How to Build a Personal Brand That Commands Respect and Bigger Paydays with Jamé Jackson

In this episode of Butternomics, Jamé Jackson Gadsden breaks down the art of building a personal brand that commands respect—and bigger paydays. From mastering LinkedIn and video content to negotiating with confidence, she shares how showing up authentically can open doors to unexpected opportunities. Whether you’re a creative, entrepreneur, or professional looking to level up, Jamé’s insights will help you stand out, get noticed, and get paid what you deserve. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Somebody says, like, you know, luck is when opportunity needs preparation,
And I was always preparing.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I always stay ready.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
So I don't have to get ready, and so then
when the opportunity presented itself, it allowed me to then
step up to the plate.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Stay ready.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
A lot of people are sitting around twiddling their thumbs
looking at what everybody else is doing.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
You need to be preparing.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You need to be scripting, You need to be writing,
You need to be testing out video. What are you
doing now to educate yourself on AI and innovation? What
are you doing right now to test out the new
formats of video and storytelling? How are you trying to
tap into your audience now? It doesn't have to be
perfect and tech. We talk about a minimal viable product.
Put up the basic version of it. Perfect it later.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of button Nomics. I'm
your host, Brandon Butler, founder and CEO of Butter atl
and today got a special guest in the building. Not
only is she a multi hyphened I just learned that
word to use it, you know what I'm saying. But
not only is she an entrepreneur an actress, but She's
also a community manager and podcast hosted LinkedIn Miss Jimmy Jackson, Jammy,

(01:08):
how you doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Blah blah, rand I'm have to stick you on tour
with me. I want that introduction all the time. It's
crazy that you just learned what a multi hyphen it is,
because you too are also a multi hyphenant, so I
don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
So I'm just throwing up a mirror to you today.
I'm just showing you who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I just say I do a lot of shit. That's
that's I just say, you know I do.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's a multi hyphen it.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Of course, that's exactly what I would say, but I
don't necessarily say that on my LinkedIn profile. But yeah,
whenever you see you see the work, you see the receipts,
that's a multi hyphen it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
We do a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Things, absolutely, and we're gonna get into that. You know,
that'll be the only time nowhere, That'll be only the
only curse word I say on this podcast because we
have a profession very professional conversation today with Jammay about
you know, just again LinkedIn and content and how people
can be more successful. So those who don't know Jamaki
you please give folks a rundown on what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
So, in all seriousness, really being a multi hyphenic kind
of comes into my nine to five every single day.
As a community manager, I am coaching literally thousands of
people at scale on everything from video best practices to
showing up more authentically on LinkedIn, to figuring out how
do you tell your story in a way that helps
you both build community but also hopefully get on the

(02:21):
radar of the people who can put some money in
your pocket. I work with everybody from sales and bizdev
professionals to marketing, to people in the social media space
to my fellow creatives right podcasters, and I really really
just enjoy kind of showing people like who you are
is enough and how you show up on social doesn't
have to be cat like. I know a lot of

(02:42):
people see LinkedIn and they think I have to present
myself a certain way, but I always challenge, well, what
is professionalism to you and how do we craft that narrative?
So that's one part of my job. Then the other
part is now being a podcast host. My amazing co
host Gianna and I have a new podcast called Let's
Talk Offline where we were really talking to gen Z

(03:03):
in earlier career professionals and kind of answering those unspoken
rules of work, things that you wish you had known.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Now, I'm not gen Z. Okay for all y'all listening,
and you're gonna be like, wait, what happened? I'm not
gen Z. I'm a millennium. But I think like what
we have.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Learned by building let's talk offline is there's so many
more similarities than differences across generations. If we all just
sat down and talked to each other, and we're honest,
we would actually get to learn a lot from each other.
And so we come out with like weekly episodes and
we really get to talk. And I'm just gonna tell y'all,
I'm very chaotic on the show. I'm very cha on
the hip, but it's all love, and honestly, I'm just

(03:40):
really happy that, you know, it lends it myself to opportunities,
including to chat with you like Brandon, you'd be doing
some big stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
I see you.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, I'm out here. I always tell people I strategically
pop out, you know, like now when I pop out,
I pop out, but I strategically pop out out here.
And these in these atl and in these social media
internet streets. But I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I mean, Kendrick said it best.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Sometimes you really do got to pop out and show
people because then they won't play with you.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Right now, I'm the first one to say, don't play
with it.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Absolutely, Now help me Understandjama's night. And again you say
you have all these insights around just LinkedIn, and I
think again people have seen that. You know, over the
last couple of years, we all used to think it
was just you know, super professional, suited and booted, and
you start to see people put more kinds of content
on LinkedIn. I'm not gonna lie sometimes I'm like, oh,
that's a little out there. I didn't know we were
going that far with it. So, you know, but like,
what's working right now from a content standpoint on LinkedIn?

(04:31):
And like what should people be focusing on to create
to help get themselves out there in front of people
that they want to be noticed by.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I love that question.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
So yeah, I mean, you know, there's definitely moments where
I'm like, uh, maybe that could have been saved for
the group chat. But I definitely think that what we're
learning is that professional conversations can look many different ways.
Like I remember I posted a video on LinkedIn maybe
a couple months ago, and I talked about professional haters.
I was dealing with somebody in my life who was

(04:59):
just really hate even from inside a club, like bro,
like you you with me, like why are you hating?
And I did a video on that, and next thing
I know, I woke up and we were over a
million impressions and it kept going and going and going.
And so I love to use that example because it
just highlights that professional conversations are.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
As unique as the people telling them.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
And so I always say that if you can approach
LinkedIn from the idea of I have a professional insight
that I want to share with the world, and if
you figure out a way in which to craft it
that the audience can relate to, that's how you build community.
With that being said, there's so many different ways that
you can tap into your audience at LinkedIn night. Obviously,
if you spend time on LinkedIn, you've seen things like

(05:42):
you know, posts, You've seen probably articles or newsletters, which
I always am gonna encourage. But a format that we
really have been seeing a lot of success in is video,
particularly short form video, So a short form video, I'm
going to classify that as like a two minutes or less,
think quick, actionable, snappy, and that like have a clear beginning, middle,
and end. You got to remember a lot of people

(06:03):
are consuming content, whether it's on LinkedIn or any other platform,
on their phones, and so you want to be able
to catch people's attention really really quickly, and you really
want to give them something that makes them want to
keep coming back. And so with LinkedIn in particular, because
we are a professional platform, you have the ability to
still be funny and quirky and fly and cultured and

(06:24):
anything else, but you can still do it by sharing
a professional insight that informs somebody else. And so one
of the things if y'all take nothing else from this
interview today, I'm going to tell you how on the
video wave at LinkedIn, we are seeing uploads up forty
five percent year over year. You know, we're seeing just
so many people tap into it from all different industries,

(06:44):
and really it's just as unique as you want it
to be. There is no one rhyme or reason or
one method of success. You have to just experiment and
find what works for you.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, and I mean I've heard for the last couple
of years. I mean, people like Gary ve talking a
lot about the importance of LinkedIn and getting on there
and just you know, finding places that have space. What
is it about that video that went viral that you
know made you think it went viral? Because as a
person that creates content, I always tell people you don't
know where the thing is going to be, so you
got to kind of keep creating. But like looking back
on it now, having a little bit of space and
time between that, you know. And also I think too,

(07:16):
when you look at things that do pop off, I
love to read the comments because even in the comments
you can kind of see different themes and whatnot. So
just if you kind of reverse engineered that piece of
content for a second, what do you think made it
work so well?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'm very much so the same in the sense that, like,
I've been creating content online for over a decade, and
so another video I actually did was about not chasing virality,
because I've worked at different media publications where virality was
the name of the game, and it's not sustainable for
any creator, let alone for those of us who don't
have teams, who don't have social media managers. We have

(07:49):
to do all this on our own. And I think
what made that video in particular successful was that I
was just real, Like the video is me sitting on
my bathroom floor doing my mate up, talking about these
things and telling people like, you need haters in your life.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's good for character development.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I think you need this because it helps teach you
who really shows up for you and like who is
really going to be there for you in your best
times and your worst times. And those are things that
you need because as you continue to kind of grow
up through the ranks and as you continue to accelerate
in your career, you got to be able to vet
the people who say they with you and the people
who just stay they're with you.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
And I think people really appreciated that vulnerability.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
They appreciated the realness, which is why I tell people
all the time, like, you don't have to be anybody
else but yourself, Like who you are, where you come from,
how you talk, how you present yourself, how you interpret
the world is more.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Than enough to build community.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
And this is honestly something that we talk about a lot,
even on like let's talk offline for instance, right because
when the opportunity came for me to be part of
this podcast. The first thing I thought I tapped into
was my apost syndrome. I was like, nobody wants to
hear this little black girl go off like who's had
a very untraditional career path, who's worked tons of different jobs,

(09:11):
you know, like if you look at my resume, it
almost never makes sense. And I was like, that's not
going to be serviceable. But then what I realized is
when I got in the booth, that's exactly what people
needed to hear. People needed to see somebody who looks
like them, who was chasing an untraditional career path, speak
on her observances of life. And also, particularly for our

(09:33):
audiences of color, they needed to see a woman like
me in these spaces. And so I say all of
that to say that, like you said, you'll never know
if something is gonna go viral or not.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
But first of all, that should never be the intention.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
You should just put the content out there because you
wanted to affect someone in a positive way or inform
or whatever you know your verb is. But then by
showing up continuously for that audience, you start to satiate
the itch that they had that they didn't even know
they had, and soon you become the person that they
always want to turn to to get that itch.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
No.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
You know, it's funny. I always kind of tell my
team on the content creation side up with Butter and say,
you know, if you ever watch somebody that's juggling the
trick that juggling isn't catching the ball, that's throwing the ball.
And so you know, if you watch somebody knows how
to juggle the ball that they the hand they used
to catch it doesn't really move. That's because their throws
are so consistent. And I think it's the same thing
when it comes to content, right, Like you know, you

(10:27):
have to get just consistent and kind of throwing stuff
out there because you never know what's going to be
the thing. I mean, there's a piece of content that
we created one time and it's lily like five chicken
wings on a plate at the office, and you know,
we posted it, made a little caption around it. When
I tell you, Chrissy Tigan's out here reposting it, and
now all of a sudden, Complex is reposting it. And
now all of a sudden, the USA, what is it
a morning show is calling us up and doing a

(10:48):
whole segment on how to use your chicken wings. And
I'm like, all this happened from like a photo that
I just took on my phone in like ten seconds
and just threw something out there, right, And so kind
of putting it together is what it's about. But even
to the point you made it about, even like making
that content while you're doing your makeup in your bathroom.
I think again, people have a lot of trouble sometimes
separating out, like when they think about professionalism versus just authenticity.

(11:10):
You know, what made you so comfortable with you know,
your audience and the platform of LinkedIn to be able
to do something like that where it wasn't superscripted or
you weren't like in an office or like in a
like overly business professional setting, because some people might think, oh,
that's not for LinkedIn, you know, that's for you know,
some other social platform. Like what made you comfortable in
saying you know what, No, this is me and I'm
comfortable putting this content out here, even on this professional

(11:31):
network kind of social platform.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I think I spent so much of my twenties trying
to be somebody else because, particularly when I first started
off in my industry. I was working in like the
fashion and beauty space. I had started my business when
I was twenty one, and there was an idea of
how black women in the fashion industry showed up right,
and it was very like magazine editor curated, like everything

(11:57):
had to be polished in prim and proper. And I'll
never forget I was at brunch one day because look,
I'm a DC girl, so one thing I'm gonna do
is find a brunch.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay, I know y'all be going up in Atlanta too.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
We got so I remember being This was a couple
of years in and I was out with some friends
and one of my friends was like, you know, who
you are online is cool and all, but that's not
who you are.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I was like, oh well, drag me over the mimosa.
What are you talking about? And she was like, cool,
you present online to be It's cool, and that is
a facet of you, Like that's the fashion and beauty, colorful.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Side of you.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
But you're not showing people your real person like your
personality like talking through video or through other formats, and
that is your superpower, Like you make people feel welcome,
You make people feel included you make people know like
it doesn't matter where you come from, like you are enough.
And I really took that to heart where I started

(12:56):
to ask myself, Okay, how can I show up more
authentically online? And how can I show up more authentically
not just with my immediate peer space, but also to
people who ever come across any piece of content? And
I kid you not, Brandon, I prayed, and I said, Lord,
guide me in the way so that I can show
up authentically in every space I'm in. Any room you
put me in, when I walk out, they're gonna know

(13:18):
Jamay was there. It's never gonna be a question of
who was this girl? Whatever whatever else. Because if the
room is meant for me, I'll succeed in that room.
But if the room was not meant for me, I
won't even get in there, or if I get in
there by my own default, it won't work out.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And that's totally fine.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
And so as I started to choose different career paths,
or I really as I started because look, I loved
journalism because there was no money. I was like, I
was like, I'm expensive, I am a high cost woman.
I like nice, I love oysters. I'm not gonna deprive
myself of oysters ever, and I was like, I need money.

(13:56):
And so when LinkedIn was building out really our community side,
I said, you know what, I like talking to people.
At the time, they were looking for someone, particularly in
the fashion and beauty space, who could work with creators
like the Tory Burchs, Rebecca Meekoffs of the world. So
I was like, bet okay, cool, I'll come over. But
over time, over these past few years, I realized the

(14:16):
more you show up authentically in these rooms, the more
other people can start to identify your gifts and talents,
and then they can start to build things for you
that you don't even see for yourself.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I never in.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
A million years would have thought I would have had
a podcast with LinkedIn.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Never, But you know who was it?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Somebody says, like, you know, luck is when opportunity needs preparation,
And I was always preparing.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
One thing about me, I'm always in the wings preparing.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I always stay ready so I don't have to get ready,
and so then when the opportunity presented itself, it allowed
me to then step up to the plate.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I think, like for me, one thing I.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Always encourage creators of all industries, but particularly our black creators.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Stay ready.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
A lot of people are sitting around twiddling their thumbs
looking at what everybody else is doing. You need to
be preparing, you need to be scripting, you need to
be writing, you need to be testing out video. All right, cool?
You just want to I don't know you just went
to Afrotech, because I just came back from afrotech.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
It was lit.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
You know, you just went to afrotech and you saw
all these panels up there about people talking about AI innovation.
What are you doing now to educate yourself on AI
and innovation? What are you doing right now to test
out the new formats of video and storytelling? How are
you trying to tap into your audience down? It doesn't
have to be perfect and tech. We talk about a
minimal viable product. Put up the basic version of it,

(15:34):
perfect it later. And so I know that that was
a super long answer, but I get so passionate about
it because so many of the things that I have
brought into my life have just been because I've just
decided to be me. And particularly for let's talk offline,
as Gian and I have crafted out these different episodes,
everything from navigating you know, your first big boy, big

(15:57):
girl job, managing a toxic manager, building work friendships like
do you even need to make friends at work?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
These are real conversations and at no point do we
ever shy away from the truth. I'm not here to
tell you what you want to hear. I'm here to
tell you what I've learned through experience and what I
think you need to hear that you can then take
away and apply to your life. And so I just
genuinely say, when you walk in your purpose and when
you walk in your calling and you walk in the

(16:25):
idea that you are dope, everything else falls into place.
The opportunities fall because the universe can't do anything but
respect the fact that you're standing on business.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
You're standing on business by being yourself.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, you know, like they say, you know, be yourself.
Everybody else is taken.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Period, and it's expensive to be everybody else.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think we're in a space right now. All I'm
not even think I know it because I've experienced in
myself to where when you put out certain stuff in
the world, you kind of create a POV a representation
of you through the content that you create and the
things you work on. People start to get an idea,
and what happens is you never know who's got a
problem that your specific skill set can kind of solve. Right, So,

(17:12):
now all of a sudden you have people reaching out
to you and looking for certain kind of things. You Know,
what I wondered is when you had that moment and
that kind of viral moment, that first video and even
the stuff you've worked on now, like, what were some
of the opportunities to start to exist or started to
come to manifest that you didn't even expect based on
just some content that you put out that you get
like reached out to you by certain people or new opportunities, Like,

(17:32):
what were some of the benefits of that so people
can kind of understand were some of the benefits of
creating and controlling your own destiny by creating your own
content and putting your own stuff out there.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I love that question because, like you sort of introed
me in the beginning, I'm also an actor. I previously
was musical theater and theater, and then after the strikes
of twenty three I really said I want to get
into film and television. There's a unique opportunity to tell
stories through this medium. And I started training, but I

(18:01):
kept getting in my head a lot. I was like, Okay,
what content do you even put out here?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Like, and anyone who's an actor, you're gonna understand this
part because it's like you're waiting for someone to book
you for the project so that you can have the
clips to build your demo reel. Yeah, but if nobody's
booking you, you don't have your demo reel. We're in
a new market, we are in a new job market.
This is something we talk about at LinkedIn all the time.
You have to get very innovative and creative with how
you get your stuff out to your audience. So you

(18:28):
get a lot of actors nowadays, they're creating their own shorts.
They're stepping into being a director, they're stepping into being
a scriptwriter, they're getting into writers rooms.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
And what I started.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Testing out, and I tested this out through LinkedIn at first,
was well, what happens if I do just sit down
and create a video recording you know, me doing my makeup,
but it's not about the makeup. It's about me talking
about showing up for yourself or believing in yourself or
even video best practices and tips.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
And when I tell you.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
That, the op opportunities that started to come as a
result of that where just something I hadn't even seen.
I mean, first of all, internally, I became known as
that video girl, like that girl who like creates this
type of content. And this is where I say, our
power can fall. You want a certain job in a
company and it doesn't exist. You start doing what the

(19:20):
work is of that job, and if you're good enough
at it, you can start creating your own JD. You
can start calling some shots, you can start advocating for
yourself in a way where people know you specifically for
that opportunity. Outside of the company. Casting directors started to
hit me up. They were like, we see that you
can be on camera. You know, do you have other clips?

(19:41):
And by then you know I had things from the
hosting spaces and all these other things.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Sometimes you just need to get your foot in the door.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
And one of the things that we talk about a lot,
particularly on like Let's Talk offline, is that you know,
gen z is going through their own challenges of how
they show up. A lot of them were in school
when the pandemic happened, and then now they've positioned and
maybe they their first job or two out of school,
you know, they were working from home and now some
of them are going into the office for the first time.

(20:08):
They're meeting new managers. They have to learn on the fly.
And so one of the things that like we always
are encouraging through our episodes is how do you stand
out and how do you do the thing that nobody
else wants to do?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
You know?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
And I think that that's really sort of the power
that you have, Like what is nobody else doing around you?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well do that?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Do that, because then all of a sudden, you know what,
you become indispensable. Nobody wants to let go of the
person who does good work like they do not, and
people will advocate for that.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
So I just always say, put the content out there.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
And the last thing I'll say on this it does
not matter how many views, how many likes, how many
whatever you get. Particularly when we think about video on LinkedIn.
What has been so encouraging are the notes that I
get from different creators. You know, they hop they hop
in my emails or even some of them they find
me on Instagram or whatever else because they're just so excited.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I'm like, okay, well that's fine, and they send me
notes and they're like this.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
You know, I was discouraged at first because I posted
this video and I took your tips and I only
got like five thousand views or whatever. But then a
few days later, the CEO of this company hit me up.
Or I got on the radar arm this person who
went to school with this person and now they've connected
me with this Or I got.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Booked for a speaking engagement because of this video.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
And those are the success stories that we don't talk
about a lot because everybody wants the virality moment. Everyone
wants that big moment where all of a sudden, you
became an overnight success. But anyone who knows anything about
an overnight success is an overnight success takes twenty years
to make.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
So it may not take you twenty.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Years, but it is going to require you to be
intentional and show up day after.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Day after day. Don't get caught up on the views,
don't get caught up on the likes.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Look and see who's in your comments and culture and
nurture that audience. That's something that everybody can take and
something I even have to hold myself accout before sometimes
I get real busy. You're never too busy for your audience,
not if you want to make some money, You're never
too busy.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
No, absolutely, you know. I was talking to somebody the
other week about just because they were looking for an
opportunity to kind of get into the agency space, and
what I was telling them is kind of very similar
to what you said, was that the reality is you
don't get a promotion unless you're usually doing the job already,
Like nobody you don't usually wait until you get the
promotion to start doing the job. Like if you're getting promoted,
you're doing it. Same thing when it comes to content,
like if you want the job, because this person didn't

(22:28):
have a ton of experience in the area they were
trying to get into, and it's that whole vicious cycle
of where you don't have the experience but you want
to get in. So how do you show your expertise
and just your thought Because if you're coachable and you're
trainable and people see that you have a good POV,
they can show you how to do the job. So,
like I told them, I said, look like you love
strategy for example, like go find your favorite brands and
start just creating like strategies and talking about it on

(22:49):
social media and talking about it on LinkedIn specifically, and
if you're good at it, and people can kind kind
of see like the you know, the seeds of something
better there, You'll never know who will reach out to
you and maybe give you an opportunity to get in
because you've already showed them the way that you think.
I mean, you have to understand that for a lot
of these companies, they can't take this. So take the
risk of not knowing if you're going to work out
ahead of time. Right, So by kind of doing that

(23:10):
stuff ahead of time, you're kind of showing them this
is how I think. This how I approach problem solving,
This how I proach strategy. So if I was to
come join your organization, you're already gonna seen that part.
Now you can kind of train and mold me to
kind of be more effective. Right. So that was a
piece of advice that I gave somebody. But this is
what I want to do. This is what I want
to know. Something I've always wanted to do and want
to do more of on this show is let's do
a quick live brainstorm. So I'm not based on what

(23:32):
you know about me? What should I be doing on LinkedIn?
What kind of content should I create? You know, I
run a social platform called butter Atl. I do my
butter Nomics podcast. I've worked at agency space, I've been
a technologist, Like, what are some things that I should
think about creating on LinkedIn so that I can, you know,
get that, get that big time next opportunity come into
my way.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Well, I'm so.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Happy because you knew I was going to follow up,
but you after because I was like, we have some
things to discuss. So let's see a couple of things
that I think that you already do well. Is you
already are sharing, like you know, clips from your podcasts.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I tell people all the time.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
LinkedIn doesn't have to just be a place where finance,
healthcare and tech people thrive. If you are a creative creator,
you need to be posting. We all know about showing
your receipts, and LinkedIn is a wonderful place to do
that because you can build that community with your friends,
with your church folks, with your mama and them. But
you're also going to do it with your future employer.
So I would definitely say that what you do well

(24:32):
is sharing parts of your podcast. Now where I would
love to see more is, for instance, you just take
in a camera and less branding, you know, outside of
the podcast, but you even just sitting down and like
sharing like those actionable like you know, here are three
things I wish I had known when I first started
out in a game, or like here are three things

(24:53):
that you need to be successful if you want to
do X, Y and Z, Like these are action oriented,
insightful pieces of content that people can say, Okay, I
can take this right now and I can apply it
to my life and I can better it. Obviously, you
have a team, so like even you talking about you know,
what are things that you wish you had known before

(25:13):
you started managing your team? Or you know one thing
I love to see because I always think and try
to think it headlines.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's like five things you need.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
To do before you hire an executive assistant, because everybody
thinks the first thing you do when you start making
money is building the team. You're building a team and
you have no infrastructure and you have no money.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
You have temporary money, but you need money.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
So I always say, and we've talked about this repeatedly,
like put yourself also in the shoes of the person
who is watching or reading or consuming that piece of content.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
What does your audience want to know?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
What are the questions people ask you on a day
to day basis, like how can you kind of rebuild that?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
And how can you share that? Particularly in a video format.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I definitely think that we all have an opportunity to
sort of elevate our video storytelling and such a unique way.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
And look, I get it nowadays.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
You know, I've been in the game so long with
this that I've seen all the different iterations of video creation.
There used to be where you just like shot it
on a basic camera, and then there was like that
wave where everyone had the DSLRs and then you had
to get the ring lights and the tripods and this
and that, And now we've kind of gotten back to
this whole Like your iPhone or your smart or your
smart device is enough on LinkedIn.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
That's more than enough. Like people are.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Doing so well with the bear remember minimal viable product.
It's the storytelling that matters. And what I would say
the storytelling on LinkedIn differs from other platforms is that
other platforms, Okay, you just post a dancing video. That's fine,
it's for entertainment, right. LinkedIn is different in the sense
that one where an SEO optimized website. So your post

(26:50):
copy should still be optimized that if someone was searching X,
Y and Z on Google, they could find it through LinkedIn,
but also share enough that, like, people could depend on
the post copy and not watch the video. I always say,
in a perfect world, you would have a really strong
post copy that could operate outside of the video, and

(27:10):
you would also have a very actionable video that could
operate outside of the post copy. When you marry those
two worlds together, you get this really really great piece
of content that people just kind of get to know
and love and so like that would be kind of
honestly where I would say start and then let me see,
I'm going to look right now, because I'm gonna hold
you accountable, Brandon. Some people are like thanking you and

(27:34):
saying nice things in your comments, and I don't see
you writing bad.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Didn't you talk about.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
This, We didn't talk about it. You gotta get on me.
I gotta do better with that.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yes, if someone is thanking you, then you gotta find
oh off up.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So that's that's another thing. Yes, engage in.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
The comments, engage in the comments, engage elevence the comments
are so important. I tell people, comments to me are
liquid gold for LinkedIn, and I'm gonna tell you why.
So you and I connected on LinkedIn or whatever else,
and you post a piece of content that I find
really awesome, and you know you've added a call to
action a CTA at the end of your post, you know,
being like, so what are your thinking?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know, what are your thoughts? X Y and Z.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's another thing that you can add to your posts
moving forward. I'm looking like, click the link to listen
is good, but it's not. But we want to get
people to engage in the comment. So, Okay, you've put
out this great piece of content. Whatever you've asked me,
you know, a call to action than you know, So
what do you all think about x Y and Z.
Now I'm chiming in on the comments and I'm sharing
you know how I feel about it, x Y and Z.

(28:37):
Our algorithm is now saying, Okay, Jimmai liked this piece
of content.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Who of Jamay's followers or in.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
People in her orbit and community like similar things that
she likes that now we can show Brandon's piece of
content too. So that is how if you've ever looked
in your LinkedIn profile and you're like, who is this
person who is now on my feed? That's how they're
getting there because you've, at some point or another interacted
with a piece of content that's gotten there, and then
it's gone around.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
It's like it's like the solar system.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I don't know how to explain it, but everything kind
of goes into orbit and it comes back around. So
I say all of this to say, when you post
a piece of content, engage with the comments, get people
to you know, don't be click baity, but like get
people to engage in the comments, and follow up with them,
ask them follow up questions because ultimately, outside of that
with the algorithm, what you're also doing is you're priming

(29:27):
your audience with information that and once they kind of respond,
you can use that information for future pieces of content. Nowadays,
a lot of the videos that I create personally on
LinkedIn are spurred from someone else's comment on another video,
Like someone's like, oh I love that you talked about this,
would you be able to talk about this next time?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
And I'm like, cool, bet log it in the back pocket.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
And at some point or another I get to it,
so you know, definitely see this as like as a
machine in a vehicle that you can kind of always
ask yourself, what can I be spoon feeding my audience,
But as your audience is engaging, what is your audience
asking of you that you can then create more content for?

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Okay, well, now I got another question because I not
you know what, First of all I hear and receive
the feedback. Something I do not do well is turn
the camera on myself. And I got stuff to say.
Trust me, I got like a whole little notepad of
stuff that I would make videos about and say. But
on the flip side, let's say you make a piece
of content, and especially on LinkedIn. Something I've even thought
about myself is when people disagree with your perspective or

(30:26):
to disagree with your point of view, right, and like
you don't want to feel embarrassed and they say, you know,
I don't. How do you kind of handle that situation
not to call them haters, cause again, like people would
have a difference of opinion, but in a professional setting
and somebody says, you know what I see in them tips,
but I don't think this is right? Like, how do
you kind of handle those moments and what advice you
have for people that are creating content that are experiencing
you know, that kind of engagement.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
You know, I think discourse is healthy.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I don't think you should ever want everybody to agree
with you, because if everybody agree with you, then you
luke more like you don't really stamp for nothing, you
know what I mean. That's that's kind of how I
feel about it now. Obviously, there are some opinion you
have that are really really strong, and then there are
some opinions that you're like, eh, okay whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
But like instance, before we started recording, we were talking
about football.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Teams, and I have a strong opinion about my football
team and you have one for yours.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
But under the guise of the Lord and all of
his children, we love each other, but we also understand
the difference.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Right now, I could take that and be one of
those like, oh, no, I would Brandon say you this
well a lot, But I'm also like, nah, he's sharing
his own opinion, and I can do the same. I
think what LinkedIn does really well is we provide the platform.
We have over a billion members, so more than likely
if you are creating and if you are sharing your story,
at some point or another, somebody is going to disagree

(31:41):
with you, or they're just.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Not going to see you for ie for eye.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
That's actually wonderful because if you share your own personal
idea or thought process or how you've done something and
somebody comes up and they're like, yeah, but like I've
also done it this way, well, now you've also done
an exchange of knowledge. You've learned something new, as long
as everybody.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Keeps it cute, right, and now the other people.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Who are also in that comment section or engaging with
the content is now continuously being informed. I think healthy
discourse is necessary, and honestly, when you are putting yourself
out there to be a storyteller, to be a creator,
you have to get comfortable with being misunderstood, with being
misinterpreted at times, and for people not always agreeing with you.

(32:28):
You know, I think, like, for instance, with let's talk offline,
Gianna and I are we have two very different lives,
two very different career paths, two very different entry ways
and life experiences, and there are times where what she
may say and I say, like on the surface level,
could appear like they are contrasting each other.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
But What we're really saying is your.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Viewpoint and my viewpoint are both right, and they both
actually reflect our audience and the people who are listening.
Some people, on some days, they may see more like
I'll give you an example.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
We have an episode where we talk about work.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Friendships and Gianna is very much so like, I want
to make friends at work, and I'm like, go home,
get your check, and go home. Like there are some
people who, yeah, like I've had my wedding and you
know whatever else that I'm cool with. But I've also
lived through experiences where I've seen how that can get sticky.

(33:24):
So we're not telling you you got to make friends
or you don't how to make friends. What we're saying
is you have a viewpoint. I have a viewpoint. Now
we can share it together and anyone listening can now
take that and they can kind of make their own
informed decision off of it. And I personally think when
you present information like that as a this is what's
worked for me and this is how I've seen it,
instead of this is prescriptive and this is the only

(33:45):
way you can do it. You invite more people to
the table, and honestly, when you think about the diversity
of thought. That's really what I'm encouraging people to do.
And that's why I say, as I've said repeatedly, you
being yourself is what matters here.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
You don't got a sugar coat it, you don't got
to spice it up.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Uh, you just got to be yourself and you're gonna
build the audience that you need to because people are
gonna see it and they're gonna relate to it, or
even if they don't, they can respect game. And that's it.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
All right, let me start making these videos and start
making this content before you start sliding in my email
checking me real quick, you know I will.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I'm gonna be like, hey, Brandon, so where's the video
for this week? Where's it at in the drafts?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I'm gonna start working on those. I'm gonna drop and
get ready coming soon y'all. It's gonna be all over
your feed. And one of the things you also talk
about is just the idea of like negotiation and kind
of like setting boundaries of people. You know, why is

(34:44):
it important for you know, creatives and millennials and gen
z to like you know, who like really have challenges
advocating for themselves. Why is it important to kind of
speak up in those in those professional situations.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Man, Negotiating is one of my favorite topics.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
But if you would ask me five years ago, I
would have literally just like started having like heart palpitations.
We have an episode actually when we talk about negotiating
and the reason why it's so important for us to
talk about it, And I say this in the episode,
people will try to play you.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
There's no other way for me to say it.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
If you get people an inch, they will take forty miles,
they will run.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
They will just keep going.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
And as much as you could like look at it
and be like, yo, why would you do me like that?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Why is this?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
You didn't set boundaries? Boom, You didn't set the boundaries.
You didn't figure out okay, where is my line? And
I tell people all the time, negotiating doesn't just start
or stop at the nine to five. You have to
figure out ways to negotiate everything in your life. And
if you struggle with that, starting with small things can

(35:51):
help too. Like, for instance, I negotiate what I want
for dinner. You want one thing, well, I might maybe
I want something else. Let's figure out how do we
comp from us right, or you know I have I
have an assignment.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
You know, I have a project do this day, but
I can't because I have X, Y and Z.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Also, let me sig fix, sit down with my manager
and figure out, Okay, how can we reprioritize or negotiate
maybe a new deadline. And I think a lot of
people get nervous because one maybe there the fear of
rejection is there, like you're afraid, like, oh, if I
ask for what I want, people gonna say no. Well
they were gonna say no if you didn't ask anyway,
So yeah, you don't have anything to lose, you might

(36:29):
as well ask.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
You know what I mean? And I and that has
only come from being an entrepreneur.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
This is why I think so many more creatives should
work corporate jobs. I understand the whole. I want to
be an artist and I want to be celebrated from
my work. Well, we have bills, if we have bills
to pay. And one thing I have learned is that
these corporate corporations want creatives.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
They want our minds, they want us to come in.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
But it was by being an entrepreneur, being that young
blogger or host or media personality who had to figure
out how do I negotiate my own contract because I
don't even have money to.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Hire a lawyer. I had to learn all of that
on my own.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
And this was before the chat GPTs were out there,
so you really were deep there.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, you were asking your friends or personally, like how
much would you do this whatever? Try to figure out,
you know, tally it up in your head like a calculator.
And I'm so thankful for that time because it's made
me so bullish now about making sure I'm good.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
You make sure you're good.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's not selfish because when you are good and whatever
good means for you, whether that is financially, emotionally, spiritually, psychologically, whatever,
then you can.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Show up and do your best work. But you can't
do that until you know you're good.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
And when it comes to negotiating and boundaries, it's just
a conversation. It's just a conversation that we're having. And
like I said, I the people are gonna agree and
then they're gonna give it to you or they're not.
And then at that point, now you have the leverage
to decide do I walk away or do I say
And I just think we need to get more comfortable

(38:11):
with advocating for ourselves because again, what do you have
to lose?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
And I always and I love this a lot because
particularly when.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
You think about, you know, when you get that first
job offer or any job offer, people don't want to
push back because they like, they gonna take the offer.
And I've said this in the episode that we talk
about for negotiating, If you're that girl, they're not gonna
take the offer away, like for real, for real, like
if you really, if you really are that, if you
are the person who you say you are and who

(38:40):
you think you are, like, they're not going to take
the offway. Now, if you go ask and ask for
like you know, Oprah level money on a job that's
gonna cap the like ninety five bands, Like okay, that's different.
But if you really can back up what you're saying
and you can kind of show why you're asking for,
what you're what you're asking for, if you can show
your experience, if you can show, as we talked about earlier,
transferable skills that you have amassed over your jobs, you

(39:04):
build a.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Case for yourself. And let me tell you, even when
I have.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Gotten rejected from brand deals or from opportunities or jobs.
I still go to bed well at night knowing that
at least I showed up for myself.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
All you have in this world is yourself and your word.
You got to show up for yourself.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
No, one hundred percent. I mean, you know, I think
people will vary a lot of times, hesitant to negotiate
or pushback or ask questions. And I tell folks, one,
you're not taking any money out the hiring manager's pocket,
like they don't get to keep the money that they
didn't offer you. And a lot of these times these
companies have pay bands. But like you know, I've had
a role before. I literally negotiated my offer for almost
a month. I mean at a certain level, at a

(39:44):
certain level, when you start getting certain levels of job
offers and you start getting like employment contracts, and it's like, oh,
I need my attorney to review this, and all of
a sudden, by the time your attorney looks at it,
and then their attorney looks at it, like a month is
gone by, and guess what, the job didn't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
It's not gone.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
But I was so happy that I went through that
process because now when I land, when y'all got into
the same place, got same same and everybody was happy.
I got what I wanted, They got what they wanted.
It's all written in stone, and I'm like cool, you know,
versus the alternative, which could have been, oh man, I'm
so happy here you go signed it, and now all
of a sudden, I'm you know, giving things away or
leaving things in right, So you have to be comfortable
with kind of you know, being able to have those

(40:20):
convers Now. You can't do it all the time. I
got to be honest now, like you say, you can't
do with everything. But I've just learned that there are
certain roles where it's just kind of an expectation at
a certain level that you know what, I need somebody
else to look at this, and there's gonna be a
little more more conversation around what's all quite required in here,
because there's a lot of other considerations at certain levels,
you know.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, And I.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Think sometimes where we make the mistake is we're just
so thankful to be in there.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
You're just happy to be here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
And I've said this before.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
This is an exchange of goods and services, Like let's
keep it a stack, Like can you love your job?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Can you feel fulfilled with the work you do? Yes,
But at the end of the day you stop performing.
All that love, family stuff go right out the window
and you about to be over there likes it's not personal,
and I think, like we got to take the personal
out of it, like this is not personal, like you said,
like that, you're not taking money away from somebody else.

(41:13):
And I have learned the first job I got where
like I was pushing like money. I was like, oh wow,
I was so starstruck by the number I didn't even negotiate.
Now afterward, I was like, Okay, cool, you know that's
fine because the number was still I think the number
was still like thirty thousand dollars more than what I
was going to even ask for. So I was like, oh,
I'm good. I get into the role. And the guy

(41:37):
who does the exact same job as me, who starts
the same day as me, I find out later on
he's making like twenty thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
More than I am.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And I was like, see, you were sitting here and
you were so excited to be in the room and
you didn't want to shake the table that you didn't
advocate for yourself, and what you've now done, is you
set yourself up that as long as you stay at
this company, you're always going to be a certain perce
percentage behind him. And he wasn't black, so you know,
he probably just said the number and he just sat

(42:06):
with the stillness. We got to get comfortable in the silence.
Ask for what you want and be still. Don't try
to do the whole no, no, Say what you need
to say and be quiet. Go sip some water or something.
Let them ruminate on it.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
And here's a fun fact people that don't know. Yeah,
your entry salary sets the baseline pretty much for everything
else is going to happen for you at that company.
So again, if you come in at a number, just
to be totally honest, even when you get promoted or
you know, reviews come around, there's just there's only so
much you can jump if you're at a certain level, right,
So you might as well do the work to try
to come in around the number that you want to

(42:40):
come in with, because so many other things are dictated
based on that. Down the road that you don't want
to sit here and be mad like I left money
on the table. Especially you start to find out more
about the company in the organization. So you got to
be able to speak up for yourself in those situations,
you know. Now, another question I had is just you know,
you've built your own brand, You've built the blonde misfit,
you do all these different things right, but like, how
do you maintain authenticity, especially in spaces that weren't necessarily

(43:02):
designed for you know, people to look like us?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Mmm?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
You know, most of this world was not designed for
us to succeed. It's sad, but it's true.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I think a lot about America and the state of America,
and I was like, America was not built for black
people to succeed, at least not from our origin and
how we got here. And when I think about that
and I reflect on that, I think to myself, I
have a due diligence to show people that your dream
life is a life worth fighting for. Like we could
sit down and we could chop it up one day.

(43:37):
But a girl like me, who comes from where I
come from, who has seen and experienced the things that
I've seen and experienced in my life, shouldn't be in
New York.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
She shouldn't be in tech like I shouldn't even probably
even be here. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
And I have always dedicated that as long as I
have breath in my body, I am going to show
people that you do good work. You'd be good to people,
and you not just your heart and your passion, but
you follow what you believe you are put here on
this earth to do. You not only free yourself from
whatever shackles others want to put on you, but you

(44:12):
help free others too. Like, some of the most rewarding
things I ever get are those messages from people, particularly
like you know, younger black women or even men who
come to me and be like, I, you know, I
didn't know how to do this, but then I saw
a video of yours, or I listened to the podcast,
and you know, I've never thought that, like I could
talk so freely about this. Or you know, there are

(44:34):
young women who come up to me in the office.
Now mind you, I'd be having my big headphones on
because like I really be spaced out my own world,
but they come to me and they're like, oh, I
just saw you presented at this big company event, and
like I just never thought I would see like a
curvy black girl with like long nails and lashes, like
holding space like that, and that's what that's what I

(44:54):
do it for. Like when you have such a front
facing job, a lot of people start to see you,
but they don't understand that when I don't do what
I'm supposed to do on this earth, I don't jeopardize
just me. I jeopardize everyone who God has assigned to me.
And I take that assignment very seriously. And the good

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thing about it is whatever you feel like your appointed
assignment is, you can do that through so many different mediums.
And so for me as a storyteller, I can do
that through community management. I can do that through being
having a podcast. I can do that through writing. I
can do that through acting. And so I always say,
whenever I leave this earth, which will.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Be long, long, long, long long for now, I don't want.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
To leave this earth with any of my gifts. I
want to have emptied out the bag and shaken it
and gotten down.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
To the end.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I want to have poured it all out, and I
wanted to have blessed other people along the way and
have equipped other people. You know, I think it's pac
who said, like, I may not change the world, but
I'm going to inspire the person.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Who will Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
And I think if we all kind of take that
universal idea that we all have a voice and we
all can share something that can impact other people, I
think the world can kind of continue to evolve in
a place that does create space for us unless we
certainly not least I'm always just gonna be black and
black like at this point, like you know, I can't

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really walk into rooms branded and people be like, Oh,
I wonder what is she? I think you're gonna see
quickly that this is a black girl. And I want
us to celebrate that. I want us to celebrate our blackness.
I want us to celebrate these spaces that we build
for ourselves. I want us to support our black owned businesses.
I want us to support our black creatives and our

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black tech professionals. And everything about us that has made
us socially resilient people is worth telling. And the only
way we tell that is by showing up for each
other and building that community, not seeing ourselves as competition,
seeing ourselves.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
As collaborators and as community, and understanding.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
When you win, I win, When Brandon wins, Jamay wins
just by proxy of I'm just happy to see a
black man Win, you know what I mean. And so
I think like we have to kind of continuously show
up not just for ourselves and understanding our appointed gifts
and how we can give that out to the world,
but then how do we take those gifts and how
do we help other people in the process.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
No, absolutely, Jamay, look learned a lot. I'm definitely gonna
start cranking up my LinkedIn content and getting my stuff
together because I don't want you coming for me, you know,
So I'm gonna start working on that. But before we
get out of here, one last question for you. If
there was a Jamai Jackson billboard, we can put it
in DC, you know what I'm saying. We can put
it wherever you want to put it, put it in
Times Square, wherever you want to put it at. But

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if there was a jama Jackson billboard, what would it say?
What piece of advice, what lesson? What would you put
on that billboard for the world to see.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Oh that's a really good question, because you know what,
I actually have it down. I'm manifesting up billboard one day.
So look, it's twice now. I wrote it down, I
prayed about it, and now you bringing it up Okay,
all right, right.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I definitely think that the billboard would say, uh, sort
of what I've I've always deemed my tagline to be,
which is your dream life as a life worth fighting for?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
And it is.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
It doesn't matter if you've never seen anybody in your
family do it. It doesn't matter if you don't know
anyone who's doing it. In many ways, I don't know
a lot of people who are doing exactly what I do.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
And that's okay.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Get over the fear, build the community, put one foot
in front of the other, because you're going to figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Like you're going to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
You have to have that unshakable, unwavering faith in yourself
that you can do this. And when you understand that
whatever it is that you want in this life you
deserve as long as you're willing to work for it,
it's yours.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
I love it. I love it well, Jamy. Before we
get out of here, please, how can people connect with you?
Find you, support you all that good stuff?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, y'all, don't be shy.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I am at the blonde misfit across all social media
on linked In, I'm Jamay Jackson Gadsden that is j
A M E J A C K S O N
G A D S D E N. Don't worry, y'all,
Brandon and and the team gonna make sure y'all get
all that because I know that's a lot. And then
definitely make sure you check our podcast out. It's called
Let's Talk Offline for Gihon and I talk every week

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to jen Z and early career professionals and you know,
come by swing by. We don't bite. I do get spicy,
but I don't fight, I promise.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Well, yea, this has been an amazing conversation. Thank you
so much for pulling up on the pod. I hope
everybody's learned some good stuff. I know I've learned a
ton about how I can get more active on LinkedIn
and get our stuff out there. And again, Jamaye, thanks
for all the work that's doing on the LinkedIn side
and everything else you're working on. And uh that's the pod, y'all.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
We out appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
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