July 28, 2021 • 48 mins
Nikka dives (hopefully not) into the haunted Devil's Pool, and Taylor regales us with the death of a classic whiskey maker.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
School of Humans. Wow, it's cadaver Gaus, your favorite show,
Cadaver Gals. This is a show or we talk about
all the weird ways people have died throughout history so
that we can cope with our own mortality. Look at
us coping. We're doing a great job. Taylor's in a bathroom. Yeah,
(00:28):
sitting on a toilet right now, which is in the bathroom.
That's not how you're supposed to use it, Taylor, that
would disgusting. The image that is going through my brain
right now is actually really gross. Well, speaking of trigger warnings,
just triggered Nika. But on this today's episode, we're going
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to be talking about a haunted lake in Australia, Australia. Yeah, sorry,
Australian listeners don't appreciate that. But Nika's kind of authentic
to Australia, so it's okay. It's okay you do that.
Then we'll also hear about the death of a prominent
(01:11):
whiskey gentleman, so woot woot. Today's trigger warnings. We're going
to have ghosts, drowning, drinking infections, and you know what,
no rape and incests today, So you guys are lucky.
This is a special treat. You're welcome. All right. Well
(01:33):
we'll get into it after the theme. So Nika tell
us about this uh lake, Yes, likes, Yes, you know,
(02:02):
likes is where we go, you know, put some shrimp
on the bar, abby, we got a camping. It's fun,
it's great with me. Yep, I feel like you do
Australia stuff just to like I feel like you're just
like trolling Australians. Now, No, I no, I'm not. I
really do miss the continent like I do, and I guess,
(02:22):
and and it has such weird stories, like people always
say that Florida is the Australia of the US, but honestly,
I don't think anything's like Australia. Okay, big love from
am I right. Okay, So this is actually a pretty
tragic story though, so I'm gonna tone it down now. Um.
So we are going to a haunted lake in a
haunted place. Um, it's a pretty sad story. So let's
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start with Australian people. Most are actually pretty outdoorsy, and
they love to camp and hike and be outside and barbecue.
They love to go to the beach when they can.
I mean, I remember when I was younger, like they
would go like barefoot or like in flip flops, literally everywhere.
It's just such a chill place to be though, You're
like really profiling these people, like all like water, they
(03:10):
all like the outdoors. You know what I want to
stand up for the inside Australian firs who have never
gone outside before and they live in a dark basement. Okay,
well yes, no, okay, that's fair. Yes, we're not going
to profile all Australians, but it is very Australian culture
to be like, I let's go comping. Put some shrimp
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on the bobby, you know what I mean? Um, just no,
at least just from what I remember, And honestly, I
have some great memories there, so I'm not I'm not
even mad about it. How do you put the shrimp
on the barbie? Because wouldn't it just fall through? That's
a great question. I've always wondered that two gaps Australian
listeners at us. How do you push from barbecue big daddies?
(03:52):
They would have to be big daddies. What I will
say is when I did go to barbecues, Um, first
of all, there was never shrimps, So I don't know
why I always say shrimp on the bobby. Second of all, um,
there was always usually like dogs like and they were amazing.
But um, instead of using hot dog buns, they would
use white bread sandwich bread like as the bun and
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they would just wrap it around and it was like
the most normal thing in the world. And I actually
thought that that was the way normal hot dogs were
until I went to the US and found out indeed
that is not the case anyway. So I mean, why
does a bun accept brad? You know, I think that's fine. Well,
thank you for validating the Australians. So, um, so you know, camping,
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we're doing it. We love it. I mean I don't
like it, but some people do. And that is exactly
what thirty seven year old Shannon Hoffman was planning to
do with his bunny around October of twenty twenty, so
this is pretty recently. So they pack up and they
had to Babinda boulders. I love the names in Queensland,
which I used to live in Queensland. So that's funny
(04:58):
and kind of scary. And you are literally such a
fucking bitch tailor lovingly lovingly Okay, So um, what that
place is it's this beautiful, you know reserve. It has
camping grounds, it has tropical rainforest, and it has a
very popular swimming hole that is totally safe to plan
and cool. Often. However, just question, yes, how many shrimps
(05:24):
are on the barbecue in this specific place, you know,
goat me. I think what we have to do is
just have you go and check it out and put
that in the podcasting budget so you can really journalistically
investigate this. Okay, I accept Wonder Cadaver Gal season two
spin off series this investigation. Okay, so sorry visiting us anyway.
(05:48):
So super normal, safe place to go swim. However, just
one point seven miles downstream from the safe swimming hole
is a naturally occurring pool known as the Devil's Pool.
Oh yeah, and this one, my friends, is off limits
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and very much not safe, hence the name the Devil's Pool. Way,
do they have like a fence around it or I mean,
and just like, you know, don't go here. It seems
like there's like a viewing area, not on top, but
like nearby the Devil's Pool where you can see it
because it's really beautiful, has naturally occurring boulders and they've
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been like smoothed out because the water kind of rushes
through them, so it's very beautiful to look at. We'll
actually post pictures, but in the viewing point it literally
says this is a no swim zone. It is very dangerous.
It is illegal to swim here. Do not do it.
And yet if we know people, we know the people
are going to do, shure that they're not supposed to do.
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So that is what happened. So Shannon and his friend
were camping and they decided to take a dip in
the Devil's Pool. M Yes, Shannon and his friend both
disappeared under the surface of the water. Now, the Devil's
Pool has many underwater shoots and strong water currents that
can pull people under like at literally any moment, and
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it looks like that's probably what happened to these campers,
and people have actually described that the waters just seem
to pull you backwards as if by an invisible force.
And what I find really creepy about this is that
the water is crystal clear. So usually if you're like
swimming somewhere, you don't really see what's going on under
but this water is actually totally beautiful. You can see
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everything and so you would think you could see if
there were like deeper holes or if there were like
spinning water underneath or whatever, like, I feel like you
would see that coming. And then the other weird thing
about this is that the water for the most part
is seemingly very still, especially in the pool area. There's
like a rapids area that leads to the waterfall, which
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even then isn't like crazy rapids. It's just like a
normal you know, waterfall or whatever, but normal rapid, a
normal rapid, a rapid at a normal rapid space. But
in like the Devil's Pool area, the water's basically still.
So you would think, oh, let me take a dip
in here, you know, why not? Why not because there's
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a sign that says, don't do it. I know, I know,
I'm just saying that. Like in your you know, in
your brain, you would be like, that looks fine, that
looks fine, and then you know, you're cooling off. It
feels nice, and next thing you know, you're being pulled
down underwater and you can't get out. And the scary
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thing is that it seems like underwater there's a lot
of logs that are jammed in the shoots and stuff,
and so a lot of people what happens is the
one they go underwater, pulled by indosible force, pulled by
the current, pulled by whatever, they actually end up getting
trapped by those logs. And there have been instances where
bodies that have been stuck there that divers have had
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to go fish out, fish out that is not the
right word to use for that, but go recover. They
have had to do sometimes seven or eight dives because
lugs keep getting jammed and branches keep getting jammed, preventing
them from going to get the bodies and making it
dangerous even for the divers to go and rescue these
people or at least retrieve obviously their corpses. So it's
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just a scary place. Now, his friend managed to actually surface,
which is great, but Shannon was nowhere to be found,
and then a search and rescue team was brought in
that day. It was a Monday, and police divers finally
found Shannon's body on Wednesday morning. So it was underwater
and it was two hundred meters upstream from the Devil's Pool.
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And this is a common occurrence. I mean, obviously it
does not happen daily, but it has happened enough to
where they have obviously made an illegal to swimmen. Since
nineteen fifty nine, around twenty people have died at the
Devil's Pool, and all except one were men, which is
common creepy. Now people have said that this proves the
Aboriginal legend that a young Indigenous woman's spirit lives in
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the Devil's Pool. And according to this story, her name
as Ulana and which is a beautiful name. And apparently, um,
she had married a very respected elder from her tribe
and they were living together, you know, doing the thing um.
But then she met a young hot man from a
different tribe and they began a secret relationship. Oh yes, yes, yes,
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they decided yeah Ulana nah. Okay. Anyway, they decided that
they wanted to be together, as you know young passionate
couples do, so they ran away to the forest near
the Devil's Pool. Now, her tribe chased her down and
captured the both of them, but she got free and
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ran to the Devil's Pool, jumping in calling for his name.
Was Diega to follow her, and then she died in
the waters, calling his name, And it is said that
she still haunts the site looking for her forbidden lover
and pulling men into the deep. Oh well, Shannon should
be lucky then to be so lucky do find Oh
(11:08):
my gosh, Gabby, I mean that's fair. So other than
the deaths that happened in the pool, because I was like, okay,
like these are underwater currents, Okay, this isn't proven to
be haunted. What did Shannon's friends say happened? Like what
was his you know, the the invisible force, the current
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just like pulled them under. I just didn't know if
he had like some no, he had a vision. Yeah,
and he also wanted to remain anonymous, which I was like,
what creepy shit happened Shannon's friend that you'd also talk about?
Secondary question? And this maybe like an asshole thing to ask,
but like, okay, so it's illegal, So like does this
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does this guy's friend die and then also get fined
for for swimming in the pool? You know, I actually
didn't check that, but I would assume so if he survived,
I mean, it's there seems like such a double whammy.
You know. I feel like he figured out why he
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was punished for, you know, so yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
but I wanted to find more evidence on like whether
this is actually haunted or not. And I have two
three pieces, three pieces, three pieces of ghost evidence. Okay,
you know it's funny. I always like doing the paranelm
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while like stories or whatever. But when it comes to
actually watching scary movies or even doing any of this
like in actual real life, other than just reading about
it very lightly, I cannot. You are so afraid of ghosts.
I am terrified because you look into these things. I
know it's weird. I just respect them a lot anyway. So,
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other than the deaths that happened in the pool, which
again many deaths, and many of them men, most of
them men, which is pretty crazy, there was a report
that a young man vanished after he kicked a plaque
that was erected honoring the dead. He fell into the
pool and drowned right after he kicked the plaque, which
is kind of kind of suss, right. And then there
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was another called Karma. Okay, yes, but that's still a
part of the spirit world, right. And there was another
disappearance in the early two thousands. Listened to this ship,
this couple, this man and a woman. They were actually
just standing on a rock formation in front of the
Devil's Pool, so they were not even inside of the pool, right,
And an eyewitness said that the water rose as if
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by a force of not nature, and took the couple
and knocked them out and brought them into the water.
And the man was never seen again. And the woman survived.
Now authority said it was a flash flood, so okay,
but still the woman survived, the man drowned. What and
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if that wasn't thank you, and if that wasn't enough.
Many images had been taken of the Devil's Pool that
apparently reveal ghostly faces coming up from the water. So
I want to see this, but there's one ghost. Well,
but imagine like all the ghosts of the men that
she's taken. Oh yeah, okay, yep, I forgot about them.
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The shrimp ghost, the ghost of shrimp on the barbecue.
I think it's a bunch of shrimp, honestly, under the
surface that are dragging people under because they don't want
to be barbecued. That's that's fair, Peter would say that
they would agree you. I'm looking at pictures of it.
Are just it's tempting, isn't it. I mean, I definitely
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will not go on the Devil's Pool because I don't
like having fun and swimming. So what I find funny
is that like there are many like swimming holes in
that just reserve in general, and they're like beautiful swimming holes.
Come like hang out, have fun. Just don't go in
the devil School, like really quietly. And then it's like,
but all the other ones a six thousand percent safe.
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I'm like, I don't know, y'all except for this other one.
Don't go to this one. Yeah, it's where get out
a good time literally exactly exactly. But that's that's that's
the story. That's the devil Spool. I love haunted things.
Chase that Mite cheers to that. Okay, I'm thank you
Nika for giving us something to be afraid of and
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you know, super proving the fact that it's haunted. This
is cadaver Gals, And when we get back, we're gonna
talk about a local haunted lake. Yay, Wow, welcome back
to cadaver Gals. And we had an issue, but now
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we're back. I mean, you don't know about the issue
because we edit. Wow, look at us. Girl Boss is editing.
But we're ever doing a live show ever it'd be
a mess. So Nika was telling us a story about
a haunted lake, and that one in Australia is obviously
not the only haunted lake out there. You know, it's
not that special. Honestly, Actually, that one does sound kind
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of special compared to other haunted lakes. But we all
live in Georgia and there is a local lake in
Georgia called Lake Lanier dan ding Ding And if you
ever look at Instagram, or if you look at TikTok,
if you know on Twitter, they talk about this, it's haunted.
(16:35):
That's what people say. I think we've all had experiences
or heard stories about Lake Lanier, And at one point
we were even going to try to make a podcast
about Lake Lanier and how it was haunted. But then
the thing as I started talking to people about Lake
Lanier and I was like, wow, this is actually just
like not as interesting as I thought it was going
to be, because a lot of times people are like, oh,
(16:57):
there's so many people who die there every year. But
you know, sadly for us as producers who want to
sensationalize things, unfortunately it is pretty average the amount of
people who die, like the people who die in like
the near other lakes around the country and around them.
I don't know the around the country. Yeah, it's honestly
like not that special. And there's like other lakes that
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are you know, have like more interesting things happening. There
is a lady who died and the fifties who drowned
and they said it was the lady. She's the lady
of the lake. And also, you know, people talk about
how a bunch of you know, cemeteries and stuff are
underneath the lake because being a man it is a
man made lake, which is like just not as fun
as a real lake, you know, like you know how
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lame it would be if you were haunting a man
made lake tbh. But yeah, there are like a bunch
of towns and stuff and like people's property that you know,
they bought up to fill in the lake, so there
were you know, cemeteries and stuff under there. But I
talked to this one historian and he was really interesting.
He was saying that like they tried to excavate a
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lot of those cemeteries before they were going to fill
in the lake. And there's just like this one story
about this little boy who I think it was a
lot of boys in that area, Like they got this
after school job for a while where they would go
and like dig up caskets and then move them to
like another part. So can you imagine traumatizing Well, I
(18:21):
know your after school job is like moving body, but
can you imaginally be the parent being like my son
or my daughter or what are my kids? I'm sending
them off to dig up bodies? Like what, I'm scared.
Well maybe they didn't have a choice, but regardless, that
is super terrifying. I don't want that to be anyone's part.
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I mean, it was like Rule Georgia. I feel like
there's probably other weird things going on at the time.
You know, this was in like the fifties, I think, No,
this was in the thirties. No, I forgot, Okay, I'll
remember one day. Yeah, it was sometime in the twentieth
century to like the mid early when this was happening.
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But I did in doing this research though. The thing
that is creepy about it, which is probably you know,
maybe similar to the logs at the Australian Devil's Pool,
but there are in Lake Lanier. Next time you go
out there on your boat, there are at least thirty
five unrecovered bodies that are at the bottom of the lake. Okay, literally,
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how do you go to Lake Lanier and swim and shotgun?
You know, white claws? Knowing that being aware of easy,
it's easy. I could do it right now. I could never.
I mean, like, I feel like everyone has swim where
some bodies are, they must have Okay, the ocean, big bathtubs.
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Can you imagine big baggy k katy k about that.
There are probably times where you are like super close
to a dead body and you don't even know it.
I mean, obviously there's times where you do when you're
at a cemetery, but like m hmmm, really makes you think,
makes you think it's like a lot of people have
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died or something. Um. But Okay, So I talked to
this guy. He's a diver at Lake Lanier and kind
of what he does is he like, if you lose
something at Lake Lanier, you can call him up and
he'll like go try to find it, which is a
fun hobby to have. And I was talking to him
and he was the one telling me that there's probably
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like thirty five bodies that haven't been recovered. And then
he was like, hey, do you know how drowning works.
And I was like, not exactly, and he's like, let
me explain it to you. So this is oh uh though.
I mean if you were like looking for like a
drunk like white girls, like you know, tennis bracelet under
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the water or whatever, I'm sure you're a little jaded, um,
but that's fair. But basically he was telling me, So
what happens when you drown is you go underneath the
water and there's like a subconscious part of your brain
that's like hey, like even if you're passed out, it's like, hey,
you need to breathe, And it's like in the what
is it called the medulla, which is the part of
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the brain where that controls all a body function. So
even when you're like passed out from lack of oxygen,
your body will breathe in Then, once your lungs are
filled with water, your body is no longer positive buoyant.
You come to negative buoyant, which means that you're heavier
than the water, and then you sink underneath the water
until you get to the bottom of the lake. This
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is drowning specifically yet, but the thing is at the
bottom of Lake Lanier is a lot of times, Like
usually when people drown, you know, they're you know, the
gases that are in your intestines and stuff will start
to like expand and they'll still be created, so eventually
you will kind of like literally balloon up. So that's
why when you find like drowned foot people, they their
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skin is really thin from like ballooning up. And so
then the ballooning up also makes you flow back to
the surface, so usually you'll be found. But the problem,
the problem with Lake Lanier is that, as we were
talking about, there was a lot of you know, towns
and properties that were underneath the lake when they filled
it in, and so there's also trees and stuff, and
they didn't cut down all of the trees, like if
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it was below a certain size, they would just you know,
they would leave it there or they would cut it down,
and so it's just basically there's all these trees underneath
the lake. So what happens is sometimes people as they're
floating down, you know, they have this negative buoyancy. But
then even if their body does start to fill with gas,
which they would make them usually float up two to
three days later, Sometimes what happens is they get stuck
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on the tree, so they get a little pop and
so they don't float to the top because they're stuck
on it, and all the gases are released from being
Oh but my gosh, So what you are describing when
people go to Lake Lanier is that there is basically
a town slash forest at the bottom of the lake.
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Even if it's you know, obviously a lot of it
was bought off, sold, blah blah whatever, torn down, there's
still that there. And then like Christmas ornaments, there are
bloated bodies stuck to these trees, bloated because got popped. Okay,
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so it's like you know when a balloon, you like
that went off into the sky and then it pops
and it falls into a tree. That's kind of like wow.
But I mean, I'm sure that's not one hundred percent accurate,
but I think to disturb everyone and feel bad, that
is the description I will use. Oh what, my goodness.
Do you know why they made Lake laneer even to
begin with? Like do they just just for recreation? Like
(23:45):
big Lake? It's fair power. Most of a lot of
the lakes and Georgia are I think, like Georgia power related,
So it's energy but I do think it was specifically.
I think when they made it, there was a prophecy
that foretold one day Seltzer water would be turned into
alcoholic Seltzer water and you want to drink it on
a boat, and that would be very popular. So I
(24:08):
think that is ultimately probably why they made it for
white claws. Yes, right, though that is probably the worst
he wait wait wait, I have a hot take, a
real hot take. Perrier Now has a real one, So
dismissive Perryer has a Seltzer now and it is it?
Is it good? I don't really like the Seltzers that much. Um,
(24:32):
but I did have a watermelon white claw recently and
that one was actually relatively Okay, that's pretty good. I'll
try the Perier one. Yeah. I'm not a lake Lida though. No. Yeah,
I don't really like Seltzers that much because when I drink,
I am just really hoping I'm gaining a lot of weight.
So I like to have, you know, more dents alcohol
(24:52):
to drink. I was actually at the beach recently and
this guy came out to and they were like, um,
do you want um? What did you say? He was like, Hey,
do you want some trollies and I was like no, like,
I'm We're fine. I was like, are you sure we
can bring them to you? And I was We're like no,
like totally fine, like absolutely totally fine. He was like, okay,
(25:15):
sorry to bother you, and I was like, you're fine,
You're absolutely fine. I just don't really like them that much.
And also I wanted to mind my business and be
with my friend. If you see a girl in a thong,
in a bikini thong, she doesn't want to really talk
to you, it's not an invitation. Lovingly, it's called getting
a good tent. Also, I'm going to a nudist beach
(25:35):
this week. I'm so excited. Anyway, Yes, great, Taylor, Yes,
what were you gonna say? I was just gonna say,
speaking of the heavier alcohols. Oh, speaking of heavy Oh.
I see Taylor's trying to usert me as hosts and
transition into her story because she was like sometimes we
(25:55):
just like, don't do that very quick. But like I'm
keeping track, Taylor, Okay, I know what's happening. And that
is the segue I was gonna do. Definitely one sent Yeah,
it was you know, alcohol and there's other alcohols besides
white Claw and sometimes you be drinking it because you
make it and then should be happening. So Taylor, why
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don't you do your story? Now? Okay, I was so great.
So I'm also going to be talking a little bit
about man drama, which I'm not trying to say that
women aren't dramatic or anything, but I really think that
we need to acknowledge that man drama exists. And here
is a grand underaple so that yes, thank you, Like
(26:40):
we're all dramatic. Let's be honest, like it's not. It's
not mutual, you know, it's not any specific gender anyway.
So this is a story about mister Jack Daniels who
was evidently a real person, but his name was Jasper,
but his buddies called him Jampa Jasper. Yeah, oh I
(27:01):
hate that Jasper? Is that is that um vampire from Twilight?
The one was actually a Confederate soldier the Alice was
dating such a good vampire name. I'd like to say
that he spoke like this a little bit and his
name was Jasper jam That accent may come in and out,
(27:23):
who knows. Um. So also I feel like this this
story should be more well known, but like maybe I'm
just dumb and didn't know about it. But um but anyway,
so if you've heard it, sorry, but if you haven't, yeah,
it's gonna be a fun time. Okay, So jass good story,
I'm done? Okay, So uh Jasper. When he was a kid,
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his mother died, his dad remarried. When he had a stepmom,
didn't like a stepmom, wasn't vibing with her, so he
ran away and he was like, I need, I need,
I need some other direction. Right, So he was taken
in by a man of God, Reverend Dan Call, who
(28:08):
also happened to be a whiskey distiller. God loves whiskey,
but does he He wouldn't have created man who then
created whiskey if he didn't like whiskey. Am I right?
That's true? What year and where is this? So this
is like the eighteen fifties? Heard? Okay? Good? So this
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is where Jack Daniels? Is it like in Kentucky or something?
Tennessee Tennessee, Tennessee, which Okay. When I was writing this,
there are so mini songs out there about Jack Daniels
Tennessee whiskey, and they just keep getting stuck in my head.
They've been stuck in my head all freaking all day yesterday.
Thank you for your sacrifice, because I know those are
(28:52):
probably all country songs. They are, but one is actually
steel Drivers, and they really like steel Drivers. So anyway,
it's all rap. It's TikTok about Tennessee whiskey. Okay, So anyway,
this is the eighteen fifties, and we cannot give Jack
Daniels the credit that for creating what we note in
(29:12):
love today as Jack Daniels. It was actually a slave
named Nathan Nearest Green and he was the real master.
Damn fucking right. Yeah, as per usual, all yeah, so
he was the one who taught Jack Daniels everything. He
was the real master. He became Jack's mentor. He actually
I believe he called him Uncle Nearest or Uncle Nathan.
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His nickname was Nearest, but his name is Nathan anyway,
So Jack Jack Daniels company does give credit where credit
is due. However, it wasn't until the New York Times
put out this article calling them out on it. They
were like, um, hello, is this guy this slave who
actually was the one like he taught Jack everything. He knows,
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like he was the one that basically they like did it,
but we'll get back there. But in twenty sixteen, Jack Daniels,
they changed up their tours and whatnot, their website and
everything and gave him credit. So thanks New York Times,
thank you for calling. Thanks for that expose exactly. So
during this time Jack was learning, was learning the ways.
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He was literally like going out and selling whiskey to
Civil War soldiers. This is like like during this time, right, um,
And apparently he was quite the salesman. People really liked it.
So back to Reverend Call who took in Jack Daniels.
He was given remember he was a preacher of Reverend Whatever,
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and he was given an ultimatum by his wife and
his congregation. They were like, Okay, you can have God
or you can have whiskey, but we'll all be damned
if you have both. So mister Reverend Call said, there's
nothing greater than God's love. So he sold his little
Oh I know he chose God over whiskey, that I know. Wow.
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But worked out for it, doubt for Jack, right, worked
out for all Jasper. He sold his distillery to Jack
for twenty five dollars, which at the time I was like, oh,
how much is that? Like that seems like a lot
of money. But it's like eight hundred and seventy dollars today,
which I thought that was going to be more. And
maybe I'm wrong because it's a whole distillery. Well, I
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mean it was like a smaller business. I mean, it's
it's not what it is today. We'll say, um okay,
fast fast forward. Civil War happening. As I said, Jasper
was selling selling the whiskey to the soldiers. Civil war happens,
slavery is abolished, and Jack and Nearest became buddies, Like
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they've been buddies the whole time, right, So Jack's like,
I'm going to hire you, and he and so Nearest
became the first master distiller, which is like really cool
and that's a pretty like prestigious position and roll like
he was the one that like created the whiskey. So
it's disappointing that it took so long to give him credit.
But Nearest, two sons and I think three grandkids, they've
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all worked for Jack Daniels sense and there are actually
even some living relatives that are working there today, which
I think that's really cool. Oh wow, that's yeah, all
in the family. That's sweet. Yeah, super cool. Anyway, I
thought all that was cool, but we're not here to
talk about that. Rev and call no longer part of
the business. Jack is doing his thing, he's single, he's
(32:32):
loving it. His nephews come in to work for him
as well. But one day Jackie Pooh got into work
early and he was like, you know, ready to make
that money. So he's like, got to do some accounting stuff,
will do do wildee, all of the fun stuff, paperwork.
So he goes to the safe. There's a picture of
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it whichle post, but it's like, I don't know, like
three or four feet tall, just based on looking at
this picture, so I don't know, it's not that big.
But he's like turning the little dial tikty tick and
what didn't you know? He forgot the gosh darn combination?
And how frustrating is that? So as any frustrated white
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man in the eighteen fifties would do, kidding, because I
would probably do this as well. Um, he kicked the
safe out of rage with his left foot and broke
his toe and yeah, so I imagine he's like, well,
ah my low fileni's doth hote? I just really like
I was really getting into his mindset yesterday, I guess,
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and this was the beginning doing a lot of good,
like character driven work right now, doing a great job. Well, well,
well we'll get back there. Um I've been if you've
had a shot of whiskey. I'm actually doing this show.
I have been enjoying doing like accents and like taking
(34:00):
on characters and stuff lately. But anyway, okay, so this
was the beginning of the end for Old jasp. So
that toe injury got infected as they do, and feed
are really gross. I hate feet. But his toe got
so bad they were like, we're gonna have to amputate
your foot, and then they were like, hmm, that's not enough.
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We're gonna need to take your leg too. And he
got a case of the gang green and that is
essentially death of tissue caused by either loss or extreme
reduction of blood flow to an area, most likely your extremities, arms, legs,
feats and whatnot. Or it's like a bacterial infection. But
I suppose they're not mutually exclusive. I was like trying
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to look up the difference between gang green and necrosis.
I was looking up the like, what the difference between
necrosis and gang green? Was, and I really it was
kind of unclear, like they're kind of they're very similar.
It's just like the death of tissue, right and one.
I think the difference is like one's buy more of
an accident and one's like kind of unnecessary. But anyway,
I accidentally looked up pictures and it is really gross.
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Don't do it. Oh my gosh, Taylor, you people hate
would be and it was just black and just I
just I hated it. I hated every part of it.
That's really nasty. Yeah, did you know that feet is
the third most eroticized part of your body after the
sex organs. I mean, I'm not surprised. I'm really gross,
(35:27):
like more than titties. Well, I think titties count as
a sex organ, but would do that, I think? Or
so it's like vagina penis, I get it, and then
and then feet or or titties might be after our feet. Actually,
if we're sex organs, it's one of those. It's one
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of those. Basically, feet are extremely eroticized that people like
are making money off of feet picks. God, I wish
that was me. Okay, anyway, so Jack is not doing
so hot. He's like I'm going to take care of
my company, so says you didn't get married or have
kids of his own. He had some nephew. Oh he
was like the youngest of ten, so surely he had
(36:08):
a lot of nieces and nephews. But um, he handed
his business over to his favorite nephews to take care
of the place. And as you and Matt can imagine,
poor old Jack Daniels met his demise, succumbing to the
Gang Green at the ripe age of sixty one on
August tenth, nineteen eleven. It is said that he could
have solved the whole thing if he just dipped his
(36:29):
toe in his own elixir, which I don't know if
that's true, but oh that's tragic though, that's ironic, but
that would be the secret. Jack Daniels recipe is just
a little bit of gang Green, you know. Oh my gosh,
my gosh. No, it's actually the well, it's about like
the filtration actually is like charcoal and like some stuff. Anyway,
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But Jack Daniels went out with some wise words. Do
you want to hear what his last words were? Yeah? Oh,
I mean yeah, okay, okay, he says, Old Jasp says,
one last drink, please, he said he wanted one last drink.
(37:15):
No word if he actually got his last drink, but
I absolutely love this. He was like, I just need
another drink. He was a huge whiskey lover, huge whiskey fan.
It was his passion. And so yeah, that's the story
of how Jack Daniels came about and went out of
this world. So there you go. I genuinely don't know
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if I've ever had Jack Daniels whiskey what You probably
had it by accident. I was gonna say, yeah, probably
by accident, but never like intentionally tasting the flavors. Just
kind of like the one year that I was a
little bit bananas and just wanted shots to get drunk
and not to actually taste anything. Literally, Well, that's when
(37:58):
you would have had it for sure. Okay, that makes
more sense. In Atlanta, that is like people's shot of choice.
It's usually like Jamison act. Actually, all right, Taylor, stop
getting us off track. I'm sorry, you know, Taylor and alcohol,
(38:19):
that's really not that off Okay, but I gotta wrap
it up so that then we can go to the
next section. Okay, oh wow, Okay, that was a great story, Taylor.
You did a terrific job with that one. Um, when
we come back, we're gonna talk about you know, some silly,
silly people who stole some whiskey. And yeah, we're right back. Heck,
(38:47):
oh we're back at Abergails. Here we are. Um wait,
our stories today are about podcasts that have died. Yeah,
they are about podcasts who have died. It's like it's
because it's like, um cadaver inception. Oh yeah, that conception.
See what's happening is the previous tangent I went on
(39:10):
was about a podcast that didn't end up working out.
But another podcast of ours that didn't end up working
out is we wanted to do a podcast about Pappy Gate,
which happened back in you know, twenty fifteen ish. Uh
and but unfortunately we never no one ever got back
to us. And the reason why is because a Netflix
(39:32):
anthology was released recently and it is featured in this.
So I understand it. I mean Netflix does have a
lot of clout, you know, so I totally get if
they wanted to go with Netflix. Okay, I understand, But
Pappy Gate. Do you guys know what Pappy van Winkle is?
I literally, yeah? Is that the guy who slept for
(39:52):
a very long time and then woke up with a
big beard and oh that's rip rip okay, gotcha, but
similar names he makes Burt it's bourbon, and yeah it's
really expensive and really delicious. Yeah. So Pappy van Winkle
is kind of fake though, because it's like basically with
(40:16):
the whiskey industry, it was like popular in like the
sixties and seventies, but then afterwards people just started drinking
like fruity drinks, which I'm like, yeah, fruity drinks are great,
So it was more like a vodka rum tequila scene.
But it wasn't until I think it was like the
early two thousands or so, where some whiskey was becoming
(40:36):
more popular. And then I think we all remember the
hipster era where craft bourbon, craft whiskey was super popular
and everyone was sipping on and everyone was like, yeah,
whiskey down God or whatever. So Pappy van Winkle is
it interesting because it is very It is notoriously hard
to find. Usually if you find it in a story,
(40:58):
it goes for like three hundred dollars. But then there's
also like the whiskey black market, where some people have
bought it for like thousands of dollars because people are dumb.
It's like, it's also funny because a lot of Pappy
van I think it's a lot of hype because like
this whiskey didn't exist until like two thousand and five.
Like the way they market it, it it seems like it's
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been around forever. I mean, it's like aged a lot
of years. But it's kind of just like I feel
like this is a lot with whiskey brands and like
Craft Whiskey is a lot of it's just like really
good marketing and it's trying to like hype itself up.
So it's kind of like, I mean not brag. I've
had Pappy before and it's fine. You know, it's not
(41:38):
like the best. It just they just make it seem
like it's cool because it's rare and was aged a
long time, which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good whiskey.
So I'm just like super alt and not really that
into it. So but there is this guy, Okay, so
Pappy Gate. What had happened is in the late nineteen eighties,
(41:58):
this guy named Gilbert Toby Kurt Singer. He goes by Toby.
He started working at the Flow Trace distillery and he,
you know, had a really good career there, had like
was doing a lot of different jobs from like you know,
managing the distillery to like you know, doing all the
sorts of stuff with the business, and saw sort of
like a typical sort of thing that people would do
(42:18):
was like at the end of your work day, yeah,
to take a couple of bottles of whiskey home, which
that seems like a lot of whiskey, but you know,
that was like kind of a normal thing. But he
ended up, you know, taking a few more bottles home
and he started selling them, and he was like, oh,
this is kind of lucrative. So he ended up creating
a whole Okay, I was gonna say he started making
(42:41):
a whole whiskey sailing ring, but that makes it sound
too fancy. I think he was just a guy who
like worked at a place and was like, oh, I
can take these bottles easily. And he had he got
a bunch of like distributors. And by distributors, I mean
he started kind of working with members of his softball team,
okay too. Sort of he would take whiskey from the
(43:03):
distillery and then he would sell it and burst it
amongst his softball team, and then they would sell to
other people. And there's some other people involved, like his
wife and his father in law, and I think there
was even a police officer that was kind of involved
in this ring because he was specifically taking Pappy van Winkle. Yeah.
He so he took rare riskies like pap van Winkle
(43:24):
and other types of whiskies and then they would you know,
resell them on this you know softball gang. What Yeah,
when was this? What year was this? Sorry? So? And
this was in I think they said he started doing
this maybe in the early two thousands, but it was
in twenty thirteen where the distillery finally actually you know,
(43:45):
complained and realized, hey, we are missing two hundred bottles
of Pappy van Winkle. Wow. Oh So at this point
police were like what And so they you know, talked
to a lot of employees. They couldn't figure it out
until in twenty fifteen, they got an anonymous tip that
this guy, Toby someone had spotted in his backyard multiple
barrels that had and spray painted black, and so the
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cops went over there. They did a raid that was
apparently like very casual. It was just like the most
casual raids where they just went in they're like, yeah,
there's the barrels, and then Toby was out on the
porch just being like, yeah, I stole those what whatever.
But they were they were actually those barrels weren't from
the Buffalo Trace distillery. Those were from the Wild Turkey Distillery.
So you know, I guess he had moved his operation
(44:31):
to you know, like other distilleries too, and they found
like of those barrels that was probably worth you know,
like thirty thousand dollars or something like that, and that
was just you know, one one raid on his thing.
But yeah, obviously you know, uh, Pabby van Winkle is
a little bit more valuable than that. So there they
were estimating in total over his uh you know, buff
(44:52):
his Buffalo Trace smuggling that he might have you know,
ended up you know, stealing like one hundred thousand dollars
worth of whiskey redistributing it. That's a lot. Yeah, but
you know it's kind of like not that much. You know,
it just seems like this was like a casual thing
he was doing that got out of hand, you know,
just like taken too many paper clips from the office.
Soon you have like a whole paper clip deficit, you know,
(45:15):
but it's whiskey because that's the supplies they have at
the distillery. Instead of stapling, they just dump whiskey on things. Great.
But yeah, so in he was caught and then in
twenty seventeen he pleaded guilty. There's a bunch of other people.
It was like a racketeering case, and a bunch of
other people were indicted, but no one was sentenced to
time except for Toby. He was sentenced to fifteen years
(45:39):
in prison. Wow, for one hundred thousand dollars estimated stolen product.
But you know, because it wasn't a violent crime and
he was the first time offender. In twenty eighteen, he
was released from prison and he's been on parole. He's
going to be on parole until twenty twenty three, and
also got his Netflix documentary, So good for him. Hopefully
he got some money for that, you know, because apparently,
(46:01):
you know, he's really been struggling. Obviously, he was fired
from the distiller. Yes, obviously he was fired, and so
true support his family. He's been painting houses apparently, So yeah,
this doesn't seem like it was this big mastermind plan.
You know, yeah, and he said, like he hasn't really
spoken to the media that much, but the times that
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he has, he's always like, I'm sorry for what I did,
but I wasn't exactly I mean kind of exactly what
you said. He's like, I wasn't a mastermind. I wasn't
like some brilliant like gangster stealing whiskey or whatever, or
like bootlegging, like you know, he wasn't even bootlegging at all,
you know, and like that's obviously a huge part of
like whiskey history. But yeah, so I really do feel
(46:46):
like it was it's not as it is fun It
is funny. It is funny, but it's also you know,
it wasn't it's I guess it's like sometimes you know,
that fine line between like when do you become a criminal?
Actually that's why he was doing this over like two decades,
so you know whatever. So that's the story of Toby
and PAPPI game. Great. Now you don't have to watch
(47:07):
the Netflix series. I think you did a really great job.
So don't even worry about Netflix. Yeah, don't even worry
about Netflix. You don't even have to look at it.
Look at it. Yeah, um, yeah, I scooped Netflix because
it came out I scooped him. All right, Um, well,
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this has been another episode of Cadaver Gaws and we're
so happy that you've listened thus far. And if you haven't, uh,
may you not get any whiskey? Just god? Is that
a threat? Be careful our own bodies of water, is
what I'm gonna say. Yeah, especially if you're drunk on
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whisky or a white claw. Truly truly noted. O. All right,
this is cadaver Gals. We'll talk at you next week. Argal.
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Cadaver Gals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.
It is hosted and all the things by me, Gabby Watts,
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(48:37):
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Cadaver Gals. This is a show or we talk about
all the weird ways people have died throughout history so
that we can cope with our own mortality. Look at
us coping. We're doing a great job. Taylor's in a bathroom. Yeah,
(00:28):
sitting on a toilet right now, which is in the bathroom.
That's not how you're supposed to use it, Taylor, that
would disgusting. The image that is going through my brain
right now is actually really gross. Well, speaking of trigger warnings,
just triggered Nika. But on this today's episode, we're going
(00:50):
to be talking about a haunted lake in Australia, Australia. Yeah, sorry,
Australian listeners don't appreciate that. But Nika's kind of authentic
to Australia, so it's okay. It's okay you do that.
Then we'll also hear about the death of a prominent
(01:11):
whiskey gentleman, so woot woot. Today's trigger warnings. We're going
to have ghosts, drowning, drinking infections, and you know what,
no rape and incests today, So you guys are lucky.
This is a special treat. You're welcome. All right. Well
(01:33):
we'll get into it after the theme. So Nika tell
us about this uh lake, Yes, likes, Yes, you know,
(02:02):
likes is where we go, you know, put some shrimp
on the bar, abby, we got a camping. It's fun,
it's great with me. Yep, I feel like you do
Australia stuff just to like I feel like you're just
like trolling Australians. Now, No, I no, I'm not. I
really do miss the continent like I do, and I guess,
(02:22):
and and it has such weird stories, like people always
say that Florida is the Australia of the US, but honestly,
I don't think anything's like Australia. Okay, big love from
am I right. Okay, So this is actually a pretty
tragic story though, so I'm gonna tone it down now. Um.
So we are going to a haunted lake in a
haunted place. Um, it's a pretty sad story. So let's
(02:46):
start with Australian people. Most are actually pretty outdoorsy, and
they love to camp and hike and be outside and barbecue.
They love to go to the beach when they can.
I mean, I remember when I was younger, like they
would go like barefoot or like in flip flops, literally everywhere.
It's just such a chill place to be though, You're
like really profiling these people, like all like water, they
(03:10):
all like the outdoors. You know what I want to
stand up for the inside Australian firs who have never
gone outside before and they live in a dark basement. Okay,
well yes, no, okay, that's fair. Yes, we're not going
to profile all Australians, but it is very Australian culture
to be like, I let's go comping. Put some shrimp
(03:31):
on the bobby, you know what I mean? Um, just no,
at least just from what I remember, And honestly, I
have some great memories there, so I'm not I'm not
even mad about it. How do you put the shrimp
on the barbie? Because wouldn't it just fall through? That's
a great question. I've always wondered that two gaps Australian
listeners at us. How do you push from barbecue big daddies?
(03:52):
They would have to be big daddies. What I will
say is when I did go to barbecues, Um, first
of all, there was never shrimps, So I don't know
why I always say shrimp on the bobby. Second of all, um,
there was always usually like dogs like and they were amazing.
But um, instead of using hot dog buns, they would
use white bread sandwich bread like as the bun and
(04:14):
they would just wrap it around and it was like
the most normal thing in the world. And I actually
thought that that was the way normal hot dogs were
until I went to the US and found out indeed
that is not the case anyway. So I mean, why
does a bun accept brad? You know, I think that's fine. Well,
thank you for validating the Australians. So, um, so you know, camping,
(04:38):
we're doing it. We love it. I mean I don't
like it, but some people do. And that is exactly
what thirty seven year old Shannon Hoffman was planning to
do with his bunny around October of twenty twenty, so
this is pretty recently. So they pack up and they
had to Babinda boulders. I love the names in Queensland,
which I used to live in Queensland. So that's funny
(04:58):
and kind of scary. And you are literally such a
fucking bitch tailor lovingly lovingly Okay, So um, what that
place is it's this beautiful, you know reserve. It has
camping grounds, it has tropical rainforest, and it has a
very popular swimming hole that is totally safe to plan
and cool. Often. However, just question, yes, how many shrimps
(05:24):
are on the barbecue in this specific place, you know,
goat me. I think what we have to do is
just have you go and check it out and put
that in the podcasting budget so you can really journalistically
investigate this. Okay, I accept Wonder Cadaver Gal season two
spin off series this investigation. Okay, so sorry visiting us anyway.
(05:48):
So super normal, safe place to go swim. However, just
one point seven miles downstream from the safe swimming hole
is a naturally occurring pool known as the Devil's Pool.
Oh yeah, and this one, my friends, is off limits
(06:08):
and very much not safe, hence the name the Devil's Pool. Way,
do they have like a fence around it or I mean,
and just like, you know, don't go here. It seems
like there's like a viewing area, not on top, but
like nearby the Devil's Pool where you can see it
because it's really beautiful, has naturally occurring boulders and they've
(06:29):
been like smoothed out because the water kind of rushes
through them, so it's very beautiful to look at. We'll
actually post pictures, but in the viewing point it literally
says this is a no swim zone. It is very dangerous.
It is illegal to swim here. Do not do it.
And yet if we know people, we know the people
are going to do, shure that they're not supposed to do.
(06:49):
So that is what happened. So Shannon and his friend
were camping and they decided to take a dip in
the Devil's Pool. M Yes, Shannon and his friend both
disappeared under the surface of the water. Now, the Devil's
Pool has many underwater shoots and strong water currents that
can pull people under like at literally any moment, and
(07:10):
it looks like that's probably what happened to these campers,
and people have actually described that the waters just seem
to pull you backwards as if by an invisible force.
And what I find really creepy about this is that
the water is crystal clear. So usually if you're like
swimming somewhere, you don't really see what's going on under
but this water is actually totally beautiful. You can see
(07:31):
everything and so you would think you could see if
there were like deeper holes or if there were like
spinning water underneath or whatever, like, I feel like you
would see that coming. And then the other weird thing
about this is that the water for the most part
is seemingly very still, especially in the pool area. There's
like a rapids area that leads to the waterfall, which
(07:53):
even then isn't like crazy rapids. It's just like a
normal you know, waterfall or whatever, but normal rapid, a
normal rapid, a rapid at a normal rapid space. But
in like the Devil's Pool area, the water's basically still.
So you would think, oh, let me take a dip
in here, you know, why not? Why not because there's
(08:14):
a sign that says, don't do it. I know, I know,
I'm just saying that. Like in your you know, in
your brain, you would be like, that looks fine, that
looks fine, and then you know, you're cooling off. It
feels nice, and next thing you know, you're being pulled
down underwater and you can't get out. And the scary
(08:35):
thing is that it seems like underwater there's a lot
of logs that are jammed in the shoots and stuff,
and so a lot of people what happens is the
one they go underwater, pulled by indosible force, pulled by
the current, pulled by whatever, they actually end up getting
trapped by those logs. And there have been instances where
bodies that have been stuck there that divers have had
(08:55):
to go fish out, fish out that is not the
right word to use for that, but go recover. They
have had to do sometimes seven or eight dives because
lugs keep getting jammed and branches keep getting jammed, preventing
them from going to get the bodies and making it
dangerous even for the divers to go and rescue these
people or at least retrieve obviously their corpses. So it's
(09:18):
just a scary place. Now, his friend managed to actually surface,
which is great, but Shannon was nowhere to be found,
and then a search and rescue team was brought in
that day. It was a Monday, and police divers finally
found Shannon's body on Wednesday morning. So it was underwater
and it was two hundred meters upstream from the Devil's Pool.
(09:39):
And this is a common occurrence. I mean, obviously it
does not happen daily, but it has happened enough to
where they have obviously made an illegal to swimmen. Since
nineteen fifty nine, around twenty people have died at the
Devil's Pool, and all except one were men, which is
common creepy. Now people have said that this proves the
Aboriginal legend that a young Indigenous woman's spirit lives in
(10:02):
the Devil's Pool. And according to this story, her name
as Ulana and which is a beautiful name. And apparently, um,
she had married a very respected elder from her tribe
and they were living together, you know, doing the thing um.
But then she met a young hot man from a
different tribe and they began a secret relationship. Oh yes, yes, yes,
(10:25):
they decided yeah Ulana nah. Okay. Anyway, they decided that
they wanted to be together, as you know young passionate
couples do, so they ran away to the forest near
the Devil's Pool. Now, her tribe chased her down and
captured the both of them, but she got free and
(10:46):
ran to the Devil's Pool, jumping in calling for his name.
Was Diega to follow her, and then she died in
the waters, calling his name, And it is said that
she still haunts the site looking for her forbidden lover
and pulling men into the deep. Oh well, Shannon should
be lucky then to be so lucky do find Oh
(11:08):
my gosh, Gabby, I mean that's fair. So other than
the deaths that happened in the pool, because I was like, okay,
like these are underwater currents, Okay, this isn't proven to
be haunted. What did Shannon's friends say happened? Like what
was his you know, the the invisible force, the current
(11:29):
just like pulled them under. I just didn't know if
he had like some no, he had a vision. Yeah,
and he also wanted to remain anonymous, which I was like,
what creepy shit happened Shannon's friend that you'd also talk about?
Secondary question? And this maybe like an asshole thing to ask,
but like, okay, so it's illegal, So like does this
(11:49):
does this guy's friend die and then also get fined
for for swimming in the pool? You know, I actually
didn't check that, but I would assume so if he survived,
I mean, it's there seems like such a double whammy.
You know. I feel like he figured out why he
(12:13):
was punished for, you know, so yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
but I wanted to find more evidence on like whether
this is actually haunted or not. And I have two
three pieces, three pieces, three pieces of ghost evidence. Okay,
you know it's funny. I always like doing the paranelm
(12:34):
while like stories or whatever. But when it comes to
actually watching scary movies or even doing any of this
like in actual real life, other than just reading about
it very lightly, I cannot. You are so afraid of ghosts.
I am terrified because you look into these things. I
know it's weird. I just respect them a lot anyway. So,
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other than the deaths that happened in the pool, which
again many deaths, and many of them men, most of
them men, which is pretty crazy, there was a report
that a young man vanished after he kicked a plaque
that was erected honoring the dead. He fell into the
pool and drowned right after he kicked the plaque, which
is kind of kind of suss, right. And then there
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was another called Karma. Okay, yes, but that's still a
part of the spirit world, right. And there was another
disappearance in the early two thousands. Listened to this ship,
this couple, this man and a woman. They were actually
just standing on a rock formation in front of the
Devil's Pool, so they were not even inside of the pool, right,
And an eyewitness said that the water rose as if
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by a force of not nature, and took the couple
and knocked them out and brought them into the water.
And the man was never seen again. And the woman survived.
Now authority said it was a flash flood, so okay,
but still the woman survived, the man drowned. What and
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if that wasn't thank you, and if that wasn't enough.
Many images had been taken of the Devil's Pool that
apparently reveal ghostly faces coming up from the water. So
I want to see this, but there's one ghost. Well,
but imagine like all the ghosts of the men that
she's taken. Oh yeah, okay, yep, I forgot about them.
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The shrimp ghost, the ghost of shrimp on the barbecue.
I think it's a bunch of shrimp, honestly, under the
surface that are dragging people under because they don't want
to be barbecued. That's that's fair, Peter would say that
they would agree you. I'm looking at pictures of it.
Are just it's tempting, isn't it. I mean, I definitely
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will not go on the Devil's Pool because I don't
like having fun and swimming. So what I find funny
is that like there are many like swimming holes in
that just reserve in general, and they're like beautiful swimming holes.
Come like hang out, have fun. Just don't go in
the devil School, like really quietly. And then it's like,
but all the other ones a six thousand percent safe.
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I'm like, I don't know, y'all except for this other one.
Don't go to this one. Yeah, it's where get out
a good time literally exactly exactly. But that's that's that's
the story. That's the devil Spool. I love haunted things.
Chase that Mite cheers to that. Okay, I'm thank you
Nika for giving us something to be afraid of and
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you know, super proving the fact that it's haunted. This
is cadaver Gals, And when we get back, we're gonna
talk about a local haunted lake. Yay, Wow, welcome back
to cadaver Gals. And we had an issue, but now
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we're back. I mean, you don't know about the issue
because we edit. Wow, look at us. Girl Boss is editing.
But we're ever doing a live show ever it'd be
a mess. So Nika was telling us a story about
a haunted lake, and that one in Australia is obviously
not the only haunted lake out there. You know, it's
not that special. Honestly, Actually, that one does sound kind
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of special compared to other haunted lakes. But we all
live in Georgia and there is a local lake in
Georgia called Lake Lanier dan ding Ding And if you
ever look at Instagram, or if you look at TikTok,
if you know on Twitter, they talk about this, it's haunted.
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That's what people say. I think we've all had experiences
or heard stories about Lake Lanier, And at one point
we were even going to try to make a podcast
about Lake Lanier and how it was haunted. But then
the thing as I started talking to people about Lake
Lanier and I was like, wow, this is actually just
like not as interesting as I thought it was going
to be, because a lot of times people are like, oh,
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there's so many people who die there every year. But
you know, sadly for us as producers who want to
sensationalize things, unfortunately it is pretty average the amount of
people who die, like the people who die in like
the near other lakes around the country and around them.
I don't know the around the country. Yeah, it's honestly
like not that special. And there's like other lakes that
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are you know, have like more interesting things happening. There
is a lady who died and the fifties who drowned
and they said it was the lady. She's the lady
of the lake. And also, you know, people talk about
how a bunch of you know, cemeteries and stuff are
underneath the lake because being a man it is a
man made lake, which is like just not as fun
as a real lake, you know, like you know how
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lame it would be if you were haunting a man
made lake tbh. But yeah, there are like a bunch
of towns and stuff and like people's property that you know,
they bought up to fill in the lake, so there
were you know, cemeteries and stuff under there. But I
talked to this one historian and he was really interesting.
He was saying that like they tried to excavate a
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lot of those cemeteries before they were going to fill
in the lake. And there's just like this one story
about this little boy who I think it was a
lot of boys in that area, Like they got this
after school job for a while where they would go
and like dig up caskets and then move them to
like another part. So can you imagine traumatizing Well, I
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know your after school job is like moving body, but
can you imaginally be the parent being like my son
or my daughter or what are my kids? I'm sending
them off to dig up bodies? Like what, I'm scared.
Well maybe they didn't have a choice, but regardless, that
is super terrifying. I don't want that to be anyone's part.
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I mean, it was like Rule Georgia. I feel like
there's probably other weird things going on at the time.
You know, this was in like the fifties, I think, No,
this was in the thirties. No, I forgot, Okay, I'll
remember one day. Yeah, it was sometime in the twentieth
century to like the mid early when this was happening.
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But I did in doing this research though. The thing
that is creepy about it, which is probably you know,
maybe similar to the logs at the Australian Devil's Pool,
but there are in Lake Lanier. Next time you go
out there on your boat, there are at least thirty
five unrecovered bodies that are at the bottom of the lake. Okay, literally,
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how do you go to Lake Lanier and swim and shotgun?
You know, white claws? Knowing that being aware of easy,
it's easy. I could do it right now. I could never.
I mean, like, I feel like everyone has swim where
some bodies are, they must have Okay, the ocean, big bathtubs.
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Can you imagine big baggy k katy k about that.
There are probably times where you are like super close
to a dead body and you don't even know it.
I mean, obviously there's times where you do when you're
at a cemetery, but like m hmmm, really makes you think,
makes you think it's like a lot of people have
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died or something. Um. But Okay, So I talked to
this guy. He's a diver at Lake Lanier and kind
of what he does is he like, if you lose
something at Lake Lanier, you can call him up and
he'll like go try to find it, which is a
fun hobby to have. And I was talking to him
and he was the one telling me that there's probably
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like thirty five bodies that haven't been recovered. And then
he was like, hey, do you know how drowning works.
And I was like, not exactly, and he's like, let
me explain it to you. So this is oh uh though.
I mean if you were like looking for like a
drunk like white girls, like you know, tennis bracelet under
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the water or whatever, I'm sure you're a little jaded, um,
but that's fair. But basically he was telling me, So
what happens when you drown is you go underneath the
water and there's like a subconscious part of your brain
that's like hey, like even if you're passed out, it's like, hey,
you need to breathe, And it's like in the what
is it called the medulla, which is the part of
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the brain where that controls all a body function. So
even when you're like passed out from lack of oxygen,
your body will breathe in Then, once your lungs are
filled with water, your body is no longer positive buoyant.
You come to negative buoyant, which means that you're heavier
than the water, and then you sink underneath the water
until you get to the bottom of the lake. This
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is drowning specifically yet, but the thing is at the
bottom of Lake Lanier is a lot of times, Like
usually when people drown, you know, they're you know, the
gases that are in your intestines and stuff will start
to like expand and they'll still be created, so eventually
you will kind of like literally balloon up. So that's
why when you find like drowned foot people, they their
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skin is really thin from like ballooning up. And so
then the ballooning up also makes you flow back to
the surface, so usually you'll be found. But the problem,
the problem with Lake Lanier is that, as we were
talking about, there was a lot of you know, towns
and properties that were underneath the lake when they filled
it in, and so there's also trees and stuff, and
they didn't cut down all of the trees, like if
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it was below a certain size, they would just you know,
they would leave it there or they would cut it down,
and so it's just basically there's all these trees underneath
the lake. So what happens is sometimes people as they're
floating down, you know, they have this negative buoyancy. But
then even if their body does start to fill with gas,
which they would make them usually float up two to
three days later, Sometimes what happens is they get stuck
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on the tree, so they get a little pop and
so they don't float to the top because they're stuck
on it, and all the gases are released from being
Oh but my gosh, So what you are describing when
people go to Lake Lanier is that there is basically
a town slash forest at the bottom of the lake.
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Even if it's you know, obviously a lot of it
was bought off, sold, blah blah whatever, torn down, there's
still that there. And then like Christmas ornaments, there are
bloated bodies stuck to these trees, bloated because got popped. Okay,
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so it's like you know when a balloon, you like
that went off into the sky and then it pops
and it falls into a tree. That's kind of like wow.
But I mean, I'm sure that's not one hundred percent accurate,
but I think to disturb everyone and feel bad, that
is the description I will use. Oh what, my goodness.
Do you know why they made Lake laneer even to
begin with? Like do they just just for recreation? Like
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big Lake? It's fair power. Most of a lot of
the lakes and Georgia are I think, like Georgia power related,
So it's energy but I do think it was specifically.
I think when they made it, there was a prophecy
that foretold one day Seltzer water would be turned into
alcoholic Seltzer water and you want to drink it on
a boat, and that would be very popular. So I
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think that is ultimately probably why they made it for
white claws. Yes, right, though that is probably the worst
he wait wait wait, I have a hot take, a
real hot take. Perrier Now has a real one, So
dismissive Perryer has a Seltzer now and it is it?
Is it good? I don't really like the Seltzers that much. Um,
(24:32):
but I did have a watermelon white claw recently and
that one was actually relatively Okay, that's pretty good. I'll
try the Perier one. Yeah. I'm not a lake Lida though. No. Yeah,
I don't really like Seltzers that much because when I drink,
I am just really hoping I'm gaining a lot of weight.
So I like to have, you know, more dents alcohol
(24:52):
to drink. I was actually at the beach recently and
this guy came out to and they were like, um,
do you want um? What did you say? He was like, Hey,
do you want some trollies and I was like no, like,
I'm We're fine. I was like, are you sure we
can bring them to you? And I was We're like no,
like totally fine, like absolutely totally fine. He was like, okay,
(25:15):
sorry to bother you, and I was like, you're fine,
You're absolutely fine. I just don't really like them that much.
And also I wanted to mind my business and be
with my friend. If you see a girl in a thong,
in a bikini thong, she doesn't want to really talk
to you, it's not an invitation. Lovingly, it's called getting
a good tent. Also, I'm going to a nudist beach
(25:35):
this week. I'm so excited. Anyway, Yes, great, Taylor, Yes,
what were you gonna say? I was just gonna say,
speaking of the heavier alcohols. Oh, speaking of heavy Oh.
I see Taylor's trying to usert me as hosts and
transition into her story because she was like sometimes we
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just like, don't do that very quick. But like I'm
keeping track, Taylor, Okay, I know what's happening. And that
is the segue I was gonna do. Definitely one sent Yeah,
it was you know, alcohol and there's other alcohols besides
white Claw and sometimes you be drinking it because you
make it and then should be happening. So Taylor, why
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don't you do your story? Now? Okay, I was so great.
So I'm also going to be talking a little bit
about man drama, which I'm not trying to say that
women aren't dramatic or anything, but I really think that
we need to acknowledge that man drama exists. And here
is a grand underaple so that yes, thank you, Like
(26:40):
we're all dramatic. Let's be honest, like it's not. It's
not mutual, you know, it's not any specific gender anyway.
So this is a story about mister Jack Daniels who
was evidently a real person, but his name was Jasper,
but his buddies called him Jampa Jasper. Yeah, oh I
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hate that Jasper? Is that is that um vampire from Twilight?
The one was actually a Confederate soldier the Alice was
dating such a good vampire name. I'd like to say
that he spoke like this a little bit and his
name was Jasper jam That accent may come in and out,
(27:23):
who knows. Um. So also I feel like this this
story should be more well known, but like maybe I'm
just dumb and didn't know about it. But um but anyway,
so if you've heard it, sorry, but if you haven't, yeah,
it's gonna be a fun time. Okay, So jass good story,
I'm done? Okay, So uh Jasper. When he was a kid,
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his mother died, his dad remarried. When he had a stepmom,
didn't like a stepmom, wasn't vibing with her, so he
ran away and he was like, I need, I need,
I need some other direction. Right, So he was taken
in by a man of God, Reverend Dan Call, who
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also happened to be a whiskey distiller. God loves whiskey,
but does he He wouldn't have created man who then
created whiskey if he didn't like whiskey. Am I right?
That's true? What year and where is this? So this
is like the eighteen fifties? Heard? Okay? Good? So this
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is where Jack Daniels? Is it like in Kentucky or something?
Tennessee Tennessee, Tennessee, which Okay. When I was writing this,
there are so mini songs out there about Jack Daniels
Tennessee whiskey, and they just keep getting stuck in my head.
They've been stuck in my head all freaking all day yesterday.
Thank you for your sacrifice, because I know those are
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probably all country songs. They are, but one is actually
steel Drivers, and they really like steel Drivers. So anyway,
it's all rap. It's TikTok about Tennessee whiskey. Okay, So anyway,
this is the eighteen fifties, and we cannot give Jack
Daniels the credit that for creating what we note in
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love today as Jack Daniels. It was actually a slave
named Nathan Nearest Green and he was the real master.
Damn fucking right. Yeah, as per usual, all yeah, so
he was the one who taught Jack Daniels everything. He
was the real master. He became Jack's mentor. He actually
I believe he called him Uncle Nearest or Uncle Nathan.
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His nickname was Nearest, but his name is Nathan anyway,
So Jack Jack Daniels company does give credit where credit
is due. However, it wasn't until the New York Times
put out this article calling them out on it. They
were like, um, hello, is this guy this slave who
actually was the one like he taught Jack everything. He knows,
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like he was the one that basically they like did it,
but we'll get back there. But in twenty sixteen, Jack Daniels,
they changed up their tours and whatnot, their website and
everything and gave him credit. So thanks New York Times,
thank you for calling. Thanks for that expose exactly. So
during this time Jack was learning, was learning the ways.
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He was literally like going out and selling whiskey to
Civil War soldiers. This is like like during this time, right, um,
And apparently he was quite the salesman. People really liked it.
So back to Reverend Call who took in Jack Daniels.
He was given remember he was a preacher of Reverend Whatever,
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and he was given an ultimatum by his wife and
his congregation. They were like, Okay, you can have God
or you can have whiskey, but we'll all be damned
if you have both. So mister Reverend Call said, there's
nothing greater than God's love. So he sold his little
Oh I know he chose God over whiskey, that I know. Wow.
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But worked out for it, doubt for Jack, right, worked
out for all Jasper. He sold his distillery to Jack
for twenty five dollars, which at the time I was like, oh,
how much is that? Like that seems like a lot
of money. But it's like eight hundred and seventy dollars today,
which I thought that was going to be more. And
maybe I'm wrong because it's a whole distillery. Well, I
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mean it was like a smaller business. I mean, it's
it's not what it is today. We'll say, um okay,
fast fast forward. Civil War happening. As I said, Jasper
was selling selling the whiskey to the soldiers. Civil war happens,
slavery is abolished, and Jack and Nearest became buddies, Like
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they've been buddies the whole time, right, So Jack's like,
I'm going to hire you, and he and so Nearest
became the first master distiller, which is like really cool
and that's a pretty like prestigious position and roll like
he was the one that like created the whiskey. So
it's disappointing that it took so long to give him credit.
But Nearest, two sons and I think three grandkids, they've
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all worked for Jack Daniels sense and there are actually
even some living relatives that are working there today, which
I think that's really cool. Oh wow, that's yeah, all
in the family. That's sweet. Yeah, super cool. Anyway, I
thought all that was cool, but we're not here to
talk about that. Rev and call no longer part of
the business. Jack is doing his thing, he's single, he's
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loving it. His nephews come in to work for him
as well. But one day Jackie Pooh got into work
early and he was like, you know, ready to make
that money. So he's like, got to do some accounting stuff,
will do do wildee, all of the fun stuff, paperwork.
So he goes to the safe. There's a picture of
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it whichle post, but it's like, I don't know, like
three or four feet tall, just based on looking at
this picture, so I don't know, it's not that big.
But he's like turning the little dial tikty tick and
what didn't you know? He forgot the gosh darn combination?
And how frustrating is that? So as any frustrated white
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man in the eighteen fifties would do, kidding, because I
would probably do this as well. Um, he kicked the
safe out of rage with his left foot and broke
his toe and yeah, so I imagine he's like, well,
ah my low fileni's doth hote? I just really like
I was really getting into his mindset yesterday, I guess,
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and this was the beginning doing a lot of good,
like character driven work right now, doing a great job. Well, well,
well we'll get back there. Um I've been if you've
had a shot of whiskey. I'm actually doing this show.
I have been enjoying doing like accents and like taking
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on characters and stuff lately. But anyway, okay, so this
was the beginning of the end for Old jasp. So
that toe injury got infected as they do, and feed
are really gross. I hate feet. But his toe got
so bad they were like, we're gonna have to amputate
your foot, and then they were like, hmm, that's not enough.
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We're gonna need to take your leg too. And he
got a case of the gang green and that is
essentially death of tissue caused by either loss or extreme
reduction of blood flow to an area, most likely your extremities, arms, legs,
feats and whatnot. Or it's like a bacterial infection. But
I suppose they're not mutually exclusive. I was like trying
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to look up the difference between gang green and necrosis.
I was looking up the like, what the difference between
necrosis and gang green? Was, and I really it was
kind of unclear, like they're kind of they're very similar.
It's just like the death of tissue, right and one.
I think the difference is like one's buy more of
an accident and one's like kind of unnecessary. But anyway,
I accidentally looked up pictures and it is really gross.
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Don't do it. Oh my gosh, Taylor, you people hate
would be and it was just black and just I
just I hated it. I hated every part of it.
That's really nasty. Yeah, did you know that feet is
the third most eroticized part of your body after the
sex organs. I mean, I'm not surprised. I'm really gross,
(35:27):
like more than titties. Well, I think titties count as
a sex organ, but would do that, I think? Or
so it's like vagina penis, I get it, and then
and then feet or or titties might be after our feet. Actually,
if we're sex organs, it's one of those. It's one
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of those. Basically, feet are extremely eroticized that people like
are making money off of feet picks. God, I wish
that was me. Okay, anyway, so Jack is not doing
so hot. He's like I'm going to take care of
my company, so says you didn't get married or have
kids of his own. He had some nephew. Oh he
was like the youngest of ten, so surely he had
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a lot of nieces and nephews. But um, he handed
his business over to his favorite nephews to take care
of the place. And as you and Matt can imagine,
poor old Jack Daniels met his demise, succumbing to the
Gang Green at the ripe age of sixty one on
August tenth, nineteen eleven. It is said that he could
have solved the whole thing if he just dipped his
(36:29):
toe in his own elixir, which I don't know if
that's true, but oh that's tragic though, that's ironic, but
that would be the secret. Jack Daniels recipe is just
a little bit of gang Green, you know. Oh my gosh,
my gosh. No, it's actually the well, it's about like
the filtration actually is like charcoal and like some stuff. Anyway,
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But Jack Daniels went out with some wise words. Do
you want to hear what his last words were? Yeah? Oh,
I mean yeah, okay, okay, he says, Old Jasp says,
one last drink, please, he said he wanted one last drink.
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No word if he actually got his last drink, but
I absolutely love this. He was like, I just need
another drink. He was a huge whiskey lover, huge whiskey fan.
It was his passion. And so yeah, that's the story
of how Jack Daniels came about and went out of
this world. So there you go. I genuinely don't know
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if I've ever had Jack Daniels whiskey what You probably
had it by accident. I was gonna say, yeah, probably
by accident, but never like intentionally tasting the flavors. Just
kind of like the one year that I was a
little bit bananas and just wanted shots to get drunk
and not to actually taste anything. Literally, Well, that's when
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you would have had it for sure. Okay, that makes
more sense. In Atlanta, that is like people's shot of choice.
It's usually like Jamison act. Actually, all right, Taylor, stop
getting us off track. I'm sorry, you know, Taylor and alcohol,
(38:19):
that's really not that off Okay, but I gotta wrap
it up so that then we can go to the
next section. Okay, oh wow, Okay, that was a great story, Taylor.
You did a terrific job with that one. Um, when
we come back, we're gonna talk about you know, some silly,
silly people who stole some whiskey. And yeah, we're right back. Heck,
(38:47):
oh we're back at Abergails. Here we are. Um wait,
our stories today are about podcasts that have died. Yeah,
they are about podcasts who have died. It's like it's
because it's like, um cadaver inception. Oh yeah, that conception.
See what's happening is the previous tangent I went on
(39:10):
was about a podcast that didn't end up working out.
But another podcast of ours that didn't end up working
out is we wanted to do a podcast about Pappy Gate,
which happened back in you know, twenty fifteen ish. Uh
and but unfortunately we never no one ever got back
to us. And the reason why is because a Netflix
(39:32):
anthology was released recently and it is featured in this.
So I understand it. I mean Netflix does have a
lot of clout, you know, so I totally get if
they wanted to go with Netflix. Okay, I understand, But
Pappy Gate. Do you guys know what Pappy van Winkle is?
I literally, yeah? Is that the guy who slept for
(39:52):
a very long time and then woke up with a
big beard and oh that's rip rip okay, gotcha, but
similar names he makes Burt it's bourbon, and yeah it's
really expensive and really delicious. Yeah. So Pappy van Winkle
is kind of fake though, because it's like basically with
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the whiskey industry, it was like popular in like the
sixties and seventies, but then afterwards people just started drinking
like fruity drinks, which I'm like, yeah, fruity drinks are great,
So it was more like a vodka rum tequila scene.
But it wasn't until I think it was like the
early two thousands or so, where some whiskey was becoming
(40:36):
more popular. And then I think we all remember the
hipster era where craft bourbon, craft whiskey was super popular
and everyone was sipping on and everyone was like, yeah,
whiskey down God or whatever. So Pappy van Winkle is
it interesting because it is very It is notoriously hard
to find. Usually if you find it in a story,
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it goes for like three hundred dollars. But then there's
also like the whiskey black market, where some people have
bought it for like thousands of dollars because people are dumb.
It's like, it's also funny because a lot of Pappy
van I think it's a lot of hype because like
this whiskey didn't exist until like two thousand and five.
Like the way they market it, it it seems like it's
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been around forever. I mean, it's like aged a lot
of years. But it's kind of just like I feel
like this is a lot with whiskey brands and like
Craft Whiskey is a lot of it's just like really
good marketing and it's trying to like hype itself up.
So it's kind of like, I mean not brag. I've
had Pappy before and it's fine. You know, it's not
(41:38):
like the best. It just they just make it seem
like it's cool because it's rare and was aged a
long time, which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good whiskey.
So I'm just like super alt and not really that
into it. So but there is this guy, Okay, so
Pappy Gate. What had happened is in the late nineteen eighties,
(41:58):
this guy named Gilbert Toby Kurt Singer. He goes by Toby.
He started working at the Flow Trace distillery and he,
you know, had a really good career there, had like
was doing a lot of different jobs from like you know,
managing the distillery to like you know, doing all the
sorts of stuff with the business, and saw sort of
like a typical sort of thing that people would do
(42:18):
was like at the end of your work day, yeah,
to take a couple of bottles of whiskey home, which
that seems like a lot of whiskey, but you know,
that was like kind of a normal thing. But he
ended up, you know, taking a few more bottles home
and he started selling them, and he was like, oh,
this is kind of lucrative. So he ended up creating
a whole Okay, I was gonna say he started making
(42:41):
a whole whiskey sailing ring, but that makes it sound
too fancy. I think he was just a guy who
like worked at a place and was like, oh, I
can take these bottles easily. And he had he got
a bunch of like distributors. And by distributors, I mean
he started kind of working with members of his softball team,
okay too. Sort of he would take whiskey from the
(43:03):
distillery and then he would sell it and burst it
amongst his softball team, and then they would sell to
other people. And there's some other people involved, like his
wife and his father in law, and I think there
was even a police officer that was kind of involved
in this ring because he was specifically taking Pappy van Winkle. Yeah.
He so he took rare riskies like pap van Winkle
(43:24):
and other types of whiskies and then they would you know,
resell them on this you know softball gang. What Yeah,
when was this? What year was this? Sorry? So? And
this was in I think they said he started doing
this maybe in the early two thousands, but it was
in twenty thirteen where the distillery finally actually you know,
(43:45):
complained and realized, hey, we are missing two hundred bottles
of Pappy van Winkle. Wow. Oh So at this point
police were like what And so they you know, talked
to a lot of employees. They couldn't figure it out
until in twenty fifteen, they got an anonymous tip that
this guy, Toby someone had spotted in his backyard multiple
barrels that had and spray painted black, and so the
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cops went over there. They did a raid that was
apparently like very casual. It was just like the most
casual raids where they just went in they're like, yeah,
there's the barrels, and then Toby was out on the
porch just being like, yeah, I stole those what whatever.
But they were they were actually those barrels weren't from
the Buffalo Trace distillery. Those were from the Wild Turkey Distillery.
So you know, I guess he had moved his operation
(44:31):
to you know, like other distilleries too, and they found
like of those barrels that was probably worth you know,
like thirty thousand dollars or something like that, and that
was just you know, one one raid on his thing.
But yeah, obviously you know, uh, Pabby van Winkle is
a little bit more valuable than that. So there they
were estimating in total over his uh you know, buff
(44:52):
his Buffalo Trace smuggling that he might have you know,
ended up you know, stealing like one hundred thousand dollars
worth of whiskey redistributing it. That's a lot. Yeah, but
you know it's kind of like not that much. You know,
it just seems like this was like a casual thing
he was doing that got out of hand, you know,
just like taken too many paper clips from the office.
Soon you have like a whole paper clip deficit, you know,
(45:15):
but it's whiskey because that's the supplies they have at
the distillery. Instead of stapling, they just dump whiskey on things. Great.
But yeah, so in he was caught and then in
twenty seventeen he pleaded guilty. There's a bunch of other people.
It was like a racketeering case, and a bunch of
other people were indicted, but no one was sentenced to
time except for Toby. He was sentenced to fifteen years
(45:39):
in prison. Wow, for one hundred thousand dollars estimated stolen product.
But you know, because it wasn't a violent crime and
he was the first time offender. In twenty eighteen, he
was released from prison and he's been on parole. He's
going to be on parole until twenty twenty three, and
also got his Netflix documentary, So good for him. Hopefully
he got some money for that, you know, because apparently,
(46:01):
you know, he's really been struggling. Obviously, he was fired
from the distiller. Yes, obviously he was fired, and so
true support his family. He's been painting houses apparently, So yeah,
this doesn't seem like it was this big mastermind plan.
You know, yeah, and he said, like he hasn't really
spoken to the media that much, but the times that
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he has, he's always like, I'm sorry for what I did,
but I wasn't exactly I mean kind of exactly what
you said. He's like, I wasn't a mastermind. I wasn't
like some brilliant like gangster stealing whiskey or whatever, or
like bootlegging, like you know, he wasn't even bootlegging at all,
you know, and like that's obviously a huge part of
like whiskey history. But yeah, so I really do feel
(46:46):
like it was it's not as it is fun It
is funny. It is funny, but it's also you know,
it wasn't it's I guess it's like sometimes you know,
that fine line between like when do you become a criminal?
Actually that's why he was doing this over like two decades,
so you know whatever. So that's the story of Toby
and PAPPI game. Great. Now you don't have to watch
(47:07):
the Netflix series. I think you did a really great job.
So don't even worry about Netflix. Yeah, don't even worry
about Netflix. You don't even have to look at it.
Look at it. Yeah, um, yeah, I scooped Netflix because
it came out I scooped him. All right, Um, well,
(47:28):
this has been another episode of Cadaver Gaws and we're
so happy that you've listened thus far. And if you haven't, uh,
may you not get any whiskey? Just god? Is that
a threat? Be careful our own bodies of water, is
what I'm gonna say. Yeah, especially if you're drunk on
(47:50):
whisky or a white claw. Truly truly noted. O. All right,
this is cadaver Gals. We'll talk at you next week. Argal.
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Cadaver Gals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.
It is hosted and all the things by me, Gabby Watts,
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