Pica and an MRI

Nikka brags about how she watches movies and talks about the psychological disorder behind the movie "Swallow," and Taylor explains how an MRI works and how one machine led to a man's tragic demise.

Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
School of Humans. Wow, look at this, it's another episode
of Cadaver Gals. We were already chit chatting before the
show started, so you know we're gonna be chit and chatting,
chitting and chatting that what is disgusting? I don't know,
and I don't want to talk about that. Okay, too
close to the S word anything I say. You're just like,

(00:29):
I'm triggered. I can't do no. What a fucking bitch, Cabby.
Oh my god, this is Cadaver Gals, and we're already
off track to a wonderful start. And this is a
show where we talk about ways people have died throughout
history to cope with our own mortality. And it does
not work. As we have seen, we are all more
broken than we were before. So here we are. Um. Yeah,

(00:50):
upon reflection, I am doing worse. I'm scared of a lot.
I started the Yeah. Um well, I'm Gabby along with
Nika Hello and Taylor Hey, and together we are the
powder Puff Girls. And it's power actually seeing powder And
I was re listening to the episode and I was like, wow,

(01:11):
we sound dumb, Well we are dumb. Is it power? Okay,
it's Powerpuff, It's well, i'll have to redo the episode,
We'll to cancel it. Okay, that's fine, all right, I'm gabby,
I'm stupid. But Nika and Taylor are going to tell
us smart things today. We're gonna do Nika's gonna tell
us a story about arc. She's gonna tell us about pica,

(01:32):
which if you don't know what it is, well you're
gonna find out. How exciting. And then Taylor is gonna
tell us about it's gonna fear monger about MRI machines.
So that's what the show is today. Some trigger warnings
is choking, mental illness, stuff in your lungs, claustrophobia, lead poisoning,
and death. So it's gonna be a fun ass show

(01:56):
or not. And I will continue to mispronounce words and
it will be fun and flirty. And here's the music,
brown browm blown Nica. I like how you have something

(02:20):
that rhymes with your name today. That's very exciting. Pa
Oh wait, I actually not many things round with my name,
so that actually I love that too bad it is
a terrible illness. But Zica, oh my god, wow, wow
of disease. Thanks for that. No, I appreciate that A
ton you're just a disease. What the hell? Whats hellened? Like?

(02:46):
I literally logged on and started getting bullied. Um, that's rude, okay,
each other, That's that's the fun of us. Can avergus
as we bully each other. I'm gonna physically fight you
the next time I see you. Also still have to
give you your horse stock gifts anyway, So okay, wow, okay,
Well it does rhyme with my name. I'm feeling very

(03:07):
brave today because this subject honestly scares me and it
makes me feel genuinely sick. And no, Pika has nothing
to do with Pokemon. I shouldn't have even said that
or made that joke because it is not cute or
fun or any kind of exciting. Really, it's just pretty bad.
So I watched. But that is something else that rhymes
with your name is Pika chew. That is true, Nika ah,

(03:33):
that's cute, and your nails kind of look Nika jewish
and then you're just like Nika Nika, tie me up,
make me your slave anyway. Um, So I watched the
movie Swallow a couple of months ago. I don't know
if you guys have seen it. It's a pretty underground movie.
I'm kidding, TikTok No, it's not. That's the only movies

(03:54):
I watch. Okay, that's fair and also probably true, Gabby. Um, So,
if you don't know what this movie is about, it
basically follows this woman who is recently married and her
husband comes from a very rich family, and she starts
kind of, um, there's no nice way of putting this,
swallowing and collecting inedible objects out of stress and anxiety.

(04:17):
So she like there will be like a pin, and
she'll like look at it and kind of have it
in her hands and then put it in her mouth
and taste it and then swallow it and then take
it out on the other side and start collecting them
in a little like glass container. Well but wait, so
then you said that she was collecting, So she was
collecting it after she has swallowed it, and she was like, okay,

(04:40):
this is something that went through my system. Yes, yes, yes,
And also like, like I think her first one was
a marble, and then I think there were also like
ear rings, and there were other weird objects, and obviously
there was a lot of blood involved. And eventually she
has like she's like committed to like a psychiatric facility,
all that good stuff, etc. But I so I watched

(05:04):
this movie and I was like, this is very disturbing,
and this kind of impulse is actually real. It's called pica,
as we've been talking about, and it's basically a disorder
that usually affects weirdly pregnant women, children, and people with
mental illness. So it can range like it there's no
kind of age limit or difference. It can start and toddlers,

(05:28):
or it can go up to like you know, elderly people. Well,
toddlers eat anything anyway, that's true, but then some toddlers
like don't grow out of that, and then that's it.
Wasn't like with pregnant women. It's like sometimes you'll have
weird cravings and you also have like an iron deficiency.
Yes or something good, gabby on your outline? If not,

(05:48):
you can say it. If not because I thought, no,
I mean, I appreciate that you share that it is
on my outline. You a little spiteful, but no, it's fine.
I'm not gonna say it. You tell us, tell us no, no, no,
don't delete it. Don't let it because it shows you're smart,
you are not dumb. You are very smart and loved. Okay,
so loved Okay, Okay, I said, okay, I am self

(06:11):
conscious about the powder Puff thing now because what I'm
saying is powder Puff Girls. It is what we're gonna
be called, because you know what we are, the cocaine
we I don't think any of us do cocaine, but
it's powder Puff. That would be the adult power Puff
series that I would make. That is such a great
safe guy. Also, Gabby, I talk about Gus all the time,

(06:32):
and he is a Chinese crust. Think that a better
iteration of that? So oh yeah, okay, we're all different. Okay,
I'm gonna stop being self conscious about my inability to
remember titles of things. So yes, Nika, what's I'm so
interested in pica not thinking about myself? Thank you, thank you?
Think okay? Well wow um okay. Anyway, Yes, sont mentally

(06:56):
ill people, pregnant women and um children naturally. And it's
really hard to pin down exactly what causes PECA because
it can be anything from mental illness as we've talked about,
to a coping mechanism, to a lack of nutrients like
for example, pregnant women crave ice or dirt. Sometimes because
of iron deficiency. It also tends to be on the

(07:19):
OCD and autism spectrum, and there has been a connection
between PICA and Celiac disease, though it's still kind of
being researched. It's important to know that, like, that is
something that's happening, because a lot of patients who struggle
with this kind of get told by their doctors it's
mental illness, like you have to figure it out. And
then there have recently been some breakthrough studies and patients

(07:40):
who have gone to multiple doctors and then some of
them are like, wait, you might have this, you know,
chronic illness. That is why your body is craving these
like specific things or whether it's like nails or ice
or dirt or paint or whatever. It's just it's important
to know that that's happening because a lot of people
feel like there's no way out, but there might be

(08:02):
also interesting, Pica actually comes from the Latin name for magpie,
which I thought was cute, and since that kind of
bird collects things and eats just about anything, which I
found fun. Wow, so cute. Okay. Anyway, so in order
to be diagnosed with pica, the ingesting must occur for

(08:23):
more than one month at an age where it's considered
develop mentally inappropriate to eat whatever that person is eating. Like,
as Taylor said, toddler's like to put things in the mouth.
So if a toddler, you know, doesn't necessarily have pica
because it puts a toy truck in its mouth, like whatever,
that's normal. But if a twenty five year old swallows
a toy truck, different scenario, different different situation at that point,

(08:48):
and y'all, what people put in their bodies is I
don't know what the adjective should be, because it's not
it's not good, it's not amazing, but it is fascinating
and it's really scary. Like this thirty nine year old
man had to be operated on because he had ingested
fifty paper clips, fifty screws, eight batteries, seven razor blades,

(09:13):
coup in paper. He had been admitted to the hospital
over twenty times because of past peka ingestions, and he
had a multitude of mental illnesses including PTSD, borderline personality disorder,
and anxiety. And it seems like his most recent hospitalization
had been because his antidepressants had run out, and kind
of like made his brain goal kind of wire. You basically,

(09:34):
never let your antidepressants run out. It's bad news. There's
like experience, do not let your gusto is understandable. Yeah,
And then I also reade about another case in India
where a man swallowed two hundred and sixty three coins,

(09:54):
one hundred and fifty long iron nails, quilting needles, and
other miscellaneous objects. It's confusing because it's like it's almost
it's like, okay, so like self harm is a thing,
right and in depression and whatever, like that's a thing
that exists. I mean this is kind of that in

(10:14):
a different way, but like, yep, it's basically it's not
sharp sagrized as self harm. Yea, interesting, Yeah, it's not.
And like many of PIKA patients, they're asked like if
it was with suicidal intent or anything like that, but
they're they're like, no, it's just this craving like I
cannot control it is basically what they're saying. And in

(10:36):
that Indian man, they removed fifteen pounds of random stuff,
fifteen pounds of like metals and stuff just like floating
around you in your stomach. I oh no, no, no, no,
not at all. No, And I also read about oh
my gosh, this is so sad. It can be really
bad for some people. And I read about this woman
who basically had to be kept in a psychiatric ward

(11:00):
where there was like nothing around her, very much like
like a don't know how to explain, like a bubble
that she was in basically or like one of those
soft padded rooms that have nothing. And she had to
be naked because anything, you know, she would eat clothing
like her food had to be given through a little
hole through in the in the wall, and with no silverware,

(11:23):
no plate, no spoons, like nothing, just food basically objects
no objects. It's crazy. It's a really really difficult disease
to try to control and try to help help people with.
Basically you have no way to like entertain yourself. Yeah,
I mean that too. I feel bad for her. She
must have been bored and also incredibly mentally ill. Um yeah,

(11:47):
anyway that she can't like fulfill. I don't know that
sounds this just sounds miserable. It does sound miserable. I
cannot even imagine what it's like. It's terrible. I mean,
people would Pika have also reported eating paint off of walls,
which can sometimes contain lead and it's super dangerous, or
chewing on freshly washed towels because of the scent and

(12:08):
taste of the laundry detergent. They also eat specific kinds
of soap, dirt, and paper. I read about one person
who obsesses over and I kind of get this, obsesses
over animated characters and then will draw them either like
via like a little drawing thing on the computer, or
physically printed out if they have to print it out

(12:29):
of the computer, and then eat the paper that the
animated character is like printed on, which that's interesting, is fascinating.
It's a lot, It's a lot, and I have a
lot of empathy for people going through this because I
cannot imagine how hard it must be to have these
like life endangering cravings and not know how to fix
or cure or control it, obviously, and of course because

(12:52):
this is cadaver gals and this is obviously a dangerous disorder.
There have been many deaths because of PICA, many tragic
ones from the ones that I research, which I'm not
going to mention on here, but I will wind that
was not least tragic. They're all tragic, but this one
at least wasn't a child or someone with severe mental
illness or all that sort of stuff. So there was one.

(13:15):
He was a forty four year old man. He was
a construction worker, and his intestines were perforated by metal bolts.
Seems like he swallowed sixty four metal bolts at once
and this just overwhelmed his system, obviously, and he had
a history of eating and swallowing things that around the
construction site that you know he shouldn't have, and so finally,

(13:35):
after sixty four bolts, he sadly passed away. So yeah,
there are many many tragic stories like that, especially from people,
as I said, living in psychiatric facilities. It's really hard.
I actually wrote a testimony from this nurse who explained
like just how difficult it can be for people who
have intense PEAKA because they have to check their patients constantly,

(13:57):
and sometimes they even have to go with them to
the bathroom because patients will eat anything like socks, toilet paper,
even their own own feces, which is really intense. Basically
anything that is inedible. It's like they have a craving
for if it gets to like the far far far
at spectrum of worse cases. There's also cases that are
not terrible. People who eat ice and just have like

(14:20):
a craving for ice. Or my mom was like that,
oh wait really and then turns out she had an
iron deficiency. Makes sense. Yeah, Also eating ice is very common,
especially we live in at Lens. It's very common in
the South. Like the Zack Spies ice, people just be crushed. Yeah,
that stuff is good. I like I like the like

(14:41):
smaller like square not cube, but like they're like kind
of square and they're like small. I really like. Oh yeah,
and they have like the little hole on the top
like those ones. Kind oh, I like the whole ones,
but I like the whole ones. Yeah, the Zack Speis
ones are the best. I think that's called nugget ice
or something good. I have a duet ice machine at

(15:04):
my house. You guys, what I didn't I have been
holding Well, there's been a pandemic. My basement has flooded.
That's why that's fair, Like, give me a break. Some
like it's it doesn't have to be life endangering. You know,

(15:25):
some people live their lives and they're totally fine with it. Also,
it can usually people who are living and you know,
maybe take antidepressants and live with pica and stuff. Um,
the very bad cases are usually when they feel triggered
by stress, and then they'll go back to like more
dangerous eating habits. Um. So like someone can have like

(15:46):
no incidents for six months a year and then maybe
go through the stressful time in their lives and just
go back to swallowing you know, things that will eventually
triggered exactly, yeah, exactly. And I write about this one
guy really sad. His like wife had it since she
was like thirteen, and um, she had been living with
it for a while, and then they just went through

(16:07):
a really stressful situation and she hadn't had a kind
of outburst or Pekau situation in a while, but then
they went through a stressful time and he basically came
home to find her unconscious and dead because she had
swallowed too many, too many bad things for her body.
So it's a really tragic disease and not good at all,

(16:31):
and I'm just pretty horrified by it, to be honest.
I also found a doctor on Reddit who mentioned that
they had a patient who swallowed fifteen WA batteries, a
Christmas light, and a light bulb, which the doctor actually
couldn't surgically remove and so it was found two days
later discarded the other way, which is interesting. Also, like

(16:52):
I don't know how he swallowed a light bulb and
it didn't get crushed because like it came out whole.
I don't. I'm like, how wow, I'm having a heart
this one. No me too. I know. Thank you so
much for the coressition about pica. It was riveting and fascinating,
and um, I also feel a lot of compassion for
people going through this so important to know it is treatable.

(17:15):
So just saying so great, thank you. We will be
right back with other information related to this topic in
a bag and loose sort of way. While we're back
with cadaver gals with we are all the gals and
we're galon around gal Palin gals. So I'm gonna be

(17:38):
talking about bez o Wars, which you might have seen
them in Harry Potter. They I think they's a beezor
in Harry Potter. I can't really remember. British people. They're
different than say, they say things weird. Also they're magic
British people, so it's different. They don't no bears bezoar

(18:00):
so it's a bezoar. Okay, So a bezoar is a
cluster of hair from animals that this is coming from animals,
from animals ingesting hair and then the clump of hair
sort of gets caught and you know, a masses and
then it's just like in the digestive system and just

(18:20):
hanging out and it usually like through years or months
or being inside of the animal, it becomes like a
stone type thing. Okay, isn't the same as hairballs. Yeah,
so it's basically well, I don't know if it's exactly
the same thing as like what cats have. It might be, um,
I don't think fends of wars that are formed. Yeah,
but yeah. One form of like pika or like a

(18:41):
Peka related illness is trick trick a trillomania, which is
sort of like the impulse to eat your own hair.
So some people have that specifically just with their hair,
and they could be you know, the hair in your
head or your eyebrows or your eyelashes or you know,
other body hair. And then there's also like trick a
trick aphasia, which is in the impulse to like actually, um, well,

(19:03):
trigatillomania is the impus to pull it out and then
trigger phasia is to like actually ingest it so then
you can get kind of like a hairball in your stomach.
And there is one, you know, sixteen sixteen year old
girl who there's like a kind of a study on
her because she had like a huge ball of hair
that they had to remove from her intestines. But bezoars,
this is happening in animals, and bez wars have like

(19:25):
a really interesting medical history because people were thinking they
were like magical, all encompassing antidotes. You know, it was
like the ib profin of the Middle Ages or something.
So okay, oh my gosh, I mean I'm not surprised
because like they also used to believe that a hangman's

(19:46):
hand would cure you know, diseases if they just like
rubbed it the right way. So yeah, special people, time,
what a time? Time? Yeah. So basically, yeah, like this
was usually happening like goats or like cows, horses, you
know sometimes of like these animals who would just ingest
their own hair by accident and just other hair and
they would just like the hair would get stuck and

(20:07):
turn into the stone that was caught inside the animal
and then what would happen after like animals were processed,
people would then go through specifically the Intestine sort of
area digestive system to see if they could find a
bezoar because they are actually very valuable. They're very expensive
and very high in demand. So that was kind of
like I think it's interesting thinking of the Middle Ages

(20:27):
of like, and this was happening, and like from India
to Europe, you know, people looking for the bezoar, trying
to find one, and kings and queens were really obsessed
with them because they were thinking that a bezoar was
like a universal poison antidote, and you know, being a
high profile king or queen, they're like, people are always
trying to poison me, which like I understand that, you know,

(20:48):
as a high profile person, people be trying to poison you.
And so people would have like they would have bezoars.
It would be like you would take you would eat
like a small piece of it for like the antidote.
But people would also wear them in like jewelry because
they'd also just had good vibes, you know, so it
would just like protect you. I don't think that is sanitary, Yeah,

(21:10):
I mean it was, Yeah, I mean, it is like
a clump of hair inside of a goat's intestine intestine,
you know, it'd be like that. And what color are
they usually? Uh, like they have they kind of look
like rocks basically, so it's kind of like gonna have
like a gray brown one. Um there's also one that
I saw that it was kind of like green, and oh,

(21:32):
I oh, I see, I found it. That's interesting. But
they're not They are hard relatively, they are hard. But
then there's also I saw this other one. Um on
Atlas Obscure, they had a little thing about bezoars, and
it was it looked more like hair, but it's like hard,
So it looks like just like a hairball and it's
but it's hard. Why was it in Harry Potter? That

(21:55):
was exactly what I was going to say. Were talking
about that, Ah, yeah, well it was because it was
the potion. I think it's like in what is it,
like the sixth movie or something, they're talking about how
it's like a universal cure to poison. So that then
that's like a real thing and you know history that
people were using, you know, they were using, not that
it worked, but so that's why I guess it's kind

(22:17):
of even though JK. Rowling's a dumb dumb you know,
I guess that was like an historical thing. She looked
down was like, ah, magic, that is just I'm just
like I look through pictures and like they are engraved
in gold and they have like little gold scepters and
they come in like rings and ah what wh heck
you guys. Yeah, because it was like, yeah, it was

(22:38):
like an antidote for poison, but then it was also yeah,
it was like if you wore it, it was supposed
to be like a protection in some sort of way.
You know. I think it's it's just like weird crystals. Yeah,
I mean, crystals aren't real. I mean whatever, I'm not
going to insult crystal people on here, because you know,
there's so many of them people. I can't protect myself.
I'm not. You know. It's kind of like a similar

(22:59):
like kind of a like a crystal but from the
goat's belly, you know, but I mean, doesn't get more
natural crystal goat crystal. Oh my god. We should sell those, um,
you know, as part of our merchandise as well. We
have so many good merch ideas that we'll never do.
But yeah, oh I saw this. I was just gonna

(23:19):
say this crystal related. I saw this girl on TikTok
who recently found out that all of her crystals were plastic.
Oh and she had been like rituals and stuff with
them and was like, sobbing on TikTok, So sad, make
sure your crystals as well. They were saying. Also at
the time bezo wars, there was an estimate kind of

(23:40):
like in the sixteenth century where they're saying that nine
out of ten of every bezo wars that were on
sale in the markets were fake. Yeah, so there was
a big fake bezoar market because there was because it
was like, of every like hundred animals slaughtered, you would
probably only find like one or two bezoar. So they
were pretty rare, you know. But at the time there

(24:01):
were people who were like, this seems fake. You know,
even back in the day, they were saying, this seems sus.
This is sus this bezoar, I don't know if it
actually works. There was a dude in fifteen sixty seven.
He was a barber surgeon, which I know this isn't
what they do, but I just always love the term
barber surgeon. Because I love thinking of like a surgeon

(24:22):
who would, like, you know, do surgery on you and
then also cut your hair. Like I just that's how
I like to think about. That sounds like your ideal
job if you were in the medieval times, Gabby, Yeah,
just be like, well, I would want to be like
a court jester actually, but second barber surgeon would be fun.
But he was in the court of King Charles in

(24:42):
France in fifteen sixty seven. His name was Ambois Pare,
and he was looking at the bes of wars and
King Charles had a bunch of them, and he was
just like, bro, I don't know if these are like
for sure, like you know, I don't know if these
are actually protecting anybody. And then he was in the
royal court. In one day Pares cook was accused of

(25:04):
stealing some of his silverware, okay, and so then the king,
because you know, heaven forbids stealing some silverware. This guy
was sentenced to death by the king. Obviously, he was
sentenced to be hanged. And but Pare was like, well,
doesn't this look like a great opportunity to test out
this bezi war experiment. Here's a guy who's already contemned

(25:26):
to die. So he went up to the king and
he's like, bro, could I actually just have him to
do an experiment on because he's going to be killed anyway,
so can I poison him and then give him a
bezi war to see if the bezi war actually works?
And then King Charles he's like, oh, yeah, definitely use
this man as an experiment. You know, isn't that believe
science rather than need to actually test their theory instead

(25:50):
of just like making shit up for frenzies, right yeah, um,
And I just think that's really sweet where you're like, yeah,
this guy's already gonna die, so let's make his death
even more horrific. Why not? And in some accounts they
said like if he had if he would survive the poisoning,
then he would be allowed to live. Other ones where like, ah,
he was still gonna be killed either way, anyway about it.

(26:13):
But what happened was so he took the dude pare
administered the poison, and then immediately afterwards he administered the bezoar,
and then seven hours later the guy died in excruciating
pain from being poisoned. So it did not work. She
did not work. Shocker. That's what we do on this podcast, debunking.

(26:34):
You know, everyone knows about bezo wars and now we're
debunking it. That's actually a good Yeah, that's a good
podcast of like just all of these like random you know, medieval,
weird random things that mean people busters. Yes, MythBusters, but
specifically two myths that I've already been busted. Yeah. No,

(26:55):
I'm not saying we just tell them. Yeah. So yeah.
But then the thing is, the demand for bezoars did
not really decrease after that. I'm and they also didn't
have the you know TikTok where someone wasn't like crying
on TikTok being like my bezi war is fake or
you know, it didn't work. I poisoned my friend and
he didn't you know whatever. So bezi wars, we don't

(27:19):
use them like I don't. I don't personally have a bezoar.
You know. Have I ever told you about my confidence rock? Yes? No,
I have a rock. Well, it's a crystal and it's
supposed to instill confidence in y'all. How upset I was
when I realized I didn't bring my confidence rock um
to that shoot. A couple of weeks ago. Oh, rookie mistake, Taylor.

(27:42):
I bring kimchi everywhere, my kimchie stone. It's a little
cat sea in a stone. Yeah. I bring my goat
hairball everywhere with me. Well, Taylor, um, how about you
take a hand, take a handle of your confidence rock
and you take that into this story about MRIs and death? Yes,

(28:04):
fear make us a phrase? Okay, great? So um yeah,
how well you know, if there's a bezoar inside somebody,
you you give them an MRI. I guess is an
MRI what they do to pregnant women. No. No, as
a matter of fact, they don't recommend you do this
to part like, oh you know that. I mean you can,
it's fine, but like, you know, just just don't. Well

(28:26):
because that happened to me recently and I was like, wait,
is this cembarga no getting that thing that pregnant women
do ultrasound stuff? Yes, you got an ultrasound? I did, yeah,
because I wanted to check if my ID was like
in place and normal. So they just ultrasounded it. Ultrasounded
they actually found a bezoar. I'm kidding. I had them look,

(28:49):
oh really like open it up, crank under the hood,
Well that's not where they put it. But you know, okay,
So I've never had an MRI. I probably don't want
one because I mean, unless I have to, I guess,
you know, because they seem very scary claustrophobic. I feel
like I have a little hint of claustrophobia. But they're

(29:10):
they're pretty safe. That's the coffin like structure, right, yes, yes, oh,
I know you're talking about. And so they can take
between like thirty minutes to like ninety minutes, like can
you imagine, because you have to be completely still, but
they do. I couldn't do that when I'm too still.
Sometimes I get that itchy sensation. Do you guys get
that or you're just like hey and then you just

(29:32):
like itch everywhere. I'm squirming though, so I can't. I
just am too squirre me. But they do have somebody
there that like kind of talks you through it and
like makes you feel I mean, that's their job is
Like you know, so can you fall asleep? I don't.
I mean, I guess it depends on what it is
that they're doing, Like they're looking at your brain, brone,

(29:53):
If they're looking at your brain and like you need
your brain needs to be like, you know, doing something
I don't know anyway. True, you sounded like a British
person when you said, Bron, we're getting into territory that
I would nut study up on. So they can play
music and shit and MRIs and so they could play
the Cadaver Cows podcast for unile listen to. I do

(30:16):
not want to know what a braind looks like. Listen
to this podcast anyway. So I'm not smart enough to
really explain how an MRI works, but I understand the
gist now. I'm basically an MRI is a magnetic resonance
imaging machine. UM so it's basically a giant, superpowerful magnet.
And as we know, or maybe we don't know, but

(30:38):
our bodies are largely made up of water aka H
two O aka hydrogen and oxygen. So in hydrogen atoms,
you have these protons. Protons react to magnetic fields, and
then there are these radio waves that are then transmitted
from the magnet or whatever and react to the proton.
The protons then react and then um you know, through

(31:00):
the radio waves that they send and then they disperse
the protons and and they move back to a place,
and then they like send back more information or something
like we have protons, protons live within ours heard. Wow, cool, Sonia,
you're filled with protons. Yeah, Taylor, that was I definitely

(31:22):
got lost towards the end of how you're explaining it.
But at first I was really getting it, and you
said you weren't smart enough to explain. But that feels
like you explained it pretty well. Okay, well yeah, but
I mean, let's ask a doctor how I did. But
oh yeah, Basically, the magnet aligns your protons, okay, and
so they're like like lined up facing towards the magnet.

(31:44):
I hear you. And then radio waves are then like
sent through and they disperse the protons. Ooh, and then
and then they get lined back up and then that
somehow sends some sort of information. How do you know?
But what information does it send? Like whether you're sick
or not, or like it just sends like the image
it sends a whisper from God exactly. That's where I

(32:08):
start to get lost. So anyway, that's the that's the gist.
Things are happening. There's protons, there's magnets, there's radio waves,
there's imaging. Things are happening anyway. That's as far as
I can get. Things are happening in an MRI. I
like that. That's a good summer, thank you. And um, So,
basically you need a very strong magnet for the protons

(32:31):
to react, because protons they're really small, you know, And
so an MRI machine is fifteen hundred times stronger than
like your average fridge magnet, which is like you know,
I would hope so oh well yeah, But my point
is is that basically you come within you know, however
many feet, like any kind of metal object becomes essentially

(32:53):
a weapon because the magnet pulls whatever the metal with
such force so quickly that like any metal thing just
goes flying through the air and would like essentially fly
straight through your body. But if you have like a
metal head, you can't get an MRI. Oh that means
I can't maybe because I have two titanium screws in
my hips. What I didn't know that? Okay, astro boy, Yeah,

(33:17):
I'm very powerful hips. How do we not know this
about you yet? Well, I probably told you, but you forgot.
I just had surgery when I was ten and eleven
from my bad hips. I'm like an old lady. That
is familar. You have an MRI and if you have
like a pacemaker things like that, like you just you
can't have any what about like ear rings and stuff?

(33:39):
Obviously have to take them off before you get take
them all off. No phones, no credit cards, like, no piercings, nothing.
You have to be and a completely like approved MRI stuff.
There's some acrylic nails that I really want that have
a built in magnet inside of them to hold a
magnetic pom pom um. I obviously couldn't wear that to

(33:59):
an MRI because it would react badly. No, but it
would be an interesting thing like you had to get
like an emergency MRI just be like, wait, do you
have to take off my nails? I mean honestly, truly,
they would have to rip it off because it has
a minda inside of it. I love the visual of
ripping nails off. Rose. Oh oh we'll get We'll get there.

(34:19):
So anyway, so I feel like you probably see where
this is going. Yeah, someone had some metal, so there
was metal. So in early twenty eighteen in India, a
sixty five year old woman found herself at the hospital
not sure why, but she needed an MRI and so
she had some family members there to support her. Um

(34:40):
so the doctors were going to they had to move
her to this like special MRI gurney because it can't
have any metal on it, you know, to then bring
it into the MRI room. And basically there are four
room levels to like to like an MRI area. So
obviously the closer you get to the machine, the more restrictions.
Level four is essentially the machine. So they're in level three,

(35:04):
moving in to level four. So moving into the machine room,
when one of the patient's family members Maru I hope
I'm pronouncing that somewhat correct, was holding an oxygen tank
like from the top. The junior technician was like, hey,
the patient's going to need some oxygen during the MRI.
Don't you worry. The machine is off, go right on
in there. So like his fingers were like grasping on

(35:27):
the top of this right of the oxygen tank. And
what else is a fun fact about oxygen tanks. They're
made of metal. There are some that are safe for
an MRI machine, but this was not one of those.
So door opens, Maru flies through the air straight to
the MRI machine. His arm gets trapped between the tank

(35:48):
and the MRI machine. So disaster right. The oxygen tank
bus leaking liquid oxygen, which Maru then breathe in, which
is very bad news. So the medical team is trying
to break them free. They do the emergency shut off
and they sever his fingers in the process. Oh god,

(36:09):
so to shut all this seems so it was on.
They just didn't. It's always on. It's always so that
was just there and there where we'll get there. But
there were like signs everywhere that's like the machine is
always on. It's always working, like whether it's running or not,
whether they're running an image or not, the magnet is
still a magnet and still working. So if you need

(36:32):
to shut off the magnet, it has to be basically
it has to be like a life or death situation
because it's a not very safe be the machine will
be out of commission for weeks and see it costs
a lot of money. But if you need to, if
the magnetic field needs to be shut down, they do
what it's called a magnet quench, which is like the

(36:52):
rapid boil off of a cry jet, and fluid aka
gas is ventilated from the magnet into the room, which
is one really loud and can cause hearing damages. Be like,
it's reducing the level of oxygen in the room, so
that's also dangerous. And see it's super cold, so cold
in fact that you could get frostbite. So my gosh.

(37:14):
So it has to be a very like hey, if
we don't shut this machine off, somebody's dying. That's that's
the only way you can do this. So back to Maru.
He they like they do them, you know, they push
the button and as they're like trying to break him
free from this, right, and that's when they sever his fingers.

(37:35):
He then goes to the er, but it's too late.
He dies. So they're like, okay, what actually happened here? Right,
because like magnets in theory, like magnets are okay, like
you can be around the magnet. Obviously it's the metal
that like was trapping him and in the disaster that

(37:56):
was going on. But um, they're like, hey, we need
to do an autopsy. The family's like, um not at
this hospital, we're not because absolutely extremely incompetent. So he
gets the autopsy and what happened was it is the
oxygen tank broke. Liquid oxygen was then inhaled quickly and

(38:16):
he suffers something called new mothorax I think, which is
basically when gas fills the space between your lungs and
your chest, which the family said he blew up kind
of like a balloon until that pressure then collapses your lungs.
So that is what happened. His lungs collapsed from the

(38:37):
release of the liquid oxygen. That is so disturbing. So yes,
rule of thumb machine is always on, even when it's
not in use. There were signs of that everywhere. The
junior technician assured them that it was that was okay,
But basically what happened. Two hospital workers were arrested for
negligence resulting in death, and the family was awarded money.

(39:01):
Not sure how much, but because I saw like various
different things, but in every instance it was like definitely
not enough money because that should never happen. I mean,
there have been other instances where there have been other deaths,
and it's often because of an oxygen tank. Well often
there was like one other instance, but there weren't so

(39:22):
many instances in general because people know that it's super
super strong magnets and know that they shouldn't do that.
But but yeah, it's usually when there is there is
something that happens, you know, because of an MRI. It's
because of like burns and things like that, because like
you can't be having you can't have like any kind
of like you. I mean, you just can't have anything
on your body or it can react and like cause

(39:43):
like burns and stuff. So there you go. Now I
know a lot about MRI machines and the dangers, and
now you do too. Woo yeay. It seems that it
happens very rarely, so it's super rare people like I mean,

(40:03):
it's the magnet is so strong that like there is
a particular they have a person that like you have
to go through this questionnaire, you are completely like stripped
of anything that could potentially, you know, be dangerous. Um.
I wonder because I have like a permanent retainer, Like
they have to take that out or I wouldn't be
able to do one. You know, I didn't know you

(40:25):
had a permanent retainer. Yes, girl, we're learning so much
about I have nothing to share. What metal do you have?
A Unica? None? I don't maybe filling nails like Nica's
got nails. I've got a retainer and Gabby's got titania
titaniumits yes. Okay, wow, Taylor, this was really sad, And

(40:54):
we're gonna talk a little bit more about MRI's but
it's gonna be dumb, so well, good change. Welcome back
to cadaver Gals, and we are gonna wrap this one
up with some silly information about MRI and their various uses. Yes,

(41:18):
MRI's really good when you need to look at your
whole by see what's up and there. You know, we've
all seen Gray's anatomy. We know what happens. You know,
Derek looks at the brain tumors that are there. And
I don't know if they've had a problem with him
RI machines un Gray's anatomy, but I haven't watched the
whole thing, you know, so in the house, yeah, in
house when he's like he smells there and he's like, yes,

(41:39):
the patient has cancer. That's how it works. Yeah, um,
that's how science works anyway. But MRIs people have used
them for you know, a variety of things. For example, Nika,
you'll love this. There was a you know, sometimes people
will because they wanted to know what your butt looks
like when you poop. And so they poop MRIs. You know,

(42:02):
they have boys just to see what kind of happens
with your dumb and stuff. There's also been you know,
I would like to sorry, Gabby, I would like to
just imagine like the hey, who wants to poop in
an MRI machine conversation? Hey, let's imagine it. I think
it's usually people who have issues that they're doing it with,
but I didn't look at that as much. Um. There's

(42:22):
also been times where there's a really fun video of
like a guy singing opera and just kind of like
looking at you know, what your body's doing to produce
the sounds, and like, your tongue looks crazy town, Like
it's really like the tongue part of our tongue that
we think, you know, because you think it's like a
little you know, goes out like but it's really just

(42:42):
a big fat thing that's there, and then your little
tongue part that you actually see is like so small.
So sorry, anyway, tongues are crazy. But anyway, so they
have done stuff like that, people singing, uh, you know,
getting images of that. But what I'm obviously talking about
is the time that they've put people in MRI machines

(43:04):
and made them have sex. Wow, because why why would
they They were just like for funzies, because because people
are ridiculous, or because just for fun. Yeah nothing scientific.
Well no, they said, there was this one experiment that
happened in nineteen ninety nine. This was in the Netherlands.
They did this experience because their first goal was to

(43:25):
be like, can we actually do this? Can we actually
capture people having sex on an MRI machine? So that
was their first goal. But then they also wanted to
like disprove or prove certain myths about like female sexuality
and like genitalia that like I think it's like kind
of similar. There hasn't been sexuality in itself hasn't been

(43:45):
studied that much, but in particular female anatomy and like
how it works. So they kind of wanted to like
disprove certain myths or see if scientifically there was like
an actual thing happening. Like I think they're trying to
how does a woman work? Yeah, what what happens? The
problem though, is that they got like eight couples and

(44:06):
they were just doing it in the missionary position, which
you know sometimes that doesn't do it for people all
the time, you know. But basically they just had like
the woman led laid down on like there's like an
X and be like put your pelvis here, and then
the dude would go on top. With these like eight
different couples, they would also then have the woman. They
would make the dude go away, and they would have
the woman just like pleasure herself. And it was just

(44:28):
really funny because the language in this study is so funny.
They wanted to see if female sexual arousal, current ideas
about female sexual arousal are based on assumption or on facts,
and it was just funny. So they would have so
they would have like the missionary position happening then that
it would just be the woman there stimulating her clitterus manually,

(44:51):
and then she would inform the researchers by intercom when
she had reached the pre orgasmic state. Oh gosh, it's
like when you, I guess like reached like right before
you're gonna orgasm, speaking to the intercom, Oh, I have
reached the pre orgasmic state. That's like when that guy

(45:12):
got to the moon. You know, I mean I feel like,
like what same thing. This is one step for man
and man kind of one of that fucked up the
quote that he did that didn't make any sense. Yes, um,
this is one great step for woman and one greater
step leap for woman, Kim and I'm gonna come out
do I have. But like then they had to like
sustain in that pre orgasmic state. I guess for kinky

(45:35):
kinky there had to be like a particular word or
like a safe word like not they had I have
reached the moment before. Yeah, excuse me, Um, yeah, I
mean obviously they would have like a lot of con
you know, consent forms and stuff, being like hey guys,
if you don't want to bang, it's okay, you know.
But I also thought it was funny because they did

(45:57):
this study on a Saturday, because that was the time
that the MRI machine was like available, And I was like,
this sounds like a little hobby that you're doing, where
it's like we're going to sneak in on Saturday and
use the MRI machine to doo our sex study. But
they also importantly noted that, you know, throughout scientific history,
there's been such a taboo against sexuality that it hasn't
been studied enough, so this was actually valuable to do

(46:19):
that's a huge part of like humankind, So yeah, we
should know about what's going on. Yeah, and here's something
I really appreciate. So it was all heterosexual couples doing
missionary position. Um, but this is like yeah, but big
laire yep. They said in the study, they said, we
did not foresee that the men would have more problems

(46:42):
with sexual performance maintaining their erection than the women. In
the scanner. All the women had complete sexual response, but
they described their orgasm as superficial, which means that most
of the dudes they got limp dick syndrome inside the
MRM Eyra machine. So it's just really funny. They're saying
that the women were more able to like maintain being
aroused and liked like that is that is true? I

(47:07):
think it's just like confidence in the MRI machine. Every
woman that I have met, I think has dealt with
a man with problem like like performance issues and it's
like yeah, same girl like and it's nothing to talk
about about men about. It's just a fact, like I

(47:28):
think that men have more confidence issues when it comes
to that. Yeah, it's easy, lady, boners are also easier
to maintain. I feel like then, Yeah, I think so
man boners. Um, I just have dated too many anxious
men too, so I don't know if my sample sage
is accurate. But um, but yeah, so they also like

(47:49):
since it was obviously an awkward situation, I think on
their like second or third rounds of doing these MRI studies,
they gave people like kind of a sexy drug so
that they would feel It's called sildenafil. Sildenafil, and it's
supposed to, like us, make it less awkward. That's not
what it does. But it made people more able to

(48:09):
have sex. I don't know if that would be awkward,
but I guess I don't know. It's Europe. I'm not surprised.
I'm not surprised at this happened in another one. I
was just going to sea. But wow, who's the enophobic now? Um? Okay?
If well, I wanted to say, this was really funny

(48:33):
that they had of the like eight or however many
couples they had. One of the couples were acrobats. Oh,
they were amateur street acrobats, and they noted um that
they were the only participants who I think were able
to reach climax together without any additional drugs in the

(48:55):
MRI machine. And they were saying because of their scientific curiosity,
knowledge of the body, and artistic commitment, and in that
fact that they were used to performing under stress as acrobats,
they were sort of the best participants in which they
were able to get the best results stuff for them.
I mean, that isn't interest. I mean that's another point

(49:17):
is like it's a small machine. I mean the machine
is kind of claustrophobics, so you got to put two
people in there, and I mean part of the experiment
was saying if they could even like capture these images,
and they had some success, but it doesn't seem like
all the images were great because I mean they were
just trying to see like I mean, no one had
really done. There wasn't like a real like there's no
like real images of what it actually looks like like

(49:41):
of a penis inside of a vagina. Like that just
didn't exist. And I don't know if it exists yet
because I didn't follow up and figure it out. But
you know, it was like important because before you know,
there's modeling and stuff, but there hasn't there's not like
real images of like penetration. You know, thank God for
those acrobats. Never know. Yeah. Also, I mean part of
their study too, they're just making the point, you know,

(50:03):
they're making that point that we don't have images like
it's understood, and they referenced it was funny they started
the study, like the introduction talking about Leonardo da Vinci
and kind of this like early like images that he
made of like what happens during coitus, And it was
just like funny in the fifteenth century that people thought
that the sperm was stored in the brain and it

(50:24):
would like go down the spine. Wow. I don't like
that image at all. I don't like the image either,
but they're like, we're like they would think that. No,
they absolutely would again think with their dicks literally because
the sperm is inside there. It makes it definitely does

(50:46):
make sense. I just hate the idea of like sperm
swimming all the way down back, yeah, through the other orifices. Yeah,
and and like there honestly hadn't been like that much modeling.
Like I mean, obviously in the twentieth century people didn't
think sperm was coming from your brain, but but there

(51:09):
are still And so some of the things that they
found was that there was this assumption that some people
had had that when women are aroused and when they
climax that their uterus gets fifty to one hundred percent larger,
Like that was something people thought. But then they prove
that that is not the case. Your uterus does not

(51:30):
change at all when you're having sex. I knew, It's
just the same thing. Yeah, we knew it. I knew it.
I mean it's like the anterior what is the the
right language. The uterus is raised and the anterior vaginal
wall is lengthened, but the size of the uterus does

(51:50):
not change with sexual around, which makes sense because you know,
if you have if you're pregnant, you have a baby,
if your uterus got better, would the baby just fall out?
That is that is true? Gabby, Wow, so scientific. But
you do get you're what gets engorged. Then because something gets,
things get bigger, it gets anterior anterior vaginal wall gets bigger.

(52:16):
Um according to this study, which was more than twenty
years ago. And I mean, on the one hand, there's
probably been more studies about this that I didn't reference.
I just read this one. But you know, maybe there's
other things that are clarified. Now. It's kind of like
the clitterest wasn't like people didn't know what they're the
clitterest or what the clearest really was until like the
nineties or later. So you know, it just be like that,

(52:37):
I know what research whole I'm going into this weekend? Yeah,
which research whole anyway, literally in figuratively. Okay, I think
we can just all be thankful that sperm doesn't live
in the brain. So Ali, thank you MRI Machines for
all of these opportunities we've had. Um. But yeah, this

(53:00):
has been another episode of Cadaver Gals. I hope you
guys have a great week. And the powder Puff Girls,
the Chinese crested powder Puff Girls, We'll talk at you
next week. God bless you, dar galkidaver Gals is a

(53:30):
production of School of Humans and I Heeartradio. It is
produced and all the other things by Gabby wats Naka
Duarte and Taylor Church. You can find us on the
internet on Twitter and Instagram at Cadaver Gals Tata