No-Contact Family Trend, Record Black Friday Spending, Chris & Yanely Are Back!

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genuinely was giddy about coming to today show, which I'm
sure for my guests who's probably just like ough Again.
I was so excited. I missed Brown Ambition. I'm miss
talking to other humans. I even missed this gentleman here, Hi, Chris.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, it must be the holidays, because you're being so
nice to me right now. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, I miss your bud. I mean we did get
to chat, like you came. Actually, this is this is
how you know you're a real friend, also a real
childless friend. I will put that caveat On a recent
road trip up and down the East Coast with your
gorgeous girlfriend, traveling to Spas doing the most single people
childless people activities ever, you deigned to visit to graze

(02:54):
upon us your presence, and you came into my house
of chaos and said, Hi, really nice.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You know. I was like, I can't be all the
way over here on the opposite side of the country
and not swing by. If I'm that close, it would
be a wrongo me not to swing by, and also
remind myself why I don't have kids. So it was great,
it was like it was it was nice for week.
We got to catch up. You also were freshed my
understanding of me not having kids and how much I
love that fact. But your kids are great. Like I
love visiting other people's kids and like saying, oh, hey,

(03:22):
how's it going. I made paper airplanes. We were two.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Point five seconds. You were making airplanes for my five
year old. It was really cute.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
He pulled out a book. Yeah, all these pieces of
paper and instructions. I was like, I would have loved this.
As the kids. I was happy to make some maper airplanes.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, you know, you got to check that clearance section
at BJ's. You might find something you too regret, which
is a giant book of airplane models that he will
beg you to. But no, you were good. You're a
good adopted uncle. No, it's been Thanksgiving was a time
it was. I was telling Chris, like, I do realize
I crave like I crave activities. I don't like sitting

(04:04):
around staring at the wall or TV with a bunch
of family members, Like I'm like, why aren't we Like
there's no one's going to pull out like taboo, No
one's going to pull out like I would even do
the headbands the kids game where you put like an
animal on your head you have to guess what, like
a little something, you know, just something to like take
the monotony out of. Like, Okay, the matriarchs of the

(04:28):
family often I know, will have prepared all this food.
My mother in law, bless her heart, she did all
the cooking. And you know we show up, you eat
in like twenty five minutes if that, and then it's
like that's it. I don't like that. I want some activity,
but you're really seeing fine with that we.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Have we are a zero activity family. Uh. It probably
is because you know, well, actually my dad cooks, so
it's like normally cooking responsibilities is split between both my
parents and my dad is that he was a primary
cook to growing up. So it's not like it's like
a it's not even like it's like, oh the mom
did all the work and nobody else is to do anything.
They just do all that and then they're both like

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they're not they're not games people. They're not like activity
people at all. We didn't have itineraries who were on
a family road trip because we never flew in a plane.
There was no activity plan. You would just kind of
just visited the family. You hang up with family, and
that's all you're doing. So yeah, that's just how I
grew up. So it's like the lowest key Thanksgiving possible,
which is kind of nice because then you.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Know, I'm saying exactly and like you should be chilling here.
Let me see if you're here's yan Nelly, here we
go me Letya Nelly in the round table is complete.
I was hoping you were a camera ready because we
are recording already.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
To be late to the party.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's all right, this is very like. This is very
We're talking about the holidays and like the family buy.
This is like, you know, we see who shows up
on time, a little tardy, little fashionab be late. Now
both of the autum so.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Drinking.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
So speaking of family, two of my nieces have birthdays
this November thirty n today, the summer first where we're
recording this, and so we celebrated it on Thanksgiving. We
did like after the turkey was put away, we did
a little birthday cake for them, and all the guests
walked away with the little disco ball cup.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
So you know, this is where I'm sipping my tea
from oday.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
I mean, I don't think a tea should be allowed.
I think that is exclusively for like a vodka cranberry.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean, you know, seven years old vodka cranberry should
be the takeaway from your birthday party. That's that seems
only right, It's only fitting for the Mennican birthday party.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Oh well, okay, how was your so you did? Were
you in New York or did you stay in Miami.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yes, I was in New York.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
We were in New Jersey on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving
to have dinner with Jamal's family, and then New York
in the city to have dinner with my family. It's
always a difficult thing to plan, like when are we
going to link up with the family, because there's so
many of us and it's like possible to coordinate. So
we just agreed as a family that we always celebrate
together the day after the actual holiday. So my family

(07:08):
always does dinner together on the Friday after Thanksgiving, and
that way nobody.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Can say, oh, but I couldn't make it because.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Such and such family, or they wanted to do this
or that, like no Friday the day after, you come
to whoever is hosting for our family. So that happened
to be my sister this year, and I got to
see all ten of my nieces and nephews, which is
like my favorite part of getting to I mad with
my sisters and brothers, but like my nieces and nephews.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Like I love my baby way better. So I got
to see all of them.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
And then we had a photographer come and take pictures,
which was really nice. Everybody was all dressed up in
their Sunday best for pictures and it was really cute.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Honestly, I love you like activities. There's like there's thing
to do, you know, being in New Yor today.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I put my that I had like a activity to
keep them busy while the photographer was kind of getting
different people's shops, because like you're just standing around and
then there's a bunch of kids.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I have ten nieces and nephew.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
So what I did was I drew on butcher paper
like all these thingsgiving them things like plants and like
acorns and apples and tomatoes and turkey, and it said
thankful and big giant block letters. I drew with the
sharpie marker and that ran the butcher paper as a
runner across the table, the longest table. So while kids
were just waiting for their turn, they were over their
coloring and like playing and it was so cute.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
The perfect thing, just keep them busy.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
And then on the other side it was like the photography,
so it was it was really nice.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Nice, you're such a good auntie.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
That's the exact episode what we were talking about. My
family way better.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
No, let's hold, we have to hold space, hold space
for the do nothing, say nothing, go nowhere families.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
No, I appreciate that, especially after the chaos of having
to coordinate every year, like after dinner, it's just madness.
So I planned a bunch of games. So I had, like,
I give myself one hundred dollar budget. I ran to
CBS and I bought like a bunch of random stuff
and so I had like probably twelve games planned out.
We only played like six or seven, and then it
was mid nine people were packing up to go home.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
So I honestly it's.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
A good and also it gives me the other games
that we haven't played, I'll save.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Those for Christmas. So you know, it worked out, It
worked out.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I love it. I always get a little emotional around
Thanksgiving because we typically don't go home for back home,
being like my family in Georgia. Yeah, and we usually
will stay here and like my husband doesn't really have
like there's no big family, it's very small. It's usually
like me, thank God for my children, like you know
them talk about like not child friendly, like one of

(09:39):
those New Yorkwela apartments that is so not friendly, like
giants everywhere, Oh my god, the giant curio cabinet with
like all the glass and like porcelain she's ever owned
in China in her life. That's like. And the floor
is kind of sinking, so it's like it's held up
on one end with like you know, a block of
wood to like keep it from f But one day

(10:01):
someone's getting crushed, you know, they're jumping off of the
bed and you know, you.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Know what is always childproof?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Though that's so far because I think it's covered plastics.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
They got rid of their plastic like a couple of
years ago. I am flaborate now, but she covered it
in a blanket, and I'm glad she did.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
She heard the kids would come in.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
She was like, I know, yeah, yeah, no, it was lovely.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Though.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Did y'all do any like Black Friday and today is
technically Cyber Monday shopping?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I didn't really.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
This is the first year I ever I have in
a long time. I'm not I normally don't buy anything
on Black Friday. I'm just like, no, I'm good. I
think I was traumatized from years I've worked at Sears in.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Uh college, your Real.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I was old series didn't even exist anymore. I was
working at See Yourself selling tools and lawnmowers and sheds,
and I remember I had to get up early every
Black Friday and go into work at like four in
the morning, and it's like a lot of people outside
of seers something like that's serious. Why are you lined
up outside of series and.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
The giant TVs on sales or whatever?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
They had everything.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yes, yep, a new flat.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Screen, everything serious basically, but yeah, they messed me up.
I don't like Black Friday anymore. So that's why I
gotta I don't ever go out shopping or do anything
like that. But this is the first year because I
was anybody's a new camera gear and I was like,
you know what, I guess I should buy it when
the sales are.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, I just you know, I know it.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Is it a different sale in store versus the online sales,
because I just I'm like, just order it online, y'all.
While y'all in line at three o'clock in the morning
in Times Square for something you could just order online.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I don't. I don't get it. It has to be a difference.
It's got to be like in store only deals, right,
because that's the only reason people would be.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah giants, Yeah, this is out let in La called
the Citadel. It's right off the five freeways. This massive
outlet right a bunch of all the stories you can
think of have an outlet in there. Every year. Anytime
you were after after after Black Friday the freeway, it
causes traffic on the freeway for miles because people were
exiting to get off at this this outlet. We we

(12:14):
went to this thing. It was like La Zoo at
the Lazo was like these like lights thing for the kids.
It was like my niece and nephew and then my
sister in law has a big family and they all have kids,
so we all went there. If the drive we drove
by this place, tell me why there was a parking
lot like half a mile down the street where everybody
had to park because there's so many people at these outlets,
which already has a parking structure half a mile down

(12:35):
the street. You can see it on the freeways you're
driving by. There was another lot. This looks like a
Disneyland parking lot. This thing was huge, pack of cars.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I was like, this is holiday like a couple of
days ago.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Okay, people were just it was out there, thousands upon
thousands of people at this outlet I was like, I
cannot believe this. It makes no sense, and no wonder
you can pay me. Everything is free.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Did y'all get inflation checks out there in California like
we got in New York? I'm like, where are the
money coming from? What are we y'all are something? We
mixed signals because that.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
My dad was asking me add Thanksgiving dinner. He was like,
I need to talk to you. They're talking about these
inflation checks in New York. Did my check arrived tomorrow?
I said that I don't know you lived there. I don't.
I don't know. It's a paper check.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
He's like, no, check my check my account and see
if they direct the positive. I said, no, that's your
income tax refund. That's not this other check that that
that's a New York thing.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
That's not a federal Listen. They got people up in
arms in New York for these for these checks coming
in the midil.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
We sent eight million inflation refund checks. My neighbor got mine.
Goat it was like one hundred bucks or whatever. I
think it ranges from one hundred and fifty to like
four hundred okay is the range depending on your income.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
But me and my neighbor, because people have been talking about, oh,
two thousand dollars checks.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Man, they're thinking about the COVID stimulus checks where it
was like kid or something. Yeah, yeah, No, it's only
a couple hundred dollars. But the check did I think?
And I thought about it. I'm like, oh, the timing
of this is, you know, immaculate because it came like
a day or two before Thanksgiving, so our governor, you know,

(14:10):
stroke of little political genius there. But also I'm like,
who's paying for this? And secondly, I was looking up
to see if other states are doing it, apparently in California,
like it's a thing like y'all maybe getting some kind
of likes today checks.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I can't get anything. I haven't heard anything about it though,
maybe if it's going out, nobody I know has goot.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
He said, I didn't get one. Listen, I'm waiting in line,
but not at the store.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Not at the citadel. No, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
You know, It's crazy how everybody kept talking about how
this year is, like, I mean, with a jillion different reasons, right,
like the tower off making prices go up. Inflation has
been at all time high. Groceries are through the roof.
Everything is so high. People can't afford homes all this stuff,
and yet I saw a stat this morning that said
that this year's Black Friday spinning was an all time.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
High, record high period in history. Where y'all getting this
money from to a shop. I need to understand, because
I didn't buy a thing. Actually that's a lie.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Two days before Chris, two days before Thanksgiving, or like
the Monday before Thanksgiving, I went to Macy's and because
I was returning a pair of shoes that I the
were not that comfortable. But then I was walking by
the DNIM section and I saw Levi's had tool for.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
One and I was like, okay, you see now I
know some good jeans, so quality pair, okay.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
And then they had another little deal for some reason,
I guess for the holiday early Black Friday sales.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I don't know what edie.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
All I know is I got my Levi' jeans, which
are usually one hundred plus dollars for forty dollars dollars, okay,
and I got to I got a black pair and
a blue pair. So technically that was my little shopping
that I did, because I do have a pair of
jeans that is begging for for me.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
To just donate them, throw them out, because the day a.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Pair of jeans come on, now, well you live in Miami,
you don't wear jeans leisure.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Living at leisure. I went short skirts, dresses, shorts.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
But there's this one pair of jeans that I love
from a brand called Lucky, and the way they fit,
it's so comfortable. They're perfect, like stretched just the right
amount of stretch. But in between the thighs, it's just listen,
is there's a giant.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Hole in there. It looked like somebody shot me in
the thigh and in the thigh and then they just spread.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
You know how it is with the I don't even
have the big, big girl thighs, but still the thigh
rubbing area was is desperate for help. And I just
kept wearing them. I was like, you know what, it's fine,
and no one sees that. And I love these jeans.
So it was time to replace them and I did,
but I didn't really do any Black Friday shopping. And
when I saw that stat that article was I think
it was a CNBC article, I was like.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
My draw hit the ground.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Where are people coming? We love to complain, complain, complain,
I don't have money for this. I don't money for that.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Y'all got money for Black Friday? Where's the money coming from?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You know what's scary is the data I think came
from MasterCard. At least one of the status is I
think one of the numbers that came out, and I'm like, okay, MasterCards.
So I'm thinking credit card companies, how many of us
are saving fifty percent thirty percent today only to end
up paying thirty percent on top of that later and

(17:03):
again and again and again and again. Yes, I'm gonna
have that holiday shopping hangover come January. Yep, come on,
I thought we was boycotting. I was in my boycotting bag.
I told my husband, in no uncertain terms, we're gonna
get a Christmas tree from home depot. He was like,
come on, the same tree as we can get from
our I wanted to go to the local greenhouse, you

(17:24):
know where we get my plans from. And I'm googling
the owner of the plant, like the greenhouse, to make
sure it's like owned by regular people. It is, And yeah,
I dragged him over there, and the whole time he's
grumbling because he's like this. It was one hundred and
thirty five dollars for our Christmas tree, which probably came
from Canada, and to be fair, probably the same farm

(17:44):
that sells to home depot. Let's be honest at Christmas
tree farms up here, right, And it was one hundred
and thirty five dollars for like a seven foot tree.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
And oh, that's way bigger than I thought you were
going to say.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh really, see I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
I thought it was gonna be a little tree for.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
The short little ones were like fifty bucks, which to me,
you know, was like insane. Isn't insane?

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Because people be buying plants that'd be fifty dollars seventy five,
one hundred dollars to these big old.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Plants are prime true coming pots. They have roots. True,
you're literally buying a dead thing.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
It is dead, but it is also going to give
you the spirit of the holiday that that all the
plant can't give you.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
So is a trade off.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Here, It's just true. Although you can dress up your
fudd lya fig. I think this is this is when
I break the boundaries, you know, like do what you
gotta do. But one hundred and thirty five that was
the only big shopping I did the weekend. It did
bring so much joy. I think the best part about
being a parent is like the traditions and I will
like up and down, like give my mother credit for

(18:45):
this is I loved ornamenting, like decorating the tree every
year and like having my favorite ornaments and saving those
like really crappy popsicle like crafty ones that we made
as kids. And my son, who just and six, he's
really into it too, and he's like, you know, he
stepped back from we're decorating the train. He stepped back,

(19:06):
and he's like, and of course he's put all of
his ornaments in one cluster spot, of course, and I'm
plotting how to like change it without him noticing. Oh god,
but anyway, he's like, Mommy, I think our tree is
so cool and beautiful. And we were watching like home
Alone and you know, baking and that it was. I

(19:28):
really tried to focus on like just coziness and like
memories this weekend, which was very nice. Also with these
damn like my brain, I don't have time, like when
I'm making online purchases, I need to have all my faculties,
like I need to be able to move, especially the holidays.
I want to be sure I'm getting my I got
to have my my how do you say it, Rakatan, Yep, yeah,

(19:51):
a little cash back. I want to have that on lock.
I want to make sure I'm checking, honey. I want
to use my little perplexity to see my getting the
best deal whatever I could. I did not have the
mental capacity while the kids were here. So thank goodness
for cyber Monday, because after I drop off this morning,
I did Mama got a little something. Oh what a
little shopping this morning.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I did get some genes. Girl, we need these jeans, Jean.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Just a little something.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
But yeah, I go on the website down look which
website for some jeans I got.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Because denim be expensive? Y'all?

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Like I'll trying to buy a jacket. You know millennials
and our dentim jacket.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I plan Beyonce girl.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yes, I was like, wait a minute, excuse me, what
if this these prices are offensive?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I'm trying to wear some damn jeans.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
So I know it was crazy. It is like every
day this weekend. I was looking to my favorite place
to shop as a brand called Eloquy. They have plus size,
like I think fourteen plus or twelve plus. I've always
love them. And the hilarious thing is like their codes changed,
like they had two or three different codes on the
day the past few days, but somehow the prices were

(21:02):
the same. Like it all, I had the same cart,
you know, And today I logged in and I'm like, oh, no,
I missed the Black Friday whatever, But it was Cyber Monday.
It was the same, same, things were slightly different. It
was the same same. That's the thing they're going to do.
The sales, they all be the same.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
They listen and the thing is all the money that
they don't make throughout the year when people aren't shopping
because they're complaining and they're saving to.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Go on Black Friday.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
I understand small businesses got to make that back up.
It's roughile here, so I can't even blame them for that.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
So cut them a little slack.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
These small businesses, especially products and services, or products more
than services, because people are more willing to dish out
for services if they really need it, but for a product,
people will wait for the sale and then the sales
like this much.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Of a sale.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I officially also to save money. It's gonna our airfare
to fly our family afore from here to Georgia, which
on a normal day of the year would be like
maybe a thousand bucks. Like, you know, I can get
tickets like two hundred each for the four of us,
so like eight hundred, you know whatever, So not that bad.
Since October, when I started to look like early maybe

(22:11):
even September, it has been three thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Three thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Wow, yes, unless I want to fly like Frontier out
of Newark, you know, which has all the air traffic controllers,
think no yahta for parking overnight, and like do that
whole shebang. Three thousand. It's in absolutely insane and against
all of my better judgment and knowledge. We are going

(22:36):
to be driving, We're going to pack the kids up,
we're doing a we're doing a road trip.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I think that's the worst thing, Like a little three
thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Have you done it?

Speaker 4 (22:49):
I've done it with two of my nieces, but only
from New York to Maryland, which.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Is what like four hours. And but again, being an
auntie and a former third grade teacher that.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
I am, I had packed up a bunch of games
for them, so I you know what, like the easiest
one to do. Pack a bunch of post its, just
like a pack of post its, right, and then my
nieces had a pin. I had a pin and they
I was sitting in the passenger seat in the front.
My nieces were in the back. So I would like, Okay,
I'm gonna draw something random. I'm gonna pass it to
the next one. You have to add anything to turn
it into something. So I would start with like a triangle.

(23:21):
My niece would put a square under it and make
it a house. Then my other niece would add windows,
and then I'll add a door, and then my niece
would ad somebody walking up to and then by.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
The end of it we had a whole picture of it.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
And they would just be giggling the back and it's
like they're not on their iPads, they're not on the phones.
We're laughing, we're doing so the creative that lasted probably
about thirty minutes forty minutes until they were like, Okay,
I'm gonna go back to my iPad. So but so
you have to you know, I'm not gonna lie. It's
a lot of trying to think of different things. You
can only play I Spy for like so long until
they're tired of it.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
So I did do that. We did this road trip
in spring break. I don't know if I told y'all
it was the hardest, like two days event of my
life because I was cruis I was cruise director, backseat butler,
I'm in the passenger seat most of the time. I
think when I was begging my husband like please, I'll
drive the next leg, like give me. We got think

(24:11):
it's permanent shoulder damage from reaching and handing them shit
in the back seat, but it's it depends on the ages.
So my kids are just you know, small. But yeah,
I had like a multile library. I went to Barnes
and Noble and like the Dollar Store and had all
these like little surprises along the way. It can be done.
But this road trip, I said, we're probably gonna end
up like I think I'm gonna I think the key

(24:32):
is slowing it down and breaking like I think we
may stop. So if y'all have ever done like a
New York East Coast like road trip south, I'm trying
to think of places to stop along the way to
like make it a fun like you know, like more
of a fun road trip versus like, let's gun it like,
you know, these eight hours, get to North Carolina, sleep
for a few hours, get in the car, make it

(24:53):
to Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And so this is a multi day trip. I've never
driven like that far in the East Coast.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It has to be multi day. That would be crazy
if you time it was two days.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
We did it in two days, and it was like,
you know, real pedal to the metal, just like pushing,
you know, trying the kids, and I Day one was something.
Day two I started to lose my mind. But yeah,
I've heard like stopping gettysburg Hershey Park, the Shenandoah Valley.
It's supposed really, I know, it's really beautiful. We didn't
take any scenic routs last time, like through the mountains

(25:24):
and stuff, right, yeah, because we just had to get there.
But I'm thinking, is it am I? Is this a
bad it's slowing it down? What am I? I'm questioning
myself now, slowing it down?

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Reasonable through it, reasonable number of stops. Maybe it's three
day and not a two day. I don't think you
need to make it a week long thing, but I
do think it's nice to give them a shorter time.
Like a goal post that is closer than Atlanta like
it's like.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Oh, we're going here, and then it's oh, we're going there,
and then so there's these little mini goalposts along the way.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Because it's true. Listen, I as an adult get rid
imagine the kids. Yeah, and the physical part of your
body being crunched their car, like you have to get up,
walk go, you know. So I think it is it's
going to be good to do a couple of stops, and.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Those soun really good.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Anything where there's a kids museum along the way is
a good one to stop at, you know, depending on
when you're driving, but usually they're open.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's right because it's winter, you know, in the spring,
the test the supercharger, like in the field next door. Girl,
you know, you want.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
To be inside. It's cold as hell. You want to
be inside with those kids, girl, kids museums.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
You and you do an electric car trip too, so
you have to make stops like you do.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
We have to make so many stops once you put
all the baggage and the humans in the year, once
you do all that, all that like mileage shit, it
goes out the window, like your mileage ratio whatever it is.
It's I think we were stopping at least every like
ninety minutes to two hours to charge. That is just
like a lot annoying.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Oh my lord, that's annoying.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
But I'm like, we're going. You know, there's three thousand bucks.
Let's put it into like a fun experience versus like.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
No, listen, hands down, I would have overspending three grand
on the trip that you normally would spend eight hundred on.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Like, that's that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
I mean, unless you've got it like that, you just
ball out of control and you're like, I'm willing to pay,
but like that is I wish more than a three
more than a three x step differential for one trip,
not for like two or three trips.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
No, that's that's wild.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And you you haven't even left your country, let alone
the coast you live on, and it's gonna be three
thousand dollars, No.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Three grand, not even a passport required, So absolutely insane.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
You know what I could do with three thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
You gotta visit the mother. We gotta visit a Dominican Republic.
The kids have still well my oldest we gotta get there.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Y'all gotta go do that. You can do that for
less than three thousand.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Come on, now, come on now, hop y'all in a
little jet blue flight, right.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I mean I wish, I really do. I I just
can't believe those prices. And maybe it was like shutdown related,
but that can't be because I was looking like back
in September, there was a lot, there.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Was a lot going on, government shut down, said there
was the prices because of so much going on.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Maybe that's why people are shopping, because we're trying to
heal ourselves. As you know, it's socially, you know, acceptable
to do to like shop and to feel this joy
of giving and getting.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
That's right, especially when you justify it by saying, oh
but I'm giving these I'm giving these gifts and it's like, okay,
but you know the act of shopping and buying things
is making you feel better too. There's so much psychology
to it. It's like, oh, man, I wish we could
help more people get to the root of it. But
I understand we all need look the fact that some
people just have vices and people out there just their

(28:37):
vices just shopping, so some of that needs to be addressed.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
But then there's really just how we need we need
relief you know what I mean, like.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Just walking through the stores in the holiday and they're
playing Holiday musing Rin carries on Blast and you're shopping.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's like that instant relief, that instant boosts.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
We a lot of people just need it that so desperately,
so you can understand it. But I just wish it
wasn't such a bad find antial outcome.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Have youy' all ever made bread? You know, scratch scratch bread,
you have like or just like bake something. I have
been finding so much joy and peace from like just
and like I'm really genuinely I got a couple of
cookbooks from the library and I was like, I'm just
gonna like cook and like do new things, new recipes

(29:21):
to take out the monotony. You know how dark it
gets up here, you know you remember, like it's so
dark as like three thirty or four.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I was watched this night.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
I was just up there and I looked at the window,
like damn, I forgot how it gets darted like four thirty.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
It looks like it is the worst part of living there.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
I hate it. I do not miss it at.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Nights are so long, and I'm like, is it not
It's not the bedtime, yet it's like four thirty so
coop and like creating cinnamon rolls that made beta tacos
last night and yeah, and it's just it's helping. Like
I don't know how long it'll be useful for, but
that I think has also just give my hands something

(29:59):
to do and to keep my mind busy so that
I'm not following back because I definitely can see how
you know, you're on TikTok, you're on the internet and
like it's like, oh, everyone's like it's a herd mentality.
Everyone's shopping, ten billion dollars being spent, like I need
to get it. It's okay, everyone's doing it kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Yeah, yep, and you get more of what you search for.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
So if you start looking for.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Recipes and baking, you're gonna stop getting the shopping stuff.
I'm gonna get more of the baking recipe stuff. So
it's like, okay, you know what, maybe lean into that
a little bit because that definitely does help get some
of that. You you're always gonna get the ads, but
the stuff that's coming up in your feed isn't so
much going to be like look at this hall. It's
just more so going to be like, let me show
you my baking recipe. My kids love it, and then okay,

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that's a little a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Bake, Brad. Don't bake yourself into debt exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
So is this something you pick up just for the
holidays or had you already gotten into baking.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I've always been a baker, Like I do make a
big birthday cake for my kids for their birthdays, Like
I'll take whatever their theme is and make a ridiculous
character cake that nobody asked me to make for them.
And it's always been fun for me. But this level
of like consistency and you know, trying really like challenging recipes,

(31:14):
that's that's something that's new. Like I might make puff pastry.
I might try it. Like I made a three tiered
rainbow cake for Rio's sixth birthday party a couple of
weeks back. He's a Thanksgiving baby, so I always try
to like do his birthday huge so that he doesn't
feel like it's lumped together, you know. And it was
the day before Thanksgiving this year, so it's just the
pressure I put on myself. But I made him a

(31:37):
birthday and I'm always up to like two in the
morning doing it, even though I swear this is not
going to be I'm gonna prep, I'm going to practice.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Nah nah.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Ever since I made him a sloth for his first birthday,
it's in my tradition.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Oh oh my goodness, that's so cute. Though, that is
so cute.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
I don't think I have a got customized cakes even
as an adult.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Like it's always just a regular day.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Go gke, hook you up, put you need your skills?

Speaker 3 (32:05):
What is my girl? My thing is money, a stack
of money. Yeah, give me a cash cake.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Heyba fam We're gonna take a quick break, pay some
bills and we'll be right back. Wait, I want some.
I want some like career like business updates from you'll ya, Nelly.
We all know you were on gm A doing working
like such a natural.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Great show, y'all.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I had sorry sorry today's show.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah. So funny thing is I had obviously had it
on my.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Vision board for last year, for probably two years before,
and even last year it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
And I have a lot of.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Contacts at CNBC because I'm already on the CNBC Financial
Illness Advisory Council, which is now a global council.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Because we have some international members.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
But you know, I had just been contributing, contributing foring
and thinking, oh, it'll come back. But this year there
was a small event for NBC Universal staff for Hispanic
Heritage Month, and I'm not gonna lie. I kind of
had to go out of my way to be in
New York during the time that the event was, and
I wanted to do it. Obviously it was a Hispanic

(33:14):
Carritage Month event, but it was a smaller event relative
to like what I usually do, and you know, so
I was like, I don't know, I'm had to kind
of go on my way and it's such a small thing,
but I was like, you know what, we gotta do it.
We gotta show up for our people. Hispanic Corritage Month
is probably gonna be a lot of Latina women. They
need to hear this financial you know, wake up, So
let me show up. After that talk, this producer came
up to me and goes, you were incredible. You have

(33:36):
a light your natural I would love to have you
on my segment for the Today Show.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I almost didn't do that, gig y'all. I almost didn't go,
like this is the crazy stuff that be happened.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
I was like, wow, are you serious. Yes, let's connect.
So we exchange information. She's just the sweetest woman, such
a like, she has.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Such a big personality.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
She was wearing a tutu when I met her, that's
how like she is literally like a walk you know,
this frizzle.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Anyway, so I was like, okay, like let's connect. And
so we just texted for a long.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Time, and so she finally said, you know what, there's
a spot that opened up and we really want to
talk about, you know, just general financial tips for people
that are overwhelmed. And it's on a segment called on
the Money, and so I pitched them and they were.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Like, we love it, let's do it. It was supposed
to be a six minute.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Segment, then it got cut down to a five minute segment,
and then live on air they cut it down to
four minutes.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
So a lot of what we had prepped didn't.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Make it, but you know, I guess such as the
nature of live television. But the good news is I
was invited back for April for financial literacy months. So
we're gonna we're working on a segment now to kind
of help with like, you know, dealing with money and
financial issues as a family with your family, like how
to talk to your family about money.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So we're going to do that one next. So it
was fun. Honestly, it was really exciting.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
It was a lot of adrenaline and then it was
over so quick because it was four minutes.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
But you know, I have no complaints. It was a
lot of fun and I'm glad I'll be back to
do it again.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, you really are. I mean you know, I'm like, yeah,
you're a natural and you do you have a light
and I think that's incredible. It's also such a testament
to like, there's that it's like how do you get
those opportunities? How does it happen? And it's like, just
do the thing that you do like and get caught
doing it is such a good natural way to get
those types of opportunities. And that's right.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah, And I don't ever want to get to the
point where I feel like, oh I'm beyond that.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I'm too big for that. Like I had to.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I get tempted to think like, oh, that's such a
small event with such a small audience. It's like, so
what you never know who's in that audience, and unless
it is actually not feasible for you to do it,
then okay, like don't do it, don't you know, and
over backwards, change your whole schedule, go out of your way.
But if it works, and it's just a little bit
of you know, like of rearranging and you can still
make it work, Like I'm of the mindset of like, yeah,

(35:44):
make it work, because you just never know.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
And so I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I just essentially had to adjust like one of the
legs of one of my flights, but honestly, it was
so worth it. And then after the Today's Show segment
was over, I packed up and I headed out. And
my sister works in Rockville Center area, so so she
and I got lunch together, and that was so nice
because she's like the older.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Sister that I've like, I always have looked up to her.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
But our age gap made it so that she was
never like meeting her never we're around at the same time.
So when she went off to college, I was in
middle school, high school. Then when like she was working,
she moved out of the house and I went off
to college. And when I came back, like now she
has a baby, she's married, she has a house, and
so I just feel as much as I admire her
and she's always inspired me. We are never like able

(36:27):
to really link up and be together around the same
time or be at a similar phase of life together.
She's always like a bit ahead cause she's a couple.
You know, she's like she's an eighties baby. Well I'm
an ages to day, but she's an early eighties baby.
I'm a late eighties baby, so we're like almost ten
years apart. But that was so nice. We just sat
down and had a good old lunch, We had drinks,
we talked like it was just so so nice. So

(36:47):
it was more it was a trip that was worth
it beyond just like my Today Show segment, but that
was definitely the highlight.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Like that was so much fun.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, it's always better when you get to celebrate, especially
as you're coming down at the adrenaline rush, like get
to celebrate with someone who loves you and here knows
when you were just an eighties baby, that's my baby
sister show.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I know, right. She was like, I can't believe this.
I would go back to work with everybody. I was
just my sister was just on the Today Show.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Mind you, she loves big old she manages like major
construction projects in New York City. She was the site
manager for the reconstruction of the Yankee Stadium for the
brand new Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Like that was her project.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Okay, multi billion dollar project, and so she's like, I'm
so proud of my basis.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
I'm like, girl, please you run New York. Get out
of here.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
That's such a good Like my book club pick for
this year, can you see this? My book club pick
for November December is this book Uncompete. It's so so good.
I think it's so great even for sisters or like
friends to read this book, especially like I have three siblings,
and I used to be unnecessarily competitive with my little brother.
It was one sided. He's like, what, no, but I

(37:59):
had to work for some stuff. But anyway, like being
able to like celebrate each other's wins, especially when you
all do so many different like you're such very different
career paths, and some career paths more lend themselves to
like wins and like exciting updates. And then you have
people who like are if you're a teacher or you know,
you're a caretaker or whatever, like it may not feel

(38:19):
always like you're getting those that act that recognition from family. Anyway,
this is a wonderful book.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I had not heard of it on my radar now
on Compete love it.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's such a talent like and that's from a reach
by Rachica T. Malhotra. If you haven't listened to my
interview with her, y'all got to go back and listen.
But you'll see why it was my pick because it
just it brought a lot of peace and it feels
like the complete opposite of what all the signals from
society are telling us today, which is to compare, compare,

(38:50):
and to feel less than and like there's always something
that I need to improve on if someone else is winning,
Like what does that say about me? And I just
love the way that she takes the idea of the
concept of competition and kind of debunks the idea that
we are inherently competitive and like we're meant to be,
you know, competing against each other. All the time I've

(39:12):
been I've been really loving it. It doesn't just sit
on the shelf I have read it.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I love that. I really there's something to that.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Like collaboration over a competition has been such a strong
theme for like even just a lot of what we
all do on social media. For years, it's been like
stop trying to get people people collaborate together. It's so
much better every it pays off for everyone even more
and it feels good and it's.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
So much more fun.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Right, But it's like it's so much easier said than
done because of the way that the individualist culture of
Western culture is. It's like you in your you know,
writing down your goals, working towards them.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
You're in the silo and you really have to like
work so hard.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
To get out of the silo and like either you know,
put projects together or find opportunities or create the opportunities.
That's the reality because a lot of times you don't,
they don't come to you.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
You have to create them. So it's it's so hard.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
But like I always say, the easiest things in life
are not always the most rewarding. So if it is
going to be a little harder, it's because it's gonna
come with a greater rewards. So don't be afraid to
go out there and you know, create that opportunity or
create that project.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Go out of your way.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
And every chance I can collaborate with people, I do try,
because I'm not the kind that enjoys sitting at home
recording talking to my camera all day to videos, like
it needs to be other people social. I'm interacting with
people for me to really fill my cup.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh yeah sure. And I think too, like for me
being a guy, I feel like it's competition is always
like ingrading. You've got to be competing with everybody. And
I was such a hyper competitive like young person, and
I remember it took me a while to really break
out it. Really, it's so nice to like I used
to I used to hate losing, Like I hated to
lose so bad. No, no, no, we're going to like we're

(40:51):
gonna go anything I had to win, I had to
go and it was like but now, oh, I feel
like I gotten older. I've learned some things from therapy.
You know, you learn that, like you know, it's so
much it's so much more enjoyable to like celebrate people
you know, who you care about winning. And I love
to see people I know like do amazing things like

(41:12):
my brother. I love seeing like the life he's building,
like his family and his career. And it's just like
to me, it feels nice when you can finally break
out of that excuse me, that competition cycle and really
just look at what people are doing and like appreciate
it because like someone else, winning doesn't take away from you.
It should be kind of asked to your life to
see people you know and care about do well that part.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yep, maybe that's why. Yeah, it's it's really nice being
your friend. I'm glad, But it's like with this version
of it's nice to like be friends with someone once
they've worked all that shit out, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, competitive, I'll try that. I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I got Chris two point o because I like the
sound of the old.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Chris fourteen point seven at this point, so fourteen point.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
When I saw that, I wanted to talk to y'all
about too. Was Oprah? Is she has a podcast? But
I came across this on YouTube. She did a recent
podcast episode which is really just her show. They record
the audio, but it's like it's like vintage Oprah. I'm like,
is she doing the show again? It felt very like Oprah,
you know, to like nineteen ninety five, two thousand and five.

(42:18):
But she did a show on the rising trend of
going contact with your family.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
I saw clips on social media of it. Yep.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I turned it on earlier while I was doing my
you know, cyber Monday shopping, and I was so I
just the way that she put her and her team
put together these episodes. I'm like, oh, I miss this,
like nuanced conversation about a trending topic with multiple different voices.
It was just I'm like, we need more of this.
But it was so well done. And I think, yeah,

(42:53):
and so just the idea of like no contact, if
that's there's it does feel like more and more people,
especially like around our age friends family, that have been
like talking to me or just kind of casually talking
about having gone on no contact with It's not always parents,
but a lot of time it is parents. And I think, yeah,

(43:17):
I used to be more of a I am no
contact with a sibling of mine and I have been
for a long long time and it's just like one
of those relationships that it makes. It just makes so
much sense and life is so much more peaceful with
the no contact with the sibling. But it may in

(43:38):
hearing though from like the parents' point of view, because
Oprah had like moms and dads and you know, people
on the show talking about it and how the social
and also like psychologists talking about how the social media
aspect of it and you know the buzzwords like the
emotionally immature parent and you know, going no content and

(44:00):
how these themes are kind of giving young people permission
to just like not confront, not to have conflict and
like resolve it, which made me feel really reflective about
did I give that relation? Have I tried to resolve it?
The answer is yes, I don't. Like girl, yes you did,

(44:21):
But I wondered, Yeah, if y'all had any thoughts about that, I.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Was gonna say social media must play a big role
in that, because I do feel like the trend line
for it is only going up generationally. I don't think
that you see so many older generations saying, oh, I'm
going to cut off my sister or my cousin.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Or my you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
It just it's a different time for people to be
okay with saying you don't have to be part of
my life. And I think that, Yeah, I was gonna
say social media has to have played a big role
in that, because before we were all in silos, like
with our own families, but now you can go online
and swipe and listen to other people talk about how
they deal with their families, people across the world.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
You know, doesn't just have to be your community.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
So I think we not that you need permission to
do whatever you want to do with your life, but
I think it has given young people this permission to say,
you know.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
It's not healthy right for my own mental health.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
It's just another trending topic that has really taken off
because of social media, is what do I need to
do for my own mental health and my own sanity
and for me to be at peace? And if me
not talking to this person because they're toxic or because
they're extremely negative, or because you know, whatever problems they
bring into my life that I don't appreciate and I've
tried asking them, Like at this point, I think it
just has given permission to younger generations to say, even

(45:36):
if other people from older generations look down on it
or frown upon it, because they're your family. A lot
of those justifications, oh but their blood, Oh but they're
your family. Oh but that it's like, Okay, that means
something to you, It doesn't mean.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
That same thing to me.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
And that's I think the trend line and like the
I guess boldness that comes with just being able to
like accept that permission from like seeing that other people
are doing that. Because the truth is, I think that
for so long it was like so shunned upon, like no,
that's your mom, Like that's your that's your aunt, Like
that's your.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Only get one mom? Yeah, what is thicker than water? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
All those phrases.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
It just makes you feel like you can't, you can't
even think of doing that. But now I just I
really do feel like the more people talk about it,
because I don't think I don't have anything like that
in my family, but I have definitely, I will acknowledge
that I have seen a huge uptick in the kind
of content talking about it that I see. So when
I'm scolling Instagram now I'm looking at people's stories from

(46:35):
friends of mine, I'll hear them talk about how, oh yeah,
I don't talk to my mom anymore. You know that
that's just for the best for me, But you know,
other people Happy Mother's Day, you know, things like that,
when it's Mother's Day, when it's Followers Day, whatever, it's
whatever kind of things.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I've just seen it. It's been on the uptick for
a while and I'm like, oh, this was like a thing.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Social media has really emboldened people to just cut people
or try to set boundaries.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
If people don't respect those boundaries, then don't be afraid.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
To cut them like that, not just cut them, but
like I think there's a lot of conversation about toxicity,
mental health, boundary setting and then eventually if you need
to cut people off and making that okay, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Mean, I mean that's real because like I think, like
you said, older generations and almost like they didn't have
that option, they didn't allow themselves that option that you
would just do. You have to hear be around these
people who are horrible to you, who say it just
the most crazy, out of pocket thing to you, whatever
they want, and then you just like, well, this is
just what it is. Even though it makes you feel
horrible if you don't like it, you just felt like

(47:28):
you had to do it. And I think it's kind
of what man he was saying, Like, I think it's
important to try to fix relationships when you can. I
have conversations and be real, and i'd be like passive
aggressive and ignore it and just be like, oh, you know,
I don't like them but I'm never going to say
anything to them. You kind of have to put a
little bit of work to try to see if you can,
like let them know, hey, I don't like this, But
I think it's also really great to be able to
be like, look, they know how I feel, they still

(47:49):
keep doing this, and then to be okay, like, hey
if they were, if they were a friend, would I
be friends with them? Still? No, I think it's okay
to be like, you know what, just because we're related,
none of us had to saying this mean that we
need to keep this going. I get to say, you
know what, I'm good, And I think it's nice to
have the option, but you kind of I think it
is good that I do both, like both try to
be mature and have a conversation and work things out

(48:12):
if you can, but also be like, I'm good if
I if we don't see each other again.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, And I think there's even something to be said
for a small subset of people who probably feel like
they don't even want to put the effort into trying
for whatever reason. And I'm thinking of like the most
extreme cases where there's been physical abuse or domestic violence,
whatever kind of things, where it's like I've seen that
person's true character. I have zero desire to converse with them,

(48:38):
to try to reflect, to try to work through it.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Absolutely not. I just don't want them in my life.
I don't want to be in theirs.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
And that's a decision that I'm making for my best
self and my best life, and like that is okay too.
I do think that that's going to be more of
a smaller subset of people. I think most people do
try to work things and then it just realized like, Okay,
this is not working and I'm trying and it's not
going anywhere, but it is also okay, and you're like, yeah,
I ain't even really trying to have a conversation with
this person because I don't think that's going to be pruful.

(49:05):
I don't want to. That's fine too. It's just I
don't know that that's the norm. But I do think
we want to just acknowledge that that that is totally
okay and valid as well.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
It's really painful, I think, for I don't think there's
any pain free side of it, Like whether you're the
person who's being cut off or the person doing the cutting.
Like it is, it can be really really painful to
like disconnect from a person and maybe you have like
fond memories for a time with or like and I
think there's also this societal thing where we we want
to have that relative, that sibling, that mother daughter relationship,

(49:38):
father daughter, you know, whatever it may be, and we
sort of romanticize that, and when you don't get it,
it's really painful. And also like I just really I
feel for people who are doing the cutting off. I
don't and I think to your point in Ellie, like
a lot of them they have tried and from watching
and I'll put a link in the show notes, but

(49:59):
like watching this whole long, hour long episode of this
Oprah podcast video whatever Oprah show was hearing, how many
times the real issue was that when someone came to
the table with the problem, the other person could not
see past, like could not do any self reflection. And
this was especially like true of parents when your child's

(50:22):
criticizing you, And I've definitely experienced with my mother this
where there's this like instant pushing away in defensiveness, which
then like leaves the like leaves you being the person
complaining or bringing up a grievance feeling like there's really
no hot like where do we go from here? You know,
like to not be acknowledged or to not get that
validation and like that apology and the accountability and I

(50:46):
feel like the key takeaway and I hope a lot
of people watch this is like if you're someone who
has been cut off, and they're like, you're gonna you're
letting that resentment foster, Like why did they do that
to me? And you know, I gave them everything, I
was a great whatever to really like listen to what
they're saying, which is it has to start with you

(51:07):
acknowledging the part that you play in whatever story that
they're you know, telling you. And when you can't do that,
that's when you have to get cut off. Yeah, you
in that case, like you're helping cause your own pain.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah. And a lot of times it's because those people
have not been to therapy.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I'm just I'm just.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Going to say it, and I'm just going to say
it because it is much It's much easier to be
able to listen to somebody critique the way that you
handled a situation or the way that you treated them
and reflect on the.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Way that you were involved in that and what role
you played, Like it is much easier when.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
You have had a consistent practice of doing so with
therapy conversations and in therapy sessions. So to not have
ever attempted therapy and to hear somebody talking to you
and be immediately defensive and not try to acknowledge any wrongdoing, Like,
to me, that's a sign that person is in desperate
need of some therapy.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I'm just like, how do I make sure that my
kid always know as they can criticiz or like bring
me feedback and I'll like take it and I.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Just just you know what, I would say, tak of a.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Worse outcome than him cutting me off someday.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
And I think as a former teacher, I was always
trying to do this with the kids, is make sure
they they don't see me as the one hundred percent perfect,
all knowing, amazing teacher who's the who's like the leader.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
And the fearless to know everything.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Like I didn't want them to see any adult that way,
and so I was constantly telling them, you know, asking,
you know, hey, what could we have done better about that?
Or did you like that activity? Was there something that
was you know, any kind of feedback. And then also
if a kid just tells you something where you recognize
they're trying to give you some type of feedback, like

(52:47):
I would pause and I would say, thank you so
much for telling me that I could have done an
even better job with dismissal yesterday it felt really rushed,
So that helps me know that today's dismissal, I'm gonna
add an extra five minutes and I'm gonna make that change.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Thanks to the feedback that you gave me.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
So give me a high five. Is you're gonna make
us all better. You're gonna make me better.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
And like letting kids know that when they tell me
something that I.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Actually I'm gonna say it out loud and I'm gonna like,
you know, narrate it so everybody can hear. Oh, she's
taking that feedback and actually thinking that it's okay to
get feedback and thinking that what I did wrong was this,
but this is how I'm gonna make it better, and
thank you for telling me that. And like all of
that has to be done out loud consistently so they
can see it modeled. And the more that happens, the

(53:32):
more they realize that's normal. To do so then they
copy it and they do it too, but they also
just have more memories of you listening to them and
actually taking their feedback and implementing it. So, I mean,
I'm sure you already do this, Mandy, but like if
you're wondering, oh my gosh, how do.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I do more of that? Like, it's just that it's
just saying out loud, thank you, baby, you.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Know what you just told me that you know the
this wasn't set up right, and now I know that
I need to take five extra minutes to set it
up and that and I'm gonna make it better because you.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
And that just helps them realize it's.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Okay for me to tell grown ups some things back
sometimes as long as it's respectful, you know what I mean.
That's obviously that's always the line. But just doing more
of that.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Just be a boomer's first nightmare. Boomers don't get any slack.
My mom's a boomer, she's come so far. Shout out
to you for doing the work, but yeah, be their
worst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Like feedback and criticism.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
They can though self reflection.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Baby, it's hard because you know what it is.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
It's like when I try to encourage my dad to
change his diet.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
A couple of years ago. He had a serious surgery. Then, man,
he was he's seventy years old.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
When you've been doing something the same way for seven decades,
they say you can't teach old dog new tricks. It's
worse to try to teach an old person new habits
or new behaviors.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
It's like seventy years of being.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
This way, saying these things, acting a certain way, and
it being okay, and now someone's telling you it's no
longer okay. It's like it really, I mean truly, is
like piercing the bubble of their world.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
So I feel little for boomers.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I know we have like I'm always like, okay Boomer,
But at the same time, I do feel bad for
them a little because they have literally spent almost a
century behaving a certain way, and then all of a sudden,
one day they wake up and somebody's telling them, oh,
you can't do that, you can't say that no more.
And it's like, ask you me, what do you mean.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
It's gonna be really hard to make the shift.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Not that they can't, not that it's impossible, not that
they shouldn't want to, just acknowledging that it is going
to be difficult to do that. It's really hard because
just because of the at batch, just because of the
repetition of them having done a certain thing a certain
way for so damn long.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I'm gonna need to write my future me a letter.
I don't know. Will there be letters in the future,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Know, But just be like, tell you I can see
the store for you.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Your twenty five year old son is critiquing you, Mandy,
like you said this was okay, Remember it's fine. Reflect
and reflect and be like, why did you throw my
minecraft toy away? Even though I hit my brother with it?
Like that was a bit much. I'd be like, I
did the best I could. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
And Also the thing is with the shift how we
think about critique, Like when you hear the word critique,
I think immediately it's negative, like there's only if this
two buck, it's positive negative. But you hear the word critique.
We never put that word in the positive boocket. And
it's like why not, Like when I get critique, I
think it's because Okay, So when I was an undergrad,
one of my majors visual arts, and so we would
do critiques. Like we would walk around the studio and everybody,

(56:17):
like all twenty students would go to one student's art
piece and we would just look.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
At it and critique it. It's like that critique is
never a bad thing. We wanted critique.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
We were all waiting for the critique to happen for
next week because it would help me realize what I
got to do to make this piece that much better
so it can actually make it to the gallery. Like
I honestly, I have a weird relationship with the word
critique because I think of it in that artistic context
of like, oh, all these really good artists are going
to come look at my piece.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
And make it better, like give me the critique.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
But I think we in life tend to think of
critique as like the word criticism or critics, which often
are usually negative. But criticism can be good, and a
critic can give you a good review just as well
as easily as they can give a bad review. I
think it's more so your relationship with hearing those words,
and you don't always have to agree either, Like I
would look at the critique and be like, oh, yeah,

(57:03):
now that's their style. I don't want to do that.
I don't want to add more yellow. I think that's
going to make it too, It's going to change the
vibe of my piece. So thanks for the critique, but
I'm not going to, you know, implement it. Like I
think there's that world where we can actually just like
sit with it all and not have to have it
be such a negative weight. But of course, you know,
I think a lot of that comes from therapy too.
I mean, for me it was just the art world,
but for a lot of people, I think the more

(57:24):
you hear things about yourself that aren't fuzzy and warm
and positive, the more like you get comfortable hearing that
kind of criticist or hearing things like that in general
about yourself.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, well, just PSA to you for this holiday season.
You know, you have permission to spend it how you
want to spend it, with whom you want to spend it,
and things don't have to get resolved just because it's
a holiday, and you don't have to pretend that things
are okay just because it's a holiday. But maybe it's

(57:56):
like an opening for a conversation after the holiday, when
things are not so heightened and people are not trying
to like, but it's Christmas, but you know, the season
of blah blah blah. It's like, well, if you want
to have a really painful discussion, then we can earn
like that time that we're going to spend together over
the holidays. But yeah, it's really freaking hard. I think
just the parent in general, like to be a parent

(58:17):
and then to get because you so, yeah, I can
under I really empathized with parents and have compassion for
them who are getting the difficult critique or feedback because
it's just so different than anything else in your life
that you've done, and something that is so complex and
so difficult in and of itself. I think we need
to do a better job preparing parents, like and also

(58:39):
like helping parents acknowledge their own humanity to your point
on Ellie, like like reminding myself constantly like I'm actually
a work in progress too. I am going to make mistakes.
It makes it a lot easier than to understand later
why someone may may have feedback or maybe giving you
some you know, some like here's my version of events,
this was hurtful to me or whatever, because and then

(59:01):
you're not going to be because they're really they're reacting and
defensively because it hurts because they have they haven't allowed
themselves to even to entertain the idea that they could
mess up and that it would be okay. Doesn't make
you a bad parent to have messed up, like we're
gonna do it. And so that's just something I'd put
that in my letter to myself in twenty years, to

(59:23):
be like, you're a good mom. It doesn't, but you
fucked up. But you're a good mom. But you're fucked up.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
It's all right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
You're not you're not getting you know, you're not a
terrible person, but acknowledge that you messed.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Up, and honestly even changing the way changing your definition
of a good mom or even a perfect mom.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
What is a perfect mom?

Speaker 4 (59:41):
A perfect mom is a mom who does an exceptional
job eighty five percent of the time and fucked up
fifteen percent of time.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
That is a perfect mom because.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
It's inous, because it's impossible to be one hundred percent
write one hundred percent on one hundred percent of the time.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
So that doesn't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
So a perfect mom is actually what comes next with
ten percent fuck ups ninety percent incredible great mom, then
that's a perfect mom. So I think we have to
shift the way we think about good mom or perfect mom,
or good sister, perfect sister, good husband, perfect husband. It's
like it's there's always a small amount of fuck ups
in there, and that's part of being a perfect human,
Like we're all perfectly human.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
So I think the more we think of it that way, the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Less we go like, oh, well that that doesn't sit
wrong with me because I couldn't have buked up. Yeah
you did, you did, and it's part of it's part
of the normalcy of it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Well. Maybe shocked to hear this, but I do make this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Not Mandy, No, No, I'm talking about other moms.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I wasn't talking about you girls holding my raggedy broken
microphone for the umpteenth time, talking about I should have
replaced this by now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
What you switched hands.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
You switched hands holding the micro earlier, and I was like, oh,
she's still holding that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
A lot going on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Do you see the cinnamon rolls I made? I can
be put together a lot in my life. Still not
have the damn screws from my show actually pays my
bills I should get.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
I'm gonna ship you a little little di'd you call
it the little stand, the little mic stand.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Then you just screw under it and thet's see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
If I got it. I just missing the screws I ordered.
I ordered a little pack before while it was before
I started the show, So.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
You got any Friday deal? Okay? Should out be n h?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Well should we take a little break out and come
back and do brown boost brown break?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Let's do it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Sounded so. I also haven't shouted out listener reviews yet.
I'm gonna do that on the other side of this
break be right back by a fam All right, we're back.

(01:01:49):
Dan Ellie is sipping out her disco ball. It's very cute.
It's like, oh, you know what it reminds me of
It was a little coconut on because yes it does.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Okay it was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
It was a warm tea. Now it's a cold tea.
But I will say it's just it's just so much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
It made me think like, oh, you know what, why
can't a cup be a little globe?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Like why do we think that things have to be
a certain way? That's why I like. It made me
think different.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Your cabinets rectangular? You know, they need to have more
corners more It could be it could be over.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Over, they could be heart shaped, o who shaped like,
we could be creative, you know, whatever you would, whatever
you want.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Husbands put me on a band of buying new vessels
for beverages. He's like, we have enough vessels, vessels. There's
so many ways to drink drinks in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
You got enough cups at certain point, you got enough cups.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Every incoming typical question that really there is no right
or wrong answer there is. I did see Stanley, like
a real Stanley at home Goods for like twenty bucks,
and I'm like, wow, the Stanley, you know, crazes. We've
We've done the full circle. Now it is a bargain
product at home Goods.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
That's said it was crazy. I might people know this
is just a cup, right, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I never got into it, but I will say, even
twenty dollars for one of those things, I'm like, the hell,
I'm not paying twenty dollars for that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
You crazy water there?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
For some water there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I get those free every time I go to a conference, Like,
I'm just like, I'm not paying twain dollars for one
of those cups.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
I get them free.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
You going to a nice conference all the conferences.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
They be giving out the little water bottles and keep
your stuff hot or cold.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I just get I got kind of excited for like
what twenty twenty six outside it's going to be like
because I'm going I'm going to more things than ever
next year.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
And that's why you need the vessels. You take something
with you, you know, you switch it up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I gotta stay hydrated. My only resolution is to continue
getting good sleep. I'm a seapop queen now and it's
my favorite accessory I love for except for the neck
pain it causes. But we worked that out. We worked
it out. No, I have a whole like support system
now for the hosiery. All right, sleep and sleep in

(01:03:57):
peace and hydration. Back to basic baby listen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Seriously, I'm so with that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
So with that all that the basics, well I want
to do. I want to do listener shout outs really quick,
actually before we get into brown Boost Brown Break, because
we had some new comments on YouTube y'all. By the way,
we're almost at like six thousand YouTubers, which is to me,
it feels like a win.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
That is a weird. It's very hard to even cross
a thousand on YouTube. It's really hard. That's consider.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I mean, we really didn't. I really didn't spend a
lot of time investing in YouTube and till like the
last year. So yeah, that's my YouTube fan. But on
a recent episode, we had, uh, we had Jodyanne Buret,
who wrote a book called Authentic, which was all about
her experience as a black woman being disabled in corporate
America and like whether or not what does it mean

(01:04:45):
to bring your authentic self to work and how it
really bit her you know, in the you know where
in some parts of her career. It was a wonderful
episode and on YouTube, commenter at Radio City ninety six said,
this episode really saved me from a mental breakdown. I
thought I was alone in my journey being disabled black
and in DEI workspaces that were ironically not built for us.

(01:05:06):
Thank you both for being this light in what feels
like an empty dark cave for people in general, but
for me today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Goodness, that is so sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
That was really sweet. That it's always hard to have
those kinds of conversations and like know how to do
it in the right way. So I'm just glad anybody
resonated with that episode and what Jodianne had to say
because her book was Yeah, it was really really good
again it's called Authentic and her name is Jodyanne Buret.
And then I had Amina. Oh sorry, a'mnna I keep

(01:05:38):
messing up. I'm gonna Altai, who is the author of
the Ambition Trap come on the show and listener Sue
Han Okay, how do I do this? Sue hanne Ci
Fernando on YouTube said, this is so great. Thank you
so much for this video. I relate one hundred percent
with Amana's experience in terms of career, and this is
probably the best thing I've had to hear in a
long time. Thank you for inspiring me. YouTuber. Y'all commenters

(01:06:03):
on YouTube are so nice. So YouTube supposed to be scary, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
So nice on the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
It's like those sour Patch kids. It's like the sweet
carments are super sweet, but the sour ones are really
sad wish.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
So you just got to stay away from the negative
comments because they get real bad. But the good ones are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Just many many. I'm really happy with ba Fam.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
That's a sign that you're doing things right on YouTube
because some people are quite great.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I'm trying, but thank y'all so much. Ba Fam for
your comments and your reviews and all of the things.
Love y'all so so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Do y'all have a little something prepared? Do you want
me to offer up?

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I can start my boost.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
You know, my brown boost is that I got this book,
Priceless Facts about Money, which is written by Melody Hobson.
If y'all don't know her, she's incredible. She is the
leader at Ariel Investments, which is the first ever black
brokerage firm, black lead and owned brokerage firm signed by

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Melody Hobson.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Well you got to meet her.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
I got to meet her.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
And the boost that I'm boosting is not only her
book is really awesome and I bought a copy for
all my nieces and nephews, but it's a children's book
called press Facts about Money, which is really a great
for a great book for adults to learn, but also
for the kids too. But you know, she did the
thing where you kind of like throw some veggies into
the burger meet and then like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
You know, it's really for adults, but it's great for kids.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
And when I met her was an incredible opportunity because
we were doing a documentary about financial education, and she
has a school in Chicago that they actually fund with
like forty thousand dollars every year for each graduating class,
and they get to invest that money and then it
grows and then it actually helps them pay for college
and like different things in the kids future, which is amazing.
So we were interviewing her about that model, and then

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later on I got to interview her for a teacher
conference where she was a keynote speaker, and I got
to interview her for the fireside chat. Next week on
the MGPF podcast, We're going to be posting the conversation
of me interviewing Melody Apps And which is crazy that
I'm even saying that right now, Like I interview, Melody
talks icon she's iconic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
But if you don't already know her, definitely follow her.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
And if you're looking for a really good book about money,
the history of money and just like financial facts and
like banks and like cash and all the different things
that used to be money. And just in a way
that's such a fun story because it's woven of the
story of her childhood as well as her the co
leader that she works with the Aerial Investments both of them,
two young black kids talking to each other about money,

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teaching each other about money facts, and it's just so
much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So it's called Pricess Facts about Money. And you know
we love Melody House.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Since you saying reminded me about that, I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
So good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Because what age ranger are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
I would say definitely probably like six and up, five
or six and up, because if you're like two or
three years old, it's kind of hard to understand some
of the financial concepts.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
But it could work.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
I mean if they're a little mature, but I would
say definitely, like kindergarten it up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Yeah, because Rio just thinks money is something he finds
on the floor if he's lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
You know what Peo might like, though, you know what
real might like. Though in the book I'll show you
the inside has.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
These really cool pop outs, like.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
He's if you're looking at this on social media, you
see the video these pop open, so he would like
to see the history of money from the time of
dinosaurs all the way to like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Me help I can get I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
That is really fun. So the little littles might love that,
But the text.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Is a little dense, so you'd have to obviously read
aloud to him and then like you might check out
after a while.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Kindergarten up definitely a lot to learn, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Riel's like, Mommy, why don't we live in a mansion.
I'm like, I'm not file us away for questions answer related.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Let's put that. Let's put a bit in that. Baby,
this is a mansion.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Yes, you know what houses Constant twenty five exactly. That
was a job. Okay, So I didn't know you guys
had a podcast. What's it called.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Yeah, that's just for teachers.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
It's called the n GPF podcast Next Gear Personal Finance
and nonprofit that I work with where we have one
hundred thousand teachers across the country that teach financial literacy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
In middle school and high school.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
So we give them free resources, you know, curriculum training,
professional development sessions online and in person, and then we
host these conferences twice a year, once in April for
Financial Literacy Month and once in August for back to school.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
And the one that we just held this past August
was for back to school. The keynot speaker was Melthy
Hopson and she was amazing, amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
That's my favorite part of your interview on today, not
when you like acknowledged all the incredible teachers that you
get to work with.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Yeah, they're amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
They're working so damn hard, and you know, a lot
of times it's just like being a parent. You work, work, work,
whereere nobody stops and say thank you. So it's yeah,
amazing unsung heroes for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
All Right, did you have a boost? I mean, sorry,
a break?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Well, I'm gonna go back to I'm gonna go back
to what I said earlier. My break is why why
are we spending so much money on Black Friday breaking records.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
When we are not doing We're not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I don't want nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
I don't want y'all spending record highs. I want y'all
spending record lows or record mediums.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Okay, because might be the best.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
The best at saying and investing. Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Matter of fact, for the holidays, when we were doing
the little photoshoot thing with my family, I had a
chance to like, I was like, oh, I want to
request one a solo shot, like for my little self PTRA.
And then I was like, wait, can I get one
just me with all my nieces and nephews and so
I got a picture with all ten of my niece
and nephews, and when I looked at it afterwards, I
was like me and all my five twenty nine contributions,

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It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
God, bless you. I wish. I keep sending the link around,
but people don't want to contribute. They want to know
that they opened up their ridiculous hot wheels. So like police.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
For I can help listen on their birthday card.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
I told my sister when my niece had a birthday
party last year, her eighth birthday, I told my sister
on the invitation say no presence allowed this year. We
are so grateful for all of your contributions into her
five twenty nine college fund.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
She has a goal of hitting.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Three figures, four figures and then eventually five figures next,
but four figures for now, she's what eight years old?
So we put the U gift code on there. They
go to U gift dot com, they can type in
the U gift code and they can contribute. So by
making a specific goal, say hey, we're trying to hit
one thousand dollars in their account. Hey, please don't buy
them toys like add money.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Help us reach this goal. That actually worked.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
My sister told me all the cousins instead of buying presents,
some bought a present anyway on top of it. But
they did put like twenty thirty fifty bucks into the
five towenty nine plan.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
And it makes a big.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Difference because it's like once a year every year everyone
contributes instead of just mom and Dad being the only
ones to add money, right, because it's a lot. So
I'm big on the five toy nine. I've contributed to
all the Nissan nephews that have them. Two pieces that
I have that are like only five years younger than
me and like nine years younger than me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
So I was a baby when.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
They were born, so I didn't have the money for
them to but all the other ones that the littles
that came later when I did have money, I was like, okay,
we're doing this, and I've helped them set up the accounts,
and I tell everybody that you gift codes every year.
I remind them for the holidays post in the family
what's that chat? All of you gift codes again? Put
them in here again. I always remind them every year.
So it's just you know, got to make it a thing.
You got to push it until people go like, Okay,

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we'll respect your wish and we'll do this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
They really do be acting like taking something from them,
like what do you know you can give a gift
to tell?

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
But you know that TikTok that's going viral is where
you ask the kid, hey baby, what did you get
last year for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
And what do the kids say?

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
I remember?

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
So yeah, they don't know, and they damn sure will
be grateful when they're going to college and see that
you put you know, thousands of dollars in their five
twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Oh, they sure will.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
It's just delayed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
It's delayed gratitude, not instagrams. Who you know, people don't
like to delay things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
But idea of the goal.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
I do like setting alone, which will help us four figures,
make it cute, make the goal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I just helped my brother and sister in law set
up the five nine for their new little boy to
had this summer. And we did as we were doing yesterday,
let's get let's give it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
That's a beautiful chumpers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
He is so freaking He's a talk.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Little baby, a little baby.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Brown boost words of coming out of those chubby cheeks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I'll give you my brown Boosts. It's definitely gonna be
a baby because last time Mandy hated on me for
talking about my lovely family being my brown booth, the
boots I have, I'm touring. I got too many things,
but it's all around. The northest trip I did to
the Northeast where we flew into Portland, Maine, and basic

(01:14:44):
just drove around the Northeast, went to Vermont, went up
to Canada, came back down. Matt Mandy New York, out
with her for a little bit, and then ended in
New York. I wanted it to be d n H
Photo because that store is I would live there. I'd
never seen an electronic store like that. I've only seen
them online. I'm like, they got conveyor belts on the
ceiling bringing packages. They got every headphone, microphone you've ever

(01:15:06):
seen in your life. I won't do that, but my
brown boost is gonna be just the whole province of Quebec, Canada.
We drove across the border. I was nervous. I'm like,
oh God, let me get this passport ready. Who's gon
Who's gonna pop out the bushes? I didn't know. Hopefully
we got in and back safely. Uh, Canada is beautiful,
like every time I go and I'm just like, hmm,

(01:15:28):
this is what we could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
A little bit of that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Everybody looks everybody looks happy because they got health insurance.
It's amazing. But anyways, it was. It was so cool.
I've never been to Quebec and it's like the French province.
You just go across the border and all of a sudden,
all the signs are in French. They got you know,
they got just Canadian stuff everywhere. I don't know, I
don't know where to put it. I feel like it
was amazing. We went went to Quebec City and didn't

(01:15:55):
even know that was a city before I started doing
some research. It's this magical little city that's like three
hours like northeast of Montreal, and it feels like you're
like in I was like, I was like, am I
in Disneyland. It's like it's like these cobblestone streets, these
like old stone buildings. It is just beautiful. It's cold.
I love being cold. I had to learn a little

(01:16:17):
bit of French because but most people spoke English. It
was very rare when I ran across someone who didn't
speak English, but it was It's such a cool experience
because I've done very little traveling internationally, so for me,
this was my first real experience of being like, I'm
somewhere where English is not the first language.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
It was so cool to be like, oh, let me
just try to speak another language. Let me learn what
I'm supposed to be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Lingo, little lingo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
My brown break is ding lingo, because I was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Like, I'm accent.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
I have got to learn a little French.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
For language.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
French is hard because they just ignore a bunch of
letters for some reason, and you're like, wow, these letters there,
they don't say any of them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Ain't that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
But that's true. Similar to Spanish.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
If you if you know a little Spanish, French is
a little easier.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, that's true. I do. I do. I know a
little Spanish. So some of the words are similar, structures
a little similar. But du a Lingo. They're teaching me
stuff like, well, the first thing they taught me was
how to say horse. It was cheval and I'm like,
what am I going to say horse? Why is this
one of the first words you're teaching me. I'm not
I saw no horses. The whole time I was there,
I never once had to say horse to somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
You need to do lessons that are focused on the
right context, you know, like traveling abroad. Yeah, organized like
cooking with your you know your's true.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
They should organize it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
That's a good point, instead of putting it in like
their perceived order of vocabulary random and then yeah, that's
a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
It took forever friends to teach me how to say
am like I'm American, or how do you I speak?
I speak English? Like it took me. I had to
learn all about horses, cats and dogs for the first
three three words I learned. I'm like Luha's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
You just walk around with the Google thing, the Google
translator like here, it can listen to your voice and
then dictate it back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
You know that thing, listen, I give that thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
When I was in Japan, and let me tell you,
I was able to speak with the Uber drivers and
they were so nice once we were able to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
At first, it were like angry and mean because I
didn't speak any Japanese. And the moment I busted out
the app and said we are going to the airport,
can you take that out. And then he heard the
Japanese on the phone. He was like he lit up.
It was so happy. I said, Oh, we are using
this thing because.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
It's stressful when you're like trying to just have like
normal you know, help somebody normally, but you can't communicate. Yeah,
I'm done for any cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Good. The air pods they have their translation in them
now too, where it'll it wouldn't help you speak it,
but help you understand what is what they're.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Saying to you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I didn't know, hope I deserve I don't know. I
can't buy anymore. I can't justify three hundred dollars for
air like I've lost so many pairs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Same you get the cheap one, don't get the three
hundred do Let's get that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
We don't have the translation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
That's why I have. I have the cheaper ones and
the well which one is that? Which I mean relatively
they're in they're like one hundred and thirty something like that.
I mean three if.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
You have a pop one, I lose one of them,
like I surely will.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
Right right, No, But you know what now, the good
thing is because I almost lost this on the plane
on a flight back from Thanksgiving back to Miami. It
had you know, on your phone, you can pull up
the thing and make it, make it make a little sound.
So I was able to find it before I got
off the plane.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Thanks goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
One of my knockoff air pods is in Miami. I
lost it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Oh oh, it's in my apartment. It's sitting up some here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
It's in the hotel wherever it was at. Oh got it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
That's a cute one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
That's cute. I could not find it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Oh no, it'd be like that, but that sounds amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
I'm out in Quebec City to my list, because we've
been talking about going like colder places because obviously we
live in Miami, so it's always warm down here. So
it's like and we're from the Caribbean, so it's like, okay,
we're either going to take a trip that we already
know well, another tropical trip, or we're gonna try cold trips.
So we were thinking about like making a big trip
like Antarctica, but I think Quebec City sounds more doable, So.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
That one's my list. And Argentina and never done the
whole like Torrest, still pine, like that whole, like southern.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Close, and you're so freaking close.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
I was in Buenos Aires earlier this year and I
was like, I could literally go right there, just south a.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Little bit, but I had to be back for an event.
I couldn't make it work. But yeah, I'm with you.
I'm like, come on, we're so close, Like let's just
go right and just do that trip.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
But I yeah, I'm gonna add colder trips to the
list because I feel like if I'm gonna enjoy warm
weather all year long, I got to switch it up
when I go and take these trips.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Try some yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Different, you have to wear a jacket, weird.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
I'm like, I don't blame you, girl. I don't miss
that cold that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
You can be a little snow birds when you want
to be.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
As soon as we landed and I got off the
plane and I felt that chill, that cold on my neck,
I was like, and I don't miss living here at.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
All, period period.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
So Canada for Chris, very unpatriotic of you, but sure, yeah,
we love Canadians are so nice. All right, I'm gonna
do a break for, first of all, justice for cream
of mushroom soup because y'all saw this this VP at Campbell's.

(01:21:25):
That did you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
So he was recorded on I don't know who've recorded him,
but I love it. I love the pettiness. It was
probably one of those like zoom calls that's recorded and
they still be talking out there, you know, talking out
the side of their mouth. They sure do not recognizing
that someone could send this clip to the internet. They
could go viral. But yeah, this guy was If you
haven't listened to it, I'll post a clip more.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Even though I look at it and bio engineered me.
I don't want you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Don't you said, chicken?

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
It came from a three D priner.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
You basically saying that y'all know our products are terrible.
They're made for poor people. I don't even buy this stuff.
And it was really one I think offensive to anyone
who like, like this is just a key ingredient. And
and I'm from like I have my Midwestern roots and
my mom's side in my southern roots, and I'm like,
that's one thing that we can agree on is you

(01:22:22):
need a condensed soup somewhere in your holiday recipe, whether
you're making your cream, your French and what's with the
bean of the green bean cast role, you know, or
you're making like like a my mom used to do
like again another like broccoli chicken triuscut castrole. It sounds insane.
That was one of the first things I learned how

(01:22:43):
to make in college.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
I don't think I ever had a casserole in my life.
This castro is never.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
I was wondering what I'm gonna tell I'm gonna have
to teach you how to make a chicken triscuit casserole
someday it's so good, I'll little cream of chicken soup.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
But there's chicken in there. I'm good. If it's green
bean cast role, I'm a past.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Sound good green bean castrole. I feel like I prefer
Christian onions on top.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Okay, but I want the green beans to be crispy
and crunchy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
I don't want it to be saved. I'm willing to
try it, but you don't need no crispy green roll.
Green bean castrole is just not a thing. It's impossible.
They have to be they have to be succulent, satiny.
It's almost like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
But I feel like that's the problem with cast roles,
because cast roles make everything when she creamy, so it's like,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Know, you agree with this VP at Campbell's who said
it's like bad poor people food. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
No, I'm saying I don't know why we need to
make so many different variety of cast roles.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Wow, it's the sustenance of a generation or the holidays
is when I can embrace my cast role roots, like
my sister makes us in credible like cornbread stuffing like
castrole type thing and it's just a big, like you know,
a big rectangular pot or a round pot of some

(01:24:09):
kind of mush that you know is indistinguishable and you
don't can't tell what every single ingredient is and you
just put it on your plate and it's warm and comforting,
and like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Are you trying to sell this to me or you
trying to No?

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
I am, but you have to like if you know,
you know, I don't know, that's just like a spoonful
of slot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Do you want a casse role or do you want
one of those? Who was that jello salads we were
talking about before.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
The jello salad, Oh my god, the jello salad you're
talking about? Warm? You know, something warm like a bread.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Por bread pudding sounds good, but.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
No marshmallow, no mayo, I don't be no none of that.
But the Campbell soup can it's just like a stable.
It was growing up for me. But anyway, this guy
was fired. I'm all for. Like, I do think this
is a brand that because so many households have used
it for generations, like they should be looking at their
ingredients and it should it should contain you know, like
natural ingredients and not whatever preservatives surely are keeping that

(01:25:12):
can like solidified and so then you dump it out,
it's the exact same shape as it can, Like, yeah,
we can be But like the way that I think
this is like really probably the way that a lot
of executives are talking about y'all behind your backs, consumers
getting for dumb you know, especially you know, very like
more budget friendly products, Like yeah, they're probably all talking

(01:25:33):
about you know, talking about us in this way. And
I just think it's great that he got caught, great
that they fired him. Shout out to Campbell's for doing
the only thing they possibly could, which is to fire.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
No absolutely not please and honestly even high end products too.
I mean you hear all the stories all the time
about how these people who created iPads never let their
kids on on iPad.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
So it's like, you know what, y'all be making this
stuff for us, but how.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Don't we You know, it's all that, it's very questionable,
but I one hundred percent agree about the ingredients. There
was a post I saw recently about the people who
say like, we grew up eating this and we're fine,
and then they go, no, you didn't, and they show
what the ingredient.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
List used to look like on these products and what
they are now. Oh my gosh, the difference is just,
oh god, it's reprehensible. I mean, it's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
That's why I'd be making my own bread now, y'all, girl,
I'm not even mad at it would be only three
ingredients flower, yeese, salt, okay, four with water.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
You know, I'm not even mad at your girl. I
might have some of that bread when you're ready, share,
share some of.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
That this way. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
I don't usually baked bread, but I am curious. I've
been seeing a lot of people on social media posts
like different.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
You know, I'm trying to make a big bread.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
I'm not a break bread baker either, I just used
it for a comedic effect, but because it takes so
long and it is delicious, But I'm like, eh, and
there's lots of bakeries that are doing great work, you
know what i mean.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Support your local, right, you can get a loaf of
breath for like three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Cents, I'm saying, and versus four hours of the time
it takes and the stress because what if it doesn't rise?
You know what I mean. Like it's it's a lot,
but I just do it for like the the the
more like the journey, not the destination. Do you know
what I mean? Support your local bakers. Please go buy
from them this holiday season. They're doing incredible work. Support

(01:27:24):
all right, Well that is my break and my boost.
Oh I had a boost, and now I forget what
it was gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
I understand I did give you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
I was very nice. I talked about it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Right, She's like I already mentioned it. What you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
I would love, though, is like a trip that doesn't
involve my children, because the last two times I've seen you,
it's been like with my kids each time, like we
don't actually get to like catch up, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
That's fair, doesn't really care because you're because your mommy mode,
your mommy mode.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Yeah, to be fair, I'm dying to be like ripped away,
you know, and like let me let me buy it,
let me spend one hundred dollars on a sitter. I'd
love to just to get like real quality time. I
had a girlfriend over, one of my very good friends
for years since college this past weekend. We both have
kids the same age. I couldn't tell you one thing
new about her life not but we are. Oh that
was my boost. Is going to be me and her

(01:28:24):
and another friend. We are doing like a mini little
writing retreat for three days. We're going to the beach
in the winter, which is a great writing environment. It's
gonna be Myrtle Beach for three or four days, and
we're gonna it'll be the first time we've like hung
out without the kids. And I don't even know how ever,
since we had kids. But I am excited for that

(01:28:46):
because I have to have ob basically the book to
work on, and yeah, I'm definitely craving some time away
to miss my family.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
So that's gonna be a two day writing retreat and
one of those days is going to be catch up
and hang out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Yeah, I said, the like working during the day and
then like having these beautiful, like grown up dinners at
night time. Maybe I'll put on like proper pants that
zip and like it'll be great. I'm really really in
that danger zone of like who am I because it's
like feeling much more you stay at home mom than

(01:29:22):
stay at home mom pretty worth these days, which is lovely.
But also I'm really looking forward to just having that
like friend girlfriend only grown up lady time before the
end of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Yep, I love that, love that for y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Well, thank y'all both. It's been so long since we
had a brown table. I really missed y'all. Thank you
for coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
I know I definitely did. Michelle.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
I was like, oh when I saw you message and
we're like, oh, we're gonna do one. When I was like,
you know what, it's been a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
It has been a minute too many, too many minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Well, I'm so glad to have y'all be a fam.
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Love love to hear from y'all. And like I said,
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Gen PF as well. All right, y'all take care, hie,
so you hey ba fam. Let's be real for a second,
and y'all know I keep it a book. Job market
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of color. Over three hundred thousand of US have disappeared
from the workforce this year alone, and not by choice,
but because of layoffs, disappearing DEI programs, and stagnant wages
that keep cutting us out of opportunity. Our unemployment rate
has jumped to over seven percent, while our pay gap
continues to widen. I know all of that sounds dire,

(01:31:26):
but here's what I want y'all to know. You do
not have to wait for the system to save you.
That's exactly why I created the Mandy money Makers Group
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(01:33:12):
Cameron McNair for helping me put the show together. It
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I need help, y'all, and thank goodness I've been able
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