July 21, 2021 • 53 mins
It's important to not have fun! It's dangerous! The gals look at the dangers of bouncy castles, trampolines, laughter, and tickling!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
School of Humans. Hi, everyone, and welcome to another episode
of Cadaver Gals. Yes, this is the podcast where we
talk about weird ways that people have died. Totally normal thing,
totally normal hobby to have, right, we should not be worried.
It's okay, I have a therapist appointment tomorrow. I am Mika,
one of your three hosts, along with Taylor Hi Hi
(00:31):
and Gabye Hi. Yeah. Yeah, that's how you pronounce That's
how you pronounce her name. Godbye, Hi, Gabye hib So.
On today's show, we're going to be exploring how laughing
as a scary scary thing and why bouncy castles are
actually omens of death. Oh yes, so, as always, we
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have some trigger warnings because for some reason some people
find death triggering. Um so today it's heart failure, racism,
death flying in the air, and torture you know us. Yes, yes,
if you listen to this in the mornings, like on
your commute, what is wrong with you? Okay, I'm kidding,
(01:16):
Thank you so much for listening. And on that note,
can you all get her music? So, Taylor, a little
clown told me you have I'm kidding, I'm scared of clubs. Um,
(01:40):
but someone in my heart you told me that you
have a story to tell. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about
this in our meeting earlier this week. No, we don't
do meetings. This is all input of yes and off
the cuff. This is a super off the cuff. I
have not planned this at all. Yeah, we're spontaneous, cool girls. Okay.
(02:01):
So Maurice Agis he was an art teacher and a
British sculptor, which is really hard to say, back to back.
British sculpture anyway, British sculpture. No, it's not okay, No,
I thank you, Gabby, gabbaye, gabbye. It's hot. Wow, it's
(02:23):
Tyler's still right, Okay, shut up. So sculptor, you think
like you know, stone or like ice sculpture, That's what
I think of. You know, this is a different kind
of sculpture. He created what he called these dream spaces,
and they were meant to be kind of like a
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hallucination that you experience with like your whole body. So
lots of bright colors, weird music. It's just kind of
like an immersive art installation that sounds like a I mean,
I can just imagine that pitch meeting of like that project.
So it's like an immersive experience somewhere dinner, dear, and
(03:06):
then they just give him money. I mean adult swim
would say yes in a heartbeat, so yeah, yeah, exactly,
and I mean it kind of. He started doing this
in the sixties with this other fellow. I can't remember
his name, but um Bruce. Yeah. I think it was
like maybe Peter or something like that. But anyway, he
started with a pe um penis. Peter's the only one
(03:27):
I could think of, Gabby. Why would a man be
called penis? Okay, here's my theory. If I was ever
named Richard, I wouldn't go buy dick. I would go
buy penis because that's, oh my gosh, that's such a
pussy move. Go buy penis. Okay. I feel like penis
isn't even that use anymore though, Now you use dick
or cock more. So wouldn't it actually be better to
(03:49):
be called penis or ding dong? How? How how have
we gotten here literally talking about art and you're like penis, Yes,
that's that's what we're going to talk about, Taylor. If
you don't have all the facts, I'm going to fill
them in with some nonsense. You're to fill them in
a wink. All right, all right, all right, let's refocus.
(04:12):
So anyway, in the sixties, so he was you know, hallucination, psychedelics,
all that was a thing. So he created these. They're
kind of like an inflatable bouncy castle meets like a
fun house. There's like a lot of bright colors. Like
you remember those things as like parachute things when you
were a kid in gym class? Oh yeah, what was
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like the point of those? I still don't know. Teamwork? Okay,
got it. I also imagine if you farted in one
of those, well everyone was underneath literally, Gabby, No, I
know it's good. But see, when I was a kid,
I was kind of a big I was a husky girl,
and like I was prone to farting, and so I
hope I never did, but I couldn't be too sure, y'all.
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Young Gabby is so cute. Young Gabby is so sad.
Oh you know, the other day I looked in the
mirror and I thought of my younger self, my self child,
my inner child, and I said, of crying, rolling it
back in. So we're talking about like happy sculptures and
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art installations that are like kind of psychedelic and hallucinogenic anyway,
So a lot of people have described them kind of
like honeycombs, and like if you have the trypophobia, I
feel like it would be a little bit triggering because
like it's kind of like it does look like a
honeycomb and like anyway, and and other people have described
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it like a womb. All of these descriptions are really
not that cute and doesn't sound appealing to me, but
they're actually they look fun. Anyway, We'll show pictures on
our Instagram, don't you worry. And so the people like
when you go in, like they give you these parachute
like smock things. They're like really colorful, and you like
put on this smock and then you go in and
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you just kind of like explore this bouncy castle slash
sculpture slash immersive experience or whatever. These structures are actually
pretty big. I saw very very conflicting sizes, so I'm
not even going to try and pretend to say how
big they are, but they could at least they could
hold at least thirty people comfortably. It also had like
a wheelchair ramp solid enough for that so that kind
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of gives you a picture. They were pretty big. Where
were these set usually parks, you know, anywhere there wasn't
enough land, but like like in the west coast, Like
where was he were in England? Yes, my brain is
working today, right, we're in England. Of course we are
the West coast of England. I don't know why I
thought this was like a Coachella thing. You know, well
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they did installations like all over Europe and I do
think that one went to La at one point, so
so there you go, to be fair. Yeah, it sounds
like burning Man. Yeah exactly. It reminds me a little
bit of like an installation that would be in Maowel
or something, which if you don't know what that is,
a look at up because it is awesome. We're just
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showing how like Ard we are. Like we're just naming
off things that has yea with maybe the least arty
because I said Coachella. Anyway, my favorite artists retreat is Coachella.
Oh god, okay, anyway, So two thousand and six, at
this point, Maurice has done has been doing these for years.
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People love them, grew to be quite the exciting attraction.
But as you know, this is not a podcast about
success and happy stories. So on July twenty second in
two thousand and six, it was a routine art installation
in chester Le Street Riverside Park in Durham, England, and
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this was you know, it was supposed to be there
for a while. So what they would do at night
is they would deflate it. They had security guards to
like watch it or whatever, and then it was supposed
to be there for like the rest of the month.
So forty some odd people are queuing up to enjoy
the dream space five when they all hear a loud snap.
(08:02):
Oh good, yep, that's not a good sign. So the
straps that are tying the structure down break loose. With
thirty people inside, they're going to go on a real
adventure now, you know. So the forty people in line
are like, oh, that's not good. So they rushed to help.
So nice, so nice of them, But a gust of
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wind comes and they were no match for the gust
of wind and this giant structure. And so if the
structure like flips over on its side and like is
dragging some of these forty people, mind you, thirty people
are inside. It flips on its side, so people just
start ping ponging everywhere inside. Oh no, So after that,
like there's another gust of wind and it lifts up
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the entire structure thirty feet in the air. Thirty feet
thirty people scay, a f thirty feet is like very long.
Let's have very high. Yeah, what about these gusts of winds?
That's that's more than a gust. That sounds like what's
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the next thing above a gust? I don't know. Well,
it's funny because she said that it wasn't like a
windy day. They said that, you know, they're saying that
like it was just a weird yeah, like there, you know,
it was like an inflatable structure. So like it's like
it got up under those and so like the it
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already had air going into it and just like it
had the assistance of the bouncy of the air pumps
or whatever. You know. I think that there might be
like like maybe trampolines and bouncy castles. Anger God, because
I was reading what trampolines for this story and the
same thing happened with um a person was on a
trampoline and a gust of wind randomly happened and it
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killed them. Wow, did you just try and do your
tangent in the middle of my story. I'm so sorry.
I know it's not even a part of my tangient
because it was too sad. Continue to okay, I still
mention that. So eventually it's in the air, it hits
a CCTV poll which broke its flying wherever trajectory it
was going, and comes crashing down onto concrete. This whole
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incident was really about a minute, but people described the
scene and this is horrific, like laughter and fun of
like being in this, you know, having a good time
to just screams of horror. But a sixty eight year
old woman and a thirty three year old fell dropped
to their deaths. Thirteen others were very seriously injured. Fire
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police teams rushed to the scene trying to get everyone
out of the installation because they're like in these like
like wormhole type things. There was one child that was
airlifted out. They survived, thank goodness, to an innestotis that
was at the park and was able to like stabilize
stabilize them until they got them to the hospital. But
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obviously after that they had to they secured the area
and they have to do like an investigation because they're like,
why did this happen? This is really weird. This guy's
been doing this for years. So they kind of, you know,
they went back. They realized that, you know, all of
the safety measures were taken the night before, deflated properly,
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it was safely guarded throughout the night until the next day. However,
they did say that there was perhaps some vandalism and
because it had been the structure had been slashed like
two weeks prior, but like they did all of the
safety checks and everything like that, and so it was
like cleared for you. So they were like, I mean,
there was no like necessarily any negligence there. Well, Maurice
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was arrested for suspicion of manslaughter. At first, wait, Maurice
the sculpture, Yes, the guy who created this installation. Why
would he do that to his own creation? Exactly? He
was later released. They were like no, So then a
trial happens, and that is where he's charged with breaching
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of the Health and Safety at Work Act and was
fined ten thousand pounds. He was like very clearly distraught
and upset. He was. It's obviously like a freak accident,
but he said that he was never going to make
one of these structures again. So I kind of feel
bad for him. That was like his life's work and
then this horrible, just freak accident, like he'd done it
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a zillion times before anyway. So three years after the incident,
it's like, you know how long investigations and trials and
all that stuff takes. So like six months after the
trial or something, in two thousand and nine, Maurice passes
away at the age of seventy seven. I didn't find
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like how he died, but they put his ashes in
like four colorful urns and then so you know, just
kind of like to honor him. There's no official verdict
on the manslaughter charges, but obviously seems like it does
seem like manslaughter to me. But it was a very tragic, horrific, awful, awful,
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awful event that was very traumatizing for a lot of people,
and they never found out like what the reason was.
It was just some freak accident. It was just like
some freak accident. They were I mean, I guess they
were just saying, you know, like they could have taken
extra percaustions, but like, I mean, it was cleared to
be used, but obviously, like somebody kind of has to pay,
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which is a little bit ridiculous, but you know, there
has to be some sort of like I feel like
in a lot of instances, there has to be some
sort of resolution because otherwise, you know, there's all these
victims that are like what do I, like, what do
I have to blame? Or like what do I who
can I be mad at or something? I don't know.
That's so sad on all accounts. That's just so sad.
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I just can't imagine being in a bouncy castle type thing,
end it flying away. I don't ever want to be
in the bouncy castle industry. And it's clown adjacent, so
you never know what's going to happen, so you have
to watch out. Well exactly. Yeah, that's what makes it cursed. Well, Taylor,
thank you so much for this, you know, this sad story.
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You're welcome. Honestly, I would I would have gone into
one of those bouncy castles because actually that's really interesting.
So I'm sad he's not doing well he passed away,
but when he's not doing them anymore because people died
and he was like, all right, that's enough of that.
I mean, he had been doing it a while, like
he kind of started. I can't I couldn't tell if
he like started this style of works in the sixties
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or if he started these bouncy castles. They kind of
became more popular in like the eighties, eighties, nineties, and
obviously the two thousands. So um, yeah, the amount of
drugs people probably did inside of those bouncy castles is just,
you know, fascinating to me. I mean, yeah, he wanted
it to be like a psychedelic experience. So when we
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come back, you know, I'll do my little tangent And
it really has nothing to do with Taylor's story, but
it starts with tea, and that's all that matters. BRB. Hello,
welcome back to cadaver Gals. Now call me a traditionalist.
Starts with tea. Hey, traditionalist. You're a traditionalist. Okay, yeah,
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traditional you're giving us instructions? Yeah, okay, anyway, Um, call
me a traditionalist, but I personally think that our fragile
human bodies should not be submitted two hours upon hours
of bouncing. That is not really what Taylor's story was about.
But who're gonna go on this journey, and surely people
were bounced around in there. Surely, surely people were. And
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I think excessive bouncing is a thing that can actually
be really dangerous. Okay, and I have proof, Okay, the same,
very passionate about this, Nika. Have there been times where
you've been bounced around a little bit too much, you know,
around a little too too much, too fast. It's very funny, Taylor.
It's funny because as we call moving around sex in
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this podcast. And yes, okay, this is a personal vendetta. Okay,
this is my joker origin story. I have proof. For example,
in twenty twelve, the American Academy of Pediatrics actually publicly
stated that they discouraged with a capital D, the use
of trampolines, calling them dangerous with a capital D and
(16:27):
a high risk environment. Okay, okay, uh huh. And trampoline
stunts are a leading cause of cervical spine injuries, according
to the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons. I know and
I personally have a memory of being on a trampoline,
trampoline and around bouncing, having a good time. I was
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in Australia and then I hit my head so hard
on the edge of it, and I remember just like
feeling like this numbness over my head and like its horrible.
It just felt really bad, and then I just got
out a concussion. I don't know. We've already figured out
on this podcast that I have had two concussions and
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have never gotten treated for them. Anyway, this sounds like
a third. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a third anyway.
So that's why I have certain feelings about trampolines and
jumping around. Okay, I when I was a kid, we
had a trampoline, and I mean, it had a net
around it, but I was like, this is how I'm
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gonna like break something. Like I just knew that it
was like inevitable. I didn't, but like I just felt
like it was inevitable that it was gonna hold on.
How are you scared trampolines but not horses. Horse injuries
are like a very real thing. Because I'm a really
talented horseback rider. I'm kidding. I think we should ride
on the beach, you know, like a raw flooring commercial. Anyway,
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And one more factuid about the dangers of trampolining before
I get into the history of trampolining. Okay, yeah, thank you.
Is that according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, which,
by the way, those are the people that also banned
and directs, so I don't necessarily trust them fully, But
one hundred and twenty thousand hospital visits to the r
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in the US were the direct results of trampoline accidents.
Trampolines have a vendetta on humans. They are coming to
get us. They have already gotten us. Okay, they already
got us, Yeah they did. And you know who is
responsible for all of this? God, um, let me say it,
Ronald Reagan. No, I say, sir, tramps a lot. No,
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this man called George Nisson, who actually dried pretty recently
at ninety six in two thou and ten. So he
lived a long life, which means we can talk bad
about him. So I'm kidding. So he and his co
conspirator Larry Griswold invented the trampoline in nineteen thirty six,
a very recent invention, mind you. So this the way
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you're talking about this reminds me of your adversion to uh,
what are they not golden doodles? Oh, labordoodles, the spawns
from hell? Yeah? No, you look into their faces. You
know that is not a dog inside of there. You
know what I mean, They're a little same passion. You
have the same passion for this, because I'll never forget
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when I hit my head really hard in Australia. Did
I keep trampolining? Yes? Would I trampoline today? I would
be tempted. I would be tempting. Lad Also injure you
no terrible labradoodle trampoline incident. Literally every labordoodle I've ever
met has just been really nice to me, and I'm like,
I hear you like that? How cute the idea of
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a labordoodle bouncing around on a trampoline with his little
hair like fluffing about. Oh so cute. Okay, thanks for
the nightmares. So yes, they invented the trampoline in nineteen
thirty six. We are doing a quick history on this
death device with Nika because I didn't know what other
tension to do. But it's actually quite interesting, so hear
me out. Nissen was a gymnast and a diver, and
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Griswold was also a gymnast and also Nissen's coach. And
in nineteen thirty nis And was watching circus people do
circus things and was like, hmm, that's really cool. Something
popped into his nagen. He was sixteen at the time.
And then in nineteen thirty four, Nisson observed the contraptions
that trapeze artist would make with this like sheet of
canvas and then they would use it to like bounce
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off of during their performances, and he was like, hmm,
there's something here. So Nisson and Griswold built the first
trampoline prototype and then in nineteen thirty six started making
and selling them commercially, and of course the idea took
off because okay, who doesn't want to be in the air,
flying around giggling with childlike joy? Right? Okay, apparently everyone
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so don't know what they're thinking about, but whatever, So
they basically stole it from the circus. Yes, they stole
the idea. Wow, Yes, and everyone wanted a trampoline for
their backyard, okay. And Nisson was a hustler, Okay, he
loved trampoline ing and gymnastics, and he would tour around
the US both performing and also promoting his new contraption.
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And then he served in the Navy, where he met
air pilots and he convinced the Air Force to use
trampolines as a way of reorienting themselves while in air.
So these military men, like very seriously would be jumping
on trampolines as actual training because it was said that
it helped them to re orient themselves well in the
air and also to forget about being scared of heights. Okay, okay,
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I know. And also NASA used them and still uses trampolines,
which I think is fascinating and really funny because apparently
the weightless feeling of jumping on trampoline is similar to
space travel. Oh we've done space travel, you guys. How exciting?
I mean, yeah, yeah, I guess basically. And so yeah, Nissen,
like you know, went through every branch of the US
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commercial system, you know, yeah, NASA, you got the military,
you have families and their children, and also the Olympics.
It became him a thing anyway, So he continued promoting
trampolines after the war, right, and he would create marketing
stints like jumping on a trampoline around the pyramids in
Egypt or taking a picture jumping with a kangaroo. And
he has said that jumping with the kangaroo was really
hard because the kangaro would jump higher than him and
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he would try to like hit him, and so he
just had to get close enough for the picture. He
honestly seems like a pretty cool guy. Like to be fair,
he had to stop manufacturing trampolines commercially in the eighties
because he kept getting sued from the constant injuries and
accidents that happened from trampoline ing, which is my point exactly, Okay,
but he always continued with a sport even after he stopped,
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you know, manufacturing them commercially, and he actually got to
see it become an official Olympic sport in two thousand.
So honestly, good for him. Like, I don't have any
any any bad blood toward him, you know. And it's
everywhere now, you know. I mean I don't I don't
really think about trampolines a lot, but they're there, you
know what I mean, Like they're in the backyards and
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the Olympic and the military. Even in fitness classes. Okay,
Kate Beck can say, who has wonderful arms and honestly
a pretty toned ass body is a big proponent of
the classes called rebounding, which is basically just a trampoline workout.
Have you heard of this workout? Yes? There, have you
done it? No? It kind of very much scares me.
Apparently this journalist from Elite Daily, they wrote a story
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about it entitled it I Tried. I tried a trampoline
gym class and basically almost died in twenty and sixteen
because it was it was big in two thousand and sixteen,
and then with the lockdown that happened because of COVID,
it also became big again because you could just buy
your mini trampoline and do it, you know, at home
with videos and stuff like that. So you know, it
sounds interesting, It sounds She mentioned that it was kind
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of cultish because in order to stay on the trampoline
and not die, you basically have to laser focus on
yourself and look at yourself like dead in the eyes
in the mirror and just focus on not following and
like work for forty five minutes and it apparently hurts
really bad. Like it's actually a really good workout, but
it doesn't sound safe, and that's it was. Trampoline are
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like kind of small. I am afraid of like missing
and like rolling my ankle fall, so exactly. Yeah, and
also I mean what I try it? Yes, I would,
of course, but still doesn't seem safe. And before I
end my tangent to give credit where credit is due,
lots of iterations of the commercial trampling were created before Nissan,
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including like Inuit people who toss blanket dancers in the
air off of walrus skin because it's elastic and bouncy,
and they do that during a spring festival that they
have to celebrate the end of whaling season. And then
also there is evidence that it might have been used
during medieval times as a mob punishment device called blanketing,
which is actually a form of hazing today. So real
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fun google wormholes that I went down on, you know,
down on, down through and did not out. Okay, oh no,
I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm
a little bit sick, so you can imagine my brain
mush right now. But that's the history of trampoline's You're
welcome everyone. You now know more things about you know,
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white men inventing things, more things than you did before. Yes,
and that's the important thing. The things said four times, Gabby,
I know you have something to relieve me of my misery. Um. Yeah, yeah,
by definitely, it's it's gonna be relieved. Well, we're going
to continue thinking about things that we enjoy and then
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making them worse, so spline, bouncy castles, etc. Etca. Okay,
So we're also in England at this point, you know,
and it's March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy five. Nope, yes,
that's what it is. And we're in King's Lynn, England,
(25:55):
and there's a fifty year old dude named Alex Mitchell
and he's watching the TV okay, and he's specifically have
y'all done this before, you said, yeah, this is a
relatable story. Have you also been a fifth year old,
you know, white man who you know is probably mostly Scottish? Yeah?
(26:16):
Literally think god No. And so this dude, Alex, he's
watching The Goodies, which is a show that I didn't
know about, but it was a big cultural institution basically,
not really cultural institution that makes it sound like it
was a good show, but basically it was on for
like twelve years on the BBC. Um and it featured
three dudes who were kind of contemporaries to Monty Python.
(26:38):
So it was another like comedy show lots of slapstick humor,
very very silly British humor. It's so weird. It's very
different from like American humor. Yeah, British humor is like
I don't know, they go and that, it's like they
hit themselves with like a mouse trapping and they're like,
you know, and then you're like ha ha ha ha,
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And I'm just like, no one does that in America.
No one's ever done that, you know. Anytime I see
British humor, I've always go hippooty dippoty ah. That's good, Taylor,
that's my favorite. I rewatched an episode of the Simpsons
last week after not watching it for literally, like I
think decades. At this point, you haven't been you've hardly
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been alive for a decade. Taylor. You can actually go
put your face into the pillow and not speak anyway.
It's on a trampoline, Taylor, with the biggest insults anyway.
All that to say didn't really hold up all too
well for me personally. Yeah, um, same with this television program.
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And but I also don't want to poo poo it
because I also understand it's, you know, an important part
of comedy. You know whatever. But still it's very it's
a very very silly show. But Alex, he's enjoying the
heck out of the episode that he's watching. He's laughing,
having a grand old time, you know, almost for the
entire episode. Some people say he was like laughing just
(28:01):
the whole time, the whole twenty five minutes. But then
suddenly during the television TV show, he fainted and then
he started breathing funny according to his daughter and his
wife who were with him at the time, and then
he died. What yeah, my goodness, British humor. So he
goes from laughing a bunch to then dying upon the ground. Okay,
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his death makes headlines across the world, and it's definitely
framed as the man who laughed himself to death. The
show was so gosh dang funny that he had heart failure.
That's basically what everyone thinks happened. Is that confirmed? Well,
we might get there a little bit later. Darren, Darren, Darren.
But okay, here's the thing. I'm a big risk taker.
(28:52):
So I looked at the episode that he was watching
and I watched it. Oh no, are you okay? Oh
my god, I am still here to this day. Okay, listener,
I'm alive as of whatever day. This is goodness. You
should have told and me like done, like when you're
watching yeah, but don't do it. They're watching the team. Well,
(29:17):
I decided to take a risk. Um I you know,
I looked around. I thought it. I thought I would
be safe because I thought, you know, humor subjective and
we might have a different sense of humor, and indeed
we do. I am different from a man in the seventies.
But I watched the episode of the Show's very silly.
So they have like the three main dudes who started
who you made the show, and they're also the stars
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of the show, and they basically have like three different
personality types. One is like this, um, he's you know,
a big fan of the ruling class and doesn't have
a chin basically, which is kind of funny with British people.
But then there's also a guy who's like a middle
class scientist and this other guy who's kind of like
this more like hippieish anarchist type person. But they basically
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it starts off in a very fun way of like
two of them are doing kung fu and the doing
some really fun Chinese impressions, very fun yi. So yeah,
and then this other guy comes in and he's like,
you guys are shit at kungku. I know this other
type of fighting called ecky thump um, And then it's
(30:20):
a very silly type of fighting that he learns in
northern England where this special trick move is you take
a piece of black pudding, which is like nasty black sausage,
and you just hit people over the head with it. Okay,
So that's the whole fighting thing, and then it gets
better because then he fights all these other varieties. He
fights them while they're doing kung fu. There's also they
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make up this weird French dial where they just hit
people with baggetts. But then the black pudding comes in.
And the best part, you know, that we just loved
was there was black face and so they dressed up
as a boxer in black face and they also hit
them with the pudding and anyway, so just some fun
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nineteen seventy five, you know. But this is the part
that they say that Alex was laughing. The most at
which I do appreciate is that they do have a bagpiper,
so Scotsman who gets hit in the head with a boomerang,
and apparently that's the funniest part in Alex andself. I
hate bagpipers here and boomerangs, like, but Alex himself was
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like Scottish and like a proud scott and he thought
that was the funniest part. And I'm like, it's great
that he's like laughing at himself. Basically, you know, I
think we could all take, you know, a note from
Alex there, because like we should be able to laugh
at ourselves. Okay, being hit with a boomerang. I do
think that stuff is like funnier when you are like
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things that make me laugh is like when I see
myself in it and like that's making fun of me.
I'm like, oh my god, I do that. This is ridiculous.
Oh no, Like and then I'm laughing at myself at
how do ya do you like all of our horsecroll jokes, Taylor?
Nor continue with your story anyway, So learning lessons laugh
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at yourself. It's healthy, okay, And also this was kind
of fun. So his wife after he died, actually sent
a letter to the Goodies and was like, hey, thank
you for making the last twenty five minutes of my
husband's life so enjoyable. I wouldn't be like, you murdered
my husband. Yeah. Yeah. Thinking about that in contemporary times,
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I feel like that would be more likely the response,
especially in America. As we know, America is a place
where we sue everyone, So I'm sure they would try
to sue a sketch group for making someone laugh too hard.
You know, you're so problematic, you made people laugh too hard?
You shouldn't do that. Um. I get told that all
the time. Okay, Um, here's the thing? Is laughing dangerous?
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Like is this a thing that's like happened? You know?
Throughout time have people like actually are They're like because
you know they'll always be like laughter is the best medicine,
but like, wait a second, you know what can it
do that is bad? You know? And so these fucking
little these like fucking Debbie Downers. They did aid study
where they collected a bunch of studies from the forties
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to like twenty thirteen, and they all these studies were
about laughter, and they were basically trying to ascertain what
could be the negative health effects of laughing. Like what
a fucking what a project? Like, how did they pitch
that project? You know, fun police, Yeah exactly. But they
did find fifteen bad things that can happen when you laugh.
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You can faint, irregular heartbeat, cardiac rupture, You could accidentally
choke on something because if you inhale something while you're laughing,
you can have asthma, increased risk for lung collapse. You
can pee yourself. Yeah, that is actually one of the
negative ones. I say, peeing your pants, which I'm like,
that's not a health effect, that's just embarrassing, you know,
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like all of these things could happen too if you're
not laughing. That's true. But one thing they did which
I thought was interesting was they're like, hey, yeah, these
are fifteen bad things, but there's actually like tons of
benefits of laughing, like reducing stress, anxiety, et cetera, you know,
not being actually yeah, and they said but this was
like funny because they said it could be great for
obesity because if you laugh, you know, have a hearty
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laugh for the whole day, then you can like burn
two thousand calories. But I'm like, who's having a hearty
laugh the whole fucking day? Like are you just gonna
laugh for eight hours? Like what the hell? We just
need to hang out with Gabby Moore, and I'll lose
weight because then you'll succumb to my trash diet, which
is just whatever is available, and that's usually like a
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cheesy bread, you know, cheesy. How are you always surrounded
by cheesy bread. I don't understand it to find the
right cheesy bread, but I guess it just finds you.
It finds me, you know. Um, I just like a
house it for people and then they just have that
in the freezer, you know, they've had it in there
for a long time. And I'm like, well, I'll be
the one who eats this cheesy bread. Okay, that's my responsibility. Yeah,
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I'm a good house sitter. I eat your cheesy bread. Okay,
but people, I'd tell that to people. If they have
cheesy bread, I'm going to eat it. Okay. Also, this
was funny, Okay, one benefit of laughing which sounds fake,
but it says that there are higher pregnancy rates after
in vitro fertilization. When a clown joke with would be mothers,
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that seems fake, like basically people getting IVF and they're
like this clown made them laugh and then it took
hold better that sounds fake as hell? But how many? Yeah,
I mean if can also again work or it doesn't work,
you know what I mean, Like there are two options.
So but they said if you have a clown present,
it might work back. How many times has a clown
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been present? Is this like a thing that people do.
I had a clown near me and I had some
kind of sperm around me, I would shoot the sperm
out of my vagina out of fear. Ever made me laugh.
Clowns are just not funny. Sorry, clown clowns out there,
It's true clowns. Clowns have also never made me laugh.
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What is funny about a person? It's like wearing a
weird outfit and like on purpose, like they're trying to
too hard, you know, like do less, do less. That's
that's the problem with clowns. They have too many props,
you know, clown and face pussy right anyway, choose. It's
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all too much like too many colors. I don't know.
But okay, so that seems fake, but maybe who knows. Okay,
just if you are getting iva, maybe bring a clown
with you, um, just to be safe, okay, yeah, or
just take your husband for free? Can you explain a
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joke that means it's good um okay, okay, but okay,
so they did it. But anyway, so Alex who was
watching the TV show who died after laughing. They didn't
know for a long time when it happened. They were
just assumed it was some sort of like heart failure.
But then in twenty twelve, his grand daughter had like
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a cardiac problem. The same thing that had happened to
him happened to her where she suddenly fainted and then
started having all these like heart problems and then she
had to be induced into a coma afterwards. And she
was only twenty three when this happened, and yeah, watch out, Nika.
But it was interesting that this happened because then it
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helped them. She did survive. But then because of like
her problem, they were able to diagnose what likely happened
to her grandfather, and they discovered that she had long
QT syndrome, which is usually a genetic disorder that gets
passed down and it's a heart rhythm condition that can
sort of make your heart beat in an irregular or
like too fast kind of way, and so like if
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you're excited or scared or have heightened emotions laughing or
even if you're exercising, watch out, Nika, you might fain,
have a seizure, and then because of the heart problems,
then you could potentially die. So they assumed because he
had fainted, and fainting is like the main sign of
how long QT syndrome, that's probably what happened to him.
So they solved the mystery. Only how many years later? Math?
(38:15):
Thirty forty years later? About gap? You do the math?
I don't want to. I always think it's so interesting
when like years and years and years and years and
years later things are solved. Yeah, but you know sometime
it takes time, y'all. And there are a few others.
So it does seem if you have a heart condition,
that's probably you know when you might die from laughing.
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But there's been like a few other silly cases throughout history.
There is in the fifth century, there is this painter
who they say he died after laughing so much because
he had painted Aphrodite in a really funny way, because
this old woman who had commissioned the painting had insisted
that she modeled for it. So he apparently laughed himself
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to death about how silly his painting looked that could
be fake. And then we have a third century philosopher.
He died of laughing after he saw a donkey eating
his figs. So I mean, donkeys are pretty funny, so
that makes sense. They are funny, They're so cute, so cute.
And then in fourteen ten, a king of Aragon he
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laughed himself to death. But it might have also been
after his jester told him a joke. But it also
might have been an indigestion problem, So make sure you're
laughing on an empty stomach, okay. And then this one
was really funny because it's very relatable. Is in nineteen twenty,
this Australian man died after he was laughing because he
was like reading the paper and he I think he
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was just aghast from the years of nineteen fifteen to
nineteen twenty how much prices had risen on certain commodities.
So he was laughing so much at you know, which
I feel like I laughed too when I look at
like housing prices, I'm like ha. So he made a
remark to his wife about how prices so much more
than he apparently died after he was laughing about capitalism.
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So I mean, I get that I'm laughing right now.
How I went from a hybrid to like an suv
and the gas prices have gone up so much. I'm like, wow,
I'm done, So watch out, Taylor. That might be a
laughing you know. The laughing out of desperation is also
a way you can laugh and lead to death. I
feel like that's how I laugh a lot. Is trying
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to not cry. Yeah, you're just like, oh my god,
life is so bad. That's what we do on this show.
So anyway that is watch out, guys, you know, laugh
and moderation. That's all I can say. Also, make sure
you don't have a heart condition. I hope we're not
too funny for everyone too. But I also like this
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episode so far because it's like having fun like Bountycastle,
trampoline laughing. We can't do any of those things anymore exactly.
Thank you, Gabby. Wow, oh another thing to be scared of.
Am I right? I'm a right guy. Okay O my
heart No? That oh that scratchy sound was my throat. Okay,
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when we come back, you know, another tangent that's kind
of not about this. But we do what we can.
We do what we can Okay, stick around, bitch, love you.
You know that was such a funny story. Um Um,
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what's really fun about this is that I also have
a things that should be fun but are actually bad
tangent to go on. So with your blessing, I think
I'm gonna go on it. Okay, yeah, well I feel
like this is like slightly related. If you're doing what
I think you're doing, so I think it makes sense.
I think our tangent is winky winky good. I love
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it good. Okay, Well, you know I love to laugh
as much as the next person, but laughing by being
tickled is not really my Actually that is a lie.
I don't know why the funk I wrote this. I
love being tickled? What the heck? What? Anyway? I hate it?
You hate being tickled? It's like such an invasion of
it in space. Well, it has to be consensual, Like
(42:25):
I I love the idea of being tickled, but only
by a very select group of people, and there needs
to be some kind of safe word because it can
also get very overwhelming, as I will explain the reason why.
But you just don't like so mad really, just because
it like I have this this dumb reaction of laughing
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does not mean that I'm enjoying it. Where do you
like getting tickle? Taylor? No, I don't don't tickle me ever,
But where are you tickers? No? No, I won't do it.
I'm not like, I'm not an assaulter who I'm like
a British comedian one of Okay, I'll tell you one.
One of the things that annoys me the most, well,
(43:06):
my dad used to do this like grab like grab
your like just above your knee. You know that's a
very yeah, that's a very sense. It makes me. It
makes me. I mean, don't ever do because I'll just
kick you. But m Taylor's hey, I feel like ticklings.
Ticklings like the final frontier of like consent, you know,
(43:26):
because I feel like people don't usually ask for consent
about it, and we like people tickle children. I'm like,
those children probably don't like it because the whole time
you're being tickled, all your yelling is stop stop stop,
But you're like, yeah, stop though, she really likes it.
And what she'll do, I guess I figured this out.
She'll like, she'll go on these like little ransmore. She'll
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be like get me, get me, and she'll say get me, Taylor,
and so then she just wants me to like chase
her and then tickle her. That's embarrassing. That's literally how
I am. Gabby. Do you like being tickled? What do
you think? No? Absolutely not. I like to tickle people,
(44:10):
but I have never been with I'm sorry. Okay, here's
the imagining, Gabby. Tickli someone is like imagining a big
octopus tickling so like I can't see it in my brain.
A big octopus. That's how you think about me. I
don't know what that means, but I appreciate it. Thank you.
Um Like you're enveloping, is what I'm saying. Well, I
do the thing where it's like, you know, people have spots,
(44:32):
so I'll just like jab them in this ticklish spot,
you know, like in the rist I'm just jabbed with
my eight tentacles. Okay, but anyway, anyway, so Gabby sent
me this link like literally last night because she knew
I had not done my research yet. Thank God, about
about being tickled. And apparently there's this thing called tickle torture,
(44:52):
which I am not surprised at all, but here it is.
I feel like tickling is torture, so I understand. I
also said that to you because it seemed like you
would enjoy it, enjoy Thank you so much, Gabby. Um. So,
it apparently began in ancient China during the Hand dynasty,
and it was used because it didn't leave any marks
that the victims had to recover from, and so it
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was also especially used on royalty because obviously looks were
very important back then and being seen as like untouchable
or like, you know, no blemishes were a big deal.
So tickle torture was actually kind of the perfect way
of torturing people. And then it also, yeah, it would
also was a thing in ancient Rome, and what they
would do there that was a very specific thing. They
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would dip the criminals feet in like salty water and
then have a goat lick it off until like they
couldn't take it anymore, it's not so bad. And so
then obviously it would start off kind of ticklish at first,
you know, you're the goat licking your feet, and then
it would become excruciatingly painful and then they'd cry, but
they would also continue laughing while they were being restrained.
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Kind of hilarious, it's very funny. And then also it
was a thing also in ancient Japan, so you know,
first centuries this has been a thing, and it's just
fascinating to me. And I was kind of reading about
it because what I had to, well I had to,
but also it honestly really interested me, like what causes
this much stress when you're getting tickled? Why is it
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actually torture? And it seems like when you're tickled, what
reacts is this part of the brain called the hypothalamus,
and that's the area in your brain that is in
charge of emotional reactions, and that is very stimulated when
you're being tickled, and so in regardless of whether you
enjoy it or not, the response is an immediate emotional response,
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so you'll still be laughing uncontrollably, like even if you're
not enjoying it, which is so very the very frustrating
thing about being tickled and consent and that whole thing.
And there's evidence that pain receptors are triggered during tickling,
which can lead to severe overstimulation if it's done against
your will, obviously, and then if it's done for a
prolonged period of time. Some people have reported vomiting, loss
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of consciousness, or major difficulty breathing because they're laughing so
hard from being tickled or asking to stop, and so yes,
of course, like it has led to death of it,
of course it has. I mean, you know, there was
this man, specifically Joseph Cahoot, who was a prisoner of
the Nazis in World War Two for being homosexual, and
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he witnessed someone being tickled to death in a concentration camp,
which is obviously disgusting, and it was also used as
torture more recently by a group of women in Mayotte,
which is this overseas department of France. They did this
torture technique in nineteen sixty six against men who were
opposed to their political views to get them to sway
in their views basically and do whatever they wanted. And
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there was also I read about this person who I
think it was like the nineteen hundreds or something. He
was a doctor at a like psychiatry ward and this
man was strapped in and basically this doctor was bored
and took off the socks of the patient and was
tickling the patient to like the patient basically lost consciousness,
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and then also gave the patient of bloody nose. And
then the doctor was found doing that and had a
trial and I think he was guilty. So but it's
been a thing like people love the power dynamic of tickling,
which is so bad. Like that's like that would be
like a liberal way at a torture, Like I want
you to be, you know, to tickle conservatives and to
be like I'm gonna conservatives and too being liberal. Yeah,
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what a silly like I want you to be. It's silly,
it seems silly, but like it can be really bad.
There was also the study that I read about where
these researchers interviewed one hundred and fifty adult siblings about
kind of if they ever felt abused by their siblings,
and many of them said that being tickled felt like
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a form of abuse because they couldn't say no, which
is really scary. Like I'm thinking to myself, I'm like,
oh my gosh, did I tickle my siblings? Like, did
have I ever enacted that kind of fours against someone?
I don't know. I mean I feel like probably because
we all kind of grow up. I mean, I feel
like it's not as popular now, but we all grow
up tickling people slash not learning about consent in the
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way that I think kids are learning about consent now, yeah,
I mean it Also I feel like it's like such
a silly thing that it's like, I mean, can you
madd like the doctor who was like on trial, Like
how embarrassing and silly that is to be on trial
for tickling. I know, Like, but like it really causes
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an emotional you know, panic response in your brain. And also, um,
speaking of you know, being tickled, power dynamics, consent, all
of that stuff. Tickle torture has also of course become
a big thing on like the BDSM community and you know,
in consensual relationships. Tickle torture is also a thing that
many dominatrixes are very very good at. It's actually pretty common,
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and there's even websites, Oh my gosh, it's so funny,
like um only tickle dot com or tickle dates dot com.
There's a really great paper interview that I read with
this pro tickle torturer who explains that it's like torturing
someone without harming them actually or getting violent, and it
feels really good, like as a release, especially in a
pyrodynamic situation. Apparently, some submissives really like the mind game
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interrogation style of tickling. The Dominatrix said that one time
she left a man, you know, strapped, and then she
put itching powder on his feet and then left him
in a room for like an hour. And they're just
like torturous, but like he wanted it, and then others
like get more soft and playful and fun, and it
just depends on like what they want. And you know,
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before I end the tickle tangent the tt I need
to tell you guys about this man who made a
documentary about competitive endurance tickling. And I know, I know,
So this journalist from New Zealand went on like a
rabbit hole when he found these videos of like young
men usually from eighteen to twenty five ish, very homoerotic,
(51:03):
like on top of each other, tickling each other and
seeing how long could they endure. And these videos were
there were many, many videos, and it came from this
weird website and so he like tried to track out
the website to ask more questions about competitive tickling, and
the website owner like responded very aggressively and like leave
me alone, blah blah whatever. And the journey on what
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these videos are, how do they get made? Who owns
these videos. Who are the Models? And all of that
sort of stuff ended up becoming a documentary that premiere
to the Sundance Film Festival in twenty and sixteen because
it was not it was not as innocent as it seemed.
It was actually very much an illegal taking advantage of
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the model's abuse kind of situation within the competitive endurance
tickling world. And it's just a mess, but also a
really interesting documentary and I really want to watch it
this weekend. So that's so weird. Yes, absolutely, there is
nothing innocent in this world, nothing, not even tickling, not
daver gals getting the inside scoop on the tickle once again.
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So you know, we've learned so many things about what
should be fun can actually be super dangerous and it's
scary fun temper like, no laughing, no bouncy castles, no trampolines,
no clowns. But where do you knew about clowns? Well,
thanks so much for listening. You know, don't laugh ever,
and you know, let's talk at you next time. Oh bye?
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School of Humans. Hi, everyone, and welcome to another episode
of Cadaver Gals. Yes, this is the podcast where we
talk about weird ways that people have died. Totally normal thing,
totally normal hobby to have, right, we should not be worried.
It's okay, I have a therapist appointment tomorrow. I am Mika,
one of your three hosts, along with Taylor Hi Hi
(00:31):
and Gabye Hi. Yeah. Yeah, that's how you pronounce That's
how you pronounce her name. Godbye, Hi, Gabye hib So.
On today's show, we're going to be exploring how laughing
as a scary scary thing and why bouncy castles are
actually omens of death. Oh yes, so, as always, we
(00:54):
have some trigger warnings because for some reason some people
find death triggering. Um so today it's heart failure, racism,
death flying in the air, and torture you know us. Yes, yes,
if you listen to this in the mornings, like on
your commute, what is wrong with you? Okay, I'm kidding,
(01:16):
Thank you so much for listening. And on that note,
can you all get her music? So, Taylor, a little
clown told me you have I'm kidding, I'm scared of clubs. Um,
(01:40):
but someone in my heart you told me that you
have a story to tell. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about
this in our meeting earlier this week. No, we don't
do meetings. This is all input of yes and off
the cuff. This is a super off the cuff. I
have not planned this at all. Yeah, we're spontaneous, cool girls. Okay.
(02:01):
So Maurice Agis he was an art teacher and a
British sculptor, which is really hard to say, back to back.
British sculpture anyway, British sculpture. No, it's not okay, No,
I thank you, Gabby, gabbaye, gabbye. It's hot. Wow, it's
(02:23):
Tyler's still right, Okay, shut up. So sculptor, you think
like you know, stone or like ice sculpture, That's what
I think of. You know, this is a different kind
of sculpture. He created what he called these dream spaces,
and they were meant to be kind of like a
(02:45):
hallucination that you experience with like your whole body. So
lots of bright colors, weird music. It's just kind of
like an immersive art installation that sounds like a I mean,
I can just imagine that pitch meeting of like that project.
So it's like an immersive experience somewhere dinner, dear, and
(03:06):
then they just give him money. I mean adult swim
would say yes in a heartbeat, so yeah, yeah, exactly,
and I mean it kind of. He started doing this
in the sixties with this other fellow. I can't remember
his name, but um Bruce. Yeah. I think it was
like maybe Peter or something like that. But anyway, he
started with a pe um penis. Peter's the only one
(03:27):
I could think of, Gabby. Why would a man be
called penis? Okay, here's my theory. If I was ever
named Richard, I wouldn't go buy dick. I would go
buy penis because that's, oh my gosh, that's such a
pussy move. Go buy penis. Okay. I feel like penis
isn't even that use anymore though, Now you use dick
or cock more. So wouldn't it actually be better to
(03:49):
be called penis or ding dong? How? How how have
we gotten here literally talking about art and you're like penis, Yes,
that's that's what we're going to talk about, Taylor. If
you don't have all the facts, I'm going to fill
them in with some nonsense. You're to fill them in
a wink. All right, all right, all right, let's refocus.
(04:12):
So anyway, in the sixties, so he was you know, hallucination, psychedelics,
all that was a thing. So he created these. They're
kind of like an inflatable bouncy castle meets like a
fun house. There's like a lot of bright colors. Like
you remember those things as like parachute things when you
were a kid in gym class? Oh yeah, what was
(04:32):
like the point of those? I still don't know. Teamwork? Okay,
got it. I also imagine if you farted in one
of those, well everyone was underneath literally, Gabby, No, I
know it's good. But see, when I was a kid,
I was kind of a big I was a husky girl,
and like I was prone to farting, and so I
hope I never did, but I couldn't be too sure, y'all.
(04:54):
Young Gabby is so cute. Young Gabby is so sad.
Oh you know, the other day I looked in the
mirror and I thought of my younger self, my self child,
my inner child, and I said, of crying, rolling it
back in. So we're talking about like happy sculptures and
(05:16):
art installations that are like kind of psychedelic and hallucinogenic anyway,
So a lot of people have described them kind of
like honeycombs, and like if you have the trypophobia, I
feel like it would be a little bit triggering because
like it's kind of like it does look like a
honeycomb and like anyway, and and other people have described
(05:37):
it like a womb. All of these descriptions are really
not that cute and doesn't sound appealing to me, but
they're actually they look fun. Anyway, We'll show pictures on
our Instagram, don't you worry. And so the people like
when you go in, like they give you these parachute
like smock things. They're like really colorful, and you like
put on this smock and then you go in and
(05:57):
you just kind of like explore this bouncy castle slash
sculpture slash immersive experience or whatever. These structures are actually
pretty big. I saw very very conflicting sizes, so I'm
not even going to try and pretend to say how
big they are, but they could at least they could
hold at least thirty people comfortably. It also had like
a wheelchair ramp solid enough for that so that kind
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of gives you a picture. They were pretty big. Where
were these set usually parks, you know, anywhere there wasn't
enough land, but like like in the west coast, Like
where was he were in England? Yes, my brain is
working today, right, we're in England. Of course we are
the West coast of England. I don't know why I
thought this was like a Coachella thing. You know, well
(06:41):
they did installations like all over Europe and I do
think that one went to La at one point, so
so there you go, to be fair. Yeah, it sounds
like burning Man. Yeah exactly. It reminds me a little
bit of like an installation that would be in Maowel
or something, which if you don't know what that is,
a look at up because it is awesome. We're just
(07:01):
showing how like Ard we are. Like we're just naming
off things that has yea with maybe the least arty
because I said Coachella. Anyway, my favorite artists retreat is Coachella.
Oh god, okay, anyway, So two thousand and six, at
this point, Maurice has done has been doing these for years.
(07:21):
People love them, grew to be quite the exciting attraction.
But as you know, this is not a podcast about
success and happy stories. So on July twenty second in
two thousand and six, it was a routine art installation
in chester Le Street Riverside Park in Durham, England, and
(07:42):
this was you know, it was supposed to be there
for a while. So what they would do at night
is they would deflate it. They had security guards to
like watch it or whatever, and then it was supposed
to be there for like the rest of the month.
So forty some odd people are queuing up to enjoy
the dream space five when they all hear a loud snap.
(08:02):
Oh good, yep, that's not a good sign. So the
straps that are tying the structure down break loose. With
thirty people inside, they're going to go on a real
adventure now, you know. So the forty people in line
are like, oh, that's not good. So they rushed to help.
So nice, so nice of them, But a gust of
(08:23):
wind comes and they were no match for the gust
of wind and this giant structure. And so if the
structure like flips over on its side and like is
dragging some of these forty people, mind you, thirty people
are inside. It flips on its side, so people just
start ping ponging everywhere inside. Oh no, So after that,
like there's another gust of wind and it lifts up
(08:47):
the entire structure thirty feet in the air. Thirty feet
thirty people scay, a f thirty feet is like very long.
Let's have very high. Yeah, what about these gusts of winds?
That's that's more than a gust. That sounds like what's
(09:09):
the next thing above a gust? I don't know. Well,
it's funny because she said that it wasn't like a
windy day. They said that, you know, they're saying that
like it was just a weird yeah, like there, you know,
it was like an inflatable structure. So like it's like
it got up under those and so like the it
(09:29):
already had air going into it and just like it
had the assistance of the bouncy of the air pumps
or whatever. You know. I think that there might be
like like maybe trampolines and bouncy castles. Anger God, because
I was reading what trampolines for this story and the
same thing happened with um a person was on a
trampoline and a gust of wind randomly happened and it
(09:51):
killed them. Wow, did you just try and do your
tangent in the middle of my story. I'm so sorry.
I know it's not even a part of my tangient
because it was too sad. Continue to okay, I still
mention that. So eventually it's in the air, it hits
a CCTV poll which broke its flying wherever trajectory it
was going, and comes crashing down onto concrete. This whole
(10:15):
incident was really about a minute, but people described the
scene and this is horrific, like laughter and fun of
like being in this, you know, having a good time
to just screams of horror. But a sixty eight year
old woman and a thirty three year old fell dropped
to their deaths. Thirteen others were very seriously injured. Fire
(10:37):
police teams rushed to the scene trying to get everyone
out of the installation because they're like in these like
like wormhole type things. There was one child that was
airlifted out. They survived, thank goodness, to an innestotis that
was at the park and was able to like stabilize
stabilize them until they got them to the hospital. But
(10:59):
obviously after that they had to they secured the area
and they have to do like an investigation because they're like,
why did this happen? This is really weird. This guy's
been doing this for years. So they kind of, you know,
they went back. They realized that, you know, all of
the safety measures were taken the night before, deflated properly,
(11:19):
it was safely guarded throughout the night until the next day. However,
they did say that there was perhaps some vandalism and
because it had been the structure had been slashed like
two weeks prior, but like they did all of the
safety checks and everything like that, and so it was
like cleared for you. So they were like, I mean,
there was no like necessarily any negligence there. Well, Maurice
(11:43):
was arrested for suspicion of manslaughter. At first, wait, Maurice
the sculpture, Yes, the guy who created this installation. Why
would he do that to his own creation? Exactly? He
was later released. They were like no, So then a
trial happens, and that is where he's charged with breaching
(12:04):
of the Health and Safety at Work Act and was
fined ten thousand pounds. He was like very clearly distraught
and upset. He was. It's obviously like a freak accident,
but he said that he was never going to make
one of these structures again. So I kind of feel
bad for him. That was like his life's work and
then this horrible, just freak accident, like he'd done it
(12:28):
a zillion times before anyway. So three years after the incident,
it's like, you know how long investigations and trials and
all that stuff takes. So like six months after the
trial or something, in two thousand and nine, Maurice passes
away at the age of seventy seven. I didn't find
(12:49):
like how he died, but they put his ashes in
like four colorful urns and then so you know, just
kind of like to honor him. There's no official verdict
on the manslaughter charges, but obviously seems like it does
seem like manslaughter to me. But it was a very tragic, horrific, awful, awful,
(13:11):
awful event that was very traumatizing for a lot of people,
and they never found out like what the reason was.
It was just some freak accident. It was just like
some freak accident. They were I mean, I guess they
were just saying, you know, like they could have taken
extra percaustions, but like, I mean, it was cleared to
be used, but obviously, like somebody kind of has to pay,
(13:32):
which is a little bit ridiculous, but you know, there
has to be some sort of like I feel like
in a lot of instances, there has to be some
sort of resolution because otherwise, you know, there's all these
victims that are like what do I, like, what do
I have to blame? Or like what do I who
can I be mad at or something? I don't know.
That's so sad on all accounts. That's just so sad.
(13:53):
I just can't imagine being in a bouncy castle type thing,
end it flying away. I don't ever want to be
in the bouncy castle industry. And it's clown adjacent, so
you never know what's going to happen, so you have
to watch out. Well exactly. Yeah, that's what makes it cursed. Well, Taylor,
thank you so much for this, you know, this sad story.
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You're welcome. Honestly, I would I would have gone into
one of those bouncy castles because actually that's really interesting.
So I'm sad he's not doing well he passed away,
but when he's not doing them anymore because people died
and he was like, all right, that's enough of that.
I mean, he had been doing it a while, like
he kind of started. I can't I couldn't tell if
he like started this style of works in the sixties
(14:38):
or if he started these bouncy castles. They kind of
became more popular in like the eighties, eighties, nineties, and
obviously the two thousands. So um, yeah, the amount of
drugs people probably did inside of those bouncy castles is just,
you know, fascinating to me. I mean, yeah, he wanted
it to be like a psychedelic experience. So when we
(15:00):
come back, you know, I'll do my little tangent And
it really has nothing to do with Taylor's story, but
it starts with tea, and that's all that matters. BRB. Hello,
welcome back to cadaver Gals. Now call me a traditionalist.
Starts with tea. Hey, traditionalist. You're a traditionalist. Okay, yeah,
(15:24):
traditional you're giving us instructions? Yeah, okay, anyway, Um, call
me a traditionalist, but I personally think that our fragile
human bodies should not be submitted two hours upon hours
of bouncing. That is not really what Taylor's story was about.
But who're gonna go on this journey, and surely people
were bounced around in there. Surely, surely people were. And
(15:46):
I think excessive bouncing is a thing that can actually
be really dangerous. Okay, and I have proof, Okay, the same,
very passionate about this, Nika. Have there been times where
you've been bounced around a little bit too much, you know,
around a little too too much, too fast. It's very funny, Taylor.
It's funny because as we call moving around sex in
(16:07):
this podcast. And yes, okay, this is a personal vendetta. Okay,
this is my joker origin story. I have proof. For example,
in twenty twelve, the American Academy of Pediatrics actually publicly
stated that they discouraged with a capital D, the use
of trampolines, calling them dangerous with a capital D and
(16:27):
a high risk environment. Okay, okay, uh huh. And trampoline
stunts are a leading cause of cervical spine injuries, according
to the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons. I know and
I personally have a memory of being on a trampoline,
trampoline and around bouncing, having a good time. I was
(16:47):
in Australia and then I hit my head so hard
on the edge of it, and I remember just like
feeling like this numbness over my head and like its horrible.
It just felt really bad, and then I just got
out a concussion. I don't know. We've already figured out
on this podcast that I have had two concussions and
(17:09):
have never gotten treated for them. Anyway, this sounds like
a third. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a third anyway.
So that's why I have certain feelings about trampolines and
jumping around. Okay, I when I was a kid, we
had a trampoline, and I mean, it had a net
around it, but I was like, this is how I'm
(17:30):
gonna like break something. Like I just knew that it
was like inevitable. I didn't, but like I just felt
like it was inevitable that it was gonna hold on.
How are you scared trampolines but not horses. Horse injuries
are like a very real thing. Because I'm a really
talented horseback rider. I'm kidding. I think we should ride
on the beach, you know, like a raw flooring commercial. Anyway,
(17:50):
And one more factuid about the dangers of trampolining before
I get into the history of trampolining. Okay, yeah, thank you.
Is that according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, which,
by the way, those are the people that also banned
and directs, so I don't necessarily trust them fully, But
one hundred and twenty thousand hospital visits to the r
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in the US were the direct results of trampoline accidents.
Trampolines have a vendetta on humans. They are coming to
get us. They have already gotten us. Okay, they already
got us, Yeah they did. And you know who is
responsible for all of this? God, um, let me say it,
Ronald Reagan. No, I say, sir, tramps a lot. No,
(18:35):
this man called George Nisson, who actually dried pretty recently
at ninety six in two thou and ten. So he
lived a long life, which means we can talk bad
about him. So I'm kidding. So he and his co
conspirator Larry Griswold invented the trampoline in nineteen thirty six,
a very recent invention, mind you. So this the way
(18:57):
you're talking about this reminds me of your adversion to uh,
what are they not golden doodles? Oh, labordoodles, the spawns
from hell? Yeah? No, you look into their faces. You
know that is not a dog inside of there. You
know what I mean, They're a little same passion. You
have the same passion for this, because I'll never forget
(19:18):
when I hit my head really hard in Australia. Did
I keep trampolining? Yes? Would I trampoline today? I would
be tempted. I would be tempting. Lad Also injure you
no terrible labradoodle trampoline incident. Literally every labordoodle I've ever
met has just been really nice to me, and I'm like,
I hear you like that? How cute the idea of
(19:40):
a labordoodle bouncing around on a trampoline with his little
hair like fluffing about. Oh so cute. Okay, thanks for
the nightmares. So yes, they invented the trampoline in nineteen
thirty six. We are doing a quick history on this
death device with Nika because I didn't know what other
tension to do. But it's actually quite interesting, so hear
me out. Nissen was a gymnast and a diver, and
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Griswold was also a gymnast and also Nissen's coach. And
in nineteen thirty nis And was watching circus people do
circus things and was like, hmm, that's really cool. Something
popped into his nagen. He was sixteen at the time.
And then in nineteen thirty four, Nisson observed the contraptions
that trapeze artist would make with this like sheet of
canvas and then they would use it to like bounce
(20:23):
off of during their performances, and he was like, hmm,
there's something here. So Nisson and Griswold built the first
trampoline prototype and then in nineteen thirty six started making
and selling them commercially, and of course the idea took
off because okay, who doesn't want to be in the air,
flying around giggling with childlike joy? Right? Okay, apparently everyone
(20:48):
so don't know what they're thinking about, but whatever, So
they basically stole it from the circus. Yes, they stole
the idea. Wow, Yes, and everyone wanted a trampoline for
their backyard, okay. And Nisson was a hustler, Okay, he
loved trampoline ing and gymnastics, and he would tour around
the US both performing and also promoting his new contraption.
(21:10):
And then he served in the Navy, where he met
air pilots and he convinced the Air Force to use
trampolines as a way of reorienting themselves while in air.
So these military men, like very seriously would be jumping
on trampolines as actual training because it was said that
it helped them to re orient themselves well in the
air and also to forget about being scared of heights. Okay, okay,
(21:35):
I know. And also NASA used them and still uses trampolines,
which I think is fascinating and really funny because apparently
the weightless feeling of jumping on trampoline is similar to
space travel. Oh we've done space travel, you guys. How exciting?
I mean, yeah, yeah, I guess basically. And so yeah, Nissen,
like you know, went through every branch of the US
(21:57):
commercial system, you know, yeah, NASA, you got the military,
you have families and their children, and also the Olympics.
It became him a thing anyway, So he continued promoting
trampolines after the war, right, and he would create marketing
stints like jumping on a trampoline around the pyramids in
Egypt or taking a picture jumping with a kangaroo. And
he has said that jumping with the kangaroo was really
hard because the kangaro would jump higher than him and
(22:19):
he would try to like hit him, and so he
just had to get close enough for the picture. He
honestly seems like a pretty cool guy. Like to be fair,
he had to stop manufacturing trampolines commercially in the eighties
because he kept getting sued from the constant injuries and
accidents that happened from trampoline ing, which is my point exactly, Okay,
but he always continued with a sport even after he stopped,
(22:40):
you know, manufacturing them commercially, and he actually got to
see it become an official Olympic sport in two thousand.
So honestly, good for him. Like, I don't have any
any any bad blood toward him, you know. And it's
everywhere now, you know. I mean I don't I don't
really think about trampolines a lot, but they're there, you
know what I mean, Like they're in the backyards and
(23:00):
the Olympic and the military. Even in fitness classes. Okay,
Kate Beck can say, who has wonderful arms and honestly
a pretty toned ass body is a big proponent of
the classes called rebounding, which is basically just a trampoline workout.
Have you heard of this workout? Yes? There, have you
done it? No? It kind of very much scares me.
Apparently this journalist from Elite Daily, they wrote a story
(23:24):
about it entitled it I Tried. I tried a trampoline
gym class and basically almost died in twenty and sixteen
because it was it was big in two thousand and sixteen,
and then with the lockdown that happened because of COVID,
it also became big again because you could just buy
your mini trampoline and do it, you know, at home
with videos and stuff like that. So you know, it
sounds interesting, It sounds She mentioned that it was kind
(23:44):
of cultish because in order to stay on the trampoline
and not die, you basically have to laser focus on
yourself and look at yourself like dead in the eyes
in the mirror and just focus on not following and
like work for forty five minutes and it apparently hurts
really bad. Like it's actually a really good workout, but
it doesn't sound safe, and that's it was. Trampoline are
(24:05):
like kind of small. I am afraid of like missing
and like rolling my ankle fall, so exactly. Yeah, and
also I mean what I try it? Yes, I would,
of course, but still doesn't seem safe. And before I
end my tangent to give credit where credit is due,
lots of iterations of the commercial trampling were created before Nissan,
(24:27):
including like Inuit people who toss blanket dancers in the
air off of walrus skin because it's elastic and bouncy,
and they do that during a spring festival that they
have to celebrate the end of whaling season. And then
also there is evidence that it might have been used
during medieval times as a mob punishment device called blanketing,
which is actually a form of hazing today. So real
(24:48):
fun google wormholes that I went down on, you know,
down on, down through and did not out. Okay, oh no,
I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm
a little bit sick, so you can imagine my brain
mush right now. But that's the history of trampoline's You're
welcome everyone. You now know more things about you know,
(25:11):
white men inventing things, more things than you did before. Yes,
and that's the important thing. The things said four times, Gabby,
I know you have something to relieve me of my misery. Um. Yeah, yeah,
by definitely, it's it's gonna be relieved. Well, we're going
to continue thinking about things that we enjoy and then
(25:33):
making them worse, so spline, bouncy castles, etc. Etca. Okay,
So we're also in England at this point, you know,
and it's March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy five. Nope, yes,
that's what it is. And we're in King's Lynn, England,
(25:55):
and there's a fifty year old dude named Alex Mitchell
and he's watching the TV okay, and he's specifically have
y'all done this before, you said, yeah, this is a
relatable story. Have you also been a fifth year old,
you know, white man who you know is probably mostly Scottish? Yeah?
(26:16):
Literally think god No. And so this dude, Alex, he's
watching The Goodies, which is a show that I didn't
know about, but it was a big cultural institution basically,
not really cultural institution that makes it sound like it
was a good show, but basically it was on for
like twelve years on the BBC. Um and it featured
three dudes who were kind of contemporaries to Monty Python.
(26:38):
So it was another like comedy show lots of slapstick humor,
very very silly British humor. It's so weird. It's very
different from like American humor. Yeah, British humor is like
I don't know, they go and that, it's like they
hit themselves with like a mouse trapping and they're like,
you know, and then you're like ha ha ha ha,
(26:59):
And I'm just like, no one does that in America.
No one's ever done that, you know. Anytime I see
British humor, I've always go hippooty dippoty ah. That's good, Taylor,
that's my favorite. I rewatched an episode of the Simpsons
last week after not watching it for literally, like I
think decades. At this point, you haven't been you've hardly
(27:20):
been alive for a decade. Taylor. You can actually go
put your face into the pillow and not speak anyway.
It's on a trampoline, Taylor, with the biggest insults anyway.
All that to say didn't really hold up all too
well for me personally. Yeah, um, same with this television program.
(27:40):
And but I also don't want to poo poo it
because I also understand it's, you know, an important part
of comedy. You know whatever. But still it's very it's
a very very silly show. But Alex, he's enjoying the
heck out of the episode that he's watching. He's laughing,
having a grand old time, you know, almost for the
entire episode. Some people say he was like laughing just
(28:01):
the whole time, the whole twenty five minutes. But then
suddenly during the television TV show, he fainted and then
he started breathing funny according to his daughter and his
wife who were with him at the time, and then
he died. What yeah, my goodness, British humor. So he
goes from laughing a bunch to then dying upon the ground. Okay,
(28:29):
his death makes headlines across the world, and it's definitely
framed as the man who laughed himself to death. The
show was so gosh dang funny that he had heart failure.
That's basically what everyone thinks happened. Is that confirmed? Well,
we might get there a little bit later. Darren, Darren, Darren.
But okay, here's the thing. I'm a big risk taker.
(28:52):
So I looked at the episode that he was watching
and I watched it. Oh no, are you okay? Oh
my god, I am still here to this day. Okay, listener,
I'm alive as of whatever day. This is goodness. You
should have told and me like done, like when you're
watching yeah, but don't do it. They're watching the team. Well,
(29:17):
I decided to take a risk. Um I you know,
I looked around. I thought it. I thought I would
be safe because I thought, you know, humor subjective and
we might have a different sense of humor, and indeed
we do. I am different from a man in the seventies.
But I watched the episode of the Show's very silly.
So they have like the three main dudes who started
who you made the show, and they're also the stars
(29:38):
of the show, and they basically have like three different
personality types. One is like this, um, he's you know,
a big fan of the ruling class and doesn't have
a chin basically, which is kind of funny with British people.
But then there's also a guy who's like a middle
class scientist and this other guy who's kind of like
this more like hippieish anarchist type person. But they basically
(29:59):
it starts off in a very fun way of like
two of them are doing kung fu and the doing
some really fun Chinese impressions, very fun yi. So yeah,
and then this other guy comes in and he's like,
you guys are shit at kungku. I know this other
type of fighting called ecky thump um, And then it's
(30:20):
a very silly type of fighting that he learns in
northern England where this special trick move is you take
a piece of black pudding, which is like nasty black sausage,
and you just hit people over the head with it. Okay,
So that's the whole fighting thing, and then it gets
better because then he fights all these other varieties. He
fights them while they're doing kung fu. There's also they
(30:41):
make up this weird French dial where they just hit
people with baggetts. But then the black pudding comes in.
And the best part, you know, that we just loved
was there was black face and so they dressed up
as a boxer in black face and they also hit
them with the pudding and anyway, so just some fun
(31:03):
nineteen seventy five, you know. But this is the part
that they say that Alex was laughing. The most at
which I do appreciate is that they do have a bagpiper,
so Scotsman who gets hit in the head with a boomerang,
and apparently that's the funniest part in Alex andself. I
hate bagpipers here and boomerangs, like, but Alex himself was
(31:23):
like Scottish and like a proud scott and he thought
that was the funniest part. And I'm like, it's great
that he's like laughing at himself. Basically, you know, I
think we could all take, you know, a note from
Alex there, because like we should be able to laugh
at ourselves. Okay, being hit with a boomerang. I do
think that stuff is like funnier when you are like
(31:46):
things that make me laugh is like when I see
myself in it and like that's making fun of me.
I'm like, oh my god, I do that. This is ridiculous.
Oh no, Like and then I'm laughing at myself at
how do ya do you like all of our horsecroll jokes, Taylor?
Nor continue with your story anyway, So learning lessons laugh
(32:06):
at yourself. It's healthy, okay, And also this was kind
of fun. So his wife after he died, actually sent
a letter to the Goodies and was like, hey, thank
you for making the last twenty five minutes of my
husband's life so enjoyable. I wouldn't be like, you murdered
my husband. Yeah. Yeah. Thinking about that in contemporary times,
(32:27):
I feel like that would be more likely the response,
especially in America. As we know, America is a place
where we sue everyone, So I'm sure they would try
to sue a sketch group for making someone laugh too hard.
You know, you're so problematic, you made people laugh too hard?
You shouldn't do that. Um. I get told that all
the time. Okay, Um, here's the thing? Is laughing dangerous?
(32:50):
Like is this a thing that's like happened? You know?
Throughout time have people like actually are They're like because
you know they'll always be like laughter is the best medicine,
but like, wait a second, you know what can it
do that is bad? You know? And so these fucking
little these like fucking Debbie Downers. They did aid study
where they collected a bunch of studies from the forties
(33:10):
to like twenty thirteen, and they all these studies were
about laughter, and they were basically trying to ascertain what
could be the negative health effects of laughing. Like what
a fucking what a project? Like, how did they pitch
that project? You know, fun police, Yeah exactly. But they
did find fifteen bad things that can happen when you laugh.
(33:31):
You can faint, irregular heartbeat, cardiac rupture, You could accidentally
choke on something because if you inhale something while you're laughing,
you can have asthma, increased risk for lung collapse. You
can pee yourself. Yeah, that is actually one of the
negative ones. I say, peeing your pants, which I'm like,
that's not a health effect, that's just embarrassing, you know,
(33:53):
like all of these things could happen too if you're
not laughing. That's true. But one thing they did which
I thought was interesting was they're like, hey, yeah, these
are fifteen bad things, but there's actually like tons of
benefits of laughing, like reducing stress, anxiety, et cetera, you know,
not being actually yeah, and they said but this was
like funny because they said it could be great for
obesity because if you laugh, you know, have a hearty
(34:14):
laugh for the whole day, then you can like burn
two thousand calories. But I'm like, who's having a hearty
laugh the whole fucking day? Like are you just gonna
laugh for eight hours? Like what the hell? We just
need to hang out with Gabby Moore, and I'll lose
weight because then you'll succumb to my trash diet, which
is just whatever is available, and that's usually like a
(34:36):
cheesy bread, you know, cheesy. How are you always surrounded
by cheesy bread. I don't understand it to find the
right cheesy bread, but I guess it just finds you.
It finds me, you know. Um, I just like a
house it for people and then they just have that
in the freezer, you know, they've had it in there
for a long time. And I'm like, well, I'll be
the one who eats this cheesy bread. Okay, that's my responsibility. Yeah,
(34:59):
I'm a good house sitter. I eat your cheesy bread. Okay,
but people, I'd tell that to people. If they have
cheesy bread, I'm going to eat it. Okay. Also, this
was funny, Okay, one benefit of laughing which sounds fake,
but it says that there are higher pregnancy rates after
in vitro fertilization. When a clown joke with would be mothers,
(35:21):
that seems fake, like basically people getting IVF and they're
like this clown made them laugh and then it took
hold better that sounds fake as hell? But how many? Yeah,
I mean if can also again work or it doesn't work,
you know what I mean, Like there are two options.
So but they said if you have a clown present,
it might work back. How many times has a clown
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been present? Is this like a thing that people do.
I had a clown near me and I had some
kind of sperm around me, I would shoot the sperm
out of my vagina out of fear. Ever made me laugh.
Clowns are just not funny. Sorry, clown clowns out there,
It's true clowns. Clowns have also never made me laugh.
(36:04):
What is funny about a person? It's like wearing a
weird outfit and like on purpose, like they're trying to
too hard, you know, like do less, do less. That's
that's the problem with clowns. They have too many props,
you know, clown and face pussy right anyway, choose. It's
(36:24):
all too much like too many colors. I don't know.
But okay, so that seems fake, but maybe who knows. Okay,
just if you are getting iva, maybe bring a clown
with you, um, just to be safe, okay, yeah, or
just take your husband for free? Can you explain a
(36:46):
joke that means it's good um okay, okay, but okay,
so they did it. But anyway, so Alex who was
watching the TV show who died after laughing. They didn't
know for a long time when it happened. They were
just assumed it was some sort of like heart failure.
But then in twenty twelve, his grand daughter had like
(37:07):
a cardiac problem. The same thing that had happened to
him happened to her where she suddenly fainted and then
started having all these like heart problems and then she
had to be induced into a coma afterwards. And she
was only twenty three when this happened, and yeah, watch out, Nika.
But it was interesting that this happened because then it
(37:27):
helped them. She did survive. But then because of like
her problem, they were able to diagnose what likely happened
to her grandfather, and they discovered that she had long
QT syndrome, which is usually a genetic disorder that gets
passed down and it's a heart rhythm condition that can
sort of make your heart beat in an irregular or
like too fast kind of way, and so like if
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you're excited or scared or have heightened emotions laughing or
even if you're exercising, watch out, Nika, you might fain,
have a seizure, and then because of the heart problems,
then you could potentially die. So they assumed because he
had fainted, and fainting is like the main sign of
how long QT syndrome, that's probably what happened to him.
So they solved the mystery. Only how many years later? Math?
(38:15):
Thirty forty years later? About gap? You do the math?
I don't want to. I always think it's so interesting
when like years and years and years and years and
years later things are solved. Yeah, but you know sometime
it takes time, y'all. And there are a few others.
So it does seem if you have a heart condition,
that's probably you know when you might die from laughing.
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But there's been like a few other silly cases throughout history.
There is in the fifth century, there is this painter
who they say he died after laughing so much because
he had painted Aphrodite in a really funny way, because
this old woman who had commissioned the painting had insisted
that she modeled for it. So he apparently laughed himself
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to death about how silly his painting looked that could
be fake. And then we have a third century philosopher.
He died of laughing after he saw a donkey eating
his figs. So I mean, donkeys are pretty funny, so
that makes sense. They are funny, They're so cute, so cute.
And then in fourteen ten, a king of Aragon he
(39:25):
laughed himself to death. But it might have also been
after his jester told him a joke. But it also
might have been an indigestion problem, So make sure you're
laughing on an empty stomach, okay. And then this one
was really funny because it's very relatable. Is in nineteen twenty,
this Australian man died after he was laughing because he
was like reading the paper and he I think he
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was just aghast from the years of nineteen fifteen to
nineteen twenty how much prices had risen on certain commodities.
So he was laughing so much at you know, which
I feel like I laughed too when I look at
like housing prices, I'm like ha. So he made a
remark to his wife about how prices so much more
than he apparently died after he was laughing about capitalism.
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So I mean, I get that I'm laughing right now.
How I went from a hybrid to like an suv
and the gas prices have gone up so much. I'm like, wow,
I'm done, So watch out, Taylor. That might be a
laughing you know. The laughing out of desperation is also
a way you can laugh and lead to death. I
feel like that's how I laugh a lot. Is trying
(40:30):
to not cry. Yeah, you're just like, oh my god,
life is so bad. That's what we do on this show.
So anyway that is watch out, guys, you know, laugh
and moderation. That's all I can say. Also, make sure
you don't have a heart condition. I hope we're not
too funny for everyone too. But I also like this
(40:53):
episode so far because it's like having fun like Bountycastle,
trampoline laughing. We can't do any of those things anymore exactly.
Thank you, Gabby. Wow, oh another thing to be scared of.
Am I right? I'm a right guy. Okay O my
heart No? That oh that scratchy sound was my throat. Okay,
(41:19):
when we come back, you know, another tangent that's kind
of not about this. But we do what we can.
We do what we can Okay, stick around, bitch, love you.
You know that was such a funny story. Um Um,
(41:43):
what's really fun about this is that I also have
a things that should be fun but are actually bad
tangent to go on. So with your blessing, I think
I'm gonna go on it. Okay, yeah, well I feel
like this is like slightly related. If you're doing what
I think you're doing, so I think it makes sense.
I think our tangent is winky winky good. I love
(42:04):
it good. Okay, Well, you know I love to laugh
as much as the next person, but laughing by being
tickled is not really my Actually that is a lie.
I don't know why the funk I wrote this. I
love being tickled? What the heck? What? Anyway? I hate it?
You hate being tickled? It's like such an invasion of
it in space. Well, it has to be consensual, Like
(42:25):
I I love the idea of being tickled, but only
by a very select group of people, and there needs
to be some kind of safe word because it can
also get very overwhelming, as I will explain the reason why.
But you just don't like so mad really, just because
it like I have this this dumb reaction of laughing
(42:45):
does not mean that I'm enjoying it. Where do you
like getting tickle? Taylor? No, I don't don't tickle me ever,
But where are you tickers? No? No, I won't do it.
I'm not like, I'm not an assaulter who I'm like
a British comedian one of Okay, I'll tell you one.
One of the things that annoys me the most, well,
(43:06):
my dad used to do this like grab like grab
your like just above your knee. You know that's a
very yeah, that's a very sense. It makes me. It
makes me. I mean, don't ever do because I'll just
kick you. But m Taylor's hey, I feel like ticklings.
Ticklings like the final frontier of like consent, you know,
(43:26):
because I feel like people don't usually ask for consent
about it, and we like people tickle children. I'm like,
those children probably don't like it because the whole time
you're being tickled, all your yelling is stop stop stop,
But you're like, yeah, stop though, she really likes it.
And what she'll do, I guess I figured this out.
She'll like, she'll go on these like little ransmore. She'll
(43:48):
be like get me, get me, and she'll say get me, Taylor,
and so then she just wants me to like chase
her and then tickle her. That's embarrassing. That's literally how
I am. Gabby. Do you like being tickled? What do
you think? No? Absolutely not. I like to tickle people,
(44:10):
but I have never been with I'm sorry. Okay, here's
the imagining, Gabby. Tickli someone is like imagining a big
octopus tickling so like I can't see it in my brain.
A big octopus. That's how you think about me. I
don't know what that means, but I appreciate it. Thank you.
Um Like you're enveloping, is what I'm saying. Well, I
do the thing where it's like, you know, people have spots,
(44:32):
so I'll just like jab them in this ticklish spot,
you know, like in the rist I'm just jabbed with
my eight tentacles. Okay, but anyway, anyway, so Gabby sent
me this link like literally last night because she knew
I had not done my research yet. Thank God, about
about being tickled. And apparently there's this thing called tickle torture,
(44:52):
which I am not surprised at all, but here it is.
I feel like tickling is torture, so I understand. I
also said that to you because it seemed like you
would enjoy it, enjoy Thank you so much, Gabby. Um. So,
it apparently began in ancient China during the Hand dynasty,
and it was used because it didn't leave any marks
that the victims had to recover from, and so it
(45:13):
was also especially used on royalty because obviously looks were
very important back then and being seen as like untouchable
or like, you know, no blemishes were a big deal.
So tickle torture was actually kind of the perfect way
of torturing people. And then it also, yeah, it would
also was a thing in ancient Rome, and what they
would do there that was a very specific thing. They
(45:33):
would dip the criminals feet in like salty water and
then have a goat lick it off until like they
couldn't take it anymore, it's not so bad. And so
then obviously it would start off kind of ticklish at first,
you know, you're the goat licking your feet, and then
it would become excruciatingly painful and then they'd cry, but
they would also continue laughing while they were being restrained.
(45:55):
Kind of hilarious, it's very funny. And then also it
was a thing also in ancient Japan, so you know,
first centuries this has been a thing, and it's just
fascinating to me. And I was kind of reading about
it because what I had to, well I had to,
but also it honestly really interested me, like what causes
this much stress when you're getting tickled? Why is it
(46:16):
actually torture? And it seems like when you're tickled, what
reacts is this part of the brain called the hypothalamus,
and that's the area in your brain that is in
charge of emotional reactions, and that is very stimulated when
you're being tickled, and so in regardless of whether you
enjoy it or not, the response is an immediate emotional response,
(46:37):
so you'll still be laughing uncontrollably, like even if you're
not enjoying it, which is so very the very frustrating
thing about being tickled and consent and that whole thing.
And there's evidence that pain receptors are triggered during tickling,
which can lead to severe overstimulation if it's done against
your will, obviously, and then if it's done for a
prolonged period of time. Some people have reported vomiting, loss
(46:59):
of consciousness, or major difficulty breathing because they're laughing so
hard from being tickled or asking to stop, and so yes,
of course, like it has led to death of it,
of course it has. I mean, you know, there was
this man, specifically Joseph Cahoot, who was a prisoner of
the Nazis in World War Two for being homosexual, and
(47:21):
he witnessed someone being tickled to death in a concentration camp,
which is obviously disgusting, and it was also used as
torture more recently by a group of women in Mayotte,
which is this overseas department of France. They did this
torture technique in nineteen sixty six against men who were
opposed to their political views to get them to sway
in their views basically and do whatever they wanted. And
(47:42):
there was also I read about this person who I
think it was like the nineteen hundreds or something. He
was a doctor at a like psychiatry ward and this
man was strapped in and basically this doctor was bored
and took off the socks of the patient and was
tickling the patient to like the patient basically lost consciousness,
(48:06):
and then also gave the patient of bloody nose. And
then the doctor was found doing that and had a
trial and I think he was guilty. So but it's
been a thing like people love the power dynamic of tickling,
which is so bad. Like that's like that would be
like a liberal way at a torture, Like I want
you to be, you know, to tickle conservatives and to
be like I'm gonna conservatives and too being liberal. Yeah,
(48:31):
what a silly like I want you to be. It's silly,
it seems silly, but like it can be really bad.
There was also the study that I read about where
these researchers interviewed one hundred and fifty adult siblings about
kind of if they ever felt abused by their siblings,
and many of them said that being tickled felt like
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a form of abuse because they couldn't say no, which
is really scary. Like I'm thinking to myself, I'm like,
oh my gosh, did I tickle my siblings? Like, did
have I ever enacted that kind of fours against someone?
I don't know. I mean I feel like probably because
we all kind of grow up. I mean, I feel
like it's not as popular now, but we all grow
up tickling people slash not learning about consent in the
(49:13):
way that I think kids are learning about consent now, yeah,
I mean it Also I feel like it's like such
a silly thing that it's like, I mean, can you
madd like the doctor who was like on trial, Like
how embarrassing and silly that is to be on trial
for tickling. I know, Like, but like it really causes
(49:34):
an emotional you know, panic response in your brain. And also, um,
speaking of you know, being tickled, power dynamics, consent, all
of that stuff. Tickle torture has also of course become
a big thing on like the BDSM community and you know,
in consensual relationships. Tickle torture is also a thing that
many dominatrixes are very very good at. It's actually pretty common,
(49:56):
and there's even websites, Oh my gosh, it's so funny,
like um only tickle dot com or tickle dates dot com.
There's a really great paper interview that I read with
this pro tickle torturer who explains that it's like torturing
someone without harming them actually or getting violent, and it
feels really good, like as a release, especially in a
pyrodynamic situation. Apparently, some submissives really like the mind game
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interrogation style of tickling. The Dominatrix said that one time
she left a man, you know, strapped, and then she
put itching powder on his feet and then left him
in a room for like an hour. And they're just
like torturous, but like he wanted it, and then others
like get more soft and playful and fun, and it
just depends on like what they want. And you know,
(50:40):
before I end the tickle tangent the tt I need
to tell you guys about this man who made a
documentary about competitive endurance tickling. And I know, I know,
So this journalist from New Zealand went on like a
rabbit hole when he found these videos of like young
men usually from eighteen to twenty five ish, very homoerotic,
(51:03):
like on top of each other, tickling each other and
seeing how long could they endure. And these videos were
there were many, many videos, and it came from this
weird website and so he like tried to track out
the website to ask more questions about competitive tickling, and
the website owner like responded very aggressively and like leave
me alone, blah blah whatever. And the journey on what
(51:28):
these videos are, how do they get made? Who owns
these videos. Who are the Models? And all of that
sort of stuff ended up becoming a documentary that premiere
to the Sundance Film Festival in twenty and sixteen because
it was not it was not as innocent as it seemed.
It was actually very much an illegal taking advantage of
(51:48):
the model's abuse kind of situation within the competitive endurance
tickling world. And it's just a mess, but also a
really interesting documentary and I really want to watch it
this weekend. So that's so weird. Yes, absolutely, there is
nothing innocent in this world, nothing, not even tickling, not
daver gals getting the inside scoop on the tickle once again.
(52:14):
So you know, we've learned so many things about what
should be fun can actually be super dangerous and it's
scary fun temper like, no laughing, no bouncy castles, no trampolines,
no clowns. But where do you knew about clowns? Well,
thanks so much for listening. You know, don't laugh ever,
and you know, let's talk at you next time. Oh bye?
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