June 24, 2025 ⢠52 mins
On this episode of Butternomics, our host, Brandon Butler, talks with marketing strategist and speaker Mr. Daniel Dickey about how to turn your lived experience into a revenue-generating engine. Mr. Daniel Dickey shares how his love of culture, service, and storytelling evolved into a business and why you don’t need a gimmick if your strategy is strong.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
People are not authentically pursuing greatness. People would rather call
themselves the great, put it on the end or put
a goat, hashtag or something on, you know, in their bio,
and they'll still want you to treat them like they
earned that. If the receipts aren't there, then they aren't.
It doesn't matter how dope they feel like they are
at this point, you know, like it's faithful without work
is dead, and so is the work. Saying that you're
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to go in any shape, form or fashion. Are you
to go even of your neighborhood, Are you to go
to your family? Are you to vote of whatever town?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And you're not.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Here, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Butter. I'm your host,
Brandon Butler, founder CEO of Butter atl And today we've
got the one the only mister gotta say the mister
gott gotta add that part. So this mister Daniel Dickey,
how you doing, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm a grateful soul king. How about you? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
You know what falsity better? I'd be you, bro, I
love that for us. No man, I'm good man, I'm
good man. I'm glad were getting a chance to get
you up and We don't often have you know the
Renaissance Man or anybody renaissance. You know, nobody. I don't
know anybody else's renaissance anything. So you know what I'm saying.
We don't have the Renaissance man in there often. So
I appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm grateful to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So look, man, we've been doing something a little bit
different here. Okay, Like normally I tell you, I ask
people to say you no, not everybody knows who you are.
And we'll get to that point. Just we'll get to
that point in just a second. But we've been doing
is I asked chat Gpt who you were? Oh, yes,
I asked chat Chept. I said, chat Chept, who is
mister Daniel Dickey in Atlanta, Georgia. That's all I asked it.
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So I'm gonna read you what chat Chept said. Okay,
all right, let's go right. And what I want you
to tell me is did leave anything out?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Anything you want to add? We don't see how close
this is? Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Mister Daniel Dickey, often referred to as the Renaissance Man,
as a prominent figure in Atlanta, Georgia. He is the
founder and lead strategist at the Resource Guild, an award
winning three sixty brand management, strategy and consulting company. Through
his agency, Daniel has collaborated with major brands such as Ferrari, Maserati, Lincoln, Moway, Hennessy,
the NBA, the NFL, Millericours, and Disney. Additionally, he has
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worked alongside some notable figures including Mary Mary Lebron, James
and Maury Stodemeyer, Ti Young, jz Usher and Moore. Beyond
his professional endeavors, Daniel is recognized for his community involvement
and activism. He describes himself as a humanity activist and
a lovable street servant leader, emphasizing his commitment to positive
social impact. His multifacetedalents also include singing and songwriting, reflecting
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his passion for the arts. Daniel's influence in Atlanta has
earned him the nicknames such as the Governor of Atlanta,
the Heartbeat of Atlanta, and highlighting his authentic and gracious
engagement across diverse communities. His dedication to both professional excellence
and community service underscores his significant role in the cultural
and business of the city landscape of Atlanta. So you
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tell me that's what shat GVT said about you.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It sounds like you're mildly verse.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Now filling who is mister Daniel Dickey the renaissance man.
But we got a little bit from there, right we go,
hear from the source himself.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, Well, I first of all just appreciate chat GPT
being so tapped in.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I think beyond that, I think that I am really
just a person who figured out how to get paid
to be himself and really what it meant to balance
my energies and it puts me in a space where
really opportunities really flow to me in lots of different
industries and in lots of different things that I do
with my time and space and life, you know, outside
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of the things that chat GPT you know, covered, I
specifically mentorial you black men through the Barack Obama Foundation
and the Fulton Kind of Youth Commissioned. I'm the chairman
of the Young Professional of Osory Board for jose Fied
the Hungary and Homeless. I am a legacy kid. I
am named after my two grandfathers, and so my dad's
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dad was one of the very first black doctors in Wilmington,
North Carolina. He was the co plaintiff in the civil
rights litigation that integrated the hospitals in Wilmington, North Carolina.
He was a co plaintiff in the civil rights litigation
that integrated the school system in Wilmington, North Carolina. He
was one of the black doctors who funded out THEA.
Gibson's tennis career. And then it was also my doctor.
So on my birth certificate, I see Daniel for me,
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and then I also see Daniel for my doctor who
was my grandfather, and so that was my dad's dad,
so I got Daniel from him. And then my middle
name comes from my mom's dad, who was the second
longest tenured reverend in the entire history of the first
Missionary Baptist Church. At the point that he died, he
had been preaching for over eighty years. He's honorary doctorates,
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letters from several presidents. He won the highest honor you
can win as a civilian in the state of North Carolina.
And so really what I am is really a person
who really stands on the legacy of two black men
who have both had their names on buildings. So as
extraordinary as I may or may not be to anyone.
It won't be anything to me until my name is
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on a building, because that's the mark for my family.
And I do believe every generation is supposed to go
higher and further than the last. I am a basketball
player and lover. I'm a tennis player and lover, a
soccer player and lover.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm a lady fan and lover, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And I'm just outside with the vibes and just in
all the ways and on all of the days.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's that's who I am.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Look, man, I had no idea about the deep history
of the family and kind of you know, where you
come from. Like what was it like just growing up
around you know, so many influential, amazing people that were
also you know, directly in your family like that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Something that really it was. It was really always just
like a teaching a lesson that was always being learned,
because one of the lessons that I learned very early
on was about faith and the value of your name,
because you know, as a youngster, when people would know
who my father was, who my grandfather was, my mom,
my dad, there was always another level of respect that
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then would be at it, like, oh, you glance them.
Oh and then and now it's like, oh, well, let me.
And so it really taught me the value of your
name and how important it is to what that means,
to the legacy of not just you, but to your
family as a collective. So I'm from a family of singers, preachers,
civil rights activists, doctors, and so really excellent education. All
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those things were absolutely ingrained into us. I'm from North Carolina,
but I don't speak with any type of Southern.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Draw mall y'all, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And so because my parents actually met in college and
so it was that too. So it was really just
it was cool, like, you know, we did all the things.
I sang in a choir, I played on the teams
and all those things, and you know, I still found
a way to figure out how to be this person
that I am in the midst of all the things
that are going on in my family.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Absolutely what brought you to Atlanta for the first time?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
My first time coming to Atlanta, well, my first time
coming My first time coming to Alanta was as a kid. Yeah,
So we took my parents, we took a family trip
down to Atlanta. This was back when apparently it was
cool for us to wear those those T shirt hoodies
that you know, I had the little weed sign and
all kinds of stuff on them. Apparently those worked for Yes.
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And so I still remember my first trip to Atlanta
as a youngster because we went to the Underground and
it was the first time I seen dudes with fingerwaves
in there, and I was like, hey, well this is
the start a guy that girls wear and it was this.
So that was but that was our first time as
a kid to Atlanta. My first time as as a
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young adult was I came down here for an internship
during undergrad at a PR front called Images USA. So yeah,
so I came down for internship at Images. One of
my homeboys is DJ shot Kim. Shout out to DJ
shot Kim, And at that point he was a DJ
for bow Wow and all kinds of people and now
he's the official DJ for New Edition and he's lit dope,
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and so I had boots on the ground. I was plugged,
and I came when I came from the internship. And
then I officially moved to Atlanta in two thousand and seven. Okay,
and I really moved here because I just needed more
latitude and longitude. You know, being growing up, you know,
in a smaller city where your family has, you know,
some prominence and all that kind of stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It puts the ceiling too close.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And I knew I needed a bit more latitude and
longitude to be all that I am.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, and you know in between two thousand and seven
and when did you start the Resource Guild?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Twenty thirteen?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Okay, so between two thousand, we'll get into the Resource Guild.
What sure, But like between two thousand and seven and too, Like,
what were you work? What were you doing then?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I was doing some financial counseling at a nonprofit here
called Caris Community Housing through the FCS umbrella, and I
was working at the Garner Circle. Was my friend, Yes, exactly,
definitely shout out to doctor doctor Nicolet.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Please doctor Nicole Garner Scott. H Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And so I, me and one of my great friends,
Tierre Brooks, we went to Uh we met some girls
at Slice.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You remember Slices, guys, So we met some girls at Slice.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They invited us to this party and uh we got
to this party and had to I had to soft.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Skillfulness, you know, security to get in.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And it just ended up being most of the littlest
people in Atlanta at that time. I'm talking about everyone
from Andre three thousand to Big Boy to Chingy Ludicrous, Monica,
Bobby Valentino, Jazzy Fade, Shaka Zulu, Keena Johnson, all the
record label execs, the media, and there were just all
this one event. And so I'm a person who walks
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in an ancestral favor, if I'm being honest, So I
understand that I didn't earn all the favor that I
walk in, but because we were in that room and
it's still today, and I produced some of the flyers
events in the city, but that was one of the
I can count on my hand. I'm a times I've
been to an event where the absolute bar was open, okay,
and you know, of course, you know, I mean, we
did an event last night shout out to Remy. It
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was you know, complimentary Remy, not anything you see on
the bar. And so we were at this event, Bro,
and it was probably about fifty sixty people, but they
were all the ones from local government at that point
and all that, and so I networked the shit out
of that room.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I left that room with probably thirty contacts, but they
just happened to be really really the people who really
moved the city forward, and at this point now they've
been great friends for that long. I worked at the
Garner Circle, where I was the sports and Lifestyle director
and then I ended up rising to being the executive
vice president of the Garner Circle at the point where
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they became one of the top five black owned PR
funds in the country. Yeah, and so yeah, I did
that for that was my first industry job here in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, I forge, you know, I think that's where I
first met you at now that I think back about it,
like because again I've gone back with doctor Nicole Garner
for a long time back, and I remember when y'all
had to spot down there on on a Auburn Avenue.
But yeah, I think that's when we first kind of
connected just in general, you know what I mean. But
we've known each other for a long time too, and
so now, man, see that's why I look, that's why
y'all got to be good of people in Atlanta, you
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know what I mean, Like, you never know who's gonna
end up where, you never know who's gonna be around,
and again, it's the people you need all of a
sudden a couple of years later, you know, they out
here running everything like you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So one of the things you said, I want to
kind of go back into. You said, you know, you
figured out how to get paid to be yourself. Like
that's a very powerful statement within itself, Like what does
that actually mean to you?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Though?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, I think honestly, like I figured out really who
I was honestly at twelve. Okay, Yeah, at twelve years old,
I was making lots of decisions about what I was
up to, what I was interested in, what I wasn't
interested in, what I liked, what I didn't like, and
then what I was willing to do to express those
things to you know, in life and also to people.
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And so at twelve I started my first business. And honestly,
what I did at twelve i'm still doing now, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And so at.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Twelve, I started a law care business in my neighborhood.
I was using my dad's lawmowarer, and I would go
out and secure, you know, the deals to cut the yards.
And honestly, I had like a fifty five year old
white man who was actually my employee cutting the grass
for me. At twelve and he was a winowy kind
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of guy. You know, something I watched my dad do exactly,
and so I would negotiate the deals.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I had the lawnmower.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I would get the gas and he would actually like
cut the grass and I would. I made, you know,
sixty percent of the money from that as a twelve
year old, you know. And so you know, going in
identifying the needs, uh, securing the deal, and then working
through my own abilities and staff abilities, and then the
abilities of all these amazing people in this city and
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then all over the country. And that's literally what I'm
still doing now, you know what I mean. And so
there is that at twelve, you know, I was playing
baseball and basketball and soccer. You know, I was a artist,
a visual artist that was featured at the state level
in my in North Carolina, and all those things I
was doing at twelve.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You know. I always say that, you know, people that
kind of have clarity about what they want to do
early are some of the luckiest people because you get
to spend more time doing it. And that's something even
with my kids, I kind of try to push them.
It's like, you know, look, I'm all about exploration and
figuring and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Everybody's path is different, but I do believe that again,
the people that figure out or know what they want
to do or know the direction they want to go
in at an early age or just there's lucky because
you literally get to spend your entire life like focusing
on that thing, and that's where real mastery comes in at.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, definitely. And so for me in that same space,
I was, you know, the Sultan of mischief. I was
a mischievous kid.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Definitely. I'm the Sultan. Yeah, Sultan obviously, you know, and so, yeah,
Sultan of Mischief.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I was definitely the kid who was doing my work
faster than everyone else in class and then throwing spitballs
at home and had all that kind of stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I was getting suspended from.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
School for disrupting the class and all those different kinds
of things.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I was doing all those things at that time.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But what I realized is I look back now, is
my teachers would tell my parents and my friends' parents.
That's with my friends parents, They're like, listen, your kid
is really not the problem in class. It's really this
kid named Daniel Dickey. But Daniel has an a in
the class you know what I mean. I was definitely
that kid. I've always been a person who people are
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attracted to my energy, you know what I mean. Like
people just feel really comfortable around me, they feel powerful
around me, and that's been a thing too, and so
really that's really something I've just been able to really
figure out how to monetize, honestly, like connectivity, the ability
to you know, connect dots, the ability to move things forward,
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and the ability to really see things toggling between my
left brain and my right brain.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, well, you know, let's talk about this like when
it comes to modernization. You know, I think a lot
of people again, they kind of struggle to figure out
like where the value is, Like how did you start
learning and how did you kind of figure out especially
with the resource guilds you're going to get into that
like to actually.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Because look you got to eat. Yeah, you know, definitely
Georgia power, don't take lights.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Social media, you know, like, how do you think about actually,
you know, putting a dollar figure on the values and
the services that you create and provide for people.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, I think working in PR was really working you know,
working at the Gunar Circle was really like it was
really like a teaching module for me on just the
needs of people, you know, especially like in these industries,
and so working in PR, you of course you really
kind of put the light on and keep the lights
on your clients and keep the lights on whatever their
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endeavors are. But when I started a resource Guild, it
was I felt stifled and I felt confined by being
considered a publicist. And so I just felt like, just
as this person who is apparently one of the most
diversely accomplished black men in the world, I felt like
being called a publicist was just such a minute piece
of who I actually am. And so when I started
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the resource guilled as one of the one of it's
one of the only three hundred and sixty degree brand
management and strategy consulting agencies, it was understanding that people
have more needs than like being on them, you know
what I mean. Like, so instead of creating a press
conference for you, let's paint this place, you know what
I mean, Like, let's actually get this ratchet girl from
your front desk. Let's redo your website, let's redo your logo,
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let's reformat your packaging. Let's do things that don't have
anything to do with PR. So then when it is
time to execute the PR deliverable, you're in a better
space as a company from the way you look feel
execute And so really that's kind of how you know,
that kind of happened. Like I'm just a person who
at this point, I have twenty two thousand contacts my phone.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
That's just stressed crazy. Yeah, and I got twenty two
thousand hundred emails, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Have to do yes, and so I have twenty two
thousand contacts on my phone. So there's literally nothing under
the sun that I can't call someone to get figured out.
And so just that's immensely valuable, you know, to huge
brands and the small businesses.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What advice would you give the people that because one
thing's interesting about it. You know, Atlanta and a lot
of you know, black owned businesses, a lot of times
they are service based in my experience, and people again
they do their versions of agencies or again whether it's
PR creative, but like again, when it comes to actually
figuring out like the quote unquote formula, like you got it, Like,
how do you how do you approach actually having the
money conversation with people?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, first for me, like just I guess like my
like intake components first started off with me sending over
I overviewed my agency and my bio cause that's important
for them to know who I am, because I never
want to be in a situation where we're on a
call or anything. And I of course have a lot
of energy. I'm very much, I'm bold, I'm fearless. I
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say what I mean I mean when I say I'm
quick and clean, and so I never needed to be
who does this guy think he is? So let's go
out and get past to who does this god think
he is? So we can get to what's going on.
And so I won't even meet with you if you
haven't went through that. So you do that, you do
a new client questionnaire, and then we set up a call,
and on that call, it's essentially a brand development consultation
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because all I speak is drip sauce growth. So it's like,
you know, even on that call, we you know, we're
going to talk about how things that you can do
to will assess your aid, your businesses, digital footprint, your products,
what you have going on, and then we'll talk about
things that you can do to get to be more popping'
and so you can do those things yourself, or you
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can pay us to execute those things. But that's how
you leave that. And then if we decide that, you know,
both decide that there's interest in working together, because I don't.
I'm not a person who has a don't. I don't
really operate from a financial model in general. Like I
get paid to be me, so that's all I ever
have to be. And so I'm not one of those
people who's money driven in any really shape form of fashion.
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I'm a minimalist. I keep things very simple. But if
we decide that we want to actually explore what it
might mean to work together from our retainer space, then
I'll send over a proposal and it's got the prices
in it. And if the word thousand in some shape
form or fashion wasn't involved, then there's no way we
were involved, like unless you are like a pro bono
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like I do. Like, so one one of our agencies
pro bono partners right now to Clayton County Magnet Schools
and school System. And then one of our other nonprofit
pro pro bono type clients is the be Aware Foundation
and Affirmations across Atlanta. So I have a couple of
clients that we you know, work through that space. But
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for everybody else is again bow wow wow energy.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
As a business owner and entrepreneur, I mean again, run
the Resource Guild, all the other things you do, and
obviously it takes a lot of balance. Like what are
some of the biggest just lessons you've learned about actually
running a business? You know now that you actually own
your own thing again, we know you get paid to
be yourself right, Also, do have a company I really
work for you? Like, just as from that and standpoint, like,
what are some of the biggest lessons that you've learned
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from a business ownership standpoint?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Well, I think a couple of lessons for me are
One is I think it's honestly easier nowadays in the
agency space to work with independent contract there's more than
full time employees. You know, it just works better with this.
Everyone wants to be their own boss. Energy that people
bring in the first place. So it's like, okay, you
want to be your own boss. You are However, you
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know what I mean? Like, however, if you're working with
the Resource Guild, this is our client and so now
you have two clients because you have the resource guild
as your client and then whoever whatever the account is
that I brought you into work on. So that's definitely
one because you know, again it's just you know, you
want to be your own boss. And I think it
that is that space is very problematic, I think in
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our culture specifically because all these solopreneurs and you know,
gig preneurs and stuff like that, and I think your
business isn't really viably contributing to our culture if you're
not employing people. Yeah, you know, in some shape form
or fashion, I learned that. You know, at this point,
we're probably in a very We're in one of the
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most selfish times in the world. So having employees is
also you know, something that goes up and down as
how much you like it or not. Like I'm appreciating
how chet, GBT and those mechanisms are helping not have
to go back and forth with these ziggis, you know
what I mean, Because it's like, you know, people are
really you know, I think we're in the most selfish
time in the world. And I think we're also on
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a time where people aren't really committed to anything. They
aren't committed to their families, they aren't committed to their dreams,
their destinies. They're perfect, you know. Actually nowadays people would
rather people call themselves the great, put it on the end,
or put a goat hashtag or something on, you know,
in their bio, and they'll still want you to treat
them like they earn that, you know what I mean.
And so another thing that I learned is that if
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the receipts aren't there, then they aren't and it doesn't
matter how dope they feel like they are at this point,
you know, like it's faith without work is dead, you
know what I mean, And so is the work saying
that you're to go in any shape form or vession.
Are you to go even of your neighborhood, are you
to go to your family? Are you to vote of
whatever town? And you're not, you know what I mean.
So I've learned that people are not that dope, you
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know what I mean. I learned that follow up is
absolutely a missing piece for a lot of people that
follow through.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's like, yeah, you can get a shot up, but
did you flick your wrists? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And the risks aren't getting flicked, and it's just a
lot of mediocrity masquerading as masters at this point to
learn that. I learned that it's really important to keep
your expenses very low as an entrepreneur, just in general,
like you know what I mean, because you just never
know what this month is going to look like, you
know what I mean, Like I have a month where
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I'm where our agency may bring in fifteen thousand, but
then I might have a month where our agency might
make two thousand, you know what I mean, And you
still got to manage the eb and flow of that
and make sure that the people that you know, you
promised to pay, you know, get paid. I learned that,
really there's a part of it for me because my
agency is set up really interestingly be because we don't
do any solicitation of business, like we don't do RFPs,
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we don't do advertising. And so I learned that you
could have a sustainable business in that way if you
are tapped into who you actually are and your frequency
and how your vibrations and incite your blessings to be
attracted to you. I learned that as well, because I
could as a consultant. I would never tell someone to
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do business the way I do, you know what I mean,
Like you know, if you build it, they will come.
No necessarily, you know, no, very much, not necessarily. But
you know again that's you know, I live in a
very different frequency from most humans, you know, and I
do understand that, and that's why when people ask me
how I'm doing, I will usually speak to me being
grateful at the top of that conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Atlanta is a very interesting place specifically, I mean, even
when you talk about just the way that people approach things,
I was actually I say this a lot to people.
I think that, you know, Atlanta has such a entrepreneurial
and hustle.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Culture, which I appreciate, yep.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But at the same time, a lot of people, to
your point, haven't necessarily done the work, or they don't
actually know how to do the work, and so like,
hustle can only get you so far.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, and I knew I never was trying to hustle.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Right, like you know what I mean, Like at a
certain point, you're just kind of guessing what to do.
And I think with people like downplay, even if you've
had a time and corporate background, orright to your point,
even if you work for somebody else, you have you
have to learn how to work. Yeah, I think that's
one of the things that's really missing right now in
that absolute kind of like entrepreneurial you know, solopreneur culture
is a lot of people have kind of skipped over
that step. Yes, learning how to work, and it's like
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basic stuff to your point, it's follow ups. It's like
how to run a meeting, how to write a proposal. Literally, yeah,
I mean I'm bringing its great to chat noise, you
can help out, but you need that experience. And I
think it really shows and I think that's where a
lot of the quote unquote mediocracy to come from us.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
They don't They're making this.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Shit up as they go literally and then also oversight,
like you know what I mean, it's like in the
space like people, it's like you know, even with sometimes
with my contractors, it's like, yes, you drafted this press release,
Yes you drafted this you know, social media caption. But
at the end of the day, when people hire the
resource skilled, they want their campaign to be touched by
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mister Daniel Dickey. So I'm gonna absolutely need to look
at this thing and make sure that falls into alignment
with the agency standards that have been set out for
almost thirteen years now. You know what I mean, And
so you get that kind of stuff. It's like people
don't even want to answer to anyone, and it's like
somebody's got to write you a check, you know what
I mean, And that's for everyone. It's like, even when
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people talk about being self made, I think that is
the biggest cap of a statement that you could ever make,
because at no point could you ever ever be self made. Like,
I'm a very literal person, So to meet self made
is like, Hello, you didn't go into your mom's wound
and features. You didn't decide you was gonna be a baddie.
You didn't decide you would have this widow's peak. You didn't,
So you didn't Actually, so you weren't self made. You
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were conceived by you know, too hopefully attracted people who
had sex and they made you so so you didn't
make yourself there. And then as and now, as you're
going through your career and you're matriculating, people had to
invest things into you. They had to invest you know, knowledge, wisdom, insight,
you know, gems, all those things. Those things are obviously
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a part of your propulsion to wherever you end up going.
And then if you can't print your own money and
take it to banks and negotiate it or take it
to vendors and negotiated, and the Feds not be on
you for you know what I mean, Then you weren't
self made, like somebody had to invest in you, you
know what I mean. And it's very problematic when I
hear people say that they were self made, because if
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you didn't print your own money, a bunch of people
had to come together for you to be made.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, it's like it was. It was funny even to
your point about like the whole goat thing. Like my
boy Ray Daniels, I saw him talk about something lately
because somebody asked him like, should you if you're an
artist in a city, you're creative and you want a
bigger platform, you know, should you go to a bigger
a bigger place to kind of get it going? He
was like, well, if you're not the biggest person in
your town. You're not the biggest person in Scotsboro, Geordan, Exactly,
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if you're not the biggest artist in you're making.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Exactly what the hell you go to New York for? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Shout out the Ray Daniel, it's my Burgo King and
brother and then shout out to Macon. But that's absolutely
a fact, and it's like you it's this, it's this
delusional aspect of our culture to meet to me that
I think it's very, very problematic because at the end
of the day, my guy, you're five two with very
limited motor skills.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't give a fuck what anybody told you.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You're not going to the NBA, Like that's not on
your list of things, like, you know what I mean. Like,
so it's like you really got to be able to
tap into who you are really and then tap into
what you can do, and then always be getting your
skills up, you know what I mean. Like, You're never
gonna be so dope that you can't get your skills up.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
One of my favorite quotes actually comes from fifty cent.
He says that you know, the firmer your grip is
on reality, the more you can adjust it to your
needs exactly. I mean, I think a lot of people
just aren't in reality and you're not being honest with yourself,
Like there's something a lot of everybody else you start now,
I'm all about confidence, yeah, definitely, but like it's confidence yeah,
but like but again, you can't lie to yourself. You
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gotta be honest about the reality situation, right because you
know if you're not, like, man, it's not.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Gonna go well.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Right exactly Now, you talk about that thing you called
the Kim principle keep it moving, Like, how does that
show up in your business and your life and what
you do?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
The chem principle, honestly, for me, is like a ruling center.
And it's my belief that if you're able to keep
it moving forward positively and productively, no matter what comes
your way in life, good things will always be on
their way to you. I think it's one of the
ways that you have an element of control because you
get to curate your.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Own karma, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And so it's like you do read what you so inevitably,
and so the com principle for me is how I
handle problems. And because that's the way I handle problems,
it puts my clients at ease, It puts my friends,
it puts my family these They know that I'm thinking
about what's going on in a way that's productive and positive,
no matter what it is, whether it's scandal or anything.
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I'm still thinking about how do we positively and productively
navigate it. And it's really just the way that I
live my life through all things. I remember twenty twenty
this is five, twenty twenty three. That year it was
I decided that that was the year I was going
to start actually having just a mindset around adding that
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M the millionaire M to all the other ms that
I am. Yeah, multi media mogul, minimalists, musician, mastermind. And
apparently God decided that I need a new thing. Yes,
and so, uh it was my birthday September and I
was like, you know, should I get a new car?
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And I didn't get a new car, and literally later
on in that month, all the electronics on my car crashed,
you know what I mean. So obviously I had to
get a new car, you know what I mean, because
it was like, you know, this is gonna cost four
thousand dollars to fix, and so so there was that
decision was made for me. Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
In that same year, I was at rock Steady.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Shout out to rock Steady, and uh, someone broke into
my car and they stole all my bags. So they
stole my my laptop bag, they stole my my my
sports bag where you know, with the sneakers and the
tennis rackets and all the knee braces and angle braces. Uh,
they stole that bag. They stole my Ganja bag with
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all my you know, the things necessary to get on
a flight now far yeah, I'm talking about they took
all my bags. So okay, So that year obviously again,
like I said, I obviously needed to do a lot
of new things.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
But when and so I was.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I sat outside of the rock steady and you know,
for you know, probably two hours waiting on the police
to show up. And when I got there, the cop
was like, you're unusually calm, Like you know, people are
usually frantic and you know, very angry and all those
kinds of things around, you know, their things being stolen.
But I wasn't put here to connect to things, you
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know what I mean, Like I'm I'm here to uh
to be a guide, to be a sage and to
help people get closer to their dreams and destiny. And
so nothing in that bag was going to prevent me
from doing what I was put on this earth to do.
And I wasn't physically harmed in any shape, form or fashion.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
And I don't really give a fuck about stuff. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So, but he was just like, you're unusually calm, But
it's always the kin principle for me. And the times
that I really have to practice the Chim principle are
when trials and tribulations come. It's easy to be positive
and productive when things are in flow, but is it
equally is easy to be positive and productive when things
are hitting the fan, whether that's personally or professionally. And
I've found a way to kind of be close to
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that through all the things, and it just brings a
confidence to the people around me and an assurance to
people around me, And I really it's actually a part
of why my reputation allows my business to work with
some of the most extraordinary brands and people in our
time and era.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, and you know what I mean. Working with those brands,
I'm sure can be demanding. I'm sure that there are
very interesting people to work with out here all these
different levels. How do you kind of balance authenticity and
staying honest and kind of true to what is important
to you as well as the needs of these brands
and companies and celebrities that you work with.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, again, for me, because I didn't go looking for them,
so you know what I mean. So I think that's
a part of it on the front side, like you know,
because we don't solicit business. You found me somehow, you
know what I mean, Like you know it was and
so you came to you came to me somehow, you
know what I mean. Sometimes I don't even know who
the people are who refer me be.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like, oh I was referred by it and I was
like who but who?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
People right exactly like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And so so for me, it's like, so I think
when when brands and stuff come to me, they understand it.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
They're coming to me.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And I'm a leader of leaders, and I have a
way that I see things that comes from being this
renaissance man that has all these perspectives. So I have
a perspective that that has a weight to it, that
that people are really comfortable with, you know, at high
levels like c sweet people love humans like me, CEOs
love humans like me, and you know, dynamic people enjoy
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being around this energy.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And so for me, I to go back to your question,
you know, it's the balance comes from being in balance
on the on the front side, you know, I think
as black men one of the things that we aren't
doing really well is having any dominion over our feminine energy,
you know what I mean. And so because I do
have that balance, I understand what it means to be
able to toggle between the masculine energy that's dominant, but
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also the feminine energy is that's so necessary to your
soft skills, to being a nurturer, to being a developer.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And so because I come with balance, it allows men not.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
To feel overly, you know, intimidated by that part of me,
you know, and so that it also makes women feel
very confident in the masculine part, you know what I mean.
So I get to speak from that balance perspective on
all things.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's almost like.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Like Yoda Miyagi type energy, you know what I mean.
And so it just makes that part easy.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, my mode, I had a mentor you to talk about.
You know, it's always a balance between kind of being
you know, Yoda and Superman with a lot of things.
You kind of know there are different moments to do both.
But you know, you were talking it also it also
reminded me of something and I actually even asked chat
Gibt because I wanted to ask you said, So I
was like, you know, what, what's the renaissance man? Because
you use that term and you know, for those that
don't know if you think people have heard it, but
(34:53):
I don't know if they've ever like thought to define
what it is. I got asked and it was said,
you know, it's somebody that's you know, multifaceted. They're curious, creative,
intellectually versatile, culturally fluid. Like when did you start defining
yourself and referring to yourself as a renaissance ma? Like
what made you start doing that?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
So I think when.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Honestly, it's when I when I started, when I put
together my bio for.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
To launch the resource skill.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You know, it was because for me, it was like
all throughout that process before that, when I was working
in PR, it was you know, that was something that
really dominated a lot of my time in space. But
I'm so many other things, you know what I mean,
Like you know, I am first, and lots of different
things and subject matters and things, and so it really
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just kind of put me in the space where I
just kind of look back and just understood that, yes,
I've done all these things, you know what I mean?
And I said that previously where I felt like I
was kind of confined in the PR space, you know,
a publicist, you know what I mean. And I knew
that just again, I felt like that just didn't even
scritch the surface of who I am or what I
could do. And so then when I look back over
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all the things that I've done, I've coached professional basketball players,
you know, all those different kinds of things, and none
of those things have anything to do with what the
agency does, you know what I mean. But then also,
but to even go beyond that, you know, I talk
to a lot of students. I've been a mentor guided
boys to men. You know, since I was probably about
sixteen years old. I've been a part of helping boys
(36:26):
become men and understanding that for men specifically, we define
ourselves a lot. And just actually now in this culture,
more times than not, people define themselves based on what
they do to make money. Yeah, you know what I mean.
So you ask them, hey, you know, so what do
you do? And they'll tell you their trade. You know,
I'm a carpenter, I'm a lawyer. You know, I'm a therapist.
But that may or may not be why you were
(36:47):
put on this earth. You know what I mean, and
then just to and then for being someone who comes
from the legacy that I come from, I understand very
deeply that we derive from the people who created every
fucking thing. Okay, Like, if it's dope and it exist,
black people had a hand in it, you know, from
all the way from the establishing of civilization to where
we are now. And so when people to find themselves
(37:10):
based on what they do for a living, it causes
them to have anxiety around any other thing that they do,
you know what I mean. And so it's like, yeah,
my guy, Yes, you work at the postal service. You know,
that's how you take care of your family. But you
love to paint, you know, you actually, you know, we're
really loved to be a saxophone player, and that was
something you really wanted to do. And so if you
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don't carve out space to be all that you are
in this life, you'll be so much less than you
are and you'll die and you'll really still be full.
Like and so I want people to get closer to
empty at the end of their lives. And you'll never
do that if you don't create space for all that
you are. And so when people ask me what I do.
I start with the fact that I'm a renaissance man.
(37:50):
I don't start with their trade. I don't start with
any of those syings because I want to give you
something bigger, because I am bigger. And then we could
we can date Rashindo into you know, you heard out
with the publicist or whatever that was. But I'm not
going to start there because that's not who I am.
I'm a renaissance man. I'm somebody who's vague, verse and
capable and lots of different ways and lots of different
things I'm you know, It's like I'm a singer, I'm
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an activist, I'm a soccer player, I'm a basketball player,
I'm a tennis player, I'm a multi media mogul. But
I also, you know, love dancing on somebody's daughter, you
know what I mean. I smoke marijuana, all of these
different things, All of those things are who we are.
And I think if we can get our people into
understanding that, really, I think our one and only true
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responsibility in life be is to be all that we are.
And so if so, I start with a broad stroke
so we can bring it in because I want to
and enhance the way other people look at.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Themselves absolutely, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You know they always say like like life is a stage,
and you know, I know you know that too, especially
because you you know, I was surprised didn't know you
were a vocalist at first. Now I remember when you
when I found out. I've seen you out there doing
your thing before, you know, And like they said, they say,
life is a stage, but like, what's the next act
for you? What are you excited about next?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So honestly, you know, interesting that you bought it up
in that way. So for me, it's you know, I've
been a person who's kind of you know, worked side
stage and stuff like that, putting people on stage and
stuff like that. But honestly, for me, what's next is
more this, you know, Like I've definitely kind of been
almost like an enigmatic kind of person for a long time.
(39:22):
It's like sometimes people come up to me and they'll
be like exhausted trying to figure out who I am.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Like, Bro, I've seen you everywhere. Bro, what you do? Bro?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Like And then when people listen to you know, my interviews,
any any podcasts, any features. You know, I've been on
NBC and all these different things, but they really enjoying
my perspective, like the way that I look at life,
and it seems to be something that lands and is
relatable across culture, across generations. So really, for me, next
is sharing more of me with the world, you know,
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sharing like you know, from the on the music side,
being a My cousin said that I'm not a motivational speaker.
He says, I'm a directional speaker. So yes, because I
get people, I guess direction you know what I mean.
I guess that is what I do. But a part
of what I'm seeing now, Brandon, is I'm seeing myself,
you know, on the Marquee at State Farm Arena at
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Madison Square Garden, and I'm there as a motivational, directional
speaker and a recording artists. So just imagine you're going
to see Les Brown or Tony Robbins mixed with seeing
Stevie Wonder, you know what I mean, and so that
kind of energy, so you know, the music being a
part of creating conversations about love, about greatness, about you know, forgiveness,
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about healing, about all those things. So so sharing more
of me with the world is a part of what
I think the next phase is for me, that's kind
of been the one that I've kind of kept in
the crop pot of it all, you know, And so
I guess I'm now I'm in a space now where
I'm you know, super duper Whooper connected, you know, people
really really you know, you know, there's a lot of
love outside of these streets for mister Daniel Dickey and
(40:57):
just kind of harvesting that in a way that gets
to move our peaceep forward. I think, you know, we're
seeing a lot of our legends, our legendary black male voices,
specifically you know, die have unceremonious falls from grace. But
you know, if our black men are going to be
what they see, they need to see more of black
men like me and you so they can have better
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compasses and better north stars to take them to where
they need to be going. I think that, you know,
our frequency around a lot of things right now is
pretty low, you know what I mean. Like, you know,
I think even when we look at what it means
to achieve and nowadays, you know, people they feel like
they're the greatest of all time because they you know,
dug in their nose and rubbed it on their teacher.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Mama told me right exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
They were viral and so now it's like, you know,
and so now they're describing themselves, you know, in the
red carpet like, oh, I'm like you know me, because
you know, if you don't have an egot, who even
are you?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
And so and they're like, oh, you know, I'm like,
you know, who are you? They walk up like you know,
I'm such a big deal, and I'm like, well.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Who are you. It's like, oh, I'm the guy who
wrote the book on my teacher and went viral.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Okay, step out the way, but that's celebrity now, you
know what I mean, Like just you know the most yes,
Like it's so and so it's important for us to
take up more space, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm really proud of you for this and the things
that you're doing, you know, to shine lights on more entities,
more brands, more people, and then also this city, you know,
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because that's important.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
If our next generations are going to be what.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
They see, they need to see folks like me and
you who are sometimes you know, more so going to
lean into being low key and to the side. But
that's not going to help our next generations be what
they need to be. This culture, this country is specifically
dumbing down the minds of black people, you know what
I mean? Because if I can make people aspire to
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be a viral sensation for a dance that they'll never
probably focus on knowledge and wisdom and learning and the
things that will be sustainable to any true greatness and excellence.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
So look, before we get out of here, one question
I love to ask people is you know I'm gonna
ask you is if there was a mister Daniel Dickie
billboard in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I'm sure there's probably been another point.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
But again, like this billboard, you could put any message,
any anything you believe in, any mantra, your favorite book.
What would be on the mister Daniel Dickie billboard that
was in Atlanta somewhere?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Hm hmm.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
What would be on a billboard that's such a tough one,
like probably a qrco.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Like too much to even going to you know what
the book going on? That's first some anybody's ever said that,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I mean, Maybe maybe the Kim principle, like just you
know that, like what you know, the Kim principle and
then a QR code, you know what I mean, maybe,
but I don't know. I've never thought about that, you know,
like just yeah, that's not been a thought of mine.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
So that was my knee jerk reaction, like know.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
What I mean, could look, I could change it over
the back end, just staying this and out. Yeah, I'll
put whatever I feel like putting up there exactly. Yes, Yeah,
you need you need this energy, mister Daniel Dicky. You
know they come first of all. You need this energy,
you know, and that Q No, that's that's that's good.
I like that when I'm gonna start using. Look, man,
this has been an amazing conversation. Before we get out here,
please how can people find out more about you? How
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can they follow? How can they get in contact with you?
How can they find about the Resource Guild? Like give
them all the things.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
So I am very findable.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think if you type in mister Daniel Dickey on anything,
you'll find me. My Instagram is at mister Daniel Dickie.
The Agency Social is at Resource Guild, and that'll be
pathways to anything that I.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Have going on.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
You can absolutely find those things through mister Daniel Dickey
or the Resource Killed and at Resource guild on socials.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Absolutely, and so I want to say I.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Appreciate you again for you know, for creating this platform,
sharing with me, and sharing with all the other dope
and extraordinary people that have been on the platform.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
And I actually have a question for you got yeah
and so exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
What you got exactly and so and so my question
is what do you see for you in the next
chapter of the Ascension of Brandon Butler and the Butter Brand.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know, man, I was actually it's funny. I was
actually kind of thinking about thinking about that on the
way over here, you know, I mean four four day
is coming up, right, and you know, I was actually
thinking a lot about just what's happened over the last
seven years since I started Butter in five years since
we kind of have been doing full four day, right, Like,
you know, all this started from an Instagram account, and
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you know, I have a background in tech. I have
a you know, NBA from Jordia Tech also, And I
remember saying in the early days, They're like, you know,
I didn't I didn't start on Instagram to to I didn't.
I didn't I didn't go to get my NBA from
Tech just to run an Instagram account. So I've always
wanted to kind of be something bigger for me in general.
I've always wanted to make an impact on this city.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I grew up out.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I wasn't born here, but I moved here when I
was like six months old, and I remember growing up,
I would always every Sunday, after I got my first
car and I could drive, I would drive downtown and
I would just drive through the city and say, like,
one day I'm gonna be in those buildings, Like one
day I'm gonna make an impact. And so it's hilarious now,
like now that we're doing this parade and shutting down
p streets, the same shit. I would drive up and
down and be like, one day I'm getting that building.
(46:20):
Like all I've been in all those buildings. Now I've
had meetings and those I've talked to people. So you know,
for me, man, honestly, I just want this to, you know,
continue to kind of grow and be one of the cornerstone,
you know, platforms with things in Atlanta. It's kind of
like built euletnically from the ground up. I think Atlanta
is a very special place. I think that things are
still possible here. It's not perfect obviously, but I just again,
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I want to be one of the people that's making
an impact on this city and insane leaving a legacy.
Like I'm really proud to do a lot of the
things I do and for my kids to see me
doing it also, I think it really means a lot
because I'm showing them what's possible. And so yeah, like
I'm you know, I'm just very appreci of all the
support and all the people that I've had a chance.
And I mean, obviously, you know, I want to make
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money and do all those things, but like I said,
for me, really I just want to I want to
build things that you know, leave a legacy. I really
believe that Again, if we're you know, we're still doing
four four day and a four or four day parade
and all these things ten years from now, like that's
what matters, right, And I want to be I always
wanted to be a person that created something that kind of,
you know, almost like outlived me in a sense.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Absolutely, I love that for you definitely.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
That's so then my last question, look on your show,
So with all the high functioning things that you're up to,
how do you maintain your balance and your mental health
in the midst of that. Like, I just absolutely know
that black men aren't talking about that enough.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, and so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Look, man, balance is hard. Anybody that tells you that
they are balanced, I think, you know, isn't probably giving
you the whole truth, because especially when you're out here
doing your own thing and just the the ebbs and
flows that come with that. You know, a friend of
mine gave me some advice a long time ago. He said,
a lot of this stuff is like a roller coaster,
it is. You've got to can't get too high. Yeah,
you just kind or too You got to find a
way to kind of stay in the middle. And you know,
(48:04):
we all have good days and bad days, you know.
But I think the thing that's helped me out the
most is therapy. You know, I have a therapist. I've
been seeing her for the last you know, almost two
and a half three years. And you know, even funny
it was the other day, like, because I'm just balancing
so many things right now, really, you know, we had
an appointment. I wasn't gonna get somewhere where I could
be stationary, so I just pulled my car over and
we just did it right there in the car right,
(48:25):
because but I think again, I think what people need
to do is they need to remember you got to
let the air out the balloon sometimes. And you know,
as much as we have our friends that we like
to talk to about our problems and all that stuff,
the thing I've learned more often than not is even
if you tell your friends your problems, the typical advice
you're going to get is, man, you know, niggas be hating.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And I'm like, man, yeah, they do problem, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
And so I think again, like it's easy, it's easy
to just you know, and again we need for and
also too, even when you're dealing about different stuff with
this relationships with people, I think you to be very
careful about what you say you know about people to
other people, especially when you're upset, and so you need
a place, you need a place where you could let
some of that air out the balloon. So for me,
that's the first place I found balance. And then the
(49:13):
other part is you know, again, I just try to
take time. I mean, that's honestly, something I'm still trying
to get better at is figuring out like I don't
really have any hobbies, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Nothing, I mean, like I had. I used to. I
mean I used to play video.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Games and stuff like that, but I got too busy,
you know. But again, what I'm trying to do right
now is be a lot more intentional about hobbies and
doing other things. So I'm in the early stages of
like learning how to play golf again, and you know,
just trying to do things. I think that's just again
just being outside, you know, being active. I used to
play basketball and baseball growing up. But I do think
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that again, you know, in general, therapy is really important,
especially if you're you know, high functioning hot before we
got a lot of responsibilities on and I think you
just again, I think you need to do things that
aren't work related. You know, for a long time, I
would say, like my hobby is work.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
That was a terrible thing, literally the most terrible. Yeah,
So like you have to find other things. So that's
something I'm honestly still working on and trying to get better. Okay,
but yeah, I mean the biggest thing that helped me
out is is definitely just you know, having a space
and a forum rocket. You know, like I said, let's
some me out the balloon from time to time, because
if you hold it all in. I know for me personally,
it would manifest physically like my hair would. I would
(50:23):
literally my hair would fall out at certain points. I
mean I would, I would develop back spasms and stuff
like that. So that's your body talking to you. Literally
when that happens, you got to listen. So I would
just advise again anybody that's, you know, trying to I mean,
I think everybody needs it to a certain extent. But
I'll definitely say if you're if you're really out there
trying to do something, you need to find those those
places and forums to like I say, lit air off
(50:44):
the balloon absolutely, because you can't hold all this stuff in.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Like I'm a person who I have lots of hobbies
like I'm because I'm a very active human like so
you know, the sports are definitely like. But then also
I do yoga. I've actually been doing yoga for about
twenty years. I love being outside, grounding, breathing, the affirmations.
Dancing with somebody's daughter specifically, that's a really great one obviously,
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you know, dancing with somebody's daughters obviously, you know also
a gateway to perhaps other things with somebody's daughter that
are also very healing. But yeah, like, I appreciate you
having that conversation because I don't think we're doing that
enough as black men. I think that one of the
things we're just not doing is we're not talking. Yeah,
we're not talking to each other, and it's only putting
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us further and further behind a lot of other groups
of people.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yeah, well, look, man, I appreciate you. I appreciate you
being the first guest to ask me a couple of questions.
Somebody's got to do it on the pod, you know
what I'm saying. We'd love to see it. This has
been a great conversation. Thank you for pulling up, sir.
And with that said, we out.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
That's the pod.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
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People are not authentically pursuing greatness. People would rather call
themselves the great, put it on the end or put
a goat, hashtag or something on, you know, in their bio,
and they'll still want you to treat them like they
earned that. If the receipts aren't there, then they aren't.
It doesn't matter how dope they feel like they are
at this point, you know, like it's faithful without work
is dead, and so is the work. Saying that you're
(00:21):
to go in any shape, form or fashion. Are you
to go even of your neighborhood, Are you to go
to your family? Are you to vote of whatever town?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And you're not.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Here, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Butter. I'm your host,
Brandon Butler, founder CEO of Butter atl And today we've
got the one the only mister gotta say the mister
gott gotta add that part. So this mister Daniel Dickey,
how you doing, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm a grateful soul king. How about you? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
You know what falsity better? I'd be you, bro, I
love that for us. No man, I'm good man, I'm
good man. I'm glad were getting a chance to get
you up and We don't often have you know the
Renaissance Man or anybody renaissance. You know, nobody. I don't
know anybody else's renaissance anything. So you know what I'm saying.
We don't have the Renaissance man in there often. So
I appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm grateful to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So look, man, we've been doing something a little bit
different here. Okay, Like normally I tell you, I ask
people to say you no, not everybody knows who you are.
And we'll get to that point. Just we'll get to
that point in just a second. But we've been doing
is I asked chat Gpt who you were? Oh, yes,
I asked chat Chept. I said, chat Chept, who is
mister Daniel Dickey in Atlanta, Georgia. That's all I asked it.
(01:36):
So I'm gonna read you what chat Chept said. Okay,
all right, let's go right. And what I want you
to tell me is did leave anything out?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Anything you want to add? We don't see how close
this is? Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Mister Daniel Dickey, often referred to as the Renaissance Man,
as a prominent figure in Atlanta, Georgia. He is the
founder and lead strategist at the Resource Guild, an award
winning three sixty brand management, strategy and consulting company. Through
his agency, Daniel has collaborated with major brands such as Ferrari, Maserati, Lincoln, Moway, Hennessy,
the NBA, the NFL, Millericours, and Disney. Additionally, he has
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worked alongside some notable figures including Mary Mary Lebron, James
and Maury Stodemeyer, Ti Young, jz Usher and Moore. Beyond
his professional endeavors, Daniel is recognized for his community involvement
and activism. He describes himself as a humanity activist and
a lovable street servant leader, emphasizing his commitment to positive
social impact. His multifacetedalents also include singing and songwriting, reflecting
(02:35):
his passion for the arts. Daniel's influence in Atlanta has
earned him the nicknames such as the Governor of Atlanta,
the Heartbeat of Atlanta, and highlighting his authentic and gracious
engagement across diverse communities. His dedication to both professional excellence
and community service underscores his significant role in the cultural
and business of the city landscape of Atlanta. So you
(02:56):
tell me that's what shat GVT said about you.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It sounds like you're mildly verse.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Now filling who is mister Daniel Dickey the renaissance man.
But we got a little bit from there, right we go,
hear from the source himself.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, Well, I first of all just appreciate chat GPT
being so tapped in.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I think beyond that, I think that I am really
just a person who figured out how to get paid
to be himself and really what it meant to balance
my energies and it puts me in a space where
really opportunities really flow to me in lots of different
industries and in lots of different things that I do
with my time and space and life, you know, outside
(03:41):
of the things that chat GPT you know, covered, I
specifically mentorial you black men through the Barack Obama Foundation
and the Fulton Kind of Youth Commissioned. I'm the chairman
of the Young Professional of Osory Board for jose Fied
the Hungary and Homeless. I am a legacy kid. I
am named after my two grandfathers, and so my dad's
(04:04):
dad was one of the very first black doctors in Wilmington,
North Carolina. He was the co plaintiff in the civil
rights litigation that integrated the hospitals in Wilmington, North Carolina.
He was a co plaintiff in the civil rights litigation
that integrated the school system in Wilmington, North Carolina. He
was one of the black doctors who funded out THEA.
Gibson's tennis career. And then it was also my doctor.
So on my birth certificate, I see Daniel for me,
(04:26):
and then I also see Daniel for my doctor who
was my grandfather, and so that was my dad's dad,
so I got Daniel from him. And then my middle
name comes from my mom's dad, who was the second
longest tenured reverend in the entire history of the first
Missionary Baptist Church. At the point that he died, he
had been preaching for over eighty years. He's honorary doctorates,
(04:49):
letters from several presidents. He won the highest honor you
can win as a civilian in the state of North Carolina.
And so really what I am is really a person
who really stands on the legacy of two black men
who have both had their names on buildings. So as
extraordinary as I may or may not be to anyone.
It won't be anything to me until my name is
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on a building, because that's the mark for my family.
And I do believe every generation is supposed to go
higher and further than the last. I am a basketball
player and lover. I'm a tennis player and lover, a
soccer player and lover.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm a lady fan and lover, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And I'm just outside with the vibes and just in
all the ways and on all of the days.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's that's who I am.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Look, man, I had no idea about the deep history
of the family and kind of you know, where you
come from. Like what was it like just growing up
around you know, so many influential, amazing people that were
also you know, directly in your family like that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Something that really it was. It was really always just
like a teaching a lesson that was always being learned,
because one of the lessons that I learned very early
on was about faith and the value of your name,
because you know, as a youngster, when people would know
who my father was, who my grandfather was, my mom,
my dad, there was always another level of respect that
(06:13):
then would be at it, like, oh, you glance them.
Oh and then and now it's like, oh, well, let me.
And so it really taught me the value of your
name and how important it is to what that means,
to the legacy of not just you, but to your
family as a collective. So I'm from a family of singers, preachers,
civil rights activists, doctors, and so really excellent education. All
(06:34):
those things were absolutely ingrained into us. I'm from North Carolina,
but I don't speak with any type of Southern.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Draw mall y'all, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And so because my parents actually met in college and
so it was that too. So it was really just
it was cool, like, you know, we did all the things.
I sang in a choir, I played on the teams
and all those things, and you know, I still found
a way to figure out how to be this person
that I am in the midst of all the things
that are going on in my family.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Absolutely what brought you to Atlanta for the first time?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
My first time coming to Atlanta, well, my first time
coming My first time coming to Alanta was as a kid. Yeah,
So we took my parents, we took a family trip
down to Atlanta. This was back when apparently it was
cool for us to wear those those T shirt hoodies
that you know, I had the little weed sign and
all kinds of stuff on them. Apparently those worked for Yes.
(07:28):
And so I still remember my first trip to Atlanta
as a youngster because we went to the Underground and
it was the first time I seen dudes with fingerwaves
in there, and I was like, hey, well this is
the start a guy that girls wear and it was this.
So that was but that was our first time as
a kid to Atlanta. My first time as as a
(07:49):
young adult was I came down here for an internship
during undergrad at a PR front called Images USA. So yeah,
so I came down for internship at Images. One of
my homeboys is DJ shot Kim. Shout out to DJ
shot Kim, And at that point he was a DJ
for bow Wow and all kinds of people and now
he's the official DJ for New Edition and he's lit dope,
(08:10):
and so I had boots on the ground. I was plugged,
and I came when I came from the internship. And
then I officially moved to Atlanta in two thousand and seven. Okay,
and I really moved here because I just needed more
latitude and longitude. You know, being growing up, you know,
in a smaller city where your family has, you know,
some prominence and all that kind of stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It puts the ceiling too close.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And I knew I needed a bit more latitude and
longitude to be all that I am.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, and you know in between two thousand and seven
and when did you start the Resource Guild?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Twenty thirteen?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Okay, so between two thousand, we'll get into the Resource Guild.
What sure, But like between two thousand and seven and too, Like,
what were you work? What were you doing then?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I was doing some financial counseling at a nonprofit here
called Caris Community Housing through the FCS umbrella, and I
was working at the Garner Circle. Was my friend, Yes, exactly,
definitely shout out to doctor doctor Nicolet.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Please doctor Nicole Garner Scott. H Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And so I, me and one of my great friends,
Tierre Brooks, we went to Uh we met some girls
at Slice.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You remember Slices, guys, So we met some girls at Slice.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They invited us to this party and uh we got
to this party and had to I had to soft.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Skillfulness, you know, security to get in.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And it just ended up being most of the littlest
people in Atlanta at that time. I'm talking about everyone
from Andre three thousand to Big Boy to Chingy Ludicrous, Monica,
Bobby Valentino, Jazzy Fade, Shaka Zulu, Keena Johnson, all the
record label execs, the media, and there were just all
this one event. And so I'm a person who walks
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in an ancestral favor, if I'm being honest, So I
understand that I didn't earn all the favor that I
walk in, but because we were in that room and
it's still today, and I produced some of the flyers
events in the city, but that was one of the
I can count on my hand. I'm a times I've
been to an event where the absolute bar was open, okay,
and you know, of course, you know, I mean, we
did an event last night shout out to Remy. It
(10:08):
was you know, complimentary Remy, not anything you see on
the bar. And so we were at this event, Bro,
and it was probably about fifty sixty people, but they
were all the ones from local government at that point
and all that, and so I networked the shit out
of that room.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I left that room with probably thirty contacts, but they
just happened to be really really the people who really
moved the city forward, and at this point now they've
been great friends for that long. I worked at the
Garner Circle, where I was the sports and Lifestyle director
and then I ended up rising to being the executive
vice president of the Garner Circle at the point where
(10:43):
they became one of the top five black owned PR
funds in the country. Yeah, and so yeah, I did
that for that was my first industry job here in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, I forge, you know, I think that's where I
first met you at now that I think back about it,
like because again I've gone back with doctor Nicole Garner
for a long time back, and I remember when y'all
had to spot down there on on a Auburn Avenue.
But yeah, I think that's when we first kind of
connected just in general, you know what I mean. But
we've known each other for a long time too, and
so now, man, see that's why I look, that's why
y'all got to be good of people in Atlanta, you
(11:14):
know what I mean, Like, you never know who's gonna
end up where, you never know who's gonna be around,
and again, it's the people you need all of a
sudden a couple of years later, you know, they out
here running everything like you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So one of the things you said, I want to
kind of go back into. You said, you know, you
figured out how to get paid to be yourself. Like
that's a very powerful statement within itself, Like what does
that actually mean to you?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Though?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, I think honestly, like I figured out really who
I was honestly at twelve. Okay, Yeah, at twelve years old,
I was making lots of decisions about what I was
up to, what I was interested in, what I wasn't
interested in, what I liked, what I didn't like, and
then what I was willing to do to express those
things to you know, in life and also to people.
(11:56):
And so at twelve I started my first business. And honestly,
what I did at twelve i'm still doing now, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And so at.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Twelve, I started a law care business in my neighborhood.
I was using my dad's lawmowarer, and I would go
out and secure, you know, the deals to cut the yards.
And honestly, I had like a fifty five year old
white man who was actually my employee cutting the grass
for me. At twelve and he was a winowy kind
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of guy. You know, something I watched my dad do exactly,
and so I would negotiate the deals.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I had the lawnmower.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I would get the gas and he would actually like
cut the grass and I would. I made, you know,
sixty percent of the money from that as a twelve
year old, you know. And so you know, going in
identifying the needs, uh, securing the deal, and then working
through my own abilities and staff abilities, and then the
abilities of all these amazing people in this city and
(12:54):
then all over the country. And that's literally what I'm
still doing now, you know what I mean. And so
there is that at twelve, you know, I was playing
baseball and basketball and soccer. You know, I was a artist,
a visual artist that was featured at the state level
in my in North Carolina, and all those things I
was doing at twelve.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You know. I always say that, you know, people that
kind of have clarity about what they want to do
early are some of the luckiest people because you get
to spend more time doing it. And that's something even
with my kids, I kind of try to push them.
It's like, you know, look, I'm all about exploration and
figuring and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Everybody's path is different, but I do believe that again,
the people that figure out or know what they want
to do or know the direction they want to go
in at an early age or just there's lucky because
you literally get to spend your entire life like focusing
on that thing, and that's where real mastery comes in at.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, definitely. And so for me in that same space,
I was, you know, the Sultan of mischief. I was
a mischievous kid.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Definitely. I'm the Sultan. Yeah, Sultan obviously, you know, and so, yeah,
Sultan of Mischief.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I was definitely the kid who was doing my work
faster than everyone else in class and then throwing spitballs
at home and had all that kind of stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I was getting suspended from.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
School for disrupting the class and all those different kinds
of things.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I was doing all those things at that time.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But what I realized is I look back now, is
my teachers would tell my parents and my friends' parents.
That's with my friends parents, They're like, listen, your kid
is really not the problem in class. It's really this
kid named Daniel Dickey. But Daniel has an a in
the class you know what I mean. I was definitely
that kid. I've always been a person who people are
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attracted to my energy, you know what I mean. Like
people just feel really comfortable around me, they feel powerful
around me, and that's been a thing too, and so
really that's really something I've just been able to really
figure out how to monetize, honestly, like connectivity, the ability
to you know, connect dots, the ability to move things forward,
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and the ability to really see things toggling between my
left brain and my right brain.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, well, you know, let's talk about this like when
it comes to modernization. You know, I think a lot
of people again, they kind of struggle to figure out
like where the value is, Like how did you start
learning and how did you kind of figure out especially
with the resource guilds you're going to get into that
like to actually.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Because look you got to eat. Yeah, you know, definitely
Georgia power, don't take lights.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Social media, you know, like, how do you think about actually,
you know, putting a dollar figure on the values and
the services that you create and provide for people.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, I think working in PR was really working you know,
working at the Gunar Circle was really like it was
really like a teaching module for me on just the
needs of people, you know, especially like in these industries,
and so working in PR, you of course you really
kind of put the light on and keep the lights
on your clients and keep the lights on whatever their
(15:52):
endeavors are. But when I started a resource Guild, it
was I felt stifled and I felt confined by being
considered a publicist. And so I just felt like, just
as this person who is apparently one of the most
diversely accomplished black men in the world, I felt like
being called a publicist was just such a minute piece
of who I actually am. And so when I started
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the resource guilled as one of the one of it's
one of the only three hundred and sixty degree brand
management and strategy consulting agencies, it was understanding that people
have more needs than like being on them, you know
what I mean. Like, so instead of creating a press
conference for you, let's paint this place, you know what
I mean, Like, let's actually get this ratchet girl from
your front desk. Let's redo your website, let's redo your logo,
(16:37):
let's reformat your packaging. Let's do things that don't have
anything to do with PR. So then when it is
time to execute the PR deliverable, you're in a better
space as a company from the way you look feel
execute And so really that's kind of how you know,
that kind of happened. Like I'm just a person who
at this point, I have twenty two thousand contacts my phone.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
That's just stressed crazy. Yeah, and I got twenty two
thousand hundred emails, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Have to do yes, and so I have twenty two
thousand contacts on my phone. So there's literally nothing under
the sun that I can't call someone to get figured out.
And so just that's immensely valuable, you know, to huge
brands and the small businesses.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What advice would you give the people that because one
thing's interesting about it. You know, Atlanta and a lot
of you know, black owned businesses, a lot of times
they are service based in my experience, and people again
they do their versions of agencies or again whether it's
PR creative, but like again, when it comes to actually
figuring out like the quote unquote formula, like you got it, Like,
how do you how do you approach actually having the
money conversation with people?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, first for me, like just I guess like my
like intake components first started off with me sending over
I overviewed my agency and my bio cause that's important
for them to know who I am, because I never
want to be in a situation where we're on a
call or anything. And I of course have a lot
of energy. I'm very much, I'm bold, I'm fearless. I
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say what I mean I mean when I say I'm
quick and clean, and so I never needed to be
who does this guy think he is? So let's go
out and get past to who does this god think
he is? So we can get to what's going on.
And so I won't even meet with you if you
haven't went through that. So you do that, you do
a new client questionnaire, and then we set up a call,
and on that call, it's essentially a brand development consultation
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because all I speak is drip sauce growth. So it's like,
you know, even on that call, we you know, we're
going to talk about how things that you can do
to will assess your aid, your businesses, digital footprint, your products,
what you have going on, and then we'll talk about
things that you can do to get to be more popping'
and so you can do those things yourself, or you
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can pay us to execute those things. But that's how
you leave that. And then if we decide that, you know,
both decide that there's interest in working together, because I don't.
I'm not a person who has a don't. I don't
really operate from a financial model in general. Like I
get paid to be me, so that's all I ever
have to be. And so I'm not one of those
people who's money driven in any really shape form of fashion.
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I'm a minimalist. I keep things very simple. But if
we decide that we want to actually explore what it
might mean to work together from our retainer space, then
I'll send over a proposal and it's got the prices
in it. And if the word thousand in some shape
form or fashion wasn't involved, then there's no way we
were involved, like unless you are like a pro bono
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like I do. Like, so one one of our agencies
pro bono partners right now to Clayton County Magnet Schools
and school System. And then one of our other nonprofit
pro pro bono type clients is the be Aware Foundation
and Affirmations across Atlanta. So I have a couple of
clients that we you know, work through that space. But
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for everybody else is again bow wow wow energy.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
As a business owner and entrepreneur, I mean again, run
the Resource Guild, all the other things you do, and
obviously it takes a lot of balance. Like what are
some of the biggest just lessons you've learned about actually
running a business? You know now that you actually own
your own thing again, we know you get paid to
be yourself right, Also, do have a company I really
work for you? Like, just as from that and standpoint, like,
what are some of the biggest lessons that you've learned
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from a business ownership standpoint?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Well, I think a couple of lessons for me are
One is I think it's honestly easier nowadays in the
agency space to work with independent contract there's more than
full time employees. You know, it just works better with this.
Everyone wants to be their own boss. Energy that people
bring in the first place. So it's like, okay, you
want to be your own boss. You are However, you
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know what I mean? Like, however, if you're working with
the Resource Guild, this is our client and so now
you have two clients because you have the resource guild
as your client and then whoever whatever the account is
that I brought you into work on. So that's definitely
one because you know, again it's just you know, you
want to be your own boss. And I think it
that is that space is very problematic, I think in
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our culture specifically because all these solopreneurs and you know,
gig preneurs and stuff like that, and I think your
business isn't really viably contributing to our culture if you're
not employing people. Yeah, you know, in some shape form
or fashion, I learned that. You know, at this point,
we're probably in a very We're in one of the
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most selfish times in the world. So having employees is
also you know, something that goes up and down as
how much you like it or not. Like I'm appreciating
how chet, GBT and those mechanisms are helping not have
to go back and forth with these ziggis, you know
what I mean, Because it's like, you know, people are
really you know, I think we're in the most selfish
time in the world. And I think we're also on
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a time where people aren't really committed to anything. They
aren't committed to their families, they aren't committed to their dreams,
their destinies. They're perfect, you know. Actually nowadays people would
rather people call themselves the great, put it on the end,
or put a goat hashtag or something on, you know,
in their bio, and they'll still want you to treat
them like they earn that, you know what I mean.
And so another thing that I learned is that if
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the receipts aren't there, then they aren't and it doesn't
matter how dope they feel like they are at this point,
you know, like it's faith without work is dead, you
know what I mean, And so is the work saying
that you're to go in any shape form or vession.
Are you to go even of your neighborhood, are you
to go to your family? Are you to vote of
whatever town? And you're not, you know what I mean.
So I've learned that people are not that dope, you
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know what I mean. I learned that follow up is
absolutely a missing piece for a lot of people that
follow through.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's like, yeah, you can get a shot up, but
did you flick your wrists? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And the risks aren't getting flicked, and it's just a
lot of mediocrity masquerading as masters at this point to
learn that. I learned that it's really important to keep
your expenses very low as an entrepreneur, just in general,
like you know what I mean, because you just never
know what this month is going to look like, you
know what I mean, Like I have a month where
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I'm where our agency may bring in fifteen thousand, but
then I might have a month where our agency might
make two thousand, you know what I mean, And you
still got to manage the eb and flow of that
and make sure that the people that you know, you
promised to pay, you know, get paid. I learned that,
really there's a part of it for me because my
agency is set up really interestingly be because we don't
do any solicitation of business, like we don't do RFPs,
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we don't do advertising. And so I learned that you
could have a sustainable business in that way if you
are tapped into who you actually are and your frequency
and how your vibrations and incite your blessings to be
attracted to you. I learned that as well, because I
could as a consultant. I would never tell someone to
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do business the way I do, you know what I mean,
Like you know, if you build it, they will come.
No necessarily, you know, no, very much, not necessarily. But
you know again that's you know, I live in a
very different frequency from most humans, you know, and I
do understand that, and that's why when people ask me
how I'm doing, I will usually speak to me being
grateful at the top of that conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Atlanta is a very interesting place specifically, I mean, even
when you talk about just the way that people approach things,
I was actually I say this a lot to people.
I think that, you know, Atlanta has such a entrepreneurial
and hustle.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Culture, which I appreciate, yep.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But at the same time, a lot of people, to
your point, haven't necessarily done the work, or they don't
actually know how to do the work, and so like,
hustle can only get you so far.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, and I knew I never was trying to hustle.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Right, like you know what I mean, Like at a
certain point, you're just kind of guessing what to do.
And I think with people like downplay, even if you've
had a time and corporate background, orright to your point,
even if you work for somebody else, you have you
have to learn how to work. Yeah, I think that's
one of the things that's really missing right now in
that absolute kind of like entrepreneurial you know, solopreneur culture
is a lot of people have kind of skipped over
that step. Yes, learning how to work, and it's like
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basic stuff to your point, it's follow ups. It's like
how to run a meeting, how to write a proposal. Literally, yeah,
I mean I'm bringing its great to chat noise, you
can help out, but you need that experience. And I
think it really shows and I think that's where a
lot of the quote unquote mediocracy to come from us.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
They don't They're making this.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Shit up as they go literally and then also oversight,
like you know what I mean, it's like in the
space like people, it's like you know, even with sometimes
with my contractors, it's like, yes, you drafted this press release,
Yes you drafted this you know, social media caption. But
at the end of the day, when people hire the
resource skilled, they want their campaign to be touched by
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mister Daniel Dickey. So I'm gonna absolutely need to look
at this thing and make sure that falls into alignment
with the agency standards that have been set out for
almost thirteen years now. You know what I mean, And
so you get that kind of stuff. It's like people
don't even want to answer to anyone, and it's like
somebody's got to write you a check, you know what
I mean, And that's for everyone. It's like, even when
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people talk about being self made, I think that is
the biggest cap of a statement that you could ever make,
because at no point could you ever ever be self made. Like,
I'm a very literal person, So to meet self made
is like, Hello, you didn't go into your mom's wound
and features. You didn't decide you was gonna be a baddie.
You didn't decide you would have this widow's peak. You didn't,
So you didn't Actually, so you weren't self made. You
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were conceived by you know, too hopefully attracted people who
had sex and they made you so so you didn't
make yourself there. And then as and now, as you're
going through your career and you're matriculating, people had to
invest things into you. They had to invest you know, knowledge, wisdom, insight,
you know, gems, all those things. Those things are obviously
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a part of your propulsion to wherever you end up going.
And then if you can't print your own money and
take it to banks and negotiate it or take it
to vendors and negotiated, and the Feds not be on
you for you know what I mean, Then you weren't
self made, like somebody had to invest in you, you
know what I mean. And it's very problematic when I
hear people say that they were self made, because if
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you didn't print your own money, a bunch of people
had to come together for you to be made.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, it's like it was. It was funny even to
your point about like the whole goat thing. Like my
boy Ray Daniels, I saw him talk about something lately
because somebody asked him like, should you if you're an
artist in a city, you're creative and you want a
bigger platform, you know, should you go to a bigger
a bigger place to kind of get it going? He
was like, well, if you're not the biggest person in
your town. You're not the biggest person in Scotsboro, Geordan, Exactly,
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if you're not the biggest artist in you're making.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Exactly what the hell you go to New York for? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Shout out the Ray Daniel, it's my Burgo King and
brother and then shout out to Macon. But that's absolutely
a fact, and it's like you it's this, it's this
delusional aspect of our culture to meet to me that
I think it's very, very problematic because at the end
of the day, my guy, you're five two with very
limited motor skills.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't give a fuck what anybody told you.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You're not going to the NBA, Like that's not on
your list of things, like, you know what I mean. Like,
so it's like you really got to be able to
tap into who you are really and then tap into
what you can do, and then always be getting your
skills up, you know what I mean. Like, You're never
gonna be so dope that you can't get your skills up.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
One of my favorite quotes actually comes from fifty cent.
He says that you know, the firmer your grip is
on reality, the more you can adjust it to your
needs exactly. I mean, I think a lot of people
just aren't in reality and you're not being honest with yourself,
Like there's something a lot of everybody else you start now,
I'm all about confidence, yeah, definitely, but like it's confidence yeah,
but like but again, you can't lie to yourself. You
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gotta be honest about the reality situation, right because you
know if you're not, like, man, it's not.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Gonna go well.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Right exactly Now, you talk about that thing you called
the Kim principle keep it moving, Like, how does that
show up in your business and your life and what
you do?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
The chem principle, honestly, for me, is like a ruling center.
And it's my belief that if you're able to keep
it moving forward positively and productively, no matter what comes
your way in life, good things will always be on
their way to you. I think it's one of the
ways that you have an element of control because you
get to curate your.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Own karma, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And so it's like you do read what you so inevitably,
and so the com principle for me is how I
handle problems. And because that's the way I handle problems,
it puts my clients at ease, It puts my friends,
it puts my family these They know that I'm thinking
about what's going on in a way that's productive and positive,
no matter what it is, whether it's scandal or anything.
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I'm still thinking about how do we positively and productively
navigate it. And it's really just the way that I
live my life through all things. I remember twenty twenty
this is five, twenty twenty three. That year it was
I decided that that was the year I was going
to start actually having just a mindset around adding that
(29:47):
M the millionaire M to all the other ms that
I am. Yeah, multi media mogul, minimalists, musician, mastermind. And
apparently God decided that I need a new thing. Yes,
and so, uh it was my birthday September and I
was like, you know, should I get a new car?
(30:09):
And I didn't get a new car, and literally later
on in that month, all the electronics on my car crashed,
you know what I mean. So obviously I had to
get a new car, you know what I mean, because
it was like, you know, this is gonna cost four
thousand dollars to fix, and so so there was that
decision was made for me. Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
In that same year, I was at rock Steady.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Shout out to rock Steady, and uh, someone broke into
my car and they stole all my bags. So they
stole my my laptop bag, they stole my my my
sports bag where you know, with the sneakers and the
tennis rackets and all the knee braces and angle braces. Uh,
they stole that bag. They stole my Ganja bag with
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all my you know, the things necessary to get on
a flight now far yeah, I'm talking about they took
all my bags. So okay, So that year obviously again,
like I said, I obviously needed to do a lot
of new things.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
But when and so I was.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I sat outside of the rock steady and you know,
for you know, probably two hours waiting on the police
to show up. And when I got there, the cop
was like, you're unusually calm, Like you know, people are
usually frantic and you know, very angry and all those
kinds of things around, you know, their things being stolen.
But I wasn't put here to connect to things, you
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know what I mean, Like I'm I'm here to uh
to be a guide, to be a sage and to
help people get closer to their dreams and destiny. And
so nothing in that bag was going to prevent me
from doing what I was put on this earth to do.
And I wasn't physically harmed in any shape, form or fashion.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
And I don't really give a fuck about stuff. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So, but he was just like, you're unusually calm, But
it's always the kin principle for me. And the times
that I really have to practice the Chim principle are
when trials and tribulations come. It's easy to be positive
and productive when things are in flow, but is it
equally is easy to be positive and productive when things
are hitting the fan, whether that's personally or professionally. And
I've found a way to kind of be close to
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that through all the things, and it just brings a
confidence to the people around me and an assurance to
people around me, And I really it's actually a part
of why my reputation allows my business to work with
some of the most extraordinary brands and people in our
time and era.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, and you know what I mean. Working with those brands,
I'm sure can be demanding. I'm sure that there are
very interesting people to work with out here all these
different levels. How do you kind of balance authenticity and
staying honest and kind of true to what is important
to you as well as the needs of these brands
and companies and celebrities that you work with.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, again, for me, because I didn't go looking for them,
so you know what I mean. So I think that's
a part of it on the front side, like you know,
because we don't solicit business. You found me somehow, you
know what I mean, Like you know it was and
so you came to you came to me somehow, you
know what I mean. Sometimes I don't even know who
the people are who refer me be.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Like, oh I was referred by it and I was
like who but who?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
People right exactly like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And so so for me, it's like, so I think
when when brands and stuff come to me, they understand it.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
They're coming to me.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And I'm a leader of leaders, and I have a
way that I see things that comes from being this
renaissance man that has all these perspectives. So I have
a perspective that that has a weight to it, that
that people are really comfortable with, you know, at high
levels like c sweet people love humans like me, CEOs
love humans like me, and you know, dynamic people enjoy
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being around this energy.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And so for me, I to go back to your question,
you know, it's the balance comes from being in balance
on the on the front side, you know, I think
as black men one of the things that we aren't
doing really well is having any dominion over our feminine energy,
you know what I mean. And so because I do
have that balance, I understand what it means to be
able to toggle between the masculine energy that's dominant, but
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also the feminine energy is that's so necessary to your
soft skills, to being a nurturer, to being a developer.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And so because I come with balance, it allows men not.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
To feel overly, you know, intimidated by that part of me,
you know, and so that it also makes women feel
very confident in the masculine part, you know what I mean.
So I get to speak from that balance perspective on
all things.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's almost like.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Like Yoda Miyagi type energy, you know what I mean.
And so it just makes that part easy.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, my mode, I had a mentor you to talk about.
You know, it's always a balance between kind of being
you know, Yoda and Superman with a lot of things.
You kind of know there are different moments to do both.
But you know, you were talking it also it also
reminded me of something and I actually even asked chat
Gibt because I wanted to ask you said, So I
was like, you know, what, what's the renaissance man? Because
you use that term and you know, for those that
don't know if you think people have heard it, but
(34:53):
I don't know if they've ever like thought to define
what it is. I got asked and it was said,
you know, it's somebody that's you know, multifaceted. They're curious, creative,
intellectually versatile, culturally fluid. Like when did you start defining
yourself and referring to yourself as a renaissance ma? Like
what made you start doing that?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
So I think when.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Honestly, it's when I when I started, when I put
together my bio for.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
To launch the resource skill.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You know, it was because for me, it was like
all throughout that process before that, when I was working
in PR, it was you know, that was something that
really dominated a lot of my time in space. But
I'm so many other things, you know what I mean,
Like you know, I am first, and lots of different
things and subject matters and things, and so it really
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just kind of put me in the space where I
just kind of look back and just understood that, yes,
I've done all these things, you know what I mean?
And I said that previously where I felt like I
was kind of confined in the PR space, you know,
a publicist, you know what I mean. And I knew
that just again, I felt like that just didn't even
scritch the surface of who I am or what I
could do. And so then when I look back over
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all the things that I've done, I've coached professional basketball players,
you know, all those different kinds of things, and none
of those things have anything to do with what the
agency does, you know what I mean. But then also,
but to even go beyond that, you know, I talk
to a lot of students. I've been a mentor guided
boys to men. You know, since I was probably about
sixteen years old. I've been a part of helping boys
(36:26):
become men and understanding that for men specifically, we define
ourselves a lot. And just actually now in this culture,
more times than not, people define themselves based on what
they do to make money. Yeah, you know what I mean.
So you ask them, hey, you know, so what do
you do? And they'll tell you their trade. You know,
I'm a carpenter, I'm a lawyer. You know, I'm a therapist.
But that may or may not be why you were
(36:47):
put on this earth. You know what I mean, and
then just to and then for being someone who comes
from the legacy that I come from, I understand very
deeply that we derive from the people who created every
fucking thing. Okay, Like, if it's dope and it exist,
black people had a hand in it, you know, from
all the way from the establishing of civilization to where
we are now. And so when people to find themselves
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based on what they do for a living, it causes
them to have anxiety around any other thing that they do,
you know what I mean. And so it's like, yeah,
my guy, Yes, you work at the postal service. You know,
that's how you take care of your family. But you
love to paint, you know, you actually, you know, we're
really loved to be a saxophone player, and that was
something you really wanted to do. And so if you
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don't carve out space to be all that you are
in this life, you'll be so much less than you
are and you'll die and you'll really still be full.
Like and so I want people to get closer to
empty at the end of their lives. And you'll never
do that if you don't create space for all that
you are. And so when people ask me what I do.
I start with the fact that I'm a renaissance man.
(37:50):
I don't start with their trade. I don't start with
any of those syings because I want to give you
something bigger, because I am bigger. And then we could
we can date Rashindo into you know, you heard out
with the publicist or whatever that was. But I'm not
going to start there because that's not who I am.
I'm a renaissance man. I'm somebody who's vague, verse and
capable and lots of different ways and lots of different
things I'm you know, It's like I'm a singer, I'm
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an activist, I'm a soccer player, I'm a basketball player,
I'm a tennis player, I'm a multi media mogul. But
I also, you know, love dancing on somebody's daughter, you
know what I mean. I smoke marijuana, all of these
different things, All of those things are who we are.
And I think if we can get our people into
understanding that, really, I think our one and only true
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responsibility in life be is to be all that we are.
And so if so, I start with a broad stroke
so we can bring it in because I want to
and enhance the way other people look at.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Themselves absolutely, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You know they always say like like life is a stage,
and you know, I know you know that too, especially
because you you know, I was surprised didn't know you
were a vocalist at first. Now I remember when you
when I found out. I've seen you out there doing
your thing before, you know, And like they said, they say,
life is a stage, but like, what's the next act
for you? What are you excited about next?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So honestly, you know, interesting that you bought it up
in that way. So for me, it's you know, I've
been a person who's kind of you know, worked side
stage and stuff like that, putting people on stage and
stuff like that. But honestly, for me, what's next is
more this, you know, Like I've definitely kind of been
almost like an enigmatic kind of person for a long time.
(39:22):
It's like sometimes people come up to me and they'll
be like exhausted trying to figure out who I am.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Like, Bro, I've seen you everywhere. Bro, what you do? Bro?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Like And then when people listen to you know, my interviews,
any any podcasts, any features. You know, I've been on
NBC and all these different things, but they really enjoying
my perspective, like the way that I look at life,
and it seems to be something that lands and is
relatable across culture, across generations. So really, for me, next
is sharing more of me with the world, you know,
(39:51):
sharing like you know, from the on the music side,
being a My cousin said that I'm not a motivational speaker.
He says, I'm a directional speaker. So yes, because I
get people, I guess direction you know what I mean.
I guess that is what I do. But a part
of what I'm seeing now, Brandon, is I'm seeing myself,
you know, on the Marquee at State Farm Arena at
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Madison Square Garden, and I'm there as a motivational, directional
speaker and a recording artists. So just imagine you're going
to see Les Brown or Tony Robbins mixed with seeing
Stevie Wonder, you know what I mean, and so that
kind of energy, so you know, the music being a
part of creating conversations about love, about greatness, about you know, forgiveness,
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about healing, about all those things. So so sharing more
of me with the world is a part of what
I think the next phase is for me, that's kind
of been the one that I've kind of kept in
the crop pot of it all, you know, And so
I guess I'm now I'm in a space now where
I'm you know, super duper Whooper connected, you know, people
really really you know, you know, there's a lot of
love outside of these streets for mister Daniel Dickey and
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just kind of harvesting that in a way that gets
to move our peaceep forward. I think, you know, we're
seeing a lot of our legends, our legendary black male voices,
specifically you know, die have unceremonious falls from grace. But
you know, if our black men are going to be
what they see, they need to see more of black
men like me and you so they can have better
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compasses and better north stars to take them to where
they need to be going. I think that, you know,
our frequency around a lot of things right now is
pretty low, you know what I mean. Like, you know,
I think even when we look at what it means
to achieve and nowadays, you know, people they feel like
they're the greatest of all time because they you know,
dug in their nose and rubbed it on their teacher.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Mama told me right exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
They were viral and so now it's like, you know,
and so now they're describing themselves, you know, in the
red carpet like, oh, I'm like you know me, because
you know, if you don't have an egot, who even
are you?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
And so and they're like, oh, you know, I'm like,
you know, who are you? They walk up like you know,
I'm such a big deal, and I'm like, well.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Who are you. It's like, oh, I'm the guy who
wrote the book on my teacher and went viral.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Okay, step out the way, but that's celebrity now, you
know what I mean, Like just you know the most yes,
Like it's so and so it's important for us to
take up more space, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm really proud of you for this and the things
that you're doing, you know, to shine lights on more entities,
more brands, more people, and then also this city, you know,
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because that's important.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
If our next generations are going to be what.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
They see, they need to see folks like me and
you who are sometimes you know, more so going to
lean into being low key and to the side. But
that's not going to help our next generations be what
they need to be. This culture, this country is specifically
dumbing down the minds of black people, you know what
I mean? Because if I can make people aspire to
(42:45):
be a viral sensation for a dance that they'll never
probably focus on knowledge and wisdom and learning and the
things that will be sustainable to any true greatness and excellence.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
So look, before we get out of here, one question
I love to ask people is you know I'm gonna
ask you is if there was a mister Daniel Dickie
billboard in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I'm sure there's probably been another point.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
But again, like this billboard, you could put any message,
any anything you believe in, any mantra, your favorite book.
What would be on the mister Daniel Dickie billboard that
was in Atlanta somewhere?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Hm hmm.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
What would be on a billboard that's such a tough one,
like probably a qrco.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Like too much to even going to you know what
the book going on? That's first some anybody's ever said that,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I mean, Maybe maybe the Kim principle, like just you
know that, like what you know, the Kim principle and
then a QR code, you know what I mean, maybe,
but I don't know. I've never thought about that, you know,
like just yeah, that's not been a thought of mine.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
So that was my knee jerk reaction, like know.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
What I mean, could look, I could change it over
the back end, just staying this and out. Yeah, I'll
put whatever I feel like putting up there exactly. Yes, Yeah,
you need you need this energy, mister Daniel Dicky. You
know they come first of all. You need this energy,
you know, and that Q No, that's that's that's good.
I like that when I'm gonna start using. Look, man,
this has been an amazing conversation. Before we get out here,
please how can people find out more about you? How
(44:21):
can they follow? How can they get in contact with you?
How can they find about the Resource Guild? Like give
them all the things.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
So I am very findable.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think if you type in mister Daniel Dickey on anything,
you'll find me. My Instagram is at mister Daniel Dickie.
The Agency Social is at Resource Guild, and that'll be
pathways to anything that I.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Have going on.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
You can absolutely find those things through mister Daniel Dickey
or the Resource Killed and at Resource guild on socials.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Absolutely, and so I want to say I.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Appreciate you again for you know, for creating this platform,
sharing with me, and sharing with all the other dope
and extraordinary people that have been on the platform.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
And I actually have a question for you got yeah
and so exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
What you got exactly and so and so my question
is what do you see for you in the next
chapter of the Ascension of Brandon Butler and the Butter Brand.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know, man, I was actually it's funny. I was
actually kind of thinking about thinking about that on the
way over here, you know, I mean four four day
is coming up, right, and you know, I was actually
thinking a lot about just what's happened over the last
seven years since I started Butter in five years since
we kind of have been doing full four day, right, Like,
you know, all this started from an Instagram account, and
(45:41):
you know, I have a background in tech. I have
a you know, NBA from Jordia Tech also, And I
remember saying in the early days, They're like, you know,
I didn't I didn't start on Instagram to to I didn't.
I didn't I didn't go to get my NBA from
Tech just to run an Instagram account. So I've always
wanted to kind of be something bigger for me in general.
I've always wanted to make an impact on this city.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I grew up out.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I wasn't born here, but I moved here when I
was like six months old, and I remember growing up,
I would always every Sunday, after I got my first
car and I could drive, I would drive downtown and
I would just drive through the city and say, like,
one day I'm gonna be in those buildings, Like one
day I'm gonna make an impact. And so it's hilarious now,
like now that we're doing this parade and shutting down
p streets, the same shit. I would drive up and
down and be like, one day I'm getting that building.
(46:20):
Like all I've been in all those buildings. Now I've
had meetings and those I've talked to people. So you know,
for me, man, honestly, I just want this to, you know,
continue to kind of grow and be one of the cornerstone,
you know, platforms with things in Atlanta. It's kind of
like built euletnically from the ground up. I think Atlanta
is a very special place. I think that things are
still possible here. It's not perfect obviously, but I just again,
(46:43):
I want to be one of the people that's making
an impact on this city and insane leaving a legacy.
Like I'm really proud to do a lot of the
things I do and for my kids to see me
doing it also, I think it really means a lot
because I'm showing them what's possible. And so yeah, like
I'm you know, I'm just very appreci of all the
support and all the people that I've had a chance.
And I mean, obviously, you know, I want to make
(47:04):
money and do all those things, but like I said,
for me, really I just want to I want to
build things that you know, leave a legacy. I really
believe that Again, if we're you know, we're still doing
four four day and a four or four day parade
and all these things ten years from now, like that's
what matters, right, And I want to be I always
wanted to be a person that created something that kind of,
you know, almost like outlived me in a sense.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Absolutely, I love that for you definitely.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
That's so then my last question, look on your show,
So with all the high functioning things that you're up to,
how do you maintain your balance and your mental health
in the midst of that. Like, I just absolutely know
that black men aren't talking about that enough.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, and so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Look, man, balance is hard. Anybody that tells you that
they are balanced, I think, you know, isn't probably giving
you the whole truth, because especially when you're out here
doing your own thing and just the the ebbs and
flows that come with that. You know, a friend of
mine gave me some advice a long time ago. He said,
a lot of this stuff is like a roller coaster,
it is. You've got to can't get too high. Yeah,
you just kind or too You got to find a
way to kind of stay in the middle. And you know,
(48:04):
we all have good days and bad days, you know.
But I think the thing that's helped me out the
most is therapy. You know, I have a therapist. I've
been seeing her for the last you know, almost two
and a half three years. And you know, even funny
it was the other day, like, because I'm just balancing
so many things right now, really, you know, we had
an appointment. I wasn't gonna get somewhere where I could
be stationary, so I just pulled my car over and
we just did it right there in the car right,
(48:25):
because but I think again, I think what people need
to do is they need to remember you got to
let the air out the balloon sometimes. And you know,
as much as we have our friends that we like
to talk to about our problems and all that stuff,
the thing I've learned more often than not is even
if you tell your friends your problems, the typical advice
you're going to get is, man, you know, niggas be hating.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And I'm like, man, yeah, they do problem, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
And so I think again, like it's easy, it's easy
to just you know, and again we need for and
also too, even when you're dealing about different stuff with
this relationships with people, I think you to be very
careful about what you say you know about people to
other people, especially when you're upset, and so you need
a place, you need a place where you could let
some of that air out the balloon. So for me,
that's the first place I found balance. And then the
(49:13):
other part is you know, again, I just try to
take time. I mean, that's honestly, something I'm still trying
to get better at is figuring out like I don't
really have any hobbies, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Nothing, I mean, like I had. I used to. I
mean I used to play video.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Games and stuff like that, but I got too busy,
you know. But again, what I'm trying to do right
now is be a lot more intentional about hobbies and
doing other things. So I'm in the early stages of
like learning how to play golf again, and you know,
just trying to do things. I think that's just again
just being outside, you know, being active. I used to
play basketball and baseball growing up. But I do think
(49:46):
that again, you know, in general, therapy is really important,
especially if you're you know, high functioning hot before we
got a lot of responsibilities on and I think you
just again, I think you need to do things that
aren't work related. You know, for a long time, I
would say, like my hobby is work.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
That was a terrible thing, literally the most terrible. Yeah,
So like you have to find other things. So that's
something I'm honestly still working on and trying to get better. Okay,
but yeah, I mean the biggest thing that helped me
out is is definitely just you know, having a space
and a forum rocket. You know, like I said, let's
some me out the balloon from time to time, because
if you hold it all in. I know for me personally,
it would manifest physically like my hair would. I would
(50:23):
literally my hair would fall out at certain points. I
mean I would, I would develop back spasms and stuff
like that. So that's your body talking to you. Literally
when that happens, you got to listen. So I would
just advise again anybody that's, you know, trying to I mean,
I think everybody needs it to a certain extent. But
I'll definitely say if you're if you're really out there
trying to do something, you need to find those those
places and forums to like I say, lit air off
(50:44):
the balloon absolutely, because you can't hold all this stuff in.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Like I'm a person who I have lots of hobbies
like I'm because I'm a very active human like so
you know, the sports are definitely like. But then also
I do yoga. I've actually been doing yoga for about
twenty years. I love being outside, grounding, breathing, the affirmations.
Dancing with somebody's daughter specifically, that's a really great one obviously,
(51:12):
you know, dancing with somebody's daughters obviously, you know also
a gateway to perhaps other things with somebody's daughter that
are also very healing. But yeah, like, I appreciate you
having that conversation because I don't think we're doing that
enough as black men. I think that one of the
things we're just not doing is we're not talking. Yeah,
we're not talking to each other, and it's only putting
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us further and further behind a lot of other groups
of people.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yeah, well, look, man, I appreciate you. I appreciate you
being the first guest to ask me a couple of questions.
Somebody's got to do it on the pod, you know
what I'm saying. We'd love to see it. This has
been a great conversation. Thank you for pulling up, sir.
And with that said, we out.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
That's the pod.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
You've been listening to button Nomics and I'm your host,
Brandon Butler. Got comments, feedback? Want to be on the show,
Send us an email today at hello at butteronomics dot com.
Butter Nomics is produced in Atlanta, Georgia at iHeartMedia by
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