9/10/25: Trump Responds To Israel Qatar Strike, Saagar Breaks Down Full Epstein Book

Emily and Saagar discuss Trump responds to Israel Qatar strike, Saagar breaks down full Epstein book.

 

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This is the verdant, This is the verdict, all right.

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to mix up who does the introductions.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
No, you're much better at Oh I know, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
That's a Crystal's job.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
But you are really because you're loud, and when you're loud,
you sound comfort.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
It makes people excited.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well that's what my haters and and all my friends
have been saying about me since the day I was born.
So okay, A just being loud doesn't make you, right,
sager O. Wait, is my wife in the room?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Where? Okay, Doha, Doha.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
We're going to start with the Doha attack, shall we we?
This is obviously we had breaking news yesterday literally in
the middle of our segment with Jeremy Scahill. We could
not have a better person on the show to break
all of that down. With absolutely major consequential attack by
Israel on some on Hamas leaders who are in Doha,
the chief negotiators actually for the ceasefire. We're going to

(01:35):
break down everything that we know, both about the attack
and some of the geopolitical fallout. The White House signaling
themselves away from the attack although not really doing anything
about it pretty feckless if you asked me. We're going
to talk about Epstein. So we did give some review
of the Epstein files that were released by the Oversight Committee,
but Emily and I are going to go through I
picked I read the entire book. I had to take

(01:56):
a shower afterwards, and it's so disgusting, but I picked
out sixteen seventeen images the two of us can go through.
We've gone through the Trump letter, but there's so much
more in the book. Some of the richest, most powerful people,
including the current UK Ambassador to the United States, Lord Mendelssohn.
Lord Mendelssohn involved with EPPS. I mean, you can't make
this stuff up, can you? And there's so much more

(02:18):
behind the scenes, just to show an open secret in
his own network about his own predilections. I guess, shall
we say, Emily, you are going to break down shutdown politics?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
For me, it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So Emily is much more of a scholar, I would say,
on the institutional right than I am. And Democrats are
not going through their own twenty thirteen moment. Ezracline, one
of the probably the pre eminent kind of thinker amongst
centrist liberal Democrats, is now calling for a shutdown for
the government as a vehicle, like as a move in
and of itself, something that obviously vehemently opposed back in

(02:51):
twenty thirteen. But it just goes to show you that
they're reaching for a different levers that they possibly can
to show their voters they're standing up to Donald Trump.
And you've pulled actually some old clips from back then
kind of show us what the Democratic Party is going through.
I'm really interested to hear what you have to say.
We're going to cover Venezuela. Obviously we've had a lot

(03:12):
going on on the show, but it is very important.
Major exchange, I guess you could call that between JD.
Vance and Rand Paul kind of gets to the heart
of what's going on with the US presence against Venezuela.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
JD.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Van saying, quote, I don't give a shit what you
call it. Whenever you blow people up in the boat.
Ran Paul saying, no, that's not what we do. We
need due process. And then some bigger questions around MAGA,
the use of force and whether this is all a
con job in the word of Donald Trump. And then
there was a major UFO hearing. Unfortunately I was not
able to join yesterday. A lot of my friends were

(03:43):
there in the room. A new video coming out purportedly
showing a UAP an unident or I just prefer the
term UFO so that shows an object which a hell
fire missile glances off of I will say there's some
countervailing evidence. I'm going to it to all of you
and you can make it up your mind for yourself.
There's also a pretty compelling testimony. And then finally we're

(04:05):
gonna do the Tim Dillon thing, which we were originally
going to do yesterday, where he says the JD advance
and AOC quote don't have it in some recent political
analysis on the Joe Rogan podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Not necessarily about Tim's commons themselves.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I'm more curious what does it mean for like the
bros fear as politics kind of evolves, and where the
podcast vote and all of that is going to go.
And then finally, Emily and I are going to do
the AMA live here from the studio. So that's a
reminder if you want to support our show, breakingpoints at
dot com and all of the work that we are
up to here. So with that, let's go ahead and

(04:39):
start with Doha. There was an extraordinary statement from the
White House trying to distance itself from the Israeli attack
on Katar. Trump himself, outside of a restaurant here in
Washington yesterday said he was not happy. He did not
have any advance. But was he caught by surprise? He
says he's never surprised by any so here's what he

(05:00):
had to say.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
But we are not thrilled about the way that went
down today.

Speaker 8 (05:08):
So you were caught by surprise.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
I'm never surprised by anything, especially when it comes.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
To the Middle East.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
About it, I'll be giving a full statement tomorrow, but
I would tell you this. I was very unhappy about it,
very unhappy about every aspect. And we got to get
the hostages back, but I was very unhappy about the
way that went down.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I was very unhappy about the way that went down.
Are you going to do anything about it?

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Though?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
And by the way, this is just shi It fits
with the fecklessness that's coming out of the Trump administration
in the wake of the attack. The immediate reaction from
the White House was one of conciliation to the state
of Qatar and basically saying, we didn't have anything to
do with this, We're not happy about it. It's like
Biden as president all over again. Let's take a list
to the White House their initial statement. I'll get Emily's reaction.

Speaker 8 (05:59):
This morning, the Trump administration was notified by the United
States Military that as Israel was attacking Hamas, which very
unfortunately was located in a section of Doha, the capital
of Qatar. Unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a sovereign nation and
close ally of the United States that is working very
hard in bravely taking risks with us to broker peace,

(06:21):
does not advance Israel or America's goals. However, eliminating Hamas,
who have profited off the misery of those living in
Gaza is a worthy goal. President Trump immediately directed Special
Envoy Whitkoff to inform the Qataris of the impending attack,
which he did. The President views Qatar as a strong
ally and friend of the United States and feels very

(06:44):
badly about the location of this attack. President Trump's wants
all of the hostages in Gaza and the bodies of
the dead released in this war to end now. President
Trump also spoke to Prime Minister Netnyahu after the attack.
The Prime Minister told President Trump that he wants to
make peace and quickly. President Trump believes this unfortunate incident

(07:07):
could serve as an opportunity for peace. The President also
spoke to the Emir and Prime Minister of Qatar and
thanked them for their support and friendship to our country.
He assured them that such a thing will not happen
again on their soil.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Such a thing will not happen again on their soil.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
But we're not going to do anything to the client
state which perpetuated that attack and according to the White House,
gave them no heads up about it was happening in
extraordinary action, the violation of their sovereignty using ten some
IDF planes to come in and to conduct this attack.
I mean, by the way, we'll get to this in
a second. One of the most high profile debts here

(07:45):
is a Katari citizen, a police officer who was actually
stationed outside of the building, and some of the intended
were not even killed actually in the attack, So top
to bottom, it's crazy. And yeah, I mean, I just
want your general reaction and for kind of the biden
Esque nature of like we condemn it, but we're not
going to do anything about it. I mean, this is

(08:05):
the most bipartisan now response I guess to to really
like deranged Israeli action since October.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Seventh, even more eerily of a parallel or more even
more eerie of a parallel to Biden era Rafa politics
let's put this image on the screen. It's actually going
to be out of order A three. There is a
Baraq Revied leak. So it gets even more similar to
the Biden era. We are being told by Barack Revied

(08:35):
that the Trump administration is infuriated, the Trump advisors are infuriated,
and you can bet that's probably Steve Whitcoff, probably Trump
himself by Israel's attack and Cutter.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Now we can go back to the.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Last element, or the one that's just before this is
the yeshar Ali post of Trump's True Social. Trump basically
parrotied what Caroline Levitt said on True Social, that quote
that you just heard from her that we just played
in full. Trump added to it at the end that
he's directing a Secretary of State Mark or Riubio to
finalize the defense cooperation agreement with Cutter. And of course,
thank you for your attention to this matter.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
But this is so so similar to exactly what Donald
Trump ran against Joe Biden. That's right, and you cannot
possibly understate the extent to which this is similar to
what was happening with Joe Biden. This is the nets
in Yahoo not telling Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
If that's even true, by the way, I mean, you know,
I'm still a little bit skepty. Yes, but maybe let's
say true. Let's say true.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well yeah, and also if it let's say it's let's
say it's not true. What does Trump want to project publicly? Yeah,
that's right, right, that's I mean, it makes him look
incredibly weak.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
It makes him look weak basically, no matter what. And
that's kind of what's ridiculous about it. Israel's attack infuriated
Trump advisors like, okay, so what are you gonna do
about You're gonna cut off any weapons?

Speaker 1 (09:54):
No, are you going to put diplomatic pressure?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
No? Are you going to do literally anything other than
green light the Gaza city and invasion? No?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, so then you're just Joe Biden all over again.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean, let's all just sit with American power, American
security guarantees, an American diplomacy. As Ryan so eloquently put
out yesterday, you have a situation where the United States
sends a ceasefire proposal. We talked about it with Jeremy
yesterday to Hamas and we're like, hey, guys, here's our
final terms. You have to agree to them. If not,

(10:25):
you know, quote unquote, there'll be hell to pay. And
the Israeli response is they didn't even really respond a
guest to the ceasefire. They claimed that they agree to
it completely in principle, the so called proposal, and then
they just try to assassinate all the people who did it.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
By the way, exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
A meeting where they're trying to respond to what's happening here.
And then, by the way, what does Katar immediately stay afterwards?
They're like, okay, fine, you know what, our country, We're
done facilitating any negotiations.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's what the Israelis want.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
I don't know what else.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
We can say at this point. It's also just so crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
This morning, the trumpe minus was notified by the United
States military Israel attacking Hamas, which very unfortunately was located
in a section of Doha, the capital of Qatar. This
was a decision made by Prime Minister Netanyahu, not a
decision made by me. Okay, then do something about it.
I mean, this is we talked about this immediately in
the reaction to Jeremy. The Golf States have spent hundreds

(11:22):
of billions.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Of dollars on US weaponry.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
The Qatar hosts sent com they literally host tens of
thousands of American troops. I used to I went to
high school in Qatar. There are hundreds of thousands of
Americans who live there. Okay, so, and even in the
neighborhood by the way, you know, it's a well known
place actually where this happened. And it's one of those
where it could easily as a Katari citizen was killed,
a police officer easily, an Americans citizen, a European expat,

(11:48):
or any of these other millions of expats really who
are all over the golf could have been you know,
killed accidentally or something in the attack if a single
thing went awry. They don't care about that, about quote
collateral damage, and they're willing to engage in this type
of action. And it's as if the US security guarantee matters.
I mean, that's what's so crazy about the end of

(12:09):
his tweet to finalize the Defense cooperation Agreement? What does
it mean to have a defense cooperation agreement? If a
client state of the United States of America can bomb
you with impunity and you're not going to do Everyone
knows they're not going to do anything about it. We
also know the United States is not going to do
anything about it, So a defense agreement basically means nothing

(12:29):
in principle. In fact, the current take that I'm seeing
is that it could be Israel not Russia, which is
the end of NATO, because now it's not so crazy
to see it's not so crazy to envision a world
where Israeli right wingers are all over Twitter and on
their airwaves saying, we need to bomb on Gura, we
need to bomb Turkey.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Turkey is a NATO member.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
If Turkey invoked Article five at Israel attacked it, yeah,
you think America is going to come to their defense.
It just goes to show, you know, the preposterous nature
of this so called special relationship where this country gets
to do literally whatever the hell it wants and nothing
else matters.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Let's go and put a four.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Up on the screen. This is from Jeremy ska hill
Hamas's reaction. They say, quote, we confirm the enemy's failure
to assassinate our brothers in a negotiating delegation. It did
confirm that four office staff and one of the sons
of them were killed. In addition to some of the
things that we're seeing, let's put a five please up
on the screen. This is from the Qatari Yeah, the

(13:31):
Katari advisor to the Prime Minister of Qatar. They say
the statements being circulated about Qatar being informed of the
attack in advance are baseless. The communication received from one
of the American officials came during the sound of explosions
resulting from the Israeli attack in Doha. And in addition,
as I said, they can confirm if the next one,

(13:53):
that one Katari police officer has died as a result
of the Israeli strikes targeting the leadership, according to their
Interior Ministry, and that a number of Katari security forces
were also wounded. So, I mean, this is an extraordinary
action against an ostensible US ally that had it, you know,
under the protection of the US security umbrella, and we're

(14:13):
just going to allow this type of stuff to happen.
It's one of those where, you know, I've seen so
much American right wing commentary about Oh, Qatar finally got
what it was coming to them because they host Hamas,
Hey geniuses, As the Katari Foreign minister acknowledged in an
interview with Tucker Carlson, we only have that Hamas office

(14:35):
because you told us to keep it open because you
guys need a place to come in to meet on
some safe territory.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
They're like, we don't want these people here, you know, we.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Don't care about any of this stuff with the only
reason that we allow it here is so that you
can come and fly here from Washington and soaking the Israelis.
You meet on neutral ground and we can all figure
it out. Well, oh lo and behold, Israel went and
blew it up, and so now there's no place to meet,
which means what, oh, just get the full bengevir Smotrich,
ethnic cleansing, kill everybody that we want to. And so

(15:05):
who could avoid this possibility? We tried everything, did you? No?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Not really.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
That's why there's the debate on the Israeli right is
whether or not to continue taking American support at all,
because then you don't have to worry about blowing up
peace negotiations, because you don't have to worry about being
pressured into peace negotiations period.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
You can take the land that you want and do
what you want right now. Israeli media.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Really interesting conversation happening over on the Times of Israel
blog because this headline it's exactly which was probably in
the back of your mind as well. Sager was Cutter
attacked time to deflect indictment news of Netta Yahu's Katari
type obviously, and this is how you know that the
entire line about Kutter being complicit with Hamas is fake.

(15:48):
It's just like this, doellsn't exactly what you need to
know if you haven't been following the story. This is
from I'm reading from one of their bloggers or at
times Times of Israel, who writes the decision to attack
mas headquarters in Cutter's capital raised serious questions about the
real motives behind it. The action did not advance any
security interest of the State of Israel. Again I'm reading
from the Times of Israel, and even aroused opposition from

(16:09):
senior figures and the security establishment, which we have a
couple of elements on. Let's actually just skip ahead here
to a eight. This Israeli media reporting that the IDF
and MASAD actually opposed the strike, So this was hardly.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
And the chief negotiators, by the way, the negotiators on
the Israeli side, the IDF chief of staff and the
head of the MASAD. The reason why you know that
they opposed it is because Netiagnai, who actually credited the
shin Bett in the attack, which would be kind of
like being like the FBI helped with a security operation
in I don't know, like in a bombing on Venezuela,

(16:44):
right that is no, it's like it's a CIA operation.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
The reason they're distancing Sofa because those people were like,
we don't want anything to do with this.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
We thought it was a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So yeah, these Israeli security establishment opposed it allegedly. I
mean if look, these are not you know, kind hearted,
blie eating heart liberals all right. For them, it's about
keeping the entity together, having some sort of strategy which
has just been used as a cover effectively by the
Netta Yahu government and the most far right ministers to
advance whatever they want. Babe gets to survive politically, he

(17:16):
gets to keep the trials about his own Katari ties
away from the headlines. By the way, the hostage negotiator,
the hostages families themselves, they.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Are the ones man.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I mean, for them, I just can't imagine, like you
have a war ostensibly being fought to release the hostages.
It's the number one cry that we hear, and for them,
they know the reality. Let's put a statement from them next.
That's a nine please up on the screen where they
say the Israeli hostages form the voice is deep concern.
They warn that time is now running out and urge

(17:49):
the government to present a clear plan for a comprehensive
deal to bring the hostages home. But like for them,
if you watch Israel bomb the people who could potentially
lead to the really of the hostages, what other action
are you supposed to say it in that they don't
care about the hostages, and they don't we know that
they've said it from day one.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Many of them say it out loud.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
We need to abandon the hostage cause they say it
in Hebrew though, of course, so you know, none of
us are really going to know unless you hit the
translate button.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
But look, I mean it all together.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I think that this is a real reckoning moment for
the United States because it just tells us how much
this country does, like we cannot stand up to Israel apparently,
and the damage to yeah, the leader, to Israel, the country,
and the uncalculable damage that it does to the US

(18:40):
diplomatic image abroad. So you know, that was my immediate
reaction is like, look, this isn't just a this isn't
about the attack. Okay, Doha and the Gulf, the UAE,
Saudi Arabia, their whole security strategy, hundreds of billions we
buy off the American political elite, and in exchange we
all forget about nine to eleven, you know, we all
just look the other way, etc. The governments, we protect them.

(19:03):
They produce the oil win win situation, right and or
at least win for them. But now they're being shown
in broad daylight. You can be struck. Your sovereignty can
be violated. We will not do a damn thing about it.
And so if you put that diplomacy also, you know,
I don't think it's an accident that, at the very

(19:23):
same time the United States tries to have at least
some diplomatic solution, that Israel comes in and bombs. Why
would you believe this Because there's two options. Trump wasn't
told and he's not going to do anything about it,
or Trump was told any green lit the attack.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Both are just like the Iran situation.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
We're negotiating with Iran, We're supposed to have a meeting
and then we bomb them, or Israel bombs them, and
then we bomb them a little bit later. So is
it any wonder why Putin comes to America, has a
diplomacy session and anchorage with Trump and then immediately flies
to China. No, because he's like, I'm not going to
take anything you say, seriously.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
It's not flying drone over Poland exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, that happened this morning. He's like, I don't believe you.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
The only thing that matters here is strength, the ability
to project it. I will win on the battlefield, and
you will reconcile yourself to it.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I will not buckle.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Same with Mody. We hit them with fifty percentI. Mody's like, okay, fine,
I'm flying to Beijing. You know, I'm going to go
and or Tangent, I think is where the Seo sum
it was. I'm going to post pictures with Putin. We're
gonna keep buying Russian oil America, take it or leave it.
We don't care anymore. And of course Mody gave up zero,
has given zero conciliatory action, and now Trump is posting

(20:35):
this morning, I'm having great conversations with my friend mister
Mody about resolving our trade tensions. They understand that, you know,
buying into American promises or security guarantees or diplomacy is
a fool's errand it can only be done on your
own terms from a position of strength. And these subjugated
states like the Gulf States and many others are demonstrating

(20:59):
to the world the security guarantee means nothing if Israel
is involved. And that's why I think that the NATO
stuff is not off the table. You know, everyone's talking
about Poland this morning and Russian drones and all of that.
It was a drone apparently, I think it was. I
don't exactly know the circumstances. The Polish and the Dutch
Air Force shot them down. It's definitely a crazy situation,

(21:20):
don't get me wrong. But they're not invoking Article five
and everyone's saying, oh, the NATO needs to stand strong again.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I genuinely ask the world, like.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
If Israel bombed Turkey, would America do anything about it,
especially if they invoked Article five. No, we would just
dissolve NATO. We all know that is that Apparently we
would pick Israel, a country which we have no treaty
obligation to defend, zero treaty appligation to defend, which is
some fifty something ranked in our trading partners of basic
zero consequence to US affairs, and we put it at

(21:49):
the top as if it's like the UK or something
like that. It's totally nuts. And yeah, I mean it's
like one of the you know, the critics are always like,
why are you so obsessed with Israel. I'm like, well,
a good government's obsessed with Israel. You know, we have
no choice but to cover all of this, at all
of this extraordinary like gangster type behavior, and just show

(22:11):
how it emasculates, humiliates, and undermines so many other US
strategic interests far more important than this country in the
Middle East.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
But it's not even just Israel.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Because how many times did we talk about Biden getting
absolutely rolled by Zelensky? How many times did Donald talk
about Biden getting absolutely rolled by Zelensky? And now you
see something a pretty similar dynamic playing out again. I
think Trump seemed genuinely surprised. There's no yeah, exactly, there's
no There's nobody in the Trump administration, I mean, aside

(22:40):
from a few people that actually would say, like, yes, Israel,
like this is our ideological position they should wipe out
this Hamas meeting and cutter like strike Doha do it.
Nobody was like absolutely in favor of that happening, save
maybe a handful of people work at the State Department
or something like that, where you have some of those
idea likes, maybe some of the people you've reported on soccer.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
But that's like the entire to your point that makes
it worse.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
What other ally would Donald Trump think about Donald Trump?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Would he react as he did yesterday?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's true.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
I mean, it's insane and it looks Remember all of
the people after the horrible, tragic Afghanistan withdrawal who were
saying these are some very hawkish people who were saying
this gave China permission to start making bigger plans in Taiwan.
This gave Putin permission to invade Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Who does this give permission to It's right, No, it
gives permission Israel to do whatever it wants, bombed like
five countries and literally this span of I'm not joking, but.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
You're also listening to Modi Hijinpang Putin like that is
I mean that if you're consistent about that point, it
is real.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I talked about Kim Jong un, same thing.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Kim Jong un flew to I think he flew to Beijing,
you know, for the National Military Parade, literally his first
ever like diplomatic conference outside of meetings with Donald Trump,
and he just doesn't care anymore about US words or
any of that. He's like, I'm going to keep my
nuwe because I'm just gonna keep doing whatever I want
to do. You can live with it or not. We
don't care anymore, all right, I mean that's really the response.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
But we're gonna take.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
They don't take. But that didn't even work, did it.
You know, we do not even on the path to
get that done. So yeah, it's just it's dramatically undermining
the US strategic position. It makes him look just like Israel.
You know, it makes you look like a bitch. Yeah,
it makes you look just like Biden, who was also
humiliated by this country over and over again. I'm just
like waiting for I never thought I would say this.
I'm waiting for somebody to be like Bill Clinton and

(24:31):
just say who's the superpower here?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Right? I mean, why is this so on?

Speaker 3 (24:35):
You know?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
George W.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Bush even criticized Israel's military. What happened to this country.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
That was not that that was in the year two
thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Ari Fleischer criticized Israel from the White House podium. You know,
I mean, what is what has happened? And uh well,
I think I know the answer anyway. That's Maybe it
fits with the next part, isn't it. Maybe this is
a good transition to real Epstein block. So let's get
into it, shall we. All right, we're gonna turn to

(25:07):
the Epstein story now. The White House continues to insist
that the story is a hoax, specifically only that Trump's
signature in the birthday book was a hoax, but that
not all of it is a hoax.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
But the entire thing is also kind of a hoax.
So here's what they had to say.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
What is the theory since these documents came from the
Epstein estate, who is I guess, in your view, baking
these doctor.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
I did not say the documents are a hoax. I said,
the entire narrative surrounding Jeffrey Epstein right now that is
absorbing many of the liberal cable channels on television is
a hoax that is being perpetuated by opportunistic democrats like
Rocanna and the others whom you saw on that press
conference outside of Capitol Hill, who are trying to push

(25:51):
this hoax against the President of the United States.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
What exactly is the hoax? I'm just trying to understand
what's fake. What's fake is not the doctor.

Speaker 8 (25:58):
The hoax is the Democrats pretending to care about victims
of crime when they do not care about victims of crime,
when they have done nothing to solve crimes, when they
have done nothing to lock up child pedophiles and child
rapists across the country, and when they are now using
victims as political props to try and again smear the
President of the United States and drag on this bad
story about him.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
It is a distraction.

Speaker 8 (26:20):
The Democrats view this story as nothing more than an
attempt to distract from the accomplishments and the achievements of
this administration. And that is what we mean when we
call it a hoax.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
That's what they mean when they call it a hoax. Okay,
all right, got it interesting?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
All right?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
So we use that as a segue because we were
not able to fully go through the entire book.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I have now read the entire book.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Emily and I and We've curated a bunch of images here.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
This is from one hundred and thirty eight pages.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Two hundred and thirty eight pages.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
It took me a couple hours to go through everything
and to scrutinize it, and so I have collated I
think it's sixteen of some of the most crazy images,
and also just to demonstrate to you the degenerate life
style that this man lived out in the open amongst
the richest and most powerful people in the world, and
to which they not only thought it was funny, but
that many of them were quote in on the joke,

(27:09):
and basically all of the letters were written to keep
in mind, these are not like frat boys you know,
who are sixteen seventeen years old. They're like fifty sixty
year old men right at a certain point, who are
all making like truly disgusting jokes and letters and all
these other things acknowledging his degenerate behavior.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
So which, by the way, a lot of this does
undermine the testimony that Gyln Maxwell.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Oh, we'll get to that, don't worry about. Yeah, we're
going to get to that.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Glaine has got a lot of explaining to do in
terms of her sworn testimony that just come out from
the birthday book itself. So let's start with image number one.
Let's just give everybody a taste of Epstein. Yeah, trigger warning,
I guess I should have say beforehand. So there's a
photo on the left there of Epstein and his bros
all wearing Speedos or Teddy White, whatever that you want

(27:57):
to say, and then recreating image together. Shout out to
the guy on the right who actually did keep his
boxers on for the recreation image where Epstein just you know,
hanging out with the guys together recreating images some thirty
years later, all of us in our tidy whities and
in our underwear for the camp. Very normal behavior that

(28:20):
middle aged action, not even middle age fifty year old
ten are engaging in, right, So just give me a
little taste. This comes from the friends section of the book,
the early friends, the people who he grew up with,
the Brooklyn, the Brooklyn.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
So the book is Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
So there's a table of contents for this two hundred
and thirty eight page book that Glenn Maxwell put together,
and the pages that the House Oversight Committee.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Released are scans, that's right, with some redactions.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
So the chapters start with prologue family Brooklyn, then it
goes to girlfriends, then it goes to children, which we're
going to get to that entire All of the names
there are redacted. We have some information Slacker's been chasing
it down. But that picture is from the Brooklyn section
of the book, which I don't know about you, Sager.
I mean, you're very deep in epstein mythology. But this book,

(29:08):
even just the Brooklyn section, even just hearing reflections from
some of his friends on Jeffrey Epstein's early life, his upbringing,
his accordion playing, I actually think we got substantially more
information about Jeffrey Epston's personal biography.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, So just to explain a little bit, there's been
a lot of questions about who Epstein was before Dalton.
You know, we focus on the Dalton School and where
he is this teacher who's never graduated from college.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
He's hired by Bill Barr's father to teach math.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
We know that he was chasing young girls even as
a teacher at age twenty three, so it's kind of
a question and you're like, hey, you know, where do
these predilections come from?

Speaker 5 (29:42):
And yes, by the way, he was likely hired by
Bill Barr's father. We can go down that rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
But yeah, we could do, thank you.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
But prior to that, there's kind of a black hole
about Epstein. We know he grew up there in Brooklyn,
we don't really know a lot about what he did.
What comes out from the book is that even when
he's a teenager, him and his friends are all reminiscing
about their wild sexual escapades. Not I mean, look, I'm
not even gonna read it like it's so graphic. I
can't literally cannot be saw some of this stuff. It's wild,

(30:11):
I mean, and it's one of those where you're like, oh,
so even as a teenager, you and your friends were
engaged in like very predatory, creepy behavior. I'm going to
get to some of the images just to show you guys,
some of the jokes that they were thrown around. I
did think it was important. Let's put the next one
up on the screen. Very early in the book, we
see this image of a woman who is posed there

(30:32):
with Jeffrey Epstein and the caption is, quote, he is
the boyfriend of X.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Quote. We think he works for the CIA. So why
does that matter?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Because it's exactly in those very early days, and I
focus on this in the Epstein mythology, that his initial
interactions with intelligence, or at least appear to be interacted
with Intelligence's a limited amount of evidence for this seemed
to come to the surface, and that is his interactions
with these arms dealers, where he allegedly, according to their testimony,

(31:02):
got on a private plane to the Pentagon and was
engaged in sketchy financial transactions, all of which are involving
people like Robert Maxwell and the Koshoge family. You know,
so many of these others who are basically high financier
cutouts for different states like Israel, Saudi Arabia and other
Some of it is also linked back to Iran contra,
just to give you an example. And it's in these

(31:23):
early days that I don't think it's a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
We think he works for the CIA, even though Glaine said, oh,
he would never do that, and then they put it
in I would have known, And then of course they
put it in the book, and maybe it was a joke.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Maybe it was a joke. I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
All right, so let's continue, shall we to the children's
section of the book again, where these predilections are just
like out in the open. I literally don't even know.
I mean, I don't have any.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Words for this stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Like it's like, here comes the bride, all dressed in white.
You know, where's the groom and his ladies? Where is
the reminder work on his binder in the glory? What
does that say of his dog? Like it's this is
literally a children's like rhyme image that was drawn for
him by a literal child. We don't know exactly the

(32:09):
name because it's redacted actually in the book, but this
is for some reason meaningful to him in this birthday book,
could be a relative. Like again, it's not all that explained.
It's creepy, it's weird. The bride, you know, what is
the mythology the symbology of this And if you're all
familiar with some of the you know the I really

(32:29):
hesitated to like go in. But if you ever watch
True Detective season one, right, you know the idea of
the child bride and all that is, it's like deep
in the lore of a lot of the way that
these guys act. And I'm not making this stuff up.
Let's put the fourth image here on the screen. I
mean again, trigger warning. Okay, thankfully some of it as censored.
But this is a small child girl who somebody's you know,

(32:52):
family member, I guess parents submitted to the book of
her like posing suggestively in pajamas, playing the piano. Keep
the piano in mind. It continues to like recycle throughout
the book.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
And you go ahead, Well.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
If you're just listening to this, yeah, and you're not
seeing the poses that this girl is in. There's one
where she's sort of popping her hip out right.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's like hyper sexual image of a young girl.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Right, So if someone is trying to you know, if
we're steel manning the Epstein defenders who say, maybe it's
a niece. No, maybe it's I mean, even if it is,
it's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Look as the father of a young girl. Now, I
just I whoever did this, you're sick. I mean, you
should be prosecuted. But let's continue, I mean, more more photos. Okay,
let's go to the next one, saying that a presumably
young child holding a teddy bear. These are all being
included in the book. I don't know exactly what that
image on the right is. Potentially it's Epstein or somebody

(33:50):
else with the child laying in bed. But I mean again,
you know, these are really disgusting images in the context
of some of the things that we know about Epstein
from this point forward. So this then fits very importantly
again with his early upbringing and with his friends. So
let's go to the next one, because here this is
a little joke between Epstein and his friends. So this

(34:11):
is a photo again for those who are just listening,
of Epstein and his friend. One is wearing a ski mask.
The guys were holding a knife in his hand. Epstein
is what is that pantyhise is wearing over his face,
and they're posing, and the caption is written quote. Finally,
at the home of our friend, let's call him mister Brown,
Jeffrey unveiled his plan. To some it may have seemed

(34:32):
to get rich quick scheme, but to me it was
pure genius. Rob and kill was the name of the plan.
The first victim blank to be attacked and brutally plundered.
Would she want more than that?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Question?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Mark on the boardwalk in Venice Beach broad daylight. The
dastardly thieves were never caught. PostScript, I retired quote from
the life, but I recently read an article in New York,
which led Lee to believe my old friend mister E
had continued on and become an industry leader.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I just look, I know it's.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
A different time the two thousand I mean, I was
alive in two thousand and three, so were you. I
don't think it was all that different. I think that's
I don't think there's an internescent explanation for this. So like,
what is the implication exactly here that we used to
go around robbing and raping women like you know, with
masks on our face.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
This is the sign we're joking.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Of sick, degenerate individuals at the very least, and potentially
much larger criminal behavior. And it's that context of who
he was amongst all of his friends and others which
becomes relevant as we start to get into the richest
and most powerful people in the world, which gets to
our next one. Let's put it up there please on
the screen. So here we have a letter on the

(35:46):
occasion of Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday, a VF.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I haven't fully deciphered this.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
There's a key in the book, The Vanity Fairs.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
All right, So vanity, okay, that's what it is. Right,
So VFPC is something to be. A VFPC is something
to say. A liver, a lover, A jeff a Jeffrey,
let's all give a cheer for today is his fifty
five decades?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I are half century.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
By birds and bucks, C and M's are his key
blonde red or Brunette's spread out geographically with his net
a fish. Jeff's now the old man and the sea,
teaching math, trading options or foreign currency, green eye shades,
schemes and plans, a unique tax strategy, wet dream. And
I can't read that in architects, wildspree, Moscow, Paris, Santa

(36:30):
fe Alhambra, East Jamboree.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Let's go to the next part.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Maxwellian delight, a mother's treasure, great joy, most surely Harvidian
patron brain researcher for extending. I can't read that right there, outrageous, iconoclastic, unconventional,
spirit free, best of all, A dear friend, Happy birthday, Jeffrey,
love and kisses Leon Black.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Okay, that's Leon Black, who.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Is one of the richest, most powerful people in the
state or in the city of New York. Equity Giant
paid Jeffrey Epstein. Some one hundred and seventy million dollars.
Most of us don't really know why he's joking here
about the Vanity Fair poster child.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I guess the VFPC.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
They're all joking about the fact that Vanity Fair of
course included him on that cover in two thousand and three,
where that just scratched the surface of some of his predilections.
But unfortunately, a lot of the most damning reporting was
actually buried after threats and others were made against Graydon
Carter and the reporter who worked on that story, Vicky Ward,
has shown that she had so much of the Epstein

(37:31):
story even at that time, but that it was killed
after legal threats and by a lot of other stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
That was going on. Now let's go to the next one,
shall we.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
This is a quote Vanity Unfair cover featuring Nicole Kidman
that was included by Alan Dershwitz in his birthday letter
to Jeffrey.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
What does that say of wide right?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, well exactly, thank you. And that's where the piano
also cuts in here.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
They say, bring it on, Jeffrey, consume Jeffrey, intoxicate me, Jeffrey.
Nicole Kidman bears her soul, so it looks like what
Alan Dershwitz did is he like super imposed Epstein's name
onto a bunch of other captions that are there on there,
and says Jeffrey Epstein on the rampage, Jeffrey Epstein's bloody submurb,

(38:19):
Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart. Al Qaeda in South America,
financed by Epstein, financed by Epstein. Interesting, and they also say,
who was Jack the Ripper? Was it Jeffrey Epstein. So
that's the Vanity Unfair image wow by Alan Derschwitz. Meanwhile,
he's harassing Perogi sellers on the island of Martha's Vineyard.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
No, he's holding them accountable, holding.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Them accountable for their anti Semitism.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
This is attached with a note from Dershwitz that says,
Dear Jeffrey, as a birthday gift to you, I managed
to obtain an early version of the Vanity Unfair article.
I talked them into changing the focus from you to
Bill Clinton, as you will see from the enclosed excerpt,
Happy birthday and best regards.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
So then Dershowitz is acting.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Like it's a funny joke to then say he got
Vanity Fair to focus on Bill Clinton.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Like, haha, Vanity Fair is so mean to.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Jeffrey Epstein thinks he's involved in all of this stuff,
but actually it's Bill Clinton. Here's a funny joke, your
friend Bill Clinton from Islanders.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
So funny, especially because Clinton was also included in the book.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Absolutely yeah, absolutely, all right.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
So let's go to the next one. As you can
all see here, put the on the screen. So here
you say, leaving you with home interesting friends to entertain instead.
This is part of a ten page letter with images
that was submitted by Jonathan Lord Jonathan Mendelssohn. Sorry, I
don't want to Peter Mendelssohn, Sorry, Peter Mendlssoon. I mean

(39:42):
is who is the UK ambassador to the United States, right,
literally the Baron Mendelssohn, who is a senior labor figure
and the current UK ambassador.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
He says, I regret all of.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
My previous interactions with Epstein. That's his defense basically, So
this is the current ambassa. All right, let's go to
the next one. This is where things start to get
really disturbing, and this is where you start to see
these cartoon images and others where we're just making open
reference to the jet and to girls and hanging out.

(40:18):
This is submitted by someone named Joel. The table of
contents seems to indicate that it is Joel Pashaw, who
is a real estate developer, former friend apparently Donald Trump.
You guys all sig him yesterday in the image of
the check from Trump that was given to Epstein for
a depreciated woman. But you know, to be honest, some

(40:40):
of the creepier stuff comes from him. Let's go to
the next one. This is, I mean, just such an
insane photo. It's like a cartoon drawing of Epstein grooming
young girls in the year nineteen eighty three, and then
all of them massaging him in the year twenty and three,
twenty years later. Says what a great country. Je tattooed
on one of their asses, literally scantily clad in a bikini,

(41:03):
presumably either on an island or somewhere. Some people were
saying it might be mar Lago. They're actually not one
hundred percent sure whether it is. That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
There's a building.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
There's a building in a background with palm trees. I
could see it, but it also could have been Little
Saint James's Island retreat. This is actually what I found interesting.
So this was a world news joke headline included and
it says international everyman of history revealed as an alien
in disguise. Strange beings from a planet near distance, star
hatch sinister plot to corner choice real estate on Earth.

(41:34):
They all exhibit curious aversion.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
To food and wine. And then what's that last one? Say?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Ex President taken in presumably mister Bill Clinton.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And then let's get to this.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Image that I've been I've been kind of obsessing about
this image and maybe if you guys can all help me.
And this is what I mean about the piano becoming
a recurring motif in the Epstein book. So this looks
like it was written by or drawn by a child,
and I'm still trying to figure it all out. So basically,
it shows a person playing piano in the center. All

(42:10):
of these pink things are presumably chairs that the audience
is like encircled around. But the creepy part is this girl,
presumably a girl who is there drawn in gold, who
is at the center of the floor. Now, some innocent
explanation people were saying was that she's performing.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
It doesn't look like she's performing to me. Emily.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
It looks like she's laying on the ground like prostrate,
potentially injured. I don't know what it is. The person
who signed this, I won't say their name. I have
We've desperately been trying to locate this individual down there
at the bottom. We don't know who this guy is.
I have some indication actually could have been drawn by
a child. It was included in the children's section.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
It certainly looks like it was drawn.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
It looks like it was drawn by a child. I
can't say one hundred percent, but it does look that way.
I mean, I don't know this and his explanation for this,
and you can probably see whatever you want to see.
Some people saying, oh, it's just a piano recital, but
there's so many there's this weird piano recurring motif throughout
the birthday book. And the reason why I think that's
relevant is because of the most famous scene from Eyes
White Shut where they're literally playing a piano during their

(43:15):
like sex call. And look, I know, I sound crazy,
I sound crazy. Yeah, there's in a ballroom right exactly,
and I'm you know, some of the other stuff is
not there, like the masks and all of that and
maybe there is an innocent explanation. As I said, I
would love to get in contact with the person who
drew this. I put out a call on social media
to do so. If you are in touch with this person,

(43:35):
please tell them to contact me, because I would like
to hear what the explanation and the circumstances that led
to the inclusion of this in the book are. It's
just so unspeakably creepy, this entire thing, and the open
acknowledgment from all the friends about his predilections, the drawing,
the images. They all knew, right, It's like a Weinstein thing.

(43:57):
They didn't just know. It was not just open secret,
it was an acknowledged thing between all of them. Yeah,
it was a joke what they were all up to.
Let's continue to the next one. Here you have one
of Epstein's girlfriends. She says, visiting you down in Palm
Beach quote, can't get a second of privacy with you

(44:18):
and the camera around haha. And she includes a photo
of her scantily clad her face is blurred out there. Look,
I mean presumably, and this is kind of what Tracey
and other defenders have said. It's like, look, a lot
of these people were there voluntarily.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I mean, maybe she was.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
But the kind of the point that I take away
from that is the camera there being present, and also
all of these pictures that presumably these guys are all
taking with each other making a joke about the Trump
check about you know, the one of him in his
underwear with his bros. The one of him with his
friend in the scheme ask.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
This is a picture of him in the book. His
penis is redactive.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
And there's also a picture of Blaine, you know, without
wearing her top on. So it's like this guy had
a predilection for the camera. He had a predilection for documentation, right,
And that's one of the things that a lot of
people have focused on. They have said, oh, we don't
have a lot of the images, the tapes don't exist,
right from the FBI and all of that. It's like, well,
you know, there's by the way, Glen Maxwell said.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I know every inch, I know every inch of those properties.
I built them, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
And you know, it took me two seconds to find
photos of surveillance cameras in Epstein's bedroom, all around the
Manhattan townhouse. It was part of the original police report
back in two thousand and nineteen, and here they are
some of his girlfriends joking about it in the birthday book.
Oh can't get a moment of privacy because there's always
a camera around. Ye right, okay, So I'd like to
see some of that. Go to the next one, shall
we What do we have here? So again, remember this

(45:43):
back in two thousand and three. This is the last one.
This is from one of the girlfriends. She said before Jeffrey,
it was a twenty two year old Deboresay, this is
the part I picked after Jeffrey. I now live in
New York City. Have it traveled to Paris, London, Miami, Milan, Copenhagen, Tokyo,
Hong Kong, stock Holm, all the other great places.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
It's just a year in Sager's life.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, I wish, you know, except for New Mexico. I
don't know why New Mexico.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
No New Mexico spot.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I wouldn't put out there with Saint John or Moscow,
Saint Petersburger, assmen.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
That's just me, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
I don't think I put Rwanda there either.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, Rwanda, right, okay.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
But the last one, the next paragraph, I have met
Prince Andrew, President Clinton, the Sultan of Brunei, who by
some accounts as the richest person in the world, Donald Trump,
Antonio Varglass, Naomi Campbell, Stephanie Seymour, Peter Brant, Kevin Spacey,
Chris Tucker, Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, brilliant scientists, lawyers and

(46:35):
business men. I have flown on the Concord, gone skydiving.
I have seen the private quarters of Buckingham Palace, sat
on the Queen of England's throne, rode on a racetrack
with Max Pepee, and I've learned countless skills. So that
is what you could find yourself at the center of

(46:55):
with Epstein. I mean, look, we got a lot more
questions than answers in my opinion. So what we really see,
I think from this is the acknowledgment of his degenerate
lifestyle from the entire elite that was around him. That
letter about all the people that his twenty two year
old girlfriend or what Isa was able.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
To meet sit on the Queen's throne.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
There's that famous photo of Gaalaine and Kevin Spacey sitting
on the throne right after having a private tour arranged
for them by Prince Andrews. Sas as she met Prince Andrew,
who says, oh, I never had anything to do with him.
Gallaine vociferously defended Prince Andrew in her sworn testimony and
the final one, which guys, we're going to add this
in post, but it is a letter from Elliott Wolk

(47:41):
and to me, it's actually the most one of the
most significant for the Intelligence ties. And it says, Jeffrey,
I remember in the mid nineteen seventies you being a
star salesman for our tax advantage strategies and hedged options program. Okay,
and what does he continue on? He says, I was
running an account. Bob Maxwell, you always had the ability

(48:02):
to know everyone and be charming. Was that when you
first discovered the Maxwell teenage daughter dot dot dot dot dot.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Happy birthday, Elliott Walk.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Elliott Wolke, just so everyone knows, is a former bear
Stearns executive. His work his letter was included after Ace Greenberg,
the CEO legendary Wall Street CEO A Screenberg who hired
Jeffrey Epstein after meeting him at the Dalton School and
this direct look, I mean, it's not confirmation that that's
when they met, but Gallaine's sworn testimony is that Epstein

(48:32):
never met her father and they had no connection zero. Right,
That's what she said to Todd Blant. It's under oath
in her sworn testimony.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Also she says that she met him, what is in
the nineties, after she had some social fallout with her
father and moved to New York. Well, here you have
Elliott Wolke openly insinuating that he met Glane when she
was a teenager.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
And Glaine put us in the book by Glane put
this in the book.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
That's right, Glaine put this in the book and quote,
I was running an account for Boga.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
This is one of the things I've been trying to
hammer home.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
To be this is how he got involved with Maxwell
Koshogi and all these other folks. By the way, we're
openly acknowledging, at least in the Kashogi one of being
in the orbit of the Epstein advisors and others, the
Jay Epstein company. And if you put this together with
that New York Times piece that we covered yesterday about
the hundreds of millions of dollars some billions of dollars

(49:20):
in transactions run through JP Morgan's, the state openly that
they were acknowledging for human trafficking purposes.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
You could see why.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Somebody with a vast financial network who knows the global
financial elite is a convenient money manager, will be very
useful to any global intelligence agency, Okay, and then also
why that usefulness could potentially come in handy whenever you
get caught up in a Palm Beach County affair in
two thousand and seven that goes federal and you get

(49:49):
the sweetheart deal, the non prosecution agreement back in two
thousand and seven. So I think that, I know is
really gross, but I thought it was important that we
go through. I didn't even include some of the most
briskuts up there because I literally can't read it to you.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that's the tone of
the book. I just really recommend that if you are
interested in this case, you take the time to go
through the book as most as you as most of
you can, as as much of it as you can.
It'll take an hour or two, but it gives you
a sort of opportunity like a window into Epstein's life
and social circle, and even just soaking in the tone

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of the book. As disgusting as it is, I mean,
one of the things that Soccer didn't read is a
letter from Johnny boy.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Kafka, Oh, I know exactly what letter this says.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
He and it's.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
It's a way that I can't imagine talking to another
human being this way, let alone putting it in writing
and wanted it compile or asking for it to become
into a leather bound book.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
And I'm just gonna do a little bit of it here.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Fifty years old, you really have had a pretty amazing life,
amazing because of where and when it started.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Paula and Seymour effing.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Of course, it says the real thing there, who was
there to tell him where to stick?

Speaker 3 (50:59):
It?

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Keeps on going? Uses this sea word about Epstein's.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Mother in a joke letter to Epstein on his fiftieth
fiftieth birthday, making a joke about his mother's sea word.
Who talks like that? And it is yeah, that's right,
and it is over and over again. I mean, it
goes in the even more.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
From that.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
But who talks like that to their friend, puts it
in writing for a leatherbound scrap book on their fiftieth birthday.
I mean, it's just bizarre to see the juvenile the
combination of juvenile things like happy barf Day, like it's
a teenage yearbook, combined with the jokes about plundering women,

(51:47):
the jokes about violence, naked pictures of Jeffrey Epstein, an
entire chapter that's titled children.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
And sager this to me.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
So the Wall Street Journal reports sourcing originally of the
Trump picture, which now there are handwriting analyzes going on.
The White House that said they would welcome a handwriting
analyzes because they're denying that is Donald Trump's signature. Trump
has said maybe someone else signed his name, said attributed
it to him. That poem has always seemed enormously creepy.

(52:19):
That poem also fits in perfectly with the tone of
this book, where you have people like Lord Peter Mandelson,
Leon Black, Glene Maxwell herself speaking cryptically in very odd,
sort of cheeky language about very dark stuff. And you've
gone through some of the examples, but this is also

(52:40):
just the entire book is infused.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah, I picked eighteen pages out of two hundred and
thirty eight pes Okay, there's a million that I could
have picked that are these are just the most This
just to give everybody, like the biggest flavor in case
you don't have the time, Well, yeah, if you want
to go through it. It's really it's literally littered. The
piano thing. It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
I don't know what is up with the piano.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Here's what I understood years ago after from a woman
Blaine came to Palm Beach Horse Show looking for what
I thought was a horse that she was on a
mission for a collection of breast photos, a compilation, of course,
for you. I came to say you some months later,
and you told me to take my top off with
the usual Epstein smile. You looked at my breasts and said, yeah,
I was right. And it just goes on and on.
And the only reason I brought that one up, Sager,

(53:23):
is because, to your point, this is just a handful
of examples from two hundred and thirty eight pages. The
tone of the entire book is not Happy birthday, Jeffrey.
Here is some fun memories that we had together. It's
happy birthday, Jeffrey. You love sex.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Love. There's a couple of pictures of animals having sex.
Did you see these?

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Which is a lion mounting a female lioness who seems
to not want it. And this is a joke that's
the entire book.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Entire book, yeap, very important to note and look like
we said, we're going to continue to follow it, but
it is, you know, it's I always try to move
away from the stuff about oh, global pedophile, elite, etc.
Because I'm like, Okay, well I think there's a lot
of conspiracy around that, but we don't. The intelligence story
is the one that I'm the most focused on, because

(54:12):
that's what I think. God, But then you read this book, man,
and you're like, oh man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
I kind of look at this and I just see
this open flavor. I mean, am I just lame?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Like when somebody at me to wish a friend happy birthday,
go hey man, happy but love you.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
You said it. Love and kisses Leon.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Love you brother. Keep you know that's all you say.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I can't think of anything else, you know, congratulations on
having a kid or whatever like. That's that's the extent
to which my communications are with my friends. I have
never seen any of this type of stuff before. It
is a window into the most depraved, degenerate type of behavior.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
And yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
For putting this whole thing out there. It's because now
when you read the original wall Street Journal story where
the sourcing is unclear. It sounds like what they got
it from in the journal story is we know that
it was in the DJ records, So it sounds like
that original Journal story, which by the way, came out
I think the day before or after Murrien Komi left
that Department of Justice. But you know, we don't know

(55:17):
anything definitive in that space, but it sounds like it
came from DOJ files and someone leaked it. Well, this
came straight from the Epstein estate. So for Trump, he's
then going to have to contend either this was always
a fake letter from Donald Trump or someone slipped it
into whatever the Epstein estate has to frame him, slipped
a fake letter in whatever the Epstein Estate has to

(55:40):
frame him. So that's the argument he now has to confront,
which is not an easy argument to make.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
But also Soccer, I just think.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
It the Wall Street Journal. I don't want to second
guess them Monday Morning quarterback necessarily, but I kind of
do actually want to second guess them.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
With the picture itself, that story would have been.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
They should have released the picture.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
My only theory on why they didn't is that their
source said that you can't do it.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
That's or they didn't see it, or they have it.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
So there's there's a couple. There's a couple of ways
that this stuff kind of happens. Just so people know.
One of the things is sometimes people don't want to
leak you a direct document. The reason why is that
it's like that Reality winner. Remember, so there's metadata. Sometimes
these scans have identifying images, so they'll say, Okay, I'll
describe it to you, but I won't actually give you
the image, or I'll give you the image, but you
can't print it. So my only theory for why they

(56:29):
could not have released it is only because their source told.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Them not to do. There's a lot of questions of
whether it came to the GoJ.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I kind of think it came from Gallaine Maxwell because
a lot of this not only was part of the
Epstein estate, but people will know that some of the
photos from the book were part of the Gallaine Maxwell trial,
which means it could have been attached as an exhibit
and were made available in discovery to the Gallaine Maxwell team,
who of course could easily or trying to leak and

(56:56):
send you know, shots across the bow at the Trump administry,
which you know, means that they might get their sweetheart
transfer to a nice little facility. So it couldn't come
from a lot of different places. But now it's out there,
and it's out there, and I think the people, all
the people in the book should have to answer. You know,
some of them, a lot of them are just so filthy,
rich and old at this point. They're like buried behind

(57:19):
their walls in Palm Beach. They won't answer any questions.
They've just you know, like Les Wexner and others, they've
erected walls, or they don't do any public interviews.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
They've issued one statement five years ago. They refer back
to it, but it shouldn't go away.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
But there are dozens of names in this book. There
are so many pictures, there's so many more biographical details
about the earliers of Jeffrey Epstein's life and the middle
years of Jeffrey Epstein's life that it's a great example
of why releasing the files with redactions appropriate redactions. We
don't know whether these redactions you know, are too far
or whatever, but appropriate redactions opens the story up and

(57:55):
there are going to be so many threads that are
pulled at just over the next few days, over the
next few years, about trying to piece together that will
help us get closer to the truth. So it's a
good thing that we have access to this agreed sadly.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
All right, we'll continue to monitor and we'll keep you
guys updated