May 26, 2025 • 43 mins
Jess & Camilla are putting on their dancing shoes because DWTS Mirror Ball-winning queen, Jenna Johnson, is here!
She talks about partner withdrawal, her dream pairing and hears why Jess & Camilla want to meet her on the dance floor to compete.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, and welcome
to another episode of Call It What It Is. Jessica kpsha, how.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Are you feeling today? Well, it's raining in New York
City and so I'm feeling a bit damp. Other than that,
Other than that, we have Jenna Johnson on today. No,
you know that I'm a huge Dancing with the Stars fan,
so I've been really looking forward to this day. We've
been trying to get her on since the season was
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actually still active, and our schedules have just not aligned.
But now they have, and I could not be more
excited to have this gorgeous, talented guest.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Be honest, are you wearing because we can't see you
wearing jazz shoes just in case, just.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So we're clear, I look down at my feet preemptively
when you said are.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You yeah, because you don't know, because maybe you'd throw
in the morn in case you need to show her
some moves.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We all know that I'm not showing anyone. It's a
quick audition. Can you imagine if I just decided to
lay it down she would love it off. She would
this would end. Or just one more thing, Jen, just
one more, just one more thing, one more move? What
about this one more thing? Miss Johnson? Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Okay, just just do me a favor and just take
a deep breath before she comes in and just like,
you know, be a little bit cool.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, you want me to play this cool? When have
I ever played anything cool?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But this time I'm it's a special request, and yes,
bring her in?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Fine, Hi, We've been trying to get you on for
so long because I am tried and true dancing with
the stores fan.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
She's die hard, Jenna, she's dying.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And you're the second. You're the You're our second guest.
We had Julianne first. I adore her and and and
we were trying to get you on when the show
was still actually you know, happening.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We're so excited here, thanks for having How do you feel?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
How has the wind sunk in? How do you do
you have? Are you feeling still like a winner? Are
you riding just as high? What have you done with
all that winningness?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And where is the trophy?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah? You guys do you want to see something?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Oh my gosh, this is so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's not but so oh my god, this is look
at all those mirror of.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Blights and this is a racket that was in my freestyle.
So it's just like a little.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Corner of am I counting five?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
There?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yes, oh it's five?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Three? Are vowels two or mine?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well we need to add some more to yours.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I wouldn't love that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And also, look how gorgeous you are. Guys.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'm such a nerd because I just love the show
so much, and like the rest of America when I
when you watch the show, you're like, oh, I'm sure
it's like what everyone gets like, they can't possibly be
that cute in real life, and then you see them
in real life and you're like, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Thank you, really, you're that good.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You went from being just you to wow, wow.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I appreciate that. Welcome to my home, Welcome to MTV Cribs. No,
it's been amazing. Obviously, I just you ride this cloud
of just happiness, exhaustion, relief. But I just felt like
I had such an incredible partner. So I was just
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so grateful but then it's so wild because you have
all of that high and then inevitably you're like in
this deep depression because it's all over. You've just created
this insane bond with somebody for three months, you spend
every day together, you're like each other's teammates, you go
through very high stress situations together, and then it's just done,
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and you're like that experience is over, that that purpose
is over. It's just it's a wild and it happens
every year, so you would think that we would know
how to deal with it or expect it, but every
year is so hard because the person that you meet
or your partner is somebody new, and so yeah, it's wild.
I just again, but I'm trying to stay with the
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positives of I'm just so grateful I was able to
first of all, meet Joey, go through that wild ride together,
have incredible win in that moment. It was just a
dream come true. So I'm so beyond grateful. Obviously, you know,
there's like rumblings of the new season coming up and
all of this stuff, and so that anxiety sets in
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of like, oh my goodness, I want to be competitive,
I want to have another incredible season, But you know,
I'm grateful at this time.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Now, I have a question before it gets announced to
us and the world, who is on Dancing with the
Stars right, Like, who's gonna be on the next season?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
When do you guys find out?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because often for us, on like Grey's Anatomy, something will
be announced and we won't have even heard about it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It'll be like this person's joining the cast. I'm like,
they are, Oh my god, I haven't read that up.
So how much do you know? And how long before
it gets announced?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
We don't know any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You don't know you're fighting out with the world.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yes, So they really try to keep it very hush hush,
and I totally get that they don't want leaks. But
then from like when we meet our partners to when
the whole cast is announced, we probably know for like
maybe a week before you guys know, because we always
do a reveal on Good Morning America. They really keep
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everything so secretive. They want our reactions to be genuine.
They don't want things getting announced or revealed beforehand. They
want that Good Morning America revealed to be like here.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Is do you feel like?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Because I mean again, I'm sort of a I guess
I'm a Dancing with the Stars late bloomer like I didn't.
I didn't come to the show early seasons. I knew it,
and I every time I would see it, I would
really be I would be just so, I honestly, I
would be very impressed by just where you start with
people and where those people end, like the.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
In terms of frust jazz, that's hope. There's none for me.
There's there might be for you, there's none for me.
Let's I just want to call it what it is. Okay, okay,
let's do that. These feet will not be on that phew.
You don't think you could do a foxtrot? In no
world I could be Foxy and trot. I think Jenna
could teach you to fox trot.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
You'll understand what my job description is. Well, I know,
I know who doesn't know how to dance? How to dance?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I know, I know, I know, and really you don't
know me. But I'm the I'm the farthest thing from negative.
So I promise you I'm not just like faux There's no.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Faux humility here.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
There's real experience, uh of feeling like I can see
a dance step shown to me, I can I can see,
someone can draw it out, they.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Can video it. It just doesn't translate into your body.
It's that part of my brain. It doesn't stick. Well,
that's why they're Anyways, we digress.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay, Yes, I was sort of a you know, I
would watch it from Afar, But then it was my
daughters that really were like they became megafans. And then
I sat down long enough between doing all the things
that you do with when you have four kids, and
I sat down long enough to watch a little bit more.
And then there was a moment, was a tipping point,
and I was in. And then I was in for
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the dancing as much as I was the storytelling because
it's so human and so you all do such an
incredible job, and those editors who are there awards for that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So those editors get awards because the way that you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That they slice and dice and give you all that
what must be hours of footage, hours and hours, and
they can.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Is some of this live when we perform, it's all live.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, So like they're editing on the job, which is yeah,
but they're also editing all the rehearsals. And then someone's
got an injury, and I'm telling you, I know editing,
they're definitely like making a lot out of it, Like
the injury could be like me, it's fine, but like
they're going to make it seem like an emergency room
visit is imminent.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
A love, That's what.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Makes me in I think that's why Dancing with the
Stars is so special is because you really get these
two worlds of where it feels sport, where they are
athletes showing up, but then it's also mixed with artistry.
So I think that's why there's like so much risk
of there could be injuries or going into this lift,
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how is that going to go? You know, so there's
always this like high risk, but then you paint it
with this artistry and the intimacy and sensuality of it
all and partners all of that, and it just it's
so unique, like there is nothing else like that.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Let's talk about the sensuality for just a second, shall we.
I knew you were gonna jump on a Jess.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
She said the magic word for Jess's next question. Okay,
go on, Jess.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You all really make it seem intimate and very sensual,
and you're obvious, and you are married to a dancer,
and so he's creating his chemistry with his partner. You're
creating your chemistry with your partner. Y'all are definitely selling it.
Like I'm I'm like, how are they even do they
have do they have bedrooms? Are they sleeping in the
same house?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Like? How do you go home after your husband just
watched you do that dance?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I you know, this is one of my favorite questions
because everybody always has it, and it's I understand. I
think the best way for me to explain this is
if you were to watch a movie, would you want
to watch a scene and do you want to cry
or do you want to feel real, raw emotion? And
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the answer for me is always yes. So they're doing
their job. If they came, they delivered the lines, there
was no emotion behind it. There wasn't any commitment to
the character. You wouldn't believe it. And that's why people
walk away with Oscar nominations and Oscar trophies.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Okay, yep, but hold on, I'm interrupting. I'm only interrupting
because again I watched the show. It's not just the dancing.
That makes me feel like you guys are all in.
It's when you're listening to your feedback. It's when I
think that's the part where as a partner, I'd be like,
did you need to hold her hand? Like the whole
time that you were listening to how you guys did today.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's so funny because those things for us don't bobster
because of course not. Since I was eight years old,
I've been partnered with a boy and he's been my
teammate and deepen on the same goal of we're going
to go out on the dance floor. We're gonna smash
and sell these routines, and we're partners. So when we
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walk around the dance floor or walk around, we're holding
hands because we are a team. So and we forget
his dancers like that is such an intimate visual, that's
part of it. Yes, yeah, yeah, we're like bragging our
partner around the floor, like over it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Must be easier to be married to someone who gets it, yeah,
because they're not in the audience.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think they're probably not in the audience.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Right, But Joey's fiance showed up week after week after week,
and I remember being like he's not a professional, I.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Know, but but I'm imagining and you can speak to
this Jedda that this experience, because it's only three months,
is like in your experience is a dancer in overdrive,
and that intimacy that doesn't have to be romantic is
teammate is just like insane. It's an insane boot camp
experience that bonds you.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
You're in a bubble. You are yeah, and it is
a weird social experiment and you have no time to
really like lightly get into things because like you said,
there are only three months of this, but somebody also
gets eliminated week after week after week. So honestly, like
day one, week one, I am breaking the ice and
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all of the barriers with a partner of like, this
is gonna be super weird and really intense. We're gonna
be in each other's space. But as soon as we
break that like that wall, that's when we're gonna create
magic of like there's gonna be trust, there's gonna be friendship,
there's gonna be bond Like We're probably not gonna like
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each other all of the time because I'm gonna be
yelling at you, I'm gonna be in your face, I'm
gonna like, I expect so much from you. So yeah,
there's a vulnerability. There is, I guess you could say
an intimacy in that experience because it is a very
tight knit relationship. But that's all about just having chemistry
with your partner, and I think all of us as
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pros understand that that is a necessity to do well
on the show, not just because of how it looks,
but because of that trust. And yeah, in case with
your partner, you.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Know, no, I get I get that no one people vibe.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And when they don't, it translates whether you're in the skybox,
whether you're getting wars in the rehearsal packages. So again,
it is a very It is hard I think for
people's significant others that aren't in the industry or aren't
answers to like see duel. But for me, I always
try to make them part of it, to make them
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feel like nothing's hidden. If that makes sense. Yes, yes,
I would always be like with Joey, like go show
Kelsey or videos, like we'll do rehearsal, go show her
what we learned today, show her this new trick that
we did, so it doesn't feel like something.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's very smart of you as a partner. I have
a question that's a little spicy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, you don't have to name names, okay at all
because you can't. But have you ever had a partner
and the significant other there are some some vibe but
like you're feeling like, I'm not sure they're understanding that
this intimacy is just for the show.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh. I have had situations where it's been sad watching
as a partner my partner's significant other put extra stress
on them.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, yeah, you know that causes because that gets in
your head. I'm sure that's like a lot of the
times of because yeah, it it helps them not be
so committed and they're born and they want to be
respectful to like you know, all sides. For me, I
always try to be like, listen, this is three months
and then you will never have this ever again. You'll
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never have this opportunity. So for me, I'm always just like,
don't leave with any regrets of like looking back and.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Being like that was such a short amount of time
that I could have like fully committed to. And again,
I think you have to respect your spouse or your
significant other first, but you need to also explain to them,
like I will never have this opportunity again. So if
I don't commit in my Argentine Tango or if I
don't commit in my it might affect this experience getting eliminated.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But also it's just a dance.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, and it's just I mean, like it's not it
is just a dance. It's like us going to work
and performing.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Like a love scene. At the end of the day,
we come home like that's our job for like that day.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yes, and I think it is really really helpful that
my husband is on the show as well. Yeah. Yeah,
it helps even see what he's doing with his partner
and they are like so safe and sure of our
relationships that we wanted to thrive. So I think that's
also helpful. And like Valve comes in into my rehearsal
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a ton and helps my partner out and feel good,
gives some pointers.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's helpful. He's the best Jess because you feel like
val could help you with your No, no one can
help me.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Anyone can help you. It would be Valentine.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
If when you guys get people announced, right, so they
announce somebody tomorrow, right, Yeah, are you or is it not? Okay?
Are you ever texting producers and be like mine or
is that just like not something you can do?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Can you never be like, here's lying? I really want
this person.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No, that would be really fun. I'm sure we could
do it, but I don't think it would have it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Do you have a dream partner? Is there someone who
you've been like watching something, listening to something, or thinking like,
oh my god, it would be so amazing to be
partners with that person.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I am shocked every year with who I get and
I always just like end up having the best time.
So I really trust like our casting director. So far,
I would say I have not had a football player.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oh that's fun.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
So and I think that they're just so incredible on
the show. They understand like that work ethic and the
time and effort that goes into being great. So I
think they always really do well on the show I
have so I haven't had one of those yet. Jason Kelce,
I just keep throwing his name out because I think
this would be so fun.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I saw him from across the room at upfronts the
other day.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I just think he liked the vibe where he doesn't
take things too see.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
He seems very relaxed.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yes, where I think he would be down to like
rip off his shirt.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, I think such to God, John at you and
Jason Kelsey, Yes, this needs to happen.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I would just be down for like a really fun
person who's just down for the experience, like ye or
I'm dancing. It's not that serious at the end of
the day. Yes, Oh so I think he would have
such great energy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Do you SIDEI because I do.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
N You guys have professional dancers come and be contestants
on the show. I'm like, why, and if you're in
competition with those people, is it frustrating when you're like,
I got a football player and I'm so excited, but like,
why do you have this incredible professional answer that I'm
not competing against. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I've had both. I've had both. I've had somebody with
no experience and I've won with them last season with Joey,
and then I've had somebody like Jojo Siwaw, who is
a Yeah. Of course, you know, people felt some type
of way about that, but it's a completely different battle
With somebody like Joey. You're invested in the journey and
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his like of all becoming a dancer with Jojo. We
had to really bring it every week of like do
the best routine possible and make magic and have moments
and all of that stuff. So there's a lot of
pressure when you have a dancer or somebody who already
has dance experience. I wouldn't say that that's the easier route.
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Sometimes it's harder because you're having to like overly prove
that they deserve to be there. I've had both. Each
journey is very very different.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But like, are you really if you're a great dancer
and your technically fantastic, you're not getting marked down in
the same way that like Joey would, right, And that's
what at the end of the day sort of that
ends up being a huge part of the competition.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
But that's where the expectations really get to you, and
it it kind of feels unfair, like, well, I'm for them.
They've never done ballroom before. Yes, they may have like danced,
but ballroom and partnering is very different than just like
jazzing by yourself, So in a sense, they are learning
something new, so they should have that same sort of
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grace when it comes to being a beginner in ballroom dance.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't know, because I don't know if I agree
with that, just because I feel like you can make
when dancers just carry themselves in a certain way. You
put Jess against like Nicole from the Pussy gat Adolls,
like whether baller is the first time she's ever got
she's going to make it look beautiful. There are certain
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ways you carry yourself. There's like flexibility that you have.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It might be a leg up when it comes to
the dancing, but people also fall in love with the story.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I have a question from a fan perspective. Yes, when
you guys are all up there rooting, you know, cheering
each other on, I really do completely buy the camaraderie
and that everybody really is rooting for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But I'm just going to call it what it is.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Some people are annoying up there when they're standing there
waiting and they're like trying to get in front of
each other, and like they're like me, and they're like
looking at the camera and they're like trying to like
grab that moment.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Are you saying that another couple are trying to sort
of steal the moment from somebody else or like grab
the attention.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
They're true.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yes, they're definitely trying to grab the attention because they're
all on like the balcony. That's I've never been to
the ballroom, so I'm imagining it's a balcony.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
All at the skybox.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yes, yes, the box.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, So the question is are people as annoying as
they look?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Sometimes I'm gonna say that I am not that person, so.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I know you're not.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's why I'm asking you where She's wondering if you
were annoyed by other people who.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I would like to know if you find them annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Personalities are fun, So if people that's a great answer
to oh.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
For it, I know, but your face kind of said
it looked annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You know, as long as all of us are having
a good time and you know we're staying on the air,
do whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You got to do exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
You know what it adds to the spices dress because
those people like you watching being like they're so annoying
and it's getting you to talk about it, right, Like
maybe you have a love hate relationship with the skybox where.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
They're being seen and they're getting more votes.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
See, that's another reason why I shouldn't go on the
show because I would be terrible at that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I would literally do no uh attention stealing promotion? Are
you kidding? You're a Leo.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Leo. She would be up there hamming away. God, I
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I would, honestly though. It's also sometimes on you're so
exhausted from the week that sometimes I'm just like too tired,
and I'm like, if I'm praying in my heart that
we get through our dance, or if I've already danced,
I'm like, thank goodness, and I'm just exhausted. So maybe
that's why I'm not eager to get extra screen time.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, well I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ahead and
say I think you're a class act, and that's why
you don't do it.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You don't need to do it. You got those mirror bars,
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like, it's really only the people that need to do
it that I see doing it, which makes me annoyed
with them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Who would you like for a Val as a partner?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I love when Val is inspired and excited, so I
just want him to have somebody that that gives him
good energy. For women, we are a lot more intimidated
when it comes to this space. Guys tend to be like, yeah, whatever,
I'll put my arm out, you know if they don't
take it patly. Yeah, But if you are a female contestant,
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I think it's hard. It's like you're putting yourself very
uncomfortable situation. So always those people that have come in
and just been like open and excited and fall in
love with dance. He is so inspired by, I would say,
somebody like Gingersey. They were partners, and I have just
never seen him be so in love with dance. Oh yeah,
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going up with her. She was just invested in the show,
in doing an amazing job, and it was just so
fun to see their relationship grow. And she's like near
and dear to our family now.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
She was incredible. Somebody like Tamar Braxton was really fun
for him. He was partnered with Normani Cordat and they
danced superstars together.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's hard to compete against.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
You know. It's crazy though. For Nomani. That's when she
was still with Fifth Harmony and they had just announced
that they were going on their Asian leg of their tour.
So he was flying back and forth from Asia the
whole season with her. Sometimes they would have like two
days to rehearse. One time they rehearsed in a hotel
lobby like in Yes, but she was just incredible and
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then somebody likes sochy. They just had such an epic relationship.
He loved the show, she loved the experience. They had
such a great bond. So yeah, anytime that he just
like vibes with somebody, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
It really showed. That season was incredible and it really showed.
And he does have a smile. You both do, but
he has a smile that could just light up a room.
Oh yeah, you know when you see his happiness, it's like.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Ah, I would love to see you with Jason and
him with Kylie Kelsey. And so you're married couple with
married couple.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
That would be interesting. Yeah, that could be cute. So
doubt all right, ABC threw that out there for you.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, and your hosts are also so incredible.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, love them, love them.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So we did an episode last week about well it
was technically about mom guilt.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We're trying to find a new name for a Jonah
because we're.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Guilt. But you know what, it is what it is,
like that that is what we feel.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, we're trying to We're talking about whether or not
that is what we feel or that's what people tell
us to feel, right, like we should feel guilty, whereas
like what is the value exchange of being a working person?
And like how do you explain it to your kids?
Because you're not going to You're not going to do
something you know for your own benefit solely, right, it
(25:51):
might include your own benefit, but it's not. There's like
guilty seems like something that you would, you know, feel
after you did something that was just for yourself and
working as for your whole family. But when you are
in like a three month stint that is that sounds
as intense as the one you're describing.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you do you favor that Rome comes to work sometimes?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Do you favor that he stays where he is and
keeps his Like I'm someone who keeps I keep my kids'
schedule constant, and then I'm the variable that comes in
and out. Yeah, I mean obviously there's times when they
come to me. But how do you work that?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Uh? Yeah, it is really difficult and hard and being
a new mom and a new working mom and also
his schedules are changing in things, So I think this
last season was was interesting to navigate. I don't think
the word guilt necessarily has to have a negative connotation
to it, because I think I think that means that
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you care. If you are feeling these things, that means
that you do care and your heart is torn into
different places. And that's definitely what I did feel this
this last season. Days that he would come to set
were so fun and would give me like this reset
ative and be like, oh my goodness, Okay, I'm stressed
(27:10):
about these two eights in my fox drop, but I
have this bubbly little boy just looking at me for everything,
and that gave me so much purpose. But at the
end of the day too, I know that I'm also
in a very stressed environment and I don't want to
put that on him. So I would like do maybe
every two weeks he would come to set on a
(27:31):
show day, you know, or if I was knew though
I was going to be having a more lighthearted day,
i'd have him come. But he's just always a breath
of fresh air. He always gives me that sense of
like grounding and purpose. And even if I would have
the longest worst rehearsal, so stressed out, I'd come home
and just nothing else mattered. And that's something that I've
(27:53):
loved about being a mom, Where before I would take
that stress from work and bring it home and just
like fester on it and just sit on it and
let it ruin the rest of my evening. But as
a mom, you don't have time for that, Like you
don't have opportunity to know, you need to do dinner, bedtime, bathtime,
(28:13):
bottle clean the house, you know. So I've loved that,
even though it's chaotic and sometimes I feel like I
don't have a second to like breathe myself, it really
it's really what I need. And he just, yeah, he
is the best I've loved being a mother. Obviously, it
(28:34):
has his days where I'm like, man, I missed out
on this, or I could have showed up so much
better in that regard, I was just exhausted. But I
love a challenge, and I think you always have to
like challenge yourself and evolve, and it's okay if you
have a rough day, like you'll show up better tomorrow.
(28:55):
But I think also Valas is really great about He
is just so such an incredible dad, and so I
think I'm constantly inspired by the way that he shows
up for our son and for our relationship and our marriage.
So I'm just constantly inspired by him, I think. And
that also helps navigating parenthood.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh, I love that so much.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If you had this is a trippy question, but if
you had a time machine and your son was twenty
one tomorrow and he wanted to be on the next
season of Dancing with the Stars, who would you partner
him with?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
We can't be you.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh, she comes up with such good questions.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I would say Daniella. She is an absolute force to
be reckoned with. She is just a powerhouse, and I
think she is super creative. I know that she is
a good teacher, and I think that sometimes the biggest
(29:53):
battle on our show is being a good teacher. You
can be an incredible dancer. Oh yeah, yeah, but you
need to know how to gameplay when ABC doesn't work.
You need to know how to come up with a
new option, and you don't need to know how to
dissect dance and teach it to somebody that has no
idea what they're doing. And she is that, So I
(30:15):
would I would say Daniella Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I love that. I love it. Who would you partner
me with if I ever did it? Vow val Oh,
I can't. There we go I get helping me.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
He is the best teach, teacher, teammate, coach. He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I never say never, never say never, you know, I mean,
I mean, come up, we're ABC family. Like, I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm gonna if I can, and this is this is
a hope, if I can. With schedules and everything else,
I am dying to get there for one of the
last She wants.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
To see it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I know I really wanted to, and it didn't work
out timing wise because I'd just been in LA and
I couldn't like turn it around and bring them back
again this last time, this last season. But I'm I
and I told Julianne, I'm like, I'm gonna make it.
I'm gonna make it there. I'm going to be in
that ballroom. I really am.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's it's a different it's so so magical seeing the sets.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Oh, it's gorgeous, and you all do an incredible job
also on your socials, Like I love getting the peak
behind the you know, behind the curtain. Do you have
any like pre show things that you do, like charity superstitions.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Do you have like any of that kind of question?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yes, I do. I this is so weird, but I
always have to put my right shoe, my right ballroom
shoe on before my left. It's just like the thing
that I've heard the show and like even when the
dressers are doing a quick change with me, I'm like, no,
it has to be the right shoe first. So that's
something that's just a weird one. But for me, I
(31:51):
love to stay in my zone. So as much as
I love to cheer on other people and like watch,
I know that it's not going to be good for
my focus. So I kind of venture off with my
partner and I want us to like stay in the zone.
So we always do a warm up together. I'm really
big about planks. I think that they're so good to do.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Oh my gosh's my worst nightmare. My mother can do
a five minute plank. Wow, hurt me?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That's amazing. Well, yeah, I usually try to do like
a two to three minute plank with my partner. So
we'll do that, we'll go through the dance a little bit,
and then as soon as we're going like back backstage,
say we're next up. I always take a second by
myself to like call my breathing, I say a prayer
and then positive affirmations. I read this thing that nerves
(32:43):
either can be negative or positive, just in whatever you
tell yourself. So instead of being like, I'm so scared,
I'm so nervous that we're not going to do like
you know, putting it in that, I always am like,
I am so excited. I have the excited I'm so
I know that I'm prepared, I know that I've done
all of that I can and I'm just going to
(33:04):
go dance now. So I think like the mindset that
you have yourself in also helps.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I think that what you just said is so powerful, for.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I feel exactly the same way your little guy is
too little to do this with.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But I have people that don't feel so.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Little anymore, and they have started entering into worlds that
can feel like scary, like I have to do something,
I have to be something that's maybe bigger or I
haven't developed the courage for yet, And I say exactly
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Because it is it feels so true. Is that is.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That that feeling you really can choose how you program
it is you're going to program as it? Are you
going to program it as excitement or will you categorize
it as fear? And and the fear kind of makes
you go back on your heels, and the and the
and the excitement gets you on your toes. And it's like,
are you more nimble? Where are you more ready for flexibility?
(33:59):
Where you more ready to receive? It's in being excited,
it's not in being scared. And I think that's incredible,
incredible nerves.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
I mean we should all have them. That's great. I
mean again, that means that you care, But it's just
really how you decipher, like am I going to take
this in the nervous route and doubt myself and question things?
And that's when you start making mistakes. I feel whenever
I'm on thinks for that always is what happens. So
I always try to put be like, oh, I'm so excited,
so scared, but very excited to go show up and
(34:32):
go do what we've been practicing. Like it's it's awesome.
So yeah, that's kind of my little ritual.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I love that and hope for the best.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yes, yeah, go out there.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Would you like to be a judge? One season? Instead
of an answer, Oh.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You know, for me, I still I would love that.
But I always have wanted to be a performer. So
I'm going to try to drag out this day as
long as as long as my body can ye and
then then I can see myself as like a judge.
(35:22):
But for me, I just I have so many goals
and dreams that I would love to do still in
this space, I would really love to do Broadway one day.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So you're like, well, I love to like You're an
incredible actress too.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
You're the whole package, so like I can see that
for you, like I would cast you in two seconds
and all of the things.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Thank you. But yeah, I still just feel like such
a performer that I don't feel that like authority of sitting.
I feel like I would have a hard time sitting. Honestly,
I would be like, oh, out there, I want to
do this.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, you'd have fomo for the dance floor.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yes, but I love giving feedback again that like teacher
inside of me. Yea, I love that. But for right now,
I just I would love to be a performer.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well, we we all love watching you perform.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
When do you start the new season?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Well, the season starts September. Usually I technically haven't been
picked up yet, none of us have. We usually don't
find out if we're back on the season until until
like end of August September. So fingers crossed.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's happens with Yeah, that's the way we're all. Yeah,
yeah with teep shows. Got a wait for that pickup too, personally.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
But yeah, that's when it starts. Is it will be
back this fall. They just announced season thirty four, So exciting,
so crazy, thirty four seasons.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's more than Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Well is also special because they're celebrating twenty years on air.
Oh what twenty year anniversary this year? So wild?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I see you adding your third Mira ball to that ledge.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I love a little manifestation.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, I see it for you. It's already done. That's
our manifesting trick. It's already been done. It's thirty yours.
You already have a third one.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
So we're excited to watch you win next season exactly,
and I will be there, Camilla, will you come with me?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Will be my day o? God you kidding?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Me and the girls, so we'll bring our daughters. Yeah,
let's bring the girls. Okay, we'll be in there.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
You should come on like a Disney night or something too.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
That's also, Oh, don't say Disney. Don't say Disney twice
to this one.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
You don't understand. Jenna, you said the imagine and Neil
Patrick Harris.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I've never seen two people more excited to be at Disneyland.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I love it. Jenna, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Will you come back on when the season starts and
you're deep in it and we can pick your brain
on how it's going.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yes, it'll be so. It'll be so fun to see
who I'm partnered with and we can chat all the way. Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Wait, I have one more question, because I think you're
very wide. I don't ask everybody this, but I think
you have some real wisdom in there. Here's my question
for you. What would you if you could talk about
time machine, go back in time? What would you tell
your seventeen year old self? What had you not learned
(38:19):
yet that you that you value so breaking now?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I think my worth and not having this having this
anxiety of having to be somebody else, to be somewhere
or to make it somewhere. And I actually shortly after
I was seventeen joined the show, and when I did,
(38:43):
I was just constantly trying to be somebody else because
I looked up to them. They were all pros. I
was on troop. So yeah, I think that until I
learned to really value all that I had to give,
that's when I started to really make a difference and
make an impact, and that's when I really started to shine.
(39:05):
So I think that if I were to go back
to my seventeen year old self, I would just tell
her to trust herself and to not forget why she's special.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah. I love that you just said, like, not forget
that she's special, because I think that as women, we
do this thing where we sort of like we can
say that we're great, but like then we'd sort of, like,
you know, want to underplay it.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
There's a lot of pressure that we have, I think
as women obviously and in the society right now. Like
for me, comparison is the thief of joy.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
It just is are you in my head?
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I've always that's been one of my favorite quotes, and
I just I really think it's so true. And when
we live in a world where we're just constantly scrolling
and seeing how gorgeous and how amazing and how yeah
you neque these other women are instead of being like oh,
tearing ourselves down because of it, we can celebrate that
first of all, others accomplishments, others beauty, but we cannot
(40:04):
forget in the gate why we are so magnificent and
special and beautiful that we have to offer so.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Oh my god, what a way to end. I love that. Oh,
I love it so much.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I know and I think that it's also it's like
it's the acknowledging of the human feeling, like the neurobiological
need to envy or cove it or be jealous or
think like I want that other thing. Like that's normal.
You're not doing anything wrong. You're not a bad person
for that while you're scrolling. It's then what you do
(40:38):
with the thought, like do you then make it a
negative have it? Let it have a negative impact on yourself,
like I'm not enough. Do you let it make a
negative impact on someone else by tearing them down? Or
do you just see the thought, see the judgment, see
the whatever it is that monkey mind's in your head
and then go like yeah, okay, thank you for your service,
and like no, thank you I think that person's gorgeous
(40:58):
or right, that she so hard or she has that
natural shine. I don't know, but it's like it's it's
really human to have all those feelings. And I think
that you know what you just said is true.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It's what you do with.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Them, completely agree.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Thank you so much for coming on, so much for
coming and call it what.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It is. So nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It will be the first of many, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yes, okay, so come back and talk to us when
the season starts and when you're on your journey to
winning again.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
We'll see you in the audience to go all right,
thank you bye. I feel like I just want to
be friends with her.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I know I need you guys to never meet because
I think you could be best friends.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And that's not going to work for me. I'm not
down with a third. But I will sit in the
audience with you.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You said Disney Night, and I'm like, already there, my
Mickey mouse or are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, you make you where the ears all wear the hands.
We'll sit in the front row. I'm going to be there.
You're going to be there, and it's going to be
magical and special. I can't wait until they announced the contestants.
And we will be sitting front row for ABC's thirty
fourth season of Dancing with the Stars and they will
be celebrating their twentieth year on air.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
God, I hope it's Jason Kelce. When she's said that name,
I was like, oh my, she said football star.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Well she's a football star, but could have been anyone.
But when she said Jason Kelce, I was like beyond yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
And I was I tried to say, but I didn't
get it out. I was at the ABC upfronts and
I actually saw Bruno in person and Alfonso and I
had to like not nerd out.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
And go up to them.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
And then I saw Jason Kelce from across the room
because it was also ESPN we were doing their upfronts
and he was there.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
There were so many athletes. How tall is he?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't know, because he was he was far across
the room. I couldn't tell from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But make a bee line else b line.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
No, it was wonderful to be with her, and I'm
super excited for the new the new season.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, she's super talented.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
I I really did love her being like I'm special
because I think that as women, we learned to like
not say those adjectives about ourselves and describe ourselves that way.
And I'm like, yes you are, Yeah, you should be
saying that about yourself.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I know the whole thing. They're just like family over yea.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
All right, Okay, well let's call it the end of
the episode.
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, and welcome
to another episode of Call It What It Is. Jessica kpsha, how.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Are you feeling today? Well, it's raining in New York
City and so I'm feeling a bit damp. Other than that,
Other than that, we have Jenna Johnson on today. No,
you know that I'm a huge Dancing with the Stars fan,
so I've been really looking forward to this day. We've
been trying to get her on since the season was
(00:43):
actually still active, and our schedules have just not aligned.
But now they have, and I could not be more
excited to have this gorgeous, talented guest.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Be honest, are you wearing because we can't see you
wearing jazz shoes just in case, just.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So we're clear, I look down at my feet preemptively
when you said are.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You yeah, because you don't know, because maybe you'd throw
in the morn in case you need to show her
some moves.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We all know that I'm not showing anyone. It's a
quick audition. Can you imagine if I just decided to
lay it down she would love it off. She would
this would end. Or just one more thing, Jen, just
one more, just one more thing, one more move? What
about this one more thing? Miss Johnson? Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Okay, just just do me a favor and just take
a deep breath before she comes in and just like,
you know, be a little bit cool.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, you want me to play this cool? When have
I ever played anything cool?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But this time I'm it's a special request, and yes,
bring her in?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Fine, Hi, We've been trying to get you on for
so long because I am tried and true dancing with
the stores fan.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
She's die hard, Jenna, she's dying.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And you're the second. You're the You're our second guest.
We had Julianne first. I adore her and and and
we were trying to get you on when the show
was still actually you know, happening.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We're so excited here, thanks for having How do you feel?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
How has the wind sunk in? How do you do
you have? Are you feeling still like a winner? Are
you riding just as high? What have you done with
all that winningness?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And where is the trophy?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah? You guys do you want to see something?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Oh my gosh, this is so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's not but so oh my god, this is look
at all those mirror of.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Blights and this is a racket that was in my freestyle.
So it's just like a little.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Corner of am I counting five?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
There?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yes, oh it's five?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Three? Are vowels two or mine?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well we need to add some more to yours.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I wouldn't love that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And also, look how gorgeous you are. Guys.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'm such a nerd because I just love the show
so much, and like the rest of America when I
when you watch the show, you're like, oh, I'm sure
it's like what everyone gets like, they can't possibly be
that cute in real life, and then you see them
in real life and you're like, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Thank you, really, you're that good.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You went from being just you to wow, wow.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I appreciate that. Welcome to my home, Welcome to MTV Cribs. No,
it's been amazing. Obviously, I just you ride this cloud
of just happiness, exhaustion, relief. But I just felt like
I had such an incredible partner. So I was just
(03:42):
so grateful but then it's so wild because you have
all of that high and then inevitably you're like in
this deep depression because it's all over. You've just created
this insane bond with somebody for three months, you spend
every day together, you're like each other's teammates, you go
through very high stress situations together, and then it's just done,
(04:05):
and you're like that experience is over, that that purpose
is over. It's just it's a wild and it happens
every year, so you would think that we would know
how to deal with it or expect it, but every
year is so hard because the person that you meet
or your partner is somebody new, and so yeah, it's wild.
I just again, but I'm trying to stay with the
(04:29):
positives of I'm just so grateful I was able to
first of all, meet Joey, go through that wild ride together,
have incredible win in that moment. It was just a
dream come true. So I'm so beyond grateful. Obviously, you know,
there's like rumblings of the new season coming up and
all of this stuff, and so that anxiety sets in
(04:49):
of like, oh my goodness, I want to be competitive,
I want to have another incredible season, But you know,
I'm grateful at this time.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Now, I have a question before it gets announced to
us and the world, who is on Dancing with the
Stars right, Like, who's gonna be on the next season?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
When do you guys find out?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because often for us, on like Grey's Anatomy, something will
be announced and we won't have even heard about it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It'll be like this person's joining the cast. I'm like,
they are, Oh my god, I haven't read that up.
So how much do you know? And how long before
it gets announced?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
We don't know any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You don't know you're fighting out with the world.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yes, So they really try to keep it very hush hush,
and I totally get that they don't want leaks. But
then from like when we meet our partners to when
the whole cast is announced, we probably know for like
maybe a week before you guys know, because we always
do a reveal on Good Morning America. They really keep
(05:49):
everything so secretive. They want our reactions to be genuine.
They don't want things getting announced or revealed beforehand. They
want that Good Morning America revealed to be like here.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Is do you feel like?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Because I mean again, I'm sort of a I guess
I'm a Dancing with the Stars late bloomer like I didn't.
I didn't come to the show early seasons. I knew it,
and I every time I would see it, I would
really be I would be just so, I honestly, I
would be very impressed by just where you start with
people and where those people end, like the.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
In terms of frust jazz, that's hope. There's none for me.
There's there might be for you, there's none for me.
Let's I just want to call it what it is. Okay, okay,
let's do that. These feet will not be on that phew.
You don't think you could do a foxtrot? In no
world I could be Foxy and trot. I think Jenna
could teach you to fox trot.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
You'll understand what my job description is. Well, I know,
I know who doesn't know how to dance? How to dance?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I know, I know, I know, and really you don't
know me. But I'm the I'm the farthest thing from negative.
So I promise you I'm not just like faux There's no.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Faux humility here.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
There's real experience, uh of feeling like I can see
a dance step shown to me, I can I can see,
someone can draw it out, they.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Can video it. It just doesn't translate into your body.
It's that part of my brain. It doesn't stick. Well,
that's why they're Anyways, we digress.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay, Yes, I was sort of a you know, I
would watch it from Afar, But then it was my
daughters that really were like they became megafans. And then
I sat down long enough between doing all the things
that you do with when you have four kids, and
I sat down long enough to watch a little bit more.
And then there was a moment, was a tipping point,
and I was in. And then I was in for
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the dancing as much as I was the storytelling because
it's so human and so you all do such an
incredible job, and those editors who are there awards for that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So those editors get awards because the way that you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That they slice and dice and give you all that
what must be hours of footage, hours and hours, and
they can.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Is some of this live when we perform, it's all live.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, So like they're editing on the job, which is yeah,
but they're also editing all the rehearsals. And then someone's
got an injury, and I'm telling you, I know editing,
they're definitely like making a lot out of it, Like
the injury could be like me, it's fine, but like
they're going to make it seem like an emergency room
visit is imminent.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
A love, That's what.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Makes me in I think that's why Dancing with the
Stars is so special is because you really get these
two worlds of where it feels sport, where they are
athletes showing up, but then it's also mixed with artistry.
So I think that's why there's like so much risk
of there could be injuries or going into this lift,
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how is that going to go? You know, so there's
always this like high risk, but then you paint it
with this artistry and the intimacy and sensuality of it
all and partners all of that, and it just it's
so unique, like there is nothing else like that.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Let's talk about the sensuality for just a second, shall we.
I knew you were gonna jump on a Jess.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
She said the magic word for Jess's next question. Okay,
go on, Jess.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You all really make it seem intimate and very sensual,
and you're obvious, and you are married to a dancer,
and so he's creating his chemistry with his partner. You're
creating your chemistry with your partner. Y'all are definitely selling it.
Like I'm I'm like, how are they even do they
have do they have bedrooms? Are they sleeping in the
same house?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Like? How do you go home after your husband just
watched you do that dance?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I you know, this is one of my favorite questions
because everybody always has it, and it's I understand. I
think the best way for me to explain this is
if you were to watch a movie, would you want
to watch a scene and do you want to cry
or do you want to feel real, raw emotion? And
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the answer for me is always yes. So they're doing
their job. If they came, they delivered the lines, there
was no emotion behind it. There wasn't any commitment to
the character. You wouldn't believe it. And that's why people
walk away with Oscar nominations and Oscar trophies.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Okay, yep, but hold on, I'm interrupting. I'm only interrupting
because again I watched the show. It's not just the dancing.
That makes me feel like you guys are all in.
It's when you're listening to your feedback. It's when I
think that's the part where as a partner, I'd be like,
did you need to hold her hand? Like the whole
time that you were listening to how you guys did today.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's so funny because those things for us don't bobster
because of course not. Since I was eight years old,
I've been partnered with a boy and he's been my
teammate and deepen on the same goal of we're going
to go out on the dance floor. We're gonna smash
and sell these routines, and we're partners. So when we
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walk around the dance floor or walk around, we're holding
hands because we are a team. So and we forget
his dancers like that is such an intimate visual, that's
part of it. Yes, yeah, yeah, we're like bragging our
partner around the floor, like over it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Must be easier to be married to someone who gets it, yeah,
because they're not in the audience.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think they're probably not in the audience.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Right, But Joey's fiance showed up week after week after week,
and I remember being like he's not a professional, I.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Know, but but I'm imagining and you can speak to
this Jedda that this experience, because it's only three months,
is like in your experience is a dancer in overdrive,
and that intimacy that doesn't have to be romantic is
teammate is just like insane. It's an insane boot camp
experience that bonds you.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
You're in a bubble. You are yeah, and it is
a weird social experiment and you have no time to
really like lightly get into things because like you said,
there are only three months of this, but somebody also
gets eliminated week after week after week. So honestly, like
day one, week one, I am breaking the ice and
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all of the barriers with a partner of like, this
is gonna be super weird and really intense. We're gonna
be in each other's space. But as soon as we
break that like that wall, that's when we're gonna create
magic of like there's gonna be trust, there's gonna be friendship,
there's gonna be bond Like We're probably not gonna like
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each other all of the time because I'm gonna be
yelling at you, I'm gonna be in your face, I'm
gonna like, I expect so much from you. So yeah,
there's a vulnerability. There is, I guess you could say
an intimacy in that experience because it is a very
tight knit relationship. But that's all about just having chemistry
with your partner, and I think all of us as
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pros understand that that is a necessity to do well
on the show, not just because of how it looks,
but because of that trust. And yeah, in case with
your partner, you.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Know, no, I get I get that no one people vibe.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And when they don't, it translates whether you're in the skybox,
whether you're getting wars in the rehearsal packages. So again,
it is a very It is hard I think for
people's significant others that aren't in the industry or aren't
answers to like see duel. But for me, I always
try to make them part of it, to make them
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feel like nothing's hidden. If that makes sense. Yes, yes,
I would always be like with Joey, like go show
Kelsey or videos, like we'll do rehearsal, go show her
what we learned today, show her this new trick that
we did, so it doesn't feel like something.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's very smart of you as a partner. I have
a question that's a little spicy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yes, you don't have to name names, okay at all
because you can't. But have you ever had a partner
and the significant other there are some some vibe but
like you're feeling like, I'm not sure they're understanding that
this intimacy is just for the show.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh. I have had situations where it's been sad watching
as a partner my partner's significant other put extra stress
on them.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, yeah, you know that causes because that gets in
your head. I'm sure that's like a lot of the
times of because yeah, it it helps them not be
so committed and they're born and they want to be
respectful to like you know, all sides. For me, I
always try to be like, listen, this is three months
and then you will never have this ever again. You'll
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never have this opportunity. So for me, I'm always just like,
don't leave with any regrets of like looking back and.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Being like that was such a short amount of time
that I could have like fully committed to. And again,
I think you have to respect your spouse or your
significant other first, but you need to also explain to them,
like I will never have this opportunity again. So if
I don't commit in my Argentine Tango or if I
don't commit in my it might affect this experience getting eliminated.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But also it's just a dance.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, and it's just I mean, like it's not it
is just a dance. It's like us going to work
and performing.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Like a love scene. At the end of the day,
we come home like that's our job for like that day.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yes, and I think it is really really helpful that
my husband is on the show as well. Yeah. Yeah,
it helps even see what he's doing with his partner
and they are like so safe and sure of our
relationships that we wanted to thrive. So I think that's
also helpful. And like Valve comes in into my rehearsal
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a ton and helps my partner out and feel good,
gives some pointers.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's helpful. He's the best Jess because you feel like
val could help you with your No, no one can
help me.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Anyone can help you. It would be Valentine.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
If when you guys get people announced, right, so they
announce somebody tomorrow, right, Yeah, are you or is it not? Okay?
Are you ever texting producers and be like mine or
is that just like not something you can do?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Can you never be like, here's lying? I really want
this person.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No, that would be really fun. I'm sure we could
do it, but I don't think it would have it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Do you have a dream partner? Is there someone who
you've been like watching something, listening to something, or thinking like,
oh my god, it would be so amazing to be
partners with that person.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I am shocked every year with who I get and
I always just like end up having the best time.
So I really trust like our casting director. So far,
I would say I have not had a football player.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oh that's fun.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
So and I think that they're just so incredible on
the show. They understand like that work ethic and the
time and effort that goes into being great. So I
think they always really do well on the show I
have so I haven't had one of those yet. Jason Kelce,
I just keep throwing his name out because I think
this would be so fun.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I saw him from across the room at upfronts the
other day.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I just think he liked the vibe where he doesn't
take things too see.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
He seems very relaxed.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yes, where I think he would be down to like
rip off his shirt.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, I think such to God, John at you and
Jason Kelsey, Yes, this needs to happen.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I would just be down for like a really fun
person who's just down for the experience, like ye or
I'm dancing. It's not that serious at the end of
the day. Yes, Oh so I think he would have
such great energy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Do you SIDEI because I do.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
N You guys have professional dancers come and be contestants
on the show. I'm like, why, and if you're in
competition with those people, is it frustrating when you're like,
I got a football player and I'm so excited, but like,
why do you have this incredible professional answer that I'm
not competing against. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I've had both. I've had both. I've had somebody with
no experience and I've won with them last season with Joey,
and then I've had somebody like Jojo Siwaw, who is
a Yeah. Of course, you know, people felt some type
of way about that, but it's a completely different battle
With somebody like Joey. You're invested in the journey and
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his like of all becoming a dancer with Jojo. We
had to really bring it every week of like do
the best routine possible and make magic and have moments
and all of that stuff. So there's a lot of
pressure when you have a dancer or somebody who already
has dance experience. I wouldn't say that that's the easier route.
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Sometimes it's harder because you're having to like overly prove
that they deserve to be there. I've had both. Each
journey is very very different.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But like, are you really if you're a great dancer
and your technically fantastic, you're not getting marked down in
the same way that like Joey would, right, And that's
what at the end of the day sort of that
ends up being a huge part of the competition.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
But that's where the expectations really get to you, and
it it kind of feels unfair, like, well, I'm for them.
They've never done ballroom before. Yes, they may have like danced,
but ballroom and partnering is very different than just like
jazzing by yourself, So in a sense, they are learning
something new, so they should have that same sort of
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grace when it comes to being a beginner in ballroom dance.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't know, because I don't know if I agree
with that, just because I feel like you can make
when dancers just carry themselves in a certain way. You
put Jess against like Nicole from the Pussy gat Adolls,
like whether baller is the first time she's ever got
she's going to make it look beautiful. There are certain
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ways you carry yourself. There's like flexibility that you have.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It might be a leg up when it comes to
the dancing, but people also fall in love with the story.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I have a question from a fan perspective. Yes, when
you guys are all up there rooting, you know, cheering
each other on, I really do completely buy the camaraderie
and that everybody really is rooting for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But I'm just going to call it what it is.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Some people are annoying up there when they're standing there
waiting and they're like trying to get in front of
each other, and like they're like me, and they're like
looking at the camera and they're like trying to like
grab that moment.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Are you saying that another couple are trying to sort
of steal the moment from somebody else or like grab
the attention.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
They're true.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yes, they're definitely trying to grab the attention because they're
all on like the balcony. That's I've never been to
the ballroom, so I'm imagining it's a balcony.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
All at the skybox.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yes, yes, the box.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, So the question is are people as annoying as
they look?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Sometimes I'm gonna say that I am not that person, so.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I know you're not.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's why I'm asking you where She's wondering if you
were annoyed by other people who.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I would like to know if you find them annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Personalities are fun, So if people that's a great answer
to oh.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
For it, I know, but your face kind of said
it looked annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You know, as long as all of us are having
a good time and you know we're staying on the air,
do whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You got to do exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
You know what it adds to the spices dress because
those people like you watching being like they're so annoying
and it's getting you to talk about it, right, Like
maybe you have a love hate relationship with the skybox where.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
They're being seen and they're getting more votes.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
See, that's another reason why I shouldn't go on the
show because I would be terrible at that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I would literally do no uh attention stealing promotion? Are
you kidding? You're a Leo.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Leo. She would be up there hamming away. God, I
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I would, honestly though. It's also sometimes on you're so
exhausted from the week that sometimes I'm just like too tired,
and I'm like, if I'm praying in my heart that
we get through our dance, or if I've already danced,
I'm like, thank goodness, and I'm just exhausted. So maybe
that's why I'm not eager to get extra screen time.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, well I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ahead and
say I think you're a class act, and that's why
you don't do it.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You don't need to do it. You got those mirror bars,
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like, it's really only the people that need to do
it that I see doing it, which makes me annoyed
with them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Who would you like for a Val as a partner?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I love when Val is inspired and excited, so I
just want him to have somebody that that gives him
good energy. For women, we are a lot more intimidated
when it comes to this space. Guys tend to be like, yeah, whatever,
I'll put my arm out, you know if they don't
take it patly. Yeah, But if you are a female contestant,
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I think it's hard. It's like you're putting yourself very
uncomfortable situation. So always those people that have come in
and just been like open and excited and fall in
love with dance. He is so inspired by, I would say,
somebody like Gingersey. They were partners, and I have just
never seen him be so in love with dance. Oh yeah,
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going up with her. She was just invested in the show,
in doing an amazing job, and it was just so
fun to see their relationship grow. And she's like near
and dear to our family now.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
She was incredible. Somebody like Tamar Braxton was really fun
for him. He was partnered with Normani Cordat and they
danced superstars together.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's hard to compete against.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
You know. It's crazy though. For Nomani. That's when she
was still with Fifth Harmony and they had just announced
that they were going on their Asian leg of their tour.
So he was flying back and forth from Asia the
whole season with her. Sometimes they would have like two
days to rehearse. One time they rehearsed in a hotel
lobby like in Yes, but she was just incredible and
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then somebody likes sochy. They just had such an epic relationship.
He loved the show, she loved the experience. They had
such a great bond. So yeah, anytime that he just
like vibes with somebody, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
It really showed. That season was incredible and it really showed.
And he does have a smile. You both do, but
he has a smile that could just light up a room.
Oh yeah, you know when you see his happiness, it's like.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Ah, I would love to see you with Jason and
him with Kylie Kelsey. And so you're married couple with
married couple.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
That would be interesting. Yeah, that could be cute. So
doubt all right, ABC threw that out there for you.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, and your hosts are also so incredible.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, love them, love them.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So we did an episode last week about well it
was technically about mom guilt.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We're trying to find a new name for a Jonah
because we're.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Guilt. But you know what, it is what it is,
like that that is what we feel.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, we're trying to We're talking about whether or not
that is what we feel or that's what people tell
us to feel, right, like we should feel guilty, whereas
like what is the value exchange of being a working person?
And like how do you explain it to your kids?
Because you're not going to You're not going to do
something you know for your own benefit solely, right, it
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might include your own benefit, but it's not. There's like
guilty seems like something that you would, you know, feel
after you did something that was just for yourself and
working as for your whole family. But when you are
in like a three month stint that is that sounds
as intense as the one you're describing.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you do you favor that Rome comes to work sometimes?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Do you favor that he stays where he is and
keeps his Like I'm someone who keeps I keep my kids'
schedule constant, and then I'm the variable that comes in
and out. Yeah, I mean obviously there's times when they
come to me. But how do you work that?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Uh? Yeah, it is really difficult and hard and being
a new mom and a new working mom and also
his schedules are changing in things, So I think this
last season was was interesting to navigate. I don't think
the word guilt necessarily has to have a negative connotation
to it, because I think I think that means that
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you care. If you are feeling these things, that means
that you do care and your heart is torn into
different places. And that's definitely what I did feel this
this last season. Days that he would come to set
were so fun and would give me like this reset
ative and be like, oh my goodness, Okay, I'm stressed
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about these two eights in my fox drop, but I
have this bubbly little boy just looking at me for everything,
and that gave me so much purpose. But at the
end of the day too, I know that I'm also
in a very stressed environment and I don't want to
put that on him. So I would like do maybe
every two weeks he would come to set on a
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show day, you know, or if I was knew though
I was going to be having a more lighthearted day,
i'd have him come. But he's just always a breath
of fresh air. He always gives me that sense of
like grounding and purpose. And even if I would have
the longest worst rehearsal, so stressed out, I'd come home
and just nothing else mattered. And that's something that I've
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loved about being a mom, Where before I would take
that stress from work and bring it home and just
like fester on it and just sit on it and
let it ruin the rest of my evening. But as
a mom, you don't have time for that, Like you
don't have opportunity to know, you need to do dinner, bedtime, bathtime,
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bottle clean the house, you know. So I've loved that,
even though it's chaotic and sometimes I feel like I
don't have a second to like breathe myself, it really
it's really what I need. And he just, yeah, he
is the best I've loved being a mother. Obviously, it
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has his days where I'm like, man, I missed out
on this, or I could have showed up so much
better in that regard, I was just exhausted. But I
love a challenge, and I think you always have to
like challenge yourself and evolve, and it's okay if you
have a rough day, like you'll show up better tomorrow.
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But I think also Valas is really great about He
is just so such an incredible dad, and so I
think I'm constantly inspired by the way that he shows
up for our son and for our relationship and our marriage.
So I'm just constantly inspired by him, I think. And
that also helps navigating parenthood.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh, I love that so much.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If you had this is a trippy question, but if
you had a time machine and your son was twenty
one tomorrow and he wanted to be on the next
season of Dancing with the Stars, who would you partner
him with?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
We can't be you.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh, she comes up with such good questions.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I would say Daniella. She is an absolute force to
be reckoned with. She is just a powerhouse, and I
think she is super creative. I know that she is
a good teacher, and I think that sometimes the biggest
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battle on our show is being a good teacher. You
can be an incredible dancer. Oh yeah, yeah, but you
need to know how to gameplay when ABC doesn't work.
You need to know how to come up with a
new option, and you don't need to know how to
dissect dance and teach it to somebody that has no
idea what they're doing. And she is that, So I
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would I would say Daniella Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I love that. I love it. Who would you partner
me with if I ever did it? Vow val Oh,
I can't. There we go I get helping me.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
He is the best teach, teacher, teammate, coach. He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I never say never, never say never, you know, I mean,
I mean, come up, we're ABC family. Like, I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm gonna if I can, and this is this is
a hope, if I can. With schedules and everything else,
I am dying to get there for one of the
last She wants.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
To see it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I know I really wanted to, and it didn't work
out timing wise because I'd just been in LA and
I couldn't like turn it around and bring them back
again this last time, this last season. But I'm I
and I told Julianne, I'm like, I'm gonna make it.
I'm gonna make it there. I'm going to be in
that ballroom. I really am.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's it's a different it's so so magical seeing the sets.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Oh, it's gorgeous, and you all do an incredible job
also on your socials, Like I love getting the peak
behind the you know, behind the curtain. Do you have
any like pre show things that you do, like charity superstitions.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Do you have like any of that kind of question?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yes, I do. I this is so weird, but I
always have to put my right shoe, my right ballroom
shoe on before my left. It's just like the thing
that I've heard the show and like even when the
dressers are doing a quick change with me, I'm like, no,
it has to be the right shoe first. So that's
something that's just a weird one. But for me, I
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love to stay in my zone. So as much as
I love to cheer on other people and like watch,
I know that it's not going to be good for
my focus. So I kind of venture off with my
partner and I want us to like stay in the zone.
So we always do a warm up together. I'm really
big about planks. I think that they're so good to do.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Oh my gosh's my worst nightmare. My mother can do
a five minute plank. Wow, hurt me?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That's amazing. Well, yeah, I usually try to do like
a two to three minute plank with my partner. So
we'll do that, we'll go through the dance a little bit,
and then as soon as we're going like back backstage,
say we're next up. I always take a second by
myself to like call my breathing, I say a prayer
and then positive affirmations. I read this thing that nerves
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either can be negative or positive, just in whatever you
tell yourself. So instead of being like, I'm so scared,
I'm so nervous that we're not going to do like
you know, putting it in that, I always am like,
I am so excited. I have the excited I'm so
I know that I'm prepared, I know that I've done
all of that I can and I'm just going to
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go dance now. So I think like the mindset that
you have yourself in also helps.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I think that what you just said is so powerful, for.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I feel exactly the same way your little guy is
too little to do this with.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But I have people that don't feel so.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Little anymore, and they have started entering into worlds that
can feel like scary, like I have to do something,
I have to be something that's maybe bigger or I
haven't developed the courage for yet, And I say exactly
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Because it is it feels so true. Is that is.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That that feeling you really can choose how you program
it is you're going to program as it? Are you
going to program it as excitement or will you categorize
it as fear? And and the fear kind of makes
you go back on your heels, and the and the
and the excitement gets you on your toes. And it's like,
are you more nimble? Where are you more ready for flexibility?
(33:59):
Where you more ready to receive? It's in being excited,
it's not in being scared. And I think that's incredible,
incredible nerves.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
I mean we should all have them. That's great. I
mean again, that means that you care, But it's just
really how you decipher, like am I going to take
this in the nervous route and doubt myself and question things?
And that's when you start making mistakes. I feel whenever
I'm on thinks for that always is what happens. So
I always try to put be like, oh, I'm so excited,
so scared, but very excited to go show up and
(34:32):
go do what we've been practicing. Like it's it's awesome.
So yeah, that's kind of my little ritual.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I love that and hope for the best.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yes, yeah, go out there.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Would you like to be a judge? One season? Instead
of an answer, Oh.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You know, for me, I still I would love that.
But I always have wanted to be a performer. So
I'm going to try to drag out this day as
long as as long as my body can ye and
then then I can see myself as like a judge.
(35:22):
But for me, I just I have so many goals
and dreams that I would love to do still in
this space, I would really love to do Broadway one day.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So you're like, well, I love to like You're an
incredible actress too.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
You're the whole package, so like I can see that
for you, like I would cast you in two seconds
and all of the things.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Thank you. But yeah, I still just feel like such
a performer that I don't feel that like authority of sitting.
I feel like I would have a hard time sitting. Honestly,
I would be like, oh, out there, I want to
do this.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, you'd have fomo for the dance floor.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yes, but I love giving feedback again that like teacher
inside of me. Yea, I love that. But for right now,
I just I would love to be a performer.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well, we we all love watching you perform.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
When do you start the new season?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Well, the season starts September. Usually I technically haven't been
picked up yet, none of us have. We usually don't
find out if we're back on the season until until
like end of August September. So fingers crossed.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's happens with Yeah, that's the way we're all. Yeah,
yeah with teep shows. Got a wait for that pickup too, personally.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
But yeah, that's when it starts. Is it will be
back this fall. They just announced season thirty four, So exciting,
so crazy, thirty four seasons.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's more than Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Well is also special because they're celebrating twenty years on air.
Oh what twenty year anniversary this year? So wild?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I see you adding your third Mira ball to that ledge.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I love a little manifestation.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, I see it for you. It's already done. That's
our manifesting trick. It's already been done. It's thirty yours.
You already have a third one.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
So we're excited to watch you win next season exactly,
and I will be there, Camilla, will you come with me?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Will be my day o? God you kidding?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Me and the girls, so we'll bring our daughters. Yeah,
let's bring the girls. Okay, we'll be in there.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
You should come on like a Disney night or something too.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
That's also, Oh, don't say Disney. Don't say Disney twice
to this one.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
You don't understand. Jenna, you said the imagine and Neil
Patrick Harris.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I've never seen two people more excited to be at Disneyland.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I love it. Jenna, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Will you come back on when the season starts and
you're deep in it and we can pick your brain
on how it's going.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yes, it'll be so. It'll be so fun to see
who I'm partnered with and we can chat all the way. Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Wait, I have one more question, because I think you're
very wide. I don't ask everybody this, but I think
you have some real wisdom in there. Here's my question
for you. What would you if you could talk about
time machine, go back in time? What would you tell
your seventeen year old self? What had you not learned
(38:19):
yet that you that you value so breaking now?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I think my worth and not having this having this
anxiety of having to be somebody else, to be somewhere
or to make it somewhere. And I actually shortly after
I was seventeen joined the show, and when I did,
(38:43):
I was just constantly trying to be somebody else because
I looked up to them. They were all pros. I
was on troop. So yeah, I think that until I
learned to really value all that I had to give,
that's when I started to really make a difference and
make an impact, and that's when I really started to shine.
(39:05):
So I think that if I were to go back
to my seventeen year old self, I would just tell
her to trust herself and to not forget why she's special.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah. I love that you just said, like, not forget
that she's special, because I think that as women, we
do this thing where we sort of like we can
say that we're great, but like then we'd sort of, like,
you know, want to underplay it.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
There's a lot of pressure that we have, I think
as women obviously and in the society right now. Like
for me, comparison is the thief of joy.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
It just is are you in my head?
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I've always that's been one of my favorite quotes, and
I just I really think it's so true. And when
we live in a world where we're just constantly scrolling
and seeing how gorgeous and how amazing and how yeah
you neque these other women are instead of being like oh,
tearing ourselves down because of it, we can celebrate that
first of all, others accomplishments, others beauty, but we cannot
(40:04):
forget in the gate why we are so magnificent and
special and beautiful that we have to offer so.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Oh my god, what a way to end. I love that. Oh,
I love it so much.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I know and I think that it's also it's like
it's the acknowledging of the human feeling, like the neurobiological
need to envy or cove it or be jealous or
think like I want that other thing. Like that's normal.
You're not doing anything wrong. You're not a bad person
for that while you're scrolling. It's then what you do
(40:38):
with the thought, like do you then make it a
negative have it? Let it have a negative impact on yourself,
like I'm not enough. Do you let it make a
negative impact on someone else by tearing them down? Or
do you just see the thought, see the judgment, see
the whatever it is that monkey mind's in your head
and then go like yeah, okay, thank you for your service,
and like no, thank you I think that person's gorgeous
(40:58):
or right, that she so hard or she has that
natural shine. I don't know, but it's like it's it's
really human to have all those feelings. And I think
that you know what you just said is true.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It's what you do with.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Them, completely agree.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Thank you so much for coming on, so much for
coming and call it what.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It is. So nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It will be the first of many, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yes, okay, so come back and talk to us when
the season starts and when you're on your journey to
winning again.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
We'll see you in the audience to go all right,
thank you bye. I feel like I just want to
be friends with her.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I know I need you guys to never meet because
I think you could be best friends.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And that's not going to work for me. I'm not
down with a third. But I will sit in the
audience with you.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You said Disney Night, and I'm like, already there, my
Mickey mouse or are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, you make you where the ears all wear the hands.
We'll sit in the front row. I'm going to be there.
You're going to be there, and it's going to be
magical and special. I can't wait until they announced the contestants.
And we will be sitting front row for ABC's thirty
fourth season of Dancing with the Stars and they will
be celebrating their twentieth year on air.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
God, I hope it's Jason Kelce. When she's said that name,
I was like, oh my, she said football star.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Well she's a football star, but could have been anyone.
But when she said Jason Kelce, I was like beyond yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
And I was I tried to say, but I didn't
get it out. I was at the ABC upfronts and
I actually saw Bruno in person and Alfonso and I
had to like not nerd out.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
And go up to them.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
And then I saw Jason Kelce from across the room
because it was also ESPN we were doing their upfronts
and he was there.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
There were so many athletes. How tall is he?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't know, because he was he was far across
the room. I couldn't tell from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But make a bee line else b line.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
No, it was wonderful to be with her, and I'm
super excited for the new the new season.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, she's super talented.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
I I really did love her being like I'm special
because I think that as women, we learned to like
not say those adjectives about ourselves and describe ourselves that way.
And I'm like, yes you are, Yeah, you should be
saying that about yourself.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I know the whole thing. They're just like family over yea.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
All right, Okay, well let's call it the end of
the episode.
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