September 9, 2025 • 43 mins
Krystal and Saagar discuss Korea losing it as ICE chains 300 nationals at Hyundai facility, Trump Epstein birthday letter revealed.
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What do we have, Prystal, A lot of very interesting
topics in the show today, I have to say. So.
We're going to cover this immigration rate at a Hyundai
plan involving hundreds of Korean nationals. A lot of interesting
stuff going on there. We also have some bombshell revelations
in regard to Abstain, including we actually have released now
the full birthday book. It is even more disgusting, disturbing,
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and creepy than you could possibly imagine, so we will
dig into some of that. Dave Weigel is going to
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one on national conservatism, the other on abundance. Also comes
amid some new very interesting pulling about the Zoron Mamdani
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go ahead and start with Hyundai is. I'll tell you
I have been infuriated by many things under the Trump administration.
This is one of those which has hit more than
anything for a variety of reasons, because it shows the
sheer level of stupidity pervading our government. Right now, let's
go ahead and put some of this video up on
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the screen, which has now caused an international incident with
the state of South Korea. So you're watching Homeland Security
I basically roll in some military convoy into a Hyundai
plant in Georgia, and what you're watching is not only
Now I'm going to separate my commentary, some of the
(03:49):
people that they allegedly arrested were in the country illegally,
but many of these are highly skilled South Korean nationals
who entered the United States under the visa waiver program
because they are highly skilled technicians who were dispatched by
Hyundai from South Korea to the United States specifically to
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get a manufacturing plant up and running. So these are
the people who are actually at the vanguard of the
Trump administration's hailed manufacturing plan, where we are basically going
around the world telling Hyundai, telling Japan, all of these
other different countries. We're like, you need to invest hundreds
of billions of dollars in our country, and they're like, hey, okay,
(04:33):
no problem, we absolutely will do so, will hire American workers.
The only thing is is that to get the plant
up and running. Of course, as you know, if an
American company were to open a factory elsewhere, well, they're
the only people with experience in the technology. They're the
people who are going to set up the plant. They
have no intention of staying. And they were literally chained
(04:54):
up and mistreated, put it on a bus, and you know,
some rarely humiliated in front of the eyes of the world.
This has I cannot stress this enough because nobody in
the US or Washington actually looks at foreign media. This
is an international incident with one of the most important
(05:15):
allies for the United States in East Asia. Let's go
and put the next one up there on the screen, guys,
just to show you the entire Korean government, opposition and
the ruling party are united in their outrage. This is
blockbuster news all over South Korean media. They demanded the
return of their workers and said that they will bring
(05:38):
them home, they will not be deported, and they have
privately had to dispatch a jet in order to do this.
I think that this reveals, actually, perhaps we can find
some bipartisan agreement here crystal the stupidity of the United
States immigration system. In some ways, we hold a gun
to Korea's head and say you need to invest hundreds
of billions of dollars in America. They're like, great, absolutely,
(06:00):
and in fact, because of our work ethic, we want
it to happen right now, and so we're like, cool,
that's awesome. And then what they do is they apply
for a business visa and they it takes forever. It's
not happening, it's not getting approved. And they're like, okay, well,
South Korean nationals can enter the United States under the
visa waiver program. So we'll just send them over and
(06:21):
we'll get this plant up and running. It's better than
eating the cost of delays. And so while they're sitting
in this plant, then somebody in Ice or the White
House wherever, gets the brilliant idea of let's roll on
in there and let's just arrest and chain these guys
up A three please, just to explain this a little
bit more to everybody. And look, I'm not letting Hundai,
(06:44):
I guess off the hook. They admit that they're entered
under the visa waiver program. Their you know, explanation is yeah,
I mean, we enter under the visa waiver program because
the administration was not granting our visas fast enough. And
at the very same time that they're you know, slow
our visa process, they're up our ass to get this
plant up and running. So, I mean, I just think
(07:06):
that it tells everybody the level of seriousness to which
we are committed to, you know, us manufacturing and else.
I just can't think of a better poster child for
allegedly what's supposed to be happening. The port of the
trade deals is to increase tariffs, to tell countries to
come here to invest in America. You invest in America,
we will roll out the red carpet for you. We
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will make sure that everything is there. We will allow
these you know, high skill technicians again who are not
trying to stay here or anything. They're literally entering America.
They're trying to get the plant up and running and
eventually is going to create job. This is in a
rural Georgia by the way. It's you know, not like
a thriving metropolis. It's a place which you know, wanted
the plant and has actually welcomed it to come there.
(07:47):
So this again, I just want to emphasize, this is
an international incident. And if you are a Japanese company,
or a Korean company, or a German company or any
of these others, who again, I'm basically under duress. Which fine,
the government is telling you you're going to be slapped
with massive tariffs. The European and all these other Asian
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allies are doing everything they can to actually manufacturing to
the US to be able to build these things here,
and then to do something like this. It is one
of the most chilling effects you can possibly think of
for the alleged plan of moving manufacturing to the United
States of America.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. And so it shows you the
conflict because one of the supposed goals of the mass
deportation is to free up jobs for American workers. These
South Korean workers were literally there to create jobs for
American workers. So are there is just no doubt that
you are harming American workers with this action. And yet
(08:47):
this action is taken, and you know, on top of everything, right,
there are a lot of ways you can do immigration enforcement.
They chose to do the mass show of force, put
everybody in you know, shackles are tied around the waste,
and to record that and release it publicly. So to
your point about the humiliation, that was an intentional, intentional
(09:11):
humiliation of the South Korean nationals, you know, with regard
to their status. Basically, what happened this plant was this
was started actually under the Biden administration, and there was
kind of a like don't ask, don't tell it kind
of policy, like, look, we don't have a program set
up to be able to get you all of the
visas in the time period that you need in order
to have them properly authorized. Just get you know, the
(09:32):
normal like tourist visa that allows for business meetings, and
no one's going to do anything about because we understand
like the nature of the system. And so that was
the understanding of the Biden administration, and they thought that
was the understanding under the Trump administration as well. Basically
like well, we're not going to pass some new program
to actually get you the visas that you need. Even
though we do have those relationships with other countries like
Australia and other places where we have a close relationship.
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We have a close relationship with South Korea, it would
make sense to have the same thing, we just don't
have it. So there was kind kind of a tacit
understanding of just come in, just do what you need
to do. No one's going to do anything, and instead
they're intentionally summarily rounded up and intentionally humiliated in this regard.
It's utter insanity. I mean, it truly is. And I
(10:16):
do wonder, you know, is this is Stephen Miller special?
Is this the you know, local ice agent? Like, where
does this come from? The fact that it's being released
from you know, the sort of sort of the top
in terms of the video release tells me that someone
pretty high up the chain must have greenlit this and
must have embraced it. And it makes absolutely no sense.
(10:38):
And you know, I do think that Trump increasingly has
kind of outsourced various pieces of his presidency to different aids,
Steven Miller being a very important one of them, So
you know, likely to me, I feel like it was
you know, Steven Miller putting his xenophobia over any other
sort of goal.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Maybe that's possible. And you know, I want to be clear,
I'm not defending visa fraud or any that. We just
did a segment yesterday you did about tourists visas you know,
for the GHF and any of that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
We're carrying fully automatic weapons, right right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I'm more just saying in general, like I don't support
visa fraud. I do think though, that this demonstrates the
lack of seriousness. South Korea is the sixth or seventh
largest trading partner of the United States, seventh in goods
and services. It is hands down behind Japan, the most
important US ally in the East, in the East Asia.
(11:31):
It is a government vital, It is a country vital
to US national security interest. If you believe in the
pivot to Asia, if you believe basically, if you believe
in US power projection and good relations that want to
make sure that we are not totally at China's whim. Well,
this all fits to me with the Chinese National Parade,
you know, the military parade that earlier, and one of
(11:54):
the most important parts of that parade was a South
Korean delegation which actually shook hands with Kim Jong un
at the behest of the Chinese, and it was done
specifically to show a demonstration by the Koreans that yes,
we will be willing to work with China, we accept
some of the primacy of China in the region, on
top of our commitment here to the United States. Now,
(12:16):
of course, you know, it's a vital US ally. There's
thousands of United States troops present in Korea. We are literally,
you know, fought and died together. So this is a
country which is united with us in blood, and you know,
to treat their nationals like this, not only in terms
of the manufacturing piece, but also it's just the sheer
lack of respect for the country. I mean again, you
(12:38):
know Koreans who are at present, you know, the Korean
media is like, hey, there's a lot of you guys
over here. What happened if we just started rounding all
of you up. It's like, oh, you think a lot
of these wives of service members and others here are
all have perfect visa status. Maybe we should all start
looking into it. I mean, that is the level of
outrage that we have actually inspired. Again in a very
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friendly nation to the United States of America, which creates
and wants to create jobs here, which is I mean,
it's a good trading partner. I could go on forever
about some of the people who have really ripped us
off here, but this is people creating an extremely high
quality product in the United States sells well. And it
also kind of shows you the problem with a lot
(13:19):
of our manufacturing plants because all of them basically rely
on and everything I've heard from you know, TSMC, for example,
is building that giant plant down in Arizona. And here's
the truth that they tell you. They go, look, you
guys don't have the expertise. So a lot of our
guys they're going to have to come over for at
least a year or two at the very least to
try and train you up because you just don't know
(13:39):
what we're doing. This is one of the most highly
specialized types of manufacturing in the world. I'm not exaggerating.
If a single human hair gets into the facility improperly,
it can shut down the entire thing. That's what chip
manufacturing looks like. There's a high, high, high, high level
of expertise that I cannot stress enough, which they have
perfected and which they are genuinely the experts on. So
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for them to be not only mistreated, but to also
show them that the level of seriousness and deference that
they will not get as united as people trying to
invest in America. What message is that sending to them,
to Japan, to all of these other countries which are
genuinely trying again to do the right thing. They're terrified.
I can tell you that they're terrified of actions like this.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Just imagine if it was you know, Americans who were
at like building a Ford plant, you know, in some
foreign country, and they're rounded up in that way. I mean,
we would be horrified, Like we would be justifiably like,
what the hell is wrong with you? Even if it's
not some super high tech process, different companies just have
different ways of doing things. So if it's a Hyundai factory, yeah,
(14:44):
you're going to need people who are like familiar with
that process to help set it up and establish the
procedures and all of Like, this is all very logical,
and interestingly, you know, Trump, when he was asked about it,
seemed to understand the sort of basic logic of this,
which makes it all the more perplexing of why the
does even happen. Let's go ahead and play a four.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It's a battery factory. That case is up cold, and
you know when they're building batteries. If you don't have
people in this country right now that know about batteries,
maybe we should help them along and let some people
come in and train our people to do you know,
complex things, whether it's battery manufacturing or computer manufacturing or
(15:24):
building ships.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So we're gonna look at.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
That whole situation. We have a lot of industries that
we don't have anymore, and we're gonna have to trade people.
And the way you train people is bring people in
to know what they're doing and let them stay for
a little while in help. So I'm gonna look at that.
So it's a very interesting situation that took place because
it's training. The relationship with Korea at all. We have
a great relationship with South cal It's a really good relationship.
(15:50):
You know, we just made a trade deal.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What do you make of that soccer?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Oh, we have a great relationship. Sure that's news
to you know. The Creeds ever agree on anything. The
only thing they can agree on right now in their
own country screwed the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I just I can't get over this speaker world.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
We are certainly and you know, you have to think
about in grand strategic terms. In the last month, literally
you have three high profile diplomatic failures on the part
of the USA. Number one is Russia, where we have
putin over here, we have the summit, We get nothing
out of it. In fact, they just launched one of
(16:26):
the largest attacks and I think believe in the history
of the war in Ukraine, on the on the city
of Kiev, and they included, I believe, bombing one of
their main government buildings. They putin flies to the Chinese
military parade and stands in solidarity with she Mody. You know,
we slap India with fifty percent tariffs. Mody says, all right, fine,
(16:49):
let's go game on. I've got a lot of options.
He attends the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit. He stands with Shishingping.
He tweets pictures of the limo with Vladimir putin him
Jong Un, by the way, who at one point had
diplomatic relations with the United States, which I supported. I
thought it was great. He included at the Chinese military parade,
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South Korea sends a delegation there, so I am including
South Korea, North Korea, Russia and now China you know
as well, which very clearly is sending a major message
to America. We can be a better to the world.
I mean, we can be a better partner to you.
We won't lecture you and abuse you. You can do
whatever you want. And you know, that's not a great
(17:32):
set of rules necessarily if you want to live by.
But for a lot of those people, all they see
from US is hypocrisy. They see stupidity. With the Chinese,
they see at the very least, there's no hypocrisy, right,
They're not going to lecture them on human rights or
war or anything. They don't care. They're like, how can
we do business? And you know, so there's we've lost
(17:53):
not only the not only the you know, the sheen
of America. And look, I think there's often a talking
point like, oh, we're losing the world, like people's citizens
are against us. That's kind of been true for a
long time. But obviously millions of billions of people still
want to come here. This is about our government's relations
with other governments and what it means for the future.
Each of these moves has been designed basically to antagonize
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critical US allies, which if you just look from a
picture of the globe, you would want to have on
your side, as fifty percent of global GDP arises in Asia.
And then who are the countries that are getting the
red carpet? Israel and apparently Ukraine too, by the way,
So what are we doing here? I mean, this is
the literal opposite of the vision that was allegedly sold,
(18:41):
you know, under the twenty twenty four campaign. And I
know it's in direct contravention not only are the things
that they said, but of the genuine beliefs of so
many of the people who work in the Trump administration.
The India fallout might be the most single and consequential,
but the Korean one. You cannot just walk away from
this like this is a litt This is a major
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incident in Korea. Go and use Google translate. It's not hard,
all right, you can go and look at it for yourself. Yeah,
how they're reporting all this? It is it's big. It's
big in the country. They're not going to forget. And
I do think that this will have a big impact
on our relations over the next decade.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, and this is the perfect story encapsulate the way
that those foreign relationships matter here because to your point,
you know, the whole idea, one of the things that
was sold with the Trump administration as well, is oh,
we're going to have this manufacturing renaissance and that's what
the tariffs are about. Blah blah blah. First of all,
that's failing anyway. We've had seventy eight thousand manufacturing jobs
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lost since the beginning of the year. You know, in
the last month, we just got the jobs report on Friday,
which was really poor and in which we lost another
twelve thousand manufacturing jobs. So we're already going in the
wrong direction where all of that is concerned. And then yeah,
if they if you know, companies feel like they're not
going to be able to build plants, if they feel
like there were are going to be humiliated, they're not
going to be able to operate, not exactly a big
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encourager of investing in America, creating jobs here, rebuilding the
manufacturing base. So you know, these relationships that can sound
very sort of squishy when you're talking about them in
an abstract, can have real tangible impacts on people's lives
on jobs, on employment, and that's why I think this
story encapsulates, you know, that sort of intersection between what
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we're doing abroad, our relationships with these countries, and what
it means for people here at home. Really quick, just
as a mention, because we want to We've actually got
Weigel standing by and I want to bring him in
to talk about Zoron and abundance and national conservatism and
all the rest. But there was a significant, significant scotus.
I don't even know if you call this a decision.
It was a shadow docket decision to put this up
(20:49):
on the screen. A five. They lifted the restrictions on
la immigration stops that have been imposed by a lower court.
So effectively, the lower court or said, what you're doing
is tantamount to racial profiling, and you can't do it.
You can't just detain people or stopping for them effectively
based on what they look like or whether they're you know,
(21:10):
around a job area that you think is high in immigrants.
And the Supreme Court, without without giving any sort of
window into their thinking and their logic, lifted that restriction.
And this is very consistent with a pattern we have
seen with this Supreme Court under Trump two point zero
where kind of quietly. I don't know if this has
(21:31):
gotten as much attention as it should. The Supreme Court
has sided with the Trump administration on the shadow docket
something like sixteen seventeen separate times. They've mostly been, i mean,
just racking up the victories. And the reason it's called
the shadow docket is because, as in this instance, it's
not a ruling on the merits. So it's not like
you get this long brief. Oh, here's our thinking and
(21:53):
here's what it means, blah blah blah. It's not a
final decision on it. But in the meantime, they're lifting
the injunction and so Trump administration can do what they want.
We've seen similar things with regard to the ability to
fire whoever they want without giving cause that these agencies
that are supposed to be independent. We've seen similar things
with regard to you know, they basically dismantled the Department
of Education. Previously, you would have assumed that seems like
(22:16):
something that Congress has to do, not the executive. Well,
the Court has allowed that to go forward, and so
it truly has allowed the Trump administration to consolidate a
massive amount of power without us getting any real logic
or reasoning from the Supreme Court about how they're thinking
through these things or whether even they would rule ultimately
(22:36):
on the merits in this direction. So this is just
the latest in what has been an extraordinary series of
victories for the Trump administration with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, your right to explain on the shadow docket. It's
a big complicated, like you said, because they did not
rule on the merits. It was Justice Kavanaugh writing, I believe,
for the majority of six' three to come through on
the shadow docket to allow the injunction to be lifted
without ruling on. Eventually it is also a consequence of
a lot of the extraordinary like legal action and extraordinary
(23:06):
behavior that's been taken on the part of The trump.
Administration but it's certainly something to. Watch, okay turning now To,
epstein some extraordinary new information being released by The House Oversight.
Committee you'll all remember the story about the so called
birthday book For Jeffrey, epstein which included a letter allegedly
(23:27):
From Donald. Trump The White house claimed that it was a,
forgery that it was a, fake that it didn't. Exist
The Wall Street journal was actually Sued Rupert murdoch and
others By Donald trump personally for, defamation claiming that no
such letter ever. Existed they said that they never even
showed them the. Letter, well the letter has now been
released to The House Overside. Committee it is part of
(23:48):
several pages now released by The Oversight committee from the
so Called Birthday book directly from the estate Of Jeffrey.
Epstein so let's make that very. Clear this was from
the estate Of Jeffrey. Epstein this so called Birthday book
that was compiled By Glainne, maxwell has a lot of
other luminaries and other interesting. People but the allegation from
The White house now is that it's a fake letter
(24:10):
which was actually planted in The epstein, ESTATE i guess
from the year two thousand and, three and since that
time has bubbled up that forgery to where we are right.
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The White house denials in a. Second but let's take
a look at the letter which was described for us
only by The Wall Street. Journal let's go and PUT
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(24:31):
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i won't tell you what it, Is, Jeffrey nor WILL
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(24:53):
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everybody the initial understanding and statement from The White house
(25:15):
is quote time To News. Corp to open that. Checkbook
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staff and a cabriage secretary there over at The White.
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(25:38):
signature from that time, period and they do appear to
look very. Similar so not a signature expert obviously or
any of. That you can judge it all for, yourselves
but certainly some of the story about how allegedly this
is a fake doesn't pass some of the smell, tests
considering that it does come from The epstein estate. Itself
(25:59):
by the, way, okay in terms of who leaked, this
it's very interesting originally Because, crystal some of the things
that have now come out from The epstein estate that
were released by The House Oversight committee appear to actually
have been a part of some exhibits in The Glaine maxwell,
Trial so that birthday book has probably had access both
(26:20):
BY us prosecutors in THE fbi since twenty, nineteen but
also obviously available to The Glaine maxwell legal. Teams so
still lots of speculation as to who originally leaked, it
but we can all go read it for. OURSELVES i
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and this is, Like i'm Taking trump out of. This
(26:40):
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emily AND i will fully go through some of this stuff.
(27:01):
Tomorrow but obviously the headline here is specifically About trump
and his, denial and as part of the reason, why you,
know immediately they started saying that all The epstein files
themselves were a. Hoax but you can see here the
story's not going, away and it's becoming more inconvenient for
The White house and for everybody else who has touched
this man over the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Years that was an interesting choice of language there at the.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
End use it correctly.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Well worth regard to who leaked. IT i, mean it
is worth noting that Since Glene maxwell got her a little,
cushy moved to her low security club fed and she
had her nice little conversation with The deputy ag we
haven't gotten any more leaks, now, Haveway so that is
an interesting thing to. Note can we put the before
backup on the, screen because many people are noting this
(27:49):
did not look the way that we expected it to.
Look it is even more disturbing to see in. Person
and you, KNOW i thought that there's sort of an
assumption when you think of like a grown man drawing
a female, shape you expect giant. Boops that's What i'm
trying to. Say, Now, LISTEN i appreciate the inclusivity of
(28:13):
the small breasted woman. Community, Okay, however many are also
pointing out this actually looks like a prepubescent. Girl so
when you have The president of The United states writing
in this creepy ass code about the secrets they have
in common and, enigmas. Etc may every day be another
(28:36):
wonderful secret on this, image it is very hard to
come up with what an innocent explanation of what he
is referring to, is especially sagert to your point when
you put it in context of the rest of the,
book which is fucking. Disgusting can PUT b eight up
on the screen to give you a little taste of
(28:57):
what we're talking about in this. Book you can see
here a cartoon drawing Of Jeffrey epstein handing balloons to
little girls in the year they, say nineteen eighty, three
and then in two thousand and three the present, day
him receiving massage from you, know girls who are unclothed
or barely, clothed and it, says what a great, country
(29:19):
so seemingly a cartoon depiction of his.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Grooming, LITERALLY i mean it's a literal cartoon version of grooming,
yea including one of the girls with a je.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Tattoo OH i didn't didn't even notice that one on her.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Ass.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah AND i mean if you look at all of,
these many of them are indecipherable because they are all
speaking in this weird like eyes wide shut. Code so
the impression you come away with is a whole friend
group of extremely powerful and wealthy. Individuals Les waxner has
his contribution in, here many others, besides who all know
(29:55):
what's going on and are at the very least, aware
if not directly. Participate that is very much the impression
and come away from if you spend five minutes looking
at this disgusting.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Book, yeah, look it's all. Public you can all go
read it for. YOURSELVES i encourage you to. DO i,
mean we'll just pick the Crazy stimmich. Tomorrow i'll actually
cobate some, others by the, way some other interesting information
that we can. Connect we also have The trump one
that you MENTIONED b, Seven please we can put on the.
Screen just just goes to show you, know the kind
of the crass nature that all these guys were talking
(30:29):
to each. Other so here it appeared to be some
check like one of those large novelty checks for twenty
two five hundred dollars signed by somebody who signs A
Dj trump for To Jeffrey, epstein and the letter that
was written As jeffrey showing early talents with many women
sells quote fully depreciated blank To Donald trump for twenty two,
(30:53):
thousand five hundred dollars showed early people's skills, too presumably
in both of the. Cases Michael wolfe has pointed to
the fact That epstein And trump shared a, girlfriend which
maybe they're a wonderful secret and or they're enigma slash the,
depreciation but this is the tone that they're. Using, Yeah
and that's kind of WHAT i want to highlight is
(31:15):
that every person in his orbit just very obviously was
in on the quote. Secret and, LOOK i mean many
of these girls, like, YEAH i don't. KNOW i, mean
in some cases they're pointing to like eighteen to twenty
two year, olds which is creepy, legal but you, know
there is a children's section actually of the book with
handwritten notes literally from, children including one of what appears
(31:39):
to be a teenage girl of literally just photos of,
her like playing the. PIANO i, mean very very disgusting
to be included in the birthday. BOOK i don't know
if it was submitted by a. PARENT i don't know
what it, is but like handwritten stuff also written to
them in crayon and other types of. Drawings SO i,
(31:59):
MEAN i don't even have. Words, yeah for all of.
This it is really really. Gross it's.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Disturbing it's so.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Disturbing it connects to the political story as well as
The republicans kind of scramble on how exactly to respond to.
This my personal favorite was a new claim By speaker
of The house Of Mike johnson That trump was actually
AN fbi informant On Jeffrey. Epstein let's play b, one,
(32:27):
guys take a. Listen he's not saying that What epstein
did is a.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Hoax it's a, terrible unspeakable. Evil he believes that. Himself
when he first heard the, romhere he kicked them out
of very. Longgo he was AN nbi informant to try
to take this stuff. Down The president knows and has
great sympathy for the women who. Suffered he's. Unspeakable armed
it's detestable to. Him And i've spoken about this as
recently as point four hours.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Ago that's an extraordinary claim That trump was AN fbi.
Informant we have not yet ever seen a single document
or a release from The White house about. That by the,
way Remember trump himself said that he was mad At
jeffrey for stealing somebody from the massat or what do
you say from THE, spa which we believe Is Virginia,
goffrey who was one of the individuals who said he
(33:07):
was asked.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
About it and he, said, YEAH i, Believe, SO i
believe that's What i'm talking.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
About, okay so you know he said. It all, Right
i'm just taking that. Away he's never mentioned being AN fbi.
Informant speaker of The House mike jo.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Saying he was a white hat. Pedophile, actually it's, like,
what like WHAT b?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Two please Because Mike johnson is now, saying, GUYS i
misspoke actually about. That let's take a. Listen, well, yeah
what do you mean back when DID? I, WELL i.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Was referring to this in that long. Conversation was what
the victims attorney said more than a decade. Ago President
trump Kicked epstein out Of. Marilanco and he was one
of the only, people one of the only prominent. People
as everyone has, reported Not President, trump but everybody about,
that he was willing to hope law. Enforcement so after
(33:54):
this guy who was a disgusting child, abuser sex, trafficker
all their, allegations that's what they've. Heard so The president
was helpful in. THAT i don't know IF i use
the rag, terminalogy but that's a common knowledge.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
And everybody knows.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
That so there is much ado about.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
NOTHING i think The president tell you this specifically about
this much.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
SAID i was recounting what others have. Said The president
AND i have talked about The epstein evils many. Times
he's just disgusted by, it as everybody. Else he has
long had a history about acknowledging, that and he has
said repeatedly he wants everything to come out of all credible,
information everything for The american public to.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Decide it was if he ever asked away a wire or,
ANYTHING i, THOUGHT i have No, No i'm not saying
THAT i have no information about that.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
WHATSOEVER i was repeating what has been common knowledge for
a long. Time The president was helpful in trying to
Get epstein for the law enforcement. Gradst that's always been
my understanding of that's common. Knowledge it's the public's understanding
THAT i was not breaking news, There, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Uh common knowledge not to. Me AND i follow this
thing pretty damn, closely DON'T? I and it literally so,
look apparently this all from the Attorney Brad, edwards who
quote confirmed That trump had offered helpful information during the.
Investigation but that is a basically side quote from The
(35:12):
epstein victim. LAWYER i don't even know what he's referring.
To there's no detail or any of. That And Mike
johnson spinned it into some sort of like grand. Gesture but, yeah, look,
BROADLY i, MEAN i think what this needs to fit
into is every time that you, think you, know because
everyone knows to a certain. Extent, oh of course everybody
(35:34):
knew around him, Knew but to see it in the,
cartoon in the way that these guys all talk to,
him it's really, sickening and especially WHEN i pair. It,
LOOK i mean the pedophile stuff and all the other
in the creepy grooming, behavior et cetera That epstein was up,
to that's the most salacious. Part and that's kind of
what everybody focuses. On but the part THAT i focus
(35:56):
on is his connections to, power which enabled, potentially you,
know The sweetheart deal of two thousand and, seven and
the heart of it is all in the money and
potentially in intelligence connections which, remain you, know totally unexplored
by the vast majority of the mainstream. Media to their,
credit they did actually publish a new investigation. Here can
we PUT b three up? THERE i highly recommend everybody
(36:17):
go and read this because this is really What i've
been talking about now for several months about The epstein.
Case this is the heart of all of. It The
New York times EXPOS b. Three please to put it
up there on the, screen and what we learn from
it is just the. LOOK a lot of this was already,
public so you, KNOW i knew not much of this
was new information to, me but they've kind of put
it all, together and it's quote HOW Jp morgan enabled
(36:40):
the crimes Of Jeffrey. Epstein it details people have heard
me reference before The department Of Financial services fine Of
Deutsche bank previously and their relationship To. Epstein but you,
know the central character is this Guy Jess, staley FORMER
ceo Of, barclays A Jp morgan executive previously who worked
hand in glove With epstein over the. YEARS i, Mean
(37:02):
epstein was just enormously influential at this. Bank he got
away with stuff that, nobody not even high networth individual
people are getting away with hundreds of millions of. Dollars
they processed nearly a billion dollars in transactions in and
out of his. Account he's withdrawing hundreds of thousands of
dollars in. Cash he's wiring money all over the globe
for human trafficking. Purposes according to their own internal, REVIEW
(37:23):
Jp morgan executives and others who work on a human
trafficking squad are, like we need to shut this, down
and they're like, No and the reason why, is you,
know at certain Points epstein is more enormously influential to
introducing them to the highest and most powerful people in the,
world INCLUDING Bb nets On. Yahoo I've i've released that
(37:44):
email before and for, reference but you know they reference
it here at one point you know that Jess daley is, like,
hey we were able to secure a meeting With nets On.
Yahoo this, is by the, way After epstein has been
convicted or has had the two thousand and seven non
prosecution agreement that he you, know please, guilty And epstein
is like, surprise, surprise you, know basically saying that he
broker to the. Meeting, obviously that also includes his previous
(38:06):
relationship with The Israeli Prime minister Aud, barrock which is
well known and which you've explored here on this. Show
but this is the heart of, everything AND i want
to give a shout out To Senator Ron wyden who
has been at the forefront of this and talking about
the suspicious activity reports and other documents that are held
right now by The Treasury. Department this is the heart
of the Real epstein. Story where'd the money come? From
(38:28):
who was he sending it? To for what? Purposes why
Did Leon black pay him one hundred and seventy million? Dollars?
Why nobody can answer that question, Seriously and it's it's
the unexplored nature that potentially holds the key to this entire.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Thing, Yeah wexner had an entry in the birthday book
CASE i wanted to give, you, know what you wanted
for the birth for your, birthday and he drew a
picture of some. Boobs so that was his. Contribution it
could go deeper With Jess daily, too who there were
many people AT Jp morgan ultimately Protected. EPSTEIN i want
to say it was just this one, dude but this
(39:02):
one dude was one of the if not you was central.
Influential and we've also talked about this on the show.
Previously these emails between them were. Revealed let me read
you the relevant section from The New York. Times they
Say staley Emailed epstein while sipping white wine in the
hot tub on the, island quote next time we're here,
together he, WROTE i owe you. Much other messages were
(39:23):
littered with apparent sexual. References that was. Fun say hi
to Snow, White staley emailed in twenty. Ten epstein responded
by asking which character he would like, Next beauty and The.
Beast staley, Answered so it could be, that you, know,
certainly part of How epstein is allowed to remain A
Jp morgan, customer even after you know that all of
(39:46):
his transactions are being, flagged and even after the non prosecution,
agreement research, time in, person, whatever is because of the
money that he's bringing. In you, know he's introducing them to. Net,
yeah he's introducing them TO e One musk all of
these big business, Deals Bill, gates. Etc that's certainly part of,
it but part of it could also be you, know
what Did epstein know About? Daley what activities was he involved?
(40:06):
In and that could have been part of the modus
operandi and Certainly epstein's collecting of these powerful. People that
was another thing is they would say to each other
internally within the, bank, well if all these rich and
powerful people trust, him then, like who are we to
throw him out on the. Street so that actively was
used as a protection. Mechanism, lastly just to go back
(40:29):
to The Republican, party The Mike johnson, thing which is.
Wild you, know it strikes me as just they're so
desperate to get out from under this to somehow jiu
jitsu this into Like trump is actually the good guy here,
somehow even though he's longtime friends With epstein and we've
got this birthday book thing and he won't release the
files and we know his names and the files all
of this. Stuff they're just throwing stuff at the wall
(40:51):
and seeing what. Sticks So Mike johnson put this thing out,
here people were, like what are you talking? About that's.
Ridiculous and then he had to be, like, OH i.
MISSPOKE i didn't mean it that. Way, okay Mister speaker
of The, house you don't know what it means to
be AN fbi. Informant, Sure but we also need to
recall the Way Jadie vance originally responded to the birthday book.
Revelations he was not the only, one but he went
(41:11):
particularly hard in the paint can PUT b six up
on the. Screen this is when the First Wall Street
journal story came out that just described the birthday, book
and he, says forgive my. Language this story is complete
and utter. Bullshit The Wall Street journal should be ashamed
for publishing. It where is this? Letter would you be
shocked to learn they never showed it to us before publishing.
It does anyone honestly believe this sounds Like Donald? Trump
(41:34):
they went hard on this, Story, sager as your recall
at the, time adamant that this was, fake that it
was a, forgery that the letter doesn't, exist. Etc and
now we have, it we can all see it with our,
eyes and they're desperately trying to go with. This oh,
well that's not his real. Signature it's just, unbelievable the
way they will lie to people and think that you
(41:55):
are so dumb that you will actually believe that this
was all invented and you know it's a plant and
it Was hillary Or comy or. Whatever and it's just
it's just wild to, me the brazen nature of the
way they will lie and spin and off the skate
and grasp at straws in order to may not just this,
story but any story that's uncomfortable for them go.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Away there's only one, defense and it's not a good.
One is that they shared a twenty two year, old
legal but creepy, girlfriend and that's what all the things were,
about and he was aware of, it and he was
connected to him for many, years and then they fell
out over a STOLEN spa employee and who he then,
groomed and you, know according To Virginia, gouffrey you know
(42:35):
obviously was abused for many. Years not exactly a tale
Of White knight. Exactly and so you, know they have
to resort their highest and best defense is just to release,
everything because then you're just one of many people kind
of caught up in the. Web and we can look
for all sorts of connections that may or may not
just Include Donald, trump but include everybody but you, know
(42:56):
that's the that's the tack that they've. CHOSEN a lot
of people can see through. IT a lot of people
who are interested in this story are extremely fed up
with The trump administration's handling, it and they should. Be
they absolutely should be
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topics in the show today, I have to say. So.
We're going to cover this immigration rate at a Hyundai
plan involving hundreds of Korean nationals. A lot of interesting
stuff going on there. We also have some bombshell revelations
in regard to Abstain, including we actually have released now
the full birthday book. It is even more disgusting, disturbing,
(00:58):
and creepy than you could possibly imagine, so we will
dig into some of that. Dave Weigel is going to
join us to talk about two conferences he just attended,
one on national conservatism, the other on abundance. Also comes
amid some new very interesting pulling about the Zoron Mamdani
race in New York City, so we'll get him to
dive into all of that. Jerry scale Skalehill is also
going to join us to talk about the latest potential
(01:19):
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got some new gen Z gen Z gender divide polling,
That's what I'm trying to say. That is fascinating to
dig into the various priorities of men and women in
gen Z depending on who they voted for in the
last election. And we're also taking a look at some
Tim Dillon political commentary with regard to various political figures.
(01:41):
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go ahead and start with Hyundai is. I'll tell you
I have been infuriated by many things under the Trump administration.
This is one of those which has hit more than
anything for a variety of reasons, because it shows the
sheer level of stupidity pervading our government. Right now, let's
go ahead and put some of this video up on
(03:28):
the screen, which has now caused an international incident with
the state of South Korea. So you're watching Homeland Security
I basically roll in some military convoy into a Hyundai
plant in Georgia, and what you're watching is not only
Now I'm going to separate my commentary, some of the
(03:49):
people that they allegedly arrested were in the country illegally,
but many of these are highly skilled South Korean nationals
who entered the United States under the visa waiver program
because they are highly skilled technicians who were dispatched by
Hyundai from South Korea to the United States specifically to
(04:10):
get a manufacturing plant up and running. So these are
the people who are actually at the vanguard of the
Trump administration's hailed manufacturing plan, where we are basically going
around the world telling Hyundai, telling Japan, all of these
other different countries. We're like, you need to invest hundreds
of billions of dollars in our country, and they're like, hey, okay,
(04:33):
no problem, we absolutely will do so, will hire American workers.
The only thing is is that to get the plant
up and running. Of course, as you know, if an
American company were to open a factory elsewhere, well, they're
the only people with experience in the technology. They're the
people who are going to set up the plant. They
have no intention of staying. And they were literally chained
(04:54):
up and mistreated, put it on a bus, and you know,
some rarely humiliated in front of the eyes of the world.
This has I cannot stress this enough because nobody in
the US or Washington actually looks at foreign media. This
is an international incident with one of the most important
(05:15):
allies for the United States in East Asia. Let's go
and put the next one up there on the screen, guys,
just to show you the entire Korean government, opposition and
the ruling party are united in their outrage. This is
blockbuster news all over South Korean media. They demanded the
return of their workers and said that they will bring
(05:38):
them home, they will not be deported, and they have
privately had to dispatch a jet in order to do this.
I think that this reveals, actually, perhaps we can find
some bipartisan agreement here crystal the stupidity of the United
States immigration system. In some ways, we hold a gun
to Korea's head and say you need to invest hundreds
of billions of dollars in America. They're like, great, absolutely,
(06:00):
and in fact, because of our work ethic, we want
it to happen right now, and so we're like, cool,
that's awesome. And then what they do is they apply
for a business visa and they it takes forever. It's
not happening, it's not getting approved. And they're like, okay, well,
South Korean nationals can enter the United States under the
visa waiver program. So we'll just send them over and
(06:21):
we'll get this plant up and running. It's better than
eating the cost of delays. And so while they're sitting
in this plant, then somebody in Ice or the White
House wherever, gets the brilliant idea of let's roll on
in there and let's just arrest and chain these guys
up A three please, just to explain this a little
bit more to everybody. And look, I'm not letting Hundai,
(06:44):
I guess off the hook. They admit that they're entered
under the visa waiver program. Their you know, explanation is yeah,
I mean, we enter under the visa waiver program because
the administration was not granting our visas fast enough. And
at the very same time that they're you know, slow
our visa process, they're up our ass to get this
plant up and running. So, I mean, I just think
(07:06):
that it tells everybody the level of seriousness to which
we are committed to, you know, us manufacturing and else.
I just can't think of a better poster child for
allegedly what's supposed to be happening. The port of the
trade deals is to increase tariffs, to tell countries to
come here to invest in America. You invest in America,
we will roll out the red carpet for you. We
(07:27):
will make sure that everything is there. We will allow
these you know, high skill technicians again who are not
trying to stay here or anything. They're literally entering America.
They're trying to get the plant up and running and
eventually is going to create job. This is in a
rural Georgia by the way. It's you know, not like
a thriving metropolis. It's a place which you know, wanted
the plant and has actually welcomed it to come there.
(07:47):
So this again, I just want to emphasize, this is
an international incident. And if you are a Japanese company,
or a Korean company, or a German company or any
of these others, who again, I'm basically under duress. Which fine,
the government is telling you you're going to be slapped
with massive tariffs. The European and all these other Asian
(08:08):
allies are doing everything they can to actually manufacturing to
the US to be able to build these things here,
and then to do something like this. It is one
of the most chilling effects you can possibly think of
for the alleged plan of moving manufacturing to the United
States of America.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. And so it shows you the
conflict because one of the supposed goals of the mass
deportation is to free up jobs for American workers. These
South Korean workers were literally there to create jobs for
American workers. So are there is just no doubt that
you are harming American workers with this action. And yet
(08:47):
this action is taken, and you know, on top of everything, right,
there are a lot of ways you can do immigration enforcement.
They chose to do the mass show of force, put
everybody in you know, shackles are tied around the waste,
and to record that and release it publicly. So to
your point about the humiliation, that was an intentional, intentional
(09:11):
humiliation of the South Korean nationals, you know, with regard
to their status. Basically, what happened this plant was this
was started actually under the Biden administration, and there was
kind of a like don't ask, don't tell it kind
of policy, like, look, we don't have a program set
up to be able to get you all of the
visas in the time period that you need in order
to have them properly authorized. Just get you know, the
(09:32):
normal like tourist visa that allows for business meetings, and
no one's going to do anything about because we understand
like the nature of the system. And so that was
the understanding of the Biden administration, and they thought that
was the understanding under the Trump administration as well. Basically
like well, we're not going to pass some new program
to actually get you the visas that you need. Even
though we do have those relationships with other countries like
Australia and other places where we have a close relationship.
(09:54):
We have a close relationship with South Korea, it would
make sense to have the same thing, we just don't
have it. So there was kind kind of a tacit
understanding of just come in, just do what you need
to do. No one's going to do anything, and instead
they're intentionally summarily rounded up and intentionally humiliated in this regard.
It's utter insanity. I mean, it truly is. And I
(10:16):
do wonder, you know, is this is Stephen Miller special?
Is this the you know, local ice agent? Like, where
does this come from? The fact that it's being released
from you know, the sort of sort of the top
in terms of the video release tells me that someone
pretty high up the chain must have greenlit this and
must have embraced it. And it makes absolutely no sense.
(10:38):
And you know, I do think that Trump increasingly has
kind of outsourced various pieces of his presidency to different aids,
Steven Miller being a very important one of them, So
you know, likely to me, I feel like it was
you know, Steven Miller putting his xenophobia over any other
sort of goal.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Maybe that's possible. And you know, I want to be clear,
I'm not defending visa fraud or any that. We just
did a segment yesterday you did about tourists visas you know,
for the GHF and any of that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
We're carrying fully automatic weapons, right right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I'm more just saying in general, like I don't support
visa fraud. I do think though, that this demonstrates the
lack of seriousness. South Korea is the sixth or seventh
largest trading partner of the United States, seventh in goods
and services. It is hands down behind Japan, the most
important US ally in the East, in the East Asia.
(11:31):
It is a government vital, It is a country vital
to US national security interest. If you believe in the
pivot to Asia, if you believe basically, if you believe
in US power projection and good relations that want to
make sure that we are not totally at China's whim. Well,
this all fits to me with the Chinese National Parade,
you know, the military parade that earlier, and one of
(11:54):
the most important parts of that parade was a South
Korean delegation which actually shook hands with Kim Jong un
at the behest of the Chinese, and it was done
specifically to show a demonstration by the Koreans that yes,
we will be willing to work with China, we accept
some of the primacy of China in the region, on
top of our commitment here to the United States. Now,
(12:16):
of course, you know, it's a vital US ally. There's
thousands of United States troops present in Korea. We are literally,
you know, fought and died together. So this is a
country which is united with us in blood, and you know,
to treat their nationals like this, not only in terms
of the manufacturing piece, but also it's just the sheer
lack of respect for the country. I mean again, you
(12:38):
know Koreans who are at present, you know, the Korean
media is like, hey, there's a lot of you guys
over here. What happened if we just started rounding all
of you up. It's like, oh, you think a lot
of these wives of service members and others here are
all have perfect visa status. Maybe we should all start
looking into it. I mean, that is the level of
outrage that we have actually inspired. Again in a very
(12:59):
friendly nation to the United States of America, which creates
and wants to create jobs here, which is I mean,
it's a good trading partner. I could go on forever
about some of the people who have really ripped us
off here, but this is people creating an extremely high
quality product in the United States sells well. And it
also kind of shows you the problem with a lot
(13:19):
of our manufacturing plants because all of them basically rely
on and everything I've heard from you know, TSMC, for example,
is building that giant plant down in Arizona. And here's
the truth that they tell you. They go, look, you
guys don't have the expertise. So a lot of our
guys they're going to have to come over for at
least a year or two at the very least to
try and train you up because you just don't know
(13:39):
what we're doing. This is one of the most highly
specialized types of manufacturing in the world. I'm not exaggerating.
If a single human hair gets into the facility improperly,
it can shut down the entire thing. That's what chip
manufacturing looks like. There's a high, high, high, high level
of expertise that I cannot stress enough, which they have
perfected and which they are genuinely the experts on. So
(14:01):
for them to be not only mistreated, but to also
show them that the level of seriousness and deference that
they will not get as united as people trying to
invest in America. What message is that sending to them,
to Japan, to all of these other countries which are
genuinely trying again to do the right thing. They're terrified.
I can tell you that they're terrified of actions like this.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Just imagine if it was you know, Americans who were
at like building a Ford plant, you know, in some
foreign country, and they're rounded up in that way. I mean,
we would be horrified, Like we would be justifiably like,
what the hell is wrong with you? Even if it's
not some super high tech process, different companies just have
different ways of doing things. So if it's a Hyundai factory, yeah,
(14:44):
you're going to need people who are like familiar with
that process to help set it up and establish the
procedures and all of Like, this is all very logical,
and interestingly, you know, Trump, when he was asked about it,
seemed to understand the sort of basic logic of this,
which makes it all the more perplexing of why the
does even happen. Let's go ahead and play a four.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It's a battery factory. That case is up cold, and
you know when they're building batteries. If you don't have
people in this country right now that know about batteries,
maybe we should help them along and let some people
come in and train our people to do you know,
complex things, whether it's battery manufacturing or computer manufacturing or
(15:24):
building ships.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So we're gonna look at.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
That whole situation. We have a lot of industries that
we don't have anymore, and we're gonna have to trade people.
And the way you train people is bring people in
to know what they're doing and let them stay for
a little while in help. So I'm gonna look at that.
So it's a very interesting situation that took place because
it's training. The relationship with Korea at all. We have
a great relationship with South cal It's a really good relationship.
(15:50):
You know, we just made a trade deal.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What do you make of that soccer?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, Oh, we have a great relationship. Sure that's news
to you know. The Creeds ever agree on anything. The
only thing they can agree on right now in their
own country screwed the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I just I can't get over this speaker world.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
We are certainly and you know, you have to think
about in grand strategic terms. In the last month, literally
you have three high profile diplomatic failures on the part
of the USA. Number one is Russia, where we have
putin over here, we have the summit, We get nothing
out of it. In fact, they just launched one of
(16:26):
the largest attacks and I think believe in the history
of the war in Ukraine, on the on the city
of Kiev, and they included, I believe, bombing one of
their main government buildings. They putin flies to the Chinese
military parade and stands in solidarity with she Mody. You know,
we slap India with fifty percent tariffs. Mody says, all right, fine,
(16:49):
let's go game on. I've got a lot of options.
He attends the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit. He stands with Shishingping.
He tweets pictures of the limo with Vladimir putin him
Jong Un, by the way, who at one point had
diplomatic relations with the United States, which I supported. I
thought it was great. He included at the Chinese military parade,
(17:10):
South Korea sends a delegation there, so I am including
South Korea, North Korea, Russia and now China you know
as well, which very clearly is sending a major message
to America. We can be a better to the world.
I mean, we can be a better partner to you.
We won't lecture you and abuse you. You can do
whatever you want. And you know, that's not a great
(17:32):
set of rules necessarily if you want to live by.
But for a lot of those people, all they see
from US is hypocrisy. They see stupidity. With the Chinese,
they see at the very least, there's no hypocrisy, right,
They're not going to lecture them on human rights or
war or anything. They don't care. They're like, how can
we do business? And you know, so there's we've lost
(17:53):
not only the not only the you know, the sheen
of America. And look, I think there's often a talking
point like, oh, we're losing the world, like people's citizens
are against us. That's kind of been true for a
long time. But obviously millions of billions of people still
want to come here. This is about our government's relations
with other governments and what it means for the future.
Each of these moves has been designed basically to antagonize
(18:18):
critical US allies, which if you just look from a
picture of the globe, you would want to have on
your side, as fifty percent of global GDP arises in Asia.
And then who are the countries that are getting the
red carpet? Israel and apparently Ukraine too, by the way,
So what are we doing here? I mean, this is
the literal opposite of the vision that was allegedly sold,
(18:41):
you know, under the twenty twenty four campaign. And I
know it's in direct contravention not only are the things
that they said, but of the genuine beliefs of so
many of the people who work in the Trump administration.
The India fallout might be the most single and consequential,
but the Korean one. You cannot just walk away from
this like this is a litt This is a major
(19:03):
incident in Korea. Go and use Google translate. It's not hard,
all right, you can go and look at it for yourself. Yeah,
how they're reporting all this? It is it's big. It's
big in the country. They're not going to forget. And
I do think that this will have a big impact
on our relations over the next decade.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, and this is the perfect story encapsulate the way
that those foreign relationships matter here because to your point,
you know, the whole idea, one of the things that
was sold with the Trump administration as well, is oh,
we're going to have this manufacturing renaissance and that's what
the tariffs are about. Blah blah blah. First of all,
that's failing anyway. We've had seventy eight thousand manufacturing jobs
(19:41):
lost since the beginning of the year. You know, in
the last month, we just got the jobs report on Friday,
which was really poor and in which we lost another
twelve thousand manufacturing jobs. So we're already going in the
wrong direction where all of that is concerned. And then yeah,
if they if you know, companies feel like they're not
going to be able to build plants, if they feel
like there were are going to be humiliated, they're not
going to be able to operate, not exactly a big
(20:04):
encourager of investing in America, creating jobs here, rebuilding the
manufacturing base. So you know, these relationships that can sound
very sort of squishy when you're talking about them in
an abstract, can have real tangible impacts on people's lives
on jobs, on employment, and that's why I think this
story encapsulates, you know, that sort of intersection between what
(20:28):
we're doing abroad, our relationships with these countries, and what
it means for people here at home. Really quick, just
as a mention, because we want to We've actually got
Weigel standing by and I want to bring him in
to talk about Zoron and abundance and national conservatism and
all the rest. But there was a significant, significant scotus.
I don't even know if you call this a decision.
It was a shadow docket decision to put this up
(20:49):
on the screen. A five. They lifted the restrictions on
la immigration stops that have been imposed by a lower court.
So effectively, the lower court or said, what you're doing
is tantamount to racial profiling, and you can't do it.
You can't just detain people or stopping for them effectively
based on what they look like or whether they're you know,
(21:10):
around a job area that you think is high in immigrants.
And the Supreme Court, without without giving any sort of
window into their thinking and their logic, lifted that restriction.
And this is very consistent with a pattern we have
seen with this Supreme Court under Trump two point zero
where kind of quietly. I don't know if this has
(21:31):
gotten as much attention as it should. The Supreme Court
has sided with the Trump administration on the shadow docket
something like sixteen seventeen separate times. They've mostly been, i mean,
just racking up the victories. And the reason it's called
the shadow docket is because, as in this instance, it's
not a ruling on the merits. So it's not like
you get this long brief. Oh, here's our thinking and
(21:53):
here's what it means, blah blah blah. It's not a
final decision on it. But in the meantime, they're lifting
the injunction and so Trump administration can do what they want.
We've seen similar things with regard to the ability to
fire whoever they want without giving cause that these agencies
that are supposed to be independent. We've seen similar things
with regard to you know, they basically dismantled the Department
of Education. Previously, you would have assumed that seems like
(22:16):
something that Congress has to do, not the executive. Well,
the Court has allowed that to go forward, and so
it truly has allowed the Trump administration to consolidate a
massive amount of power without us getting any real logic
or reasoning from the Supreme Court about how they're thinking
through these things or whether even they would rule ultimately
(22:36):
on the merits in this direction. So this is just
the latest in what has been an extraordinary series of
victories for the Trump administration with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, your right to explain on the shadow docket. It's
a big complicated, like you said, because they did not
rule on the merits. It was Justice Kavanaugh writing, I believe,
for the majority of six' three to come through on
the shadow docket to allow the injunction to be lifted
without ruling on. Eventually it is also a consequence of
a lot of the extraordinary like legal action and extraordinary
(23:06):
behavior that's been taken on the part of The trump.
Administration but it's certainly something to. Watch, okay turning now To,
epstein some extraordinary new information being released by The House Oversight.
Committee you'll all remember the story about the so called
birthday book For Jeffrey, epstein which included a letter allegedly
(23:27):
From Donald. Trump The White house claimed that it was a,
forgery that it was a, fake that it didn't. Exist
The Wall Street journal was actually Sued Rupert murdoch and
others By Donald trump personally for, defamation claiming that no
such letter ever. Existed they said that they never even
showed them the. Letter, well the letter has now been
released to The House Overside. Committee it is part of
(23:48):
several pages now released by The Oversight committee from the
so Called Birthday book directly from the estate Of Jeffrey.
Epstein so let's make that very. Clear this was from
the estate Of Jeffrey. Epstein this so called Birthday book
that was compiled By Glainne, maxwell has a lot of
other luminaries and other interesting. People but the allegation from
The White house now is that it's a fake letter
(24:10):
which was actually planted in The epstein, ESTATE i guess
from the year two thousand and, three and since that
time has bubbled up that forgery to where we are right.
Now so just presenting, that we'll get to some of
The White house denials in a. Second but let's take
a look at the letter which was described for us
only by The Wall Street. Journal let's go and PUT
b four please up on the screen so you can
(24:31):
all see it now for. Yourself there it, is And
i'll remind you kind of the weird cryptic poem that
was written there in typeface. Voiceover there must be more
to life than having, Everything, Donald, yes there, is BUT
i won't tell you what it, Is, Jeffrey nor WILL
i SINCE i know what it. Is, Donald we have
certain things in, Common. Jeffrey, jeffrey, yes we, do come
(24:53):
to think of, It donald enigma's never. Age have you noticed, That.
Jeffrey as a matter of, fact it was clear to
me since the last TIME i saw, You, DONALD a
pal is a wonderful. Thing happy. Birthday may every day
be another wonderful. Secret DONALD. J trump with a. Signature they're,
Listed SO b five please just to go and show
everybody the initial understanding and statement from The White house
(25:15):
is quote time To News. Corp to open that. Checkbook
it's not his, signature defamation in all. Caps that is
From Taylor. Budowitch he is The Deputy White HOUSE tava
staff and a cabriage secretary there over at The White.
HOUSE a little bit of an issue, though because in
The New York times story in The Wall Street, journal
they've actually released other side by side photos Of trump's
(25:38):
signature from that time, period and they do appear to
look very. Similar so not a signature expert obviously or
any of. That you can judge it all for, yourselves
but certainly some of the story about how allegedly this
is a fake doesn't pass some of the smell, tests
considering that it does come from The epstein estate. Itself
(25:59):
by the, way, okay in terms of who leaked, this
it's very interesting originally Because, crystal some of the things
that have now come out from The epstein estate that
were released by The House Oversight committee appear to actually
have been a part of some exhibits in The Glaine maxwell,
Trial so that birthday book has probably had access both
(26:20):
BY us prosecutors in THE fbi since twenty, nineteen but
also obviously available to The Glaine maxwell legal. Teams so
still lots of speculation as to who originally leaked, it
but we can all go read it for. OURSELVES i
was reading some of it this. Morning it's unbelievably, creepy
and this is, Like i'm Taking trump out of. This
(26:40):
trump was one of many included with lude and, creepy
disgusting messages from literally some of the world's, richest most powerful.
People they're all writing in some sort of secret. Code
we have little children cartoon, drawings AND i, Mean i'm not, Exaggerating,
emily AND i will fully go through some of this stuff.
(27:01):
Tomorrow but obviously the headline here is specifically About trump
and his, denial and as part of the reason, why you,
know immediately they started saying that all The epstein files
themselves were a. Hoax but you can see here the
story's not going, away and it's becoming more inconvenient for
The White house and for everybody else who has touched
this man over the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Years that was an interesting choice of language there at the.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
End use it correctly.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Well worth regard to who leaked. IT i, mean it
is worth noting that Since Glene maxwell got her a little,
cushy moved to her low security club fed and she
had her nice little conversation with The deputy ag we
haven't gotten any more leaks, now, Haveway so that is
an interesting thing to. Note can we put the before
backup on the, screen because many people are noting this
(27:49):
did not look the way that we expected it to.
Look it is even more disturbing to see in. Person
and you, KNOW i thought that there's sort of an
assumption when you think of like a grown man drawing
a female, shape you expect giant. Boops that's What i'm
trying to. Say, Now, LISTEN i appreciate the inclusivity of
(28:13):
the small breasted woman. Community, Okay, however many are also
pointing out this actually looks like a prepubescent. Girl so
when you have The president of The United states writing
in this creepy ass code about the secrets they have
in common and, enigmas. Etc may every day be another
(28:36):
wonderful secret on this, image it is very hard to
come up with what an innocent explanation of what he
is referring to, is especially sagert to your point when
you put it in context of the rest of the,
book which is fucking. Disgusting can PUT b eight up
on the screen to give you a little taste of
(28:57):
what we're talking about in this. Book you can see
here a cartoon drawing Of Jeffrey epstein handing balloons to
little girls in the year they, say nineteen eighty, three
and then in two thousand and three the present, day
him receiving massage from you, know girls who are unclothed
or barely, clothed and it, says what a great, country
(29:19):
so seemingly a cartoon depiction of his.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Grooming, LITERALLY i mean it's a literal cartoon version of grooming,
yea including one of the girls with a je.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Tattoo OH i didn't didn't even notice that one on her.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Ass.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah AND i mean if you look at all of,
these many of them are indecipherable because they are all
speaking in this weird like eyes wide shut. Code so
the impression you come away with is a whole friend
group of extremely powerful and wealthy. Individuals Les waxner has
his contribution in, here many others, besides who all know
(29:55):
what's going on and are at the very least, aware
if not directly. Participate that is very much the impression
and come away from if you spend five minutes looking
at this disgusting.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Book, yeah, look it's all. Public you can all go
read it for. YOURSELVES i encourage you to. DO i,
mean we'll just pick the Crazy stimmich. Tomorrow i'll actually
cobate some, others by the, way some other interesting information
that we can. Connect we also have The trump one
that you MENTIONED b, Seven please we can put on the.
Screen just just goes to show you, know the kind
of the crass nature that all these guys were talking
(30:29):
to each. Other so here it appeared to be some
check like one of those large novelty checks for twenty
two five hundred dollars signed by somebody who signs A
Dj trump for To Jeffrey, epstein and the letter that
was written As jeffrey showing early talents with many women
sells quote fully depreciated blank To Donald trump for twenty two,
(30:53):
thousand five hundred dollars showed early people's skills, too presumably
in both of the. Cases Michael wolfe has pointed to
the fact That epstein And trump shared a, girlfriend which
maybe they're a wonderful secret and or they're enigma slash the,
depreciation but this is the tone that they're. Using, Yeah
and that's kind of WHAT i want to highlight is
(31:15):
that every person in his orbit just very obviously was
in on the quote. Secret and, LOOK i mean many
of these girls, like, YEAH i don't. KNOW i, mean
in some cases they're pointing to like eighteen to twenty
two year, olds which is creepy, legal but you, know
there is a children's section actually of the book with
handwritten notes literally from, children including one of what appears
(31:39):
to be a teenage girl of literally just photos of,
her like playing the. PIANO i, mean very very disgusting
to be included in the birthday. BOOK i don't know
if it was submitted by a. PARENT i don't know
what it, is but like handwritten stuff also written to
them in crayon and other types of. Drawings SO i,
(31:59):
MEAN i don't even have. Words, yeah for all of.
This it is really really. Gross it's.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Disturbing it's so.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Disturbing it connects to the political story as well as
The republicans kind of scramble on how exactly to respond to.
This my personal favorite was a new claim By speaker
of The house Of Mike johnson That trump was actually
AN fbi informant On Jeffrey. Epstein let's play b, one,
(32:27):
guys take a. Listen he's not saying that What epstein
did is a.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Hoax it's a, terrible unspeakable. Evil he believes that. Himself
when he first heard the, romhere he kicked them out
of very. Longgo he was AN nbi informant to try
to take this stuff. Down The president knows and has
great sympathy for the women who. Suffered he's. Unspeakable armed
it's detestable to. Him And i've spoken about this as
recently as point four hours.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Ago that's an extraordinary claim That trump was AN fbi.
Informant we have not yet ever seen a single document
or a release from The White house about. That by the,
way Remember trump himself said that he was mad At
jeffrey for stealing somebody from the massat or what do
you say from THE, spa which we believe Is Virginia,
goffrey who was one of the individuals who said he
(33:07):
was asked.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
About it and he, said, YEAH i, Believe, SO i
believe that's What i'm talking.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
About, okay so you know he said. It all, Right
i'm just taking that. Away he's never mentioned being AN fbi.
Informant speaker of The House mike jo.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Saying he was a white hat. Pedophile, actually it's, like,
what like WHAT b?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Two please Because Mike johnson is now, saying, GUYS i
misspoke actually about. That let's take a. Listen, well, yeah
what do you mean back when DID? I, WELL i.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Was referring to this in that long. Conversation was what
the victims attorney said more than a decade. Ago President
trump Kicked epstein out Of. Marilanco and he was one
of the only, people one of the only prominent. People
as everyone has, reported Not President, trump but everybody about,
that he was willing to hope law. Enforcement so after
(33:54):
this guy who was a disgusting child, abuser sex, trafficker
all their, allegations that's what they've. Heard so The president
was helpful in. THAT i don't know IF i use
the rag, terminalogy but that's a common knowledge.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
And everybody knows.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
That so there is much ado about.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
NOTHING i think The president tell you this specifically about
this much.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
SAID i was recounting what others have. Said The president
AND i have talked about The epstein evils many. Times
he's just disgusted by, it as everybody. Else he has
long had a history about acknowledging, that and he has
said repeatedly he wants everything to come out of all credible,
information everything for The american public to.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Decide it was if he ever asked away a wire or,
ANYTHING i, THOUGHT i have No, No i'm not saying
THAT i have no information about that.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
WHATSOEVER i was repeating what has been common knowledge for
a long. Time The president was helpful in trying to
Get epstein for the law enforcement. Gradst that's always been
my understanding of that's common. Knowledge it's the public's understanding
THAT i was not breaking news, There, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Uh common knowledge not to. Me AND i follow this
thing pretty damn, closely DON'T? I and it literally so,
look apparently this all from the Attorney Brad, edwards who
quote confirmed That trump had offered helpful information during the.
Investigation but that is a basically side quote from The
(35:12):
epstein victim. LAWYER i don't even know what he's referring.
To there's no detail or any of. That And Mike
johnson spinned it into some sort of like grand. Gesture but, yeah, look,
BROADLY i, MEAN i think what this needs to fit
into is every time that you, think you, know because
everyone knows to a certain. Extent, oh of course everybody
(35:34):
knew around him, Knew but to see it in the,
cartoon in the way that these guys all talk to,
him it's really, sickening and especially WHEN i pair. It,
LOOK i mean the pedophile stuff and all the other
in the creepy grooming, behavior et cetera That epstein was up,
to that's the most salacious. Part and that's kind of
what everybody focuses. On but the part THAT i focus
(35:56):
on is his connections to, power which enabled, potentially you,
know The sweetheart deal of two thousand and, seven and
the heart of it is all in the money and
potentially in intelligence connections which, remain you, know totally unexplored
by the vast majority of the mainstream. Media to their,
credit they did actually publish a new investigation. Here can
we PUT b three up? THERE i highly recommend everybody
(36:17):
go and read this because this is really What i've
been talking about now for several months about The epstein.
Case this is the heart of all of. It The
New York times EXPOS b. Three please to put it
up there on the, screen and what we learn from
it is just the. LOOK a lot of this was already,
public so you, KNOW i knew not much of this
was new information to, me but they've kind of put
it all, together and it's quote HOW Jp morgan enabled
(36:40):
the crimes Of Jeffrey. Epstein it details people have heard
me reference before The department Of Financial services fine Of
Deutsche bank previously and their relationship To. Epstein but you,
know the central character is this Guy Jess, staley FORMER
ceo Of, barclays A Jp morgan executive previously who worked
hand in glove With epstein over the. YEARS i, Mean
(37:02):
epstein was just enormously influential at this. Bank he got
away with stuff that, nobody not even high networth individual
people are getting away with hundreds of millions of. Dollars
they processed nearly a billion dollars in transactions in and
out of his. Account he's withdrawing hundreds of thousands of
dollars in. Cash he's wiring money all over the globe
for human trafficking. Purposes according to their own internal, REVIEW
(37:23):
Jp morgan executives and others who work on a human
trafficking squad are, like we need to shut this, down
and they're like, No and the reason why, is you,
know at certain Points epstein is more enormously influential to
introducing them to the highest and most powerful people in the,
world INCLUDING Bb nets On. Yahoo I've i've released that
(37:44):
email before and for, reference but you know they reference
it here at one point you know that Jess daley is, like,
hey we were able to secure a meeting With nets On.
Yahoo this, is by the, way After epstein has been
convicted or has had the two thousand and seven non
prosecution agreement that he you, know please, guilty And epstein
is like, surprise, surprise you, know basically saying that he
broker to the. Meeting, obviously that also includes his previous
(38:06):
relationship with The Israeli Prime minister Aud, barrock which is
well known and which you've explored here on this. Show
but this is the heart of, everything AND i want
to give a shout out To Senator Ron wyden who
has been at the forefront of this and talking about
the suspicious activity reports and other documents that are held
right now by The Treasury. Department this is the heart
of the Real epstein. Story where'd the money come? From
(38:28):
who was he sending it? To for what? Purposes why
Did Leon black pay him one hundred and seventy million? Dollars?
Why nobody can answer that question, Seriously and it's it's
the unexplored nature that potentially holds the key to this entire.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Thing, Yeah wexner had an entry in the birthday book
CASE i wanted to give, you, know what you wanted
for the birth for your, birthday and he drew a
picture of some. Boobs so that was his. Contribution it
could go deeper With Jess daily, too who there were
many people AT Jp morgan ultimately Protected. EPSTEIN i want
to say it was just this one, dude but this
(39:02):
one dude was one of the if not you was central.
Influential and we've also talked about this on the show.
Previously these emails between them were. Revealed let me read
you the relevant section from The New York. Times they
Say staley Emailed epstein while sipping white wine in the
hot tub on the, island quote next time we're here,
together he, WROTE i owe you. Much other messages were
(39:23):
littered with apparent sexual. References that was. Fun say hi
to Snow, White staley emailed in twenty. Ten epstein responded
by asking which character he would like, Next beauty and The.
Beast staley, Answered so it could be, that you, know,
certainly part of How epstein is allowed to remain A
Jp morgan, customer even after you know that all of
(39:46):
his transactions are being, flagged and even after the non prosecution,
agreement research, time in, person, whatever is because of the
money that he's bringing. In you, know he's introducing them to. Net,
yeah he's introducing them TO e One musk all of
these big business, Deals Bill, gates. Etc that's certainly part of,
it but part of it could also be you, know
what Did epstein know About? Daley what activities was he involved?
(40:06):
In and that could have been part of the modus
operandi and Certainly epstein's collecting of these powerful. People that
was another thing is they would say to each other
internally within the, bank, well if all these rich and
powerful people trust, him then, like who are we to
throw him out on the. Street so that actively was
used as a protection. Mechanism, lastly just to go back
(40:29):
to The Republican, party The Mike johnson, thing which is.
Wild you, know it strikes me as just they're so
desperate to get out from under this to somehow jiu
jitsu this into Like trump is actually the good guy here,
somehow even though he's longtime friends With epstein and we've
got this birthday book thing and he won't release the
files and we know his names and the files all
of this. Stuff they're just throwing stuff at the wall
(40:51):
and seeing what. Sticks So Mike johnson put this thing out,
here people were, like what are you talking? About that's.
Ridiculous and then he had to be, like, OH i.
MISSPOKE i didn't mean it that. Way, okay Mister speaker
of The, house you don't know what it means to
be AN fbi. Informant, Sure but we also need to
recall the Way Jadie vance originally responded to the birthday book.
Revelations he was not the only, one but he went
(41:11):
particularly hard in the paint can PUT b six up
on the. Screen this is when the First Wall Street
journal story came out that just described the birthday, book
and he, says forgive my. Language this story is complete
and utter. Bullshit The Wall Street journal should be ashamed
for publishing. It where is this? Letter would you be
shocked to learn they never showed it to us before publishing.
It does anyone honestly believe this sounds Like Donald? Trump
(41:34):
they went hard on this, Story, sager as your recall
at the, time adamant that this was, fake that it
was a, forgery that the letter doesn't, exist. Etc and
now we have, it we can all see it with our,
eyes and they're desperately trying to go with. This oh,
well that's not his real. Signature it's just, unbelievable the
way they will lie to people and think that you
(41:55):
are so dumb that you will actually believe that this
was all invented and you know it's a plant and
it Was hillary Or comy or. Whatever and it's just
it's just wild to, me the brazen nature of the
way they will lie and spin and off the skate
and grasp at straws in order to may not just this,
story but any story that's uncomfortable for them go.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Away there's only one, defense and it's not a good.
One is that they shared a twenty two year, old
legal but creepy, girlfriend and that's what all the things were,
about and he was aware of, it and he was
connected to him for many, years and then they fell
out over a STOLEN spa employee and who he then,
groomed and you, know according To Virginia, gouffrey you know
(42:35):
obviously was abused for many. Years not exactly a tale
Of White knight. Exactly and so you, know they have
to resort their highest and best defense is just to release,
everything because then you're just one of many people kind
of caught up in the. Web and we can look
for all sorts of connections that may or may not
just Include Donald, trump but include everybody but you, know
(42:56):
that's the that's the tack that they've. CHOSEN a lot
of people can see through. IT a lot of people
who are interested in this story are extremely fed up
with The trump administration's handling, it and they should. Be
they absolutely should be
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