June 20, 2024 • 31 mins
As gossip spreads and tensions mount, the women of the ton find themselves embroiled in more drama every episode. Host Gabi Collins sits down with two of the most-discussed ladies of society: Polly Walker, who plays Portia Featherington, and Jessica Madsen, who plays Cressida Cowper.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bridgerton The Official Podcast is a production of Shondaland in
partnership with iHeartRadio. Welcome back to Bridgerton the Official Podcast,
your exclusive peak behind the scenes of Shondaaland's Bridgerton series.
I'm your host, Gabby Collins. Today we're talking about episode six,
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romancing mister Bridgerton. I'm joined by two of the more
polarizing ladies of the Ton. You love to see them metal,
you love to hate on them, but mainly you just
love them. Jessica Madson, who plays Cressita Cowper in all
of her stiff sleeved glory, and Polly Walker, who plays Portia,
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the matriarch of the Featherington family. If you haven't gotten
up to speed yet, all of Bridgerton's season three is
out now, So what are you waiting for? Watch it
now on Netflix and then come back here for all
the behind the scenes goss. But before we get into it,
let's have a little whistle download for episode six. The
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ton is a buzz with Cresita's bombshell claim that she
is Lady Whistledown. Cresita's ready to do whatever it takes
to get the Queen's reward money. It's her only way
out of the marriage mart but she'll have to secure
it before her parents ship her off to the countryside. And,
knowing Cresita's talents lay outside the written word, She's gotten
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uphill battle ahead of her.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Chrisita, you mistake back your statement. We can say the
Lady Bridgetons gave you too much wine and you were overcome.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You do not believe me.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I know my daughter, Lady Whistledown is an astute writer.
You have many gifts, but cleverness is not amongst them.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Meanwhile, Penelope, the Blushing Bride is caught between two futures.
Her career as Lady Whistledown hangs in the balance. She
could easily topple Cressen's claim to her column by publishing
an issue of her own, but in the process she
might jeopardize her upcoming wedding. Poortia Featherington is all too
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happy to give pen her own advice.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Your duty is to make mister Bridgeton feel as if
he is the most important person in the world. To
cater entirely to your husband, his dreams, his wishes, at
least in the beginning. Put up my dreams. What dreams,
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ladies do not have dreams, they have husbands.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Finally, Cressidam makes a big splash at the mondrac cementing
her stake to the title of Lady Whistledown with a
short pamphlet. It seems things are changing around the ton.
Whistledown's golden era may be nearing its end, and finally
Penelope Featherington and Colin Bridgerton will be wed or will they?
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Once Colin finds his betrothed and the town gossip are
one and the same. What will the future hold for
society and for pollen.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Phew?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, let's talk about with this episode, and maybe one
of the most surprising parts is a character I never
expected to feel so strongly for. I'm talking about Cressita Cowper.
She's been serving us looks and drama over the last
few seasons, and finally, finally we're seeing her front and center.
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What will Cresteda's next move as Lady Whistledown be Let's
find out by chatting with the Talk of the toun herself,
Jessica Metson. We got to see so much more of
the life and thinking behind Cressida. You know, it was
so interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
We really delve in this season, and she wasn't just
one dimensional. In the first two seasons, we had little glimmers,
but we didn't get an insight in so it was
a real opportunity for a lot of people to form
an opinion for the first two seasons of who she is,
how she operates, and kind of being the shady girl
of the tom and this classic kind of mean girl.
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You know, I love it. I love people being like, oh,
you played the bitch, and I'm like, okay, let's not
call her the bitch.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You know, I love a good mean girl.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
But I did kind of like having that edge. I
was like, yeah, I'll take that. So when I saw
the scripts this season, I was just I think it's
really exciting to have the opportunity to show character that
everyone has an opinion on and see how that hopefully changes.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
With all of that in mind, what was it like
to get back on set and filling Cresita's shoes knowing
that the audience has already formed an opinion of Cresiita.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
We just sort of was like, all right, here we go,
let's give it a go.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I didn't know what was coming.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I never wanted to know. I just got the scripts
as they came in and really just focused on the
episodes we were filming at the time. They didn't want
her to come across vindictive or calculative or manipulative, because
we've seen that side of her and this was the
time to see like a different side.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And we do see Cressida in this season kind of
in the moment make decisions like you know what, I'm
gonna go for this, whether it's a Lord doubling or
it's five thousand pounds.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Like yeah, she's living in survival mode. She's like, what
can I grab onto? And I think she's a little
bit has that innocence and naivety that she can just
have what she wants, even though she has got what
she wanted before, she doesn't have that reality check.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I just fell in love with Cressida even more in
this season. But leading up to this, Cressida has been
that character who comes in with the fashions, honey and
the hair. Do you have This is an unfair question,
but do you have a favorite ensounble?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah? I love clothes, So I found it really emotional
in my fittings. Really its costume wise, it's like they've
jumped into mature John Glazer is amazing. He is a
wonderful human being. I adore that man so much, and
he is a genius. He's so smart how he does it.
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One of the outfits I'm wearing is actually inside out.
He's used the back of a lepper print fabric, but
so it doesn't look lepper print to us because they're
layered fabrics on top of each other. And he's just
so smart because if you looked at any one of
those fabrics, you'd be like, boy, what are you doing?
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And then suddenly when they put it all together, you're like, wow,
that is.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Phenomenal, phenomena. Wow. Okay, let's jump into episode six. We're
catching up with Cresoda after she has dropped this bombshell
of a fib that she is Lady Whistledown. Yeah, she's
sent her of attention. Hasn't really taken stock yet of
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what implications that may have for her father.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Or her Yeah, she's got no idea none. That's the
naivety I do love about her and playing her as
a character is she's just like, yeah, great, let's do this,
and then it's like you're actually essentially stealing from the queen. Now,
No one's going to marry you, and you know, what's
the likelihood of the queen and actually giving you that
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reward money? And like, there is a real Lady Whistledown
because you ain't been writing it and what's she gonna do?
You know, like she hasn't thought about any of it.
And you see that play out with the scene with
Golder where she thinks she's got this and then it's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Like, oh God, I don't got this. I should have
an issue forthcoming very soon, know.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Thine enemy, Miss Kalper.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I know Lady Whistledown as well as I know myself.
Her greatest strength is that she.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Is an observer.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What have you observed in your life other than yourself?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I feel like we see Cressida going from being this
woman seeking a mate to being like a girl and
like you said, like really naive.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
You know, I think normal as we when we're in
our teens and when we come into our early twenties
to be wearing an armor that protects us because we're like,
what is this world? And what the hell are we doing?
And so we kind of fake it till you make it.
And I think that was very much her in season
one and two and then Elouise comes along and opens
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her up in a different way, and then things start
to get more serious. It's a third year on the
marriage mark, no one's married. The precious kicking in her
parents are going to give her to this, you know,
old dude, bless his heart, and she's like, oh god,
what is my life going to look like? And it's
starting to really dawn on her that it's kind of serious.
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And then she does something really serious like step up
and say she's Lady whistledown All to get some money from,
you know, the Queen.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
We'll be right back after the break. We're back with
more bridgeton the official podcast. I think that so many
of us love that the whole villain persona falls away.
What about exploring Cresita's relationship with some of the other
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female characters. At this point in the series, Eloise is
no longer your ace, Like, she's no longer standing by
your side and being really helpful to you. So you
actually turn to your mom. You actually turn to your mother.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, the pressure of everything going on is just too much.
It starts to outweigh her reason. She becomes like a
driving force to get what she needs and what she
wants and if she isn't gonna have you on her
side at that point, it's just not gonna work. And
it's like she opens up with Eloise and then she
shuts really quickly when Eloise is like, I'm not going
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to help you, and it happens very quickly, and when
she says I can't do this, the sharpness comes straight
back in. Is this truly about Whistledown. Yeah, it's no
wonder if Anethe abandoned you.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
What do you have to do is talk? You are
clearly just envious, and I've made something of myself.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Perhaps I am envisib Whistledown. It is quite a feat,
and after spending a season feeling nearly invisible, I almost
understand why one might be driven to write it congratulations
on a hard earned success.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Which I think just shows it's a protection because her
vulnerability has been threatened. She's scared. A lot of it
is working with fear. She's outed herself as Lady Whistledown.
Her mum knows now. Her mom starts to make her
realize this is incredibly serious. What are you going to do?
And she helps her read me what you have written,
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dear reader. It is I lady whistledown today, I bring
you much gossip from about the many lands near and far,
far and wide?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Is that all so far? O, dear Mamma. I'm frightened.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But I think what's interesting is you realize they have
a very cold relationship to start with. There's not a
lot of warmth there, and this seems like the first
time some warmth is creeping in. I don't think her
parents gave her a lot of warmth. There's something cold
there in the Kouper house, but we do see that
she is warm and in a very controlled way. And
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so you see this restriction that the Kauper women have
in a really sad way, but also in a very
tough way. You know, they're both tough cookies.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's tough.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
It's like, how is she going to find the way
out of that? And then there is just the fundamentals
that she still has learnt to talk in a certain way,
to conduct herself in a certain way, and to be
interested in certain things because that's what her mother has
taught her. She's a blueprint of her parents, who are
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a blueprint of theirs, and you can see it in
the Kawper house. Just all of these male statues haunting
the walls. You're like, whoa, Okay, this is scary.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Ancestry so dark. Yes, compared to the other homes that
we've seen, it's such a dark residence. I spoke with
someone in recent weeks. You said it was designed to
feel like you were in a carfin.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
You also feel like you're in hell. The hallway is amazing.
It's charcoal on the walls, but the ceiling is yellow orange.
They're like, this is hell. That set was incredible to
sit in and be in because it gave you everything
you needed to feel.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
You sat there and you were like, right, well, I
don't feel good. Wow, I don't feel well in this space.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We started this conversation talking about dresses, and so I
would like to end on dresses first and foremost. Your sleeves.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
I mean, I think one of them can fit two
people's heads in there.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They just get bigger and bigger.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
They were growing.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I did have a reaction to those sleeves. I couldn't
believe my eyes. And actually, the funniest thing those sleeves
is I couldn't ever get a coat on because my
sleeves were so big so I would wear a robe,
and so I looked like an American football player, right,
So I'd always walk around like I was this macho dude, which, Yeah,
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it made me feel quite powerful.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Actually, I'm pretty good about myself.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
They are extraordinary And it's funny because she looks so sad,
lavish beautiful dresses, but she's yeahs terrified.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You also have this show stopping moment in episode six
where you're stretting into the ball in the red. Yes,
it's just this, that's my favorite. That's your favorite? Yeah,
tell me why.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's that dress.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I've never worn a dress like it in my life.
And it being red and the sparkles and the bow
on the back of the dress. It was wearing a sculpture.
It was huge on my back, and I loved the
shoulders going up in this sort of vampire's wife esque
with the point.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I just felt very powerful in it.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
A lot of the time, I feel like the costume
really gave me her strength and her structure.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Begets to walk in in that red dress.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
That's brave to just go in it. And I didn't
have a choice, you know, like I'm putting it and
I've got to do it. So I was like, she
brave to come in in this like, here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
They had these little tear drops hanging off the hair
piece and my makeup was red. I have red eyes. Yeah,
so it's like they went to town on the red. Yes,
that look was amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Thank you so much, Jessica, Thank you so lovely to
talk to you. We'll be back after the break to
talk to one of Bridgerton's most formidable Mama's Polly Walker
missus Porsia Featherington. Look, if there's anyone in the ton
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who was going to do whatever she needs to get
what she wants, it's our day one social climber our
Charshreo's loving legendary Mama Porsche Featherington, a life of ease
is nearly in her grasp, finally marrying off one of
her daughters to a Bridgerton. But first Porsha's got some
mothering to do.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Guilt flowers covering the carriage from the church.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
The reception very tasteful.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
My lady, and much shall we ride in a court?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I did not get gilt flowers when I was wed.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
That's because you were not marrying a man with unlimited funds.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So we sat down with Polly Walker to get the
inside scoop on Polly's approach to playing this iconic mamma
of the Ton and how Porsche is just trying to
do the best she can for her girls.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Some people get her and are amused by her, and
some people just go ooh, she's so mean.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Now I love Porsia. I get her.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think when you play any character, you have to
feel compassion, sympathy and love for them no matter what.
And for Porsche, I feel enormous sympathy, as I would
any woman who was in these circumstances. Her ways of
expressing herself are not always the most sensitive, that's for sure.
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She is a little superficial, but that's because she's not
had time to explore or even know that it was
an option to have an internal life or to have
needs other than do I have the best dresses? Do
I look good at this ball? Are my daughters getting married?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm sure she lies in bed at night and sort
of stares at the ceiling and goes, I'm not feeling great,
but she'd have no idea why, and her daughters have
complete nightmares at time.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The ensemble of the four of you is remarkable. It's
it's some of my favorite stuff to look at to watch.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's fun. I mean, they're great, all of them.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So let's talk a little about episode six. You've been
vying for this social climb and securing all of your daughters,
this future too. You got two down, one to go,
and you've finally got it. You're watching one of your
daughters and you, I would guess Porsche become a Bridgiton
through marriage. I'm wondering how that sense of urgency affected
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the way you played Porsche.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
She's desperate for some security. I mean it's quite serious
for such a frothy series. You know, it's lighthearted and romantic,
but you know, you still have to play the emotions
for real. And I think she's been scared for a
long time. I think she's also really quite proud of Peneope.
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I think she sees it as a huge achievement, and
I think she's living slightly vicariously through her. She goes,
my God, you can have love, you can have all
these things. I think it's a revelation to her. I
think penelopea she opens her eyes to what a relationship
and what love and what being a woman can be.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
As you're saying that, I'm just like thinking back, Porscha
really has been through a lot the lass.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
She's been tortured.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
She's been through a lot, and.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
She's been tortured, and I think, you know, it all
ends well. All all's well, that ends well in the end,
and I think she deserves it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Let's go back to talking a little bit about your
relationship with the three daughters altogether, and I would love
to just hear a little bit of what being on
set with Nikola Coughlin, Bessie Carter and Harriet Kanes is, like, well.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I mean, we've been doing this now since twenty nineteen,
so we've got to know each other very well, so
you feel very comfortable with each other on the set.
They're great girls, They're always super prepared. They're all excellent actresses,
and they embody those characters. I feel very protective and
maternal towards them meet Polly does, and so I think
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that helps. I like them all enormously. It's fun, it's relaxed,
you don't have to try, it's not hard work getting
into the scene or it's fun. I feel very fortunate
that we all have that dynamic, but they're all lovely girls.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Say, Actually, I Polly would love to get into this
moment where in this episode you say to Penelope, I
have never liked that color, but it's winning on you.
Porsche compliments Penelope, which almost seems like a surprise to
Penelope and maybe to some viewers it'll be like, oh
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my goodness, is this the closest that Porsche has to
actually giving Penelope a compliment? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think it's an acknowledgment of her daughter's achievements. She's
been forced to look at her with fresh eyes and
to recognize that she's not my little pet or my Dolly,
and that you know, she's an individual and doing really,
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really well. It might not be her first choice if
she had to pick a color, but it you know,
she's rocking it. She's looking good in it, but it's
not her thing. Yellow is.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Did you imagine that Porsche was healing old wounds with Penelope?
Was that kind of like an olive bread?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Maybe on Penelope's perspective, but I don't think Porsche's that
evolved yet. I think maybe that's next series. No, I
think it's an opportunity for Penelope to recognize that her
mother is trying. It's not an easy relationship. It's not
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a perfect relationship for me too, not just for them.
You know, it's not just them thinking I've got or
Penelope thinking what a terrible mother I've got. You know,
I've been incredibly disappointed with the daughters that God gave
me as well. It's her two way street. But she
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does recognize that Penelope, she has misjudged her, and it
actually she's pretty special.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
That's so funny because I was just thinking you poor.
She yanks it away when she tells Penelope, ladies don't
have dreams. They have husbands.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
That's right. And she's a realist. Yeah, she's a realist.
They do have husbands. But that's where I think that
she gets enlightened eventually, because Penelope does manage to have
a relationship where you know, they have great friends, they
have great respect for one another. But that's not something
that I thought even was an option or a possibility.
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I mean, it's like another language. She's like teaching me
another language. When Porscha got married, yeah, I think she
was a catch. I think she thought that she was
marrying her prince charming and that it's been miserable ever since,
but that she's gained significance in her life through her daughters.
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That's where she's poured all her love. I mean, I
think you're taught how to be a parent, and not
everyone is, or you're shown how to love. You know,
you have to be exposed to good love, and she wasn't.
And she's doing the best she can. But she's a
good person and she has a very very good heart,
and you know she would fight the death her daughters,
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but she's limited.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I chose a match for security and he could not
even provide that, but he gave me you girls, And
my greatest wish is always being for you three to
do better than I did.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
And you have. Were there any figures in your life
personally who gave you a negative advice that you've stuck to?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Ah? Hello, I mean, gosh. I have two sisters and
a brother, and I have depended on them different times,
with each of them differently at various times in my life,
and my parents as well. I mean for me, families, everything,
and I have children. I'm an incredibly maternal person. I
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have very strong maternal feelings, so I've used all those things.
Playing Porsche but just put it in the mixer and
turned it on and put some color dyeing and scrambled
it and.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Some really neon colored dye.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, neo. Yeah. I mean you have to use you
have to use yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I mean, who's to say Porsia isn't technically maternal.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
It's just it comes out weird and it. Yeah, it's
a bit weird the way she expresses it. And she
is a bit weird, and she is a bit of
an outlier. She struggles socially, she does. She feels judged
by everyone. She feels like the outcast at every party,
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but that's probably because people have looked down on her
and her weird daughters.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
There's this moment where Penelope is told by Eloise, you know,
the lady whistledown papers, it's just it's just a gossip column.
Let it go. We see several times that Penelope's character
faces either someone telling her just let it go, or
they couldn't imagine, like Lady Delaquais, that they couldn't imagine
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letting go of their own aspirations. And it makes me
wonder if Porsia actually had any aspirations.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think Porsche has high expectations for herself.
I think she wants the best things in life. I
think she likes the finer things in life, that's for sure,
and I think she truly believes she deserves them. But
as far as having a profession, good God know, or
having some kind of vocation, no, no, no, Yeah. If
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you want to comfort tea at Porsche, she'd throw a
wonderful tea party, a very lavish tea party. She'd do
all that. If you wanted to get a makeover, I'm
the one. But I think the expectations for women were
so small. The expectations are very, very narrow, and it
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was to provide an air and to be a good mother,
and to get your daughters married to delightful men like
I managed to pull up for my daughters. You know,
with Colin, you know, she hit the jackpot. But the
other two I love them, but you know they're not
everybody's cup of tea for a husband, are they.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Before I let you go, I want to know what
moments let you carry with you from your time on set.
But anything for you that's near and dear.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
A lot of it is near and dear. It's been
an amazing ride and I feel very fortunately I've been
given a quirky character and I feel very fond of her,
and I feel like I privileged to have had the
opportunity to kind of look after Porsche for these few
years and not turn her into some panto baddie. You
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know that I've hopefully given her some humanity and people
will feel compassion for her and tenderness as opposed it's
to you know, disdain. But it's a big, old production,
and it takes a long time, and it's long hours
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and long days, and the costumes and the hair are
mega and the costumes are amazing, but help So the
acting is the easy part. It's that how do I
get through the day in this corset and still be
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alive at the end of it? So that's the challenge,
and the acting is the fun part. But it's been
an amazing ride and I've there so many people I
love on it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, Polly, it was so fun speaking with you. I
absolutely love Porsche. She is in safe hands with you.
I love Porscha Featherington. She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Well I do too, So I'm glad that you got her.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yes, I get her. Thank you for listening to this episode.
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partnership with iHeartRadio. Welcome back to Bridgerton the Official Podcast,
your exclusive peak behind the scenes of Shondaaland's Bridgerton series.
I'm your host, Gabby Collins. Today we're talking about episode six,
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romancing mister Bridgerton. I'm joined by two of the more
polarizing ladies of the Ton. You love to see them metal,
you love to hate on them, but mainly you just
love them. Jessica Madson, who plays Cressita Cowper in all
of her stiff sleeved glory, and Polly Walker, who plays Portia,
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the matriarch of the Featherington family. If you haven't gotten
up to speed yet, all of Bridgerton's season three is
out now, So what are you waiting for? Watch it
now on Netflix and then come back here for all
the behind the scenes goss. But before we get into it,
let's have a little whistle download for episode six. The
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ton is a buzz with Cresita's bombshell claim that she
is Lady Whistledown. Cresita's ready to do whatever it takes
to get the Queen's reward money. It's her only way
out of the marriage mart but she'll have to secure
it before her parents ship her off to the countryside. And,
knowing Cresita's talents lay outside the written word, She's gotten
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uphill battle ahead of her.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Chrisita, you mistake back your statement. We can say the
Lady Bridgetons gave you too much wine and you were overcome.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You do not believe me.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I know my daughter, Lady Whistledown is an astute writer.
You have many gifts, but cleverness is not amongst them.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Meanwhile, Penelope, the Blushing Bride is caught between two futures.
Her career as Lady Whistledown hangs in the balance. She
could easily topple Cressen's claim to her column by publishing
an issue of her own, but in the process she
might jeopardize her upcoming wedding. Poortia Featherington is all too
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happy to give pen her own advice.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Your duty is to make mister Bridgeton feel as if
he is the most important person in the world. To
cater entirely to your husband, his dreams, his wishes, at
least in the beginning. Put up my dreams. What dreams,
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ladies do not have dreams, they have husbands.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Finally, Cressidam makes a big splash at the mondrac cementing
her stake to the title of Lady Whistledown with a
short pamphlet. It seems things are changing around the ton.
Whistledown's golden era may be nearing its end, and finally
Penelope Featherington and Colin Bridgerton will be wed or will they?
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Once Colin finds his betrothed and the town gossip are
one and the same. What will the future hold for
society and for pollen.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Phew?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, let's talk about with this episode, and maybe one
of the most surprising parts is a character I never
expected to feel so strongly for. I'm talking about Cressita Cowper.
She's been serving us looks and drama over the last
few seasons, and finally, finally we're seeing her front and center.
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What will Cresteda's next move as Lady Whistledown be Let's
find out by chatting with the Talk of the toun herself,
Jessica Metson. We got to see so much more of
the life and thinking behind Cressida. You know, it was
so interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
We really delve in this season, and she wasn't just
one dimensional. In the first two seasons, we had little glimmers,
but we didn't get an insight in so it was
a real opportunity for a lot of people to form
an opinion for the first two seasons of who she is,
how she operates, and kind of being the shady girl
of the tom and this classic kind of mean girl.
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You know, I love it. I love people being like, oh,
you played the bitch, and I'm like, okay, let's not
call her the bitch.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You know, I love a good mean girl.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
But I did kind of like having that edge. I
was like, yeah, I'll take that. So when I saw
the scripts this season, I was just I think it's
really exciting to have the opportunity to show character that
everyone has an opinion on and see how that hopefully changes.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
With all of that in mind, what was it like
to get back on set and filling Cresita's shoes knowing
that the audience has already formed an opinion of Cresiita.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
We just sort of was like, all right, here we go,
let's give it a go.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I didn't know what was coming.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I never wanted to know. I just got the scripts
as they came in and really just focused on the
episodes we were filming at the time. They didn't want
her to come across vindictive or calculative or manipulative, because
we've seen that side of her and this was the
time to see like a different side.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And we do see Cressida in this season kind of
in the moment make decisions like you know what, I'm
gonna go for this, whether it's a Lord doubling or
it's five thousand pounds.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Like yeah, she's living in survival mode. She's like, what
can I grab onto? And I think she's a little
bit has that innocence and naivety that she can just
have what she wants, even though she has got what
she wanted before, she doesn't have that reality check.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I just fell in love with Cressida even more in
this season. But leading up to this, Cressida has been
that character who comes in with the fashions, honey and
the hair. Do you have This is an unfair question,
but do you have a favorite ensounble?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah? I love clothes, So I found it really emotional
in my fittings. Really its costume wise, it's like they've
jumped into mature John Glazer is amazing. He is a
wonderful human being. I adore that man so much, and
he is a genius. He's so smart how he does it.
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One of the outfits I'm wearing is actually inside out.
He's used the back of a lepper print fabric, but
so it doesn't look lepper print to us because they're
layered fabrics on top of each other. And he's just
so smart because if you looked at any one of
those fabrics, you'd be like, boy, what are you doing?
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And then suddenly when they put it all together, you're like, wow,
that is.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Phenomenal, phenomena. Wow. Okay, let's jump into episode six. We're
catching up with Cresoda after she has dropped this bombshell
of a fib that she is Lady Whistledown. Yeah, she's
sent her of attention. Hasn't really taken stock yet of
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what implications that may have for her father.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Or her Yeah, she's got no idea none. That's the
naivety I do love about her and playing her as
a character is she's just like, yeah, great, let's do this,
and then it's like you're actually essentially stealing from the queen. Now,
No one's going to marry you, and you know, what's
the likelihood of the queen and actually giving you that
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reward money? And like, there is a real Lady Whistledown
because you ain't been writing it and what's she gonna do?
You know, like she hasn't thought about any of it.
And you see that play out with the scene with
Golder where she thinks she's got this and then it's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Like, oh God, I don't got this. I should have
an issue forthcoming very soon, know.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Thine enemy, Miss Kalper.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I know Lady Whistledown as well as I know myself.
Her greatest strength is that she.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Is an observer.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What have you observed in your life other than yourself?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I feel like we see Cressida going from being this
woman seeking a mate to being like a girl and
like you said, like really naive.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
You know, I think normal as we when we're in
our teens and when we come into our early twenties
to be wearing an armor that protects us because we're like,
what is this world? And what the hell are we doing?
And so we kind of fake it till you make it.
And I think that was very much her in season
one and two and then Elouise comes along and opens
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her up in a different way, and then things start
to get more serious. It's a third year on the
marriage mark, no one's married. The precious kicking in her
parents are going to give her to this, you know,
old dude, bless his heart, and she's like, oh god,
what is my life going to look like? And it's
starting to really dawn on her that it's kind of serious.
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And then she does something really serious like step up
and say she's Lady whistledown All to get some money from,
you know, the Queen.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
We'll be right back after the break. We're back with
more bridgeton the official podcast. I think that so many
of us love that the whole villain persona falls away.
What about exploring Cresita's relationship with some of the other
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female characters. At this point in the series, Eloise is
no longer your ace, Like, she's no longer standing by
your side and being really helpful to you. So you
actually turn to your mom. You actually turn to your mother.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, the pressure of everything going on is just too much.
It starts to outweigh her reason. She becomes like a
driving force to get what she needs and what she
wants and if she isn't gonna have you on her
side at that point, it's just not gonna work. And
it's like she opens up with Eloise and then she
shuts really quickly when Eloise is like, I'm not going
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to help you, and it happens very quickly, and when
she says I can't do this, the sharpness comes straight
back in. Is this truly about Whistledown. Yeah, it's no
wonder if Anethe abandoned you.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
What do you have to do is talk? You are
clearly just envious, and I've made something of myself.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Perhaps I am envisib Whistledown. It is quite a feat,
and after spending a season feeling nearly invisible, I almost
understand why one might be driven to write it congratulations
on a hard earned success.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Which I think just shows it's a protection because her
vulnerability has been threatened. She's scared. A lot of it
is working with fear. She's outed herself as Lady Whistledown.
Her mum knows now. Her mom starts to make her
realize this is incredibly serious. What are you going to do?
And she helps her read me what you have written,
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dear reader. It is I lady whistledown today, I bring
you much gossip from about the many lands near and far,
far and wide?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Is that all so far? O, dear Mamma. I'm frightened.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But I think what's interesting is you realize they have
a very cold relationship to start with. There's not a
lot of warmth there, and this seems like the first
time some warmth is creeping in. I don't think her
parents gave her a lot of warmth. There's something cold
there in the Kouper house, but we do see that
she is warm and in a very controlled way. And
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so you see this restriction that the Kauper women have
in a really sad way, but also in a very
tough way. You know, they're both tough cookies.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's tough.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
It's like, how is she going to find the way
out of that? And then there is just the fundamentals
that she still has learnt to talk in a certain way,
to conduct herself in a certain way, and to be
interested in certain things because that's what her mother has
taught her. She's a blueprint of her parents, who are
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a blueprint of theirs, and you can see it in
the Kawper house. Just all of these male statues haunting
the walls. You're like, whoa, Okay, this is scary.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Ancestry so dark. Yes, compared to the other homes that
we've seen, it's such a dark residence. I spoke with
someone in recent weeks. You said it was designed to
feel like you were in a carfin.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
You also feel like you're in hell. The hallway is amazing.
It's charcoal on the walls, but the ceiling is yellow orange.
They're like, this is hell. That set was incredible to
sit in and be in because it gave you everything
you needed to feel.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
You sat there and you were like, right, well, I
don't feel good. Wow, I don't feel well in this space.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We started this conversation talking about dresses, and so I
would like to end on dresses first and foremost. Your sleeves.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
I mean, I think one of them can fit two
people's heads in there.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They just get bigger and bigger.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
They were growing.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I did have a reaction to those sleeves. I couldn't
believe my eyes. And actually, the funniest thing those sleeves
is I couldn't ever get a coat on because my
sleeves were so big so I would wear a robe,
and so I looked like an American football player, right,
So I'd always walk around like I was this macho dude, which, Yeah,
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it made me feel quite powerful.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Actually, I'm pretty good about myself.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
They are extraordinary And it's funny because she looks so sad,
lavish beautiful dresses, but she's yeahs terrified.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
You also have this show stopping moment in episode six
where you're stretting into the ball in the red. Yes,
it's just this, that's my favorite. That's your favorite? Yeah,
tell me why.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's that dress.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I've never worn a dress like it in my life.
And it being red and the sparkles and the bow
on the back of the dress. It was wearing a sculpture.
It was huge on my back, and I loved the
shoulders going up in this sort of vampire's wife esque
with the point.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I just felt very powerful in it.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
A lot of the time, I feel like the costume
really gave me her strength and her structure.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Begets to walk in in that red dress.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
That's brave to just go in it. And I didn't
have a choice, you know, like I'm putting it and
I've got to do it. So I was like, she
brave to come in in this like, here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
They had these little tear drops hanging off the hair
piece and my makeup was red. I have red eyes. Yeah,
so it's like they went to town on the red. Yes,
that look was amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Thank you so much, Jessica, Thank you so lovely to
talk to you. We'll be back after the break to
talk to one of Bridgerton's most formidable Mama's Polly Walker
missus Porsia Featherington. Look, if there's anyone in the ton
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who was going to do whatever she needs to get
what she wants, it's our day one social climber our
Charshreo's loving legendary Mama Porsche Featherington, a life of ease
is nearly in her grasp, finally marrying off one of
her daughters to a Bridgerton. But first Porsha's got some
mothering to do.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Guilt flowers covering the carriage from the church.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
The reception very tasteful.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
My lady, and much shall we ride in a court?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I did not get gilt flowers when I was wed.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
That's because you were not marrying a man with unlimited funds.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So we sat down with Polly Walker to get the
inside scoop on Polly's approach to playing this iconic mamma
of the Ton and how Porsche is just trying to
do the best she can for her girls.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Some people get her and are amused by her, and
some people just go ooh, she's so mean.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Now I love Porsia. I get her.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think when you play any character, you have to
feel compassion, sympathy and love for them no matter what.
And for Porsche, I feel enormous sympathy, as I would
any woman who was in these circumstances. Her ways of
expressing herself are not always the most sensitive, that's for sure.
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She is a little superficial, but that's because she's not
had time to explore or even know that it was
an option to have an internal life or to have
needs other than do I have the best dresses? Do
I look good at this ball? Are my daughters getting married?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm sure she lies in bed at night and sort
of stares at the ceiling and goes, I'm not feeling great,
but she'd have no idea why, and her daughters have
complete nightmares at time.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The ensemble of the four of you is remarkable. It's
it's some of my favorite stuff to look at to watch.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's fun. I mean, they're great, all of them.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So let's talk a little about episode six. You've been
vying for this social climb and securing all of your daughters,
this future too. You got two down, one to go,
and you've finally got it. You're watching one of your
daughters and you, I would guess Porsche become a Bridgiton
through marriage. I'm wondering how that sense of urgency affected
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the way you played Porsche.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
She's desperate for some security. I mean it's quite serious
for such a frothy series. You know, it's lighthearted and romantic,
but you know, you still have to play the emotions
for real. And I think she's been scared for a
long time. I think she's also really quite proud of Peneope.
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I think she sees it as a huge achievement, and
I think she's living slightly vicariously through her. She goes,
my God, you can have love, you can have all
these things. I think it's a revelation to her. I
think penelopea she opens her eyes to what a relationship
and what love and what being a woman can be.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
As you're saying that, I'm just like thinking back, Porscha
really has been through a lot the lass.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
She's been tortured.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
She's been through a lot, and.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
She's been tortured, and I think, you know, it all
ends well. All all's well, that ends well in the end,
and I think she deserves it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Let's go back to talking a little bit about your
relationship with the three daughters altogether, and I would love
to just hear a little bit of what being on
set with Nikola Coughlin, Bessie Carter and Harriet Kanes is, like, well.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I mean, we've been doing this now since twenty nineteen,
so we've got to know each other very well, so
you feel very comfortable with each other on the set.
They're great girls, They're always super prepared. They're all excellent actresses,
and they embody those characters. I feel very protective and
maternal towards them meet Polly does, and so I think
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that helps. I like them all enormously. It's fun, it's relaxed,
you don't have to try, it's not hard work getting
into the scene or it's fun. I feel very fortunate
that we all have that dynamic, but they're all lovely girls.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Say, Actually, I Polly would love to get into this
moment where in this episode you say to Penelope, I
have never liked that color, but it's winning on you.
Porsche compliments Penelope, which almost seems like a surprise to
Penelope and maybe to some viewers it'll be like, oh
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my goodness, is this the closest that Porsche has to
actually giving Penelope a compliment? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think it's an acknowledgment of her daughter's achievements. She's
been forced to look at her with fresh eyes and
to recognize that she's not my little pet or my Dolly,
and that you know, she's an individual and doing really,
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really well. It might not be her first choice if
she had to pick a color, but it you know,
she's rocking it. She's looking good in it, but it's
not her thing. Yellow is.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Did you imagine that Porsche was healing old wounds with Penelope?
Was that kind of like an olive bread?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Maybe on Penelope's perspective, but I don't think Porsche's that
evolved yet. I think maybe that's next series. No, I
think it's an opportunity for Penelope to recognize that her
mother is trying. It's not an easy relationship. It's not
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a perfect relationship for me too, not just for them.
You know, it's not just them thinking I've got or
Penelope thinking what a terrible mother I've got. You know,
I've been incredibly disappointed with the daughters that God gave
me as well. It's her two way street. But she
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does recognize that Penelope, she has misjudged her, and it
actually she's pretty special.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
That's so funny because I was just thinking you poor.
She yanks it away when she tells Penelope, ladies don't
have dreams. They have husbands.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
That's right. And she's a realist. Yeah, she's a realist.
They do have husbands. But that's where I think that
she gets enlightened eventually, because Penelope does manage to have
a relationship where you know, they have great friends, they
have great respect for one another. But that's not something
that I thought even was an option or a possibility.
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I mean, it's like another language. She's like teaching me
another language. When Porscha got married, yeah, I think she
was a catch. I think she thought that she was
marrying her prince charming and that it's been miserable ever since,
but that she's gained significance in her life through her daughters.
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That's where she's poured all her love. I mean, I
think you're taught how to be a parent, and not
everyone is, or you're shown how to love. You know,
you have to be exposed to good love, and she wasn't.
And she's doing the best she can. But she's a
good person and she has a very very good heart,
and you know she would fight the death her daughters,
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but she's limited.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I chose a match for security and he could not
even provide that, but he gave me you girls, And
my greatest wish is always being for you three to
do better than I did.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
And you have. Were there any figures in your life
personally who gave you a negative advice that you've stuck to?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Ah? Hello, I mean, gosh. I have two sisters and
a brother, and I have depended on them different times,
with each of them differently at various times in my life,
and my parents as well. I mean for me, families, everything,
and I have children. I'm an incredibly maternal person. I
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have very strong maternal feelings, so I've used all those things.
Playing Porsche but just put it in the mixer and
turned it on and put some color dyeing and scrambled
it and.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Some really neon colored dye.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, neo. Yeah. I mean you have to use you
have to use yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I mean, who's to say Porsia isn't technically maternal.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
It's just it comes out weird and it. Yeah, it's
a bit weird the way she expresses it. And she
is a bit weird, and she is a bit of
an outlier. She struggles socially, she does. She feels judged
by everyone. She feels like the outcast at every party,
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but that's probably because people have looked down on her
and her weird daughters.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
There's this moment where Penelope is told by Eloise, you know,
the lady whistledown papers, it's just it's just a gossip column.
Let it go. We see several times that Penelope's character
faces either someone telling her just let it go, or
they couldn't imagine, like Lady Delaquais, that they couldn't imagine
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letting go of their own aspirations. And it makes me
wonder if Porsia actually had any aspirations.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think Porsche has high expectations for herself.
I think she wants the best things in life. I
think she likes the finer things in life, that's for sure,
and I think she truly believes she deserves them. But
as far as having a profession, good God know, or
having some kind of vocation, no, no, no, Yeah. If
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you want to comfort tea at Porsche, she'd throw a
wonderful tea party, a very lavish tea party. She'd do
all that. If you wanted to get a makeover, I'm
the one. But I think the expectations for women were
so small. The expectations are very, very narrow, and it
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was to provide an air and to be a good mother,
and to get your daughters married to delightful men like
I managed to pull up for my daughters. You know,
with Colin, you know, she hit the jackpot. But the
other two I love them, but you know they're not
everybody's cup of tea for a husband, are they.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Before I let you go, I want to know what
moments let you carry with you from your time on set.
But anything for you that's near and dear.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
A lot of it is near and dear. It's been
an amazing ride and I feel very fortunately I've been
given a quirky character and I feel very fond of her,
and I feel like I privileged to have had the
opportunity to kind of look after Porsche for these few
years and not turn her into some panto baddie. You
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know that I've hopefully given her some humanity and people
will feel compassion for her and tenderness as opposed it's
to you know, disdain. But it's a big, old production,
and it takes a long time, and it's long hours
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and long days, and the costumes and the hair are
mega and the costumes are amazing, but help So the
acting is the easy part. It's that how do I
get through the day in this corset and still be
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alive at the end of it? So that's the challenge,
and the acting is the fun part. But it's been
an amazing ride and I've there so many people I
love on it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, Polly, it was so fun speaking with you. I
absolutely love Porsche. She is in safe hands with you.
I love Porscha Featherington. She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Well I do too, So I'm glad that you got her.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yes, I get her. Thank you for listening to this episode.
Of Bridgerton, the Official Podcast. Tune in next week to
dive into episode seven, where I'll be joined by three guests,
Director Tom Verica, Ruth Gemmel, who plays Lady Bridgerton, and
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Luke Thompson, who plays Benedict Bridgerton. It's going to be
a special one. Bridgerton the Official Podcast is produced by
Shondaland Audio and Wonder Media Network. This show is executive
produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alha, Lauren Homan, Jenny Kaplan,
and Emily Rudder. Our producers are Sarah Schleid, Edie Allard,
(30:58):
and Carmen Borca Carrio. This episode is edited by Jenny
Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our associate producers are Lauren Williams
and Akiah mcnight and I am your Host, Gabrielle Collins.
If you haven't finished binging Bridgerton, please head to Netflix
so you can enjoy these spoilers with us each week.
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