8/21/25: Megyn Kelly Reveals Israel Pressure Campaign, Alleged P3do Hires Trump Pro-Israel Appointee, Saagar Rips Anti Property Tax Boomers, Tech Elites Eugenics

Krystal and Saagar discuss Megyn Kelly reveals Israel pressure campaign, alleged pedo hires Trump Pro-Israel appointee, Saagar rips anti tax boomers, tech elites go full eugenics.

 

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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Megan Kelly head on MTG for a far ranging discussion
on Israel. MTG reiterated that she thought it was a
general side, but what I thought was the most interesting
was Megan Kelly obviously becoming very uncomfortable with the increasing
amount of reach out to her from the pro Israel

(00:52):
groups who are desperate to get her to the State
of Israel on one of these propaganda trips.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Here's what she had to say.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
I have absolutely no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group,
including Apak, So I would love to know what they
do to get the loyalty of politicians, because I will
say I have had multiple multiple reach outs to me,
both from friends and from connected people on DC, begging

(01:21):
me to go to Israel with them, and I have
said no every time.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
I usually I'm just too busy. I have three kids,
I have a full time job.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Like sure, I'm not doing it, but lately it seems
like it's coming to be even more because I feel
like there's there's a contingent of people who are worried
that they're losing me.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
And I've said that you're not losing. I'm not on.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Hamasa's side now, God, no, nobody's on hamass. But it's
been a while now that this has been going on, right,
and we're getting more involved with the Iranian bombing and
so on.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Sure, and my own feelings.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
There's you know, I'm looking at is Reel in a
different way right now than I was on ten eight,
that's for sure, twenty three right, And I can feel
the pressure being slightly ratcheted up, like you're not allowed
to you're not allowed to.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
And I can see people like you, like Tucker who
I know.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
I know Tucker, I've known him for years, and I've
seen you in the early career.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
I know you have nothing against Israel. Oh gosh, no, thanks,
never mind Jews, that's all a lie.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
But right, and I see the beatdowns coming. You're not allowed,
like you have to stay right on this lily pad, yes,
and you cannot jump to another neighboring lily pad because
it could take.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
You all the way down the river away.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Mmmm.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Interesting. I mean I think that is so.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
By the way, that has happened to me, not recently,
but the in the beginning days. Remember actually when that
group invited me to go to Israel and for to
view some ten to seven propaganda.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah. I don't know if I've told the story in
the show, but when I first started MSNBC low and behold,
who reaches out apak you want to go to Israel?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I mean they, you know they Jamal Bowman talked about
how he he didn't want to meet with them because
he knew what was what. And they went through this
like respected Black Men's Organization in New York to like
basically trick him or strong arm him into meeting with them. Right,
And I mean that's yeah, that's what they do.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
That's what they I mean, you got to respect the game.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
In some ways, they are aggressive about cultivating anyone and everyone,
and that's part of why they have had such a
lock on DC, both parties for so many years. But
you know, the interesting thing to me about Megan is listen,
Megan shifts depending on the vibe. Let's be honest, when

(03:37):
it looks you know, in twenty sixteen, when it looked
like Trump was going down and flames, she's very anti Trump, right,
she gets kicked down at five?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Can I just say it was so funny during the
podcast where she's like, yeah, the media was staying all
this stuff about Trump in twenty sixteen. I was like
the media, huh, I was like some of us remember
the first debate man, Yeah, I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, then was it about her that Trump said the
like blood coming out of.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Her eyes and her everywhere?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Trump?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Or the very first question of the very first debate question,
mister Trump, you've called women pigs you know from Megan,
and He's like, only Rosioda and American politics change for
und Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
So she was like anti Trump then and then she
kind of flirted with and then she realized that if
you're going to be anyone in the Republican Party, you
got to be Trump pro Trump. Trump even like called
her out for was like.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Like she didn't like me, or yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Superters careers based on pretended anyway, It's all just to
say that she's looking where the winds are blowing, and
the winds are blowing in an anti Israel direction right now,
and so you see her repositioning, and that's you know,
I found it interesting when Piers Morgan did it because
he also is another one that you know is noting.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
He's look, he's a tabloid guy.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
He's got his sense of like where the public is
and where they're shifting to, et cetera. I thought he
was a noteworthy one certainly. I mean the public Israel
is only supported basically by older Republicans up this point, right,
the Republican Party overall is the most pro Israel.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
They've lost independence, they completely lost Democrats. It's basically only
support in the Republican Party. But even there, especially if
you're in a podcast space online, you're going to have
a hard time if you are lockstep with.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
The real reason I wanted to play that clip is
because I'm going to provide people with an update on
that Israeli the case of the Israeli government official caught
up in the pedos thing. People need to know this
Conservative media has not touched it once. Not one mention
on Fox News, not one mention on the Ben Shapiro Show,
or anyone over at the Daily Wire. Not one single
mention by anyone over at the Daily Wire.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Let's make clear. Yeah, a lot, look, a lot of.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
My old colleagues and friends who are working in the
industrial complex have written zero stories, done zero reporting. Now look,
you know I should try to toot my own horn
and be like, oh, it was a masterful work of
journalism to get my scoop.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
It wasn't. Okay, here's the truth. I just did the
basic leg work.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
It took me a long time to get on the phone,
email some people, you know whatever, and eventually convince the
source to provide me.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
With the documents. It's not that hard.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Anybody at the New York Times or the Daily Wire
or at Fox News. Fox News could have had it
way before me. You know why, they have somebody who
works for them in Vegas. All they would have had
to do is drive over to the courthouse and talk
to somebody in person. If I'd lived in Vegas, I
could have had that story in thirty minutes. It's only
because I'm you know, two thousand miles away or whatever.
So just so everybody understands, that is the purpose of

(06:27):
the donor control or the conservative meeting industrial compes. Now,
what I think Megan is because at the end of
the day, Meghan is independent. She finances I believe, entirely
by herself. I mean, she's very rich obviously from her
own past career in cable news. She's probably looking at
that and also uncomfort of man, I'm getting a little

(06:47):
It's like, and she even said this, the more that
you tell me I can't say something, I'm going to
look into it. And that has happened more and more
and more, and increasingly you're watching like the world shrink
or the pro Israel side, where yes, they still have
quite a lot of control over the media, but with
social media, with YouTube, with everything else, their ability to

(07:09):
control that narrative is just following up. Yeah, so I
do think it's important for her to say what she said.
I will also say the amount of pushback unbelievable. Everyone's
already like she's going down the Tucker Carlson path she
had on plat Tucker m she yeah, Tucker qutarleson MTG,
the idiot, brain dead MTGS coming up, you know, coming

(07:30):
on with her nonsense, and already it's like the concern trolling.
If you go on Twitter and you look at her replies,
oh my god, like to her that episode with MTG.
It's a full blown panic for her just having her
on and even saying the things that she just did.
So she's still on the team for now because she's
still blaming Amas first starvation, et cetera. Bot I wouldn't

(07:54):
be surprised six months from now if we see something different.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
The other thing is the you know, the the apac types.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
They you can't diverge even I mean, that's actually what
I was saying.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
You can't diverge an inch. So once you do, once
you're off the island. And I was like, oh, okay,
well that you know, you can say whatever you want
because you're already dead to them effectively, which I don't
know why so many democratic politicians in particular don't realize
that that there's there's no middle ground on this. There's
no middle ground on a genocide. There's no middle ground

(08:25):
on these ards. Like you're inner, you around, you're in
favor of babies being bombed, or you're not. The MTG
had very you know, interesting and you know, I thought
quite extraordinary post the other day talking about there were two,
you know, two important decisions made by this administration with
regard to children recently. One was to block Palestinian children

(08:48):
who have their arms and legs blocked blown off by
frequently are bombs from coming and seeking medical care.

Speaker 6 (08:55):
And another one that allowed.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
This alleged Israeli pedophile to fly home and you know,
potentially escape justice. So she was calling that out directly.
I also think there's some of what's going on here too,
is among MTG and others, is a recognition that the
Trump era is not going to last forever, that you know,

(09:16):
he at some point is going to be out of
public life, departed in one way or another, and some
positioning for what that is going to look like afterwards.
I think it's part of what is going on here
as well. But you know, on the like betrayal of
the idea of America, first we gut a D three
up on the screen here.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
This is the latest that we've got of people's.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Social media is going to be screened for anti Semitic
quote unquote anti Semitic activity. So this is you know,
the part of the crackdown is you're gonna if you
if you want to come to this country at all,
then you have to make sure that you have all
the right views on Israel or else you're going to
be blocked.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yep. It's very important people to see what's going on.
And I do think that her comments, though, are a
harbinger of the Overton window is slowly breaking open. And
the more people see like Israel first amongst a lot
of the conservative like intelligentsia and specifically a lot of
the media class, I think that they will continue to

(10:19):
lose credibility. It's a long game, don't get me wrong.
It's not going to change immediately. All right, let's talk
about this new update, shall we? On this mister Tom Alexandrovitch.
So I wanted to provide everybody a fulsome update. As
I have said earlier at the top, Las Vegas, you
guys are like a mafia state, like the blackout that

(10:41):
I have now gotten from people who I originally could
get on the phone is extraordinary. And the reason why
is the word has come on down from the top.
Everybody's shut up about this case. And in particular it
shows from the lawyer that Tom Alexandrovitch has hired. So
let's go and put this up there on the screen.
The Las Vegas Review Journal, who's owned by who?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Who?

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Right? Oh?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Mary Madelson?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Right?

Speaker 7 (11:02):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Forgot about that?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
The Las Vegas Review Journal has now confirmed that the
Israeli official Tom Alexandrovitch, who was caught up in that
child sexting, has now hired the celebrity attorney David Chesnoff
and Richard Schanfeld. David Chesnoff is the most powerful lawyer
in the entire state of Nevada. Very recently, he along
with twenty two others, including Mark Levin, were appointed by

(11:25):
Donald Trump to the Homeland Security Advisory Committee. Okay, just
to show you how powerful this per current individual is,
andlo and behold, it will shock you, absolutely shock you
to learn that he is a very pro Israel lawyer
who is the most powerful.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
One in the state of Nevada.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Let's go to the next one, please.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
He actually did an entire article with the Las Vegas
Review Journal back in November of twenty twenty three where
he went to Israel to volunteer in a hospital. He
claimed that he had spent a lot of time there
over the years. He's now been awarded actually with several
awards pertaining to the state of Israel and for a
lot of his support, which brings me actually to the

(12:06):
next one. So let's go and put that one up
on the screen. So this is fascinating. I'm becoming very
familiarized with the state. Back at in twenty twenty one,
it was actually kind of a scandal in Vegas because
David Chesnoff, the lawyer now for Tom Alexandrovitch, donated thirty
thousand dollars to the Clark County DA Steve Wolfson. Steve

(12:28):
Wolson is the person who is in charge of prosecuting
mister Alexandrovitch. Now people need to understand that this famous
defense lawyer donates thirty k to the Clark County DA.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Stephen Wolfson.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Now we are currently in a situation which they called
pay to play justice in the scandal there at the
time where mister Chesnoff is now representing Tom Alexandrovitch in
the very case that Da Wolfson is prosecuting this Israeli
government official.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Four.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I will continue to note that Wolfson has only given
one interview on the case of Alexander Viev. He said
that he was treated completely normally, but he floated a
probation as a potential option. So everybody understands here he's
potentially already floating the idea that Alexandrovitch can walk scott
free and he can just get probation. He also said

(13:17):
currently that he doesn't have any concerns about Alexandrovitch's return,
but he's like, we have extradition treaties there that are available. Well,
I looked into it, because that's what I do. Let's
go and put D seven please up here on the screen,
and I actually did some research. I go, Okay, when

(13:37):
is the last time Israel returned a charged American pedophile. Well,
the most recent is just from October of twenty twenty three,
when a guy named Gershen Krantzer, who was charged with
multiple crimes against children in twenty ten, fled to Israel.
It took eleven years to return him to the United States.

(14:02):
Why because he took advantage of Aliah, the right to return,
which we talked about earlier in the show. The Israeli
legal system, and specifically the extradition treaty with the United States,
has multiple loopholes for any Israeli citizen who is facing extradition.
In fact, this became a crisis back in nineteen ninety
nine because actually locally here Crystal, a seventeen year old,

(14:25):
murdered another seventeen year old, butchered his body and set
him on fire. His father was Israeli, and he's like, look,
Israel's got no extradition, we're going, and so he fled
to Israel. What ended up happening is that the Israelis,
after massive diplomatic pressure, happened.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
They said, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Our Supreme Court won't allow him to be extradited, so
we'll try him for the crime in Israel and he
can serve his prison sentence there. That leads to a
two thousand and five extradition protocol. That protocol, though, has
massive amounts of holes in it, which basically the Israeli
legal system is rigged. I guess, I guess it all
should be for the ability for their citizens to not

(15:04):
face extradition. So the current problem is, is this guy
ever coming back. He has no incentive to. As I
just showed you, you can fight your case for eleven
years and still barely face return.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
This is very, very difficult.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
There's already statue of limitations problems from a guy, a
rabbi who is charged in the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
He still is living with impunity in the state of Israel.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Never came back because the Israeli Supreme Court was like, oh,
it's the statute of limitations, but it's the only statute
of limitations.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Because he fled right so he was able to. He
still lives there.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Totally out in the open, with impunity, I mean, a
horrific pedophile. And so every ounce of research I have
seen here is that this guy who worked for the
government and if he wants to, basically, if Trump doesn't
put any serious pressure on the government, we will never
see him again. Because think about it, the prison sentence
for this charge is one to ten years, and the
DA is already floating probation.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
You're going to fight a guy for.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Eleven years for extradition to come back and serve I
think we should to be clear, just to set an
example for all of our diplomats. But the road is
set to the sweetheart deal of all time. And so
I'm just laying the groundwork for the powers that be.
They are out in full force.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
To protect this guy.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
There's been off to Adelson, to the government. I mean,
it's all out there.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
There have been a lot of focus on this US
attorney Trump appointed, who talk.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
She's very yes, she's also very pro Israel. Wasn't she
born in Israel?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
What's her I don't she Anyways, she's she's very committed
zion Is, and she, I know, deleted her account on Twitter,
I believe after she came under scrutiny for potential involvement
in this. Like what can we say about her? Is
it is the scrutiny on her.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
It's kind of complicated.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
So she okay, So here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
She is an Israeli born American by her own definition.
She has multiple previous posts on her personal Twitter account
where she had basically said very pro israeled et cetera.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
The thing is is that.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
The destruction of Gaza et cetera.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Right, So she's now the acting US Attorney for the
State of Nevada. Now, the thing is what makes it sketchy,
and I have yet to uncover any evidence that the
FEDS actually didn't intervene, but the facts make it. It's
pretty difficult to explain that the federal agents FBI and
HSI agents who were the first people to question Alexandrovitch

(17:28):
did not give a heads.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Up to the US Attorney's office.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
The US Attorney's Office has not answered any questions about
the zero questions about this.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
They put all the blame on the judge. And by
the way, they got.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
All their facts completely incorrect because Alexandrovitch never stood before
a Nevada state judge that he actually took advantage of
a BLM style law from twenty twenty, which allows criminals
to just post bail and go scot free if they
want to before any probable cause hearing before a judge.
So the difficulty, like right now, I think is that
there's all of this smoke. The fire has not been

(17:59):
able to be proved. But the smoke that currently exists
in Nevada is that they have a powerful attorney. He's
represented like Bruno Mars, you know, I mean like seriously
very like very very rich Paris, Hilton.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
You know those types of people.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
TMZ's probably got this guy on speed dial like a
lawyer to the stars, like one of the classic people,
kind of like the OJ thing. Here's a question who's
paying him? I mean that's an open one. Who is
paying your legal fee? Is it Alexandrovitch who's worked on
an Israeli government salary? Is it the government? Is it
a rich benefactor. I've been trying to figure out who
posted as bail. From what I've been able to find out,

(18:34):
no bail bondsman company actually bailed him out. Somebody did
post bail. We know that it wasn't him based on
something called a surety bond. So the question is who
posted his bail? Again, total blackout from Henderson City, So
there's still a lot of very sketchy stuff here. I
personally think what's going to happen is going to get
a probation and he's going to walk, and the question
will be is he going to get special treatment? Compared

(18:55):
to the seven others who are caught up in the sting,
all of whom who have been charged, this man remains
uncharged by the State of Nevada. He's the only individual
caught in the sting who hasn't yet been charged.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I've been checking every day, and I think it's just
worth reminding people that this isn't just like some random Israeli.
He is a high level official, you know, close to
the net Yaho's, et cetera. Yeah, so you know this
isn't just some rando. This is what's his official title.
He's like in charge directory, Yeah, cyber directors.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
By the way, immediately after this my phone lockdown mode,
I was like, I'm not taking any.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, intellig intelligence. I will say.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
The uncovering and the reporting of this story, which initially
surfaced for me at least from mel She's a village
crazy lady on Twitter and then you're sleuthing it has
restored some of my faith in quote unquote independent media
because we would never know. If it wasn't for you know,
independent journalists, we would never know anything about this whatso

(19:53):
happened him just like hurrying up and leaving to Israel.
That would have been the end of the story. And
you know, there would have been like a little local
crime news story in Nevada that no one would have
picked up on, certainly the mainstream press wasn't get a digest.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
This is my beef, no offense Nevada local journalists, but
like they don't understand the political implications.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
So for them, they report it like any of the
crime story. They're like, he lured a child to seart
to you know what I'm saying, Like they do the details.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
The FBI NSA thing, They have the same docs that
I do because they've got sources. They didn't report any
of that, you know, and I read all of their
stories and then they just print whatever the lawyer says
with no comment. They don't know any of the stuff
that I just did. Same thing with the DA. They
don't ask him any follow up. They're like, hey, what
about the extradition treaty? Have you demanded his appearance in court?

Speaker 6 (20:41):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's one of those where I mean, I almost don't
blame them because you know, they're not following international politics.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
They're like crime beat reporters.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Mostly they work for the AIS or they work literally
work for the Yeah. But I mean no, but there's
a local TV guy who have been following. He's been
you know, reporting or whatever on the case. But it's
more so that I just think they're not familiar with,
like how much of a scandal it is nationally. But
this is why national media and others. They could cover
this story easily if they wanted to at New York

(21:11):
Times dot com, email could solve this in a day
because they could use their Washington Bureau, their FBI reporters
and get somebody on the ground in Vegas. You could
read a two thousand word article exposing all of this.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
They won't touch it.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
And I think the reason why is because it's about conspiracy, right,
Like it's distasteful and it would feed far right fantasies
and it's like, guys, we're dealing purely in the realm
of facts. Cotton A sting Back in Israel remains the
only one on charge higher the most powerful lawyer in
the state of Nevada.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Do I need to spell it out for you?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
On the one mainstream story I saw about it was Axios,
but they wrote it up let yaga. Yeah, And it's like,
I mean, first of all, it's certainly not just mega right,
And second of all, why not just talk about the
story itself rather than doing the meta story about like, oh,
this group of people is reacting in this way. So yeah,

(22:02):
that was the only mainstream coverage that I know.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
It's crazy. It is absolutely crazy. So anyway, that's your update.
I will continue on it, and if you are in
Vegas and if you have something, reach out. I would
love to talk to you. All right, let's get to
property taxes. Okay, Now here's a little pet issue of mine,
which I said, I wish I had the time to
write this.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Up into a monologue, but I'm going to do my best.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
So there is a growing effort on the right to
quote abolished property taxes. I want to say at the top,
I sympathize everybody hates property taxes. Here in the state
of Virginia, actually where I live, they even tax your car.
You know, every year you have to pay your annual
car tax, and it's one of the most unpopular.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Things that people ever have to deal with.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
But I want to really dig into this and tell
people why it is actually a massive giveaway to the
old and if anything, it needs to be reversed. So
let's put this up there on the screen from Marjorie
Taylor Green. She says recently, quote, Hi, we need to
completely abolish property tax. It forces us to quote pay
rent to the government on property that we own. But
if we don't pay property tax, the property that we

(23:03):
own gets taken away.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
That should never happen in a free country. She says.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Secondly, health insurance as a giant scam. I agree, but
let's stick with the property tax thing, because this is
actually becoming policy. Let's put the next one, please on
the screen. Ron DeSantis is now proposing no property taxes
in the state of Florida, and actually it's Florida, Ohio
and many other Republican states that want to eliminate property tax.
Vik Ramaswami has apparently said something similar. The more I

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looked into this again emotionally, I actually do understand everybody
hates property tax. It's one of the most things that
included in your mortgage. Even if you finally pay off
your house, you have to continue to do it. The
more I actually started to look into it, not only
in what it funds, but the way that seniors are
the ones who are the most benefited, are the most
benefit not only of the property tax themselves, which is

(23:52):
paid for services, but get exemptions. I was like, wait, no,
this is a massive giveaway to the old and it's
an version of how policy should be so let me
put this up on the screen and then we can talk.
Is I did a lot of this research. This was
chat GPT, thankfully, and I was like, huh, how much
property tax exemption already exists for old people. So in

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Florida you get this thing called the homestead deduction, and
that's for everybody. It's for your primary residence, which is
off of your assessed value. But seniors who are sixty
five plus and lower income, by the way, that low
income is a very different definition than what I would
think of low income, you get an additional fifty thousand
dollars exemption. In Texas you get something called the regular

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school tax exemption, and then for seniors you get an
extra ten thousand dollars off of school district taxes. Plus
school taxes are frozen at the age of sixty five.
The theory basically for property tax and the anti property
tax movement for a lot of old people is hey,
we're older, our kids are grown, so why should we

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have to pay for schools. I think this is preposterous
because I could get I have to I'm forced to
pay Social Security and Medicare like everybody else. With FAIKA,
I could get hit by a bus on the day
I turned sixty four and three hundred and sixty four
days and get no Social Security.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
That doesn't mean that I shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Have to pay it for my entire life, right, So
their theory is that we have to pay for their retirement,
which by the way, is pegged to inflation. But they
get property tax, school tax frozen, and now they want
to eliminate it entirely. Which are city services, which again,
who's calling nine one one for an ambulance all the time?
It's old people, okay, And these people want to opt

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out of that and shift the tax burden to the
consumption of sales tax, which would actually be a massive
giveaway to them. Not even worse, let me just continue
the rant is it would mean that their primary residents
they have no incentive to sell, which actually locks them
even more so into housing stock giant McMansions which for

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two people, which in my opinion rightfully should go to
people with younger houses. Now I'm not saying they should
be forced to sell, but to say that, well, maybe
I have.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
But it's like.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I'm not saying this time, Grandma, I'm not saying that
you were to sell wink.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
Wink.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
But the idea that you should be that the government
should provide you massive amounts of services, free retirement, free
healthcare under Medicare, but you don't have to pay.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
For my kids' school taxes.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Get out of here, and now you actually want to
shift the local burden to more so to the consumers
rather than the elderly people, who again get inflation pegged
free money from the government, and now under the big
beautiful bill, you get a tax free income for eighty percent.
I just think it's one of those where it's a
total abdication by the boomer generation. They're like, oh, we're

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done with the school, so we don't have to pay
for them. Well, you know what, if I'm done with you,
why do I have to pay for your health care?
You know, one percent of all federal spending is on
boomer dialysis.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I'm not joking.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
One percent of the entire federal budget is on dialysis
for obese boomers with kidney disease. It's one of those
where and listen, I'm Promedicare. If anything, you know, we
should go after the healthcare companies that jack up that spending.
I'm not saying we should take it away from you,
but you can't abdicate your responsibility to the younger generation.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
And that's what all of us is.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's like, we literally have a socialist system right now
for boomers. The more I'm looking into this property tax thing,
I did not realize it's a massive giveaway to the
elderly and it shifts the entire tax burden on people
who are younger can't afford the homes being frozen out
of the housing stock, and are making it so that

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they have to have sole responsibility for their lives and
for the city services of them, on top of paying
for the quasi socialist system of retirement that we have
for everybody sixty five plus.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I mean, the school thing is just like, do you
live in a society? I know you didn't be the
same thing if I was like, well, my neighborhood is safe,
so I don't want to pay for the costs exactly,
just like, Okay, we live in this we all live
here together. There are certain things that are valuable to us,
for example, the education of the children.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
Right for example, like, you know, we could.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Do a lot better about everybody being able to have healthcare,
et cetera.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
You know, I think you have to.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Ask, Okay, there are certain set of services that people
expect and need the state to provide. So there's going
to have to be revenue raised somewhere. So if it's
not property taxes, what is it likely to be? And
that will start you which is what massively regres.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
Massively regresses.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
So even taking like the age part out of this,
our society increasingly the structure of our society in terms
of haves and have nots. And there is a deep
generational component to this. That is for sure is between
those who own their homes and those who rent. And
if you own a home, you're much more likely to,
you know, have a sort of stable life, You're much

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more likely to have some sort of wealth that you've accumulated.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
You know, you're building value over all these years.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
You already get big tax breaks from the federal government
in terms of mortgage interested auction.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
You know, it's a major dividing line.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
And the capital decies after you sell.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's exactly right, So there you get significant breaks. They're
significant built in advantages to being a homeowner already in
our system. So what you're talking about is another tax
break for homeowners who are much more likely to be
you know, affluent than people who are renters. So you know,
if you were going to instead fund things with a

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actually progressive income tax code, okay, then we could talk,
you know, then I'd be open to it. But that's
not the direction that they're pushing in. They're pushing, Okay,
we're going to do sales tax and sales Why is sales.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Tax deeply regressive?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's because the poorer you are, the more of your
income you're spending on consumption because you're you know, it's
your back's against the wall, your paycheck to paychecks. So
basically everything that comes in is going out in expenditures.
So as a percent of your income, you're going to
be taxed much much more.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
So. Yeah, it's the thing is terrible state.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
And by the way, you wouldn't believe the boomer rage
I've gotten for talking about this. But the more I
look into it, the amount of breaks these people get
is unbelievable. I talked to a state legislator who got
mad at me. He's from New Hampshire. He's like, what
are you talking about, idiot? Nobody freezes property taxes for
people in New Hampshire. Took a simple Google search to

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find out that one thirteen of the largest cities in
the state of New Hampshire two hundred and three localities
all provide something called an elderly.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
Exemption for property tax.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
The theory behind it is that these people are on
fixed income and that they don't use the schools, so
therefore they deserve the break. Again, that is the same
argument that the school voucher people make about their property
taxes or private schoolers who are like, oh, but I
send my kid to private school, why should I have
to pay into the system, Or oh, I don't use
that much trash?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Why should I have?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's like this, you know, it's almost like a libertarian mindset,
but it's only libertarian, and the only opt out exists
is for the elder. Now, let's compare us socialism for
sixty five plus to zero to five. That's where my
baby is right now. What is she getting from the
federal government? Zero?

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Nothing, I get a measly tax deduction.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
What else?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Pre K when they turn like four or something like that.
In between? Good luck, Hope you make decent money.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, if you're and if you're z a run you
propose free childcare.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
People are gonna say you're a gruntmenty.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
And yeah, while they again get free healthcare, they get
completely free healthcare. Now, a sane society would say that
if you have to choose between them, in my opinion,
zero to five is way more important, especially than sixty
five plus in a country of people live until.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Eighty three years old.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
So now I'm not saying throw everybody out on their street,
But for all of those folks, if you guys are
gonna get your free health care, don't be coming around
saying I don't have to pay any property tax because
I've already paid it and I don't use the schools. Again,
we all have to pay for your retirement. And if
you really want to get technical on an accounting basis,
the average senior who retires at age sixty five in

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the year twenty twenty paid six hundred thousand into the system.
You get one point two million in benefits over the
course of your life, double literally what you ever paid.

Speaker 6 (32:12):
Into the system.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
So the idea that you know you've paid for everything
you get, no, it's false. Now I'm not saying we
should bankrupt you or take a lot of the stuff away.
I'm in favor of reducing the massive amount of costs
in the healthcare system.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
But the current way that it's structured.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Is everything is about tax breaks for the people who
are already homeowners, which disproportionately are the elderly. Let's put
E four here up on the screen, because this is
very important. If you look at the current data, home
buyers over the age of seventy currently outnumber those under
thirty five, and in particular it's for.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Larger houses and or starter homes.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
So the way that the tax system is now currently,
the way that the current tax system is is that
boomers are getting free Social Security, literally free. Eighty eight
percent of you will not pay any tax on your
Social Security because of the new standard deduction, which is
only for people who are over the age of sixty
six or whatever.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
By the one big beautiful bill.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
You get free money from the government, tax free money
basically from the government. You get free health care, capital gains,
no tax on your residence which massively has boomed. You
can roll that into a new house, and a lot
of them are choosing to live lives of relative luxury
for how they grow. Now, I don't bemoan or begrudge
anybody for being able to do that I do think

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there should be a reverse of the system to incentivize
first time home buyers over people who are already elderly.
So if I want to see tax breaks, I want
to see them for the people who are under thirty,
not for the people who are over seventy. But then
you can't be buying your McMansion, which in my opinion
again should be probably going to somebody under the age
of thirty five, and then not pay any property tax

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for it. Yeah, because that means you're never going to
sell it. The carrying cost is way too simple for you.
It's like the deal of the century that we're just
handing over to all these folks. And here's the thing
you and I know it's going to pass.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
In Florida. It's full of old people.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Their entire state is subsidized by the federal government because
we pay for their residents' income and we pay for
their health care. So now you know what they're going
to do.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
We pay for like their homeowners well, yeah, ensurable right,
and we ensure all of their property, which by rights
nobody should even live in because it's near the.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Ocean and is constantly getting destroyed.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I mean, I think there's an overlap between. So I
think the proper way to look at, you know, the
taxation system rather than a generational war zero sum between
what the elderly could get versus what young people could.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Get is I mean, the big problem.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Is that the wealthy pay very very little in taxes.
There's not a progressive income tax system in the way
that there should be.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
And I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Nationally right now, but certainly in states like Florida that
don't even have an income tax. And so you know,
what you end up with is because you had older
generations who are able to acquire wealth at a time period.
You know more during the New Deal era when housing
was much more, wildly more affordable, healthcare was wildly more affordable,
education was wildly more affordable.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
College education in certain places was free at the time.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
So you have a wealth disparity between generations. But you
you know, the big war is the class war versus
the generational war. There's overlap there. But you know, to me,
that's the frame to I.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Don't disagree and politically, but no politician will ever talk
the way I'm talking why because old people are the
only ones who vote. But the thing is is that
it is important still to say that the middle class
elderly is way better off than the middle class young person.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
Yeah, it's just a lot of that is homeowners and
it's homeownership owners.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
The tax breaks are unbelievable, or like in California with
Prop thirteen, the biggest load of bullshit I have ever seen.
That these people who buy a house in nineteen seventy
six explodes in value from one hundred thousand to two
point five million, living in Santa Monica or whatever in
Los Angeles are paying massively low property tax rate compared

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to somebody who has to purchase the home. Let's say
in twenty fifteen, I'm sorry, it's not right, and they're like, oh,
but it's not fair because I'm priced out because of
the property tax. You get Listen, if you were this
is where my personal responsibility spiel. If you saved your
money and you put it in the four oh one
k like you should have, then you should have no
problem being able to pay your property tax. But their

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argument is that again their free inflation adjusted income should
be able to sustain a like mansion in Santa Monica. Preposterous.
The property tax should be pegged to the accurate market
value and if you have to sell, so be it.
You should have worked harder and should have saved more money.
And that's it's just like infuriating that they continue to

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try and stop paying for school taxes, cap their own
property taxes, and make it so that they can live
in housing stock, which again, by any fair mark mart
should and fair societally should be occupied by people who
are younger who literally cannot get into them.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I mean it's basically I think people should just think
of it as a tax cut for the rich. Technically,
I mean that's just fortunately who's going to benefit from it.
And so if you know, my metric is just is
it a regressive or progressive tax? And if you are
getting rid of property tax and shifting that burden over
to an income tax, a consumption tax, I mean, not
an income tax, rather to a sales tax, a consumption tax,

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you are giving a tax cut to the rich, and
you are funding it with a working class.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Yes tax, It's true, that's what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
And so correct look look at it through who benefits
and who's going to bear the cost. I think it
becomes pretty clear this is a bad deal for average people.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
I had a senior reply and it's like, what about
death taxes? You wouldn't even know anything about that. And
it's like, bro, unless you're worth thirty four million dollars
when you die, you're not paying it a state tax.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, it's like so actually they just tell them your
filthy taxes to I mean, we barely even have a
death That's.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
What I'm saying. With death tax, the.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Exemption is fifteen million per person, so you're worth more
than thirty million dollars.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
It's one of them. I think you shouldn't have to
pay any taxes.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's one of the most important reasons that we've had
increasing like a solidifying class structure and less and less
upward mobility is the lack of an estate tax.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Well it's not just it's actually a step up basis
in my opinion, that's oh yeah, that is the crime
of the century. All right, I'll end it there. I
know the boomers will be mad, but I'm sorry. It's
like you said, we live in a society. You have
to pay for us because we pay for you. Literally,
that's what the money is for from the government.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
And like, did you go to school. Yeah, point in
your life did people pay taxes they do that you
could go to school.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I'm sitting here paying for your dialysis. It's infuriating. I'm sorry,
all right, let's get to your monologue. What are you
taking a look at?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
In nineteen seventeen, a new Silent film was released with
an extremely unsubtle plot line. The Black Stork follows a
young couple who marry and have a baby in defying
of warnings from the film's hero, doctor Dickie that the
couple will pass on the father's quote hereditary taint. Sure enough,
when they do have a child, it is born quote

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defective in the language of the film, and in need
of life saving intervention, which the doctor refuses to provide.
The mother, having doubts, embarks on a mental journey exploring
the life that her defective baby would grow up to lead,
and watches as he suffers through a miserable existence, culminating
in his choice to murder Doctor Dickie for the crime
of letting him live. The mother then awakens from her

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reverie and agrees with the doctor that her child should
in fact be murdered.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
The close of the film.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
We watch as Jesus receives the baby's soul a difficult
but moral and righteous choice having been made to kill
the infant rather than condemn him and his offspring and
the race at large to a polluting of the bloodpool.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
So pretty sick shit right. We'll pay attention.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Because, as with other ugly discredited ideologies which have bubbled
back to the surface in this era, eugenics is back.
The lie language, the tactics, the mechanics may be tailored
for the modern age, but make no mistake. From Silicon
Valley to DC, to social media to pop culture, a
new eugenics movement has arrived, and it is every bit

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as morally repugnant and anti creation as the OG version.
The New York Times Rosstoutact recently hosted a high flying
young tech founder who has secured Peter Teel funding to
explain her company's offerings, called Orcin, The company and its founder,
nor Sidiki, promised parents the ability to design a healthy
child through sophisticated embryo testing and selection tech. These couples

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go through a process of IVF, have each of the
created embryos tested, and receive a detailed breakdown of the
generic makeup of each one of the embryos. ORKID is
but one of a number of startups in the field
offering the similar embryo testing services. Another teal back startup,
Nucleus Genomics, specifically test embryos for high IQ hair color,
eye color, left handedness, likelihood for obesity, and a whole

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range of potential health outcomes. As for Orchid, it is
rumored to include on its client list the richest man
on the planet, Elon Musk. It is increasingly popular in
Silicon Valley and, according to Sidiki, has already worked with
thousands of parents. Now I would recommend listening to this
entire interview, but I was particularly struck by Sideki's explanation
of the inspiration for her work and how kind of

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early echoes some of the plotline of the Black Stork.

Speaker 6 (41:23):
So growing up, you know, my mom.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
Got a pretty uh, you know, pretty devastating diagnosis. She
you know, she started by losing her night vision, then
she lost her peripheral vision, and then solely she started
losing her central vision. So she ended up getting diagnosed
with a condition called retinitis pigmentosa. So what that means
is that you sort of progressively go blind, And it

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was a pretty long odyssey to actually get that diagnosis,
and then there was a lot of fear around Okay,
is that going to affect you know, her siblings, my
aunts and uncles. Is it going to affect us her children?
And you know, really kind of what I was obviously
very young when a lot of this was happening.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
How old?

Speaker 8 (42:03):
How old was she when this sort of manifested itself.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
So I think the first symptoms that I think she
had admitted to at least, you know, my dad, were
probably in her early thirties, and then I think maybe
in her mid thirties is when kind of he pushed
her enough to be like, hey, I think this is
something that you know, you should you should really be
uh you know, looking into and I think that, uh,
you know, really what you know, sat with me and left,

(42:29):
And what I fell through that experience was just this
sort of profound unfairness, right, this idea that you know,
there's this genetic lottery that's unfolding and some people win
and some people lose, and through no fault of their own,
someone who I love, you know bitterly, you know, isn't
going to be able to enjoy the things like you know,
being able to you know, see her grandkids, and you know,

(42:52):
just things that I think you know you and I
take for granted that, hey, we're going to be able
to see into into old age.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
So just to be really clear here, if Sidiki's grandparents
had been able to avail themselves of orchids technology, they
would have been able to select from a range of
embryos of varying characteristics and likely would have discarded the
one with the genetic markers for this adult onset blindness.
In other words, the embryo which would have grown to
be Sidiki's mom would have been destroyed after having been

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labeled defective. Reminiscent of the doctor in Black Store, Sidiki
presents this as a moral choice that would have saved
her mother and their family from the pain of grappling
with her blindness and the possibility that future generations may
also inherit this condition.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
If I took the trays of embryos that contain you
and your husband's embryonic children and I threw them in
the river, what kind of crime have I committed? Have
I committed a property crime?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Like?

Speaker 6 (43:46):
Should I pay a fine?

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Like?

Speaker 8 (43:47):
What have I done?

Speaker 7 (43:48):
I think that the question of okay, an embryo that
is going to get adult onset blindness. What do I
think about that embryo? My mom doesn't want to be blind,
She doesn't want me to be blind, don't want her
grandkids to be blind. So I think that it is
a positive moral choice. It is the responsible decision as
a parent to detect that risk at the earliest possible

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stage and to transfer the embryo that has the best
probability of a healthy life. I don't think that there's
any moral question there. I think almost the opposite. I
think that creating stigma, or creating some sort of taboo
around the idea that parents would want to proactively get
that information is a dangerous idea to propagate.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
No moral question, and a dangerous idea to propagate. Pretty interesting,
of course, selecting to guard against a medical condition, that's
one thing. Custom designing a super race is quite another.
Any guess what trait Silicon Valley types are most interested
in selecting for.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
According to the.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Wall Street Journal, tech executives are shelling out big bucks
for designer high IQ babies. Their article titled Inside Silicon
Valley's growing obsession with having smarter babies details the way
that tech executives are increasingly and tens or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars to avail themselves of orchid type
tech in an effort to guarantee high IQ offspring. Some

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are also spending hundreds of thousands on high end matchmakers
who compare them with high achieving IVY League mates in
hopes of passing on these intellectual genetic blessings. A statistical
geneticist from Harvard Medical School explained to The Wall Street Journal,
this fascination with what is being styled genetic optimizations. Go
ahead and put this quote up on the screen, they say,
I think they have a perception that they are smart,

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and they are accomplished, and they deserve to be where
they are because they have quote good genes. Now they
have a tool where they think that they can do
the same thing in their kids as well. Right now,
If that is not the definition of a eugenics mindset,
I don't know what is. Specifically, the ideology that some
genes are good and some genes are bad. Therefore, some

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people are innately superior and deserving of certain privileges visa
VII their genetically inferior brethren. This type of thinking is
currently coursing through the body politic right now in a
variety of forms. Now, the original eugenics movement combined anti
immigrant fervor over fear that other races would degrade the
white American wasp stock with a progressive era zest for

(46:15):
radical reform, support for eugenic policies like for sterilization. It
was actually concentrated in the well off, educated, sophisticated circles,
kind of like Silicon Valley now. The movement itself was
also fomented at a time of great change, as the
Industrial Revolution concentrated wealth and transformed the population from rural
to urban. You can see some of these same strands

(46:36):
coming together right now, as Elon Musk and his obsession
with birth rates and spreading his allegedly high IQ seed
finds common cause with the racial nativist obsessives people like
Stephen Miller, who I don't have to tell you has
a lot of power now. When white nationalist Stephen Miller
cautions against importing the Third World, he is asserting that
people who come from developing nations aren't poor because of

(46:58):
their geography or because of the poverty they were born into,
but because of their inherently immutably inferior genetics. When Trump
warns about immigrants poisoning the blood of the nation, he
is engaging in that same sort of genetic essentialism. Such
views are given full throated endorsement among increasingly influential racist influencers,

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people like Nick fuent Tests. Here he is explaining to
Candice Owen's his view that bad black people are inherently
genetically inferior.

Speaker 9 (47:26):
So I'm trying to understand if you're actually you think
that it's all black people are like this, or if
your world is kind of colored by this is what's
going on in America.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
This has failed for a thousand reasons.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
Welfareism has definitely, I mean black people in nineteen forty
stand up my grandfather. I talk about that denigration and
the corrosion of culture that's happening white, black, whatever you
want to name it. There is this intentional corrosion of culture.
So do you think it's literally, well, this is just
what a black person is when they come out, or
do you think that post welfare LBG great society, this

(48:01):
is what Black Americans have become. And I have a
right to respond to that and say that, as a
white man, I don't want to live there.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Well, you know, I think it's more nature than people
would like to believe. You know, there's this classic tension
of is it nature, is it nurture, is it is
it cultural? Or is it intrinsic? Is it racial? And
I've always been on the latter side of this among conservatives.
Conservatives like to say it's it's all culture. Black America
is the way it is because of hip hop music

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and the Great Society and that kind of stuff, And
I think the uncomfortable reality is a big part of
it is intrinsic.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
One of the big arguments against the abolition of slavery
in the eighteen sixties is that, you know, when Europeans
colonized Africa, they hadn't discovered the wheel. There's no two
story buildings, there's no writing, there's no written language. Missionaries
had to go to Africa in the last century and
invent it for the African people because there's no recorded history.
They didn't have writing in Subseran Africa, and we didn't

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Europeans not penetrate them until late nineteenth century.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
They didn't have any of this.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
It's the extent that you have infrastructure in Africas from
the Muslims in the Sahel, in the Maghreb, in northern
Africa where the Arabs colonized, and then you had you know,
Carthage in Egypt, you had ancient civilizations, but sub sore
in Africa they didn't have that. You take these people
out of that land and put them here, and they're
enslaved people. You let them free in a modern liberal republic,

(49:28):
They're not going to succeed. It's not going to go
well for them. And that was one of the arguments
against abolition. People said, if you free them without any assimilation,
without any kind of process for them to be acclimated,
they're going to die. And that's exactly what happened. Many
of like the bottom ten percent of like the lowest
IQ Africans just died off for generations. And it had

(49:49):
a you know, pardon the expression, but it had a
eugenic effect because over time, if the if the weakest
are dying off. That's one argument for why blacks in
America have of a standard deviation higher IQ than the
blacks and subs are in Africa.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
All right, let me spend a little bit of time
on that, because that is all utter and complete garbage.
So the data overtime actually tells the story of black
IQ scores consistently closing the gap with those of whites
in America. This would not be possible if black people
are just inherently immutably inferior, forever and always. Data also
shows an exceptional record of achievement among black immigrants from

(50:24):
Sub Saharan Africa and Africa in general. Specifically, Nigerian immigrants
as a population have the highest college attainment of any
ethnic subgroup in the entire country. Not to mention to
flatten all of Africa or even all of Sub Saharan
Africa into a single race, is in and of itself
complete and utter nonsense. Africa is the single most genetically
diverse continent on the planet. Now, I'm not saying nature

(50:47):
is irrelevant when it comes to characteristics like IQ, but
Fuintez seems to dismiss nurture altogether. Maybe the clearest example
to debunk this nonsense comes from countries like South Korea,
which experienced rapid em development, lifting much of their population
out of poverty. Lo and behold, average IQ in South
Korea went from below ninety to above one oh five

(51:08):
in just two generations, and impossibility if IQ was primarily
genetically determined and immutable Asians in general. Let's keep in
mind we're once stereotyped as inherently unintelligent. Now they're kicking
white people's asses so hard in college admissions that we
have to rig the selection process just to keep some
white diversity on elite college campuses.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Not to mention, I hate to break into these people,
some of the.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Most dysfunctional moruns I have ever met are high IQ.
This somewhat bullshit indicator is famously piss poor at actually
predicting life's success. However, as we barrel towards an AI
future where jobs are scarce, wealth is concentrated in the
hands of a few trillionaires, and the stakes of making
it into the global elite may be the difference between

(51:50):
unending wealth and unending misery. It's not hard to see
where all of this could ultimately lead us. Obviously, we
already see a crack down on immigration, which has often
overtly sold the name of racial purity. It's the exact
same dynamic that we saw in the run up to
the passage of the Immigration Act of nineteen twenty four,
which was explicitly crafted by eugenesis based on their junk

(52:11):
science of which races were more or less inferior this
time around. I don't think we're likely to get for
sterilization laws, Alista, don't think so to block the quote
unquote defective from pro creating. Instead, the modern version is
going to be driven by the logic of the market
in arms race by those with the means to secure
their child's spot in the elite class that can pay
to insulate themselves from the ravages of War's climate crisis,

(52:34):
and whatever AI has.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
In store for all of us.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
If Black Stork that film I started with served as
pro eugenics propaganda, the nineteen ninety seven film Gatica provides
the high tech eugenics cautionary tale that rings far too
true given the innovations of companies like Orchid. In Gatica,
genetic perfectionism and discrimination leads to an impossibly rigid and
dystopian class structure, where those children who were born via

(53:00):
the genetic privilege of Orchid like tech lurd over the
poor untouchables who were birth the old fashioned way with
all of the genetic risk that that mode entails. Orchid's founder,
in that interview with Ross if you watch all of it.
She talks about freedom, she talks about choice, she talks
about quote unquote genetic privilege. She uses the language of
progressivism to push a vision of the world in which

(53:22):
we are all flattened into good genes and bad genes,
defective and perfected, and humans are handed one more way
to divide each other up into worthy and unworthy. Then again,
maybe the joke will be on all the IQ obsessed
elite after AI takes over the intellectual jobs and all
of us over educated smarty pants types are left wishing

(53:42):
we'd learned how to be a plumber sor I'm curious
for your thoughts on Did you you watched the whole interview?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
H yeah?

Speaker 6 (53:48):
I did.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I agree with you there, but I actually do think
you kind of proved the conservative point because the Nigeria
thing is, this is our huge debate about immigration, we
had it yesterday. Do you know who the vast majority
of Nigerian immigrants are. They're called Igbo Nigerian and what
they are is one of the tribes in Nigeria that
has long held success and prioritarized education. If all Nigerians came,
it's not that they're all stupid. It's not intrinsically genetic.

(54:10):
But that's the point that culture does matter part of
the reason that I am the same.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
So you're making the Candice point, Yeah, I am culture,
not the Fenta's point.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
No, no, no, they're just inherently bad.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I'm backing you up on your Nigeria point. But I'm
what I am saying though, is that is a lot
of my immigration Like my immigration objection is that the
vast majority of people coming here illegally and who you know,
people like you want to legalize are low skilled people
who barely speak English and are barely literate in their
own language.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
But we've seen are going to have a lot of
stress that if you look at the history of immigration
from all sorts of countries, regardless of what skill level
they are at when they're coming. I don't doubt that
that's the case for Nigerian story. It's why you have
high attainment. I mean, you also see that Indian immigrants,
yes they're off, but you also see you know, immigrant

(55:01):
populations outperforming native populations given their socioeconomic status kind of
across the board, I mean, in terms of the level
of entrepreneurship, in terms of things like college entertainment in
terms of even lower crime levels, etc.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
I think it's I think I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
The people that you're talking about are not included in
those statistics. Like, for example, in the black population, the
Haitian population of New York famously outdid many of the
native Black populations of the United States. They have a
huge cultural difference. And look, this is actually a very
conservative Black talking point about Haitian and Caribbean immigrants are
much more family oriented and they didn't experience the same

(55:39):
level of destruction and that was a huge part of
the Harlem Renaissance and all this stuff going back to
the nineteen twenties. I look, I don't believe in a
lot of this genetic determinism. I think cultural determinism is everything.
But that's part of why I oppose low skilled immigration
coming to the United States, because they can't succeed and
have not been screened for the same level of success.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
True that they can't succeed, they do succeed.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
They can't succeed.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
They do they can over one hundred year period, and
we'll have to pay.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
For period over generations.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I mean, we already said anyway, this wasn't supposed to
be at immigration debate. I'm curious about your view on
the technology.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Oh, it's just like, oh my god, I could not
oppose it more, especially because these are the most immoral
transhumanist people who don't care. It's just like the boomer
mentality I was talking about. It's literally the same where
it's all about genetic determinism, as if that is going
to prioritize who you become IQ. Famously, Ted Kosinski had
a once didn't you have a one to sixty IQ,

(56:33):
which is crazy high like top you know, he's the
Unibomber's which proves what his own mother says that he
was left as a little baby for eleven days and
that he lost like any of the humanity that he
ever had. Kind of proves the you know, nurture point
interest as you backing you up. The highest IQ people
ever met, like really really really high IQ probably like

(56:54):
top point two percent, like way beyond mensa freaks, weirdos absolute.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Like now so siug Justted. They did the IQ study.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
The Mountain Glad wealthy Yeah, remember where they followed the
highest IQ people in the state of California. Yea, And
they were like oh, these are going to be the
most It didn't happen. Actually, most of the high IQ
people they did, they have a lot of trouble succeeding
in life.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
We talked about this some when we covered the way
that these personal traits are changing for younger generations and
how much conscientiousness has fallen off a cliff. That's actually
the trait that is most likely to predict life success.
And you know, your ability to like follow through and
your determination if you are committed to something, and you
know the other like IQ is kind of junk signs

(57:37):
to start with, and then the idea that you can.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
Like, I need to look into it more.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But some of the science that I saw too is
even the way they talk about, you know, being able
to genetically determine in this way without having other trade offs.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Also really seems like jug site. So for example, like
you may select for high IQ that may also lead
to higher risk of autism. You know that's and then
you know these other traits that may be more important
in terms of actually being able to succeed and be functional,
et cetera, Like you're not. But even putting all of
that aside, it's extremely dystopian, that we're pretty rapidly moving

(58:17):
to a world where the wealthy are sort of like
doing this genetic selection. And I don't think it's hard
to imagine that there's almost like a new more rigid,
even more rigid class structure based on you know, who
is selected that way and who's not.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
So I don't know. I see a lot of this
stuff on the.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Table now, and the language that is used in some
of these circles, it's not exactly the same. But if
you go back and read about the eugenics movement and
the way they talked about it and the way it
did come from, you know, the educator. They thought they
were using science to like better the human race. That's

(58:53):
how they framed it. And you hear that very much
echoed with Sadiki that what I will say is what
challenge me in that is obviously I'm pro choice and
I support IVS. And so when Ross asked this question
about like, Okay, if you discard these embryos, what have
you done, Like what kind of crime have you committed?
Like if you take them and throw them in, they're uncomfortable.

(59:14):
It's it is very uncomfortable. And when I think about
that example of her own mother, who she's saying, I
wish that we'd had the text so that my own
mother was never born.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
That's oh, it's sick wild.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Look, I reckon, I have difficult to reconciling it every day.
I told you.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
You know, Denmark celebrates having no people with Down syndrome.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
They're like, we've succeeded. We either eliminated out.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
It's disgusting, right, Iceland's got the same thing. They have
two to three Down syndrome birds per year. And because
why because they openly test for it and government policy babies.
Who's right?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I mean, it's sickening.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
And look, everybody kind of is okay with eugenics in
a way because mass societally here in the United States. Look,
the Down syndrome abortion rate is probably what sixty something percent,
and if it's you know, for the those I forget
exactly it's very high. I forget exactly what it is,
but I'd have to look it up. But I'm trying
to think, what is it spineddifida? You know, some of

(01:00:11):
the other tests that they have on generic disorders, those
abortion rates are like one hundred percent or near the nineties.
Everyone in the US softly kind of supports or by
choice is participating in eugenicism. And it's like, I don't know,
I think about it all the time because it's like
you said, now we're making much more overt cases like

(01:00:31):
maybe the pro lifers were right. I'm not quite there,
but that you have to say they do have a point,
especially when it comes to it because you know what I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Have to say, Yeah, and embryo is not the same
as a baby, right, And that's where they the black stork,
you know in that film, it's an actual baby who's
been born that the doctor's like, I'm not going to
treat I'm going to effectively murder this baby. That is
a different moral question than discarding an embryo, right, I
think I think most people would say that. But that's

(01:01:04):
but I also can't say that the embryo is nothing, right.
I can't say that it's just like you know, throwing
a piece of trash away, right. I can't say that either,
especially when you think about you know, when you really
think about that example of like this woman's mother, who
she's saying, like, I wish we had had the tech
to destroy that embryo, so we don't have to suffer.
And it's like Jesus Christ, you know this, And that's

(01:01:27):
the core of a eugenics mentality, is the idea that
you know your words of society, or you don't have
inherent humanity, inherent dignity, inherent worth, not because of your
hair color, your eye color, or your IQ score, but
just because you are. And I don't think you have

(01:01:48):
to be religious to have that view. In fact, I
have to say, you know, this is maybe a far afield,
but in this era, when we're watching what's unfolding in
Gaza and like the genocide that's occurring there, it really
has made me put just and as we watch what's
happening with Ai too, just put sort of like support
for humanity at the core of my politics and the
core of my values. And that's what, to me is

(01:02:11):
so disturbing about this mentality. And you really do see
it taking hold in a way that it's like, you know,
especially at the highest heights of society where people have
money and power and are representative in government.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I agree, And it's one of those things where I
what I enjoy the most about having a kid was
the randomness people are like, are you disappointed it wasn't
a boy Like It's like, yes, if you have a choice,
like what But for these people, they actually would have
a choice. That's weird, right, You're losing something in that.
There is something magical about like you don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
I didn't know her. I didn't know what she was
until the day she was born. I loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
I thought it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah, and it's one of those where you know you
just simply are what you are.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Also, I looked it up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
The abortion rate for Down syndrum is between sixty seven
and eighty five percent in the United States. I mean, look,
we're all that's full blown eugenics already, and that's uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I think we and I think.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
More people should actually talk about that in the context
of what you're saying. It's probably even much higher for
several other genetic screening disorders. And the question has to be, like,
what this leads to the permissibility of it IVF.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I didn't know this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
It is standard in IVF to screen all of the embryos,
which is effectively eugenic. So it's not that they're selecting
for it's that if any embryo is genetically you know,
like I don't know, I guess genetically has issues or whatever,
they won't implant them.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Yeah, that's eugenics too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, that's baked into the IVF system.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And Ross is like, you know, much more kind of
he's not anti genetic IVF, but he's much more I mean,
you right, if I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Just explained that to people, everyone should kind of be like,
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
And his point to her is basically like, Okay, people
are okay with it when it's you know, people are
struggling with fertility issues and this is an intervention to
allow them, you know, the miracle of parenting when they
would not have been able to have a baby at all.
But it is a different question when you're talking about
this for basically all of society, where it becomes the fringe,

(01:04:08):
weird thing to do, to do it the old fashioned way,
and is there something about the human experience that is
lost if that's what we're shifting towards.

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
In any case, it was a good, great monologue.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Okay, Friday show for everybody tomorrow, see you guys then.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Also, this is gonna be late as hell. Sorry,