8/4/25: Mike Johnson Bows To Israel, TikTok IDF Censor, Tim Dillon vs Bari Weiss, GHF Whistleblower Vindicated

Krystal and Saagar discuss Mike Johnson bows to Israel, TikTok IDF censor, Tim Dillon destroys Bari Weiss, GHF whistleblower vindicated.

 

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So, in the wake of visits by investor Mike Huckabee
and Steve Whitcoff to Israel, we now have a Speaker
of the House of Mike Johnson also making a visit.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Let's take a listen to a little bit of what
he had to say.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Recognized in the destruction of the two Temples and two
times in history, but in such a moving time for
us to be here, to be here at the Whaling Wall,
We've offered our prayers, we put our notes into the
wall as just traditional and we're so moved by the
hospitality of the people and the great love of Israel.
Our prayer is that America will always stand with Israel,

(01:05):
and that we pray for the preservation and the peace
of Jerusalem.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
That's what scripture tells us to do.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
It's a matter of faith for us and a commitment
that we have God bless you.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
That's what scripture tells us to do.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Mike Kakabee sharing those sorts of views that he is
biblically commanded to back whatever genocidal acts the Israeli government commits, apparently,
which is a bizarre view for anyone, let alone a
public official with a lot of power. We've also learned
Sager this morning that Mike Huckabee, as part of his visit,
went to one of the illegal settlements in the occupied

(01:41):
West Bank. So this is according to Barrock revied. He
tweets Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Mike Johnson
visited the aerial settlement in the occupied West Bank today
as part of a private visit to Israel organized by
an American right wing organization. Under which right wing organization
it was, He doesn't say why it matters. This is
a highly unusual visit for a Speaker of the House
to say the least. Johnson has become the most senior

(02:02):
US official to ever visit the settlements. Again, those settlements
are illegal under international law. Previous administrations, the sort of
standard line, both Republican and Democrat was to more or
less condemn the settlements.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Now and we're going.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
To talk to Josper Nathaniel Moore about what's going on
in the occupied West Bank. The policy de facto and
explicitly is effectively an embrace of the complete annexation of
the West Bank. And there has been an aggressive push
by the Israelis to steal additional land for Palestinians and
a certain complete control over the West Bank.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I mean literally, just days ago a US citizen who
was from Chicago died from smoke inhalation while trying to
extinguish fires set by Israeli settlers. I'm talking about like
a week ago before that, there we had that US citizen,
the twenty year old, yeah, from Tampa, who was beaten

(02:56):
to death by Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
This was July eleventh, So that's two who have done.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Now, Look, I'm against dual citizenship and all of that
but listen, during the Iran situation, what did we hear
A lot? Oh a million Americans live in Israel. You know,
we got to protect them. I'm like, really do we?
You know during the hostages situation as well, they're like, oh,
these are Americans. It's like in many cases they're dual nationals.

(03:24):
In some cases we're like serving in the Israeli military.
So this is my point, is that citizenship is ignored
on one hand and then weaponized on the other for
a United States. This is the third in line to
the presidency. The Speaker of the House of Representatives, who
is visiting the West Bank basically a positive affirmation of
these Israeli settlers, who, look, let's put the national characteristic

(03:48):
here of murdering US citizens and all that, but by
his own religion, as we hear most recently, the our
crazy evangelical ambassador Mike Huckabee, not even a month ago,
was forced to condemn Israeli sittlers for burning a Christian
village and trying to murder the people in the vicinity.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
So where's his concern about that? Look, I'm not Christian.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I'm not here to Christian police or talk about dispensationalism
or any of that. I'm just you know, it seems
a little hypocritical to me at the risk of being
one of those guys. Is like, but Jesus says the
love or whatever. It's just you profess, you know, to
be guided by your faith and your fellow Christians and
protecting all those people. This is a government which actively
is trying to eradicate Christianity in the West Bank and

(04:35):
more recently did and armed the people doing so, refuses
to bring any of those people to justice.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
And you don't care.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Now in my realm, in terms of citizenship, you clearly
don't care about our citizens or whatever been killed in
the way you issue like some singular protests, but then
basically endorse this policy.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
On the back end. And so I don't even know
what to say.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It is so crazy, especially in the year twenty twenty five. Yeah,
for us to be you know, the highest levels of government,
the people in charge of funding you know, many of
these folks to be not only you know, by their
own admissions saying Scripture commands us to support this place,
but that commands billions of our tax dollars to continue
flowing over here.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's nuts.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Look, I will say it, if your religion tells you
to support a genocide, you need to get a new religion.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Period. Sorry, that's how I see it.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I mean, it's insane to think that any religion would
command you to support any particular government of any particular
arbitrarily created nation state anywhere in the world. Complete insanity.
But that is a commonly held view among many of
the leaders of our country right now and is deeply disturbing.
As I mentioned before, US Envoy Steve Whitkoff was also

(05:44):
in the region to do him and Mi Kukabee did
their little like propaganda theatrical show at the GHF to
go and see, oh, look, see all of the aid
we're distributing and there's no violence here.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Everything's fine. We'll come back to that in a moment.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But in any case, he told the captive families, he
talked to some of the of the families of people
still being held captive in the Gaza strip that the
starvation in Gaza is quote nonsense manufactured by Hamas this
was played on an Israeli television network, we can put
this up on screen the audio because it was like
leaked recording. It's kind of muffled, even though it is

(06:19):
obviously in English. But he says, in part quote Hamas
has done a good job of getting people to believe
some of the nonsense they spew, for instance, that some
of the children are starving than there's some unintelligible part
when in fact they suffer from other medical conditions.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
They do a good job of that.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
But that has to be dispelled, that has to be repudiated,
that has to be done loudly. I find this so
disgusting to deny that there are there is mass famine
and starvation occurring in the Gaza Strip. Every day we
get more numbers of people who have starved to death.

(06:56):
And yes, children, infants in particular are going to be
most vulnerable, and yes, people who have some pre existing
health condition are going to be the most vulnerable. Does
that mean it's okay to starve them to death? I mean,
this really is like a form of Holocaust denial at
this point. To see these images, see these numbers, you
can go and look, we've put them up on the
screen before they were not allowing food into the Goaza

(07:20):
Strip for months. You can do the numbers even and
this is the point that Anthony aguilar or whistleblower makes
do the math on even the GHF's numbers that they're touting,
and you'll find out that they're starving. They put on
enough meals for every Palestinian to have like one meal
every three days. And you think that's not starvation. They

(07:41):
announce it publicly. I mean that's the other thing. Even
right now, there are still Israelis out protesting with their
families and their little kids to try to block the
aid from coming in. Netanyahu had to make a deal
with Ben Gaver and Smochor to allow any additional aid in. Like,
this is not something we made up. This is an announced,
explicit policy of the Israeli government, proclaimed loudly. And you're

(08:07):
still going to say that this is oh, this is
a lie, this is a hoax, this is unreal.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I mean, just how stupid do they think that we are?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well see, I don't think it's about stupidity.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I just think it's about arming the American vanguard with
just enough talking points to get them and further down
the road.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I mean, none of it is really about truth. If
you do want some.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
By the way, here's some photos of what Gaza looks
like right now. This is from a Jordanian airplane. Remember
when Anthony was on our show Agui Lar, the former
Green Beret, he talked about why he thought it was
significant that the Jordanians, for the first time you have
planes over Gaza that are not controlled by the Israelies
and can take pictures.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
If you're watching, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean look at that one in particular, where you
have roundabouts being taken over as a camp settlement because
every other place was getting bombed and that's where the
shelter was. If you look at that last one, there's
nothing left. I mean it basically. I was just recently
going back to look at photos of Tokyo after the
fire bombing. It's very similar. Where any small structure is gone,
the large concrete ones are the only ones that survive.

(09:07):
That's basically what it calls back to. And this is
the first time that we've ever even really seen you know,
what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I do want to linger on that starvation point. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
A key part of Holocaust denial in the nineteen eighties
was this talking point about how there were restaurants available
in the Warsaw ghetto, right because they were like, well,
how could they be starving there were restaurants. Yeah, who
do they serve? The filthy rich, the very rich, the
people who had money, and that in many cases the
people who live there talked about this is that you

(09:37):
would have the filthy rich eating in restaurants, doing trade
goods and stuff like that, while people starve to get
death outside of their door.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
And yes, yesterday I saw.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Some Israeli hospar person being like, here's all the restaurants
currently operating in the Gaza strip and it's genuinely crazy.
A lot of people are the pointed that out, that
that was the key tenants of like nineteen eighties holocaust
denial bug. You know, in many cases, like the stuff
is exactly the same. Yeah, it's not a mystery to me.
Why muscular dystrophy, small children, infants, kion bare which drop

(10:09):
site is talking about right now, people who are vulnerable
are going to be the ones who are most vulnerable
in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
But yeah, cute starvation.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
This is why even the whole debate around the term,
it's like, okay, let's use the original terminology, the ones
that we use here in America, like food insecurity, getting
enough to eat? You start doing that, it's like one
hundred percent, you know, that's what I mean. It literally
is one hundred percent. In the gods of stripp.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Doctors and medical profession everybody.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's a Cristi is created by the Israelis. There are
four hundred AID sites. They shut them down. They created
four of their own for what purpose. This is a
more recent development. It just happened in the last couple
of months. All of a sudden. Of course, you get
the starvation news. So why can't you just go back
to the original status quo? Why but right, what did
you say? It's a policy by design? It is all
because they refuse to reach an actual seaspire. The Hamas

(10:58):
demand of a seaspire is at the end of this,
you do need to leave, and they're saying, no, we're
never leaving. Yeah, that's what it's about. So when you
put it.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
That way, it's all a little bit different, isn't it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
And if they want to stay forever, which at this
point is basically the demand you know that they're making,
it will be because of a blank check written by
the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh, not just a blank check.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I mean Trump's plan that he announced was ethnic lensing
and so everybody needs to understand. I mean, this was
one of the things that bothered me in the Alyssa'
slot Can interview is she was like, this is a
bad tactic for the you know, and I was like, no, actually,
they their strategy is an enforced starvation because this was
engineered over many months. It was accelerated starting in March,

(11:43):
but there's been a restriction and an intentional policy of
starvation really from the beginning. You couldn't even go back
before October seventh and the way they controlled what was
allowed to come into the Gaza strip. But so you
have an intentional policy of starvation, why to a miserate
people so they're desperate to leave just to be able
to live. And then they talk about quote unquote voluntary migration.

(12:04):
How voluntary is it when you're being shot at and
starved to death and you know your option is you
can live and leave your home forever, or you can
stay and die like a torturous, long slow or perhaps
a you know, a quick death with a sniper.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Shot to the head.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Those are the choices that are being offered. That is
the strategy, that is the policy, and they are implementing
it very effectively, it is not easy to starve one
hundred percent of a population, and yet that is exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
What they're doing.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Just go and look at the pictures of these children
and tell me there's no starvation. I mean, it is
utterly disgusting to go back to those images of Gaza
from overhead. The reason those images are so significant is
because they've been banned. I mean, those are the pictures
of the Israeli government does not want you to see.
The reporters that were on these, you know, air drop

(12:59):
ride alongs, they were told you can't, you can't do it,
you can't take these pictures, or else we will discontinue
the air drops. So even the meager little bit of aid,
which we all know this is like a dangerous, wildly
inefficient way to get aid on the ground. We talked
about this during the Biden administration too, even this meager
bit of aid we will cut off. So Washington Post

(13:19):
tagged along on one of the Jordanian aid drops and
that's where those pictures came from. And they apparently did
not get the explicit instructions to not take the photos.
But these are photos that the Israeli government very much
does not want you to see. And you know you
can tell why because you look at that and you're like,
you know, remember all this bill of goods we were
sold about precision targeting, and we leaf it make sure

(13:41):
the civilians are moved down of harm's way. And it's
because we have to bomb this hospital because there's a
tunnel underneath and we've got to be able to get
to it. Really, the entire Gaza strip was Hamas. Every
single building, every home, every school, every mosque, every church,
it was all Hamas. And people went in and analyzed
those pictures and would show you like this used to

(14:03):
be a mosque and now it's completely collapsed, and all
of these tense cities, that's all that's left. I mean,
there is no one in Gaza who has not been
displaced all probably all of them multiple times. Virtually everyone
is living in a tent at this point. It's just,
you know, the horrors of it. And back to your
point about Anthony Aguilar, the former Green Beret who's blowing

(14:24):
the whistle on all of this. He told MSNBC over
the weekend he said, when we start to go into
northern Gaza, we're going to see things that are going
to bring the world to their knees, mark my words.
We're going to see human suffering like the world has
not seen in a long time. It's going to bring
us to our knees. And we have an opportunity right
now to stop this and do the right thing. And
if we don't, we're complicit in that. We're already complsit

(14:46):
in that, and the world is going to see it.
And that day is coming. He's called it a reckoning.
That day is coming, and that's why those photos are
important to show because they are the beginning of that
reckoning of the horrors that have been committed here in
our name, with our tax dollars and with the continued
explicit support of our top officials and leaders. Getting back

(15:08):
to the starvation conversation, so there is one person that
the Israelis believe is actually starving, and that is we
can put this up on the screen. Hamas released this
video of one of the captives here who is being
forced I mean, this is disgusting, rights being forced to
dig his own grave and you can see how incredibly

(15:29):
emaciated it is. And the Israelis have shared you know,
images of him before when of course he's like healthy
and robust, and so they do believe this one particular
individual is starving, as he clearly is.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
But guess what, guys, what's.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Being done to the Palestinians and Gaza is being done
to the hostages as well. We know they've been shot
and killed by the Israelis. We know they've been bombed
and killed by the Israelis. Yes, they're starving too because
there's no food. There's no food for you know, for
anyone in the Gaza strip. So it's like and by
the way, I mean the captive families, like many of

(16:04):
them understand this as well. That's why they're desperate for
the war to end and for the hostages to come home.
We had at least one hostage who came out and
who said, my greatest terror was I was going to
be bombed and killed by my own by the Israelis.
Like I thought, that's how I was going to die,
And again some of them did so. So yes, of course,

(16:24):
of course the hostages are starving at this point because
everyone in the Gaza Strip is going without food, many
of them for days at a time.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
You know, okay, hamasage, it's like it's starving them, it's
No one's saying that they should, right, No, I don't.
I actually can't think of a single person who's critical
of the Israeli military operation in the West who is like, yes,
Hamas should starve the hostages too, who was not immediately like, yeah,
they should be released unconditionally. They should obviously, you know,
not be held like this. Nobody should have to dig

(16:54):
their graves, yeah, you know, on camera and be emaciated
and held for seven hundred days in a time.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's horrible.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
No one's saying that that's a good thing, right, And
then it's all a question of like how do you
get them out?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Let's just take you back from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
The theory of their from the beginning was we're going
to go in and this is how we're going to
get the hostages. And at that point it all became
a justification for all of the war, is this is
the way that we will fundamentally be able to release them. Well,
at every turn, the way that they've been able to
release those hostages has been some sort of cease fire agreement.

(17:28):
But they don't care about a sea spire. There's only
been one rescue mission, right, you know, and it actually
didn't end up so well. And remember also those previous
instances of hostages being shot while waving a white flag
of surrender, just in case anybody's forgotten about that one.
But my point is, just if you care about this
guy and you want them to live, which I do.
I want all of these people to live, then how
do we do it. Let's get it done. But that's

(17:49):
not what they want. They just don't want it at
the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, well, and they obviously never talk about the thousands
of Palestinian hostages being held by the Israelis, and there
are actually documented instances of place Indians starving to death
in Israeli care when there is plenty of food that
they could make available to them. Let's go ahead and
go to this next piece because it speaks to that
propaganda visit that Hkkabee and Witcough made to one of

(18:15):
the GHF locations. So apparently they couldn't hold off on
murdering Palestinians even for just this one short visit. This
is according to Al Jazeera. Apparently Israeli soldiers they wanted
to continue their murder, but they didn't want to create
a bad impression for Hakabi and Witcoff, So they just
decided they would use silencers on their weapons when they're

(18:36):
shooting at starving Palestinians seeking aid and Al Jazeera correspondent
in Northern Gaza report he spoke to multiple witnesses who
confirmed the use of silencers deployed by the Israeli army
when targeting people around an AID site. He said this
means Israeli soldiers were trying to inflict casualties, but without
drawing too much attention to themselves.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Have to be discreet.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
We have to have some decorum here as we're murdering
starving Palestinians. The development comes as us on why Steve
Witkoff and Ambassador at Israel My Kakabee visited Gaza for
several hours to see how food distribution works at a
site run by internationally criticized GHF. And I mean, just
it's beyond disgusting. What can you even say about it
at this point that they every day we talked to Saga.

(19:17):
I don't know if you saw this. We talked to
a doctor on Friday who had just come back from
the Gaza strip and she was fit. I really really
recommend that you guys go and watch that interview we
did with her, and she was at NASA Hospital, which
is and Tony Aguilar told us this as well. That's
where two of the AID sites were closest to and
so they would get the bulk of the wounds from

(19:39):
people who were shot at who were going to these
AID distribution sites.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
And she said it was like clockwork.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Every day you knew when the distribution happened, because you
know a short time later you would have one hundred
people count in with gunshot wounds. And she confirmed what
I saw another doctor say as well, that they treated it.
It appeared that the Israelis treated it like target practice
because one all of the wounds would be torso wounds
or the vast majority. The next day it would be legs,

(20:05):
the next day it would be genitals. I mean, that
is the type of barbarism, using human beings, starving human beings,
luring them into these death traps for a little bit
of meager rations, and then using them as literal target practice.
It's not just doctors, it's not just Anthony Aguilar who

(20:25):
is talking about the horrors and the atrocities committed routinely
by the IDF. You have an Israeli soldier who came
forward to talk to the BBC about what he saw
the level of indiscriminate killing that he saw from his
unit while he was in the Gaza strip.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Let's take a listen to that.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Kay fought with the Idea fing Gaza in early twenty
twenty four. He described several incidents in which his unit
killed unarmed people, including two boys he described as young teenagers.

Speaker 7 (20:54):
Any when you see off the humanitarian road, shoot should
to kill. That's what we were told when the qualified that.
Of course, if it's a woman or a child, don't shoot,
try to detain them, Don't be stupid.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Do you think there's a lack of accountability.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
I would definitely say there's a lack of accountability. When
we lost some people in a firefight, it was just
it destroy everything, kill everyone you see.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
When we lost some people in a firefight, it was
just fuck it, destroy everything, kill everyone you see. And
the BBC has sort of they're part of this. I
guess global shift towards a little more scrutiny, a little
more condemnation of what Israel is up to as we
see these horrific images of starvation. They've done a number
of investigations. They investigated over one hundred and sixty cases

(21:40):
of kids shot in Gaza between October twenty twenty three
and July twenty twenty five. At least ninety five or
shot in the head or chest. In all but two
cases are witness Where eyewitnesses were available, Israeli soldiers were
identified as the shooter. So if you're shooting kids in
the head or chest, that's not an accident, that's an
intentional murder of a child.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well yeah, I mean, there's no denying it at this point.
Let's get to those demands here, because this actually just
gives away the end game as well. Let's put the
next one, please on the screen. C seven from drop
site Israel rejects key Hamas demands. Why Net reports Israel's
latest response to the Hamases fire, sent tonight, rejects several
of the core demands, including quote dismantling the US back
Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, reopening the Rafaka crossing, full withdrawal from

(22:21):
the Philadelphia Corridor, and control over.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Prison release sequencing.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
But I think really important, you know, within that is
what the Israelis themselves are doing in some sort of
grand counterproposal where They're like, if you don't surrender, then
we're just going to take over the whole Gaza strip.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Part of the reason why that's so crazy, though, is
that that's what.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
They're already doing there already is the plan they said
they're going to annex it and having a quote indefinite
presence like what more.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
It's just the entire demand is.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Basically a pretext for what they've always wanted to do
from the beginning. I'm not defending hamas of course, the
hostages should be released. What they do to these that
guy is horrific. It looks horrible, you know, on camera
or any of that. And at this point, you know,
what Ryan was telling me is that even inside of
Gaza is that the population is so beaten down that

(23:08):
they're begging them to surrender because they're like, I can't
take it anymore, you know, which I understand absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I probably would be in a similar position.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
So they themselves, though at a political level, are just
refusing to sign on to something which they believe is
going to be you know, basically an annexation of Gaza anyways,
and so but it is going to happen now at
this point, it's more a question about military force and
about the US presence, because that's the scariest part is
that it would require some sort of US led administration,

(23:37):
you know, over the Gaza Strip, which we should have
nothing to do. We don't want our hands on any
more of this than we already do. Actually ruling over,
you know, and having some sort of political responsibility for
IDF soldiers underneath that body, you know, going and murdering
anybody that they want to. That is just like so
horrific and disgusting, and that's that really seems like the path.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
That we're on right now.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh yeah, no doubt about it, No doubt about it.
And lastly, you know, we can put this up on
the screen, so every living former yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
This is crazy. Yeah, this is the people who don't Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
So the number of former Israeli Masad and Shouldn't bet
head of military intelligence, all of these people have now
come out and signed this letter saying the war needs
to end. So a rare event, the likes of which
we have not seen. Heads of the defense establishments throughout
the generations. Almost all the people who were at the
helm of security tonight call to stop the war and

(24:35):
return the hostages. In a public call to it Israeli
public and demanding from the Israeli government stopped the feudal
war bring.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
The hostages home in one phase.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
So you have You've also had this former deputy head
of Massade who came out and said, yeah, it's a genocide.
It is in fact a genocide. And this is from
an American political context. Another really significant development, which is
the head of J Street, which J Street is like
the liberal quote unquote liberal Zionists organization, sort of counter

(25:04):
to a pack. And a lot of Democrats, like Slotkin
for example, gets money from Jay Street. A lot of
Democrats who aren't the like John Fetterman, just hard hardcore
APAC types, they get their talking points from J Street.
And so the guy who is the head of that,
Jeremy Benam, he came out and said, you know what,

(25:25):
it is a genocide. Until now, he says, I've tried
to deflect, but Israel is committing genocide. He said he
was persuaded rationally by legal and scholarly arguments that international
courts will one day find Israel has broken the International
Genocide Convention. Until now, I've tried to deflect and defend
when challenge to call this genocide. But I cannot and
will not argue anymore against those using the term. I
simply won't defend the indefensible. And as recently as last week,

(25:49):
I watched him debate Meddi Hassen on this very point
and you know, refuse but I think basically because his
argument he reflected on was so shallow that it just
was untenable. I mean basically his argument was, and I'm
obviously paraphrasing here, was like it hurts my feelings and
other people's feelings to call it a genocide.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I mean, to do it, yeah, I mean with the.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Meddi's good at Putneddie out.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I mean, if you're one of these people who is
obsessed with like never I mean, if you've ever been
to a Holocaust museum or Yadavasham or the US Holocaust
Museum never again, and you've bought into all of the precepts,
then like, what are we doing here in terms of
the right or you know, by the way, you know,
which is ironic to me is a significant number of
people who are quote genocide deniers, where the people saying

(26:37):
that Russia wants to commit a genocide in Ukraine just
so people remember, remember bucha the massacre, where like, look,
I'm not no one's.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Defending it, Okay, right, it's as like it's a massacre.
I just said it.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
But my point is that they were like, this is
a genocidal action by the Russian state. People know my
feelings on the word. But my point, and this kind
of gets to it, is, oh, it's genocide and Russia
does it, but now it's not here.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's always usually used to.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Justify US dollars and intervention every time this thing comes about.
But I'm just giving an example of how within like
the liberal internationalist framework. You know, if you're still doing
the denial and all that, I just think you're jokes.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Well, and here's the thing with this guy, he wrote
like a substack post I think about this, and he
said he's still not going to use it because it
still hurts his feelings, but he's no longer going to
deny that that is what's occurring. And I'm telling you,
I think it's really significant. I think I think a
lot of Democrats take their cues from j Street, and
so it may represent a really significant political shift because

(27:36):
they are like the they are the they have you know,
decent amount of funding behind them. They are the liberal
Zionist organization for people who thought for like Democrats who
think Netanya who is yucky, but want to still support
the state of Israel.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's a great way of putting this is the this is.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
The organization for them, and I'll give they have a
lot of sway and influence.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I went to GW which is like thirty five percent Jewish,
so you know, it's massive J Street presence, right, And
the classic liberal Zionist J Street supporter is like, well,
you know, of Jewish, I support Israel, but of course
I don't support the settlements, or of course I don't
know what it's like now, but this is ten to
fifteen right to go. And so at that time, like
Jason was one of the biggest political organizations on the campus,

(28:17):
more so than APAK or any of these other places
in terms of you know, supporting like dialogue or peace
or any of that. It's kind of crazy to think
about how that was the mainstream kind of democratic Jewish
position in America, at least politically whenever it came to Israel.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
They're at the time. So yeah, for them to say
that like that is a sea.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Change, because you know this whole Netanyahu support Israel all
of you know, birth ride out in the open and
all that stuff like that. I don't think that's flying anymore.
I'd have to go back and check. I should ask
the people currently.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Going liberal Zionism is not a tenable position. It is
not a tenable position. I mean not not remotely anymore.
I mean it really never was, but now the contradictions
have been heightened.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I would wait a bit post Iran deal twenty fifteen
bb speed each before it basically killed it.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
But yeah, yeah, from that point forward.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Especially now, but now forget about it, like forget about it.
And democratic politicians haven't realized that yet. Maybe you and
Ryan I'm out tomorrow at ryan'san for me. Maybe you
and Ryan will cover that Isaac Dovier piece about do
you didn't see it? About how democrats are realizing.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, I did, got it.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
We got to shift a little bit on this, but
they have no idea how far gone they are. And
last thing on this, and we'll get to the free
speech stuff, which dovetails very very much with the conversation
we're having here. But you know this position that AOC
was espousing about like defensive weapons. And that's like slock
Ken tried to pull that with us as well, and
she she did say that she would have voted against

(29:41):
the offensive weapons if she hadn't been on Colbert that night.
But anyway, that line came from j Street. That's the
position that they had retreated to as well. And so
when I say they're influential, that's what I mean. Like
you can see the way that Democratic politicians are picking
up their talking points and running with it, which is
why I think that this is influential. But yeah, they

(30:02):
have no idea how far off with eight percent of
the Democratic base supports what Israel is doing. And no,
they don't think it's just Netanyahu and if you just
got get hit him out of here, it'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
They don't think that, oh well.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
We could still send some weapons, but not these weapons.
And you know, oh, I don't really want to call
it a genslate like the base is so in New
York City, a plurality of Jewish voters are supporting Zoran Mamdani.
Like Zorin is an avowed anti Zionist and avowed like
BDS supporter, and he is winning Jewish voters in New

(30:37):
York City. Like, that's how far the democratic base is.
You have a large supermajority of Democratic voters in New
York City saying yes, BBDT Nyahu should be arrested if
he comes here, and eighty percent saying is a genocide.
So democratic politicians are so far behind the curve. It
is just unbelievable how out of step they are. But
we'll we'll continue, We'll continue that conversation for sure.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
On another day.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Let's go ahead and get to TikTok deciding that they're
going to install an IDF sensor in their organization to
make sure that there isn't you know, anti semitism quote
unquote on the platform. Let's put this up on the screen.
This is so incredibly wild. So the headline here is
TikTok hires quote proud American Jew to tackle anti semitism

(31:26):
on the platform. Appointment of Erica Mindel comes am in
growing concerns over online Jew hate. They go on to
say that her role will include developing and driving the
company's positions on hate speech, ensuring alignment with global regulations.
So like that bullshit anti semitism definition that was codified
here in the US industry, standards and best practices. Spear

(31:47):
had long term policy strategies that position the company as
an industry leader and combating online hate speech and analyzing
hate speech trends focusing on antisemitic content. And you know
what doesn't get mentioned in this particular headline is the
fact that she is a former IDF reservist. She made
a leah after college join the IDF.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Wait she meet Alia, Yeah, oh my god. All right,
let's can show all explain to people what that is.
That's when you're an American Jew and you go home
to Israel. That's what the right to return is for
any Jew in the world. Listen, be my guest. All right,
but maybe you should lose your citizenship, just saying if
you're willing to do that and go serve in the idea,
if you feel so called by your religion to go

(32:28):
and live in a foreign country. I wish you the best,
but you should give up your passport and forever and
you know, just great, just my personal, great opinion. I
would hope that everybody. But I mean, look, let's all
be honest. Due those are the most dedicated.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Like yeah, just like the converse, if you were born.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
In this country, and you say, I feel compelled because
of my religion to go and be a citizen of
a foreign nation and to go serve in that other country.
How in what world are you ever loyal to that?
You literally gave up yours, you know, theoretically, you gave
up your citizenship. You feel called to go somewhere else,
then go? You know, are you why are you involved

(33:06):
with us at all? Apparently that's a controversial position, So Crystal,
can you now support my effort to band TikTok?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Now you have a h let's lick libs. You got it,
Let's be honest. You were all no, I was.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I was honestly, I was going to make a joke
about it, like, yeah, maybe I could get out.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
We were all on my side whenever we were talking
about this pre Israel, all right, Liberals, everybody was because
it was it was never about free speech. It's about
Chinese control and large foreign control, not just Chinese. Four
of our powerful technology platforms which should be liable to
US law and should have at least some transparency, which yes,
I understand Meta, Google and all those others, but we

(33:44):
could regulate them if we want. We can't do the
same with TikTok. So now that they have their pro
IDF sensor, join me. All right, I've been over here
for a long time since twenty and nineteen.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Let's kill it. Let's get it done.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I don't think Trump will do this, especially now you
know now it's pro Israel and it was supposedly pro Trump,
although I wonder what the vibe is on TikTok these days,
what the political vibe is.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Oh, it's not Trump, but then why was it so?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Why was it so pro Trump?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, I mean, but just look at the way that
young people have shifted. Yeah, like I mean young men
in particular, He's had the biggest fall fall from grace
with young men is literally any demographic.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
So no, I mean the TikTok fuss.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I always remember back to Nikki Haley citing on the
debate stage, like ten minutes on TikTok makes you fifty
percent more anti Semmeigra. I'm butchering the numbers here, but
it was something new, was something ridiculous like that. And
there are still is really like Israeli's and Israeli has
baris who believe that their only problem is like a

(34:44):
messaging problem, and their only problem is like a social
media problem.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
And oh, I mean Natanyahu.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Said something like this in the Milk Boys interview, something like, oh,
you know, the lie gets around the world before the
truth can possibly catch up, and it's like, no, Actually,
the problem that we had that you have is that
people can see the truth and TikTok has been an
important part of that. It's not anti Semitic, but that
has been an important part of the rapidly shifting consciousness

(35:11):
with regard to Israel. I mean, Israel has lost young
people across the board, regardless of political affiliation, like it
is done.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
It is over.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
The only group that still backs Israel are boomer Republicans
and they're not on TikTok. So but it's not just TikTok.
I mean, I'm not really on TikTok. And it's obviously
all over Twitter, it's all over you know, Instagram. I
mean this is you can pick your social media platform
and people are able to watch video YouTube wherever you are,
so you know, I think they continue to believe that

(35:38):
they can like censor and shut down criticism of Israel,
and that ship, that ship has sailed like no, it's over.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I hate to say, though, I still think that their
strategy is correct because at this point, what else are
they going to do? And what I mean by that is,
at this point, the long term political support for Israel
that's dead. Don't we all agree? Right, it's done. So
if that's true, then what should you do? Use the
moment when your political system is the most captured and
accelerate the Greater Israel project?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's what and that's that's genuinely what's happening.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
We're going to annex Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, as
much of it as possible, kill.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
As many powers as we can, get you.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
A bomb Iran's that'll look it's literally like a final solution.
I'm choosing my words, but it is like it's a
final projection of the Greater Israel project at patched by
the way, warned by the idea, and means what it
means that at that point, what US president is going
to roll it back after this, no matter what, it's
not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So they know that, and so in a certain way,
like they're doing.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
They realize their time is limited and they're going for it.
They are going for it, and so far, no one
with any power has done anything to stop.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
And I don't think they will.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
I mean again, even if there's an anti Zionist future president, Like,
what are we going to do in vade Syria to
roll back the Ideaf?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Like it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Okay, Like that's my point, And broadly, the Arab powers
seem okay with it. I don't know what's going on
over there, but they're like.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Well, I mean because they're all bought off bias.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I mean, Egypt gets so much aid from US Jordan,
like these are you know, these are just client states
as well. Like they're paid to accept the Israeli state
and whatever Israel wants to do.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
That's their whole role in the region.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
You know, after the Camp David Accords with Egypt that
basically like cut off that sort of like resistant.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Right, three point three billion a year. You know, it's
an impoverished country. They need the money, they need the
military aid.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I don't know. The whole situation is crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, no, it is all right.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
So there was an incident that unfolded at Florida State
University of This was in the gym. Apparently there was
some dude wearing an idf T shirt, which is wild,
and another student was not too impressed with his choice
of attire. Let's go ahead and take a look at
how this played out.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Buck Israel free palace sign put it on fucking barsol
APIs you? I really don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
You're an incredis ton of a bitch. Oh so that's
the incident.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
All right, So why are we even talking about this?
All right? Why are we talking about this?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
This reminds me of the twenty fourteen era, right, twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen, I found a noose in my dorm room,
national news story, Oh my god, racism.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
BB well, we're going to start a commission.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Oh my god, some sexual assault allegation, kangaroo court, mattress girl.
Everybody remember that national story? Well, why are we litigating
this now? Nobody's defending the behavior of this young lady?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Okay, well look, okay, some people are defending all right,
But fine.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
I don't think reasonable people think that that's generally how
people should act in a gym or whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Although I will say, as you said.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Wearing an IDFT shirt and a gym, that's a statement
at a gym that I go to people. There's a
guy who wears a Ukrainian shirt with the from of
the Azov Battalion. I mean, would it be unreasonable for
somebody to be like, hey man, it's a Nazi T shirt.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
You know, so, you know, let me just stay in
my position to be clear, because I don't support violence. Yeah,
so everything she said, no problem, the shove, okay, I
wouldn't do that. Keep your you know, you keep your.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Hands to yourself.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Don't go violent.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I think that people wearing id F T shirts you know,
which are you know, which is celebrating a genocide?

Speaker 4 (39:10):
I think they should be shamed.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I think they should feel that there's going to be
social societal consequences for wearing that shirt in public.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I do support reasonable position, free country. Can we all
agree with that? All right? You know?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Weishould take a poll. Should I say something to the
A battalion guy I have not heard?

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I remarked on it. I go, hey, am I the
only person who sees this. I was like, this is
great literally Italian shirt. It's nuts anyway.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Wow, that's a choice. That is a choice.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I agree, it's I'm like, yo, this is a Nazi battalion.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
It's something like Ukraine T shirt.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Okay, right, okay, and you know, wearing an Israeli shirt.
I also don't think it's acceptable. But I D you're
wearing an I d F T shirt. Again, that is.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
A it's a statement. It's a statement.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
All right, let's go to this. So why does anybody
care about this at all? So Florida State put out
a statement. Here's what they said. I'm going to read
it from you. Florida State University is actively addressing the altercation.
The FSU Police Department interviewed the two students. The matter
is being reviewed for potential criminal charges, for charges under
the FSU Student Code of Conduct, and it looks like
it's leading towards an expulsion. Fine, nobody should care about

(40:21):
this anymore. Well, the Attorney General of the United States says,
thank you, President McCullough of the university for your leadership
and prompt action. Anti Samitas will not be tolerated in
Florida or anywhere else. She tags a bunch of people
who are working at the DOJ, including in this Civil
Rights Division, and says, my US attorney are now investigating this.

(40:43):
So they are investigating this as some sort of federal
hate crime. Now, once again, I want to reiterate this
is just as nuts as during the racial.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Panic of the twenty tens.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Whenever the federal government and other we're coming in and
we're like, oh, we're going to preempt this. Well, I
wouldn't go that far. Things got pretty crazy for a while.
But my point is just that this is just like
the Department of Anti Racism and all this other stuff,
you know, all fantasized by Ibraheim Kendy. I mean, just recently,
there's a coffee shop in California.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Look, I'm not going to defend it.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
They've had some drink which celebrated October seventh, way, and like, actually,
did they like named it after October seventh, after the
leader of Hamas. Okay, I mean, fine, you know, boycott
it whatever. There was two guys in there who got harassed.
I don't support that, people who were Jewish, but they're
being investigated and targeted by the DOJ Civil Rights Division

(41:40):
for this is a local matter in California, all right, Let's.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Leave it to the justice system.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
It's a state local This does not need to be
a national story. It's just like going after that Baker
for not you know, for refusing to bake K's cakes
for the gays, who, by the way, sought him out
and sought that legal battle in the courts, just so
everybody is aware. But that's my point is that they're
trying to weaponize the federal government to come in and

(42:06):
like preempt and use like the highest federal statute levels,
which were designed I mean, let's think about it. These
ant you know, these hate crime laws and all this
this were designed for like lynchings. These were designed for
like completely out of control, like a Jim Crow South
Society or you know, the KKK or something like high level.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Prosecution, not some altercation in a student gym in Florida.
And of course I'm sure, oh, what are you saying?
You defend it? No, it's a state matter, local matter alone.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Here's the thing, Okay, just to lodge my disagreement on
the gay baker's situation, I don't think you should be
able to discriminate against people.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Yeah, these guys, these guys had to drive sixty miles
out of their way.

Speaker 8 (42:47):
To go get their case.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
But it's about the it's about the principle. But I
do think it's different because here's the thing. They're trying
to claim this as anti Semitic. I don't even I
don't even know if this guy were in the IDF
teacher was Jewish.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
They don't say I said he was Jewish.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I have no idea, and there's no in occasion this
person knew with his religion, Like, you can object to
the actions of the IDF without being anti Semitic.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
So that's number one.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Number two, even with regard to the expulsion, I want
to know if Florida State really expels every single person
whoever like shoves anyone on their campus. Is that a
consistent standard, because I really kind of doubt it. I
really kind of doubt it. So you know, consistent standard
should be applied. But the reason I say this is
more insane than anything we've seen in the past is
because obviously it's not just about Florida State University. And

(43:29):
by the way, Randy Fine tweeted that this lady who
said the fuck Israel free Palestinde thing, that she was
a Muslim terrorist. You have a member of Congress who
is calling this girl on a college campus a Muslim
terrorist because she objects to what the IDF is doing here.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
But this is.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
A nation wide witch hunt for fake anti Semitism, and
we can go ahead and put D five up on
the screen. Some of the things, some of the quote
unquote anti Semitism training. You guys got to read this
article because I am not going to do it justice.
It is insane. The things that freshmen coming in are

(44:11):
being forced, like this propaganda struggle session bullshit that they're
being forced to endure. So they focus in for tailor
on Northwestern, which is under multiple federal investigations for alleged
anti Semitism. They said that they are implementing a training
that will adhere to federal policy. And so again all

(44:32):
those people have said this codification of the anti Semitism
definition wasn't going to be a big deal. Wrong, completely wrong,
because that's what they're talking about when they're using that
codified definition of anti Semitism for this completely, completely insane training.
So one of the things they do they lay out
ten hypothetical anti Semitic and anti Israel situations, why the

(44:53):
ADL views them as a problem and advises students on
how to respond. So again, this was all developed by
the ADL. One scenario explains why someone spray painting swastikas
on a Jewish fraternity home is a problem.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, that's a problem. That is anti Semitic. That is
a problem. I don't know you needed a training to
know that.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
But okay, say also though half the time.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
By the way, again, GW the original home of one
of these scares, one of the og fake fakeries was
this girl in our one of our dorms, saying, somebody
keeps drawing the swastika on my whiteboard and I'm discriminated against.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
So they saw the camera. Oh she was actually doing
it the whole time. All right. I'm just saying, wasn't
there some.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Fairy wis anti Semitic graffiti incident? I'm noting that correctly.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I'm not aware anyway. I'm just saying a.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Lot of times, okay, let's just say if it's legit, okay, yeah,
that is anti SI. That is a problem. Don't draws
up swastikas. Don't do that.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Here's the next example they give, which they equate to
being the same as drawing swastikas on a Jewish fraternity house.
Another example examines why flyers criticizing the Israeli government for
demolishing Palestinian homes is similarly an issue. So they're equating
swastikas with criticizing the Israeli government policy of destroying Palestinian

(46:11):
homes and stealing their land. They want you to believe
that those two things are equivalent. A third raises concerns
over a hypothetical charge that a sponsored Israel trip is
pro apartheid propaganda. They want you to believe all of
those things are anti Semitism. So this is Northwestern, but
this is schools across the country are implementing this type

(46:33):
of insane struggled session quote unquote anti Semitism propaganda that
they're force feeding to their students and their incoming freshmen
in particular.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
And it's not only that the number.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Of schools, it's like sixty plus schools across the country
that are being targeted right now by the Trump administration.
And you know, they've already extracted these multimillion dollar effectively
like bribes from these colleges to get them to leave
them alone. It does work too, by the way, and
Columbia paid them off and it still didn't work.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
They didn't leave them alone.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know, you have them taking over the Middle Eastern
Studies Department, the federal government basically taking over an entire
department of study. Let's put D six up on the screen.
Brown University another one here. They struck a fifty million
dollar deal with the Trump administration over allegations of campus
anti Semitism. And Glenn Greenwald has been going to war

(47:29):
with Stephen Miller over this all out assault on free speech,
specifically on college campuses.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Let's go ahead and take a listen. This is D four, guys.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little
bit of what Glenn had to say.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
Here's what he said about my tweet quote. This is
just patently falls. We have officials working continuously to identify,
revoke or den i foreigners visas were spouse hatred for
America or its people. This is a top priority. College
students who witnessed such contact can use the ICE tip line.
So that's about whether they're deporting students who criticize Israel,

(48:03):
and I'll get to that, but that's the thing I'm
leaving aside as for the issue about restricting the speech
of American students and professors on campuses. He says, also,
there is no quote speech code of any kind. In
the Columbia deal, there's an ironcloud requirement with enforcement mechanisms
to admit students based on actual merit and not illegal
racial quotas set aside our preferences. Yes, that isn't the deal,

(48:29):
but the Trump administration also cajoled in Coerce Colombia to
adopt the HRIA definition, which severely attacks the free speech
rights of American students at Columbia and professors. By outlining
that long list of views I just showed you.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Soccer, I think it's interesting that Steven Miller fel don't
need to respond to him on this stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I wonder. Look, I don't know, I have no
idea why.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I mean, it probably is getting in because he Stephen
previously led a large legal fund that from during the
Biden ministry that would challenge similar like DEI codes, And look.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I mean that's why.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I mean, I'm coming from a place I think of principle,
like I genuinely oppose all of this DEI racial training.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
A lot of the reason why that it we are
where we are.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
I would say a huge reason why Trump is president
today is because of the back line, Especially if you
want to talk about the demographic that I you know,
think about a lot, which is like young men becoming
right wing.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
This is a huge part of it.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Dudes having to sit through this bullshit in college and
in HR trainings and they're like, you know what, fuck this,
I'm done, And so this is just an extent, an
extension of that.

Speaker 10 (49:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
One reason why I would say this is worse is
I can't listen to people who have criticized the latter
and then accept the former. So if I spend ten
years in a political project talking about we need a
quality above the law with no more affirmative action, no
more special treatment, no more DEI, no more special group
in group, you know, hatred, and then we flip it

(49:53):
around and use it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Now, I just can't deal with it. Like from Ben
Shapiro and all these.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Other folks much, I mean you, I just can't go.
But Tager, hold on.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Let me let me just make my case kidnapping a
student off the street for an OpEd criticizing Yeah, I
mean that's why there's there is a use of the
government here that goes beyond anything we've seen before. I mean,
the number of investigations, the out what right bribes, the
taking over of departments, the deporting people based on wrongthink
for a particular nation, the implementation of these like you

(50:25):
know DEI policies just for their chosen groups at schools.
I mean, when you put it all together, it is
it is like you said, it is maybe what ibramex
Kendy would have implemented, but he didn't. There was no
anti racism department, like it is the fever dream of
that but realized in this incredibly authoritarian manner. Across the

(50:45):
board you have the fucking HHS with an anti Semitism
tax task force. Like you have to acknowledge, this goes
beyond anything we thought.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
It's complicated because I would say at a cultural level
like me too, BLM and.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
All that, but in terms of government action.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
So it's complicated because it felt actually more oppressive at
the time because it was in private employment and it
was backed up at various levels by the Obama and
the Biden administration, but it was not fully enshrined to loss.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
So I will absolutely grant you that this time.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
It's almost the reverse, where at a cultural level, like
anti Zionism or an anti Israel position is like WI
spread and basically seventy eighty percent popular, but the government
is the one cracking.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I'm not sure which is worse. They're both horrible.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
But I mean, I think you're right that culturally they
have tried to achieve they full on cancel culture, and
because it's just been such a backlash against it that
they haven't been able to achieve. But I think back
to the sponsoring of those trucks with the names of
students who were protesters, trying to cancel and make sure
they could never be employed. All of that, and certainly

(51:49):
you know in Hollywood there's been a big price to
pay if you were willing to speak out, especially early
on against Israeli actions. So in any case, but that's
why I think if we focus on specific government actions,
I think this goes far beyond.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
And glennar I believe agrees with He's right.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Look, yes it's true.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
No, you know anti blim activist was ever deported by
the Obama Biden administration. Okay, like, no, I don't know.
You know the guy who raped Mattress girl going and
Chike into that story, he did not even I think
he was a German national. He was well, no, I
think he st he got his med school acceptance revoked.

(52:26):
It's look again, that's a cultural thing, right And by
the way, he's one hundred percent if everybody wants to
know that, the way was that Columbia, Yes, exactly where
miss Mattress girl hauled her.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I don't know, I don't know why I'm still so upset.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
But the reason the reason she would continue to be
upset is because there wasn't action taken against him on campus.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Okay, sure, but my point is just even ten years later,
it still scars me because that was like a widespread
national story or whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
At the time.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
But you're right, there was never an effort by the
Obama administration to come in and rewrite you know, the
kangaroo codes.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
I mean there was some at least at a tidal
line level.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
It didn't take any Columbia University.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Nobody was going to find no one was killing now
or you know, I could go on forever rolling Stone
or any of these other you know hoaxes that all
happened in the past. But yes, it's complicated because at
a cultural level it achieved massive dominance, but it was
never backed up at a government level. In fact, though,
I think the reason why it's being back here at
a government levels because they don't have the cultural power.

(53:23):
You know, if things were allowed to go in a
private institution way, it would be very, very different. But anyway,
let's get to Tim Dillon. Now we can always look
at him for some relieving content. Here, you know, one
of the most tapped in inaccurate podcasters of our generation.
And here's what he has to say about the current
political moment and about Barry Wise. Is Free Press potentially

(53:45):
being valued at a quarter billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Let's take a listen.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
The political fallout from this scandal.

Speaker 11 (53:52):
It would be monumental and it would affect some of
the wealthiest people in the world and our relationships with
different she's namely Israel.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
I don't care how many you know.

Speaker 11 (54:03):
Barry Weiss, whose company is you know sold now, is
going to sell the CBS for three trillion dollars or something.
Larry Ellison's sons buying the Free Press, you know, the
very the very important free press blog that on substack
is worth two hundred and fifty million dollars. And I
like Barry, but the free you know, the one that

(54:25):
gets like seventy five hundred views on YouTube, that powerhouse
conglomerate media company is worth two hundred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 8 (54:34):
By the way, so that Tim Dillon shows apparently worth.

Speaker 11 (54:36):
A billion, Hello, Miriam, where's my fucking money?

Speaker 8 (54:41):
Three hundred million dollars a quarter billion.

Speaker 11 (54:43):
Dollars for Barry Weiss's blog in which she interviewed Megastar
Ross Dufitt from The New York Times about why conspiracies have.

Speaker 8 (54:54):
Taken the hold of the American mind.

Speaker 11 (54:56):
And Rosc goes, well, you know that thing about consmbiracy
is there is an element of truth. Not in this one.
There's not an element of truth. It's that it's all truth.
Like it was like, oh, the grift is to go
against Israel. It's like, clearly not. The grift is a
quarter million dollars for the blog. For your blog. By
the way, God bless nice woman, sweet charming woman, her

(55:22):
and her wife, lovely people.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
No issue with them directly at all.

Speaker 11 (55:28):
They don't like me anymore, which is fine because again,
you're on the team, or you're not on the team.
You criticize one thing, I mean, you're off the team.
But apparently the brand equity, and by brand equity means
I'm willing to argue for shooting Palestinian Toddlers in a face,
brand in a in a that's the brand equity of

(55:49):
two hundred and fifty sticks to shoot toddler in his face.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
Thank you, three hundred and three, Thank.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
You very much.

Speaker 8 (55:57):
Sh'S very good, and a three hundred million for you.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
I mean, when he's right good, when he's right, he's right.
Let's put this up there on the screen. This is
from Lachland Cartwright. It's from his newsletter. I just thought
he did a phenomenal job here, so I'm going to
read here quote. It is not worse he's talking about
the Free Press anywhere near the valuation of why s Berman.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Had been blaming.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
According to two people familiar with the matter, there are
number of factors that should give any potential shooter pause.
The former New York Times journalist is known for overspending.
She has splash cash on spaceous office, overpaid to lure
marquee names. The publication pays freelance writers two dollars award.
They currently have fifty people on staff, big name hires.
Many of others have departed. Meanwhile, the Free Press signature

(56:40):
podcast Honestly lingers at number thirty one in Society and
Culture thirty one should I shouldn't chart chain, but you
know when we're all when we're.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Trying to sell for a court, but not even thirty
first in societiety and.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Culture quote drawing marginal revenue.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
The free press events such as monthly book clubs and
debate series have failed to generate meaningful profits. That only
leave some part of Barry Weiss's business that is subject
to churn. Then there is the reputational risk, and he continues.
So that's just at a pure business level.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Now, it's an open question to me whether they even
those sub numbers have been real well. And also, I mean,
what do they say the sub numbers are.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
It's like one hundred and fifty five thousand.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
But anyway, yeah, I mean, okay, so you go to
their now they do have their blog, they have other
things going on. You go to their YouTube page. Three
hundred and thirty one thousand subscribers. So we have roughly
five times their number of subscribers at this point, roughly
five times that. Aforementioned from Tim Dillon interview with Ross Douthat,

(57:38):
which Ross really catching some straight there by the way.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Ross is great all right, leave Ross alone.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I won't have Ross back on the show. Actually, obviously
I have disagreement. Well that's off of it anyway. On Okay,
here's the headline here, Jeffrey Epstein and Conspiracy America Epstein
hot topic online.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Right, surely going to do some numbers.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Seventeen thousand, seventeen thousand views the debate that they just
put out between Eli Lake and Josh Hammer on Russia Gate,
five thousand abuse. Wow, Okay, this is These are the
metrics for a company that apparently is getting a valuation
of two hundred. I mean, it's just absolutely insane. So,

(58:19):
I mean you were making the point before maybe we
should celebrate this because I was.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Going to say that warworth I was going to say,
in some ways, I want this happened because it means
I'm a cent a millionaire on paper.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Okay, but no, look, it's all bullshit.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
This is ridiculous, totally insane, and I'm not sitting.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Here claiming to be number one. You know, there are
a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Of big U political YouTube channels out there that are
way bigger. But I'm not sitting around trying to get
quarter billion dollars out of Larry Ellison's son either.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Okay, well, that's my point.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
The reason Tim Dillon's sketch hits so hard is because
he's right. The whole value comes from her willingness, yes
to put an intellectual she it's absolute monstrosities.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
It's in writing that Dylan buyers Who's again. I know
this may seem tedious, but this is important for all
you guys to understand that there are.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
People like us. You know, they're all listen.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Timpool's not out there asking for quarter billion dollars, all right,
and he gets fifteen times number of views, He has
more reviews than we do, PbD, any of these other
None of these folks are out there. You can think
whatever you want about them, but you know they're running
their own businesses and they're not out there trying to
be bought.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
For billions and billions or whatever.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
And the point though, in the Barry Weiss case is
that it is entirely an intellectual sheene on pro Israel
and pro Zionism. If you read about it, David Ellison
and others are genuinely only want to buy the Free
Press to support Israel.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
They want to support and put what's her name, Barry
on the CBS news board as an ombudsman.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Yeah, so she's going to fill the role as the TikTok.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yes, yes, I just send for But do you know
why this is crazy? Do you know why this is crazy?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
This is a network television liket, like granted license from
the government, CBS, this News Morning, like when you don't
even have cable, this network TV, CBS, sixty Minutes, all
of these legacy brands and all this we fall under Herbert.
That's why what's nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And CBS has already been the knee in a number
of really significant ways. You know, they trimmed the sales
of sixty minutes because sixty Minutes was doing good reporting
on Trump but also specifically on Israel Palestine that they
didn't like. You had their longtime executive producer leave under duress.
There's the Stephen Colbert situation, which you know, I do
think that that was a stop to the Trump administration.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
And I mean it's both. I think it's both.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
It's the CD show like, it's all of that, but
I do think that was a stop to the Trump administration.
You had CBS also settle a lawsuit basically paying a
bribe to the Trump administration. They want their freaking merger
to go through. And this is why I think the
Colbert thing was in part political, because right after that
happens and low and behold, oh they're getting approval for
their big merger whatever. So the government has said they're
going to install like a bias monitor at CBS, and

(01:01:00):
I guess Barry can be part of that team. So
congratulations to her. I just absolutely extraiage. It does go
back to what you're saying about how Israel realizes this
is their moment that they have lost the you know,
anybody under forty in America they have lost, and they
have you know, completely outside of America, and they have
completely isolated themselves globally. Now is their moment, and so

(01:01:24):
they are going for it. And part of going for
it is this sort of like pushing of bias monitors
at TikTok and at major network news, with Barry Weiss
being a significant part of that. And it's it is
wild to see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Ye, that's right, all right, we've got jasper standing by.
Let's get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
So one ed to update you guys on an important
development with regard to the veracity of the story of
the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation whistleblower Anthony Aguilar, former Green Beret.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Who spoke with us last week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
So key part of his testimony was about a child
named Emir who he saw at one of the age
distryution sites, and a mirror really struck a chord with
him because he approached him after having scrounged some meager
rations off of the ground, and he wanted to say
thank you to him. In English, Aguilar said that he
grabbed his face and kissed his hands in gratitude for

(01:02:17):
these meager rations that he was able to literally scrounge
off the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
And then shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Thereafter, the IDF fired as they typically do on Palestinians
who were leaving the AID site, and Aguilar saw a
mirr dead on the ground, having been killed by the IDF.
So the GHF has put out a number of statements
trying to call into question Anthony's testimony, specifically about a mirror.

(01:02:44):
They put on a photo of what appeared to be
a completely different child on a different day and say, oh,
here is a mirror. He was fine, here he is
being happy. Well, we now have an update from a
Middle East guy who were able to actually track down
the family of a mirror and to try to discover okay,
well is he is he fine? Is he there in
your care or what happened to him? And we can
put this up on the screen. They were able to
identify the family, and the family says that he is missing.

(01:03:07):
They have searched for him extensively. They've looked in all
the hospitals, they've looked in all the wargs, they've gone
to humanitarian organizations like the Red Cross. They have found
absolutely no trace of him. The last time anyone has
seen him alive is as pictured in those photos that
Anthony Aguilar took, so really lending credibility.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
To his story here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
And you know, obviously an absolute horror that this child
was in all likelihood murdered and then God even knows
what has happened to his body. So in addition to
that update, we wanted to bring in Jasper Nathaniel, who's
a fantastic journalist. He writes over an infinite Jazz on
Substack and he's been tracking really closely a lot of

(01:03:53):
developments with regard to Israel, Gaza and specifically the West Bank,
which we want to get to in the moment, in
a moment, but for all, just welcome Jasper.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Great to see you here, you man, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, so you have a piece up at drop site
which really fits hand in glove with the story about
AMRR and what's happening at these GHF sites.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
We can put this up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
On the screen where you dig into the way that
this is really an information warfare and pr OP.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
This has really nothing to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Do with aid distribution at all, which, you know, anyone
who watches the show probably already knows that these are
death traps where Palestinians, starving Palestinians are lured in and
then indiscriminately shot on the way in and on the
way out. But what specifically did you discover about the
way that GHF operates.

Speaker 10 (01:04:42):
Yeah, I think that the big picture thing to keep
in mind is that humanitarian work is a technical discipline.
People go to school for a long time to study it. Obviously,
there's a science to famine and famine relief, and people
who run humanitarian organizations have a set of guidelines based

(01:05:04):
on based on this, and you know ethical guidelines as
well that are meant to prioritize the people who need
the aid and the relief. The gaz of Humanitarian Foundation
simply put, does not have any experts in humanitarian aid
as part of it. It is run by basically mercenaries,

(01:05:26):
intelligence operatives x CIA people. And the most generous reading,
I would say, if you know, we assume that it
was not actually meant to be killing hundreds and hundreds
of people every week and starving the entire Gaza stript
the most generous reading would be that it's an intelligence
gathering operation, but it's just simply not there to feed

(01:05:49):
the people.

Speaker 12 (01:05:50):
Because if it was.

Speaker 10 (01:05:51):
If it was, they would have experts in humanitarian relief
working for it, but they just don't.

Speaker 12 (01:05:57):
So that's the sort of high level I would say.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
The furthermore that we want to get with you, Jasper,
just kind of going down this road, is what's going
on in the West Bank. Can we put F three
please up on the screen. This is something that you've
been writing about for now quite some time. Quote, the
annexation of the West Bank is complete with eyes on Gaza.
Israel's quietly annexed the West Bank. We have covered the
vote in the Israeli kanesse about this, but give us

(01:06:23):
some of the concrete stuff that you point to that
shows the actual annexation at a political and law enforcement level.

Speaker 10 (01:06:31):
So the military occupation of the West Bank is it's
an actual legal designation that is aligned with international law
based on the Geneva Convention and Hague and there are
laws that the military occupation nominally has to adhere to,
and the laws effectively say everything that's done as part

(01:06:53):
of the military occupation has to be in the best
interests of the occupied people and nothing can be designed
to you know, put roots in the ground by the occupiers. Now,
I don't want to give off the impression that the
military occupation was, you know, is benevolent or is anything
other than just cruel, and Barbaric said that it did,

(01:07:17):
in a weird way, provide sort of insulation between the
occupied people and the settler movement, which is you know,
ideological and messianic and wants nothing more than to just
take over the territory. So what I mean by that is,
take somebody like Smotrich, the Finance minister. Smotridge grew up

(01:07:39):
in a settlement. He lives in a settlement today. He
was not that long ago. One of the people that
you see running around the Hills in a mask, throwing rocks,
sending fires to Palestinian villages.

Speaker 12 (01:07:48):
And now he is the Finance Minister.

Speaker 10 (01:07:52):
So when he came into power in February at the
end of or in the beginning of twenty twenty three,
a deal with the Defense Secretary Joev Glant, And what
that deal did was he installed himself inside the Defense
Department Smoechricht did, and then he built what is effectively
a shadow government inside the Defense Department, made up entirely

(01:08:15):
of people with his same ideology with settlers, and they
basically re routed every decision that the military occupation made
to this new civilian chain of command.

Speaker 12 (01:08:27):
And in doing that they've been.

Speaker 10 (01:08:29):
Able to get rid of every single potential obstacle or
hurdle on building settlements, on demolishing Palestinian villages. And again
it's not to say that the military was like had
the best interests of the Palestinian people in mind, but
they were on an ideological level, more concerned with keeping
order and brutalizing the people, I would say, as opposed

(01:08:51):
to the settlers, who have just a sort of pure
Messianic vision of claiming Judaea and Samaria on its own
all that said already, well before October seventh, there was
a fundamental change in the way the West Bank is
governed that allowed settlement building to just run wild. And
then October seventh happens in Smotrich. I think it's fair

(01:09:13):
to say immediately recognizes an opportunity to frame everything that
they're doing as security. So he starts conflating the Palestinian
authority with Hamas, he starts really doubling down on this
idea that that settlers have been pushing for a long
time that the West Bank or the settlers in the

(01:09:34):
West Bank are Israel's bulletproof vests who are protecting Israel
proper from you all the supposed barbarians east of the
Green Line. Settlemers love to say, October seventh never could
have happened from here because we would have stopped it.
And so so it goes from just being you know,
they cleared all the bureaucratic hurdles to be able to

(01:09:55):
build settlements. Now they have this idea of security on
their side. Part of that also is actually telling the
police and the idea to stop enforcing laws on settlers,
so settlers are now allowed to build illegal outposts anywhere
they want. They are virtually never arrested when they know

(01:10:16):
do these pigroms and terrorize people. Literally today there is
video of Yinon Levy, the settler who shot a Palaestinni
actives is dead one week ago. He's back in the village,
today's lumakayer today, continuing to build the settlement, continuing to
terrorize the people. I'm not so sure that would have
happened two years ago. And again I can't emphasize enough,

(01:10:40):
like things were not good two years ago, but now
just the all the rules are gone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Let me read a little bit from your piece, because
I think it's extraordinary you say annexation is for all
intents and purposes complete. Since Trump's reelection, reportedly bankrolled in
part by a one hundred million dollar donation for Miriam
Addilson in exchange for backing annexation, Smchurch has grown more confident,
calling twenty twenty five the Year of Sovereignty in Judea

(01:11:07):
and Samaria. He's built a close relationship with US Ambassador
Mike Huckabee, who once said there was no such thing
as a Palestinian, and some Mochurch has declared they are
now raising the flag of building and settling rather than
hiding and apologizing. So when you say annexation is for
all intents and purposes complete, what specifically do you mean
by that?

Speaker 12 (01:11:29):
So the.

Speaker 10 (01:11:31):
Green line that ostensibly separates Israel from the occupied West Bank,
that separation, you know, there's a wall, of course, but
also the separation is that there are laws in Israel
that apply to Israel that legally cannot apply to the
West Bank because it's not part of Israel proper. There

(01:11:52):
have been a series of policy initiatives that have flown
right through the Kanesset that have taken the laws in
Israel and applied them to the West Bank. And so
in doing that, if you take all the laws of
Israel and apply them to the occupied territory, if you
take all the restrictions off of settlers from being able
to build wherever they want, from being able to demolish

(01:12:14):
wherever they want, at a certain point, is what exactly
is not Israel about this place?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:12:22):
Thing?

Speaker 10 (01:12:23):
And so I think that Smotrich he doesn't use the
word annexation.

Speaker 12 (01:12:29):
I've noticed he.

Speaker 10 (01:12:31):
I think that he is aware that he doesn't need to,
you know, say, officially, we've annexed the West Bank to
get everything he wants, which is full control over the
West Bank, and you know, an increasingly effective effort to
basically ethnically cleanse the parts of the land that the
settlers are encroaching on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
And why does this matter in terms of what's happening
in Gaza?

Speaker 10 (01:12:52):
You think, well, I think that it matters on a
you know, on a moral and ethical level of course.
But also so I think it's worth saying that this
idea of a Palestinian state or a two state solution
is really it's built on the notion that there's a
state in the West Bank for the Palestinians.

Speaker 12 (01:13:13):
And I think that.

Speaker 10 (01:13:15):
The idea that that is the sort of practical, thinking
man's solution to the conflict. It's just as Palestinians lose
any you know, sovereignty or power that they have in
the West Bank and Israel takes over more and more
of it, and they are Palestinians are confined into smaller
and smaller bontustans. It is just so obvious that there's

(01:13:37):
no there is no physical state that could be possible
for the Palestinians to have there. So I think it
matters on that sort of legal and diplomatic level, but
it also on a on a rhetorical level. Let's say,
it just completely wipes away the idea that what Israel
is doing in Gaza is about eradicating Hamas, because Hamas

(01:13:57):
is not in the West Bank. You know, there may
be a hand full of operatives, but the West Bank,
to the extent that it has a militant groups, they
are underground, they're not associated with the Palestinian authority or
with the government in any way. Most of the towns
that the settlers are taking over, that soldiers are encroaching
on don't even have armed resistance.

Speaker 12 (01:14:17):
And so so you know.

Speaker 10 (01:14:19):
When they're bombing schools and hospitals and homes in Gaza
and they're saying, oh, there was a Moss operative there,
they don't have that same excuse in the West Bank.
And it just it brings into stark clarity. This is
about ethnic cleansing. There's simply no other justification for what
they're doing there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah, I mean, and quite the opposite. The PA have
been are basically collaborators. So you know, they're supposed to
be the moderates, and they have basically done whatever the
Israelis want them to do, and even that then they
get conflated as a mus so the idea, you know,
that's all often offered of like, well if the palatine
has just laid down their arms and try to negotiate.
I mean, I think that is fundamentally disproven, also by

(01:14:57):
what is unfolding right now in the West Bank. I'd
love your reflections on that, But also I wanted to
get your reaction to we covered earlier in the show.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
And I don't know if you've seen this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Yeah, US Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, who was
in Israel, became the highest ranking US official I believe
ever to visit one of these illegal settlements. What do
you see as the significance of that.

Speaker 12 (01:15:17):
Yeah, I saw that just before I came on.

Speaker 10 (01:15:19):
He's at the Ril Settlement, which is in the north
what the settlers called Samaria.

Speaker 12 (01:15:25):
Well, he.

Speaker 10 (01:15:27):
The significance is that, you know, the the Trump government,
as they did in the first term too, are just
fully on board with annexing the West Bank. I mean
you you know, you said in the Expert that you
read that there was one hundred million dollar donation that
allegedly was in support of annexation. Mike Johnson said something

(01:15:49):
in his speech literally you know, minutes or hours ago
that I read where he said Judea and Samaria is
legally belongs to Israel, and I just want to say
that act it doesn't.

Speaker 12 (01:16:05):
Literally, it doesn't.

Speaker 10 (01:16:06):
There is no law in the world that would suggest,
you know, what they call Judea and Samaria, which is
the land of the West Bank belongs to Israel. I mean,
quite literally, it belongs to the Palestinians and Israel is
just occupying it. So you know that they have just
like taken the mask off that they even care about
as rules based order, and you know, they're just fully

(01:16:29):
supportive of annexing the West Bank. I think, you know,
for somebody like Mike Johnson or Mike Kuckibe, these are
evangelical Zionists who have, you know, their own Messianic vision
and prophecy for why they need all the Jews to
return to Israel. It has nothing to do with actually
caring about Jewish people. Certainly they don't care about Palestinian people,
so it's just totally cynical. But frankly, the settlers will

(01:16:50):
take any allies they can get, you know, especially those
who are high up in the in the US government.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
Yeah, one last question for you, Jasper.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
There's a bit of a liberal fantasy or that of
if we just got this bad net Yahoo government out
of here, then you know, things could return to quote
unquote normal, whatever that was in Israel. And with regard
to the Israeli American relationship, you know, what are your
reflections on that.

Speaker 10 (01:17:14):
Well, just just again focusing on the West Bank, because
I think it's it's a good example of where the
October seventh can't be used as an excuse. I just
wrote a piece of my sub stack yesterday called the
violence settlers are just doing their job.

Speaker 12 (01:17:27):
And what I mean by that is.

Speaker 10 (01:17:29):
Every single part of Israel's institutions, from the federal government,
to the courts, to the sort of you know, various
political entities, to the just general support or apathy from
the population, is supporting the settlers in what they're doing,
in their ethnic lensing, in their violence, in their killing.

(01:17:50):
And so you know it, if you want to say
that it is just Ned and Yahoo, then you would
have to also acknowledge well, then Ned Nyah, whose ideology
has completely swept through every single institution that matters in Israel.
But of course it's not just nan Ya who I mean,
this is you know, much more deeply ingrained in people

(01:18:12):
who just you know, have utterly dehumanized Palestine Palestinians, and
it just it's it's alarming that anybody would even suggest
that the settlement movement is fringe anymore, because this movement
is actually central to its central to the Zionis project.
And the proof is in the pudding. I mean, it's

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not very hard to see how that movement, that violent movement,
has support across the board.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, I totally agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:18:40):
Jazzer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Tell people where they can where they can find your
work and where they can support you.

Speaker 12 (01:18:45):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:18:46):
My substack is just infinite jazz, just one z ja
zuh and then.

Speaker 12 (01:18:52):
I see you smiling, I can get their efforts.

Speaker 10 (01:18:56):
My Twitter is also infinite jazz with two underscorers, and
I think on Instagram you finished azz one underscore. Also
you can just search Jasmerna Daniel. You should be able
to find my work.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
But yeah, we'll put the links in the description as
well for people.

Speaker 10 (01:19:08):
Okay, great, thank you so much for bringing attention to
the West Bank, because it's just it's criminally undercovered in
the mainstream media, and it's so important to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
What's happening there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Yeah, I think it really does create the full picture,
even on these questions of genocide, when you see you know, oh,
it's not just what's going on in the Goza ship
where you've got the but Hamas excuse. This isn't across
the board policy. So thank you for helping us to
connect those dots.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Jasper.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Great to see you man, Yeah, thanks for having me,
take care. Thank you guys so much for watching. We
appreciate you. Ryan and I will be on tomorrow. See
you then,