Krystal and Saagar discuss GHF whistleblower exposes Gaza starvation, Trump mysterious answer on UFOs, Krystal ends Cory Booker, US labor leader kidnapped by Israel.
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part here with Anthony Aguilar.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So GJF whistleblower former Greenbray Anthony Aguilar, who we had
on this show, just recorded another interview with Tucker Carlson.
It was in person, It was longer than the first
portion that he put out. I really recommend you go
and listen to it. He reveals a lot of stunning things.
He also just has so much experience in the field.
The way he can describe the issues that he saw
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there to me was quite striking. But one of the
pieces that I think need to be explored more is
what GHF is. Who is this leader, quote unquote Reverend
Johnny Moore, evangelical leader and entrepreneur, who's at the head
of it? Where has the funding been coming from? There
are just so many basic questions around GHF and what
(01:18):
it even is that I think it requires a lot
more digging in.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
He gets into some of that with Tucker. Let's go
ahead and take a listen.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
God's a humanitarian foundation. With Johnny Moore, who you know,
if he wants to say that that I am a liar,
I think that that's that you're a liar. He has
said that I'm a liar, and that's that's unfortunate because
I served in the army for twenty five years, answered
the call not just once, twice, three, four times, but
twelve to fight in battle for the ideals of this nation.
(01:45):
So for him to call me a liar, I think
that all veterans and all Americans should take pause and
think about who's calling me a liar? Someone that has
spent his entire life self serving with PR firms and
selling Bibles and whatever else it is he does on
the side. So what's interesting is that this entire time
(02:06):
that this operation has been going on now for operating
since the twenty sixth of May till now, so breaking
seventy days, he's only been there one time.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
For a photo op.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I find it appalling.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
He doesn't work out of Gaza.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I should say we put in three interview requests for
Johnny Moore.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
He's not even an Israel.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
So how is he running the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
From his flat in Virginia. I guess what it feels
like to me is that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is
a side project resume item for mister Johnny Moore. It's
not something that he's dedicated to, and it's not something
that he has the expertise and the acumen to understand
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how to run.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Does he have any background in distributing humanitarian relief that
you know of.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
No, it's so many things that the experts within the
United Nations that are educated, that spend their lives to
become experts in are very very very good at doing.
So to think that we can just take that on
and do it is it's a very arrogant way of
(03:25):
looking at.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And one of the things that he said in that
interview to Soccer is that in all the members that
and all the meetings he had with members of Congress,
they asked the same thing. So now there's been thirty
million dollars in the State Department that has gone in.
That's all we know of the funding. Johnny Moore, who
is the leader, this evangelical Christian leader of GHF who
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took over after the original head Jake Wood, resigned before
the thing was even operational, basically was like, I'm not
going to be associated with this. So Johnny Moore got
asked about the funding, refused to reveal what the sources
were and said that to the best of his knowledge,
it was not being funded directly by the Israeli.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Government, which they've now acknowledged is not even true.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But yes, yeah, and so and Tony. What he tested
to attested to as well is that functionally on the ground,
they consider the IDF the client. They do whatever the
IDF wants them to do, down to here's how many trucks,
here's what time you're opening the distribution center. And then
when he was asking about, hey, what are the you know,
what are the operating for, Like how do we operate
(04:29):
in this arena. They will just do what the IDF
is doing, and he was told directly they are the client.
So you have American mercenaries with zero legal protection coming
in on a tourist visa, being handed at fully automatic weapons.
Which another extraordinary part here is he talks about how
nobody they never qualify on these weapons. They're handed these
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guns that they've never used before and just like, yeah,
just do what the IDF is doing out there.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, it is apps.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So that part increasingly, I remember it struck me in
our interview. I was like, what you're on a tourist
What did he say? He was like a j one
visa and then he's like, next thing, I know, him
in an up armored Humvey with a fully automatic weapon,
with a uniform. One of the things actually we talked
about a little bit with Tony afterwards is that he
was in his uniform. They had American flag patches that
were put on them. He's not an American soldier. It's like,
(05:18):
what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wanted them intentionally to look like and it was the
Israeli So you insisted on the American flag on the
fake military.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So they're flagging them.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean, they're basically trying to dress them up in
all of the uniform of the US military. And then
he talked previously about the IDF being the client. You know,
that was one of the revelations that came out of that.
I think this is a very important interview for people
to just understand how absolutely insane it is, and especially
as we continue to talk about Israel occupying Gaza. Trump
gave the green light yesterday's Israel can do whatever it
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wants to do. It'll be up to them. It's like, well,
this is what it looks like when it's up to them. Yeah,
this is what it all looks like.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, and not to mention, go ahead and put C
four up on the screen. So Bezalel Smotrich Sho was
one of the most extreme members of an extraordinarily extreme
government in Israel. Previously was completely opposed to any aid
going into the Gaza strip. He was opposed the Gaza
humanitarian opposed to any and all AID going in, and
was so outraged by it that he was extracting concessions
(06:15):
from net Yaho. After he was put under pressure to
allow a little more AID in. He was, you know,
extracting concessions from net Naho to you know, allow that
plan to go forward. He's now done one and says, well, actually,
I now understand that the quote unquote Gkaza Humanitarian Foundation,
this isn't about feeding the population, he says, quote, it's
not money for humanitarian aid.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's money for winning the war.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Had we controlled the humanitarian aid to Gaza, we would
have won the war a while ago. This fits directly
with what Aguilar has been attesting to, which is that
this is not an aid operation. This is a shaping operation,
and these are designed intentionally as death traps to lure
people in, to control them, to force them into you know,
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dangerous situations. I mean, of course we know about the
outright massacres that are occurring on a your daily basis
in the contract in the context of the so called
distribution of aid. But this is all about pulling and
pushing the population and controlling them. That's what this is,
and that's what Smotrich is just saying now out in
the open. Oh you know, actually, now I get it.
(07:22):
This isn't money for humanitarian assistance. This is money to.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Win the war.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So that's what they're saying, which again wholly and completely
backs up what Anthony Aguilar saw when he was on
the ground. He also made a really interesting comment about
what he thinks is likely to happen. And again remember
former Green Beret served twelve different tours of duty, nine
combat tours, like has seen everything you can see in
(07:48):
I don't know how many countries around the world, and
he says they need to think about Okay, there's a
difference between when you're in an offensive military position verse
is when you are in a permanent occupation, and what
you're likely to see once you shift to permanent occupation
is actually much more violence, much more of the gorilla warfare,
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and that that's exactly what happened in Iraq that he
experienced directly. Let's go ahead and take a listen to
C two. Let's go ahead and take a listen to
what he had to.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Say about that.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
In the coming days and weeks, as this operation, as
Operation Gideon's Chariots, has ended and the Israeli Army has
to refit into this restructuring for occupation, which is a
whole new ballgame occupational Army, US Army, World War two,
US Army post invasion of Iraq, That's when things get
(08:40):
really nasty. That's when things get really gray. We think
that things are complicated and complex. Now wait until you
put an occupation army into the streets of Gaza City.
So right now, if I were Hamas while the active
war is going on the offensive, I'm leyan lowe Heid
want to come out and get killed. When the occupation begins,
(09:02):
that's when the insurgency presents itself in armed violence.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Yeah, that's when you have a permanent basis.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's going to get violent, and it's going to get deadly,
and as the well, more deadly. And if the United
States doesn't set a firm tone of what's acceptable and
what's not, no longer can we have this idf do
what you will and we'll just kind of we'll play
back up. No, we cannot. The President of the United
(09:31):
States needs to set clear, firm expectations and boundaries with
our ally because this occupation two things will happen. One,
it's going to become extremely violent, grotesquely violent. Markava Tank's
being blown up on the Sala Dean Road going into Gaza.
The Israelis won't like it. But then also when forces
(09:55):
begin to go into Gaza City and people other people
start to see the amount of starvation and destitute and destruction.
It's going to bring the world to its knees. And
it's not going to be a year from now, it's
not going to be months from now, days from now.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's going to bring the world to its knees, is
what he says. And you know the point he makes
there about the occupying force and the level of violence
that's likely to spike, it's incredibly obvious.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It just had It wasn't something that I.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Had really thought through as a civilian, but of course
that would follow the pattern of past invasions that we've
seen unfold.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, it is true.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Well, I mean, part of the reason why I'm not
so sure is that the Israelis have never behaved this
way in so far in their conduct of Gaza. They
just have determined that starvation and mass bombing is easier.
So when they say occupation, is it going to be
the type of occupation that a normal Western army would pursue,
or would it just be complete mass expulsion of from
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whatever area they're so called occupying.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I think that's part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And my baseline assumption is that, considering the way they've
conducted themselves, now over the last two years, that's probably
the way they would go, just to minimize their own casualties.
But it would of course be the most barbaric and
the horrific. But I think Tony's point, broadly about what
people will see as that happens, is already materializing with
the pictures of the AID drops. With the pictures, I mean,
(11:25):
what else like the pictures of the AID drops, with
even some of the photos of the AID distribution and
others that's coming out, it's already stomach turning. I mean,
it's already to the point where, you know, I have
never seen anything like the collapse of support around the
issue just in the last two weeks. Yeah, it's extraordinary, shocking,
and that's just from the images that are coming out
(11:46):
and because of people like Tony.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, it's just a question of like, the public is repulsed,
the world is horrified.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
But is anyone going to do anything?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And that's the question, and that's where I'm not hopeful.
I mean, Trump has said Israel. Trump has apparently given
the green light for the complete occupation, invasion, expulsion plan.
He's been giving it publicly for however long he's been
in office. At this point talking about, you know, the
Gaza Lago plan, and at first weep like, oh, you
can't take him seriously, Like, clearly you should take him seriously.
(12:19):
And that is exactly what's being effectuated now today in
the Israeli security Cabinet. They are voting on the complete
annihilation plan on the Okay, we're going to just occupy
the whole thing that's happening today. So again when people
try to play plausible deniability, Oh no.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
They're really trying to feed them.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They're just you know, they've just in over their heads
and they don't know what they're doing. No, they have
a plan, they are effectuating that plan, and they are
doing it quite expediently. They are accomplishing exactly the goals
that they want to accomplish, and it is not an
accident whatsoever. Ceteo also had a scoop regarding some of
(12:59):
the leaders involved in this whole Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and
contractor ecosystem. We could put the C three up on
the screen and this was candidly. This was something that
Tony had mentioned to us off camera when we were
in studio, and Zatao was able to chase down the
details here so they say, contractor leading security for Gaza
AID sites is part of the Infidel's biker group that
(13:21):
seeks to fight Islamic extremism. And basically this is like
an Islamophobic motorcycle club, and this guy's involved with it,
and now he's the lead of one of the contractors
that is under the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. Tony also pointed
out that this dude had been temporarily debarred from contracting
with the US military at all, according to military documents.
(13:43):
He was de barred in June of twenty two thousand
and five after he received non judicial punishment pursuant to
USCMGA Article fifteen for conspiracy to commit bribery, larsening, and
making false official statements.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Just to give you a sense of some.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Of the characters who are involved with this supposed aid distribution,
let's go ahead and put C five up on the screen.
This speaks to what I was just talking about about
what they're voting on in the Israeli security cabinet today.
And dropsite pulled this and you've got the translation on
the screen here, But I'll just read you a little
bit of what this Israeli reporter is saying so this
(14:22):
is a Siegel. On Channel twelve, he reports Israel's preparing
to occupy Gaza City in a phased operation, beginning with
a mass evacuation of its residents curly currently estimated at
roughly a million people. Plan will be presented to Israel's
security cabinet today. He says they're going to issue an
advanced evacuation notice delay combat for several weeks to allow
construction of camps and field hospitals in central Gaza. Gaza
(14:46):
City is described as the symbol of the strip its captures,
the first step in what Segul calls a good few
weeks of operations. Months Trump is expected to give a
speech in parallel announcing an increase in GHF aid centers.
As for these really captive Segel claims most are no
longer in Gaza City and that Hamas has previously moved
captives when IDF forces approached. That attempt to assuage the
(15:08):
logical conclusion that oh, probably a lot of captives are
going to end up dead here. Plan stop short of
a full Gaza reoccupation for now, but is intended to
bring Hamas to surrender after the fall of Gaza City
so that's what we can expect to unfold tier shortly.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, it's really I mean, it's just it's one of
those where we just we don't fully know yet what's
going to happen, but I just think it's going to
be completely insane because Trump continues to give the blank check.
And I mean, in some ways, like have the way
that it was currently being sold at Gaza Lago and
all that, it would be horrific.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But the current policy.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Is to basically just give Israel a blank check and
total freedom of action, and that actually could lead to
the worst outcome where obviously we'd have no journalists who
are inside of the country, no scrutiny for looking at it,
a total blank check from America. So it would be
all the devastation and no even like small d democrat
check from our own government over what's going on.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, and just to be clear, there are I mean,
there are plenty of Palestinian journalists on the ground. It's
just they're routinely disbelieved and so you know, unfortunately and
also routinely murdered. I mean, we've had hundreds, hundreds of
Palestinian journalists targeted and murdered with scarcely a word from
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their colleagues in the Western press.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Except yeah, so treye Aanngst and a few people at
the Committee of Professional Journalists.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
That's about it. That's about it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh and by the way, Fox News just put out
this whole GHF propaganda piece. Guess who wasn't the reporter
on this? Yeah, I know was not Trey Yanks. Very
noteworthy there. Yeah, of course I think they had Bill
hemmer Go and like Tody Israeli propaganda line with regard
to what's going on there. But in any case, unfortunately,
because the Palestinian journalists are just so routinely invisibilized, slaughtered
(16:53):
and you know, disbelieved, I do think it will matter
if Western journalists were actually allowed in.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And the fact that we've gotten these.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Few aerial photos, aerial videos, the fact that you have
this former Green Beret coming forward in shock and horror
at what he's seeing on the ground there, I do
think that it is starting to you know, break through
in terms of the public consciousness. But it's also like,
you know, here we are with them voting on the
complete anihilation, complete ethnic cleansing, like final solution plan, and
(17:23):
you know, Trump certainly doesn't seem he embraces it. You know,
they're not at odds. He embraces it. He supports it.
He has told babe that he can do whatever he
needs to do. So that's where we are.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yep, it's not good tomorrow. Yeah, as you said, we'll cover.
So there's some great Bill Ackman posting where Ryan got
him to back down, which is pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Ryan's so good, Ryan is. We can agree certainly on that.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
All right, So we don't have a lot but thanks
to Miranda Devine over at the New York Post recently
sat with Donald Trump and with Tulci Gas and to
her credit, actually followed up on the New Jersey drone
situation and got some very mysterious answers from the two
of them.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Let's start with Trump's.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I wanted to ask you about drones. You know, we
had the issue in New Jersey before the election where
there are all these people thought UFOs or an attack
of the killer drones, and I believe you're doing something
about Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Well, I know who. I can't tell you who it
was and what it was, but I can't really tell you.
I'd love to tell you actually, but it's not a
it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It's not something frightening.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
No, but I just you know, so obviously it's something
that I know about, and it's not a problem at all.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
It was legal.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Oh yeah, that was legal.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So as you can see, overwhelmed by the transparency of
this administration.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, the UFO people are mad because, you know, here's
the thing that I've realized what the Trump people did,
because this fits with Epstein. They winked at large parts
of the Internet, and they made people very excited. Yeah,
and then they came in and it's the same old
crap right. So here he says, I can't tell you
what it was. I'd love to tell you. Actually, but
it's not a big deal. It's not a problem at all. Okay,
(19:09):
I mean, you can't take a whole lot of that
to the bank. But I actually thought that Tulsa Gabber's
comments were the most interesting. Obviously, she's the director of
National Intelligence. Here's what she had to say.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Strange objects of a New Jersey were drones.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I still have a lot of questions around.
Speaker 10 (19:25):
Yeah, you know, I've heard, I've heard what the public
official line is. I just personally still have a lot
of questions that are unanswered. Yeah, because it wasn't just
New Jersey. It was happening in different parts of the country.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Oh really, Yeah, happened in different parts of the country.
Wasn't just New Jersey. I mean, you'll remember we covered
it here. Remember we had rich me by the way,
for the skeptical, as I know you are. Remember what
Rich McHugh had to say here about how the state cops,
local police were all freaked out, the orbs.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
The drones, whatever they were.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Then eventually came out from Trump and what did he say.
He was like, oh, well, we knew what they were
all along.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
We couldn't just tell you. I don't believe that for
a second.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
There was also what was it an Iranian mothership was
off the coast at one point, which was floated by
a Republican congressman. Yes, the Iranian military, which you know,
really proved itself during the Twelve Day War.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
If you put that all together, we still have no idea.
I mean, listen, everyone, everyone I know is.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Going to the Black Project theory, you know, the secret
government and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It is theoretically possible.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I remained deeply skeptical just because again of the way
that we saw that movement, of the way that the
federal government also initially reacted. It was incredibly sketchy. There
was no like FAA guidance or anything that had been issued.
Also just in the way that the drone, whatever the objects,
the way that they operated whenever they were approached, you know,
(20:53):
by the state and local aircraft and by law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It remains one of.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The craziest episodes I think, you know, in more recent
like UFO memory and of course you know, it just
gets totally put under the rug.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, and to your point about winking at the internet,
you know with Epstein, specifically with Trump, it was more
of a wink because he always was like, oh, I
don't know, crivacy and maybe not UFOs.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
He was explicit, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I've pulled up the quote from twenty twenty four Lex
Treatman podcast. He promised if elected, he would push the
Pentagon to release more UFOs footage. He stated, oh, yeah, sure,
I'll do that.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I would do that. I'd love to do that. I
have to do that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So this isn't one where he was kind of people
around him were more ippushi it. No, he whenever he
got to asked this question, he was very direct. And
so here we are in August of twenty twenty five
and August seventh of twenty twenty five, and now it's well,
I can't tell you, but trust me, there's nothing to
worry about here.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I mean one of RFK Junior's advice. Do you remember
Bob Malone. He was on the RFK podcast or sorry,
on the Joe Rogan podcast. He's the guy died in
the mass psychost that the inventor of m R N
A whatever. All right, So he's he's a I believe
he was appointed to a position by RFK Junior. So
he recently said on a podcast that RFK Junior had
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quote received a classified briefing on UFO's UAPs and whether
they could be interdimensional beings or time travelers. Malone said
that a federal investigator told him quote alien encounters are
ramping up and confirms that they are real. You listen,
you can you know, I don't know whether that's true
or not. RFK Junior has come out, he has himself.
You know, we could take a look at his credibility,
(22:33):
but he's definitely somebody who was in the room on
the issue, and if I put it together with the
public comments, it still remains one of total mystery, just
in the way that it has. They ran on the issue,
they said they would release it. There has not been
one thing that has been released yet. We got the
MLK files before we got the UFO and the upside.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So we're all aware.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
And there is still you know, quite a lot of
movement at the whistleblower and other level inside of Congress.
There has been multiple pieces now of legislation. We're just
supposed to compel the Pentagon. By the way, I've been
checking up on this, so I haven't heard yet whether
Pete Hagsat or anyone on their team is doing really
much on the UFO issue.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And you have to dig deep on this stuff, as
we're all showing, you know, with the Epstein files, it
took hundreds of FBI agents weeks if not months to
compile all this stuff from everywhere, and then apparently they
were finding things in different areas.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
That's what they're claiming.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
About Russia Gate too, and that's you know, surface level
political scandal. So just imagine on this particular issue. But anyway,
I mean I think it's an issue for transparency. The
Vice President recently was on a podcast talking about it
as well.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
There are stories that I am particularly focused on, in
part just because you talk with your buddies about it. Like,
I'm obsessed with the whole UFO thing. What's actually going on?
What were those videos all about? What's actually happening. I
haven't gotten to the bottom of yet, but what only
six months is it's.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
Been very busy.
Speaker 11 (23:56):
Actually, the August recess is in part me going to
try to dive to the bottom of the whole UFO
tho oh yeah, past year.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
So I mean you got to have us back, Okay,
I'll I'll let you know.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So will we ever hear about it again? I'm still
you know, it remain a bit skeptical. One of the
reasons why. And I've talked about this before. John Podesta,
who was the White House Chief of Staff under Bill Clinton,
huge UFO guy. He actually tried to figure out. He
writes about it in his book. Basically at every turn
they were like, don't worry about it. And Bill Clinton,
he even said it himself. Bill Clinton was like.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I'm embarrassed. I tried to find out and they basically
didn't tell me what was going on.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, learning this well, I don't do it very often.
It's you know, we're not on the nineties. Imagine if
we were broadcasting on the Lewinsky He's like.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh, Embers, I couldn't find what was going on. But
that's what he said. Obama remember in his interview on
and he was like.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, I can't tell you, you know, in terms of what
he had to say about the issue. And now we
have Trump and basically every successive person, even the vice president,
top level political appointees. You genuinely do need like a
strike team of people. Plus you need more people in
the government to come forward.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I like Tulsa's my favorite. She's literally the director of
National Inteligence and she's like, I still have.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
A lot of questions. I hate when we do that.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
See it pisses me out too, because now you have
a comment. This is so common, not just the Trump administration,
with all sorts of politicians who oh gosh, I wish
someone in power would do something. This is your freaking job,
Like what are you talking about? You still have good
then go ask the questions, Go get the answers, that's
the whole reason you were supposed to be put in there,
And yet there she is just playing helpless like she
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has no power, no ability to do anything, which maybe
she doesn't.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I don't know, but if she doesn't, then she should
admit that too.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I was going to say, though she remembers she said
that about the Epstein thing as well, whenever. I think
it was Charlie spearing shout out who asked her. He's like,
do you have any information that Epstein is an intelligence asset?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And she's like, well, I haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Anything like that. It's like, well, have you looked for it?
You know, have anybody asked that?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, I don't know anything. It's like I haven't looked
looked for.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It and look for right.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's like, well, yeah, you're not going to know unless
you try to look for it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And yeah, anyway, I mean, if you.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Just look at the history and the way that they're
all talking about the issue, they're winking, they're nodding, and
I don't know whether it's to drive up Actually I
don't think so, because they are not volunteering the information.
It's Miranda Devine who pressed on two of them, both
of them basically gave cover up. Like answers, JD has
always had kind of an interest in the UFO issue.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But also we have to be honest.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
It's like the Vice President doesn't have the power, Like
you need a full on commitment from the DNI, from
the you know, from the sec def.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You know, who knows what Pete Heggstath has going.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
On in his building right now? Would his generals even
tell him the truth? I do not have any confidence
basically in the way that he is running his building
right now.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, he's got way problems in terms of how he's
operating inside. So anyway, I think that's that's really all we,
unfortunately have. I would ask, you know, people in the
White House and others if you do have public.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Pressure or you know, future hearings things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I know that there's some rumbling about that, but almost
all of them really been stopped in their tracks. And
there are well meaning people in Congress who have been
trying on the issue, but an individual member of Congress,
as we've shown repeatedly, they have no little.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Power yet very little you know.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know what I think they should do soccer if
they really want to put this to bed what. I
think they should issue a two page memo says there's
nothing to see here.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
They've done it close. They already put on.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
A video and that they claim is raw.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Footage but is actually highly edited and missing key portions
of the video and lie about that as well.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I think that will really tamp down part.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What you're describing is literally what they have done on
the UFO issue. They did that before with the Pentagon.
Remember the headline. They do it every time, no evidence
of aliens. It's like, well, there's no evidence, is not
there's no evidence of what the fuck it is? All right,
It's just like, so you can't tell us what it is.
And they're like, well, there's fourteen incidents or whatever, which
we can't explain in any way whatsoever. But there's no
evidence that it's aliens. And it's like, well, what is
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the evidence of what it is? Finally, God, what is
the name of the James Fox documentary? I always want
people to watch this one? Is it Moment of contact?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Is? I think that's what it's called.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Moment of contact?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
If I dare you to watch that and not believe
in UFOs.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I dare you.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's the one about Brazil.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right, Yeah, the Bristlle Barginia. I'm serious.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You have if you cannot watch it and tell me
the UFOs are not really you can't.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You can't, all right?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And then he's got multiple follow ups, the phenomenon, so
many others. All of James's films are absolutely incredible. So
that's my last blog. Go ahead and watch it for
yourself and you make up your mind.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Crystel, what are you taking a look at?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I haven't said that on a lone well.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
In a Senate that is full of amoral, psychopathic monsters,
it can be difficult to choose among the various odious
figures who should truly reach the s tier of villainy.
You've got your proudly genocidal types like John Fetterman, You've
got your islamophobic pro crypto cellounce like Kirsten Gillibrand. But
in terms of the Democratic Caucus, at least in my
humble opinion, Corey Booker is the worst.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
He is just the fucking worst.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Booker combines theatrical, vacuous preening with corporate slavishness with moral
horrors for a total package that is thoroughly and completely repugnant. Please,
for the love of God, someone decent primary this man.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
So the problem is with Corey Booker. Of course, they're
nothing new.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Actually attended a wedding that he officiated once, and I
swear to God, the first maybe twenty minutes of the
ceremony he spent describing his own personal faith journey. Leave
it to Corey Booker to make a wedding about himself
instead of I don't know, maybe the bride and groom.
I'm also old enough to remember when Booker went on
Meet the Press as a top Obama surrogate to decry
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that campaign's attacks on Mitt Romney's Bane Capital private equity record.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
This was really something.
Speaker 12 (29:42):
As far as that stuff, I have to just say
from a very personal level, I'm not about to sit
here and indict private equity. It's to me, it's just
as we're getting to a ridiculous point in America, especially
that I know I live in a state where pension funds,
unions and other people are investing in companies like Baying Capital.
If you look at the totality of Bane Capital's record,
they've done a lot to s support businesses, to grow businesses,
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and this to me I'm very uncomfortable. This kind of
stuff is nauseating to me on both sides. It's nauseating
to the American public. Enough is enough. Stop attacking private equity,
Stop attacking Jeremiah Wright. This stuff has got to stop
because what it does is it undermines to me what
this country should be focused on. It's a distraction from
the real issues. It's either going to be a small
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campaign about this crap, or it's going to be a
big campaign, in my opinion, about the issues that American
public cares about.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Nauseating.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, The Obama campaign and Democratic base backlash against Corey
Booker was swift after those comments. I remember a sweaty,
nervous Rachel Meadow interview he did in the aftermath of
those comments to try to clean it up, but he
never really fully recanted. It was a very revealing episode
because it broadcasts that he was willing to take the
heat even against Obama, the most beloved figure in the
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Democratic Party, in order to defend the honor of capital.
His mentality is donor first through and through, but wrapped
in a shot eveneer of supposed progressivism. Booker's not stupid,
though unlike some of his duller compatriots who thought that
there was political advantage to be gained from playing foot
seat with Magga, like let's say Gavin Newsom having Charlie
Kirkinsky Bannon on his podcast, or all of the Doge
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Caucus people. Booker recognized pretty quickly in Trump two point
zero that the Democratic base was desperate for figures who
would stand up and fight the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
So what a Corey Booker do?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, He's strapped on an adult diaper and took to
the floor of the Senate for an epic filibuster, boldly
speaking truth to power for hour after hour after hour,
excoriating the Trump administration, promising to fight their power grab
at every turn, eventually breaking the record for the longest
ever floor speech.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Maybe we thought this man has turned a page.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Maybe he's decided to rise the historical moment to put
grassroots democracy over donor driven capitulation. But even in this
speech marathon, the red flags were pretty clear. First of all,
it wasn't actually a filibuster, as it wasn't blocking any
actual action. Second, he used some of his time to
embrace Abundance, the big money back neoliberal rebrand dedicated to
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putting a glossy machine on status quo politics. Finally, he
swiftly moved from declaring all out war on the Trump
administration to voting to confirm justice involved person and Trump
family relative Charles Kushner as ambassador to France, demonstrating just
how committed Booker really is to actually fighting Trump administration
nepotism and thuggery. The Kushner vote was particularly egregious given
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that he was convicted of some pretty wild crimes in
Booker's own home state of New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You guys can go and look that one up.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
In fact, only a handful of Senate Democrats have supported
more Trump nominees than Corey Booker has. The man who
theatrically pledged to fight the Trump administration relentlessly, Booker is
apparently all resistance in the streets but capitulation in the sheets.
The dude is also utterly shameless too. When the Newark
mayor and New Jersey congressional members were arrested attempting to
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examine an ice attention facility, Booker, of course nowhere to
be found, and when other members were flying to a
Salvador to demand the release of innocence from a slave
labor camp. Booker was reported to be planning a trip,
but seemingly quashed it when Hakeem Jeffreys told Democrats that
they needed to back off the case. So while substantive
action has ranged from non existent to outright complicit, theatrics
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have certainly continued. Most recently, Booker got into an intentionally
noisy spat with Senator Amy Klobashar. Apparently Booker was looking
to grandstand over some provisional policing bill. Clobashar was pissed
off and disgusted with this little performance because he actually
couldn't be bothered to show up for the committee vote
when said provision was actually being discussed and voted on.
So here is the snippet of Booker's outburst.
Speaker 12 (33:39):
I was just called out by name, and I want
to respond.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I don't need.
Speaker 12 (33:43):
Somebody implying in any way that this is not vital
to me and my state, that we have resources for
our police officers. But what I am tired of is
when the President of the United States of America violates
the constitution, trash norms and traditions, and what does a
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Democratic party do comply allow him beg for scraps no,
I demand justice. It's time for Democrats have a backbone.
It's time for us to fight, It's time for us.
Speaker 9 (34:19):
To draw lines.
Speaker 12 (34:20):
And when it comes to the safety of my state
being denied these grants, That's why I'm standing here. Don't
question my integrity, don't question my motives. I'm standing for Jersey.
I am standing for my police officers. I'm standing for
the Constitution, and I'm standing for what's right.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Standing for what's right. You say, well, it will surprise
no one to learn that shortly after this tortive force
of moral preening, I believe, in front of an empty chamber,
by the way, Booker would once again vote to ship
offensive weapons to Israel so they can continue their campaign
of terror against starving Palestinian children. What clarity, what courage,
what incredible moral leadership, And truly it is with israe
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genocide in Gaza where Booker has reached his final, most
despicable form. It will not surprise you to learn that
he is a top recipient of Israel lobby funds, and
he votes and acts accordingly. In seemingly every instance. He's
been enthusiastic in efforts to criminalize criticism and boycotts of Israel.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
He goes that extra.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Mile by attending APAC policy conferences. He even gushed in
leaked audio about how he texts back and forth with
APA's president like there are a couple of teenagers par
for the course. I guess for someone with an apparent
multi decade close friendship with the utterly reprehensible Rabbi Schmooley.
Here they are together or sing around at a poor
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un party at Oxford in nineteen ninety three. By all accounts,
the two were extremely close friends for decades, falling out
according to Booker over Schmooley being so self promoting that
even Corey Booker couldn't quite take it. I guess the
man does have some limits, apparently, but Booker's ironclad commitment
to Israel has outlasted his Schmooley romance. In fact, perhaps
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nothing so accurately Encapsuley. It's the futrid essence of Corey Booker,
as this photo with wanted war criminal Benjamin Netnahoo back
when he was in town just a.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Few weeks ago. Corey has the intellect to.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Know a photo op with baby probably a bad look
while babies are literally being starved, So he hides his face,
but he lacks the integrity to actually buck his donors.
So there Corey is in the photo, lamely trying to
hide behind someone. Now he claims the photographer positioned him
this way. Okay, Now it goes without saying. You'd be
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hard pressed to identify a more monstrous and destructive figure
in the entire world than net Yahoo.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
And yet here is self.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Anointed moral warrior, Corey Booker meeting with modern day Hitler
so he can hear the latest Hospara talking points about
how children with pre existing conditions don't really count as starving,
or how American Jews voting for Zoran are actually Hamas.
Speaking of Zoran, Guess who refuses to get behind the
Democratic nominee for New York City in spite of a
resounding twelve point five victory. You guessed it, mister courageus
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himself Corey Booker.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Mom, Donnie, are you going to support him?
Speaker 13 (37:06):
I have learned a long time ago. Let New York
politics be New York politics. We got enough challenges in Jersey.
I got a governor's race. I'm supporting mikey Cheryl, I
got legislative races. That's where my energy's going to go
going into November. New York City. I love you, You're
my neighbor. You're about ten miles from where I live.
You guys figure out your elections. I'm going to focus
on mine.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Would you be surprised if I informed you that his
don't endorse in New York rule is not some consistent
Booker anti medaling policy. In fact, for years, Corey Booker
ran a pack that endorsed Democrats in races across the country,
and he currently sits on the board of the Pack
Democrats for Education Reform, a group founded by billionaire and
former mayoral candidate Whitney Tilson and which endorses candidates who
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are against teachers' unions and generally in favor of charter schools.
He's got no problem endorsing candidates in New York or
in any other state, by the way, he just doesn't
want to support this particular candidate's delight at texting like
a teenager with Apak and his close association with billionaire
design as Whitney Tilson, who made his whole mayoral campaign
about Israel. I think we all know why the supposed
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progressive just can't bring himself to support the progressive Democratic
nominee for mayor. To top off all the self congratulation
and cash grab and really wrap it all in a bow.
Booker has decided to turn his twenty five hour speech
into a book called Stand. On the publisher's website, they
describe Stand as quote a celebration of the Americans who
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chose to get up in the face of injustice, who
championed the uniquely American values central to making our nation
a more perfect union despite seemingly insurmountable obstacles. It's also,
they say, a guide for today. Leadership is not derived
from position or title. It comes from action, an example, action,
an example. Really, Booker's actions have been grandstanding. His example
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has been support for a genocide, co opting progressive language
to run cover for a row ethno state. For these
reasons and so many more, I do hereby declear that
Corey Booker is just the fucking worst. Watching him out
there still doing his little I'm glad you're fascination moral
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preening and then turning right around and voting for an
offensive weapons package to Israel, You've got to be kidding.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Well, remember his his big filibuster. I mean this is
this is the problem with these guys. This is what
they're all about. And if you just scratch the surface
a little bit, it's like the pro is I mean, listen,
obviously I know the pros real thing that's big for
the left, But look at the money stuff that goes
back now for decades, like with his.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Private equity that long time Corey Booker.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Haters yah for the but it's it shows people that
is what it takes, the superficiality to be beloved by
the media as some sort of democratic star.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Or at least was for years.
Speaker 10 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Well, hoping there's a corrective.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Here's the thing with that Booker exposes. It's it's not
an accident that the very same people who would be
the type to.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Go on be like these attacks on pain capital.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I just can't are the same people who would be
voting still to send offensive weapons to Israel.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Like, they are the same people.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And the reason is because they put donors first, and
so wherever the most amount of money is for campaign contributions,
that's where their positions are going to align.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
And so Corey Booker.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't know that it was his unique innovation, but
he follows the model of he really wants to position
himself as like he's some sort of progressive. But then
if you scratch underneath the surface and you see, oh, well,
when the progressive values don't align with what the donors want,
which direction do you go?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, that's right, we know, that's that's very true. Yeah. Yeah,
And somehow his veganism.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Also fits into this, like the personal I'm just saying,
it's like, for me, there's something about the pro Israel vegan,
like that is a guy and specifically it just fits
with Corey Booker.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
So I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
That's an interesting point.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Well, it's about the person, you know, like if you're vegan,
which I mean there's not really a health reason to
be vegan, but like, if you want to be vegan,
a lot of it is about like stop stopping the
suffering of the world and all of that, right, And
so then you know, to be pro Israel, especially now today,
and supposedly progressive on top of that, like that just fits.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Well, yeah, you won't slaughter a cow, but you'll allow
you know, you wanted thousands of babies to be you.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Won't even know, eat cow based products, milk or anything.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But yeah, exactly will you slaughter a red halfer? So
we'll get Ryan on.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'll eat a half for a burger. Somebody said it,
I'll eat it.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
I'll eat it today.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Is that sacrilegious? I'm not sure. For for Hindus, I
guess it is for Jews, I don't yeah true. All right, okay, guys,
all right.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Let's get to Chrystinals.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
So, as you guys likely know, the Freedom Flotilla coalition
has been trying to break the siege in Gaza. They've
sent a number of ships. At this point, one had
Guarded Tunberg on board and other activists attempting to bring
in basic aid and break that siege. Both ships have
at this point been the activists were kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Off the ship.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And we're joined by Chris Mals, who many of you
longtime viewers of the show will know is the founder
of the Amazon Labor Union. He was on board that
second flotilla and was not only arrested, essentially kidnapped off
the high seas, but was beaten and detained and Israeli
prisons for a number of days. So, first of all, Chris,
welcome back, Welcome home, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
It's nice to see your face.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
Man, Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Of course, so just take us through why you wanted
to be a part of this and what your experience was.
And we've got time, so take your time explaining to
the audience what happened.
Speaker 14 (42:33):
Yeah, absolutely, well, I want to I want to definitely
just touch on this mission was actually this was actually
both number thirty seven. I know a lot of people
gravitated to the mad Lean. They thought it was like
the first mission. They've been doing these flotillas since two
thousand and eight. Only in the last two decades, really
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only five of flotilla's actually made it to the Gods
a Strip. So it was very important for me to
join this last mission on the Hondella as a labor activist,
as an American tax paying citizen, I wanted to take
a stance that was more direct. I've done a lot
of protests, I've been to a lot of student encampments,
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I've been heavily involved with the pro Palestine movement since
the very beginning, and as a labor leader. Once again,
labor unions in America and the US specifically have been
very complicit, if not participating in this genocide with shipping
arms and manufacturing weapons, still with no resolution since October seventh.
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And once again, as a tax paying citizen, we all
need to be outraged of where our money is going.
You know, the killing and slaughtering of half a million
Palestinians in less than two years, it's just inhumane. So
for me to join this mission, I hope that it's
spread awareness. It seems like it did. Of course, the
legacy media didn't touch on it. Certain politicians, you can
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name them, they're in touch on it. But you know,
I'm hoping once again that the awareness that we have
on the left and the awareness that we have in
the community will get this story out there and also
help push the narrative, like you said, to break their
legal seeds that Israel hasn't posed for the last two decades.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So, Chris, as you said, you're an American citizen, describe
your treatment after you're detained by the Israelis.
Speaker 9 (44:26):
Well, of course I'm not just that.
Speaker 14 (44:28):
I'm a black man from America and there there's been
a history there for a very long time, and as
one of the only black passengers on the Hondela, I
was kind of aware of what situation I was going
into prior to going. But you know what I said,
it doesn't matter. People need to see the truth. And
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unfortunately they bit the bullet. They as soon as we
were transferred over from the IOF to the immigration or authorities,
I didn't consent to their propaganda stories. I put my
hands up over my face to cover my face from
the camera crews that they have. They had pretty much
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camera crewis the entire time trying to film propaganda like
they did with Greta Thumberg with the sandwiches and things
like that. And when I did that, I was attacked
by seven authorities.
Speaker 9 (45:22):
They threw me to the ground.
Speaker 14 (45:23):
They put their knee in my back, They twisted my
arms behind my back, and they had three guys on
each side. They levitated me and one of them was
pulling my hair and using my chains that's a noose
to choke me until I couldn't breathe. Then they took
me to a separate room. They threw me against the
wall a few times, and they were saying some racist
remarks in my ears, saying that they're the furthest thing
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from my brother and you know, nowhere close to being
brothers and They kept me isolated from the rest of
the passages and volunteers for the whole time.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
They guarded me with five guards.
Speaker 14 (45:56):
And yeah, once again I was treated different from the
rest of the crew.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Were there any while you were arrested and after you
had been assaulted? Were there any American politicians who intervened
to try to get you back talked to us about
the Yeah, because I mean, you are an American citizen.
You think this would be something that this administration, that
various politicians would would care about. Did anyone speak out,
Did anyone intervene on your behalf?
Speaker 9 (46:25):
No? Not, to my knowledge, I did.
Speaker 14 (46:29):
When I returned home, I did see that the only
rep that really spoke out was Summer Lea, and I
believe rasheated to lead of course, who I spoke to
on the Hondella on a live stream. But as far
as the embassy, the US Embassy never showed up for us.
Speaker 9 (46:46):
I was one of seven Americans.
Speaker 14 (46:48):
We were one third of the crew, which was you know,
that was unprecedented by itself to have so many Americans
on board. The Embassy didn't do anything. I spoke to
the counsulate I was in custody. He promised that he
was supposed to take care of my safety, but he
failed that that I was already assaulted by then, and
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every other embassy and for all the other countries that
was with us, they showed up in person and they
made sure that they people got home U the US
did not.
Speaker 9 (47:20):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I mean so nobody of the consulate, nothing was an
They did not assist you.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And it's crazy, Chris, What was your goal? What was
the goal of the you know, bringing this aid? What
did you have on board? And did the Israelis have
any legal authority to intercept the ship?
Speaker 9 (47:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (47:42):
So, you know, we know we didn't have enough aid.
The goal was never to deliver a humanitarian aid. The
goal is to break a legal siege. The aid that
we had was very minimum, but we had prosthetic parts,
we had medical supplies, baby formula, baby diapers, women care,
a whole bunch of hope and solidarity. You know, we
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knew that we can never feed everybody in Gaza. But
once again, to break the sea. This is what the
message is about and the goal is about. And as
far as Israel's jurisdiction on international waters, they have none.
The ICJ ruled over a year ago with the case
versus Israel and South Africa, that humanitary aid can continue
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to be delivered to the people of Gaza. They cannot
block that in any way, whether it's land or sea.
So we were in our legal right ass civilians to
deliver this humanitary aid. And Israel fake maritime blockade is
not a real thing. They have no jurisdictions on international waters.
This is why it's deemed the kidnapping.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
And Chris just broadly, you know, reflecting on your experience,
you know, what does it tell you about your own treatment?
And the silence from here politicians here in America, because
we hear a lot about hostages held in hamas, which
is fine. Some of them were American citizens, and of
course we should care about them. But you were effectively
(49:05):
held hostage, you know, by Israel and you received no
contact from anybody in our government.
Speaker 14 (49:11):
Well, once again, this is a you know, silence equals
death and and that's exactly what our American government has
shown us, is that they rather be complicit and participate
in the genocide than actually stand on the right side
of history. And it's not just the government, it's it's uh,
these labor unions who passed their resolutions. It's these corporations
(49:32):
like Amazon who invested seven point two billion dollars into
the Nimbus project. They essentially are the Iron Dome. I mean,
it's all of them. It's all these dots are connected.
And you know, I hope the people paid attention to
who exactly who they called their so called progressive politicians.
Speaker 9 (49:51):
They were silent, completely silent.
Speaker 14 (49:53):
You can't tell me that that they didn't catch wind
of what was going on, especially with me. As you know,
Crystal and y'all. Y'all have been reporting on me for
the last five years. Ever since I was fired, I've
been in major headlines. I've made every major publication in
the country, in the world. So there's no excuse for
(50:15):
why they've been silent, but the fact that they are complicit.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
And finally, Chris, you know, I think a lot of
people who see these images and are horrified.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
I think a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Struggle with what their moral responsibility is in this moment.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
How do you think about that question?
Speaker 14 (50:33):
We all have a role to play, and that's what
that's exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker 9 (50:37):
As a labor leader. I chose to take more direct stance.
Speaker 14 (50:41):
I'm not encouraging everybody to do that, because it's not
meant for everybody to join these flow tillises. We shouldn't
have to put our lives on the line. You know,
this was a life of death situation, and I have
children of my own. I wanted to return home and
make sure that they have a future they live in.
And that's what people need to think about, especially American
citizens once again, who tax paying dollars are going towards this.
(51:03):
We all need to be outraged and if whatever way
you feel like showing your activism, it's the time.
Speaker 9 (51:11):
The time is now, and that's what we have to do.
Speaker 14 (51:13):
We have to hold these entities accountable, and we have
to hold these people in power accountable right now.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Chris Mall's always great to see you. Great work here,
you know, incredibly courageous. As you said, I mean, you
put your life on the line for something you believe
in and that is truly to be commended. So thank
you so much for joining us, Thank you for the
work you're doing.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Good to see you, Chris, thank you, thank you, thank you,
Thank you guys so much for watching.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
We appreciate it. Great Friday show for everybody tomorrow. See
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part here with Anthony Aguilar.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So GJF whistleblower former Greenbray Anthony Aguilar, who we had
on this show, just recorded another interview with Tucker Carlson.
It was in person, It was longer than the first
portion that he put out. I really recommend you go
and listen to it. He reveals a lot of stunning things.
He also just has so much experience in the field.
The way he can describe the issues that he saw
(00:56):
there to me was quite striking. But one of the
pieces that I think need to be explored more is
what GHF is. Who is this leader, quote unquote Reverend
Johnny Moore, evangelical leader and entrepreneur, who's at the head
of it? Where has the funding been coming from? There
are just so many basic questions around GHF and what
(01:18):
it even is that I think it requires a lot
more digging in.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
He gets into some of that with Tucker. Let's go
ahead and take a listen.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
God's a humanitarian foundation. With Johnny Moore, who you know,
if he wants to say that that I am a liar,
I think that that's that you're a liar. He has
said that I'm a liar, and that's that's unfortunate because
I served in the army for twenty five years, answered
the call not just once, twice, three, four times, but
twelve to fight in battle for the ideals of this nation.
(01:45):
So for him to call me a liar, I think
that all veterans and all Americans should take pause and
think about who's calling me a liar? Someone that has
spent his entire life self serving with PR firms and
selling Bibles and whatever else it is he does on
the side. So what's interesting is that this entire time
(02:06):
that this operation has been going on now for operating
since the twenty sixth of May till now, so breaking
seventy days, he's only been there one time.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
For a photo op.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I find it appalling.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
He doesn't work out of Gaza.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I should say we put in three interview requests for
Johnny Moore.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
He's not even an Israel.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
So how is he running the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
From his flat in Virginia. I guess what it feels
like to me is that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is
a side project resume item for mister Johnny Moore. It's
not something that he's dedicated to, and it's not something
that he has the expertise and the acumen to understand
(02:59):
how to run.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Does he have any background in distributing humanitarian relief that
you know of.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
No, it's so many things that the experts within the
United Nations that are educated, that spend their lives to
become experts in are very very very good at doing.
So to think that we can just take that on
and do it is it's a very arrogant way of
(03:25):
looking at.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And one of the things that he said in that
interview to Soccer is that in all the members that
and all the meetings he had with members of Congress,
they asked the same thing. So now there's been thirty
million dollars in the State Department that has gone in.
That's all we know of the funding. Johnny Moore, who
is the leader, this evangelical Christian leader of GHF who
(03:46):
took over after the original head Jake Wood, resigned before
the thing was even operational, basically was like, I'm not
going to be associated with this. So Johnny Moore got
asked about the funding, refused to reveal what the sources
were and said that to the best of his knowledge,
it was not being funded directly by the Israeli.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Government, which they've now acknowledged is not even true.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But yes, yeah, and so and Tony. What he tested
to attested to as well is that functionally on the ground,
they consider the IDF the client. They do whatever the
IDF wants them to do, down to here's how many trucks,
here's what time you're opening the distribution center. And then
when he was asking about, hey, what are the you know,
what are the operating for, Like how do we operate
(04:29):
in this arena. They will just do what the IDF
is doing, and he was told directly they are the client.
So you have American mercenaries with zero legal protection coming
in on a tourist visa, being handed at fully automatic weapons.
Which another extraordinary part here is he talks about how
nobody they never qualify on these weapons. They're handed these
(04:50):
guns that they've never used before and just like, yeah,
just do what the IDF is doing out there.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, it is apps.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So that part increasingly, I remember it struck me in
our interview. I was like, what you're on a tourist
What did he say? He was like a j one
visa and then he's like, next thing, I know, him
in an up armored Humvey with a fully automatic weapon,
with a uniform. One of the things actually we talked
about a little bit with Tony afterwards is that he
was in his uniform. They had American flag patches that
were put on them. He's not an American soldier. It's like,
(05:18):
what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wanted them intentionally to look like and it was the
Israeli So you insisted on the American flag on the
fake military.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So they're flagging them.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean, they're basically trying to dress them up in
all of the uniform of the US military. And then
he talked previously about the IDF being the client. You know,
that was one of the revelations that came out of that.
I think this is a very important interview for people
to just understand how absolutely insane it is, and especially
as we continue to talk about Israel occupying Gaza. Trump
gave the green light yesterday's Israel can do whatever it
(05:48):
wants to do. It'll be up to them. It's like, well,
this is what it looks like when it's up to them. Yeah,
this is what it all looks like.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, and not to mention, go ahead and put C
four up on the screen. So Bezalel Smotrich Sho was
one of the most extreme members of an extraordinarily extreme
government in Israel. Previously was completely opposed to any aid
going into the Gaza strip. He was opposed the Gaza
humanitarian opposed to any and all AID going in, and
was so outraged by it that he was extracting concessions
(06:15):
from net Yaho. After he was put under pressure to
allow a little more AID in. He was, you know,
extracting concessions from net Naho to you know, allow that
plan to go forward. He's now done one and says, well, actually,
I now understand that the quote unquote Gkaza Humanitarian Foundation,
this isn't about feeding the population, he says, quote, it's
not money for humanitarian aid.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's money for winning the war.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Had we controlled the humanitarian aid to Gaza, we would
have won the war a while ago. This fits directly
with what Aguilar has been attesting to, which is that
this is not an aid operation. This is a shaping operation,
and these are designed intentionally as death traps to lure
people in, to control them, to force them into you know,
(07:01):
dangerous situations. I mean, of course we know about the
outright massacres that are occurring on a your daily basis
in the contract in the context of the so called
distribution of aid. But this is all about pulling and
pushing the population and controlling them. That's what this is,
and that's what Smotrich is just saying now out in
the open. Oh you know, actually, now I get it.
(07:22):
This isn't money for humanitarian assistance. This is money to.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Win the war.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So that's what they're saying, which again wholly and completely
backs up what Anthony Aguilar saw when he was on
the ground. He also made a really interesting comment about
what he thinks is likely to happen. And again remember
former Green Beret served twelve different tours of duty, nine
combat tours, like has seen everything you can see in
(07:48):
I don't know how many countries around the world, and
he says they need to think about Okay, there's a
difference between when you're in an offensive military position verse
is when you are in a permanent occupation, and what
you're likely to see once you shift to permanent occupation
is actually much more violence, much more of the gorilla warfare,
(08:11):
and that that's exactly what happened in Iraq that he
experienced directly. Let's go ahead and take a listen to
C two. Let's go ahead and take a listen to
what he had to.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Say about that.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
In the coming days and weeks, as this operation, as
Operation Gideon's Chariots, has ended and the Israeli Army has
to refit into this restructuring for occupation, which is a
whole new ballgame occupational Army, US Army, World War two,
US Army post invasion of Iraq, That's when things get
(08:40):
really nasty. That's when things get really gray. We think
that things are complicated and complex. Now wait until you
put an occupation army into the streets of Gaza City.
So right now, if I were Hamas while the active
war is going on the offensive, I'm leyan lowe Heid
want to come out and get killed. When the occupation begins,
(09:02):
that's when the insurgency presents itself in armed violence.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Yeah, that's when you have a permanent basis.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's going to get violent, and it's going to get deadly,
and as the well, more deadly. And if the United
States doesn't set a firm tone of what's acceptable and
what's not, no longer can we have this idf do
what you will and we'll just kind of we'll play
back up. No, we cannot. The President of the United
(09:31):
States needs to set clear, firm expectations and boundaries with
our ally because this occupation two things will happen. One,
it's going to become extremely violent, grotesquely violent. Markava Tank's
being blown up on the Sala Dean Road going into Gaza.
The Israelis won't like it. But then also when forces
(09:55):
begin to go into Gaza City and people other people
start to see the amount of starvation and destitute and destruction.
It's going to bring the world to its knees. And
it's not going to be a year from now, it's
not going to be months from now, days from now.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's going to bring the world to its knees, is
what he says. And you know the point he makes
there about the occupying force and the level of violence
that's likely to spike, it's incredibly obvious.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It just had It wasn't something that I.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Had really thought through as a civilian, but of course
that would follow the pattern of past invasions that we've
seen unfold.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, it is true.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Well, I mean, part of the reason why I'm not
so sure is that the Israelis have never behaved this
way in so far in their conduct of Gaza. They
just have determined that starvation and mass bombing is easier.
So when they say occupation, is it going to be
the type of occupation that a normal Western army would pursue,
or would it just be complete mass expulsion of from
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whatever area they're so called occupying.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I think that's part of the problem.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And my baseline assumption is that, considering the way they've
conducted themselves, now over the last two years, that's probably
the way they would go, just to minimize their own casualties.
But it would of course be the most barbaric and
the horrific. But I think Tony's point, broadly about what
people will see as that happens, is already materializing with
the pictures of the AID drops. With the pictures, I mean,
(11:25):
what else like the pictures of the AID drops, with
even some of the photos of the AID distribution and
others that's coming out, it's already stomach turning. I mean,
it's already to the point where, you know, I have
never seen anything like the collapse of support around the
issue just in the last two weeks. Yeah, it's extraordinary, shocking,
and that's just from the images that are coming out
(11:46):
and because of people like Tony.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, it's just a question of like, the public is repulsed,
the world is horrified.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
But is anyone going to do anything?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And that's the question, and that's where I'm not hopeful.
I mean, Trump has said Israel. Trump has apparently given
the green light for the complete occupation, invasion, expulsion plan.
He's been giving it publicly for however long he's been
in office. At this point talking about, you know, the
Gaza Lago plan, and at first weep like, oh, you
can't take him seriously, Like, clearly you should take him seriously.
(12:19):
And that is exactly what's being effectuated now today in
the Israeli security Cabinet. They are voting on the complete
annihilation plan on the Okay, we're going to just occupy
the whole thing that's happening today. So again when people
try to play plausible deniability, Oh no.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
They're really trying to feed them.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They're just you know, they've just in over their heads
and they don't know what they're doing. No, they have
a plan, they are effectuating that plan, and they are
doing it quite expediently. They are accomplishing exactly the goals
that they want to accomplish, and it is not an
accident whatsoever. Ceteo also had a scoop regarding some of
(12:59):
the leaders involved in this whole Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and
contractor ecosystem. We could put the C three up on
the screen and this was candidly. This was something that
Tony had mentioned to us off camera when we were
in studio, and Zatao was able to chase down the
details here so they say, contractor leading security for Gaza
AID sites is part of the Infidel's biker group that
(13:21):
seeks to fight Islamic extremism. And basically this is like
an Islamophobic motorcycle club, and this guy's involved with it,
and now he's the lead of one of the contractors
that is under the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. Tony also pointed
out that this dude had been temporarily debarred from contracting
with the US military at all, according to military documents.
(13:43):
He was de barred in June of twenty two thousand
and five after he received non judicial punishment pursuant to
USCMGA Article fifteen for conspiracy to commit bribery, larsening, and
making false official statements.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Just to give you a sense of some.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Of the characters who are involved with this supposed aid distribution,
let's go ahead and put C five up on the screen.
This speaks to what I was just talking about about
what they're voting on in the Israeli security cabinet today.
And dropsite pulled this and you've got the translation on
the screen here, But I'll just read you a little
bit of what this Israeli reporter is saying so this
(14:22):
is a Siegel. On Channel twelve, he reports Israel's preparing
to occupy Gaza City in a phased operation, beginning with
a mass evacuation of its residents curly currently estimated at
roughly a million people. Plan will be presented to Israel's
security cabinet today. He says they're going to issue an
advanced evacuation notice delay combat for several weeks to allow
construction of camps and field hospitals in central Gaza. Gaza
(14:46):
City is described as the symbol of the strip its captures,
the first step in what Segul calls a good few
weeks of operations. Months Trump is expected to give a
speech in parallel announcing an increase in GHF aid centers.
As for these really captive Segel claims most are no
longer in Gaza City and that Hamas has previously moved
captives when IDF forces approached. That attempt to assuage the
(15:08):
logical conclusion that oh, probably a lot of captives are
going to end up dead here. Plan stop short of
a full Gaza reoccupation for now, but is intended to
bring Hamas to surrender after the fall of Gaza City
so that's what we can expect to unfold tier shortly.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, it's really I mean, it's just it's one of
those where we just we don't fully know yet what's
going to happen, but I just think it's going to
be completely insane because Trump continues to give the blank check.
And I mean, in some ways, like have the way
that it was currently being sold at Gaza Lago and
all that, it would be horrific.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But the current policy.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Is to basically just give Israel a blank check and
total freedom of action, and that actually could lead to
the worst outcome where obviously we'd have no journalists who
are inside of the country, no scrutiny for looking at it,
a total blank check from America. So it would be
all the devastation and no even like small d democrat
check from our own government over what's going on.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, and just to be clear, there are I mean,
there are plenty of Palestinian journalists on the ground. It's
just they're routinely disbelieved and so you know, unfortunately and
also routinely murdered. I mean, we've had hundreds, hundreds of
Palestinian journalists targeted and murdered with scarcely a word from
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their colleagues in the Western press.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Except yeah, so treye Aanngst and a few people at
the Committee of Professional Journalists.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
That's about it. That's about it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh and by the way, Fox News just put out
this whole GHF propaganda piece. Guess who wasn't the reporter
on this? Yeah, I know was not Trey Yanks. Very
noteworthy there. Yeah, of course I think they had Bill
hemmer Go and like Tody Israeli propaganda line with regard
to what's going on there. But in any case, unfortunately,
because the Palestinian journalists are just so routinely invisibilized, slaughtered
(16:53):
and you know, disbelieved, I do think it will matter
if Western journalists were actually allowed in.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And the fact that we've gotten these.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Few aerial photos, aerial videos, the fact that you have
this former Green Beret coming forward in shock and horror
at what he's seeing on the ground there, I do
think that it is starting to you know, break through
in terms of the public consciousness. But it's also like,
you know, here we are with them voting on the
complete anihilation, complete ethnic cleansing, like final solution plan, and
(17:23):
you know, Trump certainly doesn't seem he embraces it. You know,
they're not at odds. He embraces it. He supports it.
He has told babe that he can do whatever he
needs to do. So that's where we are.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yep, it's not good tomorrow. Yeah, as you said, we'll cover.
So there's some great Bill Ackman posting where Ryan got
him to back down, which is pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Ryan's so good, Ryan is. We can agree certainly on that.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
All right, So we don't have a lot but thanks
to Miranda Devine over at the New York Post recently
sat with Donald Trump and with Tulci Gas and to
her credit, actually followed up on the New Jersey drone
situation and got some very mysterious answers from the two
of them.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Let's start with Trump's.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I wanted to ask you about drones. You know, we
had the issue in New Jersey before the election where
there are all these people thought UFOs or an attack
of the killer drones, and I believe you're doing something
about Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Well, I know who. I can't tell you who it
was and what it was, but I can't really tell you.
I'd love to tell you actually, but it's not a
it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It's not something frightening.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
No, but I just you know, so obviously it's something
that I know about, and it's not a problem at all.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
It was legal.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Oh yeah, that was legal.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So as you can see, overwhelmed by the transparency of
this administration.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, the UFO people are mad because, you know, here's
the thing that I've realized what the Trump people did,
because this fits with Epstein. They winked at large parts
of the Internet, and they made people very excited. Yeah,
and then they came in and it's the same old
crap right. So here he says, I can't tell you
what it was. I'd love to tell you. Actually, but
it's not a big deal. It's not a problem at all. Okay,
(19:09):
I mean, you can't take a whole lot of that
to the bank. But I actually thought that Tulsa Gabber's
comments were the most interesting. Obviously, she's the director of
National Intelligence. Here's what she had to say.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Strange objects of a New Jersey were drones.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I still have a lot of questions around.
Speaker 10 (19:25):
Yeah, you know, I've heard, I've heard what the public
official line is. I just personally still have a lot
of questions that are unanswered. Yeah, because it wasn't just
New Jersey. It was happening in different parts of the country.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Oh really, Yeah, happened in different parts of the country.
Wasn't just New Jersey. I mean, you'll remember we covered
it here. Remember we had rich me by the way,
for the skeptical, as I know you are. Remember what
Rich McHugh had to say here about how the state cops,
local police were all freaked out, the orbs.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
The drones, whatever they were.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Then eventually came out from Trump and what did he say.
He was like, oh, well, we knew what they were
all along.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
We couldn't just tell you. I don't believe that for
a second.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
There was also what was it an Iranian mothership was
off the coast at one point, which was floated by
a Republican congressman. Yes, the Iranian military, which you know,
really proved itself during the Twelve Day War.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
If you put that all together, we still have no idea.
I mean, listen, everyone, everyone I know is.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Going to the Black Project theory, you know, the secret
government and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It is theoretically possible.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I remained deeply skeptical just because again of the way
that we saw that movement, of the way that the
federal government also initially reacted. It was incredibly sketchy. There
was no like FAA guidance or anything that had been issued.
Also just in the way that the drone, whatever the objects,
the way that they operated whenever they were approached, you know,
(20:53):
by the state and local aircraft and by law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It remains one of.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The craziest episodes I think, you know, in more recent
like UFO memory and of course you know, it just
gets totally put under the rug.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, and to your point about winking at the internet,
you know with Epstein, specifically with Trump, it was more
of a wink because he always was like, oh, I
don't know, crivacy and maybe not UFOs.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
He was explicit, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I've pulled up the quote from twenty twenty four Lex
Treatman podcast. He promised if elected, he would push the
Pentagon to release more UFOs footage. He stated, oh, yeah, sure,
I'll do that.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I would do that. I'd love to do that. I
have to do that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So this isn't one where he was kind of people
around him were more ippushi it. No, he whenever he
got to asked this question, he was very direct. And
so here we are in August of twenty twenty five
and August seventh of twenty twenty five, and now it's well,
I can't tell you, but trust me, there's nothing to
worry about here.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I mean one of RFK Junior's advice. Do you remember
Bob Malone. He was on the RFK podcast or sorry,
on the Joe Rogan podcast. He's the guy died in
the mass psychost that the inventor of m R N
A whatever. All right, So he's he's a I believe
he was appointed to a position by RFK Junior. So
he recently said on a podcast that RFK Junior had
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quote received a classified briefing on UFO's UAPs and whether
they could be interdimensional beings or time travelers. Malone said
that a federal investigator told him quote alien encounters are
ramping up and confirms that they are real. You listen,
you can you know, I don't know whether that's true
or not. RFK Junior has come out, he has himself.
You know, we could take a look at his credibility,
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but he's definitely somebody who was in the room on
the issue, and if I put it together with the
public comments, it still remains one of total mystery, just
in the way that it has. They ran on the issue,
they said they would release it. There has not been
one thing that has been released yet. We got the
MLK files before we got the UFO and the upside.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So we're all aware.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
And there is still you know, quite a lot of
movement at the whistleblower and other level inside of Congress.
There has been multiple pieces now of legislation. We're just
supposed to compel the Pentagon. By the way, I've been
checking up on this, so I haven't heard yet whether
Pete Hagsat or anyone on their team is doing really
much on the UFO issue.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And you have to dig deep on this stuff, as
we're all showing, you know, with the Epstein files, it
took hundreds of FBI agents weeks if not months to
compile all this stuff from everywhere, and then apparently they
were finding things in different areas.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
That's what they're claiming.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
About Russia Gate too, and that's you know, surface level
political scandal. So just imagine on this particular issue. But anyway,
I mean I think it's an issue for transparency. The
Vice President recently was on a podcast talking about it
as well.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
There are stories that I am particularly focused on, in
part just because you talk with your buddies about it. Like,
I'm obsessed with the whole UFO thing. What's actually going on?
What were those videos all about? What's actually happening. I
haven't gotten to the bottom of yet, but what only
six months is it's.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
Been very busy.
Speaker 11 (23:56):
Actually, the August recess is in part me going to
try to dive to the bottom of the whole UFO
tho oh yeah, past year.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
So I mean you got to have us back, Okay,
I'll I'll let you know.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So will we ever hear about it again? I'm still
you know, it remain a bit skeptical. One of the
reasons why. And I've talked about this before. John Podesta,
who was the White House Chief of Staff under Bill Clinton,
huge UFO guy. He actually tried to figure out. He
writes about it in his book. Basically at every turn
they were like, don't worry about it. And Bill Clinton,
he even said it himself. Bill Clinton was like.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I'm embarrassed. I tried to find out and they basically
didn't tell me what was going on.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, learning this well, I don't do it very often.
It's you know, we're not on the nineties. Imagine if
we were broadcasting on the Lewinsky He's like.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh, Embers, I couldn't find what was going on. But
that's what he said. Obama remember in his interview on
and he was like.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, I can't tell you, you know, in terms of what
he had to say about the issue. And now we
have Trump and basically every successive person, even the vice president,
top level political appointees. You genuinely do need like a
strike team of people. Plus you need more people in
the government to come forward.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I like Tulsa's my favorite. She's literally the director of
National Inteligence and she's like, I still have.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
A lot of questions. I hate when we do that.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
See it pisses me out too, because now you have
a comment. This is so common, not just the Trump administration,
with all sorts of politicians who oh gosh, I wish
someone in power would do something. This is your freaking job,
Like what are you talking about? You still have good
then go ask the questions, Go get the answers, that's
the whole reason you were supposed to be put in there,
And yet there she is just playing helpless like she
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has no power, no ability to do anything, which maybe
she doesn't.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I don't know, but if she doesn't, then she should
admit that too.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I was going to say, though she remembers she said
that about the Epstein thing as well, whenever. I think
it was Charlie spearing shout out who asked her. He's like,
do you have any information that Epstein is an intelligence asset?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And she's like, well, I haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Anything like that. It's like, well, have you looked for it?
You know, have anybody asked that?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, I don't know anything. It's like I haven't looked
looked for.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It and look for right.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's like, well, yeah, you're not going to know unless
you try to look for it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And yeah, anyway, I mean, if you.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Just look at the history and the way that they're
all talking about the issue, they're winking, they're nodding, and
I don't know whether it's to drive up Actually I
don't think so, because they are not volunteering the information.
It's Miranda Devine who pressed on two of them, both
of them basically gave cover up. Like answers, JD has
always had kind of an interest in the UFO issue.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But also we have to be honest.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
It's like the Vice President doesn't have the power, Like
you need a full on commitment from the DNI, from
the you know, from the sec def.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You know, who knows what Pete Heggstath has going.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
On in his building right now? Would his generals even
tell him the truth? I do not have any confidence
basically in the way that he is running his building
right now.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, he's got way problems in terms of how he's
operating inside. So anyway, I think that's that's really all we,
unfortunately have. I would ask, you know, people in the
White House and others if you do have public.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Pressure or you know, future hearings things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I know that there's some rumbling about that, but almost
all of them really been stopped in their tracks. And
there are well meaning people in Congress who have been
trying on the issue, but an individual member of Congress,
as we've shown repeatedly, they have no little.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Power yet very little you know.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know what I think they should do soccer if
they really want to put this to bed what. I
think they should issue a two page memo says there's
nothing to see here.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
They've done it close. They already put on.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
A video and that they claim is raw.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Footage but is actually highly edited and missing key portions
of the video and lie about that as well.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I think that will really tamp down part.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What you're describing is literally what they have done on
the UFO issue. They did that before with the Pentagon.
Remember the headline. They do it every time, no evidence
of aliens. It's like, well, there's no evidence, is not
there's no evidence of what the fuck it is? All right,
It's just like, so you can't tell us what it is.
And they're like, well, there's fourteen incidents or whatever, which
we can't explain in any way whatsoever. But there's no
evidence that it's aliens. And it's like, well, what is
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the evidence of what it is? Finally, God, what is
the name of the James Fox documentary? I always want
people to watch this one? Is it Moment of contact?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Is? I think that's what it's called.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Moment of contact?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:01):
If I dare you to watch that and not believe
in UFOs.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I dare you.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's the one about Brazil.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right, Yeah, the Bristlle Barginia. I'm serious.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You have if you cannot watch it and tell me
the UFOs are not really you can't.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You can't, all right?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And then he's got multiple follow ups, the phenomenon, so
many others. All of James's films are absolutely incredible. So
that's my last blog. Go ahead and watch it for
yourself and you make up your mind.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Crystel, what are you taking a look at?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I haven't said that on a lone well.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
In a Senate that is full of amoral, psychopathic monsters,
it can be difficult to choose among the various odious
figures who should truly reach the s tier of villainy.
You've got your proudly genocidal types like John Fetterman, You've
got your islamophobic pro crypto cellounce like Kirsten Gillibrand. But
in terms of the Democratic Caucus, at least in my
humble opinion, Corey Booker is the worst.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
He is just the fucking worst.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Booker combines theatrical, vacuous preening with corporate slavishness with moral
horrors for a total package that is thoroughly and completely repugnant. Please,
for the love of God, someone decent primary this man.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
So the problem is with Corey Booker. Of course, they're
nothing new.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Actually attended a wedding that he officiated once, and I
swear to God, the first maybe twenty minutes of the
ceremony he spent describing his own personal faith journey. Leave
it to Corey Booker to make a wedding about himself
instead of I don't know, maybe the bride and groom.
I'm also old enough to remember when Booker went on
Meet the Press as a top Obama surrogate to decry
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that campaign's attacks on Mitt Romney's Bane Capital private equity record.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
This was really something.
Speaker 12 (29:42):
As far as that stuff, I have to just say
from a very personal level, I'm not about to sit
here and indict private equity. It's to me, it's just
as we're getting to a ridiculous point in America, especially
that I know I live in a state where pension funds,
unions and other people are investing in companies like Baying Capital.
If you look at the totality of Bane Capital's record,
they've done a lot to s support businesses, to grow businesses,
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and this to me I'm very uncomfortable. This kind of
stuff is nauseating to me on both sides. It's nauseating
to the American public. Enough is enough. Stop attacking private equity,
Stop attacking Jeremiah Wright. This stuff has got to stop
because what it does is it undermines to me what
this country should be focused on. It's a distraction from
the real issues. It's either going to be a small
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campaign about this crap, or it's going to be a
big campaign, in my opinion, about the issues that American
public cares about.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Nauseating.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, The Obama campaign and Democratic base backlash against Corey
Booker was swift after those comments. I remember a sweaty,
nervous Rachel Meadow interview he did in the aftermath of
those comments to try to clean it up, but he
never really fully recanted. It was a very revealing episode
because it broadcasts that he was willing to take the
heat even against Obama, the most beloved figure in the
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Democratic Party, in order to defend the honor of capital.
His mentality is donor first through and through, but wrapped
in a shot eveneer of supposed progressivism. Booker's not stupid,
though unlike some of his duller compatriots who thought that
there was political advantage to be gained from playing foot
seat with Magga, like let's say Gavin Newsom having Charlie
Kirkinsky Bannon on his podcast, or all of the Doge
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Caucus people. Booker recognized pretty quickly in Trump two point
zero that the Democratic base was desperate for figures who
would stand up and fight the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
So what a Corey Booker do?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, He's strapped on an adult diaper and took to
the floor of the Senate for an epic filibuster, boldly
speaking truth to power for hour after hour after hour,
excoriating the Trump administration, promising to fight their power grab
at every turn, eventually breaking the record for the longest
ever floor speech.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Maybe we thought this man has turned a page.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Maybe he's decided to rise the historical moment to put
grassroots democracy over donor driven capitulation. But even in this
speech marathon, the red flags were pretty clear. First of all,
it wasn't actually a filibuster, as it wasn't blocking any
actual action. Second, he used some of his time to
embrace Abundance, the big money back neoliberal rebrand dedicated to
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putting a glossy machine on status quo politics. Finally, he
swiftly moved from declaring all out war on the Trump
administration to voting to confirm justice involved person and Trump
family relative Charles Kushner as ambassador to France, demonstrating just
how committed Booker really is to actually fighting Trump administration
nepotism and thuggery. The Kushner vote was particularly egregious given
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that he was convicted of some pretty wild crimes in
Booker's own home state of New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You guys can go and look that one up.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
In fact, only a handful of Senate Democrats have supported
more Trump nominees than Corey Booker has. The man who
theatrically pledged to fight the Trump administration relentlessly, Booker is
apparently all resistance in the streets but capitulation in the sheets.
The dude is also utterly shameless too. When the Newark
mayor and New Jersey congressional members were arrested attempting to
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examine an ice attention facility, Booker, of course nowhere to
be found, and when other members were flying to a
Salvador to demand the release of innocence from a slave
labor camp. Booker was reported to be planning a trip,
but seemingly quashed it when Hakeem Jeffreys told Democrats that
they needed to back off the case. So while substantive
action has ranged from non existent to outright complicit, theatrics
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have certainly continued. Most recently, Booker got into an intentionally
noisy spat with Senator Amy Klobashar. Apparently Booker was looking
to grandstand over some provisional policing bill. Clobashar was pissed
off and disgusted with this little performance because he actually
couldn't be bothered to show up for the committee vote
when said provision was actually being discussed and voted on.
So here is the snippet of Booker's outburst.
Speaker 12 (33:39):
I was just called out by name, and I want
to respond.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I don't need.
Speaker 12 (33:43):
Somebody implying in any way that this is not vital
to me and my state, that we have resources for
our police officers. But what I am tired of is
when the President of the United States of America violates
the constitution, trash norms and traditions, and what does a
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Democratic party do comply allow him beg for scraps no,
I demand justice. It's time for Democrats have a backbone.
It's time for us to fight, It's time for us.
Speaker 9 (34:19):
To draw lines.
Speaker 12 (34:20):
And when it comes to the safety of my state
being denied these grants, That's why I'm standing here. Don't
question my integrity, don't question my motives. I'm standing for Jersey.
I am standing for my police officers. I'm standing for
the Constitution, and I'm standing for what's right.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Standing for what's right. You say, well, it will surprise
no one to learn that shortly after this tortive force
of moral preening, I believe, in front of an empty chamber,
by the way, Booker would once again vote to ship
offensive weapons to Israel so they can continue their campaign
of terror against starving Palestinian children. What clarity, what courage,
what incredible moral leadership, And truly it is with israe
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genocide in Gaza where Booker has reached his final, most
despicable form. It will not surprise you to learn that
he is a top recipient of Israel lobby funds, and
he votes and acts accordingly. In seemingly every instance. He's
been enthusiastic in efforts to criminalize criticism and boycotts of Israel.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
He goes that extra.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Mile by attending APAC policy conferences. He even gushed in
leaked audio about how he texts back and forth with
APA's president like there are a couple of teenagers par
for the course. I guess for someone with an apparent
multi decade close friendship with the utterly reprehensible Rabbi Schmooley.
Here they are together or sing around at a poor
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un party at Oxford in nineteen ninety three. By all accounts,
the two were extremely close friends for decades, falling out
according to Booker over Schmooley being so self promoting that
even Corey Booker couldn't quite take it. I guess the
man does have some limits, apparently, but Booker's ironclad commitment
to Israel has outlasted his Schmooley romance. In fact, perhaps
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nothing so accurately Encapsuley. It's the futrid essence of Corey Booker,
as this photo with wanted war criminal Benjamin Netnahoo back
when he was in town just a.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Few weeks ago. Corey has the intellect to.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Know a photo op with baby probably a bad look
while babies are literally being starved, So he hides his face,
but he lacks the integrity to actually buck his donors.
So there Corey is in the photo, lamely trying to
hide behind someone. Now he claims the photographer positioned him
this way. Okay, Now it goes without saying. You'd be
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hard pressed to identify a more monstrous and destructive figure
in the entire world than net Yahoo.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
And yet here is self.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Anointed moral warrior, Corey Booker meeting with modern day Hitler
so he can hear the latest Hospara talking points about
how children with pre existing conditions don't really count as starving,
or how American Jews voting for Zoran are actually Hamas.
Speaking of Zoran, Guess who refuses to get behind the
Democratic nominee for New York City in spite of a
resounding twelve point five victory. You guessed it, mister courageus
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himself Corey Booker.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Mom, Donnie, are you going to support him?
Speaker 13 (37:06):
I have learned a long time ago. Let New York
politics be New York politics. We got enough challenges in Jersey.
I got a governor's race. I'm supporting mikey Cheryl, I
got legislative races. That's where my energy's going to go
going into November. New York City. I love you, You're
my neighbor. You're about ten miles from where I live.
You guys figure out your elections. I'm going to focus
on mine.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Would you be surprised if I informed you that his
don't endorse in New York rule is not some consistent
Booker anti medaling policy. In fact, for years, Corey Booker
ran a pack that endorsed Democrats in races across the country,
and he currently sits on the board of the Pack
Democrats for Education Reform, a group founded by billionaire and
former mayoral candidate Whitney Tilson and which endorses candidates who
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are against teachers' unions and generally in favor of charter schools.
He's got no problem endorsing candidates in New York or
in any other state, by the way, he just doesn't
want to support this particular candidate's delight at texting like
a teenager with Apak and his close association with billionaire
design as Whitney Tilson, who made his whole mayoral campaign
about Israel. I think we all know why the supposed
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progressive just can't bring himself to support the progressive Democratic
nominee for mayor. To top off all the self congratulation
and cash grab and really wrap it all in a bow.
Booker has decided to turn his twenty five hour speech
into a book called Stand. On the publisher's website, they
describe Stand as quote a celebration of the Americans who
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chose to get up in the face of injustice, who
championed the uniquely American values central to making our nation
a more perfect union despite seemingly insurmountable obstacles. It's also,
they say, a guide for today. Leadership is not derived
from position or title. It comes from action, an example, action,
an example. Really, Booker's actions have been grandstanding. His example
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has been support for a genocide, co opting progressive language
to run cover for a row ethno state. For these
reasons and so many more, I do hereby declear that
Corey Booker is just the fucking worst. Watching him out
there still doing his little I'm glad you're fascination moral
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preening and then turning right around and voting for an
offensive weapons package to Israel, You've got to be kidding.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Well, remember his his big filibuster. I mean this is
this is the problem with these guys. This is what
they're all about. And if you just scratch the surface
a little bit, it's like the pro is I mean, listen,
obviously I know the pros real thing that's big for
the left, But look at the money stuff that goes
back now for decades, like with his.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Private equity that long time Corey Booker.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Haters yah for the but it's it shows people that
is what it takes, the superficiality to be beloved by
the media as some sort of democratic star.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Or at least was for years.
Speaker 10 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Well, hoping there's a corrective.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Here's the thing with that Booker exposes. It's it's not
an accident that the very same people who would be
the type to.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Go on be like these attacks on pain capital.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I just can't are the same people who would be
voting still to send offensive weapons to Israel.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Like, they are the same people.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And the reason is because they put donors first, and
so wherever the most amount of money is for campaign contributions,
that's where their positions are going to align.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
And so Corey Booker.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't know that it was his unique innovation, but
he follows the model of he really wants to position
himself as like he's some sort of progressive. But then
if you scratch underneath the surface and you see, oh, well,
when the progressive values don't align with what the donors want,
which direction do you go?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, that's right, we know, that's that's very true. Yeah. Yeah,
And somehow his veganism.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Also fits into this, like the personal I'm just saying,
it's like, for me, there's something about the pro Israel vegan,
like that is a guy and specifically it just fits
with Corey Booker.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
So I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
That's an interesting point.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Well, it's about the person, you know, like if you're vegan,
which I mean there's not really a health reason to
be vegan, but like, if you want to be vegan,
a lot of it is about like stop stopping the
suffering of the world and all of that, right, And
so then you know, to be pro Israel, especially now today,
and supposedly progressive on top of that, like that just fits.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Well, yeah, you won't slaughter a cow, but you'll allow
you know, you wanted thousands of babies to be you.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Won't even know, eat cow based products, milk or anything.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But yeah, exactly will you slaughter a red halfer? So
we'll get Ryan on.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'll eat a half for a burger. Somebody said it,
I'll eat it.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
I'll eat it today.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Is that sacrilegious? I'm not sure. For for Hindus, I
guess it is for Jews, I don't yeah true. All right, okay, guys,
all right.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Let's get to Chrystinals.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
So, as you guys likely know, the Freedom Flotilla coalition
has been trying to break the siege in Gaza. They've
sent a number of ships. At this point, one had
Guarded Tunberg on board and other activists attempting to bring
in basic aid and break that siege. Both ships have
at this point been the activists were kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Off the ship.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And we're joined by Chris Mals, who many of you
longtime viewers of the show will know is the founder
of the Amazon Labor Union. He was on board that
second flotilla and was not only arrested, essentially kidnapped off
the high seas, but was beaten and detained and Israeli
prisons for a number of days. So, first of all, Chris,
welcome back, Welcome home, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
It's nice to see your face.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
Man, Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Of course, so just take us through why you wanted
to be a part of this and what your experience was.
And we've got time, so take your time explaining to
the audience what happened.
Speaker 14 (42:33):
Yeah, absolutely, well, I want to I want to definitely
just touch on this mission was actually this was actually
both number thirty seven. I know a lot of people
gravitated to the mad Lean. They thought it was like
the first mission. They've been doing these flotillas since two
thousand and eight. Only in the last two decades, really
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only five of flotilla's actually made it to the Gods
a Strip. So it was very important for me to
join this last mission on the Hondella as a labor activist,
as an American tax paying citizen, I wanted to take
a stance that was more direct. I've done a lot
of protests, I've been to a lot of student encampments,
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I've been heavily involved with the pro Palestine movement since
the very beginning, and as a labor leader. Once again,
labor unions in America and the US specifically have been
very complicit, if not participating in this genocide with shipping
arms and manufacturing weapons, still with no resolution since October seventh.
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And once again, as a tax paying citizen, we all
need to be outraged of where our money is going.
You know, the killing and slaughtering of half a million
Palestinians in less than two years, it's just inhumane. So
for me to join this mission, I hope that it's
spread awareness. It seems like it did. Of course, the
legacy media didn't touch on it. Certain politicians, you can
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name them, they're in touch on it. But you know,
I'm hoping once again that the awareness that we have
on the left and the awareness that we have in
the community will get this story out there and also
help push the narrative, like you said, to break their
legal seeds that Israel hasn't posed for the last two decades.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So, Chris, as you said, you're an American citizen, describe
your treatment after you're detained by the Israelis.
Speaker 9 (44:26):
Well, of course I'm not just that.
Speaker 14 (44:28):
I'm a black man from America and there there's been
a history there for a very long time, and as
one of the only black passengers on the Hondela, I
was kind of aware of what situation I was going
into prior to going. But you know what I said,
it doesn't matter. People need to see the truth. And
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unfortunately they bit the bullet. They as soon as we
were transferred over from the IOF to the immigration or authorities,
I didn't consent to their propaganda stories. I put my
hands up over my face to cover my face from
the camera crews that they have. They had pretty much
(45:12):
camera crewis the entire time trying to film propaganda like
they did with Greta Thumberg with the sandwiches and things
like that. And when I did that, I was attacked
by seven authorities.
Speaker 9 (45:22):
They threw me to the ground.
Speaker 14 (45:23):
They put their knee in my back, They twisted my
arms behind my back, and they had three guys on
each side. They levitated me and one of them was
pulling my hair and using my chains that's a noose
to choke me until I couldn't breathe. Then they took
me to a separate room. They threw me against the
wall a few times, and they were saying some racist
remarks in my ears, saying that they're the furthest thing
(45:45):
from my brother and you know, nowhere close to being
brothers and They kept me isolated from the rest of
the passages and volunteers for the whole time.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
They guarded me with five guards.
Speaker 14 (45:56):
And yeah, once again I was treated different from the
rest of the crew.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Were there any while you were arrested and after you
had been assaulted? Were there any American politicians who intervened
to try to get you back talked to us about
the Yeah, because I mean, you are an American citizen.
You think this would be something that this administration, that
various politicians would would care about. Did anyone speak out,
Did anyone intervene on your behalf?
Speaker 9 (46:25):
No? Not, to my knowledge, I did.
Speaker 14 (46:29):
When I returned home, I did see that the only
rep that really spoke out was Summer Lea, and I
believe rasheated to lead of course, who I spoke to
on the Hondella on a live stream. But as far
as the embassy, the US Embassy never showed up for us.
Speaker 9 (46:46):
I was one of seven Americans.
Speaker 14 (46:48):
We were one third of the crew, which was you know,
that was unprecedented by itself to have so many Americans
on board. The Embassy didn't do anything. I spoke to
the counsulate I was in custody. He promised that he
was supposed to take care of my safety, but he
failed that that I was already assaulted by then, and
(47:09):
every other embassy and for all the other countries that
was with us, they showed up in person and they
made sure that they people got home U the US
did not.
Speaker 9 (47:20):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I mean so nobody of the consulate, nothing was an
They did not assist you.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And it's crazy, Chris, What was your goal? What was
the goal of the you know, bringing this aid? What
did you have on board? And did the Israelis have
any legal authority to intercept the ship?
Speaker 9 (47:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (47:42):
So, you know, we know we didn't have enough aid.
The goal was never to deliver a humanitarian aid. The
goal is to break a legal siege. The aid that
we had was very minimum, but we had prosthetic parts,
we had medical supplies, baby formula, baby diapers, women care,
a whole bunch of hope and solidarity. You know, we
(48:03):
knew that we can never feed everybody in Gaza. But
once again, to break the sea. This is what the
message is about and the goal is about. And as
far as Israel's jurisdiction on international waters, they have none.
The ICJ ruled over a year ago with the case
versus Israel and South Africa, that humanitary aid can continue
(48:25):
to be delivered to the people of Gaza. They cannot
block that in any way, whether it's land or sea.
So we were in our legal right ass civilians to
deliver this humanitary aid. And Israel fake maritime blockade is
not a real thing. They have no jurisdictions on international waters.
This is why it's deemed the kidnapping.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
And Chris just broadly, you know, reflecting on your experience,
you know, what does it tell you about your own treatment?
And the silence from here politicians here in America, because
we hear a lot about hostages held in hamas, which
is fine. Some of them were American citizens, and of
course we should care about them. But you were effectively
(49:05):
held hostage, you know, by Israel and you received no
contact from anybody in our government.
Speaker 14 (49:11):
Well, once again, this is a you know, silence equals
death and and that's exactly what our American government has
shown us, is that they rather be complicit and participate
in the genocide than actually stand on the right side
of history. And it's not just the government, it's it's uh,
these labor unions who passed their resolutions. It's these corporations
(49:32):
like Amazon who invested seven point two billion dollars into
the Nimbus project. They essentially are the Iron Dome. I mean,
it's all of them. It's all these dots are connected.
And you know, I hope the people paid attention to
who exactly who they called their so called progressive politicians.
Speaker 9 (49:51):
They were silent, completely silent.
Speaker 14 (49:53):
You can't tell me that that they didn't catch wind
of what was going on, especially with me. As you know,
Crystal and y'all. Y'all have been reporting on me for
the last five years. Ever since I was fired, I've
been in major headlines. I've made every major publication in
the country, in the world. So there's no excuse for
(50:15):
why they've been silent, but the fact that they are complicit.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
And finally, Chris, you know, I think a lot of
people who see these images and are horrified.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
I think a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Struggle with what their moral responsibility is in this moment.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
How do you think about that question?
Speaker 14 (50:33):
We all have a role to play, and that's what
that's exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker 9 (50:37):
As a labor leader. I chose to take more direct stance.
Speaker 14 (50:41):
I'm not encouraging everybody to do that, because it's not
meant for everybody to join these flow tillises. We shouldn't
have to put our lives on the line. You know,
this was a life of death situation, and I have
children of my own. I wanted to return home and
make sure that they have a future they live in.
And that's what people need to think about, especially American
citizens once again, who tax paying dollars are going towards this.
(51:03):
We all need to be outraged and if whatever way
you feel like showing your activism, it's the time.
Speaker 9 (51:11):
The time is now, and that's what we have to do.
Speaker 14 (51:13):
We have to hold these entities accountable, and we have
to hold these people in power accountable right now.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Chris Mall's always great to see you. Great work here,
you know, incredibly courageous. As you said, I mean, you
put your life on the line for something you believe
in and that is truly to be commended. So thank
you so much for joining us, Thank you for the
work you're doing.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Good to see you, Chris, thank you, thank you, thank you,
Thank you guys so much for watching.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
We appreciate it. Great Friday show for everybody tomorrow. See
you then
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