April 25, 2025 • 16 mins
One of our listeners THOUGHT he had a second chance all lined up with his date, but a single one-word text message brought that reality crashing down. Hear what it was coming up in a new Second Date Update!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second date updated. You ever have a date with someone
where you plan to do one thing together, but then
the date night gets closer and suddenly you decide, eh,
you know what, forget dinner, let's do paintball instead.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You get a little.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Closer and plans change again, and then your plans change
another time. I keep changing. Some people could see that
and think, oh, this person is spontaneous and creative.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Or just indecisive.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Others might see it as chaotic and indecisive. Today, our listener,
James isn't sure where he falls because he says his
plans kept changing, so didn't go out on two dates,
didn't go out on one? He calls it one date
and a half.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Let's learn about it. James, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hey, thank you guys so much.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You get it.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
There's a couple indecisive people, including myself on this show.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So I don't understand you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, are you indecisive? Do you keep changing plans or
just the world keep changing your plans?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean you know life is life and.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You know life and put that on a bumper. Yeah yeah, okay,
but life was coming at you and you had to
switch things.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Up, right, Yeah? I mean because after our first date, man,
she texts me and says, she had a great time.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You want to do it again?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wait? Who is she? We don't know who she is.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Okay, her name is Lisa and absolutely gorgeous. She could
be Zoli's on Donna's older sister.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Who Yeah, wow, I don't know who that is, but
the name is the blue girl from Avatar. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I can't really see what she looks like in that
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Then, I mean, not fat, but she's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Okay, that's awesome, that's exciting.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Where did you meet her? Did you say, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
But we met on a dating app?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
And so yeah, we have say interests and stuff like that.
I have, like my own company, I have to travel
a lot, and I know with her with her job,
she has to travel.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
So okay, that's always nice to find somebody who understands that.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, business right, right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
But I mean, like for three weeks, you know, we
were just can we meet here? And she's like, oh no,
my schedule. I got to go out of town. Okay,
all right, first week out of town. Then the following
week I had to go out of town. So one
day I said well, hey, well what about here, Let's
meet at this place? She said, well, you know, my
girls were going to brunch a day. I said, well, hey,
after your brunch, let's just hang out and just have
(02:35):
some drinks or something more.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Drinks, because brunch doesn't come without drinks.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The fact that anybody could walk away from a brunch
is that's just impressive in itself, right right.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
And I mean if we didn't go there, I mean,
if it was a nice little place that was next door,
that we could have had our privacy.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Okay, well that's nice too, because like you're trying to
accommodate her busy schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, I'm sure she appreciated that.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Okay, So how did she respond to that idea?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well, see, that's what I'm gonna say, man. Her response
was like, never mind, Like what wait?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And this is after you'd already gone on one good date.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Right, We did on one date, and I was trying
to get a half date by going like after brunch.
But again, I know three weeks had passed. I know,
things happen and you get back into your routine. So
I'm like, yo, at least let me see you or something.
You know, let's let's just drive by each other and
wave by. But I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That is weird?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Or maybe she does know like me and my friends
get drinks, I don't want to meet up with you.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, planning stuff back to back can feel so overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah totally.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Did she plan anything else with you after that?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
She said never mind? And I mean even she could
have said we could we meet before the.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Brunch so early I let's get a great pair.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So before we keep going, let's just rewind back for
a second here, James, can we know a little bit
about date number one?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's a good point, Like where did you guys go?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
What was so great about it? Just give us a
few details so that we know what it was like.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So we went to this Italian restaurant, real nice during
happy hour and had a great time salad, you know,
pops and were trying to watch those carbs and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
But salad time.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, as much as much dressing as you.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Want, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I never understand why people who were worried about carbs
go to an Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's all right. I mean, how was the conversation, the
connection between you two.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, I mean it was good. We had great conversation,
we found out we liked certain things, you know, our
spirit animal. I don't want to go into too much detail,
but okay, hey, I forgot to say, and she we
did have a kiss.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You did?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, there was a kid's right, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
At the end of the day. Nothing to elaborate, but
just nice kiss is like cool. And then I get
this text. She enjoyed it, she had a great time,
and she said, let's do this again.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
So there was like no doubt in your mind that
this was going somewhere exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think, like the scheduling thing, I understood, but I
don't I don't understand like why this was like never mind.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And so there hasn't been there's never been a second
meet up that's materialized out of all this.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Correct. I would like for it, But nah.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Why'd we say there was one and a half then
there was only one?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I guess the brunch it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, it did happen with her and her girlfriends. He
just wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That doesn't count for in a guy's world.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
That counts desperate man.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, that's where we're at Terrible four Days last week.
They all said no, but in my mind we were parties.
So James, we're going to reach out to Lisa for you.
We'll see if she picks up, and then we'll try
and get you your second date update right after this
hold on date Second date update. If you're just joining
us for the second date update, our listener, James has
(06:07):
spent the last three weeks arranging and rearranging plans, desperately
trying to meet up with a woman named Lisa, who
he already went out with once and Brooks yawning about the.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Three cap that coffee.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
First date it was it was yes, according.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
To her on that stuff, nobody would have known.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm just looking around the room now sixteen other people
just yawned into I'm just saying, according to James and
to Lisa, because she responded afterwards that it was great.
They had a good kiss, a top notch Caesar salad,
everything you could ever want in a romantic first meet up.
And now, after all that effort, the last thing that
(06:54):
Lisa texted him was never mind. It's one of the
top three worst things a woman can send to a guy.
But James, we're gonna try and help you get this
thing back on track.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
All right, it sounds great.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh yeah, I feel like I only say never mind
when I'm mad.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, it feels like a mad response for sure. Did
have a period at the end of never mind.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's like end of conversation? Was it never mine?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
All right?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, now I don't even know if she'll pick up,
but seriously, let's see if she answers. I'm gonna dial
her number right now. Hopefully we can get some answers
out of her. But here we go. Hello, Hey, is
this Lisa. Yeah, we're We're a radio show called Brook
(07:54):
and Jeffrey in the Morning.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Good morning, Him asked, why are you calling me?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, we're doing this segment it's called second Date Update
where we try to help out listeners who've gone out
with somebody and they're having trouble arranging that second meetup.
We try and help facilitate it or figure out if
there's a reason why the other person doesn't want to
see them again. Yeah, and you can't say never mind participation?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Okay, and you're calling me.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Why because a little while ago, almost a month ago,
you went out with one of our listeners named long ago,
he said, three weeks ago with a guy named James.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm not in contact with him.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeahs that we got that vibe.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It sounds like it things shifted, though.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Did it shift for you because at first he thought
you were liking him.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I mean the thing that's confusing to him is that
after that first date, he said to you, guys even
texted each other about having a great time, and you
said you really wanted to meet up again?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Or we just pull in like a Lexus Wood and
just trying to be nice. Yeah, you know, I mean, honestly.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I wouldn't have said it if I didn't mean it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
But that was then Okay, so something is what happened?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, okay, so I text him and I did tell
him that I had a wonderful time and we were
trying to meet up to see each other.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Okay, And so at that point you're excited about him, right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. But it went from let me
buy you dinner, and then it went to let's get drinks,
then let me buy you drinks after brunch with my friends.
And I'm the type of woman where if a guy
says he wants to buy me dinner. Then I'm going
to hold him to that. And you know, however, with James,
(09:46):
our potential meetups became progressively worse.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So you you felt like as the conversation went on,
he was willing to put less effort into meeting up
with you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Listen, when a man says that he wants to buy
you dinner, then I expect him to buy me dinner
and not say, okay, let me buy your dinner and dinner.
Next thing is like, okay, you know what, you know what,
let me get you drinks. You know what, you know what,
Let's just meet up after you hang out with your
friends and we'll just spend a little ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Okay, So it didn't make you feel special, But did
you have time to get dinner?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I thought you didn't have time.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, there were times that I.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Didn't have time, and there were times where he didn't
have time. But you make time, Okay, plan it out
and you make time. It's just not a drive by.
Oh let me just see you real quick and keep
going like I don't even know you like that.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
It's weird because like I think he took it as
he was putting an extra effort to try.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
To make him.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You, Yeah, like shift around you and I know that.
You know, making time is very important. He's made time
to be on the phone with you right now listening
on the other line waiting to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Talk about effort.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You didn't tell me that he was going to be
in a phone Yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Now, I think this is a misunderstanding. Honestly, James talk
to her.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Well, yeah, I mean, Lisa, I'm not treating you as
a drive by. I was trying to make time so
I can at least see you and so we can
have conversation. But that was the whole purpose of doing it,
so you can get to know me.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Jans, you text me, let me buy you dinner, and
having drinks after being with my girls is not buy
any dinner.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Well, I didn't realize I had to be a bread
basket in order to hang out with you.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Oh, I don't even know what that means either.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I don't mean if you go to a dinner, they
usually give you bread before you have your dinner.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
To her, and I don't know that that's exactly what
she's saying there.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
No, that's exactly what she's saying. Because if I'm giving
an effort to meet you and you said you want
to get dinner with it. There's two people at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, God, wait, you suggest dinner after the brunch.
You could have said we would you can go to dinner.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
After brunch bunch.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I can't eat that much.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I mean I get hurt, Like, not directly after, but
later on that same day. Clearly I had time to
go on a brunch. Then maybe later on that evening
I would have had.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Time for dinner.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But you didn't think about that?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Said maybe no neither neither did you think about that?
And I didn't know you love language with food like that?
How about that I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You loved this time and consideration? Then either you don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I think. I think, honestly everybody needs to just
relax just a little bit, because this just sounds like
a big communication misunderstanding. We're forgetting that they had a
great first date. They both admitted it. That's true that
the conversation was great and the chemistry was on and
the only problem that has come up is communicating how
and when to meet up the second time.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So James, I mean that would be like, do you
not want to meet her for dinner? Like isn't dinner this.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Point, I'd rather just send a door dash and she
can have a full course meal.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I think she just wants the energy, not someone to
pay for her dinner. She just wants the thoughtfulness, is
what it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Exactly, Lisa, this was thoughtful. When we first talked to James,
he described you as Zoe Saldana's younger, hotter sister.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
No, I actually said the older hot Well.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'm trying to protect you here, James, So maybe he
just go with what I said. He called me the
older but she's how did the couple in backfire?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I mean, how about this? How about this? Think of this, Lisa.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
He went out of his way to get a radio
station to call you because he wanted to see you
that much.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
That is effort.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It sounds like he had you called me to embarrass me. No,
it doesn't sound he was trying to flatter me.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
No, it's the opposite. He wants to go out and
actually spend time at a dinner with you, a dinner
that we would pay for if you'll agree to meet
up with him again. Well that was at the start.
I don't know about to lead the last three weeks
from your mind and just remember after that first date
how good you felt about each other.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, I don't know now because I feel like he's
gonna like he might stand me up.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Why would he stand he.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Was create Okay, no, no, no, no, no, she's creating stuff now.
Now she's gone from a happy hour to a hostile hour,
which is gonna probably lead to a hot dinner.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Okay yeah, okay, So wait, does that mean that you're
not interested in a date?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He said, no, yeah, I'm not interested in going on
with that went back.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, Okay, that's okay. The feeling is mutual.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Wow, okay, well this one doesn't work out.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They've shifted those shift Yah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
In Jesus words, life is like yeah, life life and
right now, am I right? James?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
The thrill is gone.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But the second dates or second dating they really are,
sure Jeffrey in the morning, you know, by the end
of that call, I don't know if there was anything
that we could have said to save that situation. Yeah,
they kind of took over. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I think dating is hard for both of them right now,
and they just took it out on each other. Like
I'm just saying about you know what I mean, Like
it's just like, ah, I hate it all.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They're both too busy to sleep deprived.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Maybe it's like, well I want more than thirty minutes,
I want a full dinner. Well I just want to
see you, right. But on a positive note, James did
give us three of our top quotes for the entire year.
Happy hour turned into hostile hour. Life keeps on Life
in and you want a bread basket with that wine
(15:54):
that I don't think I I kind of work shopped.
Its changed it a little.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Bit, but.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean I actually basket. I always want a bread basket.
So my first is always.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Going to be yes.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
The whole thing was promises made, promises not kept.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Goodness is we don't make any promises. When you go
listen to us on podcasts at Brook and Jeffrey just
life is life and all that. That's how we do.
Go check it out online wherever you get your podcasts
at Brook and
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Jeffery Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning,
Second date updated. You ever have a date with someone
where you plan to do one thing together, but then
the date night gets closer and suddenly you decide, eh,
you know what, forget dinner, let's do paintball instead.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You get a little.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Closer and plans change again, and then your plans change
another time. I keep changing. Some people could see that
and think, oh, this person is spontaneous and creative.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Or just indecisive.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Others might see it as chaotic and indecisive. Today, our listener,
James isn't sure where he falls because he says his
plans kept changing, so didn't go out on two dates,
didn't go out on one? He calls it one date
and a half.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Let's learn about it. James, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hey, thank you guys so much.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You get it.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
There's a couple indecisive people, including myself on this show.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So I don't understand you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, are you indecisive? Do you keep changing plans or
just the world keep changing your plans?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean you know life is life and.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You know life and put that on a bumper. Yeah yeah, okay,
but life was coming at you and you had to
switch things.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Up, right, Yeah? I mean because after our first date, man,
she texts me and says, she had a great time.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You want to do it again?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wait? Who is she? We don't know who she is.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Okay, her name is Lisa and absolutely gorgeous. She could
be Zoli's on Donna's older sister.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Who Yeah, wow, I don't know who that is, but
the name is the blue girl from Avatar. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I can't really see what she looks like in that
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Then, I mean, not fat, but she's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Okay, that's awesome, that's exciting.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Where did you meet her? Did you say, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
But we met on a dating app?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
And so yeah, we have say interests and stuff like that.
I have, like my own company, I have to travel
a lot, and I know with her with her job,
she has to travel.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
So okay, that's always nice to find somebody who understands that.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, business right, right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
But I mean, like for three weeks, you know, we
were just can we meet here? And she's like, oh no,
my schedule. I got to go out of town. Okay,
all right, first week out of town. Then the following
week I had to go out of town. So one
day I said well, hey, well what about here, Let's
meet at this place? She said, well, you know, my
girls were going to brunch a day. I said, well, hey,
after your brunch, let's just hang out and just have
(02:35):
some drinks or something more.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Drinks, because brunch doesn't come without drinks.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The fact that anybody could walk away from a brunch
is that's just impressive in itself, right right.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
And I mean if we didn't go there, I mean,
if it was a nice little place that was next door,
that we could have had our privacy.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Okay, well that's nice too, because like you're trying to
accommodate her busy schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, I'm sure she appreciated that.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Okay, So how did she respond to that idea?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well, see, that's what I'm gonna say, man. Her response
was like, never mind, Like what wait?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And this is after you'd already gone on one good date.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Right, We did on one date, and I was trying
to get a half date by going like after brunch.
But again, I know three weeks had passed. I know,
things happen and you get back into your routine. So
I'm like, yo, at least let me see you or something.
You know, let's let's just drive by each other and
wave by. But I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That is weird?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Or maybe she does know like me and my friends
get drinks, I don't want to meet up with you.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, planning stuff back to back can feel so overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah totally.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Did she plan anything else with you after that?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
She said never mind? And I mean even she could
have said we could we meet before the.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Brunch so early I let's get a great pair.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So before we keep going, let's just rewind back for
a second here, James, can we know a little bit
about date number one?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's a good point, Like where did you guys go?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
What was so great about it? Just give us a
few details so that we know what it was like.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So we went to this Italian restaurant, real nice during
happy hour and had a great time salad, you know,
pops and were trying to watch those carbs and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
But salad time.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, as much as much dressing as you.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Want, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I never understand why people who were worried about carbs
go to an Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's all right. I mean, how was the conversation, the
connection between you two.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, I mean it was good. We had great conversation,
we found out we liked certain things, you know, our
spirit animal. I don't want to go into too much detail,
but okay, hey, I forgot to say, and she we
did have a kiss.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You did?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, there was a kid's right, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
At the end of the day. Nothing to elaborate, but
just nice kiss is like cool. And then I get
this text. She enjoyed it, she had a great time,
and she said, let's do this again.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
So there was like no doubt in your mind that
this was going somewhere exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think, like the scheduling thing, I understood, but I
don't I don't understand like why this was like never mind.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And so there hasn't been there's never been a second
meet up that's materialized out of all this.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Correct. I would like for it, But nah.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Why'd we say there was one and a half then
there was only one?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I guess the brunch it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, it did happen with her and her girlfriends. He
just wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That doesn't count for in a guy's world.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
That counts desperate man.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, that's where we're at Terrible four Days last week.
They all said no, but in my mind we were parties.
So James, we're going to reach out to Lisa for you.
We'll see if she picks up, and then we'll try
and get you your second date update right after this
hold on date Second date update. If you're just joining
us for the second date update, our listener, James has
(06:07):
spent the last three weeks arranging and rearranging plans, desperately
trying to meet up with a woman named Lisa, who
he already went out with once and Brooks yawning about the.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Three cap that coffee.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
First date it was it was yes, according.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
To her on that stuff, nobody would have known.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm just looking around the room now sixteen other people
just yawned into I'm just saying, according to James and
to Lisa, because she responded afterwards that it was great.
They had a good kiss, a top notch Caesar salad,
everything you could ever want in a romantic first meet up.
And now, after all that effort, the last thing that
(06:54):
Lisa texted him was never mind. It's one of the
top three worst things a woman can send to a guy.
But James, we're gonna try and help you get this
thing back on track.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
All right, it sounds great.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh yeah, I feel like I only say never mind
when I'm mad.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, it feels like a mad response for sure. Did
have a period at the end of never mind.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's like end of conversation? Was it never mine?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
All right?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, now I don't even know if she'll pick up,
but seriously, let's see if she answers. I'm gonna dial
her number right now. Hopefully we can get some answers
out of her. But here we go. Hello, Hey, is
this Lisa. Yeah, we're We're a radio show called Brook
(07:54):
and Jeffrey in the Morning.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Good morning, Him asked, why are you calling me?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, we're doing this segment it's called second Date Update
where we try to help out listeners who've gone out
with somebody and they're having trouble arranging that second meetup.
We try and help facilitate it or figure out if
there's a reason why the other person doesn't want to
see them again. Yeah, and you can't say never mind participation?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Okay, and you're calling me.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Why because a little while ago, almost a month ago,
you went out with one of our listeners named long ago,
he said, three weeks ago with a guy named James.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm not in contact with him.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeahs that we got that vibe.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It sounds like it things shifted, though.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Did it shift for you because at first he thought
you were liking him.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I mean the thing that's confusing to him is that
after that first date, he said to you, guys even
texted each other about having a great time, and you
said you really wanted to meet up again?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Or we just pull in like a Lexus Wood and
just trying to be nice. Yeah, you know, I mean, honestly.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I wouldn't have said it if I didn't mean it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
But that was then Okay, so something is what happened?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, okay, so I text him and I did tell
him that I had a wonderful time and we were
trying to meet up to see each other.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Okay, And so at that point you're excited about him, right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. But it went from let me
buy you dinner, and then it went to let's get drinks,
then let me buy you drinks after brunch with my friends.
And I'm the type of woman where if a guy
says he wants to buy me dinner. Then I'm going
to hold him to that. And you know, however, with James,
(09:46):
our potential meetups became progressively worse.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So you you felt like as the conversation went on,
he was willing to put less effort into meeting up
with you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Listen, when a man says that he wants to buy
you dinner, then I expect him to buy me dinner
and not say, okay, let me buy your dinner and dinner.
Next thing is like, okay, you know what, you know what,
let me get you drinks. You know what, you know what,
Let's just meet up after you hang out with your
friends and we'll just spend a little ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Okay, So it didn't make you feel special, But did
you have time to get dinner?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I thought you didn't have time.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, there were times that I.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Didn't have time, and there were times where he didn't
have time. But you make time, Okay, plan it out
and you make time. It's just not a drive by.
Oh let me just see you real quick and keep
going like I don't even know you like that.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
It's weird because like I think he took it as
he was putting an extra effort to try.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
To make him.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You, Yeah, like shift around you and I know that.
You know, making time is very important. He's made time
to be on the phone with you right now listening
on the other line waiting to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Talk about effort.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You didn't tell me that he was going to be
in a phone Yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Now, I think this is a misunderstanding. Honestly, James talk
to her.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Well, yeah, I mean, Lisa, I'm not treating you as
a drive by. I was trying to make time so
I can at least see you and so we can
have conversation. But that was the whole purpose of doing it,
so you can get to know me.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Jans, you text me, let me buy you dinner, and
having drinks after being with my girls is not buy
any dinner.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Well, I didn't realize I had to be a bread
basket in order to hang out with you.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Oh, I don't even know what that means either.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I don't mean if you go to a dinner, they
usually give you bread before you have your dinner.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
To her, and I don't know that that's exactly what
she's saying there.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
No, that's exactly what she's saying. Because if I'm giving
an effort to meet you and you said you want
to get dinner with it. There's two people at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, God, wait, you suggest dinner after the brunch.
You could have said we would you can go to dinner.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
After brunch bunch.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I can't eat that much.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I mean I get hurt, Like, not directly after, but
later on that same day. Clearly I had time to
go on a brunch. Then maybe later on that evening
I would have had.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Time for dinner.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But you didn't think about that?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Said maybe no neither neither did you think about that?
And I didn't know you love language with food like that?
How about that I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You loved this time and consideration? Then either you don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I think. I think, honestly everybody needs to just
relax just a little bit, because this just sounds like
a big communication misunderstanding. We're forgetting that they had a
great first date. They both admitted it. That's true that
the conversation was great and the chemistry was on and
the only problem that has come up is communicating how
and when to meet up the second time.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So James, I mean that would be like, do you
not want to meet her for dinner? Like isn't dinner this.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Point, I'd rather just send a door dash and she
can have a full course meal.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I think she just wants the energy, not someone to
pay for her dinner. She just wants the thoughtfulness, is
what it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Exactly, Lisa, this was thoughtful. When we first talked to James,
he described you as Zoe Saldana's younger, hotter sister.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
No, I actually said the older hot Well.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'm trying to protect you here, James, So maybe he
just go with what I said. He called me the
older but she's how did the couple in backfire?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I mean, how about this? How about this? Think of this, Lisa.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
He went out of his way to get a radio
station to call you because he wanted to see you
that much.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
That is effort.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It sounds like he had you called me to embarrass me. No,
it doesn't sound he was trying to flatter me.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
No, it's the opposite. He wants to go out and
actually spend time at a dinner with you, a dinner
that we would pay for if you'll agree to meet
up with him again. Well that was at the start.
I don't know about to lead the last three weeks
from your mind and just remember after that first date
how good you felt about each other.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, I don't know now because I feel like he's
gonna like he might stand me up.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Why would he stand he.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Was create Okay, no, no, no, no, no, she's creating stuff now.
Now she's gone from a happy hour to a hostile hour,
which is gonna probably lead to a hot dinner.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Okay yeah, okay, So wait, does that mean that you're
not interested in a date?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He said, no, yeah, I'm not interested in going on
with that went back.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, Okay, that's okay. The feeling is mutual.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Wow, okay, well this one doesn't work out.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They've shifted those shift Yah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
In Jesus words, life is like yeah, life life and
right now, am I right? James?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
The thrill is gone.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But the second dates or second dating they really are,
sure Jeffrey in the morning, you know, by the end
of that call, I don't know if there was anything
that we could have said to save that situation. Yeah,
they kind of took over. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I think dating is hard for both of them right now,
and they just took it out on each other. Like
I'm just saying about you know what I mean, Like
it's just like, ah, I hate it all.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They're both too busy to sleep deprived.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Maybe it's like, well I want more than thirty minutes,
I want a full dinner. Well I just want to
see you, right. But on a positive note, James did
give us three of our top quotes for the entire year.
Happy hour turned into hostile hour. Life keeps on Life
in and you want a bread basket with that wine
(15:54):
that I don't think I I kind of work shopped.
Its changed it a little.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Bit, but.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean I actually basket. I always want a bread basket.
So my first is always.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Going to be yes.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
The whole thing was promises made, promises not kept.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Goodness is we don't make any promises. When you go
listen to us on podcasts at Brook and Jeffrey just
life is life and all that. That's how we do.
Go check it out online wherever you get your podcasts
at Brook and
Speaker 2 (16:20):
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