December 3, 2025 • 17 mins
The woman on the phone today is CERTAIN that there is a logical explanation for why her date suddenly dropped off the face of the earth after ten days… We’re gonna help her KEEP HOPE ALIVE in your Second Date Update podcast!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, it's our favorite day of the year, and that
is Spotify rapp Day.
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I hope it's more next year.
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I feel like that's more time than I spent with myself.
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That's like four more times of the amount of music
I listened to.
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I love it.
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
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please and keep tagging us. It's at Brick and Jeffrey.
We love you so much. We've got a brand.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
New what are we doing right now? Second eight? Yeah, Yeah,
that's the name of this podcast, so let's do it.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
It's brand new. It's right now.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
The second date of date when you get ghosted after
a first date, is it hurtful?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No, if you don't have to tell yourself it doesn't
hurt it does I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Good news? Is it starts to hurt less and less
the more it happens to you. Yeah, that numbness is
kind of nice feeling, but not a feeling.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That's the whole point of the enough exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now we're on the same page. But our listener, Claire
believes there's something more behind why her date isn't reaching
out to her and she's come to us asking for assistance. So, Claire,
why is Brooke laughing at you? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
She is like totally insulted by your intro here, Like,
have you been ghosted that many times?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Claire?
Speaker 6 (01:49):
No, I'm just super worried about him.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Okay, oh wow, why do you say that?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I mean?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Okay, first of all, his name is Jane and a
guy that what goes with me? Like, but he has
not responded to me at all in like three days.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Is he someone that you already knew before you went
on a date, Because.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
The way that you're talking, it sounds like you've known
him for a while. He would never do that to me.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah, no, I haven't, but he just gave off that vibe.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
You guys hit it off, back and forth, back and forth,
and all of a sudden, nothing is weird.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Here's the thing, though, Vibes can lie, you know, liars
those vibes.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
People can also lie, not.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Liars, those vibes real close.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, es are Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I always trust him.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You're genuinely worried about him.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Well, I mean, it's just that he works a lot,
you know, and he has like a really stressful work environment.
He has a really important sales job, and he's like
working all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, So that would make sense that he wouldn't be
able to contact you for three days.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So how many dates have you had with him, because
it sounds like you've had a few.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
So yeah, I mean we willn't of date like ten
days ago, but we were texting after that, trying to
plan something else, and then he just stopped responding.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, So three days ago he stopped responding to your
text and that's why you're worried. Okay, got it. So
let's go back to the day. What did you guys
do for it?
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Okay? So first of all, we went bowling and then
we went to this place and it's like an indoor
butterfly house type of thing where the butterflies like land
on you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Kind of scary.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I remember one time as a kind of giant butterfly.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I mean I thought it was gonna do you really
got to watch where he stepped to. Oh no, ground
got you down at all times.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It's like that one was still a counterpillar broke his
Bama from Okay.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
It was such a fun idea. And he's normally like
very just considerate. I just thought it was so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
He keeps saying, normally you've had one experience.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But you're talking like you've known him for a really
really long time.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Well, I feel like I have, because he's like a
special person to me.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Okay, so you haven't dated for a while, then, have you?
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I mean not really, I guess. But he just we
just clicked. I mean, we just bob. We just everything
was just great with us.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Tell us any moments where it felt reciprocal, like he
was also on the same page as you.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Oh yeah, okay, So we were bowling and like he
picked up my bowling ball and I thought it was
bound the stake, but it really wasn't. And he tried
to bowl with my ball, had like take it from him,
and we just laughed about it and we thought it
was the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That is one out lighter, silly.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Like we were connecting.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's strange that you'd grab it from his hands,
but I like it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, okay, I mean it's cute to them. It's cute, right, ye,
I guess.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
So it was my ball.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That was just a flirty moment that you two had.
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Nice drinks some food involved in the date.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
I mean we weren't that hungry, so we just split
some fries and a beer.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Okay. Were there any butterfly kisses inside of the butterfly
Exhibit C Yeah, it feels like the right place to do.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
There were no kisses, but if he would have tried it,
I would have been very very open to it, and
my lashes would have been like butterflies as well.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, flood flutter.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I don't know what that is, but she would go
there in the butterfly world. That's second, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean it sounds like you left that date feeling
sure you'd see him again.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Absolutely. I mean we were even texting back and forth
making future plans and then he just came up with this,
I gotta find some free time because I'm working right
now now and things are busy. And then he start
responding like three days ago.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
What if we find out after we call him that
he actually blew you off on purpose and he's just
trying to be nice about it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
He wouldn't do that, that's the way you are so positive.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I feel like you haven't listened to our show enough.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
I mean, well, my friend did recommend you.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
I don't listen normally.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But that's why there's so much hope.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Got it? So you said three days ago he suddenly
cut off communication with you, and you're just trying to
figure out what's going on.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
I mean, I'm just worried because something could have happened.
So I'm thinking maybe if you guys call him, we
can get this whole thing, put it out.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Are we going to destroy it?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I feel like we're going to ruin the last optimistic
person that's left in the dating world right now.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know, But remember what I said about numbness in
the beginning. You can start that process right now.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, Yeah, So I have hope for you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, he's stuck in an elevator.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I'm sure of it.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, Okay, we'll get the laughing gas ready just in
case when we call James for you and try and
get you your second date update right after this. Thanks guy,
second date update if you're just joining us. We've been
talking to Claire, who had the three bees on her
first date, bowling beer and butterflies.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Together.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, and not just the nervous tummy butterflies either, actual
real ones flying around inside of a butterfly house.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It's kind of cute.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It is definitely different than what we've had before. But
she's come to us very concerned because three days ago
her guy James fully stopped responding.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I feel like this whole episode is brought to you
by the number three right now.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, lots of threes. And it was weird because they
were in the middle of planning their next meetup.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I mean, it sounds like he wasn't giving her
exact dates in time.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Claire, Brook's calling you a liar.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
No, no, that she may have misinterpreted his text like
he was saying I'm busy, I'm busy and busy.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, she did say that she was new at dating,
so maybe she doesn't know how to navigate this situation
quite the right way, and she.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Doesn't listen her incompetent now, Jeffrey.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yes, I am. I'm just kidding, Claire. But we're going
to reach out to James because you said he's not
answering when you call. You think maybe he'll pick up
for us.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I'm hopeful, Okay, you are very hopeful.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
She is. She is, and she's concerned about his safety
and thinks something could have happened, like.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
I think something probably did, because there's no way that
he wouldn't reach out to me.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Really, sometimes I wish we could do these in person,
so we could hug each other afterwards, make each other
feel better, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, why'd you make eye contact with me when you
said that I wasn't talk about hugging you happiness in person? Yeah, okay,
Well I'll give you Brooks home address after this is over,
so you can go over there and hug it out
all you want. Anyway, Let's let's call James right now.
Hopefully he answers. We can get to the bottom of this,
figure out why three days ago he fully cut off
(09:06):
communication with you.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Sure it'll be a happy story here.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Hello, this is James very formal.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Wow, hi James, you're on the radio, right.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Radio.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, that's a radio show called Brook and Jeffrey in
the Morning.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Good morning, good morning. How can I help you out there?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We're really happy to hear your voice and that you're doing. Okay,
it sounds well sure.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
He could be in the hospital right now for all
we know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The fact that picked up though, that's a really good start.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I'm sorry what it was about.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, this is a it's a segment we do on
our show. It's called the Second Date Update.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You're kind of like the star of it today.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Okay, that doesn't too great.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, it's not a bad thing. It just means somebody
out there is trying to see you again and they
haven't been able to get a hold of you.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
You don't see the name that I think that you're
about to say.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Wait, there's a certain name.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
What name are you thinking?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Claire?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That's her?
Speaker 7 (10:22):
What is she doing?
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Oh my goodness, she's just trying to get a hold
of you, because she said, basically that you two had
an awesome date together where you went bowling and you
visited a butterfly house, and she was telling us how
fun and how thoughtful it was that you came up with.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
That for her.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh, she had a lot of positive things to say
about you.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Oh really, did she happen to tell you anything else?
Like what happened after?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean she told us that you guys were texting
trying to figure out a date to get back together?
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Right? No, No, it wasn't the texting it honestly, it
was about the forcefulness in the meetups.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
What stay forceful?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But meetups? You only had one meetup? You just saw
each other on one date.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Yeah, I know, but I'm a very busy guy. I
do a lot of different things for work.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, wait, she was a little bit over eager. It
sounds like to see you again.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
I think that's an understatement. I mean, if I couldn't
hang out Tuesday, she would see what about Wednesday? What
about Thursday? What about Friday? It just became way too
much for me, And then she she just crossed the line.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Okay, is that the line?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
What line? Did she cross?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
The Wednesday? Thursday? Friday?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Line?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Is that the line suggesting other day?
Speaker 7 (11:35):
No? No, it was worse.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, Well, I think she is totally clueless that she
made you feel uncomfortable or whatever it is.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, why are you so sure that she should know
she made a.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Mistake because she called my work?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
What what your job?
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah? Yeah, I was at work and HR called me
and a woman named Claire reached out and wanted to
do a welfare check on me.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
What whoa?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I know?
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Yes, at work and she's telling her that we need
to move my schedule around and workload around. Like, what's
going on with that?
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Now?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I think we all understand.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Now, listen, maybe Claire is being misunderstood here and your
manager has relayed her message in a way that painted
her in a bad light. Oh that's h And maybe
you are working too hard and it's not a terrible
thing if your date wants you to be less stressed. Jeff,
you are a champion of our listeners, And I just
I think I think you should talk to Claire about
it because she is on the phone with us right
(12:38):
now wanting to speak to you.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh my, why isn't it better to speak to her
instead of speaking through your HR to her?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I couldn't agree with you more. But but she has
talked to Claire.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
Claire, Claire, what are you doing.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Okay, if Karen is a crown and I'm guilty, I
just care about you. We went on one date, yeah,
one special date.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Clar Why would you call his h R.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
I mean, no other girlfriend would do that for a guy.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Girlfriend it you're not my girlfriend. We hung out once.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Not yet, but I'm just showing that I want to
spend more time with you.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
I mean what I mean, what are we What are
we really doing here? I could meet with my HR department.
I had to meet with my boss. You're messing with
my job. You're messing with my way of living. Like
you don't even know what I do. You don't even
know exactly what I'm doing at work.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Well, listen, here's what I do now. I know you
work in sales, and I know you were stressed out,
so I was just trying to help.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You with that and defense the reason that I mean,
according to her, you kept saying you couldn't meet up
because you were too busy with work. So she's trying
to problem number one.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Of not hanging out with.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Well, she's not buying it.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That is a huge boundary to cross. You just never
call someone's workplace. It's just you don't. I mean, I
honestly feel like it has to be said for Claire
to understand that, Oh.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Yes I can, and yes I did.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Don't call the workplace, just call directly to their family. Now,
where is the right thing to do?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I mean, I want to call his family, but I
didn't have their numbers.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh okay, this is easy to fix. James. What's your
family's phone number?
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Yeah, listen, you guys, I don't know what's going on here,
but this is the first time that I've ever gone
on a date where whoever I went on a date
with to try to free up my schedule just to
see them.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You're lucky she didn't quit for you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
It is funny to be like, oh, I'm busy, and
she's like, oh, I'll take care of that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh god, busy anymore? Well, okay, I see them the
good intentions in your heart when you did it. But
for James, you cross the line.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I think for anyone that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Anyone don't, but specifically for James in this cell.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Okay, yeah, okay, Well, now that we're past that, we
should do pizza and butterfly for on our feet.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Pizza butter Going back to butterfly, butterfly, the butterfly kisses.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, Jackie were the idea.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Yeah, don't ruin the idea. I mean, I think the
butterfly chriss are is a great idea.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Sorry, sorry, but James, pretend you didn't hear that. Okay,
blank that out of your memory. All I want you
to focus on is will you go out on another
date with Claire and we would pay for it.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
We're talking to James now, yes, okay, yeah, pizza and
she will on your Claire. I think you need to
hear this response. Okay, so make sure you're paying attention.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
My ears though all the way open.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh my, okay, So, James, what do you think about
giving Claire one more chance?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
No, no, no, you didn't have to laugh though. That
was the only time.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Well that was rude.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, I was calling his workplace.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Okay. I understand this is when someone's new to dating.
There's a lot of new rules and stuff you gotta learn.
So maybe this is a learning moment for you.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I've learned that people don't understand what Karen is these days,
and I just have to care harder.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, no, that is the opposite, care less.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Please listen to them, care less about me, Karen, less
about other people.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, and that's the message that we are going to
leave today, broken Jeffrey in the morning, care less about everyone.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Brooking Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean, look, the positive that we can take out
of this is what is. I really don't think we
deterred her at all. She still sounds very hopeful, and
by hopeful, I mean hopefully she's not already inside his
apartment making it.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yes, like she needed some reality here.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
She really was like the perfect data for our show.
She had no idea, she never listened to the show.
She's still optimism about dating. I mean she got blindsided here, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
She got blindsided and she called this work. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
She didn't know that was bad. To do him a
favor and take the stress away.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
She did not see this coming, Brooke, don't ever call
anyone's place of employment soever.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
No, I feel like we're gonna hear from her again.
She's not going to be your first ghosting.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And I think we're all just jealous of her relentless
optimism because that's exactly what you need to survive this
dating world. So I predict she'll be fine and If
you need some optimism that your dating life isn't completely tragic,
go to our podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You're Gonna say, call somebody else. Yeah, Listen to.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Us on Spotify, Apple, wherever, and you will finally find
hope in your own life. Feels good, Find us at
Brook and Jeffard
Okay, it's our favorite day of the year, and that
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yes, yes, thank you, thank you, Thank you to.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Everyone who's tagging us on social media. African Jeffrey and sharing, yeah,
totally sharing their their Spotify wrapped.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, we're on the top for I know people are
texting into seven eighty five nine two.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Eric from Indiana texted and just saw I'm in the
point zero five percent on Spotify.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
That's around eighty one thousand minutes with you guys, and
I hope it's more next year.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I feel like that's more time than I spent with myself.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
That's like four more times of the amount of music
I listened to.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah cool, Eric, you are literally paying our salary. Yes,
I love it.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Into Apple users, sorry, Apple Podcast. I know you don't
get a wrapped We know you're listening.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, you all make up your number and texting yeah, yeah,
please and keep tagging us. It's at Brick and Jeffrey.
We love you so much. We've got a brand.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
New what are we doing right now? Second eight? Yeah, Yeah,
that's the name of this podcast, so let's do it.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
It's brand new. It's right now.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
The second date of date when you get ghosted after
a first date, is it hurtful?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No, if you don't have to tell yourself it doesn't
hurt it does I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Good news? Is it starts to hurt less and less
the more it happens to you. Yeah, that numbness is
kind of nice feeling, but not a feeling.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That's the whole point of the enough exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now we're on the same page. But our listener, Claire
believes there's something more behind why her date isn't reaching
out to her and she's come to us asking for assistance. So, Claire,
why is Brooke laughing at you? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
She is like totally insulted by your intro here, Like,
have you been ghosted that many times?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Claire?
Speaker 6 (01:49):
No, I'm just super worried about him.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Okay, oh wow, why do you say that?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I mean?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Okay, first of all, his name is Jane and a
guy that what goes with me? Like, but he has
not responded to me at all in like three days.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Is he someone that you already knew before you went
on a date, Because.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
The way that you're talking, it sounds like you've known
him for a while. He would never do that to me.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah, no, I haven't, but he just gave off that vibe.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
You guys hit it off, back and forth, back and forth,
and all of a sudden, nothing is weird.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Here's the thing, though, Vibes can lie, you know, liars
those vibes.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
People can also lie, not.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Liars, those vibes real close.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, es are Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I always trust him.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You're genuinely worried about him.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Well, I mean, it's just that he works a lot,
you know, and he has like a really stressful work environment.
He has a really important sales job, and he's like
working all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, So that would make sense that he wouldn't be
able to contact you for three days.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So how many dates have you had with him, because
it sounds like you've had a few.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
So yeah, I mean we willn't of date like ten
days ago, but we were texting after that, trying to
plan something else, and then he just stopped responding.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, So three days ago he stopped responding to your
text and that's why you're worried. Okay, got it. So
let's go back to the day. What did you guys
do for it?
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Okay? So first of all, we went bowling and then
we went to this place and it's like an indoor
butterfly house type of thing where the butterflies like land
on you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Kind of scary.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I remember one time as a kind of giant butterfly.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I mean I thought it was gonna do you really
got to watch where he stepped to. Oh no, ground
got you down at all times.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It's like that one was still a counterpillar broke his
Bama from Okay.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
It was such a fun idea. And he's normally like
very just considerate. I just thought it was so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
He keeps saying, normally you've had one experience.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But you're talking like you've known him for a really
really long time.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Well, I feel like I have, because he's like a
special person to me.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Okay, so you haven't dated for a while, then, have you?
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I mean not really, I guess. But he just we
just clicked. I mean, we just bob. We just everything
was just great with us.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Tell us any moments where it felt reciprocal, like he
was also on the same page as you.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Oh yeah, okay, So we were bowling and like he
picked up my bowling ball and I thought it was
bound the stake, but it really wasn't. And he tried
to bowl with my ball, had like take it from him,
and we just laughed about it and we thought it
was the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That is one out lighter, silly.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Like we were connecting.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's strange that you'd grab it from his hands,
but I like it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, okay, I mean it's cute to them. It's cute, right, ye,
I guess.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
So it was my ball.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That was just a flirty moment that you two had.
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Nice drinks some food involved in the date.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
I mean we weren't that hungry, so we just split
some fries and a beer.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Okay. Were there any butterfly kisses inside of the butterfly
Exhibit C Yeah, it feels like the right place to do.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
There were no kisses, but if he would have tried it,
I would have been very very open to it, and
my lashes would have been like butterflies as well.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, flood flutter.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I don't know what that is, but she would go
there in the butterfly world. That's second, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean it sounds like you left that date feeling
sure you'd see him again.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Absolutely. I mean we were even texting back and forth
making future plans and then he just came up with this,
I gotta find some free time because I'm working right
now now and things are busy. And then he start
responding like three days ago.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
What if we find out after we call him that
he actually blew you off on purpose and he's just
trying to be nice about it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
He wouldn't do that, that's the way you are so positive.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I feel like you haven't listened to our show enough.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
I mean, well, my friend did recommend you.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
I don't listen normally.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But that's why there's so much hope.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Got it? So you said three days ago he suddenly
cut off communication with you, and you're just trying to
figure out what's going on.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
I mean, I'm just worried because something could have happened.
So I'm thinking maybe if you guys call him, we
can get this whole thing, put it out.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Are we going to destroy it?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I feel like we're going to ruin the last optimistic
person that's left in the dating world right now.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know, But remember what I said about numbness in
the beginning. You can start that process right now.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, Yeah, So I have hope for you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, he's stuck in an elevator.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I'm sure of it.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, Okay, we'll get the laughing gas ready just in
case when we call James for you and try and
get you your second date update right after this. Thanks guy,
second date update if you're just joining us. We've been
talking to Claire, who had the three bees on her
first date, bowling beer and butterflies.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Together.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, and not just the nervous tummy butterflies either, actual
real ones flying around inside of a butterfly house.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It's kind of cute.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It is definitely different than what we've had before. But
she's come to us very concerned because three days ago
her guy James fully stopped responding.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I feel like this whole episode is brought to you
by the number three right now.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, lots of threes. And it was weird because they
were in the middle of planning their next meetup.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I mean, it sounds like he wasn't giving her
exact dates in time.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Claire, Brook's calling you a liar.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
No, no, that she may have misinterpreted his text like
he was saying I'm busy, I'm busy and busy.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, she did say that she was new at dating,
so maybe she doesn't know how to navigate this situation
quite the right way, and she.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Doesn't listen her incompetent now, Jeffrey.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yes, I am. I'm just kidding, Claire. But we're going
to reach out to James because you said he's not
answering when you call. You think maybe he'll pick up
for us.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I'm hopeful, Okay, you are very hopeful.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
She is. She is, and she's concerned about his safety
and thinks something could have happened, like.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
I think something probably did, because there's no way that
he wouldn't reach out to me.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Really, sometimes I wish we could do these in person,
so we could hug each other afterwards, make each other
feel better, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, why'd you make eye contact with me when you
said that I wasn't talk about hugging you happiness in person? Yeah, okay,
Well I'll give you Brooks home address after this is over,
so you can go over there and hug it out
all you want. Anyway, Let's let's call James right now.
Hopefully he answers. We can get to the bottom of this,
figure out why three days ago he fully cut off
(09:06):
communication with you.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Sure it'll be a happy story here.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Hello, this is James very formal.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Wow, hi James, you're on the radio, right.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Radio.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, that's a radio show called Brook and Jeffrey in
the Morning.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Good morning, good morning. How can I help you out there?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We're really happy to hear your voice and that you're doing. Okay,
it sounds well sure.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
He could be in the hospital right now for all
we know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The fact that picked up though, that's a really good start.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I'm sorry what it was about.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, this is a it's a segment we do on
our show. It's called the Second Date Update.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You're kind of like the star of it today.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Okay, that doesn't too great.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, it's not a bad thing. It just means somebody
out there is trying to see you again and they
haven't been able to get a hold of you.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
You don't see the name that I think that you're
about to say.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Wait, there's a certain name.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
What name are you thinking?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Claire?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That's her?
Speaker 7 (10:22):
What is she doing?
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Oh my goodness, she's just trying to get a hold
of you, because she said, basically that you two had
an awesome date together where you went bowling and you
visited a butterfly house, and she was telling us how
fun and how thoughtful it was that you came up with.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
That for her.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh, she had a lot of positive things to say
about you.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Oh really, did she happen to tell you anything else?
Like what happened after?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean she told us that you guys were texting
trying to figure out a date to get back together?
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Right? No, No, it wasn't the texting it honestly, it
was about the forcefulness in the meetups.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
What stay forceful?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But meetups? You only had one meetup? You just saw
each other on one date.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Yeah, I know, but I'm a very busy guy. I
do a lot of different things for work.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, wait, she was a little bit over eager. It
sounds like to see you again.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
I think that's an understatement. I mean, if I couldn't
hang out Tuesday, she would see what about Wednesday? What
about Thursday? What about Friday? It just became way too
much for me, And then she she just crossed the line.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Okay, is that the line?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
What line? Did she cross?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
The Wednesday? Thursday? Friday?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Line?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Is that the line suggesting other day?
Speaker 7 (11:35):
No? No, it was worse.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, Well, I think she is totally clueless that she
made you feel uncomfortable or whatever it is.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, why are you so sure that she should know
she made a.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Mistake because she called my work?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
What what your job?
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah? Yeah, I was at work and HR called me
and a woman named Claire reached out and wanted to
do a welfare check on me.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
What whoa?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I know?
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Yes, at work and she's telling her that we need
to move my schedule around and workload around. Like, what's
going on with that?
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Now?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I think we all understand.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Now, listen, maybe Claire is being misunderstood here and your
manager has relayed her message in a way that painted
her in a bad light. Oh that's h And maybe
you are working too hard and it's not a terrible
thing if your date wants you to be less stressed. Jeff,
you are a champion of our listeners, And I just
I think I think you should talk to Claire about
it because she is on the phone with us right
(12:38):
now wanting to speak to you.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh my, why isn't it better to speak to her
instead of speaking through your HR to her?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I couldn't agree with you more. But but she has
talked to Claire.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
Claire, Claire, what are you doing.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Okay, if Karen is a crown and I'm guilty, I
just care about you. We went on one date, yeah,
one special date.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Clar Why would you call his h R.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
I mean, no other girlfriend would do that for a guy.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Girlfriend it you're not my girlfriend. We hung out once.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Not yet, but I'm just showing that I want to
spend more time with you.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
I mean what I mean, what are we What are
we really doing here? I could meet with my HR department.
I had to meet with my boss. You're messing with
my job. You're messing with my way of living. Like
you don't even know what I do. You don't even
know exactly what I'm doing at work.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Well, listen, here's what I do now. I know you
work in sales, and I know you were stressed out,
so I was just trying to help.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You with that and defense the reason that I mean,
according to her, you kept saying you couldn't meet up
because you were too busy with work. So she's trying
to problem number one.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Of not hanging out with.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Well, she's not buying it.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That is a huge boundary to cross. You just never
call someone's workplace. It's just you don't. I mean, I
honestly feel like it has to be said for Claire
to understand that, Oh.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Yes I can, and yes I did.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Don't call the workplace, just call directly to their family. Now,
where is the right thing to do?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I mean, I want to call his family, but I
didn't have their numbers.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh okay, this is easy to fix. James. What's your
family's phone number?
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Yeah, listen, you guys, I don't know what's going on here,
but this is the first time that I've ever gone
on a date where whoever I went on a date
with to try to free up my schedule just to
see them.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You're lucky she didn't quit for you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
It is funny to be like, oh, I'm busy, and
she's like, oh, I'll take care of that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh god, busy anymore? Well, okay, I see them the
good intentions in your heart when you did it. But
for James, you cross the line.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I think for anyone that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Anyone don't, but specifically for James in this cell.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Okay, yeah, okay, Well, now that we're past that, we
should do pizza and butterfly for on our feet.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Pizza butter Going back to butterfly, butterfly, the butterfly kisses.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, Jackie were the idea.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Yeah, don't ruin the idea. I mean, I think the
butterfly chriss are is a great idea.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Sorry, sorry, but James, pretend you didn't hear that. Okay,
blank that out of your memory. All I want you
to focus on is will you go out on another
date with Claire and we would pay for it.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
We're talking to James now, yes, okay, yeah, pizza and
she will on your Claire. I think you need to
hear this response. Okay, so make sure you're paying attention.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
My ears though all the way open.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh my, okay, So, James, what do you think about
giving Claire one more chance?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
No, no, no, you didn't have to laugh though. That
was the only time.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Well that was rude.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, I was calling his workplace.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Okay. I understand this is when someone's new to dating.
There's a lot of new rules and stuff you gotta learn.
So maybe this is a learning moment for you.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I've learned that people don't understand what Karen is these days,
and I just have to care harder.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, no, that is the opposite, care less.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Please listen to them, care less about me, Karen, less
about other people.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, and that's the message that we are going to
leave today, broken Jeffrey in the morning, care less about everyone.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Brooking Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean, look, the positive that we can take out
of this is what is. I really don't think we
deterred her at all. She still sounds very hopeful, and
by hopeful, I mean hopefully she's not already inside his
apartment making it.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yes, like she needed some reality here.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
She really was like the perfect data for our show.
She had no idea, she never listened to the show.
She's still optimism about dating. I mean she got blindsided here, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
She got blindsided and she called this work. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
She didn't know that was bad. To do him a
favor and take the stress away.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
She did not see this coming, Brooke, don't ever call
anyone's place of employment soever.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
No, I feel like we're gonna hear from her again.
She's not going to be your first ghosting.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And I think we're all just jealous of her relentless
optimism because that's exactly what you need to survive this
dating world. So I predict she'll be fine and If
you need some optimism that your dating life isn't completely tragic,
go to our podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You're Gonna say, call somebody else. Yeah, Listen to.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Us on Spotify, Apple, wherever, and you will finally find
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