July 7, 2025 • 47 mins
Happy Wives Happy Life! Camilla catches up with her TV husband’s real life wife Erin Slaver.
Hear what Camilla really thought about Chris Carmack before they worked together, and how she ‘linked’ up with the family during Covid.
Plus, what REALLY went through Erin’s head when she saw her hubby marrying another woman on Grey’s!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello, Call It crew, and
welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Today is actually really special because Jessica Capshaw is in
Nashville right now and she is filming nine to one
one and I needed a guest host, so I brought
on someone that someone call a violin virtuoso, a social
media queen, but I like to call her my sister
(00:44):
wife because she's married to mister Chris Carmack or somebody
called Carmack.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I don't know. Aaron Slaver, Welcome to Call It What
It Is.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What an introduction, so much more than I could list,
like extraordinary, there's so many things.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm so excited to have you on. Thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm such an honor and guest host with me and
all the listeners are really excited, and there's so much
I want to get into because I feel like so
many people know you from your social media.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And it's as soon as I told iHeart that I
was like, I want Aaron on. They're like, oh my god,
she's so funny, and.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was like, we'll get into that, but there's so
much more that I want to talk about so that
listeners can get to know you. Okay, so let's just
are you ready to jump in? Yes, yes, absolutely, Okay.
So the crew wanted to know the first time that
we met, and I said, I it's all a blur
for me, especially pre pandemic. Yeah, I'm sure so we
(01:48):
but you said that we met for the first time
at a cast party for our showrunner's wedding celebrations.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yes. Yeah, And like for me, it was a huge deal.
Here I am meeting these people I had watched on
my TV set. Did you watch Chris before it started? Okay, okay,
before he got on your face your character. I mean
it was crazy. Oh and by the way, I always
thought like you were so gorgeous on TV. I don't
really always the whole glam team, Aaron.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You've seen me without makeup, like in the middle of
the pandemic having a nervous break down.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Now you're still so gorgeous. You really are. But and
and what is crazy is when Chris started the show,
it was like to Patty, can't be with that joke character, Like,
I love you, she's so cute and you would be
so cute. I honestly thought that you were rooting for
them as a couple. I like secretly was, oh my god,
I love it. We haven't talked about this, right, okay,
because you know, you had your husband and he had Amelia,
(02:46):
and you know, things were set, things were set on
the show. But yeah, yeah, so I met you at
this party and memorable night for me. I met a
bunch of the cast cairst time and Chris had just
started the show. Was you know, is he making a
good impression? Yeah? And I remember you guys were so sweet,
big smile and you were like yes, so yeah, you
(03:08):
guys were super welcoming, even to a wife of a regular.
By the way, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The partners are like more important than the cast because
behind the scenes when we're having late nights, you guys
are holding down the ship.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I know. And you guys, it's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work. Job. No, you do an
amazing job.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I know because I'm sat next to Chris for you know,
like midnight, and I know that they're.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Like texting him like the baby's sick, what are you
getting home? What are you listens? Our kids are always sick.
I know, it's tough, right, That's the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Like oftentimes Chris and I share on set, I'm like,
what happened with you this week?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And He's like, well, we've got.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Salmonella and this virus and that, and it's almost like
I'm like, well, I've got those two in these two
right right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's and then and then he'll that's the week where
he's working till. Yes, that'll be the one high hundred
percent when you were calling. Honestly, I feel like we
should just bring them to set. We have so many
doctors on set, you guys take care of her. Yeah,
we should have them. We should have them all the filming.
(04:14):
I wish.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay, So that was the first time that we met.
And then people might not know this, but.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We partnered up.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You were our family, our COVID family, that's right, and
then bubled. We bubbled together. Yeah, did you bubble with
anybody else? I didn't bubble with anyone else. There was
no other family.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I mean, we had we had a set of neighbors
that didn't have children that we would do like parking
lot wine nights with. And that was parking lot wine Nights. Remember,
it was so weird. Yeah, but you were the only
family that week. Yes, and I think it's because Chris
and I were testing for Grace.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We probably safe enough. But Aaron and Chris's kids, well
it was just Kai at the time. We're the only kids,
and I was pregnant with Lucas, so.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You had just we were like, remember we were the
first people to meet.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You were the first people to meet my baby. I
can you believe that over families like.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Six months I think around or when by that time, Yes, yeah,
came by that time.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, they were the very first people to meet the baby,
over literally anybody. And but so I had Lucas and
then we were and then the girls played together and
it was such a relief because Hayden had not seen
another kid. Yeah, same, and so it was like so
amazing to like have you guys come over or come
over to you and just like swim and be like,
(05:31):
oh my god, I can actually touch another human being.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, it gave them like a sense of normalcy. Yeah,
we were all severely lacking.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We were trying to make it during the time, but
I feel like we did a good job of like
kind of in the pandemic making it work.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Together as best we could. We had to be really careful. Yeah,
and I mean I look back and it felt like
an eternity. Was it like nine months before we got
the vaccine and everyone started, yes, sort of going out again. Yeah,
but it Yeah, it felt a lot longer. It did. Yeah,
we did park bates at Lacy we did.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, we did parked at parks and then we did
we did super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
At our place. Yeah, you were the super Bowl party.
I remember we baked cookies.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, Thanksgiving, get Thanksgiving. This is good times. It was,
and it's like it but those memories are like all
a blurb. But it really did feel like almost a
two year period.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, even though it was and it felt like a
two year period that we were hunkering down together. So
people don't know that we we rode the pandemic together,
Me and Aaron, Yeah, these together.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, we really got to know each other's families. And
that was before you and Chris were linked up. Yeah
on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, in a way, I've thought about this because I
felt like that history between Joe and Link on the show.
I think what really helped, like that friendship history was
actually sort of that time because we all got to
know each other so well in a way that I
wouldn't have probably gotten too before. Yeah, and or without it,
And so I think it added a layer into like
(07:05):
the Joe and link of it all because.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
We I don't know, it's like we really hunkered down.
We all went through something. The getod acting right there.
We have a trauma bond. Trauma bond.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, Okay, So let's go back a little bit because
people might not know that you are incredible, an incredible musician.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I was reading the notes and I feel like
an idiot asking this.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So it's in my notes about you it says that
you started the classical violin at age three and then
later focused on the fiddle.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And I was like, what's the difference? Oh, yeah, no,
that's don't that's not stupid at all. What is that
many people ask this, It's really it's really a style.
Just stylistically is it the same, Like it's the same instrument,
it's the same instrument. It's the way a musician processes
the music. I'd say would differentiate between fiddler or violinist.
(07:59):
Like classical violinists, we're taught to learn the music, we're
interpreting music. Someone else wrote like hundreds of years ago,
interpreting it to be perfect. You want it to just,
you know, sound beautiful. You're focusing on your tone, you're
focusing on your technique and of course the musicality of it.
You want to express it, but you're still trying to
(08:19):
be true to this other composer's vision. And then you
get into fiddle music and suddenly you're really just you're
sort of like a jazz musician. You're listening to chords
and chord changes and you're playing over them, so you're
kind of I mean, great fiddlers are just improvising as
they go. They have licks that they keep up their
sleeve that they can play. And I mean, like, I
(08:41):
don't think I'm not that level of fiddler because I
trained classically. So it's really hard to get out of
your head. When you train classically, you're like, must play
the right notes all the time. You're like this little
violin robot ed. So when they say just play, you're
like just play? What?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
But I.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I mean I love the freeness of playing, you know,
any kind of music, fiddle, rock, folk, whatever, you know,
like getting to write your own parts or play your
own solos. So that's what you know. After college, I
really wanted to, uh, you know, get into that side
of music, not just the classical aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So yeah, so a fiddler, okay, so the same It
is the same instrument technically, the same instrument, yes, because
I was like, oh my god, there's an instrument called
the fiddle, and this whole time I thought it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Was the violin. Okay, So right, it's not so stupid. No, No,
like a like a violin, like a classical violinist will
probably play on a hundred K instrument, I mean, very
expensive instruments, and a fiddler would not care as much
because you're just it's more of a workhorse in a band.
A fiddle. You know, you're playing your solos, you're filling
(09:54):
up space, You're you're creating a pad underneath whatever the
singer is doing or whoever is soloing at the time,
Whereas the violin you're soloing or you're playing in an orchestra.
So okay, it's okay what you're using it for. I
hear you. Okay, So now I have a question.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You have been a backup violinist and singer or some
major major artists, and I'm a list a few, Rod Stewart,
Rascal Flats, My Tina McBride, Sugar Lynn, Keith, open, Amy Grant,
so many. Okay, So when you were back up, were
you playing the fiddle?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know what? On some of those I was on
some I was playing more of a violin style like
Rod Stewart, he would I, I cannot believe that you
played Okay. Well, I didn't tour with him, so it's different.
You know, some people I toured with and some people
I played back up for when they came to Nashville. So,
like Rod Stewart came to Nashville, I was contracted to play.
(10:52):
He had I don't know, like ten violinists come out
on stage and we played a couple of different songs.
He needed violin in the background for okay, so that
would be more like a classical style. This is what
I hope to do. When I went to Nashville, I thought,
hopefully I can bridge this place where you can be
a violinist. I can read music, I have good technique,
and then also I can transition and do a more
(11:13):
fiddle style playing, you know. And so if someone like
Trace Akins or Martina McBride or something. It was more
of a fiddle fiddle style that I was playing, So yeah,
it depended on the gig it was. I was basically
freelancing and just okay whatever. You know. This is so
wild to me. So as an actor, that's like, as
an actor.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Everyone knows that you sort of like land in Hollywood,
you most likely don't know anybody, and then you're sort
of auditioning if you're a musician because you're originally from
New York. Yeah, yeah, you're from New York, right, Okay,
so originally from New York.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You moved to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And then what are you just like arriving with your
violin and like, how does that work? How does because
I know the process on our side, but how does
that work for a musician like arriving in Nashville trying
to get work.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think it's so similar what the lives we lived.
Like I I picked up and moved from New York.
I had my fingers crossed something was going to happen.
I rented an apartment for six months, and we were
like if nothing happens, I go back home or whatever
I go. You have to like wait tables or to
have like I did. I was a hostess. Yeah, at
a restaurant called Sambuca. To tell you to tell Jessica okay,
(12:23):
I wrote, am I have closed actually and it was
you know, they had like live dinner music. But I
was a hostess. I lived walking distance, so I okay,
So you arrive and you're doing like the hostess. Yeah,
first thing I did. I got a jot and I
think though I did get really lucky. Within two weeks,
I met someone who booked me for the CMA Awards,
(12:47):
which which is like the Grammys of Nashville. So I know, yea,
within two weeks yeah, I mean I met the right person.
I knew a few people. I knew a few contacts
in the music industry. And I happen to be backstage
at the Grand Old Opry and I met the bass
player who's still there. I think he's the like MD
now and he's like, oh, you got to email my wife.
(13:09):
She'll give you a job. It's like, okay, so I email.
People are very nice in Nashville. They're very friendly. They
take you for your word. If you say I'm a
fiddler and I can sing, they will hire you. And
they'll say okay, fiddle and sing and like you will
get hired and sort of they will. They'll test you
out and if they like you, then you keep getting work.
(13:30):
So I was very fortunate I got hired for that,
and that's when I played for Rascal Flats at the
CMA Awards.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That was your first gig in Nashville. In Nashville, it
was no. My friends at home were like, what is happening?
Because I you know, I had like ten seconds, no,
not even ten two seconds of airtime where you could
see my face.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But that's that's That's like those dreamy stories that I
hear as an actor where you land and someone discovers you.
It's almost like, I know, maybe you wouldn't call it
being just discovered technically because you're like networking, but that
early and that to be your first gig is insane.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well yeah, no, I was. I felt very fortunate and
everyone was like, how did you do that? But I
really did get lucky, and you know, that opportunity opened
up a whole new network of people and like that's
how I ended up working background on Nashville the show.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Okay, so before we get to background on Nashville, people
want to know who your favorite singer, whoever band was
to play for.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh, such, well, I gotta say Carolyn don Johnson, even
though maybe not everyone would know who she is. But
she had a big hit in the nineties. Okay, when
I before, I was working a whole lot. I saw
her singing at the Bluebird Cafe, which is like this
renowned songwriter's venue. It's very small, intimate like this, and
(15:14):
everyone sings the songs they wrote. And so Carolyn had
had a hit in the nineties. She's from Canada, and
I turned to my friend, that song was amazing. Yeah,
and then I think, like a year later I was
playing for Carolyn and my god, that is weird.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But yeah, I understand how that would feel, even though
it's not as big a name as some of these
other names.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I feel like a full circle. It really did. Yeah,
it was so cool and I mean, and then you know,
we opened up for the Eagles in Oh my band
I played for later on, and I guess I didn't
technically play for the Eagles, but that was my favorite
thing to do ever. Because we were touring with the Eagles,
we would watch their show afterwards. It was I mean,
(15:59):
that was a dream come true. So that's wild.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That is incredible. Okay, so then how do you land Nashville?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, that was going back to that first gig I had.
I met some contractors in Nashville and a gentleman who
worked with the opry The Opry House is like a
powerhouse in Nashville of music, and uh, yeah, I got
a call. I think it was the night before they
were starting filming the pilot. And this is Chris wasn't
(16:29):
even on the show yet, and he's so, you were
on the show before Christmas. Technically I want oh my god,
I passmates, I'm calling you out. I do at home
all the time. Oh my god, you're just following my hotel.
Just remember I was on But yeah, they were like,
can you be at the Opry House tomorrow? What is
(16:51):
he either filming this pilot? It's it's it. They think
it's going to go. They need a background singer for
Connie Britton, and you know she's from Friday Night Lights.
She was and she was a huge star to be
there in Nashville. Everyone was flipping out that they had
Connie and that was why a big reason they thought
(17:12):
it was going to go. You know, Connie braven is
first star, and do.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You remember hearing about the pilot and thinking, oh, it's
definitely gonna go.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah. Yeah, it was was such a cool experience, and
she was playing like a faith Hill sort of character,
and yeah, so I was like, sure, I'll be there,
and I was her background singer in the band and
was amazing. Like Callie Corey, the creator of that show
and her husband t Bone has you know, renowned producer,
(17:40):
they really were adamant about like hiring real musicians and
real people who lived and worked in Nashville to be
in the show and play the roles that they were
supposed to play. So they had, you know, they had
real guitar players, just like you have real doctors on set. Yeah,
they had real guitar players making sure everyone was doing
(18:03):
the fingering right and the playing right. And the entire
band that they would hire for every scene was always
real session players or touring musicians. So I met a
ton of people like back doing background with me who
have gone on to you know, play for Kelly Clarkson
(18:23):
and and.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So then where you hired for every episode, like every
episode they needed someone where you consistently and it was
for a.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
While, Yeah, they started changing things up. I think it's
probably maybe second season. And that was partially because they
they couldn't, you know, give us any kind of retainer,
like can you be here. So people would get jobs
and we'd be touring, we'd be doing other.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Tours or whatever, and they have to bring someone else
and then they can bring you back. So okay, so
this is where you met. We had a lot of
questions about this. This is where you met Chris Carmack
for the first time. Do you remember seeing Chris for
the first time.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I do. Did you think that, Do you think, okay,
we need to tell that story.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah? Did you think, oh my god, he's so hot?
Or were you like, I roll another actor?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know what? His reputation preceded him. I was really
good friends with Sam, his his co actor, the guy
who played Gunner I played. I played in Sam's band,
and Sam had told me all about him. He was like, Oh,
this new guy is here. He works out all the time.
He's telling me about how he's in the gym with him,
(19:35):
he's super ripped. Can he tell me he was on OC? Yeah?
So I I guess I just had this assumption he
was going to be so arrogant. Yeah. I don't know why,
just you know, a buff guy who had been on
the se you make.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
First off, he played Luke on the OC. Yeah, and
Luke was a dick.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah he was. It's like he's known as the
bad boy. Then he's like, there's a new guy, Kennedy.
He's in the gym all the time. I'm like, yeah, yeah, right.
I was like, oh, this guy's gonna be yes. And
so when I met him, it was iron like, oh great,
this guy hi. And I know I couldn't have been
more wrong, because I'm sure, as you you know Chris,
(20:16):
he's he's such a gentleman, very humble. Ye. Nothing, he
doesn't look his personality and the way he looks, don't Matt,
don't go they thank God.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean I have to say that I think that
because of social media, fans have gotten to know at
this point that he's not like the Abercrombie.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know, he's not Luke, right, He's he's now an actor. Yeah.
I don't know if you know this, but I know
Chris de side of the story of you. Oh what
is it?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Remember no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
He remembers that it was so sweet because I think
this is like way way way back when, and we
were talking about how we you know, met our partners,
and I was talking about like, you know, waiting titles
with Matt, and I thought Matt was like, really boring.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I've talked about this before. I thought he was so boring.
I was like, he doesn't talk.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's more best if we were like on the same
shift together.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I was disappointed.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Really, yes, that is so fun and obviously things changed people.
But so when I asked Chris about you, he had
the sweetest story. This is exactly what I would want
to hear if I was like you. And it basically
was that he saw you and then you were obviously beautiful,
(21:33):
and then he realized how talented you were and he
was just like really taken by you and your He
he said that just basically like your personality was just
so bright and you were so shimmery and shiny basically,
and it was.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Like such a cute story. And here I am being like, well,
I thought my hansband was so boring. Ask him what
he thinks about me? Now? No, no, of course it's
all shiny is not very.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Like children, and the shiny can be really hard.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Having that like mystic attitude all the time.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, so then you learned that he was like not douchebag, right, Yes,
I spent some time hanging out with him. Yeah, what's
interesting is sort of like Joe and Link.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
We were just friends for a while, yes, and then
he dated several girls that I would always get along
with because I would get invited to hang.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Out with this group of So you were kind of
watching him go through cycle through something else.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh yeah, and I thought I was not his type. Okay,
I was like Chris carmag and I are never going
to happen. Not that I was feel like he was
your type.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Like had you dated guys before though, was you know,
like that looked like him or was like him?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, he's not your type. I think I always went
for like small artistic music guys, you know, very you know,
tortured artist, yea, tortured artists. Tortured artist. Yeah, Chris is not.
He doesn't give tortured artists does. He might be one,
but he doesn't give it. He doesn't give it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yes, I could see that he could. Yeah, he mind
me a little bit, but no, he's not. It's not
like you know. Yeah, so yeah, I know. I So
you did not feel like you were his type. He
was technically not your type, but were as he was
like dating out the girls, were you developing feelings?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, this is an interesting story and I made sure
it was okay. I told it, okay, I love it. Exclusive.
We were We were just friends for probably about a
year and he texted like the group chat even back then,
and he said, hey, guys, my girlfriend can't come to
this comedy show. I got tickets for a while ago,
and he seemed kind of pissed. Yeah, okay, and he
(23:54):
was like, is anybody free tonight to come? And I
don't know. I was feeling outgoing, I was feeling extroverted,
and I was like, yeah, i'll come, and.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Okay, when you be honest, when you were like yeah,
i'll come, was there a party part of you that
was like i'll come.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know. I don't know. I don't think so. I
just wanted to get to know him. I think I
had seen him perform as well recently. I had seen
him perform and I was super impressed. I was like,
this guy's a great musician. So yeah, I had like
a lot of respect for Chris and I loved their
friend group. I loved, you know, hanging out with all
(24:32):
of them, and I thought, oh, this is the opportunity
to like, yeah, see yeah he hang out and no,
we were all talking about hanging out as a group later,
so I thought, oh, I'll go to the show. I
don't have anything to do so anyway, So yeah, I
don't know what he was expecting when I when I
answered the text. But but we went together and it,
(24:55):
I mean, it'd be lying if I didn't say it
felt like we were on a date all of a sudden,
because Chris is such a gentleman, you know, like he's
gonna open the door for you, and he's gonna pull
out the chair for you, and he's gonna pay, and
he's gonna be like he really treats you so well.
And I think that's just how he was raised to
treat women very respectfully and he does that to everyone.
And but we had a great time. Uh you know,
(25:20):
we ended up paying. Feel like he does have all
those things.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, but I'm assuming that there was that that's you know,
his like gentleman thisess.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm assuming that there was also that like chemistry. Yeah,
I think there was to make it feel like a date.
There was deff. I think there was chemistry. I asked him,
and I think he said that he felt there was
a little chemistry. I'm assuming.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, who made the first move, first kiss move?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That that was Chris? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he invited
me over to that Like a couple of months go
by and we had this like faux date.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Was it clear that at that point it was a
date because your guys are friend and so, like, was.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It liked it? How did it? What made it different
than just be like, hey you want to go grab something?
Like was it obvious like hey do you want to?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You mean that when he made the move? Yes, yes,
because he specifically texted me, can you come over and
hang out? Like he never would just specifically text me,
you know, he would maybe text the group chat or
or there would be an event we're all going to
moved off the group chat.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I got a personal text from him, And I
think I was about to go out on tour for
like three weeks and I couldn't even the first time
he texted me personally, And I love this. This is weird, Like,
you know, Karmak never just texts me. Yeah, And so
I couldn't come, and then I love, Actually, I really
love this part of the story where you're like, I
just don't. I'm on tour, I can't. Yeah, I was
(26:47):
like not going to be there in town. And then
I got back in town and I don't know how
he reconnected or I texted him or whatever, but then
he invited me again to It was Memorial Day and
he invited me. His best friend was there with his
girlfriend and it was just Chris and me, and then
later that night he made a move and from then.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
On were you guys together. Did you ever do like
the make up breakup situation a lot of people will
do before.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
They get married. Yeah, No, we never had an official
break We went through a little rough patch. We always
worked through it, and I.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Think it's all working through it obviously that makes for
a successful relationship.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, oh, one hundred. Yeah. I mean it's a little
different once you have kids and you're married and you
have a rough patch, you're like, Okay, well I don't
think anyone's going anywhere because we had a little fight.
But yeah, when you're just dating, it's a little scarier.
It is scarier.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, so we'd like to go through that and to
stick with it together, I think says a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah. Yeah, even back then he was committed to trying.
You know, I think we even talked to a therapist
of your time.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You're talking about this because we talk a lot of
times about therapy and it's so nice and relatable to hear, like, hey,
we got couple therapy even early on in dating to
work through some stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, it's it was amazingly helpful. I mean even to
take a step back and look at myself and the
way I grew up and like the my tendencies that
I didn't realize I had. You know, it's it's so helpful.
So I wish we should do more of it. I
think everyone should do it.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I mean, Matt was on here and we were talking
about couple Star because we haven't done it, and we're
joking about how we we probably do need it because
everyone should.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Have it've done it? Ever? No? Oh really no, but
we do.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
We've said this on the podcast. We use it as
a threat sometimes like, oh, really, guess what steps a
couple therapy?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh, And it's like every time it is a threat
because really, every time we fight, I'm like, we need
to call the therapist. Yeah, get Barbara on the phone
for emergency zoom exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So we have a lot of people. It's summertime. People
are planning weddings. I just got married. I've seen the pictures.
Beautiful wedding.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What is one piece of advice you would give two
brides for the day, Because I what I have said before,
My answer has always been that I limited the time.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It took to take pictures. I gave like a hard out.
Is there something that you if you could go back
and change that you would change? Well, I mean this
is sort of the opposite answer is that I we
did one of those like all inclusive wedding places. Okay,
I mean I cannot recommend that enough. Well, I love
it because tell me why they do it all for you?
(29:58):
It is such a stress free day. You just get
to show up and be the star of your show.
I mean you do they do like the flowers and everything. Yes,
they do the flowers, They do the food, the catering,
the decorations on the table, they do the photo. Well, no,
you get your own photographer. But then they coordinate with them.
They sort of have vendors that they use. Yes, and
so you you have to pick a few, but for
(30:19):
the most part, they have the catering down, they have
the the florists, all the decorations, the lighting, the I
mean just almost everything they think of for you, the transport,
the Did you feel relaxed on the day that knowing
it was all taken care of? I feel like I did.
I did. That's amazing, it was really nice. Yeah. I
(30:41):
cannot recommend something like that enough. But yeah, I also
wish we had made more time for family, because I mean,
I had cousins and relatives and people who like have
passed away since our wedding that you know, they traveled
and you get to see them for ten minutes and
then you can talk to other people. Have so many
peopeople there, and I don't know, I don't know what
(31:02):
the solution is for that, but I wish there had
been a way to really, you know, have quality time
with all of your guests.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But it's so hard because did you feel like you
had quality time with Chris? Because Matt and I literally
were talking about this with a couple of the other day.
They're about to get married, and we felt like we
didn't see each other much. Yeah, in the wedding I
mean we were trying to sort of host, right, we
also had and so she was two, and so we
were like Matt had to write yes too, and so
(31:31):
I don't know if you had to do this, but
we'd like.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
We had to go, one of us had to go
put her down to bet. Oh wow. Yeah, well we
had my we had both of our parents sets of
parents there who were designated, and we also had we
had like a babysitter come and take care of all
the young kids, so they were all together. So wait,
that's a great idea. Yeah, that's a good if you
have kids. Yeah, get coming to the wedding. Gets to
hire someone, hire someone absolutely. Oh you see the baby. Yes, yeah,
(31:57):
we had little kids area like tucked away and they
all went and the kids table and they had their
like chicken fingers and their coloring books.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
And wait, this is an amazing I have never a
thought of this or heard of this.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Oh yeah, see.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I would take it a step further and just make
like a jail, did I mean, like where they just
literally can't come out, Like do you just throw a
chicken finger in and.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Then you walk away, lock them up and then when
you're done, Mommy's got to Espresso Martina during the baby finger.
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I love Okay, that's amazing. Okay, So you guys got
married in twenty eighteen. Yeah, and then that was the
same year if he got graced onto.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Me, yes, yeah, I don't know. If you use that,
he would come back like every weekend. Yes, I do
remember a lot of caramel back and forth.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And then how did you feel about having to move
a young family to Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Sounds tough. That was tough moving, you know, especially going
from a place where the cost of living is lower,
and you had community complain about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
No, I know community and community because we have a
lot of people writing and talking about how with this
All the time you have people saying, I just moved
to a new town.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I have no idea how to make friends, Like it's
very hard. That's so hard. Yeah, I mean I still
have made very, very few friends. But partially, I mean
I'm so busy that I know, I feel bad I
can't commit to when when you know people do reach
out to try to make a relationship, I'm limited in
(33:45):
the time I have. I think that's very something, very
a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It is also I feel like there's a lot of
times where truthfully, I want to like when Matt comes home,
I want to spend time with him, right, instead of
just bounce all the time. Hm.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And so it's really careful.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It's a really hard balance of like putting in an
effort with your friends, your family, your kids, or you know,
all of it.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's yeah, it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. And and to your point,
you know, before I had kids, when I was in
my early twenties and whatever, and I was having fun
in Nashville making all my friends. It's like they're all
still there in Nashville, yeah, or my old friends from
high school or New York or East Coast, and so yeah,
(34:30):
when once you move from a place you've spent you know,
your young adulthood. Yeah, and you moved to a completely
different city, people sort of already are in their grooves too.
They have their friends, they have their families, and you know,
I do find that like when Kai started kindergarten, we
were in the Lacannyata area, and that's that's a great
(34:54):
time to make a lot of.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That's how friends, right, that's how I felt like I
met mommy friends. I feel like once Hayden Star School.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I was so confused.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
A lot of my friends did not have kids yet,
and so I was so confused, like.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Where do I find moms? It's hard in a big
city like Los Angeles. It's just not like, I mean,
you grew up in a different country, but I grew
up in a small town in upstate New York, and
it was just hardly anyone left, hardly anyone came. It
was the same people our whole lives. And I mean,
in a way that's kind of nice.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Do you feel like you would ever want your family
to move back to where you grew up if you
could move anywhere with them, like sometimes would you would
you go to Nashville or would you take them back
home to New York.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think there's a lot of advantages to being in
this more metropolitan area Los Angeles, Nashville that I totally
missed out on. And even though I loved my childhood,
I loved my you know, teenage years, I do I
wish I had been a little more exposed to you know,
the culture and and just everything of that. I sort
(36:02):
of had a rude awakening when I got to college. Yeah,
So yeah, No, I think I think Nashville or I mean,
I'm really happy where we are now, Like outside of Pasadena,
It's it's so sweet there. It's very neighborhoodie. But you
know we're it could be downtown LA in thirty minutes. Yeah,
(36:23):
it's true. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I I do think it's advantages to living in Los Angeles.
I do think as a new mommy having moved to
the area, it's it's a tough it is a tough city,
and it's that's a really relatable thing I think for
a lot of a lot of people. Yeah, okay, let's
get into.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Okay, your wedding.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I do have a question about your wedding because Link
and Joe just got married on Grace Now. Oh yes,
and he's song he's they had him sing his wedding vows.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
If Chris had reached for his guitar and started saying
to you.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
His vows, would you have been like, are you kidding me?
The guitar dome? Okay, have three otions? Are you would
like this is a fine line, this is about you
or me? Would you have been like, you know what, let's.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Have a battle and pick up your violin and be
like it's on. Or would you just like melted and
loved it because I feel like this has been a
little polarizing. Some fans have been like this is too
much or she yeah, and now the.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Fans are like, of course they love it. I when
when he told me, I mean, obviously I knew like
he was working on the song NonStop when he was
helping write it, so I knew it was this was happening.
And I was kind of like, oh, is Camilla gonna
like that? I mean to stare at you while young?
Was she gonna hate this girl? After three hours? We
(37:56):
just used air plugs. Yeah, I just I put my
own pods in. I listened to a little you know
lady God. Yeah, yeah, I don't blame you. I kidding, Chris.
I loved it. I was in it every time. I know,
but I have to say when I watched it, I
was crying too. You got it. You did such an
amazing job not making it feel ick. I thought he
(38:19):
sold it really well. He did. He did, and that's
that's hard to sell you.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No, it's it's not easy. It's a fine line. It
could have been super cringey. I was felt very heartful,
but I know it was would you for.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Your own wedding, would you for just a song? Free? Yeah?
I mean I think so. Look if he had done it,
I think it would be something I'd look back and say,
what a romantic gesture like it would be fairytale level story.
But in the moment, I mean, I was picturing myself
and picturing you being me, like, what is Camila gonna
(38:51):
think this guy for real?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Or I'm not sure the wedding would have happened if
Chris's song the lyrics, we don't. I don't know if
Aaron would have you know, been on the horse riding away.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But no, I you know, for our engagement, though he did,
he didn't play, but he hired. This is very romantic
of him for when he asked, guy, ton't know this story? Ok, guy,
this is a good story. He rented out the rooftop
of this hotel in New York that that I loved.
It's like no longer in existence. It was called the
Nomad Hotel. Okay, thought we were going to visit a
friend and he hits the up button and that's where
(39:30):
I knew something's happening here.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And did you think engagement or did your mind kind
of god feeling had a feeling my nails done?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yes, who was on tour with me to convince me
to get my nails done? Yeah, so smart, good job.
He did really good and he had her come even
to take pictures. And so then we get to the top,
the elevator opens and he hired a jazz quartet to
play music for us, which was really cool because it
(40:00):
was songs that we had been playing together violin and guitar.
So it was like all very thoughtful, and he had
champagne and then yeah, he got down on his knee
and he had the ring and I was really impressed.
Beyond this is like this is like Sleepless in Seattle,
like movie movie impressed. It was it was my one
(40:24):
romantic gesture that because he didn't sing his vows so
he didn't sing his vowel.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So you know what, Honestly, I'm gonna tell you something,
I kind of would have liked that.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You liked that champagne.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I can't, I know, I know, listend to be in
the hospital.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's not the same jazz Corte to the good job
Carmat and I mean he was he wanted to work
fast because we were I was in New York on
a tour, so we weren't there very long. It wasn't
didn't really I am so impressed. Okay, so this is no,
(41:07):
this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
So now you guys, you have two kids, and what
I feel like people have just fallen in love with
you for is the social media.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
So we have to talk about it. First of all,
I want.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
To know because recently your social media has been you
playing a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Of pranks on Chris.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I want to know where you get these. I'm like,
where are the ideas from?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I'm in my pranking era? Is it just honestly you
thinking crazy things up? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I mean like like you went to the beach and
you pretend to eat sand and it was just like,
how did you even think about the cookies?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Like, I don't want to copy other people prank their husbands.
I don't want to copy people. Like I've always been
Christ and I both we've always been like on social media,
we're doing this. We want to be original content creators. Yeah,
and like we don't want to just do the same
you know whatever. Yeah, so yeah, I'm always trying to
be original. And you know I had done I think
(42:04):
I had done like a more simple version where I
had switched a wine bottle out with grape juice and
people had loved that. Right, Yeah, this is why you
were like early morning drinking.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yes, early morning drinking, and you're like, oh god, he
was okay, So we have I have logistical questions when
I watched this is your phone set up on the
counter recording him?
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Is that how you're catching his reaction? Because sometimes you
have more than one jingle? So we started out. It
was a lot easier when we first started because Chris
didn't know. I was just trying to get his reaction
on things so I could set up the phone and
and he honestly has no idea. That's what You're well
for the most part, like he might figure out something's up,
especially now because I'm always ranking him. Yeah, doesn't know.
(42:50):
Everyone's like, how does he not know that she's pranking you?
But the thing is he might know that something is up.
He might even spot in one of the hidden cameras,
but he doesn't know what I'm doing. Like people, I
tell people in the beginning of the video what I'm doing,
so everyone knows and they think, oh, this is obvious.
How does he not know?
Speaker 3 (43:07):
But he doesn't because I don't tell him at the
beginning of the pace, so he might spy.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
The cameras and realize something's going to be a miss
at some point, but might not know.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
So when he comes out and you like bought new
shoes or like the shorts, he was he by the
end of that prank, he definitely thought like, she's got
to be pranking me. But I don't know what this
is about, Like way until listeners, I haven't seen this,
like a couple of your tops. Yeah okay, well okay,
(43:38):
so we said switching out the wine for grape juice.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
So yeah, you downing a bottle of grape sing in
the morning, and he thought.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It was wine. Then there was the beach. I picked
up a bucket of sand, which I had, you know,
hidden my own prop bucket of sand. I switched them
out and I pretended that I was doing like I
talked to my camera, yeah, like you can eat the sand.
It's actually safe and healthy. And I start just you know,
downing the sand.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
It looks so real, even though I knew it wasn't real.
I was grossed out.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, it was really great, and it really made me choke,
Like I was eating a bunch of sand. So it
was it was a very realistic moment. At least it
tasted good.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
But you also, okay, the peaches. Can you talk to
them about the peaches and the eggs?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Oh and the eggs. Oh my mom loves that one. Yeah,
it's so good. You know what I do sometimes like
I'll come up with how can I switch out you know,
a raw egg? And I will google actually follow this
guy on YouTube and it's Scott prop and Roll and
he is a prop master in Los Angeles and you
might know him. And he shows everyone like secrets behind
(44:47):
the cameras of how they make props. So I got
the egg idea from him. The sand idea, I just
figured it out and I googled on Reddit somebody had
said make fake sand this way. But so she took
can she took a bunch of eggs and you switch
the yolk with peaches. My god, this was an elaborate one.
I did buy this special device that cracks an egg
(45:09):
like as perfectly as you can crack it, because I
took I took the shells of an egg. I know
it's insane. Too much time, everyone have too much time. No,
you don't even have time. You don't have.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
This is what's so crazy to you don't have any time.
I know how busy you are, so the setup, I'm like,
this is incredible that you're able.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
To do this. It's it's definitely And then Chris I
have to do when he's doing yard work or something,
so he's coming in the house and don't like run
in my bathroom. No. So I cracked the egg. I
dumped the yolks out, and then I boiled the eggs
because I wanted them to be clean because I'm going
to actually eat. Yes, I had these oiled shells that
I was trying to hold together, and I was like,
(45:49):
if he looks closely, he's gonna see. But what I
did is I made a fake raw egg. This was
a trick from a prop master. You can use peaches
and thickened water, so I bought there's actually something powder
you can buy on Amazon that thickens a liquid so
you can thicken the water. And then I put the peaches.
(46:09):
You know, I cut them in round circles. It really
looks like an egg. Put it in the shell. I
was going to try to glue it. That wasn't working out,
so put I'm back in the carton, and then I
pulled him out and I was like, all right, Chris,
you know I'm going to make some answer everybody. And
so he really was not suspecting that I put all
that work into a break that same Yeah, are you
(46:31):
feeling the pressure to just now? Yeah? I know your question. Yes, yes,
they have to get better and better. And I'm like, Chris,
I don't know what it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I feel like you should be like hosting. I feel
like you should be hosting like an America's you know,
funniest I feel like you should be hosting a show.
It feels like a pink show, like I think, put
this out there for Hollywood, for Aaron, because there's no
more perfect a person to be doing a show like that.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Let's put it out Sons, thank you, Hey everyone.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
We're gonna call it the end of the episode, but
stay tuned for part two because we are not done chatting.
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello, Call It crew, and
welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Today is actually really special because Jessica Capshaw is in
Nashville right now and she is filming nine to one
one and I needed a guest host, so I brought
on someone that someone call a violin virtuoso, a social
media queen, but I like to call her my sister
(00:44):
wife because she's married to mister Chris Carmack or somebody
called Carmack.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I don't know. Aaron Slaver, Welcome to Call It What
It Is.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What an introduction, so much more than I could list,
like extraordinary, there's so many things.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm so excited to have you on. Thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm such an honor and guest host with me and
all the listeners are really excited, and there's so much
I want to get into because I feel like so
many people know you from your social media.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And it's as soon as I told iHeart that I
was like, I want Aaron on. They're like, oh my god,
she's so funny, and.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was like, we'll get into that, but there's so
much more that I want to talk about so that
listeners can get to know you. Okay, so let's just
are you ready to jump in? Yes, yes, absolutely, Okay.
So the crew wanted to know the first time that
we met, and I said, I it's all a blur
for me, especially pre pandemic. Yeah, I'm sure so we
(01:48):
but you said that we met for the first time
at a cast party for our showrunner's wedding celebrations.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yes. Yeah, And like for me, it was a huge deal.
Here I am meeting these people I had watched on
my TV set. Did you watch Chris before it started? Okay, okay,
before he got on your face your character. I mean
it was crazy. Oh and by the way, I always
thought like you were so gorgeous on TV. I don't
really always the whole glam team, Aaron.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You've seen me without makeup, like in the middle of
the pandemic having a nervous break down.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Now you're still so gorgeous. You really are. But and
and what is crazy is when Chris started the show,
it was like to Patty, can't be with that joke character, Like,
I love you, she's so cute and you would be
so cute. I honestly thought that you were rooting for
them as a couple. I like secretly was, oh my god,
I love it. We haven't talked about this, right, okay,
because you know, you had your husband and he had Amelia,
(02:46):
and you know, things were set, things were set on
the show. But yeah, yeah, so I met you at
this party and memorable night for me. I met a
bunch of the cast cairst time and Chris had just
started the show. Was you know, is he making a
good impression? Yeah? And I remember you guys were so sweet,
big smile and you were like yes, so yeah, you
(03:08):
guys were super welcoming, even to a wife of a regular.
By the way, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The partners are like more important than the cast because
behind the scenes when we're having late nights, you guys
are holding down the ship.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I know. And you guys, it's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work. Job. No, you do an
amazing job.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I know because I'm sat next to Chris for you know,
like midnight, and I know that they're.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Like texting him like the baby's sick, what are you
getting home? What are you listens? Our kids are always sick.
I know, it's tough, right, That's the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Like oftentimes Chris and I share on set, I'm like,
what happened with you this week?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And He's like, well, we've got.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Salmonella and this virus and that, and it's almost like
I'm like, well, I've got those two in these two
right right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's and then and then he'll that's the week where
he's working till. Yes, that'll be the one high hundred
percent when you were calling. Honestly, I feel like we
should just bring them to set. We have so many
doctors on set, you guys take care of her. Yeah,
we should have them. We should have them all the filming.
(04:14):
I wish.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay, So that was the first time that we met.
And then people might not know this, but.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We partnered up.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You were our family, our COVID family, that's right, and
then bubled. We bubbled together. Yeah, did you bubble with
anybody else? I didn't bubble with anyone else. There was
no other family.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I mean, we had we had a set of neighbors
that didn't have children that we would do like parking
lot wine nights with. And that was parking lot wine Nights. Remember,
it was so weird. Yeah, but you were the only
family that week. Yes, and I think it's because Chris
and I were testing for Grace.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We probably safe enough. But Aaron and Chris's kids, well
it was just Kai at the time. We're the only kids,
and I was pregnant with Lucas, so.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You had just we were like, remember we were the
first people to meet.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You were the first people to meet my baby. I
can you believe that over families like.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Six months I think around or when by that time, Yes, yeah,
came by that time.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, they were the very first people to meet the baby,
over literally anybody. And but so I had Lucas and
then we were and then the girls played together and
it was such a relief because Hayden had not seen
another kid. Yeah, same, and so it was like so
amazing to like have you guys come over or come
over to you and just like swim and be like,
(05:31):
oh my god, I can actually touch another human being.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, it gave them like a sense of normalcy. Yeah,
we were all severely lacking.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We were trying to make it during the time, but
I feel like we did a good job of like
kind of in the pandemic making it work.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Together as best we could. We had to be really careful. Yeah,
and I mean I look back and it felt like
an eternity. Was it like nine months before we got
the vaccine and everyone started, yes, sort of going out again. Yeah,
but it Yeah, it felt a lot longer. It did. Yeah,
we did park bates at Lacy we did.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, we did parked at parks and then we did
we did super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
At our place. Yeah, you were the super Bowl party.
I remember we baked cookies.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, Thanksgiving, get Thanksgiving. This is good times. It was,
and it's like it but those memories are like all
a blurb. But it really did feel like almost a
two year period.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, even though it was and it felt like a
two year period that we were hunkering down together. So
people don't know that we we rode the pandemic together,
Me and Aaron, Yeah, these together.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, we really got to know each other's families. And
that was before you and Chris were linked up. Yeah
on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, in a way, I've thought about this because I
felt like that history between Joe and Link on the show.
I think what really helped, like that friendship history was
actually sort of that time because we all got to
know each other so well in a way that I
wouldn't have probably gotten too before. Yeah, and or without it,
And so I think it added a layer into like
(07:05):
the Joe and link of it all because.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
We I don't know, it's like we really hunkered down.
We all went through something. The getod acting right there.
We have a trauma bond. Trauma bond.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, Okay, So let's go back a little bit because
people might not know that you are incredible, an incredible musician.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I was reading the notes and I feel like
an idiot asking this.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So it's in my notes about you it says that
you started the classical violin at age three and then
later focused on the fiddle.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And I was like, what's the difference? Oh, yeah, no,
that's don't that's not stupid at all. What is that
many people ask this, It's really it's really a style.
Just stylistically is it the same, Like it's the same instrument,
it's the same instrument. It's the way a musician processes
the music. I'd say would differentiate between fiddler or violinist.
(07:59):
Like classical violinists, we're taught to learn the music, we're
interpreting music. Someone else wrote like hundreds of years ago,
interpreting it to be perfect. You want it to just,
you know, sound beautiful. You're focusing on your tone, you're
focusing on your technique and of course the musicality of it.
You want to express it, but you're still trying to
(08:19):
be true to this other composer's vision. And then you
get into fiddle music and suddenly you're really just you're
sort of like a jazz musician. You're listening to chords
and chord changes and you're playing over them, so you're
kind of I mean, great fiddlers are just improvising as
they go. They have licks that they keep up their
sleeve that they can play. And I mean, like, I
(08:41):
don't think I'm not that level of fiddler because I
trained classically. So it's really hard to get out of
your head. When you train classically, you're like, must play
the right notes all the time. You're like this little
violin robot ed. So when they say just play, you're
like just play? What?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
But I.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I mean I love the freeness of playing, you know,
any kind of music, fiddle, rock, folk, whatever, you know,
like getting to write your own parts or play your
own solos. So that's what you know. After college, I
really wanted to, uh, you know, get into that side
of music, not just the classical aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So yeah, so a fiddler, okay, so the same It
is the same instrument technically, the same instrument, yes, because
I was like, oh my god, there's an instrument called
the fiddle, and this whole time I thought it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Was the violin. Okay, So right, it's not so stupid. No, No,
like a like a violin, like a classical violinist will
probably play on a hundred K instrument, I mean, very
expensive instruments, and a fiddler would not care as much
because you're just it's more of a workhorse in a band.
A fiddle. You know, you're playing your solos, you're filling
(09:54):
up space, You're you're creating a pad underneath whatever the
singer is doing or whoever is soloing at the time,
Whereas the violin you're soloing or you're playing in an orchestra.
So okay, it's okay what you're using it for. I
hear you. Okay, So now I have a question.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You have been a backup violinist and singer or some
major major artists, and I'm a list a few, Rod Stewart,
Rascal Flats, My Tina McBride, Sugar Lynn, Keith, open, Amy Grant,
so many. Okay, So when you were back up, were
you playing the fiddle?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know what? On some of those I was on
some I was playing more of a violin style like
Rod Stewart, he would I, I cannot believe that you
played Okay. Well, I didn't tour with him, so it's different.
You know, some people I toured with and some people
I played back up for when they came to Nashville. So,
like Rod Stewart came to Nashville, I was contracted to play.
(10:52):
He had I don't know, like ten violinists come out
on stage and we played a couple of different songs.
He needed violin in the background for okay, so that
would be more like a classical style. This is what
I hope to do. When I went to Nashville, I thought,
hopefully I can bridge this place where you can be
a violinist. I can read music, I have good technique,
and then also I can transition and do a more
(11:13):
fiddle style playing, you know. And so if someone like
Trace Akins or Martina McBride or something. It was more
of a fiddle fiddle style that I was playing, So yeah,
it depended on the gig it was. I was basically
freelancing and just okay whatever. You know. This is so
wild to me. So as an actor, that's like, as
an actor.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Everyone knows that you sort of like land in Hollywood,
you most likely don't know anybody, and then you're sort
of auditioning if you're a musician because you're originally from
New York. Yeah, yeah, you're from New York, right, Okay,
so originally from New York.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You moved to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And then what are you just like arriving with your
violin and like, how does that work? How does because
I know the process on our side, but how does
that work for a musician like arriving in Nashville trying
to get work.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think it's so similar what the lives we lived.
Like I I picked up and moved from New York.
I had my fingers crossed something was going to happen.
I rented an apartment for six months, and we were
like if nothing happens, I go back home or whatever
I go. You have to like wait tables or to
have like I did. I was a hostess. Yeah, at
a restaurant called Sambuca. To tell you to tell Jessica okay,
(12:23):
I wrote, am I have closed actually and it was
you know, they had like live dinner music. But I
was a hostess. I lived walking distance, so I okay,
So you arrive and you're doing like the hostess. Yeah,
first thing I did. I got a jot and I
think though I did get really lucky. Within two weeks,
I met someone who booked me for the CMA Awards,
(12:47):
which which is like the Grammys of Nashville. So I know, yea,
within two weeks yeah, I mean I met the right person.
I knew a few people. I knew a few contacts
in the music industry. And I happen to be backstage
at the Grand Old Opry and I met the bass
player who's still there. I think he's the like MD
now and he's like, oh, you got to email my wife.
(13:09):
She'll give you a job. It's like, okay, so I email.
People are very nice in Nashville. They're very friendly. They
take you for your word. If you say I'm a
fiddler and I can sing, they will hire you. And
they'll say okay, fiddle and sing and like you will
get hired and sort of they will. They'll test you
out and if they like you, then you keep getting work.
(13:30):
So I was very fortunate I got hired for that,
and that's when I played for Rascal Flats at the
CMA Awards.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That was your first gig in Nashville. In Nashville, it
was no. My friends at home were like, what is happening?
Because I you know, I had like ten seconds, no,
not even ten two seconds of airtime where you could
see my face.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But that's that's That's like those dreamy stories that I
hear as an actor where you land and someone discovers you.
It's almost like, I know, maybe you wouldn't call it
being just discovered technically because you're like networking, but that
early and that to be your first gig is insane.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well yeah, no, I was. I felt very fortunate and
everyone was like, how did you do that? But I
really did get lucky, and you know, that opportunity opened
up a whole new network of people and like that's
how I ended up working background on Nashville the show.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Okay, so before we get to background on Nashville, people
want to know who your favorite singer, whoever band was
to play for.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh, such, well, I gotta say Carolyn don Johnson, even
though maybe not everyone would know who she is. But
she had a big hit in the nineties. Okay, when
I before, I was working a whole lot. I saw
her singing at the Bluebird Cafe, which is like this
renowned songwriter's venue. It's very small, intimate like this, and
(15:14):
everyone sings the songs they wrote. And so Carolyn had
had a hit in the nineties. She's from Canada, and
I turned to my friend, that song was amazing. Yeah,
and then I think, like a year later I was
playing for Carolyn and my god, that is weird.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But yeah, I understand how that would feel, even though
it's not as big a name as some of these
other names.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I feel like a full circle. It really did. Yeah,
it was so cool and I mean, and then you know,
we opened up for the Eagles in Oh my band
I played for later on, and I guess I didn't
technically play for the Eagles, but that was my favorite
thing to do ever. Because we were touring with the Eagles,
we would watch their show afterwards. It was I mean,
(15:59):
that was a dream come true. So that's wild.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That is incredible. Okay, so then how do you land Nashville?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, that was going back to that first gig I had.
I met some contractors in Nashville and a gentleman who
worked with the opry The Opry House is like a
powerhouse in Nashville of music, and uh, yeah, I got
a call. I think it was the night before they
were starting filming the pilot. And this is Chris wasn't
(16:29):
even on the show yet, and he's so, you were
on the show before Christmas. Technically I want oh my god,
I passmates, I'm calling you out. I do at home
all the time. Oh my god, you're just following my hotel.
Just remember I was on But yeah, they were like,
can you be at the Opry House tomorrow? What is
(16:51):
he either filming this pilot? It's it's it. They think
it's going to go. They need a background singer for
Connie Britton, and you know she's from Friday Night Lights.
She was and she was a huge star to be
there in Nashville. Everyone was flipping out that they had
Connie and that was why a big reason they thought
(17:12):
it was going to go. You know, Connie braven is
first star, and do.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You remember hearing about the pilot and thinking, oh, it's
definitely gonna go.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah. Yeah, it was was such a cool experience, and
she was playing like a faith Hill sort of character,
and yeah, so I was like, sure, I'll be there,
and I was her background singer in the band and
was amazing. Like Callie Corey, the creator of that show
and her husband t Bone has you know, renowned producer,
(17:40):
they really were adamant about like hiring real musicians and
real people who lived and worked in Nashville to be
in the show and play the roles that they were
supposed to play. So they had, you know, they had
real guitar players, just like you have real doctors on set. Yeah,
they had real guitar players making sure everyone was doing
(18:03):
the fingering right and the playing right. And the entire
band that they would hire for every scene was always
real session players or touring musicians. So I met a
ton of people like back doing background with me who
have gone on to you know, play for Kelly Clarkson
(18:23):
and and.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So then where you hired for every episode, like every
episode they needed someone where you consistently and it was
for a.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
While, Yeah, they started changing things up. I think it's
probably maybe second season. And that was partially because they
they couldn't, you know, give us any kind of retainer,
like can you be here. So people would get jobs
and we'd be touring, we'd be doing other.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Tours or whatever, and they have to bring someone else
and then they can bring you back. So okay, so
this is where you met. We had a lot of
questions about this. This is where you met Chris Carmack
for the first time. Do you remember seeing Chris for
the first time.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I do. Did you think that, Do you think, okay,
we need to tell that story.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah? Did you think, oh my god, he's so hot?
Or were you like, I roll another actor?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know what? His reputation preceded him. I was really
good friends with Sam, his his co actor, the guy
who played Gunner I played. I played in Sam's band,
and Sam had told me all about him. He was like, Oh,
this new guy is here. He works out all the time.
He's telling me about how he's in the gym with him,
(19:35):
he's super ripped. Can he tell me he was on OC? Yeah?
So I I guess I just had this assumption he
was going to be so arrogant. Yeah. I don't know why,
just you know, a buff guy who had been on
the se you make.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
First off, he played Luke on the OC. Yeah, and
Luke was a dick.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah he was. It's like he's known as the
bad boy. Then he's like, there's a new guy, Kennedy.
He's in the gym all the time. I'm like, yeah, yeah, right.
I was like, oh, this guy's gonna be yes. And
so when I met him, it was iron like, oh great,
this guy hi. And I know I couldn't have been
more wrong, because I'm sure, as you you know Chris,
(20:16):
he's he's such a gentleman, very humble. Ye. Nothing, he
doesn't look his personality and the way he looks, don't Matt,
don't go they thank God.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean I have to say that I think that
because of social media, fans have gotten to know at
this point that he's not like the Abercrombie.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know, he's not Luke, right, He's he's now an actor. Yeah.
I don't know if you know this, but I know
Chris de side of the story of you. Oh what
is it?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Remember no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
He remembers that it was so sweet because I think
this is like way way way back when, and we
were talking about how we you know, met our partners,
and I was talking about like, you know, waiting titles
with Matt, and I thought Matt was like, really boring.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I've talked about this before. I thought he was so boring.
I was like, he doesn't talk.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's more best if we were like on the same
shift together.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I was disappointed.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Really, yes, that is so fun and obviously things changed people.
But so when I asked Chris about you, he had
the sweetest story. This is exactly what I would want
to hear if I was like you. And it basically
was that he saw you and then you were obviously beautiful,
(21:33):
and then he realized how talented you were and he
was just like really taken by you and your He
he said that just basically like your personality was just
so bright and you were so shimmery and shiny basically,
and it was.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Like such a cute story. And here I am being like, well,
I thought my hansband was so boring. Ask him what
he thinks about me? Now? No, no, of course it's
all shiny is not very.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Like children, and the shiny can be really hard.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Having that like mystic attitude all the time.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, so then you learned that he was like not douchebag, right, Yes,
I spent some time hanging out with him. Yeah, what's
interesting is sort of like Joe and Link.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
We were just friends for a while, yes, and then
he dated several girls that I would always get along
with because I would get invited to hang.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Out with this group of So you were kind of
watching him go through cycle through something else.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh yeah, and I thought I was not his type. Okay,
I was like Chris carmag and I are never going
to happen. Not that I was feel like he was
your type.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Like had you dated guys before though, was you know,
like that looked like him or was like him?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, he's not your type. I think I always went
for like small artistic music guys, you know, very you know,
tortured artist, yea, tortured artists. Tortured artist. Yeah, Chris is not.
He doesn't give tortured artists does. He might be one,
but he doesn't give it. He doesn't give it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yes, I could see that he could. Yeah, he mind
me a little bit, but no, he's not. It's not
like you know. Yeah, so yeah, I know. I So
you did not feel like you were his type. He
was technically not your type, but were as he was
like dating out the girls, were you developing feelings?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, this is an interesting story and I made sure
it was okay. I told it, okay, I love it. Exclusive.
We were We were just friends for probably about a
year and he texted like the group chat even back then,
and he said, hey, guys, my girlfriend can't come to
this comedy show. I got tickets for a while ago,
and he seemed kind of pissed. Yeah, okay, and he
(23:54):
was like, is anybody free tonight to come? And I
don't know. I was feeling outgoing, I was feeling extroverted,
and I was like, yeah, i'll come, and.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Okay, when you be honest, when you were like yeah,
i'll come, was there a party part of you that
was like i'll come.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know. I don't know. I don't think so. I
just wanted to get to know him. I think I
had seen him perform as well recently. I had seen
him perform and I was super impressed. I was like,
this guy's a great musician. So yeah, I had like
a lot of respect for Chris and I loved their
friend group. I loved, you know, hanging out with all
(24:32):
of them, and I thought, oh, this is the opportunity
to like, yeah, see yeah he hang out and no,
we were all talking about hanging out as a group later,
so I thought, oh, I'll go to the show. I
don't have anything to do so anyway, So yeah, I
don't know what he was expecting when I when I
answered the text. But but we went together and it,
(24:55):
I mean, it'd be lying if I didn't say it
felt like we were on a date all of a sudden,
because Chris is such a gentleman, you know, like he's
gonna open the door for you, and he's gonna pull
out the chair for you, and he's gonna pay, and
he's gonna be like he really treats you so well.
And I think that's just how he was raised to
treat women very respectfully and he does that to everyone.
And but we had a great time. Uh you know,
(25:20):
we ended up paying. Feel like he does have all
those things.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, but I'm assuming that there was that that's you know,
his like gentleman thisess.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm assuming that there was also that like chemistry. Yeah,
I think there was to make it feel like a date.
There was deff. I think there was chemistry. I asked him,
and I think he said that he felt there was
a little chemistry. I'm assuming.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, who made the first move, first kiss move?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That that was Chris? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he invited
me over to that Like a couple of months go
by and we had this like faux date.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Was it clear that at that point it was a
date because your guys are friend and so, like, was.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It liked it? How did it? What made it different
than just be like, hey you want to go grab something?
Like was it obvious like hey do you want to?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You mean that when he made the move? Yes, yes,
because he specifically texted me, can you come over and
hang out? Like he never would just specifically text me,
you know, he would maybe text the group chat or
or there would be an event we're all going to
moved off the group chat.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I got a personal text from him, And I
think I was about to go out on tour for
like three weeks and I couldn't even the first time
he texted me personally, And I love this. This is weird, Like,
you know, Karmak never just texts me. Yeah, And so
I couldn't come, and then I love, Actually, I really
love this part of the story where you're like, I
just don't. I'm on tour, I can't. Yeah, I was
(26:47):
like not going to be there in town. And then
I got back in town and I don't know how
he reconnected or I texted him or whatever, but then
he invited me again to It was Memorial Day and
he invited me. His best friend was there with his
girlfriend and it was just Chris and me, and then
later that night he made a move and from then.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
On were you guys together. Did you ever do like
the make up breakup situation a lot of people will
do before.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
They get married. Yeah, No, we never had an official
break We went through a little rough patch. We always
worked through it, and I.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Think it's all working through it obviously that makes for
a successful relationship.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, oh, one hundred. Yeah. I mean it's a little
different once you have kids and you're married and you
have a rough patch, you're like, Okay, well I don't
think anyone's going anywhere because we had a little fight.
But yeah, when you're just dating, it's a little scarier.
It is scarier.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, so we'd like to go through that and to
stick with it together, I think says a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah. Yeah, even back then he was committed to trying.
You know, I think we even talked to a therapist
of your time.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You're talking about this because we talk a lot of
times about therapy and it's so nice and relatable to hear, like, hey,
we got couple therapy even early on in dating to
work through some stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, it's it was amazingly helpful. I mean even to
take a step back and look at myself and the
way I grew up and like the my tendencies that
I didn't realize I had. You know, it's it's so helpful.
So I wish we should do more of it. I
think everyone should do it.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I mean, Matt was on here and we were talking
about couple Star because we haven't done it, and we're
joking about how we we probably do need it because
everyone should.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Have it've done it? Ever? No? Oh really no, but
we do.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
We've said this on the podcast. We use it as
a threat sometimes like, oh, really, guess what steps a
couple therapy?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh, And it's like every time it is a threat
because really, every time we fight, I'm like, we need
to call the therapist. Yeah, get Barbara on the phone
for emergency zoom exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So we have a lot of people. It's summertime. People
are planning weddings. I just got married. I've seen the pictures.
Beautiful wedding.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What is one piece of advice you would give two
brides for the day, Because I what I have said before,
My answer has always been that I limited the time.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It took to take pictures. I gave like a hard out.
Is there something that you if you could go back
and change that you would change? Well, I mean this
is sort of the opposite answer is that I we
did one of those like all inclusive wedding places. Okay,
I mean I cannot recommend that enough. Well, I love
it because tell me why they do it all for you?
(29:58):
It is such a stress free day. You just get
to show up and be the star of your show.
I mean you do they do like the flowers and everything. Yes,
they do the flowers, They do the food, the catering,
the decorations on the table, they do the photo. Well, no,
you get your own photographer. But then they coordinate with them.
They sort of have vendors that they use. Yes, and
so you you have to pick a few, but for
(30:19):
the most part, they have the catering down, they have
the the florists, all the decorations, the lighting, the I
mean just almost everything they think of for you, the transport,
the Did you feel relaxed on the day that knowing
it was all taken care of? I feel like I did.
I did. That's amazing, it was really nice. Yeah. I
(30:41):
cannot recommend something like that enough. But yeah, I also
wish we had made more time for family, because I mean,
I had cousins and relatives and people who like have
passed away since our wedding that you know, they traveled
and you get to see them for ten minutes and
then you can talk to other people. Have so many
peopeople there, and I don't know, I don't know what
(31:02):
the solution is for that, but I wish there had
been a way to really, you know, have quality time
with all of your guests.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But it's so hard because did you feel like you
had quality time with Chris? Because Matt and I literally
were talking about this with a couple of the other day.
They're about to get married, and we felt like we
didn't see each other much. Yeah, in the wedding I
mean we were trying to sort of host, right, we
also had and so she was two, and so we
were like Matt had to write yes too, and so
(31:31):
I don't know if you had to do this, but
we'd like.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
We had to go, one of us had to go
put her down to bet. Oh wow. Yeah, well we
had my we had both of our parents sets of
parents there who were designated, and we also had we
had like a babysitter come and take care of all
the young kids, so they were all together. So wait,
that's a great idea. Yeah, that's a good if you
have kids. Yeah, get coming to the wedding. Gets to
hire someone, hire someone absolutely. Oh you see the baby. Yes, yeah,
(31:57):
we had little kids area like tucked away and they
all went and the kids table and they had their
like chicken fingers and their coloring books.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
And wait, this is an amazing I have never a
thought of this or heard of this.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Oh yeah, see.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I would take it a step further and just make
like a jail, did I mean, like where they just
literally can't come out, Like do you just throw a
chicken finger in and.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Then you walk away, lock them up and then when
you're done, Mommy's got to Espresso Martina during the baby finger.
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I love Okay, that's amazing. Okay, So you guys got
married in twenty eighteen. Yeah, and then that was the
same year if he got graced onto.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Me, yes, yeah, I don't know. If you use that,
he would come back like every weekend. Yes, I do
remember a lot of caramel back and forth.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And then how did you feel about having to move
a young family to Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Sounds tough. That was tough moving, you know, especially going
from a place where the cost of living is lower,
and you had community complain about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
No, I know community and community because we have a
lot of people writing and talking about how with this
All the time you have people saying, I just moved
to a new town.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I have no idea how to make friends, Like it's
very hard. That's so hard. Yeah, I mean I still
have made very, very few friends. But partially, I mean
I'm so busy that I know, I feel bad I
can't commit to when when you know people do reach
out to try to make a relationship, I'm limited in
(33:45):
the time I have. I think that's very something, very
a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It is also I feel like there's a lot of
times where truthfully, I want to like when Matt comes home,
I want to spend time with him, right, instead of
just bounce all the time. Hm.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And so it's really careful.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It's a really hard balance of like putting in an
effort with your friends, your family, your kids, or you know,
all of it.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's yeah, it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. And and to your point,
you know, before I had kids, when I was in
my early twenties and whatever, and I was having fun
in Nashville making all my friends. It's like they're all
still there in Nashville, yeah, or my old friends from
high school or New York or East Coast, and so yeah,
(34:30):
when once you move from a place you've spent you know,
your young adulthood. Yeah, and you moved to a completely
different city, people sort of already are in their grooves too.
They have their friends, they have their families, and you know,
I do find that like when Kai started kindergarten, we
were in the Lacannyata area, and that's that's a great
(34:54):
time to make a lot of.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That's how friends, right, that's how I felt like I
met mommy friends. I feel like once Hayden Star School.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I was so confused.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
A lot of my friends did not have kids yet,
and so I was so confused, like.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Where do I find moms? It's hard in a big
city like Los Angeles. It's just not like, I mean,
you grew up in a different country, but I grew
up in a small town in upstate New York, and
it was just hardly anyone left, hardly anyone came. It
was the same people our whole lives. And I mean,
in a way that's kind of nice.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Do you feel like you would ever want your family
to move back to where you grew up if you
could move anywhere with them, like sometimes would you would
you go to Nashville or would you take them back
home to New York.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think there's a lot of advantages to being in
this more metropolitan area Los Angeles, Nashville that I totally
missed out on. And even though I loved my childhood,
I loved my you know, teenage years, I do I
wish I had been a little more exposed to you know,
the culture and and just everything of that. I sort
(36:02):
of had a rude awakening when I got to college. Yeah,
So yeah, No, I think I think Nashville or I mean,
I'm really happy where we are now, Like outside of Pasadena,
It's it's so sweet there. It's very neighborhoodie. But you
know we're it could be downtown LA in thirty minutes. Yeah,
(36:23):
it's true. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I I do think it's advantages to living in Los Angeles.
I do think as a new mommy having moved to
the area, it's it's a tough it is a tough city,
and it's that's a really relatable thing I think for
a lot of a lot of people. Yeah, okay, let's
get into.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Okay, your wedding.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I do have a question about your wedding because Link
and Joe just got married on Grace Now. Oh yes,
and he's song he's they had him sing his wedding vows.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
If Chris had reached for his guitar and started saying
to you.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
His vows, would you have been like, are you kidding me?
The guitar dome? Okay, have three otions? Are you would
like this is a fine line, this is about you
or me? Would you have been like, you know what, let's.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Have a battle and pick up your violin and be
like it's on. Or would you just like melted and
loved it because I feel like this has been a
little polarizing. Some fans have been like this is too
much or she yeah, and now the.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Fans are like, of course they love it. I when
when he told me, I mean, obviously I knew like
he was working on the song NonStop when he was
helping write it, so I knew it was this was happening.
And I was kind of like, oh, is Camilla gonna
like that? I mean to stare at you while young?
Was she gonna hate this girl? After three hours? We
(37:56):
just used air plugs. Yeah, I just I put my
own pods in. I listened to a little you know
lady God. Yeah, yeah, I don't blame you. I kidding, Chris.
I loved it. I was in it every time. I know,
but I have to say when I watched it, I
was crying too. You got it. You did such an
amazing job not making it feel ick. I thought he
(38:19):
sold it really well. He did. He did, and that's
that's hard to sell you.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No, it's it's not easy. It's a fine line. It
could have been super cringey. I was felt very heartful,
but I know it was would you for.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Your own wedding, would you for just a song? Free? Yeah?
I mean I think so. Look if he had done it,
I think it would be something I'd look back and say,
what a romantic gesture like it would be fairytale level story.
But in the moment, I mean, I was picturing myself
and picturing you being me, like, what is Camila gonna
(38:51):
think this guy for real?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Or I'm not sure the wedding would have happened if
Chris's song the lyrics, we don't. I don't know if
Aaron would have you know, been on the horse riding away.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But no, I you know, for our engagement, though he did,
he didn't play, but he hired. This is very romantic
of him for when he asked, guy, ton't know this story? Ok, guy,
this is a good story. He rented out the rooftop
of this hotel in New York that that I loved.
It's like no longer in existence. It was called the
Nomad Hotel. Okay, thought we were going to visit a
friend and he hits the up button and that's where
(39:30):
I knew something's happening here.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And did you think engagement or did your mind kind
of god feeling had a feeling my nails done?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yes, who was on tour with me to convince me
to get my nails done? Yeah, so smart, good job.
He did really good and he had her come even
to take pictures. And so then we get to the top,
the elevator opens and he hired a jazz quartet to
play music for us, which was really cool because it
(40:00):
was songs that we had been playing together violin and guitar.
So it was like all very thoughtful, and he had
champagne and then yeah, he got down on his knee
and he had the ring and I was really impressed.
Beyond this is like this is like Sleepless in Seattle,
like movie movie impressed. It was it was my one
(40:24):
romantic gesture that because he didn't sing his vows so
he didn't sing his vowel.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So you know what, Honestly, I'm gonna tell you something,
I kind of would have liked that.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You liked that champagne.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I can't, I know, I know, listend to be in
the hospital.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's not the same jazz Corte to the good job
Carmat and I mean he was he wanted to work
fast because we were I was in New York on
a tour, so we weren't there very long. It wasn't
didn't really I am so impressed. Okay, so this is no,
(41:07):
this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
So now you guys, you have two kids, and what
I feel like people have just fallen in love with
you for is the social media.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
So we have to talk about it. First of all,
I want.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
To know because recently your social media has been you
playing a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Of pranks on Chris.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I want to know where you get these. I'm like,
where are the ideas from?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I'm in my pranking era? Is it just honestly you
thinking crazy things up? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I mean like like you went to the beach and
you pretend to eat sand and it was just like,
how did you even think about the cookies?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Like, I don't want to copy other people prank their husbands.
I don't want to copy people. Like I've always been
Christ and I both we've always been like on social media,
we're doing this. We want to be original content creators. Yeah,
and like we don't want to just do the same
you know whatever. Yeah, so yeah, I'm always trying to
be original. And you know I had done I think
(42:04):
I had done like a more simple version where I
had switched a wine bottle out with grape juice and
people had loved that. Right, Yeah, this is why you
were like early morning drinking.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yes, early morning drinking, and you're like, oh god, he
was okay, So we have I have logistical questions when
I watched this is your phone set up on the
counter recording him?
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Is that how you're catching his reaction? Because sometimes you
have more than one jingle? So we started out. It
was a lot easier when we first started because Chris
didn't know. I was just trying to get his reaction
on things so I could set up the phone and
and he honestly has no idea. That's what You're well
for the most part, like he might figure out something's up,
especially now because I'm always ranking him. Yeah, doesn't know.
(42:50):
Everyone's like, how does he not know that she's pranking you?
But the thing is he might know that something is up.
He might even spot in one of the hidden cameras,
but he doesn't know what I'm doing. Like people, I
tell people in the beginning of the video what I'm doing,
so everyone knows and they think, oh, this is obvious.
How does he not know?
Speaker 3 (43:07):
But he doesn't because I don't tell him at the
beginning of the pace, so he might spy.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
The cameras and realize something's going to be a miss
at some point, but might not know.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
So when he comes out and you like bought new
shoes or like the shorts, he was he by the
end of that prank, he definitely thought like, she's got
to be pranking me. But I don't know what this
is about, Like way until listeners, I haven't seen this,
like a couple of your tops. Yeah okay, well okay,
(43:38):
so we said switching out the wine for grape juice.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
So yeah, you downing a bottle of grape sing in
the morning, and he thought.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It was wine. Then there was the beach. I picked
up a bucket of sand, which I had, you know,
hidden my own prop bucket of sand. I switched them
out and I pretended that I was doing like I
talked to my camera, yeah, like you can eat the sand.
It's actually safe and healthy. And I start just you know,
downing the sand.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
It looks so real, even though I knew it wasn't real.
I was grossed out.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, it was really great, and it really made me choke,
Like I was eating a bunch of sand. So it
was it was a very realistic moment. At least it
tasted good.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
But you also, okay, the peaches. Can you talk to
them about the peaches and the eggs?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Oh and the eggs. Oh my mom loves that one. Yeah,
it's so good. You know what I do sometimes like
I'll come up with how can I switch out you know,
a raw egg? And I will google actually follow this
guy on YouTube and it's Scott prop and Roll and
he is a prop master in Los Angeles and you
might know him. And he shows everyone like secrets behind
(44:47):
the cameras of how they make props. So I got
the egg idea from him. The sand idea, I just
figured it out and I googled on Reddit somebody had
said make fake sand this way. But so she took
can she took a bunch of eggs and you switch
the yolk with peaches. My god, this was an elaborate one.
I did buy this special device that cracks an egg
(45:09):
like as perfectly as you can crack it, because I
took I took the shells of an egg. I know
it's insane. Too much time, everyone have too much time. No,
you don't even have time. You don't have.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
This is what's so crazy to you don't have any time.
I know how busy you are, so the setup, I'm like,
this is incredible that you're able.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
To do this. It's it's definitely And then Chris I
have to do when he's doing yard work or something,
so he's coming in the house and don't like run
in my bathroom. No. So I cracked the egg. I
dumped the yolks out, and then I boiled the eggs
because I wanted them to be clean because I'm going
to actually eat. Yes, I had these oiled shells that
I was trying to hold together, and I was like,
(45:49):
if he looks closely, he's gonna see. But what I
did is I made a fake raw egg. This was
a trick from a prop master. You can use peaches
and thickened water, so I bought there's actually something powder
you can buy on Amazon that thickens a liquid so
you can thicken the water. And then I put the peaches.
(46:09):
You know, I cut them in round circles. It really
looks like an egg. Put it in the shell. I
was going to try to glue it. That wasn't working out,
so put I'm back in the carton, and then I
pulled him out and I was like, all right, Chris,
you know I'm going to make some answer everybody. And
so he really was not suspecting that I put all
that work into a break that same Yeah, are you
(46:31):
feeling the pressure to just now? Yeah? I know your question. Yes, yes,
they have to get better and better. And I'm like, Chris,
I don't know what it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I feel like you should be like hosting. I feel
like you should be hosting like an America's you know,
funniest I feel like you should be hosting a show.
It feels like a pink show, like I think, put
this out there for Hollywood, for Aaron, because there's no
more perfect a person to be doing a show like that.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Let's put it out Sons, thank you, Hey everyone.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
We're gonna call it the end of the episode, but
stay tuned for part two because we are not done chatting.
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