October 1, 2025 • 52 mins
The conversation continues, and this time Kim shares a little kiss and tell! From her on-screen smooch with Sophia Bush, to directing their love scene, Kim shares the juicy details between Teddy and Cass.
Plus, what she really thinks about her character's 'I Choose Me' moment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Lettington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It Crew, and welcome to
another episode of Call It What It Is, Part two
of our special guest Kim River. Okay, we have a
ton of fan questions that we haven't even gotten to yet,
because we let the Call It crew know that you
were coming, and they have all.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
They've got questions. Yeah, they got questions rapid fire.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Baby, Okay, you're not gonna already answer this, And I
know because I'm part of the show. I just want
to know who survives.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Lol.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But that's obviously a spoiler. It was a great finale.
My jaw dropped. Were you worried Kim at the end?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Oh, you're I'm always I'm always yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We can't talk about this, to be honest, we can't
talk about it. I will say Meg does such an
incredible job. Well that was that was good.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was kind of suck with that. I was way
too I was like I was a little bit turned
on all. I was like.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Of organically making all of us, meaning the fans and
the audience terrified to see what is going to happen
and yeah, the premiere and again twenty two seasons, and
I was blown away by it when we were reading it,
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I was like, wow, so that's all I'll say.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, so this is what they said. They opened their
marriage to be with other people. Teddy nowen Owen slept
with someone she didn't. Teddy chooses herself in the finale
and breaks up with Owen. What is a head for
Teddy's care or after her I choose me moment? Did
you love that moment for her?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh? I loved that monogue. I loved it so much.
I loved it in the table read, I thought it
was I mean, it's so well written, it's so also
as women, I just I think it was such a
great thing to put out there for this character in particular,
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I feel like, well, first of all, what I was
gonna say is for women that that as a woman,
Teddy in this relationship is saying I choose me, And
I'll kind of go around with that. I think Teddy
is a type of person who's been through so much
trauma that she has really, you know, continuously always done
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things for other people all the time at her own expense.
And I think for her in that moment to say
I choose me as a pivotal game changer moment, and
I I just love it also for women and for
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the fans out there to see that you can, you know,
it's interesting. It's like we're we're told a lot in
just I feel like the stratosphere, right, like you know,
I don't know, there's just so there's so much noise,
and there's a lot to navigate as women, and so
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to be able in a vulnerable moment and in a solid,
clear moment to be able to say I choose me,
I just feel like it's such a it's such a
beautiful thing and not there's it's not retaliation, it's not anger.
It's such a simple thing of I need to go,
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Like I felt like in that moment, Teddy was saying,
I need to go get my together and I need
to put myself first to do that. And I don't
know what that is. I am literally jumping off a
cliff in free fall, but I'm trusting myself enough that
like I got me.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I love this so much. I can see I'm picturing tattoos,
Kim talking about getting a.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Tattoo, but maybe I will make I choose me tattoo. I.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I loved that in the table read you were set
next to me when you did that monologue and I
and you were so emotional doing it and made me
everyone around us so emotional. And I remember us having
the discussion of like what does that mean to her?
Like right after, And I think fans will be just
really excited for her for the storyline and to see
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what that means to her and her kind of like
figuring out what it means to her as the season
goes on. I love that you said it's almost like
you and free Fall, that you don't even know necessarily
what that looks like. I just think that's so really.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think those pivotal moments where you where you have
to gather courage that almost feels otherworldly, Yes, right, because
I mean when we were talking to Mel Robbins, it's
like the reason why five four three two one works
is because you're like you got to have a countdown
to that because it's not it doesn't feel natural, Like
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choosing you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
In the weirdest way doesn't feel natural. It feels like
you should.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Like we were talking sort of like selflessness, like we're
supposed to we're supposed to. That's actually not what our
natural state. Our natural state is is being of service.
And by way, all these things can be true right
at the same time, but being of service or whatever,
but we don't actually live in a natural state of
being in service to ourselves. And so God, I mean,
the courage to say that out loud and not not
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be wary or or worried about judgment.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And also did not know like that to me is
so interesting. It's we we like to make or I
like to make choices when I know what that outcome
is going to be. Right, So for Teddy to be
able to make this choice in the complete unknown. Yeah,
and when he has been her person, he has, you know,
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and he and he might still be we don't know.
That's also what's so great. But the free fall without knowing.
And I think I think that that journey is and
to sort of answer one of those questions, that's I think,
what is going to be really fun about Teddy's journey forward?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh, it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
We got a lot of questions about Sophia Bush.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We had her on the show too. Is she had
the best things to say about you?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
She did? She did? Yes, people are curious if you
hang out in real life, because they saw pictures of
you recently together. I think it's the night before party.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's so much fun. That was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did you feel instant chemistry with her? Yes, so it
was she said the same thing by the way, oh
she did.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, otherwise I'd be like, wow, she's like she didn't zero.
I adore her. I am blown away by her. I
just think she's so smart, she's she's such a she
came in. You know, it is hard to come on
to our show. It is such a tight group, and
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it is a train, a fast moving train. I mean
we are just like, you know, shooting and it's not
you know, like a new show that's sort of finding
its legs, and you know, we we move fast. And
she just she stepped on that bullet train man and
just flew. And what's so incredible is I had a
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big load to carry because I'm also I was directing
that episode where we all also had a huge love
scene where you know, and she is such a collaborator too,
Like I just felt she was so supportive in because
I was very specific on what my vision was for that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I want to know more about that directing yourself in
a love scene with also someone that is a new
love interest, right right, yeah, how what how do you
do it?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was you giving yourself notes like have more passion.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I literally was watching the dailies and there's a moment
I had the overhead camera and we're.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Like kissing and making it and I went, hang, hang on,
hold on one second. She was like, what's happened. We
were like mid kiss and I was like, you know what,
I just had a thought and this was like no
direct yes, no, yes, yes, but it was so and
she was like, I got it. I mean yes, it was.
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It was so hilarious and it was a needed note
like it was almost but I wasn't watching myself. That
is what is It's funny because in an interview I
said it was like an out of body experience, but
it wasn't an out of body experience, meaning in the
sense that I was completely in my body. I was
completely in my body as Teddy, but I felt so
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comfortable and so relaxed that I also was able to
have this overhead director view. But then like drop back,
it was it was an incredible experience and also maybe
because maybe this is the type A right, like I
had so much control because I was right, Like I
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felt so safe. Now listen, we had an intimacy coordinator,
everything was mapped out, it was all choreographed. But what
was so like amazing also is I for me the
directing thing, what is is just blowing my mind is
that like I can read the script, I can imagine
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what I see. And you know, when we come in
as actors and a director, they'll they'll sort of, you know,
stand here, do this. But for me, the first time
I sat at the monitor and what I had imagined
in my head, I saw it unfolding the way I
had imagined. It was such a It was just magical
for me. And so the same so she she just
(10:34):
working with her is really there's such a trust and
a freedom And it's interesting because I have a similar
trust and freedom with Kevin. Yeah, and to be able
to have that just means that you can do your
homework and then you can come and just play ball.
And that also is you know, if you're guesting on
another show, you know you're coming into someone else's show,
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and I, uh, that is that that's just a different game.
So to be able to kind of be relaxed and
feel like comfortable. And I just I just love her.
I just think she's an amazing collaborator. She has so
much experience, she's so smart, she's she's and she's she's
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a neighbor.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
We we you know.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
So it's I know people don't know this.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
They literally are neighbors in real life.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
You gave me honey for Christmas and last year, and
it's the bees that are like in our neighborhood. It's
really I just I love that. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I have to say that. I so we Obviously I
read the script and then I wasn't there when you
guys were shooting any of your stuff together last season,
And then I watched. I caught the episode and I
was like, oh shit, they have a lot of chemistry.
And I was like, oh and watch out. I would
be worried if I was Owen. We'll have to see though.
(11:54):
I can't say anymore. But last season I was watching
and I was I was very nervous. Are you directing
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more episodes this season?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I am coming up. I I'm really excited about you know, I.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Would have loved to have been there for you to direct.
I never got to be there with you as a director.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
She's amazing, are amazing, though, Oh you're so sweet. I
love I mean, I do love it when actors direct.
I think it's like this really incredible experience because you
just have that like language. But you are very special.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I feel so lucky, I mean again, to be able
to direct the actors on our show. Everyone is so talented.
And I'm not just saying.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They really are.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
One really is so talented. There's a you know, I
was talking about with someone. You know, there is technique
to all of the stuff that we have to do,
and then to be able to live and I look,
I know that that's our job, and the fans are
probably like, well, yeah, it's your job. But to be
able to kind of within the technique to after all
these years to sort of really you know, live and
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breathe in that and I and everyone is so generous
to you know. I love coming up and sort of saying, hey,
take if you want this note, great here it is
and I and I I feel the excitement from cast
members to be like, yeah, okay, let's try that or
yeah you know so that that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
And has it changed the way that you interact with
a director, yes, as an actor, because now even on
the other side, right, and you know when they're coming
out with a note and okay, how so I'm so interested.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
That's interesting. I don't know how to put it into words. Yeah,
I don't know how to put it into words. It's
more of just, uh, there is directing. Look, I always
understood that there's so many parts to it, but it
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is such a multi functional, dimensional multitasking. But on talk
about like boat train, because again, TV is so fast,
you have to make these split like decisions, like really fast,
even though everything is set up and everything is prepared,
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and and you have to know when to like, you know,
guard your the babies that you're like, I have to shoot.
I mean, for example, there was one I mean it's
not answering your question, but okay, I'm in. There was
this one shot of Shonda Chondra that I absolutely it
was like she was I absolutely knew. I just it was.
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It was two seasons ago and she's on the balcony
and the sun is setting, And for me, it's kind
of an homage to a lot of times in the
early episodes you see men standing on and I really wanted.
Chandra Wilson I felt. I feel like I just thought
it was really important for many reasons, and we were
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on location and it just kind of kept coming down to,
you know, I don't think we're gonna be able to
do this. This is not going to happen. And I just,
I mean, bless our producers because I just kept pushing
them to the limit. I mean it was from I
think it was like three twenty and I had to
kind of give up the set and they're like, Kim,
(15:39):
we're really sorry, but we're not going to be able
to do this. They're like the sun sets I think
he said like four fifteen, and I said, oh no, no,
the sun sets at four thirty six. He goes four
thirty six. I said, yeah, four thirty six. He said, well,
I already sent Kate Walsh and I.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Literally Julie the writer comes out of like the mist
of like all of these like team stirs right because
we're a huge crew, and she's like, I think we.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Can get this shot. And I was like, yes, I
think we could get this shot. And literally the producer
takes the walkie talk and he goes turn Kate Walsh's
van around.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Now the entire crew like lifted up these huge lights
and everyone is like running up the.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Stairs and our dpe sean amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
She was like get that light there, throw this thing there.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Like I mean ever, the entire crew like came together,
and I mean I was changing my shoots and putting
I swear I think I was like putting on Teddy's
dress because I was in the scene too, Like as
we were running up the stairs and we got that shot,
and that shot they used it like in all of
like the publicity, and it just it It was for
me something that was so important. Then as another you.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Know, we're the fight. You thought, you have to know.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
When you can't get it right, when it's too expensive
and it's not going to work, when you know when
you can't. And so I think for that moment, for example,
as as an actor, and that you see a director,
you know running up the stairs, you know, carrying a
crew person because you want such instead of you know,
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like there's no lollygagging there, like will I will sprint
up those stairs now for a director because I understand.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yes, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Where is not to say that I was like going
back to my dr No, But you understand it in
a different way. You understand it in a different way.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You understand being a parent differently when you're become a parent.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Right, Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
A question because I just think that somebody that I
don't know if this is on the list of things,
but I think it's just also because I was there
for it.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I'm kind of zigging. I'm not zagging.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I'm just gonna you came for Christina Yang's character, but
you were brought by Owen Hunt. How has your relationship
with Kevin Slash Owen Hunt. That's been a long journey, Like,
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what is your relationship with him? Like in real life?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
We want to know this, They want to know if
you guys are close in real life we are.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I mean we've spent so many hours and so many
days and so many years and so many you know,
family thing like I mean the amount of you know,
four thirty ams and my kid has the flu and
hasn't slept through the night, and I'm I don't I've
got a I don't know my dialogue like I got you,
(18:38):
Like the amount of I got yous, even not even
spoken I got you has just been It's really just
such a blessing. I mean, and he's such a good actor,
and he's so I mean, he has directed so many
episodes and anybody so yeah, more than Chandra, Oh yeah, more.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Than Chandra, more than Rob Korn, Like the most episodes
of anybody.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
An he's so any person, yes, any person.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Any you thought we were talking about actress. No, I'm
talking about any director ever of great.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I remember when he directed his very first episode.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I don't remember which one that was. I think
it was before me and so great.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean, you know I would when I knew I
wanted to start doing it. I mean I could talk
three hours about Debbie Allen, how unbelievably gracious and incredible
and what a mentor and I mean just and and
also I'll just talk briefly because I know that you
guys have to, but like I mean, the also the
(19:47):
incredible thing about mentorship and about Debbie Allen is you know,
when when women finally get the opportunity to do something
that they've been clamoring to do, to have the craft
down thanks to Debbie is uh is a huge thing
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because I think I do think that not on I
just think outside in the world in this business we
are judged more when we finally do get that opportunity
because there's been less opportunity for us to do it.
And uh. And so Debbie took the time and the
(20:31):
effort and the clarity and the knowledge. Uh and she
is so generous in imparting that and making sure you
know you don't just get an episode on Grace. It
is a long process. And it's only until.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
When you speak to that a little bit, because we've
never actually talked about that on the show.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's just you're shadowing. You're shadowing, you are you are,
and and shadowing means you are not to be getting
in the way, you are not to be sort of seen.
You are there to observe. And I felt like I
was doing like a UCLA film course to eat because
it's so extensive and so incredible, and you're looking at
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things in a very different way than Yes, I've been
watching it over the x amount of years that I've
been doing this from the sidelines as an actor. But
to really be shadowing Debbie Allen is a true gift.
It's a it's a class. So that so that when
you when I was given that opportunity, I felt really
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prepared because how did that work?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Because I'm curious is did you go to do you
go to the producers and say I'm interested in directing
and then they say amazing, because obviously who wouldn't want
you to? And here's what, here's the class. Here are
the classes you have to take if you will. Like,
this is how long this semi episodes?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
We need you to shadow? This is like, how does
that work?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I think it works different for each individual. You know
I had put together you had already directed. Yeah, I
had already directed. I had put together several books and
sold them and produced and got them made them as films.
One was The Lissa Milano and that was amazing, And
so I had already had it a little bit, a
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little bit, but not to the extent of shadow. And
I think, so, what's the what's the protocol, what's the procedure? Again,
I think it's different for every person. For me, I
started talking about it with Debbie, and for me it's
it's it's really about this beauty of getting to expand
as a creative and and and to be able to
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take what I have as an actor, uh, and be
able to kind of kind of blow that up and
out and and more, and I just find it so exciting.
So I started talking about that with her, and I
had to I had to sort of keep on trying
to find a spot to shadow, because there's even you
even have to wait your turn to shadow. There are
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many people who want to shadow for great reasons. And
so it's you again, just because you're on the show
doesn't mean it's automatic.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
They wouldn't let me direct.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You don't know that. Yeah, you don't know that.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I say, no, I'm saying, I'm saying it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh, you actually asked and they said.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Get out of here, yea bye?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Turn around? No, no, no, I.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Did not ask, but I no, I was just saying
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, that was not something that I didn't ask.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Oh, but I see that's really I didn't ask, right,
that's an But that sentence is really important, I think,
because I think that's for me at least. I feel
like me and my female friends we are learning to ask. Yeah.
But I took to kind of find what is it
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that I want to do? Do I want to do that?
How do I want to do that? And and being
able to voice that we want to be bigger and
expand and do more and uh, and I know you Capsha,
you you put it. You are someone who puts in
the work, you know, both of you. So it's it's
it's about what is it that I want and what
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is the work that I have to do? Two A
to get brave enough to do the ask and then
to follow through in that. And but that's also for
me with women that I'm really trying to just be
a sounding board and because I see with other friends
of mine that my sister too, you know this incredible
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and and and Debbie Allen, I mean like, look like
look at how she all the incredible things she does,
you know, and and we have kids right like, and
she has good So it's sometimes you think, oh, I
want to I want to ask, but then I've got
the kid, like and there's all of the reasons why
we can't, and they're all very valid. But in the
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moment when you when one feels or when I felt
ready to do it my kids were older, that's not
like another thing. But but I love that sentence of
I didn't ask. Well, then I have to think about, Okay,
why am I not asking? Do I really want to
do it?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I really want to do it? And sort of
what like and then sounding it with my female friends
of of of how how I want to build out
this chapter in my life as my kids are getting
older kind of thing and making those and making those
asks because what's what's the worst?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Well, yeah, because you're likely to one hundred percent and
not get answers for questions you don't ask right.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Right, or you might get an answer that you don't
want to hear a no, right. And I feel like
a no in this business has been I mean, my
big thing that I keep telling my kids. They hear
it all the time. It's I'm like, okay, well if
you hear a note, so how are you going to
turn that no into a yes? If it's something that
you really want? Now, that's not like no, you can't
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have that for dinner, that's not what I'm talking about, right,
And then having a whole conversation with them about you
know what that is? It's our whole business ninety nine
point nine percent of the time is rejection. Yes, So
it's how do we how do we mental health protect ourselves?
How do we And that's why I love sports because
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I think that sports it's a it's a constant or
constantly up against something blocking you, and how do you
how do you prepare yourself, how do you train yourself?
How do you how do you then turn that know
or that block into a yes if you really want
it well?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And I think there's many different professions where this happens,
but I think there's something beautiful about how quickly it happens,
so you don't have to think it's like you win
fast and you lose fast, you know, in sports and
auditions usually and sometimes in business, you know, like it's
actually it's very helpful to me to have it happen
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quickly because then you are actually really asked to recover,
which of course builds that muscle, which is the resilience,
which is where you find out if you have the
grit right, like how much can how many no's can
I hear? How many and how many nos can I
turn into yeses? And also like how many times does
the no actually remind me that I didn't really want it?
(27:26):
Or how you have to really want something very badly
to want to turn the no into a yes?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I know, and I actually I think I think I
think also for directing. I also think that in my family,
I feel like other people occupy that space.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I hear that, and I understand, But that's a bit,
that's a that's a big one, right, that's a big
who are we following? You know? Who do we feel
that we're following?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Just you almost feel like you can't, like you can't
do it because of that, like almost like, well, your
dad is your dad? He's like, you know, yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I Actually I say this to my kids all the
time because they're too I mean, they're not yet at
the age where they would actually make a decision in
a direction of a career, right, but they talk about that.
Because one of them asked, I think it was Josie
and she's only nine, so she was like, what's a
Neippo baby?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
That's really funny.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
She really didn't know, and so she was like, what's
a nepo baby?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And I was trying to explain it, and both of
you know how careful I am with my words with
my children and then my mind fulness around it and.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
All that, And I was like, hmm, And we ended up.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Getting I don't know exactly what words I use, but
we ended up getting to the part that I really
believe in, which really made me feel bad a lot
in the beginning of my career where people would be like, well,
you come from this, or you had all this, or
you have access to this, or you could do anything
you want or whatever whatever someone was imagining about me,
(28:56):
and then my lived experience of being like, ugh, and
no one's doing it, Like you can't do this thing
for someone like they have. You have to do it yourself.
Even if you have access, you still have to do
it yourself, right, And so we got to the part
that was like, it makes a lot of sense to
me that people do what their parents do. You know,
(29:18):
it actually makes sense to me that you have a
role model that's doing something and you see a path
forged or you see the way something's done, or that
you are inspired by it or you think it's great
or whatever it is. So, you know, when I look
at the storytellers in my family, I think it's not
that I don't want to direct, because I think it's
more like, I've seen it done so beautifully. I know
(29:41):
exactly what. I've had a front row seat to watching
what goes into it. And it's actually not the pull
I feel to stories. It's not the vantage point that
I feel in story. I want to be a part
of a different aspect of the story.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, so I talk too much.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I would pull those those actors aside and be like, okay,
so let me tell you, and to the TV would
be like, we.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Gotta go, Capsure, you gotta go. I wouldn't have got
the shot you got. You didn't make your day.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
You shut up, stop banging on to go to what
you just said. I mean, I still yes, and I
still feel like the voice that you have is very
different than the path that you feel that you would
(30:32):
have to follow in. Right, I understand everything that you're saying,
and that makes total sense. And and that's that's a
that's a big, a big one to carry, right. But
it also goes to did you guys feel like in
the beginning of your career before you were working it's
that thing of of finding your like your voice or
(30:54):
who you were or how do you get noticed or
like in those auditions And and and I think that
that's you realize like, oh, I have to I have
to tell my like, my voice, my vision, my which
is hard when you're starting out. You know, my eldest
is a a painter, and you know, find his finding
his voice, his creative voice, and so I think what
(31:21):
I guess, what I'm trying to say is your vision
voice like I want, has a different you know what
I mean, right, and and whether you I mean, if
you don't, if that's not the kind of medium that
you want to do, that's a totally different thing. But
if you're, if we're ready for Capshaw exactly, we support it.
(31:43):
We support want to hear it and see.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I love thank you, ladies, I feel supported.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Can I just make this about me for a second.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yes, please please.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I really hate it when Kim was shadowing.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Because because funny, when I.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
See Kim Rayver on set, I always have a lot
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I always want to talk, and we.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Just wasn't for business.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
She was not shudder. I would come up to her.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You would see her, right, I would see her shadow to.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Be I'm trying to I'm trying shadows like hiding behind
like this, and I see her from the distance coming
you tell the story.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
It was so annoying. I was like, I have things
to tell you, That's why I come up like I can't. Oh, okay,
so last, and she'd be like this. She wouldn't even
speak in a regular voice. She'd be like that, I'm
not nobody can no, but kimp it was really like
a toddler, you know when they talk about toddlers, like
trying to get into the bathroom when you're in the bathroom,
like holding.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Onto your leg.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yes, I gotta tell you it was.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I hate it. It's the most annoying because I want
to talk to her and she want to talk to me.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I would do one of those things where you like
where you kind of like your eyes get wide and
you shake your head and.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm not but I like yues
because I had very I had very very professional.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, also I feel like when the three of us
get together when we're not working, there's some shenanigans.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Oh yeah, shenanigan.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
We've been you know, if we harken back to Paris,
you know, there could have been like.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
So much fun.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yes, we could have.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well, because I don't know if everybody knows this, but
Kim Raver speaks French like.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
A French person. Yeah, that the right way to do it,
Like an.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
American speaking so much, shes French like she's a French person.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
So we all got to be in Paris together and
we want to.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Say something about the two of you. Mm hmm to
your crew, you're amazing fans. The way you guys compliment
and are so generous. That's not that this thing that
they do is not just for like the people that
are your guests, it is. It is really such it's
(34:03):
such an incredible thing and such an amazing lesson, uh
for women supporting women. You guys genuinely are so uh.
It's like you find these beautiful like the sparkle in
people and you you support that, and I just it's
really it's really amazing. Really, I love you.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You're easy to support though you are you're You're easy
to support.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I love, but I love But I love that you
said that, because I do think it's worth calling people
into the conversation about.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
That's how I feel about that, you know, like why
not when you see something that you admire about someone
or that.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
You even in that moment go like, wow, I couldn't
do that, or I don't think I could do that,
or I.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Really like that. You know, it's like it's so it
can be so easy to just hey, I love it, No,
I know, and it's like not saying it. On some level,
I think.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It robs you of the opportunity to connect.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, I'm gonna rapid fire some questions. Okay, people want
to know if you had a say in the open
marriage plotline.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Good question. I felt very protective of Teddy, and I
think Kevin felt very protective of Owen because our characters
have been through so much, and I'll try to make
this rapid fire. So Meg was incredible. We would actually
go because we were shooting a scene right next door
to the set of Joe's Bar, so we would go
(35:53):
and sit down and we had like a couple of
conversations in there as this storyline was evolving. Just for me,
it felt super important that it wasn't just like hah,
open marriage, like or just Teddy's going to have an
affair again. And I really wanted it to be that
Teddy had learned from her mistake of having the affair
(36:15):
and that this was a very specific both parties agreeing
to it, and after having kind of gone through therapy.
Because there are people who do have open marriages that
totally work for them, I mean not as you know,
not something that works for me. So I wanted to
be very mindful of that Teddy had actually evolved and grown,
(36:38):
because I knew that it was going to be a
very complicated storyline, and Meg was incredible about it, and
I felt really heard the concerns that Kevin and I had,
And I think that Teddy and Owen's relationship is is
a very evolved and mature relationship. And I think it's
(37:00):
really cool that on the show that we can touch
base on different types of relationships. And I thought for me,
I had I wanted to kind of justify that they
that her love was so deep for Owen that at
that point when open marriage came up, that it was
(37:23):
either they were going to break up or they had
to try something because they had been fighting for two
years at this point, and I think we needed something
really different storylines so that we weren't kind of doing
the same the fighting. So yes, the writers were incredibly
generous in hearing and kind of amalgamating what how that
(37:46):
storyline was.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
It was one of my favorite storylines lest so that's interesting.
I think it's super compelling. I've said that to you
almost every Dame d I really love it.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
You have amazing instincts too, in terms of what she
does incredible and crazy. Yeah, you really have amazing It's.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Such a sense of story and like what she can
just come up with stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I think it's really good. I think it's being told
really well, and I think I'm excited for you guys
to see what happens next season too.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
What's your next one? Rapid Fire?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
What is one song on Teddy's playlist?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Oh, that's good. I do listen to a lot of
music for sort of for her. Yeah, for prep. Okay,
I'm trying to think of what or when.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
You're shadowing and you need to Kim, I let it
go away.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I'm listening to you. You know this is not Teddy
that I just started listening to. Do you know Jesse Murph?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Is that? Oh my god, she's incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know who this is?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
She is on She's I think like twenty and her
I mean, her lyrics are you know? I it's not
something I think she's just she's incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
It's very particular song and the weekend look up for real.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Oh, I don't know. I have to look at my phone.
I just started listening to her. But she's she's incredible. Okay,
She's I don't know if it's if it's this amazing
mix and you go to Nashville, I never would have
here right now, but you are, Yeah, that's d Yay.
It's this amazing mix of like country but also she
(39:28):
has rap, and then there's also like rock. It's it's
it's oh wow, yeah, it's she's amazing her.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I want to meet her and just be like, where
do you how do you write your lyrics? Right? So good?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Okay, I love it, new new person to listen to.
I loved this question. Are there little because I don't
know the answer to this. Are there little changes and
Teddy's scrubs hair or post call hoodies or I guess
outfits on the show that the show where she's at emotionally?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Oh yeah, I mean we definitely try to remel is
our costume. She's just wardrobe designer. She's amazing, And there
are very subtle distinctions of sort of we talk about it.
I sort of say, oh, well, Teddy's feeling very vulnerable
(40:20):
at this point, so let's work with this. And when
within sort of what Teddy's look is, I'm trying to like,
so you want specifics of like what I don't know
this is fan question.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You have a follow up question for the fan I did.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
No, I'm saying, let's get a follow up question for
that fan.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
No, but there's definitely I don't know if there's no.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
But I think I think that's that's the answer. That
you're going into wardrobe fittings and you are having this
conversation about where she's at emotionally on her journey, and
then it's reflected in what you're wearing.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, because I think with scrubs not as much.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
No, of course their scrub cap really and shoes.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, which in the scrub cap has been a really
big ic point. Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
At the point out that you look good in a
scrub cap.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
That's the thank you. I know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It's a very particular thing.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
It's like an egg. No, you don't, I do, I
have a good you.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Remember when you did you like do the do my
Does the scrub cap go inside my ears or.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Inside or outside? I like my ears tucked.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I think my air.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, it's funny that you don't know off the
top of your head.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I'm they're out there crazy, very specific. I need I want.
I like it when it's square.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yep. No, I'm the same way.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
And and then sometimes they with your scrub caps, like
because they're cotton, so they wash them. I guess them,
but they have a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Would you even notice if yours was weird? I don't
if it's weird, if it's like if it's all like like,
I don't know, I would be like, it's different, it's different,
it's different.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
No, I don't know if my it's been pressed or
not for the day.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
But yes, I look like.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
An as one of our producers is. But I look
like an egg that's been so and that's like the
band aid that's been playing.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
You're so beautiful you could have a paper bag over
your no, and she comes in and you just look amazing. No, no, not, yes.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yes, Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Have you only ever had one scrub cap?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Or have you had no just one? I won't let
it go. It's the whole Alison thing. I can't Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I think fans I would like to know if I've
had more than one. I think I've had two. I
think it started with the holly hobby.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
What is the holly hobby?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It was like a patchwork quilt of pink stop.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
No, I'm not looking at it right now.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
It's really cute. And also you look so beautiful. You
have you have ears in, you have.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Ears, you have ears in.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, you're a tough.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
But then I moved into a solid pink floral.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
And I always tried to get shoes that had a
little lyft on them.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
So that's why I wore the the.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Clogs, the clogs you were you did wear the claw. Okay,
I have more questions real quick. What is one thing
you're still dying to explore for Teddy that we haven't
seen yet.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
That's a good question. I think where just this what's
happening in this free fall?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
What is what's she going to do?
Speaker 4 (43:20):
What's she going to do? It's good.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
We got to get you back home when we can
talk more about everything. All right, last question? Do you
want to pick? The last question? Do you have the
list dress?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I'm loving that, okay, okay, okay, I thought you didn't.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Okay, I mean I have it, but I'm loving that
you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Okay, okay, okay, very last question. When did Teddy know
the open marriage wasn't working?
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I mean, I think going into it, she's like oh boy,
this could blow up stuff, but we're we're not. That's
what I said before. It's either it can save us
or it were the relationship it was dying. So I
think as.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
A family, I have an opinion about this answer.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
I think it's let me and then I want to
hear it.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I want to compare.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
I mean, oh god, that's I mean. I feel like
when Teddy saw Owen, that's what I think. That moment
with she was like, oh fuck, this was a terrible
this is not saving ship, you know. But you know
what's so interesting You're talking.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
About the woman when Teddy's at the wedding and Owen's and.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
She walks in and she's like, I have good news.
I saw the pray and she sees Nora yes, and
Owen like like like the loving holding was like holding.
It was like so intimate.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It was unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
It was unnecessary. It was I'm angry for Teddy. I'm
angry for Toddy because Teddy like let me Josef.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I think, really, that wasn't the rule.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
That wasn't the rule, that wasn't the agreement. There was
no like intimacy falling in love. There was like that,
you know, like I am getting hot too.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I say it, you're dangerous.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
It's a dangeresting Listen, it can work for others.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
There's no shade being thrown on anyone who this works for, right,
But I agree, I mean I even just the Yeah,
that's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
That's a tough sell.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
It didn't. Yeah, I think that moment. Yeah, that that
was a that's a crushing moment.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Didn't you ever see that? What do you Harrelson? To
be more Robert Redford movie in decent proposal?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah, I auditioned for that, you did. I was like
close to that that, Like that would have been really.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Scary to actually have to have done.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Wait, I have to ask an actual question before you go.
What is one role that you lost out on that
you're like such a good question?
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Is a really good question. I mean, early early on,
we're early early.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'm the older.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Days. It's some goffy. I mean one of my first
big big auditions that I was super close to that
was crushing. Your fan base is not even gonna know.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
That's how we look at it was a silent movie,
this girl that was black and white.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
You guys, that's what happens on all day I'm glad
you can do it to you. You know what she
thinks she's that harrowing, but I know I'm talking about
women supporting women, not her. It was the last of
(46:56):
the movie.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
That's a massive movie.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You think people don't know what that is?
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Is trying to make up for it now, she's trying
to get what I was. I wanted to work with
Daniel da Lewis No, no idding, Yeah, yeah, that was like.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
The shot that you think that people, I mean maybe
younger generations don't yet.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
For sure, you don't.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I've never seen see they definitely have to look that
upm right on the heels, guys.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I'm right on the heels.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
How about you? How about you? Guys? What was something?
I got a lot I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I can't even I've definitely, I mean, I have roles
that I missed.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Oh are you the one that said the last thing?
But I feel like you like straight shot degrees anatomy.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
No, I wasn't straight shot. I did a lot of
like auditioning for a lot of c W stuff that
I really would have had fun. I would have had
a blast doing, but I didn't have like a last
of the mohegans.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
No, No, those are two.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Kim has two movies that were definitely I mean, yeah,
those were big ones.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Those are big ones. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Kim Well, I didn't get yes, but you're saying there,
did you get to read with him?
Speaker 4 (48:07):
No, but it was I don't.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I think I would have proved my pants. That would
be too intimidating.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
The times where I've.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Gotten be careful what you wish for, because the times
that I've gotten so close to things that I actually
had to go do the thing that was like the
thing right before getting it, when it was like reading
with the person or flying to the city, and you're
just like.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I just remembered one.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
But can you say, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
You're gonna make fun of me. You're gonna be like,
you're just dropping names.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
No, are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (48:32):
I was flown out the Tom Cruise movie, which.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
That would be exciting, mission impossible.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
No minority report.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
I'm aware.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeh see you got like no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
No no no, I was not really no way, but wow,
did you.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Test for her dad?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
I met with him. I hadn't unbelieving. I don't know
the amazing amazing. I don't know, because maybe I didn't
want to like talk about it. I just remembered it.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Gosh.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
I know, I met your dad and I met Tom
Cruise and that was.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Wow, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
But that's the type of thing where it was like
so like I mean a just your dad and like Tom,
that was the thing I was so crushing. It's like,
do I keep do I keep going in this business? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I would be in the ultimate affirmation.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
If you can end up in that room, you are
just a second away from it.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
I know. And that's where, like I talked to my
kids about grit, like enough of those rejects and you
just feel like, you know, like you're never it's never
gonna happen kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Oh, you just talked about the white lotus. That's what
you talked about, basically.
Speaker 5 (49:36):
I did.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I talked about this last season, the white loatas.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
But I also think that there I think that for
a big I mean, it sounds clever, but I say
it all the time, but it's for a big part
of my career.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I have felt like.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
There's been so many times whereas I felt like it
was between me and the girl who gets it, like
I was always the second runner up, and and to
half to experience that and then like pull yourself up
again and be like the fact that I got that
far is actually the proof that I will succeed.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
But I got to keep going and that's the hard part.
But that's incredible. I love that.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Scarlet Johansson has talked about this. She said she's made
a career and of course she's made the biggest career
out of not being the first choice. And she's often
like the third of four and and she's the one
that's ended up in the gig. And I always think
about that because there's something to be said when they're like, well,
this person said no to it, so now they're coming
to you, you know, which is.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Also really hard, right because you're like, wait, do I
want to be set and you're like, yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Scarjo's like, you do you do end up an avenger?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right, because you never
know we're gonna end up. I'm really happy that I
ended up with you two. This has been so much fun.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
I know, this has been amazing.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Kim, will you please come back on the show because
this season is bonkers, bonkers, and once we can work
break down some of this stuff, the fans are gonna
like some of them have a hundred more questions.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Thank you guys so much for thank you fine.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I know and you don't, Kim, you probably don't know,
but you know, since we do promote shows here nine
one one Nashville is.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
Now I congratulations, congratulations, no need for congratulations.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
We now are We're now reunited.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
So we are. That's so great. And Chris is so great.
It's just a great a great cast. We will lead.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
And I think that you know, I don't know, you know,
and you never know what happens in the in the
Gray's universe of the nine one one.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Universe, but you know who knows that there couldn't be
a crossover.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
We need doctor sure, that would be amazing doctors all
the time.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
I would Can you imagine that night when you're in
if you're in two episodes like that would be Has
it ever been done? I don't want to know if
that's ever been done before as two different characters.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Oh, that's so cool, that's right, it would be. How
would that happen? Would you just be like, I'm not
Arizona or you know.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Or Joe and Teddy go on a girl's weekend to
Nashville and we run into each other, you know, at
a honkey talk.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
We oh, my god, that's so good. We have been
pitching her, Joe and Teddy just so like we have
three little so much so I watched that in the
in Paris with a lot of wine, the friends Teddy
(52:28):
and Jim.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Okay, can we're gonna let you go into next time.
Let's call it jes
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Let's call it the end of the episode.
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Lettington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It Crew, and welcome to
another episode of Call It What It Is, Part two
of our special guest Kim River. Okay, we have a
ton of fan questions that we haven't even gotten to yet,
because we let the Call It crew know that you
were coming, and they have all.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
They've got questions. Yeah, they got questions rapid fire.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Baby, Okay, you're not gonna already answer this, And I
know because I'm part of the show. I just want
to know who survives.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Lol.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But that's obviously a spoiler. It was a great finale.
My jaw dropped. Were you worried Kim at the end?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Oh, you're I'm always I'm always yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We can't talk about this, to be honest, we can't
talk about it. I will say Meg does such an
incredible job. Well that was that was good.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was kind of suck with that. I was way
too I was like I was a little bit turned
on all. I was like.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Of organically making all of us, meaning the fans and
the audience terrified to see what is going to happen
and yeah, the premiere and again twenty two seasons, and
I was blown away by it when we were reading it,
(01:43):
I was like, wow, so that's all I'll say.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, so this is what they said. They opened their
marriage to be with other people. Teddy nowen Owen slept
with someone she didn't. Teddy chooses herself in the finale
and breaks up with Owen. What is a head for
Teddy's care or after her I choose me moment? Did
you love that moment for her?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh? I loved that monogue. I loved it so much.
I loved it in the table read, I thought it
was I mean, it's so well written, it's so also
as women, I just I think it was such a
great thing to put out there for this character in particular,
(02:26):
I feel like, well, first of all, what I was
gonna say is for women that that as a woman,
Teddy in this relationship is saying I choose me, And
I'll kind of go around with that. I think Teddy
is a type of person who's been through so much
trauma that she has really, you know, continuously always done
(02:49):
things for other people all the time at her own expense.
And I think for her in that moment to say
I choose me as a pivotal game changer moment, and
I I just love it also for women and for
(03:10):
the fans out there to see that you can, you know,
it's interesting. It's like we're we're told a lot in
just I feel like the stratosphere, right, like you know,
I don't know, there's just so there's so much noise,
and there's a lot to navigate as women, and so
(03:33):
to be able in a vulnerable moment and in a solid,
clear moment to be able to say I choose me,
I just feel like it's such a it's such a
beautiful thing and not there's it's not retaliation, it's not anger.
It's such a simple thing of I need to go,
(03:56):
Like I felt like in that moment, Teddy was saying,
I need to go get my together and I need
to put myself first to do that. And I don't
know what that is. I am literally jumping off a
cliff in free fall, but I'm trusting myself enough that
like I got me.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I love this so much. I can see I'm picturing tattoos,
Kim talking about getting a.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Tattoo, but maybe I will make I choose me tattoo. I.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I loved that in the table read you were set
next to me when you did that monologue and I
and you were so emotional doing it and made me
everyone around us so emotional. And I remember us having
the discussion of like what does that mean to her?
Like right after, And I think fans will be just
really excited for her for the storyline and to see
(04:53):
what that means to her and her kind of like
figuring out what it means to her as the season
goes on. I love that you said it's almost like
you and free Fall, that you don't even know necessarily
what that looks like. I just think that's so really.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think those pivotal moments where you where you have
to gather courage that almost feels otherworldly, Yes, right, because
I mean when we were talking to Mel Robbins, it's
like the reason why five four three two one works
is because you're like you got to have a countdown
to that because it's not it doesn't feel natural, Like
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choosing you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
In the weirdest way doesn't feel natural. It feels like
you should.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Like we were talking sort of like selflessness, like we're
supposed to we're supposed to. That's actually not what our
natural state. Our natural state is is being of service.
And by way, all these things can be true right
at the same time, but being of service or whatever,
but we don't actually live in a natural state of
being in service to ourselves. And so God, I mean,
the courage to say that out loud and not not
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be wary or or worried about judgment.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And also did not know like that to me is
so interesting. It's we we like to make or I
like to make choices when I know what that outcome
is going to be. Right, So for Teddy to be
able to make this choice in the complete unknown. Yeah,
and when he has been her person, he has, you know,
(06:28):
and he and he might still be we don't know.
That's also what's so great. But the free fall without knowing.
And I think I think that that journey is and
to sort of answer one of those questions, that's I think,
what is going to be really fun about Teddy's journey forward?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh, it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
We got a lot of questions about Sophia Bush.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We had her on the show too. Is she had
the best things to say about you?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
She did? She did? Yes, people are curious if you
hang out in real life, because they saw pictures of
you recently together. I think it's the night before party.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's so much fun. That was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did you feel instant chemistry with her? Yes, so it
was she said the same thing by the way, oh
she did.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, otherwise I'd be like, wow, she's like she didn't zero.
I adore her. I am blown away by her. I
just think she's so smart, she's she's such a she
came in. You know, it is hard to come on
to our show. It is such a tight group, and
(07:36):
it is a train, a fast moving train. I mean
we are just like, you know, shooting and it's not
you know, like a new show that's sort of finding
its legs, and you know, we we move fast. And
she just she stepped on that bullet train man and
just flew. And what's so incredible is I had a
(07:56):
big load to carry because I'm also I was directing
that episode where we all also had a huge love
scene where you know, and she is such a collaborator too,
Like I just felt she was so supportive in because
I was very specific on what my vision was for that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I want to know more about that directing yourself in
a love scene with also someone that is a new
love interest, right right, yeah, how what how do you
do it?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was you giving yourself notes like have more passion.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I literally was watching the dailies and there's a moment
I had the overhead camera and we're.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Like kissing and making it and I went, hang, hang on,
hold on one second. She was like, what's happened. We
were like mid kiss and I was like, you know what,
I just had a thought and this was like no
direct yes, no, yes, yes, but it was so and
she was like, I got it. I mean yes, it was.
(09:03):
It was so hilarious and it was a needed note
like it was almost but I wasn't watching myself. That
is what is It's funny because in an interview I
said it was like an out of body experience, but
it wasn't an out of body experience, meaning in the
sense that I was completely in my body. I was
completely in my body as Teddy, but I felt so
(09:24):
comfortable and so relaxed that I also was able to
have this overhead director view. But then like drop back,
it was it was an incredible experience and also maybe
because maybe this is the type A right, like I
had so much control because I was right, Like I
(09:48):
felt so safe. Now listen, we had an intimacy coordinator,
everything was mapped out, it was all choreographed. But what
was so like amazing also is I for me the
directing thing, what is is just blowing my mind is
that like I can read the script, I can imagine
(10:13):
what I see. And you know, when we come in
as actors and a director, they'll they'll sort of, you know,
stand here, do this. But for me, the first time
I sat at the monitor and what I had imagined
in my head, I saw it unfolding the way I
had imagined. It was such a It was just magical
for me. And so the same so she she just
(10:34):
working with her is really there's such a trust and
a freedom And it's interesting because I have a similar
trust and freedom with Kevin. Yeah, and to be able
to have that just means that you can do your
homework and then you can come and just play ball.
And that also is you know, if you're guesting on
another show, you know you're coming into someone else's show,
(10:57):
and I, uh, that is that that's just a different game.
So to be able to kind of be relaxed and
feel like comfortable. And I just I just love her.
I just think she's an amazing collaborator. She has so
much experience, she's so smart, she's she's and she's she's
(11:19):
a neighbor.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
We we you know.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
So it's I know people don't know this.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
They literally are neighbors in real life.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
You gave me honey for Christmas and last year, and
it's the bees that are like in our neighborhood. It's
really I just I love that. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I have to say that. I so we Obviously I
read the script and then I wasn't there when you
guys were shooting any of your stuff together last season,
And then I watched. I caught the episode and I
was like, oh shit, they have a lot of chemistry.
And I was like, oh and watch out. I would
be worried if I was Owen. We'll have to see though.
(11:54):
I can't say anymore. But last season I was watching
and I was I was very nervous. Are you directing
(12:15):
more episodes this season?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I am coming up. I I'm really excited about you know, I.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Would have loved to have been there for you to direct.
I never got to be there with you as a director.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
She's amazing, are amazing, though, Oh you're so sweet. I
love I mean, I do love it when actors direct.
I think it's like this really incredible experience because you
just have that like language. But you are very special.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I feel so lucky, I mean again, to be able
to direct the actors on our show. Everyone is so talented.
And I'm not just saying.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They really are.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
One really is so talented. There's a you know, I
was talking about with someone. You know, there is technique
to all of the stuff that we have to do,
and then to be able to live and I look,
I know that that's our job, and the fans are
probably like, well, yeah, it's your job. But to be
able to kind of within the technique to after all
these years to sort of really you know, live and
(13:13):
breathe in that and I and everyone is so generous
to you know. I love coming up and sort of saying, hey,
take if you want this note, great here it is
and I and I I feel the excitement from cast
members to be like, yeah, okay, let's try that or
yeah you know so that that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
And has it changed the way that you interact with
a director, yes, as an actor, because now even on
the other side, right, and you know when they're coming
out with a note and okay, how so I'm so interested.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
That's interesting. I don't know how to put it into words. Yeah,
I don't know how to put it into words. It's
more of just, uh, there is directing. Look, I always
understood that there's so many parts to it, but it
(14:06):
is such a multi functional, dimensional multitasking. But on talk
about like boat train, because again, TV is so fast,
you have to make these split like decisions, like really fast,
even though everything is set up and everything is prepared,
(14:28):
and and you have to know when to like, you know,
guard your the babies that you're like, I have to shoot.
I mean, for example, there was one I mean it's
not answering your question, but okay, I'm in. There was
this one shot of Shonda Chondra that I absolutely it
was like she was I absolutely knew. I just it was.
(14:54):
It was two seasons ago and she's on the balcony
and the sun is setting, And for me, it's kind
of an homage to a lot of times in the
early episodes you see men standing on and I really wanted.
Chandra Wilson I felt. I feel like I just thought
it was really important for many reasons, and we were
(15:17):
on location and it just kind of kept coming down to,
you know, I don't think we're gonna be able to
do this. This is not going to happen. And I just,
I mean, bless our producers because I just kept pushing
them to the limit. I mean it was from I
think it was like three twenty and I had to
kind of give up the set and they're like, Kim,
(15:39):
we're really sorry, but we're not going to be able
to do this. They're like the sun sets I think
he said like four fifteen, and I said, oh no, no,
the sun sets at four thirty six. He goes four
thirty six. I said, yeah, four thirty six. He said, well,
I already sent Kate Walsh and I.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Literally Julie the writer comes out of like the mist
of like all of these like team stirs right because
we're a huge crew, and she's like, I think we.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Can get this shot. And I was like, yes, I
think we could get this shot. And literally the producer
takes the walkie talk and he goes turn Kate Walsh's
van around.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Now the entire crew like lifted up these huge lights
and everyone is like running up the.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Stairs and our dpe sean amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
She was like get that light there, throw this thing there.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Like I mean ever, the entire crew like came together,
and I mean I was changing my shoots and putting
I swear I think I was like putting on Teddy's
dress because I was in the scene too, Like as
we were running up the stairs and we got that shot,
and that shot they used it like in all of
like the publicity, and it just it It was for
me something that was so important. Then as another you.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Know, we're the fight. You thought, you have to know.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
When you can't get it right, when it's too expensive
and it's not going to work, when you know when
you can't. And so I think for that moment, for example,
as as an actor, and that you see a director,
you know running up the stairs, you know, carrying a
crew person because you want such instead of you know,
(17:18):
like there's no lollygagging there, like will I will sprint
up those stairs now for a director because I understand.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yes, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Where is not to say that I was like going
back to my dr No, But you understand it in
a different way. You understand it in a different way.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You understand being a parent differently when you're become a parent.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Right, Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
A question because I just think that somebody that I
don't know if this is on the list of things,
but I think it's just also because I was there
for it.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I'm kind of zigging. I'm not zagging.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I'm just gonna you came for Christina Yang's character, but
you were brought by Owen Hunt. How has your relationship
with Kevin Slash Owen Hunt. That's been a long journey, Like,
(18:08):
what is your relationship with him? Like in real life?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
We want to know this, They want to know if
you guys are close in real life we are.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I mean we've spent so many hours and so many
days and so many years and so many you know,
family thing like I mean the amount of you know,
four thirty ams and my kid has the flu and
hasn't slept through the night, and I'm I don't I've
got a I don't know my dialogue like I got you,
(18:38):
Like the amount of I got yous, even not even
spoken I got you has just been It's really just
such a blessing. I mean, and he's such a good actor,
and he's so I mean, he has directed so many
episodes and anybody so yeah, more than Chandra, Oh yeah, more.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Than Chandra, more than Rob Korn, Like the most episodes
of anybody.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
An he's so any person, yes, any person.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Any you thought we were talking about actress. No, I'm
talking about any director ever of great.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I remember when he directed his very first episode.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I don't remember which one that was. I think
it was before me and so great.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean, you know I would when I knew I
wanted to start doing it. I mean I could talk
three hours about Debbie Allen, how unbelievably gracious and incredible
and what a mentor and I mean just and and
also I'll just talk briefly because I know that you
guys have to, but like I mean, the also the
(19:47):
incredible thing about mentorship and about Debbie Allen is you know,
when when women finally get the opportunity to do something
that they've been clamoring to do, to have the craft
down thanks to Debbie is uh is a huge thing
(20:09):
because I think I do think that not on I
just think outside in the world in this business we
are judged more when we finally do get that opportunity
because there's been less opportunity for us to do it.
And uh. And so Debbie took the time and the
(20:31):
effort and the clarity and the knowledge. Uh and she
is so generous in imparting that and making sure you
know you don't just get an episode on Grace. It
is a long process. And it's only until.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
When you speak to that a little bit, because we've
never actually talked about that on the show.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's just you're shadowing. You're shadowing, you are you are,
and and shadowing means you are not to be getting
in the way, you are not to be sort of seen.
You are there to observe. And I felt like I
was doing like a UCLA film course to eat because
it's so extensive and so incredible, and you're looking at
(21:16):
things in a very different way than Yes, I've been
watching it over the x amount of years that I've
been doing this from the sidelines as an actor. But
to really be shadowing Debbie Allen is a true gift.
It's a it's a class. So that so that when
you when I was given that opportunity, I felt really
(21:39):
prepared because how did that work?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Because I'm curious is did you go to do you
go to the producers and say I'm interested in directing
and then they say amazing, because obviously who wouldn't want
you to? And here's what, here's the class. Here are
the classes you have to take if you will. Like,
this is how long this semi episodes?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
We need you to shadow? This is like, how does
that work?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I think it works different for each individual. You know
I had put together you had already directed. Yeah, I
had already directed. I had put together several books and
sold them and produced and got them made them as films.
One was The Lissa Milano and that was amazing, And
so I had already had it a little bit, a
(22:20):
little bit, but not to the extent of shadow. And
I think, so, what's the what's the protocol, what's the procedure? Again,
I think it's different for every person. For me, I
started talking about it with Debbie, and for me it's
it's it's really about this beauty of getting to expand
as a creative and and and to be able to
(22:44):
take what I have as an actor, uh, and be
able to kind of kind of blow that up and
out and and more, and I just find it so exciting.
So I started talking about that with her, and I
had to I had to sort of keep on trying
to find a spot to shadow, because there's even you
even have to wait your turn to shadow. There are
(23:06):
many people who want to shadow for great reasons. And
so it's you again, just because you're on the show
doesn't mean it's automatic.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
They wouldn't let me direct.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You don't know that. Yeah, you don't know that.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I say, no, I'm saying, I'm saying it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh, you actually asked and they said.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Get out of here, yea bye?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Turn around? No, no, no, I.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Did not ask, but I no, I was just saying
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, that was not something that I didn't ask.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Oh, but I see that's really I didn't ask, right,
that's an But that sentence is really important, I think,
because I think that's for me at least. I feel
like me and my female friends we are learning to ask. Yeah.
But I took to kind of find what is it
(24:00):
that I want to do? Do I want to do that?
How do I want to do that? And and being
able to voice that we want to be bigger and
expand and do more and uh, and I know you Capsha,
you you put it. You are someone who puts in
the work, you know, both of you. So it's it's
it's about what is it that I want and what
(24:22):
is the work that I have to do? Two A
to get brave enough to do the ask and then
to follow through in that. And but that's also for
me with women that I'm really trying to just be
a sounding board and because I see with other friends
of mine that my sister too, you know this incredible
(24:44):
and and and Debbie Allen, I mean like, look like
look at how she all the incredible things she does,
you know, and and we have kids right like, and
she has good So it's sometimes you think, oh, I
want to I want to ask, but then I've got
the kid, like and there's all of the reasons why
we can't, and they're all very valid. But in the
(25:05):
moment when you when one feels or when I felt
ready to do it my kids were older, that's not
like another thing. But but I love that sentence of
I didn't ask. Well, then I have to think about, Okay,
why am I not asking? Do I really want to
do it?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I really want to do it? And sort of
what like and then sounding it with my female friends
of of of how how I want to build out
this chapter in my life as my kids are getting
older kind of thing and making those and making those
asks because what's what's the worst?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Well, yeah, because you're likely to one hundred percent and
not get answers for questions you don't ask right.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Right, or you might get an answer that you don't
want to hear a no, right. And I feel like
a no in this business has been I mean, my
big thing that I keep telling my kids. They hear
it all the time. It's I'm like, okay, well if
you hear a note, so how are you going to
turn that no into a yes? If it's something that
you really want? Now, that's not like no, you can't
(26:06):
have that for dinner, that's not what I'm talking about, right,
And then having a whole conversation with them about you
know what that is? It's our whole business ninety nine
point nine percent of the time is rejection. Yes, So
it's how do we how do we mental health protect ourselves?
How do we And that's why I love sports because
(26:28):
I think that sports it's a it's a constant or
constantly up against something blocking you, and how do you
how do you prepare yourself, how do you train yourself?
How do you how do you then turn that know
or that block into a yes if you really want
it well?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And I think there's many different professions where this happens,
but I think there's something beautiful about how quickly it happens,
so you don't have to think it's like you win
fast and you lose fast, you know, in sports and
auditions usually and sometimes in business, you know, like it's
actually it's very helpful to me to have it happen
(27:04):
quickly because then you are actually really asked to recover,
which of course builds that muscle, which is the resilience,
which is where you find out if you have the
grit right, like how much can how many no's can
I hear? How many and how many nos can I
turn into yeses? And also like how many times does
the no actually remind me that I didn't really want it?
(27:26):
Or how you have to really want something very badly
to want to turn the no into a yes?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I know, and I actually I think I think I
think also for directing. I also think that in my family,
I feel like other people occupy that space.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I hear that, and I understand, But that's a bit,
that's a that's a big one, right, that's a big
who are we following? You know? Who do we feel
that we're following?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Just you almost feel like you can't, like you can't
do it because of that, like almost like, well, your
dad is your dad? He's like, you know, yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I Actually I say this to my kids all the
time because they're too I mean, they're not yet at
the age where they would actually make a decision in
a direction of a career, right, but they talk about that.
Because one of them asked, I think it was Josie
and she's only nine, so she was like, what's a
Neippo baby?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
That's really funny.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
She really didn't know, and so she was like, what's
a nepo baby?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And I was trying to explain it, and both of
you know how careful I am with my words with
my children and then my mind fulness around it and.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
All that, And I was like, hmm, And we ended up.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Getting I don't know exactly what words I use, but
we ended up getting to the part that I really
believe in, which really made me feel bad a lot
in the beginning of my career where people would be like, well,
you come from this, or you had all this, or
you have access to this, or you could do anything
you want or whatever whatever someone was imagining about me,
(28:56):
and then my lived experience of being like, ugh, and
no one's doing it, Like you can't do this thing
for someone like they have. You have to do it yourself.
Even if you have access, you still have to do
it yourself, right, And so we got to the part
that was like, it makes a lot of sense to
me that people do what their parents do. You know,
(29:18):
it actually makes sense to me that you have a
role model that's doing something and you see a path
forged or you see the way something's done, or that
you are inspired by it or you think it's great
or whatever it is. So, you know, when I look
at the storytellers in my family, I think it's not
that I don't want to direct, because I think it's
more like, I've seen it done so beautifully. I know
(29:41):
exactly what. I've had a front row seat to watching
what goes into it. And it's actually not the pull
I feel to stories. It's not the vantage point that
I feel in story. I want to be a part
of a different aspect of the story.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, so I talk too much.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I would pull those those actors aside and be like, okay,
so let me tell you, and to the TV would
be like, we.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Gotta go, Capsure, you gotta go. I wouldn't have got
the shot you got. You didn't make your day.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
You shut up, stop banging on to go to what
you just said. I mean, I still yes, and I
still feel like the voice that you have is very
different than the path that you feel that you would
(30:32):
have to follow in. Right, I understand everything that you're saying,
and that makes total sense. And and that's that's a
that's a big, a big one to carry, right. But
it also goes to did you guys feel like in
the beginning of your career before you were working it's
that thing of of finding your like your voice or
(30:54):
who you were or how do you get noticed or
like in those auditions And and and I think that
that's you realize like, oh, I have to I have
to tell my like, my voice, my vision, my which
is hard when you're starting out. You know, my eldest
is a a painter, and you know, find his finding
his voice, his creative voice, and so I think what
(31:21):
I guess, what I'm trying to say is your vision
voice like I want, has a different you know what
I mean, right, and and whether you I mean, if
you don't, if that's not the kind of medium that
you want to do, that's a totally different thing. But
if you're, if we're ready for Capshaw exactly, we support it.
(31:43):
We support want to hear it and see.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I love thank you, ladies, I feel supported.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Can I just make this about me for a second.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yes, please please.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I really hate it when Kim was shadowing.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Because because funny, when I.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
See Kim Rayver on set, I always have a lot
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I always want to talk, and we.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Just wasn't for business.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
She was not shudder. I would come up to her.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You would see her, right, I would see her shadow to.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Be I'm trying to I'm trying shadows like hiding behind
like this, and I see her from the distance coming
you tell the story.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
It was so annoying. I was like, I have things
to tell you, That's why I come up like I can't. Oh, okay,
so last, and she'd be like this. She wouldn't even
speak in a regular voice. She'd be like that, I'm
not nobody can no, but kimp it was really like
a toddler, you know when they talk about toddlers, like
trying to get into the bathroom when you're in the bathroom,
like holding.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Onto your leg.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yes, I gotta tell you it was.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I hate it. It's the most annoying because I want
to talk to her and she want to talk to me.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I would do one of those things where you like
where you kind of like your eyes get wide and
you shake your head and.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm not but I like yues
because I had very I had very very professional.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, also I feel like when the three of us
get together when we're not working, there's some shenanigans.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Oh yeah, shenanigan.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
We've been you know, if we harken back to Paris,
you know, there could have been like.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
So much fun.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yes, we could have.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well, because I don't know if everybody knows this, but
Kim Raver speaks French like.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
A French person. Yeah, that the right way to do it,
Like an.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
American speaking so much, shes French like she's a French person.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
So we all got to be in Paris together and
we want to.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Say something about the two of you. Mm hmm to
your crew, you're amazing fans. The way you guys compliment
and are so generous. That's not that this thing that
they do is not just for like the people that
are your guests, it is. It is really such it's
(34:03):
such an incredible thing and such an amazing lesson, uh
for women supporting women. You guys genuinely are so uh.
It's like you find these beautiful like the sparkle in
people and you you support that, and I just it's
really it's really amazing. Really, I love you.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You're easy to support though you are you're You're easy
to support.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I love, but I love But I love that you
said that, because I do think it's worth calling people
into the conversation about.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
That's how I feel about that, you know, like why
not when you see something that you admire about someone
or that.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
You even in that moment go like, wow, I couldn't
do that, or I don't think I could do that,
or I.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Really like that. You know, it's like it's so it
can be so easy to just hey, I love it, No,
I know, and it's like not saying it. On some level,
I think.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It robs you of the opportunity to connect.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, I'm gonna rapid fire some questions. Okay, people want
to know if you had a say in the open
marriage plotline.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Good question. I felt very protective of Teddy, and I
think Kevin felt very protective of Owen because our characters
have been through so much, and I'll try to make
this rapid fire. So Meg was incredible. We would actually
go because we were shooting a scene right next door
to the set of Joe's Bar, so we would go
(35:53):
and sit down and we had like a couple of
conversations in there as this storyline was evolving. Just for me,
it felt super important that it wasn't just like hah,
open marriage, like or just Teddy's going to have an
affair again. And I really wanted it to be that
Teddy had learned from her mistake of having the affair
(36:15):
and that this was a very specific both parties agreeing
to it, and after having kind of gone through therapy.
Because there are people who do have open marriages that
totally work for them, I mean not as you know,
not something that works for me. So I wanted to
be very mindful of that Teddy had actually evolved and grown,
(36:38):
because I knew that it was going to be a
very complicated storyline, and Meg was incredible about it, and
I felt really heard the concerns that Kevin and I had,
And I think that Teddy and Owen's relationship is is
a very evolved and mature relationship. And I think it's
(37:00):
really cool that on the show that we can touch
base on different types of relationships. And I thought for me,
I had I wanted to kind of justify that they
that her love was so deep for Owen that at
that point when open marriage came up, that it was
(37:23):
either they were going to break up or they had
to try something because they had been fighting for two
years at this point, and I think we needed something
really different storylines so that we weren't kind of doing
the same the fighting. So yes, the writers were incredibly
generous in hearing and kind of amalgamating what how that
(37:46):
storyline was.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
It was one of my favorite storylines lest so that's interesting.
I think it's super compelling. I've said that to you
almost every Dame d I really love it.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
You have amazing instincts too, in terms of what she
does incredible and crazy. Yeah, you really have amazing It's.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Such a sense of story and like what she can
just come up with stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I think it's really good. I think it's being told
really well, and I think I'm excited for you guys
to see what happens next season too.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
What's your next one? Rapid Fire?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
What is one song on Teddy's playlist?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Oh, that's good. I do listen to a lot of
music for sort of for her. Yeah, for prep. Okay,
I'm trying to think of what or when.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
You're shadowing and you need to Kim, I let it
go away.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I'm listening to you. You know this is not Teddy
that I just started listening to. Do you know Jesse Murph?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Is that? Oh my god, she's incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know who this is?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
She is on She's I think like twenty and her
I mean, her lyrics are you know? I it's not
something I think she's just she's incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
It's very particular song and the weekend look up for real.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Oh, I don't know. I have to look at my phone.
I just started listening to her. But she's she's incredible. Okay,
She's I don't know if it's if it's this amazing
mix and you go to Nashville, I never would have
here right now, but you are, Yeah, that's d Yay.
It's this amazing mix of like country but also she
(39:28):
has rap, and then there's also like rock. It's it's
it's oh wow, yeah, it's she's amazing her.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I want to meet her and just be like, where
do you how do you write your lyrics? Right? So good?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Okay, I love it, new new person to listen to.
I loved this question. Are there little because I don't
know the answer to this. Are there little changes and
Teddy's scrubs hair or post call hoodies or I guess
outfits on the show that the show where she's at emotionally?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Oh yeah, I mean we definitely try to remel is
our costume. She's just wardrobe designer. She's amazing, And there
are very subtle distinctions of sort of we talk about it.
I sort of say, oh, well, Teddy's feeling very vulnerable
(40:20):
at this point, so let's work with this. And when
within sort of what Teddy's look is, I'm trying to like,
so you want specifics of like what I don't know
this is fan question.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You have a follow up question for the fan I did.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
No, I'm saying, let's get a follow up question for
that fan.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
No, but there's definitely I don't know if there's no.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
But I think I think that's that's the answer. That
you're going into wardrobe fittings and you are having this
conversation about where she's at emotionally on her journey, and
then it's reflected in what you're wearing.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, because I think with scrubs not as much.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
No, of course their scrub cap really and shoes.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, which in the scrub cap has been a really
big ic point. Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
At the point out that you look good in a
scrub cap.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
That's the thank you. I know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It's a very particular thing.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
It's like an egg. No, you don't, I do, I
have a good you.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Remember when you did you like do the do my
Does the scrub cap go inside my ears or.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Inside or outside? I like my ears tucked.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I think my air.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, it's funny that you don't know off the
top of your head.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I'm they're out there crazy, very specific. I need I want.
I like it when it's square.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yep. No, I'm the same way.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
And and then sometimes they with your scrub caps, like
because they're cotton, so they wash them. I guess them,
but they have a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Would you even notice if yours was weird? I don't
if it's weird, if it's like if it's all like like,
I don't know, I would be like, it's different, it's different,
it's different.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
No, I don't know if my it's been pressed or
not for the day.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
But yes, I look like.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
An as one of our producers is. But I look
like an egg that's been so and that's like the
band aid that's been playing.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
You're so beautiful you could have a paper bag over
your no, and she comes in and you just look amazing. No, no, not, yes.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yes, Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Have you only ever had one scrub cap?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Or have you had no just one? I won't let
it go. It's the whole Alison thing. I can't Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I think fans I would like to know if I've
had more than one. I think I've had two. I
think it started with the holly hobby.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
What is the holly hobby?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It was like a patchwork quilt of pink stop.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
No, I'm not looking at it right now.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
It's really cute. And also you look so beautiful. You
have you have ears in, you have.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Ears, you have ears in.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, you're a tough.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
But then I moved into a solid pink floral.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
And I always tried to get shoes that had a
little lyft on them.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
So that's why I wore the the.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Clogs, the clogs you were you did wear the claw. Okay,
I have more questions real quick. What is one thing
you're still dying to explore for Teddy that we haven't
seen yet.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
That's a good question. I think where just this what's
happening in this free fall?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
What is what's she going to do?
Speaker 4 (43:20):
What's she going to do? It's good.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
We got to get you back home when we can
talk more about everything. All right, last question? Do you
want to pick? The last question? Do you have the
list dress?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I'm loving that, okay, okay, okay, I thought you didn't.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Okay, I mean I have it, but I'm loving that
you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Okay, okay, okay, very last question. When did Teddy know
the open marriage wasn't working?
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I mean, I think going into it, she's like oh boy,
this could blow up stuff, but we're we're not. That's
what I said before. It's either it can save us
or it were the relationship it was dying. So I
think as.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
A family, I have an opinion about this answer.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
I think it's let me and then I want to
hear it.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I want to compare.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
I mean, oh god, that's I mean. I feel like
when Teddy saw Owen, that's what I think. That moment
with she was like, oh fuck, this was a terrible
this is not saving ship, you know. But you know
what's so interesting You're talking.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
About the woman when Teddy's at the wedding and Owen's and.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
She walks in and she's like, I have good news.
I saw the pray and she sees Nora yes, and
Owen like like like the loving holding was like holding.
It was like so intimate.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It was unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
It was unnecessary. It was I'm angry for Teddy. I'm
angry for Toddy because Teddy like let me Josef.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I think, really, that wasn't the rule.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
That wasn't the rule, that wasn't the agreement. There was
no like intimacy falling in love. There was like that,
you know, like I am getting hot too.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I say it, you're dangerous.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
It's a dangeresting Listen, it can work for others.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
There's no shade being thrown on anyone who this works for, right,
But I agree, I mean I even just the Yeah,
that's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
That's a tough sell.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
It didn't. Yeah, I think that moment. Yeah, that that
was a that's a crushing moment.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Didn't you ever see that? What do you Harrelson? To
be more Robert Redford movie in decent proposal?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah, I auditioned for that, you did. I was like
close to that that, Like that would have been really.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Scary to actually have to have done.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Wait, I have to ask an actual question before you go.
What is one role that you lost out on that
you're like such a good question?
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Is a really good question. I mean, early early on,
we're early early.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'm the older.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Days. It's some goffy. I mean one of my first
big big auditions that I was super close to that
was crushing. Your fan base is not even gonna know.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
That's how we look at it was a silent movie,
this girl that was black and white.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
You guys, that's what happens on all day I'm glad
you can do it to you. You know what she
thinks she's that harrowing, but I know I'm talking about
women supporting women, not her. It was the last of
(46:56):
the movie.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
That's a massive movie.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You think people don't know what that is?
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Is trying to make up for it now, she's trying
to get what I was. I wanted to work with
Daniel da Lewis No, no idding, Yeah, yeah, that was like.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
The shot that you think that people, I mean maybe
younger generations don't yet.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
For sure, you don't.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I've never seen see they definitely have to look that
upm right on the heels, guys.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I'm right on the heels.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
How about you? How about you? Guys? What was something?
I got a lot I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I can't even I've definitely, I mean, I have roles
that I missed.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Oh are you the one that said the last thing?
But I feel like you like straight shot degrees anatomy.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
No, I wasn't straight shot. I did a lot of
like auditioning for a lot of c W stuff that
I really would have had fun. I would have had
a blast doing, but I didn't have like a last
of the mohegans.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
No, No, those are two.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Kim has two movies that were definitely I mean, yeah,
those were big ones.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Those are big ones. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Kim Well, I didn't get yes, but you're saying there,
did you get to read with him?
Speaker 4 (48:07):
No, but it was I don't.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I think I would have proved my pants. That would
be too intimidating.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
The times where I've.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Gotten be careful what you wish for, because the times
that I've gotten so close to things that I actually
had to go do the thing that was like the
thing right before getting it, when it was like reading
with the person or flying to the city, and you're
just like.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I just remembered one.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
But can you say, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
You're gonna make fun of me. You're gonna be like,
you're just dropping names.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
No, are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (48:32):
I was flown out the Tom Cruise movie, which.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
That would be exciting, mission impossible.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
No minority report.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
I'm aware.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeh see you got like no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
No no no, I was not really no way, but wow,
did you.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Test for her dad?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
I met with him. I hadn't unbelieving. I don't know
the amazing amazing. I don't know, because maybe I didn't
want to like talk about it. I just remembered it.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Gosh.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
I know, I met your dad and I met Tom
Cruise and that was.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Wow, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
But that's the type of thing where it was like
so like I mean a just your dad and like Tom,
that was the thing I was so crushing. It's like,
do I keep do I keep going in this business? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I would be in the ultimate affirmation.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
If you can end up in that room, you are
just a second away from it.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
I know. And that's where, like I talked to my
kids about grit, like enough of those rejects and you
just feel like, you know, like you're never it's never
gonna happen kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Oh, you just talked about the white lotus. That's what
you talked about, basically.
Speaker 5 (49:36):
I did.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I talked about this last season, the white loatas.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
But I also think that there I think that for
a big I mean, it sounds clever, but I say
it all the time, but it's for a big part
of my career.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I have felt like.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
There's been so many times whereas I felt like it
was between me and the girl who gets it, like
I was always the second runner up, and and to
half to experience that and then like pull yourself up
again and be like the fact that I got that
far is actually the proof that I will succeed.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
But I got to keep going and that's the hard part.
But that's incredible. I love that.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Scarlet Johansson has talked about this. She said she's made
a career and of course she's made the biggest career
out of not being the first choice. And she's often
like the third of four and and she's the one
that's ended up in the gig. And I always think
about that because there's something to be said when they're like, well,
this person said no to it, so now they're coming
to you, you know, which is.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Also really hard, right because you're like, wait, do I
want to be set and you're like, yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Scarjo's like, you do you do end up an avenger?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right, because you never
know we're gonna end up. I'm really happy that I
ended up with you two. This has been so much fun.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
I know, this has been amazing.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Kim, will you please come back on the show because
this season is bonkers, bonkers, and once we can work
break down some of this stuff, the fans are gonna
like some of them have a hundred more questions.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Thank you guys so much for thank you fine.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I know and you don't, Kim, you probably don't know,
but you know, since we do promote shows here nine
one one Nashville is.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
Now I congratulations, congratulations, no need for congratulations.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
We now are We're now reunited.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
So we are. That's so great. And Chris is so great.
It's just a great a great cast. We will lead.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
And I think that you know, I don't know, you know,
and you never know what happens in the in the
Gray's universe of the nine one one.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Universe, but you know who knows that there couldn't be
a crossover.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
We need doctor sure, that would be amazing doctors all
the time.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
I would Can you imagine that night when you're in
if you're in two episodes like that would be Has
it ever been done? I don't want to know if
that's ever been done before as two different characters.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Oh, that's so cool, that's right, it would be. How
would that happen? Would you just be like, I'm not
Arizona or you know.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Or Joe and Teddy go on a girl's weekend to
Nashville and we run into each other, you know, at
a honkey talk.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
We oh, my god, that's so good. We have been
pitching her, Joe and Teddy just so like we have
three little so much so I watched that in the
in Paris with a lot of wine, the friends Teddy
(52:28):
and Jim.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Okay, can we're gonna let you go into next time.
Let's call it jes
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Let's call it the end of the episode.
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