July 10, 2025 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello, call the crew, and
welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is.
(00:22):
This is part two with my sister wife Eron, and
we're just gonna jump right back into it. Okay, so
let's talk a little bit again about Grey's anatomy. Would
you date Lank? Be honest? Oh my god, and you
if your reason, your reason is either way, you're yes
(00:42):
or your no? I need like why?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I mean, because Link is so similar to Chris in
a way.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
He thinks that he's really different to Link.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
He does, yes, okay, I'm he definitely has his moments
where he's moodier than Link. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Link is pretty level headed, right yeah, Link is? He
does enough, but he's pretty level headed.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I just I guess I just associate the two
is so similar. But I don't think I would seek
Link out.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Okay, why because his schedule sucks? Schedule sucks?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Right? Because?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yes? Okay? What is it about Link that maybe isn't
as cute to you as Chris?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, he's so nice? Is he almost too too perfect? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think he's a little edge.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, I think a lot of girls can relate to that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Right Yeah. And I mean I think if Link was
a real person, I'm sure he'd I mean, he's a
real person.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
He's not a real person, he's a real person on our.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Show, on your show. Yeah, I feel like there'd be
all these dimensions that we don't see because yeah, I mean,
you guys are true, I don't know thirty seconds scene, Yeah,
you don't know anyway, you would want a little more
bad boy. Yeah. I think I probably always went for
a little more bad boy, Like I said, tortured, a
little more torture. Yeah. But I mean if Link was
(02:22):
pursuing me, and he's a doctor, you know, he's a surgeon.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Would you try to Link to you?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yes, I think I think so too.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I think I trust any of the doctors, would you. Well,
I mean, you guys are like the top of your fields, right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well, I think a lot of Honestly, I think it
was this all the time. If an ambulance was pulling
up to Gray's Glow Memorial, I was in it right
Like I'm the patient. I secret I'm like keep sucking.
Because the disasters that happened at our hospital. I'm like,
I don't care, take me home.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I've seen some people's really hilarious takes on doctors in
Gray's Anatomy, where it's like someone is dying or cannot breathe. Yeah,
just like so I love you and he's like a
relationship conflicts dying.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
If you roll up to Gray's Anatomy and your surgeon
is going through a breakup, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Very fine, very funny stuff. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
If you could be on the show, would you want
a guest star or recur or series regular as a
doctor or patient?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well yeah, no, hell no, I do not want to
be a patient.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
If you're dying, you're most likely dying at the point
you are dying, something you have recurring arc.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yes, yes, it's you're coming back and dying like in
three stas.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yes, yes, okay, So doctor is your answer?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah? Specialty dermatology. Oh my god, wait, I mean I
sometimes I regret that I did not become a Derman patologist, because, like,
what better profession. You're just you're helping people do best.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I don't think we ever had a dermatologistic race onching
someone coming in and being like, oh my God, I
have a pimple and you're like, I'll take it from here. Guys,
they're like page Aaron, You're like I've got it, and
you're like on top of them on like that's amazing. Yeah,
that's I love this answer.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I would because I mean, I'm sure you know dermatologists
see some terrible stuff too, but I think I just
a doctor. I just don't want to. I just don't
want to see really sad stuff. And I mean, i
mean all doctors probably do, but yes, yes, no.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I no, no, I see it. That's why trauma. I've
always thought the trauma is like what Owen has done, Yeah,
and looks so cool, but you're dealing with horrific cases
every time. This is why Jonah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And delivering babies.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's wonderful too. I love the delivering of the babies,
and I would that would probably be my second choice.
But dermatology because you get you get like discounted rates
on everything you do.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I'm paid so right now I could have a facelift
at Like, I know, this is amazing. So I'm feeling
like joke, like deliver a baby and then Link's like
where are you going? She's like I have an appointment
with doctor Aaron and it's like you're giving me my botox.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I won't give you everything. Yes, can you please make
this happen?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Nobody.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know if anyone's given that answer ever you
actually thought that about Like in my life, I've thought
many times I wish I could.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Become Listen, if you ever changed careers and you want
to do that, I will be.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I do go into plastic surgery. You need to classic
surgery to give us both of our faces. Totally.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Okay, we're gonna play a little game. Okay, Mary fuck killed. Okay,
here are your options. Link is one of them. They're
gonna be your your husband's three of your husband's characters,
Luke from the O C and Will from Nashville. Okay, Okay,
(06:05):
wherever you want to start, wherever it takes your ar.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, all right, Well I think Luke is fuck. Oh
my god, I thought you were gonna say kill Oh really? Yes?
Well no, because I got such a redeeming arc.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Did you watch like I did? I did? I did.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I want becomes a good guy.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I think I think bad I think of him as
like bad boy. Yeah, but Luke.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I look at I mean pictures of Chris when
he was like in his early twenties are like, Yes,
I wish I knew you back then. It's not there. No,
we make a lot of posts about that. People are
well aware.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I know I'm well aware. We've also posted Okay, wow,
that was not what I was expecting. Was it what
you guys were expecting?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, So what would you do to Lee? Do I
get to ask you?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Okay, I'll go after.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'll go after Okay, okay, all right, Will Lexington he's tortured.
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't want to kill Oh my god, you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Kill No, No, you have to kill somebody, Okay, Oh god?
All right, Well then I guess I have no.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Just do it, Aaron, do what you need to do.
What's in your heart? My god, what's your heart telling you? No?
But I love Will. No need to kill Link, I
need to kill.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Okay, but no, because you know we would never have
a happy relationship. So I have to. I have to
kill Will because I mean he married he actually married
a girl in the show. He had like a faux
marriage before he comes out. Yes, and you know they
were just so unhappy and that would be me so
that's true.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That would be you. Okay, so Link survives I.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Marry Link, you married Link? Okay, I think why I
would full circle, sister.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Honestly, I think that I think I have to do
the same as you. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna kill Luke.
I was That was my instinct. But hearing you out,
I understand the pick.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Could it be? I mean, Julie Cooper that's Ris's mom? Yes, wow,
I mean, I mean it was pretty good scene.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That was a pretty good scene. Listen, Chris, you appreciate
it differently, age, I know, I know. Are you do
you get sick of because you made a post about
and this really made me laugh. And I've been on
the other side of it too, because people recognize Matt
being the person who's the picture taker. Oh, when you're
out about people recognize him as what you like? Yeah?
(08:48):
Is it? Is it? Do you find it annoying?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't find it annoying.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
No, I like I'm usually like, I'm really happy when
when people recognize Chris and love and are huge fans.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Recognizing you too, Like now it's starting to be a
little more.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, like I love your page, I follow you both,
but I think at the end of the day, like
people want their picture with Chris. I mean, he's their
great's anatomy, you know, their stand. So I'm always just
happy to be honest because I'm like, what's good for
Chris is good family to want. I want to know
that the show is still making fans, And like when
they're super young, it's always really crazy. It's wow, this
(09:26):
whole young generation who is loving my husband on TV.
I saw that. I'm proud of him. And like when
we first started dating in Nashville, it was crazy because I.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Can't imagine what that was like.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Nashville is not a place. I'm sure Jess is dealing
with this right now. People do not expect to see
movie stars or TV stars or anything in Nashville. Like
they'll they'll see Keith Urban on the street and they'll
be like, oh, there's Keith Urban. But if they see
Connie Written or you know, probably anyone on the show
she's working with right now, they get real excited. And
(10:00):
you know, I'd be out dating Chris and we'd be
at the bar and late at night, and these bachelorette
parties are there and these girls are like completely wasted. Yeah,
I know who you are or I don't know who
you are, but you look very Can I get a
picture with you anyway?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, So you feel like you had you were even
in the early days, it was like this is what
it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, I was early introduced to that. I think,
I would say in La it's less like people are
a little more chill about it. They're not as Yeah,
they're too I think. So.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah. I think only place that I feel like and
we've b this is Disneylandneyland. So and I have been
to Disneyland, I think twice.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Three times, maybe three times, maybe three times.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
No, we were we've been. We've been to disneylande. Yeah,
our families have gone together. It's always really fun. You
don't love about disney landing with you. I think that
you can only Disneyland with certain people. You have to
be picky because you know that your kids at some
point are gonna have a meltdown.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You melt down, yet you're.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Gonna like be reprimanding them. You're hot, you're sweaty, you're
over it. At some point you need a shot over
here in California Adventure. At some point you need like
another family that are not gonna judge you at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah right, because it's.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Gonna go down, that's the truth. Yes, And I love
disney landing with you guys because I know that at
no point if not and I like hate it, get
right that you guys will be like sight like, oh
my god, you've heard mee yes, no, yeah, exactly right,
like there's no judgment. So I love disney Landing with
you guys. Yes, I will go anytime.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
What is your favorite ride?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
My favorite ride? Yes, I was thinking about that. God, well,
I personally loved cars. I loved it Cars too. I
haven't been back on it since we went with you
because now I have cl and she's too small.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And you were pregnant one time, and you can go.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I know, my favorite ride, I can't even go on it,
but you know, I love any ride that the kids are.
The kids see like an animatronic off and the faces
are just I know, I'm like, this is amazing. Yes,
worth every minute.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Least favorite ride, oh my god, any any of those
that I'm like Matt any that go circular.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I don't know that Matt gets well, he hates any
roller coaster, but he gets me sick. I'm like mad
on anything matter.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
We were very We're not going on this one.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Watch no, I I I loved going to Disney, and
but that is the place that I feel like we
do get.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes, well, because there's people coming from all over the
country or the world, right, Yeah, and that's not just.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But it is that I have to say it's a
comment because I do always feel like we're on the air.
That's why we're still on the air.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, you guys, you guys have a huge fan base. No, exactly.
I love to see it. I love to see the
fans coming up.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And it's yeah, with any fan base comes the positive
and the negative. And now you are on social media
and you have a lot of views, you have a
lot of followers, do you have do you ever have
negative comments? And then does it affect you? How do
you deal with that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No, I mean we have the negative comments.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Do you read them or are you someone that like doesn't.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I used to probably read every single one, and I
mean it's just terrible. So there's someone that are so
shallow and it's like it's like people hiding behind their
you know, avatars, and yeah, just like when people drive badly.
They think they can treat you worse because you can't
see their face or whatever. So it's annoying. But and
(13:44):
sometimes I used to get pretty upset. And it was
the first time for me, you know, being in front
of a really large audience. So when I did music
and stuff, maybe I got a review or something, but
it was always nice. It was always like just positive stuff.
So this was opening myself up to the world that
you and Chris have been in front of it for
(14:05):
a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But yes, he care though if it's directed at you.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, yeah, And I would talk to him about it sometimes,
especially in the beginning when I would get really you know,
sometimes I get upset, but he he had great advice.
And ultimately I think it's just now I don't look
at them. I don't really care. I think if they're
writing bad comments, then people are watching, a lot of
(14:29):
people are watching, and that's great because that's what we're
trying to do. The view exactly. Thanks for the engagement, Yeah, totally. Yeah,
And I have definitely realized that, I mean, it's not
just me. People people will find a way to you know,
hate on anyone for anything, and you know, it certainly
(14:49):
makes me want to add more positivity into the cyber sphere,
like when I comment, I want to be nicer to people.
I want to you know, engage more and in a
positive way. But yeah, whatever, you know, like I said,
it's it's it means they're watching and now I sometimes
I'll look and I'll block or I'll delete a bunch
(15:11):
of comments.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I love a mute er. Yeah, do you know where
I love a mute because if you if you block,
and I do block, but if you block, they know
that you've blocked them, right. But I quite like a
mute because it feels like they don't know that you've
paid any attention and you still don't get to see it.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, sometimes I like a mute.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I do a block so smart, yeah, because it is
like a bully where if they know they're affecting you.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Then they're I always worry that someone's going to make
another account to and like just get you from that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Oh they will. They don't add to Chris, we had
so I feel like that's why they mute.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
They think that you're.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Still seeing it and you're like ignoring it. That's so smart,
that's so smart. Yeah, even I mean even Chris, like,
our second post we ever made, I think that went
really viral. He was answering a lot of comments because
they were being nasty about just the content we posted,
and then he quickly realized it was, you know, a
very pointless quest now to continue to answer these comments.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But I learned that in my twenties too. I remember, like,
you know, I would have like, yeah, you know, be
late one night. I'd be scrolling, and I'd like, you
know what, let me just tell you it's that completely pointless. Yeah,
And so okay, what is one misconception that you feel
like people may have about you that you like to
(16:32):
clear up?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Well? Yeah, Actually it's funny. Sometimes I get the comment
when people want to be mean, they're like, this woman's
whole identity is her husband, and and like, you know what,
Like I get where that's all.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Your accolades, I need to go back.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, that's the funny thing. I mean. Social media is
just this small part of my life that we've been
doing for two years, three years, and I we're all
also being smart in what we post because we know
what gets views and what doesn't. Yeah, and Chris and
I we did music before we did this couple content
(17:11):
and it was very hard to get views, like people
to watch that. Yeah, so we transition to you know,
more comedy making light of Chris being an actor and
I'm being married to him. So when I post videos
that you know, touch on that, that's what goes viral
because people are very interested in watching that, and of
(17:31):
course that's what everyone sees over and over again, so
they think this is all this woman is.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But you know, I think, no, I'm really glad that
you if you're getting that comment, I'm glad you're talking
about it because I think a maybe people are understanding that,
like you're creating a brand together too. Yes, absolutely, so
you're leaning into a brand a chat and there are
not a lot of people that I see, and this
is why I think you guys get a lot of
(17:59):
viewers and people following you. There aren't a lot of
people really leaning into the my husband's an actor and
I'm not. And it's a peak behind the curtain, and
I think that's so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I love that aspect when I figured it out, and
by the way you helped me.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Get there, I did.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
How do I do it? You posted a genius reel
with Matt where you two were watching like a sex
scene with curls all the kids, oh, all the.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Kiss is like previous so much that reel was like
Grammy winning and right, well, and then you were like, Chris,
you guys should do an answer, right, So we started
brainstorming how to do it, and we came up with
this way where I'm gonna fangirl.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Over here and I love your hair, like I'm Camilla's
number one fan, and then Chris is number two. But
that and that did really well, and it made me
realize there is a huge audience everyone. All the comments
were like I always wondered what it was like to
be married to an actor, to be married to what
is it like? And and I think people assume it's
(19:04):
all glamorous or we're just I'm just you know, living
the life and hollow it and yeah, it's not like
that at all. No, it's really not so Yeah, so
that I started leaning into into that, and that's sort
of where we have to Those comments are stupid, Yeah,
no they are, they are, but like people need to
(19:24):
take the time to you know, go to my website
or whatever if they really but they're just trying to
be mean, you know, they don't really care.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They'll find the truth is that people will find anything.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, that's good possibility.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Do you ever Okay, one question was is do you
guys scroll TikTok together as a couple and get influenced together?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh? Sort of. I mean we send each other reels
a lot, so if probably, like, if you see something
you want to do with Matt, you send it to him. Yeah,
that's how it is with Chris. So we see something
that gives us an idea or we're just something funny.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Is he ever not down to do something you want
to do?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You still do it.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
He won't dance, he won't dance, he won't even do like, well,
I do very minor dances. He went, yeah, yeah, but
he's always been like, I'm not going to do a
lot of dancing. Well, he also did the Dasha dance
the boots. Yeah, that one within his shorts and his.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Shorts short. Let's talk about those shorts. Do you ever
do you ever watch those reels and think, please God, no,
like the shorts and the boots are taking it too farlines?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah? No, I mean I knew that whole thing was planned.
I mean we knew. I knew exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So did he make them himself?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He went, he went to like Walmart or Target whatever,
he bought a pair of jeans, he cut them himself. Yeah,
that was that as a whole. He got his will
Lexington hat on. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, do the girls. This is really funny because it
actually has to do with you a little bit. Hayden
just started under so she knows Kai, right, and so
she'll talk about Kin and she'd be like, oh, that's
Kay's daddy. Oh. And then recently she heard me doing
an interview outside and for the first time she was
(21:26):
really confused, and she was like, you're married to Like
you're married on the show. And I had to take
her through that I'm married on the show. Who am
I married to? Kai's daddy? And then she even said
do you have to kiss? And I was like me
and were like wow, oh God, because she was like
(21:46):
kind of horrified. Is Kai starting to learn what Chris
does for a living?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah? Now, I'd say those are very mature questions for
her age, right.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I feel like she knows now in movies that people
might smooch at the end right, and it's like she's
you know, she's you know, she's at that age where
she's starting to be like, oh my god, they kiss. Yeah,
And so I think that when she heard that I
was married on the show, she was like, did you
have to smooch? And I was like this, I didn't
know what to say. I knew to say, but I
didn't know what to say. At the same time, I
(22:18):
was like, yes, but it's not a real kiss, right,
But is kai also know it's a little bit older.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, she has not asked about the intimacy of it
at all, but she is aware that he's an actor
of course, and he's got a life on the show.
But yeah, she's never really questioned a whole lot about
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
She knows you too, and I know, I know she's
never been I don't think Hayden would have put it
together except for I was doing an interview about right
sort of finale and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, well, Chris and christas so little present. She probably
doesn't hear it much like Step of Life. I know, Yeah,
he doesn't do a whole lot, but yeah, yeah, she
she is aware that people knew who he is now
because the place is like Disneyland where they'll stop and
want his turture, And so she she knows, and I
(23:13):
think some of her friends might even be aware, but
it's still all really innocent and sweet.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You have started to teach, or you've been teaching Kai
the violin for.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
A while, Yeah, well, teaching sort of. She has a
teacher as well that we take her toes because I
tried being her sole teacher when she was young and
that was not work way too frustrated, too fast.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Because your dad taught you right, No, No, my dad
plays guitar.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I did play with my dad, yeah, okay, I grew
up playing with him, but no, neither of my parents
played violin, so I had a separate teacher. Yeah. So
they were very hands off with the violin. They just like, oh,
you're good at this.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So they went to violin at three years old.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I started because just for there was a program.
I came from the Boondogs and there was not a
whole lot going on, and my mom said that they
were offering the Suzuki program. And I was an only
child and she was just trying to find ways to
enrich my life in Liberty, New York.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And so yeah, seriously enrich because you're amazing. Do you
think that Kai would and might end up wanting to
be a musician, like because there's so much music going
on your household.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I don't know. I think she also takes it for
granted in a way that I didn't. So, you know,
time will tell. She's very good for her age. You know,
she gets a lot of praise from other adults and
whenever she does. She did a music camp and they
had a mock competition and it was kids, high school
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kids she was competing against. She got second place. What
I mean, it was a mock company, It wasn't anything.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
But that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, no's and she takes that for granted too, that
she can just play this instrument better than most people
her age. So I don't know, we'll see, because I
still have to be the one who's like, get your
violet out. We have to practice like I practice with her.
I haven't seen a whole lot of just motivation and
drive on her own too. I want to get really
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good at this, and.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't want to push it because then you don't
love it, because I feel like I so I actually
would not want Hayden to be an actor, but I
loved the musical Annie. As a kid, I always wanted
to be an actor, and if I had gotten to
do Annie, I would have been like obsessed. Right. So
she had the opportunity to do Annie, and she had
a role on Annie, and after she was done, I
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was like, oh my god, she's gonna have like loved it.
She could not have given Ah, there was like the whatever,
the opposite of like getting the acting bug was like
that was her and it was like that kind of disappointing.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It looks like exactly the same with us. It's we
just expect them to be because we're both entertainers. We're
both in music and theater and everything. And yeah, Kai's
done some theater or two. Do you love it?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And yeah, she likes it, But I don't see Yeah,
I don't see the same passion. But maybe maybe it'll come.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It is interesting when you come from parents of like
two actors or two musicians like that, you're kind of
thinking like, oh my god, they're going to be born
with the itch to do it right. It's there, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's a totally different environment for them. Yeah, And I mean,
but they surprise me all the time with things that
they love and they're good at. So I think, you know,
letting them be their own individuals. It's hard because I
just was really hard trying to just make a carbon
copy of my life.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But let's talk about motherhood really quick before you go, Sure,
what is one thing that you wish you had sort
of known about motherhood before you started? I know it's
such a big question.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No, No, I guess uh that, Like, I mean, your involvement,
your love for this human being, and your overall your
life is never going to be what it once was.
And I mean maybe I'm I mourn that, like care
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free life I had a little bit, But at the
same time, I mean, I can't imagine a world with
my kids not existing in it, Like I'm so happy
I had them, and and I wasn't. I wasn't one
of these people who grew up like I want to
have a family, I want to have two kids, I
want to get married. I I was just sort of
wing in that whole thing, like let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I was really focused on my music career, and so
when I got pregnant with Kai, I didn't know how
to feel and I, yeah, I didn't know what what
it was going to be like after I gave birth.
But then I was one of those people who gave
birth and like all the doorphins, all the serotonin. I
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was just so happy. I was so in love, changed
my world and then never gone back.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I feel like, looking back, I didn't know. I didn't
even know this existed. But now looking back, I think
I know that I had postpartum anxiety. Did you have
any experience like that with either of your girls?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I don't think. I think postpardon for me I had.
I was just really like euphoric, you know, like very Yeah,
it was en amy. I wish I could go back
to that time.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh my god, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Beforehand, I was maybe a little depressed. I was very
I mean as a pregnant person, I would get rid.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was not cute.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, I wasn't I acute either. And I also especially
the first time around, and I was like, oh my god,
my career's over, my life's over. What am I gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, it was scary. It was a very stressful time,
but you know, it all works out. They say, you know,
babies bring their their own luck, and they really.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Do I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I've never heard that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I love that I do. One thing that I wish
I had known is I really kind of pictured Hayden
as a mini meme before she was born, and I'm like,
I'm gonna know how to handle this, And she's so
different to me as a kid that it kind of
threw me, like and sometimes it still does where I'm like, Okay,
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I have to like rework how to communicate this to
her because she's not me.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yes, you'll find that one.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
One of your girls more similar to you than the other.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, it's hard to tell with the little one, even
though I think maybe she might be more more of
my disposition. But Kai is, Yeah, she's so, she is
her own person. She is very independent. She is not
a people pleaser, and I was. I was one hundred
percent of people pleaser from early childhood. I mean I
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can remember just I did not want to upset anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And I talk a lot about people pleasing on the show. Really,
do you consider yourself a former people pleaser or do
you still feel like you.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Are? I gosh, yeah, maybe I've gotten a little better
in my wisdom my age, but I think I was
always a person who had a hard time saying no.
And you know, and it's even hard with friendships and
stuff because then you get taken advantage of if you're
a person who's just always saying I'll do what you want.
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So but yeah, I mean in school, you know, grade school,
in college, in working in Nashville, I just wanted to
get it right for someone else, which I don't want
that from my kids.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
But Kai is already like screw that.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, which is great. I think it's great. I like
that she's very independent. Yeah, she's not worried about you know.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I especially like it for girls, I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's so much better then. Yeah, I mean
there there are some upsides because you're you're very polite,
and you're always you know, you're treating the room really well.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
As a parent, the non people pleaser, right as a parent,
you're just a little bit yeah yeah, just yes, just
a little pleas Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, so you know, I think it's normal though. We
all want our kids to be super well mattered, well,
really polite, do well in school, Like we have this
checklist of things. And and I as a people pleaser
as as you know, goodie two shoes, I've got great grades.
I did it. I did everything my mom wanted me
to do. I practiced. I did so remains to see
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what happens with my kids.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I know the dynamiciss it's you relearn a lot about
yourself with a kid that's not like you.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
H absolutely, yeah, no, it's interesting. And that's exactly what
I would have said about like something that I expected
is a motherhood that Yeah, this was through me for
a loop.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, before you go, I need to get really serious
with you Erin Okay, because I watch your online videos
a little bit like a stalker, and sometimes I'm just
they're very funny. But sometimes I'm just mesmerized by your
abs and I'll have to watch it again because I'm like,
are those really she's had two kids? Are those really
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her abs? And then I looked at my own stomach
and I know that for Gray's anatomy, you can't even
They don't even bother spraytating apps on me the on
for me, there's there's no there's there's no span that
could give me your aps. So before you go, spill
a little workout secret that you do, because can I
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tell you?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Can I tell you how hot I think you look
all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I listen.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Seriously, I'm so hot right now, I'm like, she's so hot.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
This is, this is, she's being very nice. What is
the worst secret so nice?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, you know what took the core into over gear
was I got into pilates. Like every are you doing
former pilates or former pilates? I'm not, you know, I'm
currently not. But I for a while, when my kids
weren't deathly ill and we had like some child care,
I would go to pilates every day.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And would you literally go every day? Well?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I did, Yes, I would go every day like five
days a week. And then and then sometimes this is
I think the best for for a shredded APPS is
you can do pilates like every other day and then
do a hit workout, some kind of hit. I don't
know if you if you like Berry's boot Camp or
Orange Theory or something where you're gonna run and like
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burn all the calories. If you can do that like
twice and you're still running, So Chris isn't so.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
And if I had a serial killer behind me, I
would just stop because there's no fucking point and we
even trying to run. I would just.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
The treadmill. I'm how are you doing that?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, I can't believe that you're literally after two children.
There is no point. I would just be like, I'll
get in the van whatever, because there's if I try
and run, you're gonna get me anyway, I'm gonna last
fifty feet.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But you know what, there's some fun classes where you
don't have to use the treadmill. Now there's I think
like Bunda, it's like Staremaster. You'd find him with with rowers.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Come work out with me. No, I do know Whyron
please want to please take me? Because I have been
pregnant with twins on Grais Naughty for three seasons and
I've been loving my life. And there's gonna be a
point where hopefully the thing fringure across right Joe is
these beautiful babies. Yeah, and then Camilla is gonna.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I need you.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's what I need. I need you. It's funny because
I was actually this is like a Freudian slip. I
was telling Matt that I was going to restart Reformer
plots right, and I was like, Matt, I'm really serious,
I'm going to get back into it. Because I was
like very into my twenties and I'm like, there's this
new place to open down the street.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
They have.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
They have all new recliners and those recliners and I go, yeah,
and I'm gonna be like he's like, you just said recliner, Like,
sign me up. That is where my head is at
right now. That is the class I want to take,
where we're just all we just can go in and
we sit in a recliner and that's the way, and
then you leave. And I was like, Okay, maybe I'm
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not ready mentally, I'm not there yet.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I know, you know, the closest you're gonna get to
recliner is the Reformer, right like yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly right.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Okay, so you guys, I'm all aeron go because she's
a busy lady. But when you eventually see Joe Wilson
without a shirt on, it'll probably be a spray tan
app but maybe one tiny ab should be because of
Aaron and I will tag her on that app.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So much for being here at me.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thank you for having me. It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You guys, I know you have more questions for her.
She will be back. We're going to steal her away
from Chris again and so send us every question you have,
and Erin thank you for being here, and let's call
it the end of the episode.
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello, call the crew, and
welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is.
(00:22):
This is part two with my sister wife Eron, and
we're just gonna jump right back into it. Okay, so
let's talk a little bit again about Grey's anatomy. Would
you date Lank? Be honest? Oh my god, and you
if your reason, your reason is either way, you're yes
(00:42):
or your no? I need like why?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I mean, because Link is so similar to Chris in
a way.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
He thinks that he's really different to Link.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
He does, yes, okay, I'm he definitely has his moments
where he's moodier than Link. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Link is pretty level headed, right yeah, Link is? He
does enough, but he's pretty level headed.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I just I guess I just associate the two
is so similar. But I don't think I would seek
Link out.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Okay, why because his schedule sucks? Schedule sucks?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Right? Because?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yes? Okay? What is it about Link that maybe isn't
as cute to you as Chris?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, he's so nice? Is he almost too too perfect? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I think he's a little edge.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, I think a lot of girls can relate to that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Right Yeah. And I mean I think if Link was
a real person, I'm sure he'd I mean, he's a
real person.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
He's not a real person, he's a real person on our.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Show, on your show. Yeah, I feel like there'd be
all these dimensions that we don't see because yeah, I mean,
you guys are true, I don't know thirty seconds scene, Yeah,
you don't know anyway, you would want a little more
bad boy. Yeah. I think I probably always went for
a little more bad boy, Like I said, tortured, a
little more torture. Yeah. But I mean if Link was
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pursuing me, and he's a doctor, you know, he's a surgeon.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Would you try to Link to you?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yes, I think I think so too.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I think I trust any of the doctors, would you. Well,
I mean, you guys are like the top of your fields, right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well, I think a lot of Honestly, I think it
was this all the time. If an ambulance was pulling
up to Gray's Glow Memorial, I was in it right
Like I'm the patient. I secret I'm like keep sucking.
Because the disasters that happened at our hospital. I'm like,
I don't care, take me home.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I've seen some people's really hilarious takes on doctors in
Gray's Anatomy, where it's like someone is dying or cannot breathe. Yeah,
just like so I love you and he's like a
relationship conflicts dying.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
If you roll up to Gray's Anatomy and your surgeon
is going through a breakup, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Very fine, very funny stuff. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
If you could be on the show, would you want
a guest star or recur or series regular as a
doctor or patient?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well yeah, no, hell no, I do not want to
be a patient.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
If you're dying, you're most likely dying at the point
you are dying, something you have recurring arc.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yes, yes, it's you're coming back and dying like in
three stas.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yes, yes, okay, So doctor is your answer?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah? Specialty dermatology. Oh my god, wait, I mean I
sometimes I regret that I did not become a Derman patologist, because, like,
what better profession. You're just you're helping people do best.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I don't think we ever had a dermatologistic race onching
someone coming in and being like, oh my God, I
have a pimple and you're like, I'll take it from here. Guys,
they're like page Aaron, You're like I've got it, and
you're like on top of them on like that's amazing. Yeah,
that's I love this answer.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I would because I mean, I'm sure you know dermatologists
see some terrible stuff too, but I think I just
a doctor. I just don't want to. I just don't
want to see really sad stuff. And I mean, i
mean all doctors probably do, but yes, yes, no.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I no, no, I see it. That's why trauma. I've
always thought the trauma is like what Owen has done, Yeah,
and looks so cool, but you're dealing with horrific cases
every time. This is why Jonah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And delivering babies.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's wonderful too. I love the delivering of the babies,
and I would that would probably be my second choice.
But dermatology because you get you get like discounted rates
on everything you do.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I'm paid so right now I could have a facelift
at Like, I know, this is amazing. So I'm feeling
like joke, like deliver a baby and then Link's like
where are you going? She's like I have an appointment
with doctor Aaron and it's like you're giving me my botox.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I won't give you everything. Yes, can you please make
this happen?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Nobody.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know if anyone's given that answer ever you
actually thought that about Like in my life, I've thought
many times I wish I could.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Become Listen, if you ever changed careers and you want
to do that, I will be.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I do go into plastic surgery. You need to classic
surgery to give us both of our faces. Totally.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Okay, we're gonna play a little game. Okay, Mary fuck killed. Okay,
here are your options. Link is one of them. They're
gonna be your your husband's three of your husband's characters,
Luke from the O C and Will from Nashville. Okay, Okay,
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wherever you want to start, wherever it takes your ar.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, all right, Well I think Luke is fuck. Oh
my god, I thought you were gonna say kill Oh really? Yes?
Well no, because I got such a redeeming arc.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Did you watch like I did? I did? I did.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I want becomes a good guy.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I think I think bad I think of him as
like bad boy. Yeah, but Luke.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I look at I mean pictures of Chris when
he was like in his early twenties are like, Yes,
I wish I knew you back then. It's not there. No,
we make a lot of posts about that. People are
well aware.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I know I'm well aware. We've also posted Okay, wow,
that was not what I was expecting. Was it what
you guys were expecting?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, So what would you do to Lee? Do I
get to ask you?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Okay, I'll go after.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'll go after Okay, okay, all right, Will Lexington he's tortured.
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't want to kill Oh my god, you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Kill No, No, you have to kill somebody, Okay, Oh god?
All right, Well then I guess I have no.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Just do it, Aaron, do what you need to do.
What's in your heart? My god, what's your heart telling you? No?
But I love Will. No need to kill Link, I
need to kill.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Okay, but no, because you know we would never have
a happy relationship. So I have to. I have to
kill Will because I mean he married he actually married
a girl in the show. He had like a faux
marriage before he comes out. Yes, and you know they
were just so unhappy and that would be me so
that's true.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That would be you. Okay, so Link survives I.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Marry Link, you married Link? Okay, I think why I
would full circle, sister.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Honestly, I think that I think I have to do
the same as you. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna kill Luke.
I was That was my instinct. But hearing you out,
I understand the pick.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Could it be? I mean, Julie Cooper that's Ris's mom? Yes, wow,
I mean, I mean it was pretty good scene.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That was a pretty good scene. Listen, Chris, you appreciate
it differently, age, I know, I know. Are you do
you get sick of because you made a post about
and this really made me laugh. And I've been on
the other side of it too, because people recognize Matt
being the person who's the picture taker. Oh, when you're
out about people recognize him as what you like? Yeah?
(08:48):
Is it? Is it? Do you find it annoying?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't find it annoying.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
No, I like I'm usually like, I'm really happy when
when people recognize Chris and love and are huge fans.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Recognizing you too, Like now it's starting to be a
little more.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, like I love your page, I follow you both,
but I think at the end of the day, like
people want their picture with Chris. I mean, he's their
great's anatomy, you know, their stand. So I'm always just
happy to be honest because I'm like, what's good for
Chris is good family to want. I want to know
that the show is still making fans, And like when
they're super young, it's always really crazy. It's wow, this
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whole young generation who is loving my husband on TV.
I saw that. I'm proud of him. And like when
we first started dating in Nashville, it was crazy because I.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Can't imagine what that was like.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Nashville is not a place. I'm sure Jess is dealing
with this right now. People do not expect to see
movie stars or TV stars or anything in Nashville. Like
they'll they'll see Keith Urban on the street and they'll
be like, oh, there's Keith Urban. But if they see
Connie Written or you know, probably anyone on the show
she's working with right now, they get real excited. And
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you know, I'd be out dating Chris and we'd be
at the bar and late at night, and these bachelorette
parties are there and these girls are like completely wasted. Yeah,
I know who you are or I don't know who
you are, but you look very Can I get a
picture with you anyway?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, So you feel like you had you were even
in the early days, it was like this is what
it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, I was early introduced to that. I think,
I would say in La it's less like people are
a little more chill about it. They're not as Yeah,
they're too I think. So.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah. I think only place that I feel like and
we've b this is Disneylandneyland. So and I have been
to Disneyland, I think twice.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Three times, maybe three times, maybe three times.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
No, we were we've been. We've been to disneylande. Yeah,
our families have gone together. It's always really fun. You
don't love about disney landing with you. I think that
you can only Disneyland with certain people. You have to
be picky because you know that your kids at some
point are gonna have a meltdown.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You melt down, yet you're.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Gonna like be reprimanding them. You're hot, you're sweaty, you're
over it. At some point you need a shot over
here in California Adventure. At some point you need like
another family that are not gonna judge you at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah right, because it's.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Gonna go down, that's the truth. Yes, And I love
disney landing with you guys because I know that at
no point if not and I like hate it, get
right that you guys will be like sight like, oh
my god, you've heard mee yes, no, yeah, exactly right,
like there's no judgment. So I love disney Landing with
you guys. Yes, I will go anytime.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
What is your favorite ride?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
My favorite ride? Yes, I was thinking about that. God, well,
I personally loved cars. I loved it Cars too. I
haven't been back on it since we went with you
because now I have cl and she's too small.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And you were pregnant one time, and you can go.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I know, my favorite ride, I can't even go on it,
but you know, I love any ride that the kids are.
The kids see like an animatronic off and the faces
are just I know, I'm like, this is amazing. Yes,
worth every minute.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Least favorite ride, oh my god, any any of those
that I'm like Matt any that go circular.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I don't know that Matt gets well, he hates any
roller coaster, but he gets me sick. I'm like mad
on anything matter.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
We were very We're not going on this one.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Watch no, I I I loved going to Disney, and
but that is the place that I feel like we
do get.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes, well, because there's people coming from all over the
country or the world, right, Yeah, and that's not just.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But it is that I have to say it's a
comment because I do always feel like we're on the air.
That's why we're still on the air.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, you guys, you guys have a huge fan base. No, exactly.
I love to see it. I love to see the
fans coming up.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And it's yeah, with any fan base comes the positive
and the negative. And now you are on social media
and you have a lot of views, you have a
lot of followers, do you have do you ever have
negative comments? And then does it affect you? How do
you deal with that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No, I mean we have the negative comments.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Do you read them or are you someone that like doesn't.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I used to probably read every single one, and I
mean it's just terrible. So there's someone that are so
shallow and it's like it's like people hiding behind their
you know, avatars, and yeah, just like when people drive badly.
They think they can treat you worse because you can't
see their face or whatever. So it's annoying. But and
(13:44):
sometimes I used to get pretty upset. And it was
the first time for me, you know, being in front
of a really large audience. So when I did music
and stuff, maybe I got a review or something, but
it was always nice. It was always like just positive stuff.
So this was opening myself up to the world that
you and Chris have been in front of it for
(14:05):
a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But yes, he care though if it's directed at you.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, yeah, And I would talk to him about it sometimes,
especially in the beginning when I would get really you know,
sometimes I get upset, but he he had great advice.
And ultimately I think it's just now I don't look
at them. I don't really care. I think if they're
writing bad comments, then people are watching, a lot of
(14:29):
people are watching, and that's great because that's what we're
trying to do. The view exactly. Thanks for the engagement, Yeah, totally. Yeah,
And I have definitely realized that, I mean, it's not
just me. People people will find a way to you know,
hate on anyone for anything, and you know, it certainly
(14:49):
makes me want to add more positivity into the cyber sphere,
like when I comment, I want to be nicer to people.
I want to you know, engage more and in a
positive way. But yeah, whatever, you know, like I said,
it's it's it means they're watching and now I sometimes
I'll look and I'll block or I'll delete a bunch
(15:11):
of comments.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I love a mute er. Yeah, do you know where
I love a mute because if you if you block,
and I do block, but if you block, they know
that you've blocked them, right. But I quite like a
mute because it feels like they don't know that you've
paid any attention and you still don't get to see it.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, sometimes I like a mute.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I do a block so smart, yeah, because it is
like a bully where if they know they're affecting you.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Then they're I always worry that someone's going to make
another account to and like just get you from that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Oh they will. They don't add to Chris, we had
so I feel like that's why they mute.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
They think that you're.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Still seeing it and you're like ignoring it. That's so smart,
that's so smart. Yeah, even I mean even Chris, like,
our second post we ever made, I think that went
really viral. He was answering a lot of comments because
they were being nasty about just the content we posted,
and then he quickly realized it was, you know, a
very pointless quest now to continue to answer these comments.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But I learned that in my twenties too. I remember, like,
you know, I would have like, yeah, you know, be
late one night. I'd be scrolling, and I'd like, you
know what, let me just tell you it's that completely pointless. Yeah,
And so okay, what is one misconception that you feel
like people may have about you that you like to
(16:32):
clear up?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Well? Yeah, Actually it's funny. Sometimes I get the comment
when people want to be mean, they're like, this woman's
whole identity is her husband, and and like, you know what,
Like I get where that's all.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Your accolades, I need to go back.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, that's the funny thing. I mean. Social media is
just this small part of my life that we've been
doing for two years, three years, and I we're all
also being smart in what we post because we know
what gets views and what doesn't. Yeah, and Chris and
I we did music before we did this couple content
(17:11):
and it was very hard to get views, like people
to watch that. Yeah, so we transition to you know,
more comedy making light of Chris being an actor and
I'm being married to him. So when I post videos
that you know, touch on that, that's what goes viral
because people are very interested in watching that, and of
(17:31):
course that's what everyone sees over and over again, so
they think this is all this woman is.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But you know, I think, no, I'm really glad that
you if you're getting that comment, I'm glad you're talking
about it because I think a maybe people are understanding that,
like you're creating a brand together too. Yes, absolutely, so
you're leaning into a brand a chat and there are
not a lot of people that I see, and this
is why I think you guys get a lot of
(17:59):
viewers and people following you. There aren't a lot of
people really leaning into the my husband's an actor and
I'm not. And it's a peak behind the curtain, and
I think that's so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I love that aspect when I figured it out, and
by the way you helped me.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Get there, I did.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
How do I do it? You posted a genius reel
with Matt where you two were watching like a sex
scene with curls all the kids, oh, all the.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Kiss is like previous so much that reel was like
Grammy winning and right, well, and then you were like, Chris,
you guys should do an answer, right, So we started
brainstorming how to do it, and we came up with
this way where I'm gonna fangirl.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Over here and I love your hair, like I'm Camilla's
number one fan, and then Chris is number two. But
that and that did really well, and it made me
realize there is a huge audience everyone. All the comments
were like I always wondered what it was like to
be married to an actor, to be married to what
is it like? And and I think people assume it's
(19:04):
all glamorous or we're just I'm just you know, living
the life and hollow it and yeah, it's not like
that at all. No, it's really not so Yeah, so
that I started leaning into into that, and that's sort
of where we have to Those comments are stupid, Yeah,
no they are, they are, but like people need to
(19:24):
take the time to you know, go to my website
or whatever if they really but they're just trying to
be mean, you know, they don't really care.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They'll find the truth is that people will find anything.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, that's good possibility.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Do you ever Okay, one question was is do you
guys scroll TikTok together as a couple and get influenced together?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh? Sort of. I mean we send each other reels
a lot, so if probably, like, if you see something
you want to do with Matt, you send it to him. Yeah,
that's how it is with Chris. So we see something
that gives us an idea or we're just something funny.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Is he ever not down to do something you want
to do?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You still do it.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
He won't dance, he won't dance, he won't even do like, well,
I do very minor dances. He went, yeah, yeah, but
he's always been like, I'm not going to do a
lot of dancing. Well, he also did the Dasha dance
the boots. Yeah, that one within his shorts and his.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Shorts short. Let's talk about those shorts. Do you ever
do you ever watch those reels and think, please God, no,
like the shorts and the boots are taking it too farlines?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah? No, I mean I knew that whole thing was planned.
I mean we knew. I knew exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
So did he make them himself?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He went, he went to like Walmart or Target whatever,
he bought a pair of jeans, he cut them himself. Yeah,
that was that as a whole. He got his will
Lexington hat on. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, do the girls. This is really funny because it
actually has to do with you a little bit. Hayden
just started under so she knows Kai, right, and so
she'll talk about Kin and she'd be like, oh, that's
Kay's daddy. Oh. And then recently she heard me doing
an interview outside and for the first time she was
(21:26):
really confused, and she was like, you're married to Like
you're married on the show. And I had to take
her through that I'm married on the show. Who am
I married to? Kai's daddy? And then she even said
do you have to kiss? And I was like me
and were like wow, oh God, because she was like
(21:46):
kind of horrified. Is Kai starting to learn what Chris
does for a living?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah? Now, I'd say those are very mature questions for
her age, right.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I feel like she knows now in movies that people
might smooch at the end right, and it's like she's
you know, she's you know, she's at that age where
she's starting to be like, oh my god, they kiss. Yeah,
And so I think that when she heard that I
was married on the show, she was like, did you
have to smooch? And I was like this, I didn't
know what to say. I knew to say, but I
didn't know what to say. At the same time, I
(22:18):
was like, yes, but it's not a real kiss, right,
But is kai also know it's a little bit older.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, she has not asked about the intimacy of it
at all, but she is aware that he's an actor
of course, and he's got a life on the show.
But yeah, she's never really questioned a whole lot about
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
She knows you too, and I know, I know she's
never been I don't think Hayden would have put it
together except for I was doing an interview about right
sort of finale and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, well, Chris and christas so little present. She probably
doesn't hear it much like Step of Life. I know, Yeah,
he doesn't do a whole lot, but yeah, yeah, she
she is aware that people knew who he is now
because the place is like Disneyland where they'll stop and
want his turture, And so she she knows, and I
(23:13):
think some of her friends might even be aware, but
it's still all really innocent and sweet.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You have started to teach, or you've been teaching Kai
the violin for.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
A while, Yeah, well, teaching sort of. She has a
teacher as well that we take her toes because I
tried being her sole teacher when she was young and
that was not work way too frustrated, too fast.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Because your dad taught you right, No, No, my dad
plays guitar.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I did play with my dad, yeah, okay, I grew
up playing with him, but no, neither of my parents
played violin, so I had a separate teacher. Yeah. So
they were very hands off with the violin. They just like, oh,
you're good at this.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So they went to violin at three years old.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I started because just for there was a program.
I came from the Boondogs and there was not a
whole lot going on, and my mom said that they
were offering the Suzuki program. And I was an only
child and she was just trying to find ways to
enrich my life in Liberty, New York.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And so yeah, seriously enrich because you're amazing. Do you
think that Kai would and might end up wanting to
be a musician, like because there's so much music going
on your household.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I don't know. I think she also takes it for
granted in a way that I didn't. So, you know,
time will tell. She's very good for her age. You know,
she gets a lot of praise from other adults and
whenever she does. She did a music camp and they
had a mock competition and it was kids, high school
(24:44):
kids she was competing against. She got second place. What
I mean, it was a mock company, It wasn't anything.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
But that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, no's and she takes that for granted too, that
she can just play this instrument better than most people
her age. So I don't know, we'll see, because I
still have to be the one who's like, get your
violet out. We have to practice like I practice with her.
I haven't seen a whole lot of just motivation and
drive on her own too. I want to get really
(25:12):
good at this, and.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't want to push it because then you don't
love it, because I feel like I so I actually
would not want Hayden to be an actor, but I
loved the musical Annie. As a kid, I always wanted
to be an actor, and if I had gotten to
do Annie, I would have been like obsessed. Right. So
she had the opportunity to do Annie, and she had
a role on Annie, and after she was done, I
(25:36):
was like, oh my god, she's gonna have like loved it.
She could not have given Ah, there was like the whatever,
the opposite of like getting the acting bug was like
that was her and it was like that kind of disappointing.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It looks like exactly the same with us. It's we
just expect them to be because we're both entertainers. We're
both in music and theater and everything. And yeah, Kai's
done some theater or two. Do you love it?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And yeah, she likes it, But I don't see Yeah,
I don't see the same passion. But maybe maybe it'll come.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It is interesting when you come from parents of like
two actors or two musicians like that, you're kind of
thinking like, oh my god, they're going to be born
with the itch to do it right. It's there, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's a totally different environment for them. Yeah, And I mean,
but they surprise me all the time with things that
they love and they're good at. So I think, you know,
letting them be their own individuals. It's hard because I
just was really hard trying to just make a carbon
copy of my life.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But let's talk about motherhood really quick before you go, Sure,
what is one thing that you wish you had sort
of known about motherhood before you started? I know it's
such a big question.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No, No, I guess uh that, Like, I mean, your involvement,
your love for this human being, and your overall your
life is never going to be what it once was.
And I mean maybe I'm I mourn that, like care
(27:22):
free life I had a little bit, But at the
same time, I mean, I can't imagine a world with
my kids not existing in it, Like I'm so happy
I had them, and and I wasn't. I wasn't one
of these people who grew up like I want to
have a family, I want to have two kids, I
want to get married. I I was just sort of
wing in that whole thing, like let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I was really focused on my music career, and so
when I got pregnant with Kai, I didn't know how
to feel and I, yeah, I didn't know what what
it was going to be like after I gave birth.
But then I was one of those people who gave
birth and like all the doorphins, all the serotonin. I
(28:04):
was just so happy. I was so in love, changed
my world and then never gone back.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I feel like, looking back, I didn't know. I didn't
even know this existed. But now looking back, I think
I know that I had postpartum anxiety. Did you have
any experience like that with either of your girls?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I don't think. I think postpardon for me I had.
I was just really like euphoric, you know, like very Yeah,
it was en amy. I wish I could go back
to that time.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh my god, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Beforehand, I was maybe a little depressed. I was very
I mean as a pregnant person, I would get rid.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was not cute.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, I wasn't I acute either. And I also especially
the first time around, and I was like, oh my god,
my career's over, my life's over. What am I gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, it was scary. It was a very stressful time,
but you know, it all works out. They say, you know,
babies bring their their own luck, and they really.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Do I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I've never heard that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I love that I do. One thing that I wish
I had known is I really kind of pictured Hayden
as a mini meme before she was born, and I'm like,
I'm gonna know how to handle this, And she's so
different to me as a kid that it kind of
threw me, like and sometimes it still does where I'm like, Okay,
(29:39):
I have to like rework how to communicate this to
her because she's not me.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yes, you'll find that one.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
One of your girls more similar to you than the other.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, it's hard to tell with the little one, even
though I think maybe she might be more more of
my disposition. But Kai is, Yeah, she's so, she is
her own person. She is very independent. She is not
a people pleaser, and I was. I was one hundred
percent of people pleaser from early childhood. I mean I
(30:12):
can remember just I did not want to upset anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And I talk a lot about people pleasing on the show. Really,
do you consider yourself a former people pleaser or do
you still feel like you.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Are? I gosh, yeah, maybe I've gotten a little better
in my wisdom my age, but I think I was
always a person who had a hard time saying no.
And you know, and it's even hard with friendships and
stuff because then you get taken advantage of if you're
a person who's just always saying I'll do what you want.
(30:47):
So but yeah, I mean in school, you know, grade school,
in college, in working in Nashville, I just wanted to
get it right for someone else, which I don't want
that from my kids.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
But Kai is already like screw that.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, which is great. I think it's great. I like
that she's very independent. Yeah, she's not worried about you know.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I especially like it for girls, I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's so much better then. Yeah, I mean
there there are some upsides because you're you're very polite,
and you're always you know, you're treating the room really well.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
As a parent, the non people pleaser, right as a parent,
you're just a little bit yeah yeah, just yes, just
a little pleas Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, so you know, I think it's normal though. We
all want our kids to be super well mattered, well,
really polite, do well in school, Like we have this
checklist of things. And and I as a people pleaser
as as you know, goodie two shoes, I've got great grades.
I did it. I did everything my mom wanted me
to do. I practiced. I did so remains to see
(31:55):
what happens with my kids.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I know the dynamiciss it's you relearn a lot about
yourself with a kid that's not like you.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
H absolutely, yeah, no, it's interesting. And that's exactly what
I would have said about like something that I expected
is a motherhood that Yeah, this was through me for
a loop.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, before you go, I need to get really serious
with you Erin Okay, because I watch your online videos
a little bit like a stalker, and sometimes I'm just
they're very funny. But sometimes I'm just mesmerized by your
abs and I'll have to watch it again because I'm like,
are those really she's had two kids? Are those really
(32:37):
her abs? And then I looked at my own stomach
and I know that for Gray's anatomy, you can't even
They don't even bother spraytating apps on me the on
for me, there's there's no there's there's no span that
could give me your aps. So before you go, spill
a little workout secret that you do, because can I
(32:58):
tell you?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Can I tell you how hot I think you look
all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I listen.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Seriously, I'm so hot right now, I'm like, she's so hot.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
This is, this is, she's being very nice. What is
the worst secret so nice?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, you know what took the core into over gear
was I got into pilates. Like every are you doing
former pilates or former pilates? I'm not, you know, I'm
currently not. But I for a while, when my kids
weren't deathly ill and we had like some child care,
I would go to pilates every day.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And would you literally go every day? Well?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I did, Yes, I would go every day like five
days a week. And then and then sometimes this is
I think the best for for a shredded APPS is
you can do pilates like every other day and then
do a hit workout, some kind of hit. I don't
know if you if you like Berry's boot Camp or
Orange Theory or something where you're gonna run and like
(33:56):
burn all the calories. If you can do that like
twice and you're still running, So Chris isn't so.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
And if I had a serial killer behind me, I
would just stop because there's no fucking point and we
even trying to run. I would just.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
The treadmill. I'm how are you doing that?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, I can't believe that you're literally after two children.
There is no point. I would just be like, I'll
get in the van whatever, because there's if I try
and run, you're gonna get me anyway, I'm gonna last
fifty feet.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But you know what, there's some fun classes where you
don't have to use the treadmill. Now there's I think
like Bunda, it's like Staremaster. You'd find him with with rowers.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Come work out with me. No, I do know Whyron
please want to please take me? Because I have been
pregnant with twins on Grais Naughty for three seasons and
I've been loving my life. And there's gonna be a
point where hopefully the thing fringure across right Joe is
these beautiful babies. Yeah, and then Camilla is gonna.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I need you.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's what I need. I need you. It's funny because
I was actually this is like a Freudian slip. I
was telling Matt that I was going to restart Reformer
plots right, and I was like, Matt, I'm really serious,
I'm going to get back into it. Because I was
like very into my twenties and I'm like, there's this
new place to open down the street.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
They have.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
They have all new recliners and those recliners and I go, yeah,
and I'm gonna be like he's like, you just said recliner, Like,
sign me up. That is where my head is at
right now. That is the class I want to take,
where we're just all we just can go in and
we sit in a recliner and that's the way, and
then you leave. And I was like, Okay, maybe I'm
(35:47):
not ready mentally, I'm not there yet.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I know, you know, the closest you're gonna get to
recliner is the Reformer, right like yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly right.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Okay, so you guys, I'm all aeron go because she's
a busy lady. But when you eventually see Joe Wilson
without a shirt on, it'll probably be a spray tan
app but maybe one tiny ab should be because of
Aaron and I will tag her on that app.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So much for being here at me.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thank you for having me. It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You guys, I know you have more questions for her.
She will be back. We're going to steal her away
from Chris again and so send us every question you have,
and Erin thank you for being here, and let's call
it the end of the episode.
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