August 22, 2025 • 63 mins
Ryan, Emily, and Griffin discuss a morning FBI raid on John Bolton's house, violent mayhem breaking out at Wesley Bell's town hall, Gavin Newsom's ongoing meme war, and then we turn to the Israelis admitting their army database shows at least 83% of deaths in Gaza were civilians.
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Good morning everyone. How's everybody doing? Ryan and Emily in
this very early am.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I mean it's earlier for you, man.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, well, I mean it's the earliest for the FBI,
because the FBI is they're waking up, they're getting started,
and it inspired me to hop out of bed.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Yeah, they had they had their wadies nice and early
and got to John Bolton's house by seven am.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So we'll have details on that coming up.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
That's right. You know what.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We're also going to be talking a little bit about Israel.
We're going to be looking at a Wesley Bell town
hall and a ruling on Alligator Alcatraz, as well as
more in the fun second half, answering AMA questions and
getting to the stories that would get taken down if
we put on the public YouTube. With that being said,
(01:20):
let's let's just get right into it. You know, it's
an early morning. I thought I was waking up early,
but it's actually the FBI that are rising and shining here.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
So the FBI.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Rated John Bolton's home, which we've got video of right here,
and it has happened early in the morning.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
What are we going to make of this? Ryan and Etai?
Speaker 7 (01:39):
The Post got the exclusive on this, which their New
York Post is not in Bethesda, so somebody from the
administration clearly tipped them off.
Speaker 8 (01:48):
What can we learn? What do we what can we
pull from from the Post.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Right which, by the way, I think it's worth noting
that potential tip off is a and has been for
a long time, a significant point that conservatives have used
about the roger Stone raid, and roger Stone has already
been posting, of course, but it appeared that CNN got
a leak about that raid. Now The New York Post
(02:12):
says that Bolton has not been arrested and is not
charged with any crimes as of Friday morning, according to
an official. But the raid comes after quote years of
investigation into the potentially criminal release of information, despite Trump's
first National Security Council assessing it as classified. So remember
John Bolton was Trump's NSA's National Security advisor. Now the
(02:37):
Post reports the related investigation began in twenty twenty, according
to this official, the same year, Trump's first Justice Apartment
launched a criminal inquiry into Bolton's alleged disclosure of national
securit secrets in his book The Room Where It Happened,
which many people probably remember because it had a big,
splashy debut. He was all over most corporate media channels.
(03:00):
And now John Bolton is under I believe his office
was rated yesterday as well. So the Biden administration, recording
the Post, quashed this particular investigation for what the Trump
administration appears to be telling the Post was political reasons.
But that's what we're seeing happen right now. At John
(03:21):
Bolton's house in Bethesda, it looked like his office in DC.
And then you have Cash Betel posting no one is
above the law. And Dan Bongino talking about that as
well or posting cryptically about that as well.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So kind of a wild morning in the beltwayh Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
And I'm deeply conflicted here because you know, I hate
to see the FBI weaponized, you know, for political purposes.
I genuinely don't want the United States to become the
kind of place where both parties are throwing each other's
opponents in prison, right, Like, you know, having covered a
lot of countries around the world, the countries to do
(04:03):
that don't have the don't have functional politics. On the
other hand, man on Bolton getting right, Oh boy, hard
to criticize that. So yeah, I guess we'll just let them,
let them fight for now.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah, I mean that'll be I mean for people listening
are probably immediately thinking, wasn't Donald Trump himself claiming that
there's a weaponized investigation.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Into his own.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
His own allegedly improper use of or improper.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Oh, let the storage underscore how how comical that is.
We'll see, he had bathrooms full of classified information. He
was showing He's on tape saying no after he was present,
but he was, he was on tape saying I can't
show you this I shouldn't even have this.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
This is classified. But here let me show Okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Now John Bolton of course obviously doesn't have any of
the declassification or wouldn't have the declassification powers of a
president now Trump. This is what's sort of ridiculous about
the classified document investigation, so they're into Biden or into
Donald Trump, is that they could have They can claim
essentially that they waived a magic wand and now we
didn't really see that play out in court and declassify it,
(05:26):
but you know, obviously it was. These classified document investigations
of presidents are insane and weaponized. Already, we've already sort
of crossed that rubicon.
Speaker 9 (05:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
And I would argue that Roger Stone raid was across
rubicon as well, or was part of crossing that rubicon
as well. Was not above the Biden administration, uh, to
do political theater like this. So here we have John Bolton,
America's sweetheart, finding himself the target of it.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And you know, at least with the Trump document, and
he kept them in the bathroom so you could flush
them in an emergency, right, So that's actually the safest
place to keep them. John Bolton's probably keeping them in
like a safe, which is not safe at all.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
That's protected. You can't destroy them easily.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
A lot of people get that wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yep, yeah, but I mean John Bolton it's probably the
last year or two Ben sky high because he's dreamed
since he was a little boy to go to war
with Iran. So it's been a lot of ups and
downs for him. What have we got to throwback here?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Let's do it. I can't hear it, Emily me.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Neither of that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Okay, if you can't hear it.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
It's John Bolton talking openly about how he.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Has done a few coups.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
He corrects Jake Tapper who says it's not easy to
do a coup, and John Bolton says, well, listen, you
coups can be done.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Not impossible. Nothing's impossible if you set your heart and
mind and soul to it.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
He's run some failed coups too, which he talked about, Yeah,
like Clay in Venezuela. And now John he's getting his
policy you know, played out by Marco Rubio.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And this is the exact quote.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Tapper says, one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt
a coup, and Bolton response.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I disagree with that. As somebody who's helped.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Plan coup to tad not here but other places. It
takes a lot of work. So this gets to Ryan
feeling personally conflicted about John Bolton, who comes out of
you know, the Cold War new conservative strain of the right,
and this this question of extra judicial conduct. When you're
(07:31):
on television talking about how you've planned one or.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Two coups, uh, you know, maybe it is time for
a little come up.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
And whether it's John Bolton or someone else, I'm all
ears to hear what he what laws he is alleged
to have violated.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
And it is nice that he's so familiar with carrying
out kup data that he would even use the like
French plural pronunciation of the French plural accurately.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I got to be pretty deep in the weeds to
know that if you've done multiple coups, the plural would
be coup de ta right.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, It's like when a filmmaker used to say, yeah,
coups desta nice.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah, speaking of Trady general in your world perfect.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So speaking of law and order, you know, we also
have some breaking news here about everyone's favorite facility, Alligator Alcatraz,
A federal judges giving Florida sixty days to clear out
the immigration detention facility called Alligator Alcatraz. The ruling forbid
state officials from moving any other migrants there. Uh, now,
what are the reasons why this incredible, functional, necessary facility
(08:43):
has been shut down?
Speaker 7 (08:45):
So the local tribe that lives there brought this case
saying that the and the Abundance crew. I wonder I
wonder if they will rush to the defense of Alligator
Alcatraz because they brought environmental concerns. So, as you guys know,
I was down there the week before it was opened
(09:05):
and was there as the as the trucks.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Were going in on a minute by minute.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Basis, and I am I am not an ie environmental expert,
but I could just tell you just from watching it
that bringing in generators, all of the you know, sewage facilities,
all this construction material into a very small wetland area
(09:34):
is going to be destructive to that wet wetland area.
And so the specific ruling from this judge is that
they have to remove all the gasoline, they have to
remove the generators, and they have to move all the
all the sewage related stuff because clearly it is leaking
sewage and gasoline constantly into the wetlands, which would destroy
(09:58):
it for you know, a generation or two, and so
that is that would of course, well, the washing Post
report says that would effectively shut the camp down. I
suppose if they wanted to get you know, extraordinarily medieval,
they could say, Okay, we're going to leave the people
here and we just won't have any generators or sewage facility,
(10:23):
and just this is the judge's fault. So she's also
saying you can't bring anybody new now. Ronda Santis responded
by saying his comment was the deportations will continue until
morale improves, so defiant in the face of this judicial order.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
So so we'll see.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
I could say on the merits, it's quite obvious you
can't build a giant generator powered sewage facility with thousands
of people in the middle of the destroying the wetlands
because of the right. Yeah, the tribal not in my
not in my backyard.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
I'm part I'm part of the yes in my swamp.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So yeah, So what this came down to, So Friends
of the Everglades one of the groups that sued, but
the question at hand was like the federal component of
Alligator Alcatraz. So the judge said that federal immigration enforcement
was quote the key driver of Alligator Alcatraz being built,
(11:27):
and so because of that, it has to be subject
to federal environmental laws and can't be subject to state
environmental laws. So that was the sort of technical workaround,
will not work.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Around, But that was sort of the technical yes, right.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
So we'll see.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
I mean, the law is clear on this, you can't
do this. We'll see if the law matters at all.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
It's also kind of sad that like we're not it's
not being like outlawed because it's like mean or cruel.
It's out being outlaw because of like the swamp land
creatures have more humanity than the people were thrown around there.
And also just on the outside of the environmental it
sounds like very resource intensive to have like a gulag
in the middle of the nowhere, Like I know, it's
(12:13):
like it's part of the part of the fantasy.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
It's like we're gonna throw them out into the middle
of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It reminds me of how in La there's always been
these dreams by Rick Caruso to build like a homeless
encampment like in the desert, just because it sounds cool
to like throw everybody in the desert. But then it
sounds like it's costing a lot more money. But I know,
you know, we're seeing more and more of these alligator
alcatrazes pop up in other states that are not in
swamp areas, and they all have like cute little names
(12:40):
like you guys don't need the other names of.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Nebraska the corn Clink or something. Yeah, yeah, we uh
at drop site. We obtained from a FEMA source. The
cost of this one, I believe it was six hundred
and sixty million dollars for the first year, So you
can do the math on the relatively small number of
people will be housed there, and it's just an incredible
(13:04):
amount of money per person to house them in these
utterly deplorable conditions which also put them at risk, like
these hurricanes that form in the Gulf I mean also
the ones that form the Caribbean, but the ones that
form in the Gulf of whatever you want to call it.
You know, they can hit the keys in a matter
of days, and evacuating that many people would be effectively
(13:29):
impossible in such a scenario, and so yeah, it's a
disaster waiting to happen and ongoing.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Well, big question of what happens to everybody who's there now.
So the disands administration, I think, to its discredit, has
not allowed journalists access since they had cameras the first
time when Trump toured with Christinome. But since then we
haven't seen inside Alligator Alcatraz. We've heard reports through lawyer
(14:00):
and such, but what happens to all of the people
in there right now is a big open question. And
I just my dissent from both of you, or my
quick dissenting take from both of you, would be that
we have a truly massive number of people who are
going to need to be processed. I mean, if the
(14:21):
Trump administration, well if the Biden administration net according to
David David Lenhart the New York Times, about eight million
immigrants over the course of his four years as president,
not all of them illegal by any means, some of
them on asylum cases, but there are many, many people
(14:41):
who then you know, unless you do a past the citizenship,
which is politically almost impossible for the right to.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Do, then have to be processed.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
And so there is a I mean a serious question
of how to do that humanely in a way that's
not dropping people in the swamp.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
So that's I mean, I don't think there's a lot
of concern on the right now for how to do
that humanely. I don't think there's a lot of.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah, right, but if you're if they're you know, if
they're talking about addressing it seriously. This is also not
a serious answer in the sense that if there are
eight million people and you can put a thousand of
them at Alligator Alcatraz, you would need I just did
the calculator right here, you would need eight thousand of
(15:32):
these concentration camps around the country running it all running
at all times, if each one of them is six
hundred million dollars. Let's see, people can check my math here,
but that looks like what four trillion?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So wow, And yeah, you're also gonna run out of uh,
you're gonna run out of cute nicknames by like number ten,
and then you're just gonna have to start using numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think they've already run out of cute nicknames.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
But that was that was kind of the point that
I was making, is that like you can expand to
alligator Alcatraz, and it doesn't actually you can expand it
to all of the different states. That's not actually even
putting a dent in. Really what you need to do.
What they wanted it to do was make a point,
which is why they wanted to use the Alcatraz name
for the purposes of self deportation. And I do want
(16:19):
to point out this other New York Times story, there
was this really interesting release of Pew data that found
between January and June. So just January and June of
this year, the immigrant population in the United States, I
think I can share it declined by almost one and
a half million, which will likely, of course, bolster the
(16:43):
Trump administration's claims that self deportations are being fueled by
some of these tactics.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
But yeah, what was that again? What was that number?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
One and a half million from January to June. So
in just have left just a decline in the immigrant population.
And it's Pew, so they're they're serving the population they
can't tell completely.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
But yes, yeah, but yeah, that tracks to me, like, yeah,
immigrant communities, but particular, like the social media in immigrant
communities is NonStop fear. It's NonStop images of raids and
windows being smashed and people being beaten on the ground,
and so it would track to me that not only
(17:25):
do you have very few people coming in, that people
are just going to be leaving self deporting as wrong
they put in right.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, and it just seems like everything's designed for social media,
you know, whether it's like the DC people only you know,
taking National Guard photo shoes in front of like the
Lincoln Memorial or you know, these sort of highlighted, kind
of brutal social media videos. But then when to Emily's point,
(17:54):
when it comes down to like the raw numbers of
like what you'd have to do, that seems to be
still a big question of how they do any of
that in reality, or if they're just going to rely
on these sort of propaganda videos to kind of feed
the hogs.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Well, it's the videos, and they are also doing CBP Home,
which offers like a thousand dollars travel stype and for
people to if we borrow met Romney's verbiage self deport
and they feel like they've had a good they feel
like that's been working for them, and I guess the
Pew study would confirm that. But it's a combination of
the carrot and the stick, which is the financial incentive
(18:32):
will make it easy, as they say, to help you
book a flight and leave, which also I think if
you want to come back, you don't get penalized.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
So if you try to.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Go through legal pathways in the future, if you use
CBP home, you don't get penalized as part of that,
and then also ratcheting up the imagery and talking about
things like alligator Alcatraz as part of it.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Meanwhile, real quickly, I was talking to a contractor here
in DC yesterday who said two of his carpenters didn't
show up for work yesterday. And you know, most contractors
work with subcontractors, and the sub contractors are the ones
they're tasked with you verifying immigration status. And that's where
it's in the subcontractor level at a lot of this
(19:24):
where where a lot of people without documents end up,
you know, getting work. And his point was, Yill you
want me to hire a whit or black carpenter who
has legal paperwork here, I'm happy to show me one.
Like what's what's the plan here? This is a generational problem,
Like what's what's your what's your step two in this plan? Here,
(19:47):
so you've successfully you've successfully scared these people out from
coming to work or leaving or into leaving the country.
Was there a single penny and build back better for
h eight schools? Not build back better big beautiful bill,
big beautiful bill. You know, there might have been something.
It certainly was not a priority. Certainly was not something
(20:10):
that they said, you know, we're going to train a
generation of Americans to do the kinds of jobs that
we're telling them that they we want them to do.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
It looks like they expanded five twenty nines to include
trade school.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
So okay, so that's the most Kamala Harris thing ever.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
So you can go to So five twenty nine is
that's where you can get a tax break for putting
money away for your kid to go to school. So
now they expand that to trades will Now if you
open it in a disadvantaged neighborhood that has been you know,
majority white, so let's do DEI for you know, white people,
(20:52):
and it has and it insists on doing subsidized business
with Israel for three years. Then you can get this
tax break towards trade school. That would be I guess
the Republican version of the of the Kamala Harris approach
to education reform. So yeah, so tinkering at the edges
of five twenty ninees is not a remotely serious like
(21:16):
way to develop a generation of carpenters and electricians and
all the kinds of people that we are brutalizing and
trying to drive out of the country. So I guess
good luck to us.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'm excited to see all the new buildings that pop
up over the next couple of years going to be
by made by failsun college educated people who can't get
a job at quiz NOO's. They're going to be putting
up my house. I mean, I even know people here
in LA that work in construction. My brother works on houses,
and what a lot of places do not on my
(21:54):
brother's sites, but I had a lot of sites. I
hear is the guys have to now like either park
their cars down the street or park their cars in
the backs of the houses, and they have to like
tape up the windows to kind of obscure your inside
working on these homes.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yeah, that's part of some workers that they used to
meet on a corner because they were all going to
the same place and now they stay in their homes
and they you know, dash out when geech get picked
up like home by home.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
This is a chart that shows the foreign born share
of the workforce declining and the native born share of
the workforce increasing. Now this is again like I want
to be clear that all of this stuff is like
loaded with to the point that you were making Ryan
(22:46):
consequences that are not even there's basically nothing that you
can It's a generational it's not like a wave of
magic wand and you increase the share of the domestic
workforce and everyone's suddenly taking apprenticeship and everything's.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Fine, And that's not it's only it's only general and
there was actually there were there's tons of money for
apprenticeships in build back better, which I bet they rip
that out. But it's only generational if you actually invest
in it. If you don't, then the next generation we're
not going to have, like we're not going to have
the carboners electricians then either. Like people think that this
stuff is just going to happen, but yeah, we could
(23:23):
also just go into rapid and long long term decline
as a country. Like that is also a thing we're choosing. Yeah,
but it does to have options on the table.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I was anecdotally I have heard I'm not a gig
work apologist in any way whatsoever. I have though heard
that was a problem for people native born people who
were looking for for gig work had actually a problem
doing that in recent years, And just anecdotally, that seems
to have changed here in d C in the two
week experiment we've had with this federal takeover.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
So I don't that's just gig work. That's not you know,
skill like.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Getting more like they're getting more Uber.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Eats deliveries and yeah, because that's that might be. Yeah,
but yes, but that's the kind of thing that doesn't
need years of investment to learn.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
For most people, it's not their ideal work situation.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
It's not great.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yeah. On that note, let's move on to some other
Democrat news here.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
There was a tussle, a dust stop, if you will,
at the Saint Louis Police and Security.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
We're calling for Rep. Wesley Bell at a town hall.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Here's a video from one constituent and filmed some of
the assaults and by the end is getting thrown to
the ground themselves.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Yeah, and I could add a little bit of background
here too that so this was a the town hall
held by Wesley Bell, who defeated Corey Bush in that
contentious primary, as Bush and other constituent tour at this said,
so it was it was tense. You know, Bell did
everything he could to stack the audience, uh, you know,
(25:09):
requiring tickets and you know it was not it's just
not a free for all. But still like most of
the people there were pretty hostile to him m hm.
And so Aftertle for what reason, Ryan Israel Israel like yelling,
yelling at him about Israel.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
And he kept and he was defending, like, you know,
calling them, you know, what are you supporters of October
seventh or whatever.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
So after after the event, after the event.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
For people who are not to erupt Ryan, but for
people who are just hearing the audio here I mean this,
there are large men grabbing women by their hair and
throwing them to the.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Ground and throat and so at the end of the event,
Bell tells them, I got to go talk to the
media in the back. I'm gonna do some interviews and
then I'll come out and speak with people. So Bell
leaves and then immediately all the security starts attacking these
constituents saying the town hall's over, you got to leave
and that and that's how this event unfolded. That you
(26:07):
just that you just witness and so now I saw
an Alderman shared that Corey Bush also shared that saying
what was he? Bell has questions to answer here? Did
like did he tell them to stay and then order
the his his security to get them out? Did he
lie to them basically and set them up for this
for this physical confrontation. So Belle is vulnerable and Corey
(26:30):
Bush is has clearly been publicly flirting with a with
a rematch against him. A lot of a lot of
news about Bell and and about his tenure as a
prosecutor and in Saint Louis broke after he won the election,
including sexual harassment, allegations, allegations of inappropriate like romantic relationships
(26:53):
with staff, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
So and also, so you know, we're now two years.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Into this genocide, two years deeper, and so the climate
is different perhaps for Bush.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
So I think I think I think Bell is vulnerable here.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, And I mean, like just to give people a
little context for people who don't remember everything about Wesley Bell,
he APAC went all in on his race to unseen
Corey Bush. The APAC tracker here claims that he's gotten
over twelve million dollars from the Israel lobby. I was
reading something that like almost two thirds of all of
(27:35):
Wesley Bell's donations were like directly from a pack or
like a pack affiliated people. So this was just one
of the most egregious, like thumb on the scale races
we've seen since the Jamal Bowman won.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Is that right, Ryan, Yes, that that is the second
most they've ever spent to knock something to knock somebody out.
And her race was close, much closer four thousand I think,
and Bowman Bowman got trounced, whereas Bush only lost by yeah,
a few thousand votes. So this this could this could
(28:12):
be an interesting race.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I mean, it is just this.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Is one of the most illustrative APAC examples. It's like
you're talking about a district in the Saint Louis area
that needs to have what how much twelve million, twelve
million million, twelve million dollars coming to prevent one vote
(28:36):
and one voice on one issue that has that is
not a domestic issue.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Right, It's like, does money mean anything to you guys
like that. You can just drop twelve million.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
They're already Paul Singers already enough.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Pall Singer's already a million deep into the Thomas Massey primary,
like a primary.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yeah, Kentucky is mass gonna win that?
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Yes, because they're thrown everything at him, right, I mean,
They've got Trump's team is out there.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I think I think you'll be fine, But I don't know.
Maybe it's worth a trip. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do
that check it out.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And it's also especially egregious to see that amount of
money thrown in and kind of you know, Democrats just
kind of looking the other way on it. Oh, he's
just another congressman like everyone else. And it's like, okay, sure.
I mean, in another little bit of Democrat news here,
I did want to bring up and get y'all's reactions
(29:35):
to something happening over in Minnesota where the Minnesota THEFL
have revoked their already's endorsement of State Senator Omar Fata.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Is it Fata? Yeah, in the Minneapolis mayor's race. Now,
this guy is is he DSA?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
He's he's like Ann, He's out and out out of
the closet socialist.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Yeah, he's I don't know if he's I think he's TSA,
but he's definitely, yeah, he's he would not be offended
at being called a socialist mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And so they I guess endorsed and then to pull
to pull that back, which kind of is it's just
a fascinating one as well, because it's it's like it's
such a it's such a you know, it's the mayor
of Minneapolis, and it's just like, Okay, the the Democrats,
they they don't care. This is still like an old
(30:28):
litmus test that they're applying because did he make any
statements on Israel or is it just his socialist bona fides.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
Well, so they're saying, I don't know how close you've
looked into it, Emily, I haven't had a chance to
dive into the weeds. They're they're saying that they discovered
in irregularity in the way that the Excel spreadsheet was
handled during the during the caucus, that this one candidate
was deleted from one of the rounds of voting, and
(30:59):
that that made the whole thing unfair. I think there
might be more in the in the weeds there's some
people who were just straight up accusing him of like
fraudulently messing with the spreadsheets somehow. Others are saying, no,
that this was an error. This is the part, this
is the party's error. Either way, they they took all
of the controversy around it and said, all right, well,
(31:22):
we're just tossing the whole thing out now. The Minnesota
Democratic establishment has wanted to nuke these these caucuses ever
since it became clear that the left was had become
able to outorganize the establishment.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
At these caucuses.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
They're very, very confusing causes you have to go to
like multiple different events. You go to one and then
you get your delegates, and then the delegate and then
you organize those delegates. Then you go to another. Cause
it's like it's more than just like an Iowa caucus.
It's like this months long organizing for and the more
(32:02):
passionate you are, then the more you're the better you're
going to do in this. And it turns out the
left wing of the Minnesota Party is more passionate than
the establishment is, and so they've been out organizing them.
So they've really wanted to get rid of these, you know,
for for a pretty long time. And yeah, they like
the party kind of establishment leadership just does not want
(32:23):
to be the nominee. That's just it's it's not a
coincidence that they're lot of your regularities lined up with
their position here.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
But well, for what reason in particular?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (32:34):
What is the great threat of this Minneapolis mayor candidate.
I mean, for one, it's probably you know, great race
like this. He would be the first Somali American to
be mayor of the city, and I'm sure there's some
like resistance to that there. And but then also the
you know, the socialist politics.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
They want.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
They want more of a Jacob Frey like seems kind
kind of radical, but it is totally amenable to the
business community.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Ran, can you maybe give more contexts on some of
the stuff that's happened with DFL recently, because I actually
think there have been there was there are serious allegations
of chick cannery and fraud stuff with DFL in recent years,
haven't there been Like there's it's been a source of.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Some drama, has been a source of more drama than
most state parties. The head of it is now the
chair of the d n C, Ken Martin. Mm hmmm,
So that that's that's interesting as well.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
There was the the feeding our Future thing. The that
was like the Biden.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
FBI was looking into that and I think people from
DFL were wrapped up in it, but that might and
then the FBI was investigating their endorsement process. Yeah, anyway,
like you said, that's kind of not that unusual for
say parties.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
But Emily, let's keep following this lead.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think the FBI should maybe raise in the DFL,
find out what's going on.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
You know, one's above the law.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, so as I say, John Bolton can take over
the DFL.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Okay, So in that case, you know, I wanted to
get While we're on Democrats and infighting and the socialist candidates,
we had to talk about Graham Platner just for a
quick second here. Graham Platner kind of came out of
nowhere with this campaign video that people have been sharing
(34:40):
around it kind of went viral. He's running against Susan
Collins here in Maine. Let's take a listen to that,
and then let's get y'all's reactions.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I have never met people who are more scrabble, even
in a place that requires you to work like two
or three different jobs. We have watched this state because
I'm essentially unlivable for working class people, and it makes
me deeply angry. My name is Graham Platner, and I'm
running for US Senate and Maine to defeat Susan Collins.
(35:10):
A decade of military service, going overseas, farming oysters to
feed my community, diving to London ham to other fishermen,
trying to start a family. But everywhere I've gone, it
seems like the fabric of what holds us together is
being ripped apart by billionaires and corrupt politicians profiting off
of destroying our environment, driving our families into poverty, and
(35:31):
crushing the middle class.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
So that's a taste of that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Graham Platner running against Republican Susan Collins in Maine.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
What are we to make of this?
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Well, it turns out this has never happened for me before.
It turns out I knew Graham. So Graham grew up
in Maine, then joined the military did I think four
tours over ten years or something, and then went to
g w which maybe Emily knew him. I mean, I've
(36:05):
see probably a little before your time. So he went
to college at George Washington University, never didn't actually finish,
which to me is another feather in the cap of the.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
That is really the best way to go to George Washington.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yes, but while he was there to help pay for it,
he tended bar to tune In, which which was my
home away from home for many years back in the
two thousands. And so when I saw this, I was like,
wait a minute, I know Graham. So I texted the
other bartender, Ned and I was like, is this the
(36:42):
same Graham. He's like, yeah, Graham's running for senator.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
This is awesome. Yes, he is.
Speaker 8 (36:50):
So wild.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
So he'd be the second bartender maybe to come to Congress.
The is this guy Jordan Wood, who we can talk
about more. I'll have a story on him next week.
More of a conventional ish candidate. Janet Mills is the
governor Democratic governor of Maine, and everybody is kind of
(37:13):
waiting for her to decide whether or not she's going
to run. She would be seventy nine when she took office,
which would make crazy Spring Chicken for the Senate, but
still the oldest freshman senator ever in Senate history. So
if you're setting age records in the Senate, you're old.
(37:36):
And also the Senate is a place of seniority, and
so like you know, it takes you know, they basically
don't talk to you in the Senate until you've won
your second until you've won reelection. So she would be
eighty five when her colleagues started to engage with her,
(37:58):
like what do you come on? Democrats like run the
p and you know, she's she's fine, Like I think
she's like minus four or something approval rating. So it's
not like people like despise her, but it's not like
they love her either. Running her would just be the
like this is what we do. We take the governor,
(38:19):
we put her up, and we see what happens. And
now this grand blatner is offering them a different path,
and I think it would make it very easy for
them to say yes too. If he's if he said,
if he's talked in a more passive voice, like our
you know, environments being destroyed, the fabric of our community
(38:43):
is being ripped apart. When he see, yeah, democracy is
at risk. It's when he adds buy billionaires, yep, that
the party is like, oh, this is do we really
have to do we really have to be so rude
about about how it's happening.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Let's just let's just talk about the fact that it
is happening and it's bad. Do we really have to
name them?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
But do?
Speaker 8 (39:06):
You'll go ahead?
Speaker 5 (39:08):
I was gonna say, I think that actually is like
the fine line between Gavin Newsom adopting this new strategy
of like looking like you're punching Republicans in the nose
and then actually executing on that, which is you have
to be able to talk about the system itself being
fundamentally broken, but not in those sort of vague terms
(39:28):
about the system is not working.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You need to say why the system is not working.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
You need to have a platform, so like you can,
you can raise money, and you can boost your name
recognition by trolling Trump on social media. But that doesn't
mean you are going to like suddenly, this is what
Matt Bennett I know, we're going to talk about third way.
He called it quote combative centrism. He says Democrats need
a combative centrist. Well, if centrism looks like Dan Osborne, Yes,
(39:55):
if centrism if combative centrism or Grand Platner. But if
combative centrism looks like Gavin Newsom talking a little bit
more like a populist while also still taking all the
PG and E money and doing whatever he wants with it.
That is the I really feel like, Actually, Ryan, that's
such an important point because that's like the fine line
between looking like a populist and actually being a populist.
(40:17):
And I don't think Dems are prepared for how far
short just looking like a populist goes.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I mean, ask jd Vance.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
Yeah, and Griffin, do we have the the morning Joe.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
I'm gonna pull it up in a second because while
you're looking for that, I'll just add the point that
the path for him too could be the Bernie route
and the Osborne route, which is so Bernie always runs
in the Democratic primary so that nobody can win the nomination,
and then he rejects the nomination and runs as an independent.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
So you could I could imagine Graham doing that that
like if he wins, because Angus King is an independent
senator from Maine, like Maine is a different kind of
state and has a real independent streak to it. They were,
and there were the hipsters when it came to this.
Now it's cool now, but they were. They've been doing
it forever. So you can imagine a world in which
he's like, look, I'm not even necessarily a Democrat here,
(41:12):
I'm running in the Democratic primary, but doesn't mean I
love this party. And if he wins the nomination, he
can decline it and then run as an independent, which
that I think is that is their way of beating
Susan Collins, like they've tried the Sarah Gideon, the last candidate,
(41:33):
had seventy five million dollars and finished with more than
twelve million in the bank. She had another fifty million
in super Pac money. Susan Collins had just as much
and she got beaten by like six points or something.
She was the Speaker of the House like that. They
keep running these like it's my turn Democrats against Susan Collins,
(41:55):
and people are like, Collins is kind of a phony
and a fraud, but always this person and i've and
Colin is a hard worker and charming in person and
knows everybody in Maine. And so you have to you
can't just do a Susan Collins light to beat Susan Collins.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
You need no contrast.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
And she that was the Guinea and race was after
the Kabanall vote, and this time Colins voted against the
one big beautiful bell.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
So it's right and people, but people are a little
tired of that stick. Graham had a good line about her.
He's like, the only difference between her and Ted Cruz
is Ted Cruz is honest about you know, how he's
how he's selling you out.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
But did you know did you see that?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
She?
Speaker 7 (42:37):
I think to me made a mistake. She has already
like criticized him by name over his over his position
on Gaza, which he you know, has called it a
genocide and said that, you know, the US needs to
change its policy towards towards Israel.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
And she really got her finger to the wind on
that one.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
Yeah, she went after a moment that.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
Collins Collins Collins did Collins went after Graham Platner over it.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
It's like, I don't know if this is your move,
Like you you really.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
Want to elevate this guy, Be careful what you really
want to make this race about about Gaza?
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Like I think this was in Politico, but I think
Susan Collins already has Dems them donors lining up behind her.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Yeah, yeah, they would rather Yeah, they'd rather do that.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
But some Dems are starting to get a little bit, uh,
they're starting to get a little warm for him.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
We've got a Morning Joe clip here.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know, Ryan mentioned, Ryan mentioned that, you know, the
passive voice that Graham should adopt.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
But I think Graham's greatest skill is you know.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
I don't think you should. No, no, I don't think
you should. I think I know that's party would like
him to adapt.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, but you mentioned that that that's what the party
would like.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
But his deep bravado, I think is his greatest superpower here,
and I think he can let him get away with anything.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
As we can see, it's.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Already it's already wooed our our friends over at Morning
Joe Independent Media right here to the yeah part of
the ms X b ol Now plus or whatever it may.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
WHOA.
Speaker 11 (44:22):
That's like, that's a effect of ads I have seen
in a long time, and that's a Democrat. He's being himself,
but also is very clearly saying no, no, no, the
flag's not your symbol. No no, no, working dude in
a in a black T shirt is not just you know,
(44:44):
you're you're symbol, Like there are a lot of hardworking
people out here who think you all are acting crazy
right now, And it's really it's the authenticity. And it's
something you and I talked about too. You know, all
the fucking scripts you want. You walk into a room,
you either know you people in that room either know
you're one of.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
Them or you're not.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
And the candidate you mentioned, name, Graham Plattner is and
I'll just read his bio here on his X site
combat veteran friend of the working maner foe of the allarchy.
Speaker 6 (45:14):
It hung six', five let's. Go you, know it's.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Funny it's, like out of all the, things you, know
he didn't like that he was anti, oligarchy anti.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
Billionaire he liked that he was a. Hunk he was
salivating over this. Guy he was like the, biceps the.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
VIBE i just you, know the bartender that you that you,
respect that you want to earn the respective when you
come to the.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
Bar it's it's running The fetterman strategy, again in the
sense that When fetterman was a left wing, candidate a
populous left wing, candidate that people would come after him
and try to tar him with all the same you
know things that they would try to HIT aoc with
and it just it just didn't scan because people would be, like,
(45:58):
well look at. Him he looks like, yeah This american,
dude he's like he's like a Cool. Bartain her, like,
yeah it's not gonna, stick and, yeah just uh the
Morning Morning joe is just they're just, like, yeah they
think he's.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Hot, wait wait until they realized it's another vote For
medicare for.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
All wait to they realize it's.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
That that was their problem with With vetterman at the,
time and they then they couldn't quite figure out how
to because they're so caught up in their cultural. Politics
they're just they just love so much that he's a
veteran and can can can like a wave the, flag
that they're so all in that they they have nothing
(46:41):
to then say about the substance of his.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
Politics they're.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Stuck well, THIS i, mean this brings us back to
To Dan Dan, osborne who was running aything Step fishers
someone that Morning joe would absolutely bear hug. Anytime i'm
sure they saw her in an airport. LOUNGE i should,
say they wouldn't just be meandering around the. Airport but
he was really clever on the culture. Stuff and that's
(47:06):
a huge question For. Graham maine has had a lot
of controversy over transports and that, Well Janet mills in,
particular has become a focus of The trump administration that
has made a lot of waves In maine, recently and
so that is sort of the next bridge to. Cross
BERNIE aoc obviously have gone on The Fighting oligarchy tour
(47:26):
and downplayed a lot of that and actually attacked it
to the extent that they've addressed. It attacked it by
saying it's a, distraction it's trying to divide working, people
and those LINES i think are. Effective Dan, osbourne when
we interviewed him last, Year ryan HAD i thought of,
you you could tell it wasn't, focus gript or, ANYTHING i,
think which is why it was, effective a really strong
answer when we asked him about abortion and when we
(47:49):
talked to him about some of the culture war. Questions
so on the one, hand this sort of like combative.
Centrist it just shows how our category for what centrism
is is totally. Confounded like it doesn't we don't really
like we know what they want centrism to.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Be but for the average, voter.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
It's something that feels more like anti, oligarchy common sense policy.
Is but it's not like this neat left right center
that Morning joe would want it to. Be AND i
think they're probably in for a little bit of a
rude awakening when they find out And Gavin newsom, too
by the, way when they find out what voters who
like you Punching republicans in those actually want to see you.
Speaker 7 (48:31):
Do, yeah and an, oysterman, like how lucky Could democrats?
Get they That, Graham, no that the the only part
that's unlucky for them is his. Politics you know that
he agrees more with me that he does with. Them
but from a biography, perspective you, know they got a
(48:52):
combat veteran and an oysterman who was born and raised
In maine like and is willing to call himself A.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
Democrat not many of those, seriously, Right.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And so, yeah it's, like you, know The democrats they need,
fighters they but you, know they really only want fighters
who mean as we, See, uh they're much more comfortable
With Newsome and in his memoir we've got to sat
here From Harry enton showing that the memes are, working.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Folks let's take a. LISTEN i THINK i.
Speaker 12 (49:25):
Think it absolutely has been working in terms of generating,
attention which is what he's trying to, do. RIGHT i,
mean take a look, here let's take a look right
at the at Gov Press office followers on x that's
of course where you get those sort of the account
Where newsom post Those trump style mocking types of. Tweets
get this that that. Account get this up four hundred
and fifty in terms of the number of followers since Mid.
(49:45):
June and it's not just On twitter x Where newsome is.
Gaining even on TikTok And instagram his followers are up
over a million Since january, alone my, goodness, gracious and
more than, that more than, that what About?
Speaker 6 (49:58):
Google what about Those google searches for get?
Speaker 12 (50:01):
This Daily google searches For Gavin newsom up like a.
Speaker 6 (50:03):
Rocket what are we talking?
Speaker 12 (50:04):
About Since june, one up thirteen hundred percent compared To
august first look at, that up five hundred. Percent so
the bottom line, is in, politics especially if you're thinking
of entering in twenty twenty, eight it's all about generating.
Attention and so Far Gavin newsom has done a good
job at generating.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Attention and you, know the one THING i want to
mention BE fourteena for you guys to year reaction is,
like you, know seeing how quote unquote almost like unhinged
some of The Gavin Newsom Press office memory has. Become
it makes other people that we think of in twenty
twenty eight look downright like, Timid like it MAKES aoc
(50:39):
look like humble and timid and, reserved and it's it's almost, like,
oh LIKE aoc would need to like really crank up
her rhetoric in.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
A way that it's like almost we've been told people Like.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Kurt should tone down their, rhetoric but it seems like
almost the opposite s here With.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
Newsom what do y'all make of?
Speaker 4 (50:57):
That oh, WELL i just was like it's.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
GOING i actually ran This republican strategist AND i was,
like this is you, KNOW i think The newsom posts
have gone from The Alec baldwin impression Of trump to
The Shane gillis impression Of. Trump so that's. Something His
Cracker bill post was genuinely pretty. Artful but all that
is to, say it's great right now for. Fundraising AND
(51:19):
i sent it to A republican strategist friend who is like,
no BECAUSE i was.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Kind of like.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
SKEPTICAL i was, like this is BASICALLY i sent him
this playbook article that was drooling Over Gavin newsom a
couple of days ago about how he was like the
great hope of The Democratic, party AND i was, like
this is so. Stupid and the PERSON i sent it,
to The republican, strategist is, like, actually, no this is
what you need to do if you're positioning yourself for a,
primary because it's name, recognition It's google, searches it's, donors
(51:47):
and it's particularly. Donors and so if you can build
up goodwill With democratic voters who then recognize your name
and then the donor class starts throwing money at, you
you make connections that are helpful in a primary and
you come in with a little bit of a war
chest and so, yes to that, extent IT'S i think
it is. Successful like all of that, Great but what
(52:12):
does it mean that he like he's. Doing he picked
a redistricting, fight WHICH i mean is talking about like
this is raw, power but it's not something that is
actually fundamentally attacking the system, itself as we were just,
discussing AND i Think Gavin newsom is in for a
rude awakening if a year and a half from hour,
(52:34):
whatever we're talking primary, time and he's out In, Iowa
New hampshire talking about redistricting and not the oligarchy that
has metastasized in his own state because of the rocket
fuel that he's poured on. It so, YEAH i mean
it's working in a political, sense BUT i don't know
that it's working in a sort of deeper.
Speaker 7 (52:54):
Sense, YEAH i don't think you're going to Get Gavin
newsom talking about the millionaires and the. Billionaires BUT i
Think democratic primary voters will will take whoever they think
is going to win like they're they're exist and it's
existential to. Them and so if they think that Even
(53:14):
neuwsom is a fighter Against, republicans you know that he
can take On he can make fun Of vance And
DeSantis And Marco rubio and And trump. Himself if he
figures out some way to fake run for another, term
then then that's going to be enough to get through the.
Primary so, YEAH i agree with The republican. Strategies like his,
goal he's. Not his goal right now is not to
(53:37):
win the general. Election his goal is to, win be the,
nominee and then once you're the. Nomineet you've got a
coin toss chance of being. President, yeah, okay very.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Interesting, WELL i wanted to get to this before we
get to our second pay one. Half wanted to make
sure we talked a little about. This there has been
a new reporting from The Israeli army database suggesting at
least eighty three percent of The gaza dead were. Civilians
classified intelligence From may Reveals israel believed it had killed
(54:14):
nine hundred militants In, gaza indicating a proportion of civilian
slaughter with few parallels in modern. Warfare, Now, ryan, LIKE
i know you have looked into these numbers, more AND
i guess my first question is, like, hey this is
just from The Israeli army, database which they've admitted on.
AIR i, Mean i've seen them admit it like multiple
(54:36):
times On Pierce morgan and on other sites that they're
not exactly sure like and they're not always tracking the
amount of. Death and there's also, been you, know FROM
i think the view of our, show probably an undercount
on the amount of deaths because there's still so many
people buried under rebel and stuff like.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
That so what is what does all of that add into?
This already very bleak.
Speaker 7 (55:01):
Calculation and so you've All, abraham one of the authors
of this of This guardian nine seventy two, piece you, know,
says you, know has has said publicly and says the
piece that that it is their assessment that this is
a that even this is a significant, undercount that the
number is probably over ninety percent civilians rather than eighty three.
(55:22):
Percent because, effectively what THE idf does is anybody who's
a fighting age and is a, male and they define
fighting age extraordinarily liberally like sixteen ish to basically you,
know well into your sixties if not. Higher if you
if they kill, you then they'll put you in this
(55:43):
probably at minimum they'll put you in is probably a militant,
category which which they included in this. Thing so, basically
any any man who's over like, sixteen who they, kill you,
know they're they're putting into this, calculation even given that
they're only getting to, this you, know seventeen percent. Figure,
(56:06):
now The israeli pr response to this, Was, okay these
are people we've identified as. Terrorists well it's not totally.
Accurate you've identified them as potentially being, that which sometimes
your identification just goes on the fact that they're a
male like on Us Al, shreef like he would be
factored into.
Speaker 8 (56:26):
This most of the journalists that they've.
Speaker 7 (56:28):
Killed they would be they would they would be included
in this militant, figure even though that's even though that's.
False they're, saying you, know if people pop out of
a tunnel and we shoot, them like we don't know their,
name but you, know we know that they're a, combatant
so that that should count as a. Combatant problem there
(56:49):
is that while they don't know their, Name ministry Of
health eventually gets their name when that person goes to
the morgue or the, hospital and then they get included
on the the paperwork that they put out every, day
and then THE idf sees that name and, says, oh
that's twenty year old. Male we're counting. Them whether we
know anything about them or, not we're counting. Them, so, uh,
(57:11):
basically from all of the research that we've, done what
we could tell is that they are they are counting
every single remotely fighting age male as a combatant and
then doing their calculations from there and still winding up
at genocidal levels of, slaughter.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Which is, like you, know we've been told for the
last two years it's the greatest military ratio ever done
by a modern name, army.
Speaker 8 (57:42):
Although they barely say that.
Speaker 7 (57:43):
Anymore if you've, noticed, right, yeah then they the most
moral alarming in the. World they've basically dropped that. Line
you almost never hear that. Anymore but grimam for you
AND i this is you know it to, me it's
personal because it's like nobody's standing up for a civilian
Men like you, know if if we're In gaza and
(58:04):
we go to a try to fill up buckets of
water and bring them back to the family and we're
killed along the, way we would get listed as combatants
just because just because we're. Men, yeah and anybody knows
me knows that that would be. False no fighting going on.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
Here let's you're at a.
Speaker 8 (58:23):
Bar let's at a bar.
Speaker 6 (58:28):
Yourself that's.
Speaker 8 (58:31):
Different it's a real.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
Story you can google.
Speaker 5 (58:33):
It this is one of the things that is going
to we all know, this but one of the things
that's going to be is going to probably age the most,
poorly is the number. Conversation, yeah like, that and it
is becoming clearer and clear and, actually you, know coming
from the, RIGHT I i fully understand people's. SKEPTICISM i get, it,
(58:59):
fine but at this point there's just so much.
Speaker 13 (59:03):
Evidence, yeah it's also like frustrating because it's, like you,
know the the last two years have been spent talking
about the protesters not understanding overblowing it.
Speaker 6 (59:16):
And i'm, sorry Like i'm not a fucking war. EXPERT
i don't know any of this.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Stuff but when you see like the amount of destruction
and they tell you it's only this many, people it's,
Like i'm, sorry like that's that's absolutely. Ridiculous and, so,
yes it turns out the protesters were. Right they're killing
basically everyone they can. See AND i doubt that many
people are going to have to ever own up to
(59:42):
that fact because they're JUST i, mean then the lieu of,
news everyone's just gonna kind of pretend like they weren't
denying that for two.
Speaker 7 (59:49):
Years and, Meanwhile I'll i'll put this one. Up so
this is THE bbc about us is really friendly and outlet.
Us you're going to get and the headline here famine
confirmed In gaza for first time you went back. Report
so to get an official designation of a famine takes
(01:00:11):
an extraordinary amount of. Evidence and so while people have
been colloquially using the phrase, famine you, know for at
least several, weeks maybe dating back to Like april Or.
April may you, know it Was march When israel cut
Off march second When israel cut off all food and
then kept it cut off for two months and then
(01:00:33):
let in a trickle after. That so people have been
throwing around the term famine colloquially since.
Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
Then but now.
Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
They've designated As i'll just read.
Speaker 7 (01:00:44):
This The Integrated Food Security Phase classification I, pc which
is used by governments and international bodies to identify hunger
levels around the, world has raised its classific classification To phase,
five the highest and most. Severe it says over half
a million people across the as the strip or facing
catastrophic conditions characterized by, starvation, DESTITUTION uh and death and
(01:01:06):
it and it goes on elsewhere to say that even
a matter of days that go by without immediate surging
of nutritional support and medical support will, lead you, know
to irreversible damage for you, know as they're, saying five
hundred thousand people at like immediate risk and so this is,
(01:01:30):
uh this is the step that people were hoping would
not be reached because because it's such a high bar
to clear kind of logistically and bureaucratically for the I
pc to actually come out and say that we're at phase,
five that it's reflective, of you, know.
Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
Just an utterly extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Situation, yeah and you, said you, know they're not using
the they're not really debating the numbers as much. Anymore
on The israeli spokespeople are mentioning that they are a
moral army.
Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Anymore so Certain.
Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
American media influencers have sort of, said don't, worry we'll
take up the we'll take up the. Mantle we'll handle
it all from. Here people like The Free press still
going on doing these insane, articles like this Woman Olivia,
ryangold who is complaining that her article is saying there's
no starvation In. Gaza now she's losing childhood friends because of,
(01:02:25):
it and she's the real victim.
Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
Here and we're going to go to the second half.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Now but we do have SOME i want to bring
up some Conservative american influencers have been sent To gaza
to prove that starvation is not.
Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
REAL a lot of these guys are associated with what's
it called The Learning One. Praguer you The learning. One,
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Good morning everyone. How's everybody doing? Ryan and Emily in
this very early am.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I mean it's earlier for you, man.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, well, I mean it's the earliest for the FBI,
because the FBI is they're waking up, they're getting started,
and it inspired me to hop out of bed.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Yeah, they had they had their wadies nice and early
and got to John Bolton's house by seven am.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So we'll have details on that coming up.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
That's right. You know what.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We're also going to be talking a little bit about Israel.
We're going to be looking at a Wesley Bell town
hall and a ruling on Alligator Alcatraz, as well as
more in the fun second half, answering AMA questions and
getting to the stories that would get taken down if
we put on the public YouTube. With that being said,
(01:20):
let's let's just get right into it. You know, it's
an early morning. I thought I was waking up early,
but it's actually the FBI that are rising and shining here.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
So the FBI.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Rated John Bolton's home, which we've got video of right here,
and it has happened early in the morning.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
What are we going to make of this? Ryan and Etai?
Speaker 7 (01:39):
The Post got the exclusive on this, which their New
York Post is not in Bethesda, so somebody from the
administration clearly tipped them off.
Speaker 8 (01:48):
What can we learn? What do we what can we
pull from from the Post.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Right which, by the way, I think it's worth noting
that potential tip off is a and has been for
a long time, a significant point that conservatives have used
about the roger Stone raid, and roger Stone has already
been posting, of course, but it appeared that CNN got
a leak about that raid. Now The New York Post
(02:12):
says that Bolton has not been arrested and is not
charged with any crimes as of Friday morning, according to
an official. But the raid comes after quote years of
investigation into the potentially criminal release of information, despite Trump's
first National Security Council assessing it as classified. So remember
John Bolton was Trump's NSA's National Security advisor. Now the
(02:37):
Post reports the related investigation began in twenty twenty, according
to this official, the same year, Trump's first Justice Apartment
launched a criminal inquiry into Bolton's alleged disclosure of national
securit secrets in his book The Room Where It Happened,
which many people probably remember because it had a big,
splashy debut. He was all over most corporate media channels.
(03:00):
And now John Bolton is under I believe his office
was rated yesterday as well. So the Biden administration, recording
the Post, quashed this particular investigation for what the Trump
administration appears to be telling the Post was political reasons.
But that's what we're seeing happen right now. At John
(03:21):
Bolton's house in Bethesda, it looked like his office in DC.
And then you have Cash Betel posting no one is
above the law. And Dan Bongino talking about that as
well or posting cryptically about that as well.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So kind of a wild morning in the beltwayh Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
And I'm deeply conflicted here because you know, I hate
to see the FBI weaponized, you know, for political purposes.
I genuinely don't want the United States to become the
kind of place where both parties are throwing each other's
opponents in prison, right, Like, you know, having covered a
lot of countries around the world, the countries to do
(04:03):
that don't have the don't have functional politics. On the
other hand, man on Bolton getting right, Oh boy, hard
to criticize that. So yeah, I guess we'll just let them,
let them fight for now.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah, I mean that'll be I mean for people listening
are probably immediately thinking, wasn't Donald Trump himself claiming that
there's a weaponized investigation.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Into his own.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
His own allegedly improper use of or improper.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Oh, let the storage underscore how how comical that is.
We'll see, he had bathrooms full of classified information. He
was showing He's on tape saying no after he was present,
but he was, he was on tape saying I can't
show you this I shouldn't even have this.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
This is classified. But here let me show Okay, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Now John Bolton of course obviously doesn't have any of
the declassification or wouldn't have the declassification powers of a
president now Trump. This is what's sort of ridiculous about
the classified document investigation, so they're into Biden or into
Donald Trump, is that they could have They can claim
essentially that they waived a magic wand and now we
didn't really see that play out in court and declassify it,
(05:26):
but you know, obviously it was. These classified document investigations
of presidents are insane and weaponized. Already, we've already sort
of crossed that rubicon.
Speaker 9 (05:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
And I would argue that Roger Stone raid was across
rubicon as well, or was part of crossing that rubicon
as well. Was not above the Biden administration, uh, to
do political theater like this. So here we have John Bolton,
America's sweetheart, finding himself the target of it.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And you know, at least with the Trump document, and
he kept them in the bathroom so you could flush
them in an emergency, right, So that's actually the safest
place to keep them. John Bolton's probably keeping them in
like a safe, which is not safe at all.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
That's protected. You can't destroy them easily.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
A lot of people get that wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yep, yeah, but I mean John Bolton it's probably the
last year or two Ben sky high because he's dreamed
since he was a little boy to go to war
with Iran. So it's been a lot of ups and
downs for him. What have we got to throwback here?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Let's do it. I can't hear it, Emily me.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Neither of that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Okay, if you can't hear it.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
It's John Bolton talking openly about how he.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Has done a few coups.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
He corrects Jake Tapper who says it's not easy to
do a coup, and John Bolton says, well, listen, you
coups can be done.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Not impossible. Nothing's impossible if you set your heart and
mind and soul to it.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
He's run some failed coups too, which he talked about, Yeah,
like Clay in Venezuela. And now John he's getting his
policy you know, played out by Marco Rubio.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And this is the exact quote.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Tapper says, one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt
a coup, and Bolton response.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I disagree with that. As somebody who's helped.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Plan coup to tad not here but other places. It
takes a lot of work. So this gets to Ryan
feeling personally conflicted about John Bolton, who comes out of
you know, the Cold War new conservative strain of the right,
and this this question of extra judicial conduct. When you're
(07:31):
on television talking about how you've planned one or.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Two coups, uh, you know, maybe it is time for
a little come up.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
And whether it's John Bolton or someone else, I'm all
ears to hear what he what laws he is alleged
to have violated.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
And it is nice that he's so familiar with carrying
out kup data that he would even use the like
French plural pronunciation of the French plural accurately.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I got to be pretty deep in the weeds to
know that if you've done multiple coups, the plural would
be coup de ta right.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, It's like when a filmmaker used to say, yeah,
coups desta nice.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah, speaking of Trady general in your world perfect.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So speaking of law and order, you know, we also
have some breaking news here about everyone's favorite facility, Alligator Alcatraz,
A federal judges giving Florida sixty days to clear out
the immigration detention facility called Alligator Alcatraz. The ruling forbid
state officials from moving any other migrants there. Uh, now,
what are the reasons why this incredible, functional, necessary facility
(08:43):
has been shut down?
Speaker 7 (08:45):
So the local tribe that lives there brought this case
saying that the and the Abundance crew. I wonder I
wonder if they will rush to the defense of Alligator
Alcatraz because they brought environmental concerns. So, as you guys know,
I was down there the week before it was opened
(09:05):
and was there as the as the trucks.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Were going in on a minute by minute.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Basis, and I am I am not an ie environmental expert,
but I could just tell you just from watching it
that bringing in generators, all of the you know, sewage facilities,
all this construction material into a very small wetland area
(09:34):
is going to be destructive to that wet wetland area.
And so the specific ruling from this judge is that
they have to remove all the gasoline, they have to
remove the generators, and they have to move all the
all the sewage related stuff because clearly it is leaking
sewage and gasoline constantly into the wetlands, which would destroy
(09:58):
it for you know, a generation or two, and so
that is that would of course, well, the washing Post
report says that would effectively shut the camp down. I
suppose if they wanted to get you know, extraordinarily medieval,
they could say, Okay, we're going to leave the people
here and we just won't have any generators or sewage facility,
(10:23):
and just this is the judge's fault. So she's also
saying you can't bring anybody new now. Ronda Santis responded
by saying his comment was the deportations will continue until
morale improves, so defiant in the face of this judicial order.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
So so we'll see.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
I could say on the merits, it's quite obvious you
can't build a giant generator powered sewage facility with thousands
of people in the middle of the destroying the wetlands
because of the right. Yeah, the tribal not in my
not in my backyard.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
I'm part I'm part of the yes in my swamp.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So yeah, So what this came down to, So Friends
of the Everglades one of the groups that sued, but
the question at hand was like the federal component of
Alligator Alcatraz. So the judge said that federal immigration enforcement
was quote the key driver of Alligator Alcatraz being built,
(11:27):
and so because of that, it has to be subject
to federal environmental laws and can't be subject to state
environmental laws. So that was the sort of technical workaround,
will not work.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Around, But that was sort of the technical yes, right.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
So we'll see.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
I mean, the law is clear on this, you can't
do this. We'll see if the law matters at all.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
It's also kind of sad that like we're not it's
not being like outlawed because it's like mean or cruel.
It's out being outlaw because of like the swamp land
creatures have more humanity than the people were thrown around there.
And also just on the outside of the environmental it
sounds like very resource intensive to have like a gulag
in the middle of the nowhere, Like I know, it's
(12:13):
like it's part of the part of the fantasy.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
It's like we're gonna throw them out into the middle
of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It reminds me of how in La there's always been
these dreams by Rick Caruso to build like a homeless
encampment like in the desert, just because it sounds cool
to like throw everybody in the desert. But then it
sounds like it's costing a lot more money. But I know,
you know, we're seeing more and more of these alligator
alcatrazes pop up in other states that are not in
swamp areas, and they all have like cute little names
(12:40):
like you guys don't need the other names of.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Nebraska the corn Clink or something. Yeah, yeah, we uh
at drop site. We obtained from a FEMA source. The
cost of this one, I believe it was six hundred
and sixty million dollars for the first year, So you
can do the math on the relatively small number of
people will be housed there, and it's just an incredible
(13:04):
amount of money per person to house them in these
utterly deplorable conditions which also put them at risk, like
these hurricanes that form in the Gulf I mean also
the ones that form the Caribbean, but the ones that
form in the Gulf of whatever you want to call it.
You know, they can hit the keys in a matter
of days, and evacuating that many people would be effectively
(13:29):
impossible in such a scenario, and so yeah, it's a
disaster waiting to happen and ongoing.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Well, big question of what happens to everybody who's there now.
So the disands administration, I think, to its discredit, has
not allowed journalists access since they had cameras the first
time when Trump toured with Christinome. But since then we
haven't seen inside Alligator Alcatraz. We've heard reports through lawyer
(14:00):
and such, but what happens to all of the people
in there right now is a big open question. And
I just my dissent from both of you, or my
quick dissenting take from both of you, would be that
we have a truly massive number of people who are
going to need to be processed. I mean, if the
(14:21):
Trump administration, well if the Biden administration net according to
David David Lenhart the New York Times, about eight million
immigrants over the course of his four years as president,
not all of them illegal by any means, some of
them on asylum cases, but there are many, many people
(14:41):
who then you know, unless you do a past the citizenship,
which is politically almost impossible for the right to.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Do, then have to be processed.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
And so there is a I mean a serious question
of how to do that humanely in a way that's
not dropping people in the swamp.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
So that's I mean, I don't think there's a lot
of concern on the right now for how to do
that humanely. I don't think there's a lot of.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah, right, but if you're if they're you know, if
they're talking about addressing it seriously. This is also not
a serious answer in the sense that if there are
eight million people and you can put a thousand of
them at Alligator Alcatraz, you would need I just did
the calculator right here, you would need eight thousand of
(15:32):
these concentration camps around the country running it all running
at all times, if each one of them is six
hundred million dollars. Let's see, people can check my math here,
but that looks like what four trillion?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So wow, And yeah, you're also gonna run out of uh,
you're gonna run out of cute nicknames by like number ten,
and then you're just gonna have to start using numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think they've already run out of cute nicknames.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
But that was that was kind of the point that
I was making, is that like you can expand to
alligator Alcatraz, and it doesn't actually you can expand it
to all of the different states. That's not actually even
putting a dent in. Really what you need to do.
What they wanted it to do was make a point,
which is why they wanted to use the Alcatraz name
for the purposes of self deportation. And I do want
(16:19):
to point out this other New York Times story, there
was this really interesting release of Pew data that found
between January and June. So just January and June of
this year, the immigrant population in the United States, I
think I can share it declined by almost one and
a half million, which will likely, of course, bolster the
(16:43):
Trump administration's claims that self deportations are being fueled by
some of these tactics.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
But yeah, what was that again? What was that number?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
One and a half million from January to June. So
in just have left just a decline in the immigrant population.
And it's Pew, so they're they're serving the population they
can't tell completely.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
But yes, yeah, but yeah, that tracks to me, like, yeah,
immigrant communities, but particular, like the social media in immigrant
communities is NonStop fear. It's NonStop images of raids and
windows being smashed and people being beaten on the ground,
and so it would track to me that not only
(17:25):
do you have very few people coming in, that people
are just going to be leaving self deporting as wrong
they put in right.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, and it just seems like everything's designed for social media,
you know, whether it's like the DC people only you know,
taking National Guard photo shoes in front of like the
Lincoln Memorial or you know, these sort of highlighted, kind
of brutal social media videos. But then when to Emily's point,
(17:54):
when it comes down to like the raw numbers of
like what you'd have to do, that seems to be
still a big question of how they do any of
that in reality, or if they're just going to rely
on these sort of propaganda videos to kind of feed
the hogs.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Well, it's the videos, and they are also doing CBP Home,
which offers like a thousand dollars travel stype and for
people to if we borrow met Romney's verbiage self deport
and they feel like they've had a good they feel
like that's been working for them, and I guess the
Pew study would confirm that. But it's a combination of
the carrot and the stick, which is the financial incentive
(18:32):
will make it easy, as they say, to help you
book a flight and leave, which also I think if
you want to come back, you don't get penalized.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
So if you try to.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Go through legal pathways in the future, if you use
CBP home, you don't get penalized as part of that,
and then also ratcheting up the imagery and talking about
things like alligator Alcatraz as part of it.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Meanwhile, real quickly, I was talking to a contractor here
in DC yesterday who said two of his carpenters didn't
show up for work yesterday. And you know, most contractors
work with subcontractors, and the sub contractors are the ones
they're tasked with you verifying immigration status. And that's where
it's in the subcontractor level at a lot of this
(19:24):
where where a lot of people without documents end up,
you know, getting work. And his point was, Yill you
want me to hire a whit or black carpenter who
has legal paperwork here, I'm happy to show me one.
Like what's what's the plan here? This is a generational problem,
Like what's what's your what's your step two in this plan? Here,
(19:47):
so you've successfully you've successfully scared these people out from
coming to work or leaving or into leaving the country.
Was there a single penny and build back better for
h eight schools? Not build back better big beautiful bill,
big beautiful bill. You know, there might have been something.
It certainly was not a priority. Certainly was not something
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that they said, you know, we're going to train a
generation of Americans to do the kinds of jobs that
we're telling them that they we want them to do.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
It looks like they expanded five twenty nines to include
trade school.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
So okay, so that's the most Kamala Harris thing ever.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
So you can go to So five twenty nine is
that's where you can get a tax break for putting
money away for your kid to go to school. So
now they expand that to trades will Now if you
open it in a disadvantaged neighborhood that has been you know,
majority white, so let's do DEI for you know, white people,
(20:52):
and it has and it insists on doing subsidized business
with Israel for three years. Then you can get this
tax break towards trade school. That would be I guess
the Republican version of the of the Kamala Harris approach
to education reform. So yeah, so tinkering at the edges
of five twenty ninees is not a remotely serious like
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way to develop a generation of carpenters and electricians and
all the kinds of people that we are brutalizing and
trying to drive out of the country. So I guess
good luck to us.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'm excited to see all the new buildings that pop
up over the next couple of years going to be
by made by failsun college educated people who can't get
a job at quiz NOO's. They're going to be putting
up my house. I mean, I even know people here
in LA that work in construction. My brother works on houses,
and what a lot of places do not on my
(21:54):
brother's sites, but I had a lot of sites. I
hear is the guys have to now like either park
their cars down the street or park their cars in
the backs of the houses, and they have to like
tape up the windows to kind of obscure your inside
working on these homes.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yeah, that's part of some workers that they used to
meet on a corner because they were all going to
the same place and now they stay in their homes
and they you know, dash out when geech get picked
up like home by home.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
This is a chart that shows the foreign born share
of the workforce declining and the native born share of
the workforce increasing. Now this is again like I want
to be clear that all of this stuff is like
loaded with to the point that you were making Ryan
(22:46):
consequences that are not even there's basically nothing that you
can It's a generational it's not like a wave of
magic wand and you increase the share of the domestic
workforce and everyone's suddenly taking apprenticeship and everything's.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Fine, And that's not it's only it's only general and
there was actually there were there's tons of money for
apprenticeships in build back better, which I bet they rip
that out. But it's only generational if you actually invest
in it. If you don't, then the next generation we're
not going to have, like we're not going to have
the carboners electricians then either. Like people think that this
stuff is just going to happen, but yeah, we could
(23:23):
also just go into rapid and long long term decline
as a country. Like that is also a thing we're choosing. Yeah,
but it does to have options on the table.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I was anecdotally I have heard I'm not a gig
work apologist in any way whatsoever. I have though heard
that was a problem for people native born people who
were looking for for gig work had actually a problem
doing that in recent years, And just anecdotally, that seems
to have changed here in d C in the two
week experiment we've had with this federal takeover.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
So I don't that's just gig work. That's not you know,
skill like.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Getting more like they're getting more Uber.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Eats deliveries and yeah, because that's that might be. Yeah,
but yes, but that's the kind of thing that doesn't
need years of investment to learn.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
For most people, it's not their ideal work situation.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
It's not great.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yeah. On that note, let's move on to some other
Democrat news here.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
There was a tussle, a dust stop, if you will,
at the Saint Louis Police and Security.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
We're calling for Rep. Wesley Bell at a town hall.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Here's a video from one constituent and filmed some of
the assaults and by the end is getting thrown to
the ground themselves.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Yeah, and I could add a little bit of background
here too that so this was a the town hall
held by Wesley Bell, who defeated Corey Bush in that
contentious primary, as Bush and other constituent tour at this said,
so it was it was tense. You know, Bell did
everything he could to stack the audience, uh, you know,
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requiring tickets and you know it was not it's just
not a free for all. But still like most of
the people there were pretty hostile to him m hm.
And so Aftertle for what reason, Ryan Israel Israel like yelling,
yelling at him about Israel.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
And he kept and he was defending, like, you know,
calling them, you know, what are you supporters of October
seventh or whatever.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
So after after the event, after the event.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
For people who are not to erupt Ryan, but for
people who are just hearing the audio here I mean this,
there are large men grabbing women by their hair and
throwing them to the.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Ground and throat and so at the end of the event,
Bell tells them, I got to go talk to the
media in the back. I'm gonna do some interviews and
then I'll come out and speak with people. So Bell
leaves and then immediately all the security starts attacking these
constituents saying the town hall's over, you got to leave
and that and that's how this event unfolded. That you
(26:07):
just that you just witness and so now I saw
an Alderman shared that Corey Bush also shared that saying
what was he? Bell has questions to answer here? Did
like did he tell them to stay and then order
the his his security to get them out? Did he
lie to them basically and set them up for this
for this physical confrontation. So Belle is vulnerable and Corey
(26:30):
Bush is has clearly been publicly flirting with a with
a rematch against him. A lot of a lot of
news about Bell and and about his tenure as a
prosecutor and in Saint Louis broke after he won the election,
including sexual harassment, allegations, allegations of inappropriate like romantic relationships
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with staff, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
So and also, so you know, we're now two years.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Into this genocide, two years deeper, and so the climate
is different perhaps for Bush.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
So I think I think I think Bell is vulnerable here.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, And I mean, like just to give people a
little context for people who don't remember everything about Wesley Bell,
he APAC went all in on his race to unseen
Corey Bush. The APAC tracker here claims that he's gotten
over twelve million dollars from the Israel lobby. I was
reading something that like almost two thirds of all of
(27:35):
Wesley Bell's donations were like directly from a pack or
like a pack affiliated people. So this was just one
of the most egregious, like thumb on the scale races
we've seen since the Jamal Bowman won.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Is that right, Ryan, Yes, that that is the second
most they've ever spent to knock something to knock somebody out.
And her race was close, much closer four thousand I think,
and Bowman Bowman got trounced, whereas Bush only lost by yeah,
a few thousand votes. So this this could this could
(28:12):
be an interesting race.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I mean, it is just this.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Is one of the most illustrative APAC examples. It's like
you're talking about a district in the Saint Louis area
that needs to have what how much twelve million, twelve
million million, twelve million dollars coming to prevent one vote
(28:36):
and one voice on one issue that has that is
not a domestic issue.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Right, It's like, does money mean anything to you guys
like that. You can just drop twelve million.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
They're already Paul Singers already enough.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Pall Singer's already a million deep into the Thomas Massey primary,
like a primary.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yeah, Kentucky is mass gonna win that?
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Yes, because they're thrown everything at him, right, I mean,
They've got Trump's team is out there.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I think I think you'll be fine, But I don't know.
Maybe it's worth a trip. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do
that check it out.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And it's also especially egregious to see that amount of
money thrown in and kind of you know, Democrats just
kind of looking the other way on it. Oh, he's
just another congressman like everyone else. And it's like, okay, sure.
I mean, in another little bit of Democrat news here,
I did want to bring up and get y'all's reactions
(29:35):
to something happening over in Minnesota where the Minnesota THEFL
have revoked their already's endorsement of State Senator Omar Fata.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Is it Fata? Yeah, in the Minneapolis mayor's race. Now,
this guy is is he DSA?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
He's he's like Ann, He's out and out out of
the closet socialist.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Yeah, he's I don't know if he's I think he's TSA,
but he's definitely, yeah, he's he would not be offended
at being called a socialist mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And so they I guess endorsed and then to pull
to pull that back, which kind of is it's just
a fascinating one as well, because it's it's like it's
such a it's such a you know, it's the mayor
of Minneapolis, and it's just like, Okay, the the Democrats,
they they don't care. This is still like an old
(30:28):
litmus test that they're applying because did he make any
statements on Israel or is it just his socialist bona fides.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
Well, so they're saying, I don't know how close you've
looked into it, Emily, I haven't had a chance to
dive into the weeds. They're they're saying that they discovered
in irregularity in the way that the Excel spreadsheet was
handled during the during the caucus, that this one candidate
was deleted from one of the rounds of voting, and
(30:59):
that that made the whole thing unfair. I think there
might be more in the in the weeds there's some
people who were just straight up accusing him of like
fraudulently messing with the spreadsheets somehow. Others are saying, no,
that this was an error. This is the part, this
is the party's error. Either way, they they took all
of the controversy around it and said, all right, well,
(31:22):
we're just tossing the whole thing out now. The Minnesota
Democratic establishment has wanted to nuke these these caucuses ever
since it became clear that the left was had become
able to outorganize the establishment.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
At these caucuses.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
They're very, very confusing causes you have to go to
like multiple different events. You go to one and then
you get your delegates, and then the delegate and then
you organize those delegates. Then you go to another. Cause
it's like it's more than just like an Iowa caucus.
It's like this months long organizing for and the more
(32:02):
passionate you are, then the more you're the better you're
going to do in this. And it turns out the
left wing of the Minnesota Party is more passionate than
the establishment is, and so they've been out organizing them.
So they've really wanted to get rid of these, you know,
for for a pretty long time. And yeah, they like
the party kind of establishment leadership just does not want
(32:23):
to be the nominee. That's just it's it's not a
coincidence that they're lot of your regularities lined up with
their position here.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
But well, for what reason in particular?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (32:34):
What is the great threat of this Minneapolis mayor candidate.
I mean, for one, it's probably you know, great race
like this. He would be the first Somali American to
be mayor of the city, and I'm sure there's some
like resistance to that there. And but then also the
you know, the socialist politics.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
They want.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
They want more of a Jacob Frey like seems kind
kind of radical, but it is totally amenable to the
business community.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Ran, can you maybe give more contexts on some of
the stuff that's happened with DFL recently, because I actually
think there have been there was there are serious allegations
of chick cannery and fraud stuff with DFL in recent years,
haven't there been Like there's it's been a source of.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Some drama, has been a source of more drama than
most state parties. The head of it is now the
chair of the d n C, Ken Martin. Mm hmmm,
So that that's that's interesting as well.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
There was the the feeding our Future thing. The that
was like the Biden.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
FBI was looking into that and I think people from
DFL were wrapped up in it, but that might and
then the FBI was investigating their endorsement process. Yeah, anyway,
like you said, that's kind of not that unusual for
say parties.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
But Emily, let's keep following this lead.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think the FBI should maybe raise in the DFL,
find out what's going on.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
You know, one's above the law.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, so as I say, John Bolton can take over
the DFL.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Okay, So in that case, you know, I wanted to
get While we're on Democrats and infighting and the socialist candidates,
we had to talk about Graham Platner just for a
quick second here. Graham Platner kind of came out of
nowhere with this campaign video that people have been sharing
(34:40):
around it kind of went viral. He's running against Susan
Collins here in Maine. Let's take a listen to that,
and then let's get y'all's reactions.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I have never met people who are more scrabble, even
in a place that requires you to work like two
or three different jobs. We have watched this state because
I'm essentially unlivable for working class people, and it makes
me deeply angry. My name is Graham Platner, and I'm
running for US Senate and Maine to defeat Susan Collins.
(35:10):
A decade of military service, going overseas, farming oysters to
feed my community, diving to London ham to other fishermen,
trying to start a family. But everywhere I've gone, it
seems like the fabric of what holds us together is
being ripped apart by billionaires and corrupt politicians profiting off
of destroying our environment, driving our families into poverty, and
(35:31):
crushing the middle class.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
So that's a taste of that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Graham Platner running against Republican Susan Collins in Maine.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
What are we to make of this?
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Well, it turns out this has never happened for me before.
It turns out I knew Graham. So Graham grew up
in Maine, then joined the military did I think four
tours over ten years or something, and then went to
g w which maybe Emily knew him. I mean, I've
(36:05):
see probably a little before your time. So he went
to college at George Washington University, never didn't actually finish,
which to me is another feather in the cap of the.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
That is really the best way to go to George Washington.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yes, but while he was there to help pay for it,
he tended bar to tune In, which which was my
home away from home for many years back in the
two thousands. And so when I saw this, I was like,
wait a minute, I know Graham. So I texted the
other bartender, Ned and I was like, is this the
(36:42):
same Graham. He's like, yeah, Graham's running for senator.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
This is awesome. Yes, he is.
Speaker 8 (36:50):
So wild.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
So he'd be the second bartender maybe to come to Congress.
The is this guy Jordan Wood, who we can talk
about more. I'll have a story on him next week.
More of a conventional ish candidate. Janet Mills is the
governor Democratic governor of Maine, and everybody is kind of
(37:13):
waiting for her to decide whether or not she's going
to run. She would be seventy nine when she took office,
which would make crazy Spring Chicken for the Senate, but
still the oldest freshman senator ever in Senate history. So
if you're setting age records in the Senate, you're old.
(37:36):
And also the Senate is a place of seniority, and
so like you know, it takes you know, they basically
don't talk to you in the Senate until you've won
your second until you've won reelection. So she would be
eighty five when her colleagues started to engage with her,
(37:58):
like what do you come on? Democrats like run the
p and you know, she's she's fine, Like I think
she's like minus four or something approval rating. So it's
not like people like despise her, but it's not like
they love her either. Running her would just be the
like this is what we do. We take the governor,
(38:19):
we put her up, and we see what happens. And
now this grand blatner is offering them a different path,
and I think it would make it very easy for
them to say yes too. If he's if he said,
if he's talked in a more passive voice, like our
you know, environments being destroyed, the fabric of our community
(38:43):
is being ripped apart. When he see, yeah, democracy is
at risk. It's when he adds buy billionaires, yep, that
the party is like, oh, this is do we really
have to do we really have to be so rude
about about how it's happening.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Let's just let's just talk about the fact that it
is happening and it's bad. Do we really have to
name them?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
But do?
Speaker 8 (39:06):
You'll go ahead?
Speaker 5 (39:08):
I was gonna say, I think that actually is like
the fine line between Gavin Newsom adopting this new strategy
of like looking like you're punching Republicans in the nose
and then actually executing on that, which is you have
to be able to talk about the system itself being
fundamentally broken, but not in those sort of vague terms
(39:28):
about the system is not working.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You need to say why the system is not working.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
You need to have a platform, so like you can,
you can raise money, and you can boost your name
recognition by trolling Trump on social media. But that doesn't
mean you are going to like suddenly, this is what
Matt Bennett I know, we're going to talk about third way.
He called it quote combative centrism. He says Democrats need
a combative centrist. Well, if centrism looks like Dan Osborne, Yes,
(39:55):
if centrism if combative centrism or Grand Platner. But if
combative centrism looks like Gavin Newsom talking a little bit
more like a populist while also still taking all the
PG and E money and doing whatever he wants with it.
That is the I really feel like, Actually, Ryan, that's
such an important point because that's like the fine line
between looking like a populist and actually being a populist.
(40:17):
And I don't think Dems are prepared for how far
short just looking like a populist goes.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I mean, ask jd Vance.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
Yeah, and Griffin, do we have the the morning Joe.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
I'm gonna pull it up in a second because while
you're looking for that, I'll just add the point that
the path for him too could be the Bernie route
and the Osborne route, which is so Bernie always runs
in the Democratic primary so that nobody can win the nomination,
and then he rejects the nomination and runs as an independent.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
So you could I could imagine Graham doing that that
like if he wins, because Angus King is an independent
senator from Maine, like Maine is a different kind of
state and has a real independent streak to it. They were,
and there were the hipsters when it came to this.
Now it's cool now, but they were. They've been doing
it forever. So you can imagine a world in which
he's like, look, I'm not even necessarily a Democrat here,
(41:12):
I'm running in the Democratic primary, but doesn't mean I
love this party. And if he wins the nomination, he
can decline it and then run as an independent, which
that I think is that is their way of beating
Susan Collins, like they've tried the Sarah Gideon, the last candidate,
(41:33):
had seventy five million dollars and finished with more than
twelve million in the bank. She had another fifty million
in super Pac money. Susan Collins had just as much
and she got beaten by like six points or something.
She was the Speaker of the House like that. They
keep running these like it's my turn Democrats against Susan Collins,
(41:55):
and people are like, Collins is kind of a phony
and a fraud, but always this person and i've and
Colin is a hard worker and charming in person and
knows everybody in Maine. And so you have to you
can't just do a Susan Collins light to beat Susan Collins.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
You need no contrast.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
And she that was the Guinea and race was after
the Kabanall vote, and this time Colins voted against the
one big beautiful bell.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
So it's right and people, but people are a little
tired of that stick. Graham had a good line about her.
He's like, the only difference between her and Ted Cruz
is Ted Cruz is honest about you know, how he's
how he's selling you out.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
But did you know did you see that?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
She?
Speaker 7 (42:37):
I think to me made a mistake. She has already
like criticized him by name over his over his position
on Gaza, which he you know, has called it a
genocide and said that, you know, the US needs to
change its policy towards towards Israel.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
And she really got her finger to the wind on
that one.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
Yeah, she went after a moment that.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
Collins Collins Collins did Collins went after Graham Platner over it.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
It's like, I don't know if this is your move,
Like you you really.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
Want to elevate this guy, Be careful what you really
want to make this race about about Gaza?
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Like I think this was in Politico, but I think
Susan Collins already has Dems them donors lining up behind her.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Yeah, yeah, they would rather Yeah, they'd rather do that.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
But some Dems are starting to get a little bit, uh,
they're starting to get a little warm for him.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
We've got a Morning Joe clip here.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know, Ryan mentioned, Ryan mentioned that, you know, the
passive voice that Graham should adopt.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
But I think Graham's greatest skill is you know.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
I don't think you should. No, no, I don't think
you should. I think I know that's party would like
him to adapt.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, but you mentioned that that that's what the party
would like.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
But his deep bravado, I think is his greatest superpower here,
and I think he can let him get away with anything.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
As we can see, it's.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Already it's already wooed our our friends over at Morning
Joe Independent Media right here to the yeah part of
the ms X b ol Now plus or whatever it may.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
WHOA.
Speaker 11 (44:22):
That's like, that's a effect of ads I have seen
in a long time, and that's a Democrat. He's being himself,
but also is very clearly saying no, no, no, the
flag's not your symbol. No no, no, working dude in
a in a black T shirt is not just you know,
(44:44):
you're you're symbol, Like there are a lot of hardworking
people out here who think you all are acting crazy
right now, And it's really it's the authenticity. And it's
something you and I talked about too. You know, all
the fucking scripts you want. You walk into a room,
you either know you people in that room either know
you're one of.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
Them or you're not.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
And the candidate you mentioned, name, Graham Plattner is and
I'll just read his bio here on his X site
combat veteran friend of the working maner foe of the allarchy.
Speaker 6 (45:14):
It hung six', five let's. Go you, know it's.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Funny it's, like out of all the, things you, know
he didn't like that he was anti, oligarchy anti.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
Billionaire he liked that he was a. Hunk he was
salivating over this. Guy he was like the, biceps the.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
VIBE i just you, know the bartender that you that you,
respect that you want to earn the respective when you
come to the.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
Bar it's it's running The fetterman strategy, again in the
sense that When fetterman was a left wing, candidate a
populous left wing, candidate that people would come after him
and try to tar him with all the same you
know things that they would try to HIT aoc with
and it just it just didn't scan because people would be, like,
(45:58):
well look at. Him he looks like, yeah This american,
dude he's like he's like a Cool. Bartain her, like,
yeah it's not gonna, stick and, yeah just uh the
Morning Morning joe is just they're just, like, yeah they
think he's.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Hot, wait wait until they realized it's another vote For
medicare for.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
All wait to they realize it's.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
That that was their problem with With vetterman at the,
time and they then they couldn't quite figure out how
to because they're so caught up in their cultural. Politics
they're just they just love so much that he's a
veteran and can can can like a wave the, flag
that they're so all in that they they have nothing
(46:41):
to then say about the substance of his.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
Politics they're.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Stuck well, THIS i, mean this brings us back to
To Dan Dan, osborne who was running aything Step fishers
someone that Morning joe would absolutely bear hug. Anytime i'm
sure they saw her in an airport. LOUNGE i should,
say they wouldn't just be meandering around the. Airport but
he was really clever on the culture. Stuff and that's
(47:06):
a huge question For. Graham maine has had a lot
of controversy over transports and that, Well Janet mills in,
particular has become a focus of The trump administration that
has made a lot of waves In maine, recently and
so that is sort of the next bridge to. Cross
BERNIE aoc obviously have gone on The Fighting oligarchy tour
(47:26):
and downplayed a lot of that and actually attacked it
to the extent that they've addressed. It attacked it by
saying it's a, distraction it's trying to divide working, people
and those LINES i think are. Effective Dan, osbourne when
we interviewed him last, Year ryan HAD i thought of,
you you could tell it wasn't, focus gript or, ANYTHING i,
think which is why it was, effective a really strong
answer when we asked him about abortion and when we
(47:49):
talked to him about some of the culture war. Questions
so on the one, hand this sort of like combative.
Centrist it just shows how our category for what centrism
is is totally. Confounded like it doesn't we don't really
like we know what they want centrism to.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Be but for the average, voter.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
It's something that feels more like anti, oligarchy common sense policy.
Is but it's not like this neat left right center
that Morning joe would want it to. Be AND i
think they're probably in for a little bit of a
rude awakening when they find out And Gavin newsom, too
by the, way when they find out what voters who
like you Punching republicans in those actually want to see you.
Speaker 7 (48:31):
Do, yeah and an, oysterman, like how lucky Could democrats?
Get they That, Graham, no that the the only part
that's unlucky for them is his. Politics you know that
he agrees more with me that he does with. Them
but from a biography, perspective you, know they got a
(48:52):
combat veteran and an oysterman who was born and raised
In maine like and is willing to call himself A.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
Democrat not many of those, seriously, Right.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And so, yeah it's, like you, know The democrats they need,
fighters they but you, know they really only want fighters
who mean as we, See, uh they're much more comfortable
With Newsome and in his memoir we've got to sat
here From Harry enton showing that the memes are, working.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Folks let's take a. LISTEN i THINK i.
Speaker 12 (49:25):
Think it absolutely has been working in terms of generating,
attention which is what he's trying to, do. RIGHT i,
mean take a look, here let's take a look right
at the at Gov Press office followers on x that's
of course where you get those sort of the account
Where newsom post Those trump style mocking types of. Tweets
get this that that. Account get this up four hundred
and fifty in terms of the number of followers since Mid.
(49:45):
June and it's not just On twitter x Where newsome is.
Gaining even on TikTok And instagram his followers are up
over a million Since january, alone my, goodness, gracious and
more than, that more than, that what About?
Speaker 6 (49:58):
Google what about Those google searches for get?
Speaker 12 (50:01):
This Daily google searches For Gavin newsom up like a.
Speaker 6 (50:03):
Rocket what are we talking?
Speaker 12 (50:04):
About Since june, one up thirteen hundred percent compared To
august first look at, that up five hundred. Percent so
the bottom line, is in, politics especially if you're thinking
of entering in twenty twenty, eight it's all about generating.
Attention and so Far Gavin newsom has done a good
job at generating.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Attention and you, know the one THING i want to
mention BE fourteena for you guys to year reaction is,
like you, know seeing how quote unquote almost like unhinged
some of The Gavin Newsom Press office memory has. Become
it makes other people that we think of in twenty
twenty eight look downright like, Timid like it MAKES aoc
(50:39):
look like humble and timid and, reserved and it's it's almost, like,
oh LIKE aoc would need to like really crank up
her rhetoric in.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
A way that it's like almost we've been told people Like.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Kurt should tone down their, rhetoric but it seems like
almost the opposite s here With.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
Newsom what do y'all make of?
Speaker 4 (50:57):
That oh, WELL i just was like it's.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
GOING i actually ran This republican strategist AND i was,
like this is you, KNOW i think The newsom posts
have gone from The Alec baldwin impression Of trump to
The Shane gillis impression Of. Trump so that's. Something His
Cracker bill post was genuinely pretty. Artful but all that
is to, say it's great right now for. Fundraising AND
(51:19):
i sent it to A republican strategist friend who is like,
no BECAUSE i was.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Kind of like.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
SKEPTICAL i was, like this is BASICALLY i sent him
this playbook article that was drooling Over Gavin newsom a
couple of days ago about how he was like the
great hope of The Democratic, party AND i was, like
this is so. Stupid and the PERSON i sent it,
to The republican, strategist is, like, actually, no this is
what you need to do if you're positioning yourself for a,
primary because it's name, recognition It's google, searches it's, donors
(51:47):
and it's particularly. Donors and so if you can build
up goodwill With democratic voters who then recognize your name
and then the donor class starts throwing money at, you
you make connections that are helpful in a primary and
you come in with a little bit of a war
chest and so, yes to that, extent IT'S i think
it is. Successful like all of that, Great but what
(52:12):
does it mean that he like he's. Doing he picked
a redistricting, fight WHICH i mean is talking about like
this is raw, power but it's not something that is
actually fundamentally attacking the system, itself as we were just,
discussing AND i Think Gavin newsom is in for a
rude awakening if a year and a half from hour,
(52:34):
whatever we're talking primary, time and he's out In, Iowa
New hampshire talking about redistricting and not the oligarchy that
has metastasized in his own state because of the rocket
fuel that he's poured on. It so, YEAH i mean
it's working in a political, sense BUT i don't know
that it's working in a sort of deeper.
Speaker 7 (52:54):
Sense, YEAH i don't think you're going to Get Gavin
newsom talking about the millionaires and the. Billionaires BUT i
Think democratic primary voters will will take whoever they think
is going to win like they're they're exist and it's
existential to. Them and so if they think that Even
(53:14):
neuwsom is a fighter Against, republicans you know that he
can take On he can make fun Of vance And
DeSantis And Marco rubio and And trump. Himself if he
figures out some way to fake run for another, term
then then that's going to be enough to get through the.
Primary so, YEAH i agree with The republican. Strategies like his,
goal he's. Not his goal right now is not to
(53:37):
win the general. Election his goal is to, win be the,
nominee and then once you're the. Nomineet you've got a
coin toss chance of being. President, yeah, okay very.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Interesting, WELL i wanted to get to this before we
get to our second pay one. Half wanted to make
sure we talked a little about. This there has been
a new reporting from The Israeli army database suggesting at
least eighty three percent of The gaza dead were. Civilians
classified intelligence From may Reveals israel believed it had killed
(54:14):
nine hundred militants In, gaza indicating a proportion of civilian
slaughter with few parallels in modern. Warfare, Now, ryan, LIKE
i know you have looked into these numbers, more AND
i guess my first question is, like, hey this is
just from The Israeli army, database which they've admitted on.
AIR i, Mean i've seen them admit it like multiple
(54:36):
times On Pierce morgan and on other sites that they're
not exactly sure like and they're not always tracking the
amount of. Death and there's also, been you, know FROM
i think the view of our, show probably an undercount
on the amount of deaths because there's still so many
people buried under rebel and stuff like.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
That so what is what does all of that add into?
This already very bleak.
Speaker 7 (55:01):
Calculation and so you've All, abraham one of the authors
of this of This guardian nine seventy two, piece you, know,
says you, know has has said publicly and says the
piece that that it is their assessment that this is
a that even this is a significant, undercount that the
number is probably over ninety percent civilians rather than eighty three.
(55:22):
Percent because, effectively what THE idf does is anybody who's
a fighting age and is a, male and they define
fighting age extraordinarily liberally like sixteen ish to basically you,
know well into your sixties if not. Higher if you
if they kill, you then they'll put you in this
(55:43):
probably at minimum they'll put you in is probably a militant,
category which which they included in this. Thing so, basically
any any man who's over like, sixteen who they, kill you,
know they're they're putting into this, calculation even given that
they're only getting to, this you, know seventeen percent. Figure,
(56:06):
now The israeli pr response to this, Was, okay these
are people we've identified as. Terrorists well it's not totally.
Accurate you've identified them as potentially being, that which sometimes
your identification just goes on the fact that they're a
male like on Us Al, shreef like he would be
factored into.
Speaker 8 (56:26):
This most of the journalists that they've.
Speaker 7 (56:28):
Killed they would be they would they would be included
in this militant, figure even though that's even though that's.
False they're, saying you, know if people pop out of
a tunnel and we shoot, them like we don't know their,
name but you, know we know that they're a, combatant
so that that should count as a. Combatant problem there
(56:49):
is that while they don't know their, Name ministry Of
health eventually gets their name when that person goes to
the morgue or the, hospital and then they get included
on the the paperwork that they put out every, day
and then THE idf sees that name and, says, oh
that's twenty year old. Male we're counting. Them whether we
know anything about them or, not we're counting. Them, so, uh,
(57:11):
basically from all of the research that we've, done what
we could tell is that they are they are counting
every single remotely fighting age male as a combatant and
then doing their calculations from there and still winding up
at genocidal levels of, slaughter.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Which is, like you, know we've been told for the
last two years it's the greatest military ratio ever done
by a modern name, army.
Speaker 8 (57:42):
Although they barely say that.
Speaker 7 (57:43):
Anymore if you've, noticed, right, yeah then they the most
moral alarming in the. World they've basically dropped that. Line
you almost never hear that. Anymore but grimam for you
AND i this is you know it to, me it's
personal because it's like nobody's standing up for a civilian
Men like you, know if if we're In gaza and
(58:04):
we go to a try to fill up buckets of
water and bring them back to the family and we're
killed along the, way we would get listed as combatants
just because just because we're. Men, yeah and anybody knows
me knows that that would be. False no fighting going on.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
Here let's you're at a.
Speaker 8 (58:23):
Bar let's at a bar.
Speaker 6 (58:28):
Yourself that's.
Speaker 8 (58:31):
Different it's a real.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
Story you can google.
Speaker 5 (58:33):
It this is one of the things that is going
to we all know, this but one of the things
that's going to be is going to probably age the most,
poorly is the number. Conversation, yeah like, that and it
is becoming clearer and clear and, actually you, know coming
from the, RIGHT I i fully understand people's. SKEPTICISM i get, it,
(58:59):
fine but at this point there's just so much.
Speaker 13 (59:03):
Evidence, yeah it's also like frustrating because it's, like you,
know the the last two years have been spent talking
about the protesters not understanding overblowing it.
Speaker 6 (59:16):
And i'm, sorry Like i'm not a fucking war. EXPERT
i don't know any of this.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Stuff but when you see like the amount of destruction
and they tell you it's only this many, people it's,
Like i'm, sorry like that's that's absolutely. Ridiculous and, so,
yes it turns out the protesters were. Right they're killing
basically everyone they can. See AND i doubt that many
people are going to have to ever own up to
(59:42):
that fact because they're JUST i, mean then the lieu of,
news everyone's just gonna kind of pretend like they weren't
denying that for two.
Speaker 7 (59:49):
Years and, Meanwhile I'll i'll put this one. Up so
this is THE bbc about us is really friendly and outlet.
Us you're going to get and the headline here famine
confirmed In gaza for first time you went back. Report
so to get an official designation of a famine takes
(01:00:11):
an extraordinary amount of. Evidence and so while people have
been colloquially using the phrase, famine you, know for at
least several, weeks maybe dating back to Like april Or.
April may you, know it Was march When israel cut
Off march second When israel cut off all food and
then kept it cut off for two months and then
(01:00:33):
let in a trickle after. That so people have been
throwing around the term famine colloquially since.
Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
Then but now.
Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
They've designated As i'll just read.
Speaker 7 (01:00:44):
This The Integrated Food Security Phase classification I, pc which
is used by governments and international bodies to identify hunger
levels around the, world has raised its classific classification To phase,
five the highest and most. Severe it says over half
a million people across the as the strip or facing
catastrophic conditions characterized by, starvation, DESTITUTION uh and death and
(01:01:06):
it and it goes on elsewhere to say that even
a matter of days that go by without immediate surging
of nutritional support and medical support will, lead you, know
to irreversible damage for you, know as they're, saying five
hundred thousand people at like immediate risk and so this is,
(01:01:30):
uh this is the step that people were hoping would
not be reached because because it's such a high bar
to clear kind of logistically and bureaucratically for the I
pc to actually come out and say that we're at phase,
five that it's reflective, of you, know.
Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
Just an utterly extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Situation, yeah and you, said you, know they're not using
the they're not really debating the numbers as much. Anymore
on The israeli spokespeople are mentioning that they are a
moral army.
Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Anymore so Certain.
Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
American media influencers have sort of, said don't, worry we'll
take up the we'll take up the. Mantle we'll handle
it all from. Here people like The Free press still
going on doing these insane, articles like this Woman Olivia,
ryangold who is complaining that her article is saying there's
no starvation In. Gaza now she's losing childhood friends because of,
(01:02:25):
it and she's the real victim.
Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
Here and we're going to go to the second half.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Now but we do have SOME i want to bring
up some Conservative american influencers have been sent To gaza
to prove that starvation is not.
Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
REAL a lot of these guys are associated with what's
it called The Learning One. Praguer you The learning. One,
yeah they're sending their. Best we're gonna look at that
the second, half.
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