thing of
scratching an itch and just putting in the work. I mean,
it took a lot of work actually get those documents.
It was a lot of time on the phone. And
I've familiarized myself with Las Vegas. By the way, to
our Las Vegas audience, I feel sorry for you guys.

(04:03):
You live in a mafia state, like I'm really beginning
to learn. And when I break down this story, it's nuts,
like the who the lawyer is, the connections to Israel,
the Adleson mafia, who run the state, who owned the
largest newspaper. I mean, I am getting radio silence from
the Las Vegas, Nevada political establishment, and like the word

(04:25):
has come down. But the good news is that people
are pissed off the rank and file in Henderson, in city,
in the police department, amongst the FBI and others. So
I'm hoping that there'll be some more exclusive reportings soon. Yeah. Anyway,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Great from joints dot com if you can sign up
and help us out. Sager, what are we looking at
with AI?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
We're looking at the AI bubble and potential signs of popping.
I mean, this is one of those where everybody's predicted
it for quite some time and everyone's wondering if this
is going to be like two thousand all over again.
And there are some signs that happened just yesterday. Let's
go and put this up there on the screen. The
US text the stocks slipped as investors quote rotate towards

(05:02):
defensive sectors. So what they talk about specifically is that
a decline in US stocks extended into Wednesday quote as
concerns about the durability of the rally and artificial intelligence
shares prompted a shift into defensive sectors. So specifically, the
tech heavy Nasdaq was down some point seven percent, while
the blue chip S and P just lost by point
two So what they say is that the big tech

(05:24):
groups specifically are coming under selling pressure following one or
two percent. Palenteer stocks actually down some twenty percent just
in the last couple of days. There's a big question
exactly as to why. A lot of it has to
do with capital expenditure. And what I think we've tried
to highlight here on the show previously is that a
significant part of the reason that US GDP remains okay

(05:48):
at the top line figure is all because of AI
data spending, and that's really dangerous because it's not broad
based over the economy. It doesn't mean that people are
feeling confident in America. What it also means is that
Mark Zuckerberg could quite literally engineer an entire recession if
he just paused the current rate of AI data spending,

(06:09):
and we're already seeing some indications that that could happen. Similarly,
there are increasing numbers of studies about the promise of AI.
This is what people need to always remember. With the
stock market, it's always looking at future value. It's about
the promise of set technology. So the expectation of Nvidia
value of AI is not just their current use, but
about what it may unlock for the future. So let's

(06:30):
put this passage up very importantly, because what they say
is that some traders on Wall Street are pinning some
of the decline on a new report which is actually
released on Monday by MIT, which said that quote, ninety
five percent of organizations are getting zero return from their
investments in generative AI, the technology that obviously sent the

(06:52):
stocks to the moon. It says, the story is spooking people.
Just five percent of integrated AI pilots are extracting millions
of dollars in value, while the vast majority remains stuck
with no measurable profit and loss impact. So this is
about a question of productivity. It's about a question of
what this will actually unlock for the future. I mean,

(07:12):
I've talked here previously about how a lot of the
pie and the Sky promises may ultimately just be marketing,
and most of it is just about eliminating like very
entry level scut work for me personally, Like I use
chat ept at ai every day. I use it for math,
like to compute various like I was talking about property taxes,
to be able to do like a large sum math,

(07:35):
which is actually quite good at and for research. But
all that's really doing is saving me sometime while conducting research.
And as you also know, with chat GPT, you actually
have to go in and check most of the figures.
So I mean, look, that's great. I mean that definitely
starts me time and it's convenient. But is that unlocking
like billions of dollars in potential here for breaking points

(07:55):
like at this point we've been living in this environment
for three years. Yeah, it's not. You know, Oh, you
can do a little bit more of a thumbnail. I
can crunch some data everyone, and while I will upload
the analytics so they like, oh, tell me about some
standout things. But actually YouTube analytics are pretty good at that.
They've been pretty good at that for years. You know,
I haven't seen a lot of the promises yet, and
where we literally run a business and so is helpful,

(08:17):
and if anything, we made want of the run a business,
which is supposed to be like most impacted for creative
endeavors for you know, a lean startup kind of machine.
So then I think about it at the enterprise level,
and they're not seeing a lot of it either. Like
it's making things a little bit easier, but that's not
the same thing as unlocking trillions of dollars in value.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think it could both be the case.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
That AI in the same way that the you know,
the Internet bubble, the dot com bubble ended up there
were a lot of companies that were not real and
that didn't have any sort of real revenue model and
that ultimately went bust. But also that the technology ends
up being quite disruptive and quite you know, transformational. I
think those things could both be the case. That's where

(08:58):
I suspect we're going. But yeah, I mean, as of
right now, it's like replacing entry level workers which is
not great replacing Google, which you know, is not really
like changing the game.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's changing a.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Lot of sort of Internet dynamics and Internet revenue models,
but is not sort of transformational completely cheating on tests
and porn basically, Like I mean, it's very again, very
reminiscent of the Internet, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Sure the startups that will succeed.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Immediately in the near term are the ones that are
like most plugged into the porn economy is probably where
things are going to be going.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I also think.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's very likely, you know, when you look at those
stats of ninety five percent of these AI companies are
don't have a revenue model. It reminds very much of
the like the media boom, where you had all of
these like startup media companies that were supposed to be
a pealing to millennials that would get huge traffic, or
at least claim to get huge traffic, and there was
an assumption that they'd be able to figure out how

(09:55):
to fully monetize that, and often that did not come
to fruition. I think probably because we are in an
era of mass industry consolidation where monopolies sort of rule
the economy. We're probably going to end up with one
or two or three, just a handful of winners in
the AI economy.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
And they plan on that. They even say that openly, Well,
that's kind of an arms race.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's exactly right. It's an arms race.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
You know, we think nationally of the arms race between
the US and China, but each of these companies individually
are in an arms race.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
That's why they're.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Spending so much and putting so much on the line
right now to try to get the edge in this field,
because they realize it's going to be somewhat akin to
a winner take all type of technology, where it's very
likely people sort of consolidate against around one leader that
has the technological edge, or proves itself to be the
most useful, or just becomes the most sort of like
you know, culturally taken up for whatever reason. And so

(10:47):
that's why they're all pushing so many chips on the
table in this direction right now. And that means that
you will have, you know, some company or some few
companies out there who are big winners, and you know,
you're probably end up with the world's first trillionaires as
a result of this technology. That doesn't mean that you're
going to have a broad based, flourishing ecosystem. And let's

(11:09):
keep in mind, of course, that the ultimate promise of
this technology is to completely upend the labor market and
replace a lot of human beings. So, you know, it's
one thing to talk about the stock market, you also
have to keep your eye on what this means for
the real economy over the long term. Now, one thing
that's different from the dot com boom is you do
have a lot of actual building.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, because money right.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Of building out these data centers. Now that's sort of
like a one time expender. Is you build out these
data centers. It's not like those are ongoing construction projects.
It's not like you need that many people at the
data center to maintain it. But there are, like, you know,
real world construction projects, lots of them going on across
the country to fuel this boom.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, I forget the book I read about dot com
and early Silicon Valley. But one of the better things
that happen as a result of dot Com is financed
a lot of fiber optic cables that were laid all
across the country, which was the backbone for not high
speed but higher speed internet and the move away from
dial up. It ended up being actually quite important for
the eventual adoption of like the PC and the home

(12:14):
and email and all that. So there was some upside
to the CAPEX spending that was financed by a lot
of that insanity. So it could be something like that.
But you know, if you go back and you compare
the rhetoric of the information super Highway that Microsoft and
all those other people were talking about, none of it
even came close to coming to pass. This is the
point we go to the next part up on the

(12:35):
screen about the data centers, because this is really important.
Just you know, they point exactly what I was saying.
They say, quote partying like it's nineteen ninety five United
States AI. Relative private fixed investment as a percent of
GDP is just crazy high. The vast short run impact
they say on GDP economic growth one sixth of growth
over the entire past here is just data spend and

(12:58):
fifty percent of all growth both in the US economy
over the last six months so far. It is much
smaller than the nineteen nineties dot com build out, but
it remains still very important for us to keep an
eye on and just shows the impact of how again,
even minute changes in the way that these companies do business,
it could send everything belly up. This will impact This

(13:19):
is already impacting interest rates the overall stock market the US,
you know, I mean, think about borrowing costs. Everything is
now downstream of how these like four or five different
companies spend their money. Let's put the next one, please
up on the screen. This is very interesting and a
lot of people were looking at this. This is about
Meta is now planning a quote four to three structuring

(13:39):
of its AI efforts in six months, just to show
you how capricious some of this stuff can be. And
what they say is that they're going to divide their
new AI unit into four different groups. The reason why
people are paying a lot of attention to that is
because first of all, you can change restructuring your AI
effort in six months, so that's what every two months
or whatever, you're changing your business plan. But it's moving

(14:02):
so rapidly and in such a way that again, changes
to the way that they spend money, which is billions
of dollars, would have immediate impact on the entire USGDPA
and US economy. There's also some very interesting signs showing
up about the impact of these data centers. One of
these is electricity prices. Let's put this up there on

(14:24):
the screen. This is a flag that somebody sent to
me recently, which I was not aware of and is shocking.
So you can see electricity price from twenty twenty is
up thirty This is from the Federal Reserve Bank, is
up thirty eight percent. In the last five years. It
was basically stable from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty. Now

(14:46):
there's a lot of different reasons why you could see
the huge jump from twenty twenty two. That's the Ukraine War,
that's natural gas. There's also been the impact on gas
prices gasoline changes through the overall energy markets. But even
from twenty twenty two, you can see we've almost gone
up as much from twenty twenty to twenty twenty two
as we did from twenty twenty two to today, and

(15:06):
especially look at that massive bump just in the last
six months of the increase in the overall average price
of electricity. Some of this is going to be accounted
in data center and so increasingly there's going to be
a big fight in Washington, and I think at state
and local level of people being like, hold on a second,
you know, I'm not Yeah, you can come here and

(15:27):
that's great, and yeah, you're gonna imply five hundred people,
but all of a sudden, my electricity bill goes sky high. Also,
this of course impacts the porest residents the hardest. It's
the fixed costs like gasoline, electricity prices home just generally
like maintaining even if you're a renter or any of
that that, I mean, thirty eight percent to your bottom
line for a fixed costs that's extraordinary if you think

(15:49):
about it, massively outpaces even inflation. So you put those
two things together and you could see like a future
organic pushback against a lot of this new data center economy,
especially for my friends my home state in Texas. I mean,
you literally just have your own power grid and you've
got data centers popping up all over the state. You
have a more of a deregulated energy market already, which

(16:10):
is more vulnerable to price fluctuation. I guess as I
understand it, and you could have a disaster right in
terms of the overall aggregate price. It's not something that's
just gonna be fixed overnight, as we've all found out.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, no, I mean, these data centers are unbelievably energy
and water hungry, unbelievably so. And you also have you know,
in the One Big Beautiful Bill, they attacked a bunch
of different energy sources. So it's not like we're really
building out either the infrastructure or the sourcing that we
need to be able to fuel this boom. And the

(16:44):
approach of American tech companies in particular has just been
to build out, build out, build out, build out. That's
part of the arms race here that's going on. And
you can listen to Sam Altman talking to THEO Vaughn
about how these data centers are going to just like
populate the entire earth, make the whole thing look like,
you know, it's a computer chip board. So that's the
direction we're adding in. And there's also real like quality

(17:06):
of life issues too. If one of these is located
in your community, they're very noisy, they're very dirty, they're
very noisy, and so there have been a lot of
complaints about you know, the communities where these have been
located as well. So you know, look, on the one hand,
you get the construction jobs right out of the gates,
so I'm sure you know, people who work in that
industry very much appreciate that work, but it comes with
all sorts of drawbacks, and you're really sort of sucking

(17:29):
the resources out of the rest of society for an
industry that again ultimately aims to put you out of work,
put most you know, most workers around the world out
of a job, and consolidate even more wealth and power
in their own hands. You know, in terms of where
we are economically, whether it's a bubble, I think it's
I think it's pretty undeniable. When you look at stats like, oh,

(17:50):
ninety five percent of these companies don't even make any money,
that seems like a pretty clear indication that we are
in some sort of a bubble. So not only do
we have those longer term concerns about what this technology
is going to do to society and very little grappling
with that in terms of the economic costs and the
environmental costs, but you also have a potential short term

(18:12):
economic collapse on the table because of the bubble that's
been inflated around the promise of this technology.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And then finally, we just wanted to put this in
the air about these meta chatbots. If anybody's not aware,
crazy story. Let's put it up here on the screen.
You could see here, like you could chat with AI
to something called rich but strict parents. This follows there's
actually an open investigation now in the US Senate over
elked document which quote showed the tech giants artificial intelligence

(18:43):
was permitted to have sensual and romantic chats with children.
An internal document said that Meta has acknowledged it. They
said that it was quote in erroneous and inconsistent with
our policies and have since been removed. But I mean,
these things exist in your kid's Instagram app or you

(19:05):
know anywhere else. Were these chat bots which kids can
just engage with? I don't know. I mean, that's that's
as dystoping as it gets.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was Wall Street Journal that
did most of the reporting on this, and I read
through it right, it was pretty shocked.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's creepy.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
And you know what else, Soccer they licensed the voices
of like John Cena, Kristen Bell who plays Anna in Frozen,
and one of the stipulations was, you know, you can't
use my voice.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
For like sexting.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Basically, you know, because they have a brand that they
want to maintain and they don't want to be used
for that.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
There were no prohibitions.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
And not only that, users were able to program chatbots
because a lot of these chatbots are actually like user created,
they can create their own. Users were able to create
their own chatbots to have like Kristen Bell's voice as
Anna but in like sexual roleplay. Yeah, I mean what
so I don't see how that's not a lawsuit for

(20:03):
them because.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
They've paid millions of dollars to acquire.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
This, you know, these voice capabilities from these famous actors,
and then that's going on. You have, you know, you
have chatbots that are like one that the Wall Street
Journal tested was called like Submissive school Girl, where it's
you know, the chat bot is posing as like a
middle school girl and you can imagine the type of

(20:28):
role play that she's this bot is happy to engage in.
And then you also had, you know, the the other direction,
where teens and children, I mean teens are children could
engage in you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
With any of these chat bots.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And apparently what had happened is internally Meta's safety team
had all of this like prohibited, and then at some expo,
Zuckerberg was unhappy with the like level of risk taking
and so he specifically is according to their reporting, intervened,
it was like, you need to take off the brakes.
That's wild and let all of this fly. And there

(21:05):
were a lot of internal concerns. I suspect some of
these leaks probably came from internally people like what the
fuck is going on here? And so, yeah, it really
was Zuckerberg. And now I think that they've you know,
tried to rain some things in. But when I saw
the headline, I thought it would be sort of like borderline.
It's not or it's really really overt, and so, you know,

(21:27):
I mean, I just think about too.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Obviously, I'm a mom.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I got three kids, you know, one of them is
a preteen, one of them is seventeen years old.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I've got a little girl's aide.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
And kids also get they have a harder time distinguishing
between like this is a real person and this is
you know, this is a YouTuber who I'm not gonna
have a relationship, or this is this is some sort
of tech or this.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Is like a cartoon character.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
And so also just thinking about what the formation of
these relationships are going to mean for kids, even putting
aside the sexual part, like what that's going to do
to kids. I don't think anyone knows. I don't think
anyone's thinking it through. We're just using them as like
guinea pigs. Well, let's just turn it loose.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's a good point you make about children. And if
you think about when kids go to Disney, not that
my kid will go to Disney. I have made the bloodo.
She'll probably make me break it, but at least for now,
that's the blow. And they think the characters are real,
you know, they Maeke Goofy and they're like, oh my god,
it's Goofy. Well now imagine if you could chat with Goofy.
Sounds cute until it's not cute, right, And so just

(22:32):
take that to its logical conclusion, and that's already where
we are.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I just saw some good news though. Jonathan Height's book
The Anxious Generation number step seventy three weeks on the
list at number one for New York Times Bestseller. So
a lot of parents are still they're waking up and
they're fighting back. So please, you know, if you can
you're a parent out there, you know you definitely aren't,
but read the book. It will give you some good guidelines.
If every public policy, every public school should be it

(22:59):
should be required reading. His phone free school idea is
so so important, And if you're involved in your local
politics at all, you got to push the school district
to go for it. It's vital vital.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
And his parents you got to be on top of
what you're there are already and watching and.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I put the damn TV on. It's like a magnet
for the I was like, oh my god. I mean,
you know, I guess I grew up in the nineties.
It's probably the same way. But it just shows you
the power of the screen on a developing brain. For
someone who's his only word is go wow, Like that
just shows what you're really up against. All right, let's

(23:38):
get to the next part.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
All right, So, fresh off his blockbuster appearance with the
NLK Boys, Benjamin Atna, who has now joined the Gentleman
of Triggernometry, for an appearance. Admittedly, I haven't had a chance.
This came out last night. I haven't had a chance
to watch the whole thing. Producer Griffin pulled a couple
of clips that he thought were interesting. Let's go ahead
and take a listen to this first one. This is
Constantine saying, based listen, I don't think there's any peace

(24:02):
possible with these people in Gaza because they are quote
unquote Jew haters.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Let's take a listen, and then you're going to say,
and then we need a civilian government in Gaza that's
not hostile to Israel. And that's why you lose me,
Prime Minister, because I look at the pole opinion polls,
I look at the people celebrating October the seventh in Gaza.
I look at the fact that thousands of civilians crossed
into Israel on October the seventh to commit the atrocities

(24:27):
that were committed, And I go, these people hate you,
they hate you, they hate Israel, and they hate Jews.
How are you going to have a peaceful coexistence with
those people, particularly given the fact that, as Francis mentioned earlier,
they have been very heavily radicalized, not only through the
education system, but through the fact that they've been on

(24:48):
the receiving end on Israel's war effort.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
Well, I think what you're pointing out to is that
you need also a program of de radicalization. Now, has
that been done in in societies that have been conditioned
to hate their their adversaries. Yes, of course it's been
done in two places, prominently in Japan and in Germany,

(25:12):
but it's also been done in the Middle East. I mean,
there have been very noteworthy programs, successful programs of de
radicalization in some of the Gulf states which are actually
proving to be to break the you know, this prototype
of Arab societies that cannot seize the future. I'm not

(25:32):
saying they're model democracies, mind you, they're not, but there's
certainly they certainly want to seize modernity and not go
back to the savage and early medievalism.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Please tell me how Constantine is making that nan who
sound more moderate than how much?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
And like, yeah, just the idea that okay, you know
these people hate you. Yeah, gee, I wonder why.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Maybe it's because they've been like occupied and being starved
and bombed to pieces for you know, and not even
just post October seven. But also, Sager, you can speak
to this. How many times to around history have we
seen bitter enemies. I was about to say, so hate
each other. And guess what when you're able to come
up with some sort of a peace deal and have
a coexistence, you know, that fades over time.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
It with our own country.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know, we were bitter enemies obviously went to word
Germany and Japan, and now these are some of our
closest allies.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I can see it inside of our own country north
and south. It took a long time to shake out.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
That's exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I mean that is the Israeli line which drives
me more insane than any other, is we can't be
expected to live next to these people. No, actually you can.
If India has to live next to Pakistan, you can
do it too, all right. Yeah, they both have nuclear
weapons and mutually assured destruction. If Iran has to live
next to Saudi Arabia, then so can you. I could
go on for Northern Ireland, and I you know, I mean,

(26:47):
how many of these have we now lived through. They're
like they actually Israeli exception is that they want to
be the only nation in the history of the world
that actually is not required to live to the people
quote who hate them. Everybody else has to deal with it.
And in fact, one of the normal, like established things

(27:08):
post World War Two, which we're told for why we
have to support Ukraine and its war against Russia after
they invaded is oh, well we just simply can't allow,
you know, gangster states to do as they please in
their neighborhood based upon old reventist, revisionist history of pre
World War two. Like when Russia, when Putin starts talking

(27:29):
about Iven the Great and the Treaty of Breslatovsk, everybody
in the Western political establishment rolls their eyes. But when
these people talking about three thousand years ago, I mean, yeah,
that's the other thing. So which one's more legitimate seventeen
eighty nine of Crimea or three thousand years ago Judea
Samaria and these ancient biblical texts, you know, promise us

(27:51):
the land. That's they think that's legitimate. The Western political
establisher says that the latter is legitimate, but the former
is a violation of post World War two norms. No,
I mean, you know which one. And even if you
disregard all of that. I'm not a huge believer in
the so called Western liberal democratic order or anything, but

(28:11):
you can look from south. I think I can't think
of a continent where people have not been forced to quote,
live next to the people who hate them. That, yes,
it is simply a fact of life. Because the alternative
is basically the current is really strategy is mass displacement
and killing, mass murder. I mean, I guess that is
one which theoretically, you know, you could go down that

(28:31):
road again, you know, supposedly one of the norms after
World War One and World War Two was hey, actually
we don't allow that stuff to kind of happen, or
at the very least we're not going to support it. Well,
you know, again we've flipped it on its head. So
the premise of that is preposterous, and especially for somebody
from the UK who's one of the more recent western

(28:52):
nations which quite literally had to force you know, this
entire the troubles and all of that. I mean that
happened in my parents' lifetime. If you even think about that,
it was considered an intractable conflict literally from what when
was the first War of Irish independence I'm thinking, I
mean hundreds of years, I don't even know the date
off the top of my head, all the way to
nineteen nineteen, and then post World War two and separation,

(29:15):
the Northern Irish question, the troubles, the border, you know,
all the way up to the e These are even
today very sensitive issues, you know, after Brexit about the
movement between the two borders. So again, you can't sit
and tell me that you can't be expected. You can.
Actually you can, yeah, and you will, you know, because
we should fork you too.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
The better question is how you know Palestinians after this
genocide of them could be expected to live next to
the Israelis.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But that's something we should expect of them too. We're like, listen, no,
they got a shit deal, but you have to live here.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I mean, that's the nature, you know, of humanity, that's
the nature of being able to have some sort of
an agreement. And yes, over time, not to say that
there won't be continue to be tensions as there are
you know in Ireland and Northern Ireland, like there continue
to be tensions. But the idea that, oh no, you
couldn't possibly live next to these is just preposterous and

(30:06):
historically illiterate. There was another interesting section where the other host,
Francis is pressing Nan Yahu a bid on some of
the comments of you know, the Smotridges and the bend Viers.
Let's go ahead and take a listen to how that
went down.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
There are critics of yours prime minister who will say, well,
part of the reason that israelis losing the propaganda war
is when you have ministers like Schmatric making in sentry
or inflammatory comments and it doesn't seem to be any
particular pushback from your government to this. They go, well,

(30:40):
what does what does a prime minister really believe?

Speaker 6 (30:43):
Well, what happens what I believe, I say. In a
parliamentary system, people are free to say. Sometimes they say
things they don't quite mean. It happens all the time.
You have a very active fringe.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Primister, forgive me, but these aren't parliamentaris. These are people
who are part of your government and their remain part
of your government. After they say these things that too
many people, even your friends, sound a little bit like
ethnic cleansing is being discussed.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Well, we're not discussing ethnic cleansing. And to the extent
that we have these conversations around the cabinet, the security cabinet,
that is actually not being discussed by these people.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
But Prime Minister, I just interrupt.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
When you have your finance minister making a speech and
talking about occupying Gaza and it doesn't seem to be
any pushback within the government. People quite rightly, in my opinion,
would say, well, surely, aren't you condoning that type of rhetoric. No,
and that is it's exacerbating Israel's pr property.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
I disagree completely when somebody says, and I'm asked, is
that your policy? And I said, no, it's not by policy.
I don't intend to build the settlements or communities in
Gaza and not Israeli ones. I want a non Israeli
civilian governance after that that is committed to living in
peace with us.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
It is so unbelievably dishonest at this point to still
pretend like that's not your policy and like you candemn it,
you have nothing to do with it. But you also
got to give me credit because I called that this
defactly how he question democracy. Yes, I have a fringe
inflammatory rhetoric.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I was like, how is he going to square that?
Because it's true. But I had not. I didn't put
myself in the mind of BB to be like, yes,
we have free speech, we have a vibrant society where
we allow such things. But I mean, to Francis's credit,
he was like, no, this isn't it would be like
somebody else using Ilhan Omar's statements. I mean, yeah, you
could say that be like, look, we have four un
and thirty five more members of Congress, one of them

(32:31):
Marjorie Taylor Green or Illhan. They say some crazy shit
sometimes whatever, But that would is not the same whenever
those people are actually in power, members of the government,
well members.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
When the government policy reflects the.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And their government policy, yeah, reflects their desire to the
point where they're handing out weapons in the West Bank
and or US dollars which they then used to prop
up their expansionist regime.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
That's very different than oh, we have free speech. Yeah,
this is the thing about Baby, he's the master. It's
not like he has always in his perfect Philadelphia born English,
you know, he understands which parts are distasteful, you know,
to the US public, and so in English he does
not endorse any of the stuff. But again, Google, in

(33:18):
the age of Google Translate and AI if I will,
you can easily dub the stuff he says in Hebrew.
And it's the same stuff, that's right. That's the stuff
that drives me crazy too.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, and that's part of what I think the framing
of the questions I have all kinds of issues with
the framing the question. First of all, the idea that
Israel just has a pr problem is just disgusting gensides.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
We're gonna get to that with Megan. She always said
that too. She's like, the Palestinians are masters prop again.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
And that you know, Oh, the problem is just this
incendiary rhetoric, And why don't you do more to condemn
this incendiary rhetoric. Well, because he supports it, because he
is the one implementing and pushing forward the policy that
they want to see. I mean, we're talking right now
as Gaza City is being invaded. You had another security

(34:05):
minister who said that Gaza City itself should be exactly
like Rafa, which we turned into a city of ruins. Like, again,
this is not some random fringe character. These are people
in the security cabinet who have power. We also can
talk about the moving forward of a critical number of

(34:27):
settlements that will completely destroy the idea that there could
ever be a two state solution. So to frame this
as like a rhetoric or a messaging issue at this
point is frankly disgusting, But I mean it is at
least he pushed him on something you know, certainly was.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
More prepared to get the guy prepared more than milk boys.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's more prepared than the milk boys. Right, they did
set the bar like in the basement, but they were
more prepared by the note boys. But I don't know, Soccer,
what can you get out of these type of interviews
with Netanyahu? You know, because we know we can predict
his answers before he gives him. The American Western media
is full of Israeli a husbar or propaganda. We know

(35:06):
exactly what their line is all the time because we
get it from every single news outlet. So I'm not
sure what you really get new out of hearing Netan
Yahoo for the thousand thousandth time. You know, gaslightis about
what's really going on and what his position really and
truly is.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't know. I mean, I still think it is
worth it. It would there's a lot of issues with
this in general. Part of the reason you know that
Netanya who agrees, is because Constantine has just been so
massively pro Israelis displayed, you know in his question. At
the same time, getting people on the record is good
and actually asking them even about the word ethnic cleansing

(35:45):
is good because what did he do. He denied ethnic cleansing.
That's not even a question that has happened currently from
the Western media and or inside of Israeli media, because
they're not going to push it because frankly a lot
of them support it, and so at the very least,
like you get it for the historical record, you're not
going to change policy. That's a fantasy for most journalists.
But you know, challenging actually getting to the heart of it.

(36:06):
I think he could have done a better job, but
he did better than a lot of other people. So
you got to give credit where it is due. You
ask the question. Look, I mean, nobody's going to sit
there and be like you're a war criminal and be like,
you know what, You're right, I am a war criminal.
That's the fantasy. But at the end of the day,
getting the reaction, at the very least, pressing on the
security issue, it can make an impact. They could have
made more. I mean, if they were better prepared, they

(36:28):
could have specifically gone through the actual because the challenge
of the question is the premise was that it's Bibe's
government and not bb himself, when it's like no, actually,
I mean, even if you compare his original answer on
quote civilian government and occupation. It's like, your government is
currently engaged in a plan to force other nations to
accept Palestinians. How is that not eccedent cleansing?

Speaker 6 (36:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
And it'd be like, that's something you are doing.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
And even if you just want to stay in the
lane of rhetoric, pull up Bebe's own car totally AMLAC
and what are the children of the Darkness and all
this other crap that he's said. I mean, you can
pull up direct statements from him that it's like, no,
you're not really any You may couch it more for
you know, English Western media, but you are on board.

(37:13):
You sound very similar to how all of these guys sound.
And his life mission has been to make sure that
there is no Palestinian state. Let's go and get to
the very latest with regard to what is going on.
Let's put this image up on the screen just so
I already knows what we're talking about with Gaza City here.
So this is the before and after. Already Gaza City is,

(37:37):
you know, so much of it is destroyed and just
turned into rubble and unlivable by any reasonable standard. Nevertheless,
the invasion of Gaza. The reinvasion of Gaza City has begun.
The latest that I saw was that the Israeli army
had reached the outskirts of Gaza City, which of course

(37:58):
is the largest city, is the Gaza Strip. You know,
many hundreds of that we don't know exactly how many,
but many hundreds of thousands of people have returned now
to Gaza City. You'll remember the way that this, their
initial invasion occurred, sort of went from north to south,
and people kept getting pushed further and further and further
south until they were in Rafa. All eyes were on Rafa,
and then Rafa was utterly and completely destroyed. Now you have,

(38:21):
as I said before, high level security minister in the
Security Cabinet saying, hey, we want to do to Gaza
City what we did to Rafa. Palestinians are trying to
decide whether or not we can put the next elblement
before up on the screen. Guys as well, Palestinians, you're
trying to decide whether they're going to move yet again,
you know, be displaced yet again. Many of them have

(38:44):
had to relocate some five, six, seven, eight different times.
They are utterly exhausted, They have little resources in terms
of food or money or anything else.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Most of the structures in the entire.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Gaza Strip, not just in Gaza City, have been destroyed.
So it's not like you can go and like rent
an apartment. Everything is bombed to pieces. In fact, there's
a drop site did a piece on the Dystopian real
estate market that has sprung up where people will rent
even something that has been bombed, you know, and is
effectively like a shell if it even has any sort

(39:20):
of roof that is intact. That's what we're talking about. So,
you know, I remember Senator slot Kin told us that
the the sort of conventional military attack had finished. That
is very much not the case. It is escalating. There
are already horrific images which are coming out, and so
you know, I mean, I think this dovetails well with

(39:41):
the with the interview that was done here by the
guys over at Trigonometry, where not Nyahu's trying. Oh no,
ethnic cleansing. I would never we don't want to occupy
blah blah blah. And meanwhile, this is what's actually unfolding.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
In the real world.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, no, it is crazy, especially because we were saying
you know, we don't even have a lot of images
from it, and there's there's kind of a reason why
a lot of it is because most of these journalists
are dead. That was the unfortunately, that really was the impetus.
It appears behind some of these killings. That's what Ryan was.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's why they murdered that whole out to Zerra crew
because they were planning to stay and cover the invasion
reinvasion of Gaza City and now they can't because they're dead.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, and you know, in continuing with the expansion on
this the settlement question, it is continued by the way,
We're going to have a very interesting interview hopefully soon.
But there was a man who was a top press
officer at the State Department who was just fired because
he wanted to release a statement from the United States
expressing condolences about the loss of life for journalists in Gaza,

(40:42):
and he was fired for that. Now keep in mind
not only was he fired just for that, but also
because he pushed back and said that the United States
State Department should not refer to the West Bank and
Gaza as Judea and Samaria. And it appears that he
was knifed by Mike Huckabee's most senior aide, David Milstein.
And so yeah, hopefully we're gonna have an interview with

(41:04):
this gentleman soon. But I just want people to see
too about like that settlement question and about the adoption
of their own language and rhetoric here in our government
is now basically open for you know, it's open for business.
That's has been i know, from a policy level. But look,
this stuff still does matter. How about US government refers
to the West Bank as Judaea, you know, in West

(41:24):
Bank gods Juday and Samaria are not That stuff matters. Yes,
the ambassador says it, But when Maine State and the
Secretary of State sells stuff like that, that's a declaration
of policy at a government level.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, that's right. And it seems like Milstein has.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Been an important, massive force behind the scenes, and he
shouldn't be. He's just like, you know, an aid to
the ambassador to Israel, but he is really taking control
of a lot of the Israel policy. And he is
extremely hard line. And you know, to your point about like, yes,
the US obviously under bipartisan president presidence, has always been

(41:55):
very pro Israel. No one is denying that but there
used to be the official line was that we support
a two state solution and we are opposed to the
illegal settlements. That's all out the window at this point.
You know, they don't even pretend. There's not even a pretense.
And in fact, Ambassador of Mi Kakabee went on Israel's
army radio drop site picked this up and said that

(42:17):
you know this new settlement plan which is incredibly significant.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
It's called E one. It's east of Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
The UN has long said for years that moving forward
with construction of this particular settlement would quote drive a
stake through the heart of a two state solution because
the way that it severs Palestinian communities in the West Bank.
In any case, Mike Kakabee went on Israel's army radio
and said that Washington does not oppose that plan.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little
of that.

Speaker 8 (42:48):
It is not a violation of a law for Israelis
to live in the land, and to say that they
can't would be rather bizarre to say that anyone else
could live in regions but Israelis could not. Whether or
not there should be a massive development and E one

(43:11):
is a decision for the government of Israel to make
and so we would not try to evaluate the good
of the bad of that.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
So there you go there on board with it, no problem.
I mean, this is you know, Miraa Madelson presumably getting
her money's worth from her massive investment. The minute that
Huckabee was put in as ambassador. I mean, he is
a religious zealot when it comes to Israel. You know,
we knew that was an extraordinary significant development. And our
friend Jasper talks about how the annexation of the West Bank,

(43:39):
which was Miriam Maddelson's main priority with her investment in Trump,
with her campaign contribution to Trump, that was her main
goal and it is effectively accomplished. So this is, you know,
this is what she got for her money.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Effect No, you're right, And those settlements are the ones
that we've covered here extensively because they're the ones that
historically were never pursued by any even right wing Israeli
government because it would block the establishment of a Palestinian state.
So that's what the symbolism of this is. And of
course it was approved by one of those cabinet members
inside of BB So yeah, that's right, understands. Yeah, let's

(44:13):
go put the next one up on the screen. Just
about the State Department. This one is important. So they
say that the US State Department will now further number
of sanctions in response to the ICC's quote ongoing threat
to Americans and Israelis. So what they say is they
are designating several members of the ICC. Now why, it's

(44:34):
because quote, these individuals are foreign persons who are directly
engaged in efforts to investigate, arrest, detain, or prosecute nationals
of the United States or Israel without the consent of
their either nation. Now let's make it very clear. It's
about investigation, arrested, attention of Israeli officials. It has nothing
to do with American officials, and to the extent that

(44:55):
it does, it's about support for Israel, just so we're
all very clear. And of course, this this decision has
been hailed by the Israeli cabinet members and others, even
some ex cabinet members who ironically are not right wing
enough for baby. But still, you know, whatever under detention
arrest warrant by the ICC, and it's I mean, look,
it's it's the classic case the full force of the

(45:16):
US Empire being used to protect the Israeli government. You
can't make the shit up. It's like an anti Semitic conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, no, truly, And let's put jump forward to B
eight because I know Sager really enjoys this particular.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Element and dynamic.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
You've got two hundred and twenty five new immigrants from
the US and Canada landing in Israel here, you know,
going to they won't renounce their US citizenship, but they
will become dual Israeli citizens here.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
So yeah, I just think you love this. Yeah, absolutely,
of course, very patriotic Americans who have made Alia. More
than one thousand immigrants quote have arrived from North America,
according to the Ministry of Alia and quote Integration in Israel.
Keep in mind that many of these people end up
becoming the most psychotic and settler regime like settlers who
end up occupying some of the areas inside of the

(46:05):
West Bank. There's that famous video of that guy from
Brooklyn berating a Palestinian woman and he's like, if I
don't steal your Houston, somebody else will steal it, you know.
I mean it's something I actually noticed when I visited
the Western Wall. And you know, before you get there
there's these people who greet you, and I was talking
to them and he's like, where are you from? And
I was like, oh, I'm from you know, Texas or whatever.
He's like, oh, I'm from Boston. I was like, oh, okay,

(46:27):
I got it. I was like, do you live here.
He's like, yeah, I live here. I was like, oh,
all right, Well, you know, got it. So this is
common that he was an Orthodox Jew. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, I told you. It's crazy to me. I looked
it up.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Even my kid's dad is Jewish, and typically the you know,
it passes through, it's supposed to be the mom that's Jewish.
But in some reform reform Judaism, then it could be either.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
And sure enough, yeah they could.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
They could, they could move there, they could become Israeli citizens.
Palestinians aren't allowed to have rights there, but my kids,
who have no connection to it, they I mean, it's
just utterly, insanely preposterous. One more piece that I just
found interesting that I wanted to flag for everybody. This
again his dropsighte B seven. Let's put this up on
the screen. Apparently, this Palestinian businessman, Samar jalala Us, he's

(47:15):
claiming the US approached him to be the governor of Gaza.
They describe him as a little known Romala based businessman
and economist who's taken on various roles in the Palestinian
authority and as a cabinet secretary to the PF for
several months in late two thousand and five and two
thousand and six. Anyway, he is alleging that he was

(47:36):
approached about, you know, being sort of installed as a
governor of Gaza. So I guess they have been doing
some reach outs to find their their chalaby. He looks
just like him, right, And he also he spent some
money on like a lobbyist here in DC, because you know,
it doesn't matter what the Palestinian people want, it matters
who you can convince here in this town, apparently, of course,

(47:59):
to rule the.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
This is classic if you have ever spent spent enough
time in Washington. The suit with the quarters hip is
a dead giveaway, all right. I mean, something is something
is not right here, and it's it usually means somebody
with too much money and bad taste, which is of
course exactly it was well dominated here.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Just look at the White Terrible comedyation.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
It's not a good not a good combo usually, and
so yeah, we have our augmentality for what the future
may hold. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
All right, let's go and get to what's going on
here in DC. So Tim Dillon has some thoughts about
what's going on here in DC and around the country.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Let's go ahead and take a listen.

Speaker 9 (48:37):
You've already got the cops in the street that are
I mean, they are not cops in the military.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
They've already got the National Guard on the street.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
They already have all your information, DC, and now they
just get to decide what is and isn't over the line.
That should scare everybody. You're fucking nuts, dude. If this
doesn't scare you, you're nuts. All these things in Alex
you know, and I've had Alex on I like Alex,
but all these things at Alex Jones was like worried
about when I listen to him in the late nineties,

(49:06):
early two thousands are coming to fruition and he'd you know,
I don't know where he is on all of that stuff,
but like I know he's a big fan of Trump,
but like this is everything. Alex Jones always talked about
military in the street, the FEMA camp, the tech company
that monitors everything, the surveillance, this is all of that.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I mean, not to sound like a fucking.

Speaker 9 (49:28):
Nut, this is everything a crackhead and I don't even
me know crackhead like crack, but a guy smoking weed
in a room with a fucking black light, he'd be like, bro, Bro.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
There's gonna be military in the street. They're gonna put
you in jail for fucking your fucking thoughts. Man, if
you just say them, bro, You're gonna be in fucking jail.
There's gonna be a fucking company that monitors everything.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
You'd dube bruh like.

Speaker 9 (50:02):
This is literally the wet dream of every conspiracy theorist
that has ever lived, and it's happening now.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Making a lot of good points there, I mean, the
Alix Jones colon in particular, it is so true that
all of like sort of the wildest theorizing about what
a government crackdown could look like, like a lot of
it is unfolding before us. You know, you have the
kidnapping of people for wrong thought, wrongthink on Israel, and
the you know, the crackdown there was We're going to
cover the fact that they're going to now screen everybody's

(50:31):
social media before they come in the country for quote
unquote anti Semitism, using the Department of Education and HHS
to make sure you're cracking down on that as well.
The National Guard, six different states National Guards here in
d C.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
To like, you know, we actually put C four up
on the screen.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
You had an m wrap that t boned a civilian
regular vehicle here in d C. It's something similar that
happened in La by the way, where you had I
think it was ice agents and a regular vehicle that
like t somebody as they were speeding around the city.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Just absolutely dystobi.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And then you add in like the Palanteer contract and
what all of that is going to look like the
deportations with no deeprocess in a slave labor camp. And yeah,
I mean Alex Jones's express concerns about a few things,
but you can imagine if this was being done by
a by a Democrat, it would be complete hair on fire,
because it really is a lot of the conspiracy, theorizing

(51:26):
worst case scenario over the years just sort of playing
out in front of us in real time.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I think it's fair, And yeah, I mean it pains
me to say it, but I do think it is
fair and what it is, especially because if I think
back to January sixth and the federal occupation of our city,
which I thought was ridiculous. Yeah, we both we've lost
hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, And you know, it's
very hard because on the one hand, I cannot stand
people talking about how oh DC is safe and it's great. No, sorry, ridiculous.

(51:57):
Like the violent crime is still bad. Yes, it's down,
it's still much higher than it was five years ago.
Union Station is a shithole. It has been a shithole
for five years. I've lived here since twenty ten, which,
by the way, in retrospect, is the best year to
ever live here. Is the lowest of the violent crime
rate has ever been. By twenty fourteen, it's gone downhill.
There's a lot of reasons for that. The crime situation

(52:19):
is bad. I used to live I lived on the
block literally where Big Balls was assaulted or whatever. Somebody
was murdered, shot in the head, innocent bystanderd. Exactly one
block away. The parent restaurant I took my parents too,
was the subject of a gunfight less than three days later,
where somebody was shot and almost killed bullet holes that

(52:40):
were sprayed in the way. So I'm not exaggerating like
it's bad and it's been bad. There are different ways
to fix it, and this is generally not the competent way.
And I think that's kind of been my if you
were to say my break with the Trump administration, it's
that they have in many cases, I think, points about
illegal immigration, about crime, and but what they choose is

(53:02):
the showmanship versus the execution. And that's actually bad for
two reasons, and I'll explain, which is it negatively polarizes
the entire country about the point that you're actually trying
to make, and the point that you make doesn't even
get fixed. So you kind of pair those two things
together where yeah, it's fun to do your little press conference,

(53:23):
you know, at Union Station, and what you do is
you troll the liberals into trying to say the actually
Union Station is safe, when in reality, it's like, look,
if you live here, we have two huge problems here
in Washington, DC. Number one is juvenile offenders. That and
basically lack of prosecution that has been That is a
literal Biden policy that was adopted and led to widespread

(53:45):
crime throughout the entire city, carjackings, et cetera. That is
an attorney general problem which is very easily solved in fact, actually,
and I'm curious because this is where the libertarian everything aligns.
Janine Pure is that her name, Judge Janine just announced
yesterday that DC will no longer pursue firearms charges against

(54:05):
people in the city. And I'm like, uh, well, the
libertarian in me who's like, yeah, good. But the other
hand is is like, if we're all being honest, like,
gun charge is the easiest way to get most of
these people off the streets.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Well, that's what the black two A advocates often say,
is that gun charges are the way that you go.
That's how the criminal justice system is, that's the entry point.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yes, it's the easiest way to get something locked up.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, a bunch of people, disproportionately black people. And I mean,
I do think part of so zooming out from DC.
This country has much higher rates of violent crime in
cities across the country than similarly situated like developed nations, right,
no question, no.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I think if you look at the differences between those countries,
one of the things is we are a wash in guns.
That is a big part of that is not something
that Republicans want to do anything about whatsoever. And like
you said, is going in the opposite direction here in
DC in terms of actually, you know, cracking down on
the firearms. Here, DC comparatively has relatively tight firearm restrictions.

(55:09):
But obviously it's you know, a city with Virginia on
the other side. In Virginia you can get any gun
you want basically anytime with very few restrictions.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
But this is the good. DC is the strictest gun
laws in the entire country.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's Virginia's right there, and
so it makes it.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, but Maryland has some of the strict Maryland as
the same Standwich standards as California.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
So the country as a whole is a wash in firearms,
and that is certainly now it may not be all
of it. I think the mass inequality, you know, the
fact that you have this like entrenched underclass, very little
social safety net, I think that is part of it
as well. I'm not saying that it's one thing, but
that's part of the conversation. But you know, some of
to me, the most interesting reporting that's been going on,
SAG and I think you would share this sentiment. Is

(55:48):
the journalists who actually went into you know, Anacostia across
the river, the neighborhoods that suffer the most from violent
crime truly and talk to residents there like how do
you feel about this?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
And there's an openness.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
No, They're like, they're like, listen, we're open to it. Yeah,
that's true. It's on that.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I mean they're like, we we would like to see
more laun we would love it if this would help.
But there is zero I mean, first of all, there's
very little presence there at all. This has all been
you know, m wraps on the mall and outside of
Union Station and protecting Georgetown cupcakes or whatever, which is.
You know, not to say there's zero crime in those places,

(56:28):
but much less than in other parts of the of
the city.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
So that's number one.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
But number two, if they were serious about wanting to
get the I mean no, you just can't take them seriously.
This is the same government that stripped a billion dollars
in funding from the DC budget that is supposed to
go to things like public safety. So long hold we
can put see five up on the screen. They did
a poll of DC residents, the people that this is
supposedly meant to help, and eight and ten are like, no,

(56:58):
of course, we don't want this. Eight and ten Washingtonians
opposed Trump taking control of DC's police and federal troops
controlling the streets.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
You have the question specifically, is.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Do you support or oppose Trump ordering the Federal Garment
to take control of d c DC's police department and
ordering the National Garden FBI to patrol DC. Nine percent
strongly support, eight percent somewhat support, and then you have
seventy nine percent who either strongly oppose. And by the way,
the strongly opposed is sixty nine percent, So nearly seventy
percent of the city is like absolutely not. And again,

(57:28):
those are the people that they're posturing like they want
to help, and everyone can just see through it and saga.
The thing that I've struggled with in sort of like
communicating about this administration or even intellectualizing this administration and
really trying to like grapple with it in a way
that's not hyperbolic or hysterical, is, on the one hand,
you have these preposterously authoritarian shows a force that are

(57:52):
just meant to demonstrate like, you know, military crackdown, and
on the other hand they're so like incompetent and fooonish,
and so it's hard to take seriously the you know,
authoritary nature of what's being done. When you call a
National Guard from sixth surrounding states and you know, em
raps in the streets and all this grap it's hard

(58:12):
to take seriously that when on the other hand they're
just they're like a bunch of idiotic, incompetent, trolling clowns.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I would I would see that that is the critique
that I am the most sympathetic too, and again, I
think is also the one which is going to land
the best because it's about the both. It's very Again,
it's hard because I literally moved out here because of crime,
and I know a lot of other people who did.
It's bad, and it's like I can't sit and be

(58:42):
gas lit by people who taught me that it's not good.
It's it's horrible. And I've lived here for so long
I actually watch the decline. It's quality of life, crime
and the general feeling of safety and sorry, yes, that's
an actual feeling of safety, which entails vagrancy and general,
just like the having to worry about getting staff by
somebody mentally ill on the street is a real thing.

(59:03):
Same in Union Station. You watched it go from a
place of business people to bum showers in the span
of two to three years, and it really still has
not really returned to how it used to be. Now,
there's a lot of reasons for that, COVID and all
that one, but this is where I get frustrated. You know,
with the Washington DC residents, they don't actually want to
do anything about it. That's part of the other problem there.
You know, DC city count the mayor may be pro cop.

(59:25):
The city council shoots down every single attempt to try
and hire more MPD officers. The juvenile problem is the
one that the city council members themselves are the ones
who are fighting for more leniency, which is leading to
all this truancy crisis. And by the way, this city
spends more than every other public school per capita than
any place in the country, and they have the highest

(59:46):
truancy rates. Some thirty thirty percent of DC students are truant,
something that Delano and Squire said on our show, which
I look uncomfortable, But people always want to whitewash it,
like if you have a school district where ninety percent truant,
that's a parent problem. It's true and people need to
but like no, no, no, no, no, we have to get real.
You are you or what he sat out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
But I thought what he said was so silly though,
because he was like his answer was like the mayor
should say parents should.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Do a better job. It's like, what the fuck is
that going to?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
No hold them?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
That's not actually a more pathetic answer than like what
left okay, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
No hold them acount. It's the same way if your
kid is fifteen and they use your ar fifteen to
go and shoot up a school, you need to be prosecuted.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I ASHERI it with that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
But his thing was just like you know, wag your finger,
and I'm like, that's not gonna It's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Not just they need to go to jail. Like if
your kid is out there carjacking and you have been
had multiple warnings from the school district and all that,
I'm sorry, you need to be held accountable. And the
truth is that they have. They have embraced all of
these BLM ferguson like anti crime policy or anti police
policies since twenty fourteen, not an accident, that's the year

(01:00:53):
that the city went You have to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Also acknowledge the crime rate has gone down.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
It has gone down from the height it's I don't
way higher.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I'm not an expert on DC politics, so I don't
know what the city council has or hasn't done or whatever.
I do know, I really residence, especially in neighborhoods that
suffer war from violence, residents are open to more law
enforcement presence. I don't think there's any doubt about that.
And in fact, you know, it tends to be poor,
blacker neighborhoods where and those two things obviously, unfortunately America

(01:01:25):
frequently go together where there's more receptivity to law enforcement presence.
So I don't think when you look at the poll
that's like eighty percent are opposed to Trump, I don't
think that's like, oh, we just don't want more law. No,
they see this lot of the fooonishness that it is
a lot negative. That's certainly, but they're right to see
this as being ridiculous and not to mention, you know,

(01:01:45):
if you care about law and order. Look, it goes
without saying that this is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
The guy that pardoned that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
You know, all the January sixth of rioters are like
beating up cops and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
So and it's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
It's a fair point to make, especially because that happened
in DC. But in addition, you don't just have the
National Guard. You also have all these FBI agents who
are being pulled off, Like aren't they supposed to be
doing real work, not just standing around. I watch a
video yesterday of some I don't know what agency they're with,

(01:02:15):
because it's hard to tell in many instances, people just
riding up and down the escalator at a metro station.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Yeah, or picture people just like these guys, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Boards standing around in an empty metro station.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
That actually was my old metro station, safest one in
the entire city.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I mean, there, thank you, there, you go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
For protecting my fellow drunken GW students. So I'm sure
that they needed it. Look, I agree, it is buffoonish,
and the way that they execute it is preposterous. It's
just about but the problem has to be acknowledged, and
like that is the part why I can't move away
from this city and its residents basically seem to be
okay with crime. I will never understand it. It's why
I left. I said, this place cannot be saved. Its

(01:02:53):
own population basically is wedded to BLM signs over people
not getting murdered. I don't know what it is. It's
the psychology of the people who live here. But the
thing is, and that's why actually was the only actually.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Is it's not like outstanding nationally in terms of the
rate of violent crime.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Well there are you know, in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Fact, red states. A number of red states have higher
crime rates in blue states. I think it's Memphis and
Saint Louis. This is the worst that have the worst
violent crime rates in the country. And while I'm sure
individual policy decisions do make somewhat of a difference, you
can also see that a lot of this is national trends.
There's a huge national spike in crime come in COVID

(01:03:35):
and coming out of COVID, and there's been a similar
national decline in crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
The cost also BLM like see is that there is
a total obfuscation of the role that BLM played in
the massive spike on crime. The Ferguson effect is statistically proven.
It's real is that these BLM style events Trayvon Martin
Ferguson led to the fergus Effect, the cooling of crime enforcement,
saying back in twenty twenty, which led to an explosion
in violent crime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Enforcement is mostly cops like not doing their job as much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Oh yes, because they're afraid. Now listen, I look, I'm
not some pro police fanatic. My response when the police
pull up is, lawyer, I don't have a fucking thing
to say to you, like and that should be yours too.
Don't ever talk to them without a lawyer present. Zero,
even if it's a speeding ticket. Don't acknowledge nothing, Just
say lawyer, lawyer, lawyer. You don't have to say a word.
Even if you pull out your ID, same thing. You

(01:04:26):
can lawfully comply. You don't have to say anything. It
canon will be used against you in a court of law.
Look out for your own rights. I want to make
that very clear. But it is also empirically clear that
a systematic level lack of crime enforcement and specifically soft
on crime do gooder policies like oh these poor little juveniles,
has led to an explosion of carjackings here in Washington.

(01:04:48):
It's a Washingtonian problem, and it's specifically because of the
federal government, Joe Biden and a bunch of like BLM
style leftists said, Oh, we can't prosecute these poor kids,
and they wreak havoc across the city.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Everybody I know it could be a Washington specific I'm
generally I don't think Washington was the problem. When you
see a similar dynamic happening in cities across the country.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
We have to disaggregate violent crime from quality of life crime.
Carjacking is included in violent crime, but vagrancy is not. So.
San Francisco is a shithole. Can we all agree on that,
at least the major parts of it, the tenderloine, et cetera.
San Francisco has a very low murder rate. They don't
have a big murder problem. They have a high violent
crime rate, but it is, in my opinion, the most
unpleasant city in the United States to be in. Why

(01:05:31):
because of violent, mentally ill drug addicts everywhere who are
constantly harassing you. They may not kill you, but look,
we can't just sit here and say it's acceptable. I mean,
I recently had dinner in Washington, in a place.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Which even though those stats are down in California, but.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
You're talking again, you're talking about violent crime, talking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
About no about homelessness, like public visible homelessness.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
And part of that of the country. Part of that
is the repeal of the Ninth Circuit in California, which
basically allowed the California authorities to go and clean up
some of the areas. It's not just local this again
is soft on crime policy, which led to a massive
explosion of the permissibility of fentanyl addicts being on every corner.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
But I just for example, so Baltimore is on track
for and Baltimore's has historically been one of in the
modern era, one of the worst cities in the country
in terms of specifically murders and violent crime.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
And I mean, you know, the wire we.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
All watched like unfortunately too close to or was too
close to reality in Baltimore, and they're on track to
have their lowest murder rate in documented history. And it
wasn't just We're going to flood the zone with coups.
It was a range of approaches including you know, more
after school activities and those sorts of things that might
be stereotyped as soft on crime. So you know, there

(01:06:48):
was a model there that has been very successful that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I think these are griped at as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
But I do also think, like you know, the national
crime rate is much higher than other similar countries, and
I think a good part of that has to do
with guns. I think a good part of that has
to do with inequality and socioeconomics. A good part of
that has to be lack of social safety net, good
part of that has to do with upper lack of
upward mobility. And then you know, you have had these

(01:07:17):
national trends. So again I'm not doubting. I'm not an
expert on DC politics. I don't know what's been done
here specifically. I'm not doubting there aren't factors that have
contributed to some of the specific dynamics here, but it
seems like overall the more important dynamics have been like
national global trends, which have led to all of these
cities moving in similar directions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
To see I would agree, But my point is that
the national trend is bom and like that was the
singular most important thing in the history of crime.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
But how we're just aggregate that from COVID, Well, I mean,
that's part of I think, because the truancy rate, that
to me is directly at all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
All those are the COVID, but those are two conjoined
factors because it's not just truancy, it's the lack of
enforcement and the do gooder, Oh, we shouldn't do anything
about these poor children, and that's it's like, that is
the toxic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
E everywhere in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Yeah, absolutely, but DC is an outlier. That's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Out of COVID truancy rate is up across the country
because it just became like it used to be, you
go to school every day and then you know, the
message that was sent was basically like, well it's kind
of optional and actually we're doing this one point home
and schools across the country have been struggling with.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
The Conservatives will be mad at me for saying this.
We should take a lot of lessons from New York City.
It is by far the safest, cleanest, and the most
livable of the big cities in terms of quality of life.
There's a lot of reasons for that. One is they
don't tolerate this San Francisco, Los Angeles drug addiction. The vast,
vast majority of people who are homeless are drug addicts.

(01:08:47):
It is not a housing issue. That's one of those
that I've probably switched on the most, in particular watching
it here in Washington, I watched it go from methamphetamine
and like drunkenness to fentanyl. Fentanyl has wrecked this place,
the fentanyl lean and what you know, just look, anybody
doesn't know what I'm talking about, you can google it.
It's horrific. If you've ever been to skid Row, San Francisco,

(01:09:08):
it is entirely a fentanyl crisis which has taken over
these places, which leads to massive amounts of petty crime,
massive quality of life problems, carjacking or car break ins,
breaking into cities. I mean, this stuff has like massive
cooling effects on commerce, on the ability of people to
have children. My own sister lived in San Francisco. I

(01:09:28):
stayed in her apartment. I go out the door. This
is a nice neighborhood, and there's a guy literally taking
a shit on a stop at four am in the
morning with a needle his arm. I'm not joking, Like,
this is real stuff, and this is the stuff that
happens every single day. That is an enforcement problem, like
clear and simple. New York does not tolerate that, even
with all of their democratic mayor etc.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Also has a requirement at legal requirement to provide housing
for everyone, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
They don't accept drugs. Also, well made your crackdown on
a home like people. But I cannot walk your way
out of this with right to housing. If you give
quote right to housing a drug addicts, they'll rip it
apart and they'll use it as a drug den I hate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
But the other thing stronger is that there's just not
nearly sufficient rehab programs I agree with people to go into.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
And I actually maybe we'll maybe we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Agree on this, like when Eric Adams shifted the criteria
for the ability to you know, deem someone like a
threat to themselves or to others, and to be able
to put them into an institutional like institutionalize them and
get treatment. Like I actually support things like that because
I do think that, you know, I first and foremost

(01:10:41):
I care about those human beings who are unhoused, who
are struggling with addiction, who are clearly living like really
a miserable existence, and I do think sometimes they're in
an effort to be you know, empathetic and not to
have like often the right just wants to like criminalize

(01:11:02):
or invisibilize or push out or whatever, and so an
attempt to push back on that, there's actually a lack
of empathy for what that person is going through and
the type of help that they need. And so, you know,
I think I am in favor of more ability to
you know, get people help, even when it is against
their will. I know that's a controversial thing to say,

(01:11:23):
but I think if you truly have compassion for people,
like you wouldn't want someone that's your family member no
to be living in that state. And so in any case,
this has gone kind of far afield, but it is,
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Because it's it is about the show. But remember you know,
the Trump maga and all the support for this type
of stuff and the reason why a lot of people
even went along with it. You know, maybe unpopular here.
I need to see an nationwide polling. And yes, I'm
not saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
It's unpopular nationally too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
It may be in terms of the but like people
in twenty twenty four, they were pretty fed up with
a lot of this stuff, and I think I will
never walk away from that is a good impetus. And
even like what you were just talking about, the rehab
and the confinement that the most important shift that the
left needs to make is to going from toxic empathy

(01:12:14):
to paternalism. And yeah, you're gonna hate me for saying it,
but the countries you all revere, like Portugal, your ass
is going to jail. If you sit on a public
street corner and you shut up, shoot up, heroin, mandatory
rehab or jail. We need to shift to that mentality.
If you are in skid row and there's a needle
in your arm and you're raping women trying to charge

(01:12:34):
you basically so that you can give them ventanyl, you
are going to jail. Those fentanyl addicts who have been
reduced to that horrific state, you're getting locked up for
two years in mandatory rehab, not some nine to day program.
Two years. If you look at the recidivism rate on
heroin and fentanyl, it's already sky high. There needs to
be a basic social contract agreement for all of us

(01:12:56):
where it's like, you have a problem. That problem is solvable,
but it is one where we need to take away
a lot of agency from you and I'm sorry, and
that is a huge problem because it conflicts with a
lot of the current legal system. But this current system
does not work and it has been destroyed them, and
it has destroyed tax paying citizens, businesses and others who

(01:13:18):
deserve the right to live in a safe place. So
that would be my main thing. It's like you have
to embrace like the uncomfort of telling someone we are
going to deprive you of your rights. For quite a
long time, there was for your own goal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
It actually dovetails somewhat with the anti eugenics monologue, okay,
because there was, you know, this progressive era push to
institutionalize anybody and everybody who like, you know, we're seen
as basically based on poverty, you know, and sometimes it
would be genuine mental illness or whatever. But there was
this mass push towards institutional institutionalizing people, and then there

(01:13:54):
was a backlash against that because it went way too
far and you were just completely depriving people of rights.
And again it would be someone who's just was you know,
their crime was being poor, and they locked up for
life and sterilized by the way, and you know, now
you're at the point where number one, I mean, our
healthcare system is shit. There's not nearly enough rehab available,
like even people who want to get clean and sober.

(01:14:14):
They don't have a place where they can go to
try to avail themselves of those services. There are way
too few psychiatric beds, there are way too few rehab beds,
all of those sorts of things. But I do think
we've also gone too far in the other direction of
you know, sometimes it genuinely is in a person's interest
and you have to have protections in there for civil liberties,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
It's a difficult balance to strike.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
But in any case, what Trump is doing is told
and complete bullshit. He doesn't care about crime. It's like,
you know, m wraps t boning cars in the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Congratulations, And I think not just DC residents, but the
pulling I've seen is like the country sees through it.
And you're right that, just like with the you know,
the immigration backlash, there's also a backlash to this policy
where people, I mean, they saw what happened in LA too,
Like most of what what's happening here in terms of
law enforcement is you know, like door dash drivers getting

(01:15:05):
like pulled off their mop heads as well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
A lot of them are. So let's let's not put
that aside. And I have a crazy DoorDash story which
I hope to tell one day.

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