November 17, 2021 • 58 mins
Prince Sado dies in a rice box, and a man is accused of bitchcraft. I mean, witchcraft.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
School of Humans. Hi everyone, Welcome to Cadaver Gals, the
podcast where we talk about the ways people have died
to cope with our own mortality. Yes, I'm your host, Nika,
along with Gabby Hey and Taylor Hi. Hi. Okay, real exciting,
(00:30):
real exciting stuff. So today Gabby is going to tell
us a tragic princely death story and Taylor is getting
into some witchy torture fun times. As always, we do
have trigger warnings because this is a little bit evan
intense podcast, So we are going to be talking about
incest and rape and animal abuse and mental illness. The
(00:57):
letter m if you know for some reason that might
trigger you being crushed, and there was one witches witches, witches, witches. Um,
So that is what's happening on this podcast. We are
looking forward to it. What a way to start the day. Wow,
let's cue the alligator music. Okay, welcome back. Taylor mentioned
(01:35):
that people might be ending their day with this. If
you are ending your day with this, what the fuck
is wrong with you? Um? No, I'm kidding. I just
I'm scared you'll have nightmares. But you know what, you
are your own person and you get to decide for yourself.
I'm just saying we're recording this in the morning. So
that's why I said start my day anyway. I don't
need to ever explain myself. I'm a god, Okay, Gabby, Gabby, Yeah, Gabby, Gabby, Gabby. Yeah.
(01:58):
Well I think sometimes people I on another show I
worked on, they said there's one comment that was like, yeah,
I love to listen a true crime podcast to fall
asleep too. So maybe the soothing tones of rape, murder, incest,
and yeah, okay, killing your family members. I guess that's
another thing that's going to happen today. So philiside phillis
(02:21):
belove it so fun and flirty. Okay, So yeah, we're
gonna be going We're going to Korea in the eighteenth century.
Is everyone to Korea in a while? They haven't been
to Korea in a while? It's true. Um, usually it's
just like toxic white people that we talk about dying
because it feels less problematic to talk about their deaths,
(02:43):
you know, you know, absolutely agreed. Well, it's kind of
like reparations. Kidding, kidding, my god, I'm kidding anyway, where
this is Okay, So in seventeen thirty five, a little
babe was born and he would one day be known
as Prince Sado Sodo means think of you with great sorrow,
(03:06):
or whenever I think about you, I am heartbroken because
because mister Prince Otto is going to be killed by
his dad. Love to see it. Family, you're just going
for it. Yeah, family is complicated. I mean, yeah, spoiler,
this person dies. Can you believe it? Can you believe it? Anyway?
(03:28):
I'm shook. Yeah, It's just like this is like the
ultimate story of like daddy issues. It's like you take
your daddy issues and you compound them with maybe like
bipolar disorder and some OCD and also just like a
dad who is chronically disappointed at you, and this is
what happens. You get sentenced to death. Okay, so just
watch off for your dad. All That's all I'm saying. Okay,
(03:51):
so not to everyone, because it's a lot of people
got daddy issues and there would be a lot more
philicide if that was the case. Yeah, that's that's true.
But anyway, so his dad is King Young Joe, and
he he this dude, he's kind of seems a little
insecure anyway because he became king even though he was
like pretty low ranking um in terms of like the
royal family, so it seemed like he had his own insecurities. Also,
(04:14):
he had a son before Sado who he really liked,
but then that son died, so then they had Sodo
and so yeah, so Sado, it seemed like his dad
was already going to put a lot of pressure on him,
be like, you have to be like my other son
who died, which is you know, that's already complicated and
Prince Otto he was, you know, his dad wanted him
(04:35):
to be like a really good student, really good scholar,
but he was more interested in like the arts and
like archery and like having tale you'll know, classic tale. Yes,
So his dad was always like, what the hell is
wrong with you? You need to be better, and he's like, no,
I want to do arts and sports. And so then
his dad just would yell at him, would like yell
(04:57):
at him in public all the time, in front of
like the rest of like the royal court. And so
Sado developed kind of like an anxiety around his dad
where he was always like super timid around him, which
then made his dad even angrier. So it was real complex, Okay, right,
the chain of events, I'd be anxious to be around
(05:17):
my dad too if he yelled at me every single
time we were in public. Yeah, and just like undermined
all of your decisions and told you you were like
dumb all the time, you know, like and that you
had to be like the son that died. Yeah, you
know you weren't as good. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so Prince Sodo,
he you know, this is a romantic story. He gets
betrothed and he weds this woman lady hung by woman,
(05:39):
I mean girl child. They're both eight years old when
this happened, Oh my god, which was apparently not a woman,
a little a literal girl in Prince Otto was a
literal boy. They got married at eight, which apparently was
like kind of typical of the time, classic boy meets
girls story, except they're both eight and they have no
(05:59):
choice exactly. It's a classic love story. I'm already triggered.
I think this is why. But Taylor Swift was singing
about in the song love Story, this specific scenario. Thank
you for the analysis. Yeah, But she's important because she
wrote a memoir that kind of like details a lot
(06:20):
of like Sado's behavior and kind of what was happening
at this time, which some people like they don't trust
him because they're like maybe she wasn't cahoots with the
king and they wanted to like get rid of him anyway.
But that's also like not doesn't seem to be true
because she just gives like very specific details of all
this crazy shit that's gonna happen. Because the crazy a
lot of shit's going to happen. So when he's like ten,
he has some sort of like psychological breakdown where he
(06:42):
like goes into unconscious and Lady Hong is like, this
is where everything started going real bad, and then a
lot of other like traumatic things seemed to happen, all
with the backdrop of his dad being like a total
dick to him all the time. How old is he now, Well,
he has the psychological like breakdown when he's ten, and
good for him for going at least two years. I
(07:02):
would not I wouldn't last at all. Yeah, yeah, I
mean year two of a marriage is pretty complex. But
oh my god, oh my god. Okay, but like a
lot of sad things are happening, like you know, for
like you know, when they're fourteen, they finally have a kid,
and that kid dies after two years fourteen oh oh no,
(07:23):
I can't imagine having a kid at thirty three. Yeah,
fourteen much less fourteen. Well, yeah, your kid would already
be like in college. Now I could be a grandmother
Granny Taylor so sweet. Um, But his kid dies very
sad they have another kid. But then also he was
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very close to his sister because his sister is like
gets the fact that their dad's a huge dick. And
but then the thing is then she dies very sad. Also,
like his dad, the king gives him like administration like
duties to do, but he every time he makes a choice,
his dad's like, that's the bad that's the wrong choice.
He made a bad decision. Also, he wouldn't like let
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him go to a lot of court events. He's still
yelling at him in public all the time. Hang, is
he's like ten, so like is he or fourteen? I
guess is he misbehaving? And is he getting into some shenanigans?
I mean some shenanigans are about to happen. I mean
they also people there's a lot of shit that's about
to go down. But I'm just saying there's a lot
of like tragedy that was happening in his life to
(08:29):
kind of understand where all the you know, basically spoiler alert,
he becomes like a serial killer and rapists. So okay,
Well I don't know why all starts with the parent though,
So I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying, like
he did have a fucked up So all you parents
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out there, you're traumatizing all of your children, you're giving. Yeah,
you're turning your kids into the responsibility of being a
parent too much. Just when kim Chi, If Kimchi is
even a little bit upset, I'm like, I'm a bad mother.
I'm a bad mother. Put me away, like, take him
away from me, because I am not taking care of
my child, right, So I can't even imagine what it's
actually like with a human baby. Yeah yeah, but yeah,
(09:13):
so like he also like his dad puts them specifically
in charge of like overseeing torture, which I also don't
know if that would be like the best role for
him necessarily when he was when he was young, like
ten's like fifteen, that's gonna fuck a child up. Oh
my god, So he's fifteen, he's a man. Of course,
(09:33):
it's gonna regardless, your brain is still developing, especially because
he's a boy, so it's like developing slowly. I think
I think that was some sarcasm from Gabby. Oh well,
you know, he wouldn't be literally considered an adult at
this point, you know, I mean, I'm yeah, I'm just
thinking in terms of like he's on his second kid, like,
but he's still technically not mentally an adult. He's still
(09:57):
a child. Yeah, it's very much a child. And like,
during this whole time, his mental health is definitely deteriorating
and it's no good. And then finally, when he's like
twenty two, the queen dies. The queen isn't his biological mother,
but his mother's a concubine. But the queen dies and
he was very close to her. And then also the
queen's mom dies within a month of each other. And
this is really like already a lot of ship's kind
(10:20):
of going down with him, but this like really sends
him over the edge. So the things that start happening
kind of when he's a teen and into early adulthood is,
you know, he starts having delusions, like, for example, he
had a dream about the god of thunder and so
then he just developed a fear of the sky in general,
So he's just scared of the sky inconvenient. Yeah, he's
(10:42):
always there. Yeah, he definitely needs some therapy. He also
started having a clothing phobia. So basically what happened is
every day he needed to have at least twenty to
thirty outfits laid out for him for him to decide,
and he couldn't always decide, and sometimes he would like
burn some of his outfits, like these beautiful silk outfits
because he just like there was just like something like
it's probably like OCD or something where he couldn't like
(11:04):
handle all the clothes. I've definitely had a breakdown trying
to figure out what to wear though. Yeah, this is
every day though of like twenty to thirty outfits, and
the problem is the people who would dress him. His
wife wrote that it was lucky if nothing happened to them,
because he was he would like beat his servants and
then he started killing them. So he would kill his servants,
(11:28):
like specifically his dress servants if they like maybe dressed
him wrong. He was like very emotional and he would
just like he started to deal with his feelings instead
of you know, like you know, men should just go therapy,
he just started killing his servants, so that's a fun thing.
Like one time, like after the queen died, he got
so he was so upset with it that he had
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you know, they just had a lot of Unichs around,
you know, you just gotta have them. So after to
deal with his grief, he beheaded one of the eunuchs
and then went over to his wife and was like, look,
I beheaded the Unich and she's like, I don't want
to see that, dude, Okay, But then he would also
be very physically violent with her lot of the time.
And then he started also like sexually harassing all the
ladies in waiting, and if they didn't have sex with them,
(12:13):
he would rape them. So that's another he's very problematic.
He's yeah, he's having there's definitely something going on. He
also rapes a Buddhist nun. And then he starts sexually
harassing his younger sister, not the one he was close
to but he passed away, but his younger sister, and
he attempts to rape her as well. I was not successful.
(12:33):
Was not successful, but also I imagine she's still felt
very bad. He also, um, you know, he just has
all this paranoia around his father too, so like he
takes it's like pretty normal for people to like take,
you know, concubines. So he has like one concubine and
she gets pregnant, and he's really concerned that his dad
will be mad about it, so he like forces her
(12:55):
to take all these like abortive substances. But then his
wife actually takes the concubine and like kind of hides
her way and they end up having a healthy baby,
so that's cool. But then he takes another concubine and
he was really stressed out about that one too, because
this concubine was like a former lady in waiting to
his grandmother, so I guess based on the laws of
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Korea at the time, that was considered incests somehow. Like
him being with the lady in waiting to his grandmother
very confusing, and so when his dad found out about him,
he like super went in on him and just like
braided the shit out of him. And then Prince Odo
tries to jump down a well to kill himself, but
then a guard fishes him out of the well. It's like, yeah,
(13:38):
you don't get to die today, sir oh, and then
he beats the concubine to death in a fit of rage. So, yeah,
he's not doing so well. He's there's something wrong, something's
going on. There's some signs, you know, but maybe his
mental health isn't the best. Yeah, he's TikTok. Yeah. He also,
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heaven forbid, he's drinking, which is illegal to do at courts,
so that really makes his behavior even worse. And during
this time, like his dad doesn't know exactly about all
this stuff, but he his dad takes the concubine, and
the concubine is like friends with some mother concubines, and
like his dad kind of gets informed through the grape
vine gets informed the concubine grape vine gets informed about
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like kind of what's going on, and it's not exactly clear,
like what was the tipping point. I mean, there's obviously
a lot of these could be really great tipping points
on their own or whatever. Yea, that they're thinking that
maybe what happened is that Prince Otto had like an
altercation with another like royal person and he was trying
to sneak into the palace. So then rumors were going
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around that he was sneaking in the palace to try
to kill his dad, and so they're thinking maybe that's
why it might be the sister thing, it might be
any of the number of these things because also Lady
Hang wrote that at this point in nine in seventeen
sixty two, when Sado, he's like twenty seven like daily
bodies were being taken out of his house of like
people who had killed That is gruesome. Yeah, So Daddy,
(15:08):
Young Joe is like this is this is yikes, you know,
mega yikes. And he like asked him at some point,
He's like, why are you doing all this crazy shit? Son?
And Prince Otto says, I am in pain. You're my
father and you do not love me. Ah wow, because
of you, Dad, Because of you. Yeah, yeah, because that's
(15:32):
what that's my My daddy issues you know have definitely manifested,
you know, in a similar way. So I'm just kidding.
That was a joke. That's not real. It's not real.
It's I don't do any of this. I don't know.
This silence was so loud it was I felt I
might have to ponder, you know. I mean, I do
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also difficult sometimes I don't know what to wear, um,
but now I just don't get dressed. So that's I
just wear pajamas all day, So that's what I do.
I just just imagining you face down. You're just like
never getting dressed doing it. Yeah, anyway, But the thing
is like they're you know, the King's like, oh, I
guess we kind of gotta get rid of my son
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because like this this shit is out of control. But
the thing is like, you can't. It's like illegal to
kill your royal children. So he has to me like
kind of like find a loophole. So what he does
is he strips him of his title, Prince Auto of
his title. And then what he does is he's like, well,
I can't literally because also if you like execute your son,
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then like you also have to like execute like the
wife and the kids. You know, you just have to
do a group thing. So he didn't want that to happen.
So what he did instead was like, Okay, instead of
killing you, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get
a rice box, which is like a four foot by
four foot box where you would keep rice in. He says, well,
I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put Sotto in the
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box and lock the box and he'll die in the box.
And I won't have killed him. He'll just die in
the box of natural you know, station and thirst. You know.
So it's like, what a great loophole, Like, he's not
literally killing him, he's just trapped in a box, so
preventing him from living. Yeah, exactly, you know, it's a loophole.
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It's different, you know, giving big sims to energy. You
trapped your sim in a pool. You know, you took
the ladder away. Yeah, so because you didn't kill the sem,
the sem you just yet. Yeah, so that's what happens.
He puts them in a rice box. Apparently Prince Otto
was like obviously not feeling it. He was like, don't
put me in the box, please, But he's like, you're
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going in the box. So he put him in the box,
and the guards for a couple of days they're just like, oh,
maybe this box situation is just like a temporary, normal
punishment that you give to your adult son. And so
they were still giving him like food and water. But
then the king was like, no, stop that, and then
they wrapped additional ropes around the box, then moved up
to the upper level of the palace and then also
covered it in grass I don't know why, maybe for
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weight some heavy grasses. I don't know. I mean it
kind of just sounds like you put him, he buried
him alive, yeah, put the grass on the top. Or
he was just trying to have like a nice like
you know, like a planter situation, you know, like he
just wanted some plants inside or something. I don't know. Anyway,
so he's obviously not having a good time in the box.
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Day seven, he's still crying out, being like, I don't
like this. But then finally on day eight they look
in the box and he has perished. I know that
box is haunted. That box is probably haunted as hell.
Oh yeah, so his dad is obviously a little sad
about it. After the fact, he reinstates his title like
fifteen days after he dies, and then ends up killing
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all of his servants for the most part, because that's
what you just do for royals. He doesn't kill the wife,
he doesn't kill the kids, just everyone they've ever spoken to. Yeah,
just everybody who print Sodo was already killing. So anyway,
fun and flirty, being royal is normal and fun. And
then I mean, I don't know, there's obviously not really
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like a silver line mining, but like his son with
his first concubine ends up becoming like are the descendants
of him end up becoming the first like emperor of Korea?
So like good, good for you. But anyway, sometimes sometimes
it's hard to just be having mental illnesses and having
a dad who's not nice to you. So yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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well yeah yeah yeah okay, well wow, um, thank Gabby,
thank you Gabby for that, truly from the uh, from
the bottom of my heart, my box heart. Um, we
will be right back, wow Gabby. Um hi everyone, welcome back. Eat.
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You know, yikes, that's a big that's a big yike story.
Um mega yikes, mega yikes. Truly, so we are doing
like it's a very anti Hallmark movie vibe at the
moment because there's no happy family reunions. You know, there's
no fuzzy feelings. Because I'm going to talk more about philicide.
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Ye yes, yes, um. Basically, if you don't know what
philocide is, it's the deliberate act of a parent killing
their child, like what Gaby just no, he doesn't story
that he didn't kill his son. He just put him
in a box and he happened to die of starvation.
And third and dehydration. It's different. Hey, okay, it's literally
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he just kept him from living, like stopped him from living.
It's not he didn't kill him. Y'all are emperor apologists? King? Okay, fine, whatever, anyway,
just a king, justice king. And also yeah yeah, um
well the statistics are pretty disturbingly high for it, even
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though like just one is fucking disturbing. Um so that's,
you know, not great. It's still relatively something that actually
people do, which is disgusting. What the fuck go die.
But we're not going to talk about current philiside because
that is depressing as hell. We're going to talk about
the past because that's less depressing. It's fine, it's a
little little less depressing. Yeah, we're removed from it. It's fine. Yeah.
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So I know a guy who did it, who did
the philocide? Well no, I mean I know a guy.
His name is Ivan the Oh he was terrible, terrible.
Oh nice, Taylor. I like how you said that so casually.
If we were actually finishing my sentence, I thought you
were going to literally be like, yes, one of my
family friends too, And I was like, oh, just there,
(21:46):
but I'm in the terrible We've talked about him Ivan
we have that's terrible. Yeah, it's quite bad. So if
we don't, you know, just a little update on I'm
the terrible. Not update, but he was a Russian tsar
in the mental late fifteen hundreds, and he was not
a very good guy. He had like terrible Well actually,
hence the name is not real because actually what it
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means in Russia and what it means at least at
that time, was more like the magnificent or like the
Oh my god, you're so amazing that it's like a
little scary. It doesn't mean you were like a bad person.
But honestly, the shoe does fit. So I'm just glad
that language has at least kept up with the vibe.
The Ivan was actually pretty terrible. Okay. So he had
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like six to eight wives, only four were recognized by
the church, and his first wife gave him six children. Yeay,
bountiful marriages whatever. Now the third to be born was
a boy. Finally, they had had two girls initially, thank goodness. Yeah,
what would we have done? Yep, yeah, get the fuck
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out girls. Okay, so he was obviously the first heir. However,
sadly he died during infancy. He drowned. Sad um, pretty
sad bad, Yeah, pretty bad. So the next child after
that was another boy, and he is who we're going
to get into. And funny enough, um, they actually named
(23:14):
him Ivan, so he's like Ivan Junior. How funny. Yeah,
his name was Ivan Ivanovitch. I think back then they
only had like four names. There was a twenty five
percent chance that he would be named Ivan precisely. Wow,
such good calculations so quickly, Gabby, you are truly a genius. Um. Anyway,
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So Ivan the Terrible obviously he was the heir, He
was the apparent heir, so he was going to be um,
you know Zar eventually. And I'm in the Terrible and
his son Ivan were actually buds like for quite some time.
Ivan the Terrible took his son at fifteen to see
his private army basically massacre people together. Why I mean,
(24:02):
you know son activity. Yeah, they would just do things
to like bond over. Like. For example, there was this
massacre called the Massacre of Novodod where I'van the Terrible
took his private army to attack a Russian city called
Novodod because Ivan the Terrible was paranoid and thought that
they had committed treason and treachery mind you by you know,
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as Ivan the Terrible got older and more powerful, he
became more paranoid and did some disturbing shit, which is
not good. So basically he and his son would go
to see horrific acts of violence, like torturing people by
grilling them more um binding like yeah, like grilling as
in like putting them on a hot not like a
(24:47):
George Foreman situation. That didn't exist back that. Oh, they
didn't have like a green egg that they could just
grill some people. You need a big green egg though
to I have heard that those are so expensive. By
the way, I don't know a person size one would
be super expensive or you have to get like three
and then like put them on. Yeah, I'd be too competent.
(25:08):
That's true too. He's a bizarre He had a lot
of money, It's true he did. But but no girls,
they didn't exist back then. It's more like burned alive,
I guess could have vibe. Okay. So he would also
like bind and throw women and children into the Volkov River,
which is where they would be trapped under the ice
and die. And I've in the Terrible actually had men
(25:31):
from his private army on the boats of the river.
So even if people did manage to like survive being
bound and thrown into the river, and they like manage
to come up from air, the soldiers would basically push
them down to make sure that they died in the
icy river. Why people so freaking mean, But I don't understand. Yeah,
it's pretty it's it's pretty bad. Um, I don't tell you. Also,
(25:55):
good son father bonding exactly, good son father bonding. And
the funniest thing is that after seeing these pretty gruesome
acts I've in the terrible and his son would go
to the church for prayer every single afternoon. Forgiven, they
are forgiven. Listen, and then it happened all over again.
Well this happened for five weeks, So major bonding, you
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know what I mean? They were, they were really tight,
just like a morning I imagine, I'm thinking about their
g cows. You know, it's like eight thirty to twelve thirty.
People watch some like massacre twelve thirty to two, you know,
go to church. Yeah absolutely, yeah, and then like eat
a ton of food and I don't know, practice war
or something. Yeah. It was just just think how lucky
(26:41):
they are to have each other, you know, just really
appreciate each other. That's what life is about, you know,
is it not? Anyway, so i've in the Terrible was
also a very involved father when it came to Ivan
producing an air. Understandably, it was very important to him.
So at seventeen, Ivan was supposed to marry a Russian
noble woman chosen by his dad. But she didn't produce
(27:04):
an air quick enough, which a bitch? What was she thinking? Yeah, exactly,
So Ivan's dad banished her to a convent. Okay, ridiculous
being a woman, being a surf or being a woman,
all of those are cool. Yeah, Um, Ivan the Terrible guy,
(27:25):
Ivan another bride, you know, second time, we're trying to
go for it. But the same thing happened, so she
was banished, banished to a convent again by Ivan the
Terrible anyway, finally, there are times to charm you guys.
Ivan's third bride, Yelenava, was pregnant in October of fifteen
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eighty one. What joy. They had tried for so long,
so hard. Finally you know what I mean? And um,
no confident for her, which is good. Every one of
the family was overjoyed. So things carried on as normal.
You know, we got the war, we got you know,
Ivan the Terrible having weird, disturbing, panicky, paranoid moments. But
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for the most part, everything's pretty okay. You know, he
was still greedy, starting wars whatever. Anyway, until November fifteenth,
Ivan's wife was walking in the castle, minding her business,
happy and pregnant. You know, when Ivan the Terrible cut
a glimpse of her. Oh, a glimpse is never good.
A glimpse is never good. He became so offended at
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what she was wearing because, according to him, her clothes
were inappropriate. Um, they were lighter than usual and so naturally,
you know, as what anyone would do when they react
when they see this is um, he started beating her. Now,
this was pretty normal for Ivan the Terrible. It seems
like he would lose his temper often, and he also
suffered from mental illnesses like later on in his life.
(28:52):
Still not okay, obviously, It's just not okay to hit women. Also,
that was all they had at the maternity store. You know,
maybe they didn't have some good options exactly. My thing
is like, you wanted her to be pregnant so bad.
And then you're still beating on her. H come on.
So Ivan heard his wife's screams traumatic and rushed to
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find his father attacking his pregnant wife. Bad so he
freaked out and took his wife away, but the damage
was done and she miscarried. What a dick, truly, So
Ivan confronted Ivan the Terrible about it, but when he did,
his father accused him of treason and insubordination. They basically
(29:38):
got into this big argument about his wife and about
the wars, and about you know, Ivan's own opinions on
how Russia should be governed. And Ivan the Terrible became
so enraged that he struck his son with his scepter,
inflicting a fatal head wound. Oh wow. Ivan stumbled back
in a daze, and he was bleeding, and he fell
(29:59):
to the floor, and his father immediately stopped and held
his son and cried out, may I be I've killed
my son over and over and over again, and he
kissed his son, and apparently, according to one eyewitness, I
don't believe this, but whatever, his son said, I die
as a devoted son and most humble servant, which again
(30:20):
I doubt, but whatever. Oh but if he did like, oh,
that would be Yeah, you'd hate to hear from that.
I was a good son and he's like, ooh and
you killed me. Um. Ivan died on the nineteenth of November,
leaving I'm in the terrible with no viable airs and
furthering him into madness. What an idiot, dummy. That's why
(30:44):
you shouldn't kill your son. Absolutely and actually him, you know,
killing his son was part of the reason why basically
their empire eventually like toppled over. So you know, don't
kill your son. Also, as a father in law, don't
have opinions about your daughter in law's choice clothing. Okay,
(31:06):
can wear whatever she wants. She can be she's a
free sparrit yep yep. I like, but can can we
delimit that not just limit that to just father like
in laws? Can just well in general? Nope, I'm not
going to make it broader, Okay, Okay, Well anyway, so
that's the story, phil aside, not a vibe, not vibe
(31:29):
like a bad vibe. I would put it more bad
vibe than good vibe. I great cantgrization. Um And with that, Taylor,
my angel, I know you have a story for us
I'm hoping it's an angel. You are an angel. I
freaking call you an angel all the time. Don't be
a stupid bitch. I like tell you this all the time. Anyway,
don't be a stupid I call you an angel all
(31:51):
the time. I'm so fun to you, bitch. Yeah, literally,
that's that's that's me. I'm just very aggressive with the
way I love people. Okay, So I hear you have
a wonderful story that might be a little less traumatic
than this one, although I feel like it probably, I mean,
could have her girls, it can only be so yeah, light,
(32:12):
don't expect much. Okay, Well, I would love to hear it. Okay,
So I'm gonna tell you about Giles Corey. Yeah you
are girlfriend? Yeah GGI girlfriendo GC, Giles Corey group chat whatever. GC.
I believe he was noted in The Crucible, but for
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those such as myself who never read the book or
saw the movie, although maybe I did read the book
and I just don't remember, like in high school, you know.
But it revolves around the Salem which Charles, which started
in February of sixteen ninety two to May of the
next year in Massachusetts. So basically what was happening people
(32:53):
were getting sick today. They believed that it was like
this fungus that was found in wheat and would call
it these like delusions and like muscle spasms vomiting, and
that was like the cause of this hysteria, really fun stuff,
so naturally, much like when it last week, a couple
weeks ago. When we're talking about vampires, the obvious conclusion
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is not that people are getting sick because there's you know,
a baia or a fngus exactly. It's that somebody is
cursing them and they are witches. I it's like bad hysteria.
I love goods hysteria, you know, like sometimes when you
look at your partner you're so enraged with like, oh
my god, you're so yummy. I just want to you know,
like bite, Like I like that kind of hysteria, but
(33:36):
like the oh my god, you know it's a witch definitely,
and then make terrible decisions in history, that's like bad
hysteria to be yeah, for everyone, Like you know when
people get hysterical about like there's like bombs and like
weapons of mass destruction. The Iraq can wear hysterical bonds
and we have years long wars that we didn't exactly
(33:57):
you don't remember that, you know I do, And I
think that is like, again, if we're categorizing bad vibe,
you know, weapons of mass destruction, are today's witches big
mental leaps happening? Okay, go ahead. But at the same time, people,
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if they are people that are creating, I mean, it's
like they're creating their own little spells and concoctions and curses.
So sure, why not make things make sense? They're just curses? Okay, great,
So anyway, so obviously they're like, there's witches. But it
also doesn't help that when one or two admits that
they're like against the Puritans, and then they also confess
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to being a witch, like, it just validates everybody's original thoughts.
So that is not helpful. Yes, it's very not helpful.
So apparently that's enough to back everything up, and it's
became this town's mission to find and execute all of
the witches. Their punishments were typically hanging, while others just
died in jail. Which I didn't know this because I
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don't know why, but um, I thought that it was
only women that were accused of being witches, but they
were actually five or six men among the thirty that
were quality. Wow. Yeah, oh that's not exactly equal because
it was still like five or six men. So anyway,
so we're gonna talk about Darles Corey in his accusation, um,
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and his death went a little bit different. So little
backstory on little Giles. He was a farmer, quite successful
at it, I guess exactly. Um. He had all kinds
of crops. They were very they were doing really well.
He had this farmhand named Jacob good Ale who apparently
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he stole some apples, which Giles took a little too
seriously and beat him to death. The terrible vibes. But
where they I hope they were like honey crisp and
not this like a shitty one, Like what's the shittiest apple?
I don't like Granny Smith. Yeah, I do like Granny Smith.
(36:09):
Granny Smith. I only like them if they're like cooked
with something, you know, Like I don't like them, just
like I want to beat someone to death for them.
Maybe honey crisp, because those are delish. They are delish
um or like Asian pears. Gosh, I go into pears,
I mean apples. I'm just saying, if there's a fruit
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to like beat someone a death over. I think that's
like up there, mangoes too, good man. I'm supposed to
compare apples to oranges though, so leave the oranges out
of it. Why don't you open your mind a little?
Taylors which she's a witch. Yeah, I'm a witch. I'm
a witch. Okay, um, But Giles is like, no, I
didn't beat him up. He just fell off a ladder. Um,
(36:56):
But then other people they fell off a ladder. That. Yeah,
he was like super bruised, like there's no there's no
way that he just like fell off a ladder. But
people also overheard him bragging about beating Jacob to death,
so well, that'll do it. Yeah, So he goes on
trial for murder, but really the only thing that happens
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is that he pays a fine, which a lot of
people are like, that's not cool. So he got in
trouble for like other small things like theft, but always
seemed to get away with it. Moral of this story.
He's not a great dude. So but then, okay, all
that stuff's happening. He was first married to a woman
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named Margaret, who died shortly after they arrived in Salem.
And then later he married a woman named Mary. After
like twelve years in Salem, she dies the letter M bad.
Then he married a fellow widow named Martha, so he
had Margaret, Mary, and Martha, which all of this seems
(37:59):
a little suspicious to me, Like, what's with all of
the m's and why are they dying? Yeah, that'sious. He
has a type. There's only four names back then, right, Martha, Margaret,
whatever else? And I then there are only four and Ivan, Yeah, yeah,
that's it. And it was easier to have Giles and Giles.
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Quite a strange. I feel like it was easier to
have a type back then because there were, you know,
not as much diversity now if you have a type,
it's like, Nica, why did you keep going for like
tattooed berries? Does? No? Like there's more out there. There
are more. Definitely more types now for sure. But I
see where you're going with the ms, you know, yeah, yeah,
it just seems a little suspicious to me. So the
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witch trials. Witch trials are a hot topic. People are
out hunting for witches um and basically there were these
like two tribes, if you will, in Salem. There were
two families and half the town would follow one the
other half of allow the other. So there was the
Putnam's and the Porters. Two peas. Are you kidding me? Oh?
I should have listed pea as a trigger warning. The
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Putnams and the Porters. So it was really kind of
like their feud that led to the trials because they
were like, you know, trying to get each other, and
they were like just accusing the other people who were
like associating with the other family. I have a question, yes, okay,
not a question, I have a really good point. Porter
Pittman p all the ms, Salem s p M S. Wow.
(39:33):
All right, well I don't need to finish my story.
Wow x x five x files x files themes so okay.
So anyway, so it was like this feud that kind
of like led to the trials because they were just
like accusing each other being witches. Um and Giles, his
allegiance was of the Porter clan and had the Patinams
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pissed off. The Putnams were like this guy, bad dude,
not worth it. You know. They're like they were out
to get him. They tried he like murdered somebody, you know,
he was like stealing stuff, he was just a bad
guy anyway. So Giles, at this point eight eighty one
years old or something, he was attending the trials and
his wife is like, you probably shouldn't be going to
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the trials. You have a past. The Putnam's are going
to be pissed at you, so like they're going to
come for you. So she's like trying to stop him
from going to the trials. So what does she do.
She hides his saddle so he can't go horseback riding
into town. I like, I don't know, that seems silly
because at this time everybody was just riding horses and
(40:40):
they should be able to ride bear back and it
shouldn't be that big of a deal. Yeah, I don't
know how far a town is, but like that that's whatever.
Did it stop him? Well, so this was very suspicious
of Martha to do, and so on March nineteenth, Martha
was accused of being a witch, oh because she took
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the saddle. Yep. So members of the Putnam's would do
this thing. They would like to play the copycat game,
and they would just like kind of study Martha and
like her mannerisms and would like do kind of like
mimic her movement and stuff, and so they'd be like,
oh my god, there she's making me like move the
same way as her. Um, she's a witch. These people
(41:26):
don't sound like they were dealing with fungus. It sounds
that they were sociopaths. What a boring witch too, just
like they She didn't she hit a saddle like I
feel like if you were a witch, you would do
maybe something cooler. Well, Giles was like, you know what, Yeah,
she might be. She might be. And let me tell
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you why he turned on his wife so fast, y'all.
He was like, you know what, here's the thing. Some
of our animals got sick, and she was praying, but
like you know, when you pray, like you should be
praying out loud, but she was like silently praying, So
I don't know what she was doing. She was probably
cursing our animals, obviously, And he was like, and she's like,
(42:09):
she like wasn't letting me go to the trials. So
he was like she you know, he was like, she's
a witch, not like a loyal, nice wife who is like, dude,
you're sus so don't go. Yeah, she was trying to
protect him and then he's like he turned on her
and was like, you're a witch. But then on April
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eighth of sixteen ninety two, Giles Corey was charged with
witchcraft when Ann Putnam, who was a twelve year old
girl of obviously the Putnam group, clan, family, whatever, claimed
that he made her write some like weirdness or something
in a book. So he's then accused and then he's like, whoa, whoa,
(42:51):
I'm I'm not okay with these trials, like what you know?
What a quinkitting girl about them? A little too late, Giles,
just like Jojo says in that song. Yeah, He's like,
y'all are crazy. I'm not a witch, which is a thing.
I don't know what you're talking about. And so at
the trial, the Putnam's play the copycat game again, but
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this time they're doing it in court. So they're like,
are you kidding me? Giles, Like what are you doing
like this? You're going to literally practice witchcraft in court.
So they restrained Giles and they're like, don't be dumb.
But Jaws is like, guys, I'm not a witch. This
is silly, but he knew with his like sketchy past,
like in one of the things that his wife had
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like kind of warned him off, I guess, and he
knew like the putnams were kind of like the more
powerful I think than like the porters. So he was like,
all right, I'm kind of screwed. I'm gonna die, so
I may as well die with pride. So he's like,
I'm just not going to speak and I'm going to
refuse to go to trial. Well, at that time, there
was this method to get people to speak, aka torture.
(43:55):
A cool method. It's a great method. Yeah, So what
they did was they stripped Giles down naked in the
middle of town. They laid a boy word on top
of him, and they would slowly put like these stones
on top, slowly increasing the weight until like he would speak.
But Giles was like he knew it, like he was
(44:16):
doomed and he was going to die anyway, so he
did not crack under the pressure. No pun intended, because
I think it was intended. I think you meant to
do that, pun did I got like that real excited,
like childlike face of joy. You know, I put in
my notes. He heat, but he was naked under a
(44:42):
plank with rocks on top of and it was like
eighty or eighty one. Here's my question. I feel what
do you call when little pieces of wood get like
stuck accidentally into your skin? Yeah? In Colombie we call esthidia.
But okay, I feel like his dick got splintered. Oh
I wonder if he had a boner, probably death boner. Well,
(45:04):
because he's so shitty. How you guys ever, consider that
this whole time, we're wrong about the Salem witch Trials,
and maybe we just like read because they had weird
cursive back then. Right, what if it was instead of
the Salem witch Trials, it was just the Salem bitch
Trials and they were just executing people who were bitches
because he seemed like a little bit of a bitch, right,
I mean that's ultimately what it was, I think, because
(45:25):
the Patnam's and the Porters were just accusing each other
of Yeah, witchcraft, Gabby, the quantum leaps that your brain
is making on this episode is astounding. I'm just very creative.
You got some good sleep last night. I got bad
sleep every day. Well that's my two hours, well only
(45:47):
like five, but in a fun and flirty way, just
because I was watching Ted Lasso and I hadn't seen
it yet, so oh I always not pick you for
a Ted Lasso fan. It. I liked it. It's very quaint.
I cried during it. Oh honestly, everyone, Gabby's I think
way more. Um, I think way into cuter things than
(46:08):
one would realize, like into Yeah, I'm a soccer for
toxic positivity. Yeah, yeah, very much, very much. So just
littered with live laugh, love. That's my whole life. I
love how this all started because I said that he
would never crack under pressure anyway. Anyway. Yes, so after
three days of this going down, he says, more weight,
(46:32):
more weight because he's like three days it was two
or three days. Oh no, and he's like more weight,
more weight because he's like, just go ahead and kill me,
because like I know what's going to happen, you know,
just let's just get it over with. So apparently as
he was getting crushed, his little tongue was like squishing
out of his mouth. Oh and the sheriff would like
(46:54):
had a stick and would just like poke it back in.
It'll really humiliating and gross, like just a gross detail.
That is a gross detail. Thank you, you're welcome. But
before his actual before he dies he says, curse you sheriff,
and curse you Salem. So since then his ghost was
(47:17):
has like allegedly been seen in town around like when
things were going awry, Like there were pretty much every
single sheriff died early of some like weird thing, oh
like a weird blood disorders, heart attacks, etc. And there
was like this huge fire um in Salem, which you
(47:37):
know he was seeing around then as well. So like
they think that he's like cursing the town, but it
really wasn't until nineteen ninety one, so not that long ago.
Nika still wasn't born yet, but not that long ago.
It was the sheriff's office moved out of town, and
since then it appears that the curse has been lifted.
(48:01):
So wow, because of the tongue thing, well, no, it
was because he well I mean maybe that's what triggered him. Well,
because it was wait, it was the pressure. It was
the sheriff of the time who did the push the
tongue back in, right, yeah, because he was like, okay,
(48:26):
all right, I'm done. Oh that's nasty, that's yep. Okay, Well,
thank you Taylor for that. Um, you're welcome. You know.
The tongue thinks just really got to me. We'll be
right back. Hi everyone, welcome back. This is an incredibly
(48:48):
in appropriate podcast. Wow. Okay, stop, okay, stop, we're moving on,
moving on. Fabby and I have lost it, literally done.
I'm scared to be haunted. God, please don't. Okay, let
this happen. Okay. So, I yes, extremely disturbing. I usually
loved torture stories, but Taylor, that little cherry on top
of the end was um was enough to make me
(49:10):
rethink being your friend. Okay, So I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
So I thought I was an angel. Well, this is
a little bit of a This is actually for you
because you did such an inappropriate joke. I'm going to
get into my tangent that I think you're going to hate.
I'm mad already. Yeah. So, the ununfortunate one of the
(49:31):
many unfortunate parts about the Ceiling witch trials other than
here know everyone was getting death death, but we don't
really talk about this part is the fact that animals
seem to have been a part of what was going
on there as well. So they have nothing to do
with it. They're innocent little babies. Yeah. Well, yes, so
you know, have you met my cat? He ain't innocent? Yeah, Jimmy.
(49:57):
We love Jimmy though. Um we all know. You know
the concept of familiars, which are basically like little household
pets that serve as witches companions. They're like meant to
be guides and protectors of witches and the witches. You know,
it said that they have very sacred connections with their familiars.
This is like an ancient belief that, yeah, but I
(50:20):
have a connection with my daughter because you're a sacred connection.
Yeah he might, maybe I'm aware. Wow, Okay, everyone with
an animal is a witch the end. Oh okay, okay, yes,
glad we're not in hysteria Salem anymore. So obviously ancient belief,
so everyone kind of like knew it as fact. So
(50:41):
of course the paranoid people from the Salem witch trials
they believed it, and famously they were not very logical
about it either. They both accused animals and also treated
the animals as victims at times, which was a very
interesting way of going about it, like that's not fair,
they can't stand up for themselves. Yeah, well, guilty versus
(51:02):
not guilty in Salem was a very complicated matter, I suppose,
because it just changed by the day, you know. So
there was like one dog in sixteen ninety two in andover,
um who was minding you know, their business, living life whatever,
chewing a bone I don't know, and this girl said, um,
(51:23):
that dog is looking at me weird and it is
trying to bewitch me. I can feel it, and like, listen,
I've stared into a labordoodle's eyes. I know. It's just
it is disturbing, but it's not bewitching. It might be scary,
but it's not like either're not actually trying to be
witch you, you know what I mean. Yeah, but she
like opposite witches because there's just nothing inside of that
(51:48):
and un speakable void. She hasn't complained of labradoodles for
like thirty episodes exactly, so give it to me, thank you.
So she accused the dog of witchcraft with a bitch,
and the villagers shot the dog immediately. No trial, no
trial the dog. No Oh dog court though. Oh I'm upset,
(52:16):
but no, just like what if all the jurors were
dogs and like they had a little lord, like a
little ruffle collar for the lawyers and stuff. Oh dog
court Oh my gosh, is this a TV show We're
about to do? Yes, so the minister. This is the
weirdest thing is if the minister later declared the dog
innocent because he said that if the dog was possessed,
(52:38):
it would have survived the gunshots. That's that works. It's
not um, you can't just like be like, oh, you're
a witch, kill them they die, and then you're like, oh,
I must not have been a witch, like exactly, because
then what's the point, you know, yeah, other than just
wanted to kill people, because like they would have still
stayed alive either way. So that's yeah, their logic was bad.
(53:02):
People were liars back then. That's why people well still
now but yes, yes, oh well but like about really
stupid stuff. Yeah, people live about really stupid stuff now,
so whatever, don't listen to me. Well anyway, so that
was weird logic. And like, for example, another weird thing
is like if pets are local animals they seem like
tired or sickly, they were immediately assumed to have been
(53:24):
ridden by witches at night, so they could go to
their witch meetings in the forest and they would say
that the animals were hag ridden. The night before, so
they just like assumed that their pets were being constantly
used by witches and that's why they were tired or
like sickly. Oh what if we rode our cats? I
would love to ride, or if they got bigger like
(53:45):
the cat bus and tow durell. That's literally my dream.
That is literally my dream in my world. And honestly,
I am so sad that it will probably never happen
and that just like deeply disappoints me about life. I oh,
my gosh, all I do is like watch fantasy shit,
and then I get mad that like I can't be
a fairy living under a mushroom, Like what the heck?
(54:08):
Why you look like a fairy. You'd be a cute fairy.
Thank you. I really appreciate that. I think I'd be
a great fairy. I want to be a gremlin who
lives under a bridge. I'm gonna say, wow, different people,
you're icorn. Oh you're a unicorn. You're a unicorn. You
are I am so happy. Okay, Okay, you're a unicorn
(54:31):
and a treasure. Okay, so you know weird weird shit
like that. Um. Actually, I have a little mini story
about Martha Corey, who was Giles's wife. The girls who
accused the witches during these trials, basically they would say
that they sometimes, they would say against the witches, they
would say that they saw visions of the witches with
(54:53):
very specific animals like dogs or dogs or um in
this specific case um yellow birds for some reason. So,
like they say, one of the girls who accused Martha
core they say that they saw Martha Corey with yellow
birds on top of her head and suckling on her fingers,
and that in like the fits that they would have,
(55:14):
they would see yellow birds. So of course I guess
because they saw that and they related it to Martha,
that meant that Martha was guilty. Yeah, obviously, Okay. Also,
another interesting fact that I did find about the Salem
witch trials is that another way that they would try
to figure out if someone was a witch or not
is like by checking their body for plumishes or like
(55:35):
weirdness on their bodies, because to them, that was like,
I think a way that evil would come in was
like via blemishes, which I'm like, bro, that sucks, Like
I got all kinds of evil in me? Yeah, I
got lots of I mean, I can't imagine their skin
care was that great. Back then, they didn't have like
seravi hydrating, moisturized or you know what I mean. Also
(55:56):
another thing is if they had so funny third nipples
were considered like the devil's nipple. Basically, anyone who had it,
the people immediately assumed that their familiars would suckle on it,
and that's where they would get their evil, devilish strength.
And also that like the devil himself would like suckle
on the third nipple, and therefore it was a sign
(56:18):
that that person was a witch that had a lot
of third nipples back then common phenomenon. Yeah, I think
it's more common than we think. I oh, yeah, I'm
sure it is. But anyway, so I just I found
that interesting. So things like suckling, we're we're also considering
kind of witchy. So of course this girl saying that
yellowbird is suckling on your on your on your hand
(56:39):
in my vision, you must be a witch. I think
if you have the vision though you're a witch, you
would think right, And whenever they would talk about the visions,
this is what they called spectral evidence. So like instead
of like her word against you know, whoever is, they
basically saw this as supernatural evidence according to the victim,
(57:00):
which is pretty terrible because it makes no sense because
there's that's not evidence. There's no way that you can
prove that, you know what I mean. Anyway, Twenty people
and two dogs were executed for witchcraft during the time
of the Salem witch Trials, which is horrible and bananas
and you know, all cursed in how they are and
how for my gosh, Taylor, I mean the people, not
(57:23):
the dogs. The dogs are in heaven, yes they are,
so you know, sad little story to end this wonderful podcast.
Thank you so much for listening to this, you know,
fun and flirty episode. We will see you next week.
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letter m if you know for some reason that might
trigger you being crushed, and there was one witches witches, witches, witches. Um,
So that is what's happening on this podcast. We are
looking forward to it. What a way to start the day. Wow,
let's cue the alligator music. Okay, welcome back. Taylor mentioned
(01:35):
that people might be ending their day with this. If
you are ending your day with this, what the fuck
is wrong with you? Um? No, I'm kidding. I just
I'm scared you'll have nightmares. But you know what, you
are your own person and you get to decide for yourself.
I'm just saying we're recording this in the morning. So
that's why I said start my day anyway. I don't
need to ever explain myself. I'm a god, Okay, Gabby, Gabby, Yeah, Gabby, Gabby, Gabby. Yeah.
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Well I think sometimes people I on another show I
worked on, they said there's one comment that was like, yeah,
I love to listen a true crime podcast to fall
asleep too. So maybe the soothing tones of rape, murder, incest,
and yeah, okay, killing your family members. I guess that's
another thing that's going to happen today. So philiside phillis
(02:21):
belove it so fun and flirty. Okay, So yeah, we're
gonna be going We're going to Korea in the eighteenth century.
Is everyone to Korea in a while? They haven't been
to Korea in a while? It's true. Um, usually it's
just like toxic white people that we talk about dying
because it feels less problematic to talk about their deaths,
(02:43):
you know, you know, absolutely agreed. Well, it's kind of
like reparations. Kidding, kidding, my god, I'm kidding anyway, where
this is Okay, So in seventeen thirty five, a little
babe was born and he would one day be known
as Prince Sado Sodo means think of you with great sorrow,
(03:06):
or whenever I think about you, I am heartbroken because
because mister Prince Otto is going to be killed by
his dad. Love to see it. Family, you're just going
for it. Yeah, family is complicated. I mean, yeah, spoiler,
this person dies. Can you believe it? Can you believe it? Anyway?
(03:28):
I'm shook. Yeah, It's just like this is like the
ultimate story of like daddy issues. It's like you take
your daddy issues and you compound them with maybe like
bipolar disorder and some OCD and also just like a
dad who is chronically disappointed at you, and this is
what happens. You get sentenced to death. Okay, so just
watch off for your dad. All That's all I'm saying. Okay,
(03:51):
so not to everyone, because it's a lot of people
got daddy issues and there would be a lot more
philicide if that was the case. Yeah, that's that's true.
But anyway, so his dad is King Young Joe, and
he he this dude, he's kind of seems a little
insecure anyway because he became king even though he was
like pretty low ranking um in terms of like the
royal family, so it seemed like he had his own insecurities. Also,
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he had a son before Sado who he really liked,
but then that son died, so then they had Sodo
and so yeah, so Sado, it seemed like his dad
was already going to put a lot of pressure on him,
be like, you have to be like my other son
who died, which is you know, that's already complicated and
Prince Otto he was, you know, his dad wanted him
(04:35):
to be like a really good student, really good scholar,
but he was more interested in like the arts and
like archery and like having tale you'll know, classic tale. Yes,
So his dad was always like, what the hell is
wrong with you? You need to be better, and he's like, no,
I want to do arts and sports. And so then
his dad just would yell at him, would like yell
(04:57):
at him in public all the time, in front of
like the rest of like the royal court. And so
Sado developed kind of like an anxiety around his dad
where he was always like super timid around him, which
then made his dad even angrier. So it was real complex, Okay, right,
the chain of events, I'd be anxious to be around
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my dad too if he yelled at me every single
time we were in public. Yeah, and just like undermined
all of your decisions and told you you were like
dumb all the time, you know, like and that you
had to be like the son that died. Yeah, you
know you weren't as good. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so Prince Sodo,
he you know, this is a romantic story. He gets
betrothed and he weds this woman lady hung by woman,
(05:39):
I mean girl child. They're both eight years old when
this happened, Oh my god, which was apparently not a woman,
a little a literal girl in Prince Otto was a
literal boy. They got married at eight, which apparently was
like kind of typical of the time, classic boy meets
girls story, except they're both eight and they have no
(05:59):
choice exactly. It's a classic love story. I'm already triggered.
I think this is why. But Taylor Swift was singing
about in the song love Story, this specific scenario. Thank
you for the analysis. Yeah, But she's important because she
wrote a memoir that kind of like details a lot
(06:20):
of like Sado's behavior and kind of what was happening
at this time, which some people like they don't trust
him because they're like maybe she wasn't cahoots with the
king and they wanted to like get rid of him anyway.
But that's also like not doesn't seem to be true
because she just gives like very specific details of all
this crazy shit that's gonna happen. Because the crazy a
lot of shit's going to happen. So when he's like ten,
he has some sort of like psychological breakdown where he
(06:42):
like goes into unconscious and Lady Hong is like, this
is where everything started going real bad, and then a
lot of other like traumatic things seemed to happen, all
with the backdrop of his dad being like a total
dick to him all the time. How old is he now, Well,
he has the psychological like breakdown when he's ten, and
good for him for going at least two years. I
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would not I wouldn't last at all. Yeah, yeah, I
mean year two of a marriage is pretty complex. But
oh my god, oh my god. Okay, but like a
lot of sad things are happening, like you know, for
like you know, when they're fourteen, they finally have a kid,
and that kid dies after two years fourteen oh oh no,
(07:23):
I can't imagine having a kid at thirty three. Yeah,
fourteen much less fourteen. Well, yeah, your kid would already
be like in college. Now I could be a grandmother
Granny Taylor so sweet. Um, But his kid dies very
sad they have another kid. But then also he was
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very close to his sister because his sister is like
gets the fact that their dad's a huge dick. And
but then the thing is then she dies very sad. Also,
like his dad, the king gives him like administration like
duties to do, but he every time he makes a choice,
his dad's like, that's the bad that's the wrong choice.
He made a bad decision. Also, he wouldn't like let
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him go to a lot of court events. He's still
yelling at him in public all the time. Hang, is
he's like ten, so like is he or fourteen? I
guess is he misbehaving? And is he getting into some shenanigans?
I mean some shenanigans are about to happen. I mean
they also people there's a lot of shit that's about
to go down. But I'm just saying there's a lot
of like tragedy that was happening in his life to
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kind of understand where all the you know, basically spoiler alert,
he becomes like a serial killer and rapists. So okay,
Well I don't know why all starts with the parent though,
So I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying, like
he did have a fucked up So all you parents
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out there, you're traumatizing all of your children, you're giving. Yeah,
you're turning your kids into the responsibility of being a
parent too much. Just when kim Chi, If Kimchi is
even a little bit upset, I'm like, I'm a bad mother.
I'm a bad mother. Put me away, like, take him
away from me, because I am not taking care of
my child, right, So I can't even imagine what it's
actually like with a human baby. Yeah yeah, but yeah,
(09:13):
so like he also like his dad puts them specifically
in charge of like overseeing torture, which I also don't
know if that would be like the best role for
him necessarily when he was when he was young, like
ten's like fifteen, that's gonna fuck a child up. Oh
my god, So he's fifteen, he's a man. Of course,
(09:33):
it's gonna regardless, your brain is still developing, especially because
he's a boy, so it's like developing slowly. I think
I think that was some sarcasm from Gabby. Oh well,
you know, he wouldn't be literally considered an adult at
this point, you know, I mean, I'm yeah, I'm just
thinking in terms of like he's on his second kid, like,
but he's still technically not mentally an adult. He's still
(09:57):
a child. Yeah, it's very much a child. And like,
during this whole time, his mental health is definitely deteriorating
and it's no good. And then finally, when he's like
twenty two, the queen dies. The queen isn't his biological mother,
but his mother's a concubine. But the queen dies and
he was very close to her. And then also the
queen's mom dies within a month of each other. And
this is really like already a lot of ship's kind
(10:20):
of going down with him, but this like really sends
him over the edge. So the things that start happening
kind of when he's a teen and into early adulthood is,
you know, he starts having delusions, like, for example, he
had a dream about the god of thunder and so
then he just developed a fear of the sky in general,
So he's just scared of the sky inconvenient. Yeah, he's
(10:42):
always there. Yeah, he definitely needs some therapy. He also
started having a clothing phobia. So basically what happened is
every day he needed to have at least twenty to
thirty outfits laid out for him for him to decide,
and he couldn't always decide, and sometimes he would like
burn some of his outfits, like these beautiful silk outfits
because he just like there was just like something like
it's probably like OCD or something where he couldn't like
(11:04):
handle all the clothes. I've definitely had a breakdown trying
to figure out what to wear though. Yeah, this is
every day though of like twenty to thirty outfits, and
the problem is the people who would dress him. His
wife wrote that it was lucky if nothing happened to them,
because he was he would like beat his servants and
then he started killing them. So he would kill his servants,
(11:28):
like specifically his dress servants if they like maybe dressed
him wrong. He was like very emotional and he would
just like he started to deal with his feelings instead
of you know, like you know, men should just go therapy,
he just started killing his servants, so that's a fun thing.
Like one time, like after the queen died, he got
so he was so upset with it that he had
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you know, they just had a lot of Unichs around,
you know, you just gotta have them. So after to
deal with his grief, he beheaded one of the eunuchs
and then went over to his wife and was like, look,
I beheaded the Unich and she's like, I don't want
to see that, dude, Okay, But then he would also
be very physically violent with her lot of the time.
And then he started also like sexually harassing all the
ladies in waiting, and if they didn't have sex with them,
(12:13):
he would rape them. So that's another he's very problematic.
He's yeah, he's having there's definitely something going on. He
also rapes a Buddhist nun. And then he starts sexually
harassing his younger sister, not the one he was close
to but he passed away, but his younger sister, and
he attempts to rape her as well. I was not successful.
(12:33):
Was not successful, but also I imagine she's still felt
very bad. He also, um, you know, he just has
all this paranoia around his father too, so like he
takes it's like pretty normal for people to like take,
you know, concubines. So he has like one concubine and
she gets pregnant, and he's really concerned that his dad
will be mad about it, so he like forces her
(12:55):
to take all these like abortive substances. But then his
wife actually takes the concubine and like kind of hides
her way and they end up having a healthy baby,
so that's cool. But then he takes another concubine and
he was really stressed out about that one too, because
this concubine was like a former lady in waiting to
his grandmother, so I guess based on the laws of
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Korea at the time, that was considered incests somehow. Like
him being with the lady in waiting to his grandmother
very confusing, and so when his dad found out about him,
he like super went in on him and just like
braided the shit out of him. And then Prince Odo
tries to jump down a well to kill himself, but
then a guard fishes him out of the well. It's like, yeah,
(13:38):
you don't get to die today, sir oh, and then
he beats the concubine to death in a fit of rage. So, yeah,
he's not doing so well. He's there's something wrong, something's
going on. There's some signs, you know, but maybe his
mental health isn't the best. Yeah, he's TikTok. Yeah. He also,
(13:59):
heaven forbid, he's drinking, which is illegal to do at courts,
so that really makes his behavior even worse. And during
this time, like his dad doesn't know exactly about all
this stuff, but he his dad takes the concubine, and
the concubine is like friends with some mother concubines, and
like his dad kind of gets informed through the grape
vine gets informed the concubine grape vine gets informed about
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like kind of what's going on, and it's not exactly clear,
like what was the tipping point. I mean, there's obviously
a lot of these could be really great tipping points
on their own or whatever. Yea, that they're thinking that
maybe what happened is that Prince Otto had like an
altercation with another like royal person and he was trying
to sneak into the palace. So then rumors were going
(14:42):
around that he was sneaking in the palace to try
to kill his dad, and so they're thinking maybe that's
why it might be the sister thing, it might be
any of the number of these things because also Lady
Hang wrote that at this point in nine in seventeen
sixty two, when Sado, he's like twenty seven like daily
bodies were being taken out of his house of like
people who had killed That is gruesome. Yeah, So Daddy,
(15:08):
Young Joe is like this is this is yikes, you know,
mega yikes. And he like asked him at some point,
He's like, why are you doing all this crazy shit? Son?
And Prince Otto says, I am in pain. You're my
father and you do not love me. Ah wow, because
of you, Dad, Because of you. Yeah, yeah, because that's
(15:32):
what that's my My daddy issues you know have definitely manifested,
you know, in a similar way. So I'm just kidding.
That was a joke. That's not real. It's not real.
It's I don't do any of this. I don't know.
This silence was so loud it was I felt I
might have to ponder, you know. I mean, I do
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also difficult sometimes I don't know what to wear, um,
but now I just don't get dressed. So that's I
just wear pajamas all day, So that's what I do.
I just just imagining you face down. You're just like
never getting dressed doing it. Yeah, anyway, But the thing
is like they're you know, the King's like, oh, I
guess we kind of gotta get rid of my son
(16:13):
because like this this shit is out of control. But
the thing is like, you can't. It's like illegal to
kill your royal children. So he has to me like
kind of like find a loophole. So what he does
is he strips him of his title, Prince Auto of
his title. And then what he does is he's like, well,
I can't literally because also if you like execute your son,
(16:35):
then like you also have to like execute like the
wife and the kids. You know, you just have to
do a group thing. So he didn't want that to happen.
So what he did instead was like, Okay, instead of
killing you, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get
a rice box, which is like a four foot by
four foot box where you would keep rice in. He says, well,
I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put Sotto in the
(16:55):
box and lock the box and he'll die in the box.
And I won't have killed him. He'll just die in
the box of natural you know, station and thirst. You know.
So it's like, what a great loophole, Like, he's not
literally killing him, he's just trapped in a box, so
preventing him from living. Yeah, exactly, you know, it's a loophole.
(17:16):
It's different, you know, giving big sims to energy. You
trapped your sim in a pool. You know, you took
the ladder away. Yeah, so because you didn't kill the sem,
the sem you just yet. Yeah, so that's what happens.
He puts them in a rice box. Apparently Prince Otto
was like obviously not feeling it. He was like, don't
put me in the box, please, But he's like, you're
(17:37):
going in the box. So he put him in the box,
and the guards for a couple of days they're just like, oh,
maybe this box situation is just like a temporary, normal
punishment that you give to your adult son. And so
they were still giving him like food and water. But
then the king was like, no, stop that, and then
they wrapped additional ropes around the box, then moved up
to the upper level of the palace and then also
covered it in grass I don't know why, maybe for
(17:59):
weight some heavy grasses. I don't know. I mean it
kind of just sounds like you put him, he buried
him alive, yeah, put the grass on the top. Or
he was just trying to have like a nice like
you know, like a planter situation, you know, like he
just wanted some plants inside or something. I don't know. Anyway,
so he's obviously not having a good time in the box.
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Day seven, he's still crying out, being like, I don't
like this. But then finally on day eight they look
in the box and he has perished. I know that
box is haunted. That box is probably haunted as hell.
Oh yeah, so his dad is obviously a little sad
about it. After the fact, he reinstates his title like
fifteen days after he dies, and then ends up killing
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all of his servants for the most part, because that's
what you just do for royals. He doesn't kill the wife,
he doesn't kill the kids, just everyone they've ever spoken to. Yeah,
just everybody who print Sodo was already killing. So anyway,
fun and flirty, being royal is normal and fun. And
then I mean, I don't know, there's obviously not really
(19:04):
like a silver line mining, but like his son with
his first concubine ends up becoming like are the descendants
of him end up becoming the first like emperor of Korea?
So like good, good for you. But anyway, sometimes sometimes
it's hard to just be having mental illnesses and having
a dad who's not nice to you. So yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(19:29):
well yeah yeah yeah okay, well wow, um, thank Gabby,
thank you Gabby for that, truly from the uh, from
the bottom of my heart, my box heart. Um, we
will be right back, wow Gabby. Um hi everyone, welcome back. Eat.
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You know, yikes, that's a big that's a big yike story.
Um mega yikes, mega yikes. Truly, so we are doing
like it's a very anti Hallmark movie vibe at the
moment because there's no happy family reunions. You know, there's
no fuzzy feelings. Because I'm going to talk more about philicide.
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Ye yes, yes, um. Basically, if you don't know what
philocide is, it's the deliberate act of a parent killing
their child, like what Gaby just no, he doesn't story
that he didn't kill his son. He just put him
in a box and he happened to die of starvation.
And third and dehydration. It's different. Hey, okay, it's literally
(20:37):
he just kept him from living, like stopped him from living.
It's not he didn't kill him. Y'all are emperor apologists? King? Okay, fine, whatever, anyway,
just a king, justice king. And also yeah yeah, um
well the statistics are pretty disturbingly high for it, even
(20:58):
though like just one is fucking disturbing. Um so that's,
you know, not great. It's still relatively something that actually
people do, which is disgusting. What the fuck go die.
But we're not going to talk about current philiside because
that is depressing as hell. We're going to talk about
the past because that's less depressing. It's fine, it's a
little little less depressing. Yeah, we're removed from it. It's fine. Yeah.
(21:22):
So I know a guy who did it, who did
the philocide? Well no, I mean I know a guy.
His name is Ivan the Oh he was terrible, terrible.
Oh nice, Taylor. I like how you said that so casually.
If we were actually finishing my sentence, I thought you
were going to literally be like, yes, one of my
family friends too, And I was like, oh, just there,
(21:46):
but I'm in the terrible We've talked about him Ivan
we have that's terrible. Yeah, it's quite bad. So if
we don't, you know, just a little update on I'm
the terrible. Not update, but he was a Russian tsar
in the mental late fifteen hundreds, and he was not
a very good guy. He had like terrible Well actually,
hence the name is not real because actually what it
(22:09):
means in Russia and what it means at least at
that time, was more like the magnificent or like the
Oh my god, you're so amazing that it's like a
little scary. It doesn't mean you were like a bad person.
But honestly, the shoe does fit. So I'm just glad
that language has at least kept up with the vibe.
The Ivan was actually pretty terrible. Okay. So he had
(22:31):
like six to eight wives, only four were recognized by
the church, and his first wife gave him six children. Yeay,
bountiful marriages whatever. Now the third to be born was
a boy. Finally, they had had two girls initially, thank goodness. Yeah,
what would we have done? Yep, yeah, get the fuck
(22:51):
out girls. Okay, so he was obviously the first heir. However,
sadly he died during infancy. He drowned. Sad um, pretty
sad bad, Yeah, pretty bad. So the next child after
that was another boy, and he is who we're going
to get into. And funny enough, um, they actually named
(23:14):
him Ivan, so he's like Ivan Junior. How funny. Yeah,
his name was Ivan Ivanovitch. I think back then they
only had like four names. There was a twenty five
percent chance that he would be named Ivan precisely. Wow,
such good calculations so quickly, Gabby, you are truly a genius. Um. Anyway,
(23:36):
So Ivan the Terrible obviously he was the heir, He
was the apparent heir, so he was going to be um,
you know Zar eventually. And I'm in the Terrible and
his son Ivan were actually buds like for quite some time.
Ivan the Terrible took his son at fifteen to see
his private army basically massacre people together. Why I mean,
(24:02):
you know son activity. Yeah, they would just do things
to like bond over. Like. For example, there was this
massacre called the Massacre of Novodod where I'van the Terrible
took his private army to attack a Russian city called
Novodod because Ivan the Terrible was paranoid and thought that
they had committed treason and treachery mind you by you know,
(24:23):
as Ivan the Terrible got older and more powerful, he
became more paranoid and did some disturbing shit, which is
not good. So basically he and his son would go
to see horrific acts of violence, like torturing people by
grilling them more um binding like yeah, like grilling as
in like putting them on a hot not like a
(24:47):
George Foreman situation. That didn't exist back that. Oh, they
didn't have like a green egg that they could just
grill some people. You need a big green egg though
to I have heard that those are so expensive. By
the way, I don't know a person size one would
be super expensive or you have to get like three
and then like put them on. Yeah, I'd be too competent.
(25:08):
That's true too. He's a bizarre He had a lot
of money, It's true he did. But but no girls,
they didn't exist back then. It's more like burned alive,
I guess could have vibe. Okay. So he would also
like bind and throw women and children into the Volkov River,
which is where they would be trapped under the ice
and die. And I've in the Terrible actually had men
(25:31):
from his private army on the boats of the river.
So even if people did manage to like survive being
bound and thrown into the river, and they like manage
to come up from air, the soldiers would basically push
them down to make sure that they died in the
icy river. Why people so freaking mean, But I don't understand. Yeah,
it's pretty it's it's pretty bad. Um, I don't tell you. Also,
(25:55):
good son father bonding exactly, good son father bonding. And
the funniest thing is that after seeing these pretty gruesome
acts I've in the terrible and his son would go
to the church for prayer every single afternoon. Forgiven, they
are forgiven. Listen, and then it happened all over again.
Well this happened for five weeks, So major bonding, you
(26:19):
know what I mean? They were, they were really tight,
just like a morning I imagine, I'm thinking about their
g cows. You know, it's like eight thirty to twelve thirty.
People watch some like massacre twelve thirty to two, you know,
go to church. Yeah absolutely, yeah, and then like eat
a ton of food and I don't know, practice war
or something. Yeah. It was just just think how lucky
(26:41):
they are to have each other, you know, just really
appreciate each other. That's what life is about, you know,
is it not? Anyway, so i've in the Terrible was
also a very involved father when it came to Ivan
producing an air. Understandably, it was very important to him.
So at seventeen, Ivan was supposed to marry a Russian
noble woman chosen by his dad. But she didn't produce
(27:04):
an air quick enough, which a bitch? What was she thinking? Yeah, exactly,
So Ivan's dad banished her to a convent. Okay, ridiculous
being a woman, being a surf or being a woman,
all of those are cool. Yeah, Um, Ivan the Terrible guy,
(27:25):
Ivan another bride, you know, second time, we're trying to
go for it. But the same thing happened, so she
was banished, banished to a convent again by Ivan the
Terrible anyway, finally, there are times to charm you guys.
Ivan's third bride, Yelenava, was pregnant in October of fifteen
(27:48):
eighty one. What joy. They had tried for so long,
so hard. Finally you know what I mean? And um,
no confident for her, which is good. Every one of
the family was overjoyed. So things carried on as normal.
You know, we got the war, we got you know,
Ivan the Terrible having weird, disturbing, panicky, paranoid moments. But
(28:09):
for the most part, everything's pretty okay. You know, he
was still greedy, starting wars whatever. Anyway, until November fifteenth,
Ivan's wife was walking in the castle, minding her business,
happy and pregnant. You know, when Ivan the Terrible cut
a glimpse of her. Oh, a glimpse is never good.
A glimpse is never good. He became so offended at
(28:30):
what she was wearing because, according to him, her clothes
were inappropriate. Um, they were lighter than usual and so naturally,
you know, as what anyone would do when they react
when they see this is um, he started beating her. Now,
this was pretty normal for Ivan the Terrible. It seems
like he would lose his temper often, and he also
suffered from mental illnesses like later on in his life.
(28:52):
Still not okay, obviously, It's just not okay to hit women. Also,
that was all they had at the maternity store. You know,
maybe they didn't have some good options exactly. My thing
is like, you wanted her to be pregnant so bad.
And then you're still beating on her. H come on.
So Ivan heard his wife's screams traumatic and rushed to
(29:16):
find his father attacking his pregnant wife. Bad so he
freaked out and took his wife away, but the damage
was done and she miscarried. What a dick, truly, So
Ivan confronted Ivan the Terrible about it, but when he did,
his father accused him of treason and insubordination. They basically
(29:38):
got into this big argument about his wife and about
the wars, and about you know, Ivan's own opinions on
how Russia should be governed. And Ivan the Terrible became
so enraged that he struck his son with his scepter,
inflicting a fatal head wound. Oh wow. Ivan stumbled back
in a daze, and he was bleeding, and he fell
(29:59):
to the floor, and his father immediately stopped and held
his son and cried out, may I be I've killed
my son over and over and over again, and he
kissed his son, and apparently, according to one eyewitness, I
don't believe this, but whatever, his son said, I die
as a devoted son and most humble servant, which again
(30:20):
I doubt, but whatever. Oh but if he did like, oh,
that would be Yeah, you'd hate to hear from that.
I was a good son and he's like, ooh and
you killed me. Um. Ivan died on the nineteenth of November,
leaving I'm in the terrible with no viable airs and
furthering him into madness. What an idiot, dummy. That's why
(30:44):
you shouldn't kill your son. Absolutely and actually him, you know,
killing his son was part of the reason why basically
their empire eventually like toppled over. So you know, don't
kill your son. Also, as a father in law, don't
have opinions about your daughter in law's choice clothing. Okay,
(31:06):
can wear whatever she wants. She can be she's a
free sparrit yep yep. I like, but can can we
delimit that not just limit that to just father like
in laws? Can just well in general? Nope, I'm not
going to make it broader, Okay, Okay, Well anyway, so
that's the story, phil aside, not a vibe, not vibe
(31:29):
like a bad vibe. I would put it more bad
vibe than good vibe. I great cantgrization. Um And with that, Taylor,
my angel, I know you have a story for us
I'm hoping it's an angel. You are an angel. I
freaking call you an angel all the time. Don't be
a stupid bitch. I like tell you this all the time. Anyway,
don't be a stupid I call you an angel all
(31:51):
the time. I'm so fun to you, bitch. Yeah, literally,
that's that's that's me. I'm just very aggressive with the
way I love people. Okay, So I hear you have
a wonderful story that might be a little less traumatic
than this one, although I feel like it probably, I mean,
could have her girls, it can only be so yeah, light,
(32:12):
don't expect much. Okay, Well, I would love to hear it. Okay,
So I'm gonna tell you about Giles Corey. Yeah you
are girlfriend? Yeah GGI girlfriendo GC, Giles Corey group chat whatever. GC.
I believe he was noted in The Crucible, but for
(32:32):
those such as myself who never read the book or
saw the movie, although maybe I did read the book
and I just don't remember, like in high school, you know.
But it revolves around the Salem which Charles, which started
in February of sixteen ninety two to May of the
next year in Massachusetts. So basically what was happening people
(32:53):
were getting sick today. They believed that it was like
this fungus that was found in wheat and would call
it these like delusions and like muscle spasms vomiting, and
that was like the cause of this hysteria, really fun stuff,
so naturally, much like when it last week, a couple
weeks ago. When we're talking about vampires, the obvious conclusion
(33:13):
is not that people are getting sick because there's you know,
a baia or a fngus exactly. It's that somebody is
cursing them and they are witches. I it's like bad hysteria.
I love goods hysteria, you know, like sometimes when you
look at your partner you're so enraged with like, oh
my god, you're so yummy. I just want to you know,
like bite, Like I like that kind of hysteria, but
(33:36):
like the oh my god, you know it's a witch definitely,
and then make terrible decisions in history, that's like bad
hysteria to be yeah, for everyone, Like you know when
people get hysterical about like there's like bombs and like
weapons of mass destruction. The Iraq can wear hysterical bonds
and we have years long wars that we didn't exactly
(33:57):
you don't remember that, you know I do, And I
think that is like, again, if we're categorizing bad vibe,
you know, weapons of mass destruction, are today's witches big
mental leaps happening? Okay, go ahead. But at the same time, people,
(34:18):
if they are people that are creating, I mean, it's
like they're creating their own little spells and concoctions and curses.
So sure, why not make things make sense? They're just curses? Okay, great,
So anyway, so obviously they're like, there's witches. But it
also doesn't help that when one or two admits that
they're like against the Puritans, and then they also confess
(34:39):
to being a witch, like, it just validates everybody's original thoughts.
So that is not helpful. Yes, it's very not helpful.
So apparently that's enough to back everything up, and it's
became this town's mission to find and execute all of
the witches. Their punishments were typically hanging, while others just
died in jail. Which I didn't know this because I
(35:02):
don't know why, but um, I thought that it was
only women that were accused of being witches, but they
were actually five or six men among the thirty that
were quality. Wow. Yeah, oh that's not exactly equal because
it was still like five or six men. So anyway,
so we're gonna talk about Darles Corey in his accusation, um,
(35:26):
and his death went a little bit different. So little
backstory on little Giles. He was a farmer, quite successful
at it, I guess exactly. Um. He had all kinds
of crops. They were very they were doing really well.
He had this farmhand named Jacob good Ale who apparently
(35:48):
he stole some apples, which Giles took a little too
seriously and beat him to death. The terrible vibes. But
where they I hope they were like honey crisp and
not this like a shitty one, Like what's the shittiest apple?
I don't like Granny Smith. Yeah, I do like Granny Smith.
(36:09):
Granny Smith. I only like them if they're like cooked
with something, you know, Like I don't like them, just
like I want to beat someone to death for them.
Maybe honey crisp, because those are delish. They are delish
um or like Asian pears. Gosh, I go into pears,
I mean apples. I'm just saying, if there's a fruit
(36:33):
to like beat someone a death over. I think that's
like up there, mangoes too, good man. I'm supposed to
compare apples to oranges though, so leave the oranges out
of it. Why don't you open your mind a little?
Taylors which she's a witch. Yeah, I'm a witch. I'm
a witch. Okay, um, But Giles is like, no, I
didn't beat him up. He just fell off a ladder. Um,
(36:56):
But then other people they fell off a ladder. That. Yeah,
he was like super bruised, like there's no there's no
way that he just like fell off a ladder. But
people also overheard him bragging about beating Jacob to death,
so well, that'll do it. Yeah, So he goes on
trial for murder, but really the only thing that happens
(37:16):
is that he pays a fine, which a lot of
people are like, that's not cool. So he got in
trouble for like other small things like theft, but always
seemed to get away with it. Moral of this story.
He's not a great dude. So but then, okay, all
that stuff's happening. He was first married to a woman
(37:37):
named Margaret, who died shortly after they arrived in Salem.
And then later he married a woman named Mary. After
like twelve years in Salem, she dies the letter M bad.
Then he married a fellow widow named Martha, so he
had Margaret, Mary, and Martha, which all of this seems
(37:59):
a little suspicious to me, Like, what's with all of
the m's and why are they dying? Yeah, that'sious. He
has a type. There's only four names back then, right, Martha, Margaret,
whatever else? And I then there are only four and Ivan, Yeah, yeah,
that's it. And it was easier to have Giles and Giles.
(38:21):
Quite a strange. I feel like it was easier to
have a type back then because there were, you know,
not as much diversity now if you have a type,
it's like, Nica, why did you keep going for like
tattooed berries? Does? No? Like there's more out there. There
are more. Definitely more types now for sure. But I
see where you're going with the ms, you know, yeah, yeah,
it just seems a little suspicious to me. So the
(38:44):
witch trials. Witch trials are a hot topic. People are
out hunting for witches um and basically there were these
like two tribes, if you will, in Salem. There were
two families and half the town would follow one the
other half of allow the other. So there was the
Putnam's and the Porters. Two peas. Are you kidding me? Oh?
I should have listed pea as a trigger warning. The
(39:06):
Putnams and the Porters. So it was really kind of
like their feud that led to the trials because they
were like, you know, trying to get each other, and
they were like just accusing the other people who were
like associating with the other family. I have a question, yes, okay,
not a question, I have a really good point. Porter
Pittman p all the ms, Salem s p M S. Wow.
(39:33):
All right, well I don't need to finish my story.
Wow x x five x files x files themes so okay.
So anyway, so it was like this feud that kind
of like led to the trials because they were just
like accusing each other being witches. Um and Giles, his
allegiance was of the Porter clan and had the Patinams
(39:56):
pissed off. The Putnams were like this guy, bad dude,
not worth it. You know. They're like they were out
to get him. They tried he like murdered somebody, you know,
he was like stealing stuff, he was just a bad
guy anyway. So Giles, at this point eight eighty one
years old or something, he was attending the trials and
his wife is like, you probably shouldn't be going to
(40:18):
the trials. You have a past. The Putnam's are going
to be pissed at you, so like they're going to
come for you. So she's like trying to stop him
from going to the trials. So what does she do.
She hides his saddle so he can't go horseback riding
into town. I like, I don't know, that seems silly
because at this time everybody was just riding horses and
(40:40):
they should be able to ride bear back and it
shouldn't be that big of a deal. Yeah, I don't
know how far a town is, but like that that's whatever.
Did it stop him? Well, so this was very suspicious
of Martha to do, and so on March nineteenth, Martha
was accused of being a witch, oh because she took
(41:03):
the saddle. Yep. So members of the Putnam's would do
this thing. They would like to play the copycat game,
and they would just like kind of study Martha and
like her mannerisms and would like do kind of like
mimic her movement and stuff, and so they'd be like,
oh my god, there she's making me like move the
same way as her. Um, she's a witch. These people
(41:26):
don't sound like they were dealing with fungus. It sounds
that they were sociopaths. What a boring witch too, just
like they She didn't she hit a saddle like I
feel like if you were a witch, you would do
maybe something cooler. Well, Giles was like, you know what, Yeah,
she might be. She might be. And let me tell
(41:47):
you why he turned on his wife so fast, y'all.
He was like, you know what, here's the thing. Some
of our animals got sick, and she was praying, but
like you know, when you pray, like you should be
praying out loud, but she was like silently praying, So
I don't know what she was doing. She was probably
cursing our animals, obviously, And he was like, and she's like,
(42:09):
she like wasn't letting me go to the trials. So
he was like she you know, he was like, she's
a witch, not like a loyal, nice wife who is like, dude,
you're sus so don't go. Yeah, she was trying to
protect him and then he's like he turned on her
and was like, you're a witch. But then on April
(42:30):
eighth of sixteen ninety two, Giles Corey was charged with
witchcraft when Ann Putnam, who was a twelve year old
girl of obviously the Putnam group, clan, family, whatever, claimed
that he made her write some like weirdness or something
in a book. So he's then accused and then he's like, whoa, whoa,
(42:51):
I'm I'm not okay with these trials, like what you know?
What a quinkitting girl about them? A little too late, Giles,
just like Jojo says in that song. Yeah, He's like,
y'all are crazy. I'm not a witch, which is a thing.
I don't know what you're talking about. And so at
the trial, the Putnam's play the copycat game again, but
(43:11):
this time they're doing it in court. So they're like,
are you kidding me? Giles, Like what are you doing
like this? You're going to literally practice witchcraft in court.
So they restrained Giles and they're like, don't be dumb.
But Jaws is like, guys, I'm not a witch. This
is silly, but he knew with his like sketchy past,
like in one of the things that his wife had
(43:32):
like kind of warned him off, I guess, and he
knew like the putnams were kind of like the more
powerful I think than like the porters. So he was like,
all right, I'm kind of screwed. I'm gonna die, so
I may as well die with pride. So he's like,
I'm just not going to speak and I'm going to
refuse to go to trial. Well, at that time, there
was this method to get people to speak, aka torture.
(43:55):
A cool method. It's a great method. Yeah, So what
they did was they stripped Giles down naked in the
middle of town. They laid a boy word on top
of him, and they would slowly put like these stones
on top, slowly increasing the weight until like he would speak.
But Giles was like he knew it, like he was
(44:16):
doomed and he was going to die anyway, so he
did not crack under the pressure. No pun intended, because
I think it was intended. I think you meant to
do that, pun did I got like that real excited,
like childlike face of joy. You know, I put in
my notes. He heat, but he was naked under a
(44:42):
plank with rocks on top of and it was like
eighty or eighty one. Here's my question. I feel what
do you call when little pieces of wood get like
stuck accidentally into your skin? Yeah? In Colombie we call esthidia.
But okay, I feel like his dick got splintered. Oh
I wonder if he had a boner, probably death boner. Well,
(45:04):
because he's so shitty. How you guys ever, consider that
this whole time, we're wrong about the Salem witch Trials,
and maybe we just like read because they had weird
cursive back then. Right, what if it was instead of
the Salem witch Trials, it was just the Salem bitch
Trials and they were just executing people who were bitches
because he seemed like a little bit of a bitch, right,
I mean that's ultimately what it was, I think, because
(45:25):
the Patnam's and the Porters were just accusing each other
of Yeah, witchcraft, Gabby, the quantum leaps that your brain
is making on this episode is astounding. I'm just very creative.
You got some good sleep last night. I got bad
sleep every day. Well that's my two hours, well only
(45:47):
like five, but in a fun and flirty way, just
because I was watching Ted Lasso and I hadn't seen
it yet, so oh I always not pick you for
a Ted Lasso fan. It. I liked it. It's very quaint.
I cried during it. Oh honestly, everyone, Gabby's I think
way more. Um, I think way into cuter things than
(46:08):
one would realize, like into Yeah, I'm a soccer for
toxic positivity. Yeah, yeah, very much, very much. So just
littered with live laugh, love. That's my whole life. I
love how this all started because I said that he
would never crack under pressure anyway. Anyway. Yes, so after
three days of this going down, he says, more weight,
(46:32):
more weight because he's like three days it was two
or three days. Oh no, and he's like more weight,
more weight because he's like, just go ahead and kill me,
because like I know what's going to happen, you know,
just let's just get it over with. So apparently as
he was getting crushed, his little tongue was like squishing
out of his mouth. Oh and the sheriff would like
(46:54):
had a stick and would just like poke it back in.
It'll really humiliating and gross, like just a gross detail.
That is a gross detail. Thank you, you're welcome. But
before his actual before he dies he says, curse you sheriff,
and curse you Salem. So since then his ghost was
(47:17):
has like allegedly been seen in town around like when
things were going awry, Like there were pretty much every
single sheriff died early of some like weird thing, oh
like a weird blood disorders, heart attacks, etc. And there
was like this huge fire um in Salem, which you
(47:37):
know he was seeing around then as well. So like
they think that he's like cursing the town, but it
really wasn't until nineteen ninety one, so not that long ago.
Nika still wasn't born yet, but not that long ago.
It was the sheriff's office moved out of town, and
since then it appears that the curse has been lifted.
(48:01):
So wow, because of the tongue thing, well, no, it
was because he well I mean maybe that's what triggered him. Well,
because it was wait, it was the pressure. It was
the sheriff of the time who did the push the
tongue back in, right, yeah, because he was like, okay,
(48:26):
all right, I'm done. Oh that's nasty, that's yep. Okay, Well,
thank you Taylor for that. Um, you're welcome. You know.
The tongue thinks just really got to me. We'll be
right back. Hi everyone, welcome back. This is an incredibly
(48:48):
in appropriate podcast. Wow. Okay, stop, okay, stop, we're moving on,
moving on. Fabby and I have lost it, literally done.
I'm scared to be haunted. God, please don't. Okay, let
this happen. Okay. So, I yes, extremely disturbing. I usually
loved torture stories, but Taylor, that little cherry on top
of the end was um was enough to make me
(49:10):
rethink being your friend. Okay, So I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
So I thought I was an angel. Well, this is
a little bit of a This is actually for you
because you did such an inappropriate joke. I'm going to
get into my tangent that I think you're going to hate.
I'm mad already. Yeah. So, the ununfortunate one of the
(49:31):
many unfortunate parts about the Ceiling witch trials other than
here know everyone was getting death death, but we don't
really talk about this part is the fact that animals
seem to have been a part of what was going
on there as well. So they have nothing to do
with it. They're innocent little babies. Yeah. Well, yes, so
you know, have you met my cat? He ain't innocent? Yeah, Jimmy.
(49:57):
We love Jimmy though. Um we all know. You know
the concept of familiars, which are basically like little household
pets that serve as witches companions. They're like meant to
be guides and protectors of witches and the witches. You know,
it said that they have very sacred connections with their familiars.
This is like an ancient belief that, yeah, but I
(50:20):
have a connection with my daughter because you're a sacred connection.
Yeah he might, maybe I'm aware. Wow, Okay, everyone with
an animal is a witch the end. Oh okay, okay, yes,
glad we're not in hysteria Salem anymore. So obviously ancient belief,
so everyone kind of like knew it as fact. So
(50:41):
of course the paranoid people from the Salem witch trials
they believed it, and famously they were not very logical
about it either. They both accused animals and also treated
the animals as victims at times, which was a very
interesting way of going about it, like that's not fair,
they can't stand up for themselves. Yeah, well, guilty versus
(51:02):
not guilty in Salem was a very complicated matter, I suppose,
because it just changed by the day, you know. So
there was like one dog in sixteen ninety two in andover,
um who was minding you know, their business, living life whatever,
chewing a bone I don't know, and this girl said, um,
(51:23):
that dog is looking at me weird and it is
trying to bewitch me. I can feel it, and like, listen,
I've stared into a labordoodle's eyes. I know. It's just
it is disturbing, but it's not bewitching. It might be scary,
but it's not like either're not actually trying to be
witch you, you know what I mean. Yeah, but she
like opposite witches because there's just nothing inside of that
(51:48):
and un speakable void. She hasn't complained of labradoodles for
like thirty episodes exactly, so give it to me, thank you.
So she accused the dog of witchcraft with a bitch,
and the villagers shot the dog immediately. No trial, no
trial the dog. No Oh dog court though. Oh I'm upset,
(52:16):
but no, just like what if all the jurors were
dogs and like they had a little lord, like a
little ruffle collar for the lawyers and stuff. Oh dog
court Oh my gosh, is this a TV show We're
about to do? Yes, so the minister. This is the
weirdest thing is if the minister later declared the dog
innocent because he said that if the dog was possessed,
(52:38):
it would have survived the gunshots. That's that works. It's
not um, you can't just like be like, oh, you're
a witch, kill them they die, and then you're like, oh,
I must not have been a witch, like exactly, because
then what's the point, you know, yeah, other than just
wanted to kill people, because like they would have still
stayed alive either way. So that's yeah, their logic was bad.
(53:02):
People were liars back then. That's why people well still
now but yes, yes, oh well but like about really
stupid stuff. Yeah, people live about really stupid stuff now,
so whatever, don't listen to me. Well anyway, so that
was weird logic. And like, for example, another weird thing
is like if pets are local animals they seem like
tired or sickly, they were immediately assumed to have been
(53:24):
ridden by witches at night, so they could go to
their witch meetings in the forest and they would say
that the animals were hag ridden. The night before, so
they just like assumed that their pets were being constantly
used by witches and that's why they were tired or
like sickly. Oh what if we rode our cats? I
would love to ride, or if they got bigger like
(53:45):
the cat bus and tow durell. That's literally my dream.
That is literally my dream in my world. And honestly,
I am so sad that it will probably never happen
and that just like deeply disappoints me about life. I oh,
my gosh, all I do is like watch fantasy shit,
and then I get mad that like I can't be
a fairy living under a mushroom, Like what the heck?
(54:08):
Why you look like a fairy. You'd be a cute fairy.
Thank you. I really appreciate that. I think I'd be
a great fairy. I want to be a gremlin who
lives under a bridge. I'm gonna say, wow, different people,
you're icorn. Oh you're a unicorn. You're a unicorn. You
are I am so happy. Okay, Okay, you're a unicorn
(54:31):
and a treasure. Okay, so you know weird weird shit
like that. Um. Actually, I have a little mini story
about Martha Corey, who was Giles's wife. The girls who
accused the witches during these trials, basically they would say
that they sometimes, they would say against the witches, they
would say that they saw visions of the witches with
(54:53):
very specific animals like dogs or dogs or um in
this specific case um yellow birds for some reason. So,
like they say, one of the girls who accused Martha
core they say that they saw Martha Corey with yellow
birds on top of her head and suckling on her fingers,
and that in like the fits that they would have,
(55:14):
they would see yellow birds. So of course I guess
because they saw that and they related it to Martha,
that meant that Martha was guilty. Yeah, obviously, Okay. Also,
another interesting fact that I did find about the Salem
witch trials is that another way that they would try
to figure out if someone was a witch or not
is like by checking their body for plumishes or like
(55:35):
weirdness on their bodies, because to them, that was like,
I think a way that evil would come in was
like via blemishes, which I'm like, bro, that sucks, Like
I got all kinds of evil in me? Yeah, I
got lots of I mean, I can't imagine their skin
care was that great. Back then, they didn't have like
seravi hydrating, moisturized or you know what I mean. Also
(55:56):
another thing is if they had so funny third nipples
were considered like the devil's nipple. Basically, anyone who had it,
the people immediately assumed that their familiars would suckle on it,
and that's where they would get their evil, devilish strength.
And also that like the devil himself would like suckle
on the third nipple, and therefore it was a sign
(56:18):
that that person was a witch that had a lot
of third nipples back then common phenomenon. Yeah, I think
it's more common than we think. I oh, yeah, I'm
sure it is. But anyway, so I just I found
that interesting. So things like suckling, we're we're also considering
kind of witchy. So of course this girl saying that
yellowbird is suckling on your on your on your hand
(56:39):
in my vision, you must be a witch. I think
if you have the vision though you're a witch, you
would think right, And whenever they would talk about the visions,
this is what they called spectral evidence. So like instead
of like her word against you know, whoever is, they
basically saw this as supernatural evidence according to the victim,
(57:00):
which is pretty terrible because it makes no sense because
there's that's not evidence. There's no way that you can
prove that, you know what I mean. Anyway, Twenty people
and two dogs were executed for witchcraft during the time
of the Salem witch Trials, which is horrible and bananas
and you know, all cursed in how they are and
how for my gosh, Taylor, I mean the people, not
(57:23):
the dogs. The dogs are in heaven, yes they are,
so you know, sad little story to end this wonderful podcast.
Thank you so much for listening to this, you know,
fun and flirty episode. We will see you next week.
(57:52):
Cadavergals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.
It is hosted, produced, mixed, researched, etc. By Gabby Watts
and Taylor Church. You can follow us on Instagram and
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