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Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Foundations podcast. I'm your host,
Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about a recent
trip I took that had something to do with sled
dogs and what those North Country runners taught me about
all working dogs and how we view them. People often
tell me I have a dream job, and in a
few ways they're not wrong. The free hunting gear is sweet,
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and many of the trips I've taken just would have
never happened if it were up to me and my
bank account. There are other parts, like about ninety three
percent of it, that are kind of just a job,
and that is what it is. But then there are
times when I have to do something that really sucks
or makes me question why I ever got into this
in the first place. Recently that hit home with me
when I woke up in a freezing tent with a
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shivering black lab in my sleeping bag, And that trip
and what I learned about it is sort of the
backbone for this whole episode. If you want to not
underestimate dogs and truly have a good life with your
four legged cohorts, this show might help. So buckle up,
it's time to start. This is you know, probably gonna
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show my age a little. But do you know how
sometimes you're like, Hey, this thing would be a really
good idea, we should do it, and then about three
months past and that thing becomes a reality and you're
just like, shit, I don't want to do that thing.
I sort of feel like, in a roundabout way, I
just described most of adulthood, but maybe not. I did
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specifically describe a show that I just filmed, though, so
picture this way Back at the beginning of the year,
my boss and I had a conversation about what shows
i'd filmed for the season. What I like about this
part of my job, aside from the fact that I
really don't like filming anything, is that I have a
lot of creative license. If I can make a strong
enough case for something I want to do, I can
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usually get it approved. Well. During this meeting with my boss,
he said to me, I want you to do a
couple more shows with your dog, you know, hunting something
that someone might care about in some place. Right, pretty vague, right.
I had been kicking around the idea doing something with
sled dogs, since I just think the air cool as hell,
and the few people I've met who are big into
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mushing are generally the kind of people with whom I
can have a very enjoyable conversation. So somehow in my
head all four of my functioning brain cells got together
in a little huddle and said, why don't we take
a sled dog team into the wilderness in northern Minnesota
and then winter camp for grouse with my pup, Sadie.
Then we can show how sled dogs work and how
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bird dogs work, and blah blah blah. Everyone who didn't
have to winter camp literally twenty five miles from the
Canadian border thought it was a great idea. Now, as
November wound down, it started to become a reality. I felt,
you know, a lot of things, but none of them
were excitement. Spending a few days in a tent with
a cameraman and a pup and dealing with everything being
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frozen all the time started to bother me so much
that I stopped checking the weather forecast. Now up here
we get a lot of below zero weather this time
of year, and seeing those negative numbers in the ten
day and then the hourly forecast sucked a lot. But
when we drove to northern Minnesota, a route by the
way in which I saw quite a few people in
the ditch due to a December storm. I tried to
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be excited, but it wasn't until we met up with Sean,
who's the owner of Hauling Dogs, which is based out
of Ely, that I started to get excited. He's a
dog guy, and he's the sort of unassuming badass that
I'd love to be when I grew up, but I'll
likely never be as capable as he is now. As
you can imagine, the conversation went to dogs, and Sean
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and his musher Buddy Page talked a lot about what
their dogs can do, how they are raised and handled,
and honestly, it did a lot for me mentally. Being
around real dog people is always nice, I guess. The
following morning, when we pulled into Shawn's yard and saw
thirty sled dogs chain to their houses, the first thing
that struck me was how quiet it was. I thought
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it was going to be a peer howling chaos, but
what I first heard when I stepped out of my
truck was a little bit of wind coming down from
the land of maple syrup and hockey, and one raven
croaking away as it wheeled overhead. And then tried to
land close enough to the dogs to steal a morsel
of their breakfast. Sean gave me a quick breakdown of
how to steer the dogs since I was going to
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drive my own sled, and then we loaded up and
pointed them into the wilderness. Now, when someone like that
gives you directions on how to steer a sled dog team,
he doesn't tell you that the sled dog team is
going to do what sled dog teams do and that
you're mostly there to run the brakes on this sled
because they're going where they're going to go. It didn't
matter to me, though, because it was freaking awesome. If
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you've never stood behind eight sled dogs and pulled on
the rope to get the whole thing in motion, you're
missing out. Gliding through ten miles of true wilderness behind
a team of dogs that has not only been bred
for the task but loves it with every fiber of
their being is just really really cool. It was also
cool to see how they'd respond to any movement I'd make,
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and how quickly they'd course correct or all shift their
gaits slightly to miss a rock on the trail. It
was cool how they all decided that they had been
quiet enough at the onset so that when they were
ready to run, or when we stopped to film something
and they took offence to it, they're howling and yipping.
Was almost deafening. And if you're wondering how a forty
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eight pound lab that would lose a fight with a
three legged mouse thinks of suddenly being dropped into a
world of thirty sled dogs, Sadie was terrified for much
of that experience, and I don't blame her, but the
sled dogs weren't really what I expected, which was a relief.
In fact, when we got to our campsite, which was
a clear spot on the top of a clear cut
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with a view of miles of rolling pine forests, Sean
told me to give each dog on my team a
little love and tell them that they did a very
good job. Every one of those dogs leaned in for
an ear scratch or a belly rub, and I got
quite a few kisses on the face from them. I
didn't expect that. I thought sled dogs would be these
hardened beasts of burden that didn't care about people at all.
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I was super wrong, and I brought that up several times,
until another fellow who showed up to help us get
out after our trip was over, said that that was
just how Sean raised and handled his dogs. They're not tools.
They were all unique and had their own jobs, and
I never saw him walk by a dog that he
could pet where he didn't. The idea I had of
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mushers and of sled dogs wasn't wrong, and it wasn't right.
It was just a series of beliefs I'd crafted out
of having no real experience with them, and then I
just assumed I was right. It didn't make any sense
to me that someone could have that many dogs and
love them like we love our dogs, and use them
for something that was mostly foreign to me, and I
didn't even understand. And when I asked Joe and Sean
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about that, they just said, well, yeah, some people just
treat their sled dogs that way, and some don't. You See,
the rules I believed to be true weren't true at all.
I just had no bays for questioning them because I
had no experience with which to raise those questions or
see that I was wrong. I look at it kind
of like the idea in the white tail world, where
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everyone thinks they can age deer accurately by looking at them.
This came from the outdoor TV media world, and I
think it has done more damage than just about anything.
So many people definitively claim that a buck is young
because of this body shape or that, and that all
mature bucks have very specific traits. But they never check
their work though. When you do send in your teeth
to get the deer aged through cementum annual lie aging,
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which counts the rings of growth and their teeth just
like the rings of a tree, the deer are often
way way older than they think. It never occurs to
most of us that while we accept without question that
genetics play a role in antler size, those same genetics
play a role in body size and shape. I'm six too,
and I've met full grown men who are both a
foot shorter than me and some that were dang near
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a foot taller any huski. My point is this a
lot of what we believe. We believe because we've heard it,
and when enough people say something, it just sort of
cements itself into the way things are. With dogs. This
kind of thinking can be dangerous because it might talk
us into getting the wrong breed. It might talk us
into not training the way we should, and it might
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just generally work against us dog wise. But mostly where
I think the danger lies is that it limits our
ideas on what our dogs are capable of, and that
means we never really try. It's also a great way
to excuse a way of bad behavior. So think about
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it this way. Let's say you opt for some type
of dog that has generally thought of to be a
high strong breed. I don't know, English cockers, German short hairs,
some type of dog that has the reputation as a burner.
If you know this going in, you might make a
really good plan to run that dog a lot and
get it tons of exercise. But when you do that,
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you now have a very in shape burner of a dog.
That's great for some people, but some people it's not
so great. And we all know that if you have
a high drive dog that has no outlets, it'll often
become a huge pain in the ass. But not everyone
who runs English cockers or gsps has that problem. They
understand generally what they're getting into with a dog, and
they work with it, so everyone involved has a good life.
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What they don't do is go, well, what are you
going to do. They're going to chew up slippers and
knock over Gramma when she comes over for Christmas, because
that's the kind of dog they are. We do this
with kids a lot, And if you happen to know
any teacher and you don't believe this, ask them what
the common denominator is with most of the problem kids
they deal with. I'll bet you a bag of dog
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food that they'll say something about the parents and how
far their heads are buried in the sand, often while
waving away bad behavior through some platitude like, well, boys
will be boys, right, But you know when most of
the kindergarten boys are playing with blocks and trucks, you're
just crawled into the duck work and the ceiling. It
took a dump in there. There's something going on. When
we limit our thinking on this kind of thing with dogs,
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it can go a lot of different directions. That high
drive dog that we write off is whatever, is probably
capable of a lot more than we were giving it
credit for. We might not even know that just about
any dog that will pick up and carry something can
probably be trained to shed hunt, and even if they
won't be very good at it, they are capable of it,
and that's good for them and for you. This, in
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some ways is another sign on how we view our
relationship with our dogs, or at least how some folks do.
They buy a dog that is this breed which is
known for these traits, and then they expect that breed
to deliver the behaviors it's generally known for. But that
largely discounts our influence in the whole thing, which we
have a hell of a lot of agency over. I'm
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sure Sean could have mindless robot sled dogs that win
races and happily pull clueless grout hunters into the wilderness
without complaining, But there would be something missing there, and honestly,
they probably wouldn't work for him in a way that
they should. They would get the job done, but there
would be an intangible missing that would take the whole
experience down a notch, even if it was nearly imperceptible
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to a lot of people. But his style is to
treat them like they are a team, and that allows
him to ask a lot of them, which they are
happy to deliver. That might be the best thing about
trying to forget a lot about what we think we
know of our dogs and truly trying to learn what
they are and what they need and what makes them tick.
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That's something that I've run into with a hell of
a lot of good trainers. Now what I mean by
that aren't just folks who can get dogs to do
what they want them to do. You can force a
dog to behave and plenty of trainers do that, or
at least a lot of them used to, but I
doubt it's gone away completely. Forced compliances a thing. But
if it's the primary training method, that relationship is going
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to suffer, and that dog will not deliver those behaviors
to anyone else without that same force, which a lot
of people aren't willing to do. It's the whole catch
and more flies with honeything. And when we believe that
our dogs are capable of a lot, and then we
work to see how much that really is, it only
strengthens the relationship and I think produces dogs that are
more likely to be independent problem solvers who know when
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to ask for our help. When I see a trainer
who is curious about what dogs can really achieve, I
generally see someone who has a very loyal following. It
doesn't have to work too hard to keep the clients
coming back. They've learned that dogs are individuals, and there
are breed characteristics that are usually pretty reliable, but that
the variance in each dog is enough to work with
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to do better than what's generally expected, at least in
cases where there's some decent blood to work with. Anyway,
this is one of the reasons I think it's such
a good idea to expose ourselves to the greater world
of good dogs and good dog trainers. It's kind of
the opposite of how we are pressured to live these days,
where we develop up some world views and then select
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carefully curated content to further cement those views instead of
questioning them and trying to understand why someone else might
think differently. When you make up your mind about something
dog wise and allow that to stick, it can hold
you back in ways that you can't imagine if you're
never exposed to people and other dogs that don't adhere
to those beliefs. I realize that not everyone can hire
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a sled dog musher to help them understand dogs in
general better, nor would you want to if you don't
want to freeze your knackers off. But there's nothing that
says you need to go to those extremes. Think about
what you could do in your life to expand your
relationship with your dog. Can you take them to Cabela's
or some other pet friendly store for a short shopping trip.
If not, then you have a pretty good idea some
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behavior issues you probably need to work on something that
would be good to do this winter, or I don't know,
can your upland dog be trained to hunt ducks? Have
you ever watched someone train a therapy dog or a
service dog. There are a lot of ways to go
about this stuff, but the key is to stay curious
and absorb information from a lot of different sources. It
has become super popular in the dog training world to
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adopt some trainer's method and then follow that forever. There's
a lot of good in a lot of those programs generally,
but the idea that someone who trains gsps has all
the answers for you and your specific GSP and that
you shouldn't look outside for answers or ideas is just flawed.
It's a great start, a great path to follow, but
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can become limited in your thinking in a hurry if
you're not careful. There is also the truth that the
more you do with your dog, whatever that might be,
the more they'll show you not only what they need,
but also what you can do to make the relationship better.
Maybe you have a great dog, but it's a wire
hair some other dog that really likes to run, and
you can't have them off leash because well, they're going
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to run. Yet someone somewhere has a very similar dog
that can be trusted off leash no matter how many
squirrels are out or how many people they see in
the park. The best way to sign off on this
is to think about what your dog can do and
what you can do with your dog, versus focusing on
what your dog isn't very good at or what you
don't want to do with your dog because of some
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expected behavior due to the breed. Reframe your thinking, expose
yourself to the greater world of good dogs. See where
it takes you. Do that, and then come back in
two weeks because I'm gonna start talking about researching litters
of puppies and some of the big mistakes a lot
of folks make. That's it for this show. I'm Tony Peterson.
This has been The Houndation's podcast as always. I want
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to thank you so much for all your support. I
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