9/5/25: Trump TERRIBLE Jobs Report, Hidden Cam Epstein List Honeypot Exposes DOJ

Krystal, Ryan, Emily and Griffin take a look at the new bleak jobs reports for Trump, James O'Keefe catching with the DOJ chief on a hidden cam about the Epstein client list, and the grilling of RFK Jr. over his new moves at the CDC.

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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Morning everybody, Happy Friday.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Happy Friday, huge, huge Eagles dog for Ryan last night.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Congrats on that.

Speaker 6 (00:38):
Are you in Philadelphia now.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
I'm in Philly.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm here at the Residence end, coming to your lives
from the residence.

Speaker 7 (00:43):
In and I'm assuming you haven't slept and you were
just partying on Broad Street all night?

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Yeah, I was coming street. Polls, everything amazing, rioting.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
They're going to send in the National Guard now for you.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
It's coming.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Gotcha. Sounds justified, sounds entirely.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Ye of the It's also a big jobs report Friday.
So we've got some some numbers off the top. We've
got James O'Keeffe breaking some Epstein news, which was interesting surprising. Yeah,
I mean, I guess maybe not surprising because he has
been interested in the past, right, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
He's the one who got Pam Bondi on the tape
saying that they were going through all of the videos
and it was all child content and that was just
a couple of months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Isn't he also the one that did the Amy Roeboch
like yes, yeah, hot Mike talking about like I had
it all about Prince Andrew. I had the whole story
and they wouldn't let me do it, and then it
was him too.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
So interesting there.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
We've also got clips in the RFK junior hearing, which
I haven't actually watched those yet, have you guys? Did
you guys pay close attention to it yesterday?

Speaker 7 (01:51):
I casually, I casually watched it and I couldn't avoid
it too.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Just you're gonna love it, Crystal.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You can get my reaction live Griffin. Were you closely
plugged in with that one? I know you're a big
RFK fan.

Speaker 9 (02:06):
It was hard, It was kind of hard to avoid
it was filtering through the through the day, but you
know it did. The tenor of these is kind of
always the same. Everyone screams at him, he screams back,
it's it's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
And then we've got in the premium portion, we're going
to take a look at Barry Weiss's incredibly justified valuation
of hundreds of millions of dollars for the Free Press.
So that'll be great. Congrats to her job, Well done, Ryan.
I don't know what you guys are doing a drop site,
but you know, just definitely clearly not providing the value
of ms Weiss.

Speaker 9 (02:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
Well, I guess there's ABC and NBC are left, so it's.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
Jockeying for you know who they're going to try to buy.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right, Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure you're high on that list.
You know, a really value journalism right up there.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
On that whiteboard.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
And then also we'll probably take a look at Zorah
and is challenging Trump to a debate, which I think
is kind of I like the energy of that. I
think it's very smart play since Trump has decided to
meddle directly in the race, so.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
I would love that who wouldn't love that. Trump would
love it.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, yeah, moderate, we'll moderate before we jump in. There
was also so there is a story put out that
claims to have found a mirror or a boot is
what they're saying. His uh, his actual nickname is the
boy that the GCHF whistleblower Anthony Aguilar, who we just
had on you guys had on this week, The boy

(03:30):
that he claimed to have seen shot dead. They're claiming
that they found him. So in an attempt to sort
through all of this and find out where, you know,
if he is in fact safe and sound, which would
of course be incredible, or whether they are once again
lying because they did in the past put out another
picture that they claimed to be a mirror, which turned
out to be false. We are We've invited the GHF

(03:51):
spokesperson on Monday. They reached out to us. We said,
we'll have you on the show. We've also have Tony
Anthony Aguilar book to come back on and also respond
to their claims from his perspective. So we have a
potentially very newsworthy and you know, very significant show planned
for Monday. But in case you guys are wondering why
we're not digging into that story today. It's because we're

(04:13):
working on planning all of that and locking all of
that in. Yeah, all right, with that being said, should
we jump into the jobs reports, Griffin, you want to
pull up some elements for us.

Speaker 9 (04:24):
Let's see how it's going. Guys. Payrolls rose twenty two
thousand in August, less than expected, in further sign of
hiring slowdown.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I mean, this is one of these weird ones, Ryan,
where it's like, the numbers are really bad. Twenty two
thousand is a very bad jobs number in terms of
overall creation. They say they increase just twenty two thousand.
Unemployment rate rose to four point three percent. If you
scroll down, you can also see revision showed a net
loss now of thirteen thousand in June after a previous

(04:57):
estimate was lowered once again. That was what led to
the controver last time, when Trump decided to fire the
BLS head because he didn't like the numbers that came out.
He didn't like the revisions of the previous reports that made,
you know, his tenure look pretty bad. And then the
other part of this that's weird though, is the markets
are actually reacting positively because they think that this will

(05:18):
spur the Federal Reserve to cut rates, so they're in
a sense happy that the jobs numbers are really bad.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
The irony for Trump has been that he has desperately
been demanding a rate cut, you know, since his election,
but the economy was a little bit too strong to
justify a rate cut, and so Trump has methodically gone
about dramatically weakening the economy across the board. And so
he's he's bringing about the conditions necessary to create the

(05:49):
thing that he wanted, which is this this eventual rate cut.
So I guess congratulations to him if he you know,
if he drives the economy even further into the ground,
then he can get even more significant rate cuts down
down the line.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
So yeah, I guess impressive.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
The New York New York Times had a couple uh
interesting pieces yesterday that are finally picking up on the
damage that that the tariffs and the and and his
kind of global trade war doing. John Deere, well, I
don't know if you saw this, Levi's was warning. I
didn't see that that there that that their global sales
are at significant risk because of the perception of the

(06:32):
United States. Wow, like the thing that that really drove
a lot of American American soft power is that even
when they hated our foreign policy, and even in countries
that hated our foreign policy, they loved our artists, hip
hop hip hop artists, they loved our movies, loved our
brands like in particular, Levi's.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
The quintessential American brand, like.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Mc donald's yes, war right.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Right, and now.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
Yes, so Levi's in its uh in it's in its uh.
You know, quarterly calls saying, you know, big problem for
US is that people really don't like the United States anymore. Meanwhile,
China by this time usually will have locked in many,
many billions of dollars in purchases of soybeans. They have
currently locked in zero uh. Now China isn't buying that

(07:30):
they need the soybeans basically either from US or Brazil
or assortment of other places, but they're not buying them yet.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
And that has resulted in American farmers seeing like crop
prices plummet and not having any money to buy John
Deere tractors, and so John Deere is warning that you know,
their layoffs are going to continue, that their profits are
massively down, and they're also saying that they have spent
hundreds of millions of dollars on tariffs for aluminium steel manufacture,

(08:00):
that they're tractors that nobody has the money to buy.
So everything is collapsing, which is wonderful for Trump because
he wants the FED to cut interest rates. So the
mastermind at work is, yeah, getting what he wants well.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Of course, the question though is in part part of
the reason why the Fed hadn't cut rates is because
the economy didn't look too bad yet. The other reason
is that they're also worried that tariffs will be inflationary,
so they're worried if they cut rates then that will
further fuel inflation. And that concern remains because you still
have this you know, terff regime which has not been

(08:37):
you know, the maximal one that he had threatened to
put on, but is still quite significant and starting to bite.
And the other thing we covered yesterday was well, a
couple of interesting things. First of all, McDonald's CEO going
on CNBC and saying it's a two tier economy. People
making over one hundred grand. They're fine, they're you know,
invested in stock markets, stock markets going up, they're doing fine.

(08:58):
But our middle and lower income consumers. They're skipping meals,
they're skipping we're seeing you know, double that, he said,
double digit decline in those type of consumers, which, of course,
for McDonald's a significant part of their revenue base. And
he said specifically, they're skipping breakfast. Now, you know, I
guess there are better options out there for your breakfast

(09:18):
consumption than McDonalds. But listen, no hate with the mcgriddle, personally,
huge fan, but.

Speaker 9 (09:27):
They just added spicy biscuits.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay, cool, that's a little much for me in the morning. Though,
to be honest, to be changed everything, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
The Griddle change the way we've thought of food.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, and Sager's and mcgriddl hater of course figures buzzkill
about everything, but in any case, it was very significant coms.
The other thing that we covered yesterday that ties into
this too is Canary and the coal mine typically for
the American economy is black workers, and they're seeing unemployment
rates spike. And it's exacerbated additionally by all the cuts

(10:00):
to the federal government because the federal government has been
such an important part of the backbone of the of
the black middle class. So you have a lot of
you know, pretty dire warnings, and the stock market.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Might be happy about that.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Trump might be happy about the bad jobs numbers because
he might get he's probably going to get his rate cut.
But let's be clear, twenty two thousand jobs added in
a month is a really bad number.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
And the downward.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Revisions previously too, that made it so that June you
actually had negative net negative job creation. And in the
sectors where he claims to care the most, so manufacturing,
job creation has been down routinely for several months at
this point.

Speaker 9 (10:38):
Right before we get to Ryan, I just want to
Trump has a little statement here he says, don't worry
if some of the math isn't mathing. The real numbers
are coming out a year from now.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
And he's flanked here by Bill Gates and Zuckerberg.

Speaker 10 (10:51):
Jobs report coming out the first since the BLS commissioner
who you fired won't be there. A lot of people
will be turning to you to see if you believe
the data that's released.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Can you commit to say.

Speaker 11 (11:04):
The numbers, I don't know they come out tomorrow, but
the real numbers that I'm talking about are going to
be whatever it is. But we'll be in a year
from now, when these monsterus beautiful places, the palaces of genius,
and when they start opening up, you're seeing I think
you'll see job numbers that are going to be absolutely incredible.

(11:25):
Right now, it's a lot of construction numbers, but you're
going to see job numbers like our country has never
seen before.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
So this is ryan you were about to make a point.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
No, no, go ahead, because I'm going to look up whether
construction is down. It's construction has actually been down lately,
but I don't know if it was this month.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
I'll look at the well.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
So that's actually a very interesting comment for Trump because
rarely do you see a politician basically concede that you're
in charitably like an adjustment period, meaning you're going to
see less than rosy numbers. And I actually think just

(12:04):
hearing that from Trump indicates we should probably expect to
see pretty bad numbers. He is already planting the seeds
of that. And I mean this is where I mentioned
this a couple of times, but right before House Republicans
left for August recess, I was asking a few of them,
why were Trump? Why was Trump underwater? And polling on

(12:26):
the economy and over and over. They said the plan
was to pass one big beautiful bill in July so
that behind the midterms a year from then, the economy
will have adjusted and people will be feeling the big
beautiful bill and feeling the Trump surge and.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
All of that.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
So it looks like, again charitably from their perspective, that
that's what they're going to have to stick to, which
is the economy may not be great now, but it's
literally being built. So politically, as you go into a
midterm cycle, that's a hell of an uphill climb.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, well, time is running. I mean, the midterms will
be upon us before we know it, and you know,
those cakes are baked before election day and there's always
a lag too on. So let's presume, which I don't
think is a safe assumption at all, but that a
year from now things do look up and they're getting better,
and we go we've been through the desert and now
things are turning. It like, it takes a while for
people to people to feel that and for that to

(13:26):
be reflected in their in their voting choices as well.
So but on the other hand, I mean, he's just
also trying to rink the election, so he doesn't have
to really care what voters think about the economy or
any other issue.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
By the way, and.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
This is this is also reliant on his deportations. Then,
like black jobs is really interesting because that's what they
think will benefit, Like they actually think those are jobs
or those are potential job holders that will benefit from deportations.
That's part of their economic plan for you know, filling

(13:58):
those positions a.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
People are deported.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
So I mean, that's a pretty grim sign for them.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
So here's the So here are the numbers.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
And so Trump's argument there was, Okay, job numbers aren't
going to be great, but like a year from now,
when all of these companies have reshored their manufacturing, you
know they're going to be filled with American workers.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
And so what you're going to see.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
In the data now he's saying, is is some increase
in construction because obviously you've got to build all of
these gigantic factories that in his mind are are getting built.
But that's not what's happening. So I just looked this up.
So twenty two thousand jobs you know, overall, went up

(14:44):
this this month. Construction lost seven thousand. So that whole way,
that's even manufacturing lost twelve thousand.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
The construction job loss is even more stunning when you
consider how much money is being thrown at these giant
data centers which do require construction, and you know, are
going up in places across the country.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
So it means what am I here? What am I hearing?

Speaker 4 (15:10):
And there's the big beautiful bill was full of incentives
for construction, so like one hundred percent ride off dated
retroactive to January, and that passed in July, So going
down in August is also not ideal.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
So all all goods producing jobs across the board are
down twenty five thousand, Mining and logging down six thousand,
construction seven, manufacturing down twelve thousand, durable goods down nineteen thousand,
motor vehicles and parts down down seven thousand, wholesale trade
down eleven thousand. So the like the idea that you

(15:48):
can see in here, the beginnings of a manufacturing renaissance
that a year from now is going to blossom, is
just not borne out by the data. So I think
he's going to have to get this Cato guy out
of here and or whoever he brought in here and
find somebody who's going to give him some better numbers.
Oh maybe you just take these negatives actually and just

(16:09):
turn him into positives, Like it's not a lot of
work to fix this data.

Speaker 9 (16:13):
Well, people always are more fans of the late Renaissance
and the early Renaissance, Ryan, So I think you have
to hold out a little bit. But let's hear from
Fox Business about their view on this renaissance.

Speaker 12 (16:24):
You hear private payrolls coming in the expectation with seventy
five dolls and we got thirty eight thousand, and there
was a loss of sixteen thousand jobs in government, which
I think Lauren mentioned. But again, you know that's two thousand, Charles,
it's a it's a weaker than expected number, and these
revisions are pretty brutal.

Speaker 13 (16:41):
Yeah, extraordinarily, you know, going through I mentioned healthcare, thirty
one thousand to twelve month average was forty two thousand.
That had been obviously a massive driver, and we know
the demographic situation there just a little disappointed. Manufacturing was
hoping to maybe see something there. But it's just I
think for the most part, there was a with and
I'm sure there was. This might be right where the

(17:02):
whisper number is, and this is a sweet spot I
think from the markets perspective, we can see the major
averages are moving higher. It's not so bad that we're
think in recession, but it's bad enough that we think
maybe the fact could be much more accommodated beyond September.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah, and I'll add to that, they have modeled their
economic plan, or they have tried to soothe themselves about
the short term ramifications of their economic agenda by looking
at the recession that occurred early in the Reagan administration,
the first Reagan term.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
And so this idea that there may be a recession sounds, you.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Know, politically, very horrifying if you're the Republican Party going
into a midterm cycle.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
And of course that's true.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
But there's been this like balm they've applied since day one,
looking back at nineteen eighty one and where the economy
went and saying it's okay, we can get through it.
Ronald Reagan got through it this with this dramatic reorganization
of the economy. So that's been in the back of
their minds the whole time, actually really in the front
of their minds the whole time.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
So they actually believe, like they believe that hype I.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Think they absolutely.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
I mean, if you look at people like Steve Moore,
he's been around since those days, Larry Cudlow.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Absolutely well, I mean, we'll say, but I mean, the
other piece that is a problem for them is just
that the American people don't buy into their economic agenda
at all. So you know, that's if you're going to
do a short term pain for long term gain thing.

(18:40):
First of all, it means to actually deliver that long
term gain, which there are zero signs is going to happen.
As Ryan is pointing out, manufacturing, town construction down, black
unemployment up, like these are all the indicators that they
should be able to point to of like, oh, but
things are going to move in the right direction. We
can already see the impact. And so you don't even
have the potentient, you know, the likelihood of a long

(19:02):
term gain. But you have to have a public bought
in on that project if you're going to politically sell
some short term pain and there's no sign that you know.
I mean, the tariffs are one of the most unpopular
things that that Trump has done this term. And that's
saying a lot because there have been a lot of
unpopular things that have been done.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
Right, And these are numbers that were put in there
by the guy whose job it was to put in
good numbers, so you need to remember that. And also
they almost didn't get them out in time.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
There was all this drama.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, there was drama this morning. The BLS site wasn't
working and thirty minutes before the number drops and whatever this.

Speaker 7 (19:41):
Morning said something like, if we hadn't fired the person,
this would be a fireable offense.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Did he really Yes, that's okay. Wow country, incredible country
that we live in. Yeah, yeah, exactly, I mean.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
It.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Well, no, I was just gonna say, I think the
tariff uncertainty lingering into now August is pretty My read
on all.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Of this is that's just been devastating.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's not you know that this has to necessarily look
like this for a protectionist or an economy that is
looking to reorganize and be more protectionists.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
But I think the.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Way that we're now into fall and there's enormous uncertainty
about what these deals actually look like, even if they
are even after they're done deals, and what they'll look
like in the future.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think you can pass one big, beautiful.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Bill all you want, but that lingering and certainty is
going to actually undermine it in a lot of ways
and sort of drag it down, even if you have.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
A kind of charitable forecast about what it could do.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, the courts may save them from themselves if they
strike down all the tariffs and this all goes away.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
And Lutnik is always fun. We want to do one lot.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Nick, let's do it sure then we can get to James.

Speaker 14 (21:05):
Well, I mean, think of the employment. You look at
next year's employment. It is going to load all the
years we're building, all the plants that are coming into America.
You know, you look at the unemployment rate numbers today,
Wait till a year today, Wow, it will be amazing number.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Well, let's talk about that.

Speaker 15 (21:23):
We do have a jobs report that's coming out in
oh over thirty minutes time thirty We're going to get
the jobs report. There have been some questions about some
weakness kind of popping up in the labor.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Market at this point.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
What do you see? Well, the fact you need to
count down like that.

Speaker 14 (21:41):
Economy is just beginning, right. I mean, he's convinced all
these companies to come in using his tariff policy, to
just come on in and build here way over ten
trillion dollars of investment. So look a year from today,
the end of this year is starting, and look a
year from today, you're going to see employment numbers that
you never imagine because it's what it's going to do,

(22:03):
is it's going to take the six point nine million
Americans who are capable of working, who are sitting on
the sideline.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
All right, so any day.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, that is actually amazing that they are acknowledging effectively like, well,
things are going to be bad. But a year from
just from the last thing I'll say before I can
move on to James o'keefen Epstein, which actually there's a
kind of a tie in here is the clip we
played of Trump with Bill Gates and Zuckerberg sitting alongside him. Emily,

(22:37):
what would what would the right say if that was
Kamala Harris sitting in that chair with Gates and Zuckerberg
and Sindharpachai and all those people right there in the
very chummy circumstances.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Well, the right way reapply the socialist drag from twenty
twenty one and talk about how evil corporate America.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Is, Donald, and they'd be correct.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
Yeah, Donald, Trump in that dinner said to the Google CEO,
you know, congratulations on you know, getting off so easy.
Oh the Department of Justice case, and remind him that
was Biden that came after you, not me.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
It's like, are you serious?

Speaker 9 (23:13):
It's like Trump is.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
On a humiliation.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Tour that was trumped that casey.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
So it's not even true.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Is the humiliation tour to humiliate himself, to humiliate and
reupported him all of the above.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
I think he's angry that his supporters wanted him to
do things, and so he's just thumbing it in their
nose that like, you wanted me to go after this guy.
It's a billionaire, who are you?

Speaker 9 (23:45):
Yeah, especially after the gifts like once Tim Cook gave
the Whates that he gave him a golden yes gold.

Speaker 7 (23:53):
Yeah, his magas fans don't give him gold step it
up by fake gold from.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
Him, and it's embarrassing.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
That's right. Well, Crystal mentioned earlier, you know, belief in
the project, belief that in the Trump project. So I
think this is nicely into trusting the plan a little
bit more. We have some breaking news from investigative what
do we call James o'keef would you call him a
hidden cam reporter, under an undercover undercover journalist. He's uh

(24:29):
he he uses the dating apps to get his scoops. Apparently,
uh so more often. I know, we gotta get on
we gotta get on field. Uh so, d O J
Deputy Chief admits government will redact every Republican while leaving
all the liberal Democratic people on the Epstein client list.
Let's just hear a second of this and then we'll

(24:49):
get out of it.

Speaker 16 (24:54):
Every Republican or conservative person in those files, the liberal
Democratic people in those bots, I.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Mean they visited that person.

Speaker 16 (25:06):
Yeah, also got transferred to a minimum security prison series,
which is against because she's she's like a.

Speaker 9 (25:16):
Big sex all right. So he says that James O'Keefe
welcome to the resistance, and then the dog chief had
to issue a formal response, which I'll pull up here
before I get yeall's reactions. Uh. This was a US
Department of Justice tweet on the notes app for Acting Director.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
It's an email draft.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
It's okay, it's an email draft, but airplane, airplane and
thirty percent, like that's all in the original DJ screen.

Speaker 9 (25:46):
That's great. That's we're on low battery and low confidence.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
So read the first line.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
Read yes, that's right. So Acting Director Pollock says, in
his words, I met a woman named Skyler on a
Hinge a dating app in July twenty twenty five. Her
profile is no longer findable. We had two dates, August
fourth and August sixteenth. She claimed to be an uppair

(26:15):
in Georgetown. Many such cases she gave. She gave no
clues that she was a reporter.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
Come on, Skyler, George.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
She gave no clues that she was a reporter or
recording our dates. Had I a clue, the first date
would have ended immediately and there'll never be a second one.
My profile indicated I did government work, but did not
specify for which agency. The comments I made were my
own personal comments on what I've learned in the media
and not from anything I've done or learned via work.
I have no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding miss Maxwell

(26:46):
other than what is reported in the news. I also
never divulged anything about what I do at work. I
recalled that she asked if I had any knowledge about Maxwell,
and I specifically said, I only know what's being reported
in the media. So, oh yeah, I mean outside of
all this. I just don't think talking about Epstein's first
date material. I don't think that's the first date topics.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Also, I have googled this and Google confirms Skyler is
an American name developed in the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
Oh wow, isn't that the name of.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
The wife and Breaking Bad? That's right her name, Ye, Skyler.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
She was kind of unjustly Miliana.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
People hated her.

Speaker 9 (27:29):
Yeah, yes, but I think retro's history looks back on
her more kindly.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I think actually at MSNBC, I interviewed her about the
way that Yeah, the hate she got for his character
she was playing. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Skyler
sent me on a journey. Yeah, but I mean, listen,
let's let's say about James O'Keefe, Like he uses very
dishonest tactics, not only in the like hidden camera and
tricky into a date on hinge or whatever, but he's

(27:55):
been caught in the past taking whatever audio gets, clipping
it together in a way that makes it look you know,
actively deceptive or you know, very misleading in terms of it.
So is it possible that this guy was saying what
he had heard generally in the news and what his
conclusions were, Yeah, I think that. I actually think that
is possible that that was what he was talking about.

(28:17):
I also think it's very bad sign if you're, you know,
someone that high up in the DJ thinks that's what's
going on, that's a pretty bad indication of you know,
people that are at that high level of government who
are watching this unfold and are like, yeah, of course
they're going to just get rid of all the Republican
names and leave in the Democratic ones. And obviously Kalayne

(28:37):
got transferred because they wanted her to shut the hell up.
You know, if that's a conclusion they're coming to, then
it does tell you something. Even if he's right and
he has no special knowledge of this case or these
files or whatever.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Which isn't true, Like there's no way he has no
special knowledge. I agree with you, Crystal, it's entirely possible.
Like O'Keefe has found some legitimately interesting stuff. We earlier
the Amy Robot comment from when the cameras were rolling
but they weren't live on ABC talking about how the
network killed her Epstein story. I think she said something
like quote, I had it all. Yeah, it's really frustrated.

(29:12):
That's an O'Keefe. But other times there's like really obvious
or not obvious, I mean really problematic editing that's not
obvious because you haven't seen what you don't know what
you haven't seen. Basically, So is it possible that he
caught out this guy saying, hey, I heard this from
Everything I'm saying here is just from public media. I
don't have any inside Not sure, but it's unlikely that

(29:35):
a man this high up in the Department of Justice. Actually,
even the people in the lower rungs of the Department
of Justice right now are all absorbing the gossip. You
could be the janitor at the Department of Justice and
you would be absorbing I mean you would you probably
know a lot, actually be absorbing the vibes in the mood.
But if you're in this guy's position, it's it's just
not true. Even if he's parroting what he's hearing in

(29:57):
the media, then that's just validating the truth of what's
being reported in the media because it rings true to
somebody who's that high up.

Speaker 9 (30:06):
You also gotta leave you gotta leave a few Republicans
in there if you're gonna do it at cover up, right,
Like you know, to quote like Baane, someone they gotta
find someone in the wreckage, right, you gotta leave like
someone's got to be the sacrificial lamb here.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
No, they don't think that way. They have no shame.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
You could leave like Chris Christie in there.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
Yeah, there's gonna be a never Trumper on there.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Why is Chris Christy catching strays this morning? Ryan?

Speaker 11 (30:31):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (30:31):
Because I saw Trump's AI video of Christi and JB.

Speaker 6 (30:36):
Pritsker sumo wrestling.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh my god, that's a real sentence. That's a real sentence.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
I have both a sentence that just came out of
Ryan's mouth. President the United.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
States did post an AI video of Chris Christy and JB.
Pritzker sumo wrestling that actually did happen.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, that did happen.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
But no, I don't think that they do think like, oh,
we need to leave someone in there to make it
seem like this is legit.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
And I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I mean, Trump went from saying on the trail like
we're going to release it and playing it up and
you know, Bongino and all cash batalities, people hyping it
up and like making lots of money and careers off
of it. To be in like two page memo. Nothing
to see here, by the way, he killed himself. Case closed,
and it's a Democrat hoax, by the way, Ginda by
like Hillary Clinton and James Comy. So there's no need

(31:21):
for them to feel like they need to be consistent.
In fact, the like we can already see the maga
bass move like they bought it. They've moved on.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
So for them, it's over.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
For the general public and for you know, certainly for
Democrats at this point, they're very interested in it. But
in terms of him losing support among his hardcore fans
not happening, well.

Speaker 9 (31:42):
Democrats are semi interested in it. I don't know how
interested some of them are.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah, well I was gonna say it is true.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
And I think it's probably always been true that Trump's
like pulling public support is not the needle won't be
moved significantly by Epstein stuff. But it is interesting to see,
for example, like Marjorie Taylor Green going on Newsmacks and
talking about Thomas Massey going on Newsmax and talking about
a cover up, and seeing James O'Keeffe, somebody who's very

(32:12):
maga continuing to chase the story like a dog with
a bone.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Those are the sorts of things I think.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
We talked about it here that are not going away
because so many people staked you know, years of their
own credibility saying or their own quote credibility in some
cases saying, this is the story of the century that
reveals and exposes everything wrong.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah, correct, Like.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
It was the Rosetta stone, you know, like this will
unlock the understanding of everything that's been going on, Emily,
is there anything else going on with James O'Keeffe, Like
I don't remember the details of how his organization fell apart.
I remember there were like lawsuits, there are allegations of
misbehavior and like just generally sort of like degenerate behavior.
I think there was like misuse of funds. He's using

(32:54):
funds for like his musical some odd yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Hands, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
About that, but I was just curious if that, if
that rupture had created any you know, friction between him
and anyone in megaworld or what your sense of any
of that is.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
No, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I mean it was basically a power struggle internally at
Project Baritas, which had a pretty like heavyweight board of
directors and conservative movement circles. So some of those ties
definitely did fracture it, which is like ugly. It was
one of those things that was ugly on both sides.
People were weaponizing information and it just was like nasty,
nasty stuff, So that might contribute to it. There's there's

(33:35):
no love loss between him, but and some of those types.
I'm trying to think of a specific person that he
would have a big grudge against, but he's I mean,
he has been fairly like Maga pro Trump. I think
he's one of those people that, because he followed the
Epstein story before there was a Trump cover up, is
in the position where he has to has to keep

(33:55):
chasing it otherwise, you know, if you're if you have
any I mean, if you if you want to have
any credibility, you just you would look insane to drop
it if you're him, because he's poured so much into it.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, I guess, although I mean, like you know, it
takes a lot to arrange these different undercover kind of
like sting operations. He could have pursued any number of
other topics pass et cetera, and it would have would
not have been obvious of like Oh, well, you're just
you're not even focused on Epstein anymore, you know what
I mean? Like if he had revealed some other liberal
democratic thing, It's not like people would have seen that

(34:30):
as a failure to cover Epstein. They just would have
seen that for whatever that thing would be. So I
don't know, I find an interesting. I mean, it's also
there is a lane open now on the right that's
like the Groper lane.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
You saw the Tucker lane.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, the Tucker lane, the Groper lane. The what's his
name owns sck Schreier. Is that his name over on
info war Schreyer, Yeah, who just like quit info Wars.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Alex Jones is crashing down over it, and he says
that Alex had told him he was too pessimistic about Trump,
and the implication was he was being kind of censoredive
in his Trump critique and also in his Israel critique.
So there is I mean, there's there is some media
fracturing that is happening on that side that is different,
and I think it's part the Trump project is gonna

(35:19):
in some way come to an end at some point.
It's part things are not going the way they wanted to.
I do think Epstein is a big part of that too,
because if you have any sort of integrity around us,
you have to acknowledge that it's a total and complete
betrayal of the way this man portrayed himself as some
deep state warrior that now he's like, well, my name's
in the file, so we're not going to be we're
not going to be exposing those anytime soon.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Or it's a hoax too.

Speaker 9 (35:42):
Yeah, it feels like a safe attack because I think
these guys know at the end of the day, well,
you know, Trump will find someone else to blame, so
we can blame Pambondi, or we can blame someone at
the DOJ and then fire them. So it doesn't feel
like a direct attack on trust. True, So I feel
like there's some safety in it, and it is like there,
it's their bread and butter issue, so you know, they

(36:02):
can't really drop it. Emily mentioned Thomas Massey still kind
of holding a flame for this stuff, and Thomas Massey
is beginning to name names. Let's hear a clip right
here from Thomas Massey who is naming one of the billionaires.

Speaker 17 (36:17):
Oh, let me give you the name of one of
the billionaires who's running two million dollars of ads in
my district since I started this effort. His name is
John Paulson. He's a hedge fund manager and a major
donor to the Republican Party, a major donor to the
Speaker of the House, a major donor to the President's campaign.
And he's in Epstein's black book. Now that's public, but

(36:40):
that's indicative of the types of people who may be
implicated or just embarrassed by a release of a completely
release of these files.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Pulson, Ryan, isn't Paulson the guy who shorted the housing market?

Speaker 6 (36:53):
Mm hm, that's right.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
Cool, Yeah, you have to give a multi multi billion
back when being that rich wasn't as common as it
is now.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
By well, maybe etein.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Betting on everybody by betting on.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
The financial Maybe Epstein gave him that advice, and that's
why he was so valuable to these guys.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Did you ever think of that, Ryan.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
What Crystal you were saying, some people saw this as
the Rosetta stone. It's like, well, I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
That's why we care about it, because, yeah, maybe in
some ways it is a Rosetta stone.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I mean, it's it certainly could unlock a lot of
a lot of it would even if it did turn
out he's not. He wasn't Massad, he wasn't Cia like
he really does just was this horrific, you know, monster
pedophile who separate and apart from that, also had an
interesting like cultivating powerful people just for the hell of it.

(37:51):
Even if that turns out to be the case, that
is still so revealing about the American criminal justice system
that this man was able to get away with all
of just because of his wealth and his proximity to
power like that also is I mean, I don't it
wouldn't be that surprising, but I will say when you
go back and look at what was going on in
Palm Beach and the investigation with the local PD, like

(38:12):
they weren't going to let him off the hook because
of they knew he was wealthy, they knew he was
connected all these people, and they weren't going to let
him off the hook. It's when it gets elevated to
you know, above their heads that he ends up with
this sweetheart deal. And that, to me is the center
of why it's always been so suspicious, the analysis of well,
he's just a rich guy, and that's what happens to

(38:33):
rich guys in America, they get away with a lot, true,
do they get away with, you know, trafficking allegedly hundreds
of girls over years and years, and you know, having
this vast network over all of this time, and still
being able to get into every elite circle imaginable, including
the highest levels of you know, academia and business and

(38:55):
government here and in Israel, by the way, you know,
I think that is that is the part that is
very we'll just say eyebrow raising at best. But yeah,
even if it's the you know, the the thinnest level
of the conspiracy that there was no other large it
wasn't a blackmail scheme. It was just him being a monster,

(39:16):
and now it was contained effectively to him. There were
no other powerful people who were implicated this kind of
girls behavior. Even if it's that, it still is very
revealing and important information for us all to understand about
the way the system works.

Speaker 9 (39:34):
Well, on that note, let's get to some other ways
this system is working or not working. We have our friend,
our breaking points extended universe character RFK Junior here, who
is at a big friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think in particular he.

Speaker 9 (39:48):
Is listen, family family, family fights, you know, but we
we love. We show up on the holidays for each other.
So lots of clips here from this RFK Junior hearing.
Can anyone give a brief primer on this hearing and
what RFK Junior's kind of new initiative around vaccines is.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
So this is the Senate Finance Committee, and he got
a pretty tough grilling from both Republicans and Democrats. Bernie Sayers,
Ron Wyden, Maggie Hassen, these guys just really went in
on him. And so we have some of the highlights
of those interactions. And this is Tina Smith of Minnesota.

Speaker 9 (40:29):
Let's start with this one.

Speaker 18 (40:31):
Yeah, even if it's untrue. So, last time you were
before Congress Secretary Kennedy, you claimed, and I quote, I
have never been anti vax I have never told public
to avoid a vaccination. But in a podcast you said
the opposite. You said there's no vaccine that is safe
and effective. So that sure sounds I've asked to me,
Secretary Kennedy. So let me ask you, when were you lying, sir,

(40:52):
when you told this committee that you were not anti vaxx,
when you told Americans that there's no safe and effective vaccine.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Both things are true. Oh so more.

Speaker 18 (41:02):
Of denial, more back and forth. I mean, here's what
I know, here's what I can explain.

Speaker 12 (41:07):
Why you'll actually I want you to listen to me.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Okay, go ahead, that's untrue.

Speaker 9 (41:14):
So so we've got that one here, and then yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Let's roll through these gripts so people get labor.

Speaker 9 (41:20):
Yeah, let me get a favorite. So this next one
very interesting, Well I'll have to talk about is about
Operation Warp Speed and if President Trump deserves the Nobel
uh prize for this uh operation. Let's uh, let's take
a look.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
This is a public in.

Speaker 19 (41:38):
Lcacidy that says a doctor, not as a senator, I
am concerned about children's health, seniorself, all of our health.
A pauled you to join the president and a call
for radical transparents. Thank you for that, I'd said yesterday.
I believe it that President Trump deserves a Nobel prize
Operation Warp Speed. If you have been President Obama, he

(42:00):
would have gotten it.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
But because of.

Speaker 19 (42:02):
Operation Warp Speed forcing the federal government to come to
a vaccine development within ten months when others said it
couldn't be done, we saved millions of wives globally trillions
of dollars we reopened the economy. Economy's an incredible accomplishment.
Mister Secretary, do you agree with me that the president
that the President deserves a Nobel Prize for Operation Warp Speed?

Speaker 6 (42:23):
Absolutely?

Speaker 19 (42:24):
Let me ask you.

Speaker 9 (42:27):
But you just.

Speaker 19 (42:27):
Told Senator Bennett that the COVID vaccine killed more people
than COVID.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Wait, that was a stake.

Speaker 15 (42:35):
I did not say that.

Speaker 19 (42:37):
Okay, let me ask because you also.

Speaker 20 (42:39):
Were the senator.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
I just want to make clear.

Speaker 19 (42:42):
Well, we'll check the record. That's a question of fact.
You also said that you were also as lead attorney
for the Children's Health Defense, you engage in multiple lawsuits
attempting to restrict access to the COVID vaccine. Again, it
surprises me that you think so highly of Operation Warp
Speed when as an attorney you attempted to restrict access.

Speaker 9 (43:05):
All right, so I have to say, well, is good
but also bad.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that one, because
it makes sense that a Republican would be the one
with the most devastating question in a way, because they
would understand sort of the weaknesses and vulnerabilities from a
Republican perspective. And this has always been such a central
contradiction of you know, Operation warp Speed.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
It genuinely was. We covered it.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
This was back at Rise, and we cover it very
positively at the time. You know, it was one of
the you know, only examples I could think of in
modern history post New Deal where you really did have
the federal government sort of like all oars rowing this direction,
doing what it took to get this vaccine together, get
it rolled out. It was a genuinely impressive thing, and
Trump himself was for a long time very proud of it.

(43:50):
Now he's starting to back away himself from whether or
not he put on some truth about you know, I
don't know if I got the right information at the
time or something to that effect. And so Kennedy is
trapped between you know, slavish devotion to the dear Leader
and his anti vax crankery in this question, which is
what makes it so impossible. You know, it puts him

(44:12):
in a logic choke hold. We'll say the framing of
this question, and I have no doubt that he did,
because he said similar things earlier in the hearing, say
that the COVID vaccine has killed millions war than it
ultimately saved. So you can't both think that Operation Warp
Speed was glorious and the dear Leader deserves a Nobel
Prize for it, and that this thing was like a
devastating scourge to humanity that killed millions of people.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I thought that Kennedy got the better of Ron Wyden
and Bernie Sanders and these hearings. But to your point, Crystal,
Bill Cassidy is the reason that Robert F.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Kennedy Jr.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Is AHH Secretary because he basically traded his vote for
an agreement that RFK Junior would submit to being babysat
by Bill Cassidy, essentially, who's a doctor and sort of
sees himself as a responsible Republican steward of public health.
And for Cassidy to be I mean, to actually really

(45:11):
deliver that devastating blow is pretty fascinating this early, because
again Cassidy wants, for his own sake, are.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
FK Junior to work out he is the one who
delivered him to AHS. Without his vote, he wouldn't be there.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yea and a ful Because I mean, if you really
were convinced that RFK Junior was gonna, you know, reform
on the issue of vaccines or really care once he's
in there, what you think, Senator Cassidy about what the
right course of action is?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Like, I just I think I don't think that he
really believed that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I think he hoped it was true, But ultimately he
felt pressure to go along with who Trump wanted as
his picks, and so he put his own political positioning
because he knows how devastating can me to go against Trump,
against his judgments as a doctor, and so he put
up a performative display of reluctance. But at the end
of the day, just like everybody else, he went along

(46:06):
in spite of his you know, significant and genuine reservations.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
The vaccine stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Yeah, I mean that was obvious because the point he's
making there, I mean he could have made that point.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Cassidy could have made that point during the content.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
At that time.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
That's right, And he was between a rock and a
hard place, obviously, which is that. I mean, first of all,
he's from Louisiana, not a healthy state, And this is
what RK. Junior was telling Ron Wyden yesterday. They had
an exchange where again I think Kennedy kind of owned
him from the political strategist perspective, where he was like dude,

(46:43):
You've been sitting in Congress since the mid nineteen nineties
and all of these rates have continued to go up.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Well, Bill Cassidy.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Has been in Congress for a long time and is
a representative of a very unhealthy state. So when we're
not talking about vaccines, RFK Junior, I think has a
more a stronger argument when you start talking about vaccines.
This guy is on the record over and over again,
and I'm talking about the politics of this, talking about

(47:11):
how COVID killed the COVID vaccine killed people in mass
That's impossible to square with Trump's position on operational warp speed.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Impossible.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
And it looks like the exchange that Casidy is referring to,
he did not say outright that the COVID vaccine killed
more people than COVID.

Speaker 6 (47:35):
It sounds like Bennett said to him, are you aware?
Are you aware that.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
One of the new members And so the context for
this entire thing is that Kennedy kicked a whole bunch
of scientists off of the key committee that makes recommendations
around vaccines as replacing them with what people think are
cranks and quacks. And so one of these people is
this guy, doctor Retzef Levy, who is out, outspoken, unapologetic

(48:02):
opponent of m r NA vaccines, and so he said,
are you are you aware that one of these new members,
Doctor Levy wrote that quote evidence is mounting. It indisputable
that m RNA vaccines caused serious harm, including death, especially
among young people. And Kennedy said, I wasn't aware of that.
I agree with it, and so Cassidy took that. Now
there would certainly have been killed people who have been

(48:24):
killed by the m RNA vaccine and badly hurt by
it like that. You can google that like that's that's true,
the idea that's more than a number of people killed
by COVID.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
I don't even think Levi Levy says that.

Speaker 9 (48:38):
But and there's a battle going on here between who
what scientists do you like or not? We've got a
clip here on that all over the country, sciences, doctor saint.
Otherwise they're all wrong too. Let's taken politicized.

Speaker 8 (48:49):
I depoliticized it. There's congress over the country, mister Secretary.
I just and doctors are saying otherwise. They're all wrong too.
They're all lying. According to you, a scientist, doctors are
supporting me of the country division on opinion.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
I don't get letters from thousands of people who are
not political saying that this set of changes is going
to damage American healthcare and particularly these healthcare agencies for
decades to come. I don't get any letters. We'll say,
maybe you're listening to a selective group of people.

Speaker 9 (49:30):
You get, you get me.

Speaker 8 (49:31):
I will I will tell you what, Senator, I will
put my mail bag against your mail bag.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Got I don't really even know what that means, but
using it Emily, I'll put my mail bag against your
any day.

Speaker 9 (49:49):
The kids call a going bag for bag, so you know.
But yeah, they're just saying, oh, well, he's got doctors
and scientists. They say they're they're supporting him, but there
is division of opinion.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, well and he actually, he says to Widen, like, oh,
you're being selective, when in reality, RFK will find the
like one person in the entire fucking country who has
any kind of credential who agrees with him and then
be like, there's a division of opinion, and I just
have him decide with this one guy who says this
one like insane thing. And but you know, both sides
have a point. Let's debate it out. So he you know,

(50:25):
it's protection like he accuses Widen of the precise thing
that he does, and I just I have zero patients
for any of this.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Maha. People, you were betrayed, you were fooled. It's the truth.
And whatever you.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Think about vaccines, like put that aside. I mean, first
of all, you're insane to put it aside because it's
been one of the greatest, most important inventions of modern medicine.
And the defunding of the the mRNA vaccine trials that
they were you know, the research they were doing means
they were developing a potential mRNA vaccine for cancer and
that's now off the table. Okay, so congratulations for that.

(50:57):
Florida's now said there's no vaccine require arments for kids,
So fucking congratulations for that.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Put all of that aside. Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
This is the administration that cut healthcare, that is going
to deny millions of people healthcare.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Is that, Maha.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
This is the administration that is rolling back all of
the regulations on food and health safety. Is that fucking Maha? Okay,
we're talking about Louisiana. A big part of that there
are many reasons why Louisiana has chronic poor health. One
of them is the fact that you've got a bunch
of toxic chemical plants. They're constantly polluting, and so you
have cancer alley, something that RFK in another life might

(51:33):
have cared about. Guess what, This administration is rolling back
the regulations on those types of companies, so instead they
run around and Sager has done been the loudest voice
on this, like, oh now we've got cane sugar and coke.
Oh now your fruit lubs aren't gonna have the same dies.
Oh now you can eat true French fries with beef
tallow So it's to me, I have zero use for

(51:56):
any of this. I think is all nonsense. And by
the way, like, yes, you're pointing to important problem, which
is America is dramatically unhealthy. The fact that you aren't
even talking about the fact that we have so like
such a disgusting healthcare system for profit healthcare system tells
me you're a fraud to begin with. And then second
of all, he gets in there and is just making
the problem worse, laying off anyone who was doing anything

(52:19):
good and had potential for improvement.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
In the future.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So I'm just I am so disgusted with this man
in particular, and with all the lies and the circus
that's built up around him.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I just have no use for it whatsoever.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
There's also a huge opening here for anybody who wanted
to take it, because a lot of the Maha world
like actually completely agrees with you at this moment, and
they're losing their mind.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
They're like, there's a segment that kind of.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
From the eighties or nineties that really that bought into
that like woo woo autism and vaccine stuff. But it's
a vast, vast minority of what makes up Maha. Like
the Maha people care about what you're talking about, the toxins,
the chemicals, the plastics, the additives, the corruption of the
food industry and the corruption of pharma. Vaccine fight is

(53:14):
that's not what they're here for. Some of them like
are skeptical definitely of like going overboard and being like
giving the m RNA vaccine to five year old's, Like, no,
we don't need to do that, Like you guys are
being too crazy about that stuff.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
COVID overreach.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
Yeah, okay, fine there, but the Maha movement is not
about getting rid of the MMR vaccine or otherwise just
going to war with the vaccine. So I think if
Democrats had their finger on the pulse of this, they
could get in and be like, who's the one who's
in the tank for pharma here? Like that's the other

(53:51):
funny thing is like this big fight about the hepatitis vaccine.
If you end up with hepatitis, that's great for the
healthcare industry. You're now sick your entire life m hm.
And you'll see morons out there being like, oh, because
you know you're because you're promoting this vaccine and women
who are giving birth, you're in the tank for the

(54:13):
pharmaceutical industry. It's like a fifty dollars vaccine that's not
pharmaceutical industry is not trying. It's not like desperately trying
to like sell that vaccine. Fact, if you get sick
because you didn't take that vaccine, they benefit, That's right.
So Democrats have all sorts of lanes where they could
drive this.

Speaker 9 (54:32):
So Ryan, but what do you make then of this polling?
Then if you say mahas against this, we have new
polling here from Harry Enton. It says RFK Junior is
actually the most popular member of Trump's admin. Let's take a.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Listen, it's still minus seven.

Speaker 9 (54:45):
How long I've been saying Kenedy could be the most
embattled member of the cabinet.

Speaker 20 (54:51):
Fact check me here, No, I think that's a false.

Speaker 9 (54:53):
That's a false.

Speaker 20 (54:54):
That's a Daniel Dale fact check for your false on that.
What are we talking about here, farre ratings of key
tr officials?

Speaker 9 (55:00):
Look at this strong.

Speaker 16 (55:01):
R K Junior ain't.

Speaker 20 (55:02):
Exactly popular, but he's the most popular of all the
key officials that we have.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah, I mean we even pauses.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I mean these guys, like those other I also would
support honestly putting RFK Junior in like that pecking order,
because the other ones are all like starting wars and
invading American cities and you know, threatening to invade Venezuela
right now. So okay, fair I'm doing genocides, So okay,
fair enough. RFK Junior is not currently committing a genocide,

(55:31):
so I'll give him his mind A seven. I mean,
I don't know where, Like I have seen some of
the MAHA upset for sure and feeling like they got
sold to BILLI Goods, And I do think that that
sentiment exists, and I also think it to your point, Ryan,
like it is important for Democrats to.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Pick up on, uh, yes.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
This sense in the population of both betraying, you know,
with with big pharma and the you know, the toxins
and and just the sense of you can see how
many Americans are are unhealthy, you know, and dramatically so,
I mean, the truth of the matter is though like, uh,
probably the biggest innovation is like ozempic, which apparently has
all sorts of benefits for people and is a you know,

(56:12):
solution for obesity, is a very like non Maha solution,
but you know, an ozempic for all as part of
Medicare for all. I think it would go a long
way honestly to making America a lot healthier. As the
sad truth of the matter, and then there should be
you know, in my opinion, we need like a genuine
renewal of public facilities where people can you know, have

(56:35):
community and play sports and a major investment in that
and making that a big part of our sort of
like public pride and public presence. And you know, that's
another thing that Democrats could potentially pursue. I will say
I have some sympathy for them because remember the way
Michelle Obama was treated when she tried to like make
the school lunches more healthy.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
They acted, I was because I was in high school
and they took away the vending machines.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, they acted like this was like, you know, a
like Pearl Harbor or something. You know, I was liked
a little reticent on that front. But it's time to
get back in the game, guys.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Well yeah, so I just I actually think that's a really, really,
really important point because Bernie has Bernie is so viscerally
I think with you Crystal on the Maha like fraud line,
that he cannot stand the site of r f K
Junior basically, and that's probably probably true of probably true

(57:32):
of many people. But I also think that, I mean,
Bernie and r f K Junior have been on the
same page until r f K Junior's Trump turn for years,
like to your point about cancer Alley Louisiana, RFK Jr.
Suing to clean up the Hudson River like this was
his thing. And I think it's really dangerous for Dems
to look like they're on the side. I think Ron

(57:54):
Wyden came across like he was on the side of
the public health status quo, or at least seeded that
the anti establishment ground to RFK Junior because I just
don't think thems have fully developed their response to Maha yet,
which is brought actual like you see it if you
go to like MAHA events.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
I've covered a couple of them. It's the Hippie to
Maha pipeline. Like it really is a lot of people
from the left who won't vote Republican in the future.
Like this is to some extent the grass roots.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
There are some like grassroots, like hippie Bernie types who
are running in these circles because they think.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
They look around and they're like, well, RFK Junior might be.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Bananas, but Dems are defending the status quo and that
looks bad.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
But RFK Jr. Another thing is he's getting.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Criticized by the hardcore MAHA people who are flaming him
right now for not banning the COVID vaccine because it's
committing like mass mrina genocide. Like he I mean, it's
just a mahas a mess.

Speaker 9 (58:54):
Yeah, and some of it seems to be sticking. I mean,
we've got another pull here, Emily. You shared this one
support for vaccinating kids is drop being Let's take a listen.

Speaker 20 (59:01):
That we have seen, Okay, vas kids again, somexious diseases,
the government should require you. Go back in nineteen hundred
and ninety one, it was eighty one percent. Okay, Then
we go to twenty nineteen at sixty two percent. Look
at where that number fell to by twenty twenty four
it was just fifty one point. That is thirty point
drop from thirty four years ago. My goodness, gracious.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
Now, so what do we make of that? Do you
think people are when they are responding to this question.
Do you think they're thinking of just specifically the COVID
vaccine or are they thinking about polio? Are they thinking
about these other ones that these classic back to school
of vaccines.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I think they're thinking about all of them.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
And I think, personally, I think it's a sign of
like societal and moral collapse. We're we're such a we
have been fed such a line of individualism over so
many years that people think their individual right to be
an anti vax crank. Trump's the right of a community
to keep itself safe and protect children or those who

(59:58):
are immunal compromise or the or pregnant women or others
who are unable to get certain vaccines at certain times.
And so I genuinely like, I don't want to over blow,
but I really do feel this way. I think it
is a sign of societal collapse that we give so
little of a shit about our fellow human beings that
we are willing to put you know, some bullshit we

(01:00:19):
read on the internet over our ability to keep people
who are vulnerable safe, Like we are losing the ability
to even see our fellow community members as human beings
who deserve the slightest bit of courtesy and attention. And
to me, it truly is this like dead end of
a intensely individualistic capitalist project where it's just all about

(01:00:44):
you and your rights and your individual freedoms while you're
of course being crushed from above. And that's like, that's
what you're being sold in lieu of being able to
have a good job, a good life, buy a house.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Et cetera.

Speaker 9 (01:00:57):
But is it individual or is it a systemic issue
where you know, how many of these people are seeing
a primary care physician often, how many of these people
feel like they have access to a doctor they like
or trust, or don't feel like it isn't ripping them off.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
It feels right, Yeah, I mean it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
You're not saying anything different from me, though, really, because
what you're talking about is the fact that we have
I mean, the fact that we don't have a universal
healthcare system is exactly part of the overall systemic push
towards the individual of like it's your responsibility to make
sure you can pay thousands of fucking dollars a month
to get your health insurance that's still going to be

(01:01:32):
crappy and still going to fail you when you need
it the most. So that's that exactly what you're describing
is part of the system that yes, leads people to
frankly insane conclusions about it.

Speaker 9 (01:01:44):
And if you do, it's like do your own research
stuff Like it's well, if you do get sick and
you're a poor person that you didn't do your research,
that's kind of your individual responsibility to figure it out
on your own. And you know, us US rich people
will be fine. But like if if Bolio spreads you
didn't you didn't read the blog or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
I think this gets the Crystal's point about societal collapse.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
I don't disagree with that at all.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Because the trust institutions is just rock bottom. I mean,
it's so incredibly low that people aren't going to trust.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
I don't think people trust RFK Junior.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
To your point about you know, having the highest rating
but still being down minus seven. There's just a niche
of the country who trusts him. There's a niche of
the country who's trusting you know New York Times, a
niche of the country who doesn't trust any of it,
or like a fractured segment of the country, and so
you just everyone's floating in different pieces. Now nobody trusts anyone,

(01:02:34):
so collective action becomes almost impossible, even though the paradox
is it's also necessary to be part of a country.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah, no, that's it. You said it much more gently
than I did. But I agree with all of that
only in Yeah, I mean, I'm just I don't know,
I'm I'm.

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We can talk about Zoron, which is to me, like
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and the fact that it's possible in New York City,
where you know, famous for a lot of jaded people
and with a lot of groups that have either checked
out of a political system or you know, we're voting
for Trump, or you know, exploring other ideologies to me,

(01:03:18):
even though I know it's just quote unquote New York City,
but it does show that there is a possibility of
a restoration of a collective project in my opinion.

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